Danger, Will Robinson! Danger!

[Uncle Nobs]

Some people have trouble understanding how the Danger Room works and how Whedon's "Dangerous" story (love it or hate it) makes sense.

Without providing references to too many specific examples, here is my understanding of it based on theory alone:




Originally, the Danger Room was a glorfied gym with Lego parts--just a modular system of moving parts that could be rearranged as needed. It was a system with hundreds of projectiles, obstacles, and other such challenges hidden in its walls, ready to be sprung. Its programming was not complicated, as it simply responded to commands from the user in the control room.

Could it kill you? Sure. You could always land on your head from 20 feet up. You could get always grazed by a projectile right along your jugular. There was no advanced A.I. to prevent Bobby from sending a stray icicle into Warrren's chest. There were risks, but it was all governed by common sense, agility, and the buddy system.




Eventually, training programs were developed. Same simple moving parts, missiles to dodge, hoops to jump through, trapdoors to leap over, lasers to avoid, flamethrowers to duck, piledrivers to not get squashed by, and giant sawblades to not-get-vivisected-by. The programming was simple. Just a series of obstacles set in a particular order to provide a particular challenge and encourage a particular behavior.

Could it kill you? Sure, but the risk was no more so than the last version. The flamethrowers, missiles, and lasers were set at very low intensity. Still, who's to say that Logan couldn't nick his claws on a spinning sawblade, ricocheting his claws into Storm's neck? Or that an obstacle wouldn't break Kitty's or Kurt's concentration, making them materialize inside a wall? The only "safety interlocks" to speak of were the low settings for the heat of the lasers, the force of the piledrivers, etc. Beyond that, there was just the user's common sense and an acknowledgement of risk from the participants.




Soon, we began to see robots and other such upgrades. This could be said to be the first use of A.I. in the Danger Room, but the programming was just about as simple: Test the participants using real danger, but not enough danger to kill anyone.

Could it kill you? Sure. The system still wasn't so advanced as to foresee every variable. The robots would stop before inflicting a lethal injury, but accidents were just as likely.




At some point, Shi'ar technology was introduced. But when? And how advanced was it?

The next upgrade saw virtual environments introduced. This must have been sometime around Uncanny #150-180 or so (I don't recall exactly). Was this the Shi'ar tech? I would suggest that it was essentially the same Earth technology-based componentry used in the room (go-go-Gadget-meat-cleaver!), but now masked by Shi'ar holographic projectors. A robot appears to be Magneto, a cannon appears to be a huge tank, etc. Of course, in a virtual environment, the clunky modular system had to have upgrades, too.

And here's where things get even more speculative, because how does this getting-progressively-more-sci-fi system work now, anyway? How do you run through a virtual environment at full speed without hitting the wall at the end of the room? How do you account for a Fastball Special when the room is only a few meters wide by a few meters high?

If the New Mutants are running at full speed in a gymnasium designed to look like Limbo, the floor had better instantly turn into a multi-directional treadmill before they splat against a wall. If Pete pulls a Fastball Special, there'd better be some sort of artificial telekinetic field to slow Wolvie's flight while still maintaining the arc he would have naturally flown given the force of Pete's throw. Then, the holographic projectors have to do the rest, making it appear to both Wolvie and the onlookers that he has flown a great distance.

I would argue that while this iteration used Shi'ar technology, it did not seem to use Shi'ar A.I.

Could it kill you? It's essentially the same as the last upgrade, but now with more responsive moving parts and a fancy light show. So yes.




The next significant upgrade I can recall was off-panel before Adjectiveless X-Men #1. At this point, hard-light holograms were introduced in place of the clunky modular system. The scripts began to go on and on about how flawless the virtual environments were, providing every sensory detail, able to replicate any imaginable threat or environment.

This, I would imagine, would be the introduction of the Shi'ar A.I. Given the fact that Forge made the upgrades and he works purely on instinct, he wouldn't have even known what he was doing. He creates technology the way some people solve Rubik's Cubes.

We must assume that when Xavier returned from Shi'ar space just prior to Adjectiveless #1, he scored some A.I. hardware without knowing the full details of how Shi'ar A.I. works. He must have then assigned Forge (and Hank?) to install it.

Shi'ar A.I.--in the hindsight provided by Astonishing--are actual living beings of energy, either created by or harnessed by (it's still unclear) advanced computer programs. By either creating or harnessing a living energy being, Shi'ar scientists are able to bypass all those pesky details of trying to teach a computer to learn from experience and use free thought to accomplish its objectives. "Danger", then, was a being trapped by its own programming, designed to create progressively more dangerous attacks on anyone within its range (its range, of course, being the confines of the Danger Room).

This programming alone would have posed an unacceptable risk to Danger Room participants, just as it would have lacked the flexibility needed to test participants of varying skill levels. So Forge (and Hank?) made the desired adjustments to the program that harnessed Danger, allowing them to adjust the efficiency with which the A.I. attacked its targets.

Of course, a program needs an objective. As an objective, "attack" is a bit vague. So really, the primary objective for the Shi'ar A.I. was "kill". The attacks are just the means to the end.

So here's the important part: Forge (and Hank?) needed to create a separate program that prevented the A.I. from accomplishing its primary objective. They couldn't reliably alter the Shi'ar programming because they no speakee Shee'yar. Forge could mmmmaybe have tooled around with it, but it was more reliable to create a separate system using technology with which he was more familiar. So he made a series of safety interlocks that kept the core operating system from ever fulfilling its primary objective. Keeping the safety interlocks separate, there was presumedly no risk of the A.I. finding a way around them.

Of course, this is all just me filling in the blanks. All Whedon said in Astonishing is that Number Five is alive and it's got a monkey on its back that won't let it kill, so it tricked everyone into killing the monkey. Presto-chango, you got yerself a killer.




So that's my take on it. It always seemed pretty straightforward to me.

As far as when Xavier caught on, that's another topic entirely. It could have happened as early as Adjectiveless #1 or as late as just prior to the "Dangerous" arc. Personally, I'd like to see a story that explores this, revealing that he only just recently sensed her sentience but that he was in a desperate position where he had to sacrifice her in order to save his students.

But like I said, that's a whole other can o' woims.

[Beast]

Actually the clue to when Danger gains sentience is when she refers to Kitty as Ariel.

[Uncle Nobs]

Actually the clue to when Danger gains sentience is when she refers to Kitty as Ariel.
Oh yeah. Forgot about that.

Maybe Xavier just sensed that she was an utter bitch. ;)

[Brian M.]

Like most women always complaining about something...sometimes you just want a good woman who will do what you ask and stay in her cage until told other wise. Danger just needed to not be so selfish...lil whore.

[Beast]

Oh yeah. Forgot about that.

Maybe Xavier just sensed that she was an utter bitch. ;)
Heh. Pretty much. I still don't like the story because it makes Xavier a complete ass. Plus Danger isn't that great of a villain and her motivation is pretty weak. But that unfortunatly seems to be what all recent/current writers want to do with him. Morrison, with Cassie Nova the Evil Twin. Whedon, with Danger the neglected and abused A.I. child. And Brubaker, with Vulcan and the whole Krakoa coverup. But I don't see why people have a problem with it from a the technology standpoint. Sentient A.I. isn't that new of an idea.

[The Fury]

Right, before I start ranting on about things, many of you know that I am one of the main complainers about this recent development in the Danger Room's history. I am annoyed by many things in the story. (One of them being that the X-men and fans refer to it as 'Danger'....Danger Room is it's name :p).


Originally, the Danger Room was a glorfied gym with Lego parts--just a modular system of moving parts that could be rearranged as needed.
All a good system. :)

Soon, we began to see robots and other such upgrades. This could be said to be the first use of A.I. in the Danger Room, but the programming was just about as simple: Test the participants using real danger, but not enough danger to kill anyone.
It's wouldn't be AI. It would just be programming. In computer games a computer controlled character in a fighting games just fights with automatic responses and has no AI.


This, I would imagine, would be the introduction of the Shi'ar A.I. Given the fact that Forge made the upgrades and he works purely on instinct, he wouldn't have even known what he was doing. He creates technology the way some people solve Rubik's Cubes.
So it's not Shi'Ar technology, it's Forge fiddling with it that created a sentient AI? :)


Shi'ar A.I.--in the hindsight provided by Astonishing--are actual living beings of energy, either created by or harnessed by (it's still unclear) advanced computer programs. By either creating or harnessing a living energy being, Shi'ar scientists are able to bypass all those pesky details of trying to teach a computer to learn from experience and use free thought to accomplish its objectives. "Danger", then, was a being trapped by its own programming, designed to create progressively more dangerous attacks on anyone within its range (its range, of course, being the confines of the Danger Room).
this is where my problems with the story come in. In Astonishing it was the first ever mention that MAYBE it was alive, not a necessary thing. Emma Frost said that maybe all Shi'Ar tech is alive yet people took it as fact.

So Forge (and Hank?) made the desired adjustments to the program that harnessed Danger, allowing them to adjust the efficiency with which the A.I. attacked its targets.
Before the change, it was Hank in Early Morrison's run that created the newest version of the Danger Room.

Of course, a program needs an objective. As an objective, "attack" is a bit vague. So really, the primary objective for the Shi'ar A.I. was "kill". The attacks are just the means to the end.
Yeah, a program does need a objective or a task to complete. It has functions that it uses to perform that task and complete a goal.

So here's the important part: Forge (and Hank?) needed to create a separate program that prevented the A.I. from accomplishing its primary objective. They couldn't reliably alter the Shi'ar programming because they no speakee Shee'yar. Forge could mmmmaybe have tooled around with it, but it was more reliable to create a separate system using technology with which he was more familiar. So he made a series of safety interlocks that kept the core operating system from ever fulfilling its primary objective. Keeping the safety interlocks separate, there was presumedly no risk of the A.I. finding a way around them.
The syntax that is used does not need to be Shi'Ar. Just a programming language so that the functions work. Could have been writen in Java is they wanted. It would have been s***e but it would have worked.

But this is another problem I have, there is another program that overrides the main program to stop the Danger Room from killing people. Odd really. As if this new program was implemented and compiled, why wasn't it added to the original program, put into the main Danger Room programming code.

It's just a 'IF' statement really.

Of course, this is all just me filling in the blanks. All Whedon said in Astonishing is that Number Five is alive and it's got a monkey on its back that won't let it kill, so it tricked everyone into killing the monkey. Presto-chango, you got yerself a killer.
And here is my main problem with it all, Whedon doesn't explain anything.

And the bolded bit above? Man is it crap at that. "I'll kill the X-men then kill Xavier' It harms a few X-men who are all alive by the end of it, then ignores everyone in the mansion and goes to find Xavier. that's some stupid AI. Apparently it doesn;t know when a human is dead.




So that's my take on it. It always seemed pretty straightforward to me.

It's a good take and well done to you for trying.

[Mikl C]

In an issue of Wolverine, he dons a helmet and fights virtual reality warriors while standing in the same spot. Maybe this was a prototype and the entire scenarios are a more advanced virtual reality and not in fact, occuring in a real-world room? You can still get hurt/ killed in the VR programs though.
Just a thought.

[Dizzy D]

So it's not Shi'Ar technology, it's Forge fiddling with it that created a sentient AI? :)


Wouldn't be the first time:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3879/474en.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[The Fury]

Wouldn't be the first time:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3879/474en.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

So why are people blaming Xavier? Forges power could be dangerous if he does not know how he is making something work. He could have created the weird energy that meant the Danger Room comes alive. Not Shi'Ar technology.

[Beast]

So why are people blaming Xavier? Forges power could be dangerous if he does not know how he is making something work. He could have created the weird energy that meant the Danger Room comes alive. Not Shi'Ar technology.
Because it was established to be Xavier's fault.

And more his fault that he kept Danger in forced servitude.

[The Fury]

Because it was established to be Xavier's fault.

And more his fault that he kept Danger in forced servitude.

Forced servitude? You mean the exact thing that Danger Room was designed to do? it's purpose? It was forced to do the thing it was destined/created to do?

Oh no!!!

[Beast]

Forced servitude? You mean the exact thing that Danger Room was designed to do? it's purpose? It was forced to do the thing it was destined/created to do?

Oh no!!!
Yeah, but it was a self aware A.I. program. One that was programmed to try to kill the X-Men. With an outside program that was designed to prevent it from achieving the function that it was designed for. Thus causing a conflict that basically drove it insane. Hence why Xavier gets the blame, for ignoring it.

[The Fury]

Yeah, but it was a self aware A.I. program. One that was programmed to try to kill the X-Men. With an outside program that was designed to prevent it from achieving the function that it was designed for. Thus causing a conflict that basically drove it insane. Hence why Xavier gets the blame, for ignoring it.

See, where was it stated that there were 2 programs, one a sentient AI that was actually a bit dolally, and another one that jsut said sopt when the first was about to kill someone?

Why wasn't any of those functions writen into the main program instead of having ti as an external independent one?

I still find it odd that the Danger Room was ever designed to kill the X-men, that wasn't it's goal, it was surely made to TRAIN the x-men, not kill them. I can train myself to do many sports for example, there is a risk I can die while training, all part of natural life. But even so, it should want anything beyond it's programming. That is it's purpose.

[Dizzy D]

Oh and bit of extra info:
Way back in Damage Control (taking place between Fall of the Mutants and before Sinister moves into the demolished X-Mansion), the Danger Room starts to repair the rest of the mansion by itself, suggesting at least some primitive form of A.I. back then.

[Beast]

See, where was it stated that there were 2 programs, one a sentient AI that was actually a bit dolally, and another one that jsut said sopt when the first was about to kill someone?

Why wasn't any of those functions writen into the main program instead of having ti as an external independent one?

I still find it odd that the Danger Room was ever designed to kill the X-men, that wasn't it's goal, it was surely made to TRAIN the x-men, not kill them. I can train myself to do many sports for example, there is a risk I can die while training, all part of natural life. But even so, it should want anything beyond it's programming. That is it's purpose.
It's stated in one of the issues. I'd have to pull them off my shelf and re-read it. But Danger mentions that an outside program prevented her from achieving the function that she was created for. So was forced to try over and over again to try to kill them, yet being prevented. Hence why she's not effected by the programming now free of what contained her. And since she's sentient, she basically went insane and tried to break free of the continued torture of her programming. And being prevented from doing what she was programmed.

I don't get what the problem with the fact she was programmed to kill them. How else would they train in life threatening situations if the program wasn't trying to kill them. That's the whole point of the Danger Room. A controlled place where they can hone their skills against life threatening situations. Comparing superhero training to sports training isn't really a fair comparison. Considering that yes, you can die in a tragic accident playing sports. But being a superhero puts one in a great deal more at risk.

[Mikl C]

Not to mention the time er... it FREAKING MADE ITSELF killer robots to "catalogue" all the mutants?! That's my biggest problem with Danger. It had already happened. And the fact that I hate Danger "her"self.

[Beast]

Not to mention the time er... it FREAKING MADE ITSELF killer robots to "catalogue" all the mutants?! That's my biggest problem with Danger. It had already happened. And the fact that I hate Danger "her"self.
Well, that was Cerebro. But yeah... Danger sucks. Decent character moments during the story though. ;)

[The Fury]

And the fact that I hate Danger "her"self.

'It', thank you. It is neither a living being or female.

[Dizzy D]

Not to mention the time er... it FREAKING MADE ITSELF killer robots to "catalogue" all the mutants?! That's my biggest problem with Danger. It had already happened. And the fact that I hate Danger "her"self.

That was Cerebro, not the Danger Room.

[Mikl C]

It's a bit samey init though? Is the mansion toaster gonna go homicidal now? Check your tech xies.

[Beast]

'It', thank you. It is neither a living being or female.
Danger has taken a female form, and refers to it's self in that manner.

Just as Vision, Victor LaMancha, Nimrod, or Ultron are male in form and personality.

Just as Jocasta and the new Ultron are female in form and personality.

[The Fury]

It's stated in one of the issues. I'd have to pull them off my shelf and re-read it. But Danger mentions that an outside program prevented her from achieving the function that she was created for. So was forced to try over and over again to try to kill them, yet being prevented. Hence why she's not effected by the programming now free of what contained her. And since she's sentient, she basically went insane and tried to break free of the continued torture of her programming. And being prevented from doing what she was programmed.

I don't get what the problem with the fact she was programmed to kill them. How else would they train in life threatening situations if the program wasn't trying to kill them. That's the whole point of the Danger Room. A controlled place where they can hone their skills against life threatening situations. Comparing superhero training to sports training isn't really a fair comparison. Considering that yes, you can die in a tragic accident playing sports. But being a superhero puts one in a great deal more at risk.
I just find it odd that any of the people who programmed the Danger Room (that is mainly Xavier, Forge and BEAST!!!) would ever a program to kill the other x-men and then put some crappy 2nd program to override it. Why not jsut create one program to train them? Push them to a degree but stop if life signs are dangerously low?

And this is beside the fact it makes no sense to have this 2nd program just to be overwriten and just disappear. If a program goes wrong on computers, they crash, it has to be restarted. That's all. This is also bside the fact the Danger Room assumed a odd form and had odd powers that make no sense to what is just a program.

Of course what also annoys me is that the Danger Room was crap at it's purpose if it was to kill the X-men as it failed badly, didn;t even check if they were dead or finish them off (amateur). Of course the Shi'Ar sentient thing also annoys me but we are not dicussing that here.


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I'll shut up.

[The Fury]

Danger has taken a female form, and refers to it's self in that manner.

Just as Vision, Victor LaMancha, Nimrod, or Ultron are male in form and personality.

Just as Jocasta and the new Ultron are female in form and personality.
Yeah, well, 'it' is in denial then.

And yes, they are all 'IT' as well. But then, Ultron and Vision were created by copying the brainwave patterns of males. Victor has false memories put into him so he thinks he's male (and has worked equipment apparently)...can't comment on Jocasta, don;t know enough about her.

Machine Man though, he see's himself as a 'he' as he was programmed to, he was made in the image of his creator and saw himself as male.

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I'll shut up.

[The Fury]

It's a bit samey init though? Is the mansion toaster gonna go homicidal now? Check your tech xies.

Well, the secruity system for sure.

But then question is why hasn't all the Shi'Ar tech in the universe ever done this? I mean if Shi'Ar tech is alive, then Shi'Ar are on even technically in control of their own warships.

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I'll shut up.

[Beast]

Well, we know that it was Xavier. As that who Danger blames for everything that happened. Forge and Beast may have rebuilt, modified, and added further programs ontop of the core systems. But it's Xavier who created Danger as she is, and who ignored it's consciousness for years. At least since Kitty was Ariel.

Because it wasn't part of Danger's system core. It was another backup system that was created to shut down danger. When her system core was freed, all the secondary systems that kept her locked down and under control were removed, allowing her to function in whatever mode she desired. Again, she's a sentient computer system. She had a female interface and chose a female form.

But agreed about her failure to kill them. Well, technically Piotr and Kitty were both dead if not for Elixir. And we have no idea how bad anyone elses injuries were. But I doubt that Beast, Wolverine, or Emma were seriously injured. Her primary target was Xavier, so she took them out and went after him. Perhaps hoping they'd follow so she could torture him by killing them infront of his eyes. Again, she was pretty much insane.

[The Fury]

Well, we know that it was Xavier. As that who Danger blames for everything that happened. Forge and Beast may have rebuilt, modified, and added further programs ontop of the core systems. But it's Xavier who created Danger as she is, and who ignored it's consciousness for years. At least since Kitty was Ariel.
Did Jean and Emma ignore it too or were they not powerful enough? Rachel? Psylocke?

Because it wasn't part of Danger's system core. It was another backup system that was created to shut down danger. When her system core was freed, all the secondary systems that kept her locked down and under control were removed, allowing her to function in whatever mode she desired. Again, she's a sentient computer system. She had a female interface and chose a female form.
Computer programs have no gender, an interface cannot be female. The fact programs just up a disappeared when usually all functions are used to create a whole system not just one aspect of it.

But agreed about her failure to kill them. Well, technically Piotr and Kitty were both dead if not for Elixir. And we have no idea how bad anyone elses injuries were. But I doubt that Beast, Wolverine, or Emma were seriously injured. Her primary target was Xavier, so she took them out and went after him. Perhaps hoping they'd follow so she could torture him by killing them infront of his eyes. Again, she was pretty much insane.
It's primary function is surely to kill the x-men as everyone keeps saying, yet it failed badly in this most simplest of tasks. Amateur.

[Beast]

Did Jean and Emma ignore it too or were they not powerful enough? Rachel? Psylocke?


Computer programs have no gender, an interface cannot be female. The fact programs just up a disappeared when usually all functions are used to create a whole system not just one aspect of it.


It's primary function is surely to kill the x-men as everyone keeps saying, yet it failed badly in this most simplest of tasks. Amateur.
We'll just have to assume that Jean, Rachel, or Emma just never noticed it.

Yes, an interface can be designed female. It can be created with a female form and voice. Clearly the Danger Room's interface had these, and it took up a female form when it was freed from the restrains of the system.

Of course it did. Because it chose not to kill them, in order to go after Xavier instead.

[The Fury]

We'll just have to assume that Jean, Rachel, or Emma just never noticed it.
Wow, i didn't realise Jean was so weak. Emma too.

Yes, an interface can be designed female. It can be created with a female form and voice. Clearly the Danger Room's interface had these, and it took up a female form when it was freed from the restrains of the system.
Oh you mean a female voice. But what determines a female voice?

(I think the female form thing was just a way to make it seem cooler...didn't work).

Of course it did. Because it chose not to kill them, in order to go after Xavier instead.
Riiiight. Wimp.

[Beast]

Wow, i didn't realise Jean was so weak. Emma too.


Oh you mean a female voice. But what determines a female voice?

(I think the female form thing was just a way to make it seem cooler...didn't work).


Riiiight. Wimp.
Not weak. Just not aware. Why would you just randomly scan technology for an intelligence. Of course after Danger, I hope that every telepath will scan stuff as it comes into the mansion just to be safe.

Well, it's an A.I. An artificial intelligence. Someone gave her a female voice/personality and that's how she presents herself. I don't see what the problem is with Danger presenting herself as female.

And not a wimp. She defeated them and could have killed them. She decided not to and went after her primary target, Xavier. Who knows exactly why she didn't kill them when given the chance. Maybe because she didn't want to be ruled by her programming. Or because she wanted Xavier more.

[Mikl C]

The visual of Danger weirds me out.

[Beast]

The visual of Danger weirds me out.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/Dangeroom.jpg/388px-Dangeroom.jpg

Come on, how can you say that's not sexy. ;) :D

[xmanson]

Well, I'm guessing Xavier sensed it, not scanned it, right?

And in the many times telepaths used their powers to look for people in the mansion, they never sensed it too? Not even when Charles was far far away?

And when bastion cleared the mansion, didn't the Danger Room got cleaned up too?

[The Fury]

Well, I'm guessing Xavier sensed it, not scanned it, right?

And in the many times telepaths used their powers to look for people in the mansion, they never sensed it too? Not even when Charles was far far away?

And when bastion cleared the mansion, didn't the Danger Room got cleaned up too?

See, thank you for outlining more problems with it. Just think of the times that Jean Emma or even Psylocke used Cerebro, a mahcine that enhances their mind, could they not sense it then? just a small sign of soemthing? Xavier hasn't always been at the mansion so there are numerous times in when they could have sensed it and he wasn't they to hide it.

The Danger Room has been destroyed a fair few times also.

[steve2275]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/Dangeroom.jpg/388px-Dangeroom.jpg

Come on, how can you say that's not sexy. ;) :D
......indeed

[xakko]

Well, I'm guessing Xavier sensed it, not scanned it, right?

And in the many times telepaths used their powers to look for people in the mansion, they never sensed it too? Not even when Charles was far far away?

And when bastion cleared the mansion, didn't the Danger Room got cleaned up too?

well, Xavier is the world's most powerful telepath, and has often been shown interacting with electronics, especially in the original stories. He was able to disable a Sentinel with a telepathic bolt, after all, and was able to mentally scan the Doomsmith Device at Valhalla. It may be that his own telepathy had an aspect of cyberpathy as well.

the bad thing is the name "Ariel", which (at least in the main title) was proposed and rejected by Kitty. I think it was used in a mini or annual, tho'.

Of course, Xavier did delete all respective data about Kitty Pryde from the computers in X-Men #110

I'm glad you're fluent in Shi'ar programming, Kri... (and since we do know they have sentient AI like Waldo and Sikorsky, why shouldn't Emma's statement be regarded as a possibility)

[DDM]

The Danger Room has been destroyed a fair few times also.


The Danger Room had been bugged in Uncanny X-Men #110 which the Hellfire Club used to data mine Cerebro to make an exact duplicate of Xavier's Danger Room & Cerebro to use for their purposes eventually shown in The New Mutants #15-17 & emphasized with the recruitment of the Hellions.

The Danger Room has only been wrecked once circa Uncanny X-Men #143 when Kitty fought a N'garai demon on Christmas Eve. However, after the mansion was destroyed in Uncanny X-Men #154 by the Sidri, Xavier upgraded the Danger Room with Shi'ar technology.

When the mansion was blown-up by Mister Sinister in Uncanny X-Men #243, the sub-basement housing the Danger Room remained undamaged as shown in Excalibur #9.

[Mikl C]

Bastion cleared it out too DDM. They were seen to be training in a much less sophisticated version after that.

[All The Best Names Were Taken]

I dont know if anyone has thought of this, but seeing as Danger actually did completely fail to kill any of the X Men when she had the opportunity, that the secondary system she overrode to free herself wasn't the only one put in place to stop her. After all, if I was designing something that could possibly kill me and anyone I cared about, I'd have about 5 thousand preventitive measures in place. Danger may just be a different form that Xavier actually planned in case the first system failed, a sentient being with the illusion of free will (and therefore, not trying to override any further preventitive systems) but still unable to fulfill her primary need to kill the X Men.

[DDM]

I dont know if anyone has thought of this, but seeing as Danger actually did completely fail to kill any of the X Men when she had the opportunity, that the secondary system she overrode to free herself wasn't the only one put in place to stop her. After all, if I was designing something that could possibly kill me and anyone I cared about, I'd have about 5 thousand preventitive measures in place. Danger may just be a different form that Xavier actually planned in case the first system failed, a sentient being with the illusion of free will (and therefore, not trying to override any further preventitive systems) but still unable to fulfill her primary need to kill the X Men.

I would write Danger as a virus that got away from its primary programming & had mutated into a sentient lifeform. That way, Xavier is no longer demonized for seemingly turning into a version of Magneto.

[Azure]

Some people were confused about Danger, so I bumped this thread in order to help them out.

[just another user]

Some people were confused about Danger, so I bumped this thread in order to help them out.

Also helpful for those people that were confused about old-timey CBR

[Azure]

Also helpful for those people that were confused about old-timey CBR

So much has changed in two years. It was a better time.