Babylon 5

[Lester C.]

This was my favorite show as a kid and not only does it hold up now that I'm an adult, but its even better now as I have new levels of understanding that I did not posses when I was 15. In addition the CGI holds up rather well even by today's standards as it looks like it was filmed yesterday. Do order the TV Series box set if you haven't as I think its the greatest show of all time.

Anyway I want to talk about the show. Who's with me?

[shanejayell]

Loved B-5, especially the "minor" characters who became main ones. I figured Londo to be a joke at first... silly me.

[Monkey]

B5 was great when it was great, and really REALLY bad when it was bad.

[bert]

B5 was great when it was great, and really REALLY bad when it was bad.

Like Season 5 ?

Seasons 2-4 are what I consider PERFECT television.

what a great series this was, and it's one of my faves.

Supposedly, JMS is writing some follow up made for TV films (that are currently in production). Too bad we've lost some of the actors that made this show so fantastic :( (R.I.P. Andreas, and Richard Biggs).

[shanejayell]

The last season and crusade were "meh"

[siuntres]

what I admire most about B-5 was the character arcs.

Londo went from a clown to a tragic figure. G'Kar , Garibaldi, Lenier all had interesting paths over the 5 years.

I think the show's biggest drawback was making the Centari male Hair-dos look as ridicluous as they did.

I bet a lot of ppotential viewers get turned off by that initial reaction.

[Constantine Drakon]

Best Sci Fi show ever?

Yes.

[shanejayell]

Well, close. I'd argue Firefly.

[Agent Helix]

This always struck me as being Star Trek for the nerds that were too snooty to watch Star Trek.

[Monkey]

Best Sci Fi show ever?

Yes.

Naa. Don't get me wrong it was great and up there but it wasn't the best.

[Sharpandpointies]

Best Sci Fi show ever?

Yes.

I'm with you. :)

[geordiesteve]

Despite my love of Trek and TNG in particular, Babylon 5 is still the best science fiction epic that has ever been on television. It told a whole story, it did what it said it was going to do, a 5 year tale and no one can take that away from it. Some of JMS's best work ever appeared on that show. Fantastic stuff and I'm so glad I've got all 5 series on DVD. Sleeping in Light, and the last 8 mins or so is just fantastic.

[Lester C.]

Like Season 5 ?

Seasons 2-4 are what I consider PERFECT television.

what a great series this was, and it's one of my faves.

Supposedly, JMS is writing some follow up made for TV films (that are currently in production). Too bad we've lost some of the actors that made this show so fantastic :( (R.I.P. Andreas, and Richard Biggs).

Babylon five is a novel with each season following the formula of a novel which is introduction, rising action, climax, resolution, and denouement. Thus fans hate season five because the whole purpose of the season was to conclude the story and tie up lose ends so we didn't get to see all the stuff we in the rising action, and climax.

[MrSuslov]

I only saw a handful of episodes back when it was originally on and it was very early in the run, so not a lot made sense. I think my attention was caught more by Space: Above and Beyond, which had Shane Vansen. The annoying Ivanova couldn't compete with the former.

That being said, Talia Winters was always eye-catching, and you had to love Ambassador Kosh. Ask a long-winded complicated 'A or B' question, get a single word answer. That was effective on a regular basis against disingenuous professors in college.

I think I could have gotten along with Garibaldi; Jerry Doyle always seemed like a nice guy. Too bad he's not in the Congress.

[Lester C.]

I only saw a handful of episodes back when it was originally on and it was very early in the run, so not a lot made sense. I think my attention was caught more by Space: Above and Beyond, which had Shane Vansen. The annoying Ivanova couldn't compete with the former.

That being said, Talia Winters was always eye-catching, and you had to love Ambassador Kosh. Ask a long-winded complicated 'A or B' question, get a single word answer. That was effective on a regular basis against disingenuous professors in college.

I think I could have gotten along with Garibaldi; Jerry Doyle always seemed like a nice guy. Too bad he's not in the Congress.

That was Babylon 5 Achilles heel. The show was not very forgiving to new viewers. Even if you saw every episode in season 1, 2, and 3 but skipped 4 then season 5 would still have made no sense. You really need to watch the shows in order just like you have to read a novel starting from the introduction.

[hellokittykat]

And Lester continues to 'babylon'. And on...And on...

[Lester C.]

And Lester continues to 'babylon'. And on...And on...

That was incredibly funny. I laughed long and hard at that pun.

[Monkey]

Babylon 5 is still the best science fiction epic that has ever been on television. It told a whole story.

Yeah I agree with that, not the best Scifi ever for me, but it is the best scifi epic ever.

[Cream Filled Taco]

Babylon five is a novel with each season following the formula of a novel which is introduction, rising action, climax, resolution, and denouement. Thus fans hate season five because the whole purpose of the season was to conclude the story and tie up lose ends so we didn't get to see all the stuff we in the rising action, and climax.

Actually, there are two reasons why season five sucked so bad. One, JMS was forced to tell much of what was supposed to happen in season five in season four, as they were getting cancelled at the end of four. They even filmed the finale you saw at the end of season five at the end of season four. That's why Ivanova is in it. The impending cancellation is why season four is so packed with story, and thus so good. So JMS was faced with concluding the Londo storyline in five, and not much else, which makes the season feel very empty. The second reason it sucks is Lockley. She's a harsh character, and a poor replacement for Ivanova, who decided (there's lots of rumor/stories from both sides on what really happened) not to join up for season five when another network decided to save the series. Coming off four years of character development, adding a new character just isn't appealing. And if I remember correctly, Ivanova was supposed to be the love interest for Byron, which would develop her psi abilities plotline, and probably wouldn't be nearly as boring as that plotline turned out to be. Thin storyline and new characters killed season five.

Now, I must say, I love B5. I didn't see it in first run, but I caught it in daily reruns the year before season five started. The slowness of season one didn't affect me much, as I saw an episode every day. Like everyone else, I loved 2-4. When my VCR failed to tape the last episode of season 4, a B5 fanatic friend of mine gave me a tape that had the last episode plus the series finale. At that time, season 5 wasn't announced, and I don't even know if the actual finale ever aired at the end of four, but it was such a great conclusion. Anyone know if they just aired the "humans a million years from now" ep back then, or gave up the finale as well?

After I got married, SciFi started showing the entire series daily, and Dark Galaxy was introduced to the show, and became addicted to it while pregnant with our son. It was a daily ritual to watch B5 for months. When we were trying to come up with a middle name for our son, we ended up choosing Sheridan.

Someday I hope to get the entire DVD set, but it's just one of those gifts that hasn't happened yet.

[Lester C.]

Actually, there are two reasons why season five sucked so bad. One, JMS was forced to tell much of what was supposed to happen in season five in season four, as they were getting cancelled at the end of four. They even filmed the finale you saw at the end of season five at the end of season four. That's why Ivanova is in it. The impending cancellation is why season four is so packed with story, and thus so good. So JMS was faced with concluding the Londo storyline in five, and not much else, which makes the season feel very empty. The second reason it sucks is Lockley. She's a harsh character, and a poor replacement for Ivanova, who decided (there's lots of rumor/stories from both sides on what really happened) not to join up for season five when another network decided to save the series. Coming off four years of character development, adding a new character just isn't appealing. And if I remember correctly, Ivanova was supposed to be the love interest for Byron, which would develop her psi abilities plotline, and probably wouldn't be nearly as boring as that plotline turned out to be. Thin storyline and new characters killed season five.

Now, I must say, I love B5. I didn't see it in first run, but I caught it in daily reruns the year before season five started. The slowness of season one didn't affect me much, as I saw an episode every day. Like everyone else, I loved 2-4. When my VCR failed to tape the last episode of season 4, a B5 fanatic friend of mine gave me a tape that had the last episode plus the series finale. At that time, season 5 wasn't announced, and I don't even know if the actual finale ever aired at the end of four, but it was such a great conclusion. Anyone know if they just aired the "humans a million years from now" ep back then, or gave up the finale as well?

After I got married, SciFi started showing the entire series daily, and Dark Galaxy was introduced to the show, and became addicted to it while pregnant with our son. It was a daily ritual to watch B5 for months. When we were trying to come up with a middle name for our son, we ended up choosing Sheridan.

Someday I hope to get the entire DVD set, but it's just one of those gifts that hasn't happened yet.

The part with you, Dark Galaxy and your son was sweet and touching.

[bert]

Actually, there are two reasons why season five sucked so bad. One, JMS was forced to tell much of what was supposed to happen in season five in season four, as they were getting cancelled at the end of four. They even filmed the finale you saw at the end of season five at the end of season four. That's why Ivanova is in it. The impending cancellation is why season four is so packed with story, and thus so good. So JMS was faced with concluding the Londo storyline in five, and not much else, which makes the season feel very empty. The second reason it sucks is Lockley. She's a harsh character, and a poor replacement for Ivanova, who decided (there's lots of rumor/stories from both sides on what really happened) not to join up for season five when another network decided to save the series. Coming off four years of character development, adding a new character just isn't appealing. And if I remember correctly, Ivanova was supposed to be the love interest for Byron, which would develop her psi abilities plotline, and probably wouldn't be nearly as boring as that plotline turned out to be. Thin storyline and new characters killed season five.

Now, I must say, I love B5. I didn't see it in first run, but I caught it in daily reruns the year before season five started. The slowness of season one didn't affect me much, as I saw an episode every day. Like everyone else, I loved 2-4. When my VCR failed to tape the last episode of season 4, a B5 fanatic friend of mine gave me a tape that had the last episode plus the series finale. At that time, season 5 wasn't announced, and I don't even know if the actual finale ever aired at the end of four, but it was such a great conclusion. Anyone know if they just aired the "humans a million years from now" ep back then, or gave up the finale as well?

After I got married, SciFi started showing the entire series daily, and Dark Galaxy was introduced to the show, and became addicted to it while pregnant with our son. It was a daily ritual to watch B5 for months. When we were trying to come up with a middle name for our son, we ended up choosing Sheridan.

Someday I hope to get the entire DVD set, but it's just one of those gifts that hasn't happened yet.

yeah, you pretty much covered it and nailed the exact answer I was going to give Lester.

Season 5 sucked, because it's basically a stand alone year -- simply becaues JMS had wound up the "5 year arc" in 4 years, when the series was looking to be cancelled.

at the end of Season 4, they did NOT show the finale.

the 1000 years later ep, I believe was a last minute fill in, when season 5 was announced. The original last ep of season 4, was then bumped to the last episode of season 5 (hence, as you said, no Lochley, but a return of Ivonova (it had been filmed the year before).

bert

[Night Swordsman]

For me,Greatest TV Show,EVER.

CFT's DEAD-on about the reasons for season 5.

For me,i could go on and on about the episodes i love,including the big battle between the Vorlons and the Shadows. I was BOTH a Sherridan AND a Sinclair fan(War without End pts 1 and 2 remain a viewing pleasure to this day).


Also,if you check Ebay under Babylon 5 DVD's,you will see one or two COMPLETE B5 sets. Im not just talking about the Show. I mean B5 seasons 1-5,ALL the movies(Including In the Beginning and Legend of the Rangers) and all the episodes of Crusade. And it is Region 2 ONLY.

THAT's what ***I*** want for christmas,but either Region 1 or all region accessable.

[Lester C.]

For me,Greatest TV Show,EVER.

CFT's DEAD-on about the reasons for season 5.

For me,i could go on and on about the episodes i love,including the big battle between the Vorlons and the Shadows. I was BOTH a Sherridan AND a Sinclair fan(War without End pts 1 and 2 remain a viewing pleasure to this day).


Also,if you check Ebay under Babylon 5 DVD's,you will see one or two COMPLETE B5 sets. Im not just talking about the Show. I mean B5 seasons 1-5,ALL the movies(Including In the Beginning and Legend of the Rangers) and all the episodes of Crusade. And it is Region 2 ONLY.

THAT's what ***I*** want for christmas,but either Region 1 or all region accessable.

For what's it worth I bought all five seasons plus the movies brand new for 180 on Amazon. I think they may still be running that promotion which is why I brought it up.

[Night Swordsman]

For what's it worth I bought all five seasons plus the movies brand new for 180 on Amazon. I think they may still be running that promotion which is why I brought it up.

Yes...but it wont have the special long box that holds it all with the space station on it.

I want it. I must have it. It is ...precious to me. yessssss....:rolleyes:

[geordiesteve]

They had a massive sale on the DVDs here in the UK about 1 year ago, and I picked up the lot!!! 18 pounds a series.

I agree with comments about series 5, it was weak, but the best part about it was Sleeping in Light, and it was originally end of series 4, end of the entire show, and was then bumped.

I think Tracy Scoggins had a very tough role to fill, coming in and trying to be a unique character and not an Ivanavo clone, and I think she did a good job considering. Byron was supposed to get involved with Ivanavo, but also, if you go back far enough (showing my true B5 inner geek here) Talia Winters was never meant to leave the show. She was always meant to be the mole, however, Kosh had made a copy of her real personality, and I think the idea was she would be brought back somehow. However, the actress felt her character was not getting enough time, or developing enough and so asked to leave, little did she know what JMS had in mind for her later down the line. So, Lyta Alexander was brought back, and Pat Tallman did a fabulous job.

[Lester C.]

I up to half of season five and it's bad. Very, very bad. I blame Warner Brothers. JMS had to end all the plot lines at the end of season 4 so there was nothing left to tell.

[Sarah Beach]

I think in one of the commentaries, Joe explains that he had not wanted to replace Ivanova. But when the schedule for shooting season 5 was announced, Claudia had a film shoot that conflicted. Joe wanted to give her a pass, as she was apparently not crucial to the opening episodes he had planned. But the studio insisted. So she was out, he had to replace her, and hence Lockley.

I have to say the one thing that bugged me, and this is the actress's performance, given that JMS certainly wrote the possibilities in, was that I never had a sense that Lockley & Sheridan had even known each other, let alone been married. Not Boxlietner's fault, he wasn't given much to play off from her. Strangely enough, she was more convincing about it in Crusade. Heh.

[Lester C.]

I think in one of the commentaries, Joe explains that he had not wanted to replace Ivanova. But when the schedule for shooting season 5 was announced, Claudia had a film shoot that conflicted. Joe wanted to give her a pass, as she was apparently not crucial to the opening episodes he had planned. But the studio insisted. So she was out, he had to replace her, and hence Lockley.

I have to say the one thing that bugged me, and this is the actress's performance, given that JMS certainly wrote the possibilities in, was that I never had a sense that Lockley & Sheridan had even known each other, let alone been married. Not Boxlietner's fault, he wasn't given much to play off from her. Strangely enough, she was more convincing about it in Crusade. Heh.

He also stated in the introduction to season 4 that had he known Claudia was going to leave he would not have written Marcus off the show to make way for a romance between Ivanova and Byron. On the plus side Claudia did go on to star in an episode of Highlander that didn't have one scene with a Adrian Paul and was the only episode that had that distinction.

[Dark Galaxy]

I up to half of season five and it's bad. Very, very bad. I blame Warner Brothers. JMS had to end all the plot lines at the end of season 4 so there was nothing left to tell.


I blame Lockley's cheekbones and my obsession with wanting to see if I could use them as a bottle opener to crack open some beers.

Oh, and she acts about as well as a bottle opener too.

[Lester C.]

I blame Lockley's cheekbones and my obsession with wanting to see if I could use them as a bottle opener to crack open some beers.

Oh, and she acts about as well as a bottle opener too.

I will grant you she can't act worth a damn and is older than my mother but Tracy is gorgeous. I had a crush on her when I was a kid for her role as Cassandra in highlander.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c269/trigunfan1/Tracy20Scoggins.jpg

[Sharpandpointies]

I'll go with what everyone said so far as well, including my distaste for Season 5. The wrapup was pretty good, but other than that....

God, I loved that show. Still do. Watch it again, every time I feel like it.

Marcus isn't actually dead, according to canon. He ended up getting frozen (which one can see in the credits for the final episode), and that's the last one heard of him...except for a rather bizarre short story that someone did, which apparantly JMS read and said something like 'works for me'.

That could be wrong, though. I read the story, not so bad. Not great, though. Pity - Marcus was one of my favourite characters.

Then again, so was Major Ryan. Actually, there were a ton of characters I consider 'favourite', so much so that it kind of breaks the definition.

I actually liked a lot of the first season. Sure, less polish, and Mr. Bushy Eyebrows didn't have a lot of acting oomph, but there were some episodes that really worked, and it DID set the stage for the rest of the story. It wasn't as good as 2-4, but still....

[Corrina]

Like all of you, I loved the first four seasons, though I have to admit the first season started very slowly for me. It was only the big reveal at the end of the first season on why the Mimbari called truce on Earth that sold me.

Now, that's the way to end a season!

I had a lot of favorites, but G'Kar and G'Kar and Londo together were always pure gold.

I think Ivanova always got all the best lines, though. "No boom. Today."

[Sharpandpointies]

I had a lot of favorites, but G'Kar and G'Kar and Londo together were always pure gold.

I think Ivanova always got all the best lines, though. "No boom. Today."

Truth about those two. They rocked. Heck, they pretty much made the show. And they got their own hilarious (and sometimes deeply moving) lines, both together and apart.

[bert]

I could swear I heard somewhere recently that JMS was continuing some of the Babylon 5 story. . .

in TV movies for Sci fi perhaps?

dunno how it will play w/out Franklin and GKar. . but I'll watch if he shows it.



did anyone here pick up Claudia's playboy issue after she left the show?

the pics are nice, but they don't even blurb her on the cover. . it's a little disappointing.

[Dark Galaxy]

I will grant you she can't act worth a damn and is older than my mother but Tracy is gorgeous. I had a crush on her when I was a kid for her role as Cassandra in highlander.

Dude. Her face looks like Skeletor.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

B5 was good but I preferred DS9.
Don´t get me wrong, both shows had very interesting plots and dialogues but looking at performances, I felt the actors in the trek show delivered a far more true, sincere performance.

Aside from Lando and G´Kar (who was superb!), most B5 characters seemed to be phoning in their lines half the time, not quite sure of what their roles were.

In DS9, when Julian and Miles hang out, I wanted to be a part of that wacky bunch too!
The relationships between the characters transpired from the screen, you could feel it whereas in B5 it had to be stated.

[Sarah Beach]

Aside from Lando and G´Kar (who was superb!), most B5 characters seemed to be phoning in their lines half the time, not quite sure of what their roles were.

Huh? Bruce Boxleitner always delivered the goods brilliantly. Mira made Delenn amazing. Bill Mumy played his part with perfect balance. Stephen Furst brought a lot of depth to Vir. On and on.

You're just biased. That's what it is. And in favor of the rip-off! ;) (I'm not really one of the rabid DS9 haters. I just don't think it's the superior show.)

[Sharpandpointies]

Huh? Bruce Boxleitner always delivered the goods brilliantly. Mira made Delenn amazing. Bill Mumy played his part with perfect balance. Stephen Furst brought a lot of depth to Vir. On and on.


Agreed. I only felt the acting in the pilot was wooden.

.....

Oh, and Sinclair, too. Except for one or two scenes in the first season.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

"Wooden".

That´s the word I was looking for. :p

I agree that there were some good actors in the show (how could I have forgotten Vir?) but I was never quite convinced by their performances.

Now don´t get me wrong, I really don´t wanna come off as a B5 hater since it´s one of my top 5 favorite sci-fi shows ever, next to BSG, DS9, Firefly or SG-1 (hey! haven´t watched Atlantis yet) but comparing space station show with space station show, DS9 actors always sounded more natural to me.

I remember this one scenne where there was a room filled with aliens; a klingon, a ferengi, etc, etc There was not one single human in that crowd for me to empathise with and yet I was riveted by the story.

That´s quite a feat.....

[O'Blivion]

Actually, there are two reasons why season five sucked so bad. One, JMS was forced to tell much of what was supposed to happen in season five in season four, as they were getting cancelled at the end of four. They even filmed the finale you saw at the end of season five at the end of season four. That's why Ivanova is in it. The impending cancellation is why season four is so packed with story, and thus so good. So JMS was faced with concluding the Londo storyline in five, and not much else, which makes the season feel very empty. The second reason it sucks is Lockley. She's a harsh character, and a poor replacement for Ivanova, who decided (there's lots of rumor/stories from both sides on what really happened) not to join up for season five when another network decided to save the series. Coming off four years of character development, adding a new character just isn't appealing. And if I remember correctly, Ivanova was supposed to be the love interest for Byron, which would develop her psi abilities plotline, and probably wouldn't be nearly as boring as that plotline turned out to be. Thin storyline and new characters killed season five.


Instead of Lockley, I'd submit that Byron was the one character that single-handedly dragged down the first half of season 5. To me, he epitomized the worst of JMS' writing style -- the character was almost all pompous monologues, without the redeeming value of the show's other featured players. Even if he'd been paired with Ivanova, it would have been grating to watch.

[carabas]

Yep. Byron killed much of season 5 (and it wasnt very alive to begin with).

Part of this was horrid writing, part of this was the most interesting bit of the story being killed by the sacking of Claudia Christian, and part of it was the role of a charismatic cult leader being played a goth in a coma.

[Night Swordsman]

Huh? Bruce Boxleitner always delivered the goods brilliantly. Mira made Delenn amazing. Bill Mumy played his part with perfect balance. Stephen Furst brought a lot of depth to Vir. On and on.

You're just biased. That's what it is. And in favor of the rip-off! ;) (I'm not really one of the rabid DS9 haters. I just don't think it's the superior show.)

Amen Sarah! I tried SOOO hard to like DS9,but it always felt like a weak version of B5. Did i DISLIKE DS9? No..i watched alot of them,but i did not FEEL for the show(or ANY other show like it to that matter) the way i felt for B5. Five great years of my life..and i remember the day after the final episode was shot,i felt so sad and lonely....:(

[Corrina]

I think both shows had their share of wooden acting--the preference probably because viewers identified with the character concepts of one over the other.

For instance, Dr. Bashir never struck me as interesting at all and I never thought the actor did much to make him interesting. Terry Farrell was...just plain bad. She had good lines and I still never bought her as a badass. (I have the same problem with Eliza Dushka as Faith on Buffy--she never seemed badass-but after a while I came to realize that maybe that was the point, the character was overcompensating.)

O'Brien and Sisco were great on DSP, and Odo, and ...gah...sorry, the female second-in-command.

The Ferengi mostly drove me nuts. Nails on a chalkboard.

Mostly, I just really got into B5's theme and when there were wooden scenes with actors, I was able to fill in the blanks. It did help that my favorite characters--G'Kar, Londo, Vir, Ivanova, Garibaldi--were played by good actors. C'mon, Syd the Snitch from "Hill Street Blues" morphing into a conflicted Emperor? Flounder from "Animal House," taking a joke character and making him complex? Walter Koening actually written as *menacing* and he pulled it off? (Plus, his character is Alfred Bester. Hee.)

It also helped that I loved the guest stars.

I mean, Michael York as a fellow who thinks he's King Arthur, teaming up with G'Kar? Awesome.

David Warner as the man on an eternal quest? Excellent.

Edward Woodward as a ancient techno-mage still with plenty of tricks up his sleeve quoting stuff about dragons be so Jungian? Awesome. (My favorite episode of Crusade.)

Anyway, I suspect others did the same with DS9, depending on how much they bought into the worldbuilding. It just all seemed a little too clean to me on DS9, despite the attempt to gritty everything up. But that doesn't mean it wasn't good--kudos because it's obviously the best Trek since the original series and stands on it's own as one of the very best SF television series.

But B5 was better. :)

[Tobias March]

Aren't comparisons tween DS9 & B5 a sore point, given that Straczynski originally wrote a proposal for what was to become the Trek series? Essentially, what if they're not on a ship! Then after he wasn't invited onboard, he developed his own show away from Paramount.

I remember Boxleitner been interviewed on Star Trek and he mocked the Enterprise as resembling a fountain decoration. That was nice :)

[Sarah Beach]

Aren't comparisons tween DS9 & B5 a sore point, given that Straczynski originally wrote a proposal for what was to become the Trek series? Essentially, what if they're not on a ship! Then after he wasn't invited onboard, he developed his own show away from Paramount.

I remember Boxleitner been interviewed on Star Trek and he mocked the Enterprise as resembling a fountain decoration. That was nice :)

I've heard Joe speak about it a few times at San Diego. He pitched Babylon 5 (not a Trek proposal) to Paramount, they said they weren't interested. He left. Then Paramount announced the upcoming DS9, which contained specific elements that had been in his proposal (such as, originally, the Mimbari were shapechangers, and the station sat by a wormhole). He had to change several elements of his B5 proposal so as not to conflict - because Paramount was faster at getting their series off the ground than he was.

[Lester C.]

I've just seen all of season five. Here is the deal. The first ten episodes or so of Season five are god awfull. Things do pick up in a hurry once Bryon is dead and gone and the show does finish strong.

[Lester C.]

Dude. Her face looks like Skeletor.

Everytime I see the character now I see Skeletor and no I'm not kidding. I don't know how it but I'm blaming CFT for that!:mad:

[Sarah Beach]

He's stopped sneezing!

There are some episodes in Season 5 that I like - the one when Lennier contemplates letting Sheridan die. Nice emotional edge to it.

[Lester C.]

He's stopped sneezing!

There are some episodes in Season 5 that I like - the one when Lennier contemplates letting Sheridan die. Nice emotional edge to it.

You know a season wasn’t its best when all the commentary tracks take place on the last two disks unlike the first four season which had the commentaries spread out of all six disks. All the pivitol moments, like the one you mentioned, happened after Byron bites it.

[Tommy]

I have to say one of the best things about this show was the level of humor laced through out it. My personal favorite episode of the entire series was the one where Sheridan tricks the League of Nonaligned Worlds into letting the White Stars patrol their boarders. I still quote Londo's speech to completely confused people all the time.

[Sarah Beach]

Yah, lots of humor I liked. I liked the dock workers' negotiation, where Sheridan gives the hostile guy the gun and Ivanova nearly has a heartattack. Except that it wasn't loaded.

Or the rebooted computer with Harlan Ellison's voice that plays Jewish mother/father to Garibaldi (and his solution to it in the lift tubes).

Or the "grouch, crotchity, grumpy" scene between Delenn & Sheridan.

[Lester C.]

This video is going to drive Night Swordsman nuts but I love it anyway.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LGpVkF_2DqQ

[shanejayell]

THAT is cool.
:)

[Lester C.]

THAT is cool.
:)

Night Swordsman is going to go bersek when he sees the link. I can't wait.:)

[Sharpandpointies]

I've just seen all of season five. Here is the deal. The first ten episodes or so of Season five are god awfull. Things do pick up in a hurry once Bryon is dead and gone and the show does finish strong.

Good point. Season Five's main agony is Byron of the Long Hair.

[Night Swordsman]

Night Swordsman is going to go bersek when he sees the link. I can't wait.:)

I am boycotting that link. Knowing that it will drive me nuts,and what a short trip THAT is,i am staying away from it.


If you go to the link,you will die...:p

[Papergirl]

I am boycotting that link. Knowing that it will drive me nuts,and what a short trip THAT is,i am staying away from it.


If you go to the link,you will die...:p
*follows the link and lives in spite of Night's threats of death!*

~Bev

[Bright-Raven]

I enjoyed Babylon 5 for what it was, but my respect for JMS went out the door when I read his two novels, DEMON NIGHT (1988) and OTHERSYDE (1990) circa 1994.

While neither of them are actual precursors to B5, several characters of the show are clearly 'reincarnated' from these two books. In DEMON NIGHT, a priest loses his eye while fighting the demons (Priest who loses his eye? G'Kar anyone?). In OTHERSYDE, the teenagers who have certain powers are on the run from the forces of darkness (who may or may not have been called the Shadows - I can't remember which book's anatagonist monsters were called the Shadows, but one of the books refers to it) = the underground railroad for tepes. The female cop in Othersyde = Ivanova (which as we have read earlier in the thread tracks with where JMS was taking the character before Claudia Christian left the series). There is also a character in Demon Night that Londo was clearly based on, and the leads from both books were sort of a Sinclair / Sheridan / Garibaldi mix in their own rights.

So I really found JMS to be merely repeating himself after reading the novels and losing a lot of the love for the show, which is sad, because the characters and the casts were actually rather good.

[Lester C.]

I am boycotting that link. Knowing that it will drive me nuts,and what a short trip THAT is,i am staying away from it.


If you go to the link,you will die...:p

Just you wait. Sooner or later you going to have you just when be able to help yourself. Once that happens you'll go into a tirade that will have your kittens hiding beneath a couch.:eek:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LGpVkF_2DqQ

[Papergirl]

Sooner or later you going to have you just when be able to help yourself.
Huh?

In English, please?

~Bev

[Lester C.]

Huh?

In English, please?

~Bev

Well it is my bed time. I'll be more coherent when I wake up later.

[hellokittykat]

Well it is my bed time. I'll be more coherent when I wake up later.

Don't make promises you can't keep!

[Papergirl]

Well it is my bed time. I'll be more coherent when I wake up later.

Don't make promises you can't keep!

What she said!

:p

~Bev