Who was worse on Ultimate X-men? Bendis or Kirkman?

[Sparda]

Ok who was the worse on Ultimate X-Men run while these guys took over? Only thing in my eyes that saved Bendis on his run was Wolverine teaming up with spidey (I enjoyed that arc) but his other where beast died kinda blows. Who you think is worse?

[sgt pepper]

Easy call for me. You should have a "neither" option for people who liked both runs (I did not, but for others).

[Karl H]

Kirkman made me drop the title... 'nuff said

[Beast]

Other than Beast's pointless death, I enjoyed Bendis' run for the most part. :)

However so far, Kirkman's run has had little to no redeeming factors. :p

[Omega Alpha]

Kirkman, although Bendis seemed more interested in write Spider-Man than the X-men. At least i could stand his run, while Kirkman is almost as bad as Austen.

[hawkeye comeback]

I dont mind kirkmans run but didn't like bendis run at all it was so meh

[Locue]

Kirkman's run isn't over and I have a feeling he's going to redeem himself doing the two explanation issues. Mark my words, people.

This is a silly poll by the way, and I refuse to cast a vote unless there is an option called "I refuse to cast a vote because this is a silly poll/Don't give a toss."

[Jake V]

While Bendis seemed more interested in writing a Wolverine story guest-starring the X-Men and Spider-Man, Kirkman seems more interested in doing the worst X-Men stories he possibly can.

Bendis at the very least wrote the amazing story with the kid whose powers killed his entire town.

The only redeeming quality to Kirkman's run has been a few of Ben Oliver's covers.

[Cayman]

Bendis wrote the best issue of the series to date and his run was very entertaining. So I vote Kirkman.

[Spiderboy-Prime]

kirkman defintely due to the annual alone, im actually interested in collecting issues from bendis' run

[wingsofdamnation]

i voted for bendis.
it seems that im the only person out there that is enjoying kirkmans run. sure its not some of kirkmans best writings but i still look foward to reading it every month. where as with bendis i have completly lost interest in USM and his UXM run didnt interest me at all.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Which one had the most x-men with Soulpatchs and/or piercings? Thats the one that wins.

[Gargus]

Both for me.

Ultimate xmen aside from a interesting story here and there died when mark millar left it.

The series started going on a downhill slide after millar left. Bendis didnt make it worse but he didnt help it either, he just kept that downward momentum going and kirkman isnt that bad either. Kirkman has good ideas but does them all really badly. And Im tired of all the stupid teen angst he creates and the whole "who is F'ing who in this issue?".

[wingsofdamnation]

Which one had the most x-men with Soulpatchs and/or piercings? Thats the one that wins.
what do you mean by soulpatches? i keep hearing that but have no idea what they're talking about

[Jim Yost]

Kirkman's run isn't over and I have a feeling he's going to redeem himself doing the two explanation issues. Mark my words, people.

You may be right, but I, too, have dropped the monthly book. I might check in with the trades, but monthly it's just not very coherent...

I enjoyed what Invincible I've read... just doesn't feel like there's any real enjoyment to this.

[TransformersFan]

I was gonna pick up some of Kirkmans stuff in trade, but now I dont think so.

[Omega Alpha]

I was gonna pick up some of Kirkmans stuff in trade, but now I dont think so.

Good for you and your pockets.

[NickThompson]

Bendis did the issue with the kid, which is one of my favourite issues ever. Kirkman's I've not read.

[The Multiple Demon]

I dunno, I believe Bendis had a decent run, Kirkman had a decent start with "Date Night" but his run has become convulted, and he had the honor to come after BKV, which didn't help him much.

[superhornet34]

At least Bendis had David FInch for 12 issues. Kirkman doesnt have anyone. That Ult. X-men HC Vol. 4 is worth it just because its all FInch art. The story is very very sloooowww.

[Mister Mets]

Bendis's run was flawed, but he has several advantages over Kirkman.

1. He left after 12 issues
2. He had an exceptional artist working with him.
3. The second chapter of the New Mutants saga may be the series's best issue to date.

[Doom Hammer]

Kirkman by miles. Bendis' run was forgettable, but not really awful. I thought, at least.

Kirkman's run is a joke. It's everything I hate about poorly-written empty-headed comics, and it's a complete disappointment, because Kirkman used to be a favorite. Marvel Team-Up was awesome and the Walking Dead is one of the highest-quality comics I can think of. Ultimate X-Men is a sad shadow of his other work.

[Shadow ES]

Vaughn's run has been the only one I enjoyed in its entirty.

[onefutui2e]

i vote bendis. i remember reading his issues and i was mostly bored out of my mind. i dunno why.

at least kirkman's issues had some degree of action in them.

i repeated this a few times. when kirkman took over BKV didn't give him much to work with. most arcs have been definitively concluded or had a "check back in 20 issues or so" tag stuck to it.

kirkman did some character development and left a few cliffhangers in date night. phoenix was actually a pretty good arc IMO, because it built on phoenix and also gave some more potential future story arcs (the hellfire club still exists). magical, i admit was pretty retarded, but mostly because there didn't seem to be a point in it. as a story itself it was good. and who knows? we'll probably see the guy again.

Cable, i think in terms of action it was fine. the fight scenese were done nicely. but however, the pacing was off, and a lot of things came out of nowhere. professor X's love for jean was :confused: especially since he also has a thing for lilandra. perhaps this shows that X is quite the player? who knows!

but MOST IMPORTANTLY overall, kirkman tried to bring back ended aspects of the story (sometimes with bad execution), and then proceeded to take the current status quo of UXM, line it up, then shoot it in the kneecaps. at this point he can do anything, it seems. i would LOVE to see a bishop-led team of X-Men.

though if wolverine goes solo, i swear i'm gonna rip someone's head off. he's pretty much going solo is just abotu every other X-title!

[Toboe]

The question is even offensive for Bendis work...

Kirkman has turned this book into trash, pity...

[seeso]

I have not enjoyed Kirkman's run at all. Bendis' was okay. I actually liked it better than BKV's.


what do you mean by soulpatches? i keep hearing that but have no idea what they're talking about

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9852/traveljdeh6.jpg

That little patch of hair underneath the lip is called a "soul patch".

[seeso]

I should probably add that I absolutely love Kirkman's Invincible. One of my favorite books.

[tetragene]

I voted for Kirkman. The only thing I've like that he's done was the Shi'Ar as a scientology knock-off...interesting way to "reimagine" the Shi'Ar. Other than that his run has been rather boring and pointless. Magician? Cable? Perhaps everything will be tied together the same way Vaughn tied all of his arcs together with Magnetic North, but the arcs alone have been pretty lame.

Bendis was a bit Wolverine heavy, but I enjoyed the issues nonetheless. New Mutants was good and I particularly liked #41 about the kid who couldn't control his powers and ended up killing his whole town (bonus points for finally setting a story in South Carolina too ;) ). Plus he gave us Ultimate Dazzler, who's easily one of the best Ultimate characters alongside Thor and Captain America.

[gravling]

Kirkman for Magician alone would be enough (what a pointless, POINTLESS arc) - that entire story just seemed to be one big, incredibly repetitive fight scene, and though i'm sure we were supposed to like the character he was just so completely and utterly bland. The stories since Kirkman's run have been a bit all over the place, and his dialogue can be downright shoddy, which is one thing Bendis does well.

What the hell was with the annual too? They bring Dazzler in for a few issues, and her Ultimate incarnation is great, but she gets put in a coma for the best part of a year, wakes up and leaves? Do you think it was just a case of not knowing what to do with the character, or what?

Admittedly though I liked the introduction of Cable, Bishop and Domino.

[jayeffscene]

I enjoyed Bendis' run. I can see why people wouldn't, seeing as there is a focus on dialogue and all that, but i think it adds to character development. But Kirkman is gonna have to have a miracle to pull this arc out of the gutter.

[Neptunicus]

I liked Bendis's run and don't hate Kirkman but am afriad he is going down the goofy road that Morrison took New X-Men. He seems to be creating story lines for the spectacle of it all rather than the actual story itself and frankly I'm pretty disappointed with his handling of Cable.

Cable has the most ridiculous and convoluted history of almost any major 616 character and he could have done something really cool and made him relevant with his "Ultimization (sp?)". So far he hasn't.

Insofar as storytelling as spectacle he seems to be going for over the top shock value plot points rather than the more Clarimontesque storytelling of Vaughn and Bendis. I liked the older stories where where the X-Men seem like a family and it was as much about them and their relationships as the villians and nefarious plots. It actually lessens the value of those crazy spectacular plot lines that redefine characters when you use them every single issue...

So Bendis Thumbs Up. Kirkman Thumbs Side Ways at this point.

[Neptunicus]

Skiimed from the web - "Kirkman in an interview with Wizard Magazine said: "Beginning with April's #81 a new arc called "All Different" (an homage to the famous Giant-Size X-Men #1) begins, it will see one new "ultimized" character, former members stepping up and others taking on side roles.", and returning the long-dead Beast."

So unless this is executed much better than it sounds he actually gets a Cablesque Thumbs Down from the future for getting ready to suck.

[Frank]

Bendis's run was pretty damn awesome. Not terribly original but very entertaining. And that single issue was a classic.

I haven't read the Kirkman run so far. What happened that was so bad..?

[gravling]

Skiimed from the web - "Kirkman in an interview with Wizard Magazine said: "Beginning with April's #81 a new arc called "All Different" (an homage to the famous Giant-Size X-Men #1) begins, it will see one new "ultimized" character, former members stepping up and others taking on side roles.", and returning the long-dead Beast."

So unless this is executed much better than it sounds he actually gets a Cablesque Thumbs Down from the future for getting ready to suck.

uh oh. homage, new x-men, regular characters taking side roles?

have they never heard the phrase 'if it aint broke, don't fix it'?

and seriously. . . how the hell are they going to swing beast being alive?

[Neptunicus]

uh oh. homage, new x-men, regular characters taking side roles?

have they never heard the phrase 'if it aint broke, don't fix it'?

and seriously. . . how the hell are they going to swing beast being alive?

Yeah that is my biggest problem with the Kirkman run so far is that he seems intent to use the Ultimate X-men as his personal idea sandbox rather than something he inherited (and someone else will inherit after him). Him reversing Rogue's acquiring of gambits powers is a sign of this - I guess that wasn't what he had in mind for the character - so hey reverse it....

bleh..

Oh and if he Ultimizes Thunderbird I'll barf...(my bet is on Sunfire or Banshee)

[Thorlief]

I stopped buying UXM after Kirkman took place. No need to say more

Bendis' arc was pretty enjoyable to me...sure not as funny as Millar's great first run but still I happen to like his style