Young Avengers after Civil War

[JoeMD]

Young Avengers is (or, rather, was) one of my favorite books from Marvel. I hate the OC, but there you go. :p

Anyway, I was thinking today what's going to happen to them after CW. The majority of the team is on Caps side, however Cassie (AKA Stature) has sided with Iron Man. I don't know what Speed is doing as I can't recall seeing him in any of the CW books.

With this divide in the group do you reckon the team will stay wit the current line up or do you think new members may come in. Cassy may not want to stay with the team after Civil War (however i can't imagine the others kicking her out.) Also, Kate Bishop (AKA Hawkeye) and Cassie were quite close in the YA books so there might even be a "she goes, I go" thing happening. Actually, two teams of Young Avengers, one all male, one all female, could be interesting.

Or, you know, the could kiss and make up.

Of course we probably won't find out until Alan Heinberg has the time to write YA Season 2 (whenever the heck that's gonna be) so I guess we have a while to ponder on this.

But in the meantime, what are your thoughts?

[SoulStar]

Yea I know what ya mean. Personally I feel Cassie serious f'ed this up for nearly all of them, especially since they are by standards a fairly new team. Afterall most of their adventures were during the aftermath of house of m(god awful story imo). But I do understand why she did what she did, afterall, breaking up is not forever especially in comics. I got a feeling they will resolve this minor issue in either the end of Civil War or in their own book when it starts up again(PLEASE ALLEN HEINBERG! WE NEED YOUR MIGHTY WRITING POWERS!) that said I think its best that we just wait and see how this settles out within itself.

[JoeMD]

In their own title when Tommy (Speed) was introduced they made it seem like he was something special, there was something more... I don't know.... powerful about him than the others. If this is so then that still needs to be fleshed out so I guess the team will be around in one form or another.

[SoulStar]

I did sorta get that vibe too by the way they introduced him . Though early on it looks like as if he's gonna be their more comic releif character with running gags(apology for bad speed pun there) but I know already he's gonna end up being much more than that. But seriously the character I want to see break out the most is patriot, something about him I just find cool, even though he hasn't had a true chance to properly show off his brand new super soldier abilities as it was hinted it had a slightly different effect on him then the other previously known super soldiers. Really though I wouldn't care either way I still want to find out more about people like Kate and the whole tommy and billy are really wanda's kids thing. And Cassie will come back eventually, come on, she and vision hadn't had a creepy synthoid human relations with each other yet. Hooray for semi interspecies relations

[XPac]

I suppose a big part of it depends on how Civil War ends up.

If the PRO side wins (and we have every indication it will), the Young Avengers will either end up being imprisoned, registred, or on the lam as criminals.

If they're criminals, I don't see Stature rejoining them. If they end up registreing and being trained like Cassie, then obviously they'll be reunited.

[CMBMOOL]

I can see Cassie a bit conflicted about fighting her friends in the final battle, so I could see her defending her friends if the Pro-side almost beat them to death type moment coming at the end. :(

[XPac]

I can see Cassie a bit conflicted about fighting her friends in the final battle, so I could see her defending her friends if the Pro-side almost beat them to death type moment coming at the end. :(

Honestly I was confused to see Cassie in that fight at all.

THe reason Cassie left was because she said she didn't want to fight other superheroes. And in the Civil War filles, Tony was all over Cap for involing the Young Avengers in this war. Yet Tony sticks Stature right in the front lines.

I guess Tony in some way felt Stature was somehow an essential element in that battle, cause I honestly don't see why she's there at all.

[TotalWorldDomination]

Cassie most likely volunteered to help tony put an end to the war- this is is big push and she dose want the hero on hero fighting to end.

As for the YA's after CW, I can only imagine that due to the Initiative that whoever wins, the YA's will officially become the "Avengers Training Program"- meaning that they will both pick up and lose members- I'd like to see them take the New X-Men and YA's and sort of mix them up (part of tony's plan to make people less afraid of mutants). Put X-23 and hellion on the YA's or something like that...

[XPac]

Cassie most likely volunteered to help tony put an end to the war- this is is big push and she dose want the hero on hero fighting to end.

As for the YA's after CW, I can only imagine that due to the Initiative that whoever wins, the YA's will officially become the "Avengers Training Program"- meaning that they will both pick up and lose members- I'd like to see them take the New X-Men and YA's and sort of mix them up (part of tony's plan to make people less afraid of mutants). Put X-23 and hellion on the YA's or something like that...

Regardless of whether or not she volunteered, if I were Tony I would not have put a minor into battle that way. They're work with the government now, so unless she was necessary for the battle, that opens them up to unecessary legal and PR issues.

But whatever... Tony seems to think that in the negative zone he can do whatever the hell he wants so I guess that's not much of a blip on his radar.

[CMBMOOL]

Honestly I was confused to see Cassie in that fight at all.

THe reason Cassie left was because she said she didn't want to fight other superheroes. And in the Civil War filles, Tony was all over Cap for involing the Young Avengers in this war. Yet Tony sticks Stature right in the front lines.

I guess Tony in some way felt Stature was somehow an essential element in that battle, cause I honestly don't see why she's there at all.


The same can be said for Arana, the young Hispanic Spider-girl heroine in MS. Marvel, why is she there within the final fight is a question that confuses me more, but I guess it's the same reason as to why Tony allowed Stature in the final battle as well. :(

[bulbasteve]

The same can be said for Arana, the young Hispanic Spider-girl heroine in MS. Marvel, why is she there within the final fight is a question that confuses me more, but I guess it's the same reason as to why Tony allowed Stature in the final battle as well. :(

Well that is part of the suspension of disbelief people will need for The Initiative type stuff. Teen characters are still going to need to get out there and do their superthing, be it going off the farm or sidekicking with older heroes.

But I think the thing here is the fact that Tony didn't think they were going to release everyone else and those two girls have been heroing for a while, it's not like they had any of the really new characters as part of it. And I guess it makes it a good reason why the anti's would stand a chance in the fight, cause Ms Marvel and Wonder Man might be more busy trying to keep the trainees safe in the situation.

And heck people go off to war to fight and die with less training then they have probably had for as long as CW has been going on.

[SoulStar]

Honestly no matter how you look at it, this whole war itself is a mess within itself. Which is probably the real message Mr. Millar has been intentionally spreading throughout this entire epic story. Most likely his version of what he feels the situation in IRaq or any war for that matter has been for the last two thousand years give or take. But honestly though I like the way the Young Avengers are being pushed right out in the spot light with alot of other more newer characters to better push their support in the future for more fanbase,etc. But still, I shall wait and see how this all goes down.

[JoeMD]

Put X-23 and hellion on the YA's or something like that...

Ha, that would be brilliant! I love the X-23 character! Although, if the Pro side wins and Tony throws such characters into a Avengers training program do you reckon he'd go after the Runaways? I mean Tony's gotta know about them (I don't follow the Runaways books, so sorry if that is obvious) and I reckon he'd want there where he can keep an eye on them.

As for Cassie, I agree that I thought her being at the fight was strange. I thought she'd wanna stay out of it, but maybe Tony said something to her that made her stay and fight? With her size changing powers thought she could wipe out a number of heroes at once.

However, that didn't help Goliath which poses the question, what if it's Cassie who dies? I mean, if a minor dies in the War it's really gonna shake up the heroes. I can't actauly see that happening but it's worth a thought. If a child was killed it'd make their petty war no better than what stated the whole thing - Stanford and the deaths of all those children.

[SoulStar]

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However, that didn't help Goliath which poses the question, what if it's Cassie who dies? I mean, if a minor dies in the War it's really gonna shake up the heroes. I can't actauly see that happening but it's worth a thought. If a child was killed it'd make their petty war no better than what stated the whole thing - Stanford and the deaths of all those children.[/QUOTE]

I hate to admit it but that is a good point there. Not to mention poetic. Seriously f'ed up but poetic.

[JoeMD]

Seriously f'ed up but poetic.

That's me! :D

[jester1436]

The New X-Men shouldn't be mixed in with the Young Avengers, it's a not a natural mesh, at least since neither team has really been together and organized for that long.

Also, I doubt Stature will die anytime soon. It would be lame - her dad fairly recently died in Dissassembled and her relationship with Vision and Kang still hasn't been mined yet. Also, it's just ridiculous to kill off another size-shifter in a storyline. I mean, Goliath is enough. But then you have her dad in Dissassembled and Yellowjacket in The Crossing back in the 90s. It's like Crisis events at DC for speedsters.

[SoulStar]

Well either way it goes, I got a sinking feeling that the Young Avengers could go in two very possible routes.
1.Still be active as an underground unregistered team
or
2.Be a part of the initiative but might end up in a different state.


Either way it would be intersting.

[JoeMD]

Well either way it goes, I got a sinking feeling that the Young Avengers could go in two very possible routes.
1.Still be active as an underground unregistered team
or
2.Be a part of the initiative but might end up in a different state.


Either way it would be intersting.

3. They go no where because Allen Heinberg dosen't get off his @$$ and write more issues.:D

Seriously though when are we gonna get this book back?

Back to Civil War though, I still think is Tony wins then they will get thrown into some sort of training school. If Cap wins then he might try to break them up as he did in their own title.

[Grazzt]

The New X-Men shouldn't be mixed in with the Young Avengers, it's a not a natural mesh, at least since neither team has really been together and organized for that long.

Also, I doubt Stature will die anytime soon. It would be lame - her dad fairly recently died in Dissassembled and her relationship with Vision and Kang still hasn't been mined yet. Also, it's just ridiculous to kill off another size-shifter in a storyline. I mean, Goliath is enough. But then you have her dad in Dissassembled and Yellowjacket in The Crossing back in the 90s. It's like Crisis events at DC for speedsters.

To be fair, they are really big targets...

[SoulStar]

No kiddin'. Seriously I needs my Young Avengers fix. It's addictive like crack man.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/I%27m_RickJames_Bitch%21.jpg
Please Allen Heinberg hurry. Do it for lil Ricky.

[The Real Rogue]

I think Marvel is quite dumb to wait so long with the YA. After Civil War they became known by a larger scale of people and became more popular. Now they are going to wait for a very long time to follow-up. Most of the new fans will no longer care by then.

[Sandy Hausler]

I think Marvel is quite dumb to wait so long with the YA. After Civil War they became known by a larger scale of people and became more popular. Now they are going to wait for a very long time to follow-up. Most of the new fans will no longer care by then.

Agreed.

But you know what's really funny? We have hardly seen Jessica Drew since her issue of Avengers (unless she's appearing in Iron-Man or some other book that I don't read). She was the hot new Avenger and now she's all but invisible. Meanwhile Ms. Marvel has been going full steam in her own book. Makes me scratch my head and wonder what's going on.

As for the Young Avengers, they're never really rocked my boat. They're Ok, but nothing special. If they don't come back, I wouldn't miss them, not because I think they're bad; I just don't think they're good. Just my opinion, of course.

Sandy Hausler

[mrc1214]

Its just too long. It was good enough and popular enough to become a monthly. Marvel should have got a good fill in writer. Brian K Vaughn would be great on the book so would Joss Whedon.

[SoulStar]

Its just too long. It was good enough and popular enough to become a monthly. Marvel should have got a good fill in writer. Brian K Vaughn would be great on the book so would Joss Whedon.

I wouldn't mind at all if any one of those guys took over it for Heinberg. Hell I've seen their works on Runaways and Whedon being the father of Buffy,Angel, and Firefly already got my vote. And yes Marvel should just go on and continue to keep it going since the fanbase is obviously popular enough to let it go full steam.

[JoeMD]

Yes, its stupid that they decided to wait for Heinberg to get into gear. The bloke could be out for another year or even longer, I mean look what happened to Wonder Woman when he started writing. Three months between issues, no thanks! Jodie Picoltt is a good writer though so the book should pick up once she steps up. Still, Marvel really needs to get more YA stuff out.

As for Spider-Woman, another book I was really looking forward to, Joe Q said on Newsarama that we won't see it till late 07, early 08. Bloody terrible!

[XPac]

Though I'm a HUGE fan of Young Avengers (MU's best title marvel has put out in a long long time), I can wait.

From what we've seen, I think Marvel will continue to use the Young Avengers... they won't fall into limbo even without Heinberg putting out an on-going series.

Heinberg proved to me that his stuff is worth the wait. I'd rather wait a year and have him continue the story he wrote than have someone else do it.

[mrc1214]

Heinberg proved to me that his stuff is worth the wait. I'd rather wait a year and have him continue the story he wrote than have someone else do it.

He is a good writer. But hes not worth the wait at all IMO. Considering that Marvel has Whedon and Brian K. Vaughn around. I have a feeling if one of them took over the book it might even be better than what Heinberg wrote.

[Haunt]

someone should take over for Heinberg. i didn't like the issues he did write, all that much.

[Bobster777]

Though I'm a HUGE fan of Young Avengers (MU's best title marvel has put out in a long long time), I can wait.

From what we've seen, I think Marvel will continue to use the Young Avengers... they won't fall into limbo even without Heinberg putting out an on-going series.

Heinberg proved to me that his stuff is worth the wait. I'd rather wait a year and have him continue the story he wrote than have someone else do it.

I totally agree. Hopefully though, when Heinberg does come back, he'll just concentrate on this book so he would be late so much. My goodness, he's been so behind with the wonder woman books.

I'm really looking for the Young Masters of Evil. Bring on Dr. Doom's long lost son :)

[JoeMD]

Yes, if Allen returns I hope he gives his all to YA so we won't have to wait months between issues.

[Calybos]

I get the depressing notion that the Young Avengers, cool and interesting as they seemed at the outset, were really cooked up for no other purpose than to provide pathos and sledgehammer a few emotional points for Civil War.

And after Civil War, they won't have any real purpose any more. Sigh.

[JoeMD]

I get the depressing notion that the Young Avengers, cool and interesting as they seemed at the outset, were really cooked up for no other purpose than to provide pathos and sledgehammer a few emotional points for Civil War.

And after Civil War, they won't have any real purpose any more. Sigh.

I don't know about that. If that was the case would the really have bothered to build a story around them that intertwines with Marvel mythos so much? I think there has been way to much importance put on the characters for them to just be thrown aside.

[CaptainCanada]

I get the depressing notion that the Young Avengers, cool and interesting as they seemed at the outset, were really cooked up for no other purpose than to provide pathos and sledgehammer a few emotional points for Civil War.

And after Civil War, they won't have any real purpose any more. Sigh.
Huh?

They were created well before Civil War was even planned.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Huh?

They were created well before Civil War was even planned.

You are correct. Their creation and initial publication predates planning for Civil War significantly, no connection to their genesis at all.

[Calybos]

Glad to hear it, because I really liked their initial run and I'm hoping they outlast the Civil War stuff by a wide stretch.

[DoctorDoom]

Can't wait for YA vol.2 as long as there is some art by Cheung!

And more on the twins!

[RH_Duncan]

I allready miss the Young Avengers and am soo sad it will not be before the summer and maybe even later, before some YA comes out again