Who should Superman end up with in the current storylines?

[Preus]

I'd like to see Superman end up with Lana Lang for once & have a kid by her. A new twist wouldn't hurt. :D

[Froggy]

Watch him hit it of with some new gods :O

[Preus]

Damn, should've added Wonder Woman to the poll....

[Sean Whitmore]

I don't think "The Super-Adulterer from Krypton" is a plot we'll be seeing anytime soon.


SEAN

[Froggy]

I don't think "The Super-Adulterer from Krypton" is a plot we'll be seeing anytime soon.


SEAN

DRATS! DRATS I SAY!

[Preus]

Seriously people, let's get on with a serious discussion.

[Jack Zodiac]

I don't think "The Super-Adulterer from Krypton" is a plot we'll be seeing anytime soon.


SEAN

We got close in Austen's run on Action.

I'm stickin' with Lois.

[Froggy]

get with beautiful dreamer

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I don't think "The Super-Adulterer from Krypton" is a plot we'll be seeing anytime soon.


SEAN

*LOL* I agree. Perhaps it's just wishful thinking.

Me? I'd say WW; but that's not gonna happen.

[Rob on the Job]

Lana said it herself: She loves Clark Kent, while Lois loves Superman.

It's time Clark got the love he needs.

[sgt pepper]

Superman needs to drop babies with all them beautiful ladies. Some of the current storylines are taking a look at what Superman would be like with a kid. Shoot, that's fine for Batman, but this is Superman! Give him eight kids and see how he handles Luthor.

[sgt pepper]

Lana said it herself: She loves Clark Kent, while Lois loves Superman.

It's time Clark got the love he needs.

As long as Superman keeps his nerd glasses on while pleasuring Lana, it's not really cheating right?

[Jack Zodiac]

Lana said it herself: She loves Clark Kent, while Lois loves Superman.

It's time Clark got the love he needs.

Yeah, didn't she say that during Austen's god-awful run? Discarded.

Rucka did a great job making the marriage interesting in Adventures.

[RAman]

Lana said it herself: She loves Clark Kent, while Lois loves Superman.

It's time Clark got the love he needs.


Reminds me of Superman III. The last time I watched it, I remember thinking to myself, "Clark, maybe you'd do better just being with Lana. After all, she seems to actually love YOU."

Plus, Annette O'Toole seemed more attractive to me than Margot Kidder. But that's just me. :)

[Sean Whitmore]

Lana said it herself: She loves Clark Kent, while Lois loves Superman.

Yeah, and Lana's an idiot.

And wrong.


SEAN

[Preus]

Reminds me of Superman III. The last time I watched it, I remember thinking to myself, "Clark, maybe you'd do better just being with Lana. After all, she seems to actually love YOU."

Plus, Annette O'Toole seemed more attractive to me than Margot Kidder. But that's just me. :)


Annette O'Toole IS more attractive than Margot Kidder. Kidder's all dried up & NEEDS makeup. She looks even worse without it.

[karasu]

Lois. I can't believe people were actually against the marriage. What's so scary about a character taking a step into something new? Would it really have been that great if Supes and Lois were still playing the same cat & mouse games for the last ten years? :confused:

I've also always liked the idea that Lois and Superman were unable to have children thanks to differences in physiology. I mean, a baby that'll never grow up, what's the point...

[MythicBrawn]

Definitely not Lana Lang. He has totally outgrown her. And, I really can't stand Lois Lane. In the earlier ages she was a whiny person always trying to get Superman to marry her. Post-Byrne, her character has been extremely irritating to the point that I wouldn't have minded her being killed off just to put her out of my misery. Superman/Clark/Kal comes across as weak when he's around her. I can't imagine that too many guys would put up with the attitude that she's demonstrated over the years. I say give him someone that can completely meet him on his level.

[Preus]

How has Superman outgrown Lana?

[Jack Zodiac]

Well, for one thing, she disappeared almost completely from the books for years, she married Pete Ross, and has a baby. On top of that, Superman revealed himself to Lois as Clark and they got married. It'd be a stretch, now.

Although...

Superman, the world's first polyamourous superhero!?

[Sean Whitmore]

Although...

Superman, the world's first polyamourous superhero!?

I'm afraid Cyclops has him beat for that title.


SEAN

[Jack Zodiac]

Cyclops is a tool! :mad:

[davids]

That keeps her Clark from her! As for adultry....well if he can keep his hands of wonder woman for a thousand years in vahalla...in the middle of a war and The amazon more than willing even pushing the idea. Then he really is the worlds biggest Boy scout and will never step out on Lois.

Now if she were dead or he and every one else thinks she is dead then....I would say wonder woman!

[King Krypton]

Definitely not Lana Lang. He has totally outgrown her. And, I really can't stand Lois Lane. In the earlier ages she was a whiny person always trying to get Superman to marry her. Post-Byrne, her character has been extremely irritating to the point that I wouldn't have minded her being killed off just to put her out of my misery. Superman/Clark/Kal comes across as weak when he's around her. I can't imagine that too many guys would put up with the attitude that she's demonstrated over the years. I say give him someone that can completely meet him on his level.

Agreed.

Lois doesn't love him, regardless of identity. She's shown a refusal to accept his Superman duties, a tendency to lash out at him for things he never did, a penchant for walking out on him whenever she doesn't get her way, and she was willing to fool around with Jeb Friedman after Clark "died" (and kept hanging with Jeb even after Clark came back and left Clark for him, blaming Clark for his death to boot). It makes Superman out to be absolutely pathetic to just keep taking abuse from her. And people, don't give me that "but she's a strong woman" line. A strong woman would NEVER be so insecure that she'd think Superman was cheating on her because some questionable stranger claimed to be his kid from the future. A strong woman would NEVER be willing to hook up with another guy right after Clark got buried. A strong woman would NEVER lash out at Clark for being Superman and doing his job. A strong woman would NEVER walk out on him out of ego. And a strong woman is what Superman needs. Lois is anything but.

Lana is useless. She's a paper doll with no personality (a doormat one moment, a homewrecker the next), and she ultimately serves no purpose. She's not even important to his childhood in Smallville; you could excise her completely and Superman would still become his old self. And to cap it off, even the live-action and animated versions have been weak sauce. This character is just a lame duck. I would expect Superman to be interested in a woman who's got some fire in her, not a one-dimensional bore.

I've said it before, and I think it bears repeating...Superman's true love has yet to emerge. She may be an existing DCU character currently not tied to the mythos (no, not Wonder Woman -- she works better on her own than as an appendage), she may be a brand-new character who hasn't been invented just yet, but whoever she is, we haven't seen her in the mythos yet. Personally, I'd like to meet her, or if she already exists I'd like to finally see her in a romantic context with Superman. Let's be honest, Superman has a horrible track record with women, and it would be nice to finally see a love interest who not only puts stars in his eyes, but leaves you thinking, "Yeah, I can see why he wants her." With Lois, there's nothing but reasons for him to dump her, and Lana has nothing to offer. The perfect woman for Superman needs to be someone who leaves no questions in the reader/viewer's mind what Superman sees in her, and needs to be someone you want Superman to be with. We haven't seen this girl yet. But she's probably somewhere, either in the DCU proper or in the imagination of someone yet to write Superman's adventures.

But as it stands, neither Lois or Lana deserve Superman.

[Jack Zodiac]

I'm not gonna' fault any character for shitty writing, especially within the past twenty years. In comics, any character can be interesting, and any supporting character can work well with whatever star they're supporting, as long as the writing doesn't suck. In the mid to late Nineties, Lois was a pain in the ass, and the marriage was just there, and it sucked. Within the past five or six years, I've seen better writers do better, more interesting things with Lois and the Lois/Superman/Clark dynamic without the Golden Age/Silver Age love triangle. Like Rucka's run on Adventures.

Now, it seems like they're gearing Lois towards being completely accepting of Clark's role as Superman (and rightfully so, because she's hopelessly loved Superman when she didn't even know he was Clark, so her faulting Clark for being Superman after they were married is just hack writing). I hope that's the case. It makes the marriage work, and makes their dynamic relationship more acceptable.

[King Krypton]

I'm not gonna' fault any character for shitty writing, especially within the past twenty years. In comics, any character can be interesting, and any supporting character can work well with whatever star they're supporting, as long as the writing doesn't suck. In the mid to late Nineties, Lois was a pain in the ass, and the marriage was just there, and it sucked. Within the past five or six years, I've seen better writers do better, more interesting things with Lois and the Lois/Superman/Clark dynamic without the Golden Age/Silver Age love triangle. Like Rucka's run on Adventures.

Now, it seems like they're gearing Lois towards being completely accepting of Clark's role as Superman (and rightfully so, because she's hopelessly loved Superman when she didn't even know he was Clark, so her faulting Clark for being Superman after they were married is just hack writing). I hope that's the case. It makes the marriage work, and makes their dynamic relationship more acceptable.

My problem is I don't buy it for a second, for the following reasons:

1. The marital troubles were never resolved. We never got a moment where Superman finally had enough and told Lois off. We never got a moment where Lois realized how much hurt she'd caused him and decided to change her ways. It just got swept under a rug. Yeah, I know, forget the whole thing ever happened and all, but when we made the jump from a marriage on the brink of failure to the super-sweetsy Lois of Simone and her colleagues, it just rang false. No explanation of Lois' change of heart, no reason given for how things got patched up...it just happened out of the blue. Which wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact that Lois mistreated him for a decade's worth of stories. The sudden turnaround, while I know it's well-intentioned and Busiek, Donner, and Johns want to right a sinking ship, is just too much to swallow. She may be lovey-dovey now (and she was kissy-kissy in the Simone/Verheiden/Rucka era to the point of parody), but it's coming after a huge stretch of time where DC was making it clear that she didn't love him. That period of emotional abuse still happened, and it's not something I can just forget. It's like the Batjerk period; it still happened to Batman, it tarnished the character, and the scars are going to take a long time to heal, if ever. (All-Star Batman is not helping any.)

2. "Superb****" lasted thru three editors, and according to Paul Levitz in Look Up in the Sky, there's still people at DC who want to undo the marriage. Currently, the writers and editors want to get as far away from the days of Abusive Lois, but who's to say it'll last? During the Berganza era, there were brief periods where they would tease that Lois was going to change her ways and then backslide, and even new creative teams would open with Lois being a normal woman initially before launching right back into Superabuse mode. Who's to say that after Idelson and his writers are gone, whoever takes over won't want to go back to the days where the marriage was a time bomb waiting to go off? This could end up being another calm before the storm, especially if the wrong people get put in charge of Superman again.

I can't deny it, I have no faith in DC to make this change stick, and the years upon years of Lois treating Clark like yesterday's garbage have left a foul taste in my mouth. (The Lois of the movies, both in Richard Donner's re-edit of Superman II and in Superman Returns, has taken on some of the comic book Lois' worst traits -- each in different ways. It's even sadder in the case of II, because it predates the stories in question.) When I was younger, I was eagerly waiting for the day when Superman and Lois would walk down the aisle. Now my eyes just glaze over when she shows up, and the only Lois I can even slightly tolerate is Noel Neill on The Adventures of Superman. Otherwise I would really rather not see her around anymore, at least not as a love interest. I'd rather see an unattached Superman meeting a new lady who truly is the kind of girl he ought to be with and pursuing a relationship with her.

[karasu]

I can't deny it, I have no faith in DC to make this change stick, and the years upon years of Lois treating Clark like yesterday's garbage have left a foul taste in my mouth. (The Lois of the movies, both in Richard Donner's re-edit of Superman II and in Superman Returns, has taken on some of the comic book Lois' worst traits -- each in different ways. It's even sadder in the case of II, because it predates the stories in question.)


:confused: I don't get that. How is Lois supposed to treat Clark? The Clark of those stories isn't even real. He's an act, and he makes a point of going out of his way to appear pathetic. A bumbling, unreliable, incompetent shell of a man. He does nothing to make himself the least bit interesting, or even likable to Lois. Of course she has disdain for him, he's a mess. Yet when he dons the cape, he tries as hard as he can and uses every power he has to woo Lois Lane. It's no wonder that she fell for Supes and not bumbling, unreliable, flighty, spineless, Clark.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

The Post-Crisis Clark isn't as pathetic as the Golden/Silver Age version.

[karasu]

Yeah, but he mentioned the Donner movies.

[J. Robb]

Comic writers are notoriously bad at writing women, healthy relationships, and children. (What that says about comic writers is a whole other topic.) That's my only real problem with the marriage: a lack of writers that can handle it. But I think that would be a terrible and cowardly reason to "undo" it.

In the end, though, Superman will end up with neither Lois nor Lana. He will outlive them both by centuries. This is why I still see an element of tragedy in Clark and Lois' relationship, even if they've had their "happy ending".

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Yeah, but he mentioned the Donner movies.

Oh, my bad then.

Comic writers are notoriously bad at writing women, healthy relationships, and children. (What that says about comic writers is a whole other topic.) That's my only real problem with the marriage: a lack of writers that can handle it. But I think that would be a terrible and cowardly reason to "undo" it.

In the end, though, Superman will end up with neither Lois nor Lana. He will outlive them both by centuries. This is why I still see an element of tragedy in Clark and Lois' relationship, even if they've had their "happy ending".

That's absolutely true. Superman knows this, and it would be nice to see it in the comics a little bit more.

[Preus]

Yeah, that's the real problem here, no matter who Superman ends up with, he'll outlive her (unless it's Wonder Woman).

[666MasterOfPuppets]

And that's where the detail is. Most Elseworlds (I think), including the Twilight Of The Superheroes proposal from Alan Moore have Superman ending up with Diana. Will this be canon someday? Nah... Unless: a) they make them get older, b) they kill Lois off.

[Preus]

I think that finding some way to make Lois immortal could work if they want to keep her & Superman together.

[Kara Zor El]

I think that finding some way to make Lois immortal could work if they want to keep her & Superman together.

maybe years of her close proximity to him could rub off on her. maybe she will start to exhibit some of his powers and invulnerability over time just because cells from his saliva etc have infused her body and added to it.

[Sean Whitmore]

maybe years of her close proximity to him could rub off on her.

I almost posted this same suggestion, only a lot dirtier.


SEAN

[Jack Zodiac]

Maybe Superman will die before her. Not like he hasn't died before. Or maybe he'll develope Super Empathy throughout his life and die of a broken heart after she passes away. Just because Lois is a human who can age and die like any other human doesn't mean she can't be with an alien who can, by most accounts, live forever if he wants to.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

That's right. They are together right now, as a matter of fact. Thing is, that if we applied some Anime-ish notions to the DC Universe (i.e., people age, have children and die), then it's a given that Superman will outlive everyone else, except a few characters here and there.

[Jack Zodiac]

And if you apply some common comic themes, some of which could be considered realistic, people age and die, so why not Superman? We know he ages, which is why Kal-L was rockin' the silver sideburns. No reason he couldn't just give up on life and die one day.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I would apply it, but there's one thing in the way: DC One Million. And arguably, the "Where Is Thy Sting" one-shot (although I haven't read it. the premise is that Death itself pays a visit to Superman, because he's "the only man with the potential to live forever").

Yeah, I lied. It's two things (:p), and none of them are Elseworlds.

[Jack Zodiac]

In DC 1,000,000, he'd sequestered himself to the core of the Sun, where he became... well, a god. So I don't think we can count that as him operating normally, considering it was the 853rd century and he hadn't aged a day, whereas every other account of a future Superman has at least gray sideburns and a few wrinkles.

So, besides that and the issue where he and Wonder Woman live for a thousand years in Asgard (which could also have had an effect on the rate at which he'd age), there isn't much to go by.

[Preus]

Was there really any point in making Superman live on the sun for 15,000 YEARS?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

In DC 1,000,000, he'd sequestered himself to the core of the Sun, where he became... well, a god. So I don't think we can count that as him operating normally, considering it was the 853rd century and he hadn't aged a day, whereas every other account of a future Superman has at least gray sideburns and a few wrinkles.

So, besides that and the issue where he and Wonder Woman live for a thousand years in Asgard (which could also have had an effect on the rate at which he'd age), there isn't much to go by.

Thing is, that as far as I know, DC One Million isn't Elseworlds, whereas the rest of the stories are.

Was there really any point in making Superman live on the sun for 15,000 YEARS?

Thank the gods for Grant Morrison and his madness. ;)

Ya know, that might just be the stupidest thing I've heard all week. That isn't even fathomable nor does it sound like it could ever happen. Superman has had enough stupid stories at it is, this would just make it all worse. Powers passing through kisses? Nah, very stupid idea, VERY STUPID.

Cool down, my friend. Don't you think that came out a little bit harsh?

[Jack Zodiac]

No, I get it, that's fine. It wasn't an Elseworlds. And neither was the issue where he and Wonder Woman are in Asgard for one thousand years; but I'm saying, in both instances, he was in extremely different situations than just being on Earth. In the story with Wonder Woman, he was in a realm inhabited by real gods, and in DC 1,000,000, he'd become a hermit living in the core of the sun for several hundred thousand years.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Oh, OK then. I get your point now.

[Preus]

Anyway, I've thought about it & maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea to have Superman end up with Wonder Woman instead of Lois Lane. I wonder what their child would come out like......

[Jack Zodiac]

They went that route once before, in Kingdom Come. Only because Lois had died, though. Anyway, it was an interesting idea for an Elseworlds, but it'd be crap in continuity.

[Preus]

I've read about that but I've never actually read the comics/books. Also, in the end didn't WW go back in time & give Lois the child she had with Superman?

[MaxofSteel]

Also, in the end didn't WW go back in time & give Lois the child she had with Superman?

Where'd you hear that from? As far as I know that never happened (in Kingdom Come anyway).

[666MasterOfPuppets]

What? That didn't happen in Kingdom Come. And I pretty much doubt it happened in the sequel, The Kingdom (which I haven't read yet. Is it collected?)

[Preus]

Hey, that's what I read. I just wanted to check & see if that was true.

[shaunyc56]

A sharp Kryptonite rock plunged through his chest, either lois or lana's attempt to save earth from him.

[Preus]

Superman would have to end up with WW since she's basically immortal like him. Like I said, imagine what a child between them would be like....

[dupersuper]

I've read about that but I've never actually read the comics/books. Also, in the end didn't WW go back in time & give Lois the child she had with Superman?

No. In The Kingdom, Supes, Bats and WW ALL go back to save the kid from a hypertime-traveling Gog who has kidnapped him. They meet up with "our" versions of their current selves.

[Preus]

Oh, okay, thanks for the info.

Also, you wouldn't happen to have an actual picture of the kid would you?