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12-15-2006, 01:32 PM
Precisely what are the Jin en mok? I've read Lucifer but I can't quite figure out what or how powerful they are...
Does anyone out there know?
12-15-2006, 02:13 PM
I don't think they're every completely explained. (though I'd have to go back and re-read some stuff to make sure)
They fall into the category of "Ancient and Powerful Evil": They can take on a demon like Mazikeen pretty easily, though I don't know if they'd be able to hurt Lucifer himself. (Maybe if they caught him by surprise?)
12-15-2006, 04:21 PM
Offhand, I remember their origin being pre-Creation. So yeah, "ancient evil" certainly works.
Berim, the Jin en Mok who most often took the form of a tiger, seemed the most prominent & formidable and he fought Lucifer himself. But that may have been during one of Lucifer's power "fluctuations," not sure if Berim could stand up to him if he was full-strength.
12-17-2006, 12:40 AM
Mazikeen defeated berim so I don't see them giving lucifer all that much trouble in a fight unless it was one of the times when he wasn't at full strength.
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12-17-2006, 08:31 AM
Hmm, interesting - there's no entryin Wikipedia on Jin en mok. Anyone care to write one?
12-17-2006, 12:02 PM
I think they were pretty well explained when they were first introduced. They're pre-Creation, they can assume whatever shapes they want to, and are like gods, but entirely mortal. The only thing I don't remember ever being explained is how they existed before Creation.
12-17-2006, 10:16 PM
Well yahweh said that even he was created by something and I don't think that the endless were created by yahweh so I would think whatever created them is responsible for the jin en mok.
07-19-2008, 03:06 AM
If you take away the "En Mok" part, you have "Jin". "Jinn" in Arabic were a species made of pure will and fire- this is where "Genie" comes from- though the Disney version clearly doesn't apply. According to the Quaran:
In the world there are three main creations, Angels, Humans and Jinns (other than various animals).
Angels: Angels are made from light (Noor-). In Islam they are known as the Light of God. They do not commit any sin nor disobey God and they always worship him.
Human: Humans are created from earth and are given free will to do good or bad in this life. Because of the free will they will be held accountable for their choices in this life on the Day of Judgement. Because of that free will, those who follow and obey God (Allah), will be rewarded with paradise/heaven.
Jinns: Jinns are also in the category of humans in the sense of free will. The only difference is that they are made of smokeless fire and therefore are not visible to humans. There are more jinns than humans in terms of population. Jinns have the power to fly and fit in to any space so they live in remote areas, mountains, seas, trees, and in the air in their own communities. We can't see them and they also can't see us clearly. Humans are only visible as a very blurry image to them, very few jinns are able to see humans like humans can see other humans. Like humans, Jinns will also be judged on judgment day and will be sent to heaven or hell according to the life they lead. Jinns can both Muslim and non-Muslim. The non-Muslim Jinns form part of an army or group and then are known as a shaitan (Iblis- the Arabic name for Satan, or more specifically in this case, Lucifer- and those angels who followed him became Jinn when they refused to bow before Allah- the Arabic word for Yahweh). Every person is assigned a special jinn to them, also called a qareen, they are the jinns what whisper into your soul and tell you to give into your evil desires.
Now, taking into consideration the author took some liberties with other areas of Abrahamic lore (pertaining to the Lilim, amongst other things), it isn't completely out of reason he wouldn't do the same with the Jinn. Perhaps "en mok" means something in Arabic, is the designation of a tribe, or something.
07-21-2008, 12:22 PM
I don't think anything can give Lucifer a fight when he had all his powers... except Michael and Yahweh himself
08-06-2008, 02:59 AM
Interesting aside mentioned in the one-shot "Lucifer: Nirvana" (included in the 'Evensong' trade). The Silk Man is said to have existed before creation, like the Jin En Mok, and was the founder of a group of sorcerers called the Arao Jin. It is said he is a deity from before creation (where the JEM come from), and survives by weaving into his body the body and souls of others; whereby both his mind and body are altered depending on the victim- not all that different from the Jin En Mok taking the forms of whatever they eat. So whatever they are- he may be/have been their equivalent of a god.
Also, Jack- One of the central themes of the book was that it was possible to create "creations" outside of the central one, and Yahweh himself admitted that, though eternal, he too was created by outside forces; so it's entirely plausible to assume that there were creatures living before the creation of the central "creation". Also, consider that Yahweh is only ONE of many deities within the various creations. It's a sometimes confusing element to the Sandman/Lucifer universe, since on the one hand it treats the Abrahamic tradition as the "truth", yet on the other has times where it is considered only one of many.
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