Top 15 Spider-Man Characters

[Mister Mets]

To celebrate my 2000 posts here/ complete lack of a life, I’ve decided to do a countdown of the 15 greatest Spider-man characters. The list includes villains (including three Goblins), supporting cast members, and the main man himself. Some of them have had greater success outside of the Spider-Man books, but they all debuted in either Amazing Spider-Man, or Amazing Fantasy #15. I doubt there’s much suspense over who #1 will be, and I admit that some worthy characters are kept off the list by more worthy characters, but I'm arrogant enough to think it's a good list. So without further ado....

15. Flash Thompson
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First Appearance: Amazing Fantasy #15
Creators: Stan Lee/ Steve Ditko
Flash Thompson started out as one of Peter’s greatest tormentors, with the delicious irony that he was also the world’s biggest Spider-Man fan. As far as brilliant concepts go, that’s right up there with the Clark Kent/ Lois Lane/ Superman love triangle. Then Stan Lee did something rare, and had the character mature into one of Peter’s best friends, sending him to the military, where he developed into a better man. Later highlights include his battle with alcoholism in JM Dematteis’s Spectacular Spider-Man run. This character isn’t used effectively enough by current writers, but has a tremendous amouny of potential.

Recommended Reading:
Amazing Spider-Man #5
Flash Thompson disguises himself as Spider-Man, and gets abducted by Doctor Doom. The highlight of this issue may just be the way Peter Parker savors his opponent's trouble. Adapted into one of the first episodes of the 90s Fox cartoon.
Amazing Spider-Man #17-19
This storyline is the best example of Flash's love of Spider-Man, as he convinces Spider-Man to come to a meeting of his fan club, and defends his hero after Spider-Man is accused of being a coward, even though it earns him a severe beating.
Webspinners #7-9
Peter Parker, and Flash Thompson compete for the same girl for the prom. Perhaps the high point of the Webspinners anthology. Revealed a more desperate side to the character.
Spider-Man: Blue
An excellent retelling of the best of Lee/ Romita's run, this story probably has a better rendition of Flash's decision to join the military (as it's no longer possible for Flash to get drafted.)
Amazing Spider-Man #107-108
A favorite of John Romita Sr, this storyline finds Flash Thompson dealing with incredible guilt, as enemies from Vietnam want to execute him for war crimes.
Spectacular Spider-Man #-1, 241-250
Flash Thompon’s battle with alcohol, containing both the lowest points of his life, the beginning of his recovery, and the introduction of his father.
Peter Parker Spider-Man #31
There’s a perfect three page scene in which Flash Thompson comforts a distraught Peter Parker (unaware Spider-Man’s about to face one of the greatest battles of his life) which serves as a reminder about how much he has changed, and how much things have remained the same.
Ultimate Spider-Man #65
The epilogue to the Carnage story revealed a potential for the Ultimate Flash to be a better man, and represented one of the few recent good scenes with his buddy Kong.

If you guys want to agree/ disagree/ suggest more recommended reading/ showcase your own lists, I'd love to see it. I'll probably update this on a daily or so basis.

[Mister Mets]

14. Sandman
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First Appearance: Amazing Spider-Man #4
Creators: Stan Lee/ Steve Ditko
Sandman has one of the best superpowers of any villain in comic books, not just the Spider-Man books, so it's no surprise that the villain was used for the third Spider-man film. His slow redemption, going so far as to join the Avengers for a limited time just made him more compelling as a character. His return to villainy was one of the highlights (there weren't many) of the Post-Reboot/ Pre- Jenkins/ JMS era. He's a character who had been underutilized recently, even when Spider-Man 3 came out.

Recommended Reading
Amazing Spider-Man #4/ Annual 1/ 18-19
These stories featured Sandman as a visually compelling villain, who used his abilities in creative ways. Each issue had some fantastic moments, especially the 10 panel non-fight which led to Spider-Man being declared a coward.
Fantastic Four #61-63
Sandman disappeared from the Spider-Man books for about a hundred issues, but worked just as well as a Fantastic Four villain. This Lee/ Kirby three-parter begins with the former Frightful Four member taking on the Fantastic Four by himself, and nearly killing Reed Richards. Things only get worse when Sandman sides with new villain Blastaar.
Webspinners #7-9
This untold storyline features Sandman trying to raise his profile as a supervillain, and getting mutated into a freak, when Spider-Man decides to take the easy way out.
Amazing Spider-Man #334-339
Probably the best storyline with Sandman as hero. He's blackmailed into joining the Sinister Six, and participating in one of Doctor Octopus's more twisted plans.
Spider-Man #18-23
A sequel to "Return of the Sinister Six" this storyline features Sandman trying to gain revenge against Doctor Octopus after the above storyline. The highlight for the character is what he does after he's transformed into glass, and shattered.
Spider-Man 3
It was a flawed movie, but Thomas Hayden Church's performance as Sandman was excellent (and he was a great choice for the role), and the special effects were astounding (and revolutionary.)

Aside- A Spider-Man VS Sinister Six oversized collection with the above two storylines would kick ass. Or they could both be part of an Erik Larsen omnibus to follow a Todd Mcfarlane omnibus.

[nuclearman]

Interesting start Cyberman... I don't think I'd have either of them in my top 15.. good characters nonetheless...

I look forward to the rest.

[brundlefly]

Definitely agree with Flash. Not necessarily with Sandman, personally, but you gave some good rationale for his inclusion. Plus, if everyone's Top 10 or 20 lists were exactly the same, then they wouldn't be very interesting.

Looking forward to checking out the remaining 13.

[Mister Mets]

13. Harry Osborn/ Green Goblin 2
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First Appearance: As Harry Osborn (Amazing Spider-Man #31)
As Green Goblin 2 (Amazing Spider-Man #136)
Creators: Lee/ Ditko
Soon after he first appeared, rich jerk Harry Osborn filled a void in Peter’s supporting cast, slowly becoming his best friend. But he had his flaws, developing an addiction to LSD. Then his father died, and he learned of his father’s legacy as the Green Goblin, deciding to become the villain himself. During his outings as the Green Goblin he was never as competent as his father, or the Hobgoblin, but that made him more compelling as a character. He gained stability becoming a husband and father, but his own father’s legacy was too much for him, and he became the Green Goblin one last time. He's been dead for more than a decade, and I honestly wouldn't mind a future writer with a plan bringing him back.

Recommended Reading
Amazing Spider-Man #39-40
Harry became a more sympathetic character in this storyline which established his twisted relationship with his father, who turned out to be Spider-man’s most dangerous enemy, ensuring Harry’s continued role in the series, and a tension between Peter and Harry as Peter realizes he can’t fight the Green Goblin without hurting his best friend’s dad.
Spider-Man: Blue
This mini series perfectly charts the progress of Peter’s friendship with Harry Osborn, as they become room mates, and Harry goes on to date Mary Jane.
Amazing Spider-Man #96-98
This storyline is notable for Harry’s overdose, and the end of his relationship with Mary Jane Watson. While I think it’s a tad overrated as a Spider-Man story, it is one of Harry’s best, and truly shows Peter’s love for his friend.
Amazing Spider-Man #121-122
Memorable for Harry’s second relapse, his intense guilt when he realizes the effect it has on his father, Peter Parker choosing between revenge and helping his best friend, and the set-up to Harry Osborn becoming the Green Goblin.
Amazing Spider-Man #136-137
Gerry Conway concludes plot threads he had been setting up for over an year, as the father becomes the son, and Peter Parker’s loved ones are put in danger.
Amazing Spider-Man #176-180
This concluded Len Wein’s run on Spider-Man, and his redemption of Harry Osborn, as the Green Goblin returned, but not in the way you'd expect.
Amazing Spider-Man #312
This storyline’s notable for a saner Harry Osborn being forced to use his father’s weapons against a crazed Hobgoblin. And it’s got Todd Mcfarlane drawing the Green Goblin, and Hobgoblin.
Spectacular Spider-Man #178-189, 199-200
I don’t understand why there isn’t a two volume series ‘Spectacular Spider-Man Visionaries: JM Dematteis” to collect this arc (or an Omnibus volume. That would be awesome.)
Anyway, JM Dematteis effectively turned Harry Osborn into a "big bad" for Spider-Man, a mastermind whose presence haunted issues he didn't appear in. It was one of the greatest challenges of Spider-Man's life, as even imprisoning his pal wasn't going to work. It all concluded in a tragic final encounter between the two best friends.
Spider-Man the Movie/ Spider-Man 2/ Spider-Man 3
Peter Parker’s friendship with Harry became an important part of these films, establishing a trilogy with a clear beginning, middle and end. The first featured Harry as a complex slightly spoiled kid who watched as his best friend stole the affections of his father, and his girl. The second featured Harry making good on his vow to avenge his father, and perfectly established him as a potential threat to Spider-Man. The third reminded viewers just how lonely he was, while showing him at his worst and eventually his best (in the final battle sequence). And there were some beautiful special effects in the fight sequences.

[Keehar]

I didn't think Harry would be that low in the list.

Looking forward to seeing the rest.

[Hellstormer]

Rocket Racer is so number 2. ;)

[Keehar]

Rocket Racer is so number 2. ;)

Hell no.

The Walrus is getting that.

[Mister Mets]

12. Kraven the Hunter
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First Appearance: Amazing Spider-Man #15
Creators: Stan Lee/ Steve Ditko
Given the animal-based abilities of Spider-man and his enemies, the idea of a hunter targeting him was a pretty good one. In the first fifty issues of Spider-Man, Kraven was an effective menace, a guy who just wanted to kill Spider-Man for no other reason than the bragging rights of having killed him. He then fell out of favor, until the six-part saga in which he beat, and buried Spider-Man. His legacy continues to haunt Spider-Man through his sons, his girlfriend Calypso, and through his crazed half-brother Chameleon. He'll probably appear in a future Spider-Man movie when the writers realize they if they can adapt Kraven's Last Hunt substituting the Lizard for Vermin, most of their job will be done for them.

Recommended Reading
Spectacular Spider-Man Annual 1996
An excellent retelling of Amazing Spider-Man #15 by JM Dematteis, this storyline explored how scary it was for Spider-Man to be poisoned, and foreshadowed the Kraven of the Final Symmetry storyline, while exploring Kraven's relationship to Chameleon in a darker way.
Amazing Spider-Man #34
The plot with Kraven impersonating Spider-Man foreshadows Kraven's Last Hunt, but really this is just a fun romp.
Amazing Spider-Man #47/ 49
Just another fun Kraven story, as the villain targets Peter Parker's friends, and later gets into an ill-advised team-up with the second Vulture.
Amazing Spider-Man Annual 1996: Heart and Soul
Excellent under-rated untold tale by Defalco & Frenz, notable for featuring Kraven trying to make good on his previous threats, and the scene in which George Stacy learns Spider-Man's ID.
Kraven’s Last Hunt
This may just be the best story for any of Spider-Man’s enemies. JM Dematteis resurrects the potential of this villain with a storyline in which he deals with his fears, and weaknesses, and wins. His age/ connection to Russia have become defining aspects of the character. I’ve heard the criticism that this story focused too much on Kraven to be a great Spider-Man story (which wouldn’t be valid if the four issues in which Spider-Man did appear weren’t so damn good.)
Spectacular Spider-Man #241-246
Not really a Kraven stor, but it dealt effectively with Chameleon's true relationship to Kraven (and opinion of the man), and did a good job of introducing Kraven's second son. This story insured that every Chameleon tale afterwards would reference Kraven.

Future Spider-Man Film
C'mon Marvel/ Sony, please? Just imagine Gerard Butler as a guy without any real super-powers who could still kick Spider-Man's ass.

[Mister Mets]

11. Roderick Kingsley/ The Hobgoblin
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First Appearance: Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man #43 (as Roderick Kingsley)
Amazing Spider-Man #238 (as Hobgoblin)
Creators: Roger Stern, John Romita Jr, John Romita Sr, Mike Zeck
Writer Roger Stern decided to replicate the thrill of the original Green Goblin mystery, and surpassed those issues with his introduction of the Hobgoblin, a villain who became notable for his brutal efficiency (and the quality of those first stories.) It’s a damn shame that the Hobgoblin, almost universally acknowledged as one of the great spider-Man villains hasn’t been used in the regular comic books for almost a decade, although the primary reason for that could be that the post-resurrection Norman Osborn has essentially usurped as the calm sometimes behind the scenes master villain (a deviation from the pre-resurrection Green Goblin.)

Recommended Reading
Amazing Spider-Man 238-251
This arc begins with the origin of the Hobgoblin, a villain who lacked Norman Osborn’s insanity, but more than made up for it in ruthlessness. Each appearance showed the villain becoming more and more experienced, and he became an effective “big bad” impacting stories he didn’t appear in, as when Spider-Man’s search for the Hobgoblin leads him to other villains.
An excellent summary of the era is available at...
http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/Top10s/top10Spideystories.html
Spider-Man: The Hobgoblin Lives #1-3
The Hobgoblin returns, his identity is finally revealed, that Jason Macendale shmuck dies, and Ned Leeds goes down in history as one of Peter Parker's murdered friends, and not as a master villain It’s a tragedy that he hasn’t been used much afterwards.

That's sadly it. The Hobgoblin's really underutilized in the current comics. I really hope to see more of the character in the future. The idea of Dan Slott & John Romita Jr writing an arc with the character is very appealing.

[Mister Mets]

10. The Alien Costume/ Venom
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First Appearance:
(Alien Costume) Amazing Spider-Man #252/ Secret Wars #8
(Venom) Amazing Spider-Man #299
(Mac Gargan) Amazing Spider-Man #19
(Perfect Venom) Marvel Knights Spider-Man #10
Creators:
(Mac Gargan) Lee/ Ditko
(Alien Costume) Jim Shooter
(Venom) David Micheline/ Todd Mcfarlane
(Perfect Venom) Mark Millar/ Terry Dodson

Venom isn't the first, or the best villain with the powers and abilities of the hero (Bizarro, Abomination, and Professor Zoom come to mind.) However, there's still a lot to like about the character. First there's the way Peter Parker brought the alien costume to Earth, making him somewhat responsible for everyone Venom (and Carnage) have killed. Eddie Brock's sheer hatred of Spider-Man and desire to just kill him made him a pretty scary foe (even if his motivations were a bit off) along with his knowledge of Spider-Man's secret identity. However, I think he's become an even more effective villain when the costume went into the hands of Mac Gargan, who was already one of Spider-Man's greatest enemies. The "Perfect Venom" has tremendous potential, and has already proven himself to be one of the scariest Spider-Man foes. Pity that so few writers have used the idea after Millar's run.

And I shouldn't neglect how cool the very idea of the alien costume: a costume that gives the hero more powers/ corrupts him is.

[Mister Mets]

Recommended Reading-Alien Costume

Amazing Spider-Man #252-259: The original alien costume saga. Still the highlight of Defalco's Spider-Man career.
Web of Spider-Man #1: The alien costume VS Spider-Man. Includes the cool moment with the alien costume impersonating a Spider-Man suit.
Ultimate Spider-Man #35: The alien costume saga supercompressed into one issue. The highlight of the issue (and the Ultimate Venom saga) is Spider-Man’s transformation when he gets pissed.
The Spider-Man 3 The movie could've been better at featuring how the Alien costume made Spider-Man stronger and more vicious, but I still recommend it.
Spidergirl #5: Still my favorite Spidergirl tale, as the symbiote escapes and takes over Peter Parker once more. I'm surprised it was done as a single issue.

Recommended Reading: Venom
Amazing Spider-Man #300
The first, and best Eddie Brock Venom story, and one of the strongest introductions to any Spider-Man villain.
Amazing Spider-Man #315-317
Micheline/ Macfarlane's follow-up. I love Eddie Brock paying a visit to Peter's home, and their brutal fights. Plus, he had great ways of escaping prison.
Spectacular Spider-Man #1-5
This was an under-rated story, especially the final issue, with new revelations about Venom, and Eddie Brock, as the Alien Costume began developing a mind of its own. It left Spider-Man in the difficult position of reuniting Brock and Venom, or allowing Eddie Brock to die.
Ultimate Spider-man the Video Game
Venom’s role in this game is greater than his role in the Ultimate comics, but his levels are so much fun to play. Plus, he's a helluva boss, especially that last fight with him.
Marvel Knights Spider-Man #5-12
Eddie Brock gives up the costume, and it gets into the hands of one of Spider-man's greatest foes. So good it was worth the crap that resulted from the overexposure of the character in the 90s.
Spider-Man 3: Topher Grace played Eddie Brock perfectly as the Anti-Peter Parker (an interesting interpretation) and the final battle was awesome. The biggest complaint was that Venom's role was too small, and might have been better split over two movies (with the first half showing the Alien Costume saga, and the second half featuring Venom.)

[Chris N]

Great list so far! Except maybe for Harry being a little low for my tastes... but I'll offer my unwanted 2 cents when it's all done.

We should be placing bets.

I've got Big Wheel at #7. Anyone wanna take over/under? What odds will you give me?

[Mister Mets]

If you guys thought that Harry was too low on the list.... :evilsmile
9. Mary Jane Watson (Parker)
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First Full Appearance: Amazing Spider-Man #42 (Cameo appearance in Amazing Spider-Man #25)
Creators: Stan Lee/ John Romita Sr

For several years she was a mystery woman Aunt May kept trying to set Peter up with. Then came perhaps the best introduction of any character in any comic book, as we met a party girl who dominated (in a good way) most scenes she was in, and made Gwen Stacy forgettable in comparison. Meanwhile she became the most unknowable character in the series, as Stan Lee only featured a single thought balloon for her in his entire run of Spider-Man. It made her compelling, and mysterious, and made you question the party girl facade. She was an indelible part of the supporting cast, and went on to become Spider-Man's loving wife, and a fixture of the Marvel Universe, with her own monthly book!

I'm probably going to be asked why I ranked her so low, so here goes...
1. I think the other 8 characters are more compelling on their own merits.
2. Mary Jane has remained a remarkably inconsistent character in her development from romantic complication to the love of Peter's life. The Mary Jane who's established as the future love of Peter's life (and the one in the Ultimate/ movie universes) are different characters than the one Lee created. I just don't see the 616 Spider-Man getting nicknamed "Brainy Jane."
3. Many of the elements which were used to establish Mary Jane as the true love of Peter's life smack of artificiality. There's the retcon that she always knew who Spider-Man was, which while unique, was contrary to many of her earlier scenes. It could have been developed a lot better, and has been notably ignored in recent Untold Tales (such as Spider-Man: Blue.) Then there's the out-of-nowhere idea that Peter's always been in love with MJ, which didn't originate with the movies, and while cute, just doesn't ring as true in relation to the earlier tales. Their wedding was also rushed, and I think she's been portrayed as more of a plot device than a character, as writers often don't know what to do with her.

[Mister Mets]

Recommended Reading:
Untold Tales of Spider-Man #16: "Who's that Girl?" Spider-Man from the POV of a girl who knows who Spider-Man is, but doesn't know Peter Parker. A highlight of Busiek's Untold Tales.
Amazing Spider-Man #42: For perhaps the best introduction in Marvel history.
Spider-Man Blue:Adapts some great Spider-Man stories, with a focus on the Gwen/Peter/MJ love triangle, and it does it perfectly.
Amazing Spider-Man #121-122: For the choice Mary Jane has to make at the end.
Amazing Spider-Man #141-149: This storyline showed the development of Peter, and Mary Jane's relationship in the aftermath of Gwen's death, along with the first great complication, as Gwen Stacy seemingly returns from the dead.
Amazing Spider-Man #242-243: Roger Stern brings the character back after an extended absence to further complicate Peter's love life.
Spider-Man VS Wolverine:This was a great example from the period where Mary Jane was Peter's confidante, and nothing more. It explored their relationship as Peter was left essentially shell-shocked after several tragedies.
Kraven's Last Hunt: Compelling look at what it's like to Spider-Man's wife. Several weeks in their relationship her husband goes missing, someone else is wearing the costume, and Mary Jane doesn't know where to turn.
Amazing Spider-Man #365: John Romita Sr recalls his romance comic skills writing an untold tale of Mary Jane, and Gwen.
Spectacular Spider-Man #200: The conclusion of one of Spider-Man's greatest challenges. And it his wife who saves the day, overcoming her worse nightmare, and recognizing the good in a former friend.
Spectacular Spider-Man #241-245: The highlight of JM Dematteis's second run on Spectacular Spider-Man may just be his portrayal of Mary Jane in this five part storyline, as a woman dealing with the aftermath of a tragedy, and still demonstrating an unwillingness to go along with a villain's plan. The scene with Spider-Man swinging with Mary Jane is one of the most romantic in the series.
Marvel Knights Spider-Man #1-12: This may be the definitive Mary Jane as Peter's wife comic. Great scenes include Peter sending her away when a new villain learns his identity, realizing her jealousy with the Black Cat, unpaid credit card bills leading to money problems (a great example of the Parker luck), and Mary Jane vowing not to end up like Gwen.
Web of Romance: Beautiful romantic one-shot by Beland, as Spider-Man gets the perfect Valentine's Day present for his wife.
Sensational Spider-Man Annual One: Excellent look at Peter & MJ's relationship in the aftermath of Civil War, and their loyalty to one another.

Ultimate Spider-Man: Bendis makes the brilliant move of redoing Spider-Man as the best damn teen soap opera there is, with each development in the relationship seeming real, as Peter and Mary
Jane deal with break-ups, threats to her safety, divorcing parents, and some real tragedies.
Spider-Man/ Spider-Man 2/ Spider-Man 3: The decision to make these movies more about Peter, and Mary Jane than Spider-Man has made the studios a lot of money, and led to some truly memorable scenes.
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[Chris N]

I completely understand the placement of MJ and your reasons are spot on. In fact, it makes me quite sad thinking about it, because she did have potential. From her first introduction to when Roger Stern brought her back, the potential was there. If they'd just taken their time with the wedding and figured out her character and long-term goals better...

Her low placement didn't need defense, but yours was perfect. Harry on the other hand...

[Mister Mets]

I think I may have to defend this guy's low position too. I should note that I consider him Spider-Man's archenemy. He's just not my favorite Spider-Man villain.
8. Norman Osborn/ The Green Goblin
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Creators: Lee/ Ditko
First Appearance: Green Goblin- Amazing Spider-Man #14
Norman Osborn: Amazing Spider-Man #37

Imagine how you'd feel today if there was a new mystery villain in the Spider-Man books. Let's call Mysteryman. After several years, Mysteryman's identity is finally revealed (not because the hero learns any major clue, but because the villain decides to reveal what he has done), and it turns out to be minor character's father, introduced two issues ago! That's just what happened with the Green Goblin, but Lee/ Romita made it work. Norman Osborn quickly became a compelling character, especially with the knowledge that he could become the Green Goblin again at any time with bad results. And of course that's exactly what happened in a storyline which killed off Norman Osborn, and Gwen Stacy.

Norman's twisted legacy lived on as his son Harry tried to take over the family business. His weapons were later found, and used by the Hobgoblin. For twenty years, he was still referenced as one scary individual, a legacy that no dead villain has matched.

Then he returned, revealed as the mastermind of the Clone Saga. And he soon returned to the public life, buying the Daily Bugle, and doing what he could to make Spider-Man's life a living hell. Eventually, he snapped, and was exposed as the Green Goblin. For a brief while, he had been tied to pretty much any bad thing to happen to Spidey pre-Civil War. He became a more significant fixture in the Marvel Universe as the leader of the Thunderbolts. A showdown with Spider-Man is inevitable, as the two of them haven't discussed "Sins Past" yet.

There's a lot to like about the character. He's an incredibly strong individual, with a tendency to be many steps ahead of his opponents. He's actually benefited from his resurrection, now that he can remember that he's the Green Goblin for more than two issues at a time, allowing his plots to be more impressive. It's worth noting that he's able to control his image, and what others think of him very well. He told Spider-Man his identity, and that he outed himself as the Green Goblin. He also loves what he does, which is rare and fun for a supervillain. His connection to Peter Parker is also on a far more personal level between most villains, and their heroic archenemies.

He does have some weaknesses as a character. The character we see in today's comics is a bit derivative of the likes of the post-Man of Steel Lex Luthor and the Joker. It's inconsistent with the Silver Age portrayal of Norman Osborn as a decent guy, who just went a little nuts sometimes. And with "Sins Past" he may just have become involved in one too many conspiracies. Still, he's a great character with the potential to become more compelling in the future.

Recommended Reading:
Amazing Spider-Man #17: The strongest Lee/ Ditko Green Goblin tale, this is a great example of why the Green Goblin was such a compelling and ruthless villain, as he ambushes Spider-Man at the first meeting of the Spider-Man fan club, and tackles with the Human Torch.
Amazing Spider-Man #39-40: The Green Goblin is one of the few villains who becomes scarier when his identity is revealed, but it's notable that he learns Spider-Man's ID first. This story sets up the status quo for the two characters for the next 80 issues.
Amazing Spider-man #47: Fun tale with Kraven the Hunter wanting Norman Osborn to repay the Green Goblin's debt.
Spectacular Spider-Man #2: Rare/ under-rated Lee/ Romita clash between Spider-Man and his archenemy, without drugs or Gwen Stacy to get in the way, as Norman scares the shit out of Peter Parker during a nice dinner gathering.
Amazing Spider-Man #121-122: The Green Goblin does something that no other Spider-man villain has ever topped, and gets one hell of a death scene.
Spider-Man #75: After two years, the clone saga needed an effective mastermind for the final battle, and Norman Osborn was the most effective choice, establishing him as Spider-Man's greatest enemy.
Peter Parker Spider-Man #25: I honestly prefer this take on the character to "Death in the Family." The idea of Norman Osborn trying to make Spider-Man his heir provides a connection the two have needed since Harry's death, and provides an excellent look at their differences, and the events which shaped Osborn.
Marvel Knights Spider-man #1-12: Best example of Osborn as ruthless supervillain, and behind the scenes manipulator. Who else could put together the Sinister Twelve? Also I love the idea that Osborn got his money getting paid to make supervillains.
Spider-Man the Movie: Power Ranger costume aside, William Dafoe played the role perfectly, adding another level to Peter's relationship with the man. Oscorp's business losses just made Osborn more complex.
Ultimate Spider-Man #1-7, 22-27: Osborn's involvement in Spider-Man's origin was one of Bendis's best moves. When he finally became sane, he was a truly scary guy, and Bendis really brings his ruthlessness and arrogance across.

[Keehar]

I think I may have to defend this guy's low position too. I should note that I consider him Spider-Man's archenemy. He's just not my favorite Spider-Man villain.


After the amount of crappy stories he's had since they ressurrected him in the Clone Saga, most notably Sins Past, I think you might be forgiven here ;)

[Mister Mets]

I completely understand the placement of MJ and your reasons are spot on. In fact, it makes me quite sad thinking about it, because she did have potential. From her first introduction to when Roger Stern brought her back, the potential was there. If they'd just taken their time with the wedding and figured out her character and long-term goals better...

Her low placement didn't need defense, but yours was perfect. Harry on the other hand...
Glad you agree with me.

Although I should note that I think she has met some of her potential as she's still on my list.


Great list so far! Except maybe for Harry being a little low for my tastes... but I'll offer my unwanted 2 cents when it's all done.

We should be placing bets.

I've got Big Wheel at #7. Anyone wanna take over/under? What odds will you give me?
I'm willing to bet against you, or with you in an insider-trading type thing.

I would love to hear what type of characters you guys expect to see in the remaining seven slots.
And I'd love to see you guys making lists of your own.


After the amount of crappy stories he's had since they ressurrected him in the Clone Saga, most notably Sins Past, I think you might be forgiven here ;)
Glad to hear it.

[Chris N]

After the amount of crappy stories he's had since they ressurrected him in the Clone Saga, most notably Sins Past, I think you might be forgiven here ;)

I don't agree. I think you can be selective about where to stop worrying about a character for a list like this. His role through the death of Gwen is really what we should be discussing when we talk of Norman.

Harry was a great character through his death. If he comes back and they do crappy stories with him, I'd hate to see that diminish his ranking.

[Mister Mets]

I don't agree. I think you can be selective about where to stop worrying about a character for a list like this. His role through the death of Gwen is really what we should be discussing when we talk of Norman.

Harry was a great character through his death. If he comes back and they do crappy stories with him, I'd hate to see that diminish his ranking.
This is kind of a weird point.
I usually judge creators/ characters by the quality of their best stories, but I think some level of consistency is important for characters, so bad stories can theoretically drag a character down.

The best characters have enough good stories that the quality of the worst stories won't really matter. And eventually you'll have someone writing the character well.

In Harry's case though should he ever be resurrected (which will probably happen. Eventually.) any flaws in his portrayal can be chalked up as brain damage or something post-resurrection. So that can have no negative impact on his appearance on lists like this. His resurrection can only have a positive impact by raising the quality of his best stories.

[Mister Mets]

7. May Parker
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Creators: Lee/ Ditko
First Appearance: Amazing Fantasy #15

She's the most important woman in Spider-Man's life, but the thing that makes her compelling is her combination of strength and frailty. She was certainly overbearing, but she was also willing to pawn everything she owned so her nephew could eat well. And her hatred of Spider-Man just made their relationship more fun, although her recent knowledge of her nephew's hobby has only made her a stronger and more interesting character.

Recommended Reading
Amazing Spider-Man #17-18: Because I really love the idea that Aunt May's ability to overcome obstacles inspires her nephew to get back in costume.
Amazing Spider-Man #31-35: This storyline perfectly establishes Peter's love for his Aunt, and her concern for him, even when she should be worried about herself.
Amazing Spider-Man #54-59: It's fun when Aunt May invites Doctor Octopus as a boarder to her house, and a perfect example of her naivety. Her heart attack as a result of a battle between Spider-Man, and Doctor Octopus and her fears when her nephew goes missing are perfect complications for Spider-Man.
Amazing Spider-Man #254-255: Peter tells his aunt that he's dropping out of graduate school, and she doesn't take it well. Perfect example of a time they didn't get along well.
Amazing Spider-Man #271: Peter fails his aunt, during a rocky time in their relationship.
Spectacular Spider-Man #186-188: This story demonstrates her strength, as the Vulture asks forgiveness for killing the man she loved.
Amazing Spider-Man #400: It's no longer valid in continuity, which may just be a good idea given the good stories we've gotten since her return. This was still a perfect sendoff to the character.
Webspinners #7-9: It's not that one of the best Spider-Man stories, but this is the third time I'm including it on my recommended reading, because Joe Kelly captures both Aunt May's naivety, and her ability to inspire Peter to be a better man, even if it takes breaking his heart a little (and he deserves it.)
Peter Parker Spider-Man #21: Lovely scenes of Aunt May & Peter discussing their shared losses.
Amazing Spider-Man Volume 2 #38:The conversation Peter Parker had been dreading for decades, and it was just as perfect as it should have been. Includes difficult revelations from both characters.
Amazing Spider-Man Volume 2 #39, 43-45: JMS handles the aftermath of Aunt May learning about Spider-Man's identity perfectly.
Peter Parker Spider-Man #50: Jenkins/ Buckigham deal with one of the most uncomfortable aspects of Aunt May learning Spider-Man's identity, as she realizes what this means about Gwen Stacy.
Amazing Spider-Man #519: The beginning of the New Avengers arc. Recommended, because of the reason Aunt May's worried about when her house burns down. Just a perfect moment for the character. This storyline also proves her ability to live in the same house as some A-list superheroes.
Spider-Man/ Spider-Man 2/ Spider-Man 3: Rosemary Harris was an excellent choice to play the character, and the movies gave her some great scenes, demonstrating the attributes which define her: grief, strength, and her love of her nephew.

[Mister Mets]

6. Doctor Octopus
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First Appearance: Amazing Spider-Man #3
Creators: Lee/ Ditko
Aside from costume changes, Doctor Octopus has been remarkably unchanged since his first appearance, and that's probably a good thing. He's a mad scientist with control over weapons so iconic they've inspired countless imitators (*cough cough* Omega Red.) What more do you want? He's become a fixture of the Marvel Universe, and probably appeared in more comics than any other Spider-Man villain, because he's such a fun character.

Recommended Reading (And I've yet to scratch all the good stuff)
Amazing Spider-Man Annual 1: Features a daring prison escape, an underwater battle with Spider-Man, and Doctor Octopus assembling a team of Spider-Man's enemies. He's smart enough to know how they best operate, and plan accordingly.
Amazing Spider-Man #53-56: This actually feels like several great Doctor Octopus stories rolled into one. The highlights are the tension as Doctor Octopus stays as a boarder in Aunt May's house, and the way he convinces an amnesiac Spider-Man that they're allies.
Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man #78-79: There's a better review of it available on the Spidey Kicks butt site, but this story features a Doc Ock so scary Spider-Man visits some friends before the big battle to say his good-byes just in case the worst should happen.
http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/Top10s/top10Spideystories.html
Fantastic Four #267: The best Doctor Octopus tale, and Spider-Man's not even in it. This story, possibly the highlight of Byrne's Fantastic Four run hints at something redeeming about the character, while demonstrating how dangerous he is even at his weakest (after a mental breakdown.)
Amazing Spider-Man #334-339: First, I love Erik Larsen's Doctor Octopus. I think it's the best take of the character any artist has yet to do. Doc Ock's never been better as a vicious criminal mastermind, with a plan to make a lot of money that might actually work. Pity it nearly kills everyone on Earth.
Spider-Man Unlimited #3: The first, and perhaps still the best sympathetic view of Doctor Octopus's origin, as he recalls his first love, and some of the events which defined him.
Spider-Man 2: The character really isn't the same as the one from the comics, but he looks exactly like Doc Ock should look, especially in those beautiful battle sequences.

[Mister Mets]

5. Frank Castle/ The Punisher
First Appearance: Amazing Spider-Man #129
Creators: Gerry Conway/ John Romita Sr
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The question with this guy isn't whether he's good enough as a character to belong on the list, but whether he's a Spider-Man character to begin with. I've decided that he counts, because he was introduced in the Spider-Man comics, and Mark Millar relied on Spider-Man's past history with the Punisher for the big moment with the character in Civil War #5. That said, Punisher has become a more compelling character through his appearances outside the Spider-Man books, but I won't hold it against him. He is by far the most successful character introduced in the Spider-Man books, as the plans for the movie sequel should prove (and there's something weird with the world when they made a Punisher movie before they made a Spider-Man film.)
The core of the character is perfect. Vietnam Veteran wages a war against all criminals after his wife and children are killed by criminals. His ultracompetence makes him compelling, and also makes him an archtype (hard to imagine he's been around for more than thrity years) which others have tried to imitate. He's a human character able to kick the asses of superheroes/ supervillains, and he has a unique code of ethics which may just be preferable to that of the heroes. He also walks the hero and villain better than any character in comics.

Recommended Reading:
Amazing Spider-Man Annual 15- Punisher VS Doctor Octopus. This tale was probably the highlight of Dennis O'Neil's run on the character (and Frank Miller's too) and really established the Punisher as someone who most officials want to see in prison.
Daredevil #181-184: Miller revisited the character in this storyline, and had the perfect take on the character, as an ultracompetent vigilante. His cameo in the famed Bullseye VS Elektra story is also memorable.
Ultimate Marvel Team Up #6-8: Making the Ultimate Punisher a betrayed cop with an absolute sense of morals just makes the character more timeless, although everything else about the character is true to the original.
Punisher Volume 4 #18: Ennis/ Dillon tell a quiet story as the Punisher meets an old friend from the first Marvel Knights mini series, and ponders living the quiet life. Hell any Ennis/ Dillon Punisher tale is worth getting.
Born: The events which defined Frank Castle in Vietnam. Breathtaking.
Punisher- The Cell: Features the one event that would have the Punisher decide to go on a mission with no way out. Highlight of Ennis' run in the character.
Punisher MAX #25-30: "The Slavers." If Marvel wants to make some money and get critical acclaim, this would be the next Punisher sequel. Excellent story of Punisher VS sex slave traffickers, that justifies Punisher going MAX.
Civil War: Punisher's return to mainstream Marvel. He's got great scenes with Spider-Man, and remains at his uncompromising best, during his brief alliance with Captain America (which ends for the appropriate reasons).

[Chris N]

So the next four must be JJJ, Robbie, Gwen, and the Big Wheel. Wonder what order you'll go in.

[Mister Mets]

4. Wilson Fisk/ The Kingpin
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First Apperance: Amazing Spider-Man #50
Creators: Stan Lee/ John Romita Sr
The Kingpin was introduced as a very big man who can beat the hell out of superheroes, and has done so several times. Someone whose bulk is underestimated, he's an immensely scary guy, and he proves his ruthlessness and effectiveness often. This isn't to suggest that he's flawless as a crime boss, as his desire to keep Daredevil's identity his own little secret nearly gets him killed by his own allies. And he had a well-known and imperfect love for his wife and son, which didn't work out too well.
He made a seamless transition from Spider-Man villain to Daredevil villain, and I'm counting the great Daredevil stories in his favor. That's where he became the humble seller of spices, and developed the legitimate businessman facade which would eventually be copied by Lex Luthor (pre-Crisis of Infinite Earths Luthor was always a man scientist) and Norman Osborn. But he returned to the Spider-Man books in a big way by ordering a hit on Aunt May.

Recommended Reading
Amazing Spider-Man #50-52: Kingpin makes a great entrance, starting a crime war when Peter Parker briefly gives up being Spider-Man. Kingpin corrupts a seemingly reformed former enemy of Spider-Man, threatens J Jonah Jameson, and contributes to the death of a supporting cast member.
Amazing Spider-Man #196-197: The Kingpin's wife gives him 24 hours to tie up loose ends, and he includes killing Spider-Man in that. The question isn't whether he's able to kill Spider-Man, but whether he's willing to give up his wife to do so.
Daredevil: Man Without Fear #3-5: The Kingpin's vicious rise to power. Shows just how nasty and scary the guy is.
Daredevil #170-172: Frank Miller flawlessly brings the Kingpin out of retirement and establishes him as a Daredevil villain, when his former lieutenants try to get him killed. The one thing they forget is that he is immensely better at it than they are. This also begins Kingpin's legitimate businessman stage.
Daredevil #227-233: The best Marvel comic I've ever read. It's just amazing how effectively Kingpin destroys Daredevil's life after learning his secret identity.
Daredevil Volume 2 #76-87: This storyline shows how intimidating the Kingpin can be even in custody.
Ultimate Spider-Man #8-13: I'd go so far as to say that this is an improvement over "Spider-Man No More" as Bendis's 15 year old Spider-Man decides to take down legitimate businessman Wilson Fisk, and gets his ass kicked.
Ultimate Spider-Man #47-49: This storyline deals with the injustice of the world, as the Kingpin returns to New York City/ public life despite being videotaped murdering a man.
Amazing Spider-Man #537-542: There was no one better to order the hit on Peter's family in the aftermath of Civil War, and no better way for the Kingpin to remind the world that he is one of Spider-Man's most vicious enemies
Daredevil (the movie): Say what you will about the quality of the film, Michael Clarke Duncan made an intimidating Kingpin.

[Mister Mets]

3. Doctor Curt Connors/ The Lizard
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For starters, the Lizard's abilities (control over reptiles/ strength/ speed/ ability to breathe underwater/ wall-scaling) are pretty cool, and he represents something impressive in Spider-Man's pantheon, as an animal based villain so far gone that he's forgotten that he's human.
Then there's the man underneath the disguise: Curt Connors- a brilliant scientist who thought he had found the breakthrough in limb regeneration and tested the serum on himself, because he didn't want to risk the life of anyone else. Curt Connors has become an effective ally to Spider-man, when he's not going nuts and trying to start a reptile rebellion.
The fusion of enemy/ decent man creates a weird tension, when Spider-Man can't fight all out against the Lizard, because he knows about the good man underneath. This type of villain has become its own archtype with Vermin, Man-Wolf, Morbius, the Batman foe Man-Bat, and many more.

Recommended Reading:
Ultimate Marvel Team Up #10: A great retelling of the Lizard's origin, which may just represent the perfect origin for a villain, and define the old "Road to hell" maxim.
Amazing Spider-Man #32-33: Perfect example of Connors trying to repay the debt he owes Spidey, and serving as one of the character's best allies.
Spider-Man Blue #2-3: When Curt Connors exposes himself to the materials which made him into the Lizard to help Spider-Man stop the Rhino, and admits what he's doing, it's a great moment.
Amazing Spider-Man #73-77: In addition to dealing with the Lizard, Spider-Man's gotta stop the Human Torch from killing him.
Amazing Spider-Man #101-102: Just a chaotic situation as Spider-man finds himself needing Lizard's help against Morbius.
Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man #127: A B-list crime figure abducts Connors' family, and he's forced to fight without Spider-Man's help. My favorite Lizard tale.
Spider-Man #1-5: Mcfarlane's art is gorgeous, and no one's drawn the Lizard better. This storyline reinvents the Lizard as a scary brainwashed monster (the Hulk with claws), and strangely plays to Mcfarlane's weaknesses as a writer.
Exiles #17: This alternate history tale looks at a world in which the Lizard has won, and made millions of people like him.
Sensational Spider-Man #23-27: Just for ignoring "Lizard's Tale" and feauting Billy Connors as Little Lizard.
Spider-Man 4: Please, Marvel/ Sony? I'll be nice. Wouldn't a Kraven's Last Hunt adaptation with Lizard in Vermin's role just be perfect?

[Shade 20x6]

I'm not sure I like where this is going. Obviously, Spidey himself would be #1, and I'd think that Uncle Ben and Gwen have to be #2 and 3, seeing as how they've had such a huge impact on how the character was created and evolved. There are no arguing those as the top 3, IMO.

And because of all he's done to Spidey over the years, Norman should have been higher, all the way up to #4 IMO. There has been no greater villain when it comes to turning Spidey's world upside-down.

Of course, I'm looking at this list as the 15 most important Spider-Man characters.

My own personal list would be:

1) Peter Parker/Spider-Man
2) Ben Parker (Uncle Ben)
3) Gwen Stacy
4) Norman Osborn/Green Goblin
5) Eddie Brock/Venom
6) Harry Osborn/Green Goblin II
7) Otto Octavius/Dr. Octopus
8) May Parker (Aunt May)
9) Sergei Kravinoff/Kraven the Hunter
10) Mary Jane Watson-Parker
11) J. Jonah Jameson
12) Wilson Fisk/Kingpin
13) Frank Castle/Punisher
14) Roderick Kingsley/Hobgoblin
15) Ben Reilly/Scarlet Spider & Spider-Man II

[Mister Mets]

I'm not sure I like where this is going. Obviously, Spidey himself would be #1, and I'd think that Uncle Ben and Gwen have to be #2 and 3, seeing as how they've had such a huge impact on how the character was created and evolved. There are no arguing those as the top 3, IMO.

And because of all he's done to Spidey over the years, Norman should have been higher, all the way up to #4 IMO. There has been no greater villain when it comes to turning Spidey's world upside-down.

Of course, I'm looking at this list as the 15 most important Spider-Man characters.

My own personal list would be:

1) Peter Parker/Spider-Man
2) Ben Parker (Uncle Ben)
3) Gwen Stacy
4) Norman Osborn/Green Goblin
5) Eddie Brock/Venom
6) Harry Osborn/Green Goblin II
7) Otto Octavius/Dr. Octopus
8) May Parker (Aunt May)
9) Sergei Kravinoff/Kraven the Hunter
10) Mary Jane Watson-Parker
11) J. Jonah Jameson
12) Wilson Fisk/Kingpin
13) Frank Castle/Punisher
14) Roderick Kingsley/Hobgoblin
15) Ben Reilly/Scarlet Spider & Spider-Man II

I made my list based on what characters from the Spider-Man franchise were the most interesting. Their relationships to Peter were important aspects of how interesting they were (especially in the cases of Flash Thompson, Aunt May, Mary Jane Watson, and the Osborns) but I used other criteria as well.

Your list is a good one based on your criteria on the impact on how Spider-Man evolved, but that's not the criteria I was considering. Gwen Stacy, and Uncle Ben aren't on my list because they weren't as interesting as characters as the other 15.

I'd probably rank Jonah higher, given his role in diminishing Spider-Man's reputation/ giving Peter Parker money.
I'd also rank May above Harry.

[Mister Mets]

2. J Jonah Jameson
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First Appearance: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Creators: Lee/ Ditko
J Jonah Jameson is my favorite supporting cast member from any comic book, topping even Commissioner Gordon. He started the series as an influential crackpot who singlehandedly convinced the world that Spider-Man is not to be trusted. He soon became Spider-Man's boss, and his paper the Daily Bugle became a key fixture of the Marvel universe, impacting many other heroes, and villains, going far enough to bring down mayors. His criticisms of Spider-Man have often made the hero question himself.
He's flawed, stingy, doesn't get along well with others, and admits that he wants to bring down the heroes because he knows he can't measure up to the standards they set for humanity.
He's also courageous, willing to risk his life to expose corruption. He's a self made man, who went from copyboy to owning the Daily Bugle. Some day, someone's going to write an excellent "The Life & Times of Scrooge McDuck" type story, covering his rise.
He's a fun character with surprising depth. And only one character from the franchise can top that.

Recommended Reading
Amazing Spider-Man #10 The ending of this story revealed the petty man who wanted to bring down the hero. Groundbreaking in the Silver Age. Still stunning today.
Amazing Spider-Man #24 Jonah, and a suspicious mental health expert convince all of New York, including Spider-Man that the hero's going nuts.
Marvels The Marvel Universe as told through a Daily Bugle reporter, also features Jonah's progression from World War 2 reporter to the Bugle owner.
Fantastic Four #50 On the eve of the Fantastic Four's greatest victory, J Jonah Jameson convinces half of New York that it was all a scam.
Amazing Spider-Man #50-52 First Jonah convinces Peter Parker to give up being Spider-Man, and enjoys the victory. Then his refusal to back down on reports of the Kingpin earns him a visit from mobsters, and results in the death of a friend. Shows him at his worst, and most noble.
Amazing Spider-Man Annual 15 This story looks at the process behind the headline, including the low sales cause by each "Threat or Menace" article.
Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man #107-110: For Jonah asking a Reverand Al type minister "Are you calling me a racist?" and his reaction to discovering that the Sin-Eater attacked his house.
Daredevil #227-233 What's Jonah to do when his best reporter has been assaulted, and traumatized?
Spider-Man Movies JK Simmons stole the first movie with his great performance as Jonah, distilling what's fun and noble about the character (as in the scene where he refuses to give up Peter to the Green Goblin.) Plus, it's become so famous it's been parodied in other pop culture (such as a recent episode of The Simpsons.) It may just be the most memorable thing about some of the most successful movies ever made!
Tangled Web #20 Probably the best Jonah story. This underappreciated Zeb Wells masterwork looks at the events which defined the character, as he's forced to visit a psychiatrist after his latest heart attack. Highlights include him taking over the psychiatrist's chair, and explaining how he never repressed his anger.
Marvel Knights Spider-Man #1-12 Because Peter's solution for ending his conflicts with Jonah is just so perfect, as is Jonah's reaction.
New Avengers #15: There was no other way he could react to the offer of an exclusive on the New Avengers.
Civil War #2/ Amazing Spider-Man #533/ Civil War- Frontline #3: Because Jonah reacts perfectly to the news that someone he knows is Spider-Man.
Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #23: Excellent conclusion to Peter David's run on the series, as Jonah has a showdown with Peter Parker, now that Spider-Man's at his lowest point.
Ultimate Spider-Man #47-49: Sums up the complexities and good of the character perfectly, as Jonah makes a bad decision, and Peter suffers the consequences. I also love the reveals about Jonah's past: "I liked you better when you were an alcoholic" and the story of his son.

[Green Goblin]

So who is number one then

[Keehar]

I definitely don't agree with ranking the likes of Kingpin and the Punisher over Ock, Harry Osborn, Aunt May etc.

But it's your list.

[Mister Mets]

And for the finish....

1. Could it be anyone else?
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First Appearance: Amazing Fantasy #15
Creators: Lee/ Ditko

Peter Parker/ Spider-Man is the best superhero, and probably the best character in comics. He's got the same flaws and neurosis that ordinary people do. He's had girl problems, grade problems, and all sorts of social problems. When he developed superpowers, his first instinct was to make as much money as he could, which led to his tragic lesson, probably one of the greatest twists in all of 20th century fiction.
His costume's awesome, and his powers are pretty cool. Spidersense, wall-crawling, and webshooting are all iconic things for superheroes to do, but no one did it first.
The readers could identify with him, even though he's probably smarter, more handsome, and let's face it: morally stronger than they are.
His supporting cast, and rogues gallery are probably the best in comics, which provides a lot of other great characters to develop him.
40+ years after his first appearance, it's seen as unusual when his comics aren't topping sales charts. His movies have topped all other superhero movies in terms of sales. And I'm sure we'll get many great stories with him in the future as the best and brightest of this industry (and as JMS has proved: other industries) compete to work on the character, and provide their own spin on him, only making him more interesting.



Recommended Reading: I did a Top 15 Spider-Man stories list for my 1000th post. Those stories still apply.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=68955
Come on. Help me get 10,000 views!

[Mister Mets]

To recapitulate: I believe that the Top 15 characters from the Spider-Man books are

1. Spider-Man
2. J Jonah Jameson
3. Doctor Curt Connors/ The Lizard
4. Wilson Fisk/ The Kingpin
5. The Punisher
6. Doctor Octopus
7. Aunt May
8. Norman Osborn/ The Green Goblin
9. Mary Jane Watson Parker
10. Alien Costume/ Venom
11. Roderick Kingsley/ The Hobgoblin
12. Kraven the Hunter
13. Harry Osborn
14. Sandman
15. Flash Thompson

I judged the characters based on how interesting/ special/ etc I thought they were, and often considered stories outside of the Spider-Man books.

[Chris N]

I guess it depends on the standards used. Significance to the Spidey titles I hope would have knocked Doc Ock and Norman much higher. And perhaps caused Gwen to be included.

It's a fine list though, and you obviously know your Spidey history. I like that. Our biggest disagreement seems to be in Millar's Spiderman which you keep recommending, but I stopped reading after 4 issues (it was the first time I had decided to NOT buy a comic with Spidey in it in over 10 years of collecting Spidey)

I have a personal love for Harry, Norman, Gwen, and Robbie and all would have been much higher had I made a list (which I haven't at this moment). To make space for Gwen and Robbie, I'd have deleted Sandman and... either Hobgoblin or Venom, though I do like both. Maybe Flash. No, not flash. Say Hobbie. I'd have felt forced to delete Hobgoblin to get Robbie on my list and Sandman to get Gwen on.

Merry Christmas!

[Gamma Burst]

Excellent list,Cyberman!

[trojanrabbit]

Good List and in good order!!

[Mister Mets]

I guess it depends on the standards used. Significance to the Spidey titles I hope would have knocked Doc Ock and Norman much higher. And perhaps caused Gwen to be included.

It's a fine list though, and you obviously know your Spidey history. I like that. Our biggest disagreement seems to be in Millar's Spiderman which you keep recommending, but I stopped reading after 4 issues (it was the first time I had decided to NOT buy a comic with Spidey in it in over 10 years of collecting Spidey)

I have a personal love for Harry, Norman, Gwen, and Robbie and all would have been much higher had I made a list (which I haven't at this moment). To make space for Gwen and Robbie, I'd have deleted Sandman and... either Hobgoblin or Venom, though I do like both. Maybe Flash. No, not flash. Say Hobbie. I'd have felt forced to delete Hobgoblin to get Robbie on my list and Sandman to get Gwen on.

Merry Christmas!

Happy New Years!
Characters aren't really chosen for their significance to Peter Parker/ Spider-Man, just how much I like them as characters (although I admit that their relationships with Spider-man are sometimes the reasons I like a few of the characters (Flash Thompson, the Osborns, Aunt May, MJ, etc.)

I think Robbie Robertson is a character with tremendous potential, and I admit I haven't read some of the best-regarded "Robbie" stories: The Tombstone epic, and the story where he talks about his first miscarriage. I just don't find him a more interesting character than the other 15. It's the same with Gwen Stacy, as I find very little to differentitate herself from similar Spider-Man and Marvel characters. Both are important to Peter Parker, but that doesn't make them two of the best characters in comics history, a list I believe my 15 choices belong on. That said, I would love to see your lists (or the lists of anyone else reading this) ranked or unranked, and using whatever criteria you guys want (although I recommend that you explain your criteria to avoid needless confusion/ later explanations.)

Sorry you didn't like Millar's Spider-Man. I loved it, but I understand that it was somewhat controversial, and a few readers just couldn't stand it (well- more than a few if you look at how quickly and steadily the sales figured declined.) Stan Lee loved it though, so there! :D

[Willminus2]

If your list is based upon interest then here is my top 15 based upon interest.

15. May Mayday Parker (Spidergirl)
I love this girl and all of her stories have been really good. So good in fact that she has spawned a whole universe almost.

14. The Vulture
I prefer the Vulture to alot of the more menacing villains because the idea of an old man who is a villain and who is ruthless in his attempts at murdering spiderman.

13. The Chameleon
This guy has the best powers of any of spidey's villains. I think he is very interesting and he definately has taken a tole on Spidey throughout the years.

12. Mary Jane
I've never liked her character, I would have preferred that she died instead of Gwen Stacey.

11. The Kingpin
Not really a spidey villain as much as a Daredevil villain, however he is Marvel's Lex Luthor so I can't say that I'm not interested when he shows up.

10. The Punisher
One of the best characters in the Marvel Universe. I the love the way they are writing him now during Civil War. He did go through a slump in the 90s where he went all psycho, but that's over now and now he's back to his sensible tactical self.

9. The Lizard
The Lizard is freaking cool! His story is timeless.
8. Michael Morbius
7. Venom/ Symbiote
6. The Hobgoblin
5. Norman Osbourne
4. Doctor Octopus
I think that Doc Ock is Spidey's greatest Villain. That's my opinion.
3. Gwen Stacey
The only human girl that I've liked Spidey with.
2. The Black Cat
I think that the Black Cat is the only sensible woman to be with Spiderman. Anyone else at this point is just a human target who should be dead in about ten minutes. I have always loved her as a character and wished that they would kill off Mary Jane and just have him with her.
1. Spiderman

[Trevor Frick]

heres my list

15. the Lobo Brothers- I dont know how often they appeared but they stuck in my mind as a couple of cool characters
14. Doc. Ock
13. Demi-goblin ( from his appearance in Spider-man #6 and 7 I think)
12. Tombstone
11. Morbius
10. Caranage
9. Scorpion
8. Kraven the Hunter
7. Electro
6. Black Cat
5. Green Goblin
4. Harry Osborune
3. Venom
2. Mary Jane
1. JJJ

[Will.S]

That's a good list Cyberman, obviously your extensive knowledge and collection of alot of his stories gives you the ability to look at Spider-Man from a broader perspective.

As I've said before, I'll start off with the Spider-Man Omnibus and move from there while carefully watching what gets collected. While I've always loved the character and had sporadic issues here and there, the JMS run was my first serious entry into the book as it made for the perfect jumping on point after Mackie's mediocrity.

I'll have to read a lot more of the older material to make such a list but it's not entirely impossible that I'll make one out of the stuff I've read either.

[Keehar]

If your list is based upon interest then here is my top 15 based upon interest.

15. May Mayday Parker (Spidergirl)
I love this girl and all of her stories have been really good. So good in fact that she has spawned a whole universe almost.

14. The Vulture
I prefer the Vulture to alot of the more menacing villains because the idea of an old man who is a villain and who is ruthless in his attempts at murdering spiderman.

13. The Chameleon
This guy has the best powers of any of spidey's villains. I think he is very interesting and he definately has taken a tole on Spidey throughout the years.

12. Mary Jane
I've never liked her character, I would have preferred that she died instead of Gwen Stacey.

11. The Kingpin
Not really a spidey villain as much as a Daredevil villain, however he is Marvel's Lex Luthor so I can't say that I'm not interested when he shows up.

10. The Punisher
One of the best characters in the Marvel Universe. I the love the way they are writing him now during Civil War. He did go through a slump in the 90s where he went all psycho, but that's over now and now he's back to his sensible tactical self.

9. The Lizard
The Lizard is freaking cool! His story is timeless.
8. Michael Morbius
7. Venom/ Symbiote
6. The Hobgoblin
5. Norman Osbourne
4. Doctor Octopus
I think that Doc Ock is Spidey's greatest Villain. That's my opinion.
3. Gwen Stacey
The only human girl that I've liked Spidey with.
2. The Black Cat
I think that the Black Cat is the only sensible woman to be with Spiderman. Anyone else at this point is just a human target who should be dead in about ten minutes. I have always loved her as a character and wished that they would kill off Mary Jane and just have him with her.
1. Spiderman

Apart from Black Cat's high ranking, that is a list close to my own heart.

[Willminus2]

Thank you,

I just really like the Black Cat when she is associated with Spiderman. Do I think she is an outstanding stand alone character? Nah not really, but when she was with Spiderman during the black costume era I thought those were some of the finest issues of Spiderman ever made.

[Mister Mets]

heres my list

15. the Lobo Brothers- I dont know how often they appeared but they stuck in my mind as a couple of cool characters
14. Doc. Ock
13. Demi-goblin ( from his appearance in Spider-man #6 and 7 I think)
12. Tombstone
11. Morbius
10. Caranage
9. Scorpion
8. Kraven the Hunter
7. Electro
6. Black Cat
5. Green Goblin
4. Harry Osborune
3. Venom
2. Mary Jane
1. JJJ

The Demigoblin is a different beast than the demon-possessed Jason Macendale Hobgoblin from Spider-Man #6-7.

The Tombstone/ Blood Brothers period is one I'm almost entirely unfamiliar with.

You made a good list, but where's Spidey? Or does his addition go without saying?



If your list is based upon interest then here is my top 15 based upon interest.

15. May Mayday Parker (Spidergirl)
I love this girl and all of her stories have been really good. So good in fact that she has spawned a whole universe almost.

14. The Vulture
I prefer the Vulture to alot of the more menacing villains because the idea of an old man who is a villain and who is ruthless in his attempts at murdering spiderman.

13. The Chameleon
This guy has the best powers of any of spidey's villains. I think he is very interesting and he definately has taken a tole on Spidey throughout the years.

12. Mary Jane
I've never liked her character, I would have preferred that she died instead of Gwen Stacey.

11. The Kingpin
Not really a spidey villain as much as a Daredevil villain, however he is Marvel's Lex Luthor so I can't say that I'm not interested when he shows up.

10. The Punisher
One of the best characters in the Marvel Universe. I the love the way they are writing him now during Civil War. He did go through a slump in the 90s where he went all psycho, but that's over now and now he's back to his sensible tactical self.

9. The Lizard
The Lizard is freaking cool! His story is timeless.
8. Michael Morbius
7. Venom/ Symbiote
6. The Hobgoblin
5. Norman Osbourne
4. Doctor Octopus
I think that Doc Ock is Spidey's greatest Villain. That's my opinion.
3. Gwen Stacey
The only human girl that I've liked Spidey with.
2. The Black Cat
I think that the Black Cat is the only sensible woman to be with Spiderman. Anyone else at this point is just a human target who should be dead in about ten minutes. I have always loved her as a character and wished that they would kill off Mary Jane and just have him with her.
1. Spiderman
I think Chameleon has tremendous potential to be one of the best Spider-Man foes, but no one's used him at that level yet (If I ever write the books, he'll be a big player.)
The only thing I wonder is why you bother adding a character (MJ) who you've always disliked to your Top 15.

And where's J Jonah Jameson? Or Aunt May?


That's a good list Cyberman, obviously your extensive knowledge and collection of alot of his stories gives you the ability to look at Spider-Man from a broader perspective.

As I've said before, I'll start off with the Spider-Man Omnibus and move from there while carefully watching what gets collected. While I've always loved the character and had sporadic issues here and there, the JMS run was my first serious entry into the book as it made for the perfect jumping on point after Mackie's mediocrity.

I'll have to read a lot more of the older material to make such a list but it's not entirely impossible that I'll make one out of the stuff I've read either.

The Spider-Man omnibus is a great place to start. Beyond that I'd currently recommend the Kraven's Last Hunt premiere edition, The Death of the Stacys premiere edition, Spider-Man/ Human Torch, Wizard's Best of Spider-Man hardcover (floating on the internet somewhere), Millar's Spider-Man run, and the first Ultimate Spider-Man collections. If you don't mind reading black & white, the Essential volumes a re a good cheap source of fun Spider-Man material. And if you don't mind reading from the computer screen, the DVD rom collection can't be beat.

[Keehar]

I just really like the Black Cat when she is associated with Spiderman. Do I think she is an outstanding stand alone character? Nah not really, but when she was with Spiderman during the black costume era I thought those were some of the finest issues of Spiderman ever made.

I respectfully disagree. You said Black Cat was the most sensible woman to be with Spider-Man because she is not much of a target as MJ or any of the other ladies Spidey has had.

Black Cat being Spidey's partner and friend was public knowledge, unlike his private life relationships. Black Cat was constantly a target for criminals, and came close to meeting her maker because she was more of a thrill seeker than a crime fighter. In fact, one of my fav Spidey stories ever is when Ock nearly killed her in the Owl/Octopus gang war arc.

9 times out of 10 Spidey always ended up having to save her rather than her being a help to him.

Not to mention she was very irresponsible, and very petty. Remember she dated Flash Thompson and intended to break his heart just to make Peter jealous??

[Will.S]

The Spider-Man omnibus is a great place to start. Beyond that I'd currently recommend the Kraven's Last Hunt premiere edition, The Death of the Stacys premiere edition, Spider-Man/ Human Torch, Wizard's Best of Spider-Man hardcover (floating on the internet somewhere), Millar's Spider-Man run, and the first Ultimate Spider-Man collections. If you don't mind reading black & white, the Essential volumes a re a good cheap source of fun Spider-Man material. And if you don't mind reading from the computer screen, the DVD rom collection can't be beat.
Yeah out of what you listed I have:

Kraven's Last Hunt Premier edition
Spider-Man/Human Torch
Millar's MK Spider-Man run
Entire run of Ultimate Spider-Man

The thing about the Death of Gwen Stacy Premier edition is that I'm afraid of it being collected in an Omnibus but perhaps that run won't be collected since Ominbuses usually collect extensive runs by usually the same writer or creative team.

[Mister Mets]

Yeah out of what you listed I have:

Kraven's Last Hunt Premier edition
Spider-Man/Human Torch
Millar's MK Spider-Man run
Entire run of Ultimate Spider-Man

The thing about the Death of Gwen Stacy Premier edition is that I'm afraid of it being collected in an Omnibus but perhaps that run won't be collected since Ominbuses usually collect extensive runs by usually the same writer or creative team.

I doubt Death of Gwen Stacy will be collected in omnibus form for quite some time (I expect they'll collect Lee/ Romita, the rest of Lee's run, Stern's run, and Macfarlane's run before they do Conway's run.)

A better collection out of print, but well worth hunting down is "Spider-Man VS The Green Goblin" It's got the Lee/ Kane drug storyline, and Dematteis's final Harry Osborn story, in addition to the Death of Gwen Stacy.

[Mister Mets]

Bump. Amazing Spider-Man #538/ Daredevil #93 spoilers

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I was a little wary about including the Kingpin on the list, but his current truce with Daredevil, and involvement in something that really hurt Spider-Man may set him up as a key Spider-Man villain for the next few years. Which validates my decision to include him on my list.
Even though I don't remember anyone complaining.

It is interesting that Civil War provided key scenes between Spider-Man, and the Spider-Man characters who went on to do bigger and better things in other books (namely Punisher, and Kingpin.)

[Mister Mets]

Bump.

I edited many of the recommended reading sections to take into account some comics I've read since I composed the list, the third Spider-Man movie and some comics I just plain forgot to include the first time around.

[Toku King]

I dunno. That list was a little topsy turvy. Kingpin and Punisher over Green Goblin? Mary Jane as only 9?

[PJC]

^^^Read his reasonings for Mary Jane you ignorant hooligan

lol

[Mister Mets]

I dunno. That list was a little topsy turvy. Kingpin and Punisher over Green Goblin? Mary Jane as only 9?
Kingpin and Punisher get bonus points for their many stories outside of the Spider-Man books.

Up until Thunderbolts, Norman Osborn didn't have that benefit.

[sabongero]

Double Post.

[sabongero]

14. Sandman

Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man Annual #1 was a great Sandman Year One Story. I just thought I would add that in case someone wanted to read more Sandman stories that defined the character.