Superman 2000 Proposal?

[JoshuaB]

I heard that Grand Morrison had a proposal for Superman several years back (well, um, I'd guess somewhere around 2000)...does anyone know what was in the proposal?

[dupersuper]

I'd heard he, Mark Waid, Mark Millar, and Tom Peyer proposed getting rid of the marriage, but having Supes be the only 1 who remembers it.

[umbc8]

Yeah, Brainiac was supposed to do something that caused the entire world to forget that Lois Lane and Clark Kent were married, and Lois would no longer remember that Clark is Superman.

Rumor has it that they were told no mostly because they didn't want the names on the creative teams to be bigger than the character. Then they went and got Jeph Loeb, if that makes sense.

Personally, while it would be interesting to see what they would have done with it, I'm glad they didn't get the books. I prefer them married in-continuity.

[PatrickG]

Waid has disavowed some of that. And some of that was apparently in Loeb's proposal so there may be a mixup.

Among the things I have heard...

Superman keeping a journal on a hydrogen atom, inscribed with heat vision. Metallo with a Red Kryptonite heart.

The only thing I know for sure was that Andy Kubert was looked at as an artist and that Morrison redesigned the S-logo. (His redesign was in the preview art of All-Star Superman.)

I have a sketch that Morrison drew for me of Superman with the revised emblem.

[Spider-Man]

Patrick, are you Patrick Gerard from Comic Bloc?

If so, this is Chris, aka Vader.

Can you post a pic of that sketch for us?

Spidey

[RAman]

http://theages.superman.ws/History/2000/

This is what everyone's talking about. I've always thought it was a good idea, although I prefer having Clark and Lois stay together.

[PatrickG]

Patrick, are you Patrick Gerard from Comic Bloc?

If so, this is Chris, aka Vader.

Can you post a pic of that sketch for us?

Spidey

Yes, I am...

As for the sketch, it's in storage with some old stuff at my parents' house. I'll try to get it when I'm home for Christmas.

[J. Robb]

This is what everyone's talking about. I've always thought it was a good idea, although I prefer having Clark and Lois stay together.
Yeah, there's no reason "a forward-looking, intelligent, enthusiastic hero retooled to address the challenges of the next thousand years, the ultimate American icon revitalized for the new millennium as an aspirational figure, a role model for 21st Century global humanity" has to be single.

I realize that in most serialized fiction (be it comics, TV, whatever) the lead characters are ultimately kept single to keep their options open, not tie them down and generally glamourize the single life, but that's the kind of trend I like to see Superman bucking. Finding a woman you love, marrying her and staying with her isn't exactly considered "cool", but Superman isn't about "cool". And that's what's cool about him.

[Jack Zodiac]

The !@#$% it is! He's everything you'll never be. A faithful husband, a perfect hero, an all-around decent human being. That's why he's cool. You could only dream of being as cool as Superman.

[CaptainAwesome]

Yeah, there's no reason "a forward-looking, intelligent, enthusiastic hero retooled to address the challenges of the next thousand years, the ultimate American icon revitalized for the new millennium as an aspirational figure, a role model for 21st Century global humanity" has to be single.

I realize that in most serialized fiction (be it comics, TV, whatever) the lead characters are ultimately kept single to keep their options open, not tie them down and generally glamourize the single life, but that's the kind of trend I like to see Superman bucking. Finding a woman you love, marrying her and staying with her isn't exactly considered "cool", but Superman isn't about "cool". And that's what's cool about him.

For that matter, why shouldnt he have a kid? So many people have a mad on for this new kid in Action, but I dont see why. I know this is off topic and I dont want to start a whole argument about the merrits of a super-son, but I agree with you in that Superman should not have to conform to whats "cool" to be a role model for the 21st century.

[Spider-Man]

The !@#$% it is! He's everything you'll never be. A faithful husband, a perfect hero, an all-around decent human being. That's why he's cool. You could only dream of being as cool as Superman.

Wow.

I really hope you're joking.

If not, I suggest looking up the word "fiction" and then getting back to us all.

Spidey

[jaguarshark]

For memory, Morrison was actually in favour of keeping the marriage, but, shockingly, "that arch iconoclast" Mark Waid wanted to revert to tradition. I could be remembering that wrong, though.

I like the idea of a married Superman, and I'm loving the kid in Action Comics. I really hope they keep him, even though it seems clear that they won't. I think it's a great idea for Supes to have an adopted child, and for that child to actually be Kryptonian is just icing on the cake.

[Jack Zodiac]

Wow.

I really hope you're joking.

If not, I suggest looking up the word "fiction" and then getting back to us all.

Spidey

Yep, gotta' love that Internet.

[Jack Zodiac]

For memory, Morrison was actually in favour of keeping the marriage, but, shockingly, "that arch iconoclast" Mark Waid wanted to revert to tradition. I could be remembering that wrong, though.

I like the idea of a married Superman, and I'm loving the kid in Action Comics. I really hope they keep him, even though it seems clear that they won't. I think it's a great idea for Supes to have an adopted child, and for that child to actually be Kryptonian is just icing on the cake.

If they actually go through with it instead of making it a cheap gimmick to cash in on the... uh, success?... of the film, then I could appreciate it.

[Person Man]

Why isn't the full text of the proposal available anywhere, anyways? I mean, we have Alan Moore's "Twilight" thing in full, why not this?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm sorta glad DC didn't retcon the marriage. Because every hero needs a happy ending. Lois finally got her Superman. It took 50 years but it was a nice payoff for fans.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Why isn't the full text of the proposal available anywhere, anyways? I mean, we have Alan Moore's "Twilight" thing in full, why not this?

I agree. If only Grant Morrison posted here, at least from time to time...

Anyway... From what I remember, each one of the writers was going to get one of the four books that existed back in the day. The whole thing had been GREEN-FREAKIN'-LIGHTED, but sadly, someone from the hig ranks at DC stopped the project at the last minute. Eddie Berganza had to run to get the replacement teams, that resulted in Jeph Loeb and company.

I'd like to see this project come to fruition some day before I die, dammit.

EDIT: I think I remember reading Morrison saying something among the lines of those guys not wanting their ideas for the project stolen, hence the absence of the full proposal. It's sad. I'm sure that would have been a helluva ride.

[jaguarshark]

If they actually go through with it instead of making it a cheap gimmick to cash in on the... uh, success?... of the film, then I could appreciate it.

As much as I loved the movie, I think they've done a better job with Super-Kid in the comics. Adopting a Kryptonian child is really a lot more fitting and practical than the situation in 'Returns', so I'd like to see the concept stick. And since Chris was apparently born in the Phantom Zone or something, Kal-El would still be The Last Son of Krypton.

[RAman]

I'd also like to see Superman have to raise Chris Kent. Plus, it would breathe fresh air into the Superman mythos, even though I enjoy it the way it is right now.

Maybe they can incorporate some of the Superman 2000 plot lines later on. It seems as though they'd already added a few things from the plot line to other Superman stories, at least according to that website I found yesterday.

[TROUBLEZ]

I thought I read somewhere, maybe in Wizard, that one of the many reasons that they didn't want Morrison and co. to go through with it is because Superman kisses a man, like in Miracleman.

One of the ideas about Superman not wearin red underoos on the outside doesn't seem like something worth changing. And that's pretty silly on DCs part not to get big names to write Superman for fear of overshadowing the character. You would think they would want to get great writers on their flagship titles.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Anyway... From what I remember, each one of the writers was going to get one of the four books that existed back in the day. The whole thing had been GREEN-FREAKIN'-LIGHTED, but sadly, someone from the hig ranks at DC stopped the project at the last minute. Eddie Berganza had to run to get the replacement teams, that resulted in Jeph Loeb and company.
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While I have no proof whatsoever, I've always suspected that the DC Exec that Kaboshed the Morrison/Waid/Millar/Peyer Superman revamp was then DC Head Honcho Mike Carlin. Carlin was reportedly very protective of his legacy on the Superman franchise (Carlin was the editor that presided over the Pocket Universe Saga, the Marriage of Lois & Clark, the Death of Superman and the Super-Mullet). The Superman 2000 propossal would have reversed or outright dumped most of what Carlin (along with John Byrne) had done to the Supprman books since the '86 reboot.

You'll notice that Morrison, Waid and Millar all left DC for Marvel following the extremely harsh rejection of their propossal, only to return when Dan Dido replaced Mike Carlin as Executive Editor of the DCU. Amongst Dido's first projects as head of the DC line was to get Mark Waid to revamp Superman's origins in Birthright and, eventually, get Morrison on Superman with All Star. Millar, of course, still had issues with Paul Levitz over his censorship of The Authority so he stayed with Marvel.

Again, I have no proof of any of this, but Carlin certainly fits the facts we do know. Given that Mike Carlin still holds a position of great power at DC, I can see why niether Morrison nor Waid have publicly named him as the guy who torpedoed their Superman propossal.

[Apathy Boy]

EDIT: I think I remember reading Morrison saying something among the lines of those guys not wanting their ideas for the project stolen, hence the absence of the full proposal. It's sad. I'm sure that would have been a helluva ride.That's part of the reason. Another reason is that the proposal is likely the intellectual property of either DC comics or the authors. Alan Moore's TWILIGHT proposal actually belongs to DC, and has only been seen by us because it was illegally leaked on the Internet. (It's actually never been officially confirmed that the TWILIGHT proposal is the authentic proposal that Moore wrote. But it would be a hell of a hoax if it wasn't.)

[jam]

As a lover of alternate-universe stories, it is certainly fun to imagine what might have come out of the Superman 2000 revamp.

It's a crying shame it didn't happen. With all due respect to Loeb et al, their work just didn't interest me.

[Kilgore Trout]

In October 1998, Grant Morrison, Mark Waid, Mark Millar, and Tom Peyer submitted to DC Comics an in-depth 21 page proposal, intended to revitalize the Superman franchise for the new millennium...

There's a bit of info about that here:

http://theages.superman.ws/History/2000/

[jam]

In October 1998, Grant Morrison, Mark Waid, Mark Millar, and Tom Peyer submitted to DC Comics an in-depth 21 page proposal, intended to revitalize the Superman franchise for the new millennium...

There's a bit of info about that here:

http://theages.superman.ws/History/2000/

Hey Mr. Trout, that's the same link RAman posted earlier in this thread!

(It's easily done, i'm not getting on your case or anything ...)

[Kilgore Trout]

Hey Mr. Trout, that's the same link RAman posted earlier in this thread!

(It's easily done, i'm not getting on your case or anything ...)

Yikes!

Sorry about that.

Next time I'll start reading at the beginning of the thread...:o

[Jack Zodiac]

Not to drift too off topic or anything, but that site, Superman Through The Ages, kicks ass. They have a whole glossary of Kryptonian phrases, a Kryptonian alphabet, and a few scanned issues that are great reads, including some classic Elliot S! Maggin stories.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Agreed. I *love* that site.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

While I have no proof whatsoever, I've always suspected that the DC Exec that Kaboshed the Morrison/Waid/Millar/Peyer Superman revamp was then DC Head Honcho Mike Carlin. Carlin was reportedly very protective of his legacy on the Superman franchise (Carlin was the editor that presided over the Pocket Universe Saga, the Marriage of Lois & Clark, the Death of Superman and the Super-Mullet). The Superman 2000 propossal would have reversed or outright dumped most of what Carlin (along with John Byrne) had done to the Supprman books since the '86 reboot.

You'll notice that Morrison, Waid and Millar all left DC for Marvel following the extremely harsh rejection of their propossal, only to return when Dan Dido replaced Mike Carlin as Executive Editor of the DCU. Amongst Dido's first projects as head of the DC line was to get Mark Waid to revamp Superman's origins in Birthright and, eventually, get Morrison on Superman with All Star. Millar, of course, still had issues with Paul Levitz over his censorship of The Authority so he stayed with Marvel.

Again, I have no proof of any of this, but Carlin certainly fits the facts we do know. Given that Mike Carlin still holds a position of great power at DC, I can see why niether Morrison nor Waid have publicly named him as the guy who torpedoed their Superman propossal.

Well, what you mentioned about Carlin certainly makes sense. However, I also think I read somewhere that the proposal wasn't going to affect continuity, or at least most of it.

I don't know. If this happens to be the true story, then it was a poor decision on Carlin's part. It's a pity that Millar isn't back in DC (yet), I'd like to see him writing Supes. And whatever happened to Peyer?

That's part of the reason. Another reason is that the proposal is likely the intellectual property of either DC comics or the authors. Alan Moore's TWILIGHT proposal actually belongs to DC, and has only been seen by us because it was illegally leaked on the Internet. (It's actually never been officially confirmed that the TWILIGHT proposal is the authentic proposal that Moore wrote. But it would be a hell of a hoax if it wasn't.)

Interesting piece of info. And it's completely plausible. Not only would the writers want their ideas not to be stolen, but DC would want the same as well. After all, who knows? Maybe we'll see some of that one of these days.

EDIT: regarding that Twilight Of The Superheroes, is it me or Moore had already some resentment towards DC at the time he wrote that? It's like you can perceive that by reading that proposal.

[J. Robb]

Not to drift too off topic or anything, but that site, Superman Through The Ages, kicks ass. They have a whole glossary of Kryptonian phrases, a Kryptonian alphabet, and a few scanned issues that are great reads, including some classic Elliot S! Maggin stories.
I love the site, too, but it seems to have a hate on for the post-Crisis stuff up until the Loeb era for some reason. Lots of cool old stories online, though.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Especially for the Byrne revamp, IIRC.

[karasu]

I don't want a super-kid. Not ever. Fictional kids are annoying and I've never seen anything anywhere where they've actually added to the story. Well, the exception is the Batman books. Otherwise, kids are so pointless that no one ever wonders 'What if Braniac had an heir? What if Lex Luthor had a son?" etc etc etc. because it would add nothing! All it does if give Clark and Lois something to argue about, or Superman another reason to have the whole 'No one touches my family!!!' attitude that he already exhibits when Lois is harmed. Would the kid ever grow up? Would Clark and Lois age? Would grandparents die? OR would he be the perpetually cute kid with the bowl haircut. :/ I've always been more fond of the idea that Clark and Lois were unable to conceive due to differences in physiology. Not all married couples have children. Just say No to Superman Jr. folks. I beg you!:eek:

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Well, I tend to agree with this. I've always thought that the Super-couple can't have children due to DNA incompatibility. And I feel that this kid won't stay for long, so...

[Jack Zodiac]

All of that aside, they aren't having a kid together. They're adopting another lost Kryptonian (who just happens to be General Zod's son). I think it's great, especially with Supergirl being removed from the Superfamily, either by editorial or Kelly, for however long and whatever reason.

[Ontir]

As I heard it, Lois was meant to die. Superman would then ask Mr. Mxyztplk to restore Lois; but the rub would be that only Superman would remember the marriage, down to Lois not remembering that Clark and Superman are one and the same.

[karasu]

All of that aside, they aren't having a kid together. They're adopting another lost Kryptonian (who just happens to be General Zod's son). I think it's great, especially with Supergirl being removed from the Superfamily, either by editorial or Kelly, for however long and whatever reason.


That's kind of wonky too though. Why does it even have to be Kryptonian? That just makes it the Superman Jr. thing all over again. Lois may as well not exist.

Sheesh, Kryptonians are supposed to be dead. Reintroducing Zod? Alright, but adding yet another Kryptonian as well? Good grief, does the world really have to revolve around the ashes of Krypton? >_< A Kryptonian born in the phantom zone is still a Kryptonian. I hope the kid is a clone. A clone with a really short lifespan. Evaporate boy. Evaporate!

[TimothyCallahan]

If anyone's interested, Chad Nevett and I have been excerpting bits of the Superman 2000 pitch and commenting upon it. We're both particularly fascinated by the Morrison/Waid/Millar/Peyer's proposal in relation to other Superman interpretations, specifically what Morrison's currently doing in "All-Star."

Here's a link to the most recent post on Superman 2000--the rest of our discussions are referred to in the text:

http://geniusboyfiremelon.blogspot.com/2008/06/superman-2000-pitch-superman.html

Swing by and join in on the fun!

[TROUBLEZ]

Thanks for putting that up!

When I first heard about it, I thought I read that Waid/Morrison/whoeverelse, were planning on doing some surprising things, one of them Superman kissing a man (like in Miracleman).

From what I read from the link, it doesn't sound like something that would be shot down by the DC editors.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

The thing was inexplicably shut down by editorial after it got the green light. I even remember reading that Eddie Berganza had to look for new creative teams like, in seconds.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

If anyone's interested, Chad Nevett and I have been excerpting bits of the Superman 2000 pitch and commenting upon it. We're both particularly fascinated by the Morrison/Waid/Millar/Peyer's proposal in relation to other Superman interpretations, specifically what Morrison's currently doing in "All-Star."

Here's a link to the most recent post on Superman 2000--the rest of our discussions are referred to in the text:

http://geniusboyfiremelon.blogspot.com/2008/06/superman-2000-pitch-superman.html

Swing by and join in on the fun!

Oh, I surely will. Thanx for the link. I'll take my time to read these commentaries of yours.

I still can't think of a reason why some writers are afraid (or whatever) of writing a mega-powerful Superman.

[Froggy]

Oh, I surely will. Thanx for the link. I'll take my time to read these commentaries of yours.

I still can't think of a reason why some writers are afraid (or whatever) of writing a mega-powerful Superman.
Ig uess they complain that they don't know how to write a ultra powerful supes? or some mess liek that, or the whole relatable issues

personally the pitch sounds kind of kewl

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Ig uess they complain that they don't know how to write a ultra powerful supes? or some mess liek that, or the whole relatable issues

personally the pitch sounds kind of kewl

Oh, yes. The whole "boo-hoo, Superman is too powerful, hence I can't relate to him". Why on EARTH would you want to relate to Superman? He's SUPERMAN, for the love of god, you're supposed to be in sheer AWE in his mere presence. You want to relate to him? That's what CLARK KENT is for.

I guess we'll never know for sure, my friend.

[Froggy]

Oh, yes. The whole "boo-hoo, Superman is too powerful, hence I can't relate to him". Why on EARTH would you want to relate to Superman? He's SUPERMAN, for the love of god, you're supposed to be in sheer AWE in his mere presence. You want to relate to him? That's what CLARK KENT is for.

I guess we'll never know for sure, my friend. it's like the tootsie rol pop question

but yeah, superman should be that guy you look at with your jaw dropping at what he does

[666MasterOfPuppets]

it's like the tootsie rol pop question

but yeah, superman should be that guy you look at with your jaw dropping at what he does

Agreed. At least we got All Star Superman.

And I read all the posts in the blog, Timothy. Great stuff. I liked all the excerpts of the pitch.

[TimothyCallahan]

My Splash Page (http://www.sequart.org/columns/?col=131) colleague Chad Nevett has posted more about the pitch--he's excerpted some bits about the proposed costume redesign and the "lost years":

http://graphicontent.blogspot.com/2008/06/superman-2000-pitch-history.html

Also, my understanding of the rejection--and this is based purely on interviews I've read--is that Superman 2000 was rejected not just because of it's content (although that may have been part of it), but because someone in DC editorial--speculation points to Mike Carlin, but it's just speculation--didn't appreciate the way the pitch was handled. Didn't appreciate these four outside freelancers attempting to come in and change everything up. (Even though the pitch was apparently solicited from inside DC.)

[666MasterOfPuppets]

If that is true, then Mike Carlin is an idiot.

Thanx for the link.

[Superboy-Prime]

There are certain heroes who should have a kid and there are ones who shouldn't. Superman should not have a kid. I don't mind or hate chris Kent. But I don't see why exactly he's there,no point to him at all. Surely,grant Morrison doesn't need to add a kid to his All Star Supes book to keep it fresh?. The Superman mythos would be alot cooler, if All Star Supes was in Continuity.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

There are certain heroes who should have a kid and there are ones who shouldn't. Superman should not have a kid. I don't mind or hate chris Kent. But I don't see why exactly he's there,no point to him at all. Surely,grant Morrison doesn't need to add a kid to his All Star Supes book to keep it fresh?. The Superman mythos would be alot cooler, if All Star Supes was in Continuity.

I agree, except for the ending All-Star Superman has...

[TimothyCallahan]

Ha--yeah--the beauty of All-Star Superman is that it can draw upon previous continuity without being entrenched in it or bound by it as far as the story's outcome.

By the way, I mentioned Miracle Monday, the Elliot S! Maggin novel in my last blog post about Superman 2000, and my copy of the novel just arrived today, so I posted about how it relates to what Morrison, Waid and company had in mind for Superman.

Here's the new post:

http://geniusboyfiremelon.blogspot.com/2008/06/superman-and-miracle-monday.html

Has anyone read Miracle Monday? I don't think I've ever read a superhero novel before, actually. Except for Superfolks. You kind of have to read that one if you're commenting on Alan Moore and Grant Morrison. (If you don't already know, Morrison famously slammed Moore for swiping much of his early superhero work from Superfolks.) But otherwise, superhero novels always seemed like they'd be pretty terrible. Am I wrong?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Ha--yeah--the beauty of All-Star Superman is that it can draw upon previous continuity without being entrenched in it or bound by it as far as the story's outcome.

By the way, I mentioned Miracle Monday, the Elliot S! Maggin novel in my last blog post about Superman 2000, and my copy of the novel just arrived today, so I posted about how it relates to what Morrison, Waid and company had in mind for Superman.

Here's the new post:

http://geniusboyfiremelon.blogspot.com/2008/06/superman-and-miracle-monday.html

Has anyone read Miracle Monday? I don't think I've ever read a superhero novel before, actually. Except for Superfolks. You kind of have to read that one if you're commenting on Alan Moore and Grant Morrison. (If you don't already know, Morrison famously slammed Moore for swiping much of his early superhero work from Superfolks.) But otherwise, superhero novels always seemed like they'd be pretty terrible. Am I wrong?

I read the "Miracle Monday" comic book story at the dead (and missed) Superman Through The Ages website.

Gotta get that novel someday. And didn't know that Morrison/Moore story. Thanx for sharing.

[TimothyCallahan]

Another excerpt from the pitch, this time dealing with the group's concept of "Clark Kent":

http://geniusboyfiremelon.blogspot.com/2008/06/superman-2000-pitch-clark-kent.html

Your thoughts?

[Bored at 3:00AM]

It's a damn shame this proposal never got the go ahead, all because of office politics. The chain reaction it caused within the comics industry was massive.

If I'm understanding this correctly, Eddie Berganza, upon becoming the new Superman Group Editor, asked Morrison, Waid, Millar & Peyer to submit a proposal on a new direction for the Superman books. They did, then DC Executive Editor Mike Carlin, who had been the editor of Byrne's reboot following Andy Hefler's departure, freaks out because he thinks these writers are trying to take the jobs of the current Super-writers and tells them that they will NEVER write Superman.

Morrison and Waid promptly jump ship to Marvel to relaunch X-Men and Fantastic Four while Millar moves on to Authority until Levitz drives him over to Marvel, where he helps create the Ultimate Universe.

As a result, Mike Carlin is demoted and Dan Dido replaces him, who promptly woos back Waid with Superman: Birthright and Morrison with Seven Soldiers and a bunch of creator-owned Vertigo projects.

Without Morrison and Millar to balance out Waid, Birthright fails to catch on, leading to Infinite Crisis rebooting the character again.

All because of one propossal getting rejected.

Oh, and they had the idea for weeky comics being written by a group of like-minded writers years before 52.....geez.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Another excerpt from the pitch, this time dealing with the group's concept of "Clark Kent":

http://geniusboyfiremelon.blogspot.com/2008/06/superman-2000-pitch-clark-kent.html

Your thoughts?

I agree with the entirety of the post. Now that I think of it, it's indeed strange the reasoning behind Clark being veggie. However, I do like the "aura vision" Waid introduced in Birthright.

[HaroldAllnut]

That proposal is molto buono. What confuses me is this: was that proposal created around the time that there were 4 separate Super-books? Also, although I'm sure it's been said, we are getting snatches of this over in All-Star Superman... It's just purely Morrison. Do you guys think that's a good thing or a bad thing?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

That proposal is molto buono. What confuses me is this: was that proposal created around the time that there were 4 separate Super-books?

Yes. Each of the writers was going to handle one of the books.

Also, although I'm sure it's been said, we are getting snatches of this over in All-Star Superman... It's just purely Morrison. Do you guys think that's a good thing or a bad thing?

And we got snatches in Birthright and in Red Son as well.

And yes, it's a good thing, since the whole proposal will never get to see the light.

[TimothyCallahan]

I've posted a length excerpt from the Superman 2000 pitch this week. This one deals with "Lois Lane, Mrs. Superman," and the details will be surprisingly familiar to you:

http://geniusboyfiremelon.blogspot.com/2008/06/superman-2000-pitch-lois-lane-mrs.html

Pretty crazy, eh?

[ZT4]

After the events of "Final Crisis", I dont think Morrison is through yet with this idea. I fear Superman: Beyond is going to do precisly what Superman 2000 was going to do. I hope I'm proven wrong, but it looks like they just switched one concept (Superman's identity being made public), for another used in Spider-Man to further the OMD scenario (loved one getting hurt)

[NotSuper]

Has anyone read Miracle Monday?
Yep. GREAT novel. Maggin is my favorite Superman writer of all time. The relationship he created between Superman and Luthor was simply fantastic.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I've posted a length excerpt from the Superman 2000 pitch this week. This one deals with "Lois Lane, Mrs. Superman," and the details will be surprisingly familiar to you:

http://geniusboyfiremelon.blogspot.com/2008/06/superman-2000-pitch-lois-lane-mrs.html

Pretty crazy, eh?

Crazy indeed. And the uprorar caused by OMD would be a sunny day in the park compared to what that would have caused. There are fans who would be happy, of course, but still it would have been a dramatic change in the status quo.

Thanx for this post, Timothy.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

After the events of "Final Crisis", I dont think Morrison is through yet with this idea. I fear Superman: Beyond is going to do precisly what Superman 2000 was going to do. I hope I'm proven wrong, but it looks like they just switched one concept (Superman's identity being made public), for another used in Spider-Man to further the OMD scenario (loved one getting hurt)

I dunno. I hope he makes Superman more powerful, but I'm not sure about the Lois thing...

[chriskenny]

When I saw Lois buried in that rubble, and knowing that Morrison's Superman Beyond is forthcoming, I couldn't help but think that this specific element of the 2000 proposal was going to explored.

I, for one, really like the 2000 proposal, and wish that it had its day in the son. I thought the Loeb and co. run was pretty dismal.

[ZT4]

When I saw Lois buried in that rubble, and knowing that Morrison's Superman Beyond is forthcoming, I couldn't help but think that this specific element of the 2000 proposal was going to explored.

I, for one, really like the 2000 proposal, and wish that it had its day in the son. I thought the Loeb and co. run was pretty dismal.

I'm sure it will eventually, Morrison could even apply it to another "All-Star" title (different continuity though).

[666MasterOfPuppets]

When I saw Lois buried in that rubble, and knowing that Morrison's Superman Beyond is forthcoming, I couldn't help but think that this specific element of the 2000 proposal was going to explored.

I, for one, really like the 2000 proposal, and wish that it had its day in the son. I thought the Loeb and co. run was pretty dismal.

I didn't read the whole Loeb run on Superman. However, the only thing I find regrettable from his work (at least from what I've read) is Supergirl.

I'm sure it will eventually, Morrison could even apply it to another "All-Star" title (different continuity though).

That's right. Morrison has plans to continue All-Star Superman beyond #12, if only for a few issues. Let's hope he changes his mind.

[TROUBLEZ]

Wow. I wish this story had really happened. The veggie thing is kind of silly, but the grand plan of Luthor and erasing the marriage...sounds like it could have been a great Superman story.

Dammit Mike Carlin! Why!!??

[666MasterOfPuppets]

And the "funny" thing is that I think I heard that the project actually had been greenlighted. Then someone (presumably Carlin) pulled the plug.