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OverMaster

01-08-2007, 08:14 AM

Karl O'Neill

01-08-2007, 08:17 AM

We have lost KGBeast, the classic Ventriloquist, Hellhound, Ratcatcher, Magpie, Charaxes, Orca, the Spook, the Trigger Twins, Lynx, Black Mask, and maybe David Cain and Hush recently.

We don't need more Batvillains deaths in the foreseeable future, IMO.

dini should create more fresh ones.

more harleyquinn
roxy rocket
new Ventriloquist
riddlers now a good guy, i like this take

The Clock king should be re-introduced

bw38

01-08-2007, 08:17 AM

We have lost KGBeast, the classic Ventriloquist, Hellhound, Ratcatcher, Magpie, Charaxes, Orca, the Spook, the Trigger Twins, Lynx, Black Mask, and maybe David Cain and Hush recently.

We don't need more Batvillains deaths in the foreseeable future, IMO.

Well I'm not saying we NEED to kill off another villain. It's just a matter of who YOU would like to see get killed off. If you don't feel there is any villain you'd like to see get killed off then that's cool too.

rwe1138

01-08-2007, 08:25 AM

I was going to say keep 'em all alive, since I'm a big believer in "There's no bad characters, just bad stories." But then I looked at the list.

Some twips like Crazy Quilt, Gearhead & General don't deserve to live.

And if The Human Eraser, Penny Plunderer & Polka Dot Man have been retconned out of existence, I want to reintroduce them. So they can be killed off properly.

bw38

01-08-2007, 08:45 AM

rwe1138

01-08-2007, 09:04 AM

Such a cold heart. Bring them back to life just to kill them off again.

What can I say? Manhunter needs to add to her body count. :D

brundlefly

01-08-2007, 12:11 PM

Of the overused, annoying Bat-villains that I've wanted to see dead, two of them are already in that condition (Black Mask and Hush). Give me Jason Todd to make a trifecta and I'll be happy. :D

Kara Zor El

01-08-2007, 12:31 PM

I think that it would be a good idea to kill Bane off in a blaze of glory. He will never achieve the power he was had as the breaker of Batman and is always a let down when he returns. He was created for Knightfall and was a good villain but has never lived up to that greatness since. Somebody like Bane is all or nothing. After Azbats beat him and he flunked out in prison, he surely would have wanted revenge on Az and also to take out the Bat once and for all. This could have been great and lead to his death.

lllhouselll

01-08-2007, 01:00 PM

kill off ManBat but bring back HARLEY QUINN I MISS HER HOTNESS

mattx110

01-08-2007, 01:58 PM

scarecrow. i mean, all he does is scare people!
plus, it can be easily revealed he has an even more warped, demented, son he has experimented on, who quickly turns out more insane than his father ending all sympathy for the poor evil sonuvabatmanvillian.

protege

01-08-2007, 02:21 PM

Where did lazara first appear?

choptop

01-08-2007, 03:02 PM

Harding Prime

01-08-2007, 03:11 PM

Go Big! Go Penguin! He's lived out his character well, send him off in a big way.

choptop

01-08-2007, 03:30 PM

I was going to say keep 'em all alive, since I'm a big believer in "There's no bad characters, just bad stories." But then I looked at the list.

Some twips like Crazy Quilt, Gearhead & General don't deserve to live.

And if The Human Eraser, Penny Plunderer & Polka Dot Man have been nedretcon out of existence, I want to reintroduce them. So they can be killed off properly.

polka dot man has not ben nedretcon out of existence he wus in Nightwing sum time back.

bw38

01-08-2007, 03:45 PM

Go Big! Go Penguin! He's lived out his character well, send him off in a big way.
I've never really understood the point of the Penguin. I mean all the other villains they're really nuts, but Penguin, I just don't get. Why he continues to exist in Gotham City as a businessman with dealings in the black market is beyond me.

Kara Zor El

01-08-2007, 03:50 PM

I've never really understood the point of the Penguin. I mean all the other villains they're really nuts, but Penguin, I just don't get. Why he continues to exist in Gotham City as a businessman with dealings in the black market is beyond me.

You could say he just has a nose for it.:rolleyes:

shaxper

01-08-2007, 05:13 PM

It's time to kill Two-Face. We've watched Batman desperately work to save Harvey for years now. Watching him fully and irreversably fail would be fascinating. It would have profound meaning for Batman while, as Robinson has shown us, mindlessly killing the bit villains just for the sake of killing them is purposeless.

The Scribe

01-08-2007, 06:01 PM

The Joker with laughing gas. :D

This villain has been around long enough.

If Batman is the best detective on Earth he should have be able to stop him by now. Just like a lot of characters need new villains. If you want to keep a villain around you should update them and someone else needs to take up their "mantle." Like in the Flash with Boomerang.

lonewolf23k

01-08-2007, 06:38 PM

I'd kill off Great White Shark. Preferably by a New Orca, as an ironic twist...

Kolt

01-09-2007, 02:42 AM

SOLOMON GRUNDY!...

I know he's more of a JLA villian in general but I've always thought he worked great as Batman villian alone. Stylistically speaking, he really fits well into the whole gothic realm of Batmans world.

And I also understand that Grundy is much more physically powerful than the Bat' and that he technically can't be killed but I think it would be cool if Batman finally figured out some way to finish him off for good. Grundy is actually one of my favorite DC villians and I always thought that there was a kind of cool underlying sense of respect that Batman felt for him. Maybe even a sense of sadness or pity.

I don't know, maybe I'm off my rocker.....but....I just think that If or when Solomon Grundy finaly meets is doom it should be at the hands of Batman.

OverMaster

01-09-2007, 04:30 AM

the Trigger Twins got kill'd.............?

Yeah, in Infinite Crisis 7.

TheBatGotHim

01-09-2007, 05:00 AM

The Mad Hatter. Such a lame villain for Batman.

Belfast_Fanboy

01-09-2007, 05:22 AM

Comments:
Mad Hatter came into his own in Secret 6
The Great White shark NEEDS to go it doesnt make sense that a major player didnt try for gotham
Penguin cant die the stuff theyve done in the past when pengiun went "legit" was a brilliant idea batman could have took him down at anytime but lets face it kept him around cause he was more use to him that way.

Questions:
When did Hush die? was that not a waste?
Why does batman need new villians have past story lines in the past not shown that the best stories are from the old rouges@ the only story that has introduced a new villian recently that has made any sort of impact has been Hush and The red hood although everyone knew it was jason and it may have been dragged out a bit to long

brundlefly

01-09-2007, 08:00 AM

Questions:
When did Hush die? was that not a waste?

Nay, it was a blessing. :D

Happened at the end of GOTHAM KNIGHTS at the hands of the Joker. But the problem is we didn't see the body, so I'm sure he'll eventually turn up again with no explanation. Just hopefully not for a very long time, as Lieberman's GK was essentially "The Adventures of Hush, with special guest appearances by Batman."

Grazzt

01-09-2007, 08:57 AM

And if The Human Eraser, Penny Plunderer & Polka Dot Man have been retconned out of existence, I want to reintroduce them. So they can be killed off properly.

Actually, I think the Eraser should be reintroduced as a serious character. I mean, in this era of high-tech forensics, someone who can properly clean up a crime scene is a perfect support villain (like current Calculator). All he has to do is drop the absurd costume. I could even see him working for Calculator, and maybe the two of them making fun of each others' old costumes.

Kage Kisaragi

01-13-2007, 09:02 PM

Well im not gonna when it popularity contest so I don't have to be subtle. Poison Ivy. Yeah yeah, shes cute, yeah yeah her powers are a big deal when it comes to those possesed by the bats other rogues, shes definitely note worthy but all of this contributes to the fact that it'd would mean something if she did die. Lets face it Bats has wanted Ivy to be good for all the wrong reasons. "You're smart and beautiful." So? She's a nuts, and by that I mean certifible. When you start loving plants more than people something needs to be done. Maybe not kill her off entirely but do some kind of I don't know super mutation where she basically bonds with the earth permenately and greenifies 50% of north america or something. *shrug*

The Zapper

01-15-2007, 10:45 AM

If Hush isn't dead, then I vote for him. Otherwise Gearhead. I hated the stories he was in. He's just so....lame.

mattx110

01-15-2007, 08:21 PM

If Hush isn't dead, then I vote for him. Otherwise Gearhead. I hated the stories he was in. He's just so....lame.

hey, i've got like 10 issues of gearhead about to kill batman, and i still don't know how that storyline ended. i wasn't so good at getting all the parts of a story at the time, but i've got a whole buncha comics with him, and well, i'm still clueless. still, batman was never as bad as superman with storys never ending.

filthysize

01-15-2007, 09:42 PM

Er... I'd much rather have a Batman villain reinvented rather than killed off. Takes more creativity, and all that.

Like what Meltzer did with The Calculator? Yeah, that.

I loved what Brubaker did with the Hatter. Using his stupid hats to turn kids into suicide bombers. You tell me that he's lame then.

knightingotham

01-15-2007, 09:55 PM

Jason Todd needs to be beaten with a crowbar and blown to bits.

The Zapper

01-15-2007, 10:06 PM

I like how you think Knight. :D

Apathy Boy

01-16-2007, 12:03 AM

Clayface. Batman needs a good master-of-disguise type villain. But he does not need a giant shape-shifting lawn cigar for a villain.

RBHarmon

01-17-2007, 01:40 PM

I can't believe I read through this whole thing and nobody mentioned Mr Freeze. At first I thought his torture was cool but he's whole shtick has become worn out, and his slightly metahuman stature would make for a great victory for Batman. He freezes stuff and misses his wife. I think it's time to go.

Otherwise I agree with Jason Todd and Hush. They suck.

I can see the virtue in Penguin, specifically after I read No Man's Land. He's interesting in a weird although sane way.

Trey

01-17-2007, 02:46 PM

The Riddler just robs a convenience store and on the way out he stops to read MAD magazine, and then a rookie cop drives his squad car through the storefront and crushes the Riddler.

The Zapper

01-17-2007, 04:56 PM

I think Mr. Freeze just needs to be retooled instead of killed off. He hasn't been handled right for a while, but when he is, he can be a great character.

Azrael52

01-21-2007, 08:36 PM

Hmm, I'm not sure about Batman's villains, but I'd kill the entire Rogues Gallery of the Flash (except for a few).

PunisherFan

01-21-2007, 10:48 PM

Nay, it was a blessing. :D

Happened at the end of GOTHAM KNIGHTS at the hands of the Joker. But the problem is we didn't see the body, so I'm sure he'll eventually turn up again with no explanation. Just hopefully not for a very long time, as Lieberman's GK was essentially "The Adventures of Hush, with special guest appearances by Batman."

Hush didn't die he was in the Man-Bat mini-series which took place well after the Gotham Knights arc. Plus, there is no way Batman would let anybody kill anyone...let alone the Joker! As for a Bat villain I'd like to see dead...Zsasz. He has no powers and after killing like 80 million people I would think he would have died from all those scars he gives himself.

Paul Dee

01-22-2007, 05:23 AM

Hush didn't die he was in the Man-Bat mini-series which took place well after the Gotham Knights arc. Plus, there is no way Batman would let anybody kill anyone...let alone the Joker! .

Wasn't that Manbat mini out-of-continuity though?

brundlefly

01-22-2007, 10:24 AM

Wasn't that Manbat mini out-of-continuity though?

That's what I thought too, as it ignored not only Hush's demise (which I admit is up in the air, given that we didn't see a body) but also Kirk Langstrom's situation in Morrison's BATMAN along with Black Mask being dead (a death which has been confirmed, over in CATWOMAN). Hence I assumed it was just a bad out-of-continuity miniseries.

PunisherFan

01-22-2007, 02:55 PM

That's what I thought too, as it ignored not only Hush's demise (which I admit is up in the air, given that we didn't see a body) but also Kirk Langstrom's situation in Morrison's BATMAN along with Black Mask being dead (a death which has been confirmed, over in CATWOMAN). Hence I assumed it was just a bad out-of-continuity miniseries.

It was in continuity and took place before the 1 year jump... thats why Black Mask was in it. Also hence the police commissioner was the one prior to the 1 year later jump. The mini-series was terrible but it was in continuity. Gotham Knights ended with Hush thinking Batman didn't help him with his heart and would leave him to die against the Joker......I mean do you really think Bruce would let that happen? No way!!! It goes against everything he believes in and the joker has killed like 9 million people, if Batman were to let anyone die in that fight it would be Joker.

PunisherFan

01-23-2007, 04:15 PM

NathanielEssex

01-24-2007, 08:29 AM

How did Spook, Hellhound, Lynx, Trigger Twins, Charaxes, and maybe David Cain die? :confused:

rwe1138

01-24-2007, 09:00 AM

How did Spook, Hellhound, Lynx, Trigger Twins, Charaxes, and maybe David Cain die? :confused:

Spook: Killed by Bruce's son Damien, possibly by decapitation.

Hellhound: Killed by his boss during War Games.

Lynx: Killed during a fight with Batgirl. Resurrected during Infinite Crisis; killed again by Batgirl, body dressed as Batgirl & used to frame Robin.

Trigger Twins: Shot multiple times by Crimson Avenger, Vigilante & Wild Dog during the Battle of Metropolis in IC.

Charaxes: Ripped apart by Superboy Prime during the Battle of Metroplolis in IC.

David Cain: Shot in the head by Batgirl; his body later disappeared.

OverMaster

01-24-2007, 10:50 AM

You forgot Firefly, he died in that OMAC Project mini-series.

I have heard he appeared again in the Villains United Special later on, though. But I don't own that book, so maybe it was a new Firefly or something.

Darth Joker

01-24-2007, 12:39 PM

I agree with Bane.

Bane is to Batman what Doomsday is to Superman - i.e. he was good for a big major-part event way back when, but the character is more plot device than character, and he's not as firmly rooted in the broader Batman mythos as Riddler, Two-Face, Joker, and Penguin, are.

So, I'd go with Bane.

Sean Walsh

01-25-2007, 12:11 PM

I have heard he appeared again in the Villains United Special later on, though. But I don't own that book, so maybe it was a new Firefly or something.

Entirely possible, but the OMAC confirmed the original was dead.

The Society was franchising several costumed villains during that time, though. Thanks to that initiative, Hellhound and Black Spider (amongst others) live again with new people under the masks.

The_green_listener

01-27-2007, 11:48 AM

I'd kill off Great White Shark. He served his purpose brilliantly in LIving Hell but to me he just doesn't work beyond that. The twist in the fantastic Face the Face should have had me with my jaw open but I was more like " meh, oh yea him" He just doesn't have any effect on me now. Like I say the premise worked amazingly well but I think he's run his course

Constantine Drakon

01-27-2007, 01:30 PM

Spook: Killed by Bruce's son Damien, possibly by decapitation.

It's Damian, and yeah, decap. With a sword. Waste of a good idea, a villain that exists just to break villains out of jail.

Lynx: Killed during a fight with Batgirl.

The first time that she died she was struggling with Batgirl when one of her gangmembers decided to lend a hand. Unfortunately for Lynx, she managed to reverse Batgirl's pin at the wrong moment and got decapitated with the sword intended to kill Batgirl. Whoops.

Trigger Twins: Shot multiple times by Crimson Avenger, Vigilante & Wild Dog during the Battle of Metropolis in IC.

Yeah... but nobody gives a damn about that fight. Seriously. I will shake the hand of any writer that ignores any of the "deaths" from that farce.

David Cain: Shot in the head by Batgirl; his body later disappeared.

I think you might be the only one that really believes he's dead. The dudes meant to be guarding his "body" all got their necks broken. Prevailing theory is he got up, killed the people around him, and walked away.
"But he was shot in the head!"
"Yeah... but he was still talking afterwards. If someone can still talk after being shot in the head, don't bet on them staying dead."

filthysize

01-27-2007, 01:41 PM

Anyone remember the other Spook? From LotDK?

He was a government secret agent who thinks he's a ghost. Get it? What a wonderfully imaginative pun.

Ontir

01-27-2007, 02:41 PM

Damien puts on his Dad's costume, grabs a bat-cycle, and goes out joy riding. He gets the attention of the Joker, who confronts him, thinking the boy, the genuine article:

"I've got you now!"

"No," says Damien, firing a bullet into Joker's heart, "No you don't."

Damo

01-27-2007, 04:37 PM

It was an explosive dummy.

Damian dies in the explosion.

Fans everywhere rejoice.

OverMaster

01-28-2007, 04:53 AM

It was an explosive dummy.

Damian dies in the explosion.

Fans everywhere rejoice.

Batman: "Oh my God, Damian! NO!! Damn you to Hell, Joker! CURSE YOU!!".

*Slips into the shadows looking heartbroken, dramatically shaken...*

*Then he slips behind the scenes and walks to Joker, who is there waiting for him*

Batman (slipping Joker a pack of bills, and whispering): "Good job. Here, just like I promised...".

Joker (taking the money, also whispering): "You know, if we keep doing this to every brat that pushes you too far, some of these days, someone is bound to suspect about it...".