how powerful was legion

[bring back leigon]

i remember a thread re powerful psychics,
i wasn't registered so was unable to comment,
but i remember comments made about legion prior to aoa
that he was 10 times the psi his father is
plus the abilities he had when cured of his mpd
tk, pk, tp and also time travel
don't know if anybody else agreees but i always thought he had potential

he didn't rteally seem to be a villain but someone who thought he was doing the right thing a la magneto

considering some of the crap characrters around i think he should be revived

plus i would like to know how powerful u guys think he comes in at compared to others:)

[Mikl C]

Legion was cool. I think the 10 times thing is a bit of an exaggeration, probably because he could do more with his mental abilities than Charles.
As for the time travel thing, he was drawing on the power of the 'Kraan crystal, hence why everything went BLINKY CRYSTAL!

[DDM]

Before being written as a deus ex machina for the Age of Apocalypse, Legion possessed three separate mutant powers: telepathy, telekinesis, & pyrokinesis. Due to David Haller's premature emergence of his telepathy & his autism, he manifested multiple personalities to exist. David himself did not possess any mutant powers because each power was spread to each splintered personality. Jack Wayne possessed David's telekinesis. The suicide Palestinian bomber possessed David's telepathy. And Cindy possessed David's pyrokinesis. Cindy is only David's true split personality. Jack Wayne & the Palestestian bomber were telepathically "absorbed" into David's psyche.

David Haller, although an adult, has the mind of a child. Even if his personalities were ever intergrated, David Haller would more than likely not be able to wield his own mutant psi powers because he lacks the emotional depth of experience to wield his powers. Therefore, he will always be a multiple personality.

The irony is David Haller is Charles Xavier's son, yet Charles could not save David from his multiple personalities, his autism, & help David control himself.

David's psi powers are more than likely as powerful as Xavier himself; however, he lacks the control to use his formidable psi powers given his unstable MPS (multiple personality disorder) & his autism.

[fishtaco]

I've been really into Legion as of late. I just reread New Mutants #'s 26-28, 44, Uncanny X-Men #'s 254-255, 257-259, 269, 278. He's very interesting.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Some have criticized him as merely becoming a deuz ex machina for the Age of Apocalypse, but I hape to find that legion quest concept to be a mastersroke.

David gets himself together enough to believe he can finally sort out all of his father's problems by going back and removing Magneto from the equation - only to find it's his own father's selflessness which stops him from even getting that right.

There aren't that many story concepts which I outwardly praise from the 90s, but this was definitely one which I would.

[brundlefly]

David gets himself together enough to believe he can finally sort out all of his father's problems by going back and removing Magneto from the equation - only to find it's his own father's selflessness which stops him from even getting that right.

There aren't that many story concepts which I outwardly praise from the 90s, but this was definitely one which I would.

Agree with the concept/intent: the son who views himself as a disappointment trying to fix his dad's broken dreams is intriguing as a starting point for a storyarc. Problem was with the fact that, for all Legion's many psionic abilities, time travel is not one of them. That, along with the fact that Legion was a brain-dead husk at the end of the Shadow King saga, not "in a coma," was my problem with the execution of Legion Quest. I did really enjoy AOA, though, so I try to overlook Legion Quest's flaws since it laid the groundwork for that story.

[Scavenger]

Strong as a small pony!

[Syzygy]

I take the "ten times the psi of his father" remark to represent not Legion being ten times more powerful a telepath than Professor X, but having equivalent telepathic potential to Charles, plus other psionic abilities. In other words, Legion has Omega level telepathy, telekinesis, pyrokinesis, etc.

While the mental tramatized Legion only had three psionic abilities, after he "integrated" his own personality structure, his true potential as a psi emerged. He realized teleportation (e.g., Exodus), and time travel (e.g., Rachel, Cable).

Personally, I don't much miss Legion, although he would have made an interesting foe for Nate Grey.

Peace,
Syzygy

[YummiYami]

Bring Back them both and they can settle their cat fight with their head!!!!!Or... it would be nice to bring back dead chars back from the grave... but im not sure D:.

[Syzygy]

Bring Back them both and they can settle their cat fight with their head!!!!!Or... it would be nice to bring back dead chars back from the grave... but im not sure D:.

Ask Claremont to go for it in Exiles. The Exiles would be attempting to stop the two of them from destroying that entire earth as "collateral damage" from their fight.

Peace,
Syzygy

[neptune]

What are psionic powers exactly?

[Zombienorthstar]

I say have an alternate reality Legion in Exiles.

[Deus ex Chris]

What are psionic powers exactly?
It's a geekier way to say "psychic powers."

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I say have an alternate reality Legion in Exiles.

I'd second that.

[DMike]

They have one, his name is Proteus.

Well okay not really, but is there really that big a difference between "Xavier's evil, crazy, ultra-powerful secret son whom he can't help or cure" and "Moira's evil, crazy, ultra-powerful secret son whom she can't help or cure"?

No wonder they were the same character in the Ultimate universe. They're practically the same in 616.

[fishtaco]

They have one, his name is Proteus.

Well okay not really, but is there really that big a difference between "Xavier's evil, crazy, ultra-powerful secret son whom he can't help or cure" and "Moira's evil, crazy, ultra-powerful secret son whom she can't help or cure"?

No wonder they were the same character in the Ultimate universe. They're practically the same in 616.I was about to point this out. Oddly enough, Proteus was originally meant to be the son of Moira and Charles, not Moira and Joe. Byrne didn't like the idea, so Legion was introduced after he left.

[DDM]

I was about to point this out. Oddly enough, Proteus was originally meant to be the son of Moira and Charles, not Moira and Joe. Byrne didn't like the idea, so Legion was introduced after he left.

Proteus & Legion could not be more different. Kevin MacTaggert was evil; he killed because he could. Proteus would fit a seriel killer profile.

David Haller, on the other hand, is still a child, although he is an adult due to his autism & the multiple personalities within his own mind. The Jack Wayne personality is a villain, but Cindy & the Palestinian telepath are very much just misunderstood. Cindy seems to personify David's temper; therefore, in her own way, she can be lethal. But Cindy is still a child. She's just dangerous because she commands David's pyrokinesis.

[david r]

I always thought there were some really weird stories that could come out of Legion. What with all the personalities like Cindy, Jack Wayne, etc. (Just imagine if Grant Morrison had written him !)

I think Legion's creator, Chris Claremont, planned for Legion to become possessed by the Shadow King and perish in that final battle in Uncanny X-Men #300. Seems to me a lot more stuff could have been done with Legion.