Anna Nicole Smith dies

[the4thpip]

http://www.southflorida.com/news/sfl-28annanicole,0,7073177.story?coll=sfe-news-headlines

This is... wow.

Has me wondering if whatever killed her son a few months back was something meant for her.

[EdContradictory]

This is the most non-shocking shocking news in the history of the world.

[kingdom2000]

the news is already having lots of fun with this. I even bothered to blog about it (cause might help hits) but really I don't see what the big deal is. She is famous for getting naked and marrying an old man for his money. Not exactly a role model. She was basically the Paris Hilton of the 90s.

[Papergirl]

Wow... Just... Wow.

Yeah, you have to wonder how the kid ended up with those drugs in his system.

~Bev

[TCJohnson]

I am shocked because I didn't think she was that old....

very sad.

[TCJohnson]

I am shocked because I didn't think she was that old....

very sad.

[ElvisGuy]

My best friend just called freaking out about this because just a few weeks ago I told him I had feeling she'd be dead within the year, and everything would be left to her daughter. Anna's son death just a while back meant everything would probably go to the daughter, who all of sudden was claimed to be THE LAWYER"S daughter, who I always had a feeling was up to something not good. I have a feeling his name is gonna come up in issues of foul play..wait and see.

[Jack Zodiac]

Jesus Christ, she wasn't even forty. She wasn't the healthiest person in the world, sure, but she wasn't a fuckin' rock star or anything. That's insane.

[Evan Waters]

Whatever the Hell happened, it's quite sad.

[Dark Galaxy]

All I'm saying is TrimSpa is in big trouble if they don't find a obvious cause of death.

[Sarah Beach]

Just earlier this week, there was a news story about 2 sisters who were suing her and the company that produces a weight-loss product that she had endorse -- since they had been unable to lose weight on the product.

It's weird.

(See Dark Galaxy's post.)

[Jack Zodiac]

Overdose on methadone and anti-depressants, someone just told me.

[Christopher Cross Is God]

Overdose on methadone and anti-depressants, someone just told me.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere her son died from the same thing.

[Dr Ray Palmer]

Yeah, this is weird. Last night, the TV was on while "Inside Edition" or one of those shows was on (no, seriously, I wasn't actually watching it -- I would admit if I was, but I was putting clothes in the washing machine upstairs and it came on when the CBS Evening News went off). So anyway, they had a "story" breaking the scandalous "news" that perhaps Anna Nicole's new husband may have given her son the drugs that killed him. And I thought, "Hmm, this could get interesting...." So wow, this is weird that today she's dead.

So does the new husband get all her money -- however much that is -- or what?

[Alex Dragon]

I'm kinda surprised at how sad I feel about her death. Sure she wasn't anyone important in the total scheme of things but I feel bad she didn't have more happiness and a stronger career because of her drug use and the bad decisions she's made over the years. At times I found her fairly annoying but I always thought her biggest problem was that she didn't sem to have anyone in her life to step in and really try to make her pull herself together. It's such a waste. She could've been much more than she ended up being.

[Zack]

What a stupid life.

[Matt Doc Martin]

The world is no poorer for the loss.

[Ian Boothby]

The world is no poorer for the loss.


That's a shitty needless thing to say. A baby lost its mother. It's a sad situation.
I've just listened to a bunch of DJs kicking her memory around on the radio before the body's even cold and y'know it doesn't hurt to take the high road for a while.

[Alex L]

My best friend just called freaking out about this because just a few weeks ago I told him I had feeling she'd be dead within the year, and everything would be left to her daughter. Anna's son death just a while back meant everything would probably go to the daughter, who all of sudden was claimed to be THE LAWYER"S daughter, who I always had a feeling was up to something not good. I have a feeling his name is gonna come up in issues of foul play..wait and see.

Let the paternity tests begin!

And the daughter is overseas right now, so there's some international-law stuff going on now, too.

[Matt Doc Martin]

That's a shitty needless thing to say. A baby lost its mother. It's a sad situation.
I've just listened to a bunch of DJs kicking her memory around on the radio before the body's even cold and y'know it doesn't hurt to take the high road for a while.

I think it is GOOD for the baby, to be honest.

Maybe now the real father will be known. Meanwhile, the kid grows up in an environment where there is hopefully not a vapid, drug-addled blonde nitwit wasting away her useless life.

She has 0 talent and less social skills.

I'd rather the kid grow up with ANYONE but her.

I stand by my comment.

[Lester C.]

Given the fact that Anna was appealing a ruling I think her case may very well be in Legal Limbo but I don't know a damn thing about Probate Law for IL much less California.

[Alex L]

I think it is GOOD for the baby, to be honest.

Maybe now the real father will be known. Meanwhile, the kid grows up in an environment where there is hopefully not a vapid, drug-addled blonde nitwit wasting away her useless life.

She has 0 talent and less social skills.

I'd rather the kid grow up with ANYONE but her.

I stand by my comment.

...unless it is the lawyer's kid, and ElvisGuy is on to something about the lawyer's kid inheriting ALL the money (which, of course, the lawyer would have access to for safe-keeping...)

[Matt Doc Martin]

...unless it is the lawyer's kid, and ElvisGuy is on to something about the lawyer's kid inheriting ALL the money (which, of course, the lawyer would have access to for safe-keeping...)

Still better than that drug-addled wanna-be Marilyn Monroe.

[Lester C.]

That's a shitty needless thing to say. A baby lost its mother. It's a sad situation.
I've just listened to a bunch of DJs kicking her memory around on the radio before the body's even cold and y'know it doesn't hurt to take the high road for a while.

I would not want anyone to go through the loss of a child. I don't have children so I won't pretend to know what its like but I can't think of anything more devastating. Still you reap what you sow and Anna wasn't well liked for reasons that are justified if not appropriate to bring up on this somber day.

[Evan Waters]

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So, you're different from the radio DJs how?

Time to add to the ignore list.

[Matt Doc Martin]

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So, you're different from the radio DJs how?

Time to add to the ignore list.

Me or Lester?

[Evan Waters]

Both. I'm sickened.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Both. I'm sickened.

I'll miss you.

Who are you?

[stealthwise]

Lester and Matt, I don't disagree with your comments, only your timing.

RIP, respectfully.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Lester and Matt, I don't disagree with your comments, only your timing.

RIP, respectfully.

Look, I don't wish death on anyone. But it should be kept in perspective.

And I want to see the baby with someone more stable.

[Crowley]

I was saying earlier today it's time to cue up "Candle in the Wind."

It's so sad that no matter how much money and fame she had... this poor woman was pretty shattered internally. I'd also bet that her son was also pretty destroyed inside as well.

On the other hand... if she willingly ODed then that's an incredibly selfish thing to do to your newborn daughter.

regardless... hopefully she's at least now in peace.

[PatrickG]

I don't think she'll be terribly missed. Did she even really have fans or just people who mocked her?

No disrespect intended. I think that makes her death even more depressing.

Everybody knew her name. Almost nobody cared and, in the end, nobody saved her.

She was somebody desparate to be somebody. She wound up with money (that didn't fix her problems). She lived her life propped up before the world with a giant "Kick Me" sign on her back. That world waited for her to die and then resumed kicking her, everybody eager to get one last shot in before they lowered the casket.

[stealthwise]

I don't think she'll be terribly missed. Did she even really have fans or just people who mocked her?

No disrespect intended. I think that makes her death even more depressing.

Everybody knew her name. Almost nobody cared and, in the end, nobody saved her.

She was somebody desparate to be somebody. She wound up with money (that didn't fix her problems). She lived her life propped up before the world with a giant "Kick Me" sign on her back. That world waited for her to die and then resumed kicking her, everybody eager to get one last shot in before they lowered the casket.

Can you write my eulogy?

[Lester C.]

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So, you're different from the radio DJs how?

Time to add to the ignore list.

I don't take pleasure or in any way profit from her death. Nor do I mock her or her family. I doubt the shock jocks can say the same.

[PatrickG]

Can you write my eulogy?

You're not the first person to ask that.

And I've written and delivered a couple that I wished I didn't have to.

The sad part is, I have pity for Anna Nicole.

A close friend of mine has often gone on at length about his loathing for pity. He, rather correctly, has pointed out what an awful, undesirable thing pity is.

So when I pity someone, I pity them for being pitiable as well.

You ever see her first husband? It seems like they had a modest existence but one that could have been a happy and promising one if they could have accepted themselves.

To paraphrase Citizen Kane, "If she wasn't famous, she actually might have been somebody important."

[Cam63]

I hope her other kid turns out OK.

[Lester C.]

I hope her other kid turns out OK.

So do I. The kid is an infant which will hopefully work in th child's favor if he is placed in a good home.

[wishlish]

She was very pretty when she first came out. Life just got in the way.

It was mighty interesting to watch MSNBC when the story broke.

[the4thpip]

Look, I don't wish death on anyone. But it should be kept in perspective.

And I want to see the baby with someone more stable.

A lot of great people came out of difficult childhoods. I don't think we should welcome death for people we perceive as unfit parents based on what we read in the tabloids and see on reality tv shows.

[Ian Boothby]

I think it is GOOD for the baby, to be honest.

Maybe now the real father will be known. Meanwhile, the kid grows up in an environment where there is hopefully not a vapid, drug-addled blonde nitwit wasting away her useless life.

She has 0 talent and less social skills.

I'd rather the kid grow up with ANYONE but her.

I stand by my comment.


And I stand by mine. It's a shitty thing to say on the day of someone's death. Unless they're a dictator or serial killer or rapist or something in that league. But this was just a person who on the surfrace seemed messed up for reasons you and I don't know. She just happened to live that life in front of the camera which means everyone gets to take their cheap shot.

It's a sad event when someone 39 dies.

[Lester C.]

According to Cnn a large amount of drugs was found in Ann's hotel room.

[Matt Doc Martin]

And I stand by mine. It's a shitty thing to say on the day of someone's death. Unless they're a dictator or serial killer or rapist or something in that league. But this was just a person who on the surfrace seemed messed up for reasons you and I don't know. She just happened to live that life in front of the camera which means everyone gets to take their cheap shot.

It's a sad event when someone 39 dies.

Yes. It IS sad.

But, the world is no poorer for her loss. Jim Henson died. That was a loss.

[the4thpip]

Yes. It IS sad.

But, the world is no poorer for her loss. Jim Henson died. That was a loss.

I like you a lot better on the Olney thread.

[Matt Doc Martin]

I like you a lot better on the Olney thread.

*sigh*

Back I go.

*packs bags*

[Reverend Smooth]

It's kinda like Steve Irwin- you may not care for these people, but they're so omnipresent in the media and they died so young that the world is weirdly different when they are no longer there.

[shrike]

According to Cnn a large amount of drugs was found in Ann's hotel room.

... and this is a shocker HOW?

I'm... indifferent. It's a shame she died so young, but at the same time I had many friends who died from drug overdoses growing up (if that is indeed what killed her). We make choices in this life and its hard to feel strongly for someone who makes some of the very poor choices she did.

She obviously had many many MANY issues that needed some work, and it was no secret that she was bombed out of her skull a lot. Where was her support (ie family, friends) then?

[stealthwise]

You're not the first person to ask that.



Dude, I was like... completely kidding.

[Red Jack]

http://www.southflorida.com/news/sfl-28annanicole,0,7073177.story?coll=sfe-news-headlines

This is... wow.

Has me wondering if whatever killed her son a few months back was something meant for her.


My theory:

lawyer wants money.

Gets close to target. Makes child. As soon as child is born, old child must go (competing heir). As soon as it's reasonable takes out primary target who has well documented history of recreational drug abuse.

What's left? Baby who stands to inherit tens of millions of dollars and lawyer dad acting as guardian until she's legal.

I know it's cynical. I know it's dark. I just don't beleive in coincidence.

[PatrickG]

My theory:

lawyer wants money.

Gets close to target. Makes child. As soon as child is born, old child must go (competing heir). As soon as it's reasonable takes out primary target who has well documented history of recreational drug abuse.

What's left? Baby who stands to inherit tens of millions of dollars and lawyer dad acting as guardian until she's legal.

I know it's cynical. I know it's dark. I just don't beleive in coincidence.

What's darkly ironic is that this is basically what people were accusing Anna Nicole of.

[Lester C.]

It's kinda like Steve Irwin- you may not care for these people, but they're so omnipresent in the media and they died so young that the world is weirdly different when they are no longer there.

I would respectfully point out that its not the same. Steve Irwin was a good decent man that died as a result of a tragic pointless accident. He will be greatly missed. The world is poorer for his loss.

I have no wish to rile people up so but I think Matt right even if his phrasing could have used a little more tact.

[EdContradictory]

My theory:

lawyer wants money.

Gets close to target. Makes child. As soon as child is born, old child must go (competing heir). As soon as it's reasonable takes out primary target who has well documented history of recreational drug abuse.

What's left? Baby who stands to inherit tens of millions of dollars and lawyer dad acting as guardian until she's legal.

I know it's cynical. I know it's dark. I just don't beleive in coincidence.
I heard a more disturbing theory than that.

The dead son?

He was the father.

I don't think we should welcome death for people we perceive as unfit parents based on what we read in the tabloids and see on reality tv shows.
Certainly not. But death also does not automatically transform you into a decent human being when you were not.

This is a woman who seemed to care more about fame than her family. Much more.

[Crowley]

I heard a more disturbing theory than that.

The dead son?

He was the father.

whoa?

WHAT???

[EdContradictory]

whoa?

WHAT???

Just a theory I heard.

Weird family dynamics.

Son kills himself after meeting baby.

Smith refuses DNA tests.


I don't believe it myself, but that you can hear it and not automatically dismiss it just points to what a mess she made of her life.

[Crowley]

Just a theory I heard.

Weird family dynamics.

Son kills himself after meeting baby.

Smith refuses DNA tests.


I don't believe it myself, but that you can hear it and not automatically dismiss it just points to what a mess she made of her life.

any links????

[EdContradictory]

Nah. Nothing that researched. Just someone's theoretical "hunch".

[Infra-Man]

That's a creepy hunch... gosh... her life was one helluva trainwreck, and I guess that epitomizes why people followed her career. I'm not exactly saddened, but I did always feel sorry for her since she couldn't help being a pinata for tabloids and tabloid news shows.

[Reverend Smooth]

I would respectfully point out that its not the same. Steve Irwin was a good decent man that died as a result of a tragic pointless accident. He will be greatly missed. The world is poorer for his loss. I agree with you personally, but a lot of people (maybe not a majority, though) don't.

[hellokittykat]

You all are wrong!
Apparently Zsa Zsa Garbor's husband is the father.:rolleyes:

[Reverend Smooth]

You all are wrong!
Apparently Zsa Zsa Garbor's husband is the father.:rolleyes:
I just saw an interview with him about it. He's insane.

[hellokittykat]

I seriously thought that the person who told me was joking.

[Tobias March]

You all are wrong!
Apparently Zsa Zsa Garbor's husband is the father.:rolleyes:

Didn't Anna Nicole Smith play Zsa Zsa in the Hudsucker Proxy? I seem to remember that.

[Alex Dragon]

Just a theory I heard.

Weird family dynamics.

Son kills himself after meeting baby.

Smith refuses DNA tests.


I don't believe it myself, but that you can hear it and not automatically dismiss it just points to what a mess she made of her life.

I don't think the truth is anywhere near as shocking. I think Anna's first and biggest mistake is allowing Howard K. Stern to become her manager and letting him have so much control. Stern started off as a lawyer and doesn't really know how to manage someone's career. Stern stood by and let Anna stay hooked on drugs probably because it would make her easier to control and she'd be forced to depend on him more. If Anna told the truth and admitted the other guy was the baby's father Stern probably saw that as someone else getting into Anna's life and taking away some of his control. He probably convinced Anna that admitting the other guy was the baby's father was a bad thing and talked her into leaving the country.

He convinced her to to tell the media the child was his and then did the fake marriage thing to keep control. I guess he thought that doing all that would be enough to keep the real father from being able to really do anything but apparently it didn't work. I think Anna's son's death really was an accident but that accident only helped to strengthen Howard's hold over Anna. Howard was very good at keeping Anna from having friends and relatives in her life so she'd be forced to mostly depend on him.
With all this drama that should've have been any drama in the first place on Anna's shoulders she just freaked out and probably over did it with whatever she was on or she just thought it was too much for her and did it on purpose.

Howard K.Stern was trying to protect his interests because otherwise who else cared even a little bit if Anna got pregnant by someone else? If Anna came out and admitted this guy was the father why on earth would anyone give a rat's ass? The whole scandal was created because she refused to admit it. There's nothing to suggest that this guy is some sort of monster she needs to be protected from. Stern was the only person with something to lose from her admitting the truth.

The whole thing kinda mirrors what Jack Gordon did with Latoya Jackson years ago but that senerio didn't end so tragically. Jack made sure she was always on the outs with her family and didn't allow her any real friends. He even married Latoya to "protect" her. Near the end he somehow managed to convince Latoya to have a baby with him but he couldn't get her pregnant. Much like Howard K. Stern he never had the ability to get her any real gigs that paid well and move her career forward so he just had her doing low rent gigs and keep her name in the public by letting her get involved in various scandals over the years. Latoya was lucky she eventually got away from him.

So yes, in my opinion Anna's death was a sad and tragic thing because she was used and manipulated by someone who didn't have her best interests at heart and never really tried to help her get the help she needed.

[Sally Sensational]

A couple things . . .

Anna Nicole was not only a playboy bunny, she was the "face" of Guess Jeans back when I was a teenager. This was a big deal for me, because she had curves - which I had and the other models I saw in magazines didn't. She made it ok for a little while to be curvy.

No one should have to die at 39 of anything. And no 5 month old child deserves to lose her mother - no matter how strung out Anna Nicole was. I feel so sorry for that baby. Hopefully, they'll straighten out all the legal mess before she's old enough to realize what kind of hell her early life was.

What will be even worse is that there will be episode after episode of crime dramas that are obviously based on her story. We'll have to watch this story over and over again in a hundred different permutations and imagined scenarios.

Whatever happened, the worst is yet to come. May Anna Nicole finally find whatever peace and rest she so desperately needed.

[Alex L]

My theory:

lawyer wants money.

Gets close to target. Makes child. As soon as child is born, old child must go (competing heir). As soon as it's reasonable takes out primary target who has well documented history of recreational drug abuse.

What's left? Baby who stands to inherit tens of millions of dollars and lawyer dad acting as guardian until she's legal.

I know it's cynical. I know it's dark. I just don't beleive in coincidence.
*puts on tinfoil hat*
The odd, scary thing is that it's so plausible.

Many people in this world are f'ed in the head and will do anything for money.

[Lester C.]

I just wanted to take this opportunity to apologize if I offended anyone in my earlier posts. I still stand by my opinions but I should have shown proper respect to the dead and to you guys by keeping my mouth shut. If I inadvertently upset anyone I am truly sorry from the bottom of my heart.

Regardless of my feelings toward her I think it's a disgrace that her death has degenerated into a total circus. A lot of people need to be slapped right now with the probate judge leading the list. He took a routine procedure, that usually takes less than an afternoon, and turned it into a two week circus bringing shame and disgrace to the otherwise noble legal profession.