YOU have to create new Star Trek series! [Archive]

drwho

01-27-2007, 01:39 PM

drwho

01-27-2007, 01:55 PM

Star Trek: Vortex

The scientist of Starfleet have been working on an interstellar spaceship. The ships name is the Vortex and what makes the ship special is it somehow has the ability to tune into and open wormholes in space. The crew would mostly be science related officers. Ship's crew would be 20 at most. Anyway on a trial the vessel is sabotaged and it causes a reaction that sends the crew in and out of different worm holes with no control of their destination. The crew would eventually begin to discover that due to the worm hole energy exposure they must return to the Vortex, by a certain period of time or their bodies are automatically sucked into whatever wormhole is in the area.

jwd

01-27-2007, 02:02 PM

really I think any setup can work if you have the right writers. For me though if I were going with ideal.

I don't have much interest in a prequel. I want to see the Star Trek universe a few years or even a few centuries after the last TNG movie.

Just to throw out some ideas. In the 25th century the Borg had managed to open a warp conduit hub on Mars. Thankfully the Federation managed to find a way to send a virus to wipe out the Borg. Unfortunately it wasn't until after 75% of the Earth population was wiped out. Now the series is set 50 years later. Earth has been rebuilding and they've just discovered how to use the warp conduits to explore the far reaches of the galaxy and even other dimensions in the galaxy. So the show would be about a group of explorers given the job to run the Hub on Mars and make sure no other invaders might find their way to Earth through one of the hubs. Things would be grimy and kind of dirty. Not everything would work all the time. The stories would be a mix of stories taking place on the hub and exploring other galaxies and even universes.

Ongoing story arcs for the characters. I'd probably have tons of recurring enemies and even 2 or 3 villains shown to be a major threat.

That's just off the top of my head. I'd settle for anything if there's good writers.

jwd

jwd

01-27-2007, 02:03 PM

delete please

Ontir

01-27-2007, 02:26 PM

I go back to the original concepts, characters, and designs. That means the Wah Chang Phasers, Tri-Corders, and Communicators (which I'd set up a contract for, with Motorola, who would build the practical Communicators for the film, and then sell them as a tie-in), and a slight re-working of the original ship design. The only major changes there, would be that it would look more "real world" in terms of flooring and materials, and I'd replace the deflector dish, with the lighted version which first appeared in the films. On the bridge, I'd replace the big flat-screen, which is no longer sci-fi, with a central holographic display, which the workstations and Kirk's perch would focus on. I'd also go back to the original William Ware Theiss costume designs, except that in place of the mini-dresses, I'd give the option of black shorts, which could be warn by women or men, along with short-sleave shirts.

Another slight change, has to do with the "USS." It stands for United States Steamship, which makes little sense for a story set in the 23rd century. I'd also like to set this series of films, aside from the prior shows and films. To that end, I would use "Federation Starfleet Ship," instead, so it would be: NCC-1701 FSS Enterprise.

Casting would be as follows"

Commodore Chritopher Pike ~ Matt McCoy

#1 ~ Angelina Jolie

Admiral Cartwright ~ Avery Brooks (He worked with Brock Peters, and I think he could be coaxed to do the cameo.)

Spock ~ Nicholas Hoult (http://imdb.com/name/nm0396558/) who already looks like a Vulcan. Vulcans age slower, which would explain his youth, and also allow him to look less old, as the rest of the cast (whose characters are younger) ages.

Ikaru Sulu ~ James Kyson Lee ("Ando" from Heroes)

Montgomery Scott ~ Allan Cumming (Who'd get to use his own Scottish accent, for possibly still the first time, in his career!)

Nyota Uhura ~ Kerry Washington (Last King of Scotland & the Dead Girl)

Leonard "Bones" McCoy ~ Kyle Chandler

T'Pei/Legionnary Aamli ~ Kristin Kreuk

Pavel Chekov ~ Cameron Bowen (Wristcutters: a Love Story (http://imdb.com/title/tt0477139/))

Carol Marcus ~ Michelle Williams

Janice Rand ~ Kaley Cuoco

James Tiberius Kirk ~ Sean William Scott (Kirk's the youngest man, ever to get the Captain's seat, and I think Scott would be interesting.)

Admiral Nogura ~ George Takei

Vulcan Praetor Tomulak ~ Crispin Glover

Klingon General Q'Zjeng ~ Jimmy Smits

Computer ~ Nana Visitor

Subsequent films would deal with the Tholians, Dr. Noonian Sung, the Tribbles, and Khan.

Darth Joker

01-27-2007, 02:27 PM

Star Trek: Time Trek

Starring Wesley Crusher

Wesley Cusher was already told once that he was special by some alien. Anyways the story goes Wesley starts having nightmares of different events and as seen previously he is no longer part of the academy. One night Wesley falls asleep to find himself somehow transported to a desert. When he awakens the Traveller alien that told Wesley he was special tells Wesley that now is his time to take his place in the universe. Wesley bewildered to see this alien again, but something seems different this time. The alien is more sarcastic in tone and begins to make comments about conquering other worlds. Wesley confronts the alien saying he isnt the alien he met but he was and he transforms into Q. Q looks at Wesley and the two transfer into the Q continuum. At the Q continuum Wesley is informed that he is the next big cosmic hybrid with the universe and Wesley learns he has the power to go through time. The Q continuum state they wish to test him and see if he has the right to be the top of the cosmic hierarchy. Wesley finds himself flung through time. Basically a time travel series with Star Trek elements.

This is along the lines of where I think Star Trek needs to go next.

Instead of going with a completely new ship with a completely different cast of characters and actors, I think that Paramount would be wise to go back to well-established Star Trek characters (like Q, and perhaps Wesley Crusher), and put those characters in dynamic new situations.

A Star Trek show that puts many of the best characters/actors from each of their shows (Patrick Stewart, Avery Brooks, Johnathan Frakes, John DeLance, Marc Alaimo, Jeffrey Combs, etc...) together, could be awesome beyond words.

I'd perhaps bring in a small, new crew of new actors for a ship (but with a few established Star Trek star characters mingled in - Riker as Captian of a new Enterprise perhaps?), but have them running into Star Trek 'star characters' all the time.

Dr. Banner

01-27-2007, 04:47 PM

On the bridge, I'd replace the big flat-screen, which is no longer sci-fi, with a central holographic display, which the workstations and Kirk's perch would focus on.

Why does the viewscreen have to be "sci-fi"? The chairs they sit on and the floor they walk on aren't "sci-fi". Sometimes, if something works, it just works. They tried using holographic displays in DS9, and dropped the idea fast when it was seen how the idea, which sounded great on paper, didn't translate too well dramatically.

Another slight change, has to do with the "USS." It stands for United States Steamship, which makes little sense for a story set in the 23rd century.

It most certainly does not stand for that!
Maybe right now in the current Navy it does, but the first episode of Trek ever, The Cage, mentioned it was "United Space Ship" (and then once again in the episode Space Seed), but every other mention since then was "United Star Ship".

Dr. Banner

01-27-2007, 04:59 PM

To answer the question, though, I would not bother trying to create a new television series. The "fanbase" is too fragmented, and has gotten that way more and more with each new series, and for some reason, a rivarly has sprouted amongts fans of every series ("Star Trek died the moment TNG started", "DS9 was brilliant, all other Trek sucks", etc). This is a generalization, of course, but seems to be the case on most boards I've checked out.

I, personally, however, wouldn't mind a few DVD's continuing the adventures of Riker as Captain of the Titan (with Worf as first officer). It probably wouldn't sell, though, but I'd enjoy it. :)

Sanagi

01-27-2007, 06:29 PM

Change the formula. Explore the Trek universe from a non-Starfleet perspective. Keep things in flux, have characters with different allegiances who go separate paths at different points in the story. Allow characters to be more than stereotypes of their species or the job they do on a spaceship.

Ontir

01-28-2007, 11:09 AM

Why does the viewscreen have to be "sci-fi"? The chairs they sit on and the floor they walk on aren't "sci-fi". Sometimes, if something works, it just works. They tried using holographic displays in DS9, and dropped the idea fast when it was seen how the idea, which sounded great on paper, didn't translate too well dramatically.

Holography has worked well other places, like Star Wars, and I know what I'd do with it, so I'm sticking to my guns on this one. True, a chair is a chair, is a chair, but AV displays will continue to advance, and as we life in a flatscreen world now, the Enterprise's main display needs to be update. Plus, it allows the bridge set to become a bit more enclosed, which dramatically, is a good thing. What I'd really like to do, is have a holographic sphere, floating in the middle of a globe bridge, with all the work stations able to look up at it, as gravity is artificial, and the workstations are sitting on the inside of a larger globe, but that would be prohibitively expensive.

It most certainly does not stand for that! Maybe right now in the current Navy it does, but the first episode of Trek ever, The Cage, mentioned it was "United Space Ship" (and then once again in the episode Space Seed), but every other mention since then was "United Star Ship".

"United Space Ship?" That sounded stupid in the 60's. "United" with "Star Ship" isn't much better, an obvious attempt to qualify it, as it is "United States Steamship," which Roddenberry intentionally used, because of his Navy days. United as opposed to Anarchic?

Again, partially to set this continuity apart from the previous works, so they're un-altered, and I and anyone who follows, don't have 40 years of continuity to deal with, would change it to FSS, which I still think makes more sense. If not FSS, then UFPS for "United Federation of Planets Starship."

Dr. Banner

01-28-2007, 11:35 AM

"United Space Ship?" That sounded stupid in the 60's. "United" with "Star Ship" isn't much better, an obvious attempt to qualify it, as it is "United States Steamship," which Roddenberry intentionally used, because of his Navy days. United as opposed to Anarchic?.

United, as in, the United Federation of Planets, the whole governing body of the ("good-guy") Star Trek universe! Or the original space exploration branch of the Federation, called "United Earth Space Probe Agency", or UESPA.

"United as opposed to Anarchic?" As much as it might seem to the contrary, we don't call it Anarchic Nations today, do we? And do you live in the Anarchic States of America? There's president in the real world and Star Trek.

And, for another record, Commissioned Navy vessels use the United States Ship, not Steamship. (Non-commissioned civilian run ships use USNS, United States Naval Ship, nowhere is the term steamship used today for the US navy, of which Roddenberry served)

Starfleet is an earth-based organization based in San Fransisco. So even finding "USS" to be Americanized a bit has nothing wrong with that since Starfleet IS American, for all intents and purposes.

Nitpicky, I know, but, so is not liking "USS" in the first place. :p

And besides, "I am Captain Kirk of the UFPS Enterprise" just doens't have as nice a ring to it as USS. Sounds more like a letter carrying vessel than exploratory/military.

Ontir

01-28-2007, 01:42 PM

We also don't call it "United Ship." It's United States, so United Space Ship, or United Star Ship doesn't make sense. It sounds like a moving company.

Generally, he says "Starship Enterprise," or "the Federation Starship Enterprise." "USS" doesn't directly identify the Federation, in any case. "FSS" identifies the Federation from go.

Aside from any issue I have with the "USS," there's also the point of it immediately setting the series in a different continuity, and that's not the least bit "nitpicky."

Further Banner, where's your "Trek?" I've told you what I'd do, and why. What have you come up with?

Dr. Banner

01-28-2007, 03:09 PM

^^^
As I said, I have no future Trek besides continuing some of Riker's adventures on the Titan, something that wouldn't sell hugely, but, would at least make me happy.

For something to sell to the public, Star Trek doesn't work anymore, I don't think. Now that the heyday of TNG is over where the general public would watch that AND the Kirk movies, Trek is back to bein' it's former geeky self. And the fandom is way too splintered to agree on what's good Trek and what's bad Trek, and, heck, what Trek even is at all.

Most people it seems to me want dark, grim, and dirty, a strugglying dystopia which I personally don't find to be what Trek is about. Speaking of splintered Trek fans, I'm sure many of them disagree, but, that's where our viewing habits seem to be circling towards as a whole (BSG, 24, Sopranos, etc)

That's just me, and can fully admit to bein' 100% wrong. But I really don't think I am. JJ Abrams' movie, and the reaction to it, will be interesting. I'll enjoy it, I'm sure. We'll see what Joe Q Public says.

Ontir

01-28-2007, 05:08 PM

Your belief that the public doesn't want "Trek" isn't unique. I think it's wrong, but in order to tap into the interest, a fresh start, with a clean slate is needed. That means going back to the basics, with the original characters, and the central question: Will technology make us more than we were, or less than we are?

Anyone not asking themselves that, when writing a Trek story, ought not to be writing one, and that's the central problem with the subsequent series. They got wrapped up in the gadgetry, and didn't notice they were creating a stagnant civilisation, in which anything - everything new, was appropriated from other species. As I've said before, humanity in Trek's 24th century, had become Victorian England, in Space.

Tommy

01-28-2007, 05:37 PM

I would also set it far into the distant future of Trek.

Earth is now a Borg colony and the Federation is entirely destroyed. The Vulcans, Klingons, Betazoids and most of the other races are fighting amongst themselves or building defenses against further Borg invasion. The Borg themselves are mired in a series of wars with Species 8472 and so can’t even spare the resources to fully assimilate the entirety of the Sol system. There are still pockets of humanity living on the Moon and Mars in constant fear of the Borg.

Generally speaking most people have resigned themselves to living with never ending war and some races have gone so far as to destroy all their space faring technology and just writing the whole thing off as a bad idea.

In this time a deep range Federation ship returns after almost a decade of exploration. Upon arriving in the Earth’s orbit they are confronted by a Borg cube. After almost losing the Cube is called away to fight in the Borg’s continuing war with Species 8472.

The Federation Ship then decides to pick up as many people still living on the Moon and take them to a new home which was once a member of the Federation.

The series would be about attempting to reform the Federation and promote peace in the Universe. Getting people to work together for common purpose. Basically have everything knocked down and then try and build it back up again.

Ryan K

01-28-2007, 06:25 PM

The often wished for and often rumoured Starfleet Academy.

Pinnacle

01-28-2007, 07:12 PM

The often wished for and often rumoured Starfleet Academy.

I would second that. It would be neat dynamic as long as it resisted the urge to devolve into the stereotypical young adult/teen series like Dawson's Creek or One Tree Hill. You know that it would be pressured into being for the Star Trek universe what Smallville is to the Superman mythos.

Green Lantern wannabe

01-28-2007, 08:31 PM

I wouldn't do it now; I'd wait a decade at least to let the creative juices flow, and then see what turns up. I would also take a look around the world, and see if there are any social issues that should be dealt with, as they were in TOS.

Either that, or ... an alien with a glowing green ring crashes at StarFleet Academy ... ;)

titanfan

01-28-2007, 09:34 PM

The Wesley Crusher idea is horrible for the simple idea that it features one of the most hated Star Trek characters ever in a leading role. :p

The often wished for and often rumoured Starfleet Academy.

Thirded or Fourthed. Basically, I want to see another series that takes place mostly within Federation Space. Many of the planets that now make up the UFP we've now only visited once or twice. There's so much room for other storylines that I would like to see.

Basically an Academy show allows for a rotating cast (as people graduate, etc.) and would allow for a number of guest stars. Whether it was something that took place at Starfleet Academy itself or on a type of Academy starship, I would like to go an rediscover the Federation again.

Bored at 3:00AM

01-28-2007, 09:50 PM

I'd either reboot the whole franchise Battlestar Galactica style and start the series over with the same basic premise and characters as the original--while ramping up the socio-political commentary to beyond what even the original show did in its time. Like Battlestar, Star Trek should be a show to discuss the world around us.

There's something primal about Kirk, Spock & McCoy travelling across space on a 5 year mission to explore strange new worlds and boldly go where no one has gone before.

OR...

Just jump ahead a few hundred years into the future with the Federation in shambles and a rag-tag crew of humans, vulcans, klingons, romulans and borg exploring the cosmos and trying to restore civilization--essentially Andromeda without all the suckage.

TheLazy

01-29-2007, 05:10 AM

we've seen the begining of the federation (enterprise) so I say we should go to the end of the federation. A few hundred years in the future we're the political climate is so fragile that civil war amongst humans is rife, where landing on a klingon planet causes brutal attacks. It could end with the federation becoming so weak from in fighting that earth gets assaulted by the Gemada or borg and is too weak to resist.

The only problem with that is it would be pretty bleak throughout the series, and the star trek thing seems to be hope, so I dont know if itd work. Asside from that idea Ill fifth the starfleet acadamy idea.

:)

The Mirrorball Man

01-29-2007, 08:24 AM

"Star Trek: Miami"

Basically the same as the original series, but with David Caruso as the captain, and with more girls getting out of the swimming pool in slow motion.

Cyke

01-29-2007, 01:21 PM

Honestly, some themes in Enterprise were great, they just weren't properly fleshed out. The very idea that the Federation was founded because of huge and potentially cataclysmic cosmic events, as if fate were dictating that the Federation would some day serve a true purpose, was fantastic.

To that end, if I were going to write Trek, I'd have a show of equal parts horror, intrigue, fate, scale, and destiny, all tied in by the theme of exploration (which has been sorely lacking in Trek lately). The serialized format could work, if the writers have a clear idea of where they want to go with it.

shades of eternity

01-29-2007, 03:00 PM

Star Trek: Bird of prey

Do the equivelent of a flagship for the klingon empire with martok in charged.

Build a cast of well developed characters, have every so often a character die in battle and be replaced.

also have some of the other aliens that the klingons have conquered and now are citizens.

Give it a dark gritty feel, but have enough of a sense of humor to keep things good.

and of course have them be right.

and then then sometime in season two, have them do a klingon opera, in the tradition of the buffy musical.

ragnarok_2012

01-29-2007, 04:25 PM

"Star Trek: Miami"

Basically the same as the original series, but with David Caruso as the captain, and with more girls getting out of the swimming pool in slow motion.

He should wear a Geordi-style visor that he puts on dramatically at the start of each episode.

"It looks like the Klingons.."

*puts on visor*

"...are going to war."

*sings* YEEEEEEAH!

(Link (http://youtube.com/watch?v=_sarYH0z948) for those who don't watch the show)

hoffmandu

01-29-2007, 05:00 PM

Star Trek: Pirates or Mercs (whatever your pleasure)

I'd concentrate on the lesser known world of Trek. A non-Federation Vessel pirating/stealing in order to make a quick credit. For once we can see the other side of the table, with the Feds being the "bad guy". Why not, everything else has been done.

noh-varr

01-29-2007, 11:33 PM

First off I hate and loath the idea of redoing the original Trek, why do Kirk, Spock etc? The show is all about the future so we are going to retread what was done decades ago? I think if anything that would make people go away from it, cuz simply put in pop culture Kirk IS Shatner, Spock IS Nemoy etc. Anyone else would be seen as a fake.

As for a new show? First off I want a bit more characterisation. Next Generation had some, but it and Voyager both shared the feeling that it was setting up for syndication where you can watch any episode no problem. The niche audience of sci fi usually want more character work, and continuity to go rabid about, I know I do. It's the main thing I think DS9 got right, the characters had storylines, the station had a storyline etc. Things flowed more. While I can watch five differant Data episodes and he seems to relearn the same lessons (thoug I do love Data). And with other sci fi influenced shows like Battlestar, Lost, and Heroes doing quite well with continuity and character work, we know the general populace won't shoot it down.

As for the actual pitch, I'm of two minds. Either a new crew about 10 plus years ahead of the last Next Gen movie so we can have guest appearances of Riker and the like. I mean come on can have the cast meet Admiral Picard or something. The only problem I have with this is the same problem with the other roaming space ship shows, it will be harder to do a more flowing plot. But can be worked around, longer stays on planets, or even being resident on a planet and doing recon or maybe eventually battle work. I do think this may lack a bit though and really can't think of a great hook that hasn't been done or will lead to several one offs that have little to no connection.

The one I really want to see is Star Trek Universe: Klingons. We follow a small number of Klingons and get a good look into their day to day life. Something beyond Worf who was often seen as an outsider always needing to prove himself. It can follow a small crew for a Bird of Prey and deal with their religion, civilization and many otehr facets of their life. YOu can even make Worf as a recurring character kind of like how President Bartlet was only supposed to appear sporadicly in West Wing when originally proposed. It could be a new angle, plus Klingon is one of the more recognized races. I'd use Vulcans but really the sheer logic Vulcans need would turn most people off.

Or you could do a UN thing with the Federation races. And explore the interworkings of the races together.

Ontir

01-30-2007, 12:08 AM

Thing is, TPTB @ Paramount believe it was the sequel series that damaged the franchise. They're going back to basics. They might do something with the Klingons, and I for one, would LOVE to see it, but not until they go back to the original, core franchise first.

Far From Realmer

01-30-2007, 01:00 AM

I think dark future thing would be bad, one of the main traits of star trek is that unlike most sci fi shows, humans have accually become a better people that live in a more hopeful environment. That said, i would have a star trek set entirely in the mirror universe. That way you could have the "dark look" todays audience can't get enough of, but still preserve the main universes good setting for future series. Plus you can cameo the older casts and see how they measure up to thier well known counterparts.

The Mirrorball Man

01-30-2007, 02:04 AM

He should wear a Geordi-style visor that he puts on dramatically at the start of each episode.

"It looks like the Klingons.."

*puts on visor*

"...are going to war."

*sings* YEEEEEEAH!

(Link (http://youtube.com/watch?v=_sarYH0z948) for those who don't watch the show)

Actually the correct way to say it is:

"It looks like.."

"... THE KLINGONS..."

*puts on visor*

"...are going to WAR..."

*sings* YEEEEEEAH!

ragnarok_2012

01-30-2007, 03:03 AM

Actually the correct way to say it is:

"It looks like.."

"... THE KLINGONS..."

*puts on visor*

"...are going to WAR..."

*sings* YEEEEEEAH!

I want to see Caruso do a rendition of Rocketman.

The Batman

02-01-2007, 09:06 PM

If it was left to me to create a new Star Trek series, before I worried about what era I'd focus on, or if the bridge was using holographic technology because viewscreens aren't futuristic enough, or even what 'USS' stands for - before I worried about any of those sorts of minor details I'd want to make sure that I had a talented crew of writers on board who could keep the characters and the stories interesting because that, more than anything else, is what matters. So my first step would be to try and get talented writers on board. I know that all seems kinda obvious but it seems like something that gets forgotten often, and easily, enough I love Battlestar Galactica and I'd love to see the team that's working on that take a free hand with Trek with the caveat being that they know that Trek should probably be a more, if not upbeat at least optimistic show.

As for the particulars of the Star Trek show I'd like to see. . . I dunno. Right now I'd be curious to see a restart of the Original Series crew with that sort of Original Series sense of exploration and being out there on the final frontier. This would also provide the opportunity to do some really fun nerd stuff like have the new Kirk, Spock, and McCoy encounter alien species that were introduced in TNG and DS9 and have them fight bumpy headed Klingons. Failing a restart, that could be tricky since Kirk and Co. are such icons and Trek hasn't been out of the public eye like BSG was, I think that if there were good writers involved Riker's adventures on the Titan could be alot of fun to watch.

lonewolf23k

02-01-2007, 09:49 PM

I'd actually base a series off the Star Fleet Universe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Fleet_Universe), although with a slight updating of the technology and races to make it slightly more TNG-like in appearance.

While the series would also involve a lot of space exploration and space battles, the more fleshed-out SFUniverse would allow for a more in-depth look at the various races, including Klingons who are less honor-obsessed, but more "Do what needs to be done" in mentality, Romulans who balance out their duties to the Empire with their desire to advance their House's agendas, Gorn who are allies of the Federation.. And, of course, I'd add the Caitians as Federation members, if only because Catgirls are a universal constant of Hotness.

Basically, it would be a new twist on an old concept..

"It's a Whole New Trek: Star Fleet Universe"

The Batman

02-01-2007, 10:04 PM

Well, you had me at Gorns because clearly Gorns = awesome. :D

mattx110

02-01-2007, 11:01 PM

colm meaney as the captain, dark scary universe, dominion leaking into federation, sisko retired, half DS9 dead fora decade or more. really dark scary stuff, with angry scot killing evil aliens for his wife, or if you wanna go real dark, the memory of his wife.

Robotech Master

02-01-2007, 11:38 PM

My idea:

Set after Deep Space Nine/Voyager (say several years)

*New Advanced Starship built for Federation using a combination of Federation and Dominion technology.
*Cast includes an Asian Captain, Weyoun (Sp?) who has been recloned but without the previous ones memories (serves as Dominion representative of the ship), and a tough "shoot first ask questions later" guy who is an ex member of Sector (was it 37, whatever it was), and who kind of acts like a Space Marine kind of character. Additional cast members to fill out the usual doctor, engineer, etc.
*A female character who is picked up from a deserted alien world who appears to be human, like 99.9999% human, yet strangely not for that minute difference that they can't put their finger on. She ends up joinning the crew; secrets of her origin impact future seasons.
*The Series starts out a few years after a full on Borg Invasion. Huge increases in technology due to stuff Voyager brought back as well as Dominion assistance have given the Federation a fighting chance against the borg. Various episodes in Seasons 1 and 2 deal with the war against the Borg. Season 3 deals almost entirely with it, and concludes it.
*Borg infiltrate the new ship and assimilate part of it, but are then deal with in an early episode. For the remainder of the series the ship has borg technology aboard it. Seven on Nine makes a one episode guest appearance to show them how to use it to their advantage.
*First season introduces everything that is to come: Conflict with the borg, Unrest within the Federation, introduction of a powerful new species from outside the galaxy. Unrest within the Federation is first spurred on by an episode in which a Federation ships crew, having broken the Prime Directive, is taken prisoner by an alien world. The aliens threaten war on the Federation if anymore Federation people interfere with thier laws of execution. A group of renegade humans break off from the Federation to launch attacks against these aliens while the Federation as a whole tries to find a better way; behind the scenes a Federation leader (captain or admiral) is using incidents like this to form ideas of distruct about the leadership of the Federation).
*Season Two continues this trend of developing the borg war, federation unrest, and relations with the new alien race (which has had a few nasty encounters, but overall has become tranquil by now and there is no fighting, though they refuse to help with the borg even though they are shown to be powerful enough to destroy entire groups of cubes without much trouble). Opening episode introduces another new race, though one that isn't much on talking and is a villainous race. Stand alone episodes also develop characters and other plotlines. Season two finale is a two part episode taking place on DS9 in which the crew stops off there and witnesses the return of Sisko, who is sent to battle the second coming of Pa'Wraiths (again, sp?)
*Season 3 is full on borg war. The borg have done a really nasty thing; they found the remnants of Data and put him back together as the new head of the Borg Collective. He leads the Borg to near victory, but the Borg are ultimately defeated at the end of the season thanks to Data's old personality resurfacing; he sacrifices himself once again, but this time the effect is the destruction of most of the Borg Cubes in the area and destabilizing the collective somewhat. Thus ends the legacy of Data, and thus ends the Borg War subplot.
*Season 4 continues like Season 2, building up on the unrest plotline and the new aliens. Revelation that the girl who is 99.99% human has connection with the new aliens. Villainous race from Season 2 returns, we learn more about them and the fact that they have a connection of being created by the aliens from another Galaxy, but they are also enemies of those aliens.
*Season 5: The Federation villain's conspiracy plot comes a head. It is revealed to go way beyond him--an entire large society of people seeking to overthrow the existing Federation. He succeeds in launching a Coup shortly after being awarded command of the latest Federation battleship--an overpowered design that *he* got approved to be built for use against the borg.
*Season 6: The Federation Civil War. Explores the philosophical and political ramifications of the Federations citizens being at odds with one another.
*Season 7: Resolve the Federation Civil War and the defeat of the Federation leader villain. Alien race from outside the galaxy is revealed to have had subtle hand in the civil war and the villain's conspiracy plot. The Federation is now weak, almost crippled, from the combined damage of the Civil War and the Borg war. This alien race easily sweeps in and conquers Earth.

Next series in Star Trek is about the Federation remants attempting to liberate Earth, even though their enemy is someone that they seemingly cannot win against. The Villainous race introduced in Season two of the previous series makes large appearances, ultimately becoming a galactic threat that forces cooperation between the Federation and thier conquerers.

Far From Realmer

02-01-2007, 11:56 PM

Why is everyone so hooked on turning Star Trek into another Babylon 5/BSG/Andromeda?

ragnarok_2012

02-02-2007, 12:07 AM

Why is everyone so hooked on turning Star Trek into another Babylon 5/BSG/Andromeda?

Well, there are the obvious connections between Star Trek and Andromeda.

Babylon 5 and the new BSG have raised the bar for sci-fi television. It's only natural that fans would want to use them as role models.

I want to see Star Trek totally reimagined and rebooted, and I want it to be on a qualitative par with the new Galactica.

I'm not saying I want it dark and brutal. But I do want characters to be more three-dimensional.

And post-Babylon 5, I simply can't stand one-dimensional aliens. I have zero interest in a tv show where every klingon is a warrior......they have an empire where we never see subject planets or species.....etc.

The best Star Trek I have ever encountered is by Diane Duane. I love her early Star Trek novels. I'd crib a lot from her work if I were going to reboot Star Trek.

Far From Realmer

02-02-2007, 12:20 AM

Well, there are the obvious connections between Star Trek and Andromeda.

And the shattered paradise theme isn't one of them, i prefer it that way. Throw away a shows identity and all you got is x featuring said show.

Babylon 5 and the new BSG have raised the bar for sci-fi television. It's only natural that fans would want to use them as role models.

But we must understand what works and what doesn't. BSG has no aliens that we've seen and thus is really just man vs machine and the moral conflict that comes with that. Star trek has done the man/machine angle already. And Babylon 5 is a whole other thing with a completey different background, aliens, universe, etc. So it's path doesn't really work for Star trek, were humans are part of a long running government with complex rules on how things are handled.

I want to see Star Trek totally reimagined and rebooted, and I want it to be on a qualitative par with the new Galactica.
Angst is getting a bit old. And while it's nice and fitting to see the few survivers of humanity limp around dealing with their moral issues. It has no place in normal Star Trek, thats what they made the mirror universe for.

And post-Babylon 5, I simply can't stand one-dimensional aliens. I have zero interest in a tv show where every klingon is a warrior......they have an empire where we never see subject planets or species.....etc.

Your choice, but bringing down the feds ain't gong to make it happen.

ragnarok_2012

02-02-2007, 12:39 AM

And the shattered paradise theme isn't one of them, i prefer it that way. Throw away a shows identity and all you got is x featuring said show.

All I can say is that I didn't like Andromeda at all after the first season and a half or so. At best, early Andromeda was enjoyable, low-rent sci-fi that never really lived up to its potential.

But we must understand what works and what doesn't. BSG has no aliens that we've seen and thus is really just man vs machine and the moral conflict that comes with that. Star trek has done the man/machine angle already. And Babylon 5 is a whole other thing with a completey different background, aliens, universe, etc. So it's path doesn't really work for Star trek, were humans are part of a long running government with complex rules on how things are handled.

You seem to want all the old Star Trek continuity. I want to start fresh and rebuild the whole franchise. It sounds like you're arguing for Superman Returns, and I'm arguing for Batman Begins.

Angst is getting a bit old. And while it's nice and fitting to see the few survivers of humanity limp around dealing with their moral issues. It has no place in normal Star Trek, thats what they made the mirror universe for.

Where did I say I wanted angst, Realmer?

I want a high quality, rebooted Star Trek. I want optimism, I want adventure, and I want much harder sci-fi. I want it to be smart, and I want it to have a lot of heart.

This is why I said qualitative par. I want it to be just as well made as BSG, but to still keep the heart of what it means to be Star Trek.

Far From Realmer

02-02-2007, 12:55 AM

I want a high quality, rebooted Star Trek. I want optimism, I want adventure, and I want much harder sci-fi. I want it to be smart, and I want it to have a lot of heart.

This is why I said qualitative par. I want it to be just as well made as BSG, but to still keep the heart of what it means to be Star Trek.
Then why are we debating, i was complaining about the people that want to turn current trek into "dark trek" not the ones that just want to restart things, but keeping the optimistic universe we know and love alive:).

Ontir

02-02-2007, 01:08 AM

I would never want to turn "Trek" into say the current "BSG," which I love. It still has to remain spiritually true to what Roddenberry began, but it doesn't have to be all sunshine and happiness, either. The original series had some really dark tones in it. The Earth of Star Trek was born out of the holocaust brought about by Nostradamus' Third Anti-Christ: Khan Nonnian Singh. The thing that made them pull together, as one united people, was that they'd so devastated themselves, that no country could survive without the others. It was only after that step had been taken, that they met the Vulcans, and then the Andorians, which birthed the Federation.

Then, they had a horrible war with the Romulans, which resulted in the formation of the Neutral Zone. Later, the Organians imposed a similar set-up, upon the Federation and the Klingons, to avert another, probably more terrible war. Over and over, they encountered incredibly hostile beings, who killed a number of the Enterprise' crew. The thing about "Trek" is, that they are a people who have overcome a great deal, and believe they can bring reason and peace, ultimately.

BoosterBronze

02-02-2007, 03:49 PM

Since I started this thread, I thought I'd come up with a concept.

I'd fast foreward ninety years from ST:TNG and do another crew on the new Enterprise.
The federation has just come to an uneasy peace after a twelve year war with a new alien alliance, made of half a dozen species from another galaxy. Here are some character concepts.

The Captain: An explorer by nature, he never wanted to be a war hero, but became one, and after the war was granted command of the new flagship.

First Officer: An ambition officer who wanted command of Enterprise, and chafes under the celebrated war hero.

Commander: The captain's best friend, shell-shocked after the war. He rides the edge of being an unsuitable officer, but the captain looks out for him.

Tactical Officer: A young woman, who began with starfleet as a child prodigy, now questioning if she truly wants to continue this path in the post-war world.

Marine: Make a point that the Enterprise carries a batallion of marines, led by a grizzled old dude with three cybernetic limbs and a robot eye.

Overall the show would explore somewhat more complicated character relationships than normal for a Trek show. The theme would be mostly optimistic, but grittier than TNG since it involved the rebuilding of a war torn galaxy.

Cyke

02-02-2007, 03:53 PM

Why is everyone so hooked on turning Star Trek into another Babylon 5/BSG/Andromeda?

Hey, don't look at me. Very few people seem to want return to the exploration aspect of the franchise :)

And Voyager wasn't exploration.

Ontir

02-02-2007, 04:36 PM

I'd like to get into the exploration aspect of it, partially because I'd like to get into some really weird stuff, on non-M-Class worlds, which can only be described via CGI. I'd also like it to have a cohesive framework, which uses the bits that were accumulated, but now doing all the "Wouldn't it be cool if they'd..."s.

TheLazy

02-02-2007, 05:35 PM

Hey, don't look at me. Very few people seem to want return to the exploration aspect of the franchise :)

And Voyager wasn't exploration.

Exploration can only take you so far before you start bordering on the ridiculous. How many races have been discovered that are never used again? Whats next? do the crew discover god?

I like the idea of hope, but when you have the federation as arguebly the most powerful allience in the universe, then theres not much to counter balence that hope. They seem to have a reasonably peaceful existance, and quite simply that becomes dull. The obvious idea is to find a new threat, but that was done with DS9 and to a certain extent with the borgs. So instead of just giving a group of people a mountain to climb, letting them be ever hoepful, hows about we make them question they're hope, make them falible, make them fail?

Thats where I think the start trek acadamy could work. Have a group of young students questioning their roles, reveal corruption in the very core of the federation, face defeat and lose, only to find their way back to the top. We all knew that Sisko (best captian ever IMO) was going to come through in DS9, we all knew Janeway was going to find her way home. What about if we all think that *insert name here* is going to become a great captian, but then he doesnt, he quits. He become a mercenary, his girl friend is assimilated by the borg, and his best friend is charged with bringing him in. The people around him wonder how things have changed so much since they all started, they loose hope, they seem to have no purpose. Id rather watch that than a cardboard cut out crew with token alien/andriod/borg or other outside member, as the crew engaes in pradictable relationships.

Star trek can be good when its good, but it can also be very blande, full of stereotypes. I liked the new spin DS9 had, kind of like a space opera version of the west wing. I think that a klingon series could follow the same kind of family and honour dynamics as the Sopranos, but to be honest, I'd rather see The Star Fleet acadamy. We can see what all these captians we've seen over the years have had to go through. But thats me, I like the idea falible people, falling as they walk their path, contfonted by conflict and making mistakes, which they learn from.

:)

Black Atom

02-02-2007, 06:11 PM

I'd like to recapture the wonder, curiosity and introspective sense of sci-fi from the era the original series came from. Watching theoriginal show it always seemed to me that, even though Kirk and his crew came from a time so far advanced, they were still childlike before the mysteries of the universe. The later series never felt that way to me. I'd want to bring that back to the show. Space should seem so large that even an alliance like the Federation feels tiny and insignificant before it. With all the wars and treaties and things that crept into the later shows (which was a natural progression) we sort of lose sight of that. I think it'll help the series to get back to basics.

I'm reminded of Powell and Donovan, the engineers from Asimov's I, Robot stories. I'd like to see a series about a very small group of researchers who are sent to explore specific occurring phenomena each week out in the uninhabited ass crack of the universe. I think it's natural to want to do an "After the Federation" type show because of the inherent drama, but I think you can return to the exploration aspect if you A) make the ST universe feel like there's something still LEFT to explore and B) work with a smaller, isolated group.

Cyke

02-03-2007, 03:47 AM

Exploration can only take you so far before you start bordering on the ridiculous. How many races have been discovered that are never used again? Whats next? do the crew discover god?

Pish posh. Even when there were recurring baddies, Trek would run into something new. Kirk Vs. the Klingons = the Organians. Picard Vs. Q = Borg. Janeway Vs. Borg = Species 8472. Sisko Vs. the Cardassians = The Dominion. The Organians showed that there was more to creation than petty squabbles. The Borg showed just how dangerous and frightening the galaxy could be. Species 8472 showed a reality unlike anything seen before, with a species that was impossibly complex. The Dominion was the Federation Gone Bad and helped explore the spiritual nature of a tiny but important planet.

The problem with Voyager was that almost every single species they came across wasn't particularly deep or well thought out. The majority of the time, new species would be comparable to Voyager's tech, little above or below, but hardly at such a huge extreme, which made exploration pretty dull, and while there were visually different aliens popping up in every other scene in the then-budding Star Wars prequels and shows like Andromeda, Voyager was relegated to the Forehead Alien of the Week.

The key isn't to make exploration commonplace, the key is to make exploration worthwhile, storywise and themewise. Shows like the Outer Limits or Doctor Who would urge viewers to take a further step to see what else is out there. Star Trek in its later years were more concerned about domestic issues than actually taking a dive into the unknown.

And, considering all the avenues Trek has come up over the years, ideas were never scarce, they just weren't exploited. Concepts like the Expanse were different and vast, but could've been used better. And in the last episode of TNG, Q took Picard in a very different quest of exploration, one where mapping stars was useless.

the goddamn batman

02-03-2007, 06:54 AM

I just want more Star Trek.

The Batman

02-03-2007, 12:12 PM

TheLazy

02-03-2007, 02:57 PM

I think someone hasn't seen Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

"What does God need with a starship?"

:D

Is that the one with the whale?:confused:

:)

The Batman

02-04-2007, 10:40 PM

Is that the one with the whale?:confused:

:)

There's a Scotty fat joke in there some where. I just know there is. :)

TheLazy

02-05-2007, 06:37 AM

ragnarok_2012

02-05-2007, 07:11 PM

No, theres one of the star treks with a whale that they have to bring back from the 20th century to stop earths destruction. I always thought that was 5.

But now you mention it, I dont get why they didnt just use scotty.:D

:)

Star Trek IV is the one you're thinking of.

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier is the one written & directed by Bill Shatner. Rumor has it that the original script was so bad that the producers made him get it polished up by some other people.

Off the top of my head:

*It's considered the worst Star Trek movie ever....or at least was until Nemesis came along.
*Bones, Kirk & Spock sing "Row, Row, Row your Boat".....twice.
*Kirk climbs a mountain....and gains maybe 40 lbs in the close-ups
*It's the only Star Trek movie (so far) that has a Rifftrax.
*Uhura gets naked to seduce and beguile a group of desert people. Nichols is about 60 and overweight.

Cyke

02-05-2007, 11:34 PM

Star Trek IV is the one you're thinking of.

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier is the one written & directed by Bill Shatner. Rumor has it that the original script was so bad that the producers made him get it polished up by some other people.

Off the top of my head:

*It's considered the worst Star Trek movie ever....or at least was until Nemesis came along.
*Bones, Kirk & Spock sing "Row, Row, Row your Boat".....twice.
*Kirk climbs a mountain....and gains maybe 40 lbs in the close-ups
*It's the only Star Trek movie (so far) that has a Rifftrax.
*Uhura gets naked to seduce and beguile a group of desert people. Nichols is about 60 and overweight.

I can't believe that I'm defending ST5, but here I go...

...first, let me state off the bat that, yes, ST5 was the worst. No ILM, no good structure, no pacing, etc. etc. etc.

But when the movie was first being written up, some of the ideas were *fantastic*. In the original drafts, it would've been revealed that the Great Barrier wasn't a true physical barrier, but rather a cosmic metaphor for the 'barrier' between science and religion. By reconciling the two, you could make your way through it. No other ship could get through because they were looking to prove (religion) or disprove (science) God. And while the being in the center was never God, it was intended to be Satan instead. The crew then realize that, since there's a Devil, then there must be a God.

Of course, blame too many cooks in the kitchen (plus Shatner himself. I love the guy, but he does have limits) trying to make it as lighthearted as IV, among other things.

Doesitmatter

02-06-2007, 03:07 PM

"YOU have to create new Star Trek series!"

You can't make me.

Predator

02-06-2007, 03:47 PM

If I had to make a new series, I'd adapt Peter David's New Frontier series for television. Basic plot is the same: The Thallonian Empire has fallen and various conflicts have begun to spread across Sector 221-G. In an effort to build peace in the region, Starfleet has sent the USS Excalibur captained by Mackenzie Calhoun. Some changes from the original concept though:

1. It might have to take place sometime after the Dominion War, say 5 years or so.

2. Might have to find a new actress for Commander Shelby. Maybe make her Shelby's niece or something.

3. Make the Redeemers--a religiously fanatical race--the main villains for the first few years.

4. Since many TOS and TNG actors are older, the story would porbably have to be altered so that they don't appear. Picard would still work, Spock is a potential, but Scotty would be out of the question.

Seasons would break down as such.

Season 1: The crew is formed and sent on their mission and bascially explore sector 221-G for the season. I see it as a combination stand alone episodes with some multi-parters that flesh out the characters and also contribute to the overall story. There could be conflicts with former factions of the Thallonian Empire, such as General Thull. Books #1-6 and Double Helix: Double or Nothing would be the basis for this season.

Season 2: This would be the year where the Redeemers take center stage. With the Thallonians gone, they've started to "convert" planets over to the worship of Xant. Calhoun's son Xyon would also be introduced, and the season would end with the self-destruction of the Excalibur. Books 7-8 and the Double Time OGN would be the guides for this season.

Season 3: The first half the season would focus on the scattered crew and their eventual reunion. The second half would deal with the Gateway war and the Gods from TOS. Although the first half of the season would be set outside Sector 221-G, the crew would be returning by the second half. Books #9-14 and the Gateways tie-in would be the guide.

Season 4: This season would be books 15-16, possibly the Mirror Universe short story, and whatever the next New Frontier book would be. However Peter David decides to go with the series, this may be the final season.