Mutant League 01/25/2007 AM Game 7: Siddon & venuscameback vs. The Lucky One

[mattbib]

Welcome to our first match of the day...

In the first corner we have Siddon & venuscameback's Ultra Famentale Phased Purple Lightning Stars (Storm, Mentallo, Shadowcat, Firestar, Ultragirl, Persuasion, Fatale)

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In the other corner is The Lucky One's Pack (Marvel Girl, Siryn, Nocturne, Sunfire, Boost, Outlaw, Kylun)

Both participants have submitted strategies:

[mattbib]

Phase 1:


Storm whips up a mighty … storm
Firestar fires microwaves at Siryn and Sunfire
Persuasion releases her mind-controlling pheromones
Mentallo psi-bolts Boost, then attacks Marvel Girl
Ultragirl speeds right into Marvel Girl and any shield she’s put up, demolishing both
Fatale teleports Kitty and herself across enemy lines. Fatale stabs Marvel Girl
Storm takes to the air and generates a massive storm, making it harder for flyers to cross the battlefield, significantly slowing them down & making it much harder for anyone to make accurate long-range shots. Not only are there massive winds but also random lightning bolts spewing out in the middle of the storm & on the other side - Sunfire, Siryn etc. had better watch out! This also generates Storm's lightning aura, which disrupts psionic activity and makes her extremely resistant to telepathic assaults.

Firestar, Storm, Persuasion & Mentallo remain our side of the storm, and the flyers take to the air. Firestar & Storm will get in the way of anyone who tries to attack Mentallo, but they're also acting as poachers - anyone who traverses the storm will be spotted before they make it through, and Firestar and Storm are ready to fire on them and take them down before they can make effective attacks. Persuasion throws out her mind-controlling pheromones all around our side of the battlefield; anyone who makes it through the storm will quickly fall under her control and turn on their team-mates.

Mentallo psi-bolts Boost – who has no resistance to telepathic attacks and should crumple - and then engages Rachel telepathically. He's never going to beat her, but he will engage with her and she'll have to respond, making her unable to TP attack anyone else & while Mentallo is wearing his helmet he is immune to telepathic attack.

Ultragirl speeds (the handbook lists her speed as 700mph, so it takes well under one second for her to traverse the battlefield) right into Marvel Girl, knocking her out; if there's a shield up, that shield will fall and Marvel Girl will be knocked flying and stunned by the massive punch. Remember what Ultragirl did to Justice in Ultragirl #2? Justice was stood, shield up and braced for her hit. One punch, from standing, and Justice goes flying back through three buildings. Justice has much more experience of using TK as a defensive shield than Marvel Girl does, so let’s see what happens when Ultragirl's got some momentum behind and is trying to hit hard. I predict Marvel Girl’s TK shield collapses and Ultragirl flies through it and right into her, taking Marvel Girl down right away.

However, just to be sure, Fatale teleports with Shadowcat behind enemy lines; Kitty phases Fatale up close to Marvel Girl & they solidify and Fatale stabs Marvel Girl with her poisoned paralysing spikes. Kitty has Fatale's back, prepared to stop Nocturne from jumping into either of them and possessing them.

Conclusion: Boost and Marvel Girl have fallen, and there’s a massive storm dominating the battlefield

Phase 2:


The fire resistant Ultragirl takes care of Sunfire
Storm increases the storm’s intensity and rains lightning bolts down in the midst of it & at any opponent who miraculously made it through unscathed.
Firestar fires on any opponent who made it through the storm
Mentallo psi-bolts Nocturne
Fatale fires her plasma cannons on Siryn, cutting her down from behind
Kitty takes down Outlaw or Kylun.
Ultragirl turns her attentions to Sunfire after charging Rachel; she heals from major burns in seconds so and has shown herself to have no fear or fire/burns since discovering that power, heading into major fires without hesitation, so she'll have no concern about tackling Sunfire and making short work of him.

Storm whips up the storm as big as she can and rains lightning bolts down on anyone in the midst of it, or emerging from it. Persuasion waits for someone to come close enough to be affected by her pheromones. Firestar fires microwave blasts at any opponent trying to traverse the storm or who’s made it through the storm. Anyone who made it through the lightning storm will be pretty whacked, while Storm & Firestar are fresh.

Mentallo telepathically locates Nocturne and psi-bolts her. If she has somehow possessed one of our crew, he takes telepathic action to evict her from their body & mind and then turns his telepathy on her.

Fatale trains her plasma cannons on Siryn, who should be facing the opposite way & be easily struck down from behind. Any major scream that Siryn got off in the opening salvo will have affected her own team too, given they’re much closer to her than her opponents.

Kitty goes intangible until she’s up close to Outlaw or Kylun, and engages them with the ninja fighting skills that took down Wolverine. It’s sometimes forgotten that she’s a highly skilled fighter, and she puts those skills to good use here.

Conclusion: Sunfire, Nocturne, Siryn and either Outlaw or Kylun have fallen


Now only either Outlaw or Kylun remain. Kitty phases up close to them while fatale lays down plasma cannon fire, and Kitty solidifies long enough to get a surprise hit in and defeat them.

[mattbib]

Soundtrack: Start Me Up by the Rolling Stones

Phase 1: immediate, simultaneous

Marvel Girl instantly grabs Fatale’s mind and locks it down, preventing her from teleporting herself or anyone else. At the same time she blocks any psi-attack Mentallo may launch on my team, while Boost dives into Marvel Girl, turbo-charging her powers.
Siryn takes off toward Storm; Kylun listens carefully to her sonic scream as she goes.
Sunfire flies off in Firestar’s direction.
Nocturne dives inside Outlaw, possessing her.Phase 2: 3-10 seconds later

Marvel Girl (enhanced by Boost) releases Fatale with a final, painful psi-bolt, then does two things: 1) telekinetically grabs Mentallo and holds him on the ground (or, if he’s engaged his flying disc already, drags him back down); and 2) gives Shadowcat a TK shove toward him, with a subtle telepathic prompt to dive at him and phase (which Kitty instinctively does anyway in uncertain situations). As she passes through Mentallo, Kitty short-circuits all his gear… including his psi-enhancing helmet. With the helmet gone, Marvel Girl shuts Mentallo down in a matter of seconds.

Siryn reaches Storm, continually altering her pitch to disorient the wind witch, then looses a barrage of sound waves that can shatter steel. Now, Storm’s money at avoiding attacks in the air, but have you ever tried to dodge hearing something? Exactly. Even hurricane force winds can’t drown out the volume of Siryn’s cry, and she’s nearly as maneuverable as Storm. Granted, Storm’s damn good, so Siryn may or may not ultimately beat her… but she’ll keep the windrider busy for a minute or two, which is all that’s needed.

Sunfire nears Firestar. Both are immune to heat and radiation, so this fight comes down to simple biology… and unfortunately for Angelica, Shiro is taller, heavier, and stronger, with a forcefield that partially blunts physical attacks. Using his Famine powers to induce incredible, distracting hunger in Firestar, Sunfire catches her and delivers a series of punches to the face, augmented by solar blasts- the heat won’t hurt her, but the physical impact of the plasma will. Against that onslaught, Angelica can’t maintain consciousness for long.

Nocturne/Outlaw is running across the field, yelling insults (“Bitch!”) and firing her guns at Ultra Girl to draw her attention. As UG notices and speeds toward her, Nocturne stops and times it… and just as UG gets within reach to deliver a mighty punch, Nocturne leaps out of Outlaw’s body and into hers. Leaving Outlaw conscious, Nocturne now controls Ultra Girl’s body.Phase 3: 10-30 seconds later

Recovering from the brief mental lockdown and psi-bolt, Fatale will likely make herself (and probably Persuasion) invisible and teleport over to my team’s side. However, Kylun is guarding Marvel Girl and watching them closely, and as soon as they disappear from sight, he opens up with a perfect duplication of Siryn’s sonic scream. Kylun sticks close to Marvel Girl and moves around her in all directions, screaming as he goes; if Fatale and Persuasion pop up anywhere nearby, they’ll receive the brunt of the scream, breaking Fatale’s concentration and making them visible again.
Marvel Girl should be finished with Mentallo by now, so just in case Kylun’s scream hasn’t worked, she can grab hold of Fatale’s mind again and make her become visible… at which point Kylun gives Fatale a brutal sonic blast and slices her with his Zz’ria swords, putting her down for good
Meanwhile, no longer playing host to Nocturne, Outlaw is free to hang back and pump multiple bullets into Persuasion from a distance too far for pheromone control. Simple, cowpokes.
Phase 4: 30 seconds-1 minute later

That leaves Storm and Shadowcat. Once Marvel Girl has finished with Mentallo (and assisting with Fatale if necessary), she grabs Kitty’s mind. Kitty has some psi-defense training, but Astonishing reaffirmed that she can’t hold off a strong, highly trained telepath for long… particularly not one being enhanced by Boost. It may take time, as Ray wants to go easy on her best friend, but she knows Kitty well enough to overwhelm her defenses and shut her down telepathically before long.
As mentioned, Storm may have beaten Siryn by now… but even if she has, she’s now double-teamed by Sunfire and Nocturne/Ultra Girl. Meanwhile, Outlaw is firing on her from the ground, and Kylun takes up where Siryn left off with the sonic scream. A barrage of solar plasma, sonic screams, super-strength, and bullets is just too much to handle, even for Storm; especially when Marvel Girl finishes Kitty and joins the fray, dragging Storm underground to play on her claustrophobia if need be. Before long, Ororo will fall… and, pausing to respect their worthy opponents, the Pack prepares for their next match

[venuscameback]

Nice strategy, Drew - may the best team win

My first thought - Marvel Girl is so busy attacking Fatale, Mentallo and Shadowcat (for starters) that she has no defensive options against Ultragirl, who, expecting to charge into a TK shield, will pretty much knock her head off her shoulders

[venuscameback]

Siryn and Sunfire both wait until they're closeby Storm & Firestar to attack - whereas Storm is firing lightning bolts at them while they head on over, and Firestar also takes the distance attack option. Chances are Siryn & Sunfire won't get close enough to hurt Storm & Firestar.

[The Lucky One]

Likewise, Ian... best of luck to you guys.

As for Ultra Girl, you raise a good point, but I question her effectiveness at the level you're describing. Her top speed may be 700 mph, but she's not instantly that fast from a dead stop, plus it requires a second or two to rise into the air. And since Siryn and Sunfire are flying toward your team, there's also the matter of manuevering around them, plus the storm you've got Ororo whipping up. I have to believe that by that time, Nocturne would have taken over Outlaw and be working on distracting UG. Add in the fact that UG has appeared in 6 comics total since her creation and is very much not a trained warrior or veteran of superhero battles, and I have to imagine she'd be prone to distraction.

But ultimately that's up to voters to decide. Good luck! :)

-D

[The Lucky One]

Siryn and Sunfire both wait until they're closeby Storm & Firestar to attack - whereas Storm is firing lightning bolts at them while they head on over, and Firestar also takes the distance attack option. Chances are Siryn & Sunfire won't get close enough to hurt Storm & Firestar.

No offense, but bollocks. Under a constant sonic barrage, Storm is going to have a lot of trouble aiming those suckers, and she's going to be too busy with Siryn to concentrate on Sunfire. And Firestar's distance attack is irrelevant because Sunfire is immune to it.

-D

[venuscameback]

No offense, but bollocks. Under a constant sonic barrage, Storm is going to have a lot of trouble aiming those suckers, and she's going to be too busy with Siryn to concentrate on Sunfire. And Firestar's distance attack is irrelevant because Sunfire is immune to it.

-D

Storm isn't under a constant barrage in your strategy, Drew, you write that Siryn gets up close before attacking Storm.

I forgot about Sunfire's immunity to radiation, good point

[venuscameback]

Likewise, Ian... best of luck to you guys.

As for Ultra Girl, you raise a good point, but I question her effectiveness at the level you're describing. Her top speed may be 700 mph, but she's not instantly that fast from a dead stop, plus it requires a second or two to rise into the air. And since Siryn and Sunfire are flying toward your team, there's also the matter of manuevering around them, plus the storm you've got Ororo whipping up. I have to believe that by that time, Nocturne would have taken over Outlaw and be working on distracting UG. Add in the fact that UG has appeared in 6 comics total since her creation and is very much not a trained warrior or veteran of superhero battles, and I have to imagine she'd be prone to distraction.

But ultimately that's up to voters to decide. Good luck! :)

-D

Ultragirl regularly performed speed feats in her solo book & it seems unlikely that she'd take a couple of seconds to get airborne :rolleyes:. She's relatively inexperienced in combat, sure, but she's also focused and determined and, knowing that Rachel is the big threat on her team, is unlikely to be distracted by a cowgirl

[Atom_basher]

i dunno who my team will vote for but this is a great battle, i don't completely buy EVERYTHING from both teams, but still great strats gonna be hard to decided

[Joe Zool]

Ian's team seems more agile and well-planned out--every action is predicted down to the tiniest details, so he gets my vote.

[twilight]

Ian's team seems more agile and well-planned out--every action is predicted down to the tiniest details, so he gets my vote.

Joe pretty much summed up my feelings towards the match.

[Atom_basher]

Im not so sure Ultragirl is dealt with in the most convincing way, correct me if im wrong

[venuscameback]

Im not so sure Ultragirl is dealt with in the most convincing way, correct me if im wrong

Ultragirl's given the mission to attack and take down the most dangerous member of the opposition, and Drew thinks she'll be distracted in this most serious mission by the weakest member - on paper - of his team, Outlaw (nothing against Outlaw). I don't think so.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I voting for v.c.b and Siddon because I think that Ultragirl wouldn't let herself be distracted from taking away Marvel Girl and when that's done the Lucky One's team is kinda screwed.

[The Lucky One]

Ultragirl's given the mission to attack and take down the most dangerous member of the opposition, and Drew thinks she'll be distracted in this most serious mission by the weakest member - on paper - of his team, Outlaw (nothing against Outlaw). I don't think so.

Fair enough, but I think you're forgetting the backup plan. Kylun is specifically mentioned as defending Rachel, so if valley girl Ultra Girl gets anywhere near her, she's getting a faceful of sonic blast, after which it'd be easy for Nocturne to ambush her while she's dazed. Either way, Marvel Girl's not going down.

-D

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

can he hit something moving that fast? thats almost speed of sound right?

[venuscameback]

Fair enough, but I think you're forgetting the backup plan. Kylun is specifically mentioned as defending Rachel, so if valley girl Ultra Girl gets anywhere near her, she's getting a faceful of sonic blast, after which it'd be easy for Nocturne to ambush her while she's dazed. Either way, Marvel Girl's not going down.

-D

Kylun's written as specifically on guard for a teleporting Fatale. If I was on guard for a teleporter, I'd be watching Rachel's back, not looking for someone charging at her from the front. You do write Kylun as jumping all around, screaming - but how many jumps can he make before Ultragirl arrives? and wouldn't all those screams distract Marvel Girl as much as anything?

[The Lucky One]

Kylun's written as specifically on guard for a teleporting Fatale. If I was on guard for a teleporter, I'd be watching Rachel's back, not looking for someone charging at her from the front. You do write Kylun as jumping all around, screaming - but how many jumps can he make before Ultragirl arrives? and wouldn't all those screams distract Marvel Girl as much as anything?

What I wrote was that he was circling her, not watching her back specifically. As for distracting Marvel Girl, they're not focused AT her, so it's more background noise; and honestly, I think even a distracted (but Boosted) Marvel Girl is capable of taking out a scrub like Mentallo. I specifically made a point of not having her do too much at once to minimize accusations of overvaluing psis like in earlier matches this year; next match I'll have to remember not to do that.

can he hit something moving that fast? thats almost speed of sound right?

The speed of sound in a vacuum is 770 mph. So, over a straightaway with room to build up speed, and zero air/wind resistance, Ultra Girl is theoretically nearly as fast as sound.

Fortunately, that's not the case here. ;) And quite honestly, she's got a valley girl personality with strong powers but next to zero battle experience; I really don't see her being nearly as much of a threat as Ian's implying. Though as always, that's for voters to decide.

-D

[Brian M.]

Initially I'm going with TLO on this one. Marvel Girl is amazingly strong and w/ Boost helping her...who knows. I'm gonna wait until Atom_Basher gets on so we can talk about who to vote for. I'll ask any questions that I can think of.

[The Lucky One]

Fatale teleports Kitty and herself across enemy lines. Fatale stabs Marvel Girl

I have to believe that Kitty is absolutely not going to go along with any strategy that involves murdering one of her best friends. Remember, everyone is written as in character, so she wouldn't help Fatale accomplish that.

Storm takes to the air and generates a massive storm, making it harder for flyers to cross the battlefield, significantly slowing them down & making it much harder for anyone to make accurate long-range shots.

That's a decent long-term strategy, but Storm needs a few seconds to call appropriate weather patterns together; it's not instantaneous. By that time Sunfire and Siryn will already be there, rendering the action moot.

-D

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Fortunately, that's not the case here. ;) And quite honestly, she's got a valley girl personality with strong powers but next to zero battle experience; I really don't see her being nearly as much of a threat as Ian's implying. Though as always, that's for voters to decide.

-D

She's going to just basically ram into Rachel, so im not sure battle experience is required.

Ill do a full play by play later between your two teams to see which one comes out on top

[venuscameback]

And quite honestly, she's got a valley girl personality with strong powers but next to zero battle experience; I really don't see her being nearly as much of a threat as Ian's implying. Though as always, that's for voters to decide.

-D

I'm not entirely sure what a valley girl personality is, Drew, but I guess it's an Americanism and that you mean it derogatary. Have you read her mini? She's depicted as a fairly intelligent (no genius, sure) woman who's repeatedly dismissed as a dumb blonde before surprising folk that there's much more to her than meets the eye. Just ask Justice, he got his ass handed to him.

and she's gutsy, taking down a Sentinel on her own in her first appearance, easily breaking free of it when it trapped her in the palm of it's hand and made a fist - getting horribly burned in her fight against Effex didn't stop her going straight back in after her regen. kicked in. She healed in seconds, but it was traumatic experience & once she knew she was okay she was right back in the fight.

I know it's in your interests to play down her abilities and mindset, Drew, and it's true she has limited battle experience - but how much do experience do you need to be able to fly at a sitting target?

[The Lucky One]

I'm not entirely sure what a valley girl personality is, Drew, but I guess it's an Americanism and that you mean it derogatary. Have you read her mini? She's depicted as a fairly intelligent (no genius, sure) woman who's repeatedly dismissed as a dumb blonde before surprising folk that there's much more to her than meets the eye. Just ask Justice, he got his ass handed to him.

and she's gutsy, taking down a Sentinel on her own in her first appearance, easily breaking free of it when it trapped her in the palm of it's hand and made a fist - getting horribly burned in her fight against Effex didn't stop her going straight back in after her regen. kicked in. She healed in seconds, but it was traumatic experience & once she knew she was okay she was right back in the fight.

I know it's in your interests to play down her abilities and mindset, Drew, and it's true she has limited battle experience - but how much do experience do you need to be able to fly at a sitting target?

Fair enough, Ian. I'm truly not trying to paint her as an incompetent, I know that's not true. I simply want to make sure the reverse isn't assumed by voters... she's NOT a longtime hero, so her battle reactions are going to be slower than others and she'll be less skilled at defending against counterattacks. That's all I was getting at, sorry if it came across as too derogatory.

(As for a valley girl, it's minorly derogatory, I suppose... it referred originally to rich California girls with more money than brains who used expressions like "like, for sure" a lot, then was later expanded to encompass anyone who's a bit of a ditz and uses weird young catchphrases. Jubilee, basically, but blonde. But if you say she's S-M-R-T smart, that's good enough for me; no, I haven't read her mini [nor has pretty much anyone else here, I guessing].)

Anyway, gotta get back to work... I'll check back in later.

-D

[Atom_basher]

valley girl is only derogatory is someone isn't a valley girl, but ultragirl is kind of a valley girl, but not really to her detriment

[Mitsaso]

All these alternative scenarios baffle me!!!:eek:
It all depends on whether Marvel Girl will be taken out or not, and I'm right on the fence right now... gah, I'll just wait for Lewis to come in and help me out! :p

[venuscameback]

I have to believe that Kitty is absolutely not going to go along with any strategy that involves murdering one of her best friends. Remember, everyone is written as in character, so she wouldn't help Fatale accomplish that.

The claw inflicts a paralysing poison on Rachel, it's purpose isn't to murder her

That's a decent long-term strategy, but Storm needs a few seconds to call appropriate weather patterns together; it's not instantaneous. By that time Sunfire and Siryn will already be there, rendering the action moot.

-D

Storm can, for example, summon lightning bolts at will, regardless of weather patterns (as seen in Secret Wars, for example, when she casts a lightning bolt on Spider-Man while inside a room). The full strength of the storm may take a little longer to arrive, but the lightning bolts will be causing trouble from the get-go

[venuscameback]

(As for a valley girl, it's minorly derogatory, I suppose... it referred originally to rich California girls with more money than brains who used expressions like "like, for sure" a lot, then was later expanded to encompass anyone who's a bit of a ditz and uses weird young catchphrases. Jubilee, basically, but blonde. But if you say she's S-M-R-T smart, that's good enough for me; no, I haven't read her mini [nor has pretty much anyone else here, I guessing].)

Thanks for the explanation:)

She's no genius, for sure, but after wrecking the Sentinel in issue #1 of her mini she returns to it and works out, on her own, how to disengage various parts and find the bits she needs to allow her to extract the information she needs from it so she can find out why she was attacked.

[The Lucky One]

The claw inflicts a paralysing poison on Rachel, it's purpose isn't to murder her

Works for me... if it's ONLY a paralyzing poison then it won't impact Rachel at all. All of her powers stem from her mind, which would be unaffected by her body being paralyzed.

-D

[venuscameback]

Initially I'm going with TLO on this one. Marvel Girl is amazingly strong and w/ Boost helping her...who knows. I'm gonna wait until Atom_Basher gets on so we can talk about who to vote for. I'll ask any questions that I can think of.

It's true, Rachel w/Boost would be incredibly powerful. but does Boost even get to enter her?

Mentallo's first action is to psi-bolt Boost, who has no known psi-defence. We don't use Mentallo much after that, except to help Storm & Firestar engage Siryn & Sunfire (so it's 3 against 2 there).

Whereas Rachel does several things - such as stopping Fatale teleporting - before turning to Mentallo and TK removing his helmet.

I don't see anything stopping Mentallo from taking down Boost before he can enter Marvel Girl

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Im not sure if it depends on marvel girl, but im going to have to do a full play by play later for this one.

I do know that Marvel Girl will be laid out by Ultra Power Girl Lady, i dont think that Excalibur guy can do anything to stop her. But im not sure Marvel girl would be completely knocked out of the fight by that or she would reenter the fray later

[The Lucky One]

It's true, Rachel w/Boost would be incredibly powerful. but does Boost even get to enter her?

I don't see anything stopping Mentallo from taking down Boost before he can enter Marvel Girl

The beginning of my strategy mentions that she's grabbing Fatale (also no psi-defenses) while simultaneously psi-blocking my team from Mentallo. For the world's (second) most powerful telepath, I don't think that's an unreasonable display of power for the second or so it would take Boost to dive into her.

-D

[Maka Nani]

Ultragirl pounds Marvel Girl hard and takes her down and that ruins TLO's strategy.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Has a telepath ever done that? Im not recalling any times. I know Jean didnt stop Psylocke from frying iceman's brains during X-men #3, but granted that Psychic knife is from what ive seen basically unstoppable

[The Lucky One]

Ultragirl pounds Marvel Girl hard and takes her down and that ruins TLO's strategy.

...if she's not stopped by Kylun. Or Nocturne/Outlaw. Or Marvel Girl herself.
;)

-D

[The Lucky One]

Has a telepath ever done that? Im not recalling any times. I know Jean didnt stop Psylocke from frying iceman's brains during X-men #3, but granted that Psychic knife is from what ive seen basically unstoppable

Can telepaths psi-shield non-telepaths? Yeah, definitely.

-D

[Brian M.]

Can telepaths psi-shield non-telepaths? Yeah, definitely.

-D

Most recently Blindfold shielded Cyclops against Cassandra Nova in Astonishing #18.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Okay, here's how i see the fight going down. Or rather will as ill be working through the fight as i write this.

Phase 1.

Storm whips up her mighty Storm, she is totally unopposed in this event and grounds everyone but her. A storm that powerful would have to even take out her teammates flying. Sunfire and Siryn both attempted to get airborn but were knocked back to the ground. Since Firestar was just firing in the phase description there is no reason to assume she is flying and shots and hits both Siryn and Sunfire as they fall to the ground. This does nothing to Sunfire as far as i can tell but knocks Siryn out of the fight. Since Outlaw was just standing around waiting during phase 1 and no one was targeting Nocturne that goes through and Nocturne takes possession of outlaw for a 2 for 1 special.

Now for the contested bit. I think Rachel grey is stretched too far here, if not in power in time. Since her first action was taking out Fatale she does that and even stops the first mentallo psi-bolt, but as she does nothing to fight him, he's still in play. Ultragirl runs right into Rachel and lays her out knocking her out of the fight. Ultragirl basically stops dead afterwards and all her momentum is shifted over to Rachel who flies off into the blue yonder. Here's the interesting bit. Ultragirl will be standing where rachel was, and since Boost cant react fast enough to get out of the way she may very will inadvertently give Ultragirl a power boost. This proximity to Boost keeps Kylun from doing anything to hit Ultragirl at this juncture.

Here is how i see the teams at this point.

Lighting Stars : Storm, Mentallo, Shadowcat, firestar, Ultragirl (possibly powered up), persuasion (Fatale out of action)

Pack: Nocturne, Sunfire, Boost, Outlaw, Lion-O (Rachel and Siryn are out of the fight)

Phase 2.

Storm is still in the air, now shooting lighting everywhere. Since Mentallo is still in play and was twarted in his last attempt, i believe he would try to take boost out again. Since Boost has no defense, she's out. Since Ultragirl is in the middle of the Pack, Nocturne-Outlaw are practically right next to her and i suspect that Nocturne will be able to get into Ultragirl. Kitty, sans transportation, is probably still running towards the Pack. Firestar is able to Tag the now Nocturne less Outlaw, but after that Sunfire is all over her ass.

Here's how the teams are looking now

Lighting Stars: Storm, Mentallo, Shadowcat, Persuasion

Pack: Nocturne(inside Ultra-girl who might be powered up), Sunfire, Lion-O

Phase 3

As Sunfire is the immediate threat to Mentallo due to proximity, he takes him down. Nocturne-Girl being too fast for Kitty (who is solid i'd imagine for running speed traction) her nine lives are up. With wind under her control and pheromones being a scent thing, Persuasion will get control of Lion-O.

Lighting Stars: Storm, Mentallo, Persuasion

Pack: Nocturne(inside Ultra Girl)

Since Nocturne is controlling Ultra Girl I think she can take both Mentallo and persuasion. She has some telepathy stuff and since her smelling isnt her own the pheromones would effect Ultra Girl but not her as i understand it. However Storm vs. Ultra Girl= Storm Victory.

Gotta give it to the lighting stars.

[The Lucky One]

Okay, here's how i see the fight going down. Or rather will as ill be working through the fight as i write this.

Phase 1.

Storm whips up her mighty Storm, she is totally unopposed in this event and grounds everyone but her. A storm that powerful would have to even take out her teammates flying. Sunfire and Siryn both attempted to get airborn but were knocked back to the ground. Since Firestar was just firing in the phase description there is no reason to assume she is flying and shots and hits both Siryn and Sunfire as they fall to the ground. This does nothing to Sunfire as far as i can tell but knocks Siryn out of the fight. Since Outlaw was just standing around waiting during phase 1 and no one was targeting Nocturne that goes through and Nocturne takes possession of outlaw for a 2 for 1 special.

Now for the contested bit. I think Rachel grey is stretched too far here, if not in power in time. Since her first action was taking out Fatale she does that and even stops the first mentallo psi-bolt, but as she does nothing to fight him, he's still in play. Ultragirl runs right into Rachel and lays her out knocking her out of the fight. Ultragirl basically stops dead afterwards and all her momentum is shifted over to Rachel who flies off into the blue yonder. Here's the interesting bit. Ultragirl will be standing where rachel was, and since Boost cant react fast enough to get out of the way she may very will inadvertently give Ultragirl a power boost. This proximity to Boost keeps Kylun from doing anything to hit Ultragirl at this juncture.

Here is how i see the teams at this point.

Lighting Stars : Storm, Mentallo, Shadowcat, firestar, Ultragirl (possibly powered up), persuasion (Fatale out of action)

Pack: Nocturne, Sunfire, Boost, Outlaw, Lion-O (Rachel and Siryn are out of the fight)

Phase 2.

Storm is still in the air, now shooting lighting everywhere. Since Mentallo is still in play and was twarted in his last attempt, i believe he would try to take boost out again. Since Boost has no defense, she's out. Since Ultragirl is in the middle of the Pack, Nocturne-Outlaw are practically right next to her and i suspect that Nocturne will be able to get into Ultragirl. Kitty, sans transportation, is probably still running towards the Pack. Firestar is able to Tag the now Nocturne less Outlaw, but after that Sunfire is all over her ass.

Here's how the teams are looking now

Lighting Stars: Storm, Mentallo, Shadowcat, Persuasion

Pack: Nocturne(inside Ultra-girl who might be powered up), Sunfire, Lion-O

Phase 3

As Sunfire is the immediate threat to Mentallo due to proximity, he takes him down. Nocturne-Girl being too fast for Kitty (who is solid i'd imagine for running speed traction) her nine lives are up. With wind under her control and pheromones being a scent thing, Persuasion will get control of Lion-O.

Lighting Stars: Storm, Mentallo, Persuasion

Pack: Nocturne(inside Ultra Girl)

Since Nocturne is controlling Ultra Girl I think she can take both Mentallo and persuasion. She has some telepathy stuff and since her smelling isnt her own the pheromones would effect Ultra Girl but not her as i understand it. However Storm vs. Ultra Girl= Storm Victory.

Gotta give it to the lighting stars.

Wow... well reasoned. I think I'd contest whether Storm could whip up hurricane-force winds in the 3-5 seconds it would take Siryn and Sunfire to reach the other side of the field, while also being bombarded by sonic blasts; but if one accepts that part, the rest of your logic seems sound. Thanks for putting in the thought.
:)

-D

[Maka Nani]

...if she's not stopped by Kylun. Or Nocturne/Outlaw. Or Marvel Girl herself.
;)

-D

I think Marvel Girl has a lot to do in your strategy and is too busy doing that to think about defending herself. I don't think Outlaw's hollering will distract her because Ultragirl probably won't register what they shouted until after she's collided with Marvel Girl. She's flying at 700mph and not likely to hear anything anyone says at that speed. I don't know Kylun but a 700mph woman who hits with 50tonnes strength will take a lot to stop and she will probably take Kylun down with Marvel Girl if he gets in the way.

[xakko]

boy, this is tough to call...

TLO brough up a good point early about Kitty and Rachel's relationships- these are best friends, and that has to be taken into account. it has to be another distraction for Rachel, and it will ensure Kitty's heart is not totally into the fight.

I think Storm has pulled some quick power uses before, but can't currently place them. I'm going to have to do some research this, because this is, as much as anything, key to the fight.

[The Fury]

Both good strategies. I think this will be a good and tight match.

*thinks*

[venuscameback]

I think Storm has pulled some quick power uses before, but can't currently place them. I'm going to have to do some research this, because this is, as much as anything, key to the fight.

One quick example - Uncanny #150 - when Storm arrives and joins the team in fighting Magneto, she fires a couple of lightning bolts at him, which he shields himself from and then says "They are not the only weapons at my disposal. and they are far from the most powerful" and the very next panel shows Magneto suddenly engulfed in a massive tornado. The next page is a close-up of the struggling Magneto. He's thinking "My magnetic powers are anchoring me against the cyclone's pull, but the strain is incredible. Also, the whirlwind is creating a vaccuum around me. Impossible to breath - only seconds left to act"

The massive tornado is summoned out of nowhere and has Magneto on the ropes

[The Lucky One]

I think Marvel Girl has a lot to do in your strategy and is too busy doing that to think about defending herself. I don't think Outlaw's hollering will distract her because Ultragirl probably won't register what they shouted until after she's collided with Marvel Girl.

And the bullets. Don't forget the bullets.

She's flying at 700mph and not likely to hear anything anyone says at that speed.

Yeah, but she's NOT flying at 700 mph. Man, you don't know how much I wish Ian hadn't posted an official number. Okay, people: just as you can't jump your ass off the couch and instantly be sprinting at top speed, neither can fliers immediately hit their top speed. Between dodging the other fliers (and bullets), plus Storm's apparent windstorm, Ultra Girl isn't hitting anywhere near top speed... that's just simple physics, whether you favor Ian and Siddon's strategy or mine.

I don't know Kylun but a 700mph woman who hits with 50tonnes strength will take a lot to stop and she will probably take Kylun down with Marvel Girl if he gets in the way.

Probably... I dunno, I just want people to see beyond "Kylun = C-list character" (no argument) and to "Kylun = C-list character perfectly mimicing the powers of the Banshee." You know, the sonic scream that could lift a mountain, liquify the Phalanx, and knock all the original X-Men unconscious.

As long as you mentioned it, though- Ian, does that handbook you mentioned give Ultra Girl's strength class? I'm curious because I can't find a consistent answer. I know Kree tend to have minor super-strength, I know Ms. Marvel had Class 10 (like Spider-Man); anyone know what Captain Marvel had?

-D

[Joe Acro]

Nevermind. I had a silly question that I've already answered.

[venuscameback]

"Kylun = C-list character perfectly mimicing the powers of the Banshee."

How about Kylun mimicking the powers of Siryn? I don't think Kylun has the reaction times to stop Ultragirl anyway, at the speed we're talking about (whatever the precise figure is)

As long as you mentioned it, though- Ian, does that handbook you mentioned give Ultra Girl's strength class? I'm curious because I can't find a consistent answer. I know Kree tend to have minor super-strength, I know Ms. Marvel had Class 10 (like Spider-Man); anyone know what Captain Marvel had?

-D

The handbook says " "Ultragirl is superhumanly strong (able to lift over 50 tons)"

I know that's a lot higher than your average Kree, but Ultragirl is half Kree, half mutant, so her heightened strength might come from the mutant aspect, same as her many other powers

[venuscameback]

I think Storm has pulled some quick power uses before, but can't currently place them. I'm going to have to do some research this, because this is, as much as anything, key to the fight.

A second example, this time from Uncanny #152

Nightcrawler teleports and grapples Storm. She responds with a lightning bolt and wind, which is described as "It seems to come out of nowhere, smashing through the house like an elemental battering ram, sweeping both combatants [Nightcrawler & Cyclops] off their feet. And with the unnatural wind comes the rain - a torrential monsoon. and lightning - massive bolts that gouge rough scars in the lawn, splinter aged oaks, strike down a man"

One panel, no storm, next panel - an 'elemental battering ram', complete with torrential rain and lightning

[The Fury]

One panel, no storm, next panel - an 'elemental battering ram', complete with torrential rain and lightning

Could be half an hour between those panels, you know that.

[venuscameback]

Could be half an hour between those panels, you know that.


In theory, yes, but the panel text reads "Suddenly ... it seems to come out of nowhere, smashing through the house like an elemental battering ram", so the specific point is that one moment there's no storm and the next there's powerful winds, torrential rain and lightning

[Bel-Shamharoth888]

my vote goes to The Lightning Stars, sorry The Lucky One.

[The Lucky One]

my vote goes to The Lightning Stars, sorry The Lucky One.

As... well you should be? :confused:

It's cool, man. Although if you want to leave a reason why next time, well that's just gravy. ;)

Unless I lose. Then it's not cool. Then people start to, uh, disappear.

-D

[sephirothskiller]

I'm going with The Lucky One, and not because of his wicked awesome Scott Pilgrim avatar.

One of the things that makes or breaks a strategy for me is proper use of powers. I'm not gonna touch the Ultra Girl thing though. Its Persuasion and Storm that give me trouble.

It sounds like Storm is supposed to instantaneously whip up a storm, but she can't do that, it would take her at least a few seconds to get a "massive" storm up and going, in that time Siryn easily could have gotten to her.

Furthermore are Purple Girl's actions. Persuasion doesn't "release" her pheromones across the field. They are automatically dispersed around her and are activated by voice commands. Considering the fact that both Kylun and Siryn are screaming at this point she would be pretty much useless.



For any of Storm's storms

[Flâneur]

I'm not exactly sure if there's any rules to this game that I didn't know about, but I just thought I'd ask a few questions:

Can Nocturne do such a quick body jump? I was always under the impression that it was one person per lunar cycle (hence the name), and that her former hosts always went unconscious for a while.

Also, how would Outlaw's bullets even distract Ultra-Girl? I'm assuming her powers are like an amped up version of Rogue's old ones, so wouldn't the bullets just bounce off of her in the event that they did hit her?

Finally, is there supposed to be a standard rule in this game where all tekes must employ the same shield strength? Because if there isn't then there is no way Ultra-Girl can get past Rachel's shield, she's applied pressures of several thousand tonnes before (Burnt Offering) even if momentarily, so I'm sure that if she's Boosted she'd have no problem creating a shield well in excess of any impact Ultra-Girl (50 tonne punch at 800 miles an hour yeah?) could make. Further, a Boosted Rachel pretty much pwns any hero on earth (except maybe the Surfer or Strange) so I'm imagining that if she wants something done then it'll get done.

[The Lucky One]

Can Nocturne do such a quick body jump? I was always under the impression that it was one person per lunar cycle (hence the name), and that her former hosts always went unconscious for a while.

The latter used to be true but no longer is... apparently she's learned in New Excalibur to leave the host conscious afterwards. As for the former... I can't say I remember that, but my memory's also not the best. If someone who knows for sure wants to weigh in, great, but I can honestly say I don't remember that.

Also, how would Outlaw's bullets even distract Ultra-Girl? I'm assuming her powers are like an amped up version of Rogue's old ones, so wouldn't the bullets just bounce off of her in the event that they did hit her?

No, she's not exactly an amped-up version of Rogue. (For one thing, Rogue herself was class 50, so it wouldn't really be "amped up.") Ian mentioned a scene in one of her issues where she was badly burned and healed quickly afterward... if she can be burned, it's quite possible bullets could penetrate her skin as well. Even if they couldn't, though, she'd still notice them, and my point all along has been that when a superhero rookie with no team experience notices someone shooting at them, they naturally go after that person.

Finally, is there supposed to be a standard rule in this game where all tekes must employ the same shield strength? Because if there isn't then there is no way Ultra-Girl can get past Rachel's shield, she's applied pressures of several thousand tonnes before (Burnt Offering) even if momentarily, so I'm sure that if she's Boosted she'd have no problem creating a shield well in excess of any impact Ultra-Girl (50 tonne punch at 800 miles an hour yeah?) could make. Further, a Boosted Rachel pretty much pwns any hero on earth (except maybe the Surfer or Strange) so I'm imagining that if she wants something done then it'll get done.

*shrugs* That's not exactly wrong, but like I said, I'm trying to avoid accusations of psi-dominance by having her win the entire match single-handedly.

-D

[Flâneur]

The latter used to be true but no longer is... apparently she's learned in New Excalibur to leave the host conscious afterwards. As for the former... I can't say I remember that, but my memory's also not the best. If someone who knows for sure wants to weigh in, great, but I can honestly say I don't remember that.
I just checked - I got it mixed up - its apparently that she can only possess one host body for one lunar cycle as opposed to one possession per lunar cycle. Sorry.:o

Even if they couldn't, though, she'd still notice them, and my point all along has been that when a superhero rookie with no team experience notices someone shooting at them, they naturally go after that person.
Ahh, I can see that then.

Also since I'm not participating, am I allowed to vote?

[The Lucky One]

Also since I'm not participating, am I allowed to vote?

Yes. Anyone at all can vote in any match, they're simply asked to read both strategies through and make a considered choice.

-D

[Flâneur]

Yes. Anyone at all can vote in any match, they're simply asked to read both strategies through and make a considered choice.

-D
Consider yourself voted for.:)

[venuscameback]

Finally, is there supposed to be a standard rule in this game where all tekes must employ the same shield strength? Because if there isn't then there is no way Ultra-Girl can get past Rachel's shield, she's applied pressures of several thousand tonnes before (Burnt Offering) even if momentarily, so I'm sure that if she's Boosted she'd have no problem creating a shield well in excess of any impact Ultra-Girl (50 tonne punch at 800 miles an hour yeah?) could make. Further, a Boosted Rachel pretty much pwns any hero on earth (except maybe the Surfer or Strange) so I'm imagining that if she wants something done then it'll get done.

Really enjoyed your questions, Flaneur, thanks for participating.

One quick thing I'd like to point out - we wrote our strategy predicting Rachel would throw up a TK shield; however, she doesn't do that so it really doesn't matter how strong a shield she can erect because Ultragirl doesn't hit it - instead she sails right on past where she expects the shield to be and smashed into Rachel herself.

Furthermore are Purple Girl's actions. Persuasion doesn't "release" her pheromones across the field. They are automatically dispersed around her and are activated by voice commands. Considering the fact that both Kylun and Siryn are screaming at this point she would be pretty much useless.

I went off memory for how Persuasion's power works. What you said sounds right, I think we messed up on this one. Fortunately I don't think it makes a significant difference to the outcome. I appreciate you pointing the error out, though, so we can change how we play her in a future match

It sounds like Storm is supposed to instantaneously whip up a storm, but she can't do that, it would take her at least a few seconds to get a "massive" storm up and going, in that time Siryn easily could have gotten to her.

That does sound like it makes sense, so I see where you're coming from, but I have quoted two examples from Uncanny X-Men (#150 and #152) of where Storm does in fact whip up a storm 'just like that'. She's been shown on many more occasions to whip out lightning bolts on clear sky days, too. It may not make sense to us as readers, but there's plenty of comic book evidence to show she can do it.

[The Fury]

Wish I could post more in this match...looks great.

One point, don't know if anyone said but...

Drew, can Rachel TK an intangible person and if she was intangible, then Mentallo's electronics are fine...

[venuscameback]

Wish I could post more in this match...looks great.

One point, don't know if anyone said but...

Drew, can Rachel TK an intangible person and if she was intangible, then Mentallo's electronics are fine...

Good point - Rachel would find it real tricky to TK shove an intangible Kitty and if she's intangible and can't be pushed by TK then Mentallo's helmet never gets destroyed

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

when kitty phases doesnt she just slide her molecules about and around stuff? I mean, arent they still there? I think Rachel could push her fine

[venuscameback]

when kitty phases doesnt she just slide her molecules about and around stuff? I mean, arent they still there? I think Rachel could push her fine

she becomes intangible. How would you TK a ghost, for example?

I don't know the physics behind it though, so you could be right, but I'd imagine that there's nothing physically present to grab hold of

Granted, we don't know whether Kitty is intangible at the time Rachel attacks because her primary action was to teleport with Fatale and then turn intangible. It's up to voters to decide what Kitty & Fatale will do when they find Fatale can't teleport

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

I believe her molecules are still there, they just slide past everything. Thats what would be pushed. Lemme wiki it

here's what it says

"Kitty has the ability to phase, or flow, through solid matter by passing her atoms between the spaces of other particles through which she is moving. "

That reads to me as the atoms are still there, just flowing. Rachel would just have to push on those little atoms, or kittens if you will.

[The Lucky One]

Wish I could post more in this match...looks great.

One point, don't know if anyone said but...

Drew, can Rachel TK an intangible person and if she was intangible, then Mentallo's electronics are fine...

Thought of that- that's why I mentioned not just that she gives Kitty a TK shove, but also a telepathic prompt to dive at Mentallo while phasing.

-D

[venuscameback]

Thought of that- that's why I mentioned not just that she gives Kitty a TK shove, but also a telepathic prompt to dive at Mentallo while phasing.

-D

I'm not convinced (unsurprisingly) but as Mentallo is in the air, Kitty would have to do much more than dive - she'd have to walk on air to whatever altitude he's at - and I don't think a little 'prompt' would get her to do that

[venuscameback]

I believe her molecules are still there, they just slide past everything. Thats what would be pushed. Lemme wiki it

here's what it says

"Kitty has the ability to phase, or flow, through solid matter by passing her atoms between the spaces of other particles through which she is moving. "

That reads to me as the atoms are still there, just flowing. Rachel would just have to push on those little atoms, or kittens if you will.

Interesting, thanks Brian

[The Lucky One]

I'm not convinced (unsurprisingly) but as Mentallo is in the air, Kitty would have to do much more than dive - she'd have to walk on air to whatever altitude he's at - and I don't think a little 'prompt' would get her to do that

If he were in the air, that's true. But the first half of that sentence mentions how Rachel grabs him and drags him back down to earth, remember?

-D

[venuscameback]

If he were in the air, that's true. But the first half of that sentence mentions how Rachel grabs him and drags him back down to earth, remember?

-D

Good point, I forgot all about that

[The Lucky One]

If I'm not mistaken, that'll about wrap it up.

First, thank you very much to everyone who voted, and an extra-special thanks to those who left comments. It's always much appreciated.
:)

Second, my sincere congratulations to Ian and Siddon for their win and a damn good strategy, and to Ian for defending it so well... I guarantee I won't be underestimating Ultra Girl in the future, and I have a feeling nobody else will either. You guys did great, and it takes just a little bit of the sting out of the loss. With your permission, gentlemen, I'd like to make only one request: keep winning. Continue winning all of your matches to the absolute best of your abilities.








Because I want that rematch.


-D

[Brian M.]

Sorry we didn't vote folks, Atom_Basher and I were split on who would win so we just didn't vote.

[Siddon]

If I'm not mistaken, that'll about wrap it up.

First, thank you very much to everyone who voted, and an extra-special thanks to those who left comments. It's always much appreciated.
:)

Second, my sincere congratulations to Ian and Siddon for their win and a damn good strategy, and to Ian for defending it so well... I guarantee I won't be underestimating Ultra Girl in the future, and I have a feeling nobody else will either. You guys did great, and it takes just a little bit of the sting out of the loss. With your permission, gentlemen, I'd like to make only one request: keep winning. Continue winning all of your matches to the absolute best of your abilities.








Because I want that rematch.


-D

How gracious




we won we won we won we won we won

woop woop woop woop

J/k

great match, sucks I work 12 hours on Thursday's but it was a very good plan and a very good arguments, and hey we learned Persuassion can't send out pheromones, so thats cool.

And a big thanks to Ian for locking this one up partner

U R 2 Kewl 4 SKol

[venuscameback]

If I'm not mistaken, that'll about wrap it up.

First, thank you very much to everyone who voted, and an extra-special thanks to those who left comments. It's always much appreciated.
:)

Second, my sincere congratulations to Ian and Siddon for their win and a damn good strategy, and to Ian for defending it so well... I guarantee I won't be underestimating Ultra Girl in the future, and I have a feeling nobody else will either. You guys did great, and it takes just a little bit of the sting out of the loss. With your permission, gentlemen, I'd like to make only one request: keep winning. Continue winning all of your matches to the absolute best of your abilities.

Because I want that rematch.


-D

Thanks Drew. It was a tough match and it was always going to be a tough match. Matt said when he saw the draw that this was the tie that stood out to him as mouth-watering and I think we lived up to that and that the see-saw voting reflected that.

When the voting stood at 12-12 late last night I really didn't want to go to bed, but I forced myself to, dreading what the score would be in the morning.

I don't see our team progressing much further in the tournament - we had to pull out a lot of stops for this match & don't have a versatile team with loads of ideas up our sleeves; but, one match at a time!

T'was a good match, Drew, thanks for your part in it and good luck for the rest of the tournament - with the team you have, I think you are still one of the favourites.

[Atom_basher]

I don't see our team progressing much further in the tournament - we had to pull out a lot of stops for this match & don't have a versatile team with loads of ideas up our sleeves; but, one match at a time!






oh shut up Venus, modestly doesn't suit you. Your team is amazing and u know it.

YEAH BOYEEEEEEEE

[The Fury]

I am sorry I forgot to vote in this close match.

[mattbib]

Congratulations, Siddon & venuscameback! You'll continue in the top bracket, playing the winner of Game 8 in next Thursday's AM match, while The Lucky One drops to the lower bracket and will play the loser of Game 8 in next Thursday's PM match.

[The Lucky One]

I am sorry I forgot to vote in this close match.

As am I... but unless you were going to vote A) for me, and B) four times, it really wouldn't have mattered.
;)

The Lucky One drops to the lower bracket and will play the loser of Game 8 in next Thursday's PM match

You misspelled "play." It's "b-e-a-t."

After careful examination of the respective votes, I would also like to propose that votes from people whose usernames end in numbers should not be counted. Because... uh, y'know, they just shouldn't. I feel strongly about this.

-D

[Brian M.]

As am I... but unless you were going to vote A) for me, and B) four times, it really wouldn't have mattered.
;)



You misspelled "play." It's "b-e-a-t."

After careful examination of the respective votes, I would also like to propose that votes from people whose usernames end in numbers should not be counted. Because... uh, y'know, they just shouldn't. I feel strongly about this.

-D

Well good thing I didnt' vote for you then prick, it'd be one less vote.

[sephirothskiller]

Well good thing I didnt' vote for you then prick, it'd be one less vote.

Oy? I don't understand TLO's reasoning but getting crazy about it and using mild pejoratives isn't really that constructive no?

[Brian M.]

Oy? I don't understand TLO's reasoning but getting crazy about it and using mild pejoratives isn't really that constructive no?

It's ok, he knows I'm kidding. I was being sarcastic and so was he.

[The Fury]

Well good thing I didnt' vote for you then prick, it'd be one less vote.
Oh, harsh words.


You in for a whopping next round me thinks...who are you playing?

Oh...

[The Lucky One]

Oy? I don't understand TLO's reasoning

It was a joke. 4 people with numbers at the end of their usernames voted, and I lost by, y'know, 4 votes, so...



....yeah.

-D

[venuscameback]

It was a joke. 4 people with numbers at the end of their usernames voted, and I lost by, y'know, 4 votes, so...



....yeah.

-D

4 people with numbers at the end of their usernames voted for Siddon & I

1 person with a number at the end of their username voted for you

eliminate all five and we win by one vote

so I got no problems with eliminating those votes :)