Cable Arc = Too many questions to answer?

[onefutui2e]

*Warning: SPOILERS*

Hi all, new to these forums and all. Just wanted to share my thoughts on the whole Cable arc. While I think this stands as a good arc by itself, I feel that it leaves WAY too many questions, enough so that I don't think one more issue can answer them all without overwhelming the reader. Among these include:

1. Nature of adamantium. Cable lost his healing factor, so it would be assumed the poisonous adamantium should've killed him, but he's still alive. The fact that the metal is poisonous is the central reason why Wolverine was the only mutant able to get it done successfully (along with Sabretooth) in the MU. If it turns out not to be the case in UM, then...what makes it unique?

2. Speaking of healing factor, how did he lose it? how did he lose his other arm? who's the "they" he talks about?

3. What exactly HAPPENED in the future that led Cable to wanna kill Prof X?

4.. at this point we can safely conclude that he is, indeed, wolverine from the future. Why did he change his name to Cable?

5. not a question, just an opinion. the "i love jean" from prof X really came out of left field IMO :confused:

there's probably more questions, but i think these are the ones that stand out.

i hope these issues get resolved in a satisfying way, and hope kirkman doesn't just sweep it aside. does anyone else feel this way?

[creaky]

6: Why is Cable taller than Wolverine?

[Aaron King]

Welcome to CBR. It's a good first post. So good, in fact, that I don't know if I have any answers.

As far as the healing factor, well, maybe adamantium isn't poisonous. Maybe Wolverine and Sabretooth just needed healing factors to survive the "installation" procedure. Once it was in, though, they were fine.

Please bring me my no-prize.

[Joe Acro]

In the future, he was a government operative of some sort. Perhaps they changed his name.

[creaky]

Oh yeah, I don't think adamantium is poisonous in the Ultimate universe?

[kel25]

Doesn't Hammerhead have adamantium for his skull? At this point I doubt it is poisonous.

[MikeVic]

I loved Ultimate X-Men, and I think this arc has taken its toll on me. I have the same questions you raised, but tried to look away. The one thing that really bugged me was Prof. X declaring his love for Jean. Where DID that come from?? And the way it was presented in the last 2 pages of the issue just felt weird too.

[onefutui2e]

yes...why IS cable taller than wolverine? haha i missed that one!

i think these questions would would work in a 5-6 issue arc, but considering there's only one more left, i think it explains why issues 79 and 80 are appropriately named The Aftermath.

[rwsmith]

6: Why is Cable taller than Wolverine?

Because Logan is not supposed to be short in the Ultimate Universe. He's more Hugh Jackman-like.

Seems like the artists often forget that, though.

[rwe1138]

6: Why is Cable taller than Wolverine?

Simple. In the future Logan gets implants like Griff in Back to the Future 2. ;)

[karasu]

Seems like the artists often forget that, though.


Thank goodness.

[justanotherfan89]

WARNING: this could sound repetitive
So i know that some people are upset with the whole Xavier loving Jean thing, but I don't think it is Kirkman's fault.

Just hear me out, but I think think Xavier first started developing feelings for Jean during Bendis' run. Remember when Jean was in her room talking to someone but we didn't know who? (it is not the phoenix because the text bubbles were white) I think it was Xavier which makes since because he says "The professer is here for you, and so am I." Meaning that as a teacher Xavier is there for Jean, but also as a person/lover. This might sound stretched to some of you, but if that wasn't Bendis' orignal plan I could see Kirkman pulling a recton and saying it was Xavier.

Then in Vaughn's run, Xavier sinced flip back and forth with feelings because he would get angry whenever Jean called him Charles. I would say Jean had developed some feelings for Xavier, but he would try and deny his "love" for her and tried to keep a student/teacher relationship.

Leave it to Kirkman to tie everything together, but this probably has been an ongoing plot line. Remember the "Colossus being homosexual" plot started during Millar's run but wasn't fully revealed till Vaughn's.

So there it is, some of you might think I am on crack but oh well. Just remember that the Ultimate Xaver is not perfect at all, and has made questionable decisions in the past. Personally I would like to see Xavier continue a relationship with Jean and they leave the school together. It disgusts me, but it would keep me very interested. Believe it or not, there are many cases when teachers think they are in "love" with their students.

[Cam Man]

Um whats with those little Gremlins Cable was talking about when he had Jean prisoner? Is that a part of a story I missed or is it meant to show that Cable is bonafide insane or loosing his mind? Is Jean supposed to turn into the Goblin Queen in the future maybe? Or perhaps ultimate Cable just loads up on LSD before a big fight. Wierd.

[Shyft]

Um whats with those little Gremlins Cable was talking about when he had Jean prisoner? Is that a part of a story I missed or is it meant to show that Cable is bonafide insane or loosing his mind? Is Jean supposed to turn into the Goblin Queen in the future maybe? Or perhaps ultimate Cable just loads up on LSD before a big fight. Wierd.

The Goblins have been around for a few Arcs now. Cable cant actually see them i dont think, doesnt the line go something like "when you use your telekenesis, do you see Goblins doing all the work? (emphasis mine)

implying that Jean sees them acting out her powers, if you will. I agree, its probably the beginning of the Ultimate Goblin Queen arc. Its been done pretty well so far, we've seen the Goblins quite alot but no real mention of them..

[BizarroBeachHead]

I think a lot of your questions relate to why I havn't liked Kirkman's run. In Cable arc particularly, Kirkman seems to be using a lot of shock tactics. The most offensive being Rogue getting her arm blown off only so we could watch it regrow in seconds.

I doubt most of your questions have answers. They're just shock tactics.

Of course, I could be completely wrong, in which case I'd say Kirkman could improve his storytelling skills a bit.

[Nick MB]

Is adamantium poisonous in the 616? Didn't 616 Bullseye have his skeleton reinforced with it, and I don't think he has a healing factor...

[BizarroBeachHead]

Is adamantium poisonous in the 616? Didn't 616 Bullseye have his skeleton reinforced with it, and I don't think he has a healing factor...

No that was just his spine, not his entire skeleton, so ,uh, obviously he, uh...ah who cares?

[Joe Acro]

Is adamantium poisonous in the 616? Didn't 616 Bullseye have his skeleton reinforced with it, and I don't think he has a healing factor...I remember there being a reason why it doesn't poison him. I can't find that reason nor do I actually remember what it is if there truly is one.

[carabas]

Okay... this must be one of the most useless threads on these boards.

Regardles of what you think of the actual quality of the stories, Kirkman is not a trade writer. There were bunches of dangling plot lines from his previous 'arc', if you can call it that. He is not unlike Claremont in that respect.

Secondly, complaining that a story that isn't even done yet has too many unanswered questions is just plain stupid.

[onefutui2e]

Okay... this must be one of the most useless threads on these boards.

Regardles of what you think of the actual quality of the stories, Kirkman is not a trade writer. There were bunches of dangling plot lines from his previous 'arc', if you can call it that. He is not unlike Claremont in that respect.

Secondly, complaining that a story that isn't even done yet has too many unanswered questions is just plain stupid.

i don't think it's useless. i'm pointing out what i think are some glaring problems with the arc so far that i feel one more issue won't resolve unless we continually revisit it.

lots of questions are fine. i like being led into a cliffhanger, but when there's THAT many to be covered in an arc in its final issue, and given the current writer's hit-and-miss with previous arcs, then there's not much left to hope for.

i posted the questions to see what everyone else thinks about them and to see if there are other opinions too.

so before you try to tell me my post is useless, why don't you tell me what forums are meant to be used for?

[carabas]

Yes, but, Kirkman does not write in arcs.
Does not tie up every little bit of plot every three issues.
Likes long running subplots.
Hasn't even begun to resolve the plot strands begun in his first issue.

what you call the 'Cable arc', is not really an arc at all, but just three consecutive issues of Ultimate X-Men, featuring Cable, whomever he may be. Plus, what could be called the 6-issue Magician-arc (which does stand more or les on its own, Jean and Kurt aside) was for obscure reasons solicited as being two seperate 3-issue arcs, called 'Date Night' (which resolved no dating-related issues) and 'Rise of the Phoenix (which failed to resolve any Phoenix-related issues). Note that these totles are completely artificial, and when read back to back, you will not notice a clear delineation between them. They are not arcs, but just one 6 issue story arbitrarily divided into two chunks.

Speaking of long-running plotlines, anyone wanting to who or what Ultimate Cable probably is, take a peek at Ultimate X-Men #68, last page.

[Toboe]

Speaking of long-running plotlines, anyone wanting to who or what Ultimate Cable probably is, take a peek at Ultimate X-Men #68, last page.

That's what I thought when I first read issue 75, but the way Cable talked about Logan's life in the next issue made me doubt it... who knows, I just hope we get some answers in the next probably terrible as always issue...

[carabas]

Well, I suppose it could be a red herring, but if it is, it's an awfully smelly one.

[Yaw]

why is everyone saying that Cable is Wolverine?

I'm not seeing confirmation of this in the story (as of 78)/

[carabas]

-Cable says he's Wolverine.
-He has the claws
-Kirkman said he's Wolverine in an interview

[Yaw]

-Cable says he's Wolverine.
-He has the claws
-Kirkman said he's Wolverine in an interview

1. What issue?
2. For all we know everyone from the future could have claws.
3. missed that interview

Thanks!

[carabas]

1. What issue?

#76, page 2, final panel.
"Was I so easy to read back when I was you"?

[Yaw]

#76, page 2, final panel.
"Was I so easy to read back when I was you"?


Damn I just reread that issue and realized how much I missed. I guess the art really did bore me that much.

[cyclops2500]

After reading the whole thing, I gotta say, bleh. Who really cares? They took Cable, whose original origin couldn't be more gimmicky and went lame with it. The whole thing leaves me asking, who cares? Prof. X is dead, (maybe, probably not), but he's been such an ambiguous character since Millar left, I find myself not caring. He wasn't really guiding the students anymore. Just like Claermont era X-men, the team are driven by events, and they listen more to their field leader than their founder. It's sad how close this title mirrors its 616 counterpart.

[MarcSpector13]

I still think he was a clone that Sabretooth got Wolvies flesh for It was in that Date nite arc

[Gargus]

I just read it and what has me curious is why is professor x making that bubble around himself in the blast when the xwing crashed in the last issue? Maybe I missed him being telekenitic also or something.

I didnt know adamantium was supposed to be poisonus. I thought that was vibranium that took its toll on people.

[gravling]

I still think he was a clone that Sabretooth got Wolvies flesh for It was in that Date nite arc


I always assumed that was going to end up being X-23, somewhere down the line.

[Vapour Trail]

When the Six Pack were fighting Wolverine, one of them mentioned not being familiar or not being briefed on him. How and why did Cable erase peoples memories of Wolverine?

[sugarmanandrobin]

When the Six Pack were fighting Wolverine, one of them mentioned not being familiar or not being briefed on him. How and why did Cable erase peoples memories of Wolverine?

Well, if Ult. Cable really is Ult. Wolvy, then all he had to do was kill anyone who knew anything about his past extensively. And I doubt anyone was around long enough to divulge anything big about the Canucklehead seeing as how he's old and scar-ed in the future. This could be years and years and years after the last X-man has died. It has to be a long time if Bobby is a badass in the future.

[tetsuo]

Speaking of long-running plotlines, anyone wanting to who or what Ultimate Cable probably is, take a peek at Ultimate X-Men #68, last page.

I started reading UXM with #75. So what's in the last page of #68?
I don't mind being spoiled.

[carabas]

Sabretooth (who had just had a brawl with wolverine) dropping of a Logan-tissue sample at what looks like Weapon X.

[Big Fresh]

2. For all we know everyone from the future could have claws.


Man, the future's gonna be AWESOME!