When Nova sent a distress call to Earth during Civil War ...

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When Nova sent a distress call to Earth during Civil War ... what happened? This happened in Annihilation 3, here's the panel:
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n309/Paul2050/comicbook%20clips/PaulRevere.jpg
Well, Nova's message got lost but no one knows how or why it got lost. But we know something went wrong with the message. Was it sabotauge, or an accident? Did Nova write down the wrong adress of the Baxter Building before he sent the message to Earth? Here's what Tom Brevoort had to say.

Well, we'll see when and if it crops up at all. But this is a good example of how these stories sometimes develop organically. In the original brief, the ground rules for ANNIHILATION was that it stays away from Earth and CIVIL WAR--that was where we started. A certain point into the story, Keith felt the need to bring Earth into the picture, at least as an element displaying the personal stakes to Nova--if he and his guys fail, not only will alien planets that Nova's not really connected to fall, but his homeworld as well. From there, Keith came up with the idea of the capsule. It doesn't hurt anything, and so it was fine for him to do that. And sure, perhaps he or another writer will now pick up on that--but it wasn't a part of the planning and in fact flies in the face of the original ground rules. But so what? It was a good moment and a good scene, and that makes it worth doing. So sure, maybe it'll be followed up on, or maybe it won't. What I can say for certain is that it won't be followed up on in a way that'll cause all of the other Marvel heroes to show up to solve ANNIHILATION, nor in a way that'll cause all of the space guys to come in for the end of CIVIL WAR. These are two separate stories, happening within the same fictional universe.

Tom B

Eventhough Marvel isn't exactly planning to tell the story of Nova's lost message, I'm still wondering what might of happened. So I started this thread to start a discussion of possible conspiracies, during the chaos of Civil War, that may have wanted to keep Earth from realizing the massive destruction happening within nearby galaxies and the Negative Zone.

So to start off, right now I think the Thunderbolts might have intercepted the message. Because I bet they'd want to keep Civil War going hoping that the heroes will continue to kill each other.

[Jack Zodiac]

Seeing as how the two events are completely unconnected, I'd wager Earth got the message (whoever it was he sent it to) and preparations have been or are being made for a possible alien attack. However, no one responded to the distress call with action.

Also note, we aren't exactly sure what time-frame Annihilation is working in while we know exactly what the pacing for Civil War has been.

[Captain Exaggeration]

When Nova sent a distress call to Earth during Civil War ... what happened? This happened in Annihilation 3, here's the panel:
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n309/Paul2050/comicbook%20clips/PaulRevere.jpg
Well, Nova's message got lost but no one knows how or why it got lost. But we know something went wrong with the message. Was it sabotauge, or an accident? Did Nova write down the wrong adress of the Baxter Building before he sent the message to Earth? Here's what Tom Brevoort had to say.



Eventhough Marvel isn't exactly planning to tell the story of Nova's lost message, I'm still wondering what might of happened. So I started this thread to start a discussion of possible conspiracies, during the chaos of Civil War, that may have wanted to keep Earth from realizing the massive destruction happening within nearby galaxies and the Negative Zone.

So to start off, right now I think the Thunderbolts might have intercepted the message. Because I bet they'd want to keep Civil War going hoping that the heroes will continue to kill each other.
Check out the new Nova interview on the Annihilation forums. Apparently one of the first things to happen in Nova's new series is him finding out what happened to the New Warriors.

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Check out the new Nova interview on the Annihilation forums. Apparently one of the first things to happen in Nova's new series is him finding out what happened to the New Warriors.

Yeah, but the lame thing is, Tom Brevoort would have given me a "wait and see" if it was going to be answered this soon.

But I guess one question I should also ask is who did Nova send the capsule to? And it probably was the New Warriors, I could see them failing to convince anyone. Or maybe they didn't want to get blamed for another disaster?

[Captain Exaggeration]

Yeah, but the lame thing is, Tom Brevoort would have given me a "wait and see" if it was going to be answered this soon.

But I guess one question I should also ask is who did Nova send the capsule to? And it probably was the New Warriors, I could see them failing to convince anyone. Or maybe they didn't want to get blamed for another disaster?
Are the rest of the New Warriors even in a position to answer anything? Fire Star quick heroing and Speedball is... well we all know what happened to him. The only one I can think of thats not dead/semi-evil/retired is Justice and I don't even know where he is.

[Xero]

Are the rest of the New Warriors even in a position to answer anything? Fire Star quick heroing and Speedball is... well we all know what happened to him. The only one I can think of thats not dead/semi-evil/retired is Justice and I don't even know where he is.

Same mistake everyone makes.

There are many New Warriors, and they have a plan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Warriors_members
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_warriors

[Captain Exaggeration]

Same mistake everyone makes.

There are many New Warriors, and they have a plan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Warriors_members
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_warriors
Never knew there were so many.

[Baltho08]

Here, check this thread for an even bigger plothole I found months ago:


http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=151653

Super Skrull TELLS Reed Richards Annihilus is coming to Earth in Super Skrull #1; forget the distress signal, Reed KNOWS this info firsthand, and ignores it. I love Annihilation, but still, this has to be a bigger mistake than people ignoring a distress signal Noval sent them MONTHS after Super Skrull informed Reed of what was going on.
Peace.

[Captain Exaggeration]

Here, check this thread for an even bigger plothole I found months ago:


http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=151653

Super Skrull TELLS Reed Richards Annihilus is coming to Earth in Super Skrull #1; forget the distress signal, Reed KNOWS this info firsthand, and ignores it. I love Annihilation, but still, this has to be a bigger mistake than people ignoring a distress signal Noval sent them MONTHS after Super Skrull informed Reed of what was going on.
Peace.
Don't forget... Reed has kind of lost his mind.

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To be fair, that scene in SUPER-SKRULL #1 has a jump in it. We never actually see what Kl'rt tells Reed. He definitely knows about the Wave, but he doesn't necessarily know the details or that Earth is directly in its path.

Like I said at the time, if Reed jumped into every interstellar war he heard about, he'd never get anything done.

[Sean Walsh]

To be fair, that scene in SUPER-SKRULL #1 has a jump in it. We never actually see what Kl'rt tells Reed. He definitely knows about the Wave, but he doesn't necessarily know the details or that Earth is directly in its path.

I wonder if anything related to ANNIHILATION made it into his big equation...

[Thursaiz]

I always assumed that Annihilus somehow got to Reed first, and that is why he didn't care about what Super-Skrull said. Same way that if the capsule did reach Earth, 'Reed' ignored it.

This might explain why they were able to get a huge prison inside the Negative Zone without Annihilus caring.

[Jack]

To be fair, that scene in SUPER-SKRULL #1 has a jump in it. We never actually see what Kl'rt tells Reed. He definitely knows about the Wave, but he doesn't necessarily know the details or that Earth is directly in its path.

Like I said at the time, if Reed jumped into every interstellar war he heard about, he'd never get anything done.
It was convincing enough for Reed to let one of his worst enemies use one of his prized inventions, though.

A better question is why Reed would site the prison in the Negative Zone knowing what he knows about the Annihilation Wave.

Anyway, the answer to this thread is this: naturally, Tony heard the message and decided to quash it so no one else found out because he's eeeeeeeevil.

[XPac]

It was convincing enough for Reed to let one of his worst enemies use one of his prized inventions, though.

A better question is why Reed would site the prison in the Negative Zone knowing what he knows about the Annihilation Wave.

Anyway, the answer to this thread is this: naturally, Tony heard the message and decided to quash it so no one else found out because he's eeeeeeeevil.

Maybe the Annihilation Wave is part of Reeds rationale. Annihilus is invading his universe... what better revenge than to set up shop in his.

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It was convincing enough for Reed to let one of his worst enemies use one of his prized inventions, though.Eh, it's not like tossing Kl'rt into the Negative Zone costs anything or hurts anything, from Reed's point of view.

As for the prison, it sort of depends on how the timeline shakes out. We don't know when Kl'rt showed up on Earth with respect to its construction (or for that matter, to Civil War).

[Jack Zodiac]

Like I said, do we know when Annihilation is taking place in comparison to Civil War? Are they happening side-by-side? If we don't know for sure... hell, maybe Reed invading the Negative Zone to build his hero prison is what kicked Annihilus into gear to invade their universe.

[XPac]

Like I said, do we know when Annihilation is taking place in comparison to Civil War? Are they happening side-by-side? If we don't know for sure... hell, maybe Reed invading the Negative Zone to build his hero prison is what kicked Annihilus into gear to invade their universe.

We can actually use the She-Hulk book to sort of guage how close the events are since she does interact with both Civil War, and with characters that would later show up in Annihilation (Moondragon and Captain Mar-Vells daughter specifically).

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Like I said, do we know when Annihilation is taking place in comparison to Civil War? Are they happening side-by-side? If we don't know for sure... hell, maybe Reed invading the Negative Zone to build his hero prison is what kicked Annihilus into gear to invade their universe.

That is a good point. A while back I did ask Andy Schmidt when it does take place. And I agree with what he said, but to get technical about it here it is:

I don't have a definite Earth date for ANNIHILATION DAY, that was as you point out, one of the ways to fudge the time frame as necessary. A couple of key points that I used to look into it. We know that ANNIHILATION DAY is the same 7 days before Nova arrives on Xandar. So, it's reasonable to assume that Annihilation Day is after the close of the NEW WARRIORS limited series, but before CIVIL WAR #1. We also know that the events in YOUNG AVENGERS #12 happen prior to (or at the same time as) Annihilation Day. This is also true for PLANET HULK, part 1, as the Silver Surfer leaves from there to go do his adventuring.

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As far as the Super-Skrull plothole:

Don't forget... Reed has kind of lost his mind.

Yeah, the Super-Skrull plot hole kind of bugs me too. But as long as Reed Richard goes insane, that's a good enough explanation for me.

To be fair, that scene in SUPER-SKRULL #1 has a jump in it. We never actually see what Kl'rt tells Reed. He definitely knows about the Wave, but he doesn't necessarily know the details or that Earth is directly in its path.

Like I said at the time, if Reed jumped into every interstellar war he heard about, he'd never get anything done.

I agree with that too. And I think Reed probably also thought Super Skrull could handle his space menace on his own. So I don't think that is much of a plothole as it seemed when it was first brought up.

But if Civil War and Annhilation did connect, I would assume 42 would be the frontline assualt against Annhilus.

I think it would be really lame if Nova's Capsule was just "lost in space" though.

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I always assumed that Annihilus somehow got to Reed first, and that is why he didn't care about what Super-Skrull said. Same way that if the capsule did reach Earth, 'Reed' ignored it.

This might explain why they were able to get a huge prison inside the Negative Zone without Annihilus caring.

Wouldn't that be a trip. Maybe that's the real reason his wife left him :D

[Baltho08]

Eh, it's not like tossing Kl'rt into the Negative Zone costs anything or hurts anything, from Reed's point of view.

As for the prison, it sort of depends on how the timeline shakes out. We don't know when Kl'rt showed up on Earth with respect to its construction (or for that matter, to Civil War).

Yeah, but we DO know that the aforementioned scene from Annihilation #3 where Nova sends the distress signal to earth happens on Annihilation day Plus 242, about 8 months after Annihilation day. Kl'rt visits Reed and tells him what was going on in Super Skrull #1 on Annihilation Day Plus about 18, which is what, 7 months or so before that. Fact is, Reed should have known better. The only really plausible idea that I can think of is that Reed assumed the whole thing just worked itself out, as 8 months had passed since Kl'rt visited him and there were thus far no signs of Annihilus. That said, maybe the distress signal sent by Nova will serve to remind him and unite the heroes? I dunno.
Peace.

[Jack]

Eh, it's not like tossing Kl'rt into the Negative Zone costs anything or hurts anything, from Reed's point of view.

As for the prison, it sort of depends on how the timeline shakes out. We don't know when Kl'rt showed up on Earth with respect to its construction (or for that matter, to Civil War).
Well, we know that right now in Civil War there are only two portals to the NZ, one of them in the Baxter Building. And since the BB portal has been redesigned, and the one SS used was the classic model, Reed had to have known.

And Nova all but used the words civil and war to describe the situation on Earth in Annihilation #3. "A house divided cannot stand" was the line used, and that would not apply to pre-Civil War Earth. Post-Civil War, perhaps, but that would still place the original visit from the Super Skrull at before 42 was built.

[XPac]

Yeah, but we DO know that the aforementioned scene from Annihilation #3 where Nova sends the distress signal to earth happens on Annihilation day Plus 242, about 8 months after Annihilation day. Kl'rt visits Reed and tells him what was going on in Super Skrull #1 on Annihilation Day Plus about 18, which is what, 7 months or so before that. Fact is, Reed should have known better. The only really plausible idea that I can think of is that Reed assumed the whole thing just worked itself out, as 8 months had passed since Kl'rt visited him and there were thus far no signs of Annihilus. That said, maybe the distress signal sent by Nova will serve to remind him and unite the heroes? I dunno.
Peace.

I think at this point, Reed simply feels it's more important to put Captain America in jail than to save the Universe from Annihilus. Since he's clearly having more trouble dealing with Cap than he has in the past with Annihilus, I can almost understand him thinking that. Almost.

[Frank]

It would have been interesting to crossover Civil War and Annihilation. Because it would have been so easy to do and so kickass. Reed Richards has set-up shop in the N-Zone. So when Annihilus comes back there you have that possibility of conflict a massive bodies of heroes there.

Last issue of Civil War, you have Tony Stark telling Cap that they did all this because they knew Annihilus was coming and wanted to organise a super-army to fight him. At that exact same moment, Nova crash on Earth near the CW fight, the impact kills Tony.

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I think I solved the probelm with the accidental Civil War and Annihilation crossover.

It seems we can safely say Reed Richards got the message because he can predict the future of events with his current use of psycohistory.

He was able to figure out the equation that predicts the Annihilation Wave because he got all the nescessary data from Super-Skrull in Super-Skrull #1 and started working on it right after Super-Skrull left for the Negative Zone. This also inspired Reed to create the Negative Zone Prison as a very subtle part of the equation ... in fact all of Reeds plans center on 42 - Reeds ultimate answer factored into his grand equation.

Reed Richards did not respond to Nova's message because if he did he would of added a variable to the current course of events predicted with psycohistory, (a response could have undesired influences on Nova). On a larger scope Reed is the only person on Earth who knows of the Annihilation. And because of the way psycohistory works Reed would prefer to cut Earth's contact with all knowledge of the Annihilation Wave (until it is over), because this way he is allowing his equation to see it's way through and it will save more lives in the long run.

[ShaggyB]

I think I solved the probelm with the accidental Civil War and Annihilation crossover.

It seems we can safely say Reed Richards got the message because he can predict the future of events with his current use of psycohistory.

He was able to figure out the equation that predicts the Annihilation Wave because he got all the nescessary data from Super-Skrull in Super-Skrull #1 and started working on it right after Super-Skrull left for the Negative Zone. This also inspired Reed to create the Negative Zone Prison as a very subtle part of the equation ... in fact all of Reeds plans center on 42 - Reeds ultimate answer factored into his grand equation.

Reed Richards did not respond to Nova's message because if he did he would of added a variable to the current course of events predicted with psycohistory, (a response could have undesired influences on Nova). On a larger scope Reed is the only person on Earth who knows of the Annihilation. And because of the way psycohistory works Reed would prefer to cut Earth's contact with all knowledge of the Annihilation Wave (until it is over), because this way he is allowing his equation to see it's way through and it will save more lives in the long run.

ever thought maybe hes factored in the outcome and its a mater of non importance that will see itself through without his help. obviously he knows, so its in the equation and obviously hes consider it and something is countering it in the equation, that being the end of civil war will give what is need to end annihalation or that annihalation will end on its on in a favorable way to his equation

[mud]

What if Doc Doom got Nova's message ?:eek:

[Nova3333]

What if Doc Doom got Nova's message ?:eek:

Hmmm. Intersting idea that.

[XPac]

What if Doc Doom got Nova's message ?:eek:

Doom won't lower himself to rushing off to battle a second string FF villian that isn't even worth Reed Richards attention. At least that's how I think Doom would look at it.

[DMike]

If anything, that provides a decent reason for why Reed hasn't done anything about all this. Annihilus has never been that much of a threat to the FF and while powerful he's never been that dangerous, and depending upon how much K'lrt actually told Reed, he could think the "Annihilation Wave" is nothing more than the name of the effect of some fancy ray gun from the Negative Zone.