Get out your disco-ball beaded rosaries. Exiles/NEX mini coming this Fall. [Archive]

The Sword Is Drawn

01-30-2007, 04:10 PM

For flip's sake Novaya! Dobn't be such a harbinger of doom.

This series was always on the cards. It was in discussion before Claremont went on leave. Didn't think we'd see it before 2008, but at least we will.

There's plenty of reasons for it to occur. The relationships between characters of both groups makes perfect sense.

Don't expect roster changes, but do expect Meggan Braddock to possibly turn up, and a fair chance of the newly re-incarneted (Well House of M anyway) Mad Jim Jaspers/Fury entity still being alive and trying to destroy the multiverse.

There's a Braddock Twin on both teams. Nocturne used to be an eXile, but now she'd found a home. Dazzler believes Longshot to be dead, but he's alive amnd well - just had his memory wiped a couple of times by Mojo. He won't even remember Ali.

I thinks it's great that this is actually being explored outside both series. It won't muck up continuity too much, but will add to both titles.

The Fury

01-30-2007, 04:16 PM

This is great news, for Exiles and Excalibur Fans.

The teams connect so well, with Longshot and Dazzler, Psylocke and Brian. Psylocke Dazzler and Longshot, Nocturne and Morph and Blink....it's all good.

So many thing connect the idea of both of them. Exiles go round fixing realities. Captain B is connected strongly to the Captain Corps which have a captain on each world as it's protector and watcher for things gone array.

Beast

01-30-2007, 04:17 PM

Don't expect roster changes, but do expect Meggan Braddock to possibly turn up, and a fair chance of the newly re-incarneted (Well House of M anyway) Mad Jim Jaspers/Fury entity still being alive and trying to destroy the multiverse.
Oooo, yes. Good idea on using both story points from the Uncanny HoM tie-in together. I almost forgot that Mad Jim Jaspers/The Fury was still a dangling plot point from House of M that needs to be dealt with. As well as the surge of energy when M-Day occured. We've assumed it was Shadow King, but it could easily have been Mad Jim-Fury. I think both teams versus the the MJJ/Fury hybrid would be great for the crossover. :)

Keith_Martineau

01-30-2007, 04:17 PM

I hope this series brings all 616 characters out of Exiles, and puts that one Exile character back in, and finally redefines the series back to it's original manifesto.

That being, crazy alternate versions of characters banding together to save crazy, alternate dimensions.

Mineralogy

01-30-2007, 04:18 PM

Switch out Nocturne and Juggernaut for Psylocke and Longshot and i might consider starting to read new excalibur.Nooooo! Juggernaut is awesome! Longshot, on the other hand, smells like overused Axe body spray. Speaking of Longshot, I just realized how amusing (or tragic I guess, if you swing that way) the reunion with Dazzler will be:

DAZZLER: Oh my god! L-Longshot! I thought you were dead!

LONGSHOT: Huh? Who are you, my little cotton-candy haired moppet? Mmmm, cotton candy...

DAZZLER: W-what? Don't you remember our relationship? Our passion? Our love? Knocking me up? The miscarriage? Chasing the Brood to planet Z'Nox?

LONGSHOT: (blank stare)
LONGSHOT: (to Blink) Can I be excused? I need to use the restroom. On Earth-2345.

Novaya Havoc

01-30-2007, 04:18 PM

I bring complete ambivalence, thus providing cosmic balance between Novaya Havoc's entertaining vitriol and Beast's sincere and patient enthusiasm.

I think this is the most entertaining post within this thread. :D

Sword: There's every reason to be negative! I think all nine planets are aligning this fall. Well, 8 planets. They kicked Pluto off the roster. But STILL. It is a harbinger of doom.
And Dazzler/Longshot reunion makes me cry sweet tears of myrrh like a Russian Ikon.

The Sword Is Drawn

01-30-2007, 04:19 PM

Oooo, yes. Good idea. I almost forgot that Mad Jim Jaspers/The Fury was still a dangling plot point from House of M that needs to be dealt with. Yeah, I think both teams versus the the MJJ/Fury hybrid would be great for the crossover. :)

Well I think we all know that Chris has been wanting to use Jaspers for years. Now the legal problems with Alan Moore have all been sorted out he can finally do something with him.

Joe Acro

01-30-2007, 04:52 PM

Oooo, yes. Good idea on using both story points from the Uncanny HoM tie-in together. I almost forgot that Mad Jim Jaspers/The Fury was still a dangling plot point from House of M that needs to be dealt with. As well as the surge of energy when M-Day occured. We've assumed it was Shadow King, but it could easily have been Mad Jim-Fury. I think both teams versus the the MJJ/Fury hybrid would be great for the crossover. :)They would be forced to unleash Proteus just to stand a chance. But the affect of having his mind altered for so long would make him much less evil than before. He'd still be a threat and still be somewhat murderous (maybe like Hyperion before he decided to conquer).

The Exiles have been to 616 too much, though. Yes, they know Nocturne and Juggernaut. Yes, Captain Britain and Dazzler have experience traveling interdimensionally. So, it'll be an interesting meshing of teams.

Why am I getting the feeling Claremont is going to have Roma send the Exiles to help Excalibur with something?

Sentinel K

01-30-2007, 04:59 PM

I am looking forward to this.

And that is all I have to say.

Mikl C

01-30-2007, 05:04 PM

LOL I love your absolute hatred Novaya. It makes me warm and fuzzy love.

tetragene

01-30-2007, 05:34 PM

Eh...I think this fall is a bit too soon to have a crossover between the teams, but that may just be me. I think the relationships between the NEX and Exiles cast should be addressed, however my conerns are with the writer doing it. Are we going to get rehashes of the old relationships--everything back to how it used to be--instead of something new, going with how these characters have progressed away from each other? And since Captain Britain and Psylocke (and most likely Meggan) will be reunited and Roma is a given--I have a feeling a lot of the other relationships would be glossed over to give those charactes the spotlight anyway. I could definitely see some characters crossing over permanetly into one of the other titles--which I don't think should happen. All I can do is wait and see though...

jarrod

01-30-2007, 05:55 PM

Joe Acro

01-30-2007, 05:59 PM

The only problem I can see is how not to keep the teams from trading out. Betsy would obviously want to return home and I think it's somewhat likely T.J. would want to leave 616... even if she's made a home for herself there, she still has a "real" home she can return to (unlike other divergent timeline refugees like Rachel or Bishop). I could see Betsy and Ali trying to convince Longshot to stay too... how's Claremont going to handle keeping it seperated?
You just made me think that it would be really neat if the displaced alternate reality characters could be returned to their home realities by the Exiles. It would never happen because people have become attached to characters such as Rachel and Bishop, but it might at least allow for a few interesting solo stories involving those characters.

fishtaco

01-30-2007, 06:02 PM

For flip's sake Novaya! Dobn't be such a harbinger of doom.I suppose he's already read the book. ;) :p

Anyway, I'll buy it, but I can't say I'm all that excited over it either. I'd like to know who the artist is, though.

Brian "Vash" Ashby

01-30-2007, 06:08 PM

I got the perfect relationship for Dazzler

Dazzler should be with Iceman, because the way i figure it no one can love dazzler like a gay man :D

xakko

01-30-2007, 06:08 PM

You just made me think that it would be really neat if the displaced alternate reality characters could be returned to their home realities by the Exiles. It would never happen because people have become attached to characters such as Rachel and Bishop, but it might at least allow for a few interesting solo stories involving those characters.

you would actually send Rachel back to that twisted, evil future she came from? you bastard!

tho' she had reprogrammed the sentinels to defend all life the last time she was there, right?

i would love to see TJ get to return to the Exiles, and possibly Thunderbird. but to reunite the older team would diminish the always in flux nature of Exiles. i imagine CC might eventually move Betsy over to NEX after her story in Exiles runs its course.

jarrod

01-30-2007, 06:09 PM

You just made me think that it would be really neat if the displaced alternate reality characters could be returned to their home realities by the Exiles. It would never happen because people have become attached to characters such as Rachel and Bishop, but it might at least allow for a few interesting solo stories involving those characters.
Rachel doesn't really have a "home" to go back to... all her friends and family in her world are dead and America's been ravaged by the Sentinels and goverment. She chose to come back after DOFYTC already, when she had the chance to stay.... she definitely considers 616 her home now.

Bishop maybe, but I don't think he really has much to go back to either (family's dead, XSE might be pissed, etc). He's definitely got it better here with O*N*E.

I'm not totally clear on TJ's background, but I thought most of her friends were still alive (and there's an active X-men team) on her earth? She's really the only one of the three who'd want to go home imo.

Stephane Garrelie

01-30-2007, 06:11 PM

I'm in for this mini.:)
Very interested. I wonder who will be the artist.

jarrod

01-30-2007, 06:18 PM

I'm in for this mini.:)
Very interested. I wonder who will be the artist.
Maybe Salva after NewUni wraps up? It'd be a nice treat, and definitely raise the mini's profile a notch or two... plus it's finite, so Marvel higher ups may greenlight it given it wouldn't tie up their hott artist more than few months and given both creators wanting to work together again.

Brett P

01-30-2007, 06:33 PM

Great news, I'm big fan of Exiles and excited to see where Claremont takes it. Can't wait for the mini and the character situations it will involve, particularly reuniting with Nocturne. How I'd love for a merger of the two teams, what with - Cap, Betsy, Morph, Blink, Nocturne, Juggernaut, Dazzler and Longshot. Sage and Wisdom staying in 616 and finding new homes.

Beast

01-30-2007, 06:37 PM

Merging the teams? No thanks. A crossover is fine, but keep the teams seperate.

Brett P

01-30-2007, 06:42 PM

I'm still worried about Excaliburs long term life...just thought it could be a possible option, you know what with Brians experiences with alternate dimensions, the Captain Britan corps etc

Out of curiosity, would you rather have Nocturne with Exiles or Excalibur? I doubt there will be team swap overs since it's not occuring in the main book but I'm certainly gonna be interested to hear why TJ doesn't take the chance to return home (unless of course, she does...)

ibrakeforchinwe

01-30-2007, 06:45 PM

Merging the teams? No thanks. A crossover is fine, but keep the teams seperate.

I agree, not only would that be a huge team, if they kept everyone, it just wouldnt feel right.

Beast

01-30-2007, 06:48 PM

Keep the characters where they are. We already know why the Exiles have decided to leave Nocturne where she is. And Betsy will probably stay on with the Exiles as well, probably out of Roma's wishes.

Flameworthy

01-30-2007, 06:54 PM

Eh, I was expecting this, but not so soon. I guess it'll be good for Dazzler to get some closure with Longshot once and for all. As long as she doesn't go falling head over heels for him again.

Also, I'd like see Nocturne returned to Exiles, because I'm really not a fan of alternate reality characters in 616 (*cough* Rachel *cough*). I could really care less about Psylocke staying in Exiles though.

Novaya Havoc

01-30-2007, 06:58 PM

I got the perfect relationship for Dazzler

Dazzler should be with Iceman, because the way i figure it no one can love dazzler like a gay man :D

You are sooooo my XPOTM Februrary.

And Mikl... I <3 you more than my own sister.

Joe Acro

01-30-2007, 07:42 PM

Keep the characters where they are. We already know why the Exiles have decided to leave Nocturne where she is. And Betsy will probably stay on with the Exiles as well, probably out of Roma's wishes.Besides, Nocturne is on 616 for a reason. The Timebreakers said so. I don't know what that reason is, but maybe its just related to her presence until she dies.

david r

01-30-2007, 08:15 PM

OOOOOOOOOH YEEEEAAAH!!! This Exiles/New Excalibur mini is going to be a blast!!!!!!!

I can't wait to see Longshot & Dazzler reunite. And Meggan! And the return of Mad Jim Jaspers!!! (I hOPe! I hOPE!!)

Chris Claremont ! Nobody Does It Better !!! :)

Faded

01-30-2007, 09:22 PM

cgar

01-30-2007, 11:34 PM

hopefully theres a really good artist on this. and since exiles is gonna crossover with NEX maybe Psylocke can be involved in the BIG X-EVENT that is coming this fall as well

twilight

01-30-2007, 11:45 PM

This actually sounds pretty good to me.

I like that all the connections between the two teams make it a logical kind of crossover.

rilokyle

01-31-2007, 03:13 AM

This actually sounds pretty good to me.

I like that all the connections between the two teams make it a logical kind of crossover.

Yeah, I agree, this does sound interesting. I wonder if Psylocke will return to the 616 universe (where she belongs).

And I wonder if Meggan will reappear- she's been gone way too long.

Karl H

01-31-2007, 03:30 AM

As crossovers go - it makes sense. It's being done soon enough in to his tenure on Exiles that hopefully CC can finish some of his ideas!!!

Read the first arc of NEX and it was kind of meh to me... But, the Exiles completist in me will have to buy this series... It really is that simple...

The Sword Is Drawn

01-31-2007, 06:50 AM

I'm still worried about Excaliburs long term life...just thought it could be a possible option, you know what with Brians experiences with alternate dimensions, the Captain Britan corps etc

I'm not worried in the slightest. This book has been needed in the marvel Universe for almost a decade - ever since its original cancllation. The problem has purely been that 15 issues in the book has been pulled all over the place creatively. Some of that was definitely the fault of the at time X-Editors, some of that is purely the bad luck of Claremont haviong to leave writing the book with #5, and some of that is due to a fill in writer who went out of his way to keep this book away from Britain (At least Marvel's Britain) for reasons best known to himself.

There's plenty logical reasons for this crossover, and the Captain Britain Corps are the least of them, really.

Out of curiosity, would you rather have Nocturne with Exiles or Excalibur? I doubt there will be team swap overs since it's not occuring in the main book but I'm certainly gonna be interested to hear why TJ doesn't take the chance to return home (unless of course, she does...)

I want Nocturne firmly staying on 616 Earth. I think she has an incredible amount of potential within Excalibur. She has not been written well initially, but those grumbles have been pretty well spelled out across the internet. I'd be amazed if Claremont hadn't taken some of them on board. The new costume change alone would suggest it's been considered.

As crossovers go - it makes sense. It's being done soon enough in to his tenure on Exiles that hopefully CC can finish some of his ideas!!!

I hope it's not TOO soon, though. Luckily by the time this mini starts out Claremont will have written at least 9 issues of eXiles.

Read the first arc of NEX and it was kind of meh to me... But, the Exiles completist in me will have to buy this series... It really is that simple...

Read NEX#16. The book has become a bit of a mess without Claremont. The last issue he wrote himself was #5. #'s 6-8 were plotted by him, and written by Chris Yost. You can pretty much write off Frank Tieri's #9-15. In most of the earlier stories Excalibur appear as guest starrs, and very little of his run even acknowledges the setting, or the team's purpose.

As of #16 Claremont is back on, and continuing the stories this book was intended to be about.

Ogrebear

01-31-2007, 07:10 AM

Personally I think it will be dealing with Meggan, Brian's status with the Corps, and probably with Proteus as the bad guy.

I would like to see something about what happened to Cain and TJ when they where sucked into that black hole at the end of Austin's run. Didn't they just turn up in House of M with no explanation?

The Sword Is Drawn

01-31-2007, 07:19 AM

Personally I think it will be dealing with Meggan, Brian's status with the Corps, and probably with Proteus as the bad guy.

I'm holding out for Mad Jim Jaspers. If meggan shows up - fine. But you need something BIG to justify a limited series.

I would like to see something about what happened to Cain and TJ when they where sucked into that black hole at the end of Austin's run. Didn't they just turn up in House of M with no explanation?

That'd be cool. But no, they didn't just turn up in House of M. They arived back in Uncanny a couple of issues before that. TJ possessed Spiral's body to get them back to 616, only to find it was a trap set by Mojo, who followed them.

jarrod

01-31-2007, 07:46 AM

That'd be cool. But no, they didn't just turn up in House of M. They arived back in Uncanny a couple of issues before that. TJ possessed Spiral's body to get them back to 616, only to find it was a trap set by Mojo, who followed them.
Speaking of which, maybe Mojo will be the big bad for the mini instead? He has strong ties to both teams now and centering the mini around him may give Betsy's story longer to play out in Exiles... for Novaya's sake, let's hope it the case. ;)

The Sword Is Drawn

01-31-2007, 08:16 AM

Speaking of which, maybe Mojo will be the big bad for the mini instead? He has strong ties to both teams now and centering the mini around him may give Betsy's story longer to play out in Exiles... for Novaya's sake, let's hope it the case. ;)

Yeah, that is possible. I wouldn't mind it, but I'd hope for something a little bit bolder to justify the mini.

But yes, I fear that the astrological predictions Novaya made earlier on this thread may yet align to cause him strife... ;) :D

No harm meant Novaya. You 8th planet comment brightened up a dull late night shift at work, for me.

Mariah

01-31-2007, 08:58 AM

Speaking of which, maybe Mojo will be the big bad for the mini instead? He has strong ties to both teams now and centering the mini around him may give Betsy's story longer to play out in Exiles... for Novaya's sake, let's hope it the case. ;)
Ugh! I will stab whoever is the writer of this in the throat! I *HATE* Mojo! Bloated piece of fecal matter!

Beast

01-31-2007, 09:02 AM

Ugh! I will stab whoever is the writer of this in the throat! I *HATE* Mojo! Bloated piece of fecal matter!
Yay for Mojo! Hey, he's popular enough to get a Marvel Legends BAF after all. ;)

Karl H

01-31-2007, 09:04 AM

Ugh! I will stab whoever is the writer of this in the throat! I *HATE* Mojo! Bloated piece of fecal matter!

Seconded... I actually quite liked him until the X-men 90's cartoon version of him and that voice... like fingers down a blackboard...

Mariah

01-31-2007, 09:06 AM

Seconded... I actually quite liked him until the X-men 90's cartoon version of him and that voice... like fingers down a blackboard...
I liked him in the Longshot mini, and New Mutants Annual 2 and Uncanny Annual 10, but everything after I wanted to burn out of my collection.

dazzler_slave

01-31-2007, 11:43 AM

Looking forward to this one. I'm sure CC will do a fine job. Can't wait for all the reunions.

Brett P

01-31-2007, 02:52 PM

Beast, you know you said we know why the Exiles left Tj in 616? When was this, don't remember it? (Unless it was in Claremonts first ish which i havnt got yet...(

Beast

01-31-2007, 02:58 PM

Beast, you know you said we know why the Exiles left Tj in 616? When was this, don't remember it? (Unless it was in Claremonts first ish which i havnt got yet...(
Yeah, it was in Exiles #90. They had Nocturne on the viewscreen and Blink asked why they don't bring her back. Heather said that she'd rather not right now, that they're better off keeping her there due to all the trouble that the 616 reality seems to keep causing. Plus that there was something about Excalibur.

Flameworthy

01-31-2007, 03:06 PM

Speaking of which, maybe Mojo will be the big bad for the mini instead? He has strong ties to both teams now and centering the mini around him may give Betsy's story longer to play out in Exiles... for Novaya's sake, let's hope it the case. ;)

Oh dear god no! I can't stand that tub of lard. Seriously, he's one of the worst villains ever.

Beast

01-31-2007, 03:18 PM

Oh dear god no! I can't stand that tub of lard. Seriously, he's one of the worst villains ever.
Nah. I'd take Mojo anyday over folks like Vulcan.

Mineralogy

01-31-2007, 10:48 PM

tetragene

02-01-2007, 12:33 AM

I've never gotten any real evil and menacing vibes from Mojo, granted I haven't read the Longshot mini-series. I think he has potential to be interesting, but I don't think he could ever be on the same level as the likes of Apocalypse or a slew of other x-villains. I wouldn't mind Mojo and Arcade working together to construct a televised "Murderworld"--still a little on the cheesey side, but it's better than the typical Mojo-related debacles. Although I really just wish Mojoworld hadn't been brought back to begin with--I was quite happy with Lobdell destroying that place. Why any writer felt the need to bring it back is beyond my thinking. I just hope none of those characters get stranded on Mojoworld--that's the last thing any character needs.

The Sword Is Drawn

02-01-2007, 02:02 AM

Mariah

02-01-2007, 03:59 AM

Mojo is a good example of a great villain consistently used horribly for cheap gimmicks. He's actually one of the scariest, most evil villains the X-Men have when writers don't sit down at their keyboards and go "lol x-babies."
If we're going to get a fat villian, lets see the return of FAT KARMA(tm)! Now there is a villian I'd like to see! *twirls in Fat Karma Avatar Mode*

Karl H

02-01-2007, 04:02 AM

If we're going to get a fat villian, lets see the return of FAT KARMA(tm)! Now there is a villian I'd like to see! *twirls in Fat Karma Avatar Mode*

You must tell us more of this fat Karma you speak of... I have no recollection of her...

Mariah

02-01-2007, 04:31 AM

You must tell us more of this fat Karma you speak of... I have no recollection of her...
It's Karma during her period of being possessed by the Shadow King. For better reference, you have to read New Mutants #29-34, and the New Mutants Special Edition#1.

[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite

02-01-2007, 04:44 AM

This is what Mojo is capable of:

From Marvel.com

Mojo’s great size gives him strength greater than that of a normal Earth human. He can heal himself at an enhanced rate as well as regenerate lost body parts he has lost. He also has unspecified magical abilities, such as the ability to fire a blast of magical energy or the ability to alter a target's metabolism, health, and physical condition. Mojo can hypnotize his victims, controlling their minds, memories and actions. He has proven able to draw a sleeper's spirit into his lair.

Mojo’s very presence manifests an “anti-life” force, warping his surroundings in ways that threaten life (by creating storms, causing wilting, and so forth). Doctor Strange theorized that his presence on Earth could threaten all life.

Doctor Strange attempted to help Longshot battle Spiral & Mojo in Longshot #5-6. However, Mojo proved a match for even the Sorcerer Supreme. Why? Strange deduced Mojo possesses an anti-lifeforce antithetical to which the bonds of creation exist in the Earth dimension; therefore, he believed the longer Mojo stayed on Earth, Mojo's presence would corrupt any matter he touches. Mojo just twisted Strange's spells back at him.
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What would it take to make Mojo a credible threat again? Get away from the media angle, focus on the other aspects of his character. This is a bloated, decaying, nauseating alien being whose very essence is simply wrong. He exudes anti-life, to the point where his presence makes plants wither, animals die, people sick, and his touch decays. He's an immensely powerful sorceror who laughs off spells from Doctor Strange, and he's actually psychotic... not comic book psychotic, mind you, but actual Arkham Asylum Joker psychotic- spouting off gibberish and nonsense words, making contradictory demands, completely out of touch with reality. And yet, as Spiral reminds us, "You're so clever, Mojo. You give me all these extra arms then bring me to a planet full of two-armed creatures. What better a way to make me hate humans, then harness that hate for your petty despotism. You act completely psychotic, but I know you're really thirty moves ahead of everyone."

Judging from that, he's supposed to be more dangerous than a large number of the other X-villains.

The writers not taking advantage of this is just sad.

The Sword Is Drawn

02-01-2007, 04:50 AM

It's Karma during her period of being possessed by the Shadow King. For better reference, you have to read New Mutants #29-34, and the New Mutants Special Edition#1.

That is SCARY.

Mikl C

02-01-2007, 04:51 AM

Longshot was FREAKING CREEPY in Longshot's mini. He rivalled Doctor Strange for power :o
They made him a joke for some reason.

Mariah

02-01-2007, 05:01 AM

Longshot was FREAKING CREEPY in Longshot's mini. He rivalled Doctor Strange for power :o
They made him a joke for some reason.
That would be Claremont's doing. And every writer after that took what he did and went with it.

Mariah

02-01-2007, 05:07 AM

That is SCARY.
Quake in your undies, hell yeah it's scary! Fat Scary Lesbian Coming Atcha!

Karl H

02-01-2007, 05:12 AM

Quake in your undies, hell yeah it's scary! Fat Scary Lesbian Coming Atcha!

one man's scary is another man's challenge ;)

Brian "Vash" Ashby

02-01-2007, 06:29 AM

Mojo was never scary per se, at least not in the traditional sense. Ive always found him to be "joker"esk. Hilariously insane.

Beast

02-01-2007, 07:03 AM

If we're going to get a fat villian, lets see the return of FAT KARMA(tm)! Now there is a villian I'd like to see! *twirls in Fat Karma Avatar Mode*
There's an idea. Mojo takes Fat Karma as his bride! Brilliant! :D

The Sword Is Drawn

02-01-2007, 07:08 AM

There's an idea. Mojo takes Fat Karma as his bride! Brilliant! :D

'It's GOLD, Joe! Solid GOLD, I'm telling you. Print it! We'll sell millions!'

DDM

02-01-2007, 08:29 AM

I've felt that Mojo has been a bit of a wasted opportunity for a while now. TV's changed a lot since the 80s. With the continued want and need for more extreme reality TV shows, creating conflict to score ratings, I think that a modern Mojo story should show something more along those lines.

But yes. Instead, we get X-Babies. While there's nothing particularly wrong with that, I'd much prefer something which acknowledged modern pop culture a bit mor.

But in a weird, twisted sense, Mojo's using Betsy's bionic eyes as cameras from The New Mutants Annual #2 & revealed Psylocke's bionic eyes from Uncanny X-Men Annual #10 is fortelling of things to come by "documenting" the X-Men's adventures for Mojo to profit from on MojoWorld seems to have foretold of the current "reality TV" trend.

There's nothing dated about these stories at all. In fact, if you look at them from the comic book perspective, they are prescient of things to come of today's current popular culture.

The Sword Is Drawn

02-01-2007, 08:38 AM

But in a weird, twisted sense, Mojo's using Betsy's bionic eyes as cameras from The New Mutants Annual #2 & revealed Psylocke's bionic eyes from Uncanny X-Men Annual #10 is fortelling of things to come by "documenting" the X-Men's adventures for Mojo to profit from on MojoWorld seems to have foretold of the current "reality TV" trend.

There's nothing dated about these stories at all. In fact, if you look at them from the comic book perspective, they are prescient of things to come of today's current popular culture.

You're not wrong. But you see that was really dark, when you think about. My complaint was that in recent years he's only really turned up and made the team into X-Babies, or similar. More slapstick than satire, if you know what I mean.

I'd like to go back to more concepts like the Psylocke one...

Joe Acro

02-01-2007, 08:42 AM

The thing that bothers me to most about Mojo is that there's only one of him. I just can't see how that makes any sense.

The Sword Is Drawn

02-01-2007, 08:53 AM

The thing that bothers me to most about Mojo is that there's only one of him. I just can't see how that makes any sense.

Self-enclosed pocket Universe. Just accept it. It might not make total sense, but it is the case.

Joe Acro

02-01-2007, 09:09 AM

Self-enclosed pocket Universe. Just accept it. It might not make total sense, but it is the case.
But that does that meant there's only one Longshot? One Shatterstar? How come none of the visitors to Mojoworld ever crossed paths?

...

Maybe I think too much...

The Sword Is Drawn

02-01-2007, 09:34 AM

But that does that meant there's only one Longshot? One Shatterstar? How come none of the visitors to Mojoworld ever crossed paths?

...

Maybe I think too much...

There is only one Longshot.

But as for Shatterstar - well that's a whole other mess... :D

How do you meen never crossed paths. Sorry I don't quite understand. TJ and Juggernaut came back from Mojoworld in Uncany. There was a brief conversation they had (VERY brief, and I think TOO brief) with Dazzler in New Excalibur. And plenty X-Characters have exchanged notes in the past.

Joe Acro

02-01-2007, 09:49 AM

There is only one Longshot.

But as for Shatterstar - well that's a whole other mess... :D

How do you meen never crossed paths. Sorry I don't quite understand. TJ and Juggernaut came back from Mojoworld in Uncany. There was a brief conversation they had (VERY brief, and I think TOO brief) with Dazzler in New Excalibur. And plenty X-Characters have exchanged notes in the past.
I mean, why did the 616 X-Men never encounter Morph or any of the other alternate reality X-Men teams?

Beast

02-01-2007, 12:16 PM

I mean, why did the 616 X-Men never encounter Morph or any of the other alternate reality X-Men teams?
Because it's not like they take frequent trips to Mojoworld.

DDM

02-01-2007, 01:07 PM

You're not wrong. But you see that was really dark, when you think about. My complaint was that in recent years he's only really turned up and made the team into X-Babies, or similar. More slapstick than satire, if you know what I mean.

I'd like to go back to more concepts like the Psylocke one...

Mojo still views Psylocke has his "property." Likewise, the same is true for Rachel Summers, Phoenix. And of course, Longshot & Spiral...

However, there's so much baggage still attached to Betsy in her current form that Claremont may have nowhere to go. I still think there's something more to Betsy's current telekinetic powers than meets the eye. And, hopefully, she will regain her telepathy at the cost of being impervious to manipulation when her brain goes back to being "online." Mojo could also give Betsy bionic eyes again though...

Daithi

02-01-2007, 01:10 PM

Mojo still views Psylocke has his "property." Likewise, the same is true for Rachel Summers, Phoenix. And of course, Longshot & Spiral...

Rachel? Nah, last time thay met Mojo could care less about her.

Brian M.

02-01-2007, 01:11 PM

Mojo still views Psylocke has his "property." Likewise, the same is true for Rachel Summers, Phoenix. And of course, Longshot & Spiral...

However, there's so much baggage still attached to Betsy in her current form that Claremont may have nowhere to go. I still think there's something more to Betsy's current telekinetic powers than meets the eye. And, hopefully, she will regain her telepathy at the cost of being impervious to manipulation when her brain goes back to being "online." Mojo could also give Betsy bionic eyes again though...

Aren't you the one complaining in the Brubaker thread about rehashing old ideas?

DDM

02-01-2007, 01:15 PM

Aren't you the one complaining in the Brubaker thread about rehashing old ideas?

Magneto's a villain is simply rehashed, old ideas; however, anything involving Mojo, Spiral, & Psylocke are hardly rehashed or old when written correctly. The reason Claremont has Psylocke is because he is not done with her characterization & development. It's why she was moved from Uncanny X-Men to Exiles.

Brian M.

02-01-2007, 01:23 PM

Magneto's a villain is simply rehashed, old ideas; however, anything involving Mojo, Spiral, & Psylocke are hardly rehashed or old when written correctly. The reason Claremont has Psylocke is because he is not done with her characterization & development. It's why she was moved from Uncanny X-Men to Exiles.

When did anyone talk about him being a villian again? Complaining just to complain.

tetragene

02-01-2007, 08:54 PM

Magneto's a villain is simply rehashed, old ideas; however, anything involving Mojo, Spiral, & Psylocke are hardly rehashed or old when written correctly.

Then Mojo and Mojoworld's fairly recent "ressurection" in Uncanny X-Men was what? "Fantastical, goofy, cutesy" x-babies adventures aren't tired, old, rehashed ideas? And on another point--Psylocke as the supreme goddess capable of all (rivaled only by Storm and Sage, of course) isn't old and rehashed? We've clearly been reading very different comics over the years :confused:

Brian "Vash" Ashby

02-01-2007, 08:58 PM

Dazzler being a lesbian is new. Check and Mate my dear Mr. Bond

Beast

02-01-2007, 09:21 PM

Then Mojo and Mojoworld's fairly recent "ressurection" in Uncanny X-Men was what? "Fantastical, goofy, cutesy" x-babies adventures aren't tired, old, rehashed ideas?
Mojo and Mojoworld's return hasn't been a fairly recent ressurection. Mojo and the Mojoverse were shown to be alive and not destroyed way back in Exiles #18 and #19. Long before they turned up again in Uncanny X-Men. Frankly those two issues of Uncanny X-Men were a great pair of downtime issues, where we got some very necessary interaction between the Astonishing, Uncanny, and X-Men casts. Tossing in a bit of Mojo fun certainly didn't hurt things. Honestly, I don't get the hate for Mojo or the X-Babies.

tetragene

02-01-2007, 09:28 PM

Mojo and Mojoworld's return hasn't been a fairly recent ressurection. Mojo and the Mojoverse were shown to be alive and not destroyed way back in Exiles #18 and #19. Long before they turned up again in Uncanny X-Men. Frankly those two issues of Uncanny X-Men were a great pair of downtime issues, where we got some very necessary interaction between the Astonishing, Uncanny, and X-Men casts. Tossing in a bit of Mojo fun certainly didn't hurt things. Honestly, I don't get the hate for Mojo or the X-Babies.

Yes, but the Exiles issues you mentioned read as the Exiles traveling back to a point in time in Mojoworld before it was "destroyed" or before Dazzler ever even went there, IMHO. And even if you like crazy, wacky Mojo & X-babies stories--you have to admit that the story involving them in Uncanny was not "fresh" or "new" by any stretch of the word.

Beast

02-01-2007, 09:36 PM

Yes, but the Exiles issues you mentioned read as the Exiles traveling back to a point in time in Mojoworld before it was "destroyed" or before Dazzler ever even went there, IMHO. And even if you like crazy, wacky Mojo & X-babies stories--you have to admit that the story involving them in Uncanny was not "fresh" or "new" by any stretch of the word.
Nyet. The Exiles do not travel in time. And no, it's after Dazzler left the Mojoverse thinking that it was destroyed and Longshot was dead. And I never said it was new, but neither is anything being done in comics.

tetragene

02-02-2007, 07:06 AM

Nyet. The Exiles do not travel in time. And no, it's after Dazzler left the Mojoverse thinking that it was destroyed and Longshot was dead. And I never said it was new, but neither is anything being done in comics.

I retract that then--my Exiles collection is small and scattered throughout its run. But still--the Mojo story in Uncanny was typical goofy, fanstastical, kiddie fanfare. The multi-team intereaction may have been nice (although it was rather small interaction to be honest), but the cutsey x-babies and the goofiness of Mojo sending an Exiles "legal eagle" team was rather lame--and is pretty much one of the major reasons Mojo is considered such a tart of a villain nowadays. I hope he has no involvement in the miniseries--a "Betsy/Brian/Jamie Braddock fest" would be bad enough, adding Mojo into the mix would just push it over the edge.

Joe Acro

02-02-2007, 07:15 AM

Nyet. The Exiles do not travel in time.
Do not toy with my beliefs!

The Sword Is Drawn

02-02-2007, 08:39 AM

Do not toy with my beliefs!

NO. He's right. They do not travel through time. They have visited dimension whereby time has passed at slightly different speeds, or something, if I recall correctly. But no, they don't time travel.

I retract that then--my Exiles collection is small and scattered throughout its run. But still--the Mojo story in Uncanny was typical goofy, fanstastical, kiddie fanfare. The multi-team intereaction may have been nice (although it was rather small interaction to be honest), but the cutsey x-babies and the goofiness of Mojo sending an Exiles "legal eagle" team was rather lame--and is pretty much one of the major reasons Mojo is considered such a tart of a villain nowadays.

It was all purposefully slapstick and sent up, in this case thoigh. Such as the 'Jean Grey Bomb'. It was firmly tongue in cheek.

But yes, it does kind of downgrade the threat level of Mojo - into more of a clown, that's for sure. This was intended as a relief story though.

Joe Acro

02-02-2007, 08:45 AM

NO. He's right. They do not travel through time. They have visited dimension whereby time has passed at slightly different speeds, or something, if I recall correctly. But no, they don't time travel.
I know the Exiles have said it (and only before the took over the Crystal Palace) but did the Timebreakers ever say? Has it ever been confirmed that they don't travel to the point that needs fixing?

To them, it might appear like that reality moves slower simply because they thought they jumped to the same time. Of course, this theory would require knowledge of how the jump controls work, which I don't think we'll ever get.

Beast

02-02-2007, 09:01 AM

The Timebroker told them via the Tallus when they arrived at the Trial of the Phoenix in Issue #3. Not to mention if they could time travel, they wouldn't have all these problems like dead team members and Proteus. They could jump back in time and prevent said events from occuring. Also fracturing realities wouldn't be that big of a threat, they could have just stopped what caused the original break... the Timebreakers farking things up. So no, they do not and cannot actually travel in time. ;)

Joe Acro

02-02-2007, 09:05 AM

The Timebroker told them via the Tallus when they arrived at the Trial of the Phoenix in Issue #3.Despite what I said in my previous post, I'm not even sure the Timebreakers' word can be taken as truth. They've been shady in the past and we don't even know their origin or experience.

Not to mention if they could time travel, they wouldn't have all these problems like dead team members and Proteus. They could jump back in time and prevent said events from occuring. I don't think they can willingly jump in time. They just go to the points where things might go awry.

Also fracturing realities wouldn't be that big of a threat, they could have just stopped what caused the original break... the Timebreakers farking things up.In order to fix that, they'd need to go back in time within the Crystal Palace, which probably can't be done.

Beast

02-02-2007, 09:13 AM

Joe Acro

02-02-2007, 09:27 AM

Yeah, they've been shady in the past. But it's an established fact that time travel isn't what the Exiles do. That's why it was established early on so that the wrter could play with classic storylines, like the Trial of the Phoenix, without people asking said questions. Not to mention that even the writers and editorial have stated it enough times. And no, they wouldn't have to go back in time within the Crystal Palace. It was the bug's incursions and exploration into various realities that caused them to break.
We don't know what the bugs did to mess with the various timelines. We don't know how the timelines seem to go along just fine until a certain point, a point at which the Exiles must intervene. And, sure, it may be an editorial mandate that the Exiles don't time travel. But them traveling through time makes things easier for me to grasp.

Beast

02-02-2007, 09:31 AM

We don't know what the bugs did to mess with the various timelines. We don't know how the timelines seem to go along just fine until a certain point, a point at which the Exiles must intervene. And, sure, it may be an editorial mandate that the Exiles don't time travel. But them traveling through time makes things easier for me to grasp.
They've already said. It was their explorations into alternate realities that caused the fractures. And how does involving time travel make things easier to grasp? Jesus, that's the one storyline that causes more problems for readers than any other. All it would do is complicate the book even further with the above points.

Joe Acro

02-02-2007, 09:45 AM

They've already said. It was their explorations into alternate realities that caused the fractures. Read that statement. Doesn't that sound vague to you?

And how does involving time travel make things easier to grasp? Jesus, that's the one storyline that causes more problems for readers than any other. All it would do is complicate the book even further with the above points.
Oh, explaining the time travel might indeed become a complicated matter. But this idea that some realities move faster or slower than others makes no sense to me.

jester1436

02-02-2007, 02:03 PM

Oh, explaining the time travel might indeed become a complicated matter. But this idea that some realities move faster or slower than others makes no sense to me.

It's pretty easy to grasp. Either the various realities didn't all start at the same time or events happen later or earlier because it's an alternate reality. Time travel really doesn't make it an understandable situation if that doesn't make sense. Not every alternate reality is on the same timescale. It's the same thing with Spider-Girl now I think, she's happening NOW because the timelined started earlier there. I think anyway.

ibrakeforchinwe

02-02-2007, 04:01 PM

Nyet. The Exiles do not travel in time. And no, it's after Dazzler left the Mojoverse thinking that it was destroyed and Longshot was dead. And I never said it was new, but neither is anything being done in comics.

Exactly. Some realities' time moves faster than others. Nocturne comes from one such reality. Her father is physically much older than 616 Nightcrawler. Spider-Man 2099 is also from one of these fast realities. His earth is at year 2099 already.

Some Earths are younger and older than 616 therefore their current date would be different.

Joe Acro

02-02-2007, 05:10 PM

Why do they move at different speeds? Why do certain ones move slower and others move faster? Why do the Exiles not notice the change in the time speed?

DDM

02-02-2007, 05:14 PM

Why do they move at different speeds? Why do certain ones move slower and others move faster? Why do the Exiles not notice the change in the time speed?

It's vibrational attunement used to separate each separate reality from the other (or a cell membrane for each universe); each one moves at different speeds. Therefore, the times seem different, but they may be exactly in the same time when they left the previous world. It's not time travel per se, yet it may seem like it is given the time difference & the different paths taken on each Earth.

xmanson

02-02-2007, 05:17 PM

Thsi wil be so awesome or pure trash.

No middle ground.

Well, at least there will be some Novaya hissy fits to read.

And go away HATERZ!!!!!! 1010111111101111

:p

Joe Acro

02-02-2007, 05:20 PM

It's vibrational attunement used to separate each separate reality from the other (or a cell membrane for each universe); each one moves at different speeds. Therefore, the times seem different, but they may be exactly in the same time when they left the previous world. It's not time travel per se, yet it may seem like it is given the time difference & the different paths taken on each Earth.
And yet, not all realities move at different speeds. Just look at the arc where Mimic finds an alternate version of himself.

And that doesn't explain why they don't notice a difference.

ibrakeforchinwe

02-02-2007, 05:29 PM

And yet, not all realities move at different speeds. Just look at the arc where Mimic finds an alternate version of himself.

And that doesn't explain why they don't notice a difference.

They're bodies are protected from it. As Exiles they are shielded from aging. When Nocturne and Sunfire got trapped on the Legacy Planet the Beast said they were in a form of suspended animation or something.

DDM

02-02-2007, 05:32 PM

And yet, not all realities move at different speeds. Just look at the arc where Mimic finds an alternate version of himself.

And that doesn't explain why they don't notice a difference.

Vibrational attunement cannot be seen with the naked eye. It's like asking, "Prove to me the world is spinning on an axis." Furthermore, with each jaunt to each reality, the team may be disoriented for a short time to know where they are. With each possible Earth, there are billions of possibilites. It's not always just down to a divergence of one incident.

Joe Acro

02-02-2007, 05:44 PM

They're bodies are protected from it. As Exiles they are shielded from aging. When Nocturne and Sunfire got trapped on the Legacy Planet the Beast said they were in a form of suspended animation or something.Oh, I know that they're protected from aging. But if time moves faster or slower, wouldn't they notice a difference in their speed? Wouldn't they feel faster or slower?

Vibrational attunement cannot be seen with the naked eye. It's like asking, "Prove to me the world is spinning on an axis." Furthermore, with each jaunt to each reality, the team may be disoriented for a short time to know where they are. With each possible Earth, there are billions of possibilites. It's not always just down to a divergence of one incident.Vibrations can't be seen. But they can be felt, unless they are too small.

I'm not sure what the rest of that has to do with anything...

DDM

02-02-2007, 06:52 PM

Vibrations can't be seen. But they can be felt, unless they are too small.

I'm not sure what the rest of that has to do with anything...

Vibrations between universes cannot be seen or felt. One single universe can span billions upon billions of square miles alone.

Novaya Havoc

02-02-2007, 09:30 PM

Well, at least there will be some Novaya hissy fits to read.

Boy, will there ever! Stay tuned, faithful readers!

widdershins

02-03-2007, 11:07 AM

Oh, I know that they're protected from aging. But if time moves faster or slower, wouldn't they notice a difference in their speed? Wouldn't they feel faster or slower?

OK.Physics Time.
There is a famous thought experiment in Special Relativity which involves two twins.One stays on earth,the other goes in space with a spaceship travelling close to the speed of light.Say now the second twin returns to earth after twenty years:he will appear much younger than the other.This is because of time dilation,due to the different speeds of the two frames of reference (the spaceship and earth).However locally,in each frame of reference,everything moves at the same speed and time does neither accelerate nor slow down-all physical processes evolve normally (including clocks and human beings).It is only when the two frames of reference are brought back together that you can see the difference.
Just imagine that the entire Universes are equivalent to spaceships moving at slightly different speeds and everything will be clear.
In each Universe the Exiles enter,they enter a new frame of reference-they will never feel time speeding up or slowing down.
Theoretically if they pass too much time in a determinate universe and then they go back to another which moves at different speed they could see some differences;for example they could stay an year in U-2099 then go to 616 and discover that from that Universe's perspective only six months have passed from their last visit.
However,given that the greatest variation we have seen is less than a hundred years over an age of the Universe which is at least 15 billion years,on the scale of a human life the effect should be completely nonexistant.