The 12 Pardons: Who gets one?

[lonewolf23k]

In Civil War #6, we discover Iron Man managed to finagle a dozen Presidential Pardons for a select few Anti-Reg heroes..

So, who do you think will get them?

Me, I'm betting Spidey gets one.. It's the only way to return him to something at least resembling a Status Quo, without being on the run from the authorities all the time and having to use an assumed identity...

[Kirk G]

In Civil War #6, we discover Iron Man managed to finagle a dozen Presidential Pardons for a select few Anti-Reg heroes..
So, who do you think will get them?
Me, I'm betting Spidey gets one.. It's the only way to return him to something at least resembling a Status Quo, without being on the run from the authorities all the time and having to use an assumed identity...

Yeah, I'll go with Spidey,
but also include Daredevil,
Sue Richards, Johnny Storm...
in a curve, maybe Tony Stark, Reed Richards, Clor,
Falcon, Capt America,
Frank Castle,
....anyone I've missed?

Now, I also assume that these are not pardons for the supervillians who have reformed, assisted or were co-oped into the New Thunderbolts...
Bullseye,
Norman Osborn
Moonstone
Penance
Jack Flag
Vennom

who else?

[Tater]

Sue - Reed
Johnny - Reed
Captain America - Respect
Black Panther - Advoid international problems here
Young Avengers - They were just following Captain America
Daredevil - To lead a team.
Spider-man - respect

[MAK15]

IM thinkin:

Spidey, Captain America, Johnny Storm, Sue Richards, Luke Cage, Spider-Woman(Tony did kinda screw her over, and may feel bad about that), Iron fist, T'Challa, Storm, and 3 others wh ocan answer a trivia game.

[Kevinroc]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=96423

NRAMA: If you had to guess, who would Iron Man give the other ten immunities to?

TB: Wow, good question. Assuming that Tony can’t secure more than twelve immunities in total, I would guess that the folks who’d be at the head of the list would include Captain America himself, Spider-Man (because he’d realize how much Peter stepped up for him, and how much he sacrificed for Tony’s agenda, even if he reversed himself in the end—plus he’d do it for Aunt May and Mary Jane), the Young Avengers (Patriot, Hulkling, Wiccan, Hawkeye, Vision, Speed—he’d assume that they were more susceptible to being swayed by Cap simply because he’s Cap, and being young, not necessarily possessing the life experience to make an informed decision), and perhaps the Falcon and Luke Cage, the other guys he knows the best.

So that's...

1: Human Torch
2: Invisible Woman
3: Spider-Man
4: Captain America
5: Patriot
6: Hulkling
7: Wiccan
8: Hawkeye
9: Vision
10: Speed
11: Luke Cage
12: Falcon

[Wild Card13]

Actually, since solicits say Spidey will still be "on the run" in the future, I don't think he'll be pardoned.

My guesses:

Sue-All ready stated.

Johnny-All ready stated.

Cap-Out of respect, mostly. America looks bad if its personified self is rebelling against it.

Luke Cage-A sort of "I'm sorry we trashed your house" award.

Wiccan-It'd be good PR for Tony if he pardons the kids.

Hulkling-See above.

Hawkeye II-See above.

Patriot-See above.

Vision-See above.

Speed-See above.

Spider-Woman-A sort of "I'm sorry we screwed you over and almost got you killed by the most dangerous terrorist organization in the world" award.

Falcon-Mostly due to his indellible association with Cap.

[Arilou]

Seems like a good list.

No way in hell they'd pardon Frank Castle. Unless he took saves the earth in #7 or something.

[XPac]

Hmmm.... tough question.

Obviously Reed will make sure Sue and Johnney will get some. That makes 10 left.

I think the Avengers and Young Avengers will be the lucky ones. That includes Cap, Spidey, Luke Cage, Patriot, Hulkling, Wiccan, Hawkeye, Speed. And I guess I'll throw in Falcon and Iron Fist.

Vision is a robot... he might not need it.

I'll assume Black Panther and Storm have enough diplomatic immunity to help themselves.

Spider-Woman might already be pre-registered. And aside from the break in to the prison, she hasn't really done a whole lot. SHe might be able to slide without pardon.

Daredevil was never really there... he should be fine.

[IamtheRock3]

Well frank out cause he will keep hunting down thunderbolts


Dont think Cap or Spidey will get pardon actully. Think they wont be fighting shield but just doing thier thing underground

[Capt USA]

first two guess's are probably the easiest in my opinion.

1. Invisible Woman
2. Human Torch,
third seems likely as a concession to cap which is
3. Falcon.

after that, we'll eliminate the ones that don't have a chance
Captain America, Punisher and Spiderman. We'll also eliminate the ones that won't need it, Black Panther and Storm.

figure friends of tonys that were friends before hand

4. Luke Cage
5. Tigra (although it may not be necessary)
6. Spider Woman(who could resist her?)
have to agree with the concept of using the young avengers, although Hulkling may have a problem getting one, Hawkeye, Patriot should be considered favored.

whoever is the traitor in frontline (Bishop?) may end up getting one also.

[Karl H]

Yeah. I for one hope that Spidey doesn't get one - brings on a new status quo (I realise that there's an argument that the Spidey as an Avenger issue hasn't fully run its course but, that's a personal view).

As for the others - I'm kind of meh about the whole pardons ideas. Feel's like we're retconning before the story's even run it's course!

[Blackcat]

Sue and Torch for sure, because Reed wanted it (2)

The yough Avengers, because they're young and were followers: Patriot, Hawkeye, Speed, Wiccan, Hulklin, Vision. (6+2=8)

Spider-Man, because Marvel needs him to operate freely.
Captain America, because he is a big hero and Avenger
Hercules, because Cap America would only accept if his two boddies could get one too.
Falcon, see Hercules

[IamtheRock3]

so what I am getting is

basicly all the IMPORTANT heroes or ones with books get pardons

B listets S out of luck

[Crimson]

I think the question is, who would accept one... they care enough to fight for their beliefes but then give up after a month or two (Marvel time). Doesn't seem likely the way the series has been going.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Kinda makes me curious though, wouldn't making half the heroes in the MU outlaws really restrict/tie up story possibilities? I think they'll be a general amnesty, regardless of what they say.

[agrich]

so what I am getting is

basicly all the IMPORTANT heroes or ones with books get pardons

B listets S out of luck


Sort of like how after House of M most of the IMPORTANT mutants still had their powers. Or in the case of Magneto, got them back soon after I guess.

Kinda makes me curious though, wouldn't making half the heroes in the MU outlaws really restrict/tie up story possibilities?

Just the opposite, actually. There were a couple of years of the Spider-man comic back in the day where he was wanted for the murder of Norman Osborn, and cops used to fire on him and stuff. Hell, the entirety of the Hulk comic book had the Hulk on the run. Certainly SOME heroes it would be difficult with, but others it would open up story possibilities rather than restrict them.

[ivesaidway2much]

I expect that all the big names the FF, Cap, Spidey, and the Young Avengers will get one. But I hope Debrii gets one, as symbol of respect for all her fallen New Warrior teamates.

Just the opposite, actually. There were a couple of years of the Spider-man comic back in the day where he was wanted for the murder of Norman Osborn, and cops used to fire on him and stuff. Hell, the entirety of the Hulk comic book had the Hulk on the run. Certainly SOME heroes it would be difficult with, but others it would open up story possibilities rather than restrict them. I have no problem with books about heroes being on the run. Heck, the Hulk's one of my favorite fictional characters. But what happens if half of all heroes are wanted by the law at the same time.

For instance I really liked the recent arc where Daredevil was in jail. But what if a quarter or a fifth of all heroes are in jail. That would be like 4 to 6 prison books a month, and it could get kind of tedious. The same could be true with half of all Marvel heroes on the run simultaneously.

[Magneto Rocks]

after that, we'll eliminate the ones that don't have a chance
Captain America, Punisher and Spiderman.

Are you talking story-wise or "reality" wise?

Story wise I think he will offer and they'll scorn it, but he'll DEFINITELY offer. I can't see him not offering- those two would be the big ones I'd suspect. Although I'd say spidey would take it. Cap wouldn't.

"Reality" wise we know they won't get pardoned, yeah.

[Shane Shooter]

How much of a sell out you would you seem if you get pardoned for fighting the exact same fight somebody else was but because you're buds with Tony Stark you get a free pass but they have to go to the Negative Zone. That is cold blooded and I don't think anybody would actually accept these Pardons

[John Nowak]

Reed, Hank, and Tony each get four.

Reed uses his for Sue, Johnny, and Ben (if he needs one), and gives the one or two left over for wny FF part timer who will accept one.

Hank would give his to fellow Avengers.

Tony would offer one to Spider-Man, and when he accepts, would snatch it back with a gleeful cry of "Psych!" Then he would offer them to "Anyone who will punch Spider-Man in the nose." Because he's just that evil now.

[IamtheRock3]

Kinda makes me curious though, wouldn't making half the heroes in the MU outlaws really restrict/tie up story possibilities? I think they'll be a general amnesty, regardless of what they say.

Well spiderman was always a fugitive. Just never went after him this hard


imagine thing will go back to that, accept for every Anti heroe. Where they are fugitive but to go after kind of non full tilt. Leave that to the thunderbolts

[IamtheRock3]

How much of a sell out you would you seem if you get pardoned for fighting the exact same fight somebody else was but because you're buds with Tony Stark you get a free pass but they have to go to the Negative Zone. That is cold blooded and I don't think anybody would actually accept these Pardons


You do have a point

[Titanium]

Johnny and Sue are definately pardoned. The Young Avengers might be just because of the bad publicity it would bring to arrest these kids who were just following a leader like Captain America.

However, I do not think Captain America is getting a pardon. It doesn't seem like this can end with a good ending for steve. I almost expect either a death or faked death for him and maybe a posthumous pardon.

What would be a real twist is in the end, Frank Castle does get a pardon after being captured and made a Thunderbolt operative in the vein of Bullseye. He's pardoned, but is put in SHIELD custody and let loose back on the criminal underworld, only now armed with SHIELD tech and is kept out of any news report. A totally legal Punisher?

[Killer Bee]

Cap will never accept a pardon. He would rather rot in jail.

He's an American above all else.


So with that said, it's a big raffle party to see who gets the other ten.

[Capt USA]

Are you talking story-wise or "reality" wise?

Story wise I think he will offer and they'll scorn it, but he'll DEFINITELY offer. I can't see him not offering- those two would be the big ones I'd suspect. Although I'd say spidey would take it. Cap wouldn't.

"Reality" wise we know they won't get pardoned, yeah.


story and reality wise, the leader of the movement getting a pardon while his followers don't is a horrible decision and one that can't be rationalized at any level, it's why I think Falcon is the likely person to get the pardon as cap negotiates the surrender he wants to make sure his right hand man (and yes there is no doubt in my mind that the falcon is the second most influential person involved in this struggle)

spidey betrayed the pro's, and won't have reed going to bat for him, i just don't see him getting one either unless there is a re-write of the law and a general amnesty is enacted

[wet wookie]

I don't know how anybody could think Black Panther needs a pardon. Like the US government would arrest another head of state because he runs around in his long johns.

[Shadowdreamer85]

Looks like the Young Avengers might be more certain than any of the others. Here's the cover for issue one of the "Avengers: The Initiative" from the latest Joe Fridays over at newsarama:

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF30art/Aven_Intitiative.jpg

From the looks of it, I think it's safe to assume that the Young Avengers (Hawkeye, Vision, Hulkling, Wiccan, and Patriot - Speed seems absent so who knows) are gonna get pardoned. There they are surrounded by a bunch of Pro-Reg heroes like She-Hulk, former Anti-regs like Stature, and even some of the Thunderbolts. So based on their new associates, I'd say they're pardoned. That takes care of 5 right there (6 with Speed if he shows up). As for the other half of the pardons, I dunno, but alot of good possibilities have already been brought up on here.

[cyclops2500]

I was under the impression that the new avengers would get off because they're minors. As long as they register, they should be released. Well the ones who are minors, anyhow.

[Magneto Rocks]

Torch is also there, mind you.

[Arilou]

story and reality wise, the leader of the movement getting a pardon while his followers don't is a horrible decision and one that can't be rationalized at any level, it's why I think Falcon is the likely person to get the pardon as cap negotiates the surrender he wants to make sure his right hand man (and yes there is no doubt in my mind that the falcon is the second most influential person involved in this struggle)

spidey betrayed the pro's, and won't have reed going to bat for him, i just don't see him getting one either unless there is a re-write of the law and a general amnesty is enacted

I think the point was that these twelve pardons were essentially Tony's to distribute as he sees fit, for any reason whatsoever.

And he understands why Spidey betrayed him (although he doesen't have to like it) and also for MJ's and Aunt May's sake he'd pardon Spidey.

[Rf2j]

Hi, first post here. I came back to Marvel comics after a very long time when I read somewhere about CW. Done a lot of cathing up since then by reading paperbacks and Wikipedia.

I'm quite fast getting a feeling that te writers are writing themselves into a dead end that they will have really hard time writing themselves out. As somebody already pointed out, this pardons thing seems like a desperate attempt of retconning bad story before it even happens. For example I cannot imagine Sue, Johnny, Cap or Spidey accepting a pardon while other anti's go to jail for the rest of their lives.

I think there is gonna be a lot of story writing against many heros character in coming few issues. I can only hope for a complete deus ex machina like The Sentry making everybody on Earth forget everything about this stupid war.

[Tater]

I still think Black Panther might get one. Is his identity well known to the public though? If it is I think he needs one. Or else it was basically a country backing up the rebels.

[Capt USA]

Hi, first post here. I came back to Marvel comics after a very long time when I read somewhere about CW. Done a lot of cathing up since then by reading paperbacks and Wikipedia.

I'm quite fast getting a feeling that te writers are writing themselves into a dead end that they will have really hard time writing themselves out. As somebody already pointed out, this pardons thing seems like a desperate attempt of retconning bad story before it even happens. For example I cannot imagine Sue, Johnny, Cap or Spidey accepting a pardon while other anti's go to jail for the rest of their lives.

I think there is gonna be a lot of story writing against many heros character in coming few issues. I can only hope for a complete deus ex machina like The Sentry making everybody on Earth forget everything about this stupid war.


rest of their lives? it's not rest of their lives its a minor sentence and then they stay in jail until they agree to register. You don't get a life sentence for not registering, you get a year? or so, provided you are willing to register at the end of the sentence. The pardons are for the crimes that they have committed for not registering and opposing arrest.


as far as black panther. Diplomatic Immunity, he doesn't need a pardon and the US doesn't have the ability to arrest him. They can ban/exile him from the country but that is about the limit of their power.

[Rf2j]

rest of their lives? it's not rest of their lives its a minor sentence and then they stay in jail until they agree to register. You don't get a life sentence for not registering, you get a year? or so, provided you are willing to register at the end of the sentence. The pardons are for the crimes that they have committed for not registering and opposing arrest.

Well, to put it other way: I don't see certain heroes registering to get out of jail. Or staying registered after finding out how it goes. Like anybody remember how they coerced Wonder Man to do their job by threatening him with his past tax issues or something? It's just not a system that I can see people like Cap, Luke Cage or Daredevil agreeing to. And the way they are being hunted down pretty much means that rotting in jail is the other alternative.

[ShaggyB]

Black Panther and strom dont need one. They are a foreign government, if they get any kind of reaction it will be sanctions and trade blockage. There's is a political outlit, the rest are criminal

my bet is
sue
torchy
falcon
the young avengers
spidey offered one but refused


cap goes to jail, spidey goes on the run
and lets be serious back in the day the cops were always after him, mainly due to the bugle's reporting. Slowly they began to lighten up on him.

[maniacmatt]

Stingray is also on that Initiative cover.

[ReccaSquirrel]

I think Wolverine gets all of the pardons. One for every book he is in. Why? Because Tony Stark knows how much money Wolverine brings in to Marvel.

[Harding Prime]

Black Panther and Storm can't be touched...

And who said the act was going to be fully under law after all is said and done? The Pro side hasn't won yet...

[Captain Exaggeration]

Sue - Reed
Johnny - Reed
Captain America - Respect
Black Panther - Advoid international problems here
Young Avengers - They were just following Captain America
Daredevil - To lead a team.
Spider-man - respect
I don't think BP would need a pardon. He has diplomatic immunity.

[ivesaidway2much]

I don't think BP would need a pardon. He has diplomatic immunity. Black Panther, as the the head of a foriegn country, attacked U.S. officials lawfully carrying out their duties on American soil. That's an act of war. Given the T'Challa's actions, the President would be justified doing anything from throwing him into a POW camp to launching an outright assault on Wakanda.

[Kirk G]

I just had a thought.
Someone mentioned that the Radioactive man didn't need a pardon.
I wonder if HE might be the traitor that Tony refers to in the Frontline series.
When is the big reveal?

[XPac]

Black Panther, as the the head of a foriegn country, attacked U.S. officials lawfully carrying out their duties on American soil. That's an act of war. Given the T'Challa's actions, the President would be justified doing anything from throwing him into a POW camp to launching an outright assault on Wakanda.

Sure... why not. The US is already at war with the Inhumans, and on the verge of war with Atlantis. Why not throw Wakanda in there too while they are at it. Why not throw a world war on top of a civil war.

Yup, this whole registration thing just keeps on getting better and better.

[Loestal]

Sure... why not. The US is already at war with the Inhumans, and on the verge of war with Atlantis. Why not throw Wakanda in there too while they are at it. Why not throw a world war on top of a civil war.

Yup, this whole registration thing just keeps on getting better and better.

Inhumans don't count, they aren't people just freaks on the moon right? But in all seriousness, does the world at large recognize the Inhumans as a nation or whatever? I wouldn't see why they would, they are aliens.

[superfriend]

It seems likely the American people, if they're scared of superheroes in their own country, would be scared of other superheroes in other countries...especially entire countries made up of superhumans.

That would be hilarious if the MU Americans were so scared of superhumans as WMDs that they attacked the Inhumans like they did Iraq--claiming that the Inhumans are a possible threat to national security.

I really don't like the MU American people that much.

[corinthian_noire]

welll it looks like Cloak and Daggger are going to jail then doesnt it ... i mean no one cares about poor cloak and dagger. look how they realy screwed over Cloak at the reactor battle. Cloak is immmure to projectiles yet they tranqguned him.n thus i think they are going down big style unless i start a save cloak and dagger campaign. oh about the intiative... why the hell is Captain Britain on the cover. consdering that excalibur has remained neutral during the cival war event... hell new excalibur is the only marvel book i have read that hasnt been screwed up by this event. unlesss they are going for an avengers international thing rather then just an american thing.

[Pro]

I wouldn't see why they would, they are aliens.

Nope, they are humans, just with genetic alterations from the Terragen mist and Kree genetic manipulation, however their origin is firmly earth-based. Are mutants aliens too or does the fact they only recently diverted from baseline human beings make them more human?

[Pro]

mean no one cares about poor cloak and dagger.

I'd love to write a Cloak and Dagger book. They have been mostly ignored for the past decade.

As for the pardons i really wonder how that'll work ..

"Hey we nearly killed eachother over a law we all agree shouldn't have been pased in the first place if not for paranoid humans blaming us for deaths caused by a supervillain. How about i let you get out of jail free while i lock up all your friends?"

rest of their lives? it's not rest of their lives its a minor sentence and then they stay in jail until they agree to register.

Where have you read this because i certainly haven't read anything about the length of the punishment for opposing registration. And how would this work exactly work? Because as long as someone opposes registration they are against the law, criminals according to the letter of the law. So the problem will remain, either betray yourself or rot in jail. You can't really compare this to criminal activity where a criminal is obviously dangerous if released too early. A good similarity would be throwing people in jail for political beliefs and then lettting them sit in jail until they renounce their political ideals.

Registration has nothing at all to do with making the world safer, it's all about the american peoplewanting have a scapegoat every time people die because of supervillains. "Norman Osborn killed someone? Jail Peter Parker"

[Shadowdreamer85]

Are mutants aliens too or does the fact they only recently diverted from baseline human beings make them more human?

Mutants are the next stage in human evolution, not aliens. Because they have evolved from humans, they are considered a new species, Homo superior [Homo sapien superior if you wanna get technical]. For example, the mutants' ties to humanity would be closer than that of the Inhumans because they split off more "recently" from baseline humanity and still intermix with it, while the Inhumans were separated from it entirely thousands of years ago.

[Capt USA]

Where have you read this because i certainly haven't read anything about the length of the punishment for opposing registration. And how would this work exactly work? Because as long as someone opposes registration they are against the law, criminals according to the letter of the law. So the problem will remain, either betray yourself or rot in jail. You can't really compare this to criminal activity where a criminal is obviously dangerous if released too early. A good similarity would be throwing people in jail for political beliefs and then lettting them sit in jail until they renounce their political ideals.


common sense, considering that they are letting criminals get away with registering, and that not-registering has no legal reason for life imprisonment. If you refuse to register you will be locked up until you do register, that is more like a contempt sentence than an actual criminal sentence. Once a hero agrees to register there is no reason to keep them in jail, unless they have an outstanding warrant for another crime (such as resisting arrest)

[bulbasteve]

Mutants are the next stage in human evolution, not aliens. Because they have evolved from humans, they are considered a new species, Homo superior [Homo sapien superior if you wanna get technical]. For example, the mutants' ties to humanity would be closer than that of the Inhumans because they split off more "recently" from baseline humanity and still intermix with it, while the Inhumans were separated from it entirely thousands of years ago.

Nah mutants are just the result of the Celestials messing up ancient man's DNA so that nuclear stuff with cause superpowers, they are just as umm inhuman as the inhumans. Both are just strains of regular humanity who have been tampered with, neither is the next stage of evolution or anything like that.

But aliens are sub anything, we should kill em all!

[roundman]

Hercules, because Cap America would only accept if his two buddies could get one too.

Would Hercules need a pardon? He's a Greek God; wouldn't that put himbeyond the reach of human law enforcement? I could see an attack on the U.S. Government headed by Zeus himself if the govt. somehow imprisoned Hercules.

[brainfloat]

I really doubt Spider-Man will get a pardon because the News is making him look like a villian now that he defected.

[Becoming An Anthropologist]

I hope Spider-man doesn't get pardonned and that marvel doesn't just try and push him back into the "Status Quo" type storylines. Because I really haven't like anything post The Other.

Besides Spider-man, I'm pretty sure Invisible Woman and Torch are guranteed pardon, for obvious reason. Daredevil will also probably get pardonned and become a team Leader. (I also think it's about time DD got away from all this being wrong prosecuted and hated by the media buisness.) Lastly, I'm guessing Black Panther will get pardonned. I admitedlly don't know much about what's been happening with him for quite awhile, but I do know he did only recent join the resistance campaign and that since he's the leader of Wankanda him being prosecuted could cause a worldwar.

[Pro]

common sense, considering that they are letting criminals get away with registering, and that not-registering has no legal reason for life imprisonment. If you refuse to register you will be locked up until you do register, that is more like a contempt sentence than an actual criminal sentence. Once a hero agrees to register there is no reason to keep them in jail, unless they have an outstanding warrant for another crime (such as resisting arrest)

So like i said it's tossing people into jail for political beliefs, not because they are a danger. "You don't agree with me? Then rot in jail until you do".

[-S-Man-]

Sorry if anyone has already pionted this out... but I don't think that Black Panther would need a Pardon because he has Diplomatic Immunity to begin with anyway. The only thing that the government could do is deport him back to Wakanda and refuse re-entry into US land. I'm wondering thought would that be the same for Storm too? I mean, she's Amrican but she's married to a Wakandan diplomat. Would his diplomatic immunity include her too? If it doesn't (and Storm is imprisoned in the Negative Zone) then IM, RR and SHIELD are gonna have a very pissed of king and husband to deal with.

I'm kind of split on whether Spidey should get a pardon. I'm more used to spidey being on the wrong side of the law fighting the good fight (if it can be considered the good fight any more*).

Didn't Cap refuse the pardon as long as other heros a falsely be imprisoned. I don't think that he would accept the pardon while others are rotting away in prison waiting for Cap to set them free.

I think its a bit of a cop out that Sue and Johnny get a pardon just because they are related to Reed in one way or another. It just adds more to the argument that they are both spoilt. I'd rather give their pardon to someone who really deserves it.

1. Daredevil (Danny Rand)
2. Cloak
3. Dagger
4-9. Young Avengers
10. Captain America
11. Falcon
12. Luke Cage

If Cap doesn't accept his pardon then Spider-Woman

*Anyone how fights for the peoples freedom is right in my opinion. But others might not agree so there.

[John Nowak]

Would Hercules need a pardon? He's a Greek God; wouldn't that put himbeyond the reach of human law enforcement? I could see an attack on the U.S. Government headed by Zeus himself if the govt. somehow imprisoned Hercules.

That's a fun question. Hercules was sued in She Hulk, so he's subject to laws. Is he an illegal immigrant? Probably not, because he's worked for pay in the US, apparently legally...

[The Cool Thatguy]

Sorry if anyone has already pionted this out... but I don't think that Black Panther would need a Pardon because he has Diplomatic Immunity to begin with anyway. The only thing that the government could do is deport him back to Wakanda and refuse re-entry into US land. I'm wondering thought would that be the same for Storm too? I mean, she's Amrican but she's married to a Wakandan diplomat. Would his diplomatic immunity include her too? If it doesn't (and Storm is imprisoned in the Negative Zone) then IM, RR and SHIELD are gonna have a very pissed of king and husband to deal with.

Storm would be covered under Panther's diplomatic immunity as she's a national leader along with T'Challa. Neither would need a pardon, though if you think about it, Panther's actions alone would be enough to cause an international incident, as he's taking an active part in the U.S's internal politics.

[XPac]

That's a fun question. Hercules was sued in She Hulk, so he's subject to laws. Is he an illegal immigrant? Probably not, because he's worked for pay in the US, apparently legally...

In She-Hulk, we do see gods and aliens alike going to court. So I suppose it's possible.

Personally, if I were the US government I'd give gods like Hercules the same free pass they gave Dr. Strange. I wouldn't want to risk ticking off any gods. We saw how mad Zeus was at the Avengers when he thought they were at least indirectly responsible for his sons death. I can't imagine Zeus standing for Hercules being imprisoned in the negatize zone.

The same I imagine would be true for Thor when he returns.

[DMike]

In She-Hulk, we do see gods and aliens alike going to court. So I suppose it's possible.

Personally, if I were the US government I'd give gods like Hercules the same free pass they gave Dr. Strange. I wouldn't want to risk ticking off any gods. We saw how mad Zeus was at the Avengers when he thought they were at least indirectly responsible for his sons death. I can't imagine Zeus standing for Hercules being imprisoned in the negatize zone.

Yeah, but didn't Zeus die at the end of the Ares mini anyway?

[Kurosaki]

i'm not entirely sure if the Young Avengers need presidential pardons as their 'get-out-of-jail-scot-free-card.' yeah, yeah, "but joining the anti's would be a federal offense, yada yada yada." but is it even possible to convict a minor of treason and espionage? even if they are tried (as adults), i doubt they could be found 'competent' enough to be convicted. plus, if they aren't pardoned, i don't see the MU USA public being that surprised; "they knew full well what they were getting into; they should know better." they would be tried, given a slap on their wrists, be found 'not guilty,' and be off on their way to joining the initiative.

also, i'm thinking Spidey isn't gonna be offered a pardon, seeing as Tony has now taken up the mantle of "he who giveth {pardons}, and he who taketh away" (a messiah complex if i ever saw one) & he and Peter didn't exactly leave on great terms.

sooooo, if neither the Young Avengers nor Spidey are pardoned, then there are still ten slips up for grabs (excluding Sue and Johnny).

& if Cap or anyone else was offered a pardon and he refused, would it just be passed onto someone else? or would it be voided?