Mutant League 01/29/2007 AM Game 9: UTVol8102 & Atom_Basher vs. Mikl C & Hi-Fi

[mattbib]

Welcome to our first match of Week 2...

In the first corner we have UTVol8102 & Atom_Basher's Ass Whoopins & Lollipops (Professor X, Empath, Justice, Caliban, Pulse, Whirlwind, Lightbright)

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In the other corner is Mikl C & Hi-Fi's Amazons dot com (M, Aurora, Madame Web, Bruiser, Skids, Squirrel Girl, Murmur III)

Both participants have submitted strategies:

[mattbib]

Phase 1 (happening immediately and simultaneously)
•Xavier psi-links our team to step in and defend against any telepathic intrusions or attacks from M or Web. And makes communication streamlined for our team. If Madame Web and M try to telepathically double team anyone on our team Xavier should be more than powerful enough to fend them off.
•Justice creates a bubble around our team (the shield should be created before Aurora can make it across the field). Justice begins floating them forward. Lightbright stands in the front of the shield and begins unleashing blazing flashes of light to blind the opposing team, because of the psi-link, whenever Lightbright thinks "eyes closed" our entire team instinctually closes and covers their eyes and immediately opens their eyes afterwards so as not to be blinded themselves, if the opposing team initially closes their eyes to block a flash attack that's okay, we doubt they will predict the string of blinding flashes to follow if Aurora dashes across the field she will crash right into Justice's TK shield, and come face first with LB's blinding flash. This opening salvo should blind the opposing team (well except for Madame web obviously) for a good while (M with her enhanced vision should be especially wrecked by the flash).

Phase 2 (The members of the opposing team are most likely blinded or at the very least dazed and confused and will be unable to fully fend off our team's attacks )
•75 percent down the field Justice drops off everyone except for Xavier, who he keeps by his side in a smaller easier to manage shield. Justice engages M and begins smashing her with Massive TK blasts, if M tries to escape when she regains her vision, Justice will drag her back, and continue pounding away.
•Xavier goes on the offensive, and drags Web to the astral plane, where he eventually locks her mind down, Web may be a powerful but doesn't hold a candle to Xavier especially in astral battles. If Web was telepathically defending her team, she should no longer be able to, do to Xavier's assault.
•Empath fills Skids with endless love for him, and our team, "We would never hurt you baby, drop your shields and let Empath show you a gooooood time". Feeling deep love for Empath she does so, eliminating any possible shielding for the opposing team.
•Lightbright unleashes massive amounts of heat into Squirrel Girl. If she is shielded by Skids, LightBright waits for Empath to drop her shield then proceeds to bake her.
•With Aurora surely running around, Whirlwind pursues her. Whirlwind may not be as fast but, Lightbright's flashes probably disoriented her. All Whirlwind has to do is run towards her; they aren't racing so a difference in speed would only make that big of a difference on a bigger field. Once WW catches Aurora he slices her Achilles tendon with his saw blade then smashes her in the head to knock her out. This isn't out of character for Whirlwind and Xavier wouldn't mind since it doesn't involve killing her.
•Caliban gets close enough (but maintains some distance as to avoid mind control) to Murmur to unleash a psycho active virus and does so, destroying her mind, Caliban then kicks her in the head to takes her out, then runs over to the infatuated Skids and punches her in the head to take her down as well.
•Pulse runs close to Molly and depowers her, turning the powerhouse into a normal little girl, Pulse contains her, until the fight is over, and makes sure he doesn't get kicked in the nuts (she loves kicking nutsacks)

Phase 3
•Justice Forces M close to Caliban, and he gives her psycho active virus that should take her out and Xavier telepathically puts Molly to sleep.

Notes
**If by some freak chance the opposing team did keep their eyes closed all of phase 1, that still plays into our, "opposing team not seeing plan" also our strategy is still viable even if the opposing team isn't blinded by the flash, it'll just be slightly tougher to pull off, but still totally doable
**This is a barren wasteland, so squirrel-girl has nothing to summon to her aid
**our team is completely focused and wont be distracted by anything
trivial

[mattbib]

*Set up*

M instantly uses all of their telepathic might to attack Xavier, who will have to defend himself momentarily against her and will not be able to attack the rest of my team.
Xavier will almost certainly have begun attacking my team from the get go, but the speed of thought is the same for M and Xavier, and he will need to pull his powers back to defend himself so any damage he was doing will be negligible due to the short space of time (less than seconds) he had to implement them. I want M to use her entire will on Xavier to keep him solely occupied on her for the first 3 seconds of the battle. 3 seconds only is necessary. Well within her capabilities.

Madame Web simultaneously launches her own (less powerful albeit across a shorter space of time) mental attack on justice.
This will only have to stall him from using his powers for less than 2 seconds. It will be a sharp jab of pain in his head. Justice is a TK, but has no resistance to this attack. The pain in his head will prevent him from accessing any TK shields he was throwing up.

At the same instant Aurora launches herself at top speed and flies towards Justice before he can get his telekinetic shield up.
Aurora can theoretically travel up to the speed of light (300000000m/s).
Vastly underestimating her top speed/ acceleration and allowing take off and reaction time to, say a speed of 3000m/s (that’s one hundred thousandth of her potential), allows her to reach Justice in 0.03 seconds. Whether Justice would have his shield at full strength by this stage anyway is debatable, but with Madame Web's telepathic pressure on his brain Aurora knocks him out cold. Justice’s shields have collapsed with pressure also and while travelling at this speed Aurora packs significant force.

Madame Web immediately focuses her telepathy in concert with M (who is struggling to manage Xavier) to keep Xavier busy and unable to attack at all.
This is purely a stalling tactic; I don't for a minute think M and Madame Web even combined could hope to defeat Xavier. They are however, enough to keep him busy.

Aurora once again moving with super speed and reaction times flies into Xavier and renders him unconscious.
Aurora is capable of moving this fast without psychic interference and I’m confident she can take out Xavier and Justice in this way.

Now in the time it takes Aurora to knock out Xavier, I am willing to concede the other team may have begun to attack her possibly knocking her out. I will therefore not hinge upon Aurora for anything else, she has accomplished her most important mission.

Now at the start of my battle, the rest of my team begin flanking the other team. They spread out as much as possible whilst still advancing. Everyone avoids coming within Empath's range. Everyone is moving quickly to avoid getting caught in a whirlwind. Skids takes point shielding against Lightbright, shielding her eyes yet still skating in her general direction. Her force field should be able to deflect her light blasts.

*Attacking scenario*

After Xavier and Justice are down, Madame Web moans and "falls out" of her chair. This is a stage fall and she's completely playing possum. The other team with think her unconscious and ignore her. M immediately picks her chair up and flies towards the other team. M's job here is to draw Whirlwind away from the others, to a space where she can engage him in midair.
M chucks Web's chair at whirlwind. He will easily deflect it but this will anger him enough to pursue M rather than the rest of my team. Aurora will fire light blasts at Whirlwind also to draw him off into the air.
Molly grabs hold of Skids' hand. She spins her around faster and fast before letting her go- flying at great speed into Pulse. Skids and Pulse collide- if he negates her powers her momentum will easily keep her travelling towards him. The collision knocks them both out.
Madame web telepathically links to Murmur. She helps her with her precog talents however she can into manoeuvring closer to lightbright. She will also be telepathically attacking lightbright if she is giving Murmur trouble.
Molly and Squirrel Girl will be staying far enough away from Empath and Caliban to not be affected by their emotion powers. They will be circling them waiting for the moment to strike. Squirrel Girl makes a lunge to distract them.
Molly immediately picks up Tippy Toes and throws him at Empath's face. Tippy Toes scratches his head and bites his nose. This will be very distracting for Empath for a while, and Squirrel Girl darts towards him and punches him in the stomach. She finishes him off with knuckle claws to the face, knocking him out. Squirrel Girl is deadly in combat, and has taken out Deadpool while he was prepared for an attack. Empath goes down easily.
As soon as squirrel girl engages Empath Molly runs towards Caliban and fights him head on. Her strength should allow her to hold him off for a while until squirrel girl can back her up.
Madame Web gives Lightbright a brain-pain. Murmur uses this opportunity to jump in and touch Lightbright. Madame Web is telepathically relaying everyone's situations to the other team members so they don't get in their way.
So we have a full team give or take a few expendable members up, with a Murmur-controlled Lightbright. M and Aurora are in the air avoiding whirlwind’s attacks. Murmur orders Lightbright to dazzle blast at a time when Whirlwind is facing her and the rest of the team has been telepathically to close their eyes.
Whirlwind briefly stops flying, being overcome with the light blast. M and Aurora slam into him. Lightbright is ordered to fire a light blast at his head. He falls, unconscious.
Caliban is dispatched with a group effort. Molly delivers the coup de grace by punching him on the head and then promptly falls asleep.
Molly is wearing her bunny hat for this battle.
The rest of the team go and pick Madame Web up. Aurora and Murmur speak French to each other.

[Brian M.]

Nice strategy Mikl C and Hi-Fi...good luck to you guys.

Now on to the defending of the our strategy.

I think we defend perfectly against your opening move. You state that both M and Madame combined would not be able to take Xavier, well we have Xavier psi-linked and providing psy defense for our entire team. It's been shown many times that telepaths can help defend against other telepaths...most recently I believe was in Astonishing #18 when Blindfold stopped Nova from attacking Scott's mind.

So Xavier stopping M and Madame from attacking himself and Justice should not be a problem.

Also with Justice being defended and not effected by Madame Web's move Aurora runs face first into his TK shields. Aurora is super fast, probably as fast as you have her but she does not instantly start out at those speeds. Giving Justice time to get his shield up.

With your opening moves blocked and w/ Lightbright shining her stuff all around we should be in a pretty good shape by the time we get to your team.

[Atom_basher]

M instantly uses all of their telepathic might to attack Xavier, who will have to defend himself momentarily against her and will not be able to attack the rest of my team.
Xavier will almost certainly have begun attacking my team from the get go, but the speed of thought is the same for M and Xavier, and he will need to pull his powers back to defend himself so any damage he was doing will be negligible due to the short space of time (less than seconds) he had to implement them. I want M to use her entire will on Xavier to keep him solely occupied on her for the first 3 seconds of the battle. 3 seconds only is necessary. Well within her capabilities.
Madame Web simultaneously launches her own (less powerful albeit across a shorter space of time) mental attack on justice.
This will only have to stall him from using his powers for less than 2 seconds. It will be a sharp jab of pain in his head. Justice is a TK, but has no resistance to this attack. The pain in his head will prevent him from accessing any TK shields he was throwing up.

You assumed we would have Xavier attack during our set up phase and we didnt, we have xavier COMPLETELY defensive, we even make mention of any double team telepathic assaults, which for the time being, Xavier is more than powerful enough to defend against. M's telepathy wouldnt even dent Xaviers Psi Defense. Has M even EVER psi bolted or used her telepathy offensively?

With your opening attack COMPLETELY defended against, your attack phase fails, because you never defended against Light Brights flashes which most definitly take away your teams vision, and take away the ability to properly attack

not to mention Aurora has NEVER been able to fly at the speed of light without the alterations of the children which have been neutralized since their captured.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

I havent really went into the strats yet as i like to take my time with these now and too lazy to do it now, but i suspect Squirrel Girl will be the key for victory or defeat

[melodyrider]

Good strategies on both sides. I'll have to think about this one for a bit. AW&L doesn't give lollipops after winning in their strategy this time, though. Have they grown stingy since the first match? :D

[Atom_basher]

Good strategies on both sides. I'll have to think about this one for a bit. AW&L doesn't give lollipops after winning in their strategy this time, though. Have they grown stingy since the first match? :D

the market value on lollipops has sky rocketed, whether or not that has anything to do with us remains to be seen

[Brian M.]

Good strategies on both sides. I'll have to think about this one for a bit. AW&L doesn't give lollipops after winning in their strategy this time, though. Have they grown stingy since the first match? :D

Well Caliban was the one responsible for going to get them but they didn't have the kind of flavor he liked and he ate the store clerk near him...so needless to say he got kicked out.

[Jack Flash]

good strategies on both ends. Some questions for both groups

Do you think M's quick attack on slows down Xavier enough to not psi link his team? It's a huge hinge point on where this battle goes. cuz if he doesn't then maybe Justice falls, but if he does, then maybe Aurora splats on his shield.

also: I am not sure Caliban would punch Skids. They were both Morlocks. He's such a child-like mind, I just wish UTV and Atombasher had picked someone else to finish off Sally. since it just involves a punch of a empathed Sally.

Does Sally's shield power stop light attacks? If so, then the lollipop team's flash idea doesn't dissorient them.


Things I liked:

* the Xavier psi-link close your eyes bit. Good stuff and I like the combo of powers.
* The murmur/Madame Web pre-cog use to get near lightbright. great use of combo powers on the team.

[Brian M.]

From what I know of M her telepathy isn't that strong so having her attack Xavier to me would be the equalivent of saying having a fly buzz around your head...it's annoying but really not gonna cause any distraction.

Now if Madame Web had attacked Xavier it might have caused a little bit of a delay but they didn't.

Also on the note of Caliban/Skids both are in battle against each other and it's not like Caliban is really gonna kill Skids, just knock her out. I would think Caliban would want to do it, that way he knows Skids won't get really hurt by someone like Whirlwind.

Also I don't believe Skids shields stop flashing light, or stop light...if that's the case then wouldn't sun light be blocked out? All light? So things would go pitch dark if there is no light coming into the retina's...which honestly would be a better result then Lightbright flashing (yes I know, funny haha) everyone.

[Atom_basher]

good strategies on both ends. Some questions for both groups

Do you think M's quick attack on slows down Xavier enough to not psi link his team? It's a huge hinge point on where this battle goes. cuz if he doesn't then maybe Justice falls, but if he does, then maybe Aurora splats on his shield.

I doubt it, when has M ever used a Telepathic attack worth squat? psi links are instant, and teh fact that Xavier is already ready to go defensive, (which the opposing team DID NOT predict at all) should help

also: I am not sure Caliban would punch Skids. They were both Morlocks. He's such a child-like mind, I just wish UTV and Atombasher had picked someone else to finish off Sally. since it just involves a punch of a empathed Sally.

Its not like he kills her, hre probably realizes with her shields up, she will be thrased, weighing his options (even with a child's mentality) im sure her would choose to safe his own hide, . also even if u dont believe Caliabn would harm her, she would be the last man standing against an entire team, a fight she woulndt win

Does Sally's shield power stop light attacks? If so, then the lollipop team's flash idea doesn't dissorient them.


If it did, it would negate her vision, which we know it doesn't, the flash effects her, and everyone in the shield

Things I liked:

* the Xavier psi-link close your eyes bit. Good stuff and I like the combo of powers.


thank you

[Brian M.]

For the record, Lightbright's light blasts aren't actually blasts they are just burst of insanely bright light. Like standing in front of a car and having someone turn the brights on 5 inches from your face.

[Atom_basher]

For the record, Lightbright's light blasts aren't actually blasts they are just burst of insanely bright light. Like standing in front of a car and having someone turn the brights on 5 inches from your face.

yeah, and i would say her flashes are a lot brighter than car lights

[The Lucky One]

This may be the toughest one to call so far, because as I see it, it all hinges on the opening few seconds. Both teams launched great opening gambits. If Aurora can reach Justice before his shields are up and take him out, Bri and Atom's strategy becomes a lot less feasible, but can she do it? As fast as she is, Aurora doesn't live her life in superspeed the way Quicksilver did; thus, she's still bounded by normal human reaction times, which means it'll take her at least 0.2 or 0.3 seconds to shift into super-speed mode. That would give Justice time to erect a shield... except he's being psi-attacked by Web, an excellent move by Mikl and Hi. But will Xavier have already shielded Justice, or will he be too preoccupied by M's telepathic assault to do that until it's too late?

Seriously- toughest one to call yet.

-D

[Atom_basher]

TLO we were prepared for any telepathic assaults, and im 100 percent sure Xavier could handle double defensive duty, i mean when can u ever recall M using a telepathic assault that would even do ANYTHING to xavier? The opposing team thought they would be forcing Xavier to going defensive, when from teh complete jump of the fight he already was.

hes already defensive, and should be able to handle it. and like u said, Aurora doesn't live in super speed, she wouldn't be across the field by the time Justice has her sheild up.

[The Lucky One]

Atom raises a good point- Mikl and Hi did defend against a theoretical psi-attack from Xavier, but the concentration they put into defense might keep them from being able to do anything to Justice. Definitely need to give this one more thought.

I will say this- while I don't think it would stop Whirlwind from doing it anyway, Xavier wouldn't be okay with him slashing someone's calf to ribbons so long as he didn't kill them. However, that doesn't mean Whirlwind wouldn't do it anyway.

-D

[Atom_basher]

Atom raises a good point- Mikl and Hi did defend against a theoretical psi-attack from Xavier, but the concentration they put into defense might keep them from being able to do anything to Justice. Definitely need to give this one more thought.


-D

exactly... they prepare for things they assumed Xavier would do, which he never does, we were very conservative with Xavier here, keeping him only defensive during phase one, where he could easily fend off the attacks from those 2.

[Brian M.]

Atom raises a good point- Mikl and Hi did defend against a theoretical psi-attack from Xavier, but the concentration they put into defense might keep them from being able to do anything to Justice. Definitely need to give this one more thought.

I will say this- while I don't think it would stop Whirlwind from doing it anyway, Xavier wouldn't be okay with him slashing someone's calf to ribbons so long as he didn't kill them. However, that doesn't mean Whirlwind wouldn't do it anyway.

-D

Well then Xavier gives him a talking too. We felt it was necessary to do that to Aurora since she is super fast and at the point of engaging. We figured that since Whirlwind is intercepting her and she might still be a lil disoriented from the flashing light he would have a a split second to attack her before she out ran him so we went for the slash.

[Frodo-X]

I voted for Asswhoopings and Lollipops. The first moments are key, and between Xavier being defensive and the shield not getting taken down for Aurora, I say it falls apart for the Amazons dot com after that.


One thing, though. Why didn't they hand out lollipops after the victory like they did last time? :D

[Brian M.]

I voted for Asswhoopings and Lollipops. The first moments are key, and between Xavier being defensive and the shield not getting taken down for Aurora, I say it falls apart for the Amazons dot com after that.


One thing, though. Why didn't they hand out lollipops after the victory like they did last time? :D

Sadly we let Caliban try and go get them...he had some mishaps at the store and well he came back empty handed. The team was busy strategizing and waited till the last minute. When Caliban got back we got teleported to the field.

[Mikl C]

Dude M has to maintain telepathic pressure on Xavier for <3 seconds. She will keep him occupied. I 100% believe she's capable of that. Whether Xavier was attacking or not, he will have to hold M off. FOR < 3 SECONDS.

[Mikl C]

This may be the toughest one to call so far, because as I see it, it all hinges on the opening few seconds. Both teams launched great opening gambits. If Aurora can reach Justice before his shields are up and take him out, Bri and Atom's strategy becomes a lot less feasible, but can she do it? As fast as she is, Aurora doesn't live her life in superspeed the way Quicksilver did; thus, she's still bounded by normal human reaction times, which means it'll take her at least 0.2 or 0.3 seconds to shift into super-speed mode. That would give Justice time to erect a shield... except he's being psi-attacked by Web, an excellent move by Mikl and Hi. But will Xavier have already shielded Justice, or will he be too preoccupied by M's telepathic assault to do that until it's too late?

Seriously- toughest one to call yet.

-D

xavier will NOT be able to shiled Justice, as M has him occupied. Without mental shielding Justice goes down. And 0.2 second reaction time coupled by insane speedster acceleration still equals a miniscule amount of time. Web could get to Justice for it.

[Mikl C]

Wait, you slashed Aurora's tendons? Why? She's freaking flying. And a speedster. No way would Whirlwind get her, dazzle blast regardless. Besides, Lightbright has her own problems.

[Atom_basher]

xavier will NOT be able to shiled Justice, as M has him occupied. Without mental shielding Justice goes down. And 0.2 second reaction time coupled by insane speedster acceleration still equals a miniscule amount of time. Web could get to Justice for it.

heres where you're amazingly wrong, M doesnt have the telepathic power to even blip Xavier, Xavier can easily shield justice and deal with a telepathic novice like M. i mean this is xavier, the man who dealt with shadow king. and telepathically contacted Galactus. M is NOTHING to him. M will not be able to occupy Xavier no matter how u try to argue she can. infact give me an example of M using her telepathy offensively. ill say it again Xavier can fend Web and M at the same time

[Mikl C]

Wow. Contacting Galactus. M's powers are perfection. She can distract him for this length of time. And Xavier has to shield Justice and himself from 2 different Psychic attacks. They don't need to cripple him, just keep him occupied. Which they will do.

[Mineralogy]

I think the issue here isn't whether M could go toe-to-toe with Xavier in a prolonged, or even momentary, telepathic battle; it's just whether her initial assault would be enough to disrupt Xavier establishing his full-team psi-shield/linking. In that manner I think having Xavier on defensive actually undermines things.

The impression I get is that as the starter's gun goes off and both teams spring into action, Xavier begins to raise telepathic defenses. At the same time, M makes a psychic bee-line straight for Xavier's brain. Since these events are basically simultaneous, Xavier "stumbles" for a split-second at the unexpectedly direct mental attack. Assuming the Amazons.com are well-coordinated, Madame Web would be gunning for Justice at the same time, and Xavier's psychic "flinch" should give her the brief moment she needs to nettle his noodle. From there, things fall apart for poor Whoopins & Lollipops.

This, in combination with the gratification of Empath being mauled by a squirrel and Molly wearing the bunny hat, causes me to put my bets in Mikl C and Hi-Fi's corner. But I must say that both strategies were very well-planned. :D

[Atom_basher]

Wow. Contacting Galactus. M's powers are perfection. She can distract him for this length of time. And Xavier has to shield Justice and himself from 2 different Psychic attacks. They don't need to cripple him, just keep him occupied. Which they will do.

contacting galactus is nothing to scoff at, he is a cosmic being of incalculable power, who was in outer space of the time xavier contacted him, others minds would have went into shamble trying to do the same. and stating that her powers are perfection mean bunk, unless she has feats to back up her telepathic prowess perfection is just a word here. unless u show an example of her using her powers in an offensive manner thaat would make xavier even take notice the fact stands that xavier could defend against the 2.


seriously, show examples of M EVER using her TP offensively, let alone anything that would make xavier "stumble" its like saying thunderbird could make hulk "stumble" both have super strength, but hulks is so far and beyond Thunderbird's its negligible

I think the issue here isn't whether M could go toe-to-toe with Xavier in a prolonged, or even momentary, telepathic battle; it's just whether her initial assault would be enough to disrupt Xavier establishing his full-team psi-shield/linking. In that manner I think having Xavier on defensive actually undermines things.

and what we are saying is M has NEVER shown the offensive TP know how to make xavier feel it

The impression I get is that as the starter's gun goes off and both teams spring into action, Xavier begins to raise telepathic defenses. At the same time, M makes a psychic bee-line straight for Xavier's brain. Since these events are basically simultaneous, Xavier "stumbles" for a split-second at the
You give M A MONUMENTAL amount of credit here, she doesnt have what it takes to make Xavier stumble

unexpectedly direct mental attack. Assuming the Amazons.com are well-coordinated, Madame Web would be gunning for Justice at the same time, and Xavier's psychic "flinch" should give her the brief moment she needs to nettle his noodle. From there, things fall apart for poor Whoopins & Lollipops.


UNEXPECTED? are u kidding me, we expected them going offensive with TP, we even bring it up. hence having xavier going defensive. and saying that Xavier going defensive undermines anything is silly, and you know it, hes bracing for anything that may come his teams way instead of being caught off guard while he is trying to attack.

[Mikl C]

.. I think Thunderbird could make Hulk stumble. And the very fact M has telepathy means it can be used offensively. As a distraction in this case.
Besides, this isn't a contest of power. I think our team was used more creatively in other ways beyond the opening.

[Tre Styles]

Hmm, very tough to call. I do remember Emma teaching M how to use a psi-like lighting strike before (GenX #12 or 13....somewhere around there), but I'm not sure she's ever used it in the comics. But she does have knowledge of how to do one. But I doubt she'd be able to hold Xavier for long. Although he's not attacking at first in this strat, he's on the defensive, so it's a tough call. In the first strat, it says the Xavier is psi-linking the team. Is this to protect them from psi-attacks, or for the team to pass information to them? It reads like they are mind sharing info, such as "close your eyes". Yet, even with a psi-lighting strike, Xavier is a lot more powerful than M, but she's just there to distract him.....but the AWLOP's do prepare for a combined M/Madame Web attack.....Also, I think Aurora is underestimated as well. But both teams were very creative in their strategies

[Atom_basher]

.. I think Thunderbird could make Hulk stumble. And the very fact M has telepathy means it can be used offensively. As a distraction in this case.
Besides, this isn't a contest of power. I think our team was used more creatively in other ways beyond the opening.

Lets be honest thunderbird couldn't make hulk stumble. and just because she has TP does NOT mean she can use it as a powerful offensive tool, because around here, we rely on feats, which she lacks in that department, you aren't proving anything by making blanket statements,

creativity means NOTHING if it just doesn't work, hell we could have Xavier have lightbright flash light off his bright head to destroy your team, creative? very. would it work, oh hell no.

Btw TRE emma didnt teach M that attack, she used it on her when she was kicking generation X's asses. i remember the issue, I'm 1000000000 percent sure emma didn't teach her how to do it

[Mikl C]

My point was that feasibility and creativity should be what votes are based on not XAVIER PWNS LOL.

[Atom_basher]

My point was that feasibility and creativity should be what votes are based on not XAVIER PWNS LOL.

uh, who ever said Xavier PWNS all, we used him VERY conservatively so dont turn this into a "they think they are so good because they have Xavier" sort of thing. what im doing is stating feats of a character who has been PROVEN to be powerful, and you use, "She hurts him because shes perfect" type defenses, now who is the one who is trying to get votes based solely on the characters they have and not how they are used?


M has NEVER been shown to use her TP offensively, Why? because she doesn't use them. hheck with her other powers she never needs, to, HELL when psylocke fought shadowking and all the telepaths on earth lost their powers. the members of GEN X didn't even realize she lost her TP because they forgot she even had TP.

heres an analogy, if i dont walk for 10 years, ever, then one day try to walk ya know what? im gonna suck at it, because ill be out of practice and not at all conditioned for it, do i know how to walk, yeah, CAN i walk, probably, would i be any good at it, not a chance

[Tre Styles]

Btw TRE emma didnt teach M that attack, she used it on her when she was kicking generation X's asses. i remember the issue, I'm 1000000000 percent sure emma didn't teach her how to do it

lol. This is true. But I'm sure I remember her saying, "Let me teach you a little something" and then used it on her. I think that M could've remembered how it was done, but regardless, M's never fought anyone like that (although she did break free of Adrianne's mental mind game before), and I think that your strategy is sounder, as I've come to the conclusion that Xavier pwns. ;)

[Atom_basher]

lol. This is true. But I'm sure I remember her saying, "Let me teach you a little something" and then used it on her. I think that M could've remembered how it was done, but regardless, M's never fought anyone like that (although she did break free of Adrianne's mental mind game before), and I think that your strategy is sounder, as I've come to the conclusion that Xavier pwns. ;)


oh no, dont u start with that now :p

[Brian M.]

My point was that feasibility and creativity should be what votes are based on not XAVIER PWNS LOL.

We don't have Xavier owns all. We hold back Xavier quite a bit here because we felt we'd probably be punished if we didn't.
Also it's not like Xavier doesn't have formidable psyhic defenses already in his head, the man is the top telepath on the planet. She won't be able to distract him for 3 seconds. I can sit there and punch a brick wall all day long but it won't make a dent in it, M can attack Xavier all day long but I don't think she pulls him away from shielding Justice and the rest of the team.

[Tre Styles]

oh no, dont u start with that now :p

just a bit of teasin' is all.;) You're strategy was really, really good.

[The Fury]

Good strategies both,

few starting points, Aurora lost her incredible speed long ago in exchange for other powers, including flashes of light produced on her own and the dematerialisation of object.

But then her and Northstar cannot go at the speed of light due to wind resistance and the presure it puts on their bodies.

Also, I do not believe that in any form Lightbright can defeat Squirrel Girl.

[Brian M.]

Good strategies both,

few starting points, Aurora lost her incredible speed long ago in exchange for other powers, including flashes of light produced on her own and the dematerialisation of object.

But then her and Northstar cannot go at the speed of light due to wind resistance and the presure it puts on their bodies.

Also, I do not believe that in any form Lightbright can defeat Squirrel Girl.

Why not?

She's flying above Squirrel Girl and over loading the little rodent with heat...overheating her and letting the furry female pass out. What's not feasible?

[The Fury]

Why not?

She's flying above Squirrel Girl and over loading the little rodent with heat...overheating her and letting the furry female pass out. What's not feasible?
Dude, it's Squirrel Girl.

:D

[Brian M.]

Dude, it's Squirrel Girl.

:D




Uh-huh...and?

[The Fury]

Uh-huh...and?

Fine...but still....


....

[Brian M.]

Fine...but still....


....

Your gonna make me run out into the street blindfolded aren't yea?

[The Fury]

Your gonna make me run out into the street blindfolded aren't yea?

And naked, yeah.

[xakko]

I have difficulty seeing Xavier as being able to multi-task this effectively.

He's not the warrior that his students are, being out of combat practice for long stretches while he's cooped up in the mansion. Generally when he's able to walk and is thrown into battle, he's not nearly as good as the rest of the X-men.

I buy Mikl and Hi-Fi's opening gambit distracting him long enough.

[The Lucky One]

Dude, it's Squirrel Girl.

:D

That's pretty much my reaction too... except, well, in the opposite direction.
:rolleyes:

-D

[Brian M.]

I have difficulty seeing Xavier as being able to multi-task this effectively.

He's not the warrior that his students are, being out of combat practice for long stretches while he's cooped up in the mansion. Generally when he's able to walk and is thrown into battle, he's not nearly as good as the rest of the X-men.

I buy Mikl and Hi-Fi's opening gambit distracting him long enough.

What do you mean multi tasking...he does two things this whole strategy and the second thing he does is well after the opening move.

He is providing psi-defense for the team...when they start there psi-attack he just has to defend himself against a low, low level telepath and Justice against Madame Web. How is that stretching it?

[xakko]

What do you mean multi tasking...he does two things this whole strategy and the second thing he does is well after the opening move.

He is providing psi-defense for the team...when they start there psi-attack he just has to defend himself against a low, low level telepath and Justice against Madame Web. How is that stretching it?

because i'm of the opinion that the wider you stretch a shield, the more vulnerable it is to a quick, concentrated strike.

i'm trying to think of examples where he's kept the entire team psi-shielded since Magneto messed up the magnetosphere to hinder telepathic ability. we know he didn't bother to help those two SHIELD agents against the Shadow King. granted, that's a high end opponent...

do you have something where he protects a large group from a telepathic assault?

[Brian M.]

because i'm of the opinion that the wider you stretch a shield, the more vulnerable it is to a quick, concentrated strike.

i'm trying to think of examples where he's kept the entire team psi-shielded since Magneto messed up the magnetosphere to hinder telepathic ability. we know he didn't bother to help those two SHIELD agents against the Shadow King. granted, that's a high end opponent...

do you have something where he protects a large group from a telepathic assault?

Not off the top of my head, but it's not like he's shielding them from the combined assult of say Jean and Emma, it's M and Madame Web.

[caney]

I'm still trying to come up with who to vote for...

I can see the opening moves going either way, so I guess, for me it's going to come down to the rest of the strategies. First, I think Xavier will be able to take out Madame Web, as he'll see past her "playing dead". The Molly/Skids move would take out Pulse. I don't think Whirlwind would be able to move quick enough to take out Aurora, so I think Aurora would get him first. Lightbright fries Squirrel Girl, but M takes out Lightbright...

Gah, I'm going in circles here. It's a close battle for me. I've spent way too much time reading this thread not to vote so I'm just gonna go with my gut and vote for Amazons dot com.

(By the way, I love how Mikl/Hi-Fi's use of bolded words in the attacking part of their strategy made it easy to read back through and pick out the key actions.)

[sephirothskiller]

Voted for the Amazons, here's why:

1) Thought that AW&L had a strategy which depended on X and Justice doing too many things. Don't know if M would be taken down by Justice.
2) The whole "Lightbright" move wouldn't work. They can close their eyes as much as they want, a measly flap of skin over the eyes wouldn't shield them from Lightbright at such close range. Especially if from approx 100 meters away she is supposed to be blinding the other team. Since she's outside the shield she would be taken down anyway. Either by the Invulnerable M, or Aurora.

3) Amazons.com used easy to read bolded words and fought more creatively in my opinion.

[Atom_basher]

Voted for the Amazons, here's why:

1) Thought that AW&L had a strategy which depended on X and Justice doing too many things. Don't know if M would be taken down by Justice.
2) The whole "Lightbright" move wouldn't work. They can close their eyes as much as they want, a measly flap of skin over the eyes wouldn't shield them from Lightbright at such close range. Especially if from approx 100 meters away she is supposed to be blinding the other team. Since she's outside the shield she would be taken down anyway. Either by the Invulnerable M, or Aurora.

3) Amazons.com used easy to read bolded words and fought more creatively in my opinion.

I dont think u read through the whole strategy, Justice doesnt Defeate M he thrashes the hell out of her until the psycho active virus takes her down

[Atom_basher]

I'm still trying to come up with who to vote for...

I can see the opening moves going either way, so I guess, for me it's going to come down to the rest of the strategies. First, I think Xavier will be able to take out Madame Web, as he'll see past her "playing dead". The Molly/Skids move would take out Pulse. I don't think Whirlwind would be able to move quick enough to take out Aurora, so I think Aurora would get him first. Lightbright fries Squirrel Girl, but M takes out Lightbright...

Gah, I'm going in circles here. It's a close battle for me. I've spent way too much time reading this thread not to vote so I'm just gonna go with my gut and vote for Amazons dot com.

(By the way, I love how Mikl/Hi-Fi's use of bolded words in the attacking part of their strategy made it easy to read back through and pick out the key actions.)


You gotta remember that lightbright has blinded the opposing tea,, theya re fighting blind, that gives us a HUGE leg up

[Atom_basher]

I have difficulty seeing Xavier as being able to multi-task this effectively.

He's not the warrior that his students are, being out of combat practice for long stretches while he's cooped up in the mansion. Generally when he's able to walk and is thrown into battle, he's not nearly as good as the rest of the X-men.

I buy Mikl and Hi-Fi's opening gambit distracting him long enough.

multi-tasking, um eing defensive all of Phase is then switching to offensive is multi tasking. seriously?

[Brian M.]

Ok I don't get this, we do less w/ Xavier and Justice and you guys tell us we're doing to much?

I don't get it. Everything is balanced in our strategy, we don't rely on one person for our opening move, we spread the love to all team members yet again, this match we get called for "doing to much".

Xavier has the strongest mutant mind on the planet, him defending against a low level telepath and a medium at best telepath is not gonna be hard. This is a man who took on the Shadow King when he was younger and won.

Justice is considered a power telekentic and yet all we do with him is shield our team and float them over. After that it's shield him and Xavier and smash on M. How is that too much?

Are we being punished for picking good, powerful players?

[Jessica Drew]

I think UTVol8102 (& Atom_Basher)'s team trumps the dotcommers. I think the former's opening moves counter exactly what the Amazons are trying to do. Having Xavier focusing strictly on mind-linking on psi-defense makes it plausible that he could hold back M & Web's attack long enough for Justice to get his shield up and rolling.

[Brian M.]

Voted for the Amazons, here's why:

1) Thought that AW&L had a strategy which depended on X and Justice doing too many things. Don't know if M would be taken down by Justice.
2) The whole "Lightbright" move wouldn't work. They can close their eyes as much as they want, a measly flap of skin over the eyes wouldn't shield them from Lightbright at such close range. Especially if from approx 100 meters away she is supposed to be blinding the other team. Since she's outside the shield she would be taken down anyway. Either by the Invulnerable M, or Aurora.

3) Amazons.com used easy to read bolded words and fought more creatively in my opinion.

This isn't about fighting creatively it's about having a feasible strategy that can be backed up with actually things the characters have done.

[Atom_basher]

I havent seen anyone post ONE example of M using her TP offensively, which his strat hinges on, theres nothing M could do to Xavier with her TP that Xavier coudnt fend off



I think UTVol8102 (& Atom_Basher)'s team trumps the dotcommers. I think the former's opening moves counter exactly what the Amazons are trying to do. Having Xavier focusing strictly on mind-linking on psi-defense makes it plausible that he could hold back M & Web's attack long enough for Justice to get his shield up and rolling.


thank you for seeing it how it really is, i dont understand how what we did coudl be considered doing too much, when we were very conservative, and also we countered PERFECTLY yet people arent seeing it that way for whatever reason

[Atom_basher]

Voted for the Amazons, here's why:

1) Thought that AW&L had a strategy which depended on X and Justice doing too many things. Don't know if M would be taken down by Justice.
2) The whole "Lightbright" move wouldn't work. They can close their eyes as much as they want, a measly flap of skin over the eyes wouldn't shield them from Lightbright at such close range. Especially if from approx 100 meters away she is supposed to be blinding the other team. Since she's outside the shield she would be taken down anyway. Either by the Invulnerable M, or Aurora.

3) Amazons.com used easy to read bolded words and fought more creatively in my opinion.


actually we say they close and COVER their eyes, thats closing eyes and covering eyes with hands. and next time we will bold our words, do a rainbow colored font and males the words as big as they can be for extra oomph, thatsll surely make our strat better

[Jessica Drew]

actually we say they close and COVER their eyes, thats closing eyes and covering eyes with hands. and next time we will bold our words, do a rainbow colored font and males the words as big as they can be for extra oomph, thatsll surely make our strat better

Freudian slip?

[Atom_basher]

Freudian slip?

no, the males will get the female votes. :D

but yeah next time we will use bold font, because that will make our strategy 20 times better

[xakko]

This isn't about fighting creatively it's about having a feasible strategy that can be backed up with actually things the characters have done.
and your example of Xavier defending a whole team while he himself is under telepathic attack is from what issue? (post Magneto f'ing up the magnetosphere and weakening his TP, of course)

didn't someone say that Emma taught M a telepathic attack? being the "perfect mutant", it is reasonable that she would grasp the concept.

I haven't read much Gen X, but I've read a lot of X-men, and I've seen Xavier get punked by people he should be able to handle. A lot. Even by street kids.

I just think that a widespread shield would be especially vulnerable to a very quick, pointed attack. Even Xavier, who's power levels vary wildly.

[Atom_basher]

and your example of Xavier defending a whole team while he himself is under telepathic attack is from what issue? (post Magneto f'ing up the magnetosphere and weakening his TP, of course)

didn't someone say that Emma taught M a telepathic attack? being the "perfect mutant", it is reasonable that she would grasp the concept.

I haven't read much Gen X, but I've read a lot of X-men, and I've seen Xavier get punked by people he should be able to handle. A lot. Even by street kids.

I just think that a widespread shield would be especially vulnerable to a very quick, pointed attack. Even Xavier, who's power levels vary wildly.

Xakko you obviously have been ignoring my replies which defeats the purpose of me even defending our srat, EMMA DID NOT TEACH M THAT ATTACK, i have the issue, Emma Frost was kicking the asses of Gen X and used that attack on M, saying she is "perfect" is a silly way to say she learne dthat attack. weve never sen M use a TP attack offensively yet u are arguing that she could hurt xavier at all. its silly how much people are trying to downgrade Xavier. saying M could mentally hurt him

[Brian M.]

and your example of Xavier defending a whole team while he himself is under telepathic attack is from what issue? (post Magneto f'ing up the magnetosphere and weakening his TP, of course)

didn't someone say that Emma taught M a telepathic attack? being the "perfect mutant", it is reasonable that she would grasp the concept.

I haven't read much Gen X, but I've read a lot of X-men, and I've seen Xavier get punked by people he should be able to handle. A lot. Even by street kids.

I just think that a widespread shield would be especially vulnerable to a very quick, pointed attack. Even Xavier, who's power levels vary wildly.


It's always been stated, handbooks, websites that M has limited telepathy. You can punch the Hulk but that doesn't mean he's gonna feel it. All of a sudden Xavier is a novice?

[The Lucky One]

Ultimately, I have to go with Bri and Atom. Both great, great strategies, both teams really brought their A-game this match. In the end, I just think Xavier has the juice and the experience to shield his team from M and Web both for a few seconds (he fought the Phoenix to a standstill once, the guy's no scrub), and that buys the time Justice needs. Even after that it's a bit of a toss-up, both groups plotted out great stuff, but the Ass Whoopins et al. strategy just seemed a wee bit tighter. Still, dynamite match on both sides, seriously.

-D

[Gene M.]

This was a good one. I had to go with UTV and Atom_Basher, though.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

As always, i do this only on the basis of initial strategies. If someone forgot a certain aspect or didnt defend against a move in the strategy effectively there is no going back, so to speak. I see these as basically game plans the teams follow into battle. If it fails, then i will assume the characters will take the next logical action.

Also, i do this as i go through the strategy, so i dont know who will win yet.

Phase 1.

* I see no way Justice could get his field up before Aurora could get to him. Granted she starts standing still. However As most speedsters she can travel around the speed of sound level although she could theoretically go faster, however lets assume speed of sound. So essentially it boils down to can someone yell something before Justice gets his shield up? And i think absolutely that is the case. If it were someone more experienced then perhaps not, but justice has always seemed borderline incompetent to me. Didnt he accidentally kill his dad? Nice buddy. So Aurora french fries his ass. No TK shield. A large chunk of Lollipops opening salvo is shut down. Throw in the Madame web assault, which should temporarily slap him before Xavier can protect him

*As Xavier is powerful, his psi-link and team protection should go through. However it seems logical it would take more time to protect many people than simply attack one. As such Madame Web kicks Justice once in the teeth before Xavier can do anything. However with M mentally attacking Xavier he will be, at least for a few moments, an invalid. Im not essessively familiar with M's telepathic abilities, but it has been shown time and time again that a weaker telepath can hurt a stronger one. The attack aspect seems to be the more honed skill or some such. Even powerful telepaths defense isnt that sure. But Xavier knows many tricks and should eventually deal with M. However once Xavier knocks Web off Justice, and after Justice gets plowed, she will join in the battle. Now i think a theoritical beat down could happen looking simply at power levels. But Xavier is vastly experienced and should still come out on top.

*Since Xavier relied on Justice to take Aurora out of the fight, and he couldnt, he leaves himself exposed and is taken down as well, but not before Lightbright can get a blinding flash in. Unlike others so far who can act instantly he/she had to wait for the telepathic okay to use its power. This effectively blinds the amazons. If only temporarily. I suspect it could even get Aurora, but not before her trajectory is set. I suspect she rams into the wheelchair at a high speed, flops over it, and lands on the earth floor pretty hard.


Here's the standings as of this moment

Lollipops: Empath, Caliban, Pulse, Lightbright, Whirlwind

Amazons: M, Madame Web, Bruiser, Skids, Squirrel Girl, Murmer 3
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Phase 2

*Madame Web moans and falls out of her chair unopposed. This is all going on so fast and the Lollipops had their eyes closed so it would be an easy sell.

*Empath loves Skids up but as i suspect skids would have been powered down when Brusier chucks her, and then power up, Brusier would be oblivious and still throw her ass. Emapth's loving was for not as Skids hits Pulse, laying them both out. This is one instance where inexperience strangely works in the inexperienced's favor.

*Tippy Toes is chucked into Empath's face, but im pretty sure that will kill Tippy Toes at the distance we're talking (if they are far enough away to not be affected by emotion powers). So instead of having to fight off a squirrel, he just gets beaned in the head with a squirrel. He will still probably be disoriented. Maybe more so. I mean who throws squirrels?

*Whirlwind would start to pursue Aurora, but as she is unconscious he can give up that hunt pretty quick. As he would be beginning to look for a target the chair smashed into him would be a good distraction in my opinion. It seems he will engage M.

*Lightbright starts to attack Squirrel Girl, but this makes Madame Web show her hand and engage her, saving Squirell Girl

*Caliban however takes out Murmer before she can take overe lightbright.


Current Standings

Lollipops: Empath, Caliban, Lightbright (although since Murmer is out she will dispatched in seconds in phase 3), Whirlwind

Amazons: M, Madae Web, Brusier, Squirrel Girl

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Phase 3




* Madame Web realizes Murmer is out of the fight and drops Lite-bright.

* Since Whirlwind is basically outclassed by M, she should be able to take him out no problem conventionally.

* Although Madame Web saved Squirrel Girl, she was phased. Enough time for Empath to get to her. Ahhhh Shit. They got Squirrel girl now!

Current Standings

Lollipops: Empath, Caliban, Squirrel Girl

Amazons: M, Madame Web, Bruiser


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Phase 4

* As Empath isnt a complete idiot he will send Squirrel Girl after Madame Web, she is useless against the other two. Madame Web would go immediately for Empath, trying to break the hold he has on Squirrel Girl before the asskick she is about to receive. And i suspect she will be able to take Empath out, but not in time to save herself before getting her teeth kicked in by SG.

* Squirrel Girl, emotionally distraught, is busy trying to wake up/ apologize to Madame Web.

* Its Brusier and M against Caliban. Although he has Bruiser beat, M should make little work of him.



Final Standings

Amazons: M, Squirrel Girl.


this was surprisingly more of an M show that Squirrel Girl. Shocking indeed. But thats how it plays out

[Mikl C]

Loves it Brian. Well thought out and fairly presented. I agree.
And dudes, stop being so petty. If people like the way I presented my startegy because it's easier to read then that's their prerogative. It's easier to understand and breaks it down better. And creativity has to come into play or this whole thing would be boring and the most powerful team would win by default. Boring.

[Brian M.]

Loves it Brian. Well thought out and fairly presented. I agree.
And dudes, stop being so petty. If people like the way I presented my startegy because it's easier to read then that's their prerogative. It's easier to understand and breaks it down better. And creativity has to come into play or this whole thing would be boring and the most powerful team would win by default. Boring.

No ones being petty, but when the reason someone votes is b/c you have bolded words, I think that's a lil lame.

You have a great strategy, noone's being petty.

[The Lucky One]

* I see no way Justice could get his field up before Aurora could get to him. Granted she starts standing still. However As most speedsters she can travel around the speed of sound level although she could theoretically go faster, however lets assume speed of sound. So essentially it boils down to can someone yell something before Justice gets his shield up? And i think absolutely that is the case. If it were someone more experienced then perhaps not, but justice has always seemed borderline incompetent to me. Didnt he accidentally kill his dad? Nice buddy.

Not to defend either team, but honestly more the character... Justice is a long way from incompetent, Vash. True, he did kill his father... who was beating him again at the time, so he lashed out. But the prosecutor's whole case rested on whether Justice COULD have stopped his father without killing him, which she proved was the case when she shot a "gun" at him in court and he caught the gun, "bang" flag, and even all the smoke from the shot on instinct, all at once. Yeah, he did screw up with what happened to his dad, but he's hardly incompetent; that was years ago and he's been an Avenger since.

-D

[Atom_basher]

the degree to which Justice and Xaviuer are being underestimated are amazing, Justice is one of the best telekentic users in marvel, using examples of when he was inexperienced pre avengers days are saddening

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

I have nothing against the players, your stategy was flawed in that it put too much into the light show and not enough into taking out the real threat, aurora. To think Professor Xavier can set up all these different and complex things simultaneously seems far fetched. Its all about reaction times. The idea he can setup a mind link with 6 people, defend himself against M and defend Justice against madame web all within the millisecond it takes before Aurora plows him in infeasible. If instead of setting up the mindlink for the mostly useless flash of light, Xavier immediately stopped Aurora you would have won, and you would have won in a matter of seconds probably without losing a single member of your team. But because of the superlative actions in your strategy it didnt play out like that.

These things are rarely about the most powerful, but the person who has the best tactics. Just like batman, it's all in the prep time

[Mariah]

Aurora(and Northstar) can fly at Mach 10, which is like ten times the speed of sound. That's pretty fricken fast.

[Atom_basher]

I have nothing against the players, your stategy was flawed in that it put too much into the light show and not enough into taking out the real threat, aurora. To think Professor Xavier can set up all these different and complex things simultaneously seems far fetched. Its all about reaction times. The idea he can setup a mind link with 6 people, defend himself against M and defend Justice against madame web all within the millisecond it takes before Aurora plows him in infeasible. If instead of setting up the mindlink for the mostly useless flash of light, Xavier immediately stopped Aurora you would have won, and you would have won in a matter of seconds probably without losing a single member of your team. But because of the superlative actions in your strategy it didnt play out like that.

These things are rarely about the most powerful, but the person who has the best tactics. Just like batman, it's all in the prep time

Brian how are psi defenses complex Xavier, Xavier once psi linked THE PLANET and has been doing them FOR YEARS and defending minds, and you say we put too much emphasis in the light show, but IT WAS NEVER DEFENDED AGAINST, and you try ti make justice out to be a rank amatuer, he was an avenger and proved his worth MANY Times stop trying to make our strat seem worse than it really was, because we were VERY conservative with our use of Xavier, the man who fought shadowking and won, fought pheonix to a standstill, destroyed a sentinel with telepathic energy ALONE, i mean really. were losing votes, yet Miki is giving NO evidence that M could even conjure a mental attack

this is Bull


Aurora(and Northstar) can fly at Mach 10, which is like ten times the speed of sound. That's pretty fricken fast.

They dont live in super speed Mariah, and mach 10 isnt faster than the speed of THOUGH which justice can erect his sheilds

[Mikl C]

M is telepathic. She can channel her thoughts. She is spending 3 seconds foucsing her entire will on getting to Xavier. Even screaming in someone's head for 3 seconds is enough to distract them. Madame Web is a different telepath, and is focusing on a different person. Xavier has too much to do, and in the instant he's distracted, Justice is out.

[Atom_basher]

M is telepathic. She can channel her thoughts. She is spending 3 seconds foucsing her entire will on getting to Xavier. Even screaming in someone's head for 3 seconds is enough to distract them. Madame Web is a different telepath, and is focusing on a different person. Xavier has too much to do, and in the instant he's distracted, Justice is out.

WAIT WAIT M is focusing 3 seconds on a psi bolt?

so wouldn't that mean xavier would DEFINITELY be able to defend against web no problem? then after those 3 seconds it takes M to try to psibolt then defend that bolt?

you just dug a hole for yourself.... too bad everyone refuses to see any of our arguments

[Mariah]

M just did in X-Factor 4. Sure, it wasn't a psi-bolt or anything, but she mentally attacked someone. And being a former student of Emma Frost's, and the only student who had telepathy, you just have to assume she was taught different things to do with her telepathy. It just happened off panel. It's not like they had tons of issues where they were taking 'classes'. Heck, until Jean got Phoenix, she hardly ever used her telepathy. And she seemed very weak at using it.

And while they may not live in superspeed, it's not like Justice is all that great of a tactician. During his Avengers days, Firestar seemed to be the more competent of the two.

[Atom_basher]

M just did in X-Factor 4. Sure, it wasn't a psi-bolt or anything, but she mentally attacked someone. And being a former student of Emma Frost's, and the only student who had telepathy, you just have to assume she was taught different things to do with her telepathy. It just happened off panel. It's not like they had tons of issues where they were taking 'classes'. Heck, until Jean got Phoenix, she hardly ever used her telepathy. And she seemed very weak at using it.

And while they may not live in superspeed, it's not like Justice is all that great of a tactician. During his Avengers days, Firestar seemed to be the more competent of the two.


She mentally attacked someone that person wasn't Xavier, he wouldn't even notice a mental attack from her

and what does being a tactician have to do with thinking "shield" and having a shield appear" he has shown MANY times where his shields have proven to be amazing durable and instant

[Mikl C]

WAIT WAIT M is focusing 3 seconds on a psi bolt?

so wouldn't that mean xavier would DEFINITELY be able to defend against web no problem? then after those 3 seconds it takes M to try to psibolt then defend that bolt?

you just dug a hole for yourself.... too bad everyone refuses to see any of our arguments

I have no idea what you're even trying to say here.
Web jabs Justice, Justice is down withing seconds. Web joins in the brain fun and then Xavier is out. How is that a hole? It's exactly what I said in my original strategy. And people aren't seeing your arguments because maybe they agree with the fact that my strategy is better?

[Mikl C]

And Xavier has spread his mental defense across ALL your team. Leaving him more open than normal. And that shield is under attack from two fronts, as Madame Web is attacking from a different location.

[Atom_basher]

I have no idea what you're even trying to say here.
Web jabs Justice, Justice is down withing seconds. Web joins in the brain fun and then Xavier is out. How is that a hole? It's exactly what I said in my original strategy. And people aren't seeing your arguments because maybe they agree with the fact that my strategy is better?

EXACTLY, you said that M takes 3 seconds to create a mental attack, and webs is instant, which means these 2 attacks DID NOT happen at the same time, which means xavier could have easily thwarted webs attack, at the beginning of the match, and then 3 seconds later EASILY thwarted a mental attack from M (which lets be honest xavier would scoff at) he never had to even stretch his attention the way you explained it

And Xavier has spread his mental defense across ALL your team. Leaving him more open than normal. And that shield is under attack from two fronts, as Madame Web is attacking from a different location.


and thats not how psi links work my friend, psi links essentially link the minds, and make all minds 1, so if they are attacking the linked mind, its as if they are attacking Xavier, he isnt streching anything

[Mikl C]

What? M's attack is instant. It only has to last for 3 seconds was my point. You completely mis-read that.

[Mikl C]

M is telepathic. She can channel her thoughts. She is spending 3 seconds foucsing her entire will on getting to Xavier. Even screaming in someone's head for 3 seconds is enough to distract them. Madame Web is a different telepath, and is focusing on a different person. Xavier has too much to do, and in the instant he's distracted, Justice is out.

That doesn't mean what you assumed.

[Atom_basher]

What? M's attack is instant. It only has to last for 3 seconds was my point. You completely mis-read that.

so you honestly can tell me straight up, u think M could mentally stall Xavier to the point where he has to focus ALL his effort on her?

[Mikl C]

For 3 seconds? Yes.

[The Lucky One]

And while they may not live in superspeed, it's not like Justice is all that great of a tactician. During his Avengers days, Firestar seemed to be the more competent of the two.

They did Cannonball him a little in the Avengers, but he was a perfectly capable and competent leader of the New Warriors.

-D

[Mitsaso]

Guys! Guys, don't fight in front of the children! :(
You make my eyes teary...:(

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Brian how are psi defenses complex Xavier, Xavier once psi linked THE PLANET and has been doing them FOR YEARS and defending minds, and you say we put too much emphasis in the light show, but IT WAS NEVER DEFENDED AGAINST, and you try ti make justice out to be a rank amatuer, he was an avenger and proved his worth MANY Times stop trying to make our strat seem worse than it really was, because we were VERY conservative with our use of Xavier, the man who fought shadowking and won, fought pheonix to a standstill, destroyed a sentinel with telepathic energy ALONE, i mean really. were losing votes, yet Miki is giving NO evidence that M could even conjure a mental attack

this is Bull






You are missing the entire point, well, entirely. Im not saying he couldnt do it. Im saying he doesnt have enough time to do it.

Social experiment

Think the following

"Psi-Link"
"protect justice from attack"
"protect self from attack"

Now imagine someone shoots at you just as you start. Do you honestly think you have time to think all that before that bullet hits you? No freakin' way.

And quite honestly this display of poor sportsmanship is probably going to lose you votes. Go look in the Lucky One vs Venuscameback thread for classy play. I voted for Venuscameback as i recall, and TLO didnt start trying to be condesending, he didnt agree with one point in how i saw the fight, and that was perfectly fine.

but HE didnt RANDOMLY capitalize words to TRY to YELL his points ACROSS and LOOK like a JACKASS

[Brian M.]

So all of a sudden Xavier and Justice are novices with their powers?

Seriously...what kind of logic is this? We countered everything he did perfectly, Justice can't up a shield w/ Xavier defending him?

Since when did M become better at the telepath thing than Xavier?

Do you folks who are calling Justice incomptent even know anything about him? Or are we just voting becuase M and Squirrel Girl are just so cute?

[Brian M.]

Also when the other team is mindlinked they don't have to go through Xavier to communicate with each other. In the lastest issue of Uncanny Alex talks to Lorna through the mindlink that Rachel did. It seems to cause her no extra stress while she was using her TK to help hold the engines together. So Xavier mindlinking and defending against a small psi attack from M and Madame Web shouldn't have been that big of a problem either.

[Brian M.]

Good Match Mikl C. Obviously we need to revaluate how we use Xavier and Justice. Good luck in the rest of the tournament.

Looks like we're getting a rematch with Tre.

[mattbib]

Congratulations Mikl C & Hi-Fi! You'll continue in the upper bracket, facing the winner of this AM's Game 10 next Monday morning, while UTVol8102 & Atom_Basher drop to the lower bracket where they'll face the winner of tomorrow afternoon's PM Game L5:L6 (Mariah vs. The Fury) next Wednesday afternoon.

[Brian M.]

Oh cool, I thought we'd be playing Tre next.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

I suggest you have Xavier run someone down in his power chair. Vrooom Vroom

[Brian M.]

I suggest you have Xavier run someone down in his power chair. Vrooom Vroom

He can walk in this league. I'm gonna have him do backflips and cartwheels. Caliban and Justice are gonna start working on a TK High wire act.