Exodus or Sinister...who do you want to be the villain of '07?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Exodus is due to make a expected return soon but there are rumors of Sinister returning for the summer X-over as well. Which would rather see headline this summer's event?

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Sinny. He's more devious.

[xakko]

Sinny. He's more devious.

Sinister needs a big makeover after the way he was portrayed in Bloodline.

[Beast]

It's pretty clear from the hints that it's going to be everyone's favorite Genetic Madman, Mister Sinister. Given that we already knew and have seen preview art that Exodus is going to play a part in the Annual. But the surprise appearance on the last page of the Annual is who will be the big bad for the X-Crossover.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

When does the Annual come out?

[Nyssane]

Exodus is a follower, not a leader. Thus, obvious choice is Sinny.

[Karl O'Neill]

exodus please

[Beast]

When does the Annual come out?
Thanks to a delay... Febuary 7th.

[Beast]

Bloody Double Post. :p

[The New Fate]

Sinister. But Exodus has not shown full potential yes so mabey they team up and wupp everyone. lol

[caney]

I'll go with Sinister, but Exodus being around for a while will be cool.

[Omega Alpha]

It's time to see Sinister in a big role again. Although i would like to see Exodus having a big part too.

[Deus ex Chris]

Neither...

[Canemacar]

Exodus is a punk. Sinister is one of the greatest villains around. The choice is pretty obvious.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Thanks to a delay... Febuary 7th.

Pro Bowl week, eh? Better late than never.

[Beast]

Pro Bowl week, eh? Better late than never.
Agreed. At least it's not like... Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk. ;) :D

[proteus]

A question. Has the big X summer event been pushed back to November-January? Isn't that when Mike Carey said it would occur?

[Beast]

A question. Has the big X summer event been pushed back to November-January? Isn't that when Mike Carey said it would occur?
It was never confirmed as a Summer Event. That was just when the gear up for it would begin.

[proteus]

It was never confirmed as a Summer Event. That was just when the gear up for it would begin.

Ok, thanks a lot.

[Frodo-X]

Neither...
BUZZKILL!!

I say BOTH, since that seems to be where we're headed, anyway. I figure Exodus will be like Sinister's left-hand-man (his right-hand-man being Gambit).

As for which I'm more stoked about, Sinister. Always wanted to see him as cool as he was in the cartoon, and I think Carey's just the man to do it.

[Faded]

I would normally say neither, but the way Carey described him, Exodus is sounding absolutely delicious...in a comicbook geeky kind of way. I'm not a big Exodus fan, otherwise and I could take or leave Sinister.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Interesting to see the odd levels of hate directed at two of these underrated characters but it doesn't matter. They are both coming...soon and it's long overdue.

[Arilou]

Interesting to see the odd levels of hate directed at two of these underrated characters but it doesn't matter. They are both coming...soon and it's long overdue.

Sinister is underrated? He's probably the X-men's number 3 villain or so.... Hardly underrated!

Exodus though, he's underrated! More Exodus please!

[The Fury]

Screw Exodus and Sinister, I'll pick other. And that other will be TOAD!!!

You'll see, you'll all see.

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[Fede]

Neither...

Change your avatar, that's too cute to look at!

Back on topic:p i think it's gonna be sinister, along with some more villains, such as gambit, sunfire etc etc. would be cool if sinister got madelyne prior too

[Cowlander]

Neither...

agreed, NEW VILLAINS please......

thank you Mike Carey :D

[mushroom2703]

EXCITEMENT~!

I can't wait for this. Since excalibur's cancellation and therefore no-show by sinister I've been DYING for him to come back, and Exodus~! is a great way to herald his return. I love Whedon, I love Bru, but Carey has been putting out the best x-title hands down lately, and I'm happy to see he's the one that gets to foreshadow such big events on the horizon. Its a good time to be an x-fan again. As for which one, I'l secondBOTH~! Sinister has to be back in the game, and Exodus needs to show way he's so underrated.

[gorthon616]

Exodus is interesting. But I don't think he's interesting enough to be "villain of '07" without devolving into something less interesting and more straight down the line evil mutant type.

So I say Sinister. In my opinion, as they've uncovered more and more of his origin, he's become more and more passe, so I'm very curious to see if Carey can redeem him (in my eyes at least).

[streator]

i'm hoping to see both of them.

[brundlefly]

Sinister, since I've been looking forward to his return for a long time, as his odd cameo in COLOSSUS BLOODLINES was pretty unsatisfying. I hope he brings the Maruaders with him as his front-line shock troops to assist him with his nefarious schemes. Essex is easily my favorite 'full-time villain' in the X-Universe (given that Magneto really can't be classified as such).

Exodus was quite an interesting character in FATAL ATTRACTIONS and the crossover with the Avengers books (I forget the title; was that also BLOODLINES?). He needs a new motivation when/if he returns, as the Acolytes are no more and Mags isn't doing the "mutant messiah" religous thing anymore. Given that he's been beholden to Mags and Apocalypse in the past, maybe this time he'll be more independent.

[proteus]

Both. I want to see both Sinister and Exodus as major enemies.

[We R. Venom]

I would like Exodus to be a major villan. Its possible. I would rather just not see Sinister anytime soon, especially not under carey. Just personal preference. If Sinister makes Carey's run even better than thats great, but id just like Exodus more and want to see make big moves is all.

[Brett P]

Im really unfamilar with Exodus but am very fond of Sinister due to his large presence in the 90's cartoons which got me into X-Men. I'm all for both of them.

[dreyson]

I prefer Sinister to Exodus, but as long as their return is written well, I wouldn't mind seeing either of them.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Sinister is underrated? He's probably the X-men's number 3 villain or so.... Hardly underrated!

Exodus though, he's underrated! More Exodus please!

Sinister is extremely underrated. Every time he's mentioned, people always bring up how he focuses only on the Summers and how he hasn't "done anything and needs new motivations". All of that comedy. Of course they disregard the fact that he usually comes out every situation he's in unscathed and usually getting the last laugh.:D

Sinister, since I've been looking forward to his return for a long time, as his odd cameo in COLOSSUS BLOODLINES was pretty unsatisfying. I hope he brings the Maruaders with him as his front-line shock troops to assist him with his nefarious schemes. Essex is easily my favorite 'full-time villain' in the X-Universe (given that Magneto really can't be classified as such).

Exodus was quite an interesting character in FATAL ATTRACTIONS and the crossover with the Avengers books (I forget the title; was that also BLOODLINES?). He needs a new motivation when/if he returns, as the Acolytes are no more and Mags isn't doing the "mutant messiah" religous thing anymore. Given that he's been beholden to Mags and Apocalypse in the past, maybe this time he'll be more independent.

Positive perspectives rule.

[Omega Alpha]

Sinister is extremely underrated. Every time he's mentioned, people always bring up how he focuses only on the Summers and how he hasn't "done anything and needs new motivations". All of that comedy. Of course they disregard the fact that he usually comes out every situation he's in unscathed and usually getting the last laugh.:D


Yep, Sinister never really loses. The X-men have yet to beat him in a fight, and even when they damage his plans, like in those issues pre-Revolution, he still manages to bring forward is primary objective (give the X-gene back to the mutants which lost it), and in the end, his goal was achieved in part, since there was a mutant population boom shortly after that (which could have been caused by him).

[Siddon]

I'm bored with Sinister, if Inferno were a better story, or if he didn't suck so hard in the 90's then maybe I would like to see him back but as of now I say nay (though if he became a Thunderbolt)

Exodus, much like Sinister was brought in with a high amount of acclaim and appeal but has really sucked it hard. I think Paris has fallen far down enough for him to be reinvented. I would love it if Exodus and Selene ever hooked up and really took on the Marvel Universe.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Over on his website im trying to get Mike Carey to write a Nanny story. That should be the X-villain of the year

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/TheHuzzah/p-fran22.gif

[Mineralogy]

Over on his website im trying to get Mike Carey to write a Nanny story. That should be the X-villain of the year

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/TheHuzzah/p-fran22.gifThe X-Men already fought Banshee back in 1967.

Oh! I say zing!

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I'm bored with Sinister, if Inferno were a better story, or if he didn't suck so hard in the 90's then maybe I would like to see him back but as of now I say nay (though if he became a Thunderbolt)

Exodus, much like Sinister was brought in with a high amount of acclaim and appeal but has really sucked it hard. I think Paris has fallen far down enough for him to be reinvented. I would love it if Exodus and Selene ever hooked up and really took on the Marvel Universe.

If they sucked, mediocre villains like Vulcan and Vargas are better in comparision? No one sucks as longs as the writing is done correctly. Sinister's story in X-Men Annual '95 is better than any other X-Villian story that has been pushed down throats since that timeframe. Sinister punking out Cable in Cable #28 to new heights was hilarious. Sinister having a Nazi past as revealed in Weapon X and Excalibur coincides with what one like him was during for that timeframe. Sinister outsmarting Apocalypse every 2 or 3 years is funny. Sinister punking out Cyclops and Jean Grey was always great reading.

The Neo crap was off writing. The Bloodline stuff? I don't recognize. Everything else has been Underrated Villian of the last 15 years worthy.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Sinister is best when he isnt perving over Jean and Cyclops. I dont need to see him fogging up their windows any more

[Nyssane]

If they sucked, mediocre villains like Vulcan and Vargas are better in comparision? No one sucks as longs as the writing is done correctly. Sinister's story in X-Men Annual '95 is better than any other X-Villian story that has been pushed down throats since that timeframe. Sinister punking out Cable in Cable #28 to new heights was hilarious. Sinister having a Nazi past as revealed in Weapon X and Excalibur coincides with what one like him was during for that timeframe. Sinister outsmarting Apocalypse every 2 or 3 years is funny. Sinister punking out Cyclops and Jean Grey was always great reading.

Yeah, I hate when people are always like "I want new villains," and then when we get crap like Vargas and Vulcan, they're like "*sighs in disappointment*". Make up your damn mind! I definitely prefer older villains, though. Why create brand new ones when there is a slew of them just waiting to be made into great characters?

[Post-It]

Why do we have to choose? I'm hoping the villans regroup in a quasi AOA fashion. With Magneto as the head, Exodus as his military leader, and Sinister as his chief scientist working on developing more mutants or reversing HOM for the cause. In the Colussus series it showed that Sinister had been greatly depowered so he would need time to recoup and Exodus showed in Xmen that he needs Magneto's guidance. Im guessing The Collective must have repowered Magneto to some extent. Plus, having Sunfire and Gambit (since they are with Sinister now) in the New Acolytes/ Brotherhood would be sweet.

[Red Lotus]

I'll agree with those who said Exodus is a better follower then a leader. I hope he is working with Sinister well not with for.

[Omega Alpha]

Why do we have to choose? I'm hoping the villans regroup in a quasi AOA fashion. With Magneto as the head, Exodus as his military leader, and Sinister as his chief scientist working on developing more mutants or reversing HOM for the cause. In the Colussus series it showed that Sinister had been greatly depowered so he would need time to recoup and Exodus showed in Xmen that he needs Magneto's guidance. Im guessing The Collective must have repowered Magneto to some extent. Plus, having Sunfire and Gambit (since they are with Sinister now) in the New Acolytes/ Brotherhood would be sweet.

Magneto is against experimentation on mutants, he even banned Sinister and Moira in HoM, he would never work with Sinister unless he didn't have any other choice.

[brundlefly]

I'm bored with Sinister, if Inferno were a better story, or if he didn't suck so hard in the 90's then maybe I would like to see him back but as of now I say nay (though if he became a Thunderbolt)


WTF? Under what circumstances would Sinister possibly become a Thunderbolt? That's like Apocalypse or Ultron or the Mandarin being on that team. They'd just immediately kill the other members of the team plus the SHIELD handlers and then be on their merry way. T-Bolts is more for imprisoned second-tier guys working off a prison sentence (Venom, Bullseye), not the uberpowerful masterminds and schemers of the MU. X-villains more suited for the T-Bolts would be, say, Omega Red or Toad, not Sinister by any stretch of the imagination.

[Post-It]

Magneto is against experimentation on mutants, he even banned Sinister and Moira in HoM, he would never work with Sinister unless he didn't have any other choice.

Yes, but that was because he feared that humans would use the genetic knowledge against mutants as Pym attempted. Im not saying he would force people to become mutants, I mean having Sinister attempt to give them their power backs. While it may seem unlikely despertate times call for desperate measures. Id say losing 99% of your fighting force equals desperate times.

[Siddon]

If they sucked, mediocre villains like Vulcan and Vargas are better in comparision? No one sucks as longs as the writing is done correctly. Sinister's story in X-Men Annual '95 is better than any other X-Villian story that has been pushed down throats since that timeframe. Sinister punking out Cable in Cable #28 to new heights was hilarious. Sinister having a Nazi past as revealed in Weapon X and Excalibur coincides with what one like him was during for that timeframe. Sinister outsmarting Apocalypse every 2 or 3 years is funny. Sinister punking out Cyclops and Jean Grey was always great reading.

The Neo crap was off writing. The Bloodline stuff? I don't recognize. Everything else has been Underrated Villian of the last 15 years worthy.

<yawn> The Draco was better then those issues. It is possible for a villian to be good regardless, I think Nimord and Selene have always been interesting and well written. I do like newer villians, I think the jury is still out on Vulcan, never really cared much for Vargas. Y'know who did good new villians, Morrison; Sublime, Quetin Quire, Cassandra Nova all very good villians. I like the Children though its a bit to soon, all build no resolution.

WTF? Under what circumstances would Sinister possibly become a Thunderbolt? That's like Apocalypse or Ultron or the Mandarin being on that team.

Or Bullseye or Green Goblin or Venom..... oh wait

I actually think Sinister makes a better fit then Moonstone right now. I mean they threw out 80 issues of development for her now. And I would love for more Apocalypse one of my favorite mini's of last year was Dracula vs Apocalypse.

[Beast]

Y'know who did good new villians, Morrison; Sublime, Quetin Quire, Cassandra Nova all very good villians.
I'll give you Cassandra Nova. But Sublime and Quentin Quire were not good villains.

Hell, I'd be hard pressed to even consider Quentin Quire a villain at all.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Sublime was such a terrible creation that they retconned that goofy Planet X aberration in under a year and Vargas didn't kill anyone. Psylocke came right back. Sinister referring to Cable, the guy who's supposed to kill Apocalypse as the "Chosen One", as his personal errand boy=Greatness.

[Beast]

I actually liked Vargas. I wish he'd gotten some more play. I'm still annoyed with Editorial cutting short his story. He could have been built up into a great villain, after nearly killing Beast and murdering Psylocke. Plus Sage's theory that he was some sort of living Xavier Protocals would have been nice to have been followed up on.

[Pro]

I'll give you Cassandra Nova. But Sublime and Quentin Quire were not good villains.

Cassandra Nova was great. The basic concept of Sublime was okay (although a similar story was done in westcoast avengers) but failed because too many separate storylines were spliced into one and explained as his work (although i do think finishing those plot lines was a good idea). Quinton, i kinda liked the idea of a x-student opposing Xavier's ideas and starting up a gang. I would have liked seeing him grow from those roots into a genius supervillain but alas he died before he reached his potential.

[brundlefly]

Or Bullseye or Green Goblin or Venom..... oh wait
I actually think Sinister makes a better fit then Moonstone right now. I mean they threw out 80 issues of development for her now. And I would love for more Apocalypse one of my favorite mini's of last year was Dracula vs Apocalypse.

*sigh* You probably should have read the entire post before replying. They're just not in the same league of villains we're talking about here.

Bullseye - assassin-for hire w/ low power level and is controllable through nanotech and threats of incarceration
Venom - former mercenary/private eye/henchman-to-bigger-villains, currently Spider-Man stalker w/ relatively low power level and is controllable through nanotech and threats of incarceration
Green Goblin - psychotic Spider-Man stalker w/ relatively low power level and is controllable through nanotech and threats of incarceration

Ultron, Mandarin, Apocalypse - uberpowerful would-be world conquerors with vast resources, far too powerful/intelligent to be controlled by nanotech or threats of incarceration.

Sinister is in the latter group, not the former. Moonstone, however, is technically in the former group, except switch out 'ambitous opportunist' for 'Spidey-stalker' or 'assassin-for-hire,' so she is a much better 'fit' than Sinister for that team. Sinister in the Thunderbolts? Why not suggest Doom or Loki as Thunderbolts while you're at it? :rolleyes: That'd make about as much sense.


I'll give you Cassandra Nova

I won't. I liked her better the first time around, when she was called the Shadow King. Re-run. Change the channel.

[ProfeZZor X]

Cassandra Nova was great. The basic concept of Sublime was okay (although a similar story was done in westcoast avengers) but failed because too many separate storylines were spliced into one and explained as his work (although i do think finishing those plot lines was a good idea). Quinton, i kinda liked the idea of a x-student opposing Xavier's ideas and starting up a gang. I would have liked seeing him grow from those roots into a genius supervillain but alas he died before he reached his potential.

I would have liked to see Quinten's gang more too. Unfortunately, they're all still in jail. Too bad no one has done a follow up story on it. Glob Herman has potential (with his powers), and I would have liked to see what some of those abilities were. It's a good thing he hasn't been depowered.

[Zombienorthstar]

Sublime would have been classic if he'd just stayed at the initial premise: Evangelist who's created a religion revolving around Homo Perfectus (humans who alter their bodies through sciene using mutant/superhuman organs, sort of like self instigated evolution)....he would have been a formiddable foe for the X-Men if he'd remained just this. I wonder if just this premise can be salvaged....i mean im guessign a few depowered mutants might be willing to be U-Men now.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Yeah Johnny Sublime was all sorts of cool


Sublime the mutant bacteria? Not so much. Having him make Magneto go crazy for planet X, and being the reason that humans hate mutants? Didnt help

[Beast]

Yeah Johnny Sublime was all sorts of cool


Sublime the mutant bacteria? Not so much. Having him make Magneto go crazy for planet X, and being the reason that humans hate mutants? Didnt help
Double Bingo. :)

[Karl H]

I actually liked Vargas. I wish he'd gotten some more play. I'm still annoyed with Editorial cutting short his story. He could have been built up into a great villain, after nearly killing Beast and murdering Psylocke. Plus Sage's theory that he was some sort of living Xavier Protocals would have been nice to have been followed up on.

I agree on this one and one of the nice things coming out of CC's X-men the End was that on some level Vargas had become an X-man... A whole lot of unused potential there i'm afraid (sigh) unlike pretty much every non-Magneto X-villain for the past decade or so...