Squadron Supreme: Hyperion vs. Nighthawk #1 - Spoilers

[StoneGold]

Nighthawk lures Hyperion to Sudan with a piece of his spaceship, then somehow kicks the crud out of him.


That's basically it. There are some Tales of the Sudan to make you feel guilty for living in a country where there isn't institutionalized rape, and some brutal looking artwork from Gulacy.


Occasionally a little too brutal.



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That's as far as it went, but damned if it didn't shock the hell out of me.

[Johnny Blaze]

It did get bad, but not unnecessarily so. I thought it was really cool how all the money from the writing is going to Darfur. #2 will be interesting, when we see how exactly Nighthawk managed to actually fight back. I also want to know why he waited until he did.

[ForEverAncien]

As he said, "I got plans..."
It did get bad, but not unnecessarily so. I thought it was really cool how all the money from the writing is going to Darfur. #2 will be interesting, when we see how exactly Nighthawk managed to actually fight back. I also want to know why he waited until he did.

[wulfstone]

i was quite miffed about waiting for ss#8 but this should tide me over nicely
so supremeverse kryptonite perhaps?

[Sparda]

What the hell did Hyperion do that made Nighthawk want to beat him up? Is he still on the "I hate white people so I'm not saving them attitude"?

[Cayman]

It was good. Guggenheim effectively preserved the feel of Supreme Power/Squadron Supreme. Well done.

[Kevin Vetter]

Did you skip the first part of the issue? When hyperion caught him breaking into the military base he beat the hell out of him, broke his jaw and taunted him while doing it.

[G. Wayne]

Nighthawk lures Hyperion to Sudan with a piece of his spaceship, then somehow kicks the crud out of him.


That's basically it. There are some Tales of the Sudan to make you feel guilty for living in a country where there isn't institutionalized rape, and some brutal looking artwork from Gulacy.
...

*grumbles*

The artwork in the previews I've seen does look brutal, alright. As in brutally out of proportioned crap. Argh. Wasn't planning on picking this up pretty much do to the artwork alone, but Hyperion's actions in the story /may/ make up for it.

[berk]

I have the opposite view from G.Wayne: my interest in the characters and this story is close to zero, but I glanced at the artwork in the store and thought it was outstanding. The fight scenes in particular were beautifully designed; too bad it's being wasted (for me) on these supah-heroes. I love it when Gulacy does his own inks. If they release this in a PPB without ads, I might have to pick it up just for the art, though I hate giving Marvel any money.

[StoneGold]

The thing about Gulacy, and this is true about a lot of older artists, their stuff seems to swing between sub-par and f'ing amazing. Because there were definitely some panels in the book that looked off, especially since the panels that did look good looked so good.

[ultramandingo]

i got it cuss of gulacy .always dug his master o kung fu . plus it was fun imagin'n bat man flying around in a jeep blasting a-holes . and crakin superjerks jaw......

[StoneGold]

i got it cuss of gulacy .always dug his master o kung fu . plus it was fun imagin'n bat man flying around in a jeep blasting a-holes . and crakin superjerks jaw......

That's the real fun of stuff like this, Nighthawk makes Batman look well-adjusted.

[G. Wayne]

I have the opposite view from G.Wayne: my interest in the characters and this story is close to zero, but I glanced at the artwork in the store and thought it was outstanding...

To each their own and all that. I'll admit I haven't seen the rest of this book, but Hyperion and Nighthawk both looked waaay off to me. Maybe I'm spoiled on Gary Frank's take on the characters, though Frank does have his own flaws.

[32Cage]

Count me in among the number of those who enjoyed this book. I have followed with great interest the most Supreme Power series and this Hyperion v Nighthawk is a more than adequate stand in for Squadron Supreme.

[cyclops2500]

I liked it. The relationship between these two always fascinates me. It's pretty simple, but I always got the idea that they could end up liking each other.

[lonewolf23k]

So... Basically, Nighthawk shoots up some villages in the Third World to lure Hyperion into an ambush...

...Are we supposed to still feel sympathetic towards the guy?

[Chris Thomas]

I actually don't think the comic shows the villian to be nighthawk. certainly he is the one fighting hyperion, but I don't think the evil dude at the start actually is nighthawk.

[StoneGold]

So... Basically, Nighthawk shoots up some villages in the Third World to lure Hyperion into an ambush...

...Are we supposed to still feel sympathetic towards the guy?

No. Nighthawk has never been sympathetic. At best he's an a-hole on the right side, at worst he's just an a-hole. He's psychologically scarred to make Batman look normal.

It's just that's he's ballsy enough to make you root for him.

[Beamish]

I stopped reading this book after I saw the panel with the rape, and returned it to to my comic book shop. I am so sick and tired of the recent trend of rape scenes in Marvel books.

[StoneGold]

I stopped reading this book after I saw the panel with the rape, and returned it to to my comic book shop. I am so sick and tired of the recent trend of rape scenes in Marvel books.

When has there been another?

[Beamish]

When has there been another?

Inertia's rape ordeal in the recent Squadron Supreme books, which was referred to and shown throughout a few issues. Hawkeye's (Kate Bishop) rape flashbacks in Young Avengers, Starfox's trial in She Hulk, just to name a few.

[maczero]

I'm chiming in late on this one, but gotta say I loved this. Everything from the story to the artwork. Something just seems so right about a super hero driving around in a jeep randomly shooting people.:D I also appreciated the commentary at the end. Inertia's rape ordeal in the recent Squadron Supreme books, which was referred to and shown throughout a few issues. Hawkeye's (Kate Bishop) rape flashbacks in Young Avengers, Starfox's trial in She Hulk, just to name a few.I gotta say these scenarios aren't quite the same. This scene was meant to highlight tragic events happening in Darfur. The examples you mentioned focus on the emotional trauma of fictional characters. Besides things like murder, kidnapping, and torture are fairly common crimes in comics and real life. Why should rape be off limits?

[ultramandingo]

Besides things like murder, kidnapping, and torture are fairly common crimes in comics and real life. Why should rape be off limits?

yea, but if the jandaween ( sp?) read this they will realize what a bunch of hackney clichés they are . and knock of all the genocinde.

[Mr Blinky]

This scene was meant to highlight tragic events happening in Darfur. The examples you mentioned focus on the emotional trauma of fictional characters. Besides things like murder, kidnapping, and torture are fairly common crimes in comics and real life. Why should rape be off limits?

While I'm in agreement with Beamish about this disturbing trend (so, the Black Cat only exists because Felicia Hardy was raped?! :mad: ), in this instance I think it would have been remiss of the writer not to include that scene. This is happening in the real world, and the writer wants to draw attention to it: it's not just there for cheap shock value.

As for the story itself, I'm liking it a lot so far, though more for the writing than the art.

I'm assuming that the 'mace' that Hyperion got squirted with is behind his sudden vulnerability? I'm guessing that Nighthawk wants to drag the U.S. into the conflict, and knows that he'll have to neutralise Hype before he can do that. Or maybe he just likes smacking him around; he does have one of those highly smackable faces. :)

[Haunt]

what wasn't made clear (to me) was how Nighthawk escaped to show up in Africa. Hyperion caught him breaking into a military installation. shoulnd't he be in prison?

[Mr Blinky]

what wasn't made clear (to me) was how Nighthawk escaped to show up in Africa. Hyperion caught him breaking into a military installation. shoulnd't he be in prison?

I think he escaped, while Hyperion was momentarily blinded by the cloud of mace. I think that's what happened. Otherwise, I think it would have been mentioned that Nighthawk was supposed to be in custody, or escaped at such-and-such a time or something.

Not quite getting how Nighthawk could use maybe five seconds breathing space to escape from an opponent with X-ray vision, super hearing and super speed, though. :confused:

[Kevin Vetter]

I don't think hyperion would have taken nighthawk into custody. If it didn't look like he did all that much at the base I think hyperion would have sent him on his way after the beating. If it was someone other than nighthawk though I think he probally would have taken him in.