Mutant League 01/22/2007 AM Game 1: UTVol8102 & Atom_Basher vs. Tre Styles

[mattbib]

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And now on to our fight...

In the first corner we have UTVol8102 & Atom_Basher's Ass Whoopins & Lollipops (Professor X, Empath, Justice, Caliban, Pulse, Whirlwind, Lightbright)

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In the other corner is Tre Styles' Alpha Reign (Rogue, Lady Mastermind, Shola Inkosi, Wolverine, Timeslip, SebastianShaw, Strong Guy)

Both participants have submitted strategies:

Please do not post or vote until both strategies have been posted and read.

[mattbib]

Phase 1: Happening immediately and simultaneously

Xavier instantly attacks the minds of the opposing team focusing the brunt of the attack on, Lady M and Shola by shutting their minds down outright. If Lady M managed to project an illusion Xavier forces her into retracting them. Taking out Lady Mastermind and breaking whatever illusion she can have cast is one of the main purposes of this attack. Another purpose is to disrupt Shola so that his telekinetic shields or whatever use of his power will be disrupted as well. The rest of the team will experience waves of constant pain and confusion which will delay them as it causes them to stammer around and lose focus.
Justice shields himself, Empath, Caliban, Pulse, Lightbright and Xavier, using his shield as a mode of transportation. When he is about half way down the field he drops everyone but Xavier. He uses his telekinetic powers to grab Rogue and Shaw and press their faces together. Since Rogue’s power stuns the other mutant, Shaw should be knocked out. We’re only asking Justice to keep himself and Xavier shielded while he pushes Shaw and Rogue together by the face.
Once Empath reaches his destination he sends the opposing team into a deep depression and fear, sapping their wills to fight. At the very same time, Caliban feeds off the deep emotions Empath is manipulating and unleashes a massive psychoactive virus at Wolverine, emotion fuels a person’s will to fight so if that person is afraid or depressed, their will is weak and can be open to things they might have normally resisted. Wolverine should be no different and is taken down.
Lightbright and Pulse work in tandem to take down to Guido. Guido's powers are described that he gets stronger when he absorbs kinetic energy. So the best way to take him down is to deny him that power. Pulse will get behind Guido and depower him. Pulse, unlike Leech, can selectively remove powers. Powerless, Lightbright uses her powers to overheat Guido until he passes out.
Whirlwind rushes over to Timeslip at full speed. Timeslip is a little person, dealing with the trauma Xavier's psi-blasts are causing. She can't focus enough to slow time to engage or evade WW. So his flurry of blades and punches should take her out.So at the conclusion of Phase 1 we have no Lady M and Shola thanks to Xavier's constant psi pressure, no Shaw thanks to Rogue., no Strong Guy thanks to Pulse and Lightbright, no Wolverine thanks to Caliban and no Timeslip thanks to Whirlwind.

Phase 2 (directly after phase 1)

All that is left is Rogue, even if Rogue does engage and manage to take out the other members of our team w/ Shaw's and Sunfire's powers...Xavier and Justice are still shielded, so they are untouchable. Without Ms Marvel’s psyche clouding Rogue’s mind she is vulnerable to mental attack, so Xavier puts her to sleep, an attack that is not out of character or implausible.
If you want to argue that Rogue still has Ms. Marvel’s powers but they are just latent, thus making her mind a mess, then we can use either Caliban’s psychoactive virus, Empath’s emotion manipulation or Pulse’s powers and someone else to take Rogue out.The match is over since everyone is knocked out. Xavier wakes up the other team and passes out lollipops to all.

[mattbib]

AWALP has some very strong players, noticeably Professor X, Whirlwind, and Caliban. Pulse and Empath have to be kept at a distance, as their power is best effective when they are close proximity to you. This team has strength in close proximity, with Justice, Lightbright, and Professor X being long term threats Shola’s own telepathy will make it hard for telepathic takeover or attack. Xavier however is extremely powerful. Also, Lady M, Shaw and Logan have strong forms of telepathic resistence. Strong Guy is suspect, but Shaw is on hand to absorb any blows, if he happens to be taken over, and can knock out Strong Guy if needed. Still Xavier must be taken out first.

Immediately (0.01 sec)
Timeslip stops time. She goes to the other side of the field. She hits Xavier a couple of times, which will disorient him when she restarts time. She brings over Xavier to the other side. She places Rogue’s hands on Xavier’s head. She restarts time. (Timeslip is stepping in between the future and the present, slowing down and stopping time, making it seem as if she’s moving at superspeed. Xavier can read minds, but only in the time period that he’s in. So it will be almost impossible to predict exactly where Rina will show up since she can see what happens in the future and rethink and redo her steps over and over again Also, she can move way before Justice has time to even form a shield.)

0.02 secs
Rogue absorbs Xavier’s power immediately before he has any time to react. After Xavier has been drained of his power, he is left unconscious, if not a blow to the head by Shaw or Strong Guy can knock him out, or Rogue/Lady M can telepathically make him sleep. He’ll be sufficiently enough for them to be able to do this.

0.03 secs
Shola throws up a TK forcefield bubble around my entire team with the exception of Rogue …lifts them off the ground and flys towards the other team.. This will help prevent possible initial attacks from Whirlwind, and even Justice. He also telekinetically lifts up the dust and the dirt from the ground helping to make a dusty cloud cover over the bubble for his team. This will help dampen any “glow” or light burst coming from Lightbright….and if she’s in the air, she will be encountered by Rogue.

0.4 secs
Lady M is projecting multiple images of Shola’s TK dust bubble going in multiple directions to throw off those who might be headed towards them. They will be guided towards the team by Rogue, Timeslip, and Lady M

Next ( Between 0.05 secs- 5 mins.)

Timeslip helps to direct the team by using her “timesight” (this is her using her consciousness in the future) to be able to help predict the moves before the other members of the team make them.

Rogue sets the ground on fire by sending fireballs towards the opposing team. If they are shielded by Justice, Rogue will set the ground or air around them on fire, causing them to be “smoked out” being heated from the outside in(even if they are in the air). Eventually, it will get too hot, forcing Justice to drop his bubble or shield, wherever they are. He will have to eventually drop it because Rogue can also use Xavier’s telepathy to force him to drop whatever shielding he might have going on.

If confronting him in the air, Rogue can project mental images of herself using Xavier’s power so that she can disorient whoever confronts her.( whether that be Lightbright, Justice, or Whirlwind.)My team is still keeping a distance from Pulse and Empath until they are taken out. There is fire, dust and smoke, all of which can be getting in the “eyes” of my opponents, which is especially bad for Pulse and maybe Lightbright. Rogue attacks the minds of Justice and Lightbright. She forces Justice to shut down his tk, leaving him open for attack by Strong Guy or Shola depending on where he is. The same with Lightbright, who can also be taken out by another person. Let’s say, Shaw or Lady M. No access to their powers, and they are sufficiently taken down. Justice and Lightbright out.

Lady M begins playing with Caliban’s mind making him think that he’s in the Morlock tunnels again, He sees “Sabretooth” , who in reality is Empath. He sends out a psychoactive virus that attacks Empath’s mental plane crippling him from using his emotional powers. Or Empath could be using his emotional powers to try and create “fear” in my team, which will only serve to make Caliban stronger, which backfires on him, because Caliban will attack him physically thinking that he is Sabretooth. Empath doesn’t realize it until too late. Empath is out, and then Caliban is ambushed by Wolverine who Caliban didn’t sense coming up on him because of Lady M’s messing with his senses. Caliban might have a good scrap with Wolvie, but with enhanced senses, adamantium claws, and that lovely healing factor, I don’t see Caliban winning this one. Caliban down.

Whirlwind while he may be moving very, very fast, is no match for someone who can stop time. Timeslip works with just as fast, dodging and warning her teammates where he is going to strike next , at the precise time she tells Shaw and Strong Guy where and when he is going to attack. They absorb the brunt of his attack, and then turn back that extreme kinetic energy into a double super powered punch knocking the holy hell out of Whirlwind, right at the precise time, thanks to Ms. Rina “Timeslip” Patel. Whirlwind out.

Pulse can be taken out from a distance(which is best) or he can even be taken out up close. Shola can knock him out with a quick tk blast, Wolverine, Shaw, or Strong Guy can take him out even if he is close enough to take away their powers. Pulse has to get extremely close in order for his power to take away others powers to be effective. If he is somehow able to get close enough to one of my people, all of them are sufficiently trained enough to take him down without powers, especially someone who is a self confessed “coward” who doesn’t fight.Ex: Pulse vs. Shaw. Shaw walks up to him, and Pulse drains his power. Shaw still knocks him out with a punch. Subsitute Wolverine, and/or Strong Guy…Rogue, Shola, Lady M, hey even Timeslip could do it. So in the end, Pulse is out.

Game Over.

[Brian M.]

Very good strat Tre.

I think both of our matches hinge on whether people see Timeslip activating her powers faster then Xavier can think. Is Xavier's power of thought faster or is Timeslips ability to activate her powers the quicker of the two?

Personally I see Xavier being able to act very fast with his psi blasts. If he gets those out, even just one before Timeslip can activate her powers I think that disrupts the whole thing.

[Mikl C]

Eh... I don't like the using timeslip to immediately take out Xavier. It's a bit easy. She could theoretically bash the rest of the team on the head while she's there?

[Brian M.]

With Wolverine and his psi defenses...didn't he only have those b/c of the number of times his memory has been altered and erased? After HoM and him getting all of his memories back wouldn't that erase that side affect?

[Atom_basher]

timeslip CANNOT stop time completely she has NEVER been shown to be able to do so, she can only SLOW time to simulate super speed and thats not instant, if it were she would have been able to escape the bomb that exploded that depowered her for a time. Xaviers mind attack would affect her before she fully activated her powers. on paper timeslips powers are powerful, but in none of her appearances has she been able to instantly stop time (in issue 75 of New Warriors, Timeslip tried to carry a bomb out of blast radius of the other new warriors, but she wasnt fast enough, the bomb exploded and she was depowered) if she could stop time outright and instantly, don't you think she would have done so to Save her powers?

her powers are being misused here

also, Wolverine has PSI defense?, um i think not, because it didn't stop Cassandra Nova from turning him into a little girl, nor did it stop Emma frost from forcing him and beast to stop fighting and to bow in front of the students at Xaviers, in astonishing xmen

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Essentially this battle starts with both Xavier and the timetravel-girl-whose-name-i-dont-know-and-dont-want-to-scroll-down-to-check lady going to use their powers. Basically they both have to think about it and then execute. Xaviers power is generally thought to begin with and he is certainly more experiences.

As much as i hate for this to be another the team with Xavier wins thing, i think thats what would happen here.

[caney]

Wow, both very good strategies. Very impressive.

Had to think about this for a bit, but I eventually came to the conclusion that Ass Whoopins & Lollipops would win. I feel that Professor X would activate his powers as quickly as Timeslip, thus Timeslip would begin to feel the "pain and confusion" effects of Xavier's attack just as she began her own attack. Her attack is based on very precise use of her power that I think would be greatly effected by Professor X. The argument that Xavier couldn't predict her attack because she would be shifting between times is valid, but since Xavier is constantly trying to disorient her rather than read her mind, she'd feel his attack no matter what time period she was in. I think Professor X's attack would be enough to make Timeslip mess up before she could accomplish her task. The rest of the fight would still be close, but a failure of Timeslip's attack against Xavier is enough to give the edge to Ass Whoopins & Lollipops.

It's funny that you both had your teams end up traveling towards each other using a TK shield.

[Joe Acro]

It seems to me that Timeslip would have to think to activate her powers. Xavier clearly has to think to activate his. So, Timeslip is operating at the speed of thought plus a miniscule amount of time whereas Xavier is operating at just the speed of thought. I find it doubtful, however, that he would "shut down" the minds of his opponents.

On the flipside, Justice is clearly overexerting himself. He's sheilding himself and Xavier, providing transport for the others, and attacking. I don't think I've ever seen him do that level of multi-tasking.

The plan with Shola to use dust as cover in order to counteract Lightbright seems flimsy.

I can see Empath and Caliban working together to defeat Wolverine. That makes sense to me. I then see Lady M using the planned method of wiping out Empath. Althought I think Pulse and Lightbright can take Strong Guy, I imagine Pulse would be knocked unconscious in the conflict.

Unless Rogue counteracts him, which seems doubtful given the presence of Xavier and Justice, I think Whirlwind can take Timeslip.

Without getting into the details of how my scenario works out, with who taking down who, I declare UT's and Atom_Basher's strategy the superior one.

[Brian M.]

We have Justice transport our team in the TK shield. After he drops the remaining members his shield is only over him and Xavier. He's been shown to use his TK many times multitasking. One time he held several opponents in TK tentacles and at the sametime used his power as a lie detector feeling out the heart beats of others. So we're not really asking him to do too much. Transport folks over. Shield him and Xavier while he grabs Rogue and Shaw.

[Mikl C]

I voted for UTV and A_B because I don't think Timeslip is as effective as Tre is portraying her.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

If Rogue was on my team id have her go into battle nekkid

[Atom_basher]

If Rogue was on my team id have her go into battle nekkid

that would pretty much make 6 of our team members unable to walk upright, thats for sure

[Brian M.]

that would pretty much make 6 of our team members unable to walk upright, thats for sure

And Xavier just learned to walk again...so we don't want that again.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

its the ultimate strategy, no one could touch her and its quite the distraction


Unfortunately Xavier is dead down stairs. Its the one flaw in the plan.

[Atom_basher]

its the ultimate strategy, no one could touch her and its quite the distraction


Unfortunately Xavier is dead down stairs. Its the one flaw in the plan.

not anymore.......so boner city

[The Lucky One]

If Rogue was on my team id have her go into battle nekkid

Oh, so you've read The Fury's strategy from our exhibition fight last year?

-D

[Tre Styles]

I knew I get a Timeslip arguement. Anyways, Timeslip has been shown to use her power enough to save Carlton from the speeding truck, by "slowing" or "stopping time". Even in your strat, you say that the brunt of Xavier's attack is focused on Lady M and Shola. So in that 0.01 of a sec, I think that she could focus enough to slow time or stop it, and continue with my strategy. It's instantaneous for her. Yea, she didn't completely stop the bomb, but she did get it out of the other Warrior's way, so I don't think it's that impossible for her to be able to grab Xavier especially while he's focusing the majority of his attack on Lady M and Shola, who BOTH have limited telepathy, and wouldn't just be a "cakewalk" for even the master telepath himself.

Logan's psi-resistance is based not only on the spotty memories, but he's had a lot of training with Xavier and Jean himself. Cassandra Nova was able to take over because of him not operating on pure instinct, but when he did, she wasn't able to jack. Nova in Emma's mind took over because of a longterm
subtle programming, and was able to do so. But hey, a drink of beer cured that. Nova is presumably more powerful than Xavier, so there's another theory in that as well. Logan also has had miltiary levels of training, zen stuff, and a whole host of other levels. It's very easy to claim that Xavier just knocks everyone out with a psiblast.

[Atom_basher]

Youre getting a Timeslip argument because she is fairly inexperienced with her powers. the REASON we use the brunt of the attack in Lady M and shola is because they probably have the most psi resistance, with zer0 psi resistance Xaviers attack should wreck her without any doubt. TS has to think to activate her powers, so like other have said Xaviers attack will u uundoubtedly affect her.

also we KNOW shola and Lady M wouldnt be a cakewalk, thats why the brunt of his attack is on those 2


as Far as wolverine, his psi resistance is questionable, yes his cloudly memory prevents mind reading, but since house of M that has been cleared up. AND weve seen mental attacks affect him, theres no way hes is standing up against Xavier's psi bolt, EMpath manipulations and mother of all Psycho active viruses

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

not anymore.......so boner city

Well if he's walking then doesnt that mean he has no telepathy? I assume we are using the classic scotch blanket on lap Xavier. If not then Tre would have to win. Because Xaviers only power without telepathy is how well he cleans things

[Atom_basher]

Well if he's walking then doesnt that mean he has no telepathy? I assume we are using the classic scotch blanket on lap Xavier. If not then Tre would have to win. Because Xaviers only power without telepathy is how well he cleans things

well Wanda healed his legs in return for his telepathy, if the rules are we get to repower someone after M day i dont see why he would be chai ridden again, i mean his telepathy really has nothing to do with his walking

[Brian M.]

I thought Shola turned off his Telepathy b/c each time he used it he got flashbacks of those dieing in Genosha...

We're not having the psi blast take out Timeslip, just disrupt concentration to prevent her from really focusing her powers.

[The Fury]

Both great opening strategies and moves.

Although i think Tre's time thing at the start is a bit of an exageration, most people can't even think in 0.01 second lets alone form a TK shield in 0.03.

That''s not saying it's a bad strategy though.

UTV and AT's strat is very simple it seems and is based mainly on Xavier being such a powerful person that he is.

Oh, so you've read The Fury's strategy from our exhibition fight last year?

-D
I only had Lesbian loving, no nakkidness.

[Brian M.]

Both great opening strategies and moves.

Although i think Tre's time thing at the start is a bit of an exageration, most people can't even think in 0.01 second lets alone form a TK shield in 0.03.

That''s not saying it's a bad strategy though.

UTV and AT's strat is very simple it seems and is based mainly on Xavier being such a powerful person that he is.


I only had Lesbian loving, no nakkidness.


But is Xavier doing anything he hasn't done before?

It's not like we're having Xavier take over their minds and put them to sleep or anything.

[The Fury]

But is Xavier doing anything he hasn't done before?

It's not like we're having Xavier take over their minds and put them to sleep or anything.

I'm not argueing about his power levels or anything but more of his dominance...I don't know where I'm going with this.

you used Justice well though.

[Brian M.]

I'm not argueing about his power levels or anything but more of his dominance...I don't know where I'm going with this.

you used Justice well though.

We have Justice putting up a shield right at the start of the match too, at the same time Xavier is sending out his psi-blast...wouldn't Timeslip run int othe TK shield?

[blinkinrogue]

tre styles i voted for you even if you have forgotten about the superlatives. HMP. :D

[Tre Styles]

I thought Shola turned off his Telepathy b/c each time he used it he got flashbacks of those dieing in Genosha...

We're not having the psi blast take out Timeslip, just disrupt concentration to prevent her from really focusing her powers.

No, Shola stopped sleeping in order to stop dreaming about Genosha.
he doesn't sleep.
But with Xavier so focused on Shola and Lady M, there still has to be a window of opportunity for Timeslip. And she doesn't need that much concentration to use her power. Yes, when she was first introduced, she couldn't use her powers that well....I would think that her experience with the Warriors, and by now, especially after defeating Advent, she has learned a little bit more. And stopping (or slowing down) time for a few seconds shouldn't require that much. In my strategy, as she does in the comics, she also is slipping her consciousness into her future self, which allows her to have the foresight to what's going to happen....so therefore she's prepared for Xavier's and anyone else's attackks.

[Tre Styles]

tre styles i voted for you even if you have forgotten about the superlatives. HMP. :D

:eek: I apologize! Heh. And thanks.

[Tre Styles]

We have Justice putting up a shield right at the start of the match too, at the same time Xavier is sending out his psi-blast...wouldn't Timeslip run int othe TK shield?


She got there before he did it. I covered that in my strategy. And while we may argue the merits of Xavier vs. Timeslip all day. Justice just don't think that fast.

[Brian M.]

No, Shola stopped sleeping in order to stop dreaming about Genosha.
he doesn't sleep.
But with Xavier so focused on Shola and Lady M, there still has to be a window of opportunity for Timeslip. And she doesn't need that much concentration to use her power. Yes, when she was first introduced, she couldn't use her powers that well....I would think that her experience with the Warriors, and by now, especially after defeating Advent, she has learned a little bit more. And stopping (or slowing down) time for a few seconds shouldn't require that much. In my strategy, as she does in the comics, she also is slipping her consciousness into her future self, which allows her to have the foresight to what's going to happen....so therefore she's prepared for Xavier's and anyone else's attackks.


Well if she is slipping herself into her future self to get a step ahead of us...shouldn't she be affected by the psi-blasting Xavier is doing in that time too? Becuase we make it clear that Xavier is still blasting through out the entire time Justice is transporting everyone, it's not just one blast...it's a constant wave after wave.

If she grabs Xavier and still manages to take him to Rogue he still is in the process of working out a psi-blast. She has to restart time to let Rogue absorb Xavier...when that happens they would be blasted. Thus disrupting the event.

[Brian M.]

She got there before he did it. I covered that in my strategy. And while we may argue the merits of Xavier vs. Timeslip all day. Justice just don't think that fast.

But Shola can? You have Shola activating his TK in .03 seconds, Rogue absorbing all of Xavier's power in the span of .02-.03...I don't remember her absorbtion powers being that quick to act.

[Tre Styles]

It seems to me that Timeslip would have to think to activate her powers. Xavier clearly has to think to activate his. So, Timeslip is operating at the speed of thought plus a miniscule amount of time whereas Xavier is operating at just the speed of thought. I find it doubtful, however, that he would "shut down" the minds of his opponents.



Thank you for your thoughts. Timeslip can manipulate time. So even if she does have to think...and we all do....many of our actions are automatic. For a mutant, certain actions can be considered automatic, depending on thier mutant power. Jean Grey for instance can pick up a stray thought without having to think about it. To block it out, yes. I don't believe Timeslip has been shown having to think about for a long time on how to stop/slow down time. She saved Hindsight Lad from a speeding truck without thinking about it. That was in an earlier appearance. It's been many years since then. Wouldn't it be reasonable to think that her powers have matured? And that certain things she wouldn't have to "think" that hard on? Isn't it reasonable to believe that she could do it without thinking about it? When you pick up a pen or pencil to write, do you have to think about picking it up? And if you could travel to your future and see how your opponent beats you, wouldn't you in a heartbeat be able to sidestep that move before said opponent can?

I'd like to think so.:cool:

On the flipside, Justice is clearly overexerting himself. He's sheilding himself and Xavier, providing transport for the others, and attacking. I don't think I've ever seen him do that level of multi-tasking.


Very true.

The plan with Shola to use dust as cover in order to counteract Lightbright seems flimsy.

It wasn't JUST dust. It was a tk ball shield, and dust. Plus Lady M using multiple illusions of said dusty tk ball.:p

[Tre Styles]

Well if she is slipping herself into her future self to get a step ahead of us...shouldn't she be affected by the psi-blasting Xavier is doing in that time too? Becuase we make it clear that Xavier is still blasting through out the entire time Justice is transporting everyone, it's not just one blast...it's a constant wave after wave.

If she grabs Xavier and still manages to take him to Rogue he still is in the process of working out a psi-blast. She has to restart time to let Rogue absorb Xavier...when that happens they would be blasted. Thus disrupting the event.

So Xavier is consistently blasting using his psi powers the whole time? I think that would over exert him. Seriously. And when Rogue absorbs him, it might disrupt her, and it might not, but it most certainly if anything could cause a psionic backlash that knocks Xavier out as well. It's possible.

[Brian M.]

How is Justice overexerting himself?

He is transporting the others in a TK shield...basically a big ball of TK energy just moving about 50 yards downfield. After that it decreases in size to hold just him and Xavier. He is no long moving at this point. After that he uses his TK to grab Rogue and Shaw and slam them together for a period of time...how is that overexerting himself?

Justice has shown that he is pretty decent control of his telekenitic abilities. I would think moving folks with his TK and shielding them for 50 yards while coming under almost no fire would not be strenous, nor is picking up two reasonably sized human beings and pressing them together.

[Brian M.]

So Xavier is consistently blasting using his psi powers the whole time? I think that would over exert him. Seriously. And when Rogue absorbs him, it might disrupt her, and it might not, but it most certainly if anything could cause a psionic backlash that knocks Xavier out as well. It's possible.

This is the same man that has fought the Shadow King, I would think sending out psi blasts for a couple minutes would be alright, considering that has the amount of minds he is having to touch is decreasing with each minute.

I don't see that has any kind of over exertion.

[Tre Styles]

But Shola can? You have Shola activating his TK in .03 seconds, Rogue absorbing all of Xavier's power in the span of .02-.03...I don't remember her absorbtion powers being that quick to act.

How quick have they been? Has it been measured? How fast does Justice put his shield up? I think 3 secs is a lot of time.

[Tre Styles]

Also, there is no way, that my team is going to let Pulse OR Empath get that close to them. Empath can't use empathic powers from that far away, nor can Pulse. Especially Pulse. Strong Guy isn't just standing around waiting for them to jump him.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

How is Justice overexerting himself?


When Justice exhales he is overexerting himself. The only thing he can do regularly is breathe in, ie Suck.

[The Lucky One]

Well if he's walking then doesnt that mean he has no telepathy? I assume we are using the classic scotch blanket on lap Xavier. If not then Tre would have to win. Because Xaviers only power without telepathy is how well he cleans things

I asked that in the rules thread a couple of weeks ago... Matt's ruling was that he has both the ability to walk and his telepathy in the tournament.

-D

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Im sure he still has erectile dysfunction

[venuscameback]

Seems a lot of this is coming down to Xavier and Timeslip. I'm not familiar with her power set.

Xavier, on the other hand, feel over-exerted - a massive pulsing psychic blast affecting all his opponents that simultaneously focus on two minds - Rogue & Lady M - and shuts them down completely but only interferes with the others. So it's multi-frequency, so to speak. and he keeps on blasting, on and on.

I'd buy one or the other, but not both. Simulatneously attacking 7 characters in 2 different ways feels like too much.

On the other hand, I don't even know if it's possible for Timeslip to do all that she's doing. For the sake of argument, let's say that she does freeze time before Justice's shield has gone up and that Xavier's wideband blast hasn't stopped her using her powers (and I'm not sure that it would) ... she goes over to Xavier and hits him a couple of times while he's frozen in time, okay, I guess ... then does she drag him over to where Rogue is while time is stopped, or does time restart and then she drags him over? If it's the latter, Justice or someone else will surely stop her.

Tre, has Timeslip been shown to move people while time is stopped? Has she been shown to move them significant distances?

[Tre Styles]

On the other hand, I don't even know if it's possible for Timeslip to do all that she's doing. For the sake of argument, let's say that she does freeze time before Justice's shield has gone up and that Xavier's wideband blast hasn't stopped her using her powers (and I'm not sure that it would) ... she goes over to Xavier and hits him a couple of times while he's frozen in time, okay, I guess ... then does she drag him over to where Rogue is while time is stopped, or does time restart and then she drags him over? If it's the latter, Justice or someone else will surely stop her.

Tre, has Timeslip been shown to move people while time is stopped? Has she been shown to move them significant distances?

Well, in my strategy, she stops time, hits him, and drags him over to the other side. She restarts time after she's placed Rogue's hands on him. As far as moving him a significant distance, I figure she has enough time on her hands to do so. ( :) )

As far as her being shown moving people, she may have. I'm still looking for my old New Warriors comics, as they are packed somewhere in boxes. I know she did move Hindsight Lad out the way from a speeding truck, and it was explained that she had stopped/slow down time to do so (ala Professor Zoom in the DC Universe). So in my mind, the person had to be frozen in time, or at least appear frozen. She doesn't move at superspeed, but even people moving at superspeed, time seems to stand still. As I read up on her, it seems that time does really or can stand still for her. I could be wrong, but I could be right as well. It's the tricky nature of having characters that a lot isn't written about, such as Timeslip, Lightbright, and Pulse. I think that it's up to us to write a strategy that can be plausible, even if it has some denabilty. These are super power characters we are talking about here, so the realm of the impossible can be made possible. I think, if it's within the realm of her possibilities, we should be able to portray them using their ablities to the fullest. If it has been stated in the comics or elsewhere that she is not able to do this, then I'm wrong, but I believe in those last issues of New Warriors she was shown to be able to do a lot of time mastery, and freezing, slowing down, stopping time for a few seconds for someone who's description says that she can travel through and manipulate time, as well as send her consciousness through time, well, I just don't see it as being that big of a problem. However, it's all subjective. or in other words, if ya think she can do it, cool. If not, that's cool too. :cool:

[AceOfSpades]

As many have said, the make or break moment is the very start of the match: Can Timeslip activate her power before Xavier can do whatever confusion thing he wants to her mind.

The rest of the fight is completely contingent on that starting moment. Although I do not think Justice is over-exerting himself, neither is Shola.

So I will mull this over some more and then vote

[Tre Styles]

This is the same man that has fought the Shadow King, I would think sending out psi blasts for a couple minutes would be alright, considering that has the amount of minds he is having to touch is decreasing with each minute.

I don't see that has any kind of over exertion.

But the point, bro, is that he is attacking directly in your strategy, Lady M and Shola, the two most powerful psis on my team.(BOTH have telepathy, although Lady M's is stronger than Shola's.) They'd be offering him some strong resistance I'm sure, and at the same time, he's sending out multiple psi blasts to the others? Shola has massive mental blocks built up, and Lady M does as well. It's not going to be that easy for Xavier. Could he do it? Yes, possible. But it's more than possible that he's going to overexert himself in the process, especially attacking five other people as well.

Yes, he fought Shadow King, one on one. So did Psylocke, and Rogue for that matter (;) ) Rogue and Wolverine have had psi-training resistance as well, Shaw is also slightly telepathic according to Marvel.com, so there are more than one of my characters who would be resisting him, and seeing as he was blasting them, but "really" concentrating on Shola and Lady M, I still maintain that Timeslip has her opportunity to...well, slip through time.

[venuscameback]

and seeing as he was blasting them, but "really" concentrating on Shola and Lady M, I still maintain that Timeslip has her opportunity to...well, slip through time.

That's what sells it for me. If Xavier was focusing on Timeslip and Lady M, or Timeslip and whoever, then I don't think it would be a problem. but Xavier's primary focus isn't on Timeslip, and she's the one causing the problems. I think Timeslip can activate her time-stopping power - activating a regularly used power should be like flicking on a switch - even with distractions, you can do it pretty easy

So my next question is, how much damage can Xavier do in that half second before time stops? and how good is Rogue's psi-resistance these days? because if Rogue were to fall from that first psi-bolt then Tre's strategy is also undermined

[The Fury]

This is the problem with Telepaths, it always comes down to them. Xavier did this, Emma did that...you just watch, Psylocke will win all this year.

[Brian M.]

That's what sells it for me. If Xavier was focusing on Timeslip and Lady M, or Timeslip and whoever, then I don't think it would be a problem. but Xavier's primary focus isn't on Timeslip, and she's the one causing the problems. I think Timeslip can activate her time-stopping power - activating a regularly used power should be like flicking on a switch - even with distractions, you can do it pretty easy

So my next question is, how much damage can Xavier do in that half second before time stops? and how good is Rogue's psi-resistance these days? because if Rogue were to fall from that first psi-bolt then Tre's strategy is also undermined

Well didn't Rogue's psi-defense come from her absorbtion of Ms. Marvel, having a another psyche inside her head made her hard to read. Since she lost those powers and such in X-Treme I assumed her psi-defense that came from that is gone.

[The Fury]

Well didn't Rogue's psi-defense come from her absorbtion of Ms. Marvel, having a another psyche inside her head made her hard to read. Since she lost those powers and such in X-Treme I assumed her psi-defense that came from that is gone.

Her head is still messed up,...you think she absorbed Sunfire without gaining any of his mind?

[The Lucky One]

Her head is still messed up,...you think she absorbed Sunfire without gaining any of his mind?

Unless I'm mistaken, she hasn't complained about having Sunfire in her head at all lately. I just assumed that since he's back and has his own personality, it must have faded from her mind.

-D

[venuscameback]

Well didn't Rogue's psi-defense come from her absorbtion of Ms. Marvel, having a another psyche inside her head made her hard to read. Since she lost those powers and such in X-Treme I assumed her psi-defense that came from that is gone.

I think that's likely, and although the Sunfire influence complicates it his isn't a combative mindset as Carol's was.

and I'm not sure why having a complicated mind like Rogue's was when she had Carol's personality in there would stop a blunt psi-bolt - I can see it being harder to read and control her mind but not to inflict harmful psi-bolts on her.

[Brian M.]

I think even if Timeslip gets to Xavier, she still has to drag a grown man across 100 yards back to Rogue. Would that not stress her out? She's straining to drag Xavier and holding time still...maybe the stress doesn't all out restart time but it should atleast loosen her grip on and Xavier is already in the process of sending out his first psi blast.

[Zombienorthstar]

Though i agree that even Xavier couldn't take out everyone at once (especially Lady M and Shola) i must conclude that there has been a fundamental mistake in the use of Timeslips powers...she can slow time not stop it...and although Xavier might not take out everyone immediatley Tre's entire 'take down Xavier strategy' rests on Timeslips abbility, and therefore UTVol8102 &Atom Basher clearly win.

[The Fury]

Unless I'm mistaken, she hasn't complained about having Sunfire in her head at all lately. I just assumed that since he's back and has his own personality, it must have faded from her mind.

-D

Carol was fine when Rogue was tourmennted by her mind...it doesn't work like that.

[venuscameback]

I'm going with Timeslip stops time and takes out Xavier, but not before he manages to stun either Rogue or Lady M, probably Rogue.

From thereon I think Tre's strategy holds together better without Rogue (I'm not sure how Lady Mastermind would be stopped, for example) than UTV & Atom_Basher's does without Xavier, so my votes with Tre - but this was a really tough one to call, especially knowing so little about Timeslip

[The Fury]

I'm not sure how Lady Mastermind would be stopped, for example

Wow, you rate her high, a telepathic illusion can be handy but she's no fighter.

[Brian M.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeslip_%28comics%29


I could not find where she stopped time.

[Mitsaso]

Both strategies are counting too much on one sole character (at least, at the beggining), so that leaves me a little torn...

Even if Timeslip brought Xavier to Rogue before he used his powers properly, Rogue still wouldn't be able to absorb him properly in fractions of a second, so he would have the time to do some damage.

I vote for UTVol8102 & Atom_Basher, but it's still a close call.:)

[venuscameback]

Wow, you rate her high, a telepathic illusion can be handy but she's no fighter.

She's not fighting here as such, though, she's turning her enemies against each other by having Caliban attack Empath - a markedly different thing to her having to fight.

but if UTV's right and Timeslip can't freeze time, the match takes a different twist. Any comeback on that, Tre?

[Brian M.]

But the thing is would Caliban right Empath? Caliban is a tracker...she maybe able to fool Caliban's eyes but he has heighted senses all around, he could just smell it was Empath.

[Tre Styles]

But the thing is would Caliban right Empath? Caliban is a tracker...she maybe able to fool Caliban's eyes but he has heighted senses all around, he could just smell it was Empath.

Lady M's abilities affect all the senses since she attacks the higher order brain functions. Including his sense of smell. Caliban is too childlike in the mind to even fight this.

[Zombienorthstar]

Lady M's abilities affect all the senses since she attacks the higher order brain functions. Including his sense of smell. Caliban is too childlike in the mind to even fight this.

What say you to allegations that Timeslip can't stop time, Tre? In all fairness your entire strategy rests on this abbility and many are calling it into question.

[Tre Styles]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeslip_%28comics%29


I could not find where she stopped time.



It's debatable, as we can see....

but here's what it says from the same site you quote:
" Ultimately Rina found Carlton LaFroyge (AKA Hindsight Lad) and convinced him of her sincerity and special abilities by pushing him out of the way of an oncoming truck. This involved Rina warping time so that she seemed to be moving super-fast, an ability she had not previously realized she had.

Trying to help Rina (and her warnings) be taken seriously by the New Warriors, Hindsight Lad designed a super hero costume for her, dubbed her "Timeslip", and arranged for her to meet with the team while showing off her time-warping abilities"


If she seemed to be moving superfast, "warping time" around her, then everything else around her must have either slowed down or stopped. But she wasn't moving at superspeed. Regardless of whether she slowed down, or stopped. She was still moving through time. Xavier can't stop someone's mind when they aren't even in the same time period as him. He could be in mid-mind blast and it's not going to affect her. I don't have the issues in front of me, but I wonder exactly what it meant when it says that she was "showing off" her time warping abilities? Showing off implys that it wasn't that hard for her. Also it never says in this site that she CAN'T stop time, nor does it state that she "slowed" it down. Warping time is up for debate.....but check it out:


Also this from Wiki:
"Over time it became clear that Timeslip's visions always came true exactly as she saw them, and Robbie's apparent death was no exception. In New Warriors #69, the Sphinx appeared and, brushing the Warriors aside, killed Speedball in cold blood. He died in her arms, just as she had foreseen.

However it was ultimately revealed that the Speedball who died in Rina's arms was in fact an exact duplicate who had been created in the year 2092. This advanced biological construct was designed to take Robbie's place as a sleeper agent, tasked with preventing a deranged time-hopping villain, Advent, from rewriting future history to his liking. The Sphinx purposely killed this Speedball duplicate because "he would have failed" to stop Advent. This brutal and seemingly senseless act of murder set in motion a chain of events that drew Rina into the New Warriors team and allowed her to stop Advent herself, saving the future and the rest of the New Warriors.

Timeslip remained with the team through the rest of New Warriors Vol. 1, and in the final issue (#75) was instrumental in preventing the Dire Wraith queen Volx from detonating a device that could have eliminated the special powers of thousands of superhumans. However, in helping to contain the blast, Rina seemed to lose her own special abilities, perhaps permanently."

How does one "contain a blast"? Stopping time, warping time...etc. In the same way that she could stop or contain that blast from killing thousands of superhumans, I maintain that she can grab Xavier and get him to the other side before he can concentrate on mindblasting her, when almost all his focus was on Shola and Lady M in UTV's strategy.

Also, if the Shi'ar can wipe out the entire Grey fam in a matter of 24 secs, why can't one woman who can stop/warp time, bring a guy over to the other side of a 100 yard battlefield? Not impossible. Not improbable. Quite logical.;)

It further goes on to state that in the Official Marvel Handbook, that her abilites were pronounced in the present tense. So regardless, Matt implied that I could write her as using her abilities in the Mutant League main thread.

Again from Wiki:

Characteristics
Alter ego Rina Patel
Species Human Mutant
Affiliations New Warriors
Abilities Ability to send consciousness through time
*Time travel
*Time manipulation

Also in my strategy, i had said this:

"Timeslip is stepping in between the future and the present, slowing down and stopping time, making it seem as if she’s moving at superspeed. Xavier can read minds, but only in the time period that he’s in. So it will be almost impossible to predict exactly where Rina will show up since she can see what happens in the future and rethink and redo her steps over and over again Also, she can move way before Justice has time to even form a shield" This was in the very first part.

[Tre Styles]

What say you to allegations that Timeslip can't stop time, Tre? In all fairness your entire strategy rests on this abbility and many are calling it into question.


It's true a major portion of my strat rests on Timeslip's ability to stop time. See above post for some of my reasons. I would like to add that Timeslip obviously uses some form of chronokinesis. Chrono meaning time. Kinesis defintion is:
-kinesis, from Greek "κίνησις", movement, motion, is a suffix that denotes movement. The word Kinesis itself similarly indicates movement, particularly in biology.
She manipulates time movement.

However, I still maintain that Lady M and Shola both would have extreme resistance against Xavier. And with him concentrating on them, who is stopping Rogue? Wolverine? Strong Guy? Shaw? Characters aren't going to just stand there and let themselves be attacked.

[Mariah]

It's debatable, as we can see....

but here's what it says from the same site you quote:
" Ultimately Rina found Carlton LaFroyge (AKA Hindsight Lad) and convinced him of her sincerity and special abilities by pushing him out of the way of an oncoming truck. This involved Rina warping time so that she seemed to be moving super-fast, an ability she had not previously realized she had.

Trying to help Rina (and her warnings) be taken seriously by the New Warriors, Hindsight Lad designed a super hero costume for her, dubbed her "Timeslip", and arranged for her to meet with the team while showing off her time-warping abilities"


If she seemed to be moving superfast, "warping time" around her, then everything else around her must have either slowed down or stopped. But she wasn't moving at superspeed. Regardless of whether she slowed down, or stopped. She was still moving through time. Xavier can't stop someone's mind when they aren't even in the same time period as him. He could be in mid-mind blast. I don't have the issues in front of me, but I wonder exactly what it meant when it says that she was "showing off" her time warping abilities? Showing off implys that it wasn't that hard for her.

Also this from Wiki:
"Over time it became clear that Timeslip's visions always came true exactly as she saw them, and Robbie's apparent death was no exception. In New Warriors #69, the Sphinx appeared and, brushing the Warriors aside, killed Speedball in cold blood. He died in her arms, just as she had foreseen.

However it was ultimately revealed that the Speedball who died in Rina's arms was in fact an exact duplicate who had been created in the year 2092. This advanced biological construct was designed to take Robbie's place as a sleeper agent, tasked with preventing a deranged time-hopping villain, Advent, from rewriting future history to his liking. The Sphinx purposely killed this Speedball duplicate because "he would have failed" to stop Advent. This brutal and seemingly senseless act of murder set in motion a chain of events that drew Rina into the New Warriors team and allowed her to stop Advent herself, saving the future and the rest of the New Warriors.

Timeslip remained with the team through the rest of New Warriors Vol. 1, and in the final issue (#75) was instrumental in preventing the Dire Wraith queen Volx from detonating a device that could have eliminated the special powers of thousands of superhumans. However, in helping to contain the blast, Rina seemed to lose her own special abilities, perhaps permanently."

How does one "contain a blast"? Stopping time, warping time...etc. In the same way that she could stop or contain that blast from killing thousands of superhumans, I maintain that she can grab Xavier and get him to the other side before he can concentrate on mindblasting her, when almost all his focus was on Shola and Lady M in UTV's strategy.

Also, if the Shi'ar can wipe out the entire Grey fam in a matter of 24 secs, why can't one woman who can stop/warp time, bring a guy over to the other side of a 100 yard battlefield? Not impossible. Not improbable. Quite logical.;)

It further goes on to state that in the Official Marvel Handbook, that her abilites were pronounced in the present tense. So regardless, Matt implied that I could write her as using her abilities in the Mutant League main thread.
This is what gets it for me.

[Brian M.]

It's true a major portion of my strat rests on Timeslip's ability to stop time. See above post for some of my reasons. I would like to add that Timeslip obviously uses some form of chronokinesis. Chrono meaning time. Kinesis defintion is:
-kinesis, from Greek "κίνησις", movement, motion, is a suffix that denotes movement. The word Kinesis itself similarly indicates movement, particularly in biology.
She manipulates time movement.

However, I still maintain that Lady M and Shola both would have extreme resistance against Xavier. And with him concentrating on them, who is stopping Rogue? Wolverine? Strong Guy? Shaw? Characters aren't going to just stand there and let themselves be attacked.

That is why we stop at a distance, atleast 50 years away. Immediately after they stop we take out the only energy caster, Rogue, with Justice. By the time the remaining members could get to my guys we've already engaged.

[mattbib]

I could not find where she stopped time.
While it doesn't say stop, here's the exact wording form the recent entry in the OHotMU:

"Timeslip can project her mind into her past or future selves, displacing the self of theat time into her time period of origin. She can alter time's flow, effectively allowing her to act at an incredibly fast (or presumably slow) speed."

[Tre Styles]

That is why we stop at a distance, atleast 50 years away. Immediately after they stop we take out the only energy caster, Rogue, with Justice. By the time the remaining members could get to my guys we've already engaged.

I think ya mean "yards" there. It's probably all this time warp talk. heh. Anyways, I took into account Rogue vs. Justice. (Presuming she was able to absorb Xavier)

Rogue sets the ground on fire by sending fireballs towards the opposing team. If they are shielded by Justice, Rogue will set the ground or air around them on fire, causing them to be “smoked out” being heated from the outside in(even if they are in the air). Eventually, it will get too hot, forcing Justice to drop his bubble or shield, wherever they are.

That's without the telepathy.
Rogue With it I said,

He will have to eventually drop it because Rogue can also use Xavier’s telepathy to force him to drop whatever shielding he might have going on.

If confronting him in the air, Rogue can project mental images of herself using Xavier’s power so that she can disorient whoever confronts her.( whether that be Lightbright, Justice, or Whirlwind.)My team is still keeping a distance from Pulse and Empath until they are taken out. There is fire, dust and smoke, all of which can be getting in the “eyes” of my opponents, which is especially bad for Pulse and maybe Lightbright. Rogue attacks the minds of Justice and Lightbright. She forces Justice to shut down his tk, leaving him open for attack by Strong Guy or Shola depending on where he is. The same with Lightbright, who can also be taken out by another person. Let’s say, Shaw or Lady M. No access to their powers, and they are sufficiently taken down. Justice and Lightbright out.

[Brian M.]

I think ya mean "yards" there. It's probably all this time warp talk. heh. Anyways, I took into account Rogue vs. Justice. (Presuming she was able to absorb Xavier)

Rogue sets the ground on fire by sending fireballs towards the opposing team. If they are shielded by Justice, Rogue will set the ground or air around them on fire, causing them to be “smoked out” being heated from the outside in(even if they are in the air). Eventually, it will get too hot, forcing Justice to drop his bubble or shield, wherever they are.

That's without the telepathy.
Rogue With it I said,

He will have to eventually drop it because Rogue can also use Xavier’s telepathy to force him to drop whatever shielding he might have going on.

If confronting him in the air, Rogue can project mental images of herself using Xavier’s power so that she can disorient whoever confronts her.( whether that be Lightbright, Justice, or Whirlwind.)My team is still keeping a distance from Pulse and Empath until they are taken out. There is fire, dust and smoke, all of which can be getting in the “eyes” of my opponents, which is especially bad for Pulse and maybe Lightbright. Rogue attacks the minds of Justice and Lightbright. She forces Justice to shut down his tk, leaving him open for attack by Strong Guy or Shola depending on where he is. The same with Lightbright, who can also be taken out by another person. Let’s say, Shaw or Lady M. No access to their powers, and they are sufficiently taken down. Justice and Lightbright out.

But that brings us back to square one...can Timeslip or Xavier get there's off first?

[Tre Styles]

But that brings us back to square one...can Timeslip or Xavier get there's off first?


Causing pain or slight confusion to Timeslip isn't going to stop her from stopping or even slowing down time. If they both do it instantaneously as in both our strategies, Xavier is going to "freeze" while Timeslip keeps moving...so it'll be in that split second of time...would it even reach her? It's up to the voters now. I think I've argued my case well, you and Atom did too. I couldn't ask for a better first match.

[Mariah]

But that brings us back to square one...can Timeslip or Xavier get there's off first?
Even if Xavier knocked Rogue out, her power is based on touch. She doesn't have to be conscious in order for it to work.

[Brian M.]

Even if Xavier knocked Rogue out, her power is based on touch. She doesn't have to be conscious in order for it to work.

So say Rogue gets hit by the psi bolt then and Timeslip puts Rogue/Xavier together...how does Timeslip do that with the psi wave going on? It hit Rogue...it'd still hit her too.

[Brian M.]

Causing pain or slight confusion to Timeslip isn't going to stop her from stopping or even slowing down time. If they both do it instantaneously as in both our strategies, Xavier is going to "freeze" while Timeslip keeps moving...so it'll be in that split second of time...would it even reach her? It's up to the voters now. I think I've argued my case well, you and Atom did too. I couldn't ask for a better first match.

I agree, it really is up to the voters now. It has been a great first match either way it goes.

[element13]

now this is really a match, people voting fairly, not based on who's stragety makes you laugh more

[Mariah]

Wouldn't Timeslip's mind be hard to grip like Gambit and Quicksilver's?

[Brian M.]

Wouldn't Timeslip's mind be hard to grip like Gambit and Quicksilver's?

Why? Timeslip technically doesn't have superspeed...and I'm not sure why Gambit is hard to grasp.

[Atom_basher]

Im sorry but tres strat is based LARGELY on timeslip, since her powers work by though just like Xaviers his mind blast her at the very same time she activated her powers i mean, Timeslip is dealt with, and that means his strat is ineffective,

ALSO telekinesis is works at the speed of thought, AND justice makes a sheild around Xavier, how exactly is TIMSLIP attacking xavier through a TK shield

[Fooh01]

I rarely post, but I think i need to here, as far as im concerned i see a bunch of people casting popularity votes, as a avid comic fan, I think timeslip is doing things in Tre's plan that she has never been shown to be able to do.

[Mariah]

Why? Timeslip technically doesn't have superspeed...and I'm not sure why Gambit is hard to grasp.
I would assume if you're moving in between seconds, it'd be hard to grasp if when you're psi-blasting, the person technically isn't even there/then. And Gambit has some some kind of psi defenses. When he first joined the team Psylocke couldn't read his mind, and the faux Xavier couldn't grasp his thoughts, saying that his mind was like Quicksilver's.

[Tre Styles]

So say Rogue gets hit by the psi bolt then and Timeslip puts Rogue/Xavier together...how does Timeslip do that with the psi wave going on? It hit Rogue...it'd still hit her too.

But since Rogue is absorbing the power as the psibolt is hitting her, she's also draining Xavier at the same time. Is it power overload? Xavier's concentration is going to be gone. He would have to try and concentrate on stopping Rogue, which he just wouldn't have time enough to do. And as I said before, it would cause a physical and mental backlash for BOTH of them, but Rogue would recover faster than X would.

[Mariah]

I rarely post, but I think i need to here, as far as im concerned i see a bunch of people casting popularity votes, as a avid comic fan, I think timeslip is doing things in Tre's plan that she has never been shown to be able to do.
I don't see how. I voted on what I found to be the better strategy. I love all these guys, so it's not like I had a biased opinion.

[Atom_basher]

I would assume if you're moving in between seconds, it'd be hard to grasp if when you're psi-blasting, the person technically isn't even there/then. And Gambit has some some kind of psi defenses. When he first joined the team Psylocke couldn't read his mind, and the faux Xavier couldn't grasp his thoughts, saying that his mind was like Quicksilver's.

Ok let me argue this point, timeslip doesnt live in superspeed, and by league rulings characters cant have powers that need activation, activated from the beginning of matches, so as Timeslip is thinking to use her powers Xavier is psi bolting her effectively stopping her before she can "move between the seconds" Youre defending Tre hard on his use of timeslip, but she doesnt ever get to use her powers in our scenario, and lets say she did somehow slip by with with her powers, at the same time she is thinking "use powers" Justice is thinking "Shield" timeslip CANNOT get through one of Justice's TK shields. lets me real here

But since Rogue is absorbing the power as the psibolt is hitting her, she's also draining Xavier at the same time. Is it power overload? Xavier's concentration is going to be gone. He would have to try and concentrate on stopping Rogue, which he just wouldn't have time enough to do. And as I said before, it would cause a physical and mental backlash for BOTH of them, but Rogue would recover faster than X would.

Like i said before, your strat is based LARGELY on your use of timeslip, but liek otehrs have said, TS has to think to activate her powers, and since Xavier is attacking her mind as she is thinking to use her powers she never gets to activate em

[Tre Styles]

I rarely post, but I think i need to here, as far as im concerned i see a bunch of people casting popularity votes, as a avid comic fan, I think timeslip is doing things in Tre's plan that she has never been shown to be able to do.

She has been able to "manipulate" time. She stopped a bomb from going off on her friends and half of the superhuman population. She stopped a time villian who had vast powers, and according to the various evidence and definitons that I have constantly provided, I would hope people would vote on reason, and not on just popularity....and that is certainly your right to believe so, but currently we're tied, so I don't think that's viable here. Is it in the realm of her powers? Certainly.

[Atom_basher]

She has been able to "manipulate" time. She stopped a bomb from going off on her friends and half of the superhuman population. She stopped a time villian who had vast powers, and according to the various evidence and definitons that I have constantly provided, I would hope people would vote on reason, and not on just popularity....and that is certainly your right to believe so, but currently we're tied, so I don't think that's viable here. Is it in the realm of her powers? Certainly.

heres what you are leaving out, that works AGAINST you, if she could STOP TIME, would that bomb have exploded in her face depowering her, it makes no logical sense, the way you are using her, you make he seem like a high end time manipulator, and SHE ISNT, like i said before, if she could outright STOP TIME, the bomb wouldnt have been CLOSE to depowering her

[Tre Styles]

Ok let me argue this point, timeslip doesnt live in superspeed, and by league rulings characters cant have powers that need activation, activated from the beginning of matches, so as Timeslip is thinking to use her powers Xavier is psi bolting her effectively stopping her before she can "move between the seconds" Youre defending Tre hard on his use of timeslip, but she doesnt ever get to use her powers in our scenario, and lets say she did somehow slip by with with her powers, at the same time she is thinking "use powers" Justice is thinking "Shield" timeslip CANNOT get through one of Justice's TK shields. lets me real here



Like i said before, your strat is based LARGELY on your use of timeslip, but liek otehrs have said, TS has to think to activate her powers, and since Xavier is attacking her mind as she is thinking to use her powers she never gets to activate em


Xavier is attacking everyone's mind in your strategy. In your strategy, you say he focuses the "brunt of his attack" on Shola and Lady M. In your strategy, you claim that everyone else is experincing some pain and confusion. So that includes Timeslip in your strategy. But here's the flaw, the characters that you describe Xavier as attacking are experienced PSIs. They have strong psi resistance. Not to mention the majority of my team, who have over the years learned how to resist strong telepathic takeovers, psi-blasts, etc. There is no consideration in your strategy that they are really able to resist him. It's all Xavier causes them confusion and pain, and no one can do anything about it?

Timeslip, in her intial set up, didn't have to think that much to use her powers. When she rescued Hindsight Lad, it was automatic. No thinking involved. Her stepping in between the seconds as described in numerous posts is tantamount to her moving at superspeed, but we know that she's really "slowing/stopping" time around her. She stopped the bomb from killing everyone else. A bomb. It exploded on herself, because, well she had to eventually "restart" the time, right or the bomb would've just gone off where it was. She had to move it somehow. In everyone else's minds eye, it would look like she moved at superspeed. She was in between the seconds moving, slowing or stopping time, whatever you want to call it. Timeslip CAN time travel, has been show to TIME TRAVEL, and was TIME TRAVELLING inbetween the seconds. No matter how great Xavier is, he can not use his powers while reality is warped around him. While time is standing "still" so to speak.

While Justice is still forming a shield, she's there already....I'm thinking of the shield as almost an umbrella before he completes it. I even accounted for him having finished the Shield right after she restarts time. He doesn't have time to get the shield up before Timeslip can get to them. Not at all in my strategy.

[Tre Styles]

heres what you are leaving out, that works AGAINST you, if she could STOP TIME, would that bomb have exploded in her face depowering her, it makes no logical sense, the way you are using her, you make he seem like a high end time manipulator, and SHE ISNT, like i said before, if she could outright STOP TIME, the bomb wouldnt have been CLOSE to depowering her

No, you're missing the pont here. The bomb had to explode. She couldn't stop it from exploding which is why she got it far enough away so it wouldn't harm others. She took on the brunt of it, becoming even more of a hero in the process. A sacrifice. She had to allow the bomb to go off. As the official HANDBOOK states, she can "manipulate the flow of time". FLOW implies things that are moving. ANd I think that slowing down or stopping it for a split second, a second, or one minute is WELL in the REALM of HER POWER> which again is described as TIME MANIPULATION.:)

[Atom_basher]

Lets not play the semantics game, you know what i mean when i say the brunt of, it means he puts more effort into those 2 and it doesn't mean he waits before attacking teh others (most notably timeslip) but it doesn't mean he half asses his attack on the other. Xavier is quite capable of attack your team. and TS with no her ZERO psi resistance should be wrecked

No, you're missing the pont here. The bomb had to explode. She couldn't stop it from exploding which is why she got it far enough away so it wouldn't harm others. She took on the brunt of it, becoming even more of a hero in the process. A sacrifice. She had to allow the bomb to go off. As the official HANDBOOK states, she can "manipulate the flow of time". FLOW implies things that are moving. ANd I think that slowing down or stopping it for a split second, a second, or one minute is WELL in the REALM of HER POWER> which again is described as TIME MANIPULATION.:)

actually I'm not missing the point, if she coudl STOP time, she could stop time carry the bomb, and run away before it detonated, that didnt happen, she carried it away and it STILL exploded in her face she cant stop time and nothing proves she can

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Just let the man use the time controll thingy....jesus...he gave us reasonable points...let it be!

[Brian M.]

Just let the man use the time controll thingy....jesus...he gave us reasonable points...let it be!

Your not getting it, the entire Timeslip vs Xavier debate is the key to the whole match, debating it helps people decide who to vote for.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

ok then in my opinion tre wins this one :D

But your strat was good to, especially the rogue face smashing thingy..

[Atom_basher]

Just let the man use the time controll thingy....jesus...he gave us reasonable points...let it be!

he gave reasons that she could SLOW time not stop it, shes being way overused here, and theres no denying that, another fact that cant be denied is she has to consciously think to activate her powers, in which Xavier is attacking her mind. and TK also works at the speed of thought, one thing people are forgetting is Justice creates a shield at the speed of thought so as soon as TS thinks slow, Justice thinks sheid so even if she COULD slow or freeze time (which i dont think happens due to menatl assault) she would hit a TK wall and wouldnt be able to ever get through

[Brian M.]

Again to those that do not know if your partner in your Mutant League team has already voted, you can not. The first member of the team to vote is the only one that counts.

Thank you to all those who have participated and all those on the fence please continue to ask questions on anything so you can vote for the best strategy.

[xakko]

I just think the time Xavier would take to form the thought to attack would be similar to that spent by Timeslip...

but she still needs to get through Justice's shield...

[Tre Styles]

Lets not play the semantics game, you know what i mean when i say the brunt of, it means he puts more effort into those 2 and it doesn't mean he waits before attacking teh others (most notably timeslip) but it doesn't mean he half asses his attack on the other. Xavier is quite capable of attack your team. and TS with no her ZERO psi resistance should be wrecked

Maybe, should be, but again, TS is not going to be a factor since in my strategy since she and Xavier start at the exact same time. She's going to be outside of time, therefore not be affected by his attack. Xavier is capable of attack, yep, no diggity no doubt, but is he able to continue with his "focus" on the two major psis. Effort implies "more concentration" last I remember. You don't focus Xavier's attack primarily on Timeslip. I'm quite aware that you say he's attacking them all mentally at the same time, but let's look at that....yes, again he's powerful, but with the majority of the team having psi resistance, so TS can easily start the manipulation of time. As a matter of fact, Xavier attacking her can be her defense mechanism, as soon as the pain comes, she automatically can go into defense mode. IE, stopping time. And since Rina has visions of what's going to happen, perhaps she was prepared for that exact moment.....

Now you have Lady M, Shola, Shaw, Wolverine, and even Rogue all resisting Xavier in the psi plane, and you're going to have me believe that they all just crumble lickty split? And that Xavier was mainly focusing as YOU said on Shola and Lady M, but you know causing a little pain and confusion for the others? Come on. You're strrrrrrrrrrrrrrrretching that a bit.



actually I'm not missing the point, if she coudl STOP time, she could stop time carry the bomb, and run away before it detonated, that didnt happen, she carried it away and it STILL exploded in her face she cant stop time and nothing proves she can

The description of her powers. What she did in the comics. It describes it very well to me. Even if you want to play it that she just slowed down time. It's still manipulating time. Which I said in my strategy. I said in parenthesis that she was moving through time, slowing it down/stopping it to grab Xavier, making it seem as if she was moving at superspeed before Justice's shield was fully formed, taking X to the other side and having Rogue absorb Xavier before anyone knew what was happening. If Quicksilver who is not manipulating time, and Xavier can't grab his mind at superspeed, then surely he can't grab hold of RIna's mind when she is moving through time.

[Atom_basher]

I just think the time Xavier would take to form the thought to attack would be similar to that spent by Timeslip...

but she still needs to get through Justice's shield...


Zactly, she would tire out WAY before getting though the shield, Tres strat deals alot with having TS get to Xavier, with the shield in place, she isnt going to get through, that in itself throws a HUGE monkey wrench in Tre's plan

[Tre Styles]

he gave reasons that she could SLOW time not stop it, shes being way overused here, and theres no denying that, another fact that cant be denied is she has to consciously think to activate her powers, in which Xavier is attacking her mind. and TK also works at the speed of thought, one thing people are forgetting is Justice creates a shield at the speed of thought so as soon as TS thinks slow, Justice thinks sheid so even if she COULD slow or freeze time (which i dont think happens due to menatl assault) she would hit a TK wall and wouldnt be able to ever get through

His shield, as I stated two posts ago....

While Justice is still forming a shield, she's there already....I'm thinking of the shield as almost an umbrella before he completes it. I even accounted for him having finished the Shield right after she restarts time. He doesn't have time to get the shield up before Timeslip can get to them. Not at all in my strategy.
would not be fully formed, she would be manipulating time to get there before his shield even dropped around them. When was it ever said that Justice drops shields at the speed of thought?(Not that I necessarily disagree, but where? Also Justice has constantly had to push himself in order to use his powers, and as was said, and shown in the comics, Rina mastered her powers a little quicker than him. Although I will say that both characters have matured and are probably better in the use of thier powers.And as far as TS being "overused", you can think that, but I only had her do "one little thing" lol. Anyways that "overused" argument goes for Xavier (who is not just attacking her mind, but multiple minds at the same time. She can get to him in a split second by warping time, and controlling the flow of time as her descriptions have said....) and Justice as well. Justice is carrying folks, taking out Rogue, maintaining a shield...etc. All very well n' good, but again, I can argue the overused point too. Justice is very good with outright attacks with his TK, but fine telekinetic control? Requires a lot more from him. I know I might lose, and then again I might not, but I'm going to make your work for it. It's not that easy

[Atom_basher]

shield fully formed, come on, thats a weak defense, TK is NOT a slow growing thing, its all or nothing and instant ESPECIALLY with a tk'er as experienced as Justice

[Brian M.]

Here's the thing w/ Justice

If the shield isn't fully formed it still is partially formed...now we can argue where the shield will start and so on but there is really no answer to that...

As for the overused part...

He shields, then carries, stops carrying 50 yards up, keeps a small shield over him and Xavier. then picks up Rogue and Shaw. He drops off 5 folks, picks up 2 (rogue/shaw) while still shielding Xavier and himself. So while he is lifting Rogue/Shaw he is still holding up 3 less people then when he was when he crossed the field.

[Atom_basher]

Here's the thing w/ Justice

If the shield isn't fully formed it still is partially formed...now we can argue where the shield will start and so on but there is really no answer to that...

As for the overused part...

He shields, then carries, stops carrying 50 yards up, keeps a small shield over him and Xavier. then picks up Rogue and Shaw. He drops off 5 folks, picks up 2 (rogue/shaw) while still shielding Xavier and himself. So while he is lifting Rogue/Shaw he is still holding up 3 less people then when he was when he crossed the field.

exactly, you guys make it seem like Justice is doing EVERYTHING AT ONCE he does transitions like UTV said

[Gene M.]

UTV and A_B for this one.

[Tre Styles]

shield fully formed, come on, thats a weak defense, TK is NOT a slow growing thing, its all or nothing and instant ESPECIALLY with a tk'er as experienced as Justice

It's not about it being slow growing. It's about time manipulation. I understand you're saying things to get your win in and that's all good. I am too....but for real, if time is being stopped....excuse me..."slowed" then the SHIELD being formed at the same "instant" time is being slowed. So it's not fully formed because time stopped...excuse me again....slowed down. Which is why in my scenario and mind, it would be half formed. Giving her the opportunity to snatch Xavier out before it's fully formed and she "restarts" time again.

Think about it like the Flash grabbing somebody before a wall falls on them.

[Tre Styles]

exactly, you guys make it seem like Justice is doing EVERYTHING AT ONCE he does transitions like UTV said


Yet Rogue and Shaw wait for him to drop everybody and then watch him attack them? Rogue is in the air in my strategy. Shaw is on the ground. Also on that Rogue piece, you have her taken out very easily. Shaw's ability is kinetic. Her being hit with the teleKINETIC energy would only serve to make her stronger. Also Shaw has some slight telepathy, which would only serve to make her more resistant in that area as well.

[Atom_basher]

It's not about it being slow growing. It's about time manipulation. I understand you're saying things to get your win in and that's all good. I am too....but for real, if time is being stopped....excuse me..."slowed" then the SHIELD being formed at the same "instant" time is being slowed. So it's not fully formed because time stopped...excuse me again....slowed down. Which is why in my scenario and mind, it would be half formed. Giving her the opportunity to snatch Xavier out before it's fully formed and she "restarts" time again.

Think about it like the Flash grabbing somebody before a wall falls on them.

you still haven't proven she even activates her powers due to mental assault. she has 2 obstacles she has to deal with, a frontal mental assault, and shielding, i don't think she is getting her attack off at all.

and since your strat hinges heavily on TS i think it falls apart.

[The Lucky One]

Carol was fine when Rogue was tourmennted by her mind...it doesn't work like that.

I wouldn't exactly call it "fine"... she lost all of her memories, then even after she regained them had no emotional connection to them. It took years for her to get back to "fine."

Meanwhile, Sunfire's running around with all his memories, no indication that anything was amiss (pre-Famine, anyway), and Rogue hasn't mentioned his memories in... what, a year? More?

-D

[Tre Styles]

you still haven't proven she even activates her powers due to mental assault. she has 2 obstacles she has to deal with, a frontal mental assault, and shielding, i don't think she is getting her attack off at all.

and since your strat hinges heavily on TS i think it falls apart.


I have proven she activates her power at the exact same time that Xavier begins his attack. She feels a slight tickle in her brain and moves on. Xavier's 100 yards away. I already dealt with the shield multiple times, so I won't explain that again. It's in at least 5 posts already. So, in essence, my strategy still works.

[Atom_basher]

I have proven she activates her power at the exact same time that Xavier begins his attack. She feels a slight tickle in her brain and moves on. Xavier's 100 yards away. I already dealt with the shield multiple times, so I won't explain that again. It's in at least 5 posts already. So, in essence, my strategy still works.

Telepathy isnt the sort of thing that would be affected by 100 yards, i mean Xavier once touched teh mind of every living thing on the planet once with cerebro. imho you have the burden of proving that TS attack would work, simply because 2 has 2 legitmate obstacles.

and i would hardly count an attack from Xavier, a slight tingle, by any stretch of the imagination


edit: Tre pointed out my mistake, i meant to say he did it WITHOUT cerebro

[sephirothskiller]

IMHO, Tre has the winning strategy.... Except that its too hinged on TS. The diversification of the Lollipop's allows them alot of outs, and considering that stuff doesn't usually go as planned, I think that there would be a greater chance of the Lollipops winning in a full scale battle then Tre.

I feel that Logan probably would have been more resistant to Empath's powers by the way. His rage has overcome brainwashing etc... too many times in the past.

[Atom_basher]

IMHO, Tre has the winning strategy.... Except that its too hinged on TS. The diversification of the Lollipop's allows them alot of outs, and considering that stuff doesn't usually go as planned, I think that there would be a greater chance of the Lollipops winning in a full scale battle then Tre.

I feel that Logan probably would have been more resistant to Empath's powers by the way. His rage has overcome brainwashing etc... too many times in the past.

thanks for the words and vote, although i dont think Wolverine could stand up against Xavier, Empath, and Caliban.

[Tre Styles]

Telepathy isnt the sort of thing that would be affected by 100 yards, i mean Xavier once touched teh mind of every living thing on the planet once with cerebro. imho you have the burden of proving that TS attack would work, simply because 2 has 2 legitmate obstacles.

and i would hardly count an attack from Xavier, a slight tingle, by any stretch of the imagination

Right. With Cerebro.

As she's stopping/slowing time down, sure it would feel like a slight tickle because there wouldn't be time for anything else..

[Atom_basher]

Right. With Cerebro.

As she's stopping/slowing time down, sure it would feel like a slight tickle because there wouldn't be time for anything else..

im sorry that was seriously a mistype i seriously meant to say WITHOUT cerebro, ill make the edit and find teh scan where he does it

[Tre Styles]

im sorry that was seriously a mistype i seriously meant to say WITHOUT cerebro, ill make the edit and find teh scan where he does it

touching minds and sending out psi-blasts are two different things. Especially when once again his major focus is on the two other psis. Timeslip is mentioned as an afterthought in your strategy, and she should've been addressed first. I've argued my points about this, and they are very well outlined in my posts, however, I can't go all night, as I have some other things I must attend to, so those late night and early morning people who might vote, please take the time to read the actual strategies and the reasonable debates from both sides to make your decision. I'm out for the night. 'Night Atom, 'Night UTV. See you in the AM.

[Atom_basher]

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5315/z1cv4.jpg

heres the scan, touching the mind of every mind on the planet is a reference to his power and the fact the distance doesn't effect his powers all that much, i would say that power translates to attacking the minds of 7 people very effectively

[mattbib]

heres the scan, touching the mind of every mind on the planet is a reference to his power and the fact the distance doesn't effect his powers all that much, i would say that power translates to attacking the minds of 7 people very effectively
I don't recall the specifics, but something happened after that that prevents Xavier's mind from working on such a global scale. I think it had to do with Magneto and the earth's magnetic field. Anyone else recall?

[Atom_basher]

I don't recall the specifics, but something happened after that that prevents Xavier's mind from working on such a global scale. I think it had to do with Magneto and the earth's magnetic field. Anyone else recall?

i was under the impression Xavier did this AFTER magneto messed with teh earth polarity. which would make this feat that much more impressive


i may be wrong though

[mattbib]

Regardless, didn't that one feat take months of preparation? I'll admit that my recollection of pre #200 X-Men is spotty.

[Atom_basher]

Regardless, didn't that one feat take months of preparation? I'll admit that my recollection of pre #200 X-Men is spotty.

it might have taken that much time of prep, i was just using it as an example that Xavier's powers can work from a range

[The Lucky One]

I think both teams are asking their characters to do a lot... not impossible stuff necessarily, but things that would really push their limits. I like Tre's use of Rina a lot, and I like her as a character; but none of my memories of the New Warriors suggest she was as effective as all that. Fun, but not really a warrior, or someone who could stop time to that extent. She's also pretty tiny, so would she really be able to drag a 175 lb. man who's (by nature of circumstance) gone limp across 100 yards all by herself? While under psi-interference? I think that's what I question, and while Bri and Atom have Justice doing a lot, he's proven he CAN do a lot while leading the Warriors and with the 'Vengers. That's why I've gotta vote for their squad.

Still, I really dig Tre's creative use of Rina, and I'm looking forward to seeing what he does with her next match.

-D

[venuscameback]

Now that we know more about Timeslip's powers I think UTV & Atom_Basher do have this one. I don't think I've ever read a comic Timeslip has been in & assumed tre knew she could do what wasstated in the strat; unfortunately no-one questioned whether she could completely freeze time or not until I and about 20 others had already voted.

I do think it's a push to have Prof X doing a multi-band psi-bolt wave thingy that focuses on two characters whilst simultaneously affecting others to a lesser degree, but once Justice gets up that defensive shield it's tough going for Tre to make more progress under the strategy he outlined. and I don't think that slowing down time makes Timeslip faster than Justice can think to form a TK shield, wihch is a basic, familiar and quick application of his power.

Knowing what we do now, I'd vote for UTV & Atom_Basher not Tre - sorry guys.

[Atom_basher]

Now that we know more about Timeslip's powers I think UTV & Atom_Basher do have this one. I don't think I've ever read a comic Timeslip has been in & assumed tre knew she could do what wasstated in the strat; unfortunately no-one questioned whether she could completely freeze time or not until I and about 20 others had already voted.

I do think it's a push to have Prof X doing a multi-band psi-bolt wave thingy that focuses on two characters whilst simultaneously affecting others to a lesser degree, but once Justice gets up that defensive shield it's tough going for Tre to make more progress under the strategy he outlined. and I don't think that slowing down time makes Timeslip faster than Justice can think to form a TK shield, wihch is a basic, familiar and quick application of his power.

Knowing what we do now, I'd vote for UTV & Atom_Basher not Tre - sorry guys.

its cool :p but i maintain Xavier is easily powerful enough to do what we have him doing, but thats open for debate i guess

[Brian M.]

Wow, hotly debated match, I'd say this was a pretty good one to lead off the season with.

Tre, when we were writing our strategy we kept trying to come up with what your openning move might be and I'll say that what you came up with was not something we had been brainstorming with. Hell of a match and nothing but the best of luck to you. Thanks to all those for voted, not just for us but took the time to put in your input and such. Hopefully those not in the league that decided to debate will continue to do that for the rest of the tournament.

[Jessica Drew]

Great strategy by both teams, but I think Professor X can think and attack faster than Timeslip can, and I know Justice can multi-task, so I think UTVol8102 & Atom_Basher's opening salvo would give them the early advantage and help tip the game in their favor.

[Jack Flash]

it all boils down to Timeslip versus Prof. X. I think Professor gets the edge, but I REALLY wish that UTV and Atom had focused on Timeslip first rather than Lady M. it would make the decision LOADS easier. Tre did some really creative things and I like his use of timeslip though, I had forgotten about her pre-cog power set completley. even if I think he stretched her time stop powers a bit (but hey it's a contest he's supposed to.) Good game by both squads.

[Atom_basher]

amazing match man Tre u made us work hard for that win, and we wouldnt have wanted it any other way. good luck in your later matches

[mattbib]

Final score is 27:15. Congrats, UTVol8102 & Atom_Basher!

You'll both get to battle again next Monday, as will Tre in the lower bracket.

[Tre Styles]

Wow, hotly debated match, I'd say this was a pretty good one to lead off the season with.

Tre, when we were writing our strategy we kept trying to come up with what your openning move might be and I'll say that what you came up with was not something we had been brainstorming with. Hell of a match and nothing but the best of luck to you. Thanks to all those for voted, not just for us but took the time to put in your input and such. Hopefully those not in the league that decided to debate will continue to do that for the rest of the tournament.

amazing match man Tre u made us work hard for that win, and we wouldnt have wanted it any other way. good luck in your later matches

It was a great first match you guys, and I'm glad that I got to go up against such a great team. It was funny, because, in my initial strategy, I didn't even use Timeslip in such a capacity. Now, I feel that no matter how I use her, it will be debated. But it does say she can manipulate time, and since the majority thinks that is slowing down time, then so be it. It should be the same with Kiden and Tempo too, as I read their powers are almost the same as Rina's. A lot of people say a, b, and c, but almost none of them have read the New Warriors series. I did. So, I still think it was a good strategy. I'll still use Timeslip in the next battle, but in a more "practical" way, since it was just too hard to believe that someone who is described as manipulating the flow of time can actually stop it..because it wasn't "shown" in the comics. I don't ever believe it said in the comics that she "slowed" down time either. And come to think of it, did Professor X ever psiblast multiple people while concentrating on two main psions in comics? I can't recall that he did, but that was accepted. I knew that itwas a gamble for me, that didn't pay off, but that's the way the cookie crumbles... And one day, when Timeslip is shown to stop time, then it'll all be worth it. lol.

But no, congratulations, and like I said in private, it wasn't going to be easy to get the win, but you had to work for it. You guys worked hard and deserve the win. Word of advice though,.....naw, I'll save that for a PM. Godspeed the rest of the tourney.....so who do I face next?.;)

[Brian M.]

It was a great first match you guys, and I'm glad that I got to go up against such a great team. It was funny, because, in my initial strategy, I didn't even use Timeslip in such a capacity. Now, I feel that no matter how I use her, it will be debated. But it does say she can manipulate time, and since the majority thinks that is slowing down time, then so be it. It should be the same with Kiden and Tempo too, as I read their powers are almost the same as Rina's. A lot of people say a, b, and c, but almost none of them have read the New Warriors series. I did. So, I still think it was a good strategy. I'll still use Timeslip in the next battle, but in a more "practical" way, since it was just too hard to believe that someone who is described as manipulating the flow of time can actually stop it..because it wasn't "shown" in the comics. I don't ever believe it said in the comics that she "slowed" down time either. And come to think of it, did Professor X ever psiblast multiple people while concentrating on two main psions in comics? I can't recall that he did, but that was accepted. I knew that itwas a gamble for me, that didn't pay off, but that's the way the cookie crumbles... And one day, when Timeslip is shown to stop time, then it'll all be worth it. lol.

But no, congratulations, and like I said in private, it wasn't going to be easy to get the win, but you had to work for it. You guys worked hard and deserve the win. Word of advice though,.....naw, I'll save that for a PM. Godspeed the rest of the tourney.....so who do I face next?.;)


Yea for a first match, for the first match of the whole tourney...it was tough but I think we set some precedents with temporal and psi mutants. Best of luck to you.

[Mikl C]

Thank god the time manipulators are out.

[Tre Styles]

Thank god the time manipulators are out.

Well, they're not "out" yet. And there are a lot more telepaths out there than time manipulators.