Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[Justin Carr]

No, they don't have a "No Bashing" policy there....... They just play favorites when it suits them. ;)

True. I realized that when an artist there created 'parodies' of Casstoons that were insulting to Batgirl fans and to the creators of Casstoons. The mods and admins did nothing, but jumped all over Drink when he tried to protest. Granted, Drink later admitted that he got carried away, but the artist kept egging him on by saying "But it's PARODY" to every point that Drink tried to make.

I only go there to support the Casstoons thread and the fans that it has made there.

[sk716]

At this point, I think you're fourth or fifthing it. :D

Eh. I'm not so good with numbers. :p

[Inkpot1965]

Dude I have contacts in the biz that would have made Rick a LOT of money, if he operated fairly.

But now I must use them for evil, and thus for the greater good. The pendulim swings in interesting ways doesn't it? :p

Woulda-coulda-shoulda. If anybody but Rick had owned TLE, it WOULD be making money right now.

[Darediva]

While on active duty, I was awarded two Meritorius Masts'. At the time my enlistment ended (and there's a funny story there too) , I had been a Corporal (E-4) with over 3 years time-in-grade, and had been turned away for E-5 twice.

Buddy, if you had been an E-4 with over three years time-in-grade, during the time you specify, you couldn't BUY your way to E-5. That might entail that funny story about your discharge.

Oh, and by the way, Meritorious Masts anyone?

http://www.expresscitations.com/Cert_Meritorious%20Mast.htm

Only $24.95, with free personalization. Or you can buy them blank. Reeeeeaaaaaaal official stuff.

Show me your DD-214, and I will show you mine. Cross out the stuff like your social security number and things like that. Just show us the form. All I'm sayin'.

[generaljackcosmo]

General JackCosmo would like them as 300DPI tiffs if you have a chance. He's going to give us a full page in all his upcoming diamond solicited titles, when they're next available.

I actually MIGHT have an opening in the book dropping in May (which is lettered in its entirety by Mr. Dave Rothe)...literally just found out about this, so if you guys can get me a 300dpi TIF by, say, this Thursday...I can run it for sure.

We can always resize it to our specs, but for the record, if you want to make it really easy for us, we'll need it at 6.625" X 10.25";)

p.s. I really like the full-color "Freelance doesn't mean free" ad, so that would be the first choice...

[TCJohnson]

Eh. I'm not so good with numbers. :p

Says the woman that does programs for websites....I see how it is.

[Koben Kelly]

The second movie is a '180' from the personality of the kid in Phantom Menace.

Uh... I was referring to the character in the film, Broken Glass... not Manakin Skywalker.

[Danny Donovan]

Manakin Skywalker.

hee. A CLERKS 2 reference.

I love that movie for the the sole reason that it reminded me of the name of my favorite Soul Asylum song, Misery.

I kept refering to it as "Frustrated Incorporated" since that is the hook. ah well. ;)

[MacQuarrie]

I actually MIGHT have an opening in the book dropping in May (which is lettered in its entirety by Mr. Dave Rothe)...literally just found out about this, so if you guys can get me a 300dpi TIF by, say, this Thursday...I can run it for sure.

We can always resize it to our specs, but for the record, if you want to make it really easy for us, we'll need it at 6.625" X 10.25";)

p.s. I really like the full-color "Freelance doesn't mean free" ad, so that would be the first choice...

You'll have it tomorrow. The files are at my office.

[Sarah Beach]

I can't say I'm impressed by the paramecium's service stories.

But then that might be because I've heard better - a friend, and son of friends, is an ex-Navy SEAL. He tried out for the SEALs right after high school. Even though he was a shorter, slight guy. He got all the way through the training (as guys were falling out left and right), and failed the final water test - due to hypothermia because of his low body mass. But the Navy liked him so much for the program, they asked him to bulk up a bit and do it again. Which he did, successfully. (They really wanted him!)

He did two tours active duty.

After that, he went to college. He did a year as a Senate intern (with Sen. Brownback). He was about to go into law school, when he got called up again (because ex-Navy SEALs are, I believe, permanent reservists), and he put in time as a sniper instructor. He's currently (I think, it's been a while since I got a "newsy" update) got a position at the Pentagon.

Now, admittedly, I know that many of his principles are based on his family upbringing. But he was happy-go-lucky when he graduated from high school, and once he got into the training, he came into very sharp focus, as an intelligent and competent and honorable young man. Who actually has not compulsion to tell stories on himself. Most of the stories I have of him are from his parents.

Paramecium, you're nothing to brag about. Shut up.

Oh, and as for the period stuff -- my (much) older sister's husband (she's the first born), served in Viet Nam, early days. He was an Air Force Commando - at a time when it was a big secret that they even existed. So secret that when he was in country, his family was told he was stationed in Thailand. But he doesn't make a big deal about his service or his (several) combat medals.

I'm sure there are many other folks around with outstanding service records, records that far outshine anything the paramecium has legitimate claim to. Except, of course, they don't have the need to blather about them.

Back to comics! The Unscrewed! Anthology continues to shape up as a very cool book! I'm honored to be working on it!

[Danny Donovan]

Back to comics! The Unscrewed! Anthology continues to shape up as a very cool book! I'm honored to be working on it!

Huzah!

Me too. lol.

[Koben Kelly]

hee. A CLERKS 2 reference.

Dude. I am a full-fledged View Askew bitch. I've been wearing my SNOOTCHIE BOOTCHIES bracelet since they gave it to me at WWC last year.

Of course, the obvious reason that Clerks 2 pwns, is ROSARIO. Ever since my pal, David Atchison, introduced us at last year's Heroes Con, I've been obsessed. The. Girl. Is.

F L A W L E S S.

Tell me you can watch Clerks 2 and not fall for her... I dares ya.

"My... shitty... acting... is... ruining... this... movie..." :D

[Koben Kelly]

I can't say I'm impressed by the paramecium's service stories. I'm sure there are many other folks around with outstanding service records, records that far outshine anything the paramecium has legitimate claim to. Except, of course, they don't have the need to blather about them.

Let me just say that if anyone is buying his Marine's Marine cowchips...

I've got a copy of Tales of the Spooky to sell you.

[DaveRothe]

I actually MIGHT have an opening in the book dropping in May (which is lettered in its entirety by Mr. Dave Rothe)...literally just found out about this, so if you guys can get me a 300dpi TIF by, say, this Thursday...I can run it for sure.

We can always resize it to our specs, but for the record, if you want to make it really easy for us, we'll need it at 6.625" X 10.25";)

p.s. I really like the full-color "Freelance doesn't mean free" ad, so that would be the first choice...

Dave Rothe? I know that guy!:D

[Danny Donovan]

Dude. I am a full-fledged View Askew bitch. I've been wearing my SNOOTCHIE BOOTCHIES bracelet since they gave it to me at WWC last year.

Of course, the obvious reason that Clerks 2 pwns, is ROSARIO. Ever since my pal, David Atchison, introduced us at last year's Heroes Con, I've been obsessed. The. Girl. Is.

F L A W L E S S.

Tell me you can watch Clerks 2 and not fall for her... I dares ya.

"My... shitty... acting... is... ruining... this... movie..." :D

http://www.screenfreeze.net/thinktank/comics/250_bounce.png

She is lovely. I hated missing her at Heroes, it used to be my "hometown con" but once I moved back to my REAL hometown of VA and some of the family issues I was dealing with at the time convention travel was the least of my thoughts. I do miss going to heroes. Maybe someday I'll head back. ;)

I met Kevin a few times briefly... Big View Askew fan. Not fan enough to sit through that Affleck movie. But I will watch Jay and Silent Bob strike back a billion times.

:p

I'm hoping she does well with her comic book Occult Task Force. And yay she's coming back for Sin City 2

[TheWraith]

Dave Rothe? He's a cool dude :)

[Danny Donovan]

Dave Rothe? I know that guy!:D

No you don't. You're thinking of David Allen Grier. He was HALARIOUS on In Living Color.

Who the hell is Dave Rothe? :p

Let me just say that if anyone is buying his Marine's Marine cowchips...

I've got a copy of Tales of the Spooky to sell you.

is my story in there? If so I need to adjust how much I'm owed. lol.

[Flamebird]

Hey Danny,

I just Pm'ed you over on the comicbloc.

I think you logged out while I was writing. :p

Anyway, I gave your thread 5 stars, just for the heck of it and so maybe people will read it.

[Danny Donovan]

Hey Danny,

I just Pm'ed you over on the comicbloc.

I think you logged oput while I was writing. :p

Anyway, I gave your thread 5 stars, just for the heck of it and so maybe people will read it.

Hey thanks!

Yeah I am zipping all over the place putting things up and getting more attention for unscrewed! (I even put that video thing over on Flixter, the myspace of movies or whatever that's supposed to be. lol.)

And working on things I should have done a million years ago. :)

I'll go check the PM now!

Thanks again!

[Flamebird]

eh, no biggie just more of my inane ramblings ;)

But at least all of the words are spelled right.

[Flamebird]

SO, who likes CANDLES?


http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o103/flamebird_2006/RIBBON02.jpg



I got a little sloppy with the image transfer, but then I haven't done this for a while. So what's everybody think?

I also made my own design, that I thought fit in with the look of the Unscrewed! website. Here's a preliminary pic on it. :

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o103/flamebird_2006/unscrewedcandle02.jpg

[Justin Carr]

I'm sure there are many other folks around with outstanding service records, records that far outshine anything the paramecium has legitimate claim to. Except, of course, they don't have the need to blather about them.

That's usually how military investigators find the people doing medal or service fraud, because those with real combat experience don't talk about it. Not because it's hush-hush, but because it's nothing 'cool' about it. They saw friends die, they killed people and they survived. Nothing more needs to be said or should be said. End of story.

[KevinTBrown]

True. I realized that when an artist there created 'parodies' of Casstoons that were insulting to Batgirl fans and to the creators of Casstoons. The mods and admins did nothing, but jumped all over Drink when he tried to protest. Granted, Drink later admitted that he got carried away, but the artist kept egging him on by saying "But it's PARODY" to every point that Drink tried to make.

I only go there to support the Casstoons thread and the fans that it has made there.

Tip of the iceberg, my firend, tip of the iceberg....

Just one the reasons I've not visited there in over 3 weeks. And I was among the first to sign up there when it GeoffJohns.com.

[Flamebird]

I've been going less and less, too.

The whole vibe over there has changed lately; and since I'm not part of the "in" crowd...

Ah, well. Glad I found this place. :D

[Cam63]

SO, who likes CANDLES?


http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o103/flamebird_2006/RIBBON02.jpg



I got a little sloppy with the image transfer, but then I haven't done this for a while. So what's everybody think?

I also made my own design, that I thought fit in with the look of the Unscrewed! website. Here's a preliminary pic on it. :

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o103/flamebird_2006/unscrewedcandle02.jpg

They're candle-rific, mate !

[Flamebird]

Thanks Cam. :)

Well, Getting tired and cranky, so I guess I'll grab a care bear and take nap, so SK doesn't yell at me. ;)


Be back later, I'm sure.

[KevinTBrown]

I've been going less and less, too.

The whole vibe over there has changed lately; and since I'm not part of the "in" crowd...

Ah, well. Glad I found this place. :D

Unless you're either a pro or a "horseman", forget it, you're nothing there. People I thought were my friends, people I've met in person and literally have had dinner with many times, are not friends after all. (Yeah, I'm a little bitter and hurt by that...)

But you're right, I'm glad I felt welcome here. There are some GREAT people on this site, YABS forum especially. :)

[Inkpot1965]

Dave Rothe? He's a cool dude :)

Yeah, he was the GOOD singer in Van Halen.

[Cam63]

Thanks Cam. :)

Well, Getting tired and cranky, so I guess I'll grab a care bear and take nap, so SK doesn't yell at me. ;)


Be back later, I'm sure.

Naps = good.

SK not yelling at you = even better.

[Inkpot1965]

Unless you're either a pro or a "horseman", forget it, you're nothing there. People I thought were my friends, people I've met in person and literally have had dinner with many times, are not friends after all. (Yeah, I'm a little bitter and hurt by that...)

But you're right, I'm glad I felt welcome here. There are some GREAT people on this site, YABS forum especially. :)

Yeah, some people get hooked on soap operas. I get hooked on the YABS threads.

[Gail Simone]

Unless you're either a pro or a "horseman", forget it, you're nothing there. People I thought were my friends, people I've met in person and literally have had dinner with many times, are not friends after all. (Yeah, I'm a little bitter and hurt by that...)

But you're right, I'm glad I felt welcome here. There are some GREAT people on this site, YABS forum especially. :)

What? Really?

I haven't seen anything but nice folks at the Comicbloc forums, honestly.

Weird.

Gail

[KevinTBrown]

What? Really?

I haven't seen anything but nice folks at the Comicbloc forums, honestly.

Weird.

Gail

Gail, you tend to stay within your own forum there.... You missed the whole "Judas Goat scandal" that occurred there recently. Things got way out of hand there and caused a bit of a problem.

Be that as it may, yes there nice people there, but...... well, just "but".

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Unless you're either a pro or a "horseman", forget it, you're nothing there. People I thought were my friends, people I've met in person and literally have had dinner with many times, are not friends after all. (Yeah, I'm a little bitter and hurt by that...)

But you're right, I'm glad I felt welcome here. There are some GREAT people on this site, YABS forum especially. :)

Am I not loved Kevin? NO!!!!!

JP

[KevinTBrown]

Am I not loved Kevin? NO!!!!!

JP

You're the most hated there..... :p





Um, who are you again..?

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

You're the most hated there..... :p





Um, who are you again..?

I don't know what hurts more...:(

There's just no love for the pants.

In all seriousness, the bloc is a little cliquey but all in all I find there's nice people there. I'm sorry you feel the way you do Kev. You were definitely a rock there.

JP

[TCJohnson]

Gail, you tend to stay within your own forum there....

That and Gail's weird memory that only remembers the positive about people and forget about the negative....which tells you a lot about Olney right there.

[Larkin]

Gail, you tend to stay within your own forum there.... You missed the whole "Judas Goat scandal" that occurred there recently. Things got way out of hand there and caused a bit of a problem.

Be that as it may, yes there nice people there, but...... well, just "but".

While I agree that Comicbloc has its cliques, so does every board, including this one. That's the beauty of the ignore button. I always thought you were one of the better posters over there.

Kevin, not sure if you saw this post concerning the end of Judas Goat, but you might want to check it out:

http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45634&highlight=judas+goat

I saw a couple of threads where he was replying and it was bad. What about the "scandal" pissed you off? Really, just wondering. PM me if you like, as to not derail the purpose of the thread---you know, that Olney is a deadbeat dick.

[KevinTBrown]

I'd rather not use this thread to air my differences with another MB.... I probably shouldn't have said anything as it is. I apologize to Gail for doing so.

[Larkin]

And I too, will not bring it up anymore. Sorry about that, everyone.

Now, has pRick lost any more court cases? Any updates?

[TCJohnson]

I always thought you were one of the better posters over there.

Just wanted to add I agree, even if we don't agree on our comics. :P

[TomStillwell]

Unless you're either a pro or a "horseman", forget it, you're nothing there. People I thought were my friends, people I've met in person and literally have had dinner with many times, are not friends after all. (Yeah, I'm a little bitter and hurt by that...)

But you're right, I'm glad I felt welcome here. There are some GREAT people on this site, YABS forum especially. :)

Hey, I'm a pro over there and no one pays me any attention. Don't feel bad.

[Papergirl]

Unless you're either a pro or a "horseman", forget it, you're nothing there. People I thought were my friends, people I've met in person and literally have had dinner with many times, are not friends after all. (Yeah, I'm a little bitter and hurt by that...)

But you're right, I'm glad I felt welcome here. There are some GREAT people on this site, YABS forum especially. :)
I've had the same exact experience at another site, so I understand. The people here are way different, though, which is why I've stayed here nearly 10 years. :)

~Bev

[DungeonmasterJim]

Having gone three days without internet access I'm a little late here on some of the subjects. That said, I like that Olney found that former ORCA member's personal info and ORCA sign up sheet or whatever it was in like 20 minutes and freely posted it here. Then his own personal Skywalker Ranch letter which almost sounds like it should be framed on his wall for all visitors to see or at least he has stated enough times for most posters to know has to go through his lawyer before anyone can see it.

LOL!


DM Jim

[TonyIsabella]

Here's the latest note I posted on my message board, on ComicSpace, and on MySpace.

This actually arrived a few days ago, but I was bringing joy to others, living my life, and working...all things alien to the ignorant, impotent, and laughable creature that is Rick Olney.

His ignorance manifests itself in many ways; in this case, it's his abject stupidity when it comes to the law and his delusional belief that he can somehow scare me. The former makes it clear that he doesn't have legal representation - real lawyers guffaw loudly when they read his threats - and the latter, well, if he hadn't already been handed his ass in several lawsuits and if he had ever actually sued anyone, I might be worried.

Oh, who am I kidding? Olney is vile, but he's of no consequence. I can't imagine a scenario in which he would scare me even a little.

That's the prologue. Here's the threat:



Mr. Isabella,

You have said far to many things in your agenda of hate against me. It
was YOU that began this diatribe here. If anyone is unscrupulous,
sir... it is you. Again, for the benefit of this news gathering
community stop your spam attacks here against me. Unscrewed has the
potential of being a great resource for anyone needing its services,
but libel and smear tactics won't gain you all anything but the tag
name of being a hate group.

I also wanted to take this opportunity to thank you publicly for
divulging the names of those composing this hate group publicly. This
will information will help my attornies. Hopefully, now, you and your
cronies will no longer spam this egroup.

Sincerely,
Rick Olney
TightLip Entertainment

The group he refers to his Super Hero News where, in response to any attempt he makes to publicize his various ventures, I post my personal warning that he is not someone anyone wants to get involved with and direct folks to this website:

http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/

It's a site where comics fans and pros, some who have had bad experiences with Olney and some who are simply standing up for what's right, have joined forces to help those Olney has hurt and to warn others away from him. It's where you will find the facts - not Olney's blatant fiction - and see how many respected industry figures stand against him.

I recommend you visit UNSCREWED regularly for news of how good people are creating something very cool and of the Vile One's past, present, and sure-to-come defeats in the legal arena.

Tony Isabella

[Papergirl]

Sounds like the Dickless Deadbeat could use a nap and a Care Bear, as well.

~Bev

[Sarah Beach]

Yay, Tony!

One of the sad jokes about the paramecium, is that he is the one spamming the news group. Okay, my post might have been a bit over the line - but I did do preliminary hype for the Unscrewed! Anthology. Perhaps Joanne should not have posted. But the rest -- Himself babbling at length as if to drown out everything else. His are the truly annoying posts there.

His implied "concern" for Unscrewed! is also laughable. He says it like people should read it as genuine admiration for the endeavor -- well, except that he's also gleefully pouncing on the list of names who have signed the Unscrewed! letter of support. And it's hilarious that he thinks the signatories of the letter are necessarily directly engaged in the website! Heh. Doofus! They signed a statement in support of our aims. Not the same as being actively engaged in it. Yes, some are, but signing the letter doesn't guarantee active engagement.

Ijit. Bleh.

[Papergirl]

...but libel and smear tactics won't gain you all anything but the tag name of being a hate group.

1.) IT'S NOT LIBEL IF IT'S TRUE, MORON.

2.) We ADMIT that we hate dickless deadbeats that actively try to hurt kids by not paying their parents so they can put FOOD on the damned table! No secret there!

:evilsmile

~Bev

[TomStillwell]

Guys, I need a bit of help with the auction.

We've been very fortunate to have some amazing folks come forward to donate. Three successful waves worth of items is a testament to that fact.

Unfortunately Wave Four will have to wait a bit. I simply don't have enough items. I know there are some things in the mail as we speak, so hopefully they'll reach me in time.

It's a busy time for many creators so stuff is slowly coming in.

Here's where I need help. I think I've done pretty well knowing absolutely no one in comics and being a wet behind the ears newbie in contacting people working in the industry. But can only do so much. There are some people that aren't accessible to me.

I'm asking pros and fans alike to help gather donations. If you know someone who you'd think would like to donate, please send them my way.

My e-mail address is zapow@earthlink.net.

Thanks for your help.

[Tegan]

Show me your DD-214, and I will show you mine. Cross out the stuff like your social security number and things like that. Just show us the form. All I'm sayin'.

Ah, someone else who thought Olney's "war stories" didn't pass the smell test.

You know, most people I would give the benefit of the doubt on military service. But someone like Olney, yeah. Show us your discharge papers or I'm just going to continue to believe you are lying, Olney. Military service is far too honorable to be insulted by your insistence that you were part of it. Proof, Olney. It should be simple enough to produce. If you are ex-military, your papers are your proof, and you have them handy.

I've never been in the military, but there are enough veterans in my family that even I know that little fact.

It's strange. Olney could so easily demolish all his detractors just by providing a little proof. A lawyer's name. A DD-214. An employee that's been paid. He goes on and on about libel, but proof would be so easy to produce... if he weren't lying through his teeth.

[TonyIsabella]

This made me giggle. It's the header for my public bulletin on ComicSpace and the header for the very next bulletin that was posted.



Mar 26th, 2007...11:39 AM...Talking Dick

Mar 26th, 2007...11:35 AM...Another ignorant and impotent threat from Rick Olney



Tony

[Papergirl]

Ah, someone else who thought Olney's "war stories" didn't pass the smell test.

You know, most people I would give the benefit of the doubt on military service. But someone like Olney, yeah. Show us your discharge papers or I'm just going to continue to believe you are lying, Olney. Military service is far too honorable to be insulted by your insistence that you were part of it. Proof, Olney. It should be simple enough to produce. If you are ex-military, your papers are your proof, and you have them handy.

I've never been in the military, but there are enough veterans in my family that even I know that little fact.

It's strange. Olney could so easily demolish all his detractors just by providing a little proof. A lawyer's name. A DD-214. An employee that's been paid. He goes on and on about libel, but proof would be so easy to produce... if he weren't lying through his teeth.
I've been asking him for a while now to answer these two VERY simple questions that ANY Marine knows the answer to:

1.) What is the name of the book EVERY Marine recieves and what is the color of the cover?

2.) WHAT is a DD-214? I don't even care if he provides his own info. I just want to see if HE knows *what* it is.

Needless to say, the Dickless Deadbeat has yet to answer my questions correctly.

~Bev

[Papergirl]

This made me giggle. It's the header for my public bulletin on ComicSpace and the header for the very next bulletin that was posted.



Tony
HA! Nice one, Tony! :D

~Bev

[TonyIsabella]

Tom...can someone work up a brief press release soliciting auction items? If they do, I'll post it on some of my professional mailing lists and also on my message board.

Tony

[TonyIsabella]

The same press release could also be sent to Newsarama, the Pulse, CBGXtra, etc.

Tony

[singoalla]

I've been asking him for a while now to answer these two VERY simple questions that ANY Marine knows the answer to:

1.) What is the name of the book EVERY Marine recieves and what is the color of the cover?

2.) WHAT is a DD-214? I don't even care if he provides his own info. I just want to see if HE knows *what* it is.

Needless to say, the Dickless Deadbeat has yet to answer my questions correctly.

~Bev

*hops up and down raising a hand* Oh me! me! I know! I know!

Well, I think I know. It's not a tertiary colour anyways :D

[Evan Waters]

1.) What is the name of the book EVERY Marine recieves and what is the color of the cover?

MRS. DALLOWAY by Virginia Woolf. The cover is beige.

[the4thpip]

This made me giggle. It's the header for my public bulletin on ComicSpace and the header for the very next bulletin that was posted.



Tony
Of course, some people don't consider "dick" to be a bad thing. :D


Talking dick however... :confused:

[TomStillwell]

Tom...can someone work up a brief press release soliciting auction items? If they do, I'll post it on some of my professional mailing lists and also on my message board.

Tony

I aim to please. Courtesy of the talented MacQuarrie.

Dear Comics Pro,

We'd like to ask you to help some of your fellow creators get UNSCREWED!

As you know, people working their way up the ranks in comics or other creative endeavors soon become acquainted with the phrase “Paying Your Dues”. Too often, paying your dues means not getting paid. Maybe you have a "war story" of your own: working on projects that never paid out, publishers who vanish like thieves in the night, or other, even worse horrors. If so, then you know the wrenching feeling of having been exploited and having nothing to show for your time and effort.

Many of your fellow artists and writers found themselves so victimized by a would-be publisher who commissioned work from them and then refused to pay for it; when they went public with their stories, the "publisher" threatened them with legal action. Most of them are up-and-coming new talent without the financial resources to either seek legal redress or absorb the loss of pay. Some have medical bills to pay, children to feed, or other pressing needs which depended on getting a check for the work they did in good faith, checks that never came. It is estimated that this individual owes more than 20 artists and writers payments totaling somewhere between $60,000 and $100,000. There are numerous other stories of fraud and theft involving canceled conventions, unreimbursed expenses, charity auctions in which the proceeds never reached the organizations for which they were held, and many other examples of illegal and unethical conduct.

Fortunately, there is some hope. A number of comics creators and fans have joined together to fight back against the perpetrator and to raise awareness of his actions and those of others like him. In addition, we are attempting to raise money to provide relief for the creators who were cheated; in essence to undo the screwing they got, to "unscrew" them. We are doing this through two distinct projects, both of which are explained in more detail at the Unscrewed! website: The Unscrewed! Anthology and the Unscrewed! Auctions.

The Anthology is a black & white comic comprised of original work by a number of artists and writers, including some of the people it is intended to benefit. We are still accepting submissions for the anthology. The theme is "the little guy", stories of just desserts.

The Auctions are being conducted via eBay and include many unique and exciting items including signed scripts and books, original art and much more, from a variety of well-known comics professionals.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZzapow21

The following comics professionals have committed to donate items to the UNSCREWED! Auctions: Kurt Busiek, Tony Isabella, Mark Waid, Larry Dixon, Mercedes Lackey, Troy Hickman, Colleen Doran, Taki Soma. Paul D. Storrie, James Owen, Scott Shaw!, Nat Gertler & About Comics, Lance Boucher, Timothy J. Tobolski, Jim Taylor, Nicola Scott, Tom Beland, Jamal Igle, Gail Simone, Nicola Scott, Marv Wolfman, Karen Ellis, Cully Hamner, Craig Kemper, Jim MacQuarrie, Chuck Satterlee, Marc Andreyko, Paul Smith, Billy Tucci, Chris Moreno, Peter David, Sean McKeever, Paul Dini, Lea Hernandez, Tim Seeley, Brian Crowley, Ron Marz, Ben Templesmith, and Chuck Dixon.

Paul Smith has created a two-page original story for the anthology, and we've also received commitments from Barbara Kesel, Jim Taylor & Jeff Austin, Chuck Dixon & Drew Garaci, Tim Tobolski, Jim MacQuarrie, Rich Stahnke, Scott McClung, Blake Petit, Tom Waltz, and Wil Radcliffe, with more on the way.

Which brings us to the purpose of this letter: There is still time for YOU to contribute to the cause. You can still contribute a short story to the anthology or donate items for the auctions. Every penny of the proceeds will go to people who had their work stolen and were deprived of income, in some cases for months at a time. Please consider donating something.

For more information concerning this project, visit http://www.unscrewedcomic.com for details and how YOU can join in the battle for accountability.

With sincere thanks,

The Unscrewed! project

[Tegan]

I've been asking him for a while now to answer these two VERY simple questions that ANY Marine knows the answer to:

1.) What is the name of the book EVERY Marine recieves and what is the color of the cover?

I confess I don't know this one. No one in my family was in the Marines (Navy, Army, Air Force, but no Marines).

2.) WHAT is a DD-214? I don't even care if he provides his own info. I just want to see if HE knows *what* it is.

ANYONE who has been in the military knows what that is. And their families know too. That's not even a hard one.

[Blake Petit]

Tom...can someone work up a brief press release soliciting auction items? If they do, I'll post it on some of my professional mailing lists and also on my message board.

Tony

I was thinking the same thing, Tony. I'd be sure it got play on Comixtreme and anywhere else I had a hand in things.

[TomStillwell]

I was thinking the same thing, Tony. I'd be sure it got play on Comixtreme and anywhere else I had a hand in things.

<<points upwards>>

Pass it around, Dudes and Dudettes.

[KevinTBrown]

ANYONE who has been in the military knows what that is. And their families know too. That's not even a hard one.

Well, for Olney it is apparently. He's been doing seaches online, but keeps going to www.Yahpp.com and www.Goggle.com.....

:rolleyes:

[DaveRothe]

Well, for Olney it is apparently. He's been doing seaches online, but keeps going to www.Yahpp.com and www.Goggle.com.....

:rolleyes:

Dammit Kevin I can't get my Goggle and Yahpp to work now!!! Guess I'll go over to Aks Jeeves...

[SteveForbes]

<<points upwards>>

Pass it around, Dudes and Dudettes.


Hey Tom.

Someone sure loves them some Nicola Scott...

She's on there twice.

AGAIN! ;)

-(notices such things) llama

[TomStillwell]

Hey Tom.

Someone sure loves them some Nicola Scott...

She's on there twice.

AGAIN! ;)

-(notices such things) llama

Old letter. Same mistake. Nicola still awesome.

[rummblestrips]

Yep, he's at it again. This time at his blog on Yahoo. Very strange


Okay, with all this stuff going on about me...
I took the test! Now its your turn! The Dante's Inferno Test has banished you to the Second Level of Hell, but don't look for "Gail Simone", Tony Isabella, Kurt Busiek, Coleen Doran, Scott Shaw, Mark Waid, or other professional trolls there because they have space booked on Level 8!
Here is how you matched up against all the levels:
Level Score
Purgatory (Repenting Believers) Very High
Level 1 - Limbo (Virtuous Non-Believers) Very Low
Level 2 (Lustful) Very High
Level 3 (Gluttonous) Moderate
Level 4 (Prodigal and Avaricious) Low
Level 5 (Wrathful and Gloomy) High
Level 6 - The City of Dis (Heretics) Very Low
Level 7 (Violent) Moderate
Level 8- the Malebolge (Fraudulent, Malicious, Panderers) Moderate
Level 9 - Cocytus (Treacherous) Low

Take the Dante Inferno Hell Test

[Blake Petit]

I thought Goggle.com was a scuba site...

[illustrationelectric]

.....if any of you have seen this but I found it funny. It's from a 2003 interview with Rick Ollie-uuhhhhh--I mean that other guy.

“As a youngster, I had been a comic book reader since somewhere between the ages of five and six. My reading habits then as a child expanded my word power and reading comprehension,” Rick said, reflecting back on what comic books did for him as a child. Comic books helped him achieve a 12th grade reading level when he was in the 5th grade.

The thlink to whole thing is here.

http://www.geocities.com/silva_shado/comicbookarticle03.htm

[Linkara]

Well, there's reading at that level and then there's writing at that level. ^_~ I can read and understand pretty complex texts, it doesn't mean I can write them.

[TheWraith]

Olney's clearly insane.

[illustrationelectric]

Well, there's reading at that level and then there's writing at that level. ^_~ I can read and understand pretty complex texts, it doesn't mean I can write them.

It was "word power" that got me

[Sarah Beach]

It was "word power" that got me

Ah! But that's from Reader's Digest and their "Increase Your Word Power" feature!

But I think he's fibbing. He doesn't have a 12th grade reading comprehension now. (Prove it, paramecium! Tell us the difference between "recant" and "recount" -- or "tort" and "retort".)

As for the circles of hell quiz -- which you all realize is one of those short list blogthing quizes, of course -- I think he fibbed on that too. "Repentant believer"??? I don't think so! Nevermind his supposed score on "fraudulent". I'm betting he took it a few times to get his best results -- or rather the results that he felt made the best picture. Pfft. I'm not impressed.

[illustrationelectric]

Ah! But that's from Reader's Digest and their "Increase Your Word Power" feature!

But I think he's fibbing. He doesn't have a 12th grade reading comprehension now. (Prove it, paramecium! Tell us the difference between "recant" and "recount" -- or "tort" and "retort".)

As for the circles of hell quiz -- which you all realize is one of those short list blogthing quizes, of course -- I think he fibbed on that too. "Repentant believer"??? I don't think so! Nevermind his supposed score on "fraudulent". I'm betting he took it a few times to get his best results -- or rather the results that he felt made the best picture. Pfft. I'm not impressed.

You can actually re-use torts?!

[Matt Doc Martin]

Well, my faith in humanity takes yet another slide backwards:

I sent this out to Hot Wheels guy:

---------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Matthew
Date: Mar 18, 2007 5:36 PM


Seeing as you are a MySpace "friend" of his and a listed guest....

About Rick Olney and "Might Mini Con":

If he asks you to do work or appear at his "con", MAKE SURE TO GET PAYMENT UP FRONT!! That includes airfare, food, and the like.


Read here for the story on Rick Olney paying NO ONE for work done.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=156451

Read here to see how he treats those he owes and former creators that appeared at his 2003 con., along with comments about Mark Waid and Kurt Busiek.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=156451

If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact me. I will also provide details about him being investigated for charity fraud for ripping off St Judes Children's Research Hospital.

That's right...he is being investigated for taking money from kids with cancer.

And please feel free to spread the word.

-Matt Martin
Karma's Little Helper


Got this back:
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Mike Zarnock
Date: Mar 24, 2007 10:41 AM


Matt,
Thank you for the concern.
This seems to be turning into quite the dilemma for me. I'm a bit perplexed about this situation.
I really can't believe that there are also 1525 pages on this one site alone about Mr. Olny.

then me again:

Well, I don't want your situation to add to it.

Don't want to wade through 1500 pages?

Try just one page:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=4478122&posted=1#post4478122

or

www.unscrewedcomic.com

The man is unhinged at best. And again, there is NO evidence he has ever paid anyone. He lost 1 court case in default (he didn't show yup) and seems to think a judge will overturn it. The law doesn't work that way.

Gail Simone is a former guest f his who has been called a "token" and that was one of his nicer terms for her.

If you go and are not paid and stay silent, you will not hear from him again. If you ask for your money, he will make excuses. If you demand your money, he will threaten you legally (but toothlessly). If you go public, he will attack you like he did Gail Simone, Tim Tobnloski, Chuck Dixon and others that once believed him but never again.

I am trying to warn people so that they do not have it all happen to them.

What questions can I answer? How can I help you?

Let me know, sir.

If nothing else, thanks for listening

RE: RE: RE: Rick Olney and his 2007 MMC
Body: Oh, I am listening.... LOL

Me again:

May I ask you if you have signed anything? What he has promised you?

The man is insane at best. And he is facing VERY real legal trouble.

I know the 1500+ page thread is daunting, but the other sites I gave you give a smaller snapshot.


I implore you to reconsider your participation.

What do you need to know to back out of this? I'd feel good knowing I helped save another creator. (I have already convinced two others to back out. ) Granted, being IN NEw York will save you travel expenses and such. But I would be SHOCKED if he paid you your appearance fees IN ADVANCE. Have you asked for that? I'd be interested to hear his response.

Ask me anything. I don't want to see another person taken for a ride by Olney.


And lastly him.
Mr. Martin,
Thanks again for your interest and concern. Mr. Olny and I have agreed to the terms of the deal and so far are current. I am bound to appear as agreed upon until there is a reason to nullify the deal. As of yet, there is no reason for nullification.
As for any other situations, I too prefer not to get mixed up in any mess what so ever. I make many appearances across the country and do many charity affairs when I am able. I would not appreciate nor stand for my good name and any of the others that I deal with being tarnished or abused in any way, shape or form for being a part of Mr. Olny's show.
I have agreed to participate in Mr. Olny's show and therefore must fulfill my obligation as stated.
Please make that known to all those that are in question.
Respectfully,
Michael Zarnock


If you know what someone is like and you ignore it and go on anyway...you are as bad as he is. This is why I hate people.

Anyhow..I am getting ready to go away for a few days.

Keep it real.

[Gail Simone]

Look, the Hot Wheels gentleman seems like a perfectly nice guy. He made an agreement before he knew all the facts about Rick, and now he feels obligated to keep his word.

I TOTALLY understand that and wish him only the best. I don't think it's necessary to continue to email someone after they've made their choice. Maybe this gentleman will be one of the exceptions and will be treated well and Rick will keep his word for once, as unlikely as that sounds.

All we can do is warn people of Rick's history. If they choose to ignore it, I believe it is a mistake to continue trying to convince them of the truth of Rick's history with non-payment and deceit.

Sometimes people have to learn for themselves.

Best,

Gail

[Danny Donovan]

I got this e-mail today.



NO PERMISSIONS GRANTED

To all/each concerned:

Kindly be advised that Rick Olney and TightLip Entertainment, as sole
copyright owners of the characters depicted on the two attached
images, is NOT GIVING PERMISSION for the characters, KID MUMMY, VLAD
TEPIS, EAGLE, ANCHOR, and GLOBE to be displayed or used in ANY fashion
in print or online.

Any action taken in the (illegal) use of characters belonging and
copyright protected to/by Rick Olney and TightLip Entertainment will
result in legal consequences against the persons/parties involved.


Thank you.


--
Best Regards,
~Rick

Rick Olney
TightLip Entertainment
www.mightyminicon.com
"Lux Mentis, Lux Orbis"
----------------------------------------------------------
IMPORTANT WARNING: This email (and any attachments) is only intended
for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed, and may
contain information that is privileged and confidential. You, the
recipient, are obligated to maintain it in a safe, secure and
confidential manner. Unauthorized redisclosure or failure to maintain
confidentiality may subject you to federal and state penalties. If you
are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify us by return
email, and delete this message from your computer.
----------------------------------------------------------

[Linkara]

CURSES!

*Rips up his drawings of Eagle and Kid Mummy* Oh, well. I guess my free advertising for Tightlip in my comic and fanart is just never going to happen! :p

[JTPencils]

I got this e-mail today.

Danny, I got mine too!!! Woo hoo!!!

My response....

"Mr Olney,

Clearly, you are mistaken. I have no sway or influence over what is used for promotional materials for Unscrewed! Though I support their goal, and have submitted work for them in various endeavors, I have no control over what is used by the Unscrewed! editors for promotional or informational purposes.

I will, however, state, that since the artwork in question was never actually paid for, the use of it is open to interpretation. I also would like to point out that the characters (or specifically, the depictions of the characters in question regarding these images), are not the sole copyright of Rick Olney and TIghtLip Entertainment. As has been previously promoted by you on your website, and subsequent other publications, these characters are copyright of Rick Olney AND their respective artist/creators.

I will also remind you that you are now in arrears for the payment on aforementioned artwork, as well as subsequent art pieces, and that my hand was forced in initiating legal proceedings.

Any further communications should be forwarded through your attorney to me. Any other responses, emails, phone calls, or personal communication attempts, will be thusly ignored.

J Taylor
Wet Inc Studio"

[Darediva]

Kindly be advised that Rick Olney and TightLip Entertainment, as sole
copyright owners of the characters depicted on the two attached
images, is NOT GIVING PERMISSION for the characters, KID MUMMY, VLAD
TEPIS, EAGLE, ANCHOR, and GLOBE to be displayed or used in ANY fashion
in print or online.

I thought those characters belonged also to Jim Taylor, according to the wording on the character sheets?

[Danny Donovan]

CURSES!

*Rips up his drawings of Eagle and Kid Mummy* Oh, well. I guess my free advertising for Tightlip in my comic and fanart is just never going to happen! :p


I was gonna respond but I'm just going to let Mac do it. He's one of the sharp legal cheeses. I would have taken 4 pages to say what Mac could in a few paragraphs

But nowhere on the piece do the words "Kid Mummy" appear. And you cannot copyright a mummy. It's a public domain monster. Vlad the Vampire, again, cannot be copywritten because well Vlad the Impaler (who was the inspiration for Dracula) was a real person. and Vampire is a generic term, and Dracula is a public domain character.

The other arguement is, that he owns nothing unless he pays for the artwork. Oddly enough he e-mailed that only to Me, Jim Taylor, Cesar, um Reb I think... But not Mac, or Tom, or anyone that acutally PRODUCED the work.

I just handed it out. And telling ME about it now, ain't going to do a hell of a lot of good. The pieces are already out there.

I find it odd that he sent that TODAY after I just posted the pieces on my website. Am I being stalked now?

[Guapo Méndez]

Look, the Hot Wheels gentleman seems like a perfectly nice guy. He made an agreement before he knew all the facts about Rick, and now he feels obligated to keep his word.

I TOTALLY understand that and wish him only the best. I don't think it's necessary to continue to email someone after they've made their choice. Maybe this gentleman will be one of the exceptions and will be treated well and Rick will keep his word for once, as unlikely as that sounds.

All we can do is warn people of Rick's history. If they choose to ignore it, I believe it is a mistake to continue trying to convince them of the truth of Rick's history with non-payment and deceit.

Sometimes people have to learn for themselves.

Best,

Gail

Maybe Rick is paying this guy.

[JTPencils]

I thought those characters belonged also to Jim Taylor, according to the wording on the character sheets?

They are... but loopy thought he could give and take the copyright away like it was some sort of birthday present. "Today? You're a good boy? Not giving me any guff? OK, you're co-creator. What? You disagree? Want to be paid? Dare to question me? THAT'S IT!!! You're no longer co-creator. It's mine I tell you... mine... Mine... MINE!!" He could give Daffy Duck a run for his money on being a "greedy miser" as far as that's concerned.

But yeah, they're mine. No matter what blubber mouth spouts off. Until he pays me for them. They're mine too.

[Danny Donovan]

I thought those characters belonged also to Jim Taylor, according to the wording on the character sheets?

That was a liberal trick by that crumb catcher Jeff Austin!

He wanted to help his "buddy" by giving him a piece of sure fire MEDIA DARLINGS like Freedom 3.

:p

[Linkara]

Yeah, I considered commenting on the legality of that statement, be it in the artwork part, the ida of not being able to reproduce imagery for fanart of some kind, or simply that he was e-mailing the wrong person, but I stand by my ripped up pieces of paper that exist in the same dimensional plane as Rick's Magic Fish.

[Gail Simone]

The main question is...

...who would want any part of Rick's shitty, unoriginal ripped-off creations?

Does anyone really WANT one of Rick's many Mary Sue's?

Gail

[JTPencils]

The other arguement is, that he owns nothing unless he pays for the artwork. Oddly enough he e-mailed that only to Me, Jim Taylor, Cesar, um Reb I think... But not Mac, or Tom, or anyone that acutally PRODUCED the work.


Just for clarification...

Yep... he sent it to Danny, Cesar, Jeff, Jimmy T, and me....

See? I think we need a sequel to the "Dirty Dozen". But that's just me.

[Sarah Beach]

Rock on, JT! I like the way you worded your response!

Heh. Yeah, he had all weekend to know this was coming.

If he really wants to claim that those specific images are indeed his, he's going to have to prove he's paid for the work!

There's no statements on those ads at all identifying the names of the "characters". So... in the black & white one, all I see is some guy holding onto the head of a mummy. Gee, how specific is that?!? (read: not very). The other one? Any truly identifying features of the character designs aren't even visible, being covered by the text.

And if Jim wants to use the work this way, paramecium, it's his right. Nothing in those ads reflects directly on your so-called trademarked characters. If you really think so, PROVE YOUR RIGHTS LEGALLY, DOOFUS. Your saying so ain't going to cut it. Submit it to the courts for judgement if it's that big a deal to you.

As for Hot Wheels Guy -- I agree with Gail. He makes appearances at various places, and contracted for this one before really knowing. Harping at him doesn't help. He seems bemusedly aware that he might be stuck with a lemon, but he has to proceed in good faith. (So Matt, just because it didn't work out the way you'd like to see, no reason to go off your faith in human beings. He was actually pretty gracious to you in your earnestness. I think you definitely did given him an appreciated heads up. It's just his own sense of honor has him committed - for now. No fault to him.)

[Danny Donovan]

The main question is...

...who would want any part of Rick's shitty, unoriginal ripped-off creations?

Does anyone really WANT one of Rick's many Mary Sue's?

Gail

I dunno.. The mummy one might be cool if you strip it of the "Kid" part, and rework it a bit. But then again I am a fan of egyptian lore.. I have my very own copy of The Book Of The Dead! (not the one from the movie.. darn it!)

Remember what bugs bunny said. "Monsters is the most interesting peoples."

With the right mind behind it you could do something cool. But then again it has Rick behind it... soooo....

[Danny Donovan]

Dear Mr. Olney,

We are in receipt of your letter, quoted above. You seem to be woefully unaware of the principles of US and International Copyright Law as defined by the Berne Convention.

Neither you nor TightLip Entertainment are in fact the copyright-owners for the artwork displayed in our recent advertisements. The color illustration of a group of costumed heroes is the legal property of Jim Taylor and Jeff Austin and is used with their permission. The black-line illustration of a bearded man and a person with bandaged face is the property of Cesar Feliciano, and is also used with his permission.

A thorough search of the United States Patent & Trademark Office database at www.uspto.gov (http://www.uspto.gov/) failed to turn up any evidence that any of the names you listed are registered trademarks. Even if they were registered, our usage of the artwork in question does not infringe on your rights as defined in the Lanham Act.

Since names and titles cannot be copyrighted, and your alleged trademarks are unenforceable, we maintain that our usage of the art in question is not in any way illegal. Under US Copyright Law, our usage is consistent with the "fair use" exclusions for journalistic and critical commentary purposes. Under trademark law, we are not using any trademarks in a manner that creates confusion of brand or that implies an association or endorsement of or by your company.

As an advocacy group for exploited artists, we believe that we are entirely within the bounds of US and International Intellectual Property rights law. As such, we do not foresee any changes to our current ads as a result of your invalid claims.

Thank you for your interest in UNSCREWED!'s efforts.

Best,

James MacQuarrie
on behalf of UNSCREWED!
www.unscrewedcomic.com (http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/)

mac attacks back... uh jack.

:p

[JTPencils]

Rock on, JT! I like the way you worded your response!

Heh. Yeah, he had all weekend to know this was coming.

If he really wants to claim that those specific images are indeed his, he's going to have to prove he's paid for the work!

There's no statements on those ads at all identifying the names of the "characters". So... in the black & white one, all I see is some guy holding onto the head of a mummy. Gee, how specific is that?!? (read: not very). The other one? Any truly identifying features of the character designs aren't even visible, being covered by the text.

And if Jim wants to use the work this way, paramecium, it's his right. Nothing in those ads reflects directly on your so-called trademarked characters. If you really think so, PROVE YOUR RIGHTS LEGALLY, DOOFUS. Your saying so ain't going to cut it. Submit it to the courts for judgement if it's that big a deal to you.

As for Hot Wheels Guy -- I agree with Gail. He makes appearances at various places, and contracted for this one before really knowing. Harping at him doesn't help. He seems bemusedly aware that he might be stuck with a lemon, but he has to proceed in good faith. (So Matt, just because it didn't work out the way you'd like to see, no reason to go off your faith in human beings. He was actually pretty gracious to you in your earnestness. I think you definitely did given him an appreciated heads up. It's just his own sense of honor has him committed - for now. No fault to him.)

Thanks Sarah, sometimes the right words just spring to mind. But I'm still no writer.

Until he pays, those images are NOT his to demand, threaten, or suggest as far as their usage. Besides... I really don't have any sway over how it's used by Unscrewed! for informational purposes, right?

[Danny Donovan]

Thanks Sarah, sometimes the right words just spring to mind. But I'm still no writer.

Until he pays, those images are NOT his to demand, threaten, or suggest as far as their usage. Besides... I really don't have any sway over how it's used by Unscrewed! for informational purposes, right?

No you don't pencil monkey!!!!!!!!!!!

lol.

Just kiddin'.

[Sarah Beach]

Woohoo, Mac! That rocks!

Thanks for posting it here, Danny!

[Danny Donovan]

Woohoo, Mac! That rocks!

Thanks for posting it here, Danny!

Yay! zoidberg got attention by default!

you're welcome Sarah!

[JTPencils]

mac attacks back... uh jack.

:p

Ouch! Here I thought I hit him back fairly well. Mac knocked it outta the ball park!!

Oh, and in case there's any question, I DO give permission to use my art. So there!

Thing is... I know I won't get a response back from Pukee (which is a blessing really)... because he'll be spending most of the evening having to look up most of those words in Mac's response!

[Blake Petit]

Thank you for your interest in UNSCREWED!'s efforts.

Best

For some reason, this phrase just makes me want to wet myself laughing. :D

[Sarah Beach]

Thanks Sarah, sometimes the right words just spring to mind. But I'm still no writer.

Until he pays, those images are NOT his to demand, threaten, or suggest as far as their usage. Besides... I really don't have any sway over how it's used by Unscrewed! for informational purposes, right?

Heh! Well, Jim.... seeing as how we are actually supportive of artists and writers, we (ie, editors and publicists for Unscrewed!) would be willing to listen to your concerns about usage.

:D

[TomStillwell]

Well, my faith in humanity takes yet another slide backwards:

I sent this out to Hot Wheels guy:



Got this back:


then me again:





Me again:



And lastly him.


If you know what someone is like and you ignore it and go on anyway...you are as bad as he is. This is why I hate people.

Anyhow..I am getting ready to go away for a few days.

Keep it real.

Matt, don't feel bad. He gave me the carbon copy responses to my e-mails too. Exactly the same.

We can only warn him. He'll have to live with his choice.

[TomStillwell]

Rock on, JT! I like the way you worded your response!

Heh. Yeah, he had all weekend to know this was coming.

If he really wants to claim that those specific images are indeed his, he's going to have to prove he's paid for the work!

There's no statements on those ads at all identifying the names of the "characters". So... in the black & white one, all I see is some guy holding onto the head of a mummy. Gee, how specific is that?!? (read: not very). The other one? Any truly identifying features of the character designs aren't even visible, being covered by the text.

And if Jim wants to use the work this way, paramecium, it's his right. Nothing in those ads reflects directly on your so-called trademarked characters. If you really think so, PROVE YOUR RIGHTS LEGALLY, DOOFUS. Your saying so ain't going to cut it. Submit it to the courts for judgement if it's that big a deal to you.

As for Hot Wheels Guy -- I agree with Gail. He makes appearances at various places, and contracted for this one before really knowing. Harping at him doesn't help. He seems bemusedly aware that he might be stuck with a lemon, but he has to proceed in good faith. (So Matt, just because it didn't work out the way you'd like to see, no reason to go off your faith in human beings. He was actually pretty gracious to you in your earnestness. I think you definitely did given him an appreciated heads up. It's just his own sense of honor has him committed - for now. No fault to him.)

Two points.

Rick, letters threatening legal action hold a lot more weight when coming from ACTUAL LAWYERS, not some chimp who uses Ally McBeal re-runs as research.

There is one slight problem with Mike Zarnock's story. When I contacted him originally he hadn't signed a contract with Rick. He didn't even have a verbal agreement and was surprised to find out that he had been listed as a guest.

He signed a contract with Rick AFTER we warned him. AFTER knowing that he was signing on to be at a guest at a convention thrown by a racist scam artist. After reading a bunch of what's out there on Rick.

Honoring your word is a fine thing. Honoring your word to a deplorable excuse for a human being...not so much.

[Paul Smith]

I'm sure there are many other folks around with outstanding service records, records that far outshine anything the paramecium has legitimate claim to. Except, of course, they don't have the need to blather about them.

I was close to 40 years old before I found out my Father was at Pearl Harbor. My model for Wolverine, a Green Beret, still won't talk about his time in Vietnam.

[Paul Smith]

Oh, yeah, let's leave Mr. Zarnock alone. He's never screwed any of us.

[JTPencils]

Oh, yeah, let's leave Mr. Zarnock alone. He's never screwed any of us.

I would agree with Paul. One can only warn someone to not put their hand in the fire... if they insist on doing so anyhow... you can only sit back and watch as they get burned. You offer assistance afterwards, and in a calm fashion... remind them... "tried to warn ya!".

Until then, he's a grown man, and can make his own decisions... right or wrong... that's his to make.

[Draconomicon]

For some reason, this phrase just makes me want to wet myself laughing. :D

Because it was professionally written and shows how levelheaded the people behind Unscrewed are, while his responses and mails seem barely intelligible

[TonyIsabella]

Just to give another reason why Unscrewed and organizations like it are so needed in this industry...

DC listed me as sole creator of Black Lightning throughout the character's first series and for a long time thereafter.

When I tried to dissolve our partnership by buying back their interest in Black Lightning, the "created by" credit line started including Trevor Von Eeden.

Now I would have had no objection to that per se - Trevor did co-create the original costume - but I created the character as a joint ownership thing and what he did was work-for-hire.

So it's not just the Rick Olneys of this world that pull this kind of crap.

Unfortunately, at the present time, the Olneys are the ones we have some chance of stopping. Ain't too many folks, fans or pros, willing to take on, say, DC or Marvel or Dark Horse.

Of the three, Marvel is the only one that is currently paying me when my stories are reprinted. DC doesn't reprint my stories, but the last Lightning money I saw from them was when Mattel (?) did that action figure several years back. They never paid me for the HeroClix BL and I'm not optimistic that they'll be paying me for the new action figure.

It's not just the Rick Olneys.

Tony

[Gail Simone]

Just to give another reason why Unscrewed and organizations like it are so needed in this industry...

DC listed me as sole creator of Black Lightning throughout the character's first series and for a long time thereafter.

When I tried to dissolve our partnership by buying back their interest in Black Lightning, the "created by" credit line started including Trevor Von Eeden.

Now I would have had no objection to that per se - Trevor did co-create the original costume - but I created the character as a joint ownership thing and what he did was work-for-hire.

So it's not just the Rick Olneys of this world that pull this kind of crap.

Unfortunately, at the present time, the Olneys are the ones we have some chance of stopping. Ain't too many folks, fans or pros, willing to take on, say, DC or Marvel or Dark Horse.

Of the three, Marvel is the only one that is currently paying me when my stories are reprinted. DC doesn't reprint my stories, but the last Lightning money I saw from them was when Mattel (?) did that action figure several years back. They never paid me for the HeroClix BL and I'm not optimistic that they'll be paying me for the new action figure.

It's not just the Rick Olneys.

Tony



No, it isn't. But most people do seem to get paid for this stuff, even people who haven't worked for dc in a long time. With your permission, I'll ask around about this.

Gail

[MacQuarrie]

They are... but loopy thought he could give and take the copyright away like it was some sort of birthday present. "Today? You're a good boy? Not giving me any guff? OK, you're co-creator. What? You disagree? Want to be paid? Dare to question me? THAT'S IT!!! You're no longer co-creator. It's mine I tell you... mine... Mine... MINE!!" He could give Daffy Duck a run for his money on being a "greedy miser" as far as that's concerned.

But yeah, they're mine. No matter what blubber mouth spouts off. Until he pays me for them. They're mine too.

Even after he pays for them, they remain yours.

(Colleen, Nat, Kurt, feel free to correct me or add your comments if I miss anything.)

Remember, each piece of art has (at least) three different sets of rights attached, all of which are the inherent property of the artist, unless a work-for-hire agreement is in place. (You didn't sign one of those, did you?)

There's the actual ownership of the original.
There's reproduction rights.
There's commercial exploitation rights.

Standard policy in the comic world these days has it that the original art (the actual board with the real ink and pencil on it) remains the property of the artist unless and until sold. This is separate from any other rights.

Depending on what Rick paid you and what the terms of the contract are, he MAY have the right of first reproduction, or right of exclusive reproduction, or reproduction rights for a specified period of time or number of uses. This means he may be able to print your art in the format for which it was intended and created: comics. He may also have some limited right to use the work for purposes of promoting the comic.

Unless specified and compensated, he may not legally commercially exploit your art for other ancillary purposes, such as t-shirts, posters, coloring books, coffee mugs, animated films, video games, etc. and so forth. That's your third set of rights.

Until he makes with a check, Rick owns NOTHING.

None of his alleged trademarks will stand up to a courtroom challenge, even if he managed to get them past the very sharp people at the USPTO. None of them are unique or specific enough to warrant protection, and a number of them are derived from public domain sources.

[MacQuarrie]

As for Hot Wheels Guy -- I agree with Gail. He makes appearances at various places, and contracted for this one before really knowing. Harping at him doesn't help. He seems bemusedly aware that he might be stuck with a lemon, but he has to proceed in good faith. (So Matt, just because it didn't work out the way you'd like to see, no reason to go off your faith in human beings. He was actually pretty gracious to you in your earnestness. I think you definitely did given him an appreciated heads up. It's just his own sense of honor has him committed - for now. No fault to him.)
If you ask me, Hot Wheels Guy is displaying exactly the sort of integrity and honor that we are demanding of Olney and others like him. Let's not punish the guy for being honest and keeping his word.

Beside which, the MMC is sure to be canceled anyway, so the point is moot.

[Magneto_X]

But you're right, I'm glad I felt welcome here. There are some GREAT people on this site, YABS forum especially. :)

CBR's always been cool like that.

Even among non-comic forums CBR has yet to be beat in quality in either posters and/or ettiquite (sp?).

(The only comic forum who comes close is Jinxworld.)

[MacQuarrie]

By the way, I didn't e-mail my response to Olney. I don't have his e-mail address. If anyone who received this e-mail from him wants to send him my letter, feel free. I'll also send it to him when I get home, and maybe even by mail too.

[MacQuarrie]

urg. Stupid double post. Move along. nothing to see here.

[TonyIsabella]

No, it isn't. But most people do seem to get paid for this stuff, even people who haven't worked for dc in a long time. With your permission, I'll ask around about this.

Gail

Thanks, Gail, but it's not like DC isn't aware it hasn't sent me checks. I write the company each and every time something comes out they're supposed to pay me for. I'm happy DC does relatively right by many creators, but I'm not one of them and don't really expect that to change unless something dramatic happens with the property.

Tony

P.S. I also have contacted Dark Horse about stories I worked on that have been reprinted. I'll let you know what happens there.

[Inkpot1965]

I got this e-mail today.

Yes, Danny. I got one to. This is getting funny. A cyber cease-and-desist. And I had nothing to do with the flyers. Heh, heh....Can't wait for Rick to respond to my e-mail back to him.

[Inkpot1965]

That was a liberal trick by that crumb catcher Jeff Austin!

He wanted to help his "buddy" by giving him a piece of sure fire MEDIA DARLINGS like Freedom 3.

:p

Yeah, yeah. All of those copyrights were approved by Rick, except one, which got corrected quickly. So if they're out there, it's on Rick's head.

Also, those images don't say WHO the characters are. They just show the costumes that WE designed and never got paid for. So where is Rick's legal right to them?

[Danny Donovan]

Yes, Danny. I got one to. This is getting funny. A cyber cease-and-desist. And I had nothing to do with the flyers. Heh, heh....Can't wait for Rick to respond to my e-mail back to him.

Did anyone download that attachment he sent? I don't know if he just enclosed the ads that have been EVERYWHERE (I know, I did a lot of damn footwork to get that kind of exposure) or if he added something else to the attachement?

I didn't trust it not to be a virus enough to download it.

Yeah, yeah. All of those copyrights were approved by Rick, except one, which got corrected quickly. So if they're out there, it's on Rick's head.

Also, those images don't say WHO the characters are. They just show the costumes that WE designed and never got paid for. So where is Rick's legal right to them?

exactly the point stressed in Mac's e-mail.

[TomStillwell]

Yeah, yeah. All of those copyrights were approved by Rick, except one, which got corrected quickly. So if they're out there, it's on Rick's head.

Also, those images don't say WHO the characters are. They just show the costumes that WE designed and never got paid for. So where is Rick's legal right to them?

Jeff, the civil lawyers told him that they are his. It's out of his hands. What can he do but follow the every whim and fancy of his all powerful lawyers?

He wants soooo badly to pay people and to provide evidence of his claims. BUT THOSE BASTARD LAWYERS WON'T LET HIM!!!

It's funny. Usually when I pay people for a service they do as I tell them and not the other way around.

[Inkpot1965]

Did anyone download that attachment he sent? I don't know if he just enclosed the ads that have been EVERYWHERE (I know, I did a lot of damn footwork to get that kind of exposure) or if he added something else to the attachement?

I didn't trust it not to be a virus enough to download it.



exactly the point stressed in Mac's e-mail.

The downloads were the two flyers in question.

[DaveRothe]

Thanks, Gail, but it's not like DC isn't aware it hasn't sent me checks. I write the company each and every time something comes out they're supposed to pay me for. I'm happy DC does relatively right by many creators, but I'm not one of them and don't really expect that to change unless something dramatic happens with the property.

Tony

P.S. I also have contacted Dark Horse about stories I worked on that have been reprinted. I'll let you know what happens there.

Hey Tony. Sorry to hear about this. I hate hearing about any creator not getting his due when he has put forth the time and the work. Hopefully they will make good on their end of the business and pay. I know that don't mean squat when you have bills and nothing to pay them with. Hopefully Unscrewed will continue on and be able to help those who need it.

[Inkpot1965]

Jeff, the civil lawyers told him that they are his. It's out of his hands. What can he do but follow the every whim and fancy of his all powerful lawyers?

You mean Bubba, down at the liquor store, who's seen every episode of Matlock?

[KevinTBrown]

Thanks, Gail, but it's not like DC isn't aware it hasn't sent me checks. I write the company each and every time something comes out they're supposed to pay me for. I'm happy DC does relatively right by many creators, but I'm not one of them and don't really expect that to change unless something dramatic happens with the property.

Tony

P.S. I also have contacted Dark Horse about stories I worked on that have been reprinted. I'll let you know what happens there.

So when do we start up the "DC -- Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?" thread? :)

Seriously, that stinks, Tony. I'd like to think that they're corrected such "errors", but that's obviously not the case.....

[TCJohnson]

Thanks, Gail, but it's not like DC isn't aware it hasn't sent me checks. I write the company each and every time something comes out they're supposed to pay me for. I'm happy DC does relatively right by many creators, but I'm not one of them and don't really expect that to change unless something dramatic happens with the property.

Tony

P.S. I also have contacted Dark Horse about stories I worked on that have been reprinted. I'll let you know what happens there.

Have you ever thought of hiring a lawyer?

I know it is none of my business and should drop it, but knowing this stuff goes on annoys me.

[holeycrullers]

Rick Olney shot my pa!

[Danny Donovan]

Tony, I'm sorry that's still going on.

I am hopeful that it'll change soon. DC seems to be getting better these days.

I live in hope!

[TomStillwell]

Rick Olney shot my pa!

Yer pa had et comin', Hickman!!! Thet wuz no way ta treat a goat an' ya knows et!!!

[wishlish]

Thanks, Gail, but it's not like DC isn't aware it hasn't sent me checks. I write the company each and every time something comes out they're supposed to pay me for. I'm happy DC does relatively right by many creators, but I'm not one of them and don't really expect that to change unless something dramatic happens with the property.

Tony

P.S. I also have contacted Dark Horse about stories I worked on that have been reprinted. I'll let you know what happens there.

Tony, I don't mean to pry, and you can tell me to shut up and go away.

But...

do you get royalties for the Essential Defenders and other such works from Marvel?

It's weird. You get royalties (and you should!), but Kirby's estate doesn't get royalties for the various Masterworks and Omnibus reprints.

Very strange. But I'm very glad a small part of my purchase went your way. I collect the Essential, Masterwork, and Omnibus series, and want the creators to get paid, too.

[TonyIsabella]

Tony, I'm sorry that's still going on.

I am hopeful that it'll change soon. DC seems to be getting better these days.

I live in hope!

For some, DC might be getting better. But, by no means, is it getting better for all and, for some, it's getting worse. I don't want to go into details, but, given the past few years, it's hard to imagine how it could get any worse for me personally.

The same might be said for Marvel and other outfits. Marvel has paid me for reprints in a timely fashion, but that may not be the case with everyone who used to write for them.

Olney is a good first step. His conduct is clearly vile and, despite his legal nonsense, he's incapable of spinning it otherwise. Since he hasn't paid so many people, no one risks any future income by working to shut him down.

That wouldn't be the case with any of the major companies. People depend on the paychecks they get from them. The screwing isn't universal as it is with Olney. For every freelancer that's happy with how they are currently being treated by Big Company A, there's at least one unhappy with their treatment. I compare notes with a couple of fairly big names on a regular basis. Creator A gets the love from Company B and screwed by Company C while it's the reverse for Creator D. It's the nature of the beast.

It's why, when I speak to aspiring creators, I caution them against being too loyal to a company. Because, most of the time, the company doesn't feel a similar loyalty towards them.

For that matter, the fans are far more loyal to companies than they are to the people who actually create their favorite comics and the families of the creators. Look how many shitheads villified the Siegel family for exercising their rights.

Going after anyone bigger than an Olney, as much as I'd love that, is not something I expect to see in my lifetime.

Tony

P.S. Someone asked if I hired a lawyer re: Black Lightning. Yes, I have and the bottom line is that suing DC would be very costly. I have a son starting college in the fall and a daughter three years behind him. I don't make the big bucks from my writing, so I have to make tough decisions about how to spend my not-big bucks. Spending it on my kids instead of a lawsuit wasn't one of those tough decisions.

Now that could change if something happened with Black Lightning that made
the end payoff more attractive to a law firm. But, even then, I'd have to be conscious of what physical and mental price a lawsuit would require from me.

If I had my druthers, as I've said many times before, I would spend the rest of my life happily writing Black Lightning. All I ever wanted from DC Comics was for the company to honor its agreements with me. It hasn't done that. It's never been willing to even discuss honoring them.

And that will be last comments on Black Lightning in this thread. Better to keep the eye on the attainable prize:

Shutting down Olney.

[Danny Donovan]

want the creators to get paid, too.

I want one of those tiny ponies.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1126/smallhorse02xj7.jpg

Oh I'm sorry, I thought we were having sharing time. back to my shame closet. :p

[TonyIsabella]

Tony, I don't mean to pry, and you can tell me to shut up and go away.

But...

do you get royalties for the Essential Defenders and other such works from Marvel?

It's weird. You get royalties (and you should!), but Kirby's estate doesn't get royalties for the various Masterworks and Omnibus reprints.

Very strange. But I'm very glad a small part of my purchase went your way. I collect the Essential, Masterwork, and Omnibus series, and want the creators to get paid, too.

Yes, I do get royalties (rather than a straight per page reprint fee) whenever Marvel reprints my stories. I know the Kirby estate doesn't. I don't know if my estate would get royalties after I kick the bucket. To be honest, I don't know what Marvel does with all other writers and writers, though

In my case, they have consistently paid me in a timely fashion. I know that is also the case for the handful of other former folks I've talked to do about this. But I don't get around to many conventions these days, which limits how many creators I can discuss this with.

I have been told DC does not pay royalties on the Showcase editions, but I have never had that confirmed one way or the other.

Tony

[Danny Donovan]

Going after anyone bigger than an Olney, as much as I'd love that, is not something I expect to see in my lifetime.

As I said, I live in hope. My hope is that this is going to be a small step to something bigger. Much in the same way, I'm sure when the screenwriters got unionized things began to change, I hope it happens in your life time, I'm willing to see Unscrewed! become something on par with the Hero Initiative and the CBDLF in terms of it's presence in the industry.

I think if we're successful here, show a major force, we could be on the cusp of great change in creators rights.

[THEDOC]

Well I do hope DC changes and yes RO is a first step.

Found this on a Betti Page blog on Myspace and thought I'd add a little laughter to the thread.

orcafresh™, a Marine's Marine!:eek: :eek: :eek:

[TonyIsabella]

One more thing before I turn in.

I don't see how Olney can believe he owns work he hasn't paid for.

Tony

[Danny Donovan]

Well I do hope DC changes and yes RO is a first step.

Found this on a Betti Page blog on Myspace and thought I'd add a little laughter to the thread.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I got him beat:

"Danny Donovan™ Writer at large, Shameless self promoter, and distinguished member of the GREEN LANTERN CORPS HONOR GUARD!"

I also added a photo in my pictures of the GLC with the caption "recognize anyone?"

:p

[Flamebird]

I want one of those tiny ponies.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1126/smallhorse02xj7.jpg

Oh I'm sorry, I thought we were having sharing time. back to my shame closet. :p



Yeah, those things are great slow roasted with BBQ sauce. :rolleyes:

[wishlish]

Yes, I do get royalties (rather than a straight per page reprint fee) whenever Marvel reprints my stories. I know the Kirby estate doesn't. I don't know if my estate would get royalties after I kick the bucket. To be honest, I don't know what Marvel does with all other writers and writers, though

In my case, they have consistently paid me in a timely fashion. I know that is also the case for the handful of other former folks I've talked to do about this. But I don't get around to many conventions these days, which limits how many creators I can discuss this with.

I have been told DC does not pay royalties on the Showcase editions, but I have never had that confirmed one way or the other.

Tony

Forgive me if I have kind of a two-faced stance on this, but while I can sort of understand Marvel's policy of not paying estates on most creators...it's Kirby, the guy who created more than half their stuff! Argh.

Tony, there's an interesting book out called "Alan Moore's Exit Interview". He talks about his frustrations with DC, and names names. You're in good company in re to DC. It's a shame; it wouldn't be hard for them to fix relationships with you and him, but what can you do?

[Danny Donovan]

Forgive me if I have kind of a two-faced stance on this, but while I can sort of understand Marvel's policy of not paying estates on most creators...it's Kirby, the guy who created more than half their stuff! Argh.

They don't have to give Kirby anything legally. Morally yes, but as the legend goes, before his exit to DC in the 1970s he was asked to sign a document waiving certain rights to a lot of his work.

He did so, went to DC and faired little better there. Not much, but somewhat.

[MacQuarrie]

I want one of those tiny ponies.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1126/smallhorse02xj7.jpg

Oh I'm sorry, I thought we were having sharing time. back to my shame closet. :p

I want one of these tiny cows: http://www.monkeyspit.net/sites/bonsaicow/

[Gail Simone]

I keep hearing how no one will go on the record about the Black Lightning thing, which I don't get, because I have several times, and in fact refused to use the character when asked for quite a long time (until Tony graciously gave his kind consent for an appearance). He's one of my favorites. Same deal with Blade over at Marvel, another one of my favorites, where it seems very unfair how the creator has not benefitted.

I want to see creators paid fairly as per their agreements in all cases, and I've always felt that BL is a potential icon character, one of the few created since the silver age.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Wow, the Mohawk Valley Comic Club is up to a WHOPPING EIGHT MEMBERS!

Jesus, someone STOP THE JUGGERNAUT THAT IS RICK OLNEY'S SUCCESS MACHINE!

Gail

[MacQuarrie]

I sent Dickless my letter. Anyone taking odds on whether he'll reply?

[holeycrullers]

If I had my druthers, as I've said many times before, I would spend the rest of my life happily writing Black Lightning.

I'd spend the rest of my life happily reading that...

[holeycrullers]

I sent Dickless my letter. Anyone taking odds on whether he'll reply?

Please tell me you addressed it to "Mr. Dickless"...

[MacQuarrie]

Please tell me you addressed it to "Mr. Dickless"...

Nope. I was pure business. Mr. Olney even.

That drives him nuts.

[Danny Donovan]

I keep hearing how no one will go on the record about the Black Lightning thing, which I don't get, because I have several times, and in fact refused to use the character when asked for quite a long time (until Tony graciously gave his kind consent for an appearance). He's one of my favorites. Same deal with Blade over at Marvel, another one of my favorites, where it seems very unfair how the creator has not benefitted.

I want to see creators paid fairly as per their agreements in all cases, and I've always felt that BL is a potential icon character, one of the few created since the silver age.

Gail

Gail,

There is a brief discussion about BL and Tony's work in the 70s in the book

"Black Super-heroes, Milestone Comics, And Their Fans"
by: Jeffery A. Brown. ISBN: 1-57806-282-9

It is an interesting read as a whole, Tony's part is mostly at the begining of the book... It's been a while since I read it but if you wanted to get a little more insight of what was going on at the time, it's worth a read.



Wow, the Mohawk Valley Comic Club is up to a WHOPPING EIGHT MEMBERS!

Jesus, someone STOP THE JUGGERNAUT THAT IS RICK OLNEY'S SUCCESS MACHINE!

Gail


That makes me think of this:

http://theslackerz.com/comic/028.jpg

[Koben Kelly]

http://www.screenfreeze.net/thinktank/comics/250_bounce.png
She is lovely.

The high-point of my life was hearing her squeal with delight when I told her my favorite role she's played was Naturelle in 25th Hour. I've got that moment playing on permanent loop in my mind. *sigh*

I'm hoping she does well with her comic book Occult Task Force.

She and David recently sold the film rights to it for a tidy sum. He actually asked me for advice on suggestions for who should portray the characters in the movie. I was at a loss as to who should play her part... if not her.

Actually, can you send me a pdf via e-mail of that strip so I can send it to David and Rosario? I know they'll get a big kick out of it.

Origato.

[Flamebird]

No one liked my candles?? :(


WAAAAAAHHH!!!!!



*Sniff*

[Koben Kelly]

No one liked my candles?? :( *Sniff*

There, there, Birdie... I liked 'em. Maybe you could make some up and donate them to Unscrewed! to sell at cons?

[JTPencils]

Awwwwwwwww........ no reply to my response to the Vile One. Now that's a shocker!!

Amazes me though that HE can get an email to me when he feels "wronged", yet his two leaggle teams can't seem to contact me (though I've been "warned" they would).l

[Gail Simone]

No one liked my candles?? :(


WAAAAAAHHH!!!!!



*Sniff*

I liked 'em!

I was actually trying to figure a way to have them at convention appearances but I doubt the con organizers would allow it...

Gail

[JoeK32880]

I've already told Mr. Isabella that I've eben reading a lot of his old Marvel work in essentials format and I'm happy to find out he's getting paid for it.

[TonyIsabella]

I keep hearing how no one will go on the record about the Black Lightning thing, which I don't get, because I have several times, and in fact refused to use the character when asked for quite a long time (until Tony graciously gave his kind consent for an appearance). He's one of my favorites. Same deal with Blade over at Marvel, another one of my favorites, where it seems very unfair how the creator has not benefitted.

I want to see creators paid fairly as per their agreements in all cases, and I've always felt that BL is a potential icon character, one of the few created since the silver age.

Gail

Gail...

I don't think I've ever said "no one" will go on record about this, though you're one of the few. I've thanked you in the past and I thank you again now.

Way back when, DC editor Darren Vincenzo even hired me and Eddy to do a BL story - 'Twas the Night Before Kwanzaa - for a DC Christmas special. He was the last DC editor to give me work, the only one ever to break ranks after I was fired from the second series. He left DC shortly thereafter. The special's first run was mostly pulped for poor reproduction reasons and, for a while, it looked like there wasn't going to be a second run.

The Black Lightning story was said to be the problem, though the techniques Eddy and I used were the same we used on Black Lightning #5.

My memory is shaky on this, but I recall a DC freelancer once called the BL situation "a bad political situation" on an online forum. I'm not naming him because I can't recall if he called it that in that public forum or in a private note to me.

Of course, Dwayne McDuffie has said in public that DC refused to let Static Shock and Justice League Unlimited use the character.

If I think about it more - I have to get breakfast and lunch for my kids right now - I might be able to squeeze another name or two out of my brain. And there were a few freelancers who spoke out against the situation privately, And several DC editors who told one of my best friends that it was wrong for me to have been fired and to be blackballed, but none of them ever gave me any work. Currently, there is one DC editor (not DCU) who has expressed a willingness to look at a pitch from me.

I wanted my previous BL post to be the last in this thread. I only wanted to make the point that Olney, though appallingly unique in many ways, isn't the only publisher who screws creators.

I responded to your post because I certainly don't want you to take offense at a comment I don't believe I made. A few folks who work or have worked for DC have spoken publically. You're one of them.

The few. The proud. The...

Say, Gail, were you ever a Marine?

The teenagers are hungry. I must feed them.

Tony

[TonyIsabella]

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[TonyIsabella]

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[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Awwwwwwwww........ no reply to my response to the Vile One. Now that's a shocker!!

Amazes me though that HE can get an email to me when he feels "wronged", yet his two leaggle teams can't seem to contact me (though I've been "warned" they would).l

Maybe the leaggle teams are busy formulating their stragedy and working hard to find the answers on Ally McBeal.

JP

[Danny Donovan]

Actually, can you send me a pdf via e-mail of that strip so I can send it to David and Rosario? I know they'll get a big kick out of it.



PDF eh? But, I'm no super genius... or are I? hmmmmm...:p

I'll see what I can do!

[DaveRothe]

Maybe the leaggle teams are busy formulating their stragedy and working hard to find the answers on Ally McBeal.

JP

"I got it!" shouts the loyer from Rick's Leaggle team. "We'll use the Dancing Baby Defense!":D

[Flamebird]

There, there, Birdie... I liked 'em. Maybe you could make some up and donate them to Unscrewed! to sell at cons?

Heh,Donovan was right! Shameless self promotion, with the occasional self-pity party, gets 'em every time. ;)

Actually, donating some to Unscrewed was kind of what I was thinking about; if people actually liked 'em.


I liked 'em!

I was actually trying to figure a way to have them at convention appearances but I doubt the con organizers would allow it...

Gail

They probably wouldn't mind as long as you didn't light them. :rolleyes:
Giant building full of people and paper, not so good a place to start fires.

I'm hoping to bring a few to cape; but I have a different one in mind to give you. (i'll try to post a pic later).
I already made one For Larry and Mercedes.

GEEZ, I better get to go!

[Kozemp]

Oh, yeah, let's leave Mr. Zarnock alone. He's never screwed any of us.

Speak for yourself. Fucker stole my Hot Wheels when I wasn't looking.

Curse you, Mike Zarnock!

<shakes fist>

JLK
I miss the red one

[KevinTBrown]

No one liked my candles?? :(


WAAAAAAHHH!!!!!



*Sniff*

I liked 'em!

I was actually trying to figure a way to have them at convention appearances but I doubt the con organizers would allow it...

Gail
As long as they'e not lit, it shouldn't be a problem. I've been at other types of "conventions" where they sold candles or had them on display with no problem.

[Cam63]

I liked 'em!

I was actually trying to figure a way to have them at convention appearances but I doubt the con organizers would allow it...

Gail

Arrange for a blackout and announce it's just as well you brought candles ?

[EdContradictory]

triplicate post

See, CBR won't let you stop posting in this thread!

[Flamebird]

Arrange for a blackout and announce it's just as well you brought candles ?

BRILLIANT!


Give that man a Beer! :)

[Sarah Beach]

Flamebird, I liked your candles too! Particularly your original one.

I've just been distracted from the thread. There's this work thing I get paid for. ;)

[TomStillwell]

Flamebird, I liked your candles too! Particularly your original one.

I've just been distracted from the thread. There's this work thing I get paid for. ;)

Your employer pays you?! What a revolutionary idea! Paying your employees.

Huh...think it will catch on?

[Sean_Jackson]

Your employer pays you?! What a revolutionary idea! Paying your employees.

Huh...think it will catch on?

Only after the NDA's are signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, lost, found again, queried, subjected to public inquiry, lost and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighter.

Which is probably the closest description to the way Olney works, minus the actual payment part at the end.

[the heckler]

only way youll get money from him is to wait for him in an alleyway and take his wallet and even then all you would get is maybe a link card, a coupon to steak and shake and maybe some fries he had smuggled in his pocket

[Inkpot1965]

only way youll get money from him is to wait for him in an alleyway and take his wallet and even then all you would get is maybe a link card, a coupon to steak and shake and maybe some fries he had smuggled in his pocket

That's IF he hasn't blown his allowance on beer

[singoalla]

That's IF he hasn't blown his allowance on beer

I thought we were talking about Olney, not Cam...

[TomStillwell]

Two things, folks.

One, if you won something at the auction and everything was to your liking, please drop some positive feedback on me to help strengthen my ratings on e-Bay. Building a reputation on there is important to the auction.

Two, some people may not be interested in the auctions but still want to donate to the cause. You totally can! Contact Papergirl for details.

Thanks.

[CutterMike]

Note: Most of my friends know to FEAR that phrase, when it comes from me - FAIR WARNING, PEOPLE!

I was thinking about the anthology, and was wondering what was involved in getting the Code sticker? Does a publisher have to be a paid-up member of the guild, so to speak, or is it a case of paying a flat fee to have it looked at?

This, of course begs the question of whether the NAME, itself, would make it ineligible - and I have no idea whether the writers and artists are going "all-ages" or "adult" in their contributions...

Now, I will admit that I could be completely off-base, here, and I certainly don't want to keep the creators from telling their stories in the ways that they want to. It was simply that, as often happens, I was working and all of my brain except the part controlling my drawing hand started free-wheeling. and it was just a thought that spun itself out of my subconscious.

It just seemed to me that, if we're talking about producing stories about how the little guy can stick it to the person who thinks (s)he's the Big Guy (with apologies to Frank Miller, et al.), it would make sense to position it in such a way that EVERYONE could read it and get the message. Also, at one point (although that's probably changed), having the Code stamp was perceived as a sign that the publisher was a legitimate operation.

Comments, anyone?

[Danny Donovan]

Note: Most of my friends know to FEAR that phrase, when it comes from me - FAIR WARNING, PEOPLE!

I was thinking about the anthology, and was wondering what was involved in getting the Code sticker? Does a publisher have to be a paid-up member of the guild, so to speak, or is it a case of paying a flat fee to have it looked at?

This, of course begs the question of whether the NAME, itself, would make it ineligible - and I have no idea whether the writers and artists are going "all-ages" or "adult" in their contributions...

Now, I will admit that I could be completely off-base, here, and I certainly don't want to keep the creators from telling their stories in the ways that they want to. It was simply that, as often happens, I was working and all of my brain except the part controlling my drawing hand started free-wheeling. and it was just a thought that spun itself out of my subconscious.

It just seemed to me that, if we're talking about producing stories about how the little guy can stick it to the person who thinks (s)he's the Big Guy (with apologies to Frank Miller, et al.), it would make sense to position it in such a way that EVERYONE could read it and get the message. Also, at one point (although that's probably changed), having the Code stamp was perceived as a sign that the publisher was a legitimate operation.

Comments, anyone?

Are you talking about The Comics Code Authority? As far as I know that's long since been defanged since Marvel left in 2000, now it's mostly like the British Aristocracy. It's visible in some places, but really just for show, no real power.

We're really looking toward going further than just the comic industry with this so the only code I hope we're looking into is an ISBN.. As far as I'm aware we have no "mature content" in but I guess that's really for Sarah and them to decide.

But I don't really forsee us going to the CCA or there actually being a reason to anymore in this day and age.

[NatGertler]

The Comic Code bears little weight anywhere you're likely to distribute this book (or many other places, for that matter.) The publisher has to be a member of the CMAA to put the stamp on their book, and yes, that costs money.
And if the theme of the book is "how the little guy can stick it to the person who thinks (s)he's the Big Guy", it should be remembered that the code was designed by big guys aiming to stick it to a littler guy -- EC Comics. Significant portions of the original code seem to have been designed specifically to thwart EC.
There is one seal which the book could qualify for:
http://licensablebeartm.com/images/sealofapproval.jpg

[The Shadow]

... I have nothing to add to any discussion in this thread... I just wanted to participate.

Thanks for your time.

[Danny Donovan]

The Comic Code bears little weight anywhere you're likely to distribute this book (or many other places, for that matter.) The publisher has to be a member of the CMAA to put the stamp on their book, and yes, that costs money.
And if the theme of the book is "how the little guy can stick it to the person who thinks (s)he's the Big Guy", it should be remembered that the code was designed by big guys aiming to stick it to a littler guy -- EC Comics. Significant portions of the original code seem to have been designed specifically to thwart EC.
There is one seal which the book could qualify for:
http://licensablebeartm.com/images/sealofapproval.jpg

Sorta kinda Nat, the code was originally inducted after Wertham's Seduction of the Innocent book, as a way to get through the McCarthy era without running into the similar problems Hollywood did, by policing itself and not allowing anything to call attention to government watchdog groups that were worried about "corrupting the nations morals"

It was the killing blow for EC but wasn't designed solely for that purpose. (although some did use it to their advantage down the line) It was basically on its face, cowering to pressures and not standing up for their basic right for free speech and expression.

[NatGertler]

Sorta kinda Nat, the code was originally inducted after Wertham's Seduction of the Innocent book, as a way to get through the McCarthy era without running into the similar problems Hollywood did, by policing itself and not allowing anything to call attention to government watchdog groups that were worried about "corrupting the nations morals"

It was the killing blow for EC but wasn't designed solely for that purpose.Not solely, but there is strong reason to believe that that was part of the reason for the design of its guidelines. Part B of the original code starts by forbidding from the title two words that EC had used in the titles of its comics, and then going after general categories of content (such as werewolfism) that weren't inherently problematic but which were regular features of EC content. Unsuprisingly, Gaines, who had originally called folks together to form what became the CMAA, left the group.

[Magneto_X]

The main question is...

...who would want any part of Rick's shitty, unoriginal ripped-off creations?

Does anyone really WANT one of Rick's many Mary Sue's?

Gail

I could see Freedom 3 working (although it would need a definite revamp) in the vein of "The Invaders" with Jim on pencils.

But the characters are tainted just by being created by Olney so even if someone *did* make a good series from it people would stay away in droves.

Frankenborg could work as a parody, too.

[Danny Donovan]

Not solely, but there is strong reason to believe that that was part of the reason for the design of its guidelines. Part B of the original code starts by forbidding from the title two words that EC had used in the titles of its comics, and then going after general categories of content (such as werewolfism) that weren't inherently problematic but which were regular features of EC content. Unsuprisingly, Gaines, who had originally called folks together to form what became the CMAA, left the group.

That is true. it was loosely based on the movie guidelines of the time. They did forbid the usage of horror and terror etc in titles of comics (which the hollywood faction did not) Anyhow, EC is back, kind of. Papercutz is doing a new series of Tales From The Crypt.

I'm hopig groups like ours keeps things like that from happening again.

[TomStillwell]

That is true. it was loosely based on the movie guidelines of the time. They did forbid the usage of horror and terror etc in titles of comics (which the hollywood faction did not) Anyhow, EC is back, kind of. Papercutz is doing a new series of Tales From The Crypt.

I'm hopig groups like ours keeps things like that from happening again.

Who you calling a hopig?!!!

[Danny Donovan]

Who you calling a hopig?!!!

MEEEEEEEEE

Didn't you see the post? I didn't get a cute little derogatory name like the rest of you ho's crumbcatchers, etc. when rick was posting.. so I'm Ho-Pig!

lol. actually I meant HOPING.

But I was trying to reply to seven things at once.

[CutterMike]

Valid points, Danny and Nat - as I said, the mind goes freewheeling when I'm doing artwork (which used to get me into trouble at times, in past jobs, because the censor circuits that keep us from saying really stupid things ALSO shut down while I was drawing... May be the reason that I've got a private office at my current job*).

Sometimes the magic works... and sometimes it doesn't. We'll chalk this one up as a doesn't.

In any case, it was probably more a nostalgia thing for the comics of my youth than anything else.

(BTW - Did anyone else notice that the "Hellboy" comic that the kid had in the movie had a CCA stamp on it? Now THAT was wrong, since one couldn't use the word "Hell"... But iit was a great Kirbyesque monster-mag cover...)

In fact, for all I know it might have been the RonPerlman/Hellboy figure standing on my desk above/behind my monitor that started that whole thought process going... I dunno...

--------------------
*Okay, my desk is in the storage room with the city's planning maps, but it's MOSTLY private!

[NatGertler]

Anyhow, EC is back, kind of.EC hadn't gone away before that; they continue to produce Mad. You can see the EC Publications copyright at the bottom of this page (http://www.dccomics.com/mad/).

[JTPencils]

I'm not doing any F3 revamp without Jeff along to add his touches to my "substandard" work. So there!!!

:D

[Danny Donovan]

Do comics and USMC veteran status mix?
(http://www.mightyminicon.com/)

I think so! I'm actually working on several books that have connections to the Marine Corps. One is my Freedom 3 title, consisting of characters EAGLE, GLOBE, and ANCHOR. Here is an image:

Appears the Pentagon experiments with certain Parris Island recruits.

I also have a book in process about a character called THE SPOOK. Here's an image:

The Spook is a story about Viet Nam era Marine who strikes a deal with the Grim Reaper at the time of his untimely death.

And, we have one other character called DEVIL BUG. Here's an image:

DEVIL BUG is special to me personally because the character was created in honor of a a fallen Marine that adored comic books as a younger reader. My creative partner and I are unveiling this character, story, and book release dates in June at the Mighty MiniCon, being held in upstate New York. Here's a couple pages of preview art:


By all means, comment if you feel compelled, and thanks for reading my blog.
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These images are FANTASTIC! Where do I find these comics? I need to read your page more carefully, I'm sure you're telling us there. I LOVE this! Motivating, emotional, powerful. Semper Fi!!!
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Hey Top! Thanks for reading my blog. I posted answers to your question on your comments board. I have my share of detractors to my creative ability, but I now believe those dates to be firm. I've added you to be notified. Maybe you'd like to be comped each issue to read and review? Anyway, thanks for your comments and support.





R.
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I wonder if he realizes that Parris Island was the place that almost all of Milestone Comics stories took place?

Using unauthorized unpaid artwork again, for one of his things shown there.

[EdContradictory]

Links to the Devil Bug preview art?

[Inkpot1965]

I notice his origin of the Spook changed since I left. Must be to protect his character from being stolen by me. ;)

[DaveRothe]

Quote:


I think so! I'm actually working on several books that have connections to the Marine Corps. One is my Freedom 3 title, consisting of characters EAGLE, GLOBE, and ANCHOR. Here is an image:

Appears the Pentagon experiments with certain Parris Island recruits.

I also have a book in process about a character called THE SPOOK. Here's an image:

The Spook is a story about Viet Nam era Marine who strikes a deal with the Grim Reaper at the time of his untimely death.

And, we have one other character called DEVIL BUG. Here's an image:

DEVIL BUG is special to me personally because the character was created in honor of a a fallen Marine that adored comic books as a younger reader. My creative partner and I are unveiling this character, story, and book release dates in June at the Mighty MiniCon, being held in upstate New York. Here's a couple pages of preview art:


By all means, comment if you feel compelled, and thanks for reading my blog.
12:15 AM - 2 Comments - 2 Kudos - Add Comment

I feel compelled to HURL reading this. BARF!!! I wonder how much he's paid Mr. Dube so far... for the art.

[Justin Carr]

Apparently, Rick tried to register accounts over on Superdickery.com to demand that we remove this little thread. (http://z8.invisionfree.com/Superdickery_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4216) A thread that had a total of 10 posts on it before he tried to close it. It's now ballooned to a whole 29 posts. Not exactly certain how he found it though. We didn't even show up on a Google search, unless he's still lurking on this forum...

I've officially made it onto one of his numerous Dirty Dozen lists! I'm moving up in the word!

[Blake Petit]

Hey Top! Thanks for reading my blog. I posted answers to your question on your comments board. I have my share of detractors to my creative ability, but I now believe those dates to be firm.

WHAT dates? Has he actually announced a "release date" for something? I don't see any in that blog.

[khuxford]

Has anyone mentioned Dick Olney (http://forum.newsarama.com/showpost.php?p=3414597&postcount=64) basically making a veiled threat to Matt Brady about allowing people to speak negatively about him in his message board?

[Calliope's Comics]

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

Samuel Johnson, April 7, 1775.


On a quick aside all of my characters are now going to be former NSA members including the dogs and talking goldfish.

[Danny Donovan]

Apparently, Rick tried to register accounts over on Superdickery.com to demand that we remove this little thread. (http://z8.invisionfree.com/Superdickery_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4216) A thread that had a total of 10 posts on it before he tried to close it. It's now ballooned to a whole 29 posts. Not exactly certain how he found it though. We didn't even show up on a Google search, unless he's still lurking on this forum...

I've officially made it onto one of his numerous Dirty Dozen lists! I'm moving up in the word!

Justin,

He reads this forum even though he's banned rom posting.

[Danny Donovan]

Don't believe EVERYTHING you read on CBR in that particular libel thread. The matters described on that thread are very complex and still in legal work-up. I'm here now to let Matt know that my name isn't being bandied about freely unless those posting HERE about that matter actually have questions. Simply spreading lie after lie because you read it someplace else ... or in this case, Kevin T. Brown brought it here to further complicate the real matter of creative talents getting paid. Again, I'll attempt to answer basic questions should anyone have any. Beyond that, it is my opinion that this message thread violtae Newsarama's rules. Courts of law decides this things, not vigilantees employing hate & libel tactics.

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/2004/oct6/vigilante.jpg

Now see here Pard, I din' do nuthin' to nobody. An' whatever that injun said he's just a lyin' dawg ya hear?

[MacQuarrie]

The Comic Code bears little weight anywhere you're likely to distribute this book (or many other places, for that matter.) The publisher has to be a member of the CMAA to put the stamp on their book, and yes, that costs money.
And if the theme of the book is "how the little guy can stick it to the person who thinks (s)he's the Big Guy", it should be remembered that the code was designed by big guys aiming to stick it to a littler guy -- EC Comics. Significant portions of the original code seem to have been designed specifically to thwart EC.
There is one seal which the book could qualify for:
http://licensablebeartm.com/images/sealofapproval.jpg
Nat, have you considered the possibility of a Licensable Bear™ story for the UNSCREWED! Anthology? It would be a really good way to explain some of the issues at play in this case.

[Justin Carr]

Justin,

He reads this forum even though he's banned rom posting.

I thought as much. There honestly was no other explanation. I just find it funny that he took the time to try to register for such a small thread that was getting very little feedback from anyone who wasn't familiar with YABS in the first place.

"I can't talk or do anything to YABSers anymore, but I can pounce on that little jumpstart talking about me over there!"

[TomStillwell]

I thought as much. There honestly was no other explanation. I just find it funny that he took the time to try to register for such a small thread that was getting very little feedback from anyone who wasn't familiar with YABS in the first place.

"I can't talk or do anything to YABSers anymore, but I can pounce on that little jumpstart talking about me over there!"

It's not like he has anything better to do with his time.

He's unemployed and does no actual work in regards to his laughable comic endeavors. Anything remotely productive that he claims comes from the hands of better, smarter, and harder working people.

He's either trolling the net looking for pigeons, posting to his delusional tripe on a blog that no one cares about, or trying to hide his bad behavior from an evergrowing number savy of folks online.

Personally, if I were him, I'd spend my days curled into the fetal position asking God Almighty to forgive me for the things I've perpetrated against humankind.

[Paul Smith]

http://www.yourmomsbasement.com/archives/2007/03/the_tricks_of_t_13.html

?! :eek: !?

[Gail Simone]

?! :eek: !?

I would like it better if your emoticons had the FAMOUS PAUL SMITH SHINY HAIR!

:)

Gail

[TomStillwell]

I would like it better if your emoticons had the FAMOUS PAUL SMITH SHINY HAIR!

:)

Gail

Maybe someday you and Paul could open a salon specializing in SHINY HAIR.

[MacQuarrie]

I would like it better if your emoticons had the FAMOUS PAUL SMITH SHINY HAIR!

:)

Gail

While we're picking on Paul....

Dude, when you did "Leave it to Chance" my daughter was exactly the same age as Chance. Ashley is 20 now. Isn't it about time somebody lit a fire under you or Robinson? Please can we have some more?

[Tegan]

While we're picking on Paul....

Dude, when you did "Leave it to Chance" my daughter was exactly the same age as Chance. Ashley is 20 now. Isn't it about time somebody lit a fire under you or Robinson? Please can we have some more?

AMEN! Me Too! Agreed! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. That's a book I really want more of.

[CutterMike]

While we're picking on Paul....

Dude, when you did "Leave it to Chance" my daughter was exactly the same age as Chance. Ashley is 20 now. Isn't it about time somebody lit a fire under you or Robinson? Please can we have some more?

My daughter's 26 and getting married soon, AND WE BOTH WANT MORE CHASE FALCONER!!

Did you hear that...?

MORE CHASE FALCONER!!




Please.

Sir.

[Paul Smith]

I would like it better if your emoticons had the FAMOUS PAUL SMITH SHINY HAIR!

:)

Gail

Me too, if only because it would suggest I still HAD my famous shiney red hair. :(

[Paul Smith]

While we're picking on Paul....

Dude, when you did "Leave it to Chance" my daughter was exactly the same age as Chance. Ashley is 20 now. Isn't it about time somebody lit a fire under you or Robinson? Please can we have some more?

There's little I'd rather do but, even someone as skinny as I has to eat a couple of times a month. In terms of monetary return on time and effort invested, I took a major bath on the last one.

It was fun while it lasted and thanks to all for the kind words.

[Koben Kelly]

Has anyone mentioned Dick Olney (http://forum.newsarama.com/showpost.php?p=3414597&postcount=64) basically making a veiled threat to Matt Brady about allowing people to speak negatively about him in his message board?

Khux, do you really think Big Daddy isn't aware of the deadbeat's impotency in the leaggle brains department?

Nice link, my brotha.

Oh, yeah... violtae?

[Sparvid]

Has anyone mentioned Dick Olney (http://forum.newsarama.com/showpost.php?p=3414597&postcount=64) basically making a veiled threat to Matt Brady about allowing people to speak negatively about him in his message board?

I'll never understand how people can post a reply to a thread long dead, only to complain about the threads existence. Does that ever work?

Of course, I still don't get why Rick showed up in this thread in the first place. When I first read this, I thought that Rick was a deadbeat for not paying those people, but figured that after various posters had said their opinion, the thread would die out before Christmas...

[Cam63]

It's not like he has anything better to do with his time.

He's unemployed and does no actual work in regards to his laughable comic endeavors. Anything remotely productive that he claims comes from the hands of better, smarter, and harder working people.

He's either trolling the net looking for pigeons, posting to his delusional tripe on a blog that no one cares about, or trying to hide his bad behavior from an evergrowing number savy of folks online.

Personally, if I were him, I'd spend my days curled into the fetal position asking God Almighty to forgive me for the things I've perpetrated against humankind.

I still think his best work would be as a crash test dummy.

...for Boeing.

[Cam63]

Oh, yeah... violtae?

It's the new Latin.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going for a beertae.

[the4thpip]

Is a vigilantee somebody who's being vigilanted by a vigilanter?

[Cam63]

Maybe a vigilanteum or a commvigilantittee.

[the4thpip]

Maybe a vigilanteum or a commvigilantittee.

Sounds like something to see a urologist over.

[Cam63]

I like urologists.

They can take the piss.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/2004/oct6/vigilante.jpg

Now see here Pard, I din' do nuthin' to nobody. An' whatever that injun said he's just a lyin' dawg ya hear?

If I had one super power, it would be to draw like Gray Morrow--albeit with my own expression and dynamics.

I always forget how good he was--I just stared at the wrinkles on the clothing for ten minutes.

[KevinTBrown]

Has anyone mentioned Dick Olney (http://forum.newsarama.com/showpost.php?p=3414597&postcount=64) basically making a veiled threat to Matt Brady about allowing people to speak negatively about him in his message board?

Veiled threat against me too.


Oooooo, me am so scared I can bearly spel kerrectly. :rolleyes:

[Flamebird]

Flamebird, I liked your candles too! Particularly your original one.

I've just been distracted from the thread. There's this work thing I get paid for. ;)

Here's my "original" logo, if anyone with real talent thinks they can use it.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o103/flamebird_2006/mylogo01.jpg

I'm just starting to learn computer graphics, because I can't draw or color by hand anymore.

That's why it doesn't have the neat metallic shine I was going for. I think I need a plug-in or something, to do that.

[Flamebird]

Here's a practice candle I made for Gail.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o103/flamebird_2006/bccolor02.jpg


This was an early attempt at computer coloring by me.

As you can see I need LOTS of practice. :(

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Here's a practice candle I made for Gail.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o103/flamebird_2006/bccolor02.jpg


This was an early attempt at computer coloring by me.

As you can see I need LOTS of practice. :(

at the candle or the coloring? Because the candle looks great.

JP

[Reverend Smooth]

Very oldskool. <3

[Inkpot1965]

And old folks like me like old school.

[Flamebird]

at the candle or the coloring? Because the candle looks great.

JP

The coloring. The candles I make for a living.

[Inkpot1965]

The coloring. The candles I make for a living.

Guess that means you have the biggest wick in the room, eh?:D

[Flamebird]

Guess that means you have the biggest wick in the room, eh?:D

Steel core, even. :D


Why do ya think I use "Flame" bird for a screen-name? ;)



Hey I could always do some Freedom Three candles.

I know people would like to burn those. :rolleyes:

[Inkpot1965]

Steel core, even. :D


Why do ya think I use "Flame" bird for a screen-name? ;)



Hey I could always do some Freedom Three candles.

I know people would like to burn those. :rolleyes:

Maybe a candle with Rick's head on it, so it melts before our eyes?

[Stressfactor]

This....

And, we have one other character called DEVIL BUG. Here's an image:

DEVIL BUG is special to me personally because the character was created in honor of a a fallen Marine that adored comic books as a younger reader. My creative partner and I are unveiling this character, story, and book release dates in June at the Mighty MiniCon, being held in upstate New York. Here's a couple pages of preview art:

Worries me. Someone posted something about R.O. posting something up in a deceased Iraq War soldier's online memorial book but now, all of a sudden, this is making it sound like R.O. was this poor Marine's good buddy or something! I wonder if the Marine's family knows that R.O. is essentially using their son's name... a son who was, in reality, a perfect stranger to R.O.

Is it just me, or does anyone else find this kind of creepy and exploitative?

Also, (and I can't imagine why I've put this much throught into this...) I wonder if "Devil Bug" is supposed to be an oblique reference to the Devil Dogs -- a group of Marines who fought in the battle of Belleau Wood in WW I.

[khuxford]

Khux, do you really think Big Daddy isn't aware of the deadbeat's impotency in the leaggle brains department?

Nice link, my brotha.

Oh, yeah... violtae?

Yeah...I know Matt isn't afraid of Dick's legal wrangling...but I'm pretty sure he doesn't want the nuisance nightmare. :)

Dick is such an idiot.

[TCJohnson]

Oh, yeah... violtae?

Wasn't that what they called blood in the Vampire: Masquerade game? Does this mean Olney is a vampire? Is anybody surprised?

And I love how that thread is dead for months, nobody remembered it...and he brings it back up to tell people not to pay any attention to it.

[Draconomicon]

Wasn't that what they called blood in the Vampire: Masquerade game? Does this mean Olney is a vampire? Is anybody surprised?

And I love how that thread is dead for months, nobody remembered it...and he brings it back up to tell people not to pay any attention to it.

Vitae.
And he only mentioned (NOW) that Devil Bug (or whatever) is dedicated to a dead Marine in tries to make this book unattackable AND make Marines and Fans of Soldiers buy the book by making them think they do something *Patriotic* while I cannot imagine anything being further away from being *patriotic* than supporting a maggot who lives and wallows in the misery of his fellow man.

In short, he seriously manages to sink lower and lower

[khuxford]

Veiled threat against me too.


Oooooo, me am so scared I can bearly spel kerrectly. :rolleyes:

LOL...but he's made open threats against anyone here. The one against Matt Brady was the surprising one, to me. :)

[SteveForbes]

More than likely it is, Stress.

As a former Marine, I know the joys of putting the word "devil" in front of other words, because it's "fun". (Yeah, I was brainwashed.)

And yes, it IS exploitive. Don't forget despicable. Now, if the honorable thing was done- YOR contacted the Marine's family and asked for permission to do this- then there's no problem. But we all know what really happened there.

Yeah, I'm up kinda early. Got some stuff to do before going to work, and then have some stuff to do after coming home from work. Meh.

Anywho, also check out the link in my sig, so you can see what YOU can do to help protect yourself from people like YOR.

-(might need a nap) llama

[NatGertler]

Nat, have you considered the possibility of a Licensable Bear™ story for the UNSCREWED! Anthology? It would be a really good way to explain some of the issues at play in this case.I would've offered one up if I thought it would have a positive effect on sales of the book. Sadly, the name of "Gertler" ain't a big draw these days...

[Larkin]

Also, (and I can't imagine why I've put this much throught into this...) I wonder if "Devil Bug" is supposed to be an oblique reference to the Devil Dogs -- a group of Marines who fought in the battle of Belleau Wood in WW I.


Considering the name of the character was changed three times in the span of a few days, I doubt it. Plus, pRick's not that smart. But now that I've brought attention to your comment and the fact that he's reading this, I'm sure he'll say that it is. Still, we all know this will never publish.

[KevinTBrown]

Wasn't that what they called blood in the Vampire: Masquerade game? Does this mean Olney is a vampire? Is anybody surprised?

And I love how that thread is dead for months, nobody remembered it...and he brings it back up to tell people not to pay any attention to it.

Olney's a bloodsucker all right, but more along the lines of a tick.....

[Kozemp]

I would've offered one up if I thought it would have a positive effect on sales of the book. Sadly, the name of "Gertler" ain't a big draw these days...

Perhaps if you changed your name to "Nat Awesometastic" that might improve the situation.

JLK
fantabulous

[Sarah Beach]

Regarding the dedication to the young Marine -- so far as I know the only contact the paramecium has had with the soldier's family was by signing an online guest book put up at the time of the kid's memorial service. I could never figure out just what the paramecium's connection to that particular Marine was: had the kid attended an ORCA function once, or been sent something by ORCA? Was he just from the area that Rick lives in? Because God knows there've been plenty of Marines killed in action in this war who read comics.

But anyway... originally, the paramecium was saying that it was Freedom 3 that was going to be dedicated to the kid. (And since it's "based" on the Marine emblem, that would make about as much sense as any of his ideas do.) But of course, now Freedom 3 is all tied up with those pesky legal problems. So he's transfered the "dedication" over to the title that he's got his current sucke--- excuse me, creative talent working on.

He's a pest. And I don't think he's going to get anything into print at all. He's just saying that to sound big, and because he wants to pretend he can get something into print before Unscrewed! does.

[Danny Donovan]

Regarding the dedication to the young Marine -- so far as I know the only contact the paramecium has had with the soldier's family was by signing an online guest book put up at the time of the kid's memorial service. I could never figure out just what the paramecium's connection to that particular Marine was: had the kid attended an ORCA function once, or been sent something by ORCA? Was he just from the area that Rick lives in? Because God knows there've been plenty of Marines killed in action in this war who read comics.

But anyway... originally, the paramecium was saying that it was Freedom 3 that was going to be dedicated to the kid. (And since it's "based" on the Marine emblem, that would make about as much sense as any of his ideas do.) But of course, now Freedom 3 is all tied up with those pesky legal problems. So he's transfered the "dedication" over to the title that he's got his current sucke--- excuse me, creative talent working on.

He's a pest. And I don't think he's going to get anything into print at all. He's just saying that to sound big, and because he wants to pretend he can get something into print before Unscrewed! does.

Actually It was Freedom 3 #2 that was going to have a dedication to the young man in its pages. Devil Bug (I thought of the Devil Dogs reference too) is supposed to be about ALL marines....

From what I hear, if he tries to solicit that issue of Freedom 3 he is going to encounter some serious problems.

[Coppervale Studio]

I've been doing book signings in Paris, and haven't even glanced at the board in a week.

Anything interesting going on?

[Danny Donovan]

I've been doing book signings in Paris, and haven't even glanced at the board in a week.

Anything interesting going on?

Just the fact your fans pwn the world.

Dude! Your bids rock. ;)

Also Rick's been acting up again.

[Coppervale Studio]

Just the fact your fans pwn the world.

Dude! Your bids rock. ;)

Also Rick's been acting up again.

I just went and looked at the auctions. Holy crapola. (!)

[Coppervale Studio]

HOLY GOD JAMES!

http://cgi.ebay.com/One-of-a-kind-item-Custom-art-by-James-Owen_W0QQitemZ180098419108QQcategoryZ972QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$510.99!!!

For a commission!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And not even near over yet! That is just insane. You rock so freakin hard. :p How does it feel to outsell Scott Shaw! ?

:p

I'll never outsell Scott Shaw!

The commission might sell for more, but Scott's value is inestimable.

[MacQuarrie]

I would've offered one up if I thought it would have a positive effect on sales of the book. Sadly, the name of "Gertler" ain't a big draw these days...
Enh. I'm doing something, and my name has absolutely no value whatsoever. Not every piece has to be a "name"... it's okay to give them something they didn't know they wanted. I think the bear would be a natural for this topic. Wish I had time, or I'd try to take a crack at pitching to draw it.

[Coppervale Studio]

I second this. I saw Jame's posters he had with him at the Phoenix Con. He has one with EVERY character in his Starchild comic (including Little Neil :D ) and it's just awesome. He can definitely do a JLA/Avengers cover if need be.

This is an awesome one of a kind item. Actually, quite a lot of things in this are. Bid already!

JP

Actually, I did a JLA/Avengers piece for an Atomic Comics charity auction five years ago:

http://pics.livejournal.com/coppervale/pic/000a9acy

http://pics.livejournal.com/coppervale/pic/000aaz53

;)

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Actually, I did a JLA/Avengers piece for an Atomic Comics charity auction five years ago:

http://pics.livejournal.com/coppervale/pic/000a9acy

http://pics.livejournal.com/coppervale/pic/000aaz53

;)

Okay, you just rock. Seriously. That is awesome!

JP

[Coppervale Studio]

Okay, you just rock. Seriously. That is awesome!

JP

I posted those just to underscore the point (and no offense intended to anyone who commented) that certain compositions which would be daunting to some, are a cakewalk to others.

This one was the latter. The JSA vs. the X-Men was harder, but still, no major hassle. So if anyone reading this was thinking about bidding, but was concerned about asking me to do too MUCH in the illo...

Bring

It

On.

[rummblestrips]

Better be careful, James. Rick might send you an email saying he owns that work, you know!

Fantastic stuff. I showed my husband some of your work and we both almost sobbed that we didn't have more money right now to bid. One day though...

[Danny Donovan]

I posted those just to underscore the point (and no offense intended to anyone who commented) that certain compositions which would be daunting to some, are a cakewalk to others.

This one was the latter. The JSA vs. the X-Men was harder, but still, no major hassle. So if anyone reading this was thinking about bidding, but was concerned about asking me to do too MUCH in the illo...

Bring

It

On.

In the press release I suggested the battle of Miras Tirith from LOTR. :p

[Coppervale Studio]

In the press release I suggested the battle of Miras Tirith from LOTR. :p

Heh. I'm looking at doing some work now with Rick Porras, who was a producer on those films.

Bring

It

On.

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Heh. I'm looking at doing some work now with Rick Porras, who was a producer on those films.

Bring

It

On.

I'd love to see a picture of all the main cast of here there be dragons on the blue dragon. That would be killer.

JP

[Flamebird]

I posted those just to underscore the point (and no offense intended to anyone who commented) that certain compositions which would be daunting to some, are a cakewalk to others.

This one was the latter. The JSA vs. the X-Men was harder, but still, no major hassle. So if anyone reading this was thinking about bidding, but was concerned about asking me to do too MUCH in the illo...

Bring

It

On.

Now you're just showing off! :p

(feel free to show off some more, however).

Let's see something REALLY hard, like Legion of Superheroes Vs. X-Babies! :D

[Sarah Beach]

So, I was browsing around mySpace, because I'm slowly conceding to ... peer pressure, and contemplating getting a page. And I thought, what the heck, let's see if the paramecium has come out of the cone of silence again yet.

Result, not quite. But he has changed his self-identification again

orcafresh™, just another 'Old Salt' Marine

I wonder if his Marine "friends" asked him to change it. Heh.

[Flamebird]

So, I was browsing around mySpace, because I'm slowly conceding to ... peer pressure, and contemplating getting a page. And I thought, what the heck, let's see if the paramecium has come out of the cone of silence again yet.

Result, not quite. But he has changed his self-identification again


I wonder if his Marine "friends" asked him to change it. Heh.

That would imply that:

a) He was actually a marine

and

b) He has "friends":eek:

[Magneto_X]

In the press release I suggested the battle of Miras Tirith from LOTR. :p

You're trying to kill him!!!!!!!! :eek:

[JTPencils]

So, I was browsing around mySpace, because I'm slowly conceding to ... peer pressure, and contemplating getting a page. And I thought, what the heck, let's see if the paramecium has come out of the cone of silence again yet.

Result, not quite. But he has changed his self-identification again


I wonder if his Marine "friends" asked him to change it. Heh.

But Sarah, he's no longer insulting the Marines really... the term "Old Salt" is more in the lines of sailors, ergo.. he's ruffling the Navy. Granted.. the Marines are a section of the Navy... but as a former sailor... I find the insinuation... rather insulting.

[Coppervale Studio]

Now you're just showing off! :p

(feel free to show off some more, however).

Let's see something REALLY hard, like Legion of Superheroes Vs. X-Babies! :D

I'd do the Legion in a heartbeat.

All of them.

[Inkpot1965]

I'd do the Legion in a heartbeat.

All of them.

Even Braniac 5?