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Den
12-26-2006, 11:51 PM
Great Art.

The story had me feeling cheated.

icctrombone
12-27-2006, 02:00 AM
I've been an Avenger fan for over 35 years and i thought the story was tender and beautiful. Some of the elements that I liked :

1. Hawkeye needs to know what happened and embarks on a sort of world tour to find Wanda.
2. She is child like and innocent because she couldn't live with the memories of what she had done.
3. Clints tears when he realizes that she is really sick and deserving of his pity and compasion. She is a victim of her own mutant powers.
4. the sex was natural innocent and beautiful.
5. Clints sudden stop at opening up the door , which might or might not tear down her newly fashioned world.
6. Clint choosing to leave her in peace in that safe world.



I loved the book especially because it didn't "explain " everything .

The Shadow
12-27-2006, 08:52 AM
then why not try to find something in between like all of the other Avengers writers did?

Every other writer in Avengers history found that perfect balance? In over 40 years Bendis is the only one to miss it??

LOL

Ventura
12-27-2006, 06:36 PM
(My Opinion)

Hints:

1) I guess this writer hopes that you go-back, read more into the flashback conversation with The Wasp about her fling with Hawkeye. The writer seems to want you to "connect-the-dots" that Wanda may have been a bit jealous.



Bishop Proudstar,

I'm glad you mentioned that scene.

In the poolside scene in #503, Jan is telling Wanda she thinks she (Jan) might be pregnant by Clint. And look how Clint appears in the panel where he's in the foreground and the ladies are in the background: he appears to be the image of confident, cocky blond masculinity.

This small scene and the dialogue emphasizes Clint's potency as a man, his ability to father children. Pregnancy and kids are something Wanda could never hope to achieve, at least not with her android husband or ionic-being lover. I believe on some sub-conscious level Wanda was angry/jealous/resentful etc. about all this and this contributed at least partly to why Wanda's struck out against Clint and Jan (don't forget, Jan was seriously injured during the melee in #501) and the Vision. (I'm not that familiar with Scott or Jack and what their relationships--if any--to Wanda were).

A few days ago in this thread I posted about Clint and Wanda's history. In a nutshell, he was infatuated with her from way back, but she never felt the same way about him; she preferred the Vision. It took a while, but once Clint got past the hurt feelings, Clint accepted her decision and they established a close, enduring, platonic relationship (over the years he would bring her flowers to cheer her up, go shopping with her, etc.) These two characters have always had a connection, ever since they joined the Avengers. This is underscored in a somewhat chilling panel in the poolside scene...no dialogue...just Wanda on one side of the pool, Clint on the other, backs to each other.

I think on some level, at some point, she began to wish she had taken Clint up on his offer to be the "father of her little witch-brood" (as he put it waaaaay back in Avengers #102, v. 1). This was eating away at her subconscious, contributed to her breakdown in Disassembled, and may have been the impetus for the sex in NA #26.

And I agree with those posters who think she will soon be with child, this time with a real child (or two).

Bishop_Proudstar
12-27-2006, 09:18 PM
Nightcrawler should met her there instead of Hawkeye.

She is the "would-be" mother of his daughter from Exiles: Noctourne.

I'm also sure that Wanda and Pietro knew of Nightcrawler because they all grew-up in a similar area: Eastern Europe/ Eastern Germany/Austria.


Maybe, her new twins will disappear like those of Vision because they were "Hex-conceived"...lol.

I can see a situation in which Hawkeye thinks she loves him, but she just wanted the babies.

Will.S
12-27-2006, 09:20 PM
I think on some level, at some point, she began to wish she had taken Clint up on his offer to be the "father of her little witch-brood" (as he put it waaaaay back in Avengers #102, v. 1). This was eating away at her subconscious, contributed to her breakdown in Disassembled, and may have been the impetus for the sex in NA #26.

And I agree with those posters who think she will soon be with child, this time with a real child (or two).
Which makes me wonder, how Wanda will react to Billy and Tommy?

It's hard to say if her new memory wipe will affect hear reaction to both since it'll be obvious to her that they're twins and that they have similar powers to her and Quicksilver.

StoneGold
12-27-2006, 10:31 PM
Other random ramblings...when the hell did they think it was okay to make comics soap operas...

November, 1961.

milly3cat
12-27-2006, 10:35 PM
Sorry but the art, story and issue was terrible and a waste of money. :(

Shellhead
12-28-2006, 07:35 AM
Nightcrawler should met her there instead of Hawkeye.

She is the "would-be" mother of his daughter from Exiles: Noctourne.

I'm also sure that Wanda and Pietro knew of Nightcrawler because they all grew-up in a similar area: Eastern Europe/ Eastern Germany/Austria.


I like Nocturne, but I seriously doubt that Wanda and Pietro knew of Nightcrawler when they were young. Eastern Europe is a pretty large area, and Nightcrawler was probably trying not to attract attention to his mutations. Besides, Wanda and Pietro had a very chaotic childhood, travelling about as gypsies and also not trying to call attention to their powers. In fact, all three characters were persecuted and nearly killed by angry mobs when their powers were revealed. When Kurt and Wanda met in that other reality, I'm willing to bet that it was after they had both become heroes.

Crimson
12-28-2006, 11:15 AM
I loved the art... but Maleev's Clint was horrible. I didn't like his head when the Hawkeye costume was off.

It was a great issue although you'd think sleeping with Wanda was a no no.

allanjohnbaihn
12-28-2006, 02:12 PM
I hope that the scarlet witch does make a return and is an amnesiac because marvel will be able to make an interesting side story bout her and the civil war:eek: :evilangry :( :cool:

BYC
12-30-2006, 02:52 AM
I didn't read this issue until now, and I don't really keep up with New Avengers that much at all until I read the trades.

I totally enjoyed this issue. I think the art really really set the mood. It felt like a noir. As for the story, it felt like Clint wanted to know what happened and wanted an answer from Wanda. Clint finds her, but it's not her. Wanda somehow changed herself into what she probably believes would make her happy, but she's just as miserable as ever. They find some chemistry, and they can't help but to express their feelings with sex. Clint was full of anger before but discovers nothing but pity for Wanda and this life she changed herself in to.

I felt like the tragedy of this story is what made it so good. There's so many mistakes that were made, and all of them was done through raw emotional and chemistry. It felt "real" to me in the sense that many people often want to wipe the slate and start over, but it's not possible. Clint got that chance, and he found he can't do it. He can't be angry at Wanda because she doesn't exist anymore. He can't start over since she doesn't know who she is. After sleeping off their emotions, he leaves to find something else. He can't just his closure, so he leaves and tries to find it elsewhere.

I feel like sometimes a sad ending is a good ending. Because of comic's serial nature, this is gonna come up at some point and cause lots of problems. I think this issue would have been GREAT if it was a What If/Elseworlds thing that followed up on Disassembled.

Doom Hammer
12-30-2006, 03:22 PM
Alex Maleev is fantastic. Is there a better artist in comics today? I'd be hard pressed...

The Fury
01-14-2007, 11:47 AM
Finally read this.

Art was great and worked nicely with the story. which I thought was also good.

Shame I'm droppping it now (money issues)

ScottySummers
01-15-2007, 01:10 PM
I've never read an issue of any Avengers series until now but after seeing the Scarlet Witch/Angel First Class cover, I developed a mini 'obsession' with Wanda so thought this would be a good jumping on point. Finally picked the issue up today and I was very impressed.

I loved the art, pulled me right into the issue and was very magical/mystical, like a fairy tale. I am in love with the art of Wanda as she says "a true hero". I could just sit and stare at that.
I also liked the Klimt-esque artwork building up to a gorgeous crescendo as Wanda seduced Clint.

The whole thing was eerie and beautiful and although I'm aware the next issue will be very different, I will be back for more.

Berkey
02-10-2007, 11:28 AM
Are they going to be following up on these two anytime soon. I was hoping NA 27 was going to be a follow up but nope.

Erik Lehnsherr
02-10-2007, 02:51 PM
Are they going to be following up on these two anytime soon. I was hoping NA 27 was going to be a follow up but nope.

He just mentioned in a recent interview that Hawkeye is definitely gonna be showing in recent months as will updates on Wanda.

by1968
01-17-2009, 08:20 AM
I know this is a rather old issue at this point, but I only just read it today as I'm catching up on the issues I've missed while I was out of comics.

In the summary on page 1 of this issue and the prior several issues, they keep saying that the world at large is unaware of House of M and the lack of mutants and this was purposely done to prevent additional anti-mutant hysteria. But, in this issue, on 2 occasions, once with Dr. Strange and once with Wanda, Hawkeye clearly indicates that he read about the no more mutants in the paper and asks Wanda (in a vague sort of way) if she read about it on the internet.

So my questions:

If the world is unaware of the consequences of House of M, how could Clint have read about it in the newspapers or on the internet?
Is this explained later on or is it just some glaring plot error or did I miss something when I read this?

bjtrdff
01-17-2009, 08:41 AM
I know this is a rather old issue at this point, but I only just read it today as I'm catching up on the issues I've missed while I was out of comics.

In the summary on page 1 of this issue and the prior several issues, they keep saying that the world at large is unaware of House of M and the lack of mutants and this was purposely done to prevent additional anti-mutant hysteria. But, in this issue, on 2 occasions, once with Dr. Strange and once with Wanda, Hawkeye clearly indicates that he read about the no more mutants in the paper and asks Wanda (in a vague sort of way) if she read about it on the internet.

So my questions:

If the world is unaware of the consequences of House of M, how could Clint have read about it in the newspapers or on the internet?
Is this explained later on or is it just some glaring plot error or did I miss something when I read this?


It was mentioned after the fact, by what we now know to be skrull Pym on the news, when he asked about where the energy fields controlled by mutants could have gone on tv. It was a bit unclear, but I think the interview was just supposed to occur a bit after the fact.

Ryan W
01-17-2009, 09:01 AM
I think the world at large is aware that something happened, mutant-related, which caused M-Day (the decimation of the mutant population) and I'm sure most people especially those in the know like SHIELD or the U.S. government suspect it had something to do with all those heroes making a mysterious trip out to Genosha . . . But by and large only a few folks remember it and only those who they've gone and told are aware.

by1968
01-17-2009, 09:16 AM
It was mentioned after the fact, by what we now know to be skrull Pym on the news, when he asked about where the energy fields controlled by mutants could have gone on tv. It was a bit unclear, but I think the interview was just supposed to occur a bit after the fact.

But if Skrull Pym told the world shortly after the fact, why didn't Maria Hill know what House of M was just an issue or so before this?

by1968
01-17-2009, 09:17 AM
I think the world at large is aware that something happened, mutant-related, which caused M-Day (the decimation of the mutant population) and I'm sure most people especially those in the know like SHIELD or the U.S. government suspect it had something to do with all those heroes making a mysterious trip out to Genosha . . . But by and large only a few folks remember it and only those who they've gone and told are aware.

That was what I figured, but Clint doesn't say he learned about it from anyone else, he tells Dr. Strange that he read about it in the papers and he asks Wanda if she read about "no more mutants" on the internet. If it's in the papers and on the internet, then more than just a few people know about it.

bjtrdff
01-17-2009, 09:57 AM
But if Skrull Pym told the world shortly after the fact, why didn't Maria Hill know what House of M was just an issue or so before this?

Thats why I said that I think there is supposed to be a gap in the time between when Pym is interviewed and the collective arc takes place.

XPac
01-17-2009, 10:00 AM
Thats why I said that I think there is supposed to be a gap in the time between when Pym is interviewed and the collective arc takes place.

Or maybe Maria Hill is just that stupid.