Time for a new Tigra ongoing?

[Homosensual]

With Ms Marvel back in her own series, shortly to be followed by Spiderwoman, and characters like the new White Tiger getting their own mini-series, is it time for Tigra to get her own ongoing series again?

Both as the Cat and Tigra she was once more than capable of holding her own, and Greer Nelson, for all the damage that has been done to the character, is still potentially one of the greats.

The Avengers Icons mini was a step in the right direction to restoring her cridbility, but Greer has so much more to offer.

What direction would you like to see Tigra heading in in future?

[DDM]

Tigra could do well with another limited series; however, I would like to see her return to The Avengers.

[John Nowak]

I could see her going in two different directions.

First, and probably better, would be something that followed her life on the police force. To me, it would be interesting if the basic approach were "It's a police comic with a superhero in it," rather than "it's a superhero comic with police in it."

Base some storylines on weird police anecdotes, like the time NYPD Emergency Services was called to get a fat woman out of a bathtub, next issue it's security at a convention of gods at the Javitz Center. Sometimes she helps out at the Bronx Zoo with the big cats.

Second would be to take her back to her horror roots. From West Coast Avengers and What If? we already know that the first Tigra was created around 1350 as a weapon against human mages: how do modern mages feel about Tigra being back?

[Siddon]

I'd like to see a 12 part maxi-series that starts with her death and goes back and tells the story of Tigra's last adventure.

[kcekada]

I liked the way the last mini focused on her human identity as Greer Grant Nelson... and didn't treat her as a sex-crazed tabby cat.

I'd like to see a follow up on that. Just a mini though. I think she works best in short doses.

[tangentman]

Personally, I'd love a well-written and well-drawn series of Tigra minis. Run with limited volumes as "Seasons", not unlike what has been done with Runaways and She-Hulk. Several excellent suggestions, and I think the best approach is incorporate ALL of them. Tigra function best in a brooding, dark story with the right amount of introspection. Bring humor at appropriate times to keep everything from going tediously "grim'n'gritty".

The foundation of the series could be "Greer functions primarily as a cop, but changes into Tigra for the crimes ordinary police can't handle." Even though she's helping out in "Civil War", her primary calling is that of "Police Officer". She found a sense of purpose that set her apart from "C-List Avenger". We need to see that play out.

For the "crimes cops can't handle" angle, follow the method used in the better issues of the old Spider-Woman series. Tigra tackles the weird cases. Period. If that's helping a fat woman out of the tub, then trying to stop a parasite that makes her eat and grow at ridiculous rates, so be it. If that means stopping Kraven, Jr. from accidentally bringing his dad back from the dead, bring it on.

A key element of Tigra is the war between her human/bestial sides. I think the best approach is comparing it with a person living with alcoholism. She'll never beat the "beast"; instead, Greer must accept that she's sharing head-space with a primal cat demon. The writer doesn't have to drown us in angst over it. Instead, we could see Greer use exercises that keep her human half dominant, or invoke the cat when humanity is a liability.

Explore Tigra's relationships, too! She has three exes still working in the superhuman community--does she stay in touch with Hank, Mark, or Simon? Where is she at in her rivalry with Firebird? Has that been resolved, or does she still look down on Bonita? How will she react to Hank choosing Bonita over Jan? IIRC, her father is still alive--let's see how they get along. How does Greer get along on her new job?

All these elements could make a good Tigra story.

Siddon: If Tigra died, I'd want that writer to use an obscure "Cat People" power from the old "Tigra" stories: the power to astrally project herself to a person of her choice before dying. A final "Tigra" story could be told by this projection, or at the very least, give Jessica Drew or Clint Barton the necessary lead to track down her killer.

[Will.S]

Tigra could do well with another limited series; however, I would like to see her return to The Avengers.

Oddly enough, I agree with DDM. She'd work well in either New or Mighty Avengers.

[Homosensual]

Some interesting points raised so far. I'm sure I still have a few old copies of Tigra lying around somewhere, but I don't recall the aspect of her being a nemesis of the mystic community - did this come to light during her tenure in WCA?

For me, the duality of the character is key, and while we're exploring relationships, let's not forget her friendship with the X-Men.

An offbeat, quirky cop series could work. She could use the resources at her disposal as a cop to hunt down supercriminals that regular cops wouldn't be able to handle.

Or she could use her Avengers connections to turn Dr Tumolo's lab into her own base of operations. I can see reasons why she might prefer to work alone - the whole duality of nature, and the struggle for dominance that comes with it being one. I'm not saying the police wouldn't call on her in times of need, but in the past Greer was always more of a loner, like Moon Knight.

[Mariah]

Personally, I'd love a well-written and well-drawn series of Tigra minis. Run with limited volumes as "Seasons", not unlike what has been done with Runaways and She-Hulk. Several excellent suggestions, and I think the best approach is incorporate ALL of them. Tigra function best in a brooding, dark story with the right amount of introspection. Bring humor at appropriate times to keep everything from going tediously "grim'n'gritty".

The foundation of the series could be "Greer functions primarily as a cop, but changes into Tigra for the crimes ordinary police can't handle." Even though she's helping out in "Civil War", her primary calling is that of "Police Officer". She found a sense of purpose that set her apart from "C-List Avenger". We need to see that play out.

For the "crimes cops can't handle" angle, follow the method used in the better issues of the old Spider-Woman series. Tigra tackles the weird cases. Period. If that's helping a fat woman out of the tub, then trying to stop a parasite that makes her eat and grow at ridiculous rates, so be it. If that means stopping Kraven, Jr. from accidentally bringing his dad back from the dead, bring it on.

A key element of Tigra is the war between her human/bestial sides. I think the best approach is comparing it with a person living with alcoholism. She'll never beat the "beast"; instead, Greer must accept that she's sharing head-space with a primal cat demon. The writer doesn't have to drown us in angst over it. Instead, we could see Greer use exercises that keep her human half dominant, or invoke the cat when humanity is a liability.

Explore Tigra's relationships, too! She has three exes still working in the superhuman community--does she stay in touch with Hank, Mark, or Simon? Where is she at in her rivalry with Firebird? Has that been resolved, or does she still look down on Bonita? How will she react to Hank choosing Bonita over Jan? IIRC, her father is still alive--let's see how they get along. How does Greer get along on her new job?

All these elements could make a good Tigra story.

Siddon: If Tigra died, I'd want that writer to use an obscure "Cat People" power from the old "Tigra" stories: the power to astrally project herself to a person of her choice before dying. A final "Tigra" story could be told by this projection, or at the very least, give Jessica Drew or Clint Barton the necessary lead to track down her killer.


Some interesting points raised so far. I'm sure I still have a few old copies of Tigra lying around somewhere, but I don't recall the aspect of her being a nemesis of the mystic community - did this come to light during her tenure in WCA?

For me, the duality of the character is key, and while we're exploring relationships, let's not forget her friendship with the X-Men.

An offbeat, quirky cop series could work. She could use the resources at her disposal as a cop to hunt down supercriminals that regular cops wouldn't be able to handle.

Or she could use her Avengers connections to turn Dr Tumolo's lab into her own base of operations. I can see reasons why she might prefer to work alone - the whole duality of nature, and the struggle for dominance that comes with it being one. I'm not saying the police wouldn't call on her in times of need, but in the past Greer was always more of a loner, like Moon Knight.
I am very much loving both of these ideas. I personally would love to see Tigra come into her own, without being a wild sex starved party pussy-cat.:p This was probably the worst thing that Shooter could have done while he was writing his short stint on the Avengers. That, and try to make Egghead a viable threat.

Although, I did love his Moondragon takes over a planet story.

Who would be your ideal writer/artist on this series? I'd personally like to see someone who can handle females accurately, and while also maintaining the crime/noir feel that her mini had, then I wouldn't mind several minis/an ongoing.

[Frank]

You know as much as I like Tigra the way most people know her, I always prefered her original look from her first appearance. To bring it in perspective, she didn't have a tail, her appearance was more wild lady than cat-lady. Sort of a more savage version of Mantis.

[protege]

Personally, I'd love a well-written and well-drawn series of Tigra minis. Run with limited volumes as "Seasons", not unlike what has been done with Runaways and She-Hulk. Several excellent suggestions, and I think the best approach is incorporate ALL of them. Tigra function best in a brooding, dark story with the right amount of introspection. Bring humor at appropriate times to keep everything from going tediously "grim'n'gritty".

The foundation of the series could be "Greer functions primarily as a cop, but changes into Tigra for the crimes ordinary police can't handle." Even though she's helping out in "Civil War", her primary calling is that of "Police Officer". She found a sense of purpose that set her apart from "C-List Avenger". We need to see that play out.

For the "crimes cops can't handle" angle, follow the method used in the better issues of the old Spider-Woman series. Tigra tackles the weird cases. Period. If that's helping a fat woman out of the tub, then trying to stop a parasite that makes her eat and grow at ridiculous rates, so be it. If that means stopping Kraven, Jr. from accidentally bringing his dad back from the dead, bring it on.

A key element of Tigra is the war between her human/bestial sides. I think the best approach is comparing it with a person living with alcoholism. She'll never beat the "beast"; instead, Greer must accept that she's sharing head-space with a primal cat demon. The writer doesn't have to drown us in angst over it. Instead, we could see Greer use exercises that keep her human half dominant, or invoke the cat when humanity is a liability.

Explore Tigra's relationships, too! She has three exes still working in the superhuman community--does she stay in touch with Hank, Mark, or Simon? Where is she at in her rivalry with Firebird? Has that been resolved, or does she still look down on Bonita? How will she react to Hank choosing Bonita over Jan? IIRC, her father is still alive--let's see how they get along. How does Greer get along on her new job?

All these elements could make a good Tigra story.

Siddon: If Tigra died, I'd want that writer to use an obscure "Cat People" power from the old "Tigra" stories: the power to astrally project herself to a person of her choice before dying. A final "Tigra" story could be told by this projection, or at the very least, give Jessica Drew or Clint Barton the necessary lead to track down her killer.

Man, i didn't know any of this stuff. Where can i find a Tigra history?

[DDM]

Man, i didn't know any of this stuff. Where can i find a Tigra history?

The Cat #1-4 (1st & O:The Cat), Giant Size Creatures #1 (1st & O:Tigra), & Marvel Chillers #3-5


After Greer Nelson became Tigra, Patsy Walker took Greer Nelson's original Cat costume to become Hellcat.

I think it's a mistake to focus on Greer Nelson without her Tigra identity. If you're going to call the series Tigra, you better have a story starring Tigra.

[DDM]

I'd like to see a 12 part maxi-series that starts with her death and goes back and tells the story of Tigra's last adventure.

I would go a step further by having Tigra solve her own murder before it happened; therefore, Greer would not be dead & you would have a good story out of it too. She could learn more revelations about the Cat People & herself in the process as the series moves on. Tigra could learn that a dark side of the Cat People exists & she is very much a part of this dark side since she became Tigra.

[TimmyTony]

Base some storylines on weird police anecdotes, like the time NYPD Emergency Services was called to get a fat woman out of a bathtub, next issue it's security at a convention of gods at the Javitz Center. Sometimes she helps out at the Bronx Zoo with the big cats.


sounds like she-hulk with fur

[protege]

The Cat #1-4 (1st & O:The Cat), Giant Size Creatures #1 (1st & O:Tigra), & Marvel Chillers #3-5


After Greer Nelson became Tigra, Patsy Walker took Greer Nelson's original Cat costume to become Hellcat.

I think it's a mistake to focus on Greer Nelson without her Tigra identity. If you're going to call the series Tigra, you better have a story starring Tigra.

Actually, i was talking about her relationships with the Avengers- what her relationships were with them, why she looked down on Bonita, why she and beast never hooked up, etc...

[Homosensual]

May seem a curious choice, but I wouldn't mind seeing Warren Ellis take a crack at this character in the crime/noir/supernatural genre that has been suggested. For an artist I think you could do worse than Alex Maleev.

[DDM]

Actually, i was talking about her relationships with the Avengers- what her relationships were with them, why she looked down on Bonita, why she and beast never hooked up, etc...

You will need to read Steve Englehart's West Coast Avengers #1-33 (second series) & West Coast Avengers Annuals #1-3. Tigra joined in West Coast Avengers #1-4 (first series).

Tigra was mad at Bonita running off after the team's second encounter with Master Pandemonium. When Bonita returned as La Espirita, Tigra held a grudge.

[tangentman]

You will need to read Steve Englehart's West Coast Avengers #1-33 (second series) & West Coast Avengers Annuals #1-3. Tigra joined in West Coast Avengers #1-4 (first series).

Tigra was mad at Bonita running off after the team's second encounter with Master Pandemonium. When Bonita returned as La Espirita, Tigra held a grudge.


Actually, Tigra resented what she perceived as Bonita's "self-righteousness" due to the latter's strong Catholic beliefs. She felt that Bonita was too much on the "preachy" side. No doubt, some of this was a projection of Tigra's guilt over impulsive sexual flings. At the time, Tigra was hitting bottom with her dual nature.

Speaking of which, the predatory aspect of Tigra's nature also contributed to her contempt for Firebird. Greer saw Bonita as weak, as a "little bird who got her wings clipped". The Whackos first met Firebird after she was soundly thrashed by Master Pandemonium. Bonita was confounded over why Tigra disliked her so much, but they wouldn't make peace until the entire team was reunited after being scattered through time.

[protege]

You will need to read Steve Englehart's West Coast Avengers #1-33 (second series) & West Coast Avengers Annuals #1-3. Tigra joined in West Coast Avengers #1-4 (first series).

Tigra was mad at Bonita running off after the team's second encounter with Master Pandemonium. When Bonita returned as La Espirita, Tigra held a grudge.

That's funny- i could've sworn I posted a response to this- where did it go? I was wondering about her relations to the Avengers- why she's so down on bonita, etc.

[John Nowak]

I'm feeling evil here, so I apologize:


Explore Tigra's relationships, too! She has three exes still working in the superhuman community--does she stay in touch with Hank, Mark, or Simon?

"Hey, Hank."

"Hi, Greer. You're looking better."

"Since you last saw me? Oh, yeah -- that's when I broke up with you. Then I de-evolved into an animal, you shrunk me down, and stuck me into a terrarium. Then I escaped and was nearly killed, but Harkness returned me to normal."

"Oh, yeah. Well, I was going to look for you, but --"

"Hank, has anyone told you you suck?"

"Not today, no."

"Hank, you utterly suck."

[Jerry W. Loper]

With Ms Marvel back in her own series, shortly to be followed by Spiderwoman, and characters like the new White Tiger getting their own mini-series, is it time for Tigra to get her own ongoing series again?

Both as the Cat and Tigra she was once more than capable of holding her own, and Greer Nelson, for all the damage that has been done to the character, is still potentially one of the greats.

The Avengers Icons mini was a step in the right direction to restoring her cridbility, but Greer has so much more to offer.

What direction would you like to see Tigra heading in in future?

I'd like to see a miniseries of at least 6 issues that explores Greer's connection to the Cat People. In Giant Size Creatures #1, it was revealed that Dr. Joanne Marie Tumolo was one of the Cat People, but if I'm not mistaken, no comic issue ever showed her drawn as a Cat person instead of a human. In an issue of WCA, the Balkatar told Tigra that there had been an entire series of Tigras down through the centuries; perhaps Joanne had been the one just before Greer. The same WCA issue gave me the impression that among the Cat People, a Balkatar was a sort of prince, and since it was customary for the Balkatar to marry the Tigra, that made the Tigra a sort of princess. The King of the Cat People (who for the purpose of the miniseries had once been a Balkatar) in those WCA issues didn't seem to have any Queen; my explanation for that would be that his Queen (or his Tigra), known to the outside world as Dr. Joanne Tumolo, had died in Marvel Premier #42. In a nutshell, my plot for the miniseries would be that the King and Queen had a daughter who turned out to be unfit to rule because of her cruelty and was thus banished; in her human guise on Earth as Joanne, the Queen took a fancy to a young widow named Greer, after Greer became an established superheroine first as the Cat then as Tigra, Joanne died (see Marvel Premier #42), which would bring us up to the present day when Greer finds out the King of the Cat People has died or is about to die, and the only heir apparent is the rotten daughter (whom Greer knows must not be permitted to rule, at all costs). P.S. Something extra that could be tossed into the miniseries would be that Joanne had once known and maybe even loved Greer's dad (but no, I'm not implying that Joanne was Greer's mom). Also, I dunno if Greer, as a Tigra, would be in line for the throne, considering she was born human.

[John Nowak]

Some interesting points raised so far. I'm sure I still have a few old copies of Tigra lying around somewhere, but I don't recall the aspect of her being a nemesis of the mystic community - did this come to light during her tenure in WCA?


What If #35, cover story What if Elektra Had Lived? has a backup story, And Thus Are Born The Cat People. describes the origin of the Cat People: they were cats, magically uplifted by a mage. Other mages uplift some other cats, and pretty soon they realize that the Cat People are a threat to man's dominance of the Earth. A low-level conflict between magic users and cat people breaks out. The Black Death is accidentally released in the process, dating these events to around the middle of the 14th Century.

Giant Sized Creatures #1 contains the origin of Tigra, or more correctly, the conversion of Greer Nelson into Tigra. Greer Nelson is exposed to lethal doses of Alpha radiation (which I'm pretty sure can only be lethal if you ingest it) and the Cat People try to save her life, turning her into Tigra. They appear to be surprised at the results, with the lines

"I don't believe it!"
"Our legends tell of one such as this!"
"Yes, in the dim past, a human woman who became one of us, a great warrior called Tigra."

"Warrior" implies a "war," and I could swear that in West Coast Avengers it was specifically stated that the first Tigra fought in a war against unspecified enemies.

Now, this is a jump and I admit it, but it seems so logical that I actually thought it had been exlicitly stated. The first Tigra was a warrior, and the only conflict that we know of which involved the Cat People was between them and human mages who were trying to banish them from Earth. And, well, if you were going to design someone to sneak into a medieval fortress and kill the mage that owned it, you'd come up with something very similar to Tigra: able to climb the walls, stealthy enough to sneak past the guards, and strong enough to fight her way out of trouble (at least, against 14th Century weapons). So it's logical to assume the first Tigra was an assassin used against various human mages around the 14th Century. At any rate, it's not much of a retcon, and to be honest, I thought it had been stated explicitly somewhere.



Or she could use her Avengers connections to turn Dr Tumolo's lab into her own base of operations. I can see reasons why she might prefer to work alone - the whole duality of nature, and the struggle for dominance that comes with it being one. I'm not saying the police wouldn't call on her in times of need, but in the past Greer was always more of a loner, like Moon Knight.

I'd like to draw deliberate parallels between her personality and felids. There's a danger here, one I'd like to avoid by shifting the emphasis. She is not a kitty cat. She is a goddamn tiger. Heck, her love life seems to be a pretty good match with a female tiger's: she likes men, but is very low maintenance, wants plenty of room, and gets irritated if they get too clingy.

So, the question is how much of her behavior is literally non-human, and how much is human, albeit extreme?

[John Nowak]

sounds like she-hulk with fur

Well, I've heard it said that cops generally consider Barney Miller to be the most realistic police show of all time... the truth is, I think, that real life is pretty hilarious. Talk to a veteran some time; odds are that the first thing he'll tell you is a funny story.

She-Hulk, I think, sometimes goes over into pure comedy, but the earlier issues of the Slott run had more of a "Here is a funny thing that happened to me in the Marvel Universe" feel to them. It's a hard target to hit, but I think that a "sometimes the world is so weird you have to laugh at it" tone is realistic, and it feels real.

[Homosensual]

Thanks for updating me on the Cat People, Jerry and John. I missed out on GSC #1, and only have a few of Tigra's own books, though I used to have some of Cat's stories in UK reprint format. Greer always struck me as being very strong and liberated, which is why much of her later portrayal has been disappointing to me. I've always felt she got a raw deal, and had a lot more to explore.

A Cat People story, done well, would be good, especially if it provided some sort of closure and allowed her to move on. Perhaps the king has another heir, and Tigra must help him or her do battle with this dark princess Jerry mentioned to secure the throne, and perhaps something for herself that allows her this closure.

[zeppelined]

Well, I suppose it's generally poor taste to quote oneself, but I posted this in the Fantasy Marvel Team thread, and I included Tigra in my team, plus my idea was very close to the "police drama" series that everyone is interested in. So here it is again. Lots of room for interesting character dynamics on this team, with three "cat-based" characters, plus the Greer/Patsy Walker connection.

I also have an idea for a new Tigra foe, a villain who can shapeshift into any member of the family Felidae. That includes housecats, tigers, lions, ocelots, pumas, etc. The villain's completely untamed nature would represent a challenge for Tigra to fight without allowing her own humanity to be subsumed.

And finally, I think any series with Tigra in it should occasionally play on the fact that she can't taste anything sweet.

Anyway, here's my team:


Shadow Squad

My fantasy team is a street-level group, cleaning up NYC (and other cities), taking on hard cases, solving mysteries, and busting heads when they need to. Their rogue's gallery would overlap Spider-Man's and Daredevil's quite a bit. The series would be gritty, but not grim. Plenty of action, but it would read more like an episode of NYPD Blue than a Hollywood action movie.

Black Panther - He's living in the U.S. temporarily because he feels he can serve Wakanda best by forging diplomatic ties. For political reasons, he can't serve as an Avenger, but he can't sit on his hands either, so he joins this team and lends his connections and resources to their efforts when he can.

Moon Knight - Back in the saddle and doing what he does best: fighting the good fight when the sun goes down.

Wolverine - In his classic yellow and brown costume. Dude's taking a break from all the X-drama for a while, putting six claws to work and being the best at what he does.

Tigra - Still working as a cop, but getting her furry on after hours.

The Thing - When the team needs serious muscle, they call in Ben Grimm. He isn't a full-time member (the guy has a full plate as it is), but he shows up pretty frequently.

Patsy Walker - Retired from being Hellcat, but still active as a private investigator, Patsy acts as "team mom," though still serving as a capable field agent. Has her powers, but her detective skills are at the forefront.

James Rhodes - Team pilot and driver, also dons the War Machine armor when more firepower is needed. That's a last resort, though.

Guest stars would include the usual NYC street-level hero crew.

[protege]

You will need to read Steve Englehart's West Coast Avengers #1-33 (second series) & West Coast Avengers Annuals #1-3. Tigra joined in West Coast Avengers #1-4 (first series).

Tigra was mad at Bonita running off after the team's second encounter with Master Pandemonium. When Bonita returned as La Espirita, Tigra held a grudge.

Oh- there it is- i thought i was reading the previous post.

[John Nowak]

And finally, I think any series with Tigra in it should occasionally play on the fact that she can't taste anything sweet.


Right; also that she can hear over a frequency range substantially larger than a dog can. Heck, can she even enjoy recorded music anymore? Even a modern stereo system would probably sound wrong to her.



My fantasy team is a street-level group, cleaning up NYC (and other cities), taking on hard cases, solving mysteries, and busting heads when they need to. Their rogue's gallery would overlap Spider-Man's and Daredevil's quite a bit. The series would be gritty, but not grim. Plenty of action, but it would read more like an episode of NYPD Blue than a Hollywood action movie.


I like the approach.



Tigra - Still working as a cop, but getting her furry on after hours.


Why after hours? I don't believe she has a secret identity, and I suspect that any police force would be happy to have somone with Tigra's abilities with them full time.

[John Nowak]

Greer always struck me as being very strong and liberated, which is why much of her later portrayal has been disappointing to me.

Yeah, a lot of her behavior seemed to come from nowhere, and even if it could conceivably work the tone was just wrong. To take the obvious for an example, she doesn't have to be handled as a bimbo to be promiscuous.

[Zel]

I've always liked the idea of exploring her mystic roots. Since the Tigras were designed to defeat mages it would make sense that Tigra would have some anti-mystical abilities.

It woudn't even be that hard to add in, you could say she's always had them, but her confidence issues kept her from accessing them. Since solving her husband's murder she's gotten self confident enough to realize her true potential.

Anti-magic abilities would also help differentiate her from the vast number of bullet-vulnerable, super-agile and super-strong brawlers out there in the mu.

Although I remember a Joe Friday where Quesada said he didn't like magic in the mu too much because it was so vague and undefined. So the magic angle might not be the vehicle to use.

Personality-wise like it if they moved past the confidence issues and made her tougher and more decisive. I'd keep the promiscuity, if they could portray it from a posotion of strength. She's fufilling her own needs not that she's trying to compensate for her insecurities or 'her cat-side made her do it'.

[Kirk G]

Tigra could do well with another limited series; however, I would like to see her return to The Avengers.

You must be joking. Tigra in a limited series?
I don't even recall the last one. Certainly my LCBS didn't even stock it!:rolleyes:

But I gotta agree that she's got some claws for Hank Pym next time they meet!

[John Nowak]

You must be joking. Tigra in a limited series?
I don't even recall the last one. Certainly my LCBS didn't even stock it!:rolleyes:


2002, I think, four issues. Mike Deodato did some wonderful panels for it.



But I gotta agree that she's got some claws for Hank Pym next time they meet!

Most people do, I think. I'm sure there's some who are still irked about Ultron.

[John Nowak]

I've always liked the idea of exploring her mystic roots. Since the Tigras were designed to defeat mages it would make sense that Tigra would have some anti-mystical abilities.

It woudn't even be that hard to add in, you could say she's always had them, but her confidence issues kept her from accessing them. Since solving her husband's murder she's gotten self confident enough to realize her true potential.


My role-playing game background may be showing here, but I'm not sure how much she'd really need on top of what she's got. She's got raw speed up the wazoo, so she could probably break an average mage's jaw three or four times while he's trying to say, "With the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak, I entwine thee." If we assume it takes time to cast spells of protection and attack, she might have a substantial edge against most human mages already. Stephen Strange, probably not, but he's one of the iconic Heavy Hitters and is probably too smart to let himself get into a position where he needs to cast a spell before someone can deck him.

I'd give her some abilities she might not even know she has. Perhaps she can sense magical effects that are normally invisible; perhaps she is very difficult to detect using magic.

Suppose you have a spell that puts a single person to sleep. Cast it on Tigra, and you knock out Greer -- but then her second soul takes over, and it's probably a lot more violent than Greer is. Same with mind control spells and the rest. They work on her, but you need to hit her twice to stop her.



Anti-magic abilities would also help differentiate her from the vast number of bullet-vulnerable, super-agile and super-strong brawlers out there in the mu.

Although I remember a Joe Friday where Quesada said he didn't like magic in the mu too much because it was so vague and undefined. So the magic angle might not be the vehicle to use.


True. I kind of agree with Quesdada there, but there's also a fair amount of fantasy fiction where magic has strict rules and the story is driven around those rules. Death Note is an example. So maybe the problem really is that these rules haven't been defined.

And of course, there's no reason that different schools of magic in continuity would have to use the same rules -- so just because Strange's magic follows one set of rules doesn't mean Dormammu's magic follows the same set. So then you'd still have diversity between characters while keeping the rules for each character. The Staff of One from Runaways is a neat example.



Personality-wise like it if they moved past the confidence issues and made her tougher and more decisive. I'd keep the promiscuity, if they could portray it from a posotion of strength. She's fufilling her own needs not that she's trying to compensate for her insecurities or 'her cat-side made her do it'.

I'd keep the promiscuity too, mostly because it's too ingrained in the perception of the character to lose. Confidence, yeah, although I could see just about anyone being a bit rattled working with Captain America and Thor. Personally, I've never met anyone more self-confident than a cat.

[Mariah]

You must be joking. Tigra in a limited series?
I don't even recall the last one. Certainly my LCBS didn't even stock it!:rolleyes:

But I gotta agree that she's got some claws for Hank Pym next time they meet!
Too bad, it was really good. I liked it more than I did the Vision Avengers Icon Mini, and that was excellent too, imo. Christina Z and Mike Deadoto did a really fantastic job on it.

[The Scribe]

With Ms Marvel back in her own series, shortly to be followed by Spiderwoman, and characters like the new White Tiger getting their own mini-series, is it time for Tigra to get her own ongoing series again?

Both as the Cat and Tigra she was once more than capable of holding her own, and Greer Nelson, for all the damage that has been done to the character, is still potentially one of the greats.

The Avengers Icons mini was a step in the right direction to restoring her cridbility, but Greer has so much more to offer.

What direction would you like to see Tigra heading in in future?

I'd like to see her on The Avengers again. She's underrated.

But, I already have plans for her in The Falcon comic I'm going to write for Marvel. ;)

[zeppelined]

Why after hours? I don't believe she has a secret identity, and I suspect that any police force would be happy to have somone with Tigra's abilities with them full time.

Couple of reasons. The current anti-costumed hero climate could mean the force doesn't want a "furry freak" wearing a badge, even if she is registered. Bad PR. Also (and it's been a few years since I read it, so this is IIRC), in the Tigra Icons series, which successfully updated and modernized the character as far as I'm concerned, I believe she downplayed her Tigra identity while doing official police work. I think her reasoning revolved around being a successful cop without "cheating." There may also have been some secret ID issues as well, since there were certain people whom she didn't want to know who she really was.

My last reason involves the Shadow Squad team itself. Wasn't she in Chicago for the Icons series? So in my series, we'd learn that she moved to NYC for a fresh start, because even though she successfully uncovered the corruption on the force, it made for a tough working environment. The nature of Shadow Squad is that they try to get a lot done behind the scenes, without the bad guys immediately knowing a bunch of capes are onto them. If Greer worked her police beat as Tigra, that's pretty high profile. Counterproductive for Shadow Squad.

The presence of Patsy Walker on the team, with her extensive occult experience, would definitely open the door to explorations of Tigra's mystic origins.

[John Nowak]

But, I already have plans for her in The Falcon comic I'm going to write for Marvel. ;)

Sounds like fun -- I could see them using "Sylvester" and "Tweety" for their radio call signs.

[John Nowak]

Couple of reasons. The current anti-costumed hero climate could mean the force doesn't want a "furry freak" wearing a badge, even if she is registered. Bad PR.


Possibly, yeah...



Also (and it's been a few years since I read it, so this is IIRC), in the Tigra Icons series, which successfully updated and modernized the character as far as I'm concerned, I believe she downplayed her Tigra identity while doing official police work. I think her reasoning revolved around being a successful cop without "cheating." There may also have been some secret ID issues as well, since there were certain people whom she didn't want to know who she really was.


When this thread opened up I reread it, so I'll field that.

In the story, Greer Nelson was investigating the death of her husband, Bill Nelson. She did so using the nom de guerre "Greer Sorenson," so nobody would connect her with either Tigra or her husband. But I don't think there was any indication she was concealing the fact that Greer Nelson was Tigra -- when someone identified "Greer Sorenson" as "Greer Nelson," she immediately turned to Tigra while he could see her.

This, I think, was a glitch; if the Tigra / Greer Nelson link is secret, she should have tried to keep her secret; on the other hand, if it's public knowledge, then the other guy should have realized Tigra was Greer Nelson.



My last reason involves the Shadow Squad team itself. Wasn't she in Chicago for the Icons series?


Unfortunately, no; it's a continuity glitch. The miniseries took place in New York with the NYPD.



So in my series, we'd learn that she moved to NYC for a fresh start, because even though she successfully uncovered the corruption on the force, it made for a tough working environment.


That works.



The nature of Shadow Squad is that they try to get a lot done behind the scenes, without the bad guys immediately knowing a bunch of capes are onto them. If Greer worked her police beat as Tigra, that's pretty high profile. Counterproductive for Shadow Squad.


It basically comes down to whether or not she has a secret ID, I think... if not, how could she keep it from her superiors? And wouldn't they rather have Tigra on a SWAT or (in NY) Emergency Services unit than another officer?



The presence of Patsy Walker on the team, with her extensive occult experience, would definitely open the door to explorations of Tigra's mystic origins.

And that would be a lot of fun. If Patsy's a demon hunter, and Tigra's at least technically demonic...

[The Scribe]

Sounds like fun -- I could see them using "Sylvester" and "Tweety" for their radio call signs.

:D

.............

[Constantine Drakon]

I want Officer Tigra back. And I'm cross at how she's being handled.

And, like everyone that likes a character, I'm praying she makes it out of Civil Wha? alive.

[XPac]

I'm not sure anything we've seen lately from Tigra would warrent a series. I suppose there might be some potential with her possibly being a spy but I can't see that winning her too many fans.

I have nothing against Tigra, but there are a lot of characters I'd sooner see getting their own series than her.

[John Nowak]

:D

.............

She's Tweety. He's Sylvester.

You know, to fool people.

[The Scribe]

She's Tweety. He's Sylvester.

You know, to fool people.

That's Ok, I have other plans for them. ;)

[Leebenhouse]

I'd read a Tigra book if it was the "COPS" of the Marvel universe. Basically, sometimes, you have a hardboiled crime epic, othertimes you have a naked supervillain cracked out on MGH.

Of course House of M ruined the other good idea, mutant white trash domestic disturbance.

I've worked with Cops before, and oh boy they can tell you stories. The **** they have to deal with...

Hence a superhero cop would be as interesting to read as a superhero lawyer.

[Mitchel]

I'm all for a Tigra mini-series. An ongoing I would support but I would be afraid of too many heroine books competing with one another. We already have Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk and Spider-woman. Realistically one of these will get eventually cancelled. I loved the Deodato limited series of some years ago and would love to see Tigra again in something in that vein.

[zeppelined]

It basically comes down to whether or not she has a secret ID, I think... if not, how could she keep it from her superiors? And wouldn't they rather have Tigra on a SWAT or (in NY) Emergency Services unit than another officer?


Hm. It seems clear with her appearing on the pro-reg side of fights that she is registered, so it's probably safe to assume she's not using a secret ID. I'm still not sure how the PD would handle a regular beat cop who regularly transformed into Tigra (cat hair is a pain to vaccuum off the seats of a Crown Vic, man). How about this: post-Civil War, the NYPD forms a special SWAT unit made up of superhumans. Tigra's on it. Of course, this would have worked better pre House of M, but there are still bound to be a bunch of lower-level supers around who could be put to use after their mandatory SHIELD training. Maybe even a spare Guardsman armor or two.

In this case, Greer gets frustrated by PD beaurocracy hindering her in certain cases, so she hooks up with my hypothetical team to get some things done off the clock. Maybe she needs to disguise herself as Tigra to avoid getting in trouble with the chief? Nah, that's a pain. Let's say she and the chief have an "understanding" about her extracurricular activities.

Thanks for the comments and the Icons recap. :-)


I'm not sure anything we've seen lately from Tigra would warrent a series. I suppose there might be some potential with her possibly being a spy but I can't see that winning her too many fans.

As much as I love Tigra, I don't think she could provide the sales to support her own series. I do think she should be moved back into the spotlight in a team book, however. Casting my own team idea aside, realistically she could be a Mighty Avenger or even work with Heroes for Hire.

[Mariah]

I'm all for a Tigra mini-series. An ongoing I would support but I would be afraid of too many heroine books competing with one another. We already have Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk and Spider-woman. Realistically one of these will get eventually cancelled. I loved the Deodato limited series of some years ago and would love to see Tigra again in something in that vein.
That's bunk to me. How come there can be too many heroine books, but 3 ongoing Spider-Man books, 2 ongoing Wolverine books can remain? Yes, I know, it's a mostly male dominated genre, but look at how long Wonder Woman's remained. If the people at Marvel knew what was good for their characters, they'd put their BIG NAME creators time and energy in making great mini's and ongoing's with the character's that don't currently have a book to draw in others who finally see how cool a character can be. Look what Bendis did with Spider-Woman. Jessica Drew was a pretty much, eh, she used to be Spider-Woman, big deal. She'd been replaced twice already and she probably wouldn't be getting any attention anytime soon.

[zeppelined]

That's bunk to me. How come there can be too many heroine books, but 3 ongoing Spider-Man books, 2 ongoing Wolverine books can remain? Yes, I know, it's a mostly male dominated genre, but look at how long Wonder Woman's remained. If the people at Marvel knew what was good for their characters, they'd put their BIG NAME creators time and energy in making great mini's and ongoing's with the character's that don't currently have a book to draw in others who finally see how cool a character can be. Look what Bendis did with Spider-Woman. Jessica Drew was a pretty much, eh, she used to be Spider-Woman, big deal. She'd been replaced twice already and she probably wouldn't be getting any attention anytime soon.

I'd agree that there certainly ought not to be any silly gender restriction with regard to whether a character can get a series. It's pretty clear that sales (and sales potential) are the primary factors when the bean counters decide whether to create or keep a series. Probably the only factor. I don't think the primarily male comics readership has any fundamental problems with strong female characters either.
I would still suggest that a Tigra series couldn't sustain readership over the long term, no matter how big of a name was attached to it. Yeah, if you got Cho to draw it and Busiek to write it, you might get a whole year out of it. It has nothing to do with her being female - she just isn't a big enough character to draw in readers. Comparing her to Wonder Woman doesn't really work, since WW is an iconic, classic characters who is integral to her universe's storylines. Tigra, not so much.
I thought the Icons minis were great, they gave lesser characters a nice spotlight, you could skip characters you weren't interested in and collect a series about those you did without feeling obligated to add something to your pull list for however long until it was finally cancelled, leaving you feeling frustrated that you'd emotionally invested in a book that only lasted 11 issues.

[Mitchel]

That's bunk to me. How come there can be too many heroine books, but 3 ongoing Spider-Man books, 2 ongoing Wolverine books can remain? Yes, I know, it's a mostly male dominated genre, but look at how long Wonder Woman's remained. If the people at Marvel knew what was good for their characters, they'd put their BIG NAME creators time and energy in making great mini's and ongoing's with the character's that don't currently have a book to draw in others who finally see how cool a character can be. Look what Bendis did with Spider-Woman. Jessica Drew was a pretty much, eh, she used to be Spider-Woman, big deal. She'd been replaced twice already and she probably wouldn't be getting any attention anytime soon.

I agree but while I don't collect and have never collected Superman, Batman, Spider-man and Wolverine, it seems like every hot artist wants to draw the big name magazines. Look what just happened to Ms. Marvel: In my humble opinion of the three heroine magazines Marvel has launched (Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk and Spider-woman (mini to ongoing) the one with the best creative team is Ms. Marvel. Now Ms. Marvel artist De La Torre will be moving to draw Iron Man and everybody is congratulating him on the move to Iron Man. That is the problem with characters that need to create a fan-base, unless they don't get a very solid creative team with the intention to stay with it for the long haul these so called "B" and "C" listing characters' series will keep getting cancelled. Now, if the supposed announcement about a new artist turns to be a big name like Alan Davis or Kevin Maguire then I will have to eat my shorts and concede props to Marvel for really trying. I thought the team from Tigra's latest mini series came really strong and did an excellent job while the Hercules and Vision minis were really weak.

[Mariah]

I'd agree that there certainly ought not to be any silly gender restriction with regard to whether a character can get a series. It's pretty clear that sales (and sales potential) are the primary factors when the bean counters decide whether to create or keep a series. Probably the only factor. I don't think the primarily male comics readership has any fundamental problems with strong female characters either.
I would still suggest that a Tigra series couldn't sustain readership over the long term, no matter how big of a name was attached to it. Yeah, if you got Cho to draw it and Busiek to write it, you might get a whole year out of it. It has nothing to do with her being female - she just isn't a big enough character to draw in readers. Comparing her to Wonder Woman doesn't really work, since WW is an iconic, classic characters who is integral to her universe's storylines. Tigra, not so much.
I thought the Icons minis were great, they gave lesser characters a nice spotlight, you could skip characters you weren't interested in and collect a series about those you did without feeling obligated to add something to your pull list for however long until it was finally cancelled, leaving you feeling frustrated that you'd emotionally invested in a book that only lasted 11 issues.
I understand, and I totally agree. Tigra couldn't hold a series on her own AT THIS TIME. And again, I point to Spider-Woman, and Ms. Marvel. She's going on year two of her solo, and I don't think it's going to be cancelled anytime soon. If a really popular creator took the time, effort, and so on and so forth, they could make her into a Marvel mainstay. Or someone new came in, and totally did a terrific job, such as Charlie Huston did over on Moon Knight, and set that character on fire, I could see people talking positively about her. Look at Astonishing. It's constantly late, the story's are lame, the art, beautiful but un-inspiring, yet it's the best selling X-book out right now. Why? Big time creator with a built in audience and HUGE AMOUNTS of hype.

[Mariah]

I agree but while I don't collect and have never collected Superman, Batman, Spider-man and Wolverine, it seems like every hot artist wants to draw the big name magazines. Look what just happened to Ms. Marvel: In my humble opinion of the three heroine magazines Marvel has launched (Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk and Spider-woman (mini to ongoing) the one with the best creative team is Ms. Marvel. Now Ms. Marvel artist De La Torre will be moving to draw Iron Man and everybody is congratulating him on the move to Iron Man. That is the problem with characters that need to create a fan-base, unless they don't get a very solid creative team with the intention to stay with it for the long haul these so called "B" and "C" listing characters' series will keep getting cancelled. Now, if the supposed announcement about a new artist turns to be a big name like Alan Davis or Kevin Maguire then I will have to eat my shorts and concede props to Marvel for really trying. I thought the team from Tigra's latest mini series came really strong and did an excellent job while the Hercules and Vision minis were really weak.
Yes, and I can see why people would be congratulating him. Iron Man hasn't not had a solo series since the 1960's. As far as Marvel icons go, he's up there with Spidey, Cap, Thor and the Hulk.

I think they should put another big name, or a total unknown who is going to set the comics world on fire, as De La Torre obviously did, and do it with style. Hype this book. The writing is top notch. Sure, the dialogue could use some work, but he's getting better. When Palmiotti left inking duties on this book, it got even better, imo. It strengthened his pencils, it seemed.

[Mitchel]

I might have to start eating my shorts, they've just announced in Newsarama Ms. Marvel new artist is Aaron Lopresti. He is no Alan Davis but that artwork is sweeet!

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=2970363&posted=1#post2970363

[Mariah]

I might have to start eating my shorts, they've just announced in Newsarama Ms. Marvel new artist is Aaron Lopresti. He is no Alan Davis but that artwork is sweeet!

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=2970363&posted=1#post2970363
I heard shorts are good with hot sauce:p

[riotgear]

I would love to see a new series, ideally written by Dan Slott and art by Kieron Dwyer, of Pulsar and Tigra returning to their cop roots, and become partners.

[John Nowak]

Hence a superhero cop would be as interesting to read as a superhero lawyer.

Yeah, I think it would work. I like Slott's She-Hulk, but I'd rather see "Tigra on the Beat" played more seriously, with more humor coming from the characters' sense of humor than from general wacky hi-jinx.

I mean, supposedly someone rubbed his face with lemon juice before robbing a store because he thought it would make him invisible to security cameras. If stuff like that actually happens, why force the humor?

[Mariah]

While I would love to see a new Tigra mini soon, I would not put someone like Slott or Kirkman on the title. Their style of storytelling just wouldn't fit her character at all.

[shaunyc56]

Tigra ongoing, could be interesting to see her operate in a post CW world, cause nobody likes a SNITCH.

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

Dan Slott can do deadly serious just fine - Avengers: Initiative is touted to be just that. But I think there's plenty of people who could take a shot at a Tigra book and make it work, and Dan's got a fair bit on his plate at present, and I've never seen him refer to Tigra much - I'd rather see her handled by someone who desperately wants to do a Tigra book, rather than just someone who can do it, if they're handed the job.

In any case, I think there's an incredible potential for the character - both in terms of fallout from Civil War and her choices therein, and just in general in her line of work. Aside from similar comics, the police drama genre is going strong on TV, and shows no signs of flagging - there's a lot of good, involving stories being told. I like the ideas raised here about a continual testing of boundaries between her human and animal sides. And even after all these years, I think there's a lot of new ground to be explored in terms of how police function in the supervillain-rich Marvel world, in the same way that She-Hulk has delved into superhuman legal cases.

I'd like to see Tigra lose the bikini though - not for prurient reasons (much), but just because it's never made sense to me. Whatever mystic add-ons her story has, she's basically a werewolf-type being, and I have trouble seeing clothes being built-in to her animal form. Given that police work can get gritty, I'd rather a Tigra book be aimed at an audience who wouldn't freak at the sight of a fur-covered woman with no further clothing - it's not like she'd be any more 'naked' art-wise than any other heroine in a skin-tight costume.

[Harold of the Rocks]

Tigra could do well with another limited series; however, I would like to see her return to The Avengers.
... this from a guy who would like to see the return of mullets...

;)

All kidding aside, I think a limited series would be a nice way to really put her back on the radar. Get her involved with the new incarnation of the Fantastic Four, or the New Avengers. Maybe her own team in the wake of Civil War, part of 'The Initiative'. That would be cool. Reword: That could be cool. I don't know who you all would want to draw Tigra, but a couple of names that come to mind would be DiVito, Finch, maybe even Sook or Crain. No (opinions of/ideas for) writers right now. How 'bout y'all?

[John Nowak]

I'd like to see Tigra lose the bikini though - not for prurient reasons (much), but just because it's never made sense to me.

Fur doesn't really cover up that much. You can usually tell what sex a cat or dog is if they're on their backs; so I think really only works if you're a Disney critter. Leaving that aside, she'd probbly want support and a way to carry equipment.

The string bikini doesn't work for me, personally, because it's too blatant and repetitive. A more conservative bikini, probably tailored more like a sports bra might work better.



Whatever mystic add-ons her story has, she's basically a werewolf-type being, and I have trouble seeing clothes being built-in to her animal form.

I agree, that doesn't work at all. Generally I get the impression that she wears the bikini under street clothes, and when she transforms she strips down to her costume. But again, at various times the amulet has cast a magical illusion or transformed her physically from human to hybrid, so they've never been all that consistent with it.

[Captain Exaggeration]

Tigra could do well with another limited series; however, I would like to see her return to The Avengers.
Thats what I was thinking.

[kcekada]

Personally, I'd love a well-written and well-drawn series of Tigra minis. ...

The foundation of the series could be "Greer functions primarily as a cop, but changes into Tigra for the crimes ordinary police can't handle." Even though she's helping out in "Civil War", her primary calling is that of "Police Officer". She found a sense of purpose that set her apart from "C-List Avenger". We need to see that play out.




Very much agree. Her first mini-series did a good job of undoing the crap started with Jim Shooter and made worse by virtually every other writer who has handled her since.

Have to say that I wasn't please that she turned out to be a double-agent in Civil War #6.

[kcekada]

You know as much as I like Tigra the way most people know her, I always prefered her original look from her first appearance. To bring it in perspective, she didn't have a tail, her appearance was more wild lady than cat-lady. Sort of a more savage version of Mantis.

The tail bugs me.

I like the way she looked in Marvel Chillers.

[John Nowak]

Have to say that I wasn't please that she turned out to be a double-agent in Civil War #6.

Yeah, I'm kind of mixed on that. On one hand, she's a cop, and a cop's widow. It's not like she can choose which side she's working for. On the other hand, it's hard to imagine her lying to friends. Ah well.

[Darci]

What If #35, cover story What if Elektra Had Lived? has a backup story, And Thus Are Born The Cat People. describes the origin of the Cat People: they were cats, magically uplifted by a mage. Other mages uplift some other cats, and pretty soon they realize that the Cat People are a threat to man's dominance of the Earth. A low-level conflict between magic users and cat people breaks out. The Black Death is accidentally released in the process, dating these events to around the middle of the 14th Century.

Giant Sized Creatures #1 contains the origin of Tigra, or more correctly, the conversion of Greer Nelson into Tigra. Greer Nelson is exposed to lethal doses of Alpha radiation (which I'm pretty sure can only be lethal if you ingest it) and the Cat People try to save her life, turning her into Tigra. They appear to be surprised at the results, with the lines

"I don't believe it!"
"Our legends tell of one such as this!"
"Yes, in the dim past, a human woman who became one of us, a great warrior called Tigra."

"Warrior" implies a "war," and I could swear that in West Coast Avengers it was specifically stated that the first Tigra fought in a war against unspecified enemies.

Now, this is a jump and I admit it, but it seems so logical that I actually thought it had been exlicitly stated. The first Tigra was a warrior, and the only conflict that we know of which involved the Cat People was between them and human mages who were trying to banish them from Earth. And, well, if you were going to design someone to sneak into a medieval fortress and kill the mage that owned it, you'd come up with something very similar to Tigra: able to climb the walls, stealthy enough to sneak past the guards, and strong enough to fight her way out of trouble (at least, against 14th Century weapons). So it's logical to assume the first Tigra was an assassin used against various human mages around the 14th Century. At any rate, it's not much of a retcon, and to be honest, I thought it had been stated explicitly somewhere.



I'd like to second the idea that some modern-day magic users might be a little alarmed that Tigra was back.
Thanks,
Darci

[chrismileslord]

Just no. It would just be bad.

[Darci]

The tail bugs me.

I like the way she looked in Marvel Chillers.

kcekda,
Exactly the way Greer felt in the Marvel Graphic Novel #16, "The Aladdin Effect" (1985). She was one of four heroines summoned by Holly-Ann Ember to sve her town from a rogue AIM scientist. The catch was none of the four remembered who they were after they were teleported there. Tigra checked out herself, especially her bottom, and thanked goodness there was no tail!
Darci

[jpk]

(begin sarcasm)

A Tigra book would probably sell at least 8,000 copies a month. I say go for it.

(end sarcasm)

Seriously, why bother? If team spinoffs like Rogue, Nightrawler, Wonder Man and the like consistently fail, how could Tigra hope to succeed? She's too obscure to the average fan to support her own mini, let alone an ongoing.

[Jerry W. Loper]

Much as I like Tigra (my fave character), I realize there aren't enough readers for an ongoing to last more than a few issues. But I do believe there's enough good Tigra stuff for an Essentials volume, and I know what should go in one, too, if it was printed.