X-Men Summit Major Details

[marco19]

so Mike carey has posted on his site major details of what went on at the x-men summit this past week in NEw York....the upcoming x-men mega crossover sounds like it goign to beyond cool

http://www.mikecarey.net/

[david r]

Interesting read, marco19. Thank you.

Condition Critical. The crossover revolves around Uncanny X-Men, New X-Men, X-Men & X-Factor.

The current lineup from X-Men will be stripped down. Only two or three members of the current team will remain. (I know many fans may not like that!)

Rogue is going to undergo some major changes? Mike Carey says "The story is going to change the status quo in the X-verse enormously, but NOT capriciously." That's pretty vague.

It sounds like the Sentinels standing guard at the X-Mansion will finally be dealt with. But it's not the core part of the story.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Excellent catch there marco


Im looking forward to this. 3 out of the 4 team book writers are good. Hopefully i can skip the brubaker stuff

[Madrox84]

Thanks for the link Marco.

It all sounds very very interesting.

[david r]

I find it amusing when writers are gathered to dream up some story for the editor's amusement. X-Men sure is creator-driven.

Axel Alonso: Okay boys, we need a big summer crossover to maximize our third quarter profits. We want all four books tied in, what have you all dreamed up?

Silence.....tumbleweed blows by.......

Ed Brubaker: uh......I know! We could do a story where the X-Men learn a deep, dark secret from the past. Charles Xavier has been mindwiping the team for decades. They won't know what to believe or NOT BELIEVE!

Joe Quesada: Nah. Only one deep, dark secret from the past per year. Try again.

Peter David: I have an idea. A huge cosmic wall appears surrounding the Earth. The X-Men, New X-Men & X-Factor fly into outer space to uncover the mystery of this new threat. Scott orders full missile launches and the missiles destroy a part of the wall and in there standing before the X-Men is the All-Mighty Face of GOD HIMSELF!

Silence........leaves blow by in the quiet wind.......

Dan Buckley: uh...well......yeah. I think Dan Slott is doing that over in "She-Hulk". Try again.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

"What does God need with a blackbird?"

[Joe Zool]

When you see the cover to issue 5 of this story, some of you will wet your pants, scald yourselves with hot coffee, fall backwards off your chairs and emit involuntary sounds.
The climax – the pay-off – is HUGE.

Is this "Split the internet in half!" part trio? ;)

Just kidding. If Mike Carey says it's good, then I believe it's good. He's my God, after all. The thing, though is, I suspect lots of Rogue fans will not be happy judging by his comments on her.

[Joe Zool]

I have a question, though... What the heck are the "Parker novels"? Anybody know what that's about?

[david r]

The Parker novels are written by Richard Stark. They revolve around master criminal Parker, who has returned from retirement to begin his robbing again. They are crime/mystery novels.

It's no surprise that Ed Brubaker is a fan. The writer of Sleeper and Criminal loves these types of stories.

[Joe Zool]

The Parker novels are written by Richard Stark. They revolve around master criminal Parker, who has returned from retirement to begin his robbing again. They are crime/mystery novels.

It's no surprise that Ed Brubaker is a fan. The writer of Sleeper and Criminal loves these types of stories.

Yeah, not surprising. Judging by the google search, I can already see elements of that in his Daredevil.

Anyway, thanks. :)

[Zombienorthstar]

WAIT! Two or three...does this mean the holy triumvirate of Rogue, Cannonball and Iceman may not remain?

Does this mean the burgoening relationship between Iceman and Mystique may not last?

I'm ANGRY!

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Does this mean the burgoening relationship between Iceman and Mystique may not last?


Well Iceman only has so much air in that closet he's hiding in

[david r]

Well Iceman only has so much air in that closet he's hiding in

If Bobby is gay, why has he the hots for Lorna for 40 years?

[scouse mouse]

Im gutted that the line up is going to be broken up so soon! Its safe to assume Rogue is staying put, but its more than likely that Lady M will be gone. BOOOO!
Keep Regan she rocks!

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

If Bobby is gay, why has he the hots for Lorna for 40 years?

Because she is unavailable. Iceman needs a beard, he gets cold.


Brrrrrrr

[CaptainCanada]

I already buy three of the four titles included in the X-over, so that works for me.

From the looks of it, editorial is banking on Astonishing not coming close to meeting its deadlines, which seems like a safe bet.

[Omega Alpha]

Because she is unavailable. Iceman needs a beard, he gets cold.


Brrrrrrr

Oh, please, i'm sure it's just a coincidence the fact that he has the hots only for women who happen to be in love with other men (Annie, Lorna) or with whom he knows he will never get anywhere (like Mystique, or Opal), or shapeshifters (Mystique, Cloud). And he certainly wasn't interested in competition with Alex at all in the whole Bobby-Lorna-Alex-Annie thing, it had nothing to do with it, much less the main reason.



I already buy three of the four titles included in the X-over, so that works for me.

From the looks of it, editorial is banking on Astonishing not coming close to meeting its deadlines, which seems like a safe bet.

Actually, Astonishing is on schedule, the delays were caused by Alonso himself.

[Nyssane]

More crossovers? *huff*

[Beast]

Sounds like this is going to rock. I can't wait to see Carey's cast changes. I hope he can wrestle away Beast from Astonishing, if Bendis doesn't get to call in his marker for him. I'd have Joe Quesda's babies for Beast and Iceman in the same book. Carey writes both so well. And I miss their friendship being shown. :D

[Brian M.]

Sounds like this is going to rock. I can't wait to see Carey's cast changes. I hope he can wrestle away Beast from Astonishing, if Bendis doesn't get to call in his marker for him. I'd have Joe Quesda's babies for Beast and Iceman in the same book. :D

How about anything that puts Angel in a damn book?

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

the only way i would want to read anything about Angel would be if its an obituary


unless they write him as crazy as i feel he clearly is

[Grunty]

I see forward to this X-event.

But only because i have following hope:
"Please let Marrow and Cecilia Reyes return in it!"

Really, i want them back, they where cool in Operation Zero Tolerance and in the following year and they haven't had any dialoge together anymore since a long time (i loved theire interactions)

Marrow could serve as replacement for Sabertooth (i don't think the X-men really want to keep him around forever) as bladed healing factor equicked muscle and a good doctor like Cecilia is always usefull since they wouldn't have Beast around for emergencys.

Sorry for posting this but i really miss those two in X-men since some time.

[Beast]

Wasn't there teases that Cecilia was going to turn up in the Annual?

[ibrakeforchinwe]

If Bobby is gay, why has he the hots for Lorna for 40 years?

Cuz shes a tranny?

[CaptainCanada]

Actually, Astonishing is on schedule, the delays were caused by Alonso himself.
I've never believed that explanation.

[Beast]

I've never believed that explanation.
Yeah, especially since the delays were there even before Alonso took over.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

I've never believed that explanation.

And that is why you failed

[Flameworthy]

OMG, please let Sunfire join Carey's team. I'd love to see him and Rogue on the same team, and if you threw Cecilia in there, it'd make it all the better.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Sunfire is criminally underused. Although i want him to stick with the tacky 70s mantis face costume

[Beast]

OMG, please let Sunfire join Carey's team. I'd love to see him and Rogue on the same team, and if you threw Cecilia in there, it'd make it all the better.
Sounds like Gambit and likely Sunfire won't be joining anyone anytime soon.

[Flameworthy]

Sounds like Gambit and likely Sunfire won't be joining anyone anytime soon.

Never say never.;)

[Beast]

Well, his comment about Gambit is pretty cryptic.
Oh, and there will be Death - meaning Gambit. By the time you’ve read the #200-#203 arc and the Adjectiveless chapters of the crossover, Gambit will have moved a long way from where he is now.

[Canemacar]

No where for Gambit to go but up.

[Omega Alpha]

I've never believed that explanation.

That idiot of the letters page in Uncanny said at New Joe Friday's it was caused due to "an editorial revamp". Whedon said that the issue was ready months before that, and #18 had ads from October, including from shows that would air only one time in that month, so they were ready to be released on time.

[Beast]

No where for Gambit to go but up.
I don't know. He could kill an X-Man and be moved further down the road to villian.

[Beast]

That idiot of the letters page in Uncanny said at New Joe Friday's it was caused due to "an editorial revamp". Whedon said that the issue was ready months before that, and #18 had ads from October, including from shows that would air only one time in that month, so they were ready to be released on time.
Funny how it's the only book that's constantly delayed during this so-called "Editorial Revamp".

[Canemacar]

I don't know. He could kill an X-Man and be moved further down the road to villian.

AS long as it's well written, I wouldn't be complaining.

[Mystique25]

Does anybody know exactly when this crossover starts, like what month, and particular issues too?

[Beast]

Does anybody know exactly when this crossover starts, like what month, and particular issues too?
From what's been figured out, it sounds like September.

[Canemacar]

From what's been figured out, it sounds like September.

But isn't it supposed to be a summer crossover?

[Joe Zool]

I also forgot to answer that cover question. I don’t even know who’s going to draw it - or rather, I think I do but I don’t want to say unless I get it wrong. But what’s going to cause the wet pants, second degree burns, overturned furniture et cetera is what’s going to be *on* the cover. And by what I mainly mean who.

Dammit! I hate teases! :cool:

[Beast]

But isn't it supposed to be a summer crossover?
That's what was said. But the storylines that tie into it won't be freed up until September.
I only recall the one off hand, let me dig the chart up.

New X-Men - Search for Magik (4 Issues) May - August

Edit: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=4202872&postcount=215

[caney]

Heh...Mike does a good job of making the crossover sound exciting without really giving away any big spoiler.

I am a little worried about there only being two of his current line-up left after the crossover. I hope Bobby's one of the two. I'd hate to see him fall into limbo again... :(

Iceman and Beast and Angel together again in Adjectiveless. Make it happen Carey!!!! :D

[Beast]

Iceman and Beast and Angel together again in Adjectiveless. Make it happen Carey!!!! :D
That would be great. Toss in Rogue, Cecilia Reyes, and hmmm, 6th slot is tough.

[Canemacar]

Nah. Beast and Angel would be better in Astonishing with Cyke. Hell, let them take Bobby too and have an O4 reunion.

[Beast]

Nah. Beast and Angel would be better in Astonishing with Cyke. Hell, let them take Bobby too and have an O4 reunion.
Yeah, but Mike Carey wants Beast. That's why he uses him so much as a cameo.

[Canemacar]

As long as Carey lets Rogue call the good doctor; "Bones", I'll be fine with him onboard her ship.:D

[caney]

That would be great. Toss in Rogue, Cecilia Reyes, and hmmm, 6th slot is tough.

NORTHSTAR!!!!!!!.:cool:

[Beast]

NORTHSTAR!!!!!!!.:cool:
That would be great. Play off Iceman and he could be snarky about Hank's fake coming out. :D

[Kalen O.]

Hey, how about Jean? Maybe that could be the person Carey didnt even bother asking for since he didnt think he'd get them....and it'd take care of that pesky telepath slot he's always trying to fill, heh.

[Kalen O.]

Damn double post.

[Beast]

Hey, how about Jean? Maybe that could be the person Carey didnt even bother asking for since he didnt think he'd get them....and it'd take care of that pesky telepath slot he's always trying to fill, heh.
Jean would be a dream come true. But I somewhat doubt it. :(

[Kalen O.]

Oh I agree its not likely to happen, but hey, a fanboy can dream right? Lol, sides, its a pretty safe bet that whenever she does come back its gonna be in one of these big summer X-events crossover thing anyways. So hey, who knows?

[Flameworthy]

That would be great. Toss in Rogue, Cecilia Reyes, and hmmm, 6th slot is tough.

Nah, I'm not a huge fan of seeing so many O5 on one team. I rather they be split up on different teams.

I'd love to see this team though:

Rogue, Sunfire, Iceman, Northstar, Aurora, and Cecilia.

[xakko]

Oh I agree its not likely to happen, but hey, a fanboy can dream right? Lol, sides, its a pretty safe bet that whenever she does come back its gonna be in one of these big summer X-events crossover thing anyways. So hey, who knows?

the sad thing is that the two returns i'd most like to see - Jean and Illyana - would be diminished greatly by the lack of the Astonishing cast in the crossover.

[Kalen O.]

Well yeah but just because Astonishing isnt taking part in the crossover, doesnt mean the cast wont be. In fact, I cant even begin to imagine that this crossover would involve all four X-titles AND Cable and Sinister and somehow not have Cyclops and Beast in there somewhere. After all, Astonishing didnt handle House of M or Decimation within the title, but the cast was still crucial to the events playing out in other titles. Just look at how Carey uses Scott, Emma and Beast in adjectiveless. Doesnt matter that Astonishing wont take part in the crossover, we'll still see Cyclops and the others in the other titles.

[Beast]

the sad thing is that the two returns i'd most like to see - Jean and Illyana - would be diminished greatly by the lack of the Astonishing cast in the crossover.
How do you know that. Who says Colossus and Kitty won't guest-star?

Besides, Illyana isn't going to even know anyone on the Astonishing cast outside her brother.

[Beast]

Nah, I'm not a huge fan of seeing so many O5 on one team. I rather they be split up on different teams.

I'd love to see this team though:

Rogue, Sunfire, Iceman, Northstar, Aurora, and Cecilia.
Ditch Northstar, Aurora, and Sunfire. And you've got a good start.

[xakko]

How do you know that. Who says Colossus and Kitty won't guest-star?

Besides, Illyana isn't going to even know anyone on the Astonishing cast outside her brother.

the what now?

Illyana - 616 'Yana - knew Cyke... and Emma, albeit as a villain.

And there was the matter of her roommate - and soulmate- being the current star of the title

[claimtosubclaim]

Here are my guesses as to the character that Carey might get that he didn't even think to ask for.

Beast: Like Beast said, Carey loves Hank and has been giving him tons of exposure in his book so far. Hell, he's had more dialogue in 2 issues than Iceman has in Carey's whole run so far.

Cyclops: Another one of Carey's favorites. Cyclops is the biggest candidate for being assumedly 'hands off' because of his prominence in Astonishing.

Psylocke: He originally wanted her on the team, but was denied access due to Claremont using her in Excalibur and Exiles. With Cable likely exiting, the team may need another telekinetic to fill his shoes.

I'd personally like Carey's team to consist of Rogue, Iceman, Cannonball, Husk, Psylocke, Polaris, and either Mystique or Omega Sentinel. Being the only males on the team would hike up Bobby and Cannonball's self esteem and "big brother" insticts. Probably drive up sexual tension a bit too.

I also hope Angel and Husk end up on someone’s team (whether they're together or separate), because they’ve been in character limbo for quite some time. I figure editorial will say that Paige has been in Kentucky caring after the family after Jay's death and Melody's loss of power, and Warren has been absent because of his commitment to Worthington Industries and ‘Mutantes Sans Frontières’.

[kate-pryde]

There's been a rumor going around on one of the Rachel forums that she's leaving Uncanny for another title, possibly written by Bru. It sounds like Ray might be going to some sort of space spinoff book, but with the lack of telepaths, you wonder if she might be headed to Adjectiveless.

[Beast]

the what now?

Illyana - 616 'Yana - knew Cyke... and Emma, albeit as a villain.

And there was the matter of her roommate - and soulmate- being the current star of the title
We're talking about the House of M Illyana.

[Joe Zool]

the what now?

Illyana - 616 'Yana - knew Cyke... and Emma, albeit as a villain.

And there was the matter of her roommate - and soulmate- being the current star of the title

You know, that makes me think of something...

If the rumor is true that the next Astonishing writer was at the summit, he might introduce Illyana in his run if what we're led to believe comes true--'Yana is reintroduced back into 616. If the writer is keeping most of the cast intact, I'm sure he has a vested interest in seeing and hearing about what happens to Illyana.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall while this summit was taking place. :)

[Beast]

There's been a rumor going around on one of the Rachel forums that she's leaving Uncanny for another title, possibly written by Bru. It sounds like Ray might be going to some sort of space spinoff book, but with the lack of telepaths, you wonder if she might be headed to Adjectiveless.
That sounds pretty unlikely in my opinion.

[Flameworthy]

Ditch Northstar, Aurora, and Sunfire. And you've got a good start.

Pfft, says you.

[Beast]

You know, that makes me think of something...

If the rumor is true that the next Astonishing writer was at the summit, he might introduce Illyana in his run if what we're led to believe comes true--'Yana is reintroduced back into 616. If the writer is keeping most of the cast intact, I'm sure he has a vested interest in seeing and hearing about what happens to Illyana.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall while this summit was taking place. :)
I doubt the Astonishing Cast will stay together once the team swaps happen again.

[Joe Zool]

I doubt the Astonishing Cast will stay together once the team swaps happen again.

That's why I said "most." :)

I figure the new writer will probably want to keep the powerhouses: Cyclops and Emma Frost, maybe Colossus (granted, if he survives "Unstoppable)/Kitty.

Or maybe Brubaker or Carey will be the new "it" guy and they get their lion's share of the pick this time around. Really wish we knew more. :(

[Beast]

Carey seems pretty happy with his picks this time around. So hopefully he got everyone he wanted. :)

[xakko]

We're talking about the House of M Illyana.

you were. The 'Yana I want back is normal 616.

regardless, odd are that HoM Illyana's soul matches as well with Kitty's

[Red Lotus]

How do you know that. Who says Colossus and Kitty won't guest-star?

Besides, Illyana isn't going to even know anyone on the Astonishing cast outside her brother.

Joss run on AXM should be over by then, so she might be in it. I would like to know when and if the stuff thats going on in AXM will hit the books.

[Brett P]

you were. The 'Yana I want back is normal 616.

regardless, odd are that HoM Illyana's soul matches as well with Kitty's


But all HoM people were the 616 versions with altered histories.

Emma, Scott etc were "HoM versions" until Layla came along and restored their real memories.

Therefore, HoM Illyana, is 616 Illyana alive and well, but just with an altered history/memories. All it would need is Layla or maybe even Elixir to restore her correct memories...

[Mariah]

OMG, please let Sunfire join Carey's team. I'd love to see him and Rogue on the same team, and if you threw Cecilia in there, it'd make it all the better.
It's about time Sunfire at least made an appearance. I'd love to see him on the team. Here's hoping Dani gets repowered and she and Karma jump on a team.

[Mariah]

Nah, I'm not a huge fan of seeing so many O5 on one team. I rather they be split up on different teams.

I'd love to see this team though:

Rogue, Sunfire, Iceman, Northstar, Aurora, and Cecilia, with Dani and Karma.
Fixed it for you, papi.;)

[Faded]

Sounds good!

For some reason, I see Rogue and Mystique staying on with either Cannonball or Iceman.

Personally, I'm really hoping Marrow, Cecilia Reyes, and Northstar become the new members. Or perhaps and/or Mercury, Anole, and Rockslide.

I'm really intrigued! I need more info!

(P.S. I thought C&D was tied into this arc as well?)

[Beast]

No. Cable & Deadpool is tied to the Cable focused storyarc.

[Flameworthy]

Fixed it for you, papi.;)

lol Those would also be some great additions too mi amore. :D Although I have to admit that I'm not a big fan of Karma. Dani however, I have liked at times, like when she could create those super cool psionic arrows. Hopefully if she does get her powers back, it's something along that lines. Also I loved her being a Valkyrie.

Oh, and I would also love to see her use the Mirage codename again too. I'm not a fan of characters using their last names as codenames, no matter how cool it sounds.

Sounds good!
Personally, I'm really hoping Marrow, Cecilia Reyes, and Northstar become the new members. Or perhaps and/or Mercury, Anole, and Rockslide.


Marrow sadly, is a lost cause for me now. After what Tieri did to her, I don't there's anything she could do in my eyes to redeem herself. :(

[Faded]

Marrow sadly, is a lost cause for me now. After what Tieri did to her, I don't there's anything she could do in my eyes to redeem herself. :(

What he did to Chamber made me lose complete hope for him. But I think Marrow has a bundle of flimsy excuses to preserve my love. :(

[Canemacar]

Don't you think it's a bit short-sighted to claim that any character is destroyed beyond repair? With comics ever-changing creative teams and unending stories, it's never too late for someone to make a comeback.

[Beast]

Don't you think it's a bit short-sighted to claim that any character is destroyed beyond repair? With comics ever-changing creative teams and unending stories, it's never too late for someone to make a comeback.
Vulcan. ;)

[Anna]

Anyone else notice that Chris Claremont seems to be out of the loop?

[Beast]

Anyone else notice that Chris Claremont seems to be out of the loop?
So is Astonishing. Frankly NEX is in England, so a crossover in the manner that they're describing would be fairly difficult and problematic to involve them anyway. Not a big deal.

[Kalen O.]

Originally Posted by Canemacar
Don't you think it's a bit short-sighted to claim that any character is destroyed beyond repair? With comics ever-changing creative teams and unending stories, it's never too late for someone to make a comeback.

Vulcan.

Actually as weird as this might sound, considering Brubaker's the writer that created him....I think Vulcan has a lot of potential, I just don't like how Brubaker writes him. What I mean is, there are certain aspects of Vulcan's backstory and character archetype that I find fascinating, and that if emphasized over other more obvious traits of his, like his immaturity, he could be an extremely compelling character. I just don't like which aspects of the character Brubaker chose to spotlight. But in a different writer's voice....well, hey. I'd love to see Carey write him (based on the amazing work he's done with characters like Lucifer), or I think Peter David could craft some fantastic storylines with all the dark corners of Vulcan's mind.

[Beast]

I'd rather see him killed, chopped up into little bits, run through a meat grinder, and fed to starving kids. Just to ensure he never comes back. Horrible character that makes Anakin Skywalker seem mature.

[Kalen O.]

Heh, well I suppose its a good thing we're all entitled to our own opinions then.

[Beast]

Heh, well I suppose its a good thing we're all entitled to our own opinions then.
Probably. Just be glad I'm not Joe Quesada. Or am I? Mwahahaha. :D

[Christopher O]

Horrible character that makes Anakin Skywalker seem mature.
Yes, Beast, that's sort of the point.

[Beast]

Yes, Beast, that's sort of the point.
Not really. Vulcan could be a great character... if he was presented as sympathic.

Instead he's just pathic.

[tetragene]

Anyone else notice that Chris Claremont seems to be out of the loop?

NEX is going to be in Otherworld when this X-event starts (assuming it starts by July). I'd really like to see the NEX cast interact with the other x-teams because there is a lot of ground to cover, sadly I think the only other x-book they will ever interect with in some magnitude is Exiles--not because of the Nocturne connections, but because of the Betsy-Brian-Roma-Otherworld connections :/

Not really. Vulcan could be a great character... if he was presented as sympathic.

Instead he's just pathic.

I thought that was the point of Vulcan? He's physically an adult, but emotionally/mentally still very much a child--so his tantrum and hissy-fits seem fairly logical since he effectively has the mindset of a child or brooding/moody pre-teen/teen

[Christopher O]

Not really. Vulcan could be a great character... if he was presented as sympathic.

Instead he's just pathic.
Again, that's the point. Brubaker has mentioned his intentions for the character and has so far lived up to them.

[d newton]

As for Bishop… I hope no one uses him again. I was finally starting to like him until what David Hine did to him. Making him betray the X-Men and sign up with SHRA and Sentinel Squad O*N*E. Meh.
We seem to have forgotten he's a cop as well as a mutant.

It was nice to see the remaining members of the O5 team together again. But to basically ignore them for the 198r’s, Sentinal Squad O*N*E, General Lazer, and especially Johnny Dee.
He had to tie up the loose ends from the first mini somehow without using any of the ongoing titles.

[Beast]

We seem to have forgotten he's a cop as well as a mutant.
That's a pretty weak sauce argument to justify some bad characterization.
He had to tie up the loose ends from the first mini somehow without using any of the ongoing titles.
Sure. Didn't require his pet character and all the focus on the 198 or SSO.

[Canemacar]

We seem to have forgotten he's a cop as well as a mutant.

He's also from a future where just this sort of legislation ruined the world IIRC. The sentinels took over and wiped out a lot of people. You'd think he'd be a bit more hesitant about siding with the Pro-regs; especially since it puts him at odds with his childhood heroes. Personally, I find it somewhat out of character, but that sort of thing is par for the course these days it seems.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Sounds very intriguing.

Hmmm. Am glad Astonishing isn't part of this. Not because of the delays, but because of the fact that by the time this crossover comes to be Astonishing will probably be in the transition between Whedon and who ever will be replacing him. The book might even be on a short hiatus during that.

Can we assume, from Chris Claremont's absence at the summit, that neither eXiles or New Excalibur will play any part in this? I mean I think most of us already assumed that, but this kind of confirms it...

[Canemacar]

I get the feeling that Claremont isn't really kep in the loop very much these days. Seems to me he's been put out to pasture on non-core titles, where he can't do much harm, to appease his hardcore fans and for the good PR that having the godfather of mutants on payroll brings.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I get the feeling that Claremont isn't really kep in the loop very much these days. Seems to me he's been put out to pasture on non-core titles, where he can't do much harm, to appease his hardcore fans and for the good PR that having the godfather of mutants on payroll brings.

I'd partly agree. But really, neither New Excalibur, nor eXiles, has any direct contact with US based X-Men affairs. They're very self-contained. They CAN interact if they choose, but certainly don't HAVE to. Plus, it's really too early to get either titles involved in another crossover, at this point.

[streator]

i already get uncanny, x-factor and x-men but i don't know if i'll pick up the new x-men crossover issues or not.

i passed on getting the black panther issues of the recent crossover with x-men but we'll see. it all depends on what the story is and how many issues are involved.

[SnakeEater]

I just noticed this topic and im a little confused so im hoping someone can bring me up to speed.
I understand there is going to be another X-men crossover. Just want to ask a few questions.
1) obviously (or from what i have read here) Astonishing isnt going to be involved. But is astonishing ending when Whedon is gone, or is it going to continue afterward? Also will the team we see now be there when he is gone?

2) This crossover is a summer event and they plan on changing Carey's roster correct? I couldnt stand reading his run after the first three issues. Seeing Sabretooth in the mansion with Wolverine and them not killing each other just made me sick, and Mystique on the team after all the killing's she has done to important characters....yuck. I also didnt like the lady mastermind robot chick or whoever she was. If it changes maybe ill come back.

3) what are the known facts about this crossover?
Hopefully Civil War will be done by then and maybe i can pick this event up

[Red Lotus]

Where is Stryfe. Didn't Carey say he was going to use him?

[claimtosubclaim]

I just noticed this topic and im a little confused so im hoping someone can bring me up to speed.
I understand there is going to be another X-men crossover. Just want to ask a few questions.
1) obviously (or from what i have read here) Astonishing isnt going to be involved. But is astonishing ending when Whedon is gone, or is it going to continue afterward? Also will the team we see now be there when he is gone?

2) This crossover is a summer event and they plan on changing Carey's roster correct? I couldnt stand reading his run after the first three issues. Seeing Sabretooth in the mansion with Wolverine and them not killing each other just made me sick, and Mystique on the team after all the killing's she has done to important characters....yuck. I also didnt like the lady mastermind robot chick or whoever she was. If it changes maybe ill come back.

3) what are the known facts about this crossover?
Hopefully Civil War will be done by then and maybe i can pick this event up

1.) According to Joe Quesada, Astonishing will have a new creative team which has yet to be announced. The cast hasn't been announced either. Even though Astonishing won't be involved in the crossover, the new writer may have been at last weeks X-Summit to give and get input.

2) Mike said that only two or at the most three of the current members would still be on. Rogue will likely still be leading, and I'm relatively sure that Sabretooth and Lady Mastermind will be out of the picture. Mystique and Omega Sentinel... could swing either way. Who knows?

You don't see Logan and Creed killing each other in the mansion because Wolverine isn't one of the main characters in Mike's book. If you want to see them duke it out in the mansion, check out the next Wolverine story arc, where they just fight each other for 4 issues straight. But that sounds kind of lame, doesn't it? Yeah.
As for your disdain for Mystique being on the team, I understand. However, remember that the X-Men have a history of forgiving ex-villains. They haven't forgotten what she has done though. In X-Men #193, Rogue makes it a point to get in Mystique's face about killing Moira and slitting Sean's throat; admitting that the only reason she's on her team is to keep a close eye on her. Cannonball even mentions the cliche 'keep your friends close, and your enemies closer'.

3) Read the first post in this thread for some info. Other than that, there aren't too many details other than the crossover is intended to deal with both seen and unseen after-effects of Decimation in a BIG way.

Though it's looking likely, I hope Carey doesn't lose Iceman and Cannonball post-crossover... After reading Brubaker's dull characterizations of Polaris and Nightcrawler in Uncanny (I would add Havok and Rachel to the list as well, but they don't have the most distict personalities to begin with), I don't think he could get their characters' voices right. Nothing personal against Bru. I love his work on DD, Captain America, Iron Fist and Criminal. He just doesn't seem to be hitting any genuine character beats in his run so far.

[jen]

2) This crossover is a summer event and they plan on changing Carey's roster correct? I couldnt stand reading his run after the first three issues. Seeing Sabretooth in the mansion with Wolverine and them not killing each other just made me sick, and Mystique on the team after all the killing's she has done to important characters....yuck. I also didnt like the lady mastermind robot chick or whoever she was. If it changes maybe ill come back.


Dude! If that is the only reason you haven't picked up MC's X-Men you are totally 100% missing out! I don't think a roster change is gonna make it any better than it is now! :D

[Beast]

Dude! If that is the only reason you haven't picked up MC's X-Men you are totally 100% missing out! I don't think a roster change is gonna make it any better than it is now! :D
What Jen said. I was very very hesitant to embrace the current roster also. But it works. It's the best of the 3 core books right now. With Astonishing a close second.

[proteus]

I am disappointed to hear that Carey is changing his lineup. I really liked this team. :( I'm not looking forward to seeing it change.

[Brett P]

Sounds good!

For some reason, I see Rogue and Mystique staying on with either Cannonball or Iceman.

Personally, I'm really hoping Marrow, Cecilia Reyes, and Northstar become the new members. Or perhaps and/or Mercury, Anole, and Rockslide.



LORD, no!

Keep the kids in their own book, because once you start breaking them up, New X-Men is finished and then most of them slip into oblivion...by keeping them together as the "new" squad, we can hopefully ensure that the book lasts and they all stick around for a good long time to come!

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Id love for him to keep Rogue and Cannonball. He should bring in northstar, Karma, Moonstar, sunfire and Psylocke and i'd have a joygasm.

[Omega Alpha]

LORD, no!

Keep the kids in their own book, because once you start breaking them up, New X-Men is finished and then most of them slip into oblivion...by keeping them together as the "new" squad, we can hopefully ensure that the book lasts and they all stick around for a good long time to come!

Besides, they are not experienced enough to be on any senior team, they shouldn't be with the big boys.

[Scavenger]

There's been a rumor going around on one of the Rachel forums that she's leaving Uncanny for another title, possibly written by Bru. It sounds like Ray might be going to some sort of space spinoff book, but with the lack of telepaths, you wonder if she might be headed to Adjectiveless.

That'd work for me! Get her away from hacks like Brubaker in the hands of someone who could write her well!

Y'know, I really hope this thing doesn't screw up X-Factor.

[Grunty]

Marrow sadly, is a lost cause for me now. After what Tieri did to her, I don't there's anything she could do in my eyes to redeem herself. :(

Hey there is always a possebility.
Her apearance in Weapon X was very brief, a few of the first issues and two of the later ones with Gene Nation thats about it.

Also unlike poor Chamber her existance as weapon X member wasn't mentiod in later apearances like Generation M.

There are still possebilitys to redeem her.
For example simple say that what we saw in the series was actualy what happend in the Days of Future Now universe and that even tought there had been a 616 version of this Weapon X group closely resembling them, Marrow wasn't part in it!
After all the whole joining for beauty thing didn't made any sense since she had came over it during her X-men time.

The same way they can bring Cecilia back.

And if you ask where she had been. They can simply say she made a long selffinding trip to get her brain back together (after SHIELD had brainwashed her). Which can also be used to enhance her skills by saying she learned it on the trip.

LORD, no!

Keep the kids in their own book, because once you start breaking them up, New X-Men is finished and then most of them slip into oblivion...by keeping them together as the "new" squad, we can hopefully ensure that the book lasts and they all stick around for a good long time to come!
I second that.
We have enough ex junior X-men running around desperate to not completly fall into limbo or being killed in cameo apearances (poor Skin, i liked him).

They should be keept in that book for the time being.
Also Mercury and Anole already beginn to get a little spotlight back in that book.
To all of that New X-men unique backround allows a change of the rooster without havehing to let the others disapear.
For example they can simply take Rockslide out for a some issues and replace him with Onyxx. Rockslide will still be at the Mansion and if they want they can simply change it back and no one fell into limbo!

Thats what makes New X-men so great. The kids are always around.

[claimtosubclaim]

I know a lot of you love the New X-Men characters (and for some reason, the side characters more than the core team). But man, if you think they were getting slaughtered in their own title in the last year, they would all be worm food by now on Rogue's team. The purpose of her squad is to be a rapid response unit AWAY from the mansion, their teaching duties, and the students. It doesn't strike me as very wise to bring the kids along for the ride, especially with Sabretooth, Mystique and Lady M in tow. Let's give the X-babies a few more years before they graduate and join the already overpopulated ranks of the X-Men membership.

[Beast]

I know a lot of you love the New X-Men characters (and for some reason, the side characters more than the core team). But man, if you think they were getting slaughtered in their own title in the last year, they would all be worm food by now on Rogue's team. The purpose of her squad is to be a rapid response unit AWAY from the mansion, their teaching duties, and the students. It doesn't strike me as very wise to bring the kids along for the ride, especially with Sabretooth, Mystique and Lady M in tow. Let's give the X-babies a few more years before they graduate and join the already overpopulated ranks of the X-Men membership.
It's really only one or two people asking for that. Everyone else seems to realize how insane it would be for responsible adults to drag these kids into the field on a regular basis. And nah, in a few more years most of the New X-Men kids will probably be dead. The current writing team churns through them fast enough. ;)

[jarrod]

Well, picking a team I'd like to see Carey handling, keeping half from the current roster...

-Rogue (leader, somewhat reckless)
-Nightcrawler (co-leader, moral center)
-Mystique (estranged from both kids, trying to do good)
-Iceman (defending Raven, senior X-Man on the team)
-Cannonball (team player, Bobby's buddy, play up big brother role)
-Marvel Girl (super powerful but comparably immature)
-Warpath (nice stand in for Sabretooth, only not crazy)
-Husk (just do something with her)

[Beast]

Mike dropped a few more hints on his website in replies...

http://www.mikecarey.net/?p=168#comment-6045

[claimtosubclaim]

Jarrod- I agree. Husk needs to be in a book now. Carey has stated in the past at wanting to use her, so we'll find out soon enough if he got dibs.

Anyways, on to more pressing matters.

New info from Mike Carey's comments section, for those of you who don't read it:

Uncannily - I feel that Regan love. Regan in limbo? No.

Axel - again, not limbo. I won’t say any more than that. But you know I was talking about giving Gambit an appearance mainly in order to hit some Rogue beats. Well, there’s going to be a lot more to it than that.

Alister - thanks for the suggestions. I love “First Line”. I was only kidding, really, about adding an adjective. It’s possible that there’ll be some name shake-ups but it’s not something that was discussed.

Gavin - Northstar will be involved in the crossover, and he’ll be interacting with some of the Adjectiveless cast. I think you’re going to get more than a few good Beaubier moments. But I’m going to duck any guesses about the new team members because otherwise I’m going to be sucked inexorably into that whole twenty questions thing…

Cory - there are a *lot* of mutants I’d like to get my grubby hands on. You already know my favourites on the Astonishing team (Beast, Cyclops, Emma). I love Northstar. I’ve got a lot of time for Psylocke and Husk. I think both Maggott and Marrow can be very cool when they’re written right. On the Uncanny side of things, I’ve always liked both Colossus and Nightcrawler. Marvel Girl is a great character and interacts very interestingly with Cable. X23 is way cool, and I love Mercury too. Hmm. It’s looking like a pretty big team, and all the other writers in the X-verse would throw me off a tall building. Still, it’d probably be worth it.

Jose - I’d wear the X-Treme badge with pride.

Christian - I think you should hedge your bets. You know, buy the gun but hold off on the ammunition. What I’m promising are some cool Gambit beats - and a new chapter in his story, rather than him appearing in someone else’s.

othergrunty - I have to say it seems unlikely at this stage that either Maggott or Cecilia will play a part in the crossover. It’s not impossible, but they’re not part of the plan. Sorry. I wish I had a better answer to give you.

soulkiller - I can promise you I’m not going to give Rogue a sass-ectomy.

The issue in question will be the fifth chapter of the crossover event. It’s kind of complicated to explain exactly where that will fall, but you’ll know it when you see it. Of course by then you’ll be on the floor, covered in coffee and yelping, so that’s not a lot of help, is it? Umm - - I’ll warn you nearer the time. Scout’s honour.

Mike - Beak??? Gaaaaaaaah!

Lotus - yeah, the AXM cast will be right in there at the epicentre.

Ryan - ‘X’ is beyond cool. But then everyone else would want their own letters too…

Hot means hot. The book will have a mean temperature of 120 celsius, and you’ll have to read it with asbestos gloves.

And yeah, everyone who leaves the team will do so for a reason. There’s an inexorable (in some cases grim) logic to everything that happens. Thanks for that comment about the voices - it’s one of my main aims, so I’m glad you think I’ve got them.

Mitch - I know what you mean. It *is* kind of a bittersweet thing. I chose this case because I love them all as characters, and I’m always going to kvetch about the things I didn’t get a chance to do with them. But it all works. It all fits together really well. And I love the new team just as much. I hope you will too.

Nadav - yeah, you *would* really need to buy all four books for those three months to get the full flavour of the story. There’ll be recaps to bridge the gaps if you don’t get the other books, but I think it might be a choppy experience all the same.

Luis - the actual crossover is going to run from November to January. The stories that feed into it start around June.

The Uncanny team will be back from Shi’ar space.

Bishop *will* be in the crossover, and yeah, the rosters will see some mixing and matching.

Craig - let’s see the colour of your money, pal. It had better not have ducks on it.

blink - I don’t think we’ll be hitting any of those Excalibur beats.

Nicholas - okay. Let’s just say that I’m going to carry on banging the “family relationships” drum…

Mike C - you bet!!!!

ProfeZZor - I think you make a really compelling case. There are a lot of personalities in the new X-Men team who’ve more than shown their worth now. And several who I’d really enjoy writing if I got the chance (see above). I take your point, Mike, that things progressed a lot more slowly in the New Mutants era - but these are dark days, and the X-children have had to grow up fast. The question isn’t whether they’re ready for the majors, it’s more whether there’s any way of keeping them in the classroom if they decide they’d rather be some place else…

Kilroy - thanks for the vote of confidence, man. I’d love to do it.

Askani - I can promise you that some of your wishes will be granted. And I agree 100% about the Cable/Rachel interaction (again, see above).

[ProfeZZor X]

Looks like Mike is open to the idea of adding in New X-Men characters:

"ProfeZZor - I think you make a really compelling case. There are a lot of personalities in the new X-Men team who’ve more than shown their worth now. And several who I’d really enjoy writing if I got the chance (see above). I take your point, Mike, that things progressed a lot more slowly in the New Mutants era - but these are dark days, and the X-children have had to grow up fast. The question isn’t whether they’re ready for the majors, it’s more whether there’s any way of keeping them in the classroom if they decide they’d rather be some place else…

Comment by Mike Carey — January 22, 2007 @ 4:26 pm"

[Beast]

He's open to the idea, but I doubt seriously that it will happen. For one, they're cast members in New X-Men. I doubt seriously that they're going to start taking cast members from that book and sticking them in others. It's not like the other books where cast members can be changed and swapped easily. They're adult characters, it doesn't matter what team they're on. But it's not like you can trade an adult character for one of the X-Kids.

[ProfeZZor X]

He's open to the idea, but I doubt seriously that it will happen. For one, they're cast members in New X-Men. I doubt seriously that they're going to start taking cast members from that book and sticking them in others. It's not like the other books where cast members can be changed and swapped easily. They're adult characters, it doesn't matter what team they're on. But it's not like you can trade an adult character for one of the X-Kids.


No, I wouldn't see it that way. I was suggesting that Mike "possibly" use some of the other unused characters from either the New X-Men book,or another source that features/cameos younger mutants. After all, why should Cannonball be the only one to become an X-men in a adjectiveless book.

Sure there are other students that have graduated, but very far and few have made it to the "big league" teams.

[CMBMOOL]

Man, I got a bad feeling that Marvel is going to make a lot of Rogue fans P.O. over this crossover event based on her current condiction. :(

[claimtosubclaim]

Have some hope. Chances are she'll still be written well since she's Mike Carey's pet character of sorts.

[Mariah]

Mike should use Karma. She has telepathy of a sort. Or just keep Lady M and develop her telepathy a bit more.

[xakko]

On the Uncanny side of things, I’ve always liked both Colossus and Nightcrawler.
a slip, or a hint at cast changes?

[soulkiller]

I kinda hope that he keeps Lady M and Mystique in the new line-up, although I don't know why it has to change so quickly. I rather like the current team, they all seem to balance nicely...

Well, as long as Rogue remains, I'm okay. I'll be crushed if she doesn't. MC has really made her character shine again, I'd hate to see soemone else get her and ruin all this fun I've been having reading and anticipating what he's doing with her.

[jen]

Well, as long as Rogue remains, I'm okay. I'll be crushed if she doesn't. MC has really made her character shine again, I'd hate to see soemone else get her and ruin all this fun I've been having reading and anticipating what he's doing with her.

I don't think there is anything to worry about. :D I am sure Rogue will stay put. I can only see an editorial mandate that forces our gal off of Carey's roster and I don't think anyone else wants to write Rogue in the X-Office. ;)

BTW, can you believe there is a thread over at the Marvel boards about how bad Rogue's character is under Mike Carey????? It's all the Gambit fans making a stink that Rogue is horribly characterized by MC in the current X-Men run and they are asking folks to write to marvel to tell them to fix it. I wanna laugh, but it's kinda sad... :p

[Beast]

Yeah, that is really sad. Best thing that ever happened was splitting that couple up.

[claimtosubclaim]

It will be sad if Iceman, Cannonball or Lady M is replaced by Gambit. I've got no qualms about having Angel, Husk, Beast, Psylocke or Northstar on the team; but Gambit being the replacement makes me flash back to whiny Rogue of the late 90's and early 00's.

[Faded]

It's really only one or two people asking for that. Everyone else seems to realize how insane it would be for responsible adults to drag these kids into the field on a regular basis. And nah, in a few more years most of the New X-Men kids will probably be dead. The current writing team churns through them fast enough. ;)

They don't seem to be any safer at the mansion. Besides, isn't Surge's team now officially X-Men? These guys have survived so far--and I thought that was one of the purposes for streamlining the cast: these guys are special.

[d newton]

That's a pretty weak sauce argument to justify some bad characterization.
I'd love to hear your explaination on why.

Sure. Didn't require his pet character and all the focus on the 198 or SSO.
It would have been a rather boring mini with Bishop vs the remaining members of the O5, Domino & Shatterstar, wouldn't it? :rolleyes:

[Zombienorthstar]

They don't seem to be any safer at the mansion. Besides, isn't Surge's team now officially X-Men? These guys have survived so far--and I thought that was one of the purposes for streamlining the cast: these guys are special.

Yep i think so, they're a proper squad now. Surge being allowed to choose her own team.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Cory - there are a *lot* of mutants I’d like to get my grubby hands on. You already know my favourites on the Astonishing team (Beast, Cyclops, Emma). I love Northstar. I’ve got a lot of time for Psylocke and Husk. I think both Maggott and Marrow can be very cool when they’re written right. On the Uncanny side of things, I’ve always liked both Colossus and Nightcrawler. Marvel Girl is a great character and interacts very interestingly with Cable. X23 is way cool, and I love Mercury too. Hmm. It’s looking like a pretty big team, and all the other writers in the X-verse would throw me off a tall building. Still, it’d probably be worth it.

Please oh please oh please get Psylocke! And northstar And PSYLOCKE! Im going to go to his website and offer him 100 bucks to get her

[claimtosubclaim]

I'd love to hear your explaination on why.


It would have been a rather boring mini with Bishop vs the remaining members of the O5, Domino & Shatterstar, wouldn't it? :rolleyes:

Actually, it would have been more interesting to see Bishop vs. the O5. If this was the case, we could have actually heard each team member voice their opinion on the Civil War, and there could have been some nice character beats between them. Last I checked, not too many X-fans actually care about the 198.

Please oh please oh please get Psylocke! And northstar And PSYLOCKE! Im going to go to his website and offer him 100 bucks to get her

Yeah, those two should def get on the team. Maybe if you actually do pay him the money, he'll pull some strings, haha.
I know no one brought this up, but I think Iceman and Psylocke would make a better couple than Iceman and Northstar, in theory :)

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Iceman only acts immature. Psylocke tends to like boys who are immature

She's scandalous

[Zombienorthstar]

Although i love most of Carey's roster...strangely i won't be too bothered if it changes...i have confidence in Mike's abbility to make me love pretty much any character.

[venuscameback]

I had the pleasure of interviewing Mike Carey again last night & all being well the feature should go live at livewire on Wednesday evening BST. He had some exciting things to say about Northstar, Mystique, Cannonball and Iceman (and I'm wondering how much of what he said about Iceman I can get away with publishing), and even mentioned a X-related ret-con that he wants to see undone and which he could well deal with himself. I'm working up the transcript right now, so watch this space

[Zombienorthstar]

Iceman (and I'm wondering how much of what he said about Iceman I can get away with publishing)

AHHHHHHHHH!!!! I love news.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Please oh please oh please get Psylocke! And northstar And PSYLOCKE! Im going to go to his website and offer him 100 bucks to get her

Psylocke will be tied up, between eXiles and the inevitable new Excalibur/eXiles crossover, for at least another year. Probably longer.

Gambit's a villain now. I think he'll be staying that way for a good long while.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Not if you cancel both Exiles and Excalibur


I think its would be well worth that price to get Psylocke in x-men :D

[proteus]

Psylocke will be tied up, between eXiles and the inevitable new Excalibur/eXiles crossover, for at least another year. Probably longer.

Gambit's a villain now. I think he'll be staying that way for a good long while.



There's going to be a New Excalibur/Exiles crossover soon?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

There's going to be a New Excalibur/Exiles crossover soon?

It was in discussion before Chris Claremont's cardiac problem forced him to take six months off. Seeing as he's only now starting on eXiles and returning to New Excalibur it's not on the cards yet. Both books are being kept seperate from the rest of the X-Titles to allow them to find their feet.

It probably won't now happen in 2007, but looks pretty likely to still happem, when you think of the two casts, the relationships bnetween both team's members and the fact that Meggan was lost into the wash of Universes in House of M. Expect Betsy to be bumping into her sister-in-law later on in the year...:D

[claimtosubclaim]

I had the pleasure of interviewing Mike Carey again last night & all being well the feature should go live at livewire on Wednesday evening BST. He had some exciting things to say about Northstar, Mystique, Cannonball and Iceman (and I'm wondering how much of what he said about Iceman I can get away with publishing), and even mentioned a X-related ret-con that he wants to see undone and which he could well deal with himself. I'm working up the transcript right now, so watch this space

Publish it all! I'd like to be re-assured that Iceman will be receiving character developments aside from relations with his close friend's 81 year old shapeshifting mama.

[proteus]

It was in discussion before Chris Claremont's cardiac problem forced him to take six months off. Seeing as he's only now starting on eXiles and returning to New Excalibur it's not on the cards yet. Both books are being kept seperate from the rest of the X-Titles to allow them to find their feet.

It probably won't now happen in 2007, but looks pretty likely to still happem, when you think of the two casts, the relationships bnetween both team's members and the fact that Meggan was lost into the wash of Universes in House of M. Expect Betsy to be bumping into her sister-in-law later on in the year...:D



Oh, ok. Thanks a lot for the info!

[Omega Alpha]

Psylocke will be tied up, between eXiles and the inevitable new Excalibur/eXiles crossover, for at least another year. Probably longer.
.

Or until a writer which sells a lot asks for her, which i hope is soon, or Claremont is fired from one or both titles, or they are cancelled, which i wouldn't mind either.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Or until a writer which sells a lot asks for her, which i hope is soon, or Claremont is fired from one or both titles, or they are cancelled, which i wouldn't mind either.

Realistically, though, that is still very unlikely to happen during 2007. New Excalibur is already guarenteed up to #24.

[Omega Alpha]

Realistically, though, that is still very unlikely to happen during 2007. New Excalibur is already guarenteed up to #24.

#24 will be released in which month? And, in anyway, she still can be taken away from CC, Claremont get no respect anymore from Marvel, and i can't blame him, considering the lack of quality of his most recent work.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

#24 will be released in which month? And, in anyway, she still can be taken away from CC, Claremont get no respect anymore from Marvel, and i can't blame him, considering the lack of quality of his most recent work.

We're talking September. The thing is that Psylocke is the centre-piece to Claremonts entire run on eXiles. They'll damage the book by removing her. And when you consider her last period of character development in Uncanny was cut short by Claremont's leaving I think it would be unlikely. Sure, not impossible, but a really BAD idea for the character.

With Brian in New Excalibur and Betsy in eXiles both books strike a good balance, right now. Mucking that up would be daft.

Plus I don't see there being any real room for her elsewhere in the X-Titles this year. That's why she left Uncanny for home in the first place.

[claimtosubclaim]

I thought she left Uncanny for England because Cyclops sent her and a group of Excalibur-affiliated X-Men to check up on Captain Britain, and she ended up being transported to the Exiles while fighting Shadow King? I mean...at least that's how it's explained in New Excalibur #1.

Anyway, when Sabretooth leaves Rogue's team, Betsy will fit right in w/ Carey's book. Also, she was his first choice for the team's telekinetic member, Cable being the second. And seeing how Cable will be at the forefront of the X-universe in the next half year, I can only imagine what Carey could've done with Betsy.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

We're talking September. The thing is that Psylocke is the centre-piece to Claremonts entire run on eXiles. They'll damage the book by removing her.

That didnt stop them from giving Beast to Morrison

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I thought she left Uncanny for England because Cyclops sent her and a group of Excalibur-affiliated X-Men to check up on Captain Britain, and she ended up being transported to the Exiles while fighting Shadow King? I mean...at least that's how it's explained in New Excalibur #1.

She kinda did. She went with Kurt and the others after M-Day, for New Excalibur #1-3. And then she returned with the team for the First Fallen story, before leaving Uncanny after that issue.

She then visited her brother again in New Excalibur #8, but disappeared at the end of that issue - to re-appear in the crystal palace in eXiles this month.

That didnt stop them from giving Beast to Morrison

Nope. It didn't. But Carey was told he couldn't have Psylocke for his run because Claremont had her. He's only just started that run NOW. It would make no sense to shift her so early, when she is central to the plot.

[ProfeZZor X]

Iceman (and I'm wondering how much of what he said about Iceman I can get away with publishing)

*Awaiting patiently, twiddling thumbs together.*

Can you at least drop some kind of hint?

[Omega Alpha]

We're talking September. The thing is that Psylocke is the centre-piece to Claremonts entire run on eXiles. They'll damage the book by removing her. And when you consider her last period of character development in Uncanny was cut short by Claremont's leaving I think it would be unlikely. Sure, not impossible, but a really BAD idea for the character.

A much worse idea is for her to be in Exiles in the first place. She needs to be taken out of there immediately. And Claremont is not looking for character development, but to finish his old plotlines that should have been closed years ago or never been brought up in the first place. Everything that happens to her in this book will just be ignored by other writers, and i can't see what she could possibly gain for being there.


Plus I don't see there being any real room for her elsewhere in the X-Titles this year. That's why she left Uncanny for home in the first place.

Yes, there is room for her. Carey wanted to use her in X-men, and she would fit very well there.

[scottv]

I just dropped X-Men last month from my pulls and I don't get any of the others anymore either. I think it sounds cool but I won't be buying.

[claimtosubclaim]

What was the point of that post? It's the equivalent of showing someone that you collected bottle full of of air.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

I just dropped X-Men last month from my pulls and I don't get any of the others anymore either. I think it sounds cool but I won't be buying.

You should update your sig then :D

[Beast]

Or until a writer which sells a lot asks for her, which i hope is soon, or Claremont is fired from one or both titles, or they are cancelled, which i wouldn't mind either.
He already asked for her when he started his run. He was told no.

[Brett P]

Looks like Mike is open to the idea of adding in New X-Men characters:

"ProfeZZor - I think you make a really compelling case. There are a lot of personalities in the new X-Men team who’ve more than shown their worth now. And several who I’d really enjoy writing if I got the chance (see above). I take your point, Mike, that things progressed a lot more slowly in the New Mutants era - but these are dark days, and the X-children have had to grow up fast. The question isn’t whether they’re ready for the majors, it’s more whether there’s any way of keeping them in the classroom if they decide they’d rather be some place else…

Comment by Mike Carey — January 22, 2007 @ 4:26 pm"

I'd be sad to see any of them plucked from the New X-Men squad and put on an adult one. They still need training, and they vibe off each other so well. The team has only just really come together. When C&C said we'd be getting new team members, I certainly didn't think it'd mean that exisiting ones were being shipped to other titles. I sure hope that's not the case...I guess the most likely ones would be Hellion, Surge, X-23 and maybe Mercury. But no, C&C are doing great things with these characters and I hope to see them as a squad representing the younger mutants for a long time to come...

He's open to the idea, but I doubt seriously that it will happen. For one, they're cast members in New X-Men. I doubt seriously that they're going to start taking cast members from that book and sticking them in others. It's not like the other books where cast members can be changed and swapped easily. They're adult characters, it doesn't matter what team they're on. But it's not like you can trade an adult character for one of the X-Kids.

Hopefully you're right.


Not if you cancel both Exiles and Excalibur


I can do without Excalibur, but Exiles still has so much potential.


It's definately not a summer crossover then. There was us assuming September and it's not starting until NOVEMBER!

[jarrod]

That didnt stop them from giving Beast to Morrison
No but it has (already) kept Psylocke from Carey once... while I'd love to see Betts on this team, it's not looking likely.


Personally, I'm hoping for some trades with Uncanny (Kurt+Ray), but I'm not holding my breath.

[ProfeZZor X]

I say we come up with our own X-Titles for the fun of it:

X- Pedential X-Men
X- Posed X-Men
X- Pose' X-men
X-Cited X-Men
X- Cuse Me? X-men
X- Creting X-Men

...And so on, and so on. Hey, I was bored. :rolleyes:

[Faded]

I don't think there is anything to worry about. :D I am sure Rogue will stay put. I can only see an editorial mandate that forces our gal off of Carey's roster and I don't think anyone else wants to write Rogue in the X-Office. ;)

BTW, can you believe there is a thread over at the Marvel boards about how bad Rogue's character is under Mike Carey????? It's all the Gambit fans making a stink that Rogue is horribly characterized by MC in the current X-Men run and they are asking folks to write to marvel to tell them to fix it. I wanna laugh, but it's kinda sad... :p

No way...

I hope the character didn't think he'd get will be Northstar. I know he wants to use her, but I'm a little over Psylocke at this point.

[ProfeZZor X]

I'd be sad to see any of them plucked from the New X-Men squad and put on an adult one. They still need training, and they vibe off each other so well. The team has only just really come together. When C&C said we'd be getting new team members, I certainly didn't think it'd mean that exisiting ones were being shipped to other titles. I sure hope that's not the case...I guess the most likely ones would be Hellion, Surge, X-23 and maybe Mercury. But no, C&C are doing great things with these characters and I hope to see them as a squad representing the younger mutants for a long time to come...

Carey said it himself: These kids are growing up a lot faster than the original five, and any of the other teams before them. Times are rougher, so they've had to grow up a lot faster than other characters of the same age range. I really wish he would use some of them. Not necessarily all of them, but some of the ones that aren't really doing anything other than being background characters or C-List characters.

And you should know that Marvel is not about to allow you to get into all comfortable and cozy with one group of characters. They always have to mix things up so other characters will grow on you. Much like Cannonball did with me, while faithfully following Iceman. Sadly, as soon as I get to know him a little, Marvel does it again, and rotates him into another team... Whether or not they'll be on the same team again, who knows... But whoever Iceman is with on his next team, I'm sure I'll get to know those characters a little more too.

[Omega Alpha]

He already asked for her when he started his run. He was told no.

Carey doesn't sell a lot. If a big name asked, i'm sure he would have got her, like Morrison got Beast and Whedon had Kitty.

[claimtosubclaim]

Carey said it himself: These kids are growing up a lot faster than the original five, and any of the other teams before them. Times are rougher, so they've had to grow up a lot faster than other characters of the same age range. I really wish he would use some of them. Not necessarily all of them, but some of the ones that aren't really doing anything other than being background characters or C-List characters.

And you should know that Marvel is not about to allow you to get into all comfortable and cozy with one group of characters. They always have to mix things up so other characters will grow on you. Much like Cannonball did with me, while faithfully following Iceman. Sadly, as soon as I get to know him a little, Marvel does it again, and rotates him into another team... Whether or not they'll be on the same team again, who knows... But whoever Iceman is with on his next team, I'm sure I'll get to know those characters a little more too.

Brubaker's Iceman might be a bore. His team in Uncanny has been limited to mostly expository dialogue. I know people are praising his work, but I honestly haven't see him nail down any of the personalities very well aside from Havok and the Prof. The character voices he found for Daredevil and Captain America are much richer than this.

[We R. Venom]

Whatever this X-men crossover thing is. I hope itll be really good. I wonder if im gonna have to get most of the x-titles to get what is going on? Hopefully not,(only due to money) but with this and WWH, and another spider story, its gonna be a wild summer. I cant stand the thought of Iceman leaving Mike Carey's writing. I dont know what i will do if he does. Hopefully he will keep him. i dont care who is on the team as long as Iceman stays. hopefully i wont have to buy mike carey's book and whatever book iceman is in or isnt afterwards. this will be a stressfull number of months for me.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

If exiles exists beyond its 100th issue i'd be surprised. I dont want Psylocke being stuck in limbo when that happens. Carey needs to spare her now!

[Beast]

If exiles exists beyond its 100th issue i'd be surprised. I dont want Psylocke being stuck in limbo when that happens. Carey needs to spare her now!
People have been saying that for the last few years. Exiles sells well enough to not be cancelled.

[creaky]

Brubaker's Iceman might be a bore. His team in Uncanny has been limited to mostly expository dialogue. I know people are praising his work, but I honestly haven't see him nail down any of the personalities very well aside from Havok and the Prof. The character voices he found for Daredevil and Captain America are much richer than this.

I agree.*sighs* :(

[d newton]

Last I checked, not too many X-fans actually care about the 198.

It would be pretty silly of Marvel to use X Characters in a mini and not follow up on what they're doing, wouldn't it? ;)

[The Sword Is Drawn]

If exiles exists beyond its 100th issue i'd be surprised. I dont want Psylocke being stuck in limbo when that happens. Carey needs to spare her now!

That's what everybody's been saying since, like, #20. Nothing will kill this book. Not a chance in hell. It's unique. That's why it survives.

Psylocke doubtless wont be there forever, but when she does finally come home I'd much prefer she finally CAME HOME. She's the Excalibur member who always should have been.

Sure if a real big name writer came to Marvel and said 'Right! I will do you a run, but Psylocke's the central character behind it'. Then sure they might do that. But right now that's exactly what Claremont pitched for his taking over eXiles. That's not changing in 2007. That's just being realistic.

[Omega Alpha]

That's what everybody's been saying since, like, #20. Nothing will kill this book. Not a chance in hell. It's unique. That's why it survives.

Psylocke doubtless wont be there forever, but when she does finally come home I'd much prefer she finally CAME HOME. She's the Excalibur member who always should have been.

Sure if a real big name writer came to Marvel and said 'Right! I will do you a run, but Psylocke's the central character behind it'. Then sure they might do that. But right now that's exactly what Claremont pitched for his taking over eXiles. That's not changing in 2007. That's just being realistic.

Psylocke needs to be taken away from Claremont's hands as soon as possible. I don't care if what it takes it's a big name writer, he's fired, the book is cancelled, whatever. He's with her for almost 7 years now, and what he did was to make her look even more as a whore as she did in the whole Cyclops-Kwannon thing (in which she at least had a cheap excuse), killed her off for the stupidest reason possible and being the only person on Earth which thought Marvel would let him do what he wanted, and messed with her powers and with her history all over again more than once in a completely unecessary way, and now she's in a book which means Limbo for all that matters. Really, at this point i would be happy with Austen writing her.

[Beast]

Psylocke needs to be taken away from Claremont's hands as soon as possible. I don't care if what it takes it's a big name writer, he's fired, the book is cancelled, whatever. He's with her for almost 7 years now, and what he did was to make her look even more as a whore as she did in the whole Cyclops-Kwannon thing (in which she at least had a cheap excuse), killed her off for the stupidest reason possible and being the only person on Earth which thought Marvel would let him do what he wanted, and messed with her powers and with her history all over again more than once in a completely unecessary way, and now she's in a book which means Limbo for all that matters. Really, at this point i would be happy with Austen writing her.
You seem to be laboring under a great deal of misconceptions. For one, It was Marvel that put Psylocke into his hands. They've said that he was allowed to keep her because of all the work he put into bringing her back before he took sick. And because he wasn't done telling that story at the time. And no, he has not had her for almost 7 years now. And how exactly is he making her look like a whore? Seriously, do you listen to yourself? And no, she was killed off because Marvel Approved bringing her back in her original body as Bogan's Pet Telepath. Then Marvel flip-flopped on that, due to Grant Morrison and the "Dead Is Dead" rule that was imposed to keep Magneto as Xorn a secret. As for messing with her powers, that was part of a company wide storyline where all the books jumped forward 6 months, and then explained the changes afterwards. All was meant to be explained, but before that could happen... Morrison came in and the team books changed again. And how does Exiles mean limbo? It may be a low selling book but it is a consistant selling book. One where the inclusion of a popular character like Psylocke could certainly help sales. Which is what Marvel is doing it for.

[claimtosubclaim]

It would be pretty silly of Marvel to use X Characters in a mini and not follow up on what they're doing, wouldn't it? ;)

You mean like how they haven't followed up on Marrow after Generation M, or Cecilia Reyes after Weapon X? :)

The words 'Civil War: X-Men' and the inclusion of the 05 were used as a selling point. I don't see why 'The 198' didn't just go on for 5 more issues, and then have a 'Civil War: X-Men' miniseries that actually pertained to the Civil War or it's main team. Cyclops never even explained why it was the original members who had to go out and look for the 198.

[Omega Alpha]

You seem to be laboring under a great deal of misconceptions. For one, It was Marvel that put Psylocke into his hands. They've said that he was allowed to keep her because of all the work he put into bringing her back before he took sick. And because he wasn't done telling that story at the time.

I don't care who put her under Claremont's control, but she shouldn't be written for him anymore. And, after all this time, he should have been closer to finish his story with her than he is now, instead of throwing more complications any time. And, yes, i do realize that's his style, years to finish the plots, but i already discussed in other topics that if he can't be sure anymore if he'll stay in the book for 16 years, like he did back then, or that his plots won't be cut short by editorial, which happened less often back then, he should just adapt his style in a way that it doesn't happen that often anymore, focus more on characters, have less long running subplots, explain more things from the beginning instead of 30 issue later, etc.



And no, he has not had her for almost 7 years now.

Only him wrote her for all this time, and did not do a great job.


And how exactly is he making her look like a whore?

Throwing herself at Thunderbird while in a stable relationship, in a similar way she did with Scott, and she did look like a whore back then, but at least she had an excuse.


Seriously, do you listen to yourself?

I do, all the time. You should do it more often, and you'll see how wonderfully things will turn out.:p


And no, she was killed off because Marvel Approved bringing her back in her original body as Bogan's Pet Telepath.

To be honest, i don't believe Quesada or Jenas would let, after more than 10 years of exposure of X-books and in other medias, she coming back to a body in which she wasn't that much popular, has no iconic characteristic, and most fans would not recognize. And even if they did, the whole Bogan's Pet Telepath, bring her back to original body, etc, was a bad idea.


As for messing with her powers, that was part of a company wide storyline where all the books jumped forward 6 months, and then explained the changes afterwards. All was meant to be explained, but before that could happen... Morrison came in and the team books changed again.

None of it changes the "power swap" was dumb, and people complain about secondary mutations..

And it was also a bad idea to make all this drastic changes without explaining the basics quickly. I mean, i'm fine with "Cable is an X-man now, Marrow is out" or "Rogue is leading a team", but people changing powers all the sudden with no decent explanation or an otherwise happy and healthy relationship collapsing and Psylocke throwing herself at Thunderbird without any explanation why (because CC created the character, but did not bothered to give him any personality or any reason why Psylocke was interested in him, why he was after her, etc).



And how does Exiles mean limbo? It may be a low selling book but it is a consistant selling book. One where the inclusion of a popular character like Psylocke could certainly help sales. Which is what Marvel is doing it for.

Not only is one of the worse selling titles around, she won't be in the 616 reality, won't have any impact in the X-books, the X-men, it's characters, and it's storylines, her existance will be ignored partially or completely, nothing that she does will have consequence in the 616 reality, and i strongly doubt that anything that happens with her in Exiles will be followed up in the moment Claremont doesn't have a hold on her anymore.

[claimtosubclaim]

In all respects, Claremont is her creator. I think the lot of us just want to see her written by someone else, someone who is already being predicted as the best X-writer since Morrison, someone who is capable of doing her justice. Gotta share your toys.

[Omega Alpha]

In all respects, Claremont is her creator. I think the lot of us just want to see her written by someone else, someone who is already being predicted as the best X-writer since Morrison, someone who is capable of doing her justice. Gotta share your toys.

Being the creator of a character doesn't mean you're the best writer of it, i wouldn't call Stan Lee the best Magneto writer ever. Or even if they were great writers of the character, or even the best in the past, doesn't mean they are able to write them better than anyone else today, or even write them well today. Frank Miller wrote a great Daredevil in 1981, but it doesn't mean he would be able to write a great Daredevil today.


And again, my problem is not having Psylocke in Exiles, but having 616 Psylocke in Exiles. He can have any Psylocke he wants, even one exactly like the 616, like Morph is almost a copy of AoA's, but is not him. Carey can have only one, and that's the Psylocke Claremont picked.

[claimtosubclaim]

Being the creator of a character doesn't mean you're the best writer of it, i wouldn't call Stan Lee the best Magneto writer ever. Or even if they were great writers of the character, or even the best in the past, doesn't mean they are able to write them better than anyone else today, or even write them well today. Frank Miller wrote a great Daredevil in 1981, but it doesn't mean he would be able to write a great Daredevil today.


And again, my problem is not having Psylocke in Exiles, but having 616 Psylocke in Exiles. He can have any Psylocke he wants, even one exactly like the 616, like Morph is almost a copy of AoA's, but is not him. Carey can have only one, and that's the Psylocke Claremont picked.

I don't understand why you just argued against me. I was on your side. Aside from the first sentence and last sentence, I was referring to Carey.

[AceOfSpades]

You mean like how they haven't followed up on Marrow after Generation M, or Cecilia Reyes after Weapon X? :)


I miss Cecelia so much.. I want my Puerto Rican honey back with me:p

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Psylocke was created by Claremont in 1976. He brought her over to the X-Books, from Captain Britain weekly. He gave her the name 'Psylocke'. He even had Spiral turn her into an Asian Ninja.

There is no other writer with a better understanding of her character, history or past. The 90s were not kind to Psylocke - but I have a feeling this is the period in which you largely read the character. Claremont writes her with a proper overview of the character, still writing here as her ACTUAL personality would fit - British born, British accented, often flirtatious, but not really good at holding down any relationship.

He also writes her in contexts which acknowledge her family, her twin brother, and her greater role with the Marvel Universe. No other writer does this. They just write her as a B-List X-Man. For god's sake! She isn't even a proper mutant - but that's a story Marvel don't like mentioning these days...

Just because you don't seem to like 80% of the character does not mean you should force her into another context which only shows the bits you like. The context Claremont has been writing her in is the best character work she's had in a decade. Why take her away from that, and back to ignoring the majority of her character, origin and history. That's just shite writing.

[claimtosubclaim]

Cause Carey is extremely good with keeping and addressing the personality and continuity of the characters he uses. I've got no beef with Claremont, but he's written her for long enough. He's sort of like a father who doesn't want to let his daughter out of the house because she was mistreated by other men/other writers. Bad analogy, but whatever. Just because a crapload of other writers couldn't do justice to her doesn't mean only Claremont can.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Throwing herself at Thunderbird while in a stable relationship, in a similar way she did with Scott, and she did look like a whore back then, but at least she had an excuse.


Although i would like Carey to write Psylocke i take issue with this statement. She didnt throw herself at him, she was friends with him and, sure there was lite flirtation there, but she didnt try jumping his bones while in a relationship. Angel had some crazy psycho jealousy rage, even to the point of almost killing the two when he ran the car they were in off the road. He was insecure and broke the relationship up. Regardless of whether or not the Angel Psylocke pairing was a good one, and it most certainly was not (ive called it the worst x-relationship evah), she wasnt trying to leave or anything.

If flirting around while in a relationship makes a woman a whore than every woman in the history of mankind is a whore

[venuscameback]

Publish it all! I'd like to be re-assured that Iceman will be receiving character developments aside from relations with his close friend's 81 year old shapeshifting mama.

Sometimes a writer says something that's a hot potato, and if they've said it during an informal, relaxed interview - and I have an excellent professional relationship with Mike that makes for really fun, chatty interviews - then I think it's only fair that they be given the opportunity to make sure what they said is exactly what they want to say. I wouldn't want to pretend specific things weren't said, but sometimes a little tweaking of wording is appropriate, for the sake of clarity, especially when dealing with hot topics.

*Awaiting patiently, twiddling thumbs together.*

Can you at least drop some kind of hint?

One word: psychosexual

[claimtosubclaim]

Sometimes a writer says something that's a hot potato, and if they've said it during an informal, relaxed interview - and I have an excellent professional relationship with Mike that makes for really fun, chatty interviews - then I think it's only fair that they be given the opportunity to make sure what they said is exactly what they want to say. I wouldn't want to pretend specific things weren't said, but sometimes a little tweaking of wording is appropriate, for the sake of clarity, especially when dealing with hot topics.

Point taken. Thanks for explaining the context. I thought at first it was a formal press interview.

One word: psychosexual

:eek: uh-oh. Are we talking psychosexual development or projection?

[Omega Alpha]

I don't understand why you just argued against me. I was on your side. Aside from the first sentence and last sentence, I was referring to Carey.

Oh, i wasn't arguing with you, more like complementing what you said:)



There is no other writer with a better understanding of her character, history or past

He's not writing her well, so i don't think so. I don't believe there's no one who can write her better than he does now. It's irrelevant if he's written her greatly in the 80's or early 90's, the past is for museums and the History Channel.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

He's not writing her well, so i don't think so. I don't believe there's no one who can write her better than he does now. It's irrelevant if he's written her greatly in the 80's or early 90's, the past is for museums and the History Channel.

And I feel she's been written terribly in the latter part of the 90s - which cut out 80% of her character, personality and personal history.

If you want an Asian Ninja with none of her past and and character, who'll wear nothin but a thong and a pout then you'll have to pray Marvel resurrect Kwannon and switch her mind with Psylocke again.

[Omega Alpha]

And I feel she's been written terribly in the latter part of the 90s - which cut out 80% of her character, personality and personal history.

If you want an Asian Ninja with none of her past and and character, who'll wear nothin but a thong and a pout then you'll have to pray Marvel resurrect Kwannon and switch her mind with Psylocke again.

Yeah, she was written badly for most of the 90's, but what the hell does it have to do with what i'ms saying?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Yeah, she was written badly for most of the 90's, but what the hell does it have to do with what i'ms saying?

Well, so far large parts of argument seem to be based in having no interest in Betsy as an actual character, with personality and a past.

In eXiles she may be out of a 616 context, but she will be at least exploring facets of her character. Meeting and working with a Sabretoth she CAN trust not to kill her for one. How will she get on with that? And then there's going to be an alternate universe Slaymaster in a couple of issues time...

[claimtosubclaim]

Screw the argument, guys. The main point is that we just want to see what Mike Carey could do with her. We've already seen a lot of what Claremont could do. There's just the desire to see a particular scribe with a good reputation (who has a love for her already existing history and characterization) to write her. It's as simple as that. You can keep going into convoluted details and banal minutiae, but it's just gonna be a circular argument. There's nothing wrong with wanting to stand up for the guy who created and developed her, and there's nothing wrong with wanting to see someone new write her. Claremont already has 20+ years of X-books on his belt, which makes him 20+ years Carey's senior as an X-writer. The new guy should be given a chance to prove his worth with Psylocke.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I would certainly be interested in seein Carey write her. I think he'd do a good job. But my point is she's simply not on offer any time soon.

[claimtosubclaim]

Fair enough. We're just being idealistic.... or are we predicting the future? Fingers crossed.

[rwsmith]

Well, if Carey does get his hands on Psylocke, I hope he gives her her telepathy back. And I also hope he uses Gambit and Bishop. I always liked those two together. Keep Iceman and Rogue and throw in Northstar and I think you've got a heck of a team there (Rogue, Iceman, Psylocke, Bishop, Gambit and Northstar).

[jarrod]

I'd take issue with the notion that Psylocke's even being handled badly by Claremont. Really, I think she's been more the bright spot in his mostly dissapointing Uncanny run and he's gone a long way to restoring the character we remember even. Psylocke's unquestionably better off than she's been in more than a decade and frankly, she's one of the few things Claremont's "gotten right" since his return.

I'd love to see Carey's take on Betsy, but not because the character needs rescuing from a generally damaging writer or other such nonsense. That sort of discourse should be more reserved for Emma Frost or Kitty Pryde. ;)

[ProfeZZor X]

One word: psychosexual

Oh great... :rolleyes: Here we go :( .

..."Beast" is going to have a field day with this one.

[claimtosubclaim]

I should warn you ProfeZZor X, venuscameback said this on the livewire message board:

"ProfeZZor X is going to be so unhappy with Mike Carey's approach to his favourite character, Iceman. Me, I'm happy."

And judging by the comment about Beast having a field day, I'm gonna assume that Iceman might be a bit confused... Uh oh.

[Young Avenger]

Of the four books tie-in into the crossover I only buy X-Factor :(.

[Beast]

I should warn you ProfeZZor X, venuscameback said this on the livewire message board:

"ProfeZZor X is going to be so unhappy with Mike Carey's approach to his favourite character, Iceman. Me, I'm happy."

And judging by the comment about Beast having a field day, I'm gonna assume that Iceman might be a bit confused... Uh oh.
YAY! I love Mike Carey. I want to have his babies! :D

[Beast]

Oh great... :rolleyes: Here we go :( .

..."Beast" is going to have a field day with this one.
Mwahahahahaha!! Go Bobby, it's your birthday!! :D

[claimtosubclaim]

Bah. He's just trying to top Warren and Paige for Most Controversial Relationship in X-Men. He doesn't actually mean it. Bobby and Psylocke in 2008!

[ProfeZZor X]

I should warn you ProfeZZor X, venuscameback said this on the livewire message board:

"ProfeZZor X is going to be so unhappy with Mike Carey's approach to his favourite character, Iceman. Me, I'm happy."

And judging by the comment about Beast having a field day, I'm gonna assume that Iceman might be a bit confused... Uh oh.

Couldn't find the article... Link?

[claimtosubclaim]

http://livewireworld.net/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1769

3rd post to the bottom.

[Beast]

Bah. He's just trying to top Warren and Paige for Most Controversial Relationship in X-Men. He doesn't actually mean it. Bobby and Psylocke in 2008!
Only if it's the male Psylocke from that Alternate Reality from House of M. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/X-change.jpg

[claimtosubclaim]

Damn, that was a pretty good comeback... haha

Okay, I'm now rooting for a Bobby/Cecilia/Marrow relationship in 2008.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j19/ryandevisser/ceciliareyes33.jpg

I can only imagine from the dialogue that Sarah would be wearing the pants.

[blinkinrogue]

wow what issue/title is that from? i was just thinking of a reality where sexes/genders of x-characters were reversed and there you go.. who was the man caught and were there female versions of cyclops and company?

[ProfeZZor X]

http://livewireworld.net/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1769

3rd post to the bottom.

Looks like "venuscameback" is still proofing the transcript... So it might be a while.

"Beast" - contrary to belief, I'm not upset over Iceman's sexuality. I'm more interested in the possibilities of his powers. His sexuality is inconsequencial to my interest in him. Every writer or fan can express their opinions about him, but that doesn't change my mind on who he is as a character.

[Beast]

wow what issue/title is that from? i was just thinking of a reality where sexes/genders of x-characters were reversed and there you go.. who was the man caught and were there female versions of cyclops and company?
It was the House of M tie-in issues of Uncanny X-Men. The Gender-Swapped X-Men don't make a huge appearance. But here's hoping that Claremont drops into the reality for Exiles at some point. As that's one I've always wanted to see turn up. The man caught was Brian/Captain Captain. And no, none of the female versions appeared. Saturnyne just brought in the male versions to stop Brian.

[ProfeZZor X]

Psylocke-Man is most disturbing to loo