Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[Gail Simone]

JT thanks for posting that here. I hadn't been to Unscrewed! yet today.

My mouth fell open at his comment about Chuck ('cause, you know, he's a friend). But the immense NERVE of the paramecium! Because really! It does NOT take months and weeks to do even a preliminary tracking of an IP, especially if one has cause. (Heck, I once tracked an IP back to a specific dorm desk in under 2 days - a troll on Dixonverse several years ago.) He's full of crap. And his propensity for paranoia and assuming that one person is someone else using a screenname -- it's silly. (He once made the assumption that a Dixonverse poster - who has ALWAYS used his real name as his screenname - was using a pseudonym. Because isn't that what everyone does?)

But the rest of it???? He keeps doing this, even after we've proven we're serious about the legal side of things? That we, in fact, have a far better grasp of "the real world" than he does? AAAAAaggggghhhhh!


Rick's famous for using sockpuppets and has been caught with his pants down over it several times.

He ain't exactly a genius.

The thing is, if people don't know what a massive lying impotent blowhard he is, then they sometimes believe his fake legal threats. If you know his history of always, always backing down like a cringing cur, then it's hard to be too scared. Hell, it's hard to keep from LAUGHING OUT LOUD when he has a ten-year history of lies and fake, empty threats.

But someone like Cesar, who doesn't know all that yet, may actually believe it.

Cesar, if you're reading, Rick Olney never told the truth in his life. He has neither the money nor the grounds to sue anyone, and in ten years of chest-thumping, has backed down like a coward every single time. Plus, he knows full well that with the evidence we have, he'd be demolished. No judge is going to take the side of a woman-bashing, homophobic racist with a decade long history of cheating people constantly, AND as several lawyers have said already, his understanding of an NDA is pitiful and moronic.

You're more likely to be sued by Kermit the Frog, and he'd have a better chance of winning, too.

Rick is an empty suit, full of nothing but lies and false threats.

He's an insect.

Don't worry about him, don't give him that pleasure.

Gail

[DaveRothe]

Rick's famous for using sockpuppets and has been caught with his pants down over it several times.

He ain't exactly a genius.

The thing is, if people don't know what a massive lying impotent blowhard he is, then they sometimes believe his fake legal threats. If you know his history of always, always backing down like a cringing cur, then it's hard to be too scared. Hell, it's hard to keep from LAUGHING OUT LOUD when he has a ten-year history of lies and fake, empty threats.

But someone like Cesar, who doesn't know all that yet, may actually believe it.

Cesar, if you're reading, Rick Olney never told the truth in his life. He has neither the money nor the grounds to sue anyone, and in ten years of chest-thumping, has backed down like a coward every single time. Plus, he knows full well that with the evidence we have, he'd be demolished. No judge is going to take the side of a woman-bashing, homophobic racist with a decade long history of cheating people constantly, AND as several lawyers have said already, his understanding of an NDA is pitiful and moronic.

You're more likely to be sued by Kermit the Frog, and he'd have a better chance of winning, too.

Rick is an empty suit, full of nothing but lies and false threats.

He's an insect.

Don't worry about him, don't give him that pleasure.

Gail


And if Kermit the Frog does sue don't bother with him. It's Miss Piggy you have to watch out for! Haaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiii-yaaaaaaaaaaaah!

[TonyIsabella]

Tony Isabella: Big Man on Campus?

Want to see and hear me live and in person?

Well, for a limited time only, you can do both at Lakeland Community College's 4th Annual Comics Symposium, Saturday, March 24, in Kirtland, Ohio.

I'm one of two keynote speakers. I'm scheduled to speak from 10-10:50 am on my 35 years of experience in the comics industry. After that, the Symposium is providing me with a room/space/something so I can continue sharing my painfully earned wisdom, answer any questions that didn't get asked earlier, look at portofolios, and judge the entries in the Symposium's Comics Contest in the area of Graphic Fiction. It's my intention to be available to Symposium attendees as long as I can, but that depends on how I'm feeling that day.

For more information on the event, go here:

http://www.lakelandcc.edu/comics/

I hope to see some of my online friends and readers there.

Tony Isabella

P.S. Feel free to spread the word about this.

[Danny Donovan]

I wouldn't worry about him making pouty messages on his closed Myspace. I have people watching that. And I know there are some of his sock puppets here. And I believe they've posted once or twice..

As for the latest Cesar update.... All I can say is, m'man you have my deepest sympathies and welcome to the club. I think we're all gonna meet once a month for ice cream or something. :p

But he made his appearance at the right time. Unscrewed! is really picking up and moving like crazy. Doing more than Rick could ever hope to do.

I would LOVE to hear anyone who thinks we're being "unfair" to Rick now. After all this! I can pull out DocA's letters, Cesar's letters, Ronee's letters.. THESE are the victims. Not that dipshit in NY.

If he wants a war, he'll get a war... But he won't like it. We don't just talk about doing things, we do things.

To qouthe Boondocks

YOU GONNA PAY WHAT YOU OWE!

[Kurt Busiek]

I see he's changed the "free give-away" text again...
"Paid weekend admission includes FREE collectable (CBR) COMIC BOOK REJECTS SO-SCREWED™ glass! Be the first on your block to actually know what STUPID Comic Book Rejects So-Screwed looks like and is all about! No, we're not poking anyone that actually reads and enjoys comics in the eye with a sharp stick. This simply addresses the people that need a spotlight shined on them!"
Anyone else get the feeling that this is his new way of sounding off against this board...since he's set his own ramblings to "private" now (@ MySpace) and was banned here?
Whatta putz.

It's simply because he's so utterly incompetent at writing English sentences that his first try at it had people saying, "Huh? Rick Olney's giving out Comic Book Reject So-Screwed glasses? Why is he advertising that he's a so-screwed reject?"

Plus, the second most-obvious interpretation is that he's calling people who might come to his show so-screwed rejects -- and while the first part of that is clearly true, he's hoping they won't find out until after they're demanding their travel reimbursements and have been through four rounds of "It must be the accountant! Bad accountant! Bad Fluffy!"

So now he's trying to save the backfired gag, adding clunky extra language that says, in essence "...and no, I don't mean me! Uh...or you! Why would you think I meant me? I meant those guys over there! You're no faaaaaaiiirrrrr...."

Par for the course, really.

kdb

[Danny Donovan]

It's simply because he's so utterly incompetent at writing English sentences that his first try at it had people saying, "Huh? Rick Olney's giving out Comic Book Reject So-Screwed glasses? Why is he advertising that he's a so-screwed reject?"

Plus, the second most-obvious interpretation is that he's calling people who might come to his show so-screwed rejects -- and while the first part of that is clearly true, he's hoping they won't find out until after they're demanding their travel reimbursements and have been through four rounds of "It must be the accountant! Bad accountant! Bad Fluffy!"

So now he's trying to save the backfired gag, adding clunky extra language that says, in essence "...and no, I don't mean me! Uh...or you! Why would you think I meant me? I meant those guys over there! You're no faaaaaaiiirrrrr...."

Par for the course, really.

kdb

Oh my god...

I thought that was a joke again.

See YABS being a humor column, and you know the possibility of someone being THAT stupid being scientifically unpossible.....

But then I realize we are dealing with Rick Olney.

THAT SENTENCE EVEN MAKES LESS SENSE!!!! Also it comes off as a 10 year old's taunt. "They're just stupid heads!!!!! STUPID!!!!!!!!"

That's just insane.

[Danny Donovan]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/orcafresh/MySpace/DBUG75.jpg

Picture makes even less sense.

[Tegan]

When Rick gets arrested for not having paid any of his court settlements, can we make him walk the plank?

Completely symbolic of course, wouldn't want the sharks to get indigestion..

Better be symbolic. The oceans don't need more trash in them.

[illustrationelectric]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/orcafresh/MySpace/DBUG75.jpg

Picture makes even less sense.

What happens when college student Pioter Packer get’s bitten by a mysterious radioactive green bug?

Watch as spiderm**&^uhhh errrr Devil Bug endeavors to recover his lost phalanges from Periodontist-Octipudus. See as Pioter attempts to keep his good grades in school while trying to keep the affections of Jane Beth as well as giving foot massages to his aunt Buru.

Why the hell does he need to TM that damn soscrewed glass?--who the hell would want to infringe on that idiocracy?

[Tegan]

Cesar posted this at the Unscrewed! site, but I just felt that his exchange with the vile one should be shared here as well.

I've gotten angry enough to have to leave my computer for fear of destroying it in my wrath only a couple of times in my life. Reading Cesar's experiences with Olney, on top of everything else Olney has done, made me that angry again.

Olney has no gall, no empathy, and no soul. He's a putrified zombie of a creature who exists only to hurt others. He deserves no respect. He has proven himself to be as low as it's possible to get without resorting to violent crime. Cheating people is bad. Cheating people who are already poor and can't fight back is worse. Cheating people who are poor and desperately need money to feed their families is subhuman.

Olney, I know you are reading this. Don't come to Seattle. Ever. Because your name is spreading here, and will spread further. And there are more than a few folks here who, after hearing what you did to Cesar, are very likely to find themselves unwilling to wait for the long arm of the law to catch up with you. Ever hear of tar and feathering, Olney? It's incredibly painful, if you live through it. And you might find yourself on the wrong end of it. So just don't come here. I saying this entirely out of kindness, Olney. Your name is mud here. And we know "mud" in Seattle.

You wanted fame, Olney? You got it. Feed your ego. You just better pray that the bill for your fame doesn't come due, because it won't accept your pathetic lies and excuses.

[Sarah Beach]

Thinking about this again (because... well, I should be working ;) )---
Paid weekend admission includes FREE collectable (CBR) COMIC BOOK REJECTS SO-SCREWED™ glass! Be the first on your block to actually know what STUPID Comic Book Rejects So-Screwed looks like and is all about! No, we're not poking anyone that actually reads and enjoys comics in the eye with a sharp stick. This simply addresses the people that need a spotlight shined on them!

"Be the first ... to actually know what... blah ... looks like and is all about!"

So..... this is going to have what on it? Names of his Dirty Dozen with a statement under them that "These people are meanies and oppressors of comics creators!"??

I'm vaguely concerned about what he's going to put on these glasses - since he seems to be indicating that it will be more than the phrase "(CBR) COMIC BOOK REJECTS SO-SCREWED".

By the way, isn't that parenthetical "(CBR)" still actionable by Comic Book Resources? Wouldn't the parentheses reference something else, since they don't follow the defining term "Comic Book Rejects"? And why is he bothering to trademark such a stupid thing? Ijit.

Anyway, as I said, I'm vaguely concerned about what he's planning to put on the glasses, since there's not saying it might not actually be libelous (given his ways).

On the other hand, unless he's doing them by way of CafePress or some such, I don't really think he's going to have them made up. I mean, he'd have to pay someone.

Another by the way, does anyone know if his various entities do have CafePress accounts (or Zazzle or any other such company) set up? It just crossed my mind today.

[illustrationelectric]

Thinking about this again (because... well, I should be working ;) )---


"Be the first ... to actually know what... blah ... looks like and is all about!"

So..... this is going to have what on it? Names of his Dirty Dozen with a statement under them that "These people are meanies and oppressors of comics creators!"??

I'm vaguely concerned about what he's going to put on these glasses - since he seems to be indicating that it will be more than the phrase "(CBR) COMIC BOOK REJECTS SO-SCREWED".

By the way, isn't that parenthetical "(CBR)" still actionable by Comic Book Resources? Wouldn't the parentheses reference something else, since they don't follow the defining term "Comic Book Rejects"? And why is he bothering to trademark such a stupid thing? Ijit.

Anyway, as I said, I'm vaguely concerned about what he's planning to put on the glasses, since there's not saying it might not actually be libelous (given his ways).

On the other hand, unless he's doing them by way of CafePress or some such, I don't really think he's going to have them made up. I mean, he'd have to pay someone.

Another by the way, does anyone know if his various entities do have CafePress accounts (or Zazzle or any other such company) set up? It just crossed my mind today.

I cant understand a friggin word he wrote there---kudos to your ability to read such giberish---

[Sarah Beach]

I cant understand a friggin word he wrote there---kudos to your ability to read such giberish---

Gail forced me to learn how to write Olneyish......

Well..... she taunted me with the challenge. ;)

It requires warping the thought processes, and progressing in non-linear fashion (both in grammar and concept sequence). Combine that with an operational assumption that he's always implying more than he will explicitly say, and you get the general method.

It won't make things much more comprehensible, though. So you might not want to expend the effort. Because you still end up at the "What the heck?" point, regardless.

[G-Spot]

Thinking about this again (because... well, I should be working ;) )---


"Be the first ... to actually know what... blah ... looks like and is all about!"

So..... this is going to have what on it? Names of his Dirty Dozen with a statement under them that "These people are meanies and oppressors of comics creators!"??

I'm vaguely concerned about what he's going to put on these glasses - since he seems to be indicating that it will be more than the phrase "(CBR) COMIC BOOK REJECTS SO-SCREWED".

I know if I was threatened of a lawsuit by RO for posting here/talking about him, I would be talking to a lawyer to see what actions might be taken, since he states quite plainly "This simply addresses the people that need a spotlight shined on them!".

How many times now, has he said that the people here are just "riding coattails" and "wanting attention?" That alone, to me, implies he's targeting specific people, and if I were one, I know I wouldn't want my name on anything he produces. (And yes, I know the "con" won't be held, but just in case...)

I almost wish I had the time to drive to NY for this "con" and see what he has planned...but really...I don't think it would be worth my time, gas, and mental state.

But I am really hoping he does come to the Pittsburgh Comicon! I would love to see Joanne chase him down! :D

[illustrationelectric]

Gail forced me to learn how to write Olneyish......

Well..... she taunted me with the challenge. ;)

It requires warping the thought processes, and progressing in non-linear fashion (both in grammar and concept sequence). Combine that with an operational assumption that he's always implying more than he will explicitly say, and you get the general method.

It won't make things much more comprehensible, though. So you might not want to expend the effort. Because you still end up at the "What the heck?" point, regardless.

heheh keep up the good work SB. I think it's just really f'in funny--.lol Maybe if you read it backwards it has demonic messages.

[Inkpot1965]

Par for the course, really.
kdb

Now what golf course would let Olney and his tin foil clubs even touch their green?

[Calliope's Comics]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/orcafresh/MySpace/DBUG75.jpg

Picture makes even less sense.

Is that the Mangaverse Spider-Man on St. Patrick's Day?

And why is the Blue Beetle's Ship behind him?

And since when are Devil's Green? (I mean I have seen Blue Demons, but this may be pushing it.)

[Danny Donovan]

What happens when college student Pioter Packer get’s bitten by a mysterious radioactive green bug?

Watch as spiderm**&^uhhh errrr Devil Bug endeavors to recover his lost phalanges from Periodontist-Octipudus. See as Pioter attempts to keep his good grades in school while trying to keep the affections of Jane Beth as well as giving foot massages to his aunt Buru.

Why the hell does he need to TM that damn soscrewed glass?--who the hell would want to infringe on that idiocracy?

I know it's the wrong nit to pick but shouldn't a "devil bug" that doesn't look like a devil in the way Blue Devil or Daredevil do be red, and not green? Or is he worried it'd look too much like ANT (except without the nice curves. lol.)

I've gotten angry enough to have to leave my computer for fear of destroying it in my wrath only a couple of times in my life. Reading Cesar's experiences with Olney, on top of everything else Olney has done, made me that angry again.

Olney has no gall, no empathy, and no soul. He's a putrified zombie of a creature who exists only to hurt others. He deserves no respect. He has proven himself to be as low as it's possible to get without resorting to violent crime. Cheating people is bad. Cheating people who are already poor and can't fight back is worse. Cheating people who are poor and desperately need money to feed their families is subhuman.

Olney, I know you are reading this. Don't come to Seattle. Ever. Because your name is spreading here, and will spread further. And there are more than a few folks here who, after hearing what you did to Cesar, are very likely to find themselves unwilling to wait for the long arm of the law to catch up with you. Ever hear of tar and feathering, Olney? It's incredibly painful, if you live through it. And you might find yourself on the wrong end of it. So just don't come here. I saying this entirely out of kindness, Olney. Your name is mud here. And we know "mud" in Seattle.

You wanted fame, Olney? You got it. Feed your ego. You just better pray that the bill for your fame doesn't come due, because it won't accept your pathetic lies and excuses.

How could he afford to go to Seattle?

:p

Thinking about this again (because... well, I should be working ;) )---


"Be the first ... to actually know what... blah ... looks like and is all about!"

So..... this is going to have what on it? Names of his Dirty Dozen with a statement under them that "These people are meanies and oppressors of comics creators!"??

I'm vaguely concerned about what he's going to put on these glasses - since he seems to be indicating that it will be more than the phrase "(CBR) COMIC BOOK REJECTS SO-SCREWED".

By the way, isn't that parenthetical "(CBR)" still actionable by Comic Book Resources? Wouldn't the parentheses reference something else, since they don't follow the defining term "Comic Book Rejects"? And why is he bothering to trademark such a stupid thing? Ijit.

Anyway, as I said, I'm vaguely concerned about what he's planning to put on the glasses, since there's not saying it might not actually be libelous (given his ways).

On the other hand, unless he's doing them by way of CafePress or some such, I don't really think he's going to have them made up. I mean, he'd have to pay someone.

Another by the way, does anyone know if his various entities do have CafePress accounts (or Zazzle or any other such company) set up? It just crossed my mind today.

I checked. No CP or Zazzle accounts for Orca, (at least the non whale version) Orcafresh, Tightlip, or Mighty Mini Con. He was never very bright about using things like this. Because of course these types of things are print on demand. He'd have to pay to get a shirt himself. He couldn't convince someone to make him one as a sample and get it for free.

There will be no glasses, although as I said last night I kinda want one for some odd reason. He's got no follow-through, but more likely than not he knows EXACTLY how illegal it would be to put ANY of our names on it.

Especially someone who works in the industry. Using someone's name to promote your event without their consent is illegal and can get you in a looooot of leggagle trouble.

[JeffreyWKramer]

And since when are Devil's Green? (I mean I have seen Blue Demons, but this may be pushing it.)

Maybe he's an envious devil. Or horny.

The most likely explanation, however, is that it makes no sense because Olney is involved in the project.

[Calliope's Comics]

[QUOTE=Danny Donovan;4563147]I know it's the wrong nit to pick but shouldn't a "devil bug" that doesn't look like a devil in the way Blue Devil or Daredevil do be red, and not green? Or is he worried it'd look too much like ANT (except without the nice curves. lol.)


QUOTE]


Great minds think alike.:D BTW I want to announce I am copyrighting the name Insect-Demon. He is going to be red and look exactly like a manga version of Venom with Wonder Woman's Invisible Jet behind him.

[TomStillwell]

In January I sent out a survey via myspace asking one simple question with no preface.

"What do you know about Rick Olney?"

I received dozens of replies. Some humorous, some downright scary.

Here's one I finally received permission to re-post. This happened back in the Summer of 2003.

No money owed but... In 2003 I wrote reviews and did interviews for
Slushfactory.com and site owner Brian Jacks. Rick Olney tried recruiting
me to write for him, even going so far as to offer me money to do so. At
the time I was both happy at Slushfactory and doing my own thang building
a website, so I had no interest in working for Olney. I had
no idea that had I he'd never have paid. So, he started posting at
Slushfactory's forums that Brian Jacks, whom he called Jack because he
apparently does not understand the difference between first and last
names, must eat watermelon because he is black and shit like that. Brian
warned him. Then Rick Olney sent me a number of private messages, that
Brian read (as site administator) that seemed to show that Olney had hired
me and that I was leaving Slush. All not the least bit true. Olney then
was banned for another forum indiscretion and then turned to writing me
dozens of letters how the he thinks Jack was wrong, and that Olney is a
pariah undeservedly. Then when there was a lull in my activity at
Slushfactory (then afterwards UGO.com) because I was working on a number
of long term works and posting articles at two sites Brian let me go
saying Slush was moving on and that I could work for Olney. He likely did
not believe it since it never thereafter happened but Olney poisoned that
well.

When I started my site Olney wrote me asking me what was going on and
why did I not get his permission to start my own site and why didn't I
tell him before hand... then began posting politically charged posts at
my forums which all ended up being deleted, and him being
banned.

Olney is likely bipolar and needs help. But it won't come from me.

I did read the thread but I try not to post in too many places, and least
of all in a thread involving Olney since he still, likely knows my email
address.

[Inkpot1965]

Is that the Mangaverse Spider-Man on St. Patrick's Day?

And why is the Blue Beetle's Ship behind him?

And since when are Devil's Green? (I mean I have seen Blue Demons, but this may be pushing it.)

That's not the Blue Beetle's ship behind him. That's a stylized cockroach named R'Kolney.

[Danny Donovan]

In January I sent out a survey via myspace asking one simple question with no preface.

"What do you know about Rick Olney?"

I received dozens of replies. Some humorous, some downright scary.

Here's one I finally received permission to re-post. This happened back in the Summer of 2003.

That was a hard read, but it CEMENTS what happened to Jim Ritchey.

He's not bi-polar. He's fucking looney.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Gogo_Dodo.jpg
"Far be it from me to critisize.. but you seem to have issues with reality."

:p

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/a/af/230px-Venom-in-Spider-Man-TAS.jpg

Insect-Demon! Coming soon from Calliope's Comics! Look! It already got optioned by Fox!

[TCJohnson]

Thinking about this again (because... well, I should be working ;) )---


"Be the first ... to actually know what... blah ... looks like and is all about!"

So..... this is going to have what on it? Names of his Dirty Dozen with a statement under them that "These people are meanies and oppressors of comics creators!"??

I'm vaguely concerned about what he's going to put on these glasses - since he seems to be indicating that it will be more than the phrase "(CBR) COMIC BOOK REJECTS SO-SCREWED".

By the way, isn't that parenthetical "(CBR)" still actionable by Comic Book Resources? Wouldn't the parentheses reference something else, since they don't follow the defining term "Comic Book Rejects"? And why is he bothering to trademark such a stupid thing? Ijit.

Anyway, as I said, I'm vaguely concerned about what he's planning to put on the glasses, since there's not saying it might not actually be libelous (given his ways).

On the other hand, unless he's doing them by way of CafePress or some such, I don't really think he's going to have them made up. I mean, he'd have to pay someone.

Another by the way, does anyone know if his various entities do have CafePress accounts (or Zazzle or any other such company) set up? It just crossed my mind today.

Yeah, well, I think you put in more thought into this than Olney has put into anything.

[Calliope's Comics]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/a/af/230px-Venom-in-Spider-Man-TAS.jpg

Insect-Demon! Coming soon from Calliope's Comics! Look! It already got optioned by Fox!

Hey how did you get the promo pic so quickly? If you look you can see the invisible jet in the background.
I actually do have some titles that I am currently working on, one of which I think is the greatest take on zombies ever. And if Recess Pieces had not come out last year I would have had a story done in that vein as well.

[Kozemp]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/a/af/230px-Venom-in-Spider-Man-TAS.jpg


Are you saying that Rick Olney wants to eat Spider-Man's brain?

That might actually make a little more sense than some of the things he's claimed.

JLK
mmm... brains...

[Danny Donovan]

Hey how did you get the promo pic so quickly?

I have inside sources!!!!!!!

[JoeK32880]

I don't really have anything to add that no one else has said already, but I felt I should contribute at least one post to this immortal thread.

[illustrationelectric]

Yeah, well, I think you put in more thought into this than Olney has put into anything.

Exept maybe making sure the TM superscript is placed at least three times on each mmcon page, or that there is a very prominant composition-invading copy right statement on everything.

this post is TM and copy right ILLUSTRATIONELECTRIC boo yeah

[Papergirl]

But... but.... but duct tape can be soooooo much fun when used under the proper circumstances. ;) Trust me.

Yes, but that's NOT what Cam had in mind!

Gads, this just smacks of the old chestnut "Would you like to come to my place to see my etchings??"... blech!

Are you trying to say Jeff doesn't have etching for me to see?! :eek:

Well... to be honest, the ducks DID ask for it. They are the stool pigeons of the aquatic fowl set.

The duckies have been trying to horn in on the kittens' turf for decades now!

In this case, " Wildfire " with duct tape added, would be a vast improvement.

SEE?! I told you, Kevin!

Are pirates allowed to drool?

Yes. Except over Man Faye pictures that Lester posts. Drooling over those may well result in you being dropped off on the most remote uninhabited island we can find.

Hm, I actually know a few people who have dungeons that we can throw him into.....

:evilsmile

Dungeons and duct tape... Olney might enjoy that. Better come up with a new plan.

Seems like Dinkle is still reading every single post here. Maybe I should post more images of naked French rugby players.

Oh please do! :D

And since when are Devil's Green? (I mean I have seen Blue Demons, but this may be pushing it.)

Green IS the color of envy, and we all KNOW that Olney suffers from severe envy attacks. Especially envy of those creators he cheated that have gone on to bigger and better things.

~Bev

[Magneto_X]

Using someone's name to promote your event without their consent is illegal and can get you in a looooot of leggagle trouble.

That's never stopped Olney before.

[Darediva]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/orcafresh/MySpace/DBUG75.jpg

Picture makes even less sense.

Looks like someone really has a bug up his ass.

[Draconomicon]

Just a suggestion.
Dont attack the creation there.
This Devil Bug.
While Olney has his fingers in it, its been drawn and colored by Jason Dube (I think).

We know he will screw over this artist, like he did with everything else, but if he actually DOES come here, and read what you people have to say, he will take Olneys side, simply because you attack his art :X

Please, keep that in mind

[Danny Donovan]

Just a suggestion.
Dont attack the creation there.
This Devil Bug.
While Olney has his fingers in it, its been drawn and colored by Jason Dube (I think).

We know he will screw over this artist, like he did with everything else, but if he actually DOES come here, and read what you people have to say, he will take Olneys side, simply because you attack his art :X

Please, keep that in mind

Don't get me wrong, I am not attacking the art, merely offering a critique of it. Is there some "ribbing" going on? Yes, but it's not at the expense of Jason Dube, or his skills, or anything else of the kind. It's of the "creative genius" of Rick Olney based on his previous works.

We've had similar fun with the work Jim Taylor and Jeff Austin posted from their work with TLE properties but we never did it at the expense of Jim or Jeff.

The point I was making here was a marketing on, not a critisisim of Jason's skills, but the choices that Rick made in what he asked for, and for his guidence in the property.

So this is not a knock against Jason but against Rick's "publishing empire dreams"

Critizisim isn't always a bad thing, it's how we grow and adapt.

[Gail Simone]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/orcafresh/MySpace/DBUG75.jpg

Picture makes even less sense.

It looks like he's farting a pinata.

Gail

[Reverend Smooth]

Wrong f-word, Gail. XD

[Darediva]

I'm not attacking Jason Dube either. Like Danny noted, we have had some fun with a lot of art on here, not dissing the artist.

I'm sorry if someone took it that way. Just trying to be a little humorous.

[Reverend Smooth]

Hey, I can take it. If people want to criticize my work, go right ahead. I've done some stuff I'd laugh at now because I was working for someone else and gave them what they wanted.

I'm not treating Mr. Dube any different from the way I expect to be treated. XD

[DaveRothe]

It looks like he's farting a pinata.

Gail

That would explain my urge to whack Orcy with a stick! Thanks Gail!:D

[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

In January I sent out a survey via myspace asking one simple question with no preface.

"What do you know about Rick Olney?"

I received dozens of replies. Some humorous, some downright scary.

Here's one I finally received permission to re-post. This happened back in the Summer of 2003.



Geez, I am beginning to think this guy is a megalomaniac as well as sociopathic. At least concerning the comics medium. What utter arrogance. Permission!?! WTF!

I mean think about it. He attacks all established publishers, big and small. He attacks other creators, big and small. He attacks all other comic sites, big or small. The nut wants it ALL for himself. The King of comicdom. What a sad, sad little man.

[KevinTBrown]

It looks like he's farting a pinata.

Gail

I take offense of that comparison for all the farting piñatas out there...

[Sarah Beach]

I think the problem with the picture is that the "speed lines" all indicate motion away from us, in spite of the action pose of the foreground figure. Hence, and Gail said, it looks like he's farting a pinata.

The "speed lines" run contrary to what the rest of the composition is trying to tell us.

[Sarah Beach]

Geez, I am beginning to think this guy is a megalomaniac as well as sociopathic. At least concerning the comics medium. What utter arrogance. Permission!?! WTF!

I mean think about it. He attacks all established publishers, big and small. He attacks other creators, big and small. He attacks all other comic sites, big or small. The nut wants it ALL for himself. The King of comicdom. What a sad, sad little man.

No, no, no, John! I think you misunderstand Tom. The post is a quote from a third party who had dealings with Olney, who does not want his/her name made public at this time, but who finally agreed to let Tom post the comments. That permission.

I don't think anyone cares to much now about what the paramecium will or will not permit.

[the4thpip]

No, no, no, John! I think you misunderstand Tom. The post is a quote from a third party who had dealings with Olney, who does not want his/her name made public at this time, but who finally agreed to let Tom post the comments. That permission.

I don't think anyone cares to much now about what the paramecium will or will not permit.

Sarah, after Olney got the guy fired, he had the nerve to email him and ask him how he dared start his own site without Olney's permission.

At least that is how I understood the story. And I think having dealt with crazy people professionally helped.

[Danny Donovan]

No, no, no, John! I think you misunderstand Tom. The post is a quote from a third party who had dealings with Olney, who does not want his/her name made public at this time, but who finally agreed to let Tom post the comments. That permission.

I don't think anyone cares to much now about what the paramecium will or will not permit.


No Sarah, he was talking about the part where Rick asked the guy why he didn't ask permission before he made his PopThought website.

[Danny Donovan]

No money owed but... In 2003 I wrote reviews and did interviews for Slushfactory.com and site owner Brian Jacks. Rick Olney tried recruiting me to write for him, even going so far as to offer me money to do so.

At the time I was both happy at Slushfactory and doing my own thang building a website, so I had no interest in working for Olney.

I had no idea that had I he'd never have paid. So, he started posting at Slushfactory's forums that Brian Jacks, whom he called Jack because he apparently does not understand the difference between first and last names, must eat watermelon because he is black and shit like that. Brian warned him.

Then Rick Olney sent me a number of private messages, that
Brian read (as site administator) that seemed to show that Olney had hired me and that I was leaving Slush. All not the least bit true.

Olney then was banned for another forum indiscretion and then turned to writing me dozens of letters how the he thinks Jack was wrong, and that Olney is a pariah undeservedly.

Then when there was a lull in my activity at Slushfactory (then afterwards UGO.com) because I was working on a number of long term works and posting articles at two sites Brian let me go saying Slush was moving on and that I could work for Olney.

He likely did not believe it since it never thereafter happened but Olney poisoned that well.

When I started my site Olney wrote me asking me what was going on and why did I not get his permission to start my own site and why didn't I tell him before hand... then began posting politically charged posts at my forums which all ended up being deleted, and him being
banned.


Olney is likely bipolar and needs help. But it won't come from me.

I did read the thread but I try not to post in too many places, and least of all in a thread involving Olney since he still, likely knows my email address. .


madness.. madness I say!

[JTPencils]

None of ya get it. It's supposed to be Rick's world, and we're just supposed to suffer in it.

Ha!

(more of my nonsense)

[JTPencils]

I'm sure Cesar will post it up here later, but he got two more emails from Sir Vile today. One basically stating that Cesar had joined the ranks of "you'll rue the day", as we all have... basically stating that he didn't realize that Cesar was going to make the emails public here (you GO Cesar... don't let the cockroach hide in the shadows any longer)... as well as telling him that he was now added to the legal suit... AND to never contact Sir Vile again.

Later he got another email from Stinkpot, asking if it was possible to settle this amicably. I'm sure after seeing his history for that... not just in his own case, but in SO many others here... Cesar isn't going to be fooled (again).

The only thing putrid pants will ever keep... is delaying. He probably hopes he can delay for the rest of our natural lives, and then wait til our work goes into public domain... and then he can use it without fear of having to actually pay for any of it. (could there be a sinister plot to his devices? Nah, he's just NOT that bright).

Plus, I happen to know that Cesar really WAS a Marine. So it's time to get gung ho... and hold to those traditions of honor and duty... things that pRickly seems to have either forgotten (or never learned).

[Sarah Beach]

No Sarah, he was talking about the part where Rick asked the guy why he didn't ask permission before he made his PopThought website.

Duh, me! :) Right. I forgot that part of the story. Which is a very telling point. The paramecium seemed to think that all his (unwanted, unsolicited) emails about the guy working for him, meant that the guy was working for him. While undermining the guy's current relationship.

The scummiest of pond scum. You know who I mean.

[Inkpot1965]

Don't get me wrong, I am not attacking the art, merely offering a critique of it. Is there some "ribbing" going on? Yes, but it's not at the expense of Jason Dube, or his skills, or anything else of the kind. It's of the "creative genius" of Rick Olney based on his previous works.

We've had similar fun with the work Jim Taylor and Jeff Austin posted from their work with TLE properties but we never did it at the expense of Jim or Jeff.

The point I was making here was a marketing on, not a critisisim of Jason's skills, but the choices that Rick made in what he asked for, and for his guidence in the property.

So this is not a knock against Jason but against Rick's "publishing empire dreams"

Critizisim isn't always a bad thing, it's how we grow and adapt.

If you can't take a little criticism or at least a little ribbing, you won't make it in much of any field.

[Inkpot1965]

Are you trying to say Jeff doesn't have etching for me to see?! :eek:

~Bev

I have a huge box of etchings, just waiting for the right pirate to come along.

[Danny Donovan]

Duh, me! :) Right. I forgot that part of the story. Which is a very telling point. The paramecium seemed to think that all his (unwanted, unsolicited) emails about the guy working for him, meant that the guy was working for him. While undermining the guy's current relationship.

The scummiest of pond scum. You know who I mean.

It's exactly what killed Ritchey's Green Lama at AC. It's amazing that he didn't learn from it back in '03 or whenever it was, that just a year or so later he tried the same crap with Jimmy.

Also again if you notice it falls under the racist qualities again (the watermelon cracks to an african-american.)

I would just outright DARE him to try that crap somewhere other than online. Could you imagine him saying something like that to ChrisCross? BOOM.

How this man has got to age 53 is staggering.

[JTPencils]

It's exactly what killed Ritchey's Green Lama at AC. It's amazing that he didn't learn from it back in '03 or whenever it was, that just a year or so later he tried the same crap with Jimmy.

Also again if you notice it falls under the racist qualities again (the watermelon cracks to an african-american.)

I would just outright DARE him to try that crap somewhere other than online. Could you imagine him saying something like that to ChrisCross? BOOM.

How this man has got to age 53 is staggering.



That's no lie Danny.

I asked Cesar earlier today, if Rick had ever realized that Cesar was NOT Italian. I'm surprised he didn't demand to see a green card from him!!!

Bigoted swine.

Don't get me wrong, Cesar is proud of his heritage (and should be) and we bust chops about it back and forth between us... but it's never in a mean spirited effort like the vile one does.

[DarrenCawsey]

In January I sent out a survey via myspace asking one simple question with no preface.

"What do you know about Rick Olney?"

I received dozens of replies. Some humorous, some downright scary.

Here's one I finally received permission to re-post. This happened back in the Summer of 2003.

No money owed but... In 2003 I wrote reviews and did interviews for
Slushfactory.com and site owner Brian Jacks. Rick Olney tried recruiting
me to write for him, even going so far as to offer me money to do so. At
the time I was both happy at Slushfactory and doing my own thang building
a website, so I had no interest in working for Olney. I had
no idea that had I he'd never have paid. So, he started posting at
Slushfactory's forums that Brian Jacks, whom he called Jack because he
apparently does not understand the difference between first and last
names, must eat watermelon because he is black and shit like that. Brian
warned him. Then Rick Olney sent me a number of private messages, that
Brian read (as site administator) that seemed to show that Olney had hired
me and that I was leaving Slush. All not the least bit true. Olney then
was banned for another forum indiscretion and then turned to writing me
dozens of letters how the he thinks Jack was wrong, and that Olney is a
pariah undeservedly. Then when there was a lull in my activity at
Slushfactory (then afterwards UGO.com) because I was working on a number
of long term works and posting articles at two sites Brian let me go
saying Slush was moving on and that I could work for Olney. He likely did
not believe it since it never thereafter happened but Olney poisoned that
well.

When I started my site Olney wrote me asking me what was going on and
why did I not get his permission to start my own site and why didn't I
tell him before hand... then began posting politically charged posts at
my forums which all ended up being deleted, and him being
banned.

Olney is likely bipolar and needs help. But it won't come from me.

I did read the thread but I try not to post in too many places, and least
of all in a thread involving Olney since he still, likely knows my email
address.


After reading the above story and Caesar’s story, as well as the myriad of other issues brought to light in this thread (not forgetting Rick's bizarre responses), I can't help but think that he has some serious mental health issues.

Now I'm not trying to be snarky towards him, even though he no doubt deserves much more than snarkiness, and I have had no dealings with Rick myself so this isn't a personal thing, but I honestly believe that he is quite clearly disturbed.


I remember back to when we were talking about Dennis and his friendship with Rick. Whether being friendly with someone who had acted immorally and unethically reflected well on you, and whether a responsibility to stand up for what's right outweighed your personal relationship with them. I don't want to re-hash that as I believe everyone made their feelings clear on that, but on a similar note....


He has family, and at least some friends still, such as Dennis (who seems to be reverting to the old 'fingers in the ear' "la-la-la can't hear you!" response to the effects of Rick's behaviour), shouldn’t they be trying to get him some help?

Doesn't being someone’s friend or family imply a responsibility to step in when this kind of thing is going on? Or is Rick too good at hiding it from casual observers? Maybe those who have met Rick in the past can comment, but surely those people who are around Rick on a regular basis would notice that he might benefit from some professional help.



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[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

Duh, me! :) Right. I forgot that part of the story. Which is a very telling point. The paramecium seemed to think that all his (unwanted, unsolicited) emails about the guy working for him, meant that the guy was working for him. While undermining the guy's current relationship.

The scummiest of pond scum. You know who I mean.

Nanny Nanny Boo Boo!

Boy, that felt good. I mean I never get to do that to Sarah, she is so damn right all of the time. ;)

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Geez, I am beginning to think this guy is a megalomaniac as well as sociopathic. At least concerning the comics medium. What utter arrogance. Permission!?! WTF!

I mean think about it. He attacks all established publishers, big and small. He attacks other creators, big and small. He attacks all other comic sites, big or small. The nut wants it ALL for himself. The King of comicdom. What a sad, sad little man.

The Whale's behavior has all the earmarks of being a 'Malignant Personality', which is the trendy term for someone who suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Ergo: Paranoia, Megalomania and Sociopathy go hand in hand--this kind of person regards others as evil objects out to harm him, with a complete incapacity for empathy--he IS the only real person in the universe. In any exchange with 'non-entities' he is always a victim, and often makes threats in self-defense. They are very good at pretending to have emotions. It's like having some sort of 'Sadist Gene'. Their emotional outbursts are for effect, only. While most Sociopaths never go on murderous rampages--your next door neighbor could be one--most are noticeably 'Poisonous' and psychologically abusive. Undetected or not, most who reach adulthood invariably tortured small animals as a child, and committed at least one heinous felony before the age of eighteen--either 'covered up' by his family, or buried in some 'unsolved crime' file.

[NatGertler]

It looks like he's farting a pinata.Just when I thought comicdom was running out of new superpowers...

[Matt Doc Martin]

I'm a dog person.


:D

What? You want me to kill a dog?

Still $169 under my base goal.

I will look for puppies.

When Rick gets arrested for not having paid any of his court settlements, can we make him walk the plank?

Completely symbolic of course, wouldn't want the sharks to get indigestion..


One way or another, Rick will pay.

You can hide, cockroach...but you will pay.

First 100 people to pay admission to the June Mighty MiniCon on the 24th get a FREE DEVIL-BUG t-shirt! XXL size only!

And remember: Save the receipts from your payments. You won't actually SEE your money back when he cancels the con, but at least you will have it for the memories of money wasted.

[Sarah Beach]

Just when I thought comicdom was running out of new superpowers...

LOL!

"He can capture or divert children with the greatest of ease: he FARTS PINATAS!"

Heh.

[illustrationelectric]

"creationally" is NOT a word. Just thought you would want to know stinker.

[Reverend Smooth]

Undetected or not, most who reach adulthood invariably tortured small animals as a child, and committed at least one heinous felony before the age of eighteen--either 'covered up' by his family, or buried in some 'unsolved crime' file.
I dunno, part of that might be skewed because the people that shrinks tend to treat and make case studies of are the most pathologised. I'm sure that there are many people who express their violence in different ways other than the overt.

Olney, say.

[Danny Donovan]

The Whale's behavior has all the earmarks of being a 'Malignant Personality', which is the trendy term for someone who suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Ergo: Paranoia, Megalomania and Sociopathy go hand in hand--this kind of person regards others as evil objects out to harm him, with a complete incapacity for empathy--he IS the only real person in the universe. In any exchange with 'non-entities' he is always a victim, and often makes threats in self-defense. They are very good at pretending to have emotions. It's like having some sort of 'Sadist Gene'. Their emotional outbursts are for effect, only. While most Sociopaths never go on murderous rampages--your next door neighbor could be one--most are noticeably 'Poisonous' and psychologically abusive. Undetected or not, most who reach adulthood invariably tortured small animals as a child, and committed at least one heinous felony before the age of eighteen--either 'covered up' by his family, or buried in some 'unsolved crime' file.

Remember he did claim to steal comics from local newsstands.

Not a smoking gun but it was a crime.

[Papergirl]

I have a huge box of etchings, just waiting for the right pirate to come along.
Now THERE'S a pick-up line, if I ever heard one! ;)

~Bev

[Sarah Beach]

Posted on the MMC mySpace page--
First 100 people to pay admission to the June Mighty MiniCon on the 24th get a FREE DEVIL-BUG t-shirt! XXL size only!

Sooooo.... he doesn't have 100 people with paid admissions yet? Heh. And one size only (because having shirts made in a size he can't wear...? that would be impractical).

On other matters, regarding sociopathic behavior.....

Back at Christmas time, one of the posts he deleted, he talked about Christmases past, when he was growing up. He talked about a toy gun he got at one point that came with four plastic bullets and six (I think) brass ones. And the gun could actually "fire" (propel) the plastic bullets at people. He really liked that gun. He then went on to describe how he had taken some of his mother's straight pins, and pushed them through the plastic bullets, so that a bit of the point would stick out of the tip of the bullet. And then he'd fire them at his younger sisters - because they were "always getting in his stuff".

Like being hit by a plastic bullet isn't going to sting in itself.

He did say that the plastic bullets disappeared rather quickly. I read that as he figured they'd just gotten lost in the house somehow. But I suspected that his sisters (or his mother) had hidden them away.

He recounted this story as if it were a gleeful "boys will be boys" thing. I was appalled by it.

[Papergirl]

What? You want me to kill a dog?

Still $169 under my base goal.

I will look for puppies.

Got one right here for you, hon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/Papergirl2hc/Misc/060705pet_lg.jpg

Go bid higher, folks. Or the puppy buys a bullet to his cute little head.

~Bev

[Papergirl]

Sooooo.... he doesn't have 100 people with paid admissions yet? Heh. And one size only (because having shirts made in a size he can't wear...? that would be impractical).

On other matters, regarding sociopathic behavior.....

Back at Christmas time, one of the posts he deleted, he talked about Christmases past, when he was growing up. He talked about a toy gun he got at one point that came with four plastic bullets and six (I think) brass ones. And the gun could actually "fire" (propel) the plastic bullets at people. He really liked that gun. He then went on to describe how he had taken some of his mother's straight pins, and pushed them through the plastic bullets, so that a bit of the point would stick out of the tip of the bullet. And then he'd fire them at his younger sisters - because they were "always getting in his stuff".

Like being hit by a plastic bullet isn't going to sting in itself.

He did say that the plastic bullets disappeared rather quickly. I read that as he figured they'd just gotten lost in the house somehow. But I suspected that his sisters (or his mother) had hidden them away.

He recounted this story as if it were a gleeful "boys will be boys" thing. I was appalled by it.
I would be willing to bet that a lot of pets in the area "disappeared" when he was growing up, too...

~Bev

[Danny Donovan]

I AM SO GODDAMN GULLIBLE!

Again, I thought Matt was just making a fat joke.

Then, I go to the MMC Myspace page and THAT IS ANOTHER OFFER HE'S MAKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sonovabitch.

The line between making fun of someone and reporting on an actual bit of news gets blurrier by the day.

:p

[AIPman1]

Just a suggestion.
Dont attack the creation there.
This Devil Bug.
While Olney has his fingers in it, its been drawn and colored by Jason Dube (I think).

We know he will screw over this artist, like he did with everything else, but if he actually DOES come here, and read what you people have to say, he will take Olneys side, simply because you attack his art :X

Please, keep that in mind

you're talking about a guy that went into a yahoogroup whose membership pays to be members (CAG), and told them they should all join his group and go to his meetings because it will be free. Jason Dube is Olney's lap dog, they belong together. He has no couth.

[Larry Dixon]

He has family, and at least some friends still, such as Dennis ... shouldn’t they be trying to get him some help?
... Doesn't being someone’s friend or family imply a responsibility to step in when this kind of thing is going on?

We are all being helpful.

The state provides free mental health counseling for prison inmates.

[Matt Doc Martin]

I AM SO GODDAMN GULLIBLE!

Again, I thought Matt was just making a fat joke.

Then, I go to the MMC Myspace page and THAT IS ANOTHER OFFER HE'S MAKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sonovabitch.

The line between making fun of someone and reporting on an actual bit of news gets blurrier by the day.

:p

No fat joke. Just Olney making more wild claims.

I want that bastard to pay SOOOO bad.

you're talking about a guy that went into a yahoogroup whose membership pays to be members (CAG), and told them they should all join his group and go to his meetings because it will be free. Jason Dube is Olney's lap dog, they belong together. He has no couth.


Dube is an idiot. The only thing that makes me happy is knowing he will get fucked over for his stupidity.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Got one right here for you, hon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/Papergirl2hc/Misc/060705pet_lg.jpg

Go bid higher, folks. Or the puppy buys a bullet to his cute little head.

~Bev

See how helpful people can be?

[Sarah Beach]

See how helpful people can be?

Especially the ones that address you as "hon"?? :D

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Remember he did claim to steal comics from local newsstands.

Not a smoking gun but it was a crime.

To a 'Malignant Personality', that would only be a crime after a Magic Talking Fish told you it was.:D

Seriously, though--I'll double-damn guarantee ya, if that's the worst Rick would confess to, after all we've seen here, he's likely done much worse than petty theft. It would not be something he'd brag about. All conjecture and a 'feeling', but If I were state law enforcement, I'd check unsolved capital offenses in surrounding counties from about 35-38 years ago. It would be someone smaller and weaker.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Especially the ones that address you as "hon"?? :D

I think she does that with a lot of people.;)

[Papergirl]

I think she does that with a lot of people.;)
Yeah. I so call everyone hon. It's a habit of mine. Really.

~Bev

[JTPencils]

Now THERE'S a pick-up line, if I ever heard one! ;)

~Bev

Jeff's in no shape to pick up anything. Anything heavier then a brush pen or a quill.. and he's hernia bound. I'M TELLING YA!!

[Inkpot1965]

Now THERE'S a pick-up line, if I ever heard one! ;)

~Bev

Thee flashes of the signal lantern at the midnight watch. ;)

[JTPencils]

Thee flashes of the signal lantern at the midnight watch. ;)

Is that supposed to be "three"???

One if by land, two if by sea type of thing?

[Inkpot1965]

Jeff's in no shape to pick up anything. Anything heavier then a brush pen or a quill.. and he's hernia bound. I'M TELLING YA!!

But what a way to go.....:D

[Inkpot1965]

Is that supposed to be "three"???

One if by land, two if by sea type of thing?

You're just mad cause I reminded everybody you're married. :p

[JTPencils]

You're just mad cause I reminded everybody you're married. :p


Nahhhhhhhhh... I never deny it!! When you find someone special like my Susie... you announce it proudly. (waves again)

[TomStillwell]

Duh, me! :) Right. I forgot that part of the story. Which is a very telling point. The paramecium seemed to think that all his (unwanted, unsolicited) emails about the guy working for him, meant that the guy was working for him. While undermining the guy's current relationship.

The scummiest of pond scum. You know who I mean.

That's the really funny part, Sarah. He's claiming that there was no work for hire contract between himself and Ronee because it was all just e-mail agreement.

Yet when he sends e-mails to people about working for him THEN it constitutes a work for hire contract...even when they say NO.

[Reverend Smooth]

The idea was that, since this guy wouldn't work for him, he was going to undermine his credibility with the people he WAS working for, not that he actually believed it.

This was sabotage, not delusion.

[Danny Donovan]

The idea was that, since this guy wouldn't work for him, he was going to undermine his credibility with the people he WAS working for, not that he actually believed it.

This was sabotage, not delusion.

I'm tellin' y'all its:

http://www.club-sabotage.cz/party/1159539595/logo/logo.jpg

and yes it is. :p

[MacQuarrie]

Great minds think alike.:D BTW I want to announce I am copyrighting the name Insect-Demon. He is going to be red and look exactly like a manga version of Venom with Wonder Woman's Invisible Jet behind him.

Announce it all you like. Just be aware that (as has been said a bunch of times) you can't copyright a name or title. That's trademark law.

[THEDOC]

In January I sent out a survey via myspace asking one simple question with no preface.

"What do you know about Rick Olney?"

I received dozens of replies. Some humorous, some downright scary.

Here's one I finally received permission to re-post. This happened back in the Summer of 2003.


No money owed but... In 2003 I wrote reviews and did interviews for
Slushfactory.com and site owner Brian Jacks. Rick Olney tried recruiting
me to write for him, even going so far as to offer me money to do so. At
the time I was both happy at Slushfactory and doing my own thang building
a website, so I had no interest in working for Olney. I had
no idea that had I he'd never have paid. So, he started posting at
Slushfactory's forums that Brian Jacks, whom he called Jack because he
apparently does not understand the difference between first and last
names, must eat watermelon because he is black and shit like that. Brian
warned him. Then Rick Olney sent me a number of private messages, that
Brian read (as site administator) that seemed to show that Olney had hired
me and that I was leaving Slush. All not the least bit true. Olney then
was banned for another forum indiscretion and then turned to writing me
dozens of letters how the he thinks Jack was wrong, and that Olney is a
pariah undeservedly. Then when there was a lull in my activity at
Slushfactory (then afterwards UGO.com) because I was working on a number
of long term works and posting articles at two sites Brian let me go
saying Slush was moving on and that I could work for Olney. He likely did
not believe it since it never thereafter happened but Olney poisoned that
well.

When I started my site Olney wrote me asking me what was going on and
why did I not get his permission to start my own site and why didn't I
tell him before hand... then began posting politically charged posts at
my forums which all ended up being deleted, and him being
banned.

Olney is likely bipolar and needs help. But it won't come from me.

I did read the thread but I try not to post in too many places, and least
of all in a thread involving Olney since he still, likely knows my email
address.


See, I said that a while back Rickey needs help and lots of it. I think Rick has the worst kind of the affliction and it might get him in some physical hotwater if he goes off against someone who might take him down physically and not legally.

[NatGertler]

Anyone notice that Rick doesn't even know the name of his new character, whether it's "Devil-Bug" or "Devil Bug" (or on the image, where it sure looks like it's "Devil -Bug".)
http://gertler.com/nat/gilf.gif

[DaveRothe]

That's the really funny part, Sarah. He's claiming that there was no work for hire contract between himself and Ronee because it was all just e-mail agreement.

Yet when he sends e-mails to people about working for him THEN it constitutes a work for hire contract...even when they say NO.

In OlneyWorld anything is possible Tom. It's an NDA! It's a contract! It's business! Now it's a hobby cause I owe money! See how it works?;)

[DaveRothe]

Anyone notice that Rick doesn't even know the name of his new character, whether it's "Devil-Bug" or "Devil Bug" (or on the image, where it sure looks like it's "Devil -Bug".)
http://gertler.com/nat/gilf.gif

Actually he's changed the name again to "Green Pinata Farter Bug" Nat. Ok not yet but I'm waiting till he reads this. Then he will.:)

[CutterMike]

Might have to have his Batman Underoos surgically removed at this point.

Eww-w-w-w...! I-i-i-i-ick...!

That was REALLY an image that I didn't need!

("If thy mind's eye offend thee... uh... h-m-m-m... Look, just wing it, okay...?" Doug 2:27)

[TomStillwell]

See, I said that a while back Rickey needs help and lots of it. I think Rick has the worst kind of the affliction and it might get him in some physical hotwater if he goes off against someone who might take him down physically and not legally.

I said this to someone earlier today and I'll restate it here.

Rick may well have some mental issues. As someone with a background in psychology, I'm going to say that those issues are not what motivates his behavior.

Rick is not a nice person. Why? Because he doesn't care about other people. If he wants something he doesn't care what damage he causes as long as he gets it. If he can, he'll con you. If he can't, he'll bully you. If can't do either of those he'll smear you. If he can't pay for something, he'll steal it.

He started off stealing comics as a kid and never stopped. The ends always justify the means for him. The people standing in between him and whatever he covets...they are unimportant...either to be duped or removed as needed.

Rick just lacks basic humanity. I shudder to think of the possibility that this person was given any kind of position where it was okay to shoot people.

[Koben Kelly]

I'm tellin' y'all its:http://www.club-sabotage.cz/party/1159539595/logo/logo.jpg


I can't stand it... I know ya planned it. I'ma set it straight, this Watergate.

(Danny, it just fits, don't it?)

[Gail Simone]

I'm not qualified to say if he's mentally ill. I have no idea.

But even if it's true, he should never, EVER be allowed to hold another creator's pay hostage. He should never be in ANY position in this industry where he is responsible for anyone's payment of any kind.

Gail

[Danny Donovan]

I can't stand it... I know ya planned it. I'ma set it straight, this Watergate.

(Danny, it just fits, don't it?)

I have to admit it does. :)

[CutterMike]

I think the problem with the picture is that the "speed lines" all indicate motion away from us, in spite of the action pose of the foreground figure. Hence, and Gail said, it looks like he's farting a pinata.

The "speed lines" run contrary to what the rest of the composition is trying to tell us.

From my limited experience with manga/anime, that seems to be a fairly common stylistic thing, the lines making a sort of "tunnel" effect for the Mach 5 to leap out of, and so on...

(Of course, it could be that it was just a way to avoid having to pay the animators for painting a background for the scene... but the concept is there.)

[DaveRothe]

I'm not qualified to say if he's mentally ill. I have no idea.

But even if it's true, he should never, EVER be allowed to hold another creator's pay hostage. He should never be in ANY position in this industry where he is responsible for anyone's payment of any kind.

Gail

Can I still poke at him with my Pinata stick Gail?:)

[DarrenCawsey]

Rick may well have some mental issues. As someone with a background in psychology, I'm going to say that those issues are not what motivates his behavior....

Rick just lacks basic humanity. I shudder to think of the possibility that this person was given any kind of position where it was okay to shoot people.


Horrifying thought isn't it?



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[Danny Donovan]

I'm not qualified to say if he's mentally ill. I have no idea.

But even if it's true, he should never, EVER be allowed to hold another creator's pay hostage. He should never be in ANY position in this industry where he is responsible for anyone's payment of any kind.

Gail

See Gail, that's the thing. As (ECWSuperfan and Doc will love this) The Rock would say:

"IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE'S MENTALLY ILL!"

The only thing that could give him any kind of a sympathetic out was if he was severely retarded and thus could not be made accountable for the "deals" he had. If he "couldn't understand" the ramifications of the contracts by reason of mental retardation it could be an excuse of sorts...

But just being plain vanilla crazy is not enough.

Just in case he is planning an insanity or stupidity defense.

Doesn't matter.

Don't care.

You still owe people paramecium. :p

[Paul Smith]

He treats his "employees" like indentured servants. WORSE, actually.

Fucking cockroach turd.

Paul, after hearing about the FAMILIES and CHILDREN he has ACTIVELY TRIED TO HURT, I can't see how anyone here can feel anything BUT uncontrolled rage and hatred for this slime bucket posing as a human. Yes, dragging its (I refuse to call the Dickless Wonder a "he" any longer, that would imply it's a man, or at least male, and we all know it's neither) family and children into it is wrong, I agree. However, the Dickless Wonder has MORE than earned every insult and bit of vitriol thrown at it and then some.

~Bev

I understand the rage. I don’t believe the hatred directed here towards Olney even begins to approach the hatred he’s earned. I can’t imagine how one human being could survive the punishment Olney deserves (and I like to think I’m an imaginative guy) However, my main interest is in drawing others to the cause.

As a non-victim, I just wanted to recount what did and didn’t get me to sign up, what almost drove me away, what brought me back. I believe rhetoric, such as Cesar’s, is the best way to spread the word. Has anyone here been more wronged than Cesar? Olney conspired, with premeditation and malice aforethought, to keep food from the mouths of Cesar’s hungry children. Cesar’s response? “This is NOT a nice man.” That was the worst of his invective. The rest was pure Dragnet, just the facts, Ma’am. It’s Cesar’s restraint that allows Olney’s evil to shine in all it’s horrifying and disgusting glory.

I believe the more calmly we react to Olney’s mission of destroying our children, ourselves and our industry, the better our chances of expelling him from the tribe and bringing others into the fold.

Hail, Cesar.

[Larry Dixon]

I'd like to share with you all what I just wrote to Cesar, because it sums up my feelings about the situation pretty well. (I offerred him some work too, just a smidge in the big picture, but I hope it helps) Anyway, this conveys my emotions about this all.

---------

Misty (Mercedes) and I say, in practically every interview or panel, that we may be pros but we are also still fans and we hope we always will be. We love the field, we love the stories, we love the readers, the in-jokes, the toys and the laughs.

We take it as an assault on what we love when a guy like this comes along.

What pisses us off SO much about this guy is not just that he screws people, but that he kills the laughter. He propogates negativity into what is, to us, a vibrant and joyful way of life. He sabotages peoples' hopes, as surely as cutting off a rose bush at the root destroys what flowering magnificence it might have brought.

This is why we oppose him---not just for what he does, but for the destructive effect on what -could- be. Creative people NEED high morale to give the world great things.

The guy does worse than steal: he poisons. Each time a creative soul, trying to make something remarkable, feels devalued, hurt or diminished, it prevents inspiration from rising. His actions do more than break hearts. Those reprehensible actions kill off new wonders from coming into a world that so very much needs things of beauty in it.

[Darediva]

I'd like to share with you all what I just wrote to Cesar, because it sums up my feelings about the situation pretty well. (I offerred him some work too, just a smidge in the big picture, but I hope it helps) Anyway, this conveys my emotions about this all.

---------

Misty (Mercedes) and I say, in practically every interview or panel, that we may be pros but we are also still fans and we hope we always will be. We love the field, we love the stories, we love the readers, the in-jokes, the toys and the laughs.

We take it as an assault on what we love when a guy like this comes along.

What pisses us off SO much about this guy is not just that he screws people, but that he kills the laughter. He propogates negativity into what is, to us, a vibrant and joyful way of life. He sabotages peoples' hopes, as surely as cutting off a rose bush at the root destroys what flowering magnificence it might have brought.

This is why we oppose him---not just for what he does, but for the destructive effect on what -could- be. Creative people NEED high morale to give the world great things.

The guy does worse than steal: he poisons. Each time a creative soul, trying to make something remarkable, feels devalued, hurt or diminished, it prevents inspiration from rising. His actions do more than break hearts. Those reprehensible actions kill off new wonders from coming into a world that so very much needs things of beauty in it.

Beautifully said, Larry. I'm just really sad that I didn't have enough nerve to actually talk to you guys last year at CAPE. Honestly, I am a shy person when it comes being around people with such fantastic talent as the folks at CAPE were last year, with even more of them to be around this year. I looked around and wondered why they even let me come play in the same sandbox.

But it certainly was a lot of fun, and I'm looking forward to meeting many more of you there this year. Holy crap, this will be awesome.

[Inkpot1965]

Eww-w-w-w...! I-i-i-i-ick...!

That was REALLY an image that I didn't need!

("If thy mind's eye offend thee... uh... h-m-m-m... Look, just wing it, okay...?" Doug 2:27)

Okay, his Scooby Doo Underoos.:p

[TomStillwell]

I believe the more calmly we react to Olney’s mission of destroying our children, ourselves and our industry, the better our chances of expelling him from the tribe and bringing others into the fold.

Quote for truth.

We aren't doing the cause of righteousness any good with swagger and chest thumping.

That just gives Olney a toe hold where he can point to the clueless and say...

"See?! I told you! Look at those bullies! It's an angry mob, a dogpile! It's not fair! I don't deserve it!"

Instead we need just hold up a mirrior to Olney and silently point. He'll do the rest.

[TomStillwell]

Double postage. Sorry.

[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

I'm not qualified to say if he's mentally ill. I have no idea.

But even if it's true, he should never, EVER be allowed to hold another creator's pay hostage. He should never be in ANY position in this industry where he is responsible for anyone's payment of any kind.

Gail

Oh I agree totally. His possible loony brain does not excuse or absolve him of any of his obligations. It just helps make some rudimentary sense of it all. So you folks keep up the good work.

[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

Beautifully said, Larry. I'm just really sad that I didn't have enough nerve to actually talk to you guys last year at CAPE. Honestly, I am a shy person when it comes being around people with such fantastic talent as the folks at CAPE were last year, with even more of them to be around this year. I looked around and wondered why they even let me come play in the same sandbox.

But it certainly was a lot of fun, and I'm looking forward to meeting many more of you there this year. Holy crap, this will be awesome.

That won't be an option with me this year, Darediva. I intend to seek you out to meet you and several others here. And it will be my honor to do so.

[Danny Donovan]

Quote for truth.

We aren't doing the cause of righteousness any good with swagger and chest thumping.

That just gives Olney a toe hold where he can point to the clueless and say...

"See?! I told you! Look at those bullies! It's an angry mob, a dogpile! It's not fair! I don't serve it!"

Instead we need just hold up a mirrior to Olney and silently point. He'll do the rest.

I totally understand what you're saying and respect the hell outta Paul for giving us insight into the mind of a guy who stumbled onto us from the outside. Not a YABSer, or a person who's been screwed, (at least by Olney) or knew someone personally affected by it.

I would like to say while I understand the sentiment it's been pretty well established the "BURN IN HELL YA BASTARD!" sentiments are mostly contained to this thread.

The Unscrewed! forum maintains a civil arena and when we do promotion or make contact with the outside world as it were we do stick to the facts.

I would like to say we did something very good now. I'm waiting to get permission to name names but I will say the fine folks at the accounting offices of Unscrewed (ie: Bev's laptop) cut a check for a fellow that needed help getting his case filed. It wasn't a ginormous amount or anything but it was something that was stopping him from proceeding with a continued assault to collect on what's owed.

I would like to think we're doing good things. I KNOW we are. But I'd like to think as we go on, people will see this thread as merely rant central. Where friends get together and just shoot on the situation.

But the public face is seen as how we carry ourselves over on US! and the things we do with what we've created!

[Cam63]

It looks like he's farting a pinata.

Gail

Technically, a fart is invisible gas.

What you may've meant is, " It looks like he's shitting a pinata. "

[Darediva]

That won't be an option with me this year, Darediva. I intend to seek you out to meet you and several others here. And it will be my honor to do so.

The honor is all mine.

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Misty (Mercedes) and I say, in practically every interview or panel, that we may be pros but we are also still fans and we hope we always will be. We love the field, we love the stories, we love the readers, the in-jokes, the toys and the laughs.

We take it as an assault on what we love when a guy like this comes along.

What pisses us off SO much about this guy is not just that he screws people, but that he kills the laughter. He propogates negativity into what is, to us, a vibrant and joyful way of life. He sabotages peoples' hopes, as surely as cutting off a rose bush at the root destroys what flowering magnificence it might have brought.

This is why we oppose him---not just for what he does, but for the destructive effect on what -could- be. Creative people NEED high morale to give the world great things.

The guy does worse than steal: he poisons. Each time a creative soul, trying to make something remarkable, feels devalued, hurt or diminished, it prevents inspiration from rising. His actions do more than break hearts. Those reprehensible actions kill off new wonders from coming into a world that so very much needs things of beauty in it.

This is so dead on. I haven't been victimized by this guy, but the gall of a guy like this doing what he's done to so many people bothers me for many of the same reasons. He's poison and deserves to be defanged. What I don't understand is why someone would want to do this to anyone. The world has enough pain...why add more to it?

JP

[Gail Simone]

I understand the rage. I don’t believe the hatred directed here towards Olney even begins to approach the hatred he’s earned. I can’t imagine how one human being could survive the punishment Olney deserves (and I like to think I’m an imaginative guy) However, my main interest is in drawing others to the cause.

As a non-victim, I just wanted to recount what did and didn’t get me to sign up, what almost drove me away, what brought me back. I believe rhetoric, such as Cesar’s, is the best way to spread the word. Has anyone here been more wronged than Cesar? Olney conspired, with premeditation and malice aforethought, to keep food from the mouths of Cesar’s hungry children. Cesar’s response? “This is NOT a nice man.” That was the worst of his invective. The rest was pure Dragnet, just the facts, Ma’am. It’s Cesar’s restraint that allows Olney’s evil to shine in all it’s horrifying and disgusting glory.

I believe the more calmly we react to Olney’s mission of destroying our children, ourselves and our industry, the better our chances of expelling him from the tribe and bringing others into the fold.

Hail, Cesar.

I'm going to sue you and beat you up.

Gail

[JamesRitcheyIII]

OK--I counted to 2500. It's just been ticking in my head...Matt...Ian...

The rabid and pointless attacks on Jason Dube have got to stop. Personally, I don't give a fuck if he 'abandoned' CAG (which is pretty pointless--literally and metaphorically--CAG is a GREAT idea with no teeth--and a local constituency in a distant metro area from Dube--ZERO focus on having an actual national GUILD--establishing meetings, etc.), and decided to form his own little clique/gathering in Sacramento. He's an artist (he could work for any animation studio in North America based on the inks for that very amateur drawing) who needs to learn to do art, who's likely had so much smoke blown up his ass by Olney, that he floats like a dirigible--enough to want to start his own group as a 'pro' in Cali. Despite the 'hemming and hawing' of diagnoses, Rick's a CON ARTIST. 'Blaming the victim' pisses me off, as someone he sabotaged--I can't begin to imagine how those he actually owes money to feel about Dube being called a 'dumb sucker who deserves what he gets'--Rick targeted smart people, blind with hope.

Ian, Matt--you're right, most of the time, and it's a miracle to behold--but I'm a card-carrying MENSAN who was suckered into trusting Rick, and it takes an 'Eidetic Thinker' (whose IQs are always well above average) to begin to draw comics.

Naivety is NOT stupidity, and the poor kid is gonna ask for some promised money, after doing a shitload of work, and not receive it. I wonder if YABS alienating the shit out of him is the way to go, to prevent that...

[Gail Simone]

I honestly haven't got a thing against the guy, and I'd rather not see negative comments about him until such time as he's earned them, which will hopefully be never.

I just think it's weird that that dude is farting a pinata, that's all. I actually like that illustration a lot better than his other work, but that green bug guy is definitely farting out a papier mache animal filled with toys and candy.



The focus of this thread is Rick, and it's easy to assume that anyone standing next to him is bad, too, but he's fooled a lot of people with his willingness to outright lie. I ask again that we not talk about his daughters or some probably very nice person who might attend his con, unknowing what kind of 'man' Rick is.

Gail

[Linkara]

I honestly haven't got a thing against the guy, and I'd rather not see negative comments about him until such time as he's earned them, which will hopefully be never.

I just think it's weird that that dude is farting a pinata, that's all. I actually like that illustration a lot better than his other work, but that green bug guy is definitely farting out a papier mache animal filled with toys and candy.



The focus of this thread is Rick, and it's easy to assume that anyone standing next to him is bad, too, but he's fooled a lot of people with his willingness to outright lie. I ask again that we not talk about his daughters or some probably very nice person who might attend his con, unknowing what kind of 'man' Rick is.

Gail

Agreed. Let's save our venom for the guy who truly deserves it - the guy who deprives children of food and makes racist, bigoted comments while holding a tenuous grip on the English language, not the guys who mistakenly choose to associate themselves with him.

[Larry Dixon]

We shouldn't judge, until we know if it's an EVIL ass-pinata, is what Gail's saying.

[Cam63]

Ah, go rescue someone.

[Linkara]

Ah, go rescue someone.

*Goes and rescues Peeg from some ninja zombies somewhere.*

[Cam63]

She was doing well without ya, so it don't count !

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Naw, Gail--that isn't a pinata! In Rickyverse, instead of gerbils, they use giant 'Blue Beetle Vehicle' looking ticks.

I dunno--I don't have a reverent bone in my body (except one--I'm a Thelemite:D:D:D), and I'll ridicule particulars of Dube's style in front of his face (that hand creeps me out--it's freakishly/badly structured), but those guys doin' the whole 'thou art either with us or against us' puritanical bullshit a few pages back indicates to me a disrespect for those who have been suckered, by someone whose entire focus in life is suckering people. Nobody expects a remorseless psychotic to do what this asshole has done, and to so many, and for so long, with virtually no recognition or reprisal--when compared to the emotional damage he's caused. Artists are drawn to positive reinforcement, and Dube's gettin' it.. Dennis comes to mind as someone who should be nailed to something. I wouldn't respect a good friend who didn't speak up when he thought I was fucking up.

[Cam63]

*Watches as Bev cleans up yet another horde of ninja wankers without raising so much as a sweat*

[Larry Dixon]

*Watches as Bev cleans up yet another horde of ninja wankers without raising so much as a sweat*

Ninja Wankers: You Never See Them Coming.



....thank you. *bows*

[Larry Dixon]

Okay, now I feel kinda dirty.

[Papergirl]

Okay, now I feel kinda dirty.
Yes, you should feel dirty after THAT pun. :p

~Bev

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Yes, you should feel dirty after THAT pun. :p

~Bev

a 'Ninja Wank' should be in the fourth auction, along with Gail beating Paul Smith. Volunteers?

[Larry Dixon]

Only at YABS could we go from a serious and important discussion about culpability, blame and ethics into the phrase "ass pinata" in mere seconds.

[Cam63]

a 'Ninja Wank' should be in the fourth auction, along with Gail beating Paul Smith. Volunteers?

You're on yer own there, son !

[Cam63]

Only at YABS could we go from a serious and important discussion about culpability, blame and ethics into the phrase "ass pinata" in mere seconds.

Other forums look on with envy.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

You're on yer own there, son !

YOU brought it up. The one Ninja I ever knew died from the side effects of too much masturbation.

[Cam63]

Ninja Wankers: You Never See Them Coming.



....thank you. *bows*

You get a beer for that pun.

...Now, get thee hence !

[Cam63]

YOU brought it up. The one Ninja I ever knew died from the side effects of too much masturbation.

Blew his head off ?

[Paul Smith]

I'm going to sue you and beat you up.

Gail

Oh yeah? well ... I got a hundred pair of stretch socks!

Smitty

[Cam63]

That's some big arse centipede you got there, mate.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Oh yeah? well ... I got a hundred pair of stretch socks!

Smitty
I'm serious--some convention promoter would likely pay BIG MONEY in the next auction to see that.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Blew his head off ?

Don't be obnoxious. Diabetes-related heart failure (from too much masturbation), of course!

[Larry Dixon]

Don't be obnoxious. Diabetes-related heart failure (from too much masturbation), of course!

---looks around desperately---
My insulin!!!

[JamesRitcheyIII]

---looks around desperately---
My insulin!!!

If my friend, Anthony R. Wood were still here, he would say:

"Just say no to the combination of Ninjitsu, Diabetes and chronic, constant masturbation. OH!!! And liver and renal system-killing amounts of alcohol".

[singoalla]

What? You want me to kill a dog?

Still $169 under my base goal.

I will look for puppies.

What? no! I ah.. uh.. that's not what I meant! erm.. bugger.

[singoalla]

The Whale's behavior has all the earmarks of being a 'Malignant Personality', which is the trendy term for someone who suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Ergo: Paranoia, Megalomania and Sociopathy go hand in hand--this kind of person regards others as evil objects out to harm him, with a complete incapacity for empathy--he IS the only real person in the universe. In any exchange with 'non-entities' he is always a victim, and often makes threats in self-defense. They are very good at pretending to have emotions. It's like having some sort of 'Sadist Gene'. Their emotional outbursts are for effect, only. While most Sociopaths never go on murderous rampages--your next door neighbor could be one--most are noticeably 'Poisonous' and psychologically abusive. Undetected or not, most who reach adulthood invariably tortured small animals as a child, and committed at least one heinous felony before the age of eighteen--either 'covered up' by his family, or buried in some 'unsolved crime' file.

This is how I know the world is real. If it were all in my head there's no way I'd have the ability to think up a sub-plot this complex! Or waste the brainpower on a turd like this..

[singoalla]

Got one right here for you, hon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/Papergirl2hc/Misc/060705pet_lg.jpg

Go bid higher, folks. Or the puppy buys a bullet to his cute little head.

~Bev

Fluffy!!!

:*(

[the4thpip]

"creationally" is NOT a word. Just thought you would want to know stinker.

Stop being mean to Flying Spaghetti Monsters!

[JamesRitcheyIII]

This is how I know the world is real. If it were all in my head there's no way I'd have the ability to think up a sub-plot this complex! Or waste the brainpower on a turd like this..

I've been fascinated with abnormal psychology since I was 14, when I read 'The Seven Percent Solution' by Nicholas Meyer (after reading all the Conan Doyle books and jonesing fer more Sherlock--BAAAD). I actually practiced the 'Joseph Bell" style of inference early on (I'm a human lie detector--being kind of a tragic gift), and have always been an obsessive student by observation. I proceeded to read any psychology, anthropology or sociology book I could get a hold of from that time on. I don't have a degree in shit, but a former girlfriend once said that I taught her more about Carl Jung in two days than she learned the whole time while obtaining a Masters.

You could get my earlier diagnosis from any psych textbook--and it fits. It doesn't rationalize what Rick does, it just says 'why'. I'm into 'why', neck-deep. Malignant Personalities, to quote Quentin Tarantino, 'know right and wrong--[they] just don't care.' They are incurable.

Rick is a douchebag, but Rick is also a monster, waiting to be revealed in his real atrocity.

[JTPencils]

Oh yeah? well ... I got a hundred pair of stretch socks!

Smitty

Ahhh yes Paul... but how many of those socks have holes in them??

[the4thpip]

We shouldn't judge, until we know if it's an EVIL ass-pinata, is what Gail's saying.

The Evil Ass-Piñatas was the name of my punk rock band in kindergarten.


Edit: And "Ninja Wankers Cum Alive" would have been the title of our first album.

[Sparvid]

He recounted this story as if it were a gleeful "boys will be boys" thing. I was appalled by it.
Are you sure that he didn't "recant" it? :p

[TomStillwell]

a 'Ninja Wank' should be in the fourth auction, along with Gail beating Paul Smith. Volunteers?

Ninja Wank was the band I fronted in college.

[AIPman1]

OK--I counted to 2500. It's just been ticking in my head...Matt...Ian...

The rabid and pointless attacks on Jason Dube have got to stop.
I did not attack. I reacted to something offensive. I was not the only CAG member that felt his posting on their group was tasteless, and uncouth. I'm just the only one that pointed it out HERE
Personally, I don't give a fuck if he 'abandoned' CAG (which is pretty pointless--literally and metaphorically--CAG is a GREAT idea with no teeth

no teeth? What's that supposed to mean? Since I started actively working with CAG The group has gone from a NY only thing to having chapters in 5 other cities, and plenty of room for more. CAG threw a huge party at that recent NY convention with live music and everything. No teeth? Pheh!!! Group's on the rise.

--and a local constituency in a distant metro area from Dube--ZERO focus on having an actual national GUILD--establishing meetings, etc.), and decided to form his own little clique/gathering in Sacramento.

Well perhaps he should have asked about starting the Sacramento chapter of CAG. CAG LA is doing great. Instead, he chose to be insulting.

He's an artist (he could work for any animation studio in North America based on the inks for that very amateur drawing) who needs to learn to do art, who's likely had so much smoke blown up his ass by Olney, that he floats like a dirigible--enough to want to start his own group as a 'pro' in Cali. Despite the 'hemming and hawing' of diagnoses, Rick's a CON ARTIST. 'Blaming the victim' pisses me off, as someone he sabotaged--I can't begin to imagine how those he actually owes money to feel about Dube being called a 'dumb sucker who deserves what he gets'--Rick targeted smart people, blind with hope.

if a person chooses to ingor evidence presented to them, then they are no longer innocent. They are choosing to be party.

Ian, Matt--you're right, most of the time, and it's a miracle to behold--but I'm a card-carrying MENSAN who was suckered into trusting Rick, and it takes an 'Eidetic Thinker' (whose IQs are always well above average) to begin to draw comics.

I'm not even going to state MY IQ, god! how egotistical is THAT.

Naivety is NOT stupidity, and the poor kid is gonna ask for some promised money, after doing a shitload of work, and not receive it. I wonder if YABS alienating the shit out of him is the way to go, to prevent that...

I think we've established that he's already been warned, and therefore, is no longer NIEVE. Look, I didn't say a WORD about him, his art, or his working with Olney the whole conversation along those lines, all I did was point out something VERY OFFENSIVE that he did.

And call him a Lap Dog....cause that's how he is behaving.

[KevinTBrown]

Ninja Wank was the band I fronted in college.

Yeah, but drummer was always just a beat off....

[AIPman1]

I honestly haven't got a thing against the guy, and I'd rather not see negative comments about him until such time as he's earned them, which will hopefully be never.

I just think it's weird that that dude is farting a pinata, that's all. I actually like that illustration a lot better than his other work, but that green bug guy is definitely farting out a papier mache animal filled with toys and candy.



The focus of this thread is Rick, and it's easy to assume that anyone standing next to him is bad, too, but he's fooled a lot of people with his willingness to outright lie. I ask again that we not talk about his daughters or some probably very nice person who might attend his con, unknowing what kind of 'man' Rick is.

Gail

If my pointing out Dube's atempt to create a group that competes with other groups for creator's attentions isn't poignant to this thread, let me know. but we already know from Tim's statements, that Rick helped start the ICC SPECIFICALLY to destroy the SPA. That he's got someone working for him creating a new group, by trying to steal CAG members, does indeed seem to fit into Onley-influenced patterns. No?

[Flamebird]

Ahhh yes Paul... but how many of those socks have holes in them??

hopefully, they all do.

How else could he put them on?

[TonyIsabella]

Posted the latest version of my Olney warning today on Super Hero News, as a MySpace bulletin, as a ComicSpace bulletin, and on my message board:

I'm going to be posting this warning at least once a week because a week doesn't go by without someone else coming forward to tell of their experiences with Rick Olney. He has failed to pay freelancers for work he commissioned, often putting the families of those freelancers at risk. He has bullied, insulted, and threatened people with legal action for going public with his broken promises, failures to pay, and threats.

And he's still at it. Planning yet another convention, claiming that he plans to publish work that he's not paid for, trying to recruit naive young artists into working for him, creating a new comics club (Mohawk Valley) to give him another venue from which he can work his vileness, and on and on and on.

If you check the website listed below, you'll find a version of my warning that has been signed by dozens of legitimate comics professionals.

So, once again, here's my original warning about Rick Olney...

WARNING ABOUT RICK OLNEY

A message to all my friends and readers...

If you are approached by an individual named Rick Olney or a representive
of this man, if you are approached by Olney or anyone else representing
entities known as The Mighty Mini-Con, TightLip Entertainment, or ORCA, I
strongly urge you to run in the other direction. You can find more details
here:

http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/

Please, if you trust me, do not attempt to do business with Olney. In
fact, please pass along this warning to any comics professionals, aspiring
comics professionals, retailers, exhibitors, media guests, and fans you know.

Olney is not someone you want to do business with.

I'd hoped not to involve myself in this in such a public manner, but, with
Olney again advertising a convention and claiming that he is still planning
to publish comic books, the greater good demands I speak out.

Check out the website.

Tony Isabella

As always, you should feel free to repost it wherever you like, e-mail it to anyone you think needs to see it, put it on a t-shirt, recite it as a Sunday sermon, whatever.

Tony

[singoalla]

Ninja Wankers: You Never See Them Coming.



....thank you. *bows*


....

~thinks~

~scrolls to bottom of page and back up~

~thinks some more~

I don't get....

...

.....oooooh

laffas :D


jokes in english can be a bastard sometimes

[singoalla]

I've been fascinated with abnormal psychology since I was 14, when I read 'The Seven Percent Solution' by Nicholas Meyer (after reading all the Conan Doyle books and jonesing fer more Sherlock--BAAAD).


Sherlock gives me warm fuzzies. Is this Nicholas Meyer fellow any good?



You could get my earlier diagnosis from any psych textbook--and it fits. It doesn't rationalize what Rick does, it just says 'why'. I'm into 'why', neck-deep. Malignant Personalities, to quote Quentin Tarantino, 'know right and wrong--[they] just don't care.' They are incurable.

Rick is a douchebag, but Rick is also a monster, waiting to be revealed in his real atrocity.

What I get nearly as angry about as hearing families losing money, is his complete and utter denial of having done anything wrong.

No matter what, everyone has a choice in whatever they do or will do. Rick's chosen to steal and lie and cheat people out of money for years! He knows he's done the wrong thing! And he still keeps up this ridiculous facade of being a victim and being on the side of the righteous.

He takes no responsibility for anything!

He's not even a smart nemesis. He's just some dumb, unemployed fat person who gets his jollies being a bully. It's impossible to respect someone like that, even if he did end up willingly pay the people he owes.

[Inkpot1965]

Only at YABS could we go from a serious and important discussion about culpability, blame and ethics into the phrase "ass pinata" in mere seconds.

Why does that phrase make me think of someone in prison?

[Inkpot1965]

Oh yeah? well ... I got a hundred pair of stretch socks!

Smitty

Better watch it. Rick is right now thinking of a way to scam those from you to replace his old, worn out sock puppets.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

I did not attack. I reacted to something offensive. I was not the only CAG member that felt his posting on their group was tasteless, and uncouth. I'm just the only one that pointed it out HERE
no teeth? What's that supposed to mean? Since I started actively working with CAG The group has gone from a NY only thing to having chapters in 5 other cities, and plenty of room for more. CAG threw a huge party at that recent NY convention with live music and everything. No teeth? Pheh!!! Group's on the rise.

Well perhaps he should have asked about starting the Sacramento chapter of CAG. CAG LA is doing great. Instead, he chose to be insulting.

if a person chooses to ingor evidence presented to them, then they are no longer innocent. They are choosing to be party.

I'm not even going to state MY IQ, god! how egotistical is THAT.


I think we've established that he's already been warned, and therefore, is no longer NIEVE. Look, I didn't say a WORD about him, his art, or his working with Olney the whole conversation along those lines, all I did was point out something VERY OFFENSIVE that he did.

And call him a Lap Dog....cause that's how he is behaving.

Look, I've seen at least three mass 'gang-slanders' of people on the internet since I've been on it--and two of the subjects of them I KNOW have been completely innocent. Who the fuck are you or me, or anyone in this forum to this guy? Think about it. Rick's told him we're a bunch of cyberbullies and disgruntled rejects, and Rick has no doubt offered him his dream--something a lot of us here fell for. Come to think of it, I'm rather certain many here were convinced by our good buddy Rick that you were an undermining bastard, out to destroy our pal Rick and all of comicdom, at one point. I've certainly changed my mind, but you are kinda grating with this Puritanical, blustering, dogmatic BS--especially since you apparently were JUST as snowed as any of us, at some point. We can shove all the facts of the shit that is Rick in Dube's face, but calling him an asshole, a lapdog, whatever, might put him on the defensive a little bit--to the point where he might be disinclined to believe us, don't you think?

I didn't know CAG required a blood oath of eternal fealty, to become a member, but I'm not much of a 'joiner', and wouldn't be interested in a group who would restrict my autonomy to the degree you're describing. Would I have to quit the ACLU to join? That 'my way or the highway', 'thou shalt have no other clubs before me' bullshit is for herd animals.

But--back to reality--I'm glad they have expanded, are doing good things, give good parties, and wish them all the best.

[Inkpot1965]

Are you sure that he didn't "recant" it? :p

I can see Rick's next anthology. The host's name will be the Recanter.

[AIPman1]

Look, I've seen at least three mass 'gang-slanders' of people on the internet since I've been on it--and two of the subjects of them I KNOW have been completely innocent. Who the fuck are you or me, or anyone in this forum to this guy? Think about it. Rick's told him we're a bunch of cyberbullies and disgruntled rejects, and Rick has no doubt offered him his dream--something a lot of us here fell for. Come to think of it, I'm rather certain many here were convinced by our good buddy Rick that you were an undermining bastard, out to destroy our pal Rick and all of comicdom, at one point. I've certainly changed my mind, but you are kinda grating with this Puritanical, blustering, dogmatic BS--especially since you apparently were JUST as snowed as any of us, at some point. We can shove all the facts of the shit that is Rick in Dube's face, but calling him an asshole, a lapdog, whatever, might put him on the defensive a little bit--to the point where he might be disinclined to believe us, don't you think?

No, in fact, I don't think that. See the difference is, NOW: The evidence is EVERYWHERE. It was easy to ignor a warning about rick when there was no evidence to look at. But if you Ignor this thread, and ignor the Unscrewed site, and ignor Tony Isabella's warnings, and ignor everywhere ELSE that's reported on this, then you do indeed deserve whatever is coming. If someone had pointed me to the kind of organized protest that Unscrewed has become, I NEVER whould have accepted Olney into the SPA, nor given him the benefit of the doubt I did when I was indeed warned. A good person verifies warnings with evidence. I had none. Jason does.

I didn't know CAG required a blood oath of eternal fealty, to become a member, but I'm not much of a 'joiner', and wouldn't be interested in a group who would restrict my autonomy to the degree you're describing. Would I have to quit the ACLU to join? That 'my way or the highway', 'thou shalt have no other clubs before me' bullshit is for herd animals.

I NEVER said that CAG was trying to restrict Jason Dube in any way. He wants to start a group GREAT!!! go form it. But would you not be offended if you were in a group that organizes things like this:

Just making it official: on April 20th (Friday) @2pm we have been invited to check out Mirage Studios in Nothampton MA. (birthplace of TMNT). Steven Murphy (Managing Editor) has been gracious enough to let our group come in for an educational field trip. Now I know some of you would have preferred a Saturday or Sunday but their offices are only open m-f 8-4. By
having the trip later that day on a Friday we can go out to Modern Myths or go the Brewery after. I am going to leave work early to be up there for this. I hope this is enough notice for some of you. If you seriously want to go please let me know ASAP. I want to predict how many of us will be walking through up there. (It was not clarified that this is a portfolio review) just a walk through.
Thanks,

Keith J. Murphey
Comicbook Artists Guild (CAG)
www.comicartguild.com

that you pay dues to be a member of...and some guy walks in on your yahoo group and says "Hey, join MY group, cause it's FREE" I'm sorry, many people took offense to it. I think rightfully so.

But--back to reality--I'm glad they have expanded, are doing good things, give good parties, and wish them all the best.
And hey, I wish you the best too. I know you have the right INTENTION...and I'm not TRYING to single out Jason Dube, if he hadn't done something offensive, I wouldn't have reported it. I had nothing at all to say about any of the rest of things, not about his art, not about him at all...until he actually did something that was really and truely offensive. I'll be happy to agree we disagree here...and I've already said EVERYTHING I wanted to about what Jason Dube did, so I'm not going to keep this going just to argue.

I have tried to stick to facts thoughout my participation in this thread.

[NatGertler]

that you pay dues to be a member of...and some guy walks in on your yahoo group and says "Hey, join MY group, cause it's FREE" I'm sorry, many people took offense to it. I think rightfully so.You may want to note that many of us are taking offense, and I think rightfully so, at your using this thread to attack Jason.
If you have issues with the way he posts on the CAG forum, that would seem the more appropriate place to discuss it.

[TomStillwell]

No, in fact, I don't think that. See the difference is, NOW: The evidence is EVERYWHERE. It was easy to ignor a warning about rick when there was no evidence to look at. But if you Ignor this thread, and ignor the Unscrewed site, and ignor Tony Isabella's warnings, and ignor everywhere ELSE that's reported on this, then you do indeed deserve whatever is coming. If someone had pointed me to the kind of organized protest that Unscrewed has become, I NEVER whould have accepted Olney into the SPA, nor given him the benefit of the doubt I did when I was indeed warned. A good person verifies warnings with evidence. I had none. Jason does.

I NEVER said that CAG was trying to restrict Jason Dube in any way. He wants to start a group GREAT!!! go form it. But would you not be offended if you were in a group that organizes things like this:


that you pay dues to be a member of...and some guy walks in on your yahoo group and says "Hey, join MY group, cause it's FREE" I'm sorry, many people took offense to it. I think rightfully so.

And hey, I wish you the best too. I know you have the right INTENTION...and I'm not TRYING to single out Jason Dube, if he hadn't done something offensive, I wouldn't have reported it. I had nothing at all to say about any of the rest of things, not about his art, not about him at all...until he actually did something that was really and truely offensive. I'll be happy to agree we disagree here...and I've already said EVERYTHING I wanted to about what Jason Dube did, so I'm not going to keep this going just to argue.

I have tried to stick to facts thoughout my participation in this thread.

Is Ignor like Igor's twin brother?;)

[AIPman1]

You may want to note that many of us are taking offense, and I think rightfully so, at your using this thread to attack Jason.
If you have issues with the way he posts on the CAG forum, that would seem the more appropriate place to discuss it.

And NO ONE else here thinks that Jason's starting a creator's group is in NO WAY related to Olney?

Hey man, I'll gladly shut the fuck up and go away - But I think you're ignoring a very real development in Olney's plans to keep screwing more people.

Am I really the only one seeing that? Or is this a "you're pros and we're small press" thing.

god the egos in here piss me off.

[AIPman1]

Is Ignor like Igor's twin brother?;)

forgive me

[Gail Simone]

Naw, Gail--that isn't a pinata! In Rickyverse, instead of gerbils, they use giant 'Blue Beetle Vehicle' looking ticks.

I dunno--I don't have a reverent bone in my body (except one--I'm a Thelemite:D:D:D), and I'll ridicule particulars of Dube's style in front of his face (that hand creeps me out--it's freakishly/badly structured), but those guys doin' the whole 'thou art either with us or against us' puritanical bullshit a few pages back indicates to me a disrespect for those who have been suckered, by someone whose entire focus in life is suckering people. Nobody expects a remorseless psychotic to do what this asshole has done, and to so many, and for so long, with virtually no recognition or reprisal--when compared to the emotional damage he's caused. Artists are drawn to positive reinforcement, and Dube's gettin' it.. Dennis comes to mind as someone who should be nailed to something. I wouldn't respect a good friend who didn't speak up when he thought I was fucking up.


That hand thing...I figured it must be intentional. It can't possibly represent a human hand, can it? I figured it must be a bug hand. It never came to me that it might be meant to represent a real hand.

Huh.

Gail

[Papergirl]

And NO ONE else here thinks that Jason's starting a creator's group is in NO WAY related to Olney?

Where, exactly, has anyone here said that? Seriously, I must have missed it somewhere. I could have SWORN I read posts from others agreeing with you on that point.

Hey man, I'll gladly shut the fuck up and go away - But I think you're ignoring a very real development in Olney's plans to keep screwing more people.

Ian, have you ever heard the expression about drawing more flies with honey than with vinegar? It applies here. I know that if *I* was Jason and someone kept slamming me on a PERSONAL LEVEL and calling me such endearing terms as a lapdog, I would NOT be inclined to listen to a damn thing they had to say. No matter HOW much evidence is out there. And, frankly, MOST people wouldn't listen under those circumstances.

Am I really the only one seeing that? Or is this a "you're pros and we're small press" thing.

No, that's not what's being said. I know I'm asking a lot here, but... Now will you STOP putting words in people's mouths and read what is ACTUALLY written? And stop overreacting to every single imagined slight?

god the egos in here piss me off.

Pot, kettle, black.

Everytime someone DARES to disagree with you, Ian, you get your panties in a twist and start launching into Oh-So-Wounded-And-Offended hyperbole. Knock it off. You're not doing your case any good.

Then again, I'm simply a comics fan. What would *I* know?

~Bev

[Gail Simone]

Oh yeah? well ... I got a hundred pair of stretch socks!

Smitty

Hey, now, I thought we agreed not to talk about your 'girlfriends!'

Gail

[TomStillwell]

Hey, now, I thought we agreed not to talk about your 'girlfriends!'

Gail

Oooooo...low blow, Gail. Low blow.

But funny. Kudos. Sorry, Paul.

[Gail Simone]

If my pointing out Dube's atempt to create a group that competes with other groups for creator's attentions isn't poignant to this thread, let me know. but we already know from Tim's statements, that Rick helped start the ICC SPECIFICALLY to destroy the SPA. That he's got someone working for him creating a new group, by trying to steal CAG members, does indeed seem to fit into Onley-influenced patterns. No?

I wasn't referring to you, Aipman, I was referring to others who seemed to be bashing the guy just for the Olney connection.

Gail

[AIPman1]

Ian, have you ever heard the expression about drawing more flies with honey than with vinegar? It applies here. I know that if *I* was Jason and someone kept slamming me on a PERSONAL LEVEL and calling me such endearing terms as a lapdog, I would NOT be inclined to listen to a damn thing they had to say. No matter HOW much evidence is out there. And, frankly, MOST people wouldn't listen under those circumstances.

Well, the guy OBVIOUSLY chose to ignor warnings against olney when he REPORTED those warnings to Olney. But I can be wrong, that's fine

Pot, kettle, black.

WHATEVER - All I did was point some things out, then I have people telling me how high their IQ is, and how no one wants to hear what I say. Fuck that. I don't need to fit in here. I'll just watch.

Everytime someone DARES to disagree with you, Ian, you get your panties in a twist and start launching into Oh-So-Wounded-And-Offended hyperbole. Knock it off. You're not doing your case any good.
~Bev
I don't give a damn about how I come across. I thought the forming of a group by an Olney employee was important news here. I've found out different, I'm done. IF I gotta apologize for calling the guy a lap dog, I will. But NOTHING ELSE that I said was intended to be ANYTHING other than reporting. I wasn't doing it for credit. I'll defend my position where it needs be, but this "stop it Ian" bullshit I don't understand. If I did ANYTHING that other people don't do here on a daily basis, point it out. Otherwise, I'm fully ready to drop the subject. You can go back to the beetle butt jokes. I'm just keepin it real, K?

[AIPman1]

I wasn't referring to you, Aipman, I was referring to others who seemed to be bashing the guy just for the Olney connection.

Gail

No problem. If interested in continued developments about Dube's CAG thing...he's since apologized for how he came in, and is talking to Keith about possibly starting the CAG chapter for his area.

I'll be the first to apologize for the Lap Dog statement if I'm wrong...but I still smell SOMETHING going on behind things there. I've smelled that smell before. But there's that benefit of the doubt thing...we don't have all the facts about Jason Dube at this point.

Worth keeping tabs on though, I think.

[TCJohnson]

Dube's post in CAG was thoughtless and he should be called on it...but we don't know if it was mean spirited...and since he has apologized my guess was that it was not.

As for ignoring warnings...Gail Simone was warned plenty of times about Olney and she was still a guest at his convention. Ronee was warned plenty of times and she was still his employee.

Olney is probably stroking the guy's ego and offering him a "big break." That is powerful motivation to trust somebody.

If Dube does something wrong, yeah, call him on that...but I would also treat the guy like he is going to be in the same situation as other people in this thread eventually.

[Gail Simone]

No problem. If interested in continued developments about Dube's CAG thing...he's since apologized for how he came in, and is talking to Keith about possibly starting the CAG chapter for his area.

I'll be the first to apologize for the Lap Dog statement if I'm wrong...but I still smell SOMETHING going on behind things there. I've smelled that smell before. But there's that benefit of the doubt thing...we don't have all the facts about Jason Dube at this point.

Worth keeping tabs on though, I think.

I personally think what you said was fair game, considering the circumstances.

But I also see James' point, that the guy may not be a lap dog so much as uninformed, whether deliberately or not. I think your beef with his post made sense, it was the other stuff people said that I think may have been premature.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Dube's post in CAG was thoughtless and he should be called on it...but we don't know if it was mean spirited...and since he has apologized my guess was that it was not.

As for ignoring warnings...Gail Simone was warned plenty of times about Olney and she was still a guest at his convention. Ronee was warned plenty of times and she was still his employee.

Olney is probably stroking the guy's ego and offering him a "big break." That is powerful motivation to trust somebody.

If Dube does something wrong, yeah, call him on that...but I would also treat the guy like he is going to be in the same situation as other people in this thread eventually.

I was warned a couple times. I shoulda listened.

Gail

[Papergirl]

Well, the guy OBVIOUSLY chose to ignor warnings against olney when he REPORTED those warnings to Olney. But I can be wrong, that's fine

Yes, he chose to ignore the warnings. And after some of the crap that's been said here, can you honestly blame him? Add to that the fact that Olney HAD ALREADY FOOLED HIM AND TOLD HIM TO REPORT ANY E-MAILS HE RECEIVED.

Think about it-- You were once fooled by Olney, too. And, if people had attacked YOU on a personal level, would you have listened to a damn thing they said, or would you have continued to believe Olney? Be honest here.

WHATEVER - All I did was point some things out, then I have people telling me how high their IQ is, and how no one wants to hear what I say. Fuck that. I don't need to fit in here. I'll just watch.

Stop it. Please. Put him on ignore, if his posts bother you so much. Let me clarify a little: What MOST of us don't want to hear is about Jason being a "moron" "idiot" or "lapdog", or any OTHER personal slight on his character. We simply do NOT know enough about him to make those statements.

No one here is asking you not to post at all. In fact, as I said way back in this thread, I think you have a lot of great ideas. Whatever grudge-match crap you and others have should be taken off the board and dealt with privately.

Believe it or not, I do like BOTH you AND Jim. I think you're both great guys who have a lot to offer. But you seem to be stuck in this little vicious battle with each other. And that's just SAD to watch.

I don't give a damn about how I come across. I thought the forming of a group by an Olney employee was important news here. I've found out different, I'm done. IF I gotta apologize for calling the guy a lap dog, I will. But NOTHING ELSE that I said was intended to be ANYTHING other than reporting. I wasn't doing it for credit. I'll defend my position where it needs be, but this "stop it Ian" bullshit I don't understand. If I did ANYTHING that other people don't do here on a daily basis, point it out. Otherwise, I'm fully ready to drop the subject. You can go back to the beetle butt jokes. I'm just keepin it real, K?

Okay, I think you TOTALLY misunderstood what was being asked here. Let me break it down:

NO.
MORE.
PERSONAL.
ATTACKS.
ON.
JASON.
DUBE.

THAT is ALL that was being asked. Report all you want, but KEEP THE PERSONAL INSULTS OUT OF IT. No one here objects to the reporting of actual facts, Ian. In fact, that is strongly encouraged. NOWHERE has anyone said that you shouldn't.

~Bev

[TCJohnson]

I was warned a couple times. I shoulda listened.

Gail

But that doesn't make you an evil person, Gail.


I have a whole list of things that make you a evil person, but that isn't one of them.

[AIPman1]

If Dube does something wrong, yeah, call him on that...but I would also treat the guy like he is going to be in the same situation as other people in this thread eventually.
Just for people's insight: I spent years after banning Olney from the SPA in a VERY public and outright WAR with the guy, where friends were turned into enemies, and I had people who sided with me called ALOT orse than Lap Dog...although thinking of it now, Phil Clark (Quantum) was called that very thing by Olney on many occasions.

It's HARD to break free of the US Vs. THEM mentality that RULED the online small press/indy scene for YEARS. This is still a world of APPEARENCES, and right now, being an employ of Rick Olney makes you automatic suspect. The US Vs. THEM has become VERY one sided. Thankfully!!! After years, I'm glad to have the majority of the friends I lost in the war Olney FORCED on us, back on talking terms. That war is over...but it's effects are still there. Olney finally went too far, we can be thankfull, but we can't let up the pressure on him till he can't screw another family out of a meal. I can never get back the Christmas he stole from me...THE WAR cost me that...but I hope my insights here are indeed valuable to some.

[EdContradictory]

Ian, Matt--you're right, most of the time, and it's a miracle to behold--but I'm a card-carrying MENSAN who was suckered into trusting Rick, and it takes an 'Eidetic Thinker' (whose IQs are always well above average) to begin to draw comics.
I'm not even going to state MY IQ, god! how egotistical is THAT.

It's downright Surreal.

[AIPman1]

I personally think what you said was fair game, considering the circumstances.

But I also see James' point, that the guy may not be a lap dog so much as uninformed, whether deliberately or not. I think your beef with his post made sense, it was the other stuff people said that I think may have been premature.

Gail

Thanks...I'm REALLY not here to argue. I don't really have TIME! The Small Press Idol deadline is coming up fast, and we've got close to 60 contestants in for voting - put 6 new ones up TODAY. We've got new sponsors - blue line art has thrown in some of their products for the winners, it's just through the roof.

If I said anything that's out of line, I apologize.

[AIPman1]

Yes, he chose to ignore the warnings. And after some of the crap that's been said here, can you honestly blame him? Add to that the fact that Olney HAD ALREADY FOOLED HIM AND TOLD HIM TO REPORT ANY E-MAILS HE RECEIVED.

Think about it-- You were once fooled by Olney, too. And, if people had attacked YOU on a personal level, would you have listened to a damn thing they said, or would you have continued to believe Olney? Be honest here.
I already answered that. back when most of US were fooled, there WASN'T an UNSCREWED site with evidence to look at. I would have ran, seeing that.


Stop it. Please. Put him on ignore, if his posts bother you so much. Let me clarify a little: What MOST of us don't want to hear is about Jason being a "moron" "idiot" or "lapdog", or any OTHER personal slight on his character. We simply do NOT know enough about him to make those statements.

I've said all I need to say on that subject, I'm done till there's something to report.

No one here is asking you not to post at all. In fact, as I said way back in this thread, I think you have a lot of great ideas. Whatever grudge-match crap you and others have should be taken off the board and dealt with privately.

I reacted to posts that were posted HERE, telling me that I was wrong when I did not feel I was. I felt 100% in the right by speaking my mind. Here.

Believe it or not, I do like BOTH you AND Jim. I think you're both great guys who have a lot to offer. But you seem to be stuck in this little vicious battle with each other. And that's just SAD to watch.

I've got nothing against anybody. I don't hold grudges (with one notable exception) - but if someone calls me out, I will defend myself. Take it or leave it.

Okay, I think you TOTALLY misunderstood what was being asked here. Let me break it down:

NO.
MORE.
PERSONAL.
ATTACKS.
ON.
JASON.
DUBE.

THAT is ALL that was being asked. Report all you want, but KEEP THE PERSONAL INSULTS OUT OF IT. No one here objects to the reporting of actual facts, Ian. In fact, that is strongly encouraged. NOWHERE has anyone said that you shouldn't.

~Bev
You'll excuse me if I still feel very WARY of Jason Dube's intentions and activities, I'm sure.

[Papergirl]

Just for people's insight: I spent years after banning Olney from the SPA in a VERY public and outright WAR with the guy, where friends were turned into enemies, and I had people who sided with me called ALOT orse than Lap Dog...although thinking of it now, Phil Clark (Quantum) was called that very thing by Olney on many occasions.

It's HARD to break free of the US Vs. THEM mentality that RULED the online small press/indy scene for YEARS. This is still a world of APPEARENCES, and right now, being an employ of Rick Olney makes you automatic suspect. The US Vs. THEM has become VERY one sided. Thankfully!!! After years, I'm glad to have the majority of the friends I lost in the war Olney FORCED on us, back on talking terms. That war is over...but it's effects are still there. Olney finally went too far, we can be thankfull, but we can't let up the pressure on him till he can't screw another family out of a meal. I can never get back the Christmas he stole from me...THE WAR cost me that...but I hope my insights here are indeed valuable to some.
The thing is, in order for us to be any form of effective, we NEED to get rid of the US-VS-THEM mentality, no matter how difficult it may be. It's not small press-vs-big press. It's not us -vs- Olney's newest victims. It's Us -vs- OLNEY HIMSELF. That's it.

The thing to keep in mind is this: You were once in Dube's position-- Fooled and lied to by Olney into believing that your dreams were coming true.

To me, Dube is to be pitied, as we ALL know what's coming for him. He's most likely being told that he's "different" from the rest of you, more talented and special. Olney is probably stroking Dube's ego with more enthusiasm than said ego has ever been stroked before. And, for a newcomer to the business, that's a VERY powerful influence.

And, yes, Ian, for at least the third time: I DO VALUE YOUR INSIGHTS, AND I THINK YOU HAVE SOME GREAT IDEAS. I may not always agree with you, and I may call bullshit on things I disagree with, but that does NOT mean that I don't like you or have respect for you.

~Bev

[Gail Simone]

I like ninjas.

Gail

[AIPman1]

did anyone see olney's blurb on his orcafresh myspace, calling himself a "Marine's Marine"?

[JTPencils]

hopefully, they all do.

How else could he put them on?

A bonus ceegar for Flame fer getting that ancient one.

[TCJohnson]

did anyone see olney's blurb on his orcafresh myspace, calling himself a "Marine's Marine"?

How can you see it? I thought the thing was private.

[AIPman1]

it's in the name itself now.

[Papergirl]

I already answered that. back when most of US were fooled, there WASN'T an UNSCREWED site with evidence to look at. I would have ran, seeing that.

Okay, let me try putting it this way: If there had been an "Unscrewed"-type site around at the time, AND if the people supporting it and running it were insulting you on a PERSONAL level, would YOU have been eager to believe a word they said?

I've said all I need to say on that subject, I'm done till there's something to report.

Fair enough. Your choice.

I reacted to posts that were posted HERE, telling me that I was wrong when I did not feel I was. I felt 100% in the right by speaking my mind. Here.

Speaking your mind is all well and good. But, keep in mind that it looks bad for Unscrewed if people are bashing yet another victim simply for BEING a victim. You want us to stop Olney? Fine, try listening to what WE have to say once in a while. Sometimes there are very valid reasons for us asking what we do. In THIS case, the personal insults on Jason Dube make the entire Unscrewed project look bad to people just hearing about it. And that is the LAST thing we want.

I've got nothing against anybody. I don't hold grudges (with one notable exception) - but if someone calls me out, I will defend myself. Take it or leave it.

Defending yourself is fine and dandy. Hell, we ALL do that. But when you defend yourself to the point that you refuse to listen to anything anyone else says, and are reacting to insults that aren't even there, then yes, it IS time to take it to private channels.

You'll excuse me if I still feel very WARY of Jason Dube's intentions and activities, I'm sure.

Sure, be wary and keep an eye on him. No one has said differently. The only thing we're asking is to keep the personal insults out of it, Ian. Is that REALLY so hard to understand? I'm asking because I don't know how much simpler and clearer to make it, and if I'm not getting through, then I need to find another way to say it.

~Bev

[JTPencils]

Here's my thoughts on Jason Dube, and it's the last thing I'll mention about him.

Though he's been forewarned about slick and his ways, he's probably ALSO been prewarned by slick that he WILL hear things about him.... "and they're not true... I'm a helluva guy!". So... combining that with the fact that yeah, slick's probably offered him a "dream gig"... and pumped so much smoke up Dube's backside that he's the next biggest thing in comics, and how he's Dube's "Biggest fan"... It might be that he's going through this with blinders on.

Just because you warn someone about something... doesn't mean they'll listen or adhere to it. Look how many are told to wear their seatbelt and don't. Then what happens? They're in an accident or fender bender of some sort, and regretting that they didn't wear it. Or any one of a thousand scenario's where you're warned NOT to do or try it... but ya still do.

And yeah, we were all (OK, not all, but a good portion) of us were scammed by the same scenario. But if you really take a look back at when you FIRST came upon it. It probably seemed (and sounded) like a dream deal at the time. It wasn't until you had to go through the Olney gauntlet to realize just how much of a sham it was. Jason may very well have to have this same sort of experience. I'd say maybe he'll be different and get what's due him... but slick's past history is too much proof that he won't change his non paying, shifty ways. But Jason may have to learn that for himself (no matter HOW many times he's warned, in whatever fashion), and when he does, he'll want a place to turn to for a little solace and support. I would think that's where Unscrewed! and this forum here would help out. Instead of an "I told you so" mentality... it should be more of a "welcome to the club... we got reamed too!" thing, and help him from there.

As for his art style... I wouldn't buy it on a dare... but that's just personal taste. It has nothing to do with the person (as any artist with a decently thick skin who's ever gotten a harsh critique on his/her work should know by now). I'm just not a fan of his style.

That's my take on Jason Dube, and I'll now step down from my soapbox.

[Papergirl]

I like ninjas.

Gail
You like pirates, too. :)

I bet you even like that pesky knights faction.

~Bev

[TCJohnson]

Pirates hate Gail, though. Papergirl told me. Gails knock their ships off course.

[AIPman1]

Okay, let me try putting it this way: If there had been an "Unscrewed"-type site around at the time, AND if the people supporting it and running it were insulting you on a PERSONAL level, would YOU have been eager to believe a word they said?

My answer, again, is I would have run screaming if presented a website that has a timeline of Olney's lies. IF you're trying to get a "well I would HOPE I was smart enough to run" there it is too. I gotta see evidence to not give someone the benefit of the doubt. But presented with evidence....isn't that just logic? If something sounds too good to be true, and someone shows you the person is a liar with proof, you'd logically say, yeah, I guess that is too good to be true.


Speaking your mind is all well and good. But, keep in mind that it looks bad for Unscrewed if people are bashing yet another victim simply for BEING a victim. You want us to stop Olney? Fine, try listening to what WE have to say once in a while. Sometimes there are very valid reasons for us asking what we do. In THIS case, the personal insults on Jason Dube make the entire Unscrewed project look bad to people just hearing about it. And that is the LAST thing we want.
I wasn't insulting a victem...I was accusing of active participation. But I don't have any real evidence, so I won't call names. I think we've established that by now as well, and that's all there is to say until there is more actual development.
Defending yourself is fine and dandy. Hell, we ALL do that. But when you defend yourself to the point that you refuse to listen to anything anyone else says, and are reacting to insults that aren't even there, then yes, it IS time to take it to private channels.
I think I hear everything clear. If you want to prove I didn't, how about we take THAT off-board?

Sure, be wary and keep an eye on him. No one has said differently. The only thing we're asking is to keep the personal insults out of it, Ian. Is that REALLY so hard to understand? I'm asking because I don't know how much simpler and clearer to make it, and if I'm not getting through, then I need to find another way to say it.

~BevI think I've apologized for the lap dog thing more times than I actually said it, so I hope that's enough. Any more hoops for me to jump through to redeem myself?

[Papergirl]

Pirates hate Gail, though. Papergirl told me. Gails knock their ships off course.
Nah. The ONE thing us pirates agree with the ninjas on is that Gail ROCKS! :D

~Bev

[the4thpip]

did anyone see olney's blurb on his orcafresh myspace, calling himself a "Marine's Marine"?

I read that as "a Marie's Mary" and didn't think twice about it.

[Papergirl]

My answer, again, is I would have run screaming if presented a website that has a timeline of Olney's lies. IF you're trying to get a "well I would HOPE I was smart enough to run" there it is too. I gotta see evidence to not give someone the benefit of the doubt. But presented with evidence....isn't that just logic? If something sounds too good to be true, and someone shows you the person is a liar with proof, you'd logically say, yeah, I guess that is too good to be true.


I wasn't insulting a victem...I was accusing of active participation. But I don't have any real evidence, so I won't call names. I think we've established that by now as well, and that's all there is to say until there is more actual development.
I think I hear everything clear. If you want to prove I didn't, how about we take THAT off-board?
I think I've apologized for the lap dog thing more times than I actually said it, so I hope that's enough. Any more hoops for me to jump through to redeem myself?
Oh, for crying out loud. I give up. You win, Ian.

~Bev

[AIPman1]

Didn't know we were having a contest.

[KevinTBrown]

http://www.cruisefools.org/images/smilies/beatdeadhorse5.gif

[Tegan]

You'll excuse me if I still feel very WARY of Jason Dube's intentions and activities, I'm sure.

Absolutely! Be wary, be suspicious. But don't attack the guy until you have proof that he's not simply fallen under Olney's spell of egomania.

People will DIE while looking right at a cure if they've been told by a slick enough person to not believe the cure. It's one of those things about the human condition: tons of logic cannot get through to someone who has been primed to discount the logic.

Until we know that Jason isn't one of these guys that's going to look back on his time with Olney as "I really should've known better", give him the benefit of the doubt and treat him as someone who is "under the influence".

But that doesn't mean you have to listen to him. Just treat him with the respect you would give any other person who has been completely taken in by a good liar. He's not thinking with logic right now, if he was he already would have run screaming from Olney. So give him some time for the logic to kick in and in the meantime avoid being so nasty to him that you drive him into (*gag*) Olney's arms.

[singoalla]

Do we know if this Dube person has been offered payment? Or is he doing this work for free thinking it'll boost his career?

[AIPman1]

Absolutely! Be wary, be suspicious. But don't attack the guy until you have proof that he's not simply fallen under Olney's spell of egomania.

I'm going to assume the other I'm sorry posts I made cover this one as well. Where's that horse? C'mere fella, got another kick for ya.

sigh

[Danny Donovan]

Here's a little rule of thumb I always go by. If you're desperate to pick on SOMEONE, then pick on Ritchey. He is in fact Satan incarnate so you know he's used to it. :p

But seriously, Ian. Chill.

Did Rick come up with the ICC to try to usurp your SPA efforts? YES. He's said that 100 times on the forums, but you know what? Why the hell do you care? Since when did Rick ever do anything that was a success?

The only way he could have made it work was if he let DocA do his job or listened to Jim or myself when we gave him some DAMN GOOD IDEAS, ideas that fell on deaf ears and I took somewhere else for some very big results.

Jason mat or may not know what he's doing. He's an amature, from what I gathered doesn't have much in the way of printed materials. So he gets his money via commissions and setting up at cons etc. the man is trying to make a living like every damn one of us.

Rick's an asshole. Jason is going to find that out the hard way, starting a free group is far from being a sin against nature. To be honest I'd be more wary of the place that took "dues" since well... What does this other group do? What do they promise for your money?

Comics is not a certain business, Unscrewed is the closest thing to a "union" we have.

When Dube makes his mistake we have to be there to help him. Otherwise what is our group for?

So directy the hostility to Jim. He's used to it! ;)

[wishlish]

I like ninjas.

Gail

http://www.askaninja.com/

This is one of my favorite Intarwub things ever.

[wishlish]

I can see Rick's next anthology. The host's name will be the Recanter.

How can it be caled the ReCANTer? He CAN'T do anything in the first place!

(Eh, eh? See? Recant, Can't? Clever? Clever?

No?

Ah well.)

[AIPman1]

But seriously, Ian. Chill.

Why is everyone thinking I'm in any sort of uproar? I think I have posted in calm even tones. Me chill? Why isn't one apology enough?

Did Rick come up with the ICC to try to usurp your SPA efforts? YES. He's said that 100 times on the forums, but you know what? Why the hell do you care? Since when did Rick ever do anything that was a success?

It took me 3 years to rebuild the SPA into something worth being a member of again. Why should I CARE??????????????? I don't get it

To be honest I'd be more wary of the place that took "dues" since well... What does this other group do? What do they promise for your money?

The CAG dues pay for their anthology, for things like the field trip I posted about earlier, and - jeez...I don't REALLY have to defend a group's right to have DUES to be a member of it do I?

Hey, the SPA is FREE membership, but I work closely with CAG, and other groups. Common goals.

Anyway...I hope this is done.

[Tegan]

I'm going to assume the other I'm sorry posts I made cover this one as well. Where's that horse? C'mere fella, got another kick for ya.

sigh

Nah, I was agreeing with you, and trying to explain the failure of logic in the face of ego. I think you've apologized enough. Personally.

You make an extremely good point about all the evidence against Olney, and why Jason should be running away. I felt the need to address that point, as it really is hard to understand why anyone could ignore all the people saying, "WATCH OUT!" at this point in the game. That's why I beat on the poor horse a bit more.

[TomStillwell]

And now a word from our sponsor...

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[AIPman1]

Nah, I was agreeing with you, and trying to explain the failure of logic in the face of ego. I think you've apologized enough. Personally.

You make an extremely good point about all the evidence against Olney, and why Jason should be running away. I felt the need to address that point, as it really is hard to understand why anyone could ignore all the people saying, "WATCH OUT!" at this point in the game. That's why I beat on the poor horse a bit more.

I think the whole thing is a dead horse now, and everyone should just move on till something actually happens again. I'm done being sorry, been there, done that. non-topic.

Anyone have news of lawsuits? I might have missed it, but was there an official run-down of the 4 cases said to have been WON against Olney...I know what only 2 of them were...

[Draconomicon]

Anyone have news of lawsuits? I might have missed it, but was there an official run-down of the 4 cases said to have been WON against Olney...I know what only 2 of them were...

THAT is a good question.
I like to be gleeful about him getting what he deserves.

[EdContradictory]

Nah, I was agreeing with you, and trying to explain the failure of logic in the face of ego. I think you've apologized enough. Personally.
More than enough. I share your suspicions, too.

[Tegan]

Anyone have news of lawsuits? I might have missed it, but was there an official run-down of the 4 cases said to have been WON against Olney...I know what only 2 of them were...

(AOL) Me Too! (/AOL)

I'm really curious to know if any progress has been made that can be discussed.

And, here's a thought, I'm going to a convention in about a week, and I plan on warning all the artists/creators I see that may not already know about Olney, since I tend to bug everyone at a con. Is there a version of "The Letter" that is formatted to be printed out and given to people? I'm willing to try and print some up, if I can get my printer working again, and make copies down at the local copy shop to give out. Does anyone think that would be a good idea?

[KevinTBrown]

And now a word from our sponsor...

GO NOW! BID! UNSCREWED AUCTION!!! IT WILL MAKE YOU IMMORTAL OR YOUR MONEY BACK!!!*

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My clone will be there to collect. ;)

[TomStillwell]

My clone will be there to collect. ;)

Everyone knows clones have no legal rights. Just like chimps.

[TonyIsabella]

This Week's Empty Threat From Rick Olney 3/22/07

He's so predictable...

...this Olney guy who won't reveal the name of his so-called lawyers, who has already lost several lawsuits, who has yet to file a lawsuit against anyone, and who has yet to make good on his numerous debts to the numerous individuals discussed at the Unscrewed website.

I'm so scared.

Here's the latest from Delusional Town...

Mr. Isabella:

You going on the record publicly only solidifies my case against you.
So, by all means, libel yourself into that false sense of slanderous
security you're enjoying. Because, sir, your ride is nearly over!

For the record: I am STILL in business, with every intention of
hosting a small, yet friendly popular arts convention supported by
community and backed by business interests that continually wonder why
you don't float away due to an over abundance of hot air.

I do STILL have several comic books supported by RETAILERS (who I've
known for many years) which WILL see print before the end of THIS
year, so mark THAT on your calendar...

Regards,
Rick Olney

As I've said before...if Olney told me the world was round, I'd worry about people falling off the edges.

Next week: I still won't be scared and Olney will still be one of the most vile people I know.

[generaljackcosmo]

At this point I knw this has been discussed almost ad nauseum, but I am really starting to think that Olney suffers form some very real mental health problems.

He clearly suffers from dementia at the very least.

[Gail Simone]

I guess these are some of the retailers who HAVEN'T sued him yet.

Gail

[Blake Petit]

I do STILL have several comic books supported by RETAILERS (who I've known for many years) which WILL see print before the end of THIS year, so mark THAT on your calendar...


You know, I seem to recall hearing similar boasts back in July 2006...

:checks Diamond shipping lists:

Didn't think so.

[TomStillwell]

So, by all means, libel yourself into that false sense of slanderous
security you're enjoying.

How can you libel yourself? How can security even be slanderous?

[Danny Donovan]

You know, I seem to recall hearing similar boasts back in July 2006...

:checks Diamond shipping lists:

Didn't think so.

Don't be stupid Blake!

Diamond is far too small for Rick to deal with, they couldn't grasp the amazingness that is the magic talking fish, so obviously they are banes of the comic world.

Although funnily enough I actually AM talking to Diamond about Unscrewed! lets see if his books "in print" get there before the ads start running in diamond publications. :p

[Sarah Beach]

How can you libel yourself? How can security even be slanderous?

Exactly what I was wondering! Or what a "false sense of slanderous security" even is like!

I read that and thought, "Ooooo, the paramecium is trying to sound literate and is now trying to play with alliteration!" Not playing well, but trying. Very trying. ;)

[TomStillwell]

Is now a bad time for Rick to know that there's an ad for Unscrewed! in every Honor Brigade comic that get shipped from Diamond starting with issue #3?

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

And now a word from our sponsor...

GO NOW! BID! UNSCREWED AUCTION!!! IT WILL MAKE YOU IMMORTAL OR YOUR MONEY BACK!!!*

*Money back guarantee only collectable upon death by the purchaser. Offer void for next of kin.

:confused:

but...but...wouldn't that mean that there is no money back?

JP

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Mr. Isabella:

You going on the record publicly only solidifies my case against you.
So, by all means, libel yourself into that false sense of slanderous
security you're enjoying. Because, sir, your ride is nearly over!

For the record: I am STILL in business, with every intention of
hosting a small, yet friendly popular arts convention supported by
community and backed by business interests that continually wonder why
you don't float away due to an over abundance of hot air.

I do STILL have several comic books supported by RETAILERS (who I've
known for many years) which WILL see print before the end of THIS
year, so mark THAT on your calendar...

Regards,
Rick Olney

:confused: But...but...

You know I should be used to his confusing language by now. libeling yourself into a false sense of slanderous security? Who's he kidding?

I'm starting to fear the day where he does make sense.

I posted a little blog on Unscrewed and Olney on my Myspace. http://blog.myspace.com/immortalitysyndrome. I'm not Tony Isabella but every warning helps.

JP

[JTPencils]

I guess these are some of the retailers who HAVEN'T sued him yet.

Gail

No Gail... those are the RETAILERS that haven't yet caught him swiping the change out of the Jimmy Fund containers that are on the counters... OR... he's just grabbing up all the penny's that are usually in some plastic cup near the register at your local convenience store.

If he had any actual financial backing, he would have already been paying people.

And we know how THAT story goes.

BTW... WTF is a popular arts convention? Does that mean you can run into anyone from Yoko Ono to the T-shirt guy??

[JTPencils]

For shame Tony, you've gone and libeled your slander!!!

And he should know... he's got twin teams of legal terror on his side!!!

[Karl J Barnes]

Should I be ashamed that I get a big laugh out of what Olney posts? If so, will I be going to Hell?

[Stressfactor]

In all seriousness, I have this vision in my head of Olney actually managing to put together something that might, mostly resemble a comic book and then running off like 10 copies at Kinkos, stapling them, and convincing some shop to put a couple on their shelves.... where they will sit gathering dust.

*Technically* if he does this he will have "published something before the end of the year".

[Comcman]

Is now a bad time for Rick to know that there's an ad for Unscrewed! in every Honor Brigade comic that get shipped from Diamond starting with issue #3?

Well, sure, if you're willing to cowtoe to that 2nd rate comic distributor. He obviously has a much broader distribution plan in the works. Like on his myspace, but only to his friends since it's private.

[Danny Donovan]

BTW... WTF is a popular arts convention? Does that mean you can run into anyone from Yoko Ono to the T-shirt guy??

You know, I'd actually enjoy running into the t-shirt guy more. :p

Personally I think the "pop arts convention" is his way of trying to coin a phrase similar to ICV2 (the website for comics retailers) who call comic shops "Pop Culture Retailers" because it sounds fancier than "funny book sellers"

Also I think it's a way to avoid people going "why do you not have any comic book professionals at your comic book convention?"

It's not a comic convention! It's a Pop Art Convention! look, this escaped convict made this wonderful sculpture of campbells soup cans and his victims teeth. buy a shirt, or I'll sue you!

:p

[TomStillwell]

Maybe I should also mention to Rick that most of the people buying the big ticket items in the Unscrewed! auction are retailers?

They been following my posts in the CBIA (Comic Book Industry Alliance) Delphia forum. It's all retailers, publishers, distributors, and creators. They know all about Olney's monkeyshines.

So you better clean out the Olney Distribution Center (aka Van of Justice), prep the printers (box o' crayons) and ready the retailers willing to sell your books (Benny Leal), Rick.

Because no one with an ounce of brain cells will touch anything you could amazingly manage to produce. One, because you are a scumbag. Two, because your touch turns everything to fecal matter.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Well, sure, if you're willing to cowtoe to that 2nd rate comic distributor. He obviously has a much broader distribution plan in the works. Like on his myspace, but only to his friends since it's private.

Apparntly distribution by him means driving a shitload of comics around in the Van to comic shops. Trying to make them carry his line of comics.

[Sean_Jackson]

It amuses me to no end how he tries to cover his ass by saying he has 'every intention' of having an event happen... that way when it doesn't come to pass, he can say, 'But I WAAAAANTED to have one...'

[Danny Donovan]

I found Rick's lawyer!

http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20070322.gif

now where's my $1,000?

[Tegan]

So, by all means, libel yourself into that false sense of slanderous
security you're enjoying. Because, sir, your ride is nearly over!


Wow. That's just... wow. I'm impressed. I think my brain hurts. He actually spelled the words right, even if they make little sense in the order he put them in.

As for "your ride is nearly over", hasn't he been saying that since day one? Has anyone at all gotten anything from any lawyer? He can whine all he wants, it doesn't mean a thing. With four (?) judgments against him, and counting, he's got nothing to stand on.

My little cannabal brain can't handle my false sense of slanderous security. I think I'll go libel myself a little. rrrRRRrrr!

[Sean_Jackson]

You know, I'd actually enjoy running into the t-shirt guy more. :p

Personally I think the "pop arts convention" is his way of trying to coin a phrase similar to ICV2 (the website for comics retailers) who call comic shops "Pop Culture Retailers" because it sounds fancier than "funny book sellers"

Also I think it's a way to avoid people going "why do you not have any comic book professionals at your comic book convention?"

It's not a comic convention! It's a Pop Art Convention! look, this escaped convict made this wonderful sculpture of campbells soup cans and his victims teeth. buy a shirt, or I'll sue you!

:p
Now, this, http://www.capeday.com is how you do an event... gonna be off the hook... and has a history of success. And it covers comics and pop art.

Is it May yet?

[JTPencils]

You know, I'd actually enjoy running into the t-shirt guy more. :p

Personally I think the "pop arts convention" is his way of trying to coin a phrase similar to ICV2 (the website for comics retailers) who call comic shops "Pop Culture Retailers" because it sounds fancier than "funny book sellers"

Also I think it's a way to avoid people going "why do you not have any comic book professionals at your comic book convention?"

It's not a comic convention! It's a Pop Art Convention! look, this escaped convict made this wonderful sculpture of campbells soup cans and his victims teeth. buy a shirt, or I'll sue you!

:p

Danny, why is it I can see that scenario??

Fade In: Nearly deserted hallway of local "No Tell Motel" hidden behind the dumpsters of the recently closed down "Stuckeys".... we see a young person rifling thru one of the eight long boxes of comics in the entire "convention". Up behind him looms a portly sweating fellow, with a red face, and the slightest aroma of fish. Their voices echo slightly in the near empty space.

RO: Find anything you like?

Kid: Nah, I was hoping to get a copy of "Monster Squad", I read somewhere it was going to be out last year... but they don't seem to have it here.

RO: Well, maybe next convention lad (goes to pat the kid on the head, the kid flinches away as if kissed by a slug)... it will be a fine book when it's finally put together! You'll enjoy it!

Kid: Aren't you the guy in charge of this thing?

RO: Why yes son, I'm famed throughout the industry... many know me by name, and many by reputation... why do you ask?

Kid: I don't know... I just thought there'd be some artists here? I brought my sketch pad with me, I was hoping to get some new stuff...

RO: Silly fanboy, you won't find "comic book" artists here... this is a Pop Culture show... donchaknow?!

Kid: Pop culture?

RO: Certainly, bringing you the finest in inspiring work from all avenues and mediums. But if it's art you're looking for... there's two artists right over there... special guests of this convention... you could ask for one of them to draw in your sketch tablet.

Kid: One's got a bracelet on his ankle.. what's up with that?

RO: He's a victim of fashion... ignore it...

Kid: The other guy draws like my sister...

RO: Really?... well..

Kid: She's four.

RO: *choke*... I don't think you appreciate the true complexities of the artistic mi...

Kid: This really sucks, I think I want my money back... there's no one here... no real artists... and these guys selling? I go to their store down the road anyhow twice a week. This was lame.

RO: But...

Kid: Gimmie my money back...

RO: No.

Kid: I'll tell my Dad...

RO: I'll tell my lawyers to kick sand in your Dad's face!

Kid: I'm outta here... you're a ripoff man.

RO: That's IT, you have gone too far... don't email me, don't ask to come to the next convention, don't stalk me online... but whatever you do... DON'T think you're getting that Monster Squad book!

Kid: Me OR anyone else! Loser....

RO: Goos Buy, Pukee (shambles away mumbling incoherently about conspiracy theories, and how "those wannabes in the industry" must have sent that kid in as a plant)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Didn't Macquarrie have his lawyer send him something awhile back and he backed off for a few days ?

[wishlish]

Mr. Isabella:

You going on the record publicly only solidifies my case against you.
So, by all means, libel yourself into that false sense of slanderous
security you're enjoying. Because, sir, your ride is nearly over!

For the record: I am STILL in business, with every intention of
hosting a small, yet friendly popular arts convention supported by
community and backed by business interests that continually wonder why
you don't float away due to an over abundance of hot air.

I do STILL have several comic books supported by RETAILERS (who I've
known for many years) which WILL see print before the end of THIS
year, so mark THAT on your calendar...

Regards,
Rick Olney

His spelling and grammar got a bit better. Are we SURE this was from Olney?
Where's the mangled spelling of legal? Where's the sentences that defy diagramming?

The meds must be working.

[Blake Petit]

In all seriousness, I have this vision in my head of Olney actually managing to put together something that might, mostly resemble a comic book and then running off like 10 copies at Kinkos, stapling them, and convincing some shop to put a couple on their shelves.... where they will sit gathering dust.

*Technically* if he does this he will have "published something before the end of the year".

I think it's probably more likely that he'd get thrown out of Kinko's while in the attempt for refusing to pay up front, promising them huge residuals off the back end and trying to force the guy who replaces the toner to sign an NDA.

[JTPencils]

His spelling and grammar got a bit better. Are we SURE this was from Olney?
Where's the mangled spelling of legal? Where's the sentences that defy diagramming?

The meds must be working.

Actually Wish... the spelling may be on... but the grammar is still way off. Though it's still a "calmer" version of Rick, very little bluster or ranting. So who knows... the meds just MIGHT be kicking in.

[Danny Donovan]

Didn't Macquarrie have his lawyer send him something awhile back and he backed off for a few days ?


That would be for his " CBR Unscrewed glass" which became the "Comic Book Rejects So-screwed glass"

now he's offering his Devil Bug shirt (name to be changed thirty times before it comes out) available only in XXL.

Honestly how would such a shirt be done when the name of the damn character changes more time than people change socks?

His spelling and grammar got a bit better. Are we SURE this was from Olney?
Where's the mangled spelling of legal? Where's the sentences that defy diagramming?

The meds must be working.

Herkimier got some blue laws on the books? No booze allowed to be sold before noon? :p

[JTPencils]

now he's offering his Devil Bug shirt (name to be changed thirty times before it comes out) available only in XXL.

Honestly how would such a shirt be done when the name of the damn character changes more time than people change socks?


It's really just a shirt with an image on it... and a Sharpie attached to the sleeve. You write in the name of the character later on when the book finally (if ever) comes out.

[Sarah Beach]

BTW... WTF is a popular arts convention? Does that mean you can run into anyone from Yoko Ono to the T-shirt guy??

It is, in fact, the description that the San Diego ComicCon International (you know the one I mean, it's this little get-together down in southern California -- that nobody attends any more) uses to describe what they cover; not just comic books, but movies, tv, games.... anything in entertainment. Except that they still keep "Comics" in their title. They know what makes for the core of their audience.

But I suspect that since the paramecium is having such a hard time getting real comics pros to consider attending his shindig, he's having to branch out. "Pop cutlure!" (which is what most people mean when they say "popular arts").

Still.... I find it very funny that he's having to resort to the less specific (and also less effective as a draw) description. Hehehe.

[Magneto_X]

I like ninjas.

Gail

I knew there was a reason I liked you, Gail. :D

[DocAbsurd]

Hi. My name is Doc Absurd, and I was an Olney Lapdog.

Three years ago, during the Great Small Press War, I was accused of being a lackey, a spy, an informant; I was told I was backing the 'wrong side' even though I wasn't given both sides or even the whole story from one side; I was 'called out' for being a traitor to the SPA.

Now.

Did any of that sway me to seeing what had actually happened? Did any of that convince me of the truth, the real truth, of every atrocity Moby had perpetrated behind the scenes in private emails and conversations? If, at that point, anyone had taken a moment to show me the vitriol foaming from his rabid correspondences directly at them so I could see for myself how twisted his motivations actually were, would I have instantly changed my POV?

Nope.

Not a chance.

By then, the personal attacks were already out there. Moby had been clever; he slowly manipulated the events while keeping the important details hidden until he, typically, was the victim. When I was branded with a scarlet letter of my own, the facts held very little bearing on the matter.

It took me 3½ very long years to get past that hurdle. What eventually happened was Moby brought up that debacle once too often, gloated to Rich Johnson about what I kept a very personal account as if it were his to bandy about in support of his (then) most recent tirade. Which, in fact, had nothing to do with his newly discovered vendetta against Chuck, Val, and the rest of the creators on TotS. He needed a supporter and he counted on me to continue propping up his vacuous arguments because I was his lapdog.

He promised me money to review toys. He promised me toys to review. He promised me a spot in the continually-announced website relaunch. He offered me a chance at PR for the site. He offered me pin-ups. He was even drawing up a contract for 'Smitty's Pub'.

So long as I swore an oath of continued fealty to the Olney Machine.

And we all know how that turned out:

UNSCREWED!.

I don't know Jason Dube. I've remained quiet during any talk about his art, even though his style is just begging for a good criticism. The concept is all Moby, that much is obvious; it's so derivative you can smell Spider-man and Blue Beetle straight through the monitor. And Moby proclaimed he was planning on making a foray into the arena of Manga eventually, again displaying his tenuous grasp on the innovative.

Like I said, I don't know Jason Dube, but I do 'know' him. Mentally, I'm right there in his head. I can probably recite word for word every line of Moby's Anti-Defamation Litany he's fed the poor guy in easy to swallow bites. And each and every slight that deviates from the facts just cements Moby's claims.

It works like a charm. It did on me. For 3½ years, it was a snake charmer's song, a hypnotist's watch, Dr Phil's best selling book. Moby tells you exactly what you want to hear and exactly when you need to hear it, and he backs it all up with believable tales of how the world is against him cuz he's just the little guy with a big dream.

Sound familiar?

It should. It's on his MySpace, in half his emails, and for anyone who's had the unforgettable experience of talking to him, the bulk of his conversations.

The only difference now is I've seen why everyone's against him.

For once, I got all the sides of the whole story.

And that made all the difference.

Devil-Bug screams to be mocked. The ® and ™ he throws in after are laughable. The fact that he's temporarily abandoned the patriotic heroes (no doubt because of 'leaggle' advice from his teams of crack lawyers) in lieu of a Manga book is a downright pathetic attempt to ride the popularity coattails he loves mocking others for.

Even if UNSCREWED! were around 3½ years ago, I dunno if I woulda paid attention. Lookit how long it took me to finally step up here; and we know there's still dozens of creators who have yet to speak openly.

Dube's being duped. Right now he's hearing promises of NDAs and exclusive contracts and professional page rates and eventually his own book under the TLE banner. He's probably gotten his embossed invitation to headline the 2007 MMC. And as for us, we're all gonna be 'dealt' with as soon as the 'leaggle' wranglings are sorted out, and that's when he'll get paid, so it's all our fault; all Jason has to do is give Moby a little time.

He's being sucked in.

Give him time. It'll happen.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Well...I have bad news for Rick...Yet another letter from the NY AG and guess what? They ARE looking into it! It seems that Rick committing charity fraud was worth investigating! Who knew?

Have a nice evening, Rick! You stupid, stupid man.

[amboy00]

Well...I have bad news for Rick...Yet another letter from the NY AG and guess what? They ARE looking into it! It seems that Rick committing charity fraud was worth investigating! Who knew?

Have a nice evening, Rick! You stupid, stupid man.He was doing charity fraud on top of being a general all around jerk?

There's so much to keep track of, this guy needs his own Wiki entry.

[Matt Doc Martin]

He was doing charity fraud on top of being a general all around jerk?

There's so much to keep track of, this guy needs his own Wiki entry.

You missed that? He scammed St Jude's Children's Research Hospital...used their name and logo...without permission. Ran an auction to benefit St Jude's...yet never donated so much as a dime to them.

Rick Olney took money from KIDS WITH CANCER.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

More than enough. I share your suspicions, too.

WOW.

Who would have seen that comin'?

I know you always get all the facts before you try to lynch somebody.:D

[Danny Donovan]

He's being sucked in.

Give him time. It'll happen.

Here is an interesting question. Where does our responsibility lie? Do we help show the other parts of the story? Do we have a moral responsibility to point him at Cesar's story?

Do you drag a horse to water and pray they drink?

Also I stand by there's nothing wrong with critiquing the character or the name. Would anyone object if I made comments about Marvel turning Speedball into Penence? (even though they already have one, which was a better concept, or had one in Generation X)

I don't see how anyone's critique of the work or character is besmerching Dube as a person.

Well...I have bad news for Rick...Yet another letter from the NY AG and guess what? They ARE looking into it! It seems that Rick committing charity fraud was worth investigating! Who knew?

Have a nice evening, Rick! You stupid, stupid man.

Matt, when things slow down a bit and I can collect my thoughts I have some things about that you should probably be aware of. Might help the AG.

[amboy00]

You missed that? He scammed St Jude's Children's Research Hospital...used their name and logo...without permission. Ran an auction to benefit St Jude's...yet never donated so much as a dime to them.

Rick Olney took money from KIDS WITH CANCER.

Oh please. Did you ever think that God wanted those kids to have cancer. Maybe they were bad.

Actually, that's really awful. But I'm serious about that Wiki entry. I think there is enough notoriety in this.

[Blake Petit]

He'd just consider that validation of his worthless life.

[Inkpot1965]

How can it be caled the ReCANTer? He CAN'T do anything in the first place!

(Eh, eh? See? Recant, Can't? Clever? Clever?

No?

Ah well.)

Ugh. AACK...THUD!

[generaljackcosmo]

Oh please. Did you ever think that God wanted those kids to have cancer. Maybe they were bad.

Actually, that's really awful. But I'm serious about that Wiki entry. I think there is enough notoriety in this.

He'd just consider that validation of his worthless life.

Maybe it will get him into Marquis' Who's Who in America.

Twice.

[Inkpot1965]

I guess these are some of the retailers who HAVEN'T sued him yet.

Gail

How can retailers support books that haven't and never will come out? Has Rick found the secret to selling air? WHAT A GENIUS!