Supergirl 13, spoilers etc

[Kid Kyoto]

It's out, just a week or two after the fill-in issue so that's pretty good.

I hope no one was too attached to the Outsiders/Wereshark plot, cause it's gone. Gone, gone, gone, just like all prior plot threads. But in all a good and very different sort of comic.

*SPOILERS*

It starts with kara recovering in the hospital from her wounds. Apparently Powerboy saved her and Grace.

During a patrol/date with PB she fights two generic pseudo-Japanese villains from Tibet (couldn't the writer look up some Tibetian names?) and makes out with Power Boy.

We get (yet more) hints of a dark secret in kara's past (hmm her father told her 'kill Kal-el' I wonder what that could mean) and are clearly told what she did during 52.

She tried to kill Clark while he was powerless but stopped herself and thus headed for Kandor.

"I don't hate Superman. That's why I left. that's why I ran and hid in a bottle. I love Kal-El. I hate myself."

Finally Boomerang asks Grace when Kara will get out of the hospital and Grace says 'she got out 3 days ago'(and presumably has not called).

Anaysis I remember reading Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix and just stopping and saying Harry Potter is a jerk! But in the book Harry was 16, no longer an angelic kid and well... 16 year olds are jerks. And I think that's part of the point here, this Supergirl is a jerk. She's not likeable but it's a pretty good take on what it might be like to be a 16 year old with god-like powers, a huge legacy to live up to and the ghost of your dad telling you to kill! kill! kill! Problems I think we all faced/face as teens. :o

Churchill's art is pretty good, not just eye-candy but also good for touches like Boomerang's body langauge and the interaction between Wonder Girl and Kara (now if he could just get them to look like two different people!).

Still no clue on who Powerboy is, apparently he's not Mon-El though.

[Spider-Man]

So...Kelley has cribbed the "evil father's message" schtick from "Smallville," which is utter crap there, and made it utter crap in Supergirl?

If Supergirl absolutely had to be brought back, it should have been under the editorial mandate that someone like a Geoff Johns or Kurt Busiek took the reigns, i.e., folks who understand and know the lore and unities of the character.

I think they need to let the book lay fallow for a year, give it a new number one, and put Gail Simone at the helm. And they can toss "I wannabe Rob Liefeld" to the curb at the same time...

Spidey

[MythicBrawn]

Anaysis I remember reading Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix and just stopping and saying Harry Potter is a jerk! But in the book Harry was 16, no longer an angelic kid and well... 16 year olds are jerks. And I think that's part of the point here, this Supergirl is a jerk. She's not likeable but it's a pretty good take on what it might be like to be a 16 year old with god-like powers, a huge legacy to live up to and the ghost of your dad telling you to kill! kill! kill! Problems I think we all faced/face as teens. :o


I'm still having problems with the ghost of my dad telling me to kill! kill! kill! It grates on your nerves but with therapy, I've learned to deal with it.

[Cayman]

It was alright but hard to follow. I suppose having the pointless Terra story interruption didn't help.

I'm a little sick of the mystery villain in shadows bit. The two new(?) villains were kind of cool, but I didn't really feel like their powers were all that clear.

Power Boy was fun.

Kelly's showing some promise on the book but it never seems to quite get where it needs to go, and I keep reading it mainly because I like the character. Hopefully it will all gel eventually.

[Jack Zodiac]

I only bought this issue for Power Boy, but Kelly didn't do much to explain who he is, what his powers are, or where he came from. One thing I thought was hilarious, though, was his frequent mention of "patrolling," a concept Kara found completely mind-boggling. Good foil for her, especially given her current state. I also liked that Kelly specifically shows us how the wedge between her and Clark was driven during the missing year. Oh, and he apparently dropped the flow of consciousness narrative, which was a good idea. I didn't think it worked at all.

Also, Power Boy. His costume looks a whole lot like Power Girl's, with the mantle (no cape, though) and open chest. I like how Churchill gave the kid a big, meaty, hairy chest. If Power Girl can fly around sporting sweater meat like she does, I think Power Boy flying around with a bear's chest is an awesome idea. :D

[AaronJ]

Stunning. But it is what I have come to expect from Kelly, and especially with Churchill and Rapmund back on art duties, this book is kickin'.

First, Churchill knows the character. He knows her body language and facial expressions, how she reacts. Also, he seems to be the best fit, by far, for Kelly's storytelling (although, seriously, Joe Benitez was great in that one issue: I can't wait for that Superman/Batman arc with Greg Rucka).

It's always a good sign, in ANY book, when Lois Lane shows up. She's the tops. And the scene here was good and tense, especially considering that as a reader, we know why Kara is avoiding Clark. Lois doesn't have that knowledge, and so her indignation is completely understandable. "You're killing him, Kara." Ouch.

I absolutely love Cassie's presence in this book, even if it is a brief cameo like this one. Her dreamy "Marry him" was hilarious. And it's always nice to see Streaky.

It's interesting that Power Boy beat Kara in the race. Either she seriously overestimated her abilities, or he did, in fact, cheat. I'm not sure which. He seems like an honest sort of chap, though.

During the fight (are we supposed to know who either those mysterious figures in Tibet or the assassins were?) Kara really shows how powerful she can be. Her "And that is not yours to have!" voice blast (I didn't know she could do that; it was like Black Canary) was a real moment.

"Not ... possible ... h-how could there be so much ... [hate] ... that even I -- even I ..."

"Kinda girl I am."

Yikes. Chilling. I'm telling you: I love Kara. She's a good girl, trying to get along. But she is also really bad news. She has an explosive temper, but also a good amount of self-awareness to go along with it.

Poor Owen. Dumped for a newer, shinier model (not that they were going out, anyway ...), and then he has to help Grace with "bathroom duties"? This has not been a good week for Boomer.

Overall, this continues to be one of my absolute favorite books. And I am so glad Churchill and Rapmund are back. This is *their* book.

[Jack Zodiac]

During the fight (are we supposed to know who either those mysterious figures in Tibet or the assassins were?) Kara really shows how powerful she can be. Her "And that is not yours to have!" voice blast (I didn't know she could do that; it was like Black Canary) was a real moment.

She's developing more of her natural powers, like Clark did. Superman's done some seismic stuff by just yelling. I think you'll see her becoming stronger, accessing more vision powers, maybe even super-intellect in the future. One thing I wish they'd done more of with the original Kara was make her out to be every bit as ridiculously powerful as her cousin.

[AaronJ]

She's developing more of her natural powers, like Clark did. Superman's done some seismic stuff by just yelling. I think you'll see her becoming stronger, accessing more vision powers, maybe even super-intellect in the future. One thing I wish they'd done more of with the original Kara was make her out to be every bit as ridiculously powerful as her cousin.

Thanks. I didn't know Superman could do that. I mean, I suppose if I thought about it, I would have realized he can pretty much do anything. :)

Yeah, she's getting more powerful, stronger. I don't know that she'll be as powerful as Kal, but she is quite a powerhouse already.

[Jack Zodiac]

Yeah, she's getting more powerful, stronger. I don't know that she'll be as powerful as Kal, but she is quite a powerhouse already.

She's gettin' there. Loeb had her hitting harder and flying faster than Clark, but she was also being reckless as all get-out in Superman/Batman. Veronica mentions at the beginning of this issue, though, that Kara was responding better to the yellow sunlight therapy than Clark does.

[Blight]

During the fight (are we supposed to know who either those mysterious figures in Tibet or the assassins were?) Kara really shows how powerful she can be. Her "And that is not yours to have!" voice blast (I didn't know she could do that; it was like Black Canary) was a real moment.


Guessing one of them has to be Cassie Cain given the next issue. Makes sense given:

1.) Wasn't there a LoA base in Tibet?
2.) DC has turned Cassie Cain into a Bond Villain and thus must include a huge base in a exotic local to match the mindless monologue she was given in Robin OYL. :p

Still waiting on that back to basics version they keep saying they'll produce :p

[AaronJ]

She's gettin' there. Loeb had her hitting harder and flying faster than Clark, but she was also being reckless as all get-out in Superman/Batman. Veronica mentions at the beginning of this issue, though, that Kara was responding better to the yellow sunlight therapy than Clark does.

That was one thing that confused me: Dr. Cale? Which doctor are we talking about here. Because that can't be Veronica Cale. Or have I missed something huge OYL. Because she is blonde, and a villainness, last seen, AFAIK, on Oolong Island with the Mad Scientists in 52.

[Jack Zodiac]

No, you're right, I don't know why I called her Veronica. I just head "Dr. Cale" and associated it with her. This doctor's probably just a random STAR Labs tech, because the only important STAR Lab girls right now are Valarie Perez and TinaMcGee in The Flash and Kala Avasti in 52.

[AaronJ]

No, you're right, I don't know why I called her Veronica. I just head "Dr. Cale" and associated it with her. This doctor's probably just a random STAR Labs tech, because the only important STAR Lab girls right now are Valarie Perez and TinaMcGee in The Flash and Kala Avasti in 52.

It seems like something Kelly would do intentionally, to cause the reader to double-take.

He seems slightly perverse like that. :)

[RabidWolfe]

This is the first Kelly issue I actually liked. So, I'm not dropping this from my pull list just yet.

[Kid Kyoto]

So...Kelley has cribbed the "evil father's message" schtick from "Smallville," which is utter crap there, and made it utter crap in Supergirl?



I don't do Smallville, what's the story from there?

[MaxofSteel]

I don't do Smallville, what's the story from there?

Smallville's Jor-El seems to have been working in mysterious ways in past seasons. He not only "killed" Pa Kent, but he also had Clark possessed by his own evil, earth-conquering Kal-El persona. It's ... a long story.:rolleyes:

Essentially Jor-El was evil, but it was later explained that all his actions were in attempt to have Clark embrace his destiny (to save the world).

[AaronJ]

Yeah, I think that calling the "Smallville" version of Jor-El is little misleading.


Anyhow, it has nothing to do with Supergirl anyway. Something else is clearly going on here. What? I don't know.

[Kage Kisaragi]

My own opinons and questions about the Supergirl Series so far, (I've all the ones that were included in the Batman Superman comics and I recently went to my local comicbook shop and bought Supergirl 7-13.)

1.) During the Batman Superman mini with her in it, I was asking myself. Why is she potientally stronger than Superman?

2.) Whats up with the Flexuating Power showings?

3.) Why didnt she stay on Themyscia a little longer? God knows she could use the combat training.

4.) Why are so many of the plots being dropped and where is this supposed to be heading because though I love a good rump of a short story everyonce and awhile, so far the SG title hasnt shown any good conclusion to its short stories

5.) Why didn't Superman ever ask her to stay with his foster parents? Prehapes that good old country living, with nice honest simple folk would have rubbed off on her and I don't know calmed her down and allowed her to focus. Sure maybe not in 4 weeks since apparently thats as much time as she seems to stay in anyone place. It would have to have been better than staying out to 3am with Boomer, and going to any place there was loud music or a party.

6.) I don't understand her mind set in the sense, she went to batman to sell a gizmo from her planet to get infinite money, yet she wants to blend in and experience life on earth so obviously she wants to be here at some capacity, but she doesnt want to indulge in the life making connections that humans normally go about doing. Such as providing themselfs with some sort of livelyhood by working. "I never wanna have to worry about, money, rent or clothes or anything."... Then whats the point of even trying to be here? Why does she want to be Paris Hilton? is DC hurting for a Paris Hilton with Super Powers?

7.) I hate power boy, mostly because it came out of no where, (The Legion exist now instead of the future on Earth 2?), I hate that his costume looks like Power Girls, I hate that he can apparently produce Kryptonian like feats, and also produce other powers like his force bubble.

8.) Why was Powerboy's eyes glowing red like he was getting ready to vaporize Kara when she came to check on him. Whats up with that blond hair streak, I swear he if comes off as some kind of time traveling son of Power Girl or any other Krypotian, or even some kind of clone I'll scream my head off.

9.) Is this Kara going to leave earth? Maybe go to the future or something like in the other legion comicbook, I mean I wouldn't be to upset considering she keeps talking about how she doesnt want to kill her cousin, how she loves him and hates herself. Then leave!? I don't even think she should be able to kill him. I mean does living longer under a yellow sun mean anything to kryptonians? I might have forgotten wasnt there something in her ship that gave her the effects of Yellow Sunlight while she was traveling in space. If her father could produce something like that then.. I don't know. Shouldn't he have used it on himself to say keeping himself alive, to give his family superpowers while they were on Argo or Krypton?

10.) Churchhill is a great penciler, I liked his work, I think its ten times better than Liefelds, atleast from what i've seen of it, I usually don't pay much attention to either kind of artistest work, but looking at the Supergirl comics that Churchhill did, i'm actually enjoying his style.

11.) I don't like Supergirls attitude really, she seems pompus, and very gung ho and she flaunts her assets way to much. When she was just floating there while cassie was fighting that french talking gorilla I wanted cassie to reach up and snatch by her hair and beat the gorilla with kara. Especially when Kara simply plucks the gorilla for a instant K.O.

12.) I didn't like the showings between her and Power Girl, I know one has a few character flaws, some of which might be messing with her powers, but I'd prefer Powergirl's powerset being above and basically staying above that of the newly arrived Supergirl.

13.) For all the things I didn't like, there were some I did. Classic Superman like Speed feats, her being able to make it look like she shot one of the crew members on a boat her and the sharkpeople were hijacking. The way she described what she did and no one being able to disdinguish otherwise was really classic.

14.) The message the writer was trying to send out during the whole high school/secret idenity fiasco was pretty nice to. I also enjoyed the whole Superman wants to be like a overprotective father like thing, very different from the Superman wants to be totally ignorant of your existance vide I got during the Animated JLU series.

15.) I will probably keep reading this book until they end it, but I could stomach (and I'm not speaking for any true supergirl fans.) a more girl scott type of way or basically just the goody goody superheroine. Give her a edge sure but don't make her out to be a psycho super brod with family issues.

Okay I looked up Power Boy since, I didnt give him mucn of a chance, (and why should I hate that look he has, seems so unoriginal.) I thought he was gonna be like the Power Boy of the legion of superheroes but he isnt, apparently he is from darkseids world, doesnt make much of a difference to me he still might be some kind of experiement with krypotian DNA and that I cannot stand. :p Still, we'll see, I hope this relationship between him and Supergirl dies, really really fast.

[AaronJ]

My own opinons and questions about the Supergirl Series so far, (I've all the ones that were included in the Batman Superman comics and I recently went to my local comicbook shop and bought Supergirl 7-13.)

1.) During the Batman Superman mini with her in it, I was asking myself. Why is she potientally stronger than Superman?

That was answered, as I'm sure you know.


2.) Whats up with the Flexuating Power showings?

Also, answered. Also, it is a metaphor for being a teenager with somewhat whacky hormones.


3.) Why didnt she stay on Themyscia a little longer? God knows she could use the combat training.

Themyscira was removed to another dimension. She didn't have a choice. Also, her combat training is fine, as she has demonstrated a number of times.

Someone like Supergirl is, almost never, going to be defeated through force. So, it takes something like what happened in #11, where her emotions got in her way.


4.) Why are so many of the plots being dropped and where is this supposed to be heading because though I love a good rump of a short story everyonce and awhile, so far the SG title hasnt shown any good conclusion to its short stories

What plots? Kelly hasn't *dropped* anything. There are on-going mysteries, though, such as her past.


5.) Why didn't Superman ever ask her to stay with his foster parents? Prehapes that good old country living, with nice honest simple folk would have rubbed off on her and I don't know calmed her down and allowed her to focus. Sure maybe not in 4 weeks since apparently thats as much time as she seems to stay in anyone place. It would have to have been better than staying out to 3am with Boomer, and going to any place there was loud music or a party.

And I would absolutely HATE it if she lived in Smallville. She isn't Kal, and she isn't Kon. She is her own woman. She wasn't brought to Earth as an infant, or cloned. She was a teenager when her planet was destroyed.

She lives the life of a rich, uninhibited teenager. I see nothing wrong with that. If she wants to go to Japan and get sushi with her friend, then she just does it.


6.) I don't understand her mind set in the sense, she went to batman to sell a gizmo from her planet to get infinite money, yet she wants to blend in and experience life on earth so obviously she wants to be here at some capacity, but she doesnt want to indulge in the life making connections that humans normally go about doing. Such as providing themselfs with some sort of livelyhood by working. "I never wanna have to worry about, money, rent or clothes or anything."... Then whats the point of even trying to be here? Why does she want to be Paris Hilton? is DC hurting for a Paris Hilton with Super Powers?

No, she doesn't want to work. Why the hell do you think people play the lottery? Same reason.

You clearly, from your comments in this question and the one above, want Kara to be some Protestant Work Ethic girl, who goes to church, works her 9-5 job, and lives on a farm, spending her "free" time bailing hay, and doing dishes.

I, OTOH, have absolutely NO itnerest in that character. Kara is her own woman. She has lots of issues. LOTS. But she isn't going to be held down by some quaint idea of what supposedly makes a "good girl."

She lives in her apartment building, does what she wants, hangs with whom she wants. Will she learn a certain level of responsibility as time goes by? Yes.

But look at Bruce Wayne/Batman: what do you think the metaphor is there? A kid, without any parents, and with all the money in the world. He travels the world, beats up bad guys, and builds lots of fancy toys. In his civilian guise, he is a playboy who goes out with every good looking woman in town, spends too much time partying, and goes to all sorts of glitzy affairs.

Are you bothered by that?


7.) I hate power boy, mostly because it came out of no where, (The Legion exist now instead of the future on Earth 2?), I hate that his costume looks like Power Girls, I hate that he can apparently produce Kryptonian like feats, and also produce other powers like his force bubble.

Well, I have no way of telling someone to like a character. If you don't like him, you don't like him. And Earth 2? Huh?! As far as anyone knows, there is NO Earth 2. (Clearly, something is brewing ... but as of now, there is no Earth 2.)


8.) Why was Powerboy's eyes glowing red like he was getting ready to vaporize Kara when she came to check on him. Whats up with that blond hair streak, I swear he if comes off as some kind of time traveling son of Power Girl or any other Krypotian, or even some kind of clone I'll scream my head off.

Someone suggested that he may have been using Apokoliptian tech to change his appearance, as Orion apparently used to do.

I don't know much about the whole Fourth World deal, but that sort of makes sense to me. He clearly has some sort of connection to Apokolips.


9.) Is this Kara going to leave earth? Maybe go to the future or something like in the other legion comicbook, I mean I wouldn't be to upset considering she keeps talking about how she doesnt want to kill her cousin, how she loves him and hates herself. Then leave!? I don't even think she should be able to kill him. I mean does living longer under a yellow sun mean anything to kryptonians? I might have forgotten wasnt there something in her ship that gave her the effects of Yellow Sunlight while she was traveling in space. If her father could produce something like that then.. I don't know. Shouldn't he have used it on himself to say keeping himself alive, to give his family superpowers while they were on Argo or Krypton?

She is, as we speak, in the Legion book. In fact, it is called Supergirl & the Legion of Super-Heroes.

So, that question has been answered.


10.) Churchhill is a great penciler, I liked his work, I think its ten times better than Liefelds, atleast from what i've seen of it, I usually don't pay much attention to either kind of artistest work, but looking at the Supergirl comics that Churchhill did, i'm actually enjoying his style.

He's awesome, and does a lot of subtle work. And he matches up perfectly with Kelly.


11.) I don't like Supergirls attitude really, she seems pompus, and very gung ho and she flaunts her assets way to much. When she was just floating there while cassie was fighting that french talking gorilla I wanted cassie to reach up and snatch by her hair and beat the gorilla with kara. Especially when Kara simply plucks the gorilla for a instant K.O.

Kara is, like most people who are broken, both arrogant and self-loathing at the same time.

Otherwise, she is just a teenage girl. Sometimes she is completely self-absorbed, other times she flies off the handle, she definitely has a temper, and she is not always thinking of others.

In other words, a teenage girl.


12.) I didn't like the showings between her and Power Girl, I know one has a few character flaws, some of which might be messing with her powers, but I'd prefer Powergirl's powerset being above and basically staying above that of the newly arrived Supergirl.

I don't know what to tell you.


13.) For all the things I didn't like, there were some I did. Classic Superman like Speed feats, her being able to make it look like she shot one of the crew members on a boat her and the sharkpeople were hijacking. The way she described what she did and no one being able to disdinguish otherwise was really classic.

Yeah. Kara is very tactical. She understands what she is capable of, and uses it to the best of her ability.

When she doesn't get in her own way.


14.) The message the writer was trying to send out during the whole high school/secret idenity fiasco was pretty nice to. I also enjoyed the whole Superman wants to be like a overprotective father like thing, very different from the Superman wants to be totally ignorant of your existance vide I got during the Animated JLU series.

Agreed. And I was thrilled that Kelly decided that a false id was not the way to go for Kara. I would have hated that.


15.) I will probably keep reading this book until they end it, but I could stomach (and I'm not speaking for any true supergirl fans.) a more girl scott type of way or basically just the goody goody superheroine. Give her a edge sure but don't make her out to be a psycho super brod with family issues.

I don't want a girl scout at all. Kara is a great character precisely because she is so totally messed up. She's a wreck, but she is also able to handle it, most of the time. She hates herself, she isn't sure of what happened to her in her past, and she doesn't know where she's going. Again ... a teenager.


Okay I looked up Power Boy since, I didnt give him mucn of a chance, (and why should I hate that look he has, seems so unoriginal.) I thought he was gonna be like the Power Boy of the legion of superheroes but he isnt, apparently he is from darkseids world, doesnt make much of a difference to me he still might be some kind of experiement with krypotian DNA and that I cannot stand. :p Still, we'll see, I hope this relationship between him and Supergirl dies, really really fast.

It won't last. Power Boy will probably last as a character, but their little budding romance will come to a crashing, horrible end. Trust me.

[DoctorDoom]

Guessing one of them has to be Cassie Cain given the next issue. Makes sense given:

1.) Wasn't there a LoA base in Tibet?
2.) DC has turned Cassie Cain into a Bond Villain and thus must include a huge base in a exotic local to match the mindless monologue she was given in Robin OYL. :p

Still waiting on that back to basics version they keep saying they'll produce :p
They said they'd produce a back to the basics one? Hrrrm also heard she'd be in 52.

[Jack Zodiac]

What plots? Kelly hasn't *dropped* anything. There are on-going mysteries, though, such as her past.

Argo and the bottle city Kandor. Not that I blame him, since he was basically saddled with these things when he took the title from Rucka, but they are plots that were dropped (well, Argo was dropped, Kandor was just resolved horribly).

[Fatguy]

Give her a edge sure but don't make her out to be a psycho super brod with family issues.

I'm new to this title, this last week's issue being only my 3rd, but thats my favorite thing about the character so far...she can be a psycho super chick :cool:

I liked #13, this was my first Churchill Supergirl, and I liked his art quite a bit. Also really, really liked the interaction between Supergirl and Cassie.

[Drakonnen]

Decent issue I felt compared to last one, though I enjoy her interactions with the outsiders and didn't really like Powerboy.

The most exciting thing about the issue though was seeing which color panties Kara opts for under that skirt though, lol.

Blue seemed like the obvious choice, but white or even red woulda been more fun :D

[Kid Kyoto]

Or she could join the Paris, Lindsey and Britney club and go commando.

[Mia]

One question I have is, at the end of the book, what made Grace make the comment about Kara being bad and dangerous etc. I don't understand where that stemmed from.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I think its because she was willing to go as far as break Rex's leg, even if she knew it was him and that he wouldnt really be hurt by it, it was the principle of the matter. On top of that, the way she made it seem she shoot the guy, she might not have done it really but she did physically harm him in away that knocked him out. I think to Grace that makes her a very lose cannon if not wild card.

[AaronJ]

One question I have is, at the end of the book, what made Grace make the comment about Kara being bad and dangerous etc. I don't understand where that stemmed from.

Because she basically had a nervous breakdown when the chips were down at the end of #11. And because she seems like a loose cannon, as well.

Grace is right, to a degree (she overstates it): Kara isn't all right in the head. That's an essential part of the character, at present. She's haunted and troubled.

OTOH, Kara is also a good girl who wants to do right. That's her core. But she is seriously messed up.

That's why I love the character, to be quite frank.

[AaronJ]

Argo and the bottle city Kandor. Not that I blame him, since he was basically saddled with these things when he took the title from Rucka, but they are plots that were dropped (well, Argo was dropped, Kandor was just resolved horribly).

Well, we disagree.

First, I'm not at all sure that the Argo story is dropped.

Second, I don't think the Kandor story was resolved horribly. I think it was resolved in a way which created more conflict for the character. It's something she needs to overcome, in the future. It's a "bad deed", and she will need to be redeemed.

[Jack Zodiac]

First, I'm not at all sure that the Argo story is dropped.

Alright, let's say "ignored," then. She wanted to know where Argo City was, she found out where Argo City was, and instead of returning Kandor to its old order and finding Argo City, she left Kandor in the hands of two insanely evil overlords and decided she didn't want to go to Argo City. I haven't read four or so issues of Kelly's run after that, but I haven't heard anyone mention Argo City even being namedropped.


Second, I don't think the Kandor story was resolved horribly. I think it was resolved in a way which created more conflict for the character. It's something she needs to overcome, in the future. It's a "bad deed", and she will need to be redeemed.

You're right, we disagree. I can handle a black mark on a hero's career, but the very reason she has that black mark was so she could get the information she wanted out of Saturn Queen, namely where Argo City was. So, she sacrificed Kandor to those two for that information, and yet hasn't done anything with that information yet. So she's basically damned an entire civilization to two villainous rulers and also decided she wanted to find her place on Earth after all of that, instead of doing what she had originally intended.

[Mia]

Alright, let's say "ignored," then. She wanted to know where Argo City was, she found out where Argo City was, and instead of returning Kandor to its old order and finding Argo City, she left Kandor in the hands of two insanely evil overlords and decided she didn't want to go to Argo City. I haven't read four or so issues of Kelly's run after that, but I haven't heard anyone mention Argo City even being namedropped.



You're right, we disagree. I can handle a black mark on a hero's career, but the very reason she has that black mark was so she could get the information she wanted out of Saturn Queen, namely where Argo City was. So, she sacrificed Kandor to those two for that information, and yet hasn't done anything with that information yet. So she's basically damned an entire civilization to two villainous rulers and also decided she wanted to find her place on Earth after all of that, instead of doing what she had originally intended.




I agree with you JZ in saying what she did wasn't noble and was downright selfish. But remember she is 16 years old. Am I making excuses for her? No. But please remember she still is a kid. I was 16 or 17 years old once too.

Tim Drake aside, most teenage kids I know can't see beyond their own nose. They don't care about others and are definetly not thinking long term. While I like it that Kelley hasn't turned Kara into an annoying whinny teenage brat whom I want to smack. He still hasn't turned her into a 16 year old girl with the wisdom and life experience of a woman in her 40's.

I really don't think that this is an irreversable black mark that can't be fixed. I think that this story can certainly be picked up down the road.

[blackphoenix]

The only good thing about this book is that Greg Rucka ain't writing it anymore. Beyond that, I ain't got nuthin' more to say.

[Jack Zodiac]

I really don't think that this is an irreversable black mark that can't be fixed. I think that this story can certainly be picked up down the road.

It wouldn't have been so bad if, after getting what she wanted out of Saturn Queen and leaving her and Ultraman alone, she'd actually gone looking for Argo City. As it is now, it looks like she wanted something, found it at the cost of screwing over a few hundred thousand vagrant aliens in a city that's been through all kinds of shit, and then decided she didn't really want that and tried to find a place on Earth instead. So, she screwed up what could've been a glorious victory for absolutely nothing.

[Drakonnen]

I bet we'll see her return to Kandor eventually to set things right.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I bet we'll see her return to Kandor eventually to set things right.

And she'll probably do it all in about 5 minutes.

[dupersuper]

During the fight (are we supposed to know who either those mysterious figures in Tibet or the assassins were?)

The assassins were charactors from Kellys' Action Comics run...though given the 2 stories involving them, I don't know why the HELL they're working together.

[Jason1Kent]

Perfect co-star in Power boy! He seems fun and hope to see more altough can't wait for Supergirl and Conner meet up in the future for adventures, that would be awsome!

Before you say it, HE'S NOT DEAD!..........................patience

[Drakonnen]

Perfect co-star in Power boy! He seems fun and hope to see more altough can't wait for Supergirl and Conner meet up in the future for adventures, that would be awsome!

Before you say it, HE'S NOT DEAD!..........................patience

Dude, he is dead.

Just like Green Arrow and Jason Todd.

[AaronJ]

The assassins were charactors from Kellys' Action Comics run...though given the 2 stories involving them, I don't know why the HELL they're working together.

Ok, thank you.

One of the schemers had glowing eyes. I was trying to figure who that might be, as well.

[Drink]

Ok, thank you.

One of the schemers had glowing eyes. I was trying to figure who that might be, as well.

Presuming the other one was Cass (Which I'd say is a fair certainty), I would go out on a limb and suggest Sungirl. This could be Cass's intro into the Titans East, although that idea is somewhat spoiled by the fact that 2 parts of that story would have occured by the time the next issue of Supergirl comes out.

[AaronJ]

Presuming the other one was Cass (Which I'd say is a fair certainty), I would go out on a limb and suggest Sungirl. This could be Cass's intro into the Titans East, although that idea is somewhat spoiled by the fact that 2 parts of that story would have occured by the time the next issue of Supergirl comes out.

That's good thinking.

Yeah, that makes sense, now. It's all coming together. :)

[Alex A Sanchez]

4.) Why are so many of the plots being dropped and where is this supposed to be heading because though I love a good rump of a short story everyonce and awhile, so far the SG title hasnt shown any good conclusion to its short stories.


I agree, none of the stories really have conclusions, they just kinda stop. And then jump onto something new. This has been the bane of the series since issue #1- everything is jumpy and there is no consistency. I loved the secret identity issue, with its suprise ending. But then it seems like every issue tells that exact same story- Kara tries something only to not have it work. I just want her to find something and stick with it. Shake up is only exciting if there is a status quo to compare it with.

Not having read anything else featuring the character, I can confidently say: Powerboy= plot device. Do something with him Kelly, or get him out of here. These series already has enough stuff popping out of the blue without him being here.

Speaking of out of the blue, how about them blue panties, huh? You know they aren't part of the costume cuz they're colored a different hue. Best part of this issue.

All in all, this has been my least favorite issue of the series. This may have to do with the fact that Supergirl #13 was the first comic I read after reading three volumes of Lone Wolf and Cub (and absolutely incredible read- I recommend it to everyone). Even so, I was really enjoying the Shark people plot, I don't know why Kelly was in such a hurry to conclude it and jump to whatever forgettable events occured in this issue.

[Bry]

Does anyone else find it really odd that in Supergirl's book they make it seem like Superman's hurt and worried sick about her? but in all of his other books he doesn't even mention her name? except for the first arc in OYL he hasn't said her name once ( I know cause I'm an avid reader) granted there's a lot going on in the Superman books now but still...if he really cared that much and DC was as cohesive as they say he would've said something wouldn't he?

[karasu]

I look forward to getting a story that's far away from the 'but I was sent here to kill yewwww!' angst.

[Jack Zodiac]

Does anyone else find it really odd- ?

The way D Didi handles his editorial duties, and the way most editors just don't seem to give a crap, no. I've stopped finding anything odd about the way DC handles their books. It's either surprising or disappointing. Superman and Action have managed to be great books. Surprise! Supergirl lost my interest rather quickly after Loeb left. Disappointment. I only picked up this issue because I'm really interested in Power Boy and Lil' Barda. Unless Kelly gets me interested in Kara again, or keeps Power Boy around and starts fleshing him out, I'll probably stop reading again.

Oh, and Clark has mentioned Kara since "Up, Up, and Away." During the arc on Action by Kurt and Fabian, he mentions her when The Auctioneer says he detects two other Kryptonians on Earth besides Superman.

[Jmacq1]

I actually thought this issue was an improvement (not counting the "fill in" issue which I found quite entertaining mostly due to Ms. Conner's pencils).

It does seem like they're starting to have Kara come to grips with her angst and self-loathing. Maybe this is the start of her being able to move past it all and evolve into something/someone with a little more depth. But let's not forget that the teenage years are an angsty time for most people. She shouldn't be completely without her share of it.

Beyond that, I got the impression that the truncated storylines and dangling plot threads were almost certainly due to the rapid shuffling of writers. Hopefully the title will gain a little more stability soon.

Don't get me wrong, I've been just as disappointed by this title as many others, but I think there are signs of hope/improvement to be found, if you look for them.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Does anyone else find it really odd that in Supergirl's book they make it seem like Superman's hurt and worried sick about her? but in all of his other books he doesn't even mention her name? except for the first arc in OYL he hasn't said her name once ( I know cause I'm an avid reader) granted there's a lot going on in the Superman books now but still...if he really cared that much and DC was as cohesive as they say he would've said something wouldn't he?

She was acknowledged in JLA #1 :D

[SKETCHSANCHEZ]

Does anyone else find it really odd that in Supergirl's book they make it seem like Superman's hurt and worried sick about her? but in all of his other books he doesn't even mention her name? except for the first arc in OYL he hasn't said her name once ( I know cause I'm an avid reader) granted there's a lot going on in the Superman books now but still...if he really cared that much and DC was as cohesive as they say he would've said something wouldn't he?

I believe the hurt and sick scenes were just flashbacks to when he was powerless during the missing year. They werent current and he wasnt sick cuz he was sad about missing her, I think he was sick because he was "human" at that point, but thats what I got out of it. They make it seem like, in current times, that Clark is worried about her and sad but he's willing to give her space and not bitch about it (except to Lois, apparently.)

[Fatguy]

I believe the hurt and sick scenes were just flashbacks to when he was powerless during the missing year.

Yeah, thats what I got out of it too.

[PatrickG]

The assassins were charactors from Kellys' Action Comics run...though given the 2 stories involving them, I don't know why the HELL they're working together.

The last time they appeared in Kelly's run, didn't Bakiko decide she hated Superman more than she hated the man who killed her husband?

So now, she's teaming up with her husband's killer to hurt Superman. Makes sense to me.

[Bry]

The way D Didi handles his editorial duties, and the way most editors just don't seem to give a crap, no. I've stopped finding anything odd about the way DC handles their books. It's either surprising or disappointing. Superman and Action have managed to be great books. Surprise! Supergirl lost my interest rather quickly after Loeb left. Disappointment. I only picked up this issue because I'm really interested in Power Boy and Lil' Barda. Unless Kelly gets me interested in Kara again, or keeps Power Boy around and starts fleshing him out, I'll probably stop reading again.

Oh, and Clark has mentioned Kara since "Up, Up, and Away." During the arc on Action by Kurt and Fabian, he mentions her when The Auctioneer says he detects two other Kryptonians on Earth besides Superman.

That's right, my cousin said the same thing to me too but you get the point. Dido for all the issues people have with him, I think he's tryin to turn the DCU around, mind you it's a hard thing to do when the fans hate on every move that he makes I'm not defending the guy I'm just saying that if he can keep his mouth shut and do more I think the DCU will be a lot more important

[Bry]

I believe the hurt and sick scenes were just flashbacks to when he was powerless during the missing year. They werent current and he wasnt sick cuz he was sad about missing her, I think he was sick because he was "human" at that point, but thats what I got out of it. They make it seem like, in current times, that Clark is worried about her and sad but he's willing to give her space and not bitch about it (except to Lois, apparently.)

I should've specified that, yeah I know what you mean I figured that it was during his missing year that the flashback occured but I just meant through out the book period and even when made a guest appearance in her book he was so worried about her that be beat her up! I just think it's really funny that they're setting it up like this that's all

[SKETCHSANCHEZ]

I should've specified that, yeah I know what you mean I figured that it was during his missing year that the flashback occured but I just meant through out the book period and even when made a guest appearance in her book he was so worried about her that be beat her up! I just think it's really funny that they're setting it up like this that's all

haha, I get ya