Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[Blake Petit]

For shits and giggles, and because my taglines have the subtlety of a brick to the head:

http://www.hollowcomic.com/danielle/unscrewedbannergrey.png

http://www.hollowcomic.com/danielle/unscrewedbannerpink.png

For the girly disgruntled creator, I suppose.

AWESOME.

I'm totally using that at Comixtreme.com, if it's okay.

[Papergirl]

When should we expect your coward ass to start deleting everything you felt so tough saying?
Doesn't matter if he comes back and tries to delete it all, Kevin. I already have it all saved off. :D

~Bev

[SteveForbes]

We need to add more pages so PG can't catch up!

Quick! Someone start making fun of me!

-(wants to be ridiculed) llama

[Reverend Smooth]

AWESOME.

I'm totally using that at Comixtreme.com, if it's okay.Yep.

Anybody can use. My only request is credit if people ask, and a link to wherever it's used. :3

[Coppervale Studio]

We need to add more pages so PG can't catch up!

Quick! Someone start making fun of me!

-(wants to be ridiculed) llama

Uh, okay...

Everytime you write something the coastline of Arizona goes up!

...

Hm. Let's try that again...

No one - and I mean NO ONE is making t-shirts about how you screwed people! HA!


...


Sorry dude. Can't quite get it. But at least Bev has another post to read through... ;)

[Papergirl]

Lastly, thanks to Matt Martin and Papergirl, for driving up to show their support this morning.

Glad we could show up and provide moral support! It was truly a pleasure to meet you both and spend time talking AND celebrating over breakfast! Let me know if there is any way I can help with the collection part of this. :)

Also, we'll have to pick a time that I'm up there again and all get together in a non-court setting. ;)

~Bev
Who loves making new friends!

[Papergirl]

We need to add more pages so PG can't catch up!

Quick! Someone start making fun of me!

-(wants to be ridiculed) llama

Sorry dude. Can't quite get it. But at least Bev has another post to read through... ;)

Alright, you two... Don't make me get the rolled up Sunday NY Times out...

:evilsmile

~Bev

[JTPencils]

We need to add more pages so PG can't catch up!

Quick! Someone start making fun of me!

-(wants to be ridiculed) llama

Steve's agreed to ghost write YOR's next project.

(how was that?)

[Inkpot1965]

Would it be possible to have the screw logo embroidered on the ass of a pair of pants? That seems more fitting to the whole Olney experience.

[JTPencils]

Would it be possible to have the screw logo embroidered on the ass of a pair of pants? That seems more fitting to the whole Olney experience.

While I agree... I think it would also constitute an instant sexual harassment issue.

[Larime]

We need to add more pages so PG can't catch up!

Quick! Someone start making fun of me!

-(wants to be ridiculed) llama

Yo' comic so slow I got Downs Syndrome just readin' it!

Yo' comic so slow, it nearly passed out from the speed of my wheelchair drivin' it home!

[Papergirl]

Yo' comic so slow I got Downs Syndrome just readin' it!

Yo' comic so slow, it nearly passed out from the speed of my wheelchair drivin' it home!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Now THOSE were funny! :D

~Bev

[Samuel Catalino]

Great googly moogly... that's funny!


With Tolerance For "Hey Keith Giffen... You See This?"...

GCom

And just think, Glenn, it happened in the county I reside in.

[Samuel Catalino]

Folks,

Rick has left the Grim One's yahoo group.

Just thought you all should know, if you did not know already.

Best,

Samuel

[Larime]

Folks,

Rick has left the Grim One's yahoo group.

Just thought you all should know, if you did not know already.

Best,

Samuel

Is that anything like Elvis leaving the building?

[rummblestrips]

Folks,

Rick has left the Grim One's yahoo group.

Just thought you all should know, if you did not know already.

Best,

Samuel

How do you know?
Was it posted there?
Did he do a goodbye post that was long and painful?

Looking forward to details

[Samuel Catalino]

Is that anything like Elvis leaving the building?

Larime,


Elvis performed and delivered the goods. I have no idea what Rick has ever delivered.


Best,

Samuel

[Samuel Catalino]

How do you know?
Was it posted there?
Did he do a goodbye post that was long and painful?

Looking forward to details

rummblestrips,

The owner of the yahoo group announced it and he posted as such.

Rick did not deliver a goodbye post.

Best,

Samuel

[sk716]

So happens that I have one of those nice Viking machines!;) Anybody game? I don't have the digitizing program, as all I do is free motion embroidery, but I might be able to get a friend to digitize it for me.

I don't know, a few Unscrewed! embroidered shirts at CAPE just might sell.

[rummblestrips]

rummblestrips,

The owner of the yahoo group announced it and he posted as such.

Rick did not deliver a goodbye post.

Best,

Samuel

I hope that means Jim found out what a weenie Rick is.
Jim's a good guy, doesn't deserve to be associated with a dick like Rick

Thanks for sharing the info.

[Larime]

Larime,


Elvis performed and delivered the goods. I have no idea what Rick has ever delivered.


Best,

Samuel

And why IS the Grim One so grim?

[JTPencils]

Larime,


Elvis performed and delivered the goods. I have no idea what Rick has ever delivered.


Best,

Samuel

Maybe a pizza. But a couple of slices were probably missing.

[Inkpot1965]

Does that mean Skidmark is out picking up a case of beer, so he can hold a marathon session here again?

[rummblestrips]

Does that mean Skidmark is out picking up a case of beer, so he can hold a marathon session here again?

Anyone ever tell you your avatar kinda looks like Grissom from CSI?:D

[Inkpot1965]

Anyone ever tell you your avatar kinda looks like Grissom from CSI?:D

Nope, you're the first. Is it the condescending look?

[rummblestrips]

Nope, you're the first. Is it the condescending look?

heh
I think it's the glasses.. and the beard

[Inkpot1965]

heh
I think it's the glasses.. and the beard

Isn't it scary that almost every second of the day there's an episode of CSI on somewhere?

[rummblestrips]

Isn't it scary that almost every second of the day there's an episode of CSI on somewhere?

Yes
What's even sadder is I end up watching quite a few of them..
and reading this thread
Anyone know how much a life costs these days?

[Darediva]

I don't know, a few Unscrewed! embroidered shirts at CAPE just might sell.

Or even just t-shirts. I can get a quote from my screenprinter here and get some done up for the show. The profit margin would go back to the fund. With cafepress, unfortunately, there is no profit margin except for cafepress, ya know?

Not trying to piddle in your post toasties, Danny, but this could be a better money maker this way?

[Darediva]

And just for fun, for those of us who want to show support, but were lucky enough NOT to be screwed:

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/8542/unscrewedsupportbannerch0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Inkpot1965]

Yes
What's even sadder is I end up watching quite a few of them..
and reading this thread
Anyone know how much a life costs these days?

A lot more than Skidmark pays for the artwork he's gotten. [Bringing the subject back around to RO] Heh, heh

[sk716]

Hey all, can we get discussion of Unscrewed! promotion moved over the the Unscrewed! forums? It'll be easier to track banner designs and t-shirt possibilities on one thread over there than tho sift through the hundreds of posts we have going here.

[Darediva]

Hey all, can we get discussion of Unscrewed! promotion moved over the the Unscrewed! forums? It'll be easier to track banner designs and t-shirt possibilities on one thread over there than tho sift through the hundreds of posts we have going here.

Sure! I'll repost over there.

[Reverend Smooth]

Could a thread be started there so we can?

[JTPencils]

YOR responded to my last email (he has 13 days left... only next contact he gets from me is being served)

"Mr. Taylor,
Per your contract -- You will provide ALL original and completed artwork, which will be outlined by my (imaginary) attorney when he contacts you. Again, you may wish to save yourself some time in seeking your payment by conatcting an attorney and sharing the contents of your NDA and contract with him.
Just a suggestion for you and all your cyberbully friends on YABS at CBR. "

Now we're cyberbullies. Is that a promotion from troll or plebe?

And if he think's he's getting any of the original art. HA!!

[Inkpot1965]

Dammit, I want a t-shirt that says "Cyberbully".

[JTPencils]

Dammit, I want a t-shirt that says "Cyberbully".

What size T would that be?

[Inkpot1965]

What size T would that be?

That would be F for Fatass

[Reverend Smooth]

For people who are not involved, AND those who are-- inspired by Matt Doc Martin:

http://www.hollowcomic.com/danielle/unscrewedservedbannergrey.png

http://www.hollowcomic.com/danielle/unscrewedservingbannerpink.png

Cross-posted to the unscrewed site. XD

[Kalen O.]

"Mr. Taylor,
Per your contract -- You will provide ALL original and completed artwork, which will be outlined by my (imaginary) attorney when he contacts you. Again, you may wish to save yourself some time in seeking your payment by conatcting an attorney and sharing the contents of your NDA and contract with him.
Just a suggestion for you and all your cyberbully friends on YABS at CBR. "

Lol! See, clearly this is where I've been going wrong when looking for artists to collaborate on projects with. I've never asked for every piece of the original artwork in addition to the copies. Why, they must all think I'm completely unprofessional! Thanks for the tip Rick. In the future I'll be sure to ask for that as well. I'm sure it'll go over REAL well.

*Rolls eyes*

[Darediva]

Could a thread be started there so we can?

There's a thread in General posts now discussing potential items for sale.
http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=61

[Sarah Beach]

Anyone ever tell you your avatar kinda looks like Grissom from CSI?:D

You wouldn't have a thing-- excuse me, a "sincere appreciation" of William Petersen, would you?




Like me?

Heh.

[Matt Doc Martin]

YOR responded to my last email (he has 13 days left... only next contact he gets from me is being served)

"Mr. Taylor,
Per your contract -- You will provide ALL original and completed artwork, which will be outlined by my (imaginary) attorney when he contacts you. Again, you may wish to save yourself some time in seeking your payment by conatcting an attorney and sharing the contents of your NDA and contract with him.
Just a suggestion for you and all your cyberbully friends on YABS at CBR. "

Now we're cyberbullies. Is that a promotion from troll or plebe?

And if he think's he's getting any of the original art. HA!!

When he pays, I believe he is due the original art, but don't quote me on that. He certainly should NOT get it prior to paying.



As far as anything else, he has what, 13 days now? then, start the process and have the fat bastard served!

[Papergirl]

You wouldn't have a thing-- excuse me, a "sincere appreciation" of William Petersen, would you?




Like me?

Heh.
Me too. :D

~Bev

[SUPERECWFAN1]

When he pays, I believe he is due the original art, but don't quote me on that. He certainly should NOT get it prior to paying.



As far as anything else, he has what, 13 days now? then, start the process and have the fat bastard served!

A lot of artists keep their original art. I'm sorry but many keep it to sell later on down the road. Him asking for the original art more or less to me reads that he wants it to sell as he sees fit.

The original art done by the " artist" should stay with them. He isn't a huge company.

[DocAbsurd]

If it ain't in the original contract, he can't pull a rabbit outta his hat now.

If he had wanted all the original art, he needed to have that outlined in all written agreements. Throw that back in his face.

Time the legalese turns around and chomps his big ole behind.




Doc 'Incisors' Absurd

[Sarah Beach]

A lot of artists keep their original art. I'm sorry but many keep it to sell later on down the road. Him asking for the original art more or less to me reads that he wants it to sell as he sees fit.

The original art done by the " artist" should stay with them. He isn't a huge company.

Yeah. Usually, it's considered that the publisher is buying the right of first reproduction of the art and it's following use. If they want the originals, they pay again for that. The first payment is for the work (as in "effort"); the second for the Work (as in "object").

At least that's my understanding.

[Papergirl]

When he pays, I believe he is due the original art, but don't quote me on that. He certainly should NOT get it prior to paying.



As far as anything else, he has what, 13 days now? then, start the process and have the fat bastard served!
But, since HE broke any contracts involved by not paying JT, I doubt he has any claim to it at all now.

~Bev

[Sarah Beach]

If it ain't in the original contract, he can't pull a rabbit outta his hat now.

If he had wanted all the original art, he needed to have that outlined in all written agreements. Throw that back in his face.

Time the legalese turns around and chomps his big ole behind.




Doc 'Incisors' Absurd

Remind me to word our agreement very carefully. ;)

[Scott Dickerson]

OK, since I'm getting into the habit of reading this thread, I might as well post a few questions that popped up along the way.

(1) What is "J-Bolt"?

(2) What is the significance of saying that someone from Mexico has a wooden leg?

(3) Howcome Mr. Olney is sometimes said to be living in Herkimer, sometimes Mohawk, sometimes New Jersey, sometimes Pittsburgh, maybe even Chicago? (Presumably careless reading on my part.) There's no question, is there, about where he actually resides?

(4) Why is he referred to as "bald", given that the photo seems to show a full head of hair? Or is it an old photo?

Dumb stuff. But, you know, it's hard to catch things when your eyes are tired (as my previous post demonstrates, to my embarrassment).

SD

[Kalen O.]

Huh. I honestly had no idea that there were any instances where the artists would be contractually obligated to give up their original artwork as well. Just doesn't seem right to me. *shrugs* Oh well.

[rummblestrips]

You wouldn't have a thing-- excuse me, a "sincere appreciation" of William Petersen, would you?




Like me?

Heh.

Who me? -whistle, whistle-

Maybe we could put him on an Unscrewed t-shirt with a witty phrase.

(see how I tied that into the thread, see see?)

[Matt Doc Martin]

OK, since I'm getting into the habit of reading this thread, I might as well post a few questions that popped up along the way.

(1) What is "J-Bolt"?

(2) What is the significance of saying that someone from Mexico has a wooden leg?

(3) Howcome Mr. Olney is sometimes said to be living in Herkimer, sometimes Mohawk, sometimes New Jersey, sometimes Pittsburgh, maybe even Chicago? (Presumably careless reading on my part.) There's no question, is there, about where he actually resides?

(4) Why is he referred to as "bald", given that the photo seems to show a full head of hair? Or is it an old photo?

Dumb stuff. But, you know, it's hard to catch things when your eyes are tired (as my previous post demonstrates, to my embarrassment).

SD

1) a deluded artist and would be director.

2) You need to be insane to appreciate it.

3) Herkimer and Mohawk are the same. He likes to threaten people in Chicago, LA, Florida (I don't know why Florida, though, and Oregon.


4) he is not bald...he is balding.

[DocAbsurd]

I think I'm fairly safe in reporting on this.

Jim got locked out of the MMC forums earlier this week. Seems he stood up for someone Olney didn't 'allow' him to. Once again, it was a matter of transgressing the unwritten Olney Law, crossing the battle lines into Olney-preceived enemy territory.

How the feck can he claim to support small press/independent creators when he treats one of the most prolific zine publishers like this?




Doc 'Spiting His Face' Absurd

[Sarah Beach]

Matt, I think the threats regarding Pittsburgh, Florida and Chicago have to do with the comic book conventions there (like PittCon, MegaCon, & Wizard World-Chi).

Like he might show up at one of them.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

OK, since I'm getting into the habit of reading this thread, I might as well post a few questions that popped up along the way.

(1) What is "J-Bolt"?

J-Bolt aka Jim Fisher is someone who has been working on a comic book and movie for 7+ years now. Fisher isn't at the level Olney has achieved . Anyhow its taken poor Jim 7 years to produce 1 full comic you can read in your hands. He has an ashcan at his website.

Just beware...he has huge dreams.

(2) What is the significance of saying that someone from Mexico has a wooden leg?

No clue.

(3) Howcome Mr. Olney is sometimes said to be living in Herkimer, sometimes Mohawk, sometimes New Jersey, sometimes Pittsburgh, maybe even Chicago? (Presumably careless reading on my part.) There's no question, is there, about where he actually resides?

He travels to cons. I do believe at last check he lives in Mohawk. Ask Tom Stillwell. The man would know since he's done the checking and all on him.

(4) Why is he referred to as "bald", given that the photo seems to show a full head of hair? Or is it an old photo?

Dumb stuff. But, you know, it's hard to catch things when your eyes are tired (as my previous post demonstrates, to my embarrassment).

SD

The photos seem to be from 2003 and I've heard people saying he's balding. I haven't seen him in person so...no clue there.

[Sarah Beach]

I think I'm fairly safe in reporting on this.

Jim got locked out of the MMC forums earlier this week. Seems he stood up for someone Olney didn't 'allow' him to. Once again, it was a matter of transgressing the unwritten Olney Law, crossing the battle lines into Olney-preceived enemy territory.

How the feck can he claim to support small press/independent creators when he treats one of the most prolific zine publishers like this?




Doc 'Spiting His Face' Absurd

Tim, back at the end of the year, RO began plans for some sort of fan group that he was calling ROTS (although he never explained the acronym in the blog he described it), but he had interested people contact by email, and apparently had them register for the MMC board, so they could discuss things behind that secrecy veil. Do you know if anything came of it?

I was just wondering, since from his original blog description, what he really intended to do was recruit followers to scour the internet for "trolls, stalkers and libelers" - ie, (I'm guessing) anyone who was discussing him. The blog talked about elves being the foes of trolls, and ROTS were going to be troll-hunters. I remember reading it and thinking "So, basically, you're going to recruit others to be - in the traditionally accepted sense on the Net - trolls. But you're not going to call them trolls. Riiiiiight."

I admit, I was a bit concerned about this. But we haven't actually seen anyone surfacing anywhere that I know of who has launched into defenses of RO and attacks on... well, Gail, myself, or others who are standing up to him.

I'm hoping it died the death of neglect and uninterest.

[Samuel Catalino]

OK, since I'm getting into the habit of reading this thread, I might as well post a few questions that popped up along the way.

(1) What is "J-Bolt"?

(2) What is the significance of saying that someone from Mexico has a wooden leg?

(3) Howcome Mr. Olney is sometimes said to be living in Herkimer, sometimes Mohawk, sometimes New Jersey, sometimes Pittsburgh, maybe even Chicago? (Presumably careless reading on my part.) There's no question, is there, about where he actually resides?

(4) Why is he referred to as "bald", given that the photo seems to show a full head of hair? Or is it an old photo?

Dumb stuff. But, you know, it's hard to catch things when your eyes are tired (as my previous post demonstrates, to my embarrassment).

SD


Scott,

I will take number four. He has a bald spot close to the center of his head, which prompted a nickname I gave him when we were on friendlier times, Mad Monk.

Best,

Samuel

[Samuel Catalino]

When he pays, I believe he is due the original art, but don't quote me on that. He certainly should NOT get it prior to paying.



As far as anything else, he has what, 13 days now? then, start the process and have the fat bastard served!

Matt,

I know I am coming in the middle of this, but if someone contracts something, does not receive it, how can one be held accountable for paying for something not received?

It was my assumption that many of the people sent the work that they did for R.O. to him, and for that work he should pay for. That would hold up in court.

Please clarify this for me.

Thanks,

Samuel

[Paul Smith]

Viking Machines, ....

It's been years but, my late brother Willi had one and as I recall there's no time saved the first time around. Like photoshop or illustrator, there's no "color this black and white file to look like Christina Strain did it" button.

You imported your art into the computer and used it as a template. Each and every stitch, it's length and angle, color, thread type, stitch pattern etc was individually set by hand with mouse one stitch at a time. The "benifits" of digital don't show up until after the original is done.

Personally, I'm not a polo shirt kinda' guy. As a patch, stitched to a sheet of black tackletwill, I'd sew it on my colors with pride.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Matt,

I know I am coming in the middle of this, but if someone contracts something, does not receive it, how can one be held accountable for paying for something not received?

It was my assumption that many of the people sent the work that they did for R.O. to him, and for that work he should pay for. That would hold up in court.

Please clarify this for me.

Thanks,

Samuel

First, I said don't quote me.

Second, depending on the contract, you don't HAVE to have a specific item. Rick contracted Scott to do some website work. Scott did it, but...surprise!, Rick did not pay. Rick now has to pay for the work and he still will not get it.


That is the price you pay for being a poor businessman.

[Paul Smith]

Et voila!

Fine arts screws for your, um, unscrewing pleasure.

http://www.hollowcomic.com/danielle/unscrewdredsmall.png http://www.hollowcomic.com/danielle/unscrewdsilversmall.png

http://www.hollowcomic.com/danielle/unscrewdredmed.png http://www.hollowcomic.com/danielle/unscrewdsilvermed.png

I have a bigger version of these that could be used for magnets, pins, t-shirt, etc.

Now thems is screws.

(signed)
The pwned meanie

[Kurt Busiek]

When he pays, I believe he is due the original art, but don't quote me on that. He certainly should NOT get it prior to paying.

He isn't paying for the original art, unless the contract specifies that he gets ownership of the art as well as publishing rights.

More likely, he's paying for publishing rights, which means that good-quality digital scans are more than acceptable, particularly since, in this case, he already seems to have accepted the artwork and had it inked, yes?

There are many artists at Marvel and DC these days who never deliver the actual art boards, just scans. Even more at other publishers, I'd think. It makes it easier for production to have the material in digital form, since the lettering and color will be digital as well, and it saves on the hassle of art returns if there's nothing to return.

kdb

[JTPencils]

If it ain't in the original contract, he can't pull a rabbit outta his hat now.

If he had wanted all the original art, he needed to have that outlined in all written agreements. Throw that back in his face.

Time the legalese turns around and chomps his big ole behind.




Doc 'Incisors' Absurd

As I understand it Doc, general industry standard sits like this (and I COULD be wrong). Original art goes to publisher, he prints, he sends back for art to be equally distributed amongst the creative talent. Why send it back? Because usually the publisher has plates (or now, usually digital files) of the art, and can easily reproduce it, if wanted, from there. There's really no need for a publisher to hold onto the original art. Usually it's back in the artist's hands for them to either sell at cons or to pad portfolio's.

What he wants the originals for now (when he was asked about this previously, during my tenure there), he said digital files were totally fine "It's all I'll need to print from anyhow". He never had a single piece of original art in his hands ever. So I'll have to recheck the contract VERY closely. But as far as I'm aware, that was NOT one of the stipulations.

[JTPencils]

Yeah. Usually, it's considered that the publisher is buying the right of first reproduction of the art and it's following use. If they want the originals, they pay again for that. The first payment is for the work (as in "effort"); the second for the Work (as in "object").

At least that's my understanding.

If this is the case.... and he wants to BUY the Work (as in object)... price just went up a few zero's. He's already had (and still has no doubt) the files to use for original reproduction of the art.

Again, that's IF the case is as stated here.

[Kurt Busiek]

What he wants the originals for now (when he was asked about this previously, during my tenure there), he said digital files were totally fine "It's all I'll need to print from anyhow".

If he said digital files were fine, then that constitutes acceptance.

He's just trying to create more hurdles and delays; don't waste your time on them. The work was delivered in a form he accepted it in.

kdb

[Samuel Catalino]

First, I said don't quote me.

Second, depending on the contract, you don't HAVE to have a specific item. Rick contracted Scott to do some website work. Scott did it, but...surprise!, Rick did not pay. Rick now has to pay for the work and he still will not get it.


That is the price you pay for being a poor businessman.

Matt,

Where did the quote me comment come from? I just came in the middle and was asking a question and clairification.

As you know there are several kinds of contracts, which is why they all should be in writing. If it is in writing, and both parties have agreed, then the contract is in force. Verbal agreements are a bit trickier.

If I ask someone to make something for me, they do so, and fail to deliver, I am not obliged to pay. If it is delivered to me, and I decide not to pay, then I am in a heap of trouble and will lose the judgement and the court will remedy my bullheadness should that person decide to take me to court. The same would apply for partial delivery.

My understanding (and no one is asking anyone to quote on this, and if I am in error, I humbly invite anyone to correct me) is that R.O. promised x amount of money for work, work was delievered, and those who delivered that work were not compensated. And that puts him in a heap of trouble as everyone would agree.

Best,

Samuel

[Samuel Catalino]

If he said digital files were fine, then that constitutes acceptance.

He's just trying to create more hurdles and delays; don't waste your time on them. The work was delivered in a form he accepted it in.

kdb

Okay, now this makes sense to me. This is the clarification that I was looking for.

Thanks, KDB.

Best,

Samuel

[Larime]

He isn't paying for the original art, unless the contract specifies that he gets ownership of the art as well as publishing rights.

More likely, he's paying for publishing rights, which means that good-quality digital scans are more than acceptable, particularly since, in this case, he already seems to have accepted the artwork and had it inked, yes?

There are many artists at Marvel and DC these days who never deliver the actual art boards, just scans. Even more at other publishers, I'd think. It makes it easier for production to have the material in digital form, since the lettering and color will be digital as well, and it saves on the hassle of art returns if there's nothing to return.

kdb

Yeah, like us at Archaia. We don't even HAVE 'original art' as our penciler draws straight into the computer via tablet. We're completely digital from start to finish.

[Matt Doc Martin]

When he pays, I believe he is due the original art, but don't quote me on that. He certainly should NOT get it prior to paying.



As far as anything else, he has what, 13 days now? then, start the process and have the fat bastard served!

Matt,

Where did the quote me comment come from? I just came in the middle and was asking a question and clairification.

As you know there are several kinds of contracts, which is why they all should be in writing. If it is in writing, and both parties have agreed, then the contract is in force. Verbal agreements are a bit trickier.

If I ask someone to make something for me, they do so, and fail to deliver, I am not obliged to pay. If it is delivered to me, and I decide not to pay, then I am in a heap of trouble and will lose the judgement and the court will remedy my bullheadness should that person decide to take me to court. The same would apply for partial delivery.

My understanding (and no one is asking anyone to quote on this, and if I am in error, I humbly invite anyone to correct me) is that R.O. promised x amount of money for work, work was delievered, and those who delivered that work were not compensated. And that puts him in a heap of trouble as everyone would agree.

Best,

Samuel

I was picking on you.

And he already received the art (Per JT) in a form he accepted.

So he can ask for anything he wants, but will only get what JT wants to give him.

[TheWraith]

He isn't paying for the original art, unless the contract specifies that he gets ownership of the art as well as publishing rights.

More likely, he's paying for publishing rights, which means that good-quality digital scans are more than acceptable, particularly since, in this case, he already seems to have accepted the artwork and had it inked, yes?

There are many artists at Marvel and DC these days who never deliver the actual art boards, just scans. Even more at other publishers, I'd think. It makes it easier for production to have the material in digital form, since the lettering and color will be digital as well, and it saves on the hassle of art returns if there's nothing to return.

kdb

That's exactly how we operate at Trinity Comics. All artists contracted by me keep their original art, to do with as they like. I just require a high-rez digital scan. As you say, it is much easier, faster, more cost effective and the artists retain all rights to their original work.

[JTPencils]

Matt,

I know I am coming in the middle of this, but if someone contracts something, does not receive it, how can one be held accountable for paying for something not received?

It was my assumption that many of the people sent the work that they did for R.O. to him, and for that work he should pay for. That would hold up in court.

Please clarify this for me.

Thanks,

Samuel

Actually Matt, I think Sam's asking in my particular case...

There was work sent to Rick. Character sheets, promo materials, etc etc (all can be seen on the Unscrewed! website in the gallery). Digital files as he agreed to. Then did not pay for the production of those works. I am not even including the first two pages I did for the interior work on the book, because I purposefully put a "work stoppage" on myself when I started to see Rick's aversion to paying anyone. I informed him at that time "I don't see anyone getting paid, I haven't been paid yet for what I've already done, why would I create more?"

And so here we are.

[Samuel Catalino]

I was picking on you.

And he already received the art (Per JT) in a form he accepted.

So he can ask for anything he wants, but will only get what JT wants to give him.


Now, Matt, why would you be picking on me? Are you being a bully? ;)

Yes, by him receiving the art in the form he found acceptable, he agreed to the terms. And the only way he would be able to get the original art would be if it were in the contract. And if it wasn't, JT can do whatever he wants to with the work.

Best,

Samuel

[JTPencils]

If he said digital files were fine, then that constitutes acceptance.

He's just trying to create more hurdles and delays; don't waste your time on them. The work was delivered in a form he accepted it in.

kdb

Kurt, I didn't even respond to him (and won't). I sent my earlier email, stating exactly how things were going to go, and that he now had 13 days left. End of story. No more verbal dancing, no more pulling anyone into the mud, no more BS. But I did want to post his latest attempt at delaying for all to see. (Especially to my cyberbully friends here at YABS on CBR)

[JTPencils]

I was picking on you.

And he already received the art (Per JT) in a form he accepted.

So he can ask for anything he wants, but will only get what JT wants to give him.

As of today, the only thing I'm giving him is 13 days, and then I'm filing. This particular game's gone on long enough.

And yeah, he accepted it. Because the work was passed along to my inker (Inkpot1965) who was also CD. Then it was used (his TLE website, press releases... etc etc.) So yeah, I've got backup on that fact.

[Samuel Catalino]

Actually Matt, I think Sam's asking in my particular case...

There was work sent to Rick. Character sheets, promo materials, etc etc (all can be seen on the Unscrewed! website in the gallery). Digital files as he agreed to. Then did not pay for the production of those works. I am not even including the first two pages I did for the interior work on the book, because I purposefully put a "work stoppage" on myself when I started to see Rick's aversion to paying anyone. I informed him at that time "I don't see anyone getting paid, I haven't been paid yet for what I've already done, why would I create more?"

And so here we are.

Jim,

You got him. My best wishes to you for your success in this endevor. Keep your chin up, know that you have a lot of people here and in other places who support you and I pray you get what you have earned.

Best,

Samuel

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

When he pays, I believe he is due the original art, but don't quote me on that. He certainly should NOT get it prior to paying.



As far as anything else, he has what, 13 days now? then, start the process and have the fat bastard served!

Original Art usually goes to the artist unless it's a commissioned piece or stated in the agreement. Assuming he pays, Rick would have the right to use it. But otherwise the artist still technically owns the art from what I understand.

JP

[Darediva]

It's been years but, my late brother Willi had one and as I recall there's no time saved the first time around. Like photoshop or illustrator, there's no "color this black and white file to look like Christina Strain did it" button.

You imported your art into the computer and used it as a template. Each and every stitch, it's length and angle, color, thread type, stitch pattern etc was individually set by hand with mouse one stitch at a time. The "benifits" of digital don't show up until after the original is done.

Personally, I'm not a polo shirt kinda' guy. As a patch, stitched to a sheet of black tackletwill, I'd sew it on my colors with pride.

It's much better now, but I don't have the coin of the realm for the very expensive software. (Full Photoshop is way cheaper, and I can't afford that.) I never invested in that stuff because I do all my things freehand as one-shots. I do know there is an embroiderer in town I could get a quote from that is very good with caps, totebags, shirts, patches,whatever.

Sometimes I wonder what my grandmother would think about my Viking Designer I, as she taught me to sew on her Singer treadle (that I still have).

[JTPencils]

That's exactly how we operate at Trinity Comics. All artists contracted by me keep their original art, to do with as they like. I just require a high-rez digital scan. As you say, it is much easier, faster, more cost effective and the artists retain all rights to their original work.

Exactly. Frank's a very easy sort to work for. Just wants things to run smoothly, and there's nothing wrong with that. If he approaches you, it is NOT like dealing with YOR... trust me. Give the guy a listen.

[Blake Petit]

Yep.

Anybody can use. My only request is credit if people ask, and a link to wherever it's used. :3

Done and done. :)

It's in my Comixtreme sig. You can see it places like this: http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33189

[DocAbsurd]

Tim, back at the end of the year, RO began plans for some sort of fan group that he was calling ROTS (although he never explained the acronym in the blog he described it), but he had interested people contact by email, and apparently had them register for the MMC board, so they could discuss things behind that secrecy veil. Do you know if anything came of it?

I was just wondering, since from his original blog description, what he really intended to do was recruit followers to scour the internet for "trolls, stalkers and libelers" - ie, (I'm guessing) anyone who was discussing him. The blog talked about elves being the foes of trolls, and ROTS were going to be troll-hunters. I remember reading it and thinking "So, basically, you're going to recruit others to be - in the traditionally accepted sense on the Net - trolls. But you're not going to call them trolls. Riiiiiight."

I admit, I was a bit concerned about this. But we haven't actually seen anyone surfacing anywhere that I know of who has launched into defenses of RO and attacks on... well, Gail, myself, or others who are standing up to him.

I'm hoping it died the death of neglect and uninterest.

I remember hearing about this, and pretty much had the same reaction (with a few more expletives thrown in for good measure).

By December of last year, I had come to dread phone calls from him. I had to clear the line and make sure I wasn't talking to Momma (or I'd hear about it afterwards), get the Things in bed, brew a pot of coffee, get a fresh pack of smokes, and turn my brain off. It was just 60+ minutes of rabid foaming: he took this one off a book, another pro was mocking him, Ian was still a thorn in his side. I cut him slack about family matters, cuz I did my fair share of bitching, too.

Y'know, by the end of 2005, I stopped asking about my money; I knew the excuses by heart. He was the one regularly bringing it up and how we columnists were first on the list soon's he had the finances. He kept me off-balance by diverting my attention to the ICC instead of wondering how he was paying all those other creators when he never intended to pay us.

I believe the 'ROTS' was short for the 'Rick Olney Troll Squad'. Quake before them, yea verily, for they are few and misguided.

Jeez, could he possibly get any more paranoid?




Doc 'Making Tolkein Spin' Absurd

[Reverend Smooth]

Now thems is screws.

(signed)
The pwned meanieXD;;; It was ok, really.

[Reverend Smooth]

Done and done. :)

It's in my Comixtreme sig. You can see it places like this: http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33189Sweet. <333333333

[TomStillwell]

Matt, I think the threats regarding Pittsburgh, Florida and Chicago have to do with the comic book conventions there (like PittCon, MegaCon, & Wizard World-Chi).

Like he might show up at one of them.

Chicago most likely has to do with me.

Like he'd ever have the nuts to go toe-to-toe with a true son of Chicago.

[Kurt Busiek]

Kurt, I didn't even respond to him (and won't). I sent my earlier email, stating exactly how things were going to go, and that he now had 13 days left. End of story. No more verbal dancing, no more pulling anyone into the mud, no more BS.

I'd send him a brief reminder e-mail at ten days and five days, just so he's aware the clock has not ceased to tick.

kdb

[TomStillwell]

He isn't paying for the original art, unless the contract specifies that he gets ownership of the art as well as publishing rights.

More likely, he's paying for publishing rights, which means that good-quality digital scans are more than acceptable, particularly since, in this case, he already seems to have accepted the artwork and had it inked, yes?

There are many artists at Marvel and DC these days who never deliver the actual art boards, just scans. Even more at other publishers, I'd think. It makes it easier for production to have the material in digital form, since the lettering and color will be digital as well, and it saves on the hassle of art returns if there's nothing to return.

kdb

I can honestly say I've never gotten any original artwork for Honor Brigade. It's all PDFs. It makes production so much smoother.

As far as I'm concerned, Brad owns those pages and can sells them off if he likes. I know he's used them as part of his portfolio when showing his work to DC.

[Kurt Busiek]

That's exactly how we operate at Trinity Comics. All artists contracted by me keep their original art, to do with as they like. I just require a high-rez digital scan. As you say, it is much easier, faster, more cost effective and the artists retain all rights to their original work.

In working on SUPERMAN, Carlos Pacheco and Jesus Merino send digital files from Spain. Mike Manley and Bret Blevins sent files, Eduardo Barreto's sending files. Butch Guice sent files on the Aquaman stuff we did, Brent Anderson and Alex Ross send files on the Astro City stuff.

Comics production is all digital these days -- sending physical art is slower and riskier, and unnecessary.

When it comes to writing, even moreso -- I haven't worked on a typewriter since 1983, so even then I was sending printouts, and once I got a fax machine, delivery became electronic. With e-mail, there's never even a printout any more, unless I print a script for an auction or something, or the artists print it to draw from.

There's no way to make the argument that sending physical artwork is a standard industry practice, not any more.

kdb

[TomStillwell]

In working on SUPERMAN, Carlos Pacheco and Jesus Merino send digital files from Spain. Mike Manley and Bret Blevins sent files, Eduardo Barreto's sending files. Butch Guice sent files on the Aquaman stuff we did, Brent Anderson and Alex Ross send files on the Astro City stuff.

Comics production is all digital these days -- sending physical art is slower and riskier, and unnecessary.

When it comes to writing, even moreso -- I haven't worked on a typewriter since 1983, so even then I was sending printouts, and once I got a fax machine, delivery became electronic. With e-mail, there's never even a printout any more, unless I print a script for an auction or something, or the artists print it to draw from.

There's no way to make the argument that sending physical artwork is a standard industry practice, not any more.

kdb

Amen.

My HB partner Brad Bowers lives in British Columbia. We've met only once, last year for Wizard World Chicago, after putting out two books already.

I've never met my letterer Dave Rothe although hopefully that will be rectified this summer. I don't even know where lives.

Everything we do is sent to the printer as a PDF file. All our communication is via e-mail. I really don't know if I could have managed to publish stuff the old fashioned way.

[Danny Donovan]

Do a cafepress mini-button and I'll add it to my collection.

Actually! That's one of the first things I made!

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=unscrewed.112513035

You aren't talking about me, are you? I got an email from you I just did not understand at all...

Nope! I meant Matt whatsisname from Newsarama.

Like I said it is very hard to find a good balance of news items over there. So much stuff on Civil War. Even on that little left hand side with all the little external links it's got Civil War related things most times.

I mean I know its supposedly a big storyline, but there ARE other things being published.

Like Aquaman!

;)

I need to watch over the hedge.

I did check IMDB and found out Sarah is talking about the Steve Carrell character. ;)

*marks it down as a must see*

^_^

[Inkpot1965]

The artwork is a moot point with Rick. Early on I asked him flat out if he needed the art or if he was satisfied with scans. From that moment everything was sent digitally. If, by some fluke, he got ahold of my inks, he'd be damned disappointed. A lot of that stuff was inked on copy paper simply because I knew it wouldn't be leaving my house. And I knew right from the start that these characters would NOT be hot sellers. No clamoring fanboys begging to buy an original. JT and I had a private game of naming the original characters Rick was swiping from. It was too obvious.

But bottom line is [you might want to let this sink in, Skidmark], you got our time and effort, you ain't gettin' nuthin' else.

[SteveForbes]

Yo' comic so slow I got Downs Syndrome just readin' it!

Yo' comic so slow, it nearly passed out from the speed of my wheelchair drivin' it home!

Quoted for hilarity!

-(tickled) llama

[CutterMike]

Makes me wanna listen to Leonard Cohen and read Jack Kerouac--both genetically linked to the Canadien French.

Wait--I'm doing that already!

Any Kerouac fans and Franco-Canadien-o-philes might be interested to know that, in celecration of the 50th anniversary of the publication of "On the Road", the city of Lowell, MA (Kerouac's hometown) will be having a summer-long celebration of Kerouac and his work, including having the manuscript for OtR on display.

http://www.cultureiscool.org/kerouac

And if you come around the weekend of July 27-29, you'll be right on time for the largest free folk music festival in the country.

http://www.lowellfolkfestival.org/

They haven't announced the line-up for this year, but past years have included everything from Angkor (Khmer Dance) to zydeco with Tuvan throat singers, Old Blind Dogs and Shemekia Copeland as leavening. It's a flamin' amazing weekend of music.

Y'all come!

[NatGertler]

Your pencil work was slow and not representative of needing the assistance your friend, Jeff.Should this ever become a court case, and you need to show that you provided appropriate materials, I would be glad to offer you a note such as this:To whom it may concern:

It has come to my attention that Rick Olney of Tightlip Entertainment has attempted to suggest that the artwork of J. Taylor was not up to the quality expected by writing that the work was “needing the assistance” of an inker, Jeff Austen.

I realize that Mr. Olney lacks experience in the field and may not have appropriate expectations. When a penciler (an artist who works in pencil) is hired for a comic book, it is generally expected that the assistance of an inker will be needed to make the work ready for publication. Inkers are commonly expected to not only add the contrast needed for reproduction, but also to add texture and flesh out some types of detail, make some corrections and adjustments, while at times eliminating detail or stray pencil markings.

Some comics are reproduced directly from the pencil art, but those cases are very much the exception rather than the rule. A penciler who was expected to produce directly-reproducible pencil drawings would be told that by the editor hiring him, as it requires specific techniques and extra effort not normally expected of the penciler.

Nat Gertler
Publisher, About Comics (since 1999)
Commercial comics writer (since 1989)
Co-writer, The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Creating a Graphic Novel
I imagine you would have little trouble getting someone with more impressive credentials to provide a similar note, or to find someone more local to testify to that in court.

[CutterMike]

I don't blame them because wow, white French culture, that's just totally different to anglo culture. There's certainly no similarities caused from common history and geography and religion at all, or a language with many words similar to English, or the same principles of democracy and what the hell? MY BRAIN HURTS! :(

Yes, but you must remember that the English hate admitting that they used to BE french... It's a sore spot.

[Inkpot1965]

Should this ever become a court case, and you need to show that you provided appropriate materials, I would be glad to offer you a note such as this:I imagine you would have little trouble getting someone with more impressive credentials to provide a similar note, or to find someone more local to testify to that in court.

Hey, that's pretty good. But you mispelled my name.:(

[THEDOC]

You had to say it, didn't you? You just *HAD* to say it?!!?

...There ain't been a REAL champion since Bruno Sammartino!

(Hell, I even remember when André the Giant was a BAD GUY!)

...Yes... I'm old...

*sigh*

No you're old when you remember watching Peter Maivia (The Rock's grandfather) wrestle along with then great Blasie/Tolos wars and a skinnier Andre. Now where is my walker you pencil neck geek..oh sorry thought I saw Rick!

[NatGertler]

Comics production is all digital these days -- sending physical art is slower and riskier, and unnecessary.And a pain in the neck, because all that's going to happen to the art that comes in is that it gets scanned anyway. I was just about to buy one of my artists a scanner before he suddenly finally did it himself.

[NatGertler]

Hey, that's pretty good. But you mispelled my name.:(Whoops, my apology; in between the time that I noticed your name and the time I actually typed the note, I had to cut open a pineapple for a two year old sweety who wanted to see a pineapple cut open. I would of course be glad to correct it for the actual note, should any be needed.

[THEDOC]

I'm working up my certificate for the high bidder for a custom embroidery for my contribution to the auction. Here is the authentication seal:

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6250/noscrewsjh6.png (http://imageshack.us)

Does that pass inspection?

Like to show that off at The Jam in 8 days!

[THEDOC]

Makes me wanna listen to Leonard Cohen and read Jack Kerouac--both genetically linked to the Canadien French.

Wait--I'm doing that already!

LOL:D :D :D :D

[THEDOC]

I'm getting around to hitting the usual suspects (and the not so usual ones) but I thought I'd post this here, if anyone wants to spread the word or just print it out and leave it with your LCS.

Mac gave me an official title! I'm important now! :)



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE --

Auctions to benefit exploited creators

UNSCREWED!, the organization created by comics creators, fans, and retailers to combat illegal and unethical practices by a would-be publisher, today announced a benefit auction to provide relief to the artists and writers exploited by that company. Since its inception in January, UNSCREWED! has grown quickly, amassing support from top name talents in the comic book industry, as well as many who are just begining their careers. Full reports of all Unscrewed! activities can be found at the website: http://www.unscrewedcomic.com (http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/)

The group was formed in early January of this year in response to the publisher's unethical business practices. After one writer's story was brought to light by an online journalist covering the comics business, several other creators came forward with shockingly similar stories of uncompensated work and threats of both physical violence and legal prosecution. UNSCREWED! grew out of a desire to assist the injured parties and to hold the publisher accountable.

While UNSCREWED! was forming, comics writer Mark Waid stepped forward to personally finance legal action against the publisher. Tom Stillwell, writer-publisher of Spinner Rack Comics' HONOR BRIGADE and comics fan Matt "Doc" Martin provided research and supporting evidence, with the result that two court judgments have recently been awarded to artists who filed suit.

With legal redress firmly underway, UNSCREWED! has turned its attention to the first of their relief efforts, the UNSCREWED! Auctions, with a starting line-up of 17 items available via eBay, including one-of-a-kind and rare items from the top names in comics. The first wave of auction items can be seen at http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZzapow21 (http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZzapow21)

UNSCREWED! media representative Danny Donovan had this to say about the auctions taking place: "It is just amazing to see our community standing strong in the face of something like this. For the longest time we've been thought of as a closed off, insular industry, but with UNSCREWED! we're proving that we're a community. When one person is wronged by the actions of an unscrupulous individual and [that individual] is left unchecked, they are able to do it again to someone else. By taking a stand we place the power back into the hands of those who create."

The first series of UNSCREWED! Auctions includes original art by acclaimed cartoonist Scott Shaw! of his characters from Captain Carrot and the Zoo Crew; individual headshots of Captain Carrot, Fastback, Little Cheese, Pig Iron, Rubber Duck, Yankee Poodle, American Eagle, and Alley-Kat-Abra. At the New York Comic-Con last weekend, DC Comics announced a new three-issue miniseries, CAPTAIN CARROT: THE FINAL ARC, to be drawn by Shaw! from a script by Bongo Comics' Bill Morrison. Donovan explains, "before DC releases their brand new epic mini series, you can own a piece of history, drawn and signed by the artist, Scott Shaw! And if that’s not enough you can also own a piece of PRE-history," referring to a headshot of beloved animated icon Fred Flintstone, a character that has been a major part of Shaw's career over the last three decades. Starting bids for each portrait are set at $25.

Famed writer Marv Wolfman (Teen Titans; Crisis of the Infinite Earths; creator of Blade) has contributed autographed full comic scripts from his current series, NIGHTWING, issues #125-127, along with the published corresponding issues (with art by Dan Jurgens) also signed by Wolfman. Bidding on this one of a kind piece of comic book memorabilia begins at $20.

A page of original art from Tom Bedland’s popular and critically acclaimed, award winning comic, “TRUE STORY, SWEAR TO GOD” has been donated by the author. This piece is from the original self published version of the currently being published by IMAGE COMICS. Complete with autograph by prolific artist/writer Tom Beland, the bidding on this stunning piece of art begins at $200.

Kurt Busiek has donated an extremely rare deluxe hardcover edition of his award-winning series MARVELS, which launched artist Alex Ross to super-stardom. It is an artist’s proof and not available anywhere else but UNSCREWED! Signed by both Busiek and Ross, the book features a second autograph by Busiek with a special message for UNSCREWED! Bidding starts at $80.

Busiek has also donated what Donovan describes as "a must have for any fan of super-heroes," a very rare boxed two-volume hardcover edition of the JLA/AVENGERS crossover. Volume One contains the complete mini-series with introductions by Stan Lee and the late Julie Schwartz, along with character and creator biographies, while Volume Two is a compendium featuring George Pérez's 21 pages pf pencils from the aborted 1983 crossover; the initial plot for the current mini-series and every character, place, and incident used in the mini-series carefully annotated by Pérez and Busiek. As with the MARVELS auction, this item comes signed by writer Kurt Busiek along with a very special message to the supporters of UNSCREWED! Bidding begins at $85.

Artist Jamal Igle, of FIRESTORM and NEW WARRIORS fame, has donated a signed piece of original art from MARVEL ADVENTURES: SPIDER-MAN #14. Fully penciled and inked, Bidding starts at: $50. "This piece is a must have for webheads, and a great way to kick off the countdown to Spider-man 3!" remarks Donovan.

As new items are added to the auction list, notices will be sent to the media and posted on the UNSCREWED! website.

In addition to the auctions, UNSCREWED! has begun a second relief effort, the Unscrewed! Anthology, with stories and art from some of the best and brightest artists and writers in the field. Legendary X-MEN artist PAUL SMITH contributes a special two page story which joins a host of stories collected in one volume, with proceeds going to help creators in need.

For the full story and mission statement of UNSCREWED! please visit their website at http://www.unscrewedcomic.com. (http://www.unscrewedcomic.com./) The website will be bringing webcomics online in the coming weeks. Parties interested in contributing work to the site please visit the UNSCREWED! website for submission guidelines.

Donovan closes out with these remarks: "As always I want to thank our gracious contributors and supporters in this important movement. The outpouring of submissions, one-of-a-kind items, and overall support is very much appreciated. Fan, Creator, Retailer alike, we thank you for that."


Hey Danny post that on the IF site for me?
Thanks!

[Inkpot1965]

Whoops, my apology; in between the time that I noticed your name and the time I actually typed the note, I had to cut open a pineapple for a two year old sweety who wanted to see a pineapple cut open. I would of course be glad to correct it for the actual note, should any be needed.

Mmmmm. Pineapple.

I doubt JT will need any additional notes. A summons will be the only message necessary. Skidmark's not under legal advisement, or SOMEONE would've shown up in Florida to represent him.

[Inkpot1965]

Whoops, my apology; in between the time that I noticed your name and the time I actually typed the note, I had to cut open a pineapple for a two year old sweety who wanted to see a pineapple cut open. I would of course be glad to correct it for the actual note, should any be needed.

Mmmmm. Pineapple.

I doubt JT will need any additional notes. A summons will be the only message necessary. Skidmark's not under legal advisement, or SOMEONE would've shown up in Florida to represent him.

[Inkpot1965]

Whoops, my apology; in between the time that I noticed your name and the time I actually typed the note, I had to cut open a pineapple for a two year old sweety who wanted to see a pineapple cut open. I would of course be glad to correct it for the actual note, should any be needed.

Mmmmm. Pineapple.

I doubt JT will need any additional notes. A summons will be the only message necessary. Skidmark's not under legal advisement, or SOMEONE would've shown up in Florida to represent him.

[Reverend Smooth]

I'm really astounded at how awesome the internet is for this kind of business.

I was upset at having to move over to digital media when I got sick, but it's a real time-saver nowadays; not so much regarding making the actual art, but definitely the means of sending it off and collaborating with others.

And no scanning.

[Inkpot1965]

Whoops, my apology; in between the time that I noticed your name and the time I actually typed the note, I had to cut open a pineapple for a two year old sweety who wanted to see a pineapple cut open. I would of course be glad to correct it for the actual note, should any be needed.



Mmmmm. Pineapple.

I doubt JT will need any additional notes. A summons will be the only message necessary. Skidmark's not under legal advisement, or SOMEONE would've shown up in Florida to represent him.

[Inkpot1965]

I knew I'd become repetitive some day.

[JTPencils]

I'd send him a brief reminder e-mail at ten days and five days, just so he's aware the clock has not ceased to tick.

kdb

Hadn't thought of that Kurt. Thanks. Excellent suggestion. Tick tick tick.

[THEDOC]

Diva, do you have an image of just that screw alone?

Reason I'm asking is because MacQ came up with a great design for our title, and the only change I recommended was adding a screw in place of the '!' in 'UNSCREWED!' That screw would be exactly the image I was looking for.

Lance has mentioned several times about making magnets for various things. That ribbon'd be absolutely beautiful as a magnet.

Do me a solid, Diva, and post that image over the UNSCREWED! site. I wanna get a discussion going on that.




Doc 'Threaded' Absurd

I can ask Wally if he has time to make the magnets with The Jam so close or at least have something done possibly for WW-Chicago.

[JTPencils]

Should this ever become a court case, and you need to show that you provided appropriate materials, I would be glad to offer you a note such as this:I imagine you would have little trouble getting someone with more impressive credentials to provide a similar note, or to find someone more local to testify to that in court.

I appreciate that Nat. Truly. I'm not sure what form the note would have to be in... but I"m sure it couldn't hurt. (Last time I had to do this, I went in loaded for bear... had everything I could get my hand on... papers... documents... reference materials... someone at the courtroom thought I WAS an actual lawyer I had so much stuff with me). So if you don't mind, I'd be obliged for you to send that along. (and yeah... it's Austin.. like Terry... but IMHO... much better).

[THEDOC]

For shits and giggles, and because my taglines have the subtlety of a brick to the head:

http://www.hollowcomic.com/danielle/unscrewedbannergrey.png

http://www.hollowcomic.com/danielle/unscrewedbannerpink.png

For the girly disgruntled creator, I suppose.

Great design I will see about magnets from WAlly.

[Inkpot1965]

I appreciate that Nat. Truly. I'm not sure what form the note would have to be in... but I"m sure it couldn't hurt. (Last time I had to do this, I went in loaded for bear... had everything I could get my hand on... papers... documents... reference materials... someone at the courtroom thought I WAS an actual lawyer I had so much stuff with me). So if you don't mind, I'd be obliged for you to send that along. (and yeah... it's Austin.. like Terry... but IMHO... much better).

Only cause I work cheap.

[JTPencils]

Mmmmm. Pineapple.

I doubt JT will need any additional notes. A summons will be the only message necessary. Skidmark's not under legal advisement, or SOMEONE would've shown up in Florida to represent him.

You say something Reb?

Hey, any and all notes, papers, cliff notes, cheat sheets, whatever... can do nothing but help. Remember, Rick might be a novice at this, but no doubt the judge has even LESS experience. So if he asks (and in the previous case I had... the judge DID) "what's the industry standard"? I would have the ammo ready to go. The note of course wouldn't go to YOR... but I'd have it in my own arsenal in case it's needed.

[Danny Donovan]

Hey Danny post that on the IF site for me?
Thanks!

Sure thing!

[JTPencils]

Only cause I work cheap.

Shhhhhhh... not supposed to let that out. A few flasks of Crown Royal, and he's yours for the hiring.

[THEDOC]

I think I'm fairly safe in reporting on this.

Jim got locked out of the MMC forums earlier this week. Seems he stood up for someone Olney didn't 'allow' him to. Once again, it was a matter of transgressing the unwritten Olney Law, crossing the battle lines into Olney-preceived enemy territory.

How the feck can he claim to support small press/independent creators when he treats one of the most prolific zine publishers like this?




Doc 'Spiting His Face' Absurd

Same ol Rick, never changes.

[Inkpot1965]

Shhhhhhh... not supposed to let that out. A few flasks of Crown Royal, and he's yours for the hiring.

If that weren't true, I'd "HIC" be offended.

[THEDOC]

Matt, I think the threats regarding Pittsburgh, Florida and Chicago have to do with the comic book conventions there (like PittCon, MegaCon, & Wizard World-Chi).

Like he might show up at one of them.

As the Rock would say..Just bring it! I would love ta see Rick show his face in Chi-town.

[THEDOC]

I remember hearing about this, and pretty much had the same reaction (with a few more expletives thrown in for good measure).

By December of last year, I had come to dread phone calls from him. I had to clear the line and make sure I wasn't talking to Momma (or I'd hear about it afterwards), get the Things in bed, brew a pot of coffee, get a fresh pack of smokes, and turn my brain off. It was just 60+ minutes of rabid foaming: he took this one off a book, another pro was mocking him, Ian was still a thorn in his side. I cut him slack about family matters, cuz I did my fair share of bitching, too.

Y'know, by the end of 2005, I stopped asking about my money; I knew the excuses by heart. He was the one regularly bringing it up and how we columnists were first on the list soon's he had the finances. He kept me off-balance by diverting my attention to the ICC instead of wondering how he was paying all those other creators when he never intended to pay us.

I believe the 'ROTS' was short for the 'Rick Olney Troll Squad'. Quake before them, yea verily, for they are few and misguided.

Jeez, could he possibly get any more paranoid?




Doc 'Making Tolkein Spin' Absurd

Good lord!

[THEDOC]

Chicago most likely has to do with me.

Like he'd ever have the nuts to go toe-to-toe with a true son of Chicago.

And me I thinks. I think it would make for an interesting con if the "con" did show up.

[THEDOC]

Sure thing!

Thanks M'man!

[Reverend Smooth]

Great design I will see about magnets from WAlly.

:3 Whatever I can do, hey.

[Matt Doc Martin]

For people who are not involved, AND those who are-- inspired by Matt Doc Martin:

http://www.hollowcomic.com/danielle/unscrewedservedbannergrey.png

http://www.hollowcomic.com/danielle/unscrewedservingbannerpink.png

Cross-posted to the unscrewed site. XD

beautiful!

[bert]

I don't know, a few Unscrewed! embroidered shirts at CAPE just might sell.

but. . . she's working on MY commission piece . . she doesn't have time to do shirts :p

(besides, I'm gonna proudly wear my "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a Happy Meal Today" T-shirt at Cape).

I feel like such a bystander here. . .but at least I've got to interact w/ some great folks, and I've got to throw some work towards some folks in the thread.

so I guess I can think peanut for *that*

[Reverend Smooth]

You're welcome! ^___^ Let me know if anything else is needed.

[bert]

I knew I'd become repetitive some day.

for some odd reason. . I'm craving Pineapple.

[THEDOC]

:3 Whatever I can do, hey.

He could also make stickers, window clings, and badges.

[Inkpot1965]

for some odd reason. . I'm craving Pineapple.

Now that's making me flashback to a line from a B-52 song.

[Linkara]

If I may ask, are they planning on making the merchandise through a company like CafePress or Zazzle or do they have their own resources to make it?

[DaveRothe]

We can post the work we did for RO on the Unscrewed site?

[Matt Doc Martin]

(besides, I'm gonna proudly wear my "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a Happy Meal Today" T-shirt at Cape).


Sweet!!!!

Remember kids...you can still get those here:

http://www.cafepress.com/mattdocmartin.100709414

[Reverend Smooth]

He could also make stickers, window clings, and badges.

I'm fine with whatever. Let me know beforehand so I can format high-res files in the right dimensions, and if I need to insert the website name somehow. (And what you want me to make stickers of, precisely.)

[Danny Donovan]

Steve,

a plain white shirt for ya

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=unscrewed.112575754

and a hat with the ribbon for Darren

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=unscrewed.112725490

[Flamebird]

HOLY SHIT!!!

If I make it to CAPE, will I need a table?;)


Yeah, You'll need somewhere to sign all those empty happy meal bags. :D

[Danny Donovan]

Yeah, You'll need somewhere to sign all those empty happy meal bags. :D


OMG! BRILLIANT IDEA!

people who bring a happy meal bag to an unscrewed! con both get a free sketch on the bag!!!!

[Reverend Smooth]

If I wasn't feeling so assy, I'd paint a happy meal with the unscrewed logo on it.

[MacQuarrie]

If this is the case.... and he wants to BUY the Work (as in object)... price just went up a few zero's. He's already had (and still has no doubt) the files to use for original reproduction of the art.

Again, that's IF the case is as stated here.

It is the case. Go to the library and check out a copy of the Graphic Artists Guild (http://www.gag.org/) Handbook of Pricing and Ethical Guidelines. Under International copyright law and generally-accepted industry principles, original art remains the property of the artist, unless ownership is negotiated separately and in advance. It's your work and Rick can't have it.

[MacQuarrie]

I'd send him a brief reminder e-mail at ten days and five days, just so he's aware the clock has not ceased to tick.

kdb

Yeah. Something like this:

"Tick Tock, Rick. Tick Tock."

And that's all.

[CutterMike]

Oo, oo, oo, oo, oo!!!! Me! I know the answer! Pick me!!


The answer is:
ALL OF THEM!!!

:evilsmile

Sadly, I suspect that the true answer = "all of them"+1

[MacQuarrie]

We can post the work we did for RO on the Unscrewed site?

Absolutely. In fact, we wish you would.

[SteveForbes]

Steve,

a plain white shirt for ya

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=unscrewed.112575754

and a hat with the ribbon for Darren

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=unscrewed.112725490

You are a man among men, and can do no wrong!

One last request, and I'll leave you alone about it (and I'll buy ALL versions of the shirt, to boot!):

Can you make it honkin' HUGE? I'm talking about something that can be seen well from 10-15 feet. Just put it right in the middle of the shirt, and have it be HUGE. Can that be done?

-(asks for a lot) llama

[CutterMike]

I have one that is not updated from the old floppy to the new interface, as I don't have the $$ to do it. (I actually am certified to work on Viking Machines, but the dealer in town went under, and therefore that opportunity to upgrade got past me.)


Is it some proprietary format? What's the file suffix? If it's at all possible to do, I'd be willing to try translating file types. I can do Mac, Windows, and Linux, so - unless it's a *COMPLETELY closed format - I may be able to finagle something onto a floppy for you. If you have an extant file, could you e-mail it to me an see if I can read it? If I can do that, then I may be able to back-translate.

Mike Moyle
Graphics Geek

[Danny Donovan]

You are a man among men, and can do no wrong!

One last request, and I'll leave you alone about it (and I'll buy ALL versions of the shirt, to boot!):

Can you make it honkin' HUGE? I'm talking about something that can be seen well from 10-15 feet. Just put it right in the middle of the shirt, and have it be HUGE. Can that be done?

-(asks for a lot) llama

Thank you!

I can, but probably not not on that site. The limit the size of the graphics to 10 inches by 10 inches.

I'm going to be looking into some other alternatives to CP. But that was just a quickie. I'm not the worlds bestest graphic designer, but I'll see if I can find a place that can do a larger imaging area.

-DD

[Flamebird]

OMG! BRILLIANT IDEA!

people who bring a happy meal bag to an unscrewed! con both get a free sketch on the bag!!!!

Hey, I still have moments of brilliance.


They may be few and far between, but still....:o


Ah well, off to work on my comicspace page; try not to let this damn thread grow more than ten or eleven pages while I'm gone, 'kay?

[NatGertler]

I appreciate that Nat. Truly. I'm not sure what form the note would have to be in... but I"m sure it couldn't hurt. PM me your address. I'll get it notarized and send it on.

[Reverend Smooth]

Blargle. x.x

[Reverend Smooth]

I don't remember if zazzle and lulu do shirts.

[Danny Donovan]

I don't remember if zazzle and lulu do shirts.

I was thinking 99 dogs.

<3 Are you okay Rev?

*hugs* take it easy! lol.

[wishlish]

Comics production is all digital these days -- sending physical art is slower and riskier, and unnecessary.


In some cases, it's impossible. Brian Bolland, one of the best damn cover artists ever, works completely digital, and there is no physical art created. I suspect that, as tablet technology improves, this will become more of the norm.

[wishlish]

Well done. And how cool of Marv was it for him to do this?

Gail

Mighty mighty cool. Although...

and I feel absolutely horrible about this

...I secretly wished for the script (if one existed) for my favorite comic book of all time, Fantastic Four #200, with the absolute best Reed-Doom fight EVER. (Yes, better than anything Lee/Kirby, Byrne, Simonson, Waid, or anyone else ever did.)

[Reverend Smooth]

I was thinking 99 dogs.

<3 Are you okay Rev?

*hugs* take it easy! lol.<3 Thank you. <3

I think so. Some vaguely distressing physical stuff brought on by stress from various sources.

It's just been one of those days. ^^; I'll get over it.

Things cool on your end? :3

[CutterMike]

No you're old when you remember watching Peter Maivia (The Rock's grandfather) wrestle along with then great Blasie/Tolos wars and a skinnier Andre. Now where is my walker you pencil neck geek..oh sorry thought I saw Rick!

DAMN!

Yuh... Yuh GOT me, Ol' Timer...!

*Thud*

(Looks up from the floor: "I'm ready for my closeup, Mr... Ah, forget it..."

[Reverend Smooth]

In some cases, it's impossible. Brian Bolland, one of the best damn cover artists ever, works completely digital, and there is no physical art created. I suspect that, as tablet technology improves, this will become more of the norm.Doesn't have to improve to do good work. I use one as it is to do everything digital.

[Linkara]

I don't remember if zazzle and lulu do shirts.

Yup, Zazzle does shirts. ^_^ They do the shirts for my webcomic!

Not so sure about Lulu...

[Danny Donovan]

http://www.zazzle.com/product/235352431334382279

There Steve!

I forgot I had a zazzle account. ;)

Thanks for reminding me Rev!

[Danny Donovan]

<3 Thank you. <3

I think so. Some vaguely distressing physical stuff brought on by stress from various sources.

It's just been one of those days. ^^; I'll get over it.

Things cool on your end? :3

Aww well if you ever need someone to vent to. I make for a good sounding board. ;)

Poor thing.

I'm okay! Well depends it changes with the wind actually. But right now I'm super, thanks for asking. :p

[Reverend Smooth]

Aww well if you ever need someone to vent to. I make for a good sounding board. ;)

Poor thing.It's fine. XD;;; Freelance artist blues, you know how that is.

I'm okay! Well depends it changes with the wind actually. But right now I'm super, thanks for asking. :pI'm glad that it's going okay now, Big Gay Dan. XD

[Danny Donovan]

It's fine. XD;;; Freelance artist blues, you know how that is.

I'm glad that it's going okay now, Big Gay Dan. XD

Now THAT's a nickname that will end up not helping me with my social life problems. :p

[MacQuarrie]

Bull.

She was there when the company was dissolved in January, according to the clerk.

She knew enough to take her name off the company.
I can totally see how she could be completely oblivious. She considers his comics thing a hobby, and as long as it isn't costing her money, she's happy to ignore it. It isn't costing her money because he isn't paying for anything. He's dodging service, most likely he's receiving the mail, he's used to lying to people, so she isn't going to really know anything until she gets served with court papers of her own. He could easily have come up with some "routine business" excuse to get her to go down to the courthouse and dissolve the business.

I know women of her approximate age who have absolutely no idea of their household finances; their husbands pay all the bills and do all the banking and they never see anything but the balance at the ATM. One such woman that I'm acquainted with (a former co-worker of my wife) is vaguely aware that she and her husband own some stocks and mutual funds, but she has no idea how much or what kind. She doesn't know how much is in savings, how much they owe on their house, how much it's worth, how much insurance her husband carries, or even which banks all their accounts are with. He tells her she doesn't need to worry about it, but if he drops dead some day, she'll be totally screwed.

I'm not giving Mrs Olney a pass by any means. Her name is on the business, or at least it was when the debts were incurred, so she is responsible for them. Hold her responsible. I'm just saying that absent any evidence, I have to allow that her participation may indeed be without malice. She may not know about the people her business has screwed over, and she may be blissfully unaware of just how much trouble she is in.

If anybody is still to file papers, it might be worth the extra fee to serve two sets of papers, one just for her. I know it's what I would do.

[Reverend Smooth]

Now THAT's a nickname that will end up not helping me with my social life problems. :p<3 <3 <3 XD

[Flamebird]

Now THAT's a nickname that will end up not helping me with my social life problems. :p

Oh, I dunno about that! Lose the hat, get a nice scarf and voila...


You could work it. ;)

[Kurt Busiek]

Yeah. Something like this:

"Tick Tock, Rick. Tick Tock."

And that's all.

Nah. Just terse but polite. Let him act like a jerk; the people on the other side can just act businesslike, and that'll do it.

kdb

[Danny Donovan]

Oh, I dunno about that! Lose the hat, get a nice scarf and voila...


You could work it. ;)

But probably not in the way I'd want it to. ;)

Something tells me that wouldn't go over big with the lady folk. I'd probaby end up being asked to go on more shopping trips than dates...

[MacQuarrie]

Oh, fine, go ahead and be the grownup.

[Larime]

But probably not in the way I'd want it to. ;)

Something tells me that wouldn't go over big with the lady folk. I'd probaby end up being asked to go on more shopping trips than dates...

Dude, chicks dig gay men.

[Reverend Smooth]

They totally do.

[Danny Donovan]

Dude, chicks dig gay men.
They totally do.

Still. I think I'll pass. ^_^;

But I appreciate the tips. ;)

*avoids going into a pity party about mean girls, that stole my heart... and my cat...* lol.

[Flamebird]

Still. I think I'll pass. ^_^;

But I appreciate the tips. ;)

*avoids going into a pity party about mean girls, that stole my heart... and my cat...* lol.

anytime you feel like having a pity party, especially about relationships and/or cats...

Just read "P.S. You're Cat is Dead". By James Kirkwood jr.


All of a sudden things won't seems so bad. Trust me. ;)

[Reverend Smooth]

Still. I think I'll pass. ^_^;

But I appreciate the tips. ;)

*avoids going into a pity party about mean girls, that stole my heart... and my cat...* lol.We love you. <333

[Danny Donovan]

Awww! Thanks guys! :)

I am wondering how long it'll take for anyone to catch the "So I married an axe murderer" reference.

"woman, Whoa-man... whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaa man."

[Reverend Smooth]

Meds + tired = stupid. ^^

[Darediva]

Is it some proprietary format? What's the file suffix? If it's at all possible to do, I'd be willing to try translating file types. I can do Mac, Windows, and Linux, so - unless it's a *COMPLETELY closed format - I may be able to finagle something onto a floppy for you. If you have an extant file, could you e-mail it to me an see if I can read it? If I can do that, then I may be able to back-translate.

Mike Moyle
Graphics Geek

It uses .hus IIRC. I can send you a high res file if you like.

Don't worry, Bert. If we can get this ribbon thing digitized, all I have to do is thread the machine and hit start and watch the thing run. I'm doing your commission piece by free motion. I'm getting ready to start it this weekend.

[Flamebird]

Meds + tired = stupid. ^^

Quoted for truth. Mine as well. :(

Back on topic:


Who's You're Lawyer, Rick???

How many cases Have you lost now, Rick???

Have you EVER paid hired talent what you owed them???

[Darediva]

Sorting through some stuff tonight and found the infamous Christmas card sent to me, postmarked 14 Dec 2004, wherein RO promises that he has NOT forgotten me, and "just as soon as this holiday season is a memory, I will be forwarding my $500.00 for the Spidey quilt." I'm glad I'm not holding my breath.

Oh, and when I turned the card over, it's from the NRA.

[Danny Donovan]

Meds + tired = stupid. ^^

No, no!

You're fine. Believe me the reason I AM the self loathing ball of nerosis is because of some really unpleasant ladies I cared about more than they cared about me. lol. (obviously)

But no one would ever get my cats. :p

I have 7! (6 are polydactyls, they have thumbs!) and one is a foundling.

All part of my little zoo with my mouse and english springer spaniel. :p

They can take my money... But they'll never take MY KITTIES!!!!!

[Danny Donovan]

Sorting through some stuff tonight and found the infamous Christmas card sent to me, postmarked 14 Dec 2004, wherein RO promises that he has NOT forgotten me, and "just as soon as this holiday season is a memory, I will be forwarding my $500.00 for the Spidey quilt." I'm glad I'm not holding my breath.

Oh, and when I turned the card over, it's from the NRA.

I have one of those. :p

Although it doesn't say Jack about my money. Just "merry christmas.. from Charlie Heston and some arms dealers"

[Darediva]

I have one of those. :p

Although it doesn't say Jack about my money. Just "merry christmas.. from Charlie Heston and some arms dealers"

What I am wondering about is the handwritten notation in the bottom right corner that says "104". WTF is that about?

Oh, and I loves my kitties, too. We have nine total now, ranging from almost 19 years old to just about a year. All rescues. Near and dear to me.

[Danny Donovan]

What I am wondering about is the handwritten notation in the bottom right corner that says "104". WTF is that about?

Oh, and I loves my kitties, too. We have nine total now, ranging from almost 19 years old to just about a year. All rescues. Near and dear to me.

Probably keeping track of how many he sent out so he can count how many he gets back, and those that don't send him a card in return get put on his enemies list.

Yay for kitties!

http://myspace-543.vo.llnwd.net/00704/34/52/704342543_l.jpg

Rick: Hey Billy Tucci, I love your work. You know I'm a famed creator and convention owner myself we should hang out.

Billy: Hey, sounds great. I'm kind of swamped with the con work and all but you have a good time at the con Rob...

Rick: It's Rick:

Billy: It sure is.

*rick walks away*

Rick (thinking): He's my best friend.

:)

[Reverend Smooth]

I have 7! (6 are polydactyls, they have thumbs!)
One of mine is like that, he uses them like those, too.

[Flamebird]

YOR was up early today I guess....

Here's his latest attempt at intimidation.

He goes back and forth between my last email and his own... I won't edit though, so you can try to understand his "thought" process...

He states.


" Mr Olney,

It is not a matter of "should I be paid". The work was accepted, it will be paid for. No "should" about it.


Mr. Taylor,
Your contarct outlined specific requirements, which you seem to have forgotten.

I will at this time, accept a company check. I will forewarn you that if there is any problems cashing said company check, there will be further litigation.


I'll accept that you are wary, although you have no need to be. I would, however caution you fro making public statements against my company and leading in support of your negative actions regarding defamation. Again, it is my opinion that you really should speak with an attorney and show said attorney copies of your contract and non-disclosure agreement. Both are dated with specific understandings.

Whereas, myself, Jim Taylor (sole proprietor and participant of Wet Inc Studios) was the person who produced the work for TightLip Entertainment, it's not a matter of a "studio vs individual" being recognized for payment. You hired Jim Taylor, on that point I agree. That I am now billing you under the umbrella of a Wet Inc Studio banner/logo is a non issue.


I am not involved with any connection to "Wet Inc Studios" , as I never had a contract with Said entity. I have no idea if Said company is legal, nor do I have Said compny's tax EIC number. No such umbrella exists, and again I advise you to seek the opinion of an attorney.

In regards to your requirement of a "hold harmless statement". I do not need to sign anything more, whereas you are required to pay for materials produced. Harm has already been inflicted by your woefully slow response in meeting your obligations to pay. There is nothing more I am required to sign other then the company check you stated you would pay me with.

J. Taylor
Wet Inc Studio


You're not getting paid without a signed hold harmless statement.. This document will be coming to you directly from my attorney, where after he's gotten it back, you'll get your check released. You were always aware and in full agreement of the conditions to your work-for-hire arrangement with my company. Your pencil work was slow and not representative of needing the assistance your friend, Jeff.

The real legal activities have not begun as yet, Mr. Taylor. Small Claims Court 'wins' are overturnable simply because certain steps are not taken by amateur attempts to present one side of a case action. It is the lowest rung on the legal determination ladder. Await the letter of release and handle it as you see fit. No further communication with me is necessary. Thank you. "

I am going to respond later, when I have time to craft a letter of reply that makes sense. Not that it matters. His grasp of English, both written and spoken, is probably just as bad as each other.

From his Jazma interview in march of 2006:
http://www.jazmaonline.com/interviews/interviews2.asp?intID=290


PDR: Who are some of the creative staff on your various titles?

RO: Well, as mentioned in our press release on Freedom 3 #1:

Jim Taylor is the pencilist on F3. Jim's had prior experience working with One Shot Press and Trinity Comics. His style was exactly what I was looking for in giving Freedom 3 visual reality.
TightLip's Creative Director, Jeff Austin is presently inking F3 and overseeing quality assurance. Jeff's credits include Faust, NightVision, Leatherface, Jack the Lantern, Big Bang Comics, and FemForce.

Dash Martin is our colorist on the F3 project. His previous credits include Savage Dragon: God War, SuperPatriot:War on Terror, and Outlaw Scorn 3030 AD. You can see Dash's work at: www.dashmartin.com

Chris Woodworth is lettering Freedom 3. Chris has a Harley Quinn fetish that is admirable. You can check out Chris' stuff at: www.uncannythings.com
Article even boasts the cover.

Seems that he liked your work well enough a year ago. ;)

You know, when he thought it was free.

So, Who wants a happy Meal NOW, Rick?

[Danny Donovan]

Two things..

1. All this talk of happy meals makes me want fries. :p And even though I have a McDonald's here that has a 24hr window open, it's in the bad part of town. :p Best to wait until morning.

2. I feel damn good, I'm getting a lot of responses back from fans who read the latest press release telling me they're going to post it around their usual haunts.

It feels damn good to be a gangsta. ;)

[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

I'm getting around to hitting the usual suspects (and the not so usual ones) but I thought I'd post this here, if anyone wants to spread the word or just print it out and leave it with your LCS.

Mac gave me an official title! I'm important now! :)



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE --

Auctions to benefit exploited creators

UNSCREWED!, the organization created by comics creators, fans, and retailers to combat illegal and unethical practices by a would-be publisher, today announced a benefit auction to provide relief to the artists and writers exploited by that company. Since its inception in January, UNSCREWED! has grown quickly, amassing support from top name talents in the comic book industry, as well as many who are just begining their careers. Full reports of all Unscrewed! activities can be found at the website: http://www.unscrewedcomic.com (http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/)

The group was formed in early January of this year in response to the publisher's unethical business practices. After one writer's story was brought to light by an online journalist covering the comics business, several other creators came forward with shockingly similar stories of uncompensated work and threats of both physical violence and legal prosecution. UNSCREWED! grew out of a desire to assist the injured parties and to hold the publisher accountable.

While UNSCREWED! was forming, comics writer Mark Waid stepped forward to personally finance legal action against the publisher. Tom Stillwell, writer-publisher of Spinner Rack Comics' HONOR BRIGADE and comics fan Matt "Doc" Martin provided research and supporting evidence, with the result that two court judgments have recently been awarded to artists who filed suit.

With legal redress firmly underway, UNSCREWED! has turned its attention to the first of their relief efforts, the UNSCREWED! Auctions, with a starting line-up of 17 items available via eBay, including one-of-a-kind and rare items from the top names in comics. The first wave of auction items can be seen at http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZzapow21 (http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZzapow21)

UNSCREWED! media representative Danny Donovan had this to say about the auctions taking place: "It is just amazing to see our community standing strong in the face of something like this. For the longest time we've been thought of as a closed off, insular industry, but with UNSCREWED! we're proving that we're a community. When one person is wronged by the actions of an unscrupulous individual and [that individual] is left unchecked, they are able to do it again to someone else. By taking a stand we place the power back into the hands of those who create."

The first series of UNSCREWED! Auctions includes original art by acclaimed cartoonist Scott Shaw! of his characters from Captain Carrot and the Zoo Crew; individual headshots of Captain Carrot, Fastback, Little Cheese, Pig Iron, Rubber Duck, Yankee Poodle, American Eagle, and Alley-Kat-Abra. At the New York Comic-Con last weekend, DC Comics announced a new three-issue miniseries, CAPTAIN CARROT: THE FINAL ARC, to be drawn by Shaw! from a script by Bongo Comics' Bill Morrison. Donovan explains, "before DC releases their brand new epic mini series, you can own a piece of history, drawn and signed by the artist, Scott Shaw! And if that’s not enough you can also own a piece of PRE-history," referring to a headshot of beloved animated icon Fred Flintstone, a character that has been a major part of Shaw's career over the last three decades. Starting bids for each portrait are set at $25.

Famed writer Marv Wolfman (Teen Titans; Crisis of the Infinite Earths; creator of Blade) has contributed autographed full comic scripts from his current series, NIGHTWING, issues #125-127, along with the published corresponding issues (with art by Dan Jurgens) also signed by Wolfman. Bidding on this one of a kind piece of comic book memorabilia begins at $20.

A page of original art from Tom Bedland’s popular and critically acclaimed, award winning comic, “TRUE STORY, SWEAR TO GOD” has been donated by the author. This piece is from the original self published version of the currently being published by IMAGE COMICS. Complete with autograph by prolific artist/writer Tom Beland, the bidding on this stunning piece of art begins at $200.

Kurt Busiek has donated an extremely rare deluxe hardcover edition of his award-winning series MARVELS, which launched artist Alex Ross to super-stardom. It is an artist’s proof and not available anywhere else but UNSCREWED! Signed by both Busiek and Ross, the book features a second autograph by Busiek with a special message for UNSCREWED! Bidding starts at $80.

Busiek has also donated what Donovan describes as "a must have for any fan of super-heroes," a very rare boxed two-volume hardcover edition of the JLA/AVENGERS crossover. Volume One contains the complete mini-series with introductions by Stan Lee and the late Julie Schwartz, along with character and creator biographies, while Volume Two is a compendium featuring George Pérez's 21 pages pf pencils from the aborted 1983 crossover; the initial plot for the current mini-series and every character, place, and incident used in the mini-series carefully annotated by Pérez and Busiek. As with the MARVELS auction, this item comes signed by writer Kurt Busiek along with a very special message to the supporters of UNSCREWED! Bidding begins at $85.

Artist Jamal Igle, of FIRESTORM and NEW WARRIORS fame, has donated a signed piece of original art from MARVEL ADVENTURES: SPIDER-MAN #14. Fully penciled and inked, Bidding starts at: $50. "This piece is a must have for webheads, and a great way to kick off the countdown to Spider-man 3!" remarks Donovan.

As new items are added to the auction list, notices will be sent to the media and posted on the UNSCREWED! website.

In addition to the auctions, UNSCREWED! has begun a second relief effort, the Unscrewed! Anthology, with stories and art from some of the best and brightest artists and writers in the field. Legendary X-MEN artist PAUL SMITH contributes a special two page story which joins a host of stories collected in one volume, with proceeds going to help creators in need.

For the full story and mission statement of UNSCREWED! please visit their website at http://www.unscrewedcomic.com. (http://www.unscrewedcomic.com./) The website will be bringing webcomics online in the coming weeks. Parties interested in contributing work to the site please visit the UNSCREWED! website for submission guidelines.

Donovan closes out with these remarks: "As always I want to thank our gracious contributors and supporters in this important movement. The outpouring of submissions, one-of-a-kind items, and overall support is very much appreciated. Fan, Creator, Retailer alike, we thank you for that."

Danny, posted this over at www.monitorduty.com (http://www.monitorduty.com) and I see you beat me to posting it at www.dixonverse.net (http://www.dixonverse.net). ;)

[Danny Donovan]

Danny, posted this over at www.monitorduty.com (http://www.monitorduty.com) and I see you beat me to posting it at www.dixonverse.net (http://www.dixonverse.net). ;)

I'm a tricky devil!

:) But thanks!!! Every place should be covered.

[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

Thank you!

I can, but probably not not on that site. The limit the size of the graphics to 10 inches by 10 inches.

I'm going to be looking into some other alternatives to CP. But that was just a quickie. I'm not the worlds bestest graphic designer, but I'll see if I can find a place that can do a larger imaging area.

-DD

Try www.zazzle.com (http://www.zazzle.com). I made a couple of Aym Geronimo shirts from them for Chicago last year and the images were huge. I didn't mean them to be but that was my fault. I AM a writer and not an artist. ;)

EDIT: Well obviously everyone else thought of this first. ;)

[Flamebird]

From :Journalista, in NOV. 2006
http://www.tcj.com/journalista/?p=225

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o103/flamebird_2006/payjoematt.jpg


Tucked away in his column this week for Comic Book Resources, Rich Johnston follows the ongoing kerfuffle over the aptly named TightLip Entertainment’s Rick Olney and his inability to acknowledge difficulties in publishing and paying the creators with whom he works. As writer Chuck Dixon puts it, “No payment issues that haven’t ‘been worked out to the mutual satisfaction of both parties’ — this is simply not the case. We were told we’d be paid and we haven’t been. About as mutually satisfying as a cannibal buffet. […] Olney cited production delays due to business and personal reasons, but that no one contacted about this has expressed problems — no problems expressed beyond, ‘Where the hell’s my money?’ No response to this beyond a kind of ‘You’re harshin’ my buzz’ reply.”

Of course, late payments and seat-of-the-pants production schedules aren’t exactly new to independent publishing. The problem here seems to be more one of communication than anything else; most indy publishers suffer from cash-flow difficulties from time to time, but manage to stay in good graces with the artists they publish by being up-front about it, and by keeping them informed about the steps that they’re taking to rectify the situation. Olney’s refusal to acknowledge such problems even to contracted clients like Dixon only digs him further into the hole, and appears to be what has led to some of said clients complaining in public by emailing Rich Johnston. In business, the cover-up is almost always worse than the crime. You reap what you sew, Rick; perhaps it’s time to stop stonewalling your writers and artists, and tell them what the hell’s going on. (Above: Joe Matt complaining about late payments from Drawn & Quarterly, in the newly released, Drawn & Quarterly-published fourteenth issue of Peep Show, ©2006 Joe Matt. I dare Rick Olney to publish one of his artist’s complaints about such matters.)


Wouldn't he have to PUBLISH something first?:rolleyes:

[JTPencils]

From his Jazma interview in march of 2006:
http://www.jazmaonline.com/interviews/interviews2.asp?intID=290



Article even boasts the cover.

Seems that he liked your work well enough a year ago. ;)

You know, when he thought it was free.

So, Who wants a happy Meal NOW, Rick?

You pretty much nailed it on the head Flamebird. Problem is, Rick doesn't understand (or can't) that Jeff (as an embellishing inker) is always going to tweak up a penciller's work, no matter how it looks (it's his way, and a damn fine way to work I think... why NOT make it look better then it does already?). Nor can Rick appreciate that I didn't get "slow", I STOPPED because I saw he wasn't paying people for work they were doing. I saw it all around me, and figured I was NOT going to continue to work for free. (your later posted strip is EXACTLY how I felt). So though I will FREELY admit I'm not the fastest penciller in the world. Everything I DID produce for Rick was on time (and in some instances ahead of time), for what he demanded... there wasn't going to be any further work, while payment was not forthcoming. Easy as that.

As to one minute being "the exact style I was looking for" and then later changing his mind? Like ya said when it was "free" (in his mind), it was perfect... when it was going to cost him... "nahhhhhhh". Can't have it both ways.

[Flamebird]

Couldn't sleep,felt like crap and was crabby.

So I says ta myself,"Self",I says; "who better ta take it out on than good ol'peanut?"


So I did.:D


I also went to the comic convention board, where Tony posted his "Warning";

Joined up and pointed out to them that "Rick" was a member under a few aliases. Odds are he won't be welcome back there either. :evilsmile

[Inkpot1965]

I'm still waiting for Skidmark to forward that e-mail along to me where I remarked that JT was "substandard". Oh, that's right, all of the e-mails before mid-last year are on the old computer that ended up in the trash. How convenient.

[Flamebird]

I'm still waiting for Skidmark to forward that e-mail along to me where I remarked that JT was "substandard". Oh, that's right, all of the e-mails before mid-last year are on the old computer that ended up in the trash. How convenient.

I'm sure it's right next to his never working "Scanner of Truthfullness" :eek:

[Gail Simone]

Probably keeping track of how many he sent out so he can count how many he gets back, and those that don't send him a card in return get put on his enemies list.

Yay for kitties!

http://myspace-543.vo.llnwd.net/00704/34/52/704342543_l.jpg

Rick: Hey Billy Tucci, I love your work. You know I'm a famed creator and convention owner myself we should hang out.

Billy: Hey, sounds great. I'm kind of swamped with the con work and all but you have a good time at the con Rob...

Rick: It's Rick:

Billy: It sure is.

*rick walks away*

Rick (thinking): He's my best friend.

:)


Okay, that was funny.

Gail

[JTPencils]

I'm still waiting for Skidmark to forward that e-mail along to me where I remarked that JT was "substandard". Oh, that's right, all of the e-mails before mid-last year are on the old computer that ended up in the trash. How convenient.

He'll mail you the hard copy of that email Reb, along with your payment for everything you did. Just takes awhile to get his lawyer's mail out. All those annoying stamps ya know.

[Flamebird]

Morning, your "Gailness",
er...(take 2)

Morning Gail,(yeah , that's better)

Any word on more of the people that have contacted you privately either coming forward or persuing legal action?

If they are uncomfortable speaking out publicly, I understand, but hope that they aren't just rolling over and playing "victim" to this deadbeat.

[JTPencils]

Just curious... and this is an open question to all. Mark Waid said to contact him about taking up action against YOR. He said someone would be able to supply his email, but I honestly can't remember who he said to ask. Seeing how there's 12 days left, and I'm going to want to prepare for this, I'll need to get in touch with Mark. Could someone PM me and supply me that information? Thanks!


BTW... Morning Gail. If and when I find you at a con (and sadly, they don't have enough in the northeast where I'm from)... first round of cocktail's is on me. (But don't hold it against me if I just have a soft drink... I'm not much of a drinker... but order whatever pleases ya!).

[Danny Donovan]

Okay, that was funny.

Gail

Yay! I got a Gail seal of approval!

This week has been AWESOME. :p

Oh and for anyone that wants con wear or whatever for Unscrewed stuff. I have been burning the midnight oil trying to get some of these things to work out well..

<embed wmode="transparent" src="http://www.zazzle.com/assets/swf/zp/zp.swf?cn=238345884005187792&st=date_created&tl=My+Zazzle+Panel&skn=default&ch=dannydonovan" FlashVars="feedId=0&path=http://www.zazzle.com/assets/swf/zp/skins" width="450" height="300" TYPE="application/x-shockwave-flash"></embed>

some are better than others! I have a LOT of stuff to pick from. I'll be doing some womens shirt designs later today when I get time.

If any of you graphic gurus have time. I have an idea for a cool unscrewed shirt, which was sparked by something Danielle said.

Maybe a happy meal box (the old school kind, cardboard with handles) with the unscrewed logo on it?

The copy I was going to run (above or below the design depending) was "Have you had your Justice today?"

If that embed doesn't work the link is here:

http://www.zazzle.com/dannydonovan/products

Alice and Danielle knocked those logos outta the park. There are two black shirts, one has a transparency to it, which just looked cool to me, the other is done normal for those who aren't me.

I'll be doing one of those "Steve" shirts in black for those who like the big ribbon but want a darker color...

And hmm.. there are magnets, bumper stickers, all sorts.

As always it's just the bare minimum, no mark-up I'm just doing this to help the cause, not to line pockets. I'm thinking of focusing mostly on Zazzle because they have a larger line of stuff (and since I seem to already have an account alls the better)

More stuff will be added as I have time/inspiration. But if anyone has any neat logo's designs, what have you, I'll save them on my HD and do something with them! :)

[Typo Lad]

I'm catching up, so please humor me if this has been covered


Re: original art.

When I produced Periphery (the crappy one, not the good book by the same title someone else made) back in 1999, we worked entirely off of digital files, even then. There was one person who was supposed to ink a story for an ashcan manually and lost the original art. We learned from that mistake real fast.

Every artist/company I have worked with has a clause in their contracts that the artist owns the originals.

It's essentially industry standard.

[CutterMike]

It uses .hus IIRC. I can send you a high res file if you like.


Sure, send it on. I sent you an e-mail to confirm my address.

Taking it off-thread so as not to bor the rest with my minutiae.

[Kozemp]

I can totally see how she could be completely oblivious. She considers his comics thing a hobby, and as long as it isn't costing her money, she's happy to ignore it. It isn't costing her money because he isn't paying for anything. He's dodging service, most likely he's receiving the mail, he's used to lying to people, so she isn't going to really know anything until she gets served with court papers of her own. He could easily have come up with some "routine business" excuse to get her to go down to the courthouse and dissolve the business.

I know women of her approximate age who have absolutely no idea of their household finances; their husbands pay all the bills and do all the banking and they never see anything but the balance at the ATM. One such woman that I'm acquainted with (a former co-worker of my wife) is vaguely aware that she and her husband own some stocks and mutual funds, but she has no idea how much or what kind. She doesn't know how much is in savings, how much they owe on their house, how much it's worth, how much insurance her husband carries, or even which banks all their accounts are with. He tells her she doesn't need to worry about it, but if he drops dead some day, she'll be totally screwed.


One of my mother's Aunts - I guess that makes her my great aunt - about ten years ago her husband, who was one of the great sons of bitches of all time, died. He was the same way, controlled all the finances, kept her on an allowance, etc.

The laws about bank accounts, I guess, must be different now. Probably because of electronic banking and all, but that got sorted out. She knew where all that stuff was and finally had access to it, though it wasn't much.

Couple weeks after he died she got around to cleaning out all his stuff and found $78,000 in a locked drawer in his desk.

Apparently it was his savings. She had no idea it was there.

The family went to Disneyworld. I mean THE FAMILY.

JLK
tower of terror, woooooooo

[Comcman]

I can totally see how she could be completely oblivious. She considers his comics thing a hobby, and as long as it isn't costing her money, she's happy to ignore it. It isn't costing her money because he isn't paying for anything. He's dodging service, most likely he's receiving the mail, he's used to lying to people, so she isn't going to really know anything until she gets served with court papers of her own. He could easily have come up with some "routine business" excuse to get her to go down to the courthouse and dissolve the business.

I know women of her approximate age who have absolutely no idea of their household finances; their husbands pay all the bills and do all the banking and they never see anything but the balance at the ATM. One such woman that I'm acquainted with (a former co-worker of my wife) is vaguely aware that she and her husband own some stocks and mutual funds, but she has no idea how much or what kind. She doesn't know how much is in savings, how much they owe on their house, how much it's worth, how much insurance her husband carries, or even which banks all their accounts are with. He tells her she doesn't need to worry about it, but if he drops dead some day, she'll be totally screwed.

I'm not giving Mrs Olney a pass by any means. Her name is on the business, or at least it was when the debts were incurred, so she is responsible for them. Hold her responsible. I'm just saying that absent any evidence, I have to allow that her participation may indeed be without malice. She may not know about the people her business has screwed over, and she may be blissfully unaware of just how much trouble she is in.

If anybody is still to file papers, it might be worth the extra fee to serve two sets of papers, one just for her. I know it's what I would do.

By having her name on the paperwork for the business, it is her responsibility. A partner is liable for the actions of their partners. "I didn't know" is not a defense.

Serving the company is the same as serving her, but it does not hurt to serve her personally as well. Could make for a rough day. "You said you took care of this!" "Well, my strategy of ignoring it and hoping it would go away didn't seem to work."

[Matt Doc Martin]

By having her name on the paperwork for the business, it is her responsibility. A partner is liable for the actions of their partners. "I didn't know" is not a defense.

Serving the company is the same as serving her, but it does not hurt to serve her personally as well. Could make for a rough day. "You said you took care of this!" "Well, my strategy of ignoring it and hoping it would go away didn't seem to work."

Someone who will remain private sent me this bit:

As far as his wife goes, I honestly wouldn't take her into consideration.
If they are married and together, she had to be aware of his dealings. Which wouldn't make her innocent.
And if they are separated, I doubt she'll be called to the table.

And if by some chance she gets tangled up in it, and she's innocent, then she also has the means to take him to court as well... and she'd stand a better chance of cleaning up than any of us would. So she's not going to lose out because of this.

I think that sums it up beautifully.

[Typo Lad]

Matt, no one's saying she's not responsible; after all, her name was on the company.

She just might be ignorant.

JT: If you do have to file suit, I would like to second serving her as well. Instead of suing "Rick Onley operating as TightLip," sue "Rick and Barbara Olney, operating as TightLip".

[Comcman]

I just received my invoice for next weeks books and see there is something called Honor Brigade on it. Anybody know anything about this book?




Congrats, Tom! 4 more titles at one time and you'll challenge Gail for shelf space. Heck kdb only has 3 on the shelf right now. What do you guys know about getting books out?



Tokens.

[Stressfactor]

JT... in regards to RO wanting the original art I wonder if this has anything to do with his claims of copyright? I seem to recall waaaaayyyyy back somewhere in this mega-thread Rick was trying to claim that he owned ALL the rights to the characters you drew and by you posting them here and on the Unscrewed site you were violating his copyright.

I wonder if he thinks he gets the original art from you then that will keep you from either selling it or the character designs to someone else.

As for the getting Mark Waid's e-mail address -- Mark said to contact Gail about it.

[SteveForbes]

http://www.zazzle.com/product/235352431334382279

There Steve!

I forgot I had a zazzle account. ;)

Thanks for reminding me Rev!

Cool, Danny! You da man!

Now, when I go to add one to my cart, it's telling me an error has happened, & to try again later.

So I'll try again later.

-(let's do it again) llama

[Danny Donovan]

Probably petty, but I just thought it was funny. I just notice Rick isn't on the "top 8 friends" of his own convention's myspace page.

That's odd. ;)

You'd think if you ran a convention you'd have your personal profile right there at the top, first name.

Like on his personal page it lists tightlip and mmc as the first two "friends"

Also, what is it with his obsession with the 1,000 mark? He had a lot of people drop off his friends list and then like the next day it was back to 1005.... then a few days later, it dropped off again, then back to 1005.

currently it's at 1007, I assume because he figures people will drop off eventually and he'll get his 1,005.

:p

But yeah, just sayin' is all.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Probably petty, but I just thought it was funny. I just notice Rick isn't on the "top 8 friends" of his own convention's myspace page.

That's odd. ;)

You'd think if you ran a convention you'd have your personal profile right there at the top, first name.

Like on his personal page it lists tightlip and mmc as the first two "friends"

Also, what is it with his obsession with the 1,000 mark? He had a lot of people drop off his friends list and then like the next day it was back to 1005.... then a few days later, it dropped off again, then back to 1005.

currently it's at 1007, I assume because he figures people will drop off eventually and he'll get his 1,005.

:p

But yeah, just sayin' is all.


Considering 6 of his "friends" are Starr's various MySpace identities...and other dup entries...and all his porn chick friends....and Billy Tucci who we know for a fact isn't Rick's close buddy....


I don't put much stock into his 1000.

[wishlish]

Sure, send it on. I sent you an e-mail to confirm my address.

Taking it off-thread so as not to bor the rest with my minutiae.

Off-topic, but anyone with a Star Blazers pic in their avatar (Captain Avatar!) is a-okay with me.

[Danny Donovan]

Considering 6 of his "friends" are Starr's various MySpace identities...and other dup entries...and all his porn chick friends....and Billy Tucci who we know for a fact isn't Rick's close buddy....


I don't put much stock into his 1000.

Yeah you don't want to get Billy mad at you. He's got a hot white faced chick with a sword on his team. :p

I mean I know it's very padded, I mean most of them are fictional characters like "Hobgoblin" and "Batman"

But it just seems very odd how up until now he's not wanted to go over the 1005 and couldn't stand being under it.

The number will lead us to the liberal treasure! I saw it in a movie with Nick Cage! See all these dirty plebes hid treasure so they can fund illegal civil charges against a bastion of truth and justice and the number 1005 will lead you to its whereabouts!

We have to find it before the trolls do!

[SteveForbes]

Yay! I got a Gail seal of approval!

This week has been AWESOME. :p

Oh and for anyone that wants con wear or whatever for Unscrewed stuff. I have been burning the midnight oil trying to get some of these things to work out well..

<embed wmode="transparent" src="http://www.zazzle.com/assets/swf/zp/zp.swf?cn=238345884005187792&st=date_created&tl=My+Zazzle+Panel&skn=default&ch=dannydonovan" FlashVars="feedId=0&path=http://www.zazzle.com/assets/swf/zp/skins" width="450" height="300" TYPE="application/x-shockwave-flash"></embed>

some are better than others! I have a LOT of stuff to pick from. I'll be doing some womens shirt designs later today when I get time.

If any of you graphic gurus have time. I have an idea for a cool unscrewed shirt, which was sparked by something Danielle said.

Maybe a happy meal box (the old school kind, cardboard with handles) with the unscrewed logo on it?

The copy I was going to run (above or below the design depending) was "Have you had your Justice today?"

If that embed doesn't work the link is here:

http://www.zazzle.com/dannydonovan/products

Alice and Danielle knocked those logos outta the park. There are two black shirts, one has a transparency to it, which just looked cool to me, the other is done normal for those who aren't me.

I'll be doing one of those "Steve" shirts in black for those who like the big ribbon but want a darker color...

And hmm.. there are magnets, bumper stickers, all sorts.

As always it's just the bare minimum, no mark-up I'm just doing this to help the cause, not to line pockets. I'm thinking of focusing mostly on Zazzle because they have a larger line of stuff (and since I seem to already have an account alls the better)

More stuff will be added as I have time/inspiration. But if anyone has any neat logo's designs, what have you, I'll save them on my HD and do something with them! :)


I've got my own line of shirts!

Foist, da shoits, next, da WOILD!!!!!!!!

::insert maniacal laughter here, and then a wheezing cough::

Anyway, I'll be ordering shirts today!!!

-(asthma attack) llama

[Danny Donovan]

Cool, Danny! You da man!

Now, when I go to add one to my cart, it's telling me an error has happened, & to try again later.

So I'll try again later.

-(let's do it again) llama

No prob!

If you keep having trouble let me know I'll look into it. It might be a problem with your browser cookies.

I know I was having a terrible time getting things to work earlier.

[Paul D. Storrie]

Probably keeping track of how many he sent out so he can count how many he gets back, and those that don't send him a card in return get put on his enemies list.

Yay for kitties!

http://myspace-543.vo.llnwd.net/00704/34/52/704342543_l.jpg

Rick: Hey Billy Tucci, I love your work. You know I'm a famed creator and convention owner myself we should hang out.

Billy: Hey, sounds great. I'm kind of swamped with the con work and all but you have a good time at the con Rob...

Rick: It's Rick:

Billy: It sure is.

*rick walks away*

Rick (thinking): He's my best friend.

:)

I think it's hilarious that Olney seems to think that if someone smiles in a photo (as we're all trained to do from a young age!) it means the person is having a grand old time.

"Hey, you were smiling in this picture! You LOVED being at my convention! And Billy Tucci smiled AND gave a thumbs up in this picture. It means were BESTEST friends FOREVER! No, REALLY."

PDS

[the4thpip]

I think it's hilarious that Olney seems to think that if someone smiles in a photo (as we're all trained to do from a young age!) it means the person is having a grand old time.

"Hey, you were smiling in this picture! You LOVED being at my convention! And Billy Tucci smiled AND gave a thumbs up in this picture. It means were BESTEST friends FOREVER! No, REALLY."

PDS

Actually, Tucci is making the "L" sign for "loser" with his hand.

[Danny Donovan]

Actually, Tucci is making the "L" sign for "loser" with his hand.

That's ONE way of looking at it!

lol. :)

To be fair I should point out it's a surfer greeting. And Billy still hates California. :p

[TomStillwell]

Okay, that was funny.

Gail

It's funny because I'm sure that's exactly how it happened.

[TomStillwell]

I just received my invoice for next weeks books and see there is something called Honor Brigade on it. Anybody know anything about this book?




Congrats, Tom! 4 more titles at one time and you'll challenge Gail for shelf space. Heck kdb only has 3 on the shelf right now. What do you guys know about getting books out?



Tokens.

I'm finally pushing those crumb catchers who have been keeping me down for years out of the way!!! Take that chumps!!!

[Danny Donovan]

Welp, it looks like one other person has made Rick's hit list.

Is there going to be ANYONE on that forum of his if this continues?

[Papergirl]

Welp, it looks like one other person has made Rick's hit list.

Is there going to be ANYONE on that forum of his if this continues?
Just him, Dennis and all of Dick's little sock puppets.

~Bev

[Danny Donovan]

Just him, Dennis and all of Dick's little sock puppets.

~Bev

By that I think you must mean ACTUAL socks he puts googly eyes on and putting on fake convention panels for them.

[JTPencils]

JT... in regards to RO wanting the original art I wonder if this has anything to do with his claims of copyright? I seem to recall waaaaayyyyy back somewhere in this mega-thread Rick was trying to claim that he owned ALL the rights to the characters you drew and by you posting them here and on the Unscrewed site you were violating his copyright.

I wonder if he thinks he gets the original art from you then that will keep you from either selling it or the character designs to someone else.

As for the getting Mark Waid's e-mail address -- Mark said to contact Gail about it.

Thanks much, curse me for not remembering that for the next hundred pages of posts or so!

Oh as far as Rick's characters... he would offer co-ownership, then take it back, then re-offer it. He's loopy.

[TomStillwell]

Holy Moley!!!

Check out the hot bids going on in the auction.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZzapow21

Kurt Busiek FTW!!!

Captain Carrot seems to be one rare hare!

[Danny Donovan]

Holy Moley!!!

Check out the hot bids going on in the auction.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZzapow21

Kurt Busiek FTW!!!

Captain Carrot is seems to be one rare hare!

Any chance I can take partial credit from my mad l337 pimpage? :p

I've got my fingers crossed on getting some word back from some pretty big places outside the comics world that might be convinced to run it as a 'puff piece'

[Guapo Méndez]

Holy Moley!!!

Check out the hot bids going on in the auction.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZzapow21

Kurt Busiek FTW!!!

Captain Carrot is seems to be one rare hare!

Worthy enough case to dust off the old ebay account.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm finally pushing those crumb catchers who have been keeping me down for years out of the way!!! Take that chumps!!!

Its about damn time you pushed those old creators outta a spot and took it ! Your a LEGEND KILLER Tom Stillwell. You kill LEGENDS. I wanna see a t-shirt made where you have Dixon's , Simone's, Busiek and Waid's name crossed out.


LEGEND KILLER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hdf2KCXzZY

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

I'm finally pushing those crumb catchers who have been keeping me down for years out of the way!!! Take that chumps!!!

Awesome! I'll be looking for this.

JP

[Danny Donovan]

I'm finally pushing those crumb catchers who have been keeping me down for years out of the way!!! Take that chumps!!!


If I don't get a free copy I'll sue you!

[JTPencils]

If I don't get a free copy I'll sue you!

Sign a hold harmless first, and he'll send you that free copy.

[Guapo Méndez]

I'd make him sign a "hold harmless" before he'd receive the other "hold harmless."

[Ronée]

HOLY SHIT!!! I just read this thoroughly! I am honored to be named, but not deserving. EVERYONE here has worked well together to do him in. (And I have NOTHING on the work Tom Stillwell has done)


If I make it to CAPE, will I need a table?;)if u go to CAPE, I'll give you half of mine!!

[khuxford]

Whenever anyone has a finished product ready for review, I'll gladly review it on Newsarama.com...just PM me and we'll exchange e-mail addresses to likely have a PDF sent (not looking for free copies, but uncertain if I'll find a copy at the LCS quick enough for a timely review).

[Ronée]

me too. I am starting up reviews again in my column/site.

also, Danny you da man! I think my crush grows more every post.

oh and from now on I want to be referred to as "Ronée"

[TomStillwell]

Any chance I can take partial credit from my mad l337 pimpage? :p

I've got my fingers crossed on getting some word back from some pretty big places outside the comics world that might be convinced to run it as a 'puff piece'

Danny, you did a great job of getting the word out.

This is the first auction I've ever run and I was a bit worried about it. Everything seems to be working out and hopefully we'll get a buttload of money to help people.

[Linkara]

Whenever anyone has a finished product ready for review, I'll gladly review it on Newsarama.com...just PM me and we'll exchange e-mail addresses to likely have a PDF sent (not looking for free copies, but uncertain if I'll find a copy at the LCS quick enough for a timely review).

Sooo, how about webcomic reviews, eh? Eh? ^_~

I kid. I do ask, though, how did the topic of reviews come up? I've been trying to keep up with the thread, but I lost it about 50 pages ago thanks to lots of shoveling snow.

[Matt Doc Martin]

if u go to CAPE, I'll give you half of mine!!

If I make it there, I will take you up on that. I will continue this conversation in the CAPE thread, post-shower.

[khuxford]

Sooo, how about webcomic reviews, eh? Eh? ^_~

I kid. I do ask, though, how did the topic of reviews come up? I've been trying to keep up with the thread, but I lost it about 50 pages ago thanks to lots of shoveling snow.

I'm open to reviewing any stuff at all, as I'd like to review more non-DC/Marvel stuff. I just ask that people keep it to PMs if it has nothing to do with the Olney fiasco (as in you're not one of those who was wronged by him).

But the reviews mention came up because I believe I saw a message that indicates something is coming out in a week or two from someone who was involved in "business" with Olney. I wanted to make sure I got the word out that I'm willing to offer review coverage in the Best Shots column.

[Darediva]

Danny, you are doing a great job getting the t-shirts and stuff on the road. That's the quickest way to do those.

I posted a revised logo on Unscrewed that is a bit more crisp if you want to use that one, be my guest.

[Dreadstar]

Y'know, I'm reminded of the time in late Junior High, when one of the knuckle dragging Moe-type bullies started picking on a quiet effeminate guy. What he didn't know was that Veach was 1st Dan in judo. Or however you call it in judo. He got thrown around the hallway mercilessly for about 5 minutes, and a teacher broke it up before Veach could strangle him with his own clothing.

Moe didn't show up at school for over a week after that.

I imagine that it's the same with Big Pussy. He's been thrown around the hallway, choked-out twice, and he'd be too embarrassed and humiliated to show his face in here again. Who knows, though? We might get lucky. His wife may leave him and the liquor cabinet unsupervised again.

[Linkara]

I'm open to reviewing any stuff at all, as I'd like to review more non-DC/Marvel stuff. I just ask that people keep it to PMs if it has nothing to do with the Olney fiasco (as in you're not one of those who was wronged by him).

But the reviews mention came up because I believe I saw a message that indicates something is coming out in a week or two from someone who was involved in "business" with Olney. I wanted to make sure I got the word out that I'm willing to offer review coverage in the Best Shots column.

Well, that's certainly nice to hear and I'm not of course involved directly in the Olney fiasco other than my own vocal support for those screwed over by him. I am going to hold off requesting a review from you for about a month since my art's going to take an upturn by the end of March and I don't want people judging my already-poor comic by the lower standards it's at now. ^_~

[Matt Doc Martin]

Hey, all...I need to know who, if anyone. ever DID get paid. PM me please if you know/or if you ARE that person.

[Scott Dickerson]

I assume people have actually met Mrs. Olney some time or other? And some of the kids?

I believe someone said a woman answered the phone--she signed a check--and she was listed as legal co-owner of the business (though that last may not mean a great deal for a non-corporation...just submitting paperwork).

Not insinuating anything bad about Mrs. Olney. Just wondering whether she exists. Don't laugh at my delusions--these things have happened. Suggested reading: "Without Conscience" by Robert D. Hare, PhD.

Those who have know Rick Olney over the years--has he changed? Become uncontrollably impulsive--that sort of thing? Something possibly connected to his disability or (alleged) heart attack? Whatever his clearly manifest character flaws--some of this conduct does sound medical.

(Which in no sense blocks lawsuits for nonpayment, etc.)

SD

[Matt Doc Martin]

I assume people have actually met Mrs. Olney some time or other? And some of the kids?

I believe someone said a woman answered the phone--she signed a check--and she was listed as legal co-owner of the business (though that last may not mean a great deal for a non-corporation...just submitting paperwork).

Not insinuating anything bad about Mrs. Olney. Just wondering whether she exists. Don't laugh at my delusions--these things have happened. Suggested reading: "Without Conscience" by Robert D. Hare, PhD.

Those who have know Rick Olney over the years--has he changed? Become uncontrollably impulsive--that sort of thing? Something possibly connected to his disability or (alleged) heart attack? Whatever his clearly manifest character flaws--some of this conduct does sound medical.

(Which in no sense blocks lawsuits for nonpayment, etc.)

SD

Mrs Olney exists...but how long will she stay "Mrs Olney"

His kids exist...you can't browse a page without coming across one of Starr's profiles.

[SteveForbes]

Y'know, I'm reminded of the time in late Junior High, when one of the knuckle dragging Moe-type bullies started picking on a quiet effeminate guy. What he didn't know was that Veach was 1st Dan in judo. Or however you call it in judo. He got thrown around the hallway mercilessly for about 5 minutes, and a teacher broke it up before Veach could strangle him with his own clothing.

Moe didn't show up at school for over a week after that.

I imagine that it's the same with Big Pussy. He's been thrown around the hallway, choked-out twice, and he'd be too embarrassed and humiliated to show his face in here again. Who knows, though? We might get lucky. His wife may leave him and the liquor cabinet unsupervised again.

I remember being jumped as a kid. A couple of times. I couldn't tell you what I did- I just remember getting my ass kicked by guys that were bigger than me.

After the second time (or was it third?), my parents put me into martial arts.

Now, my martial arts class was basically a neighborhood think. My sensei Richard Griffin didn't have any real place to teach, so we had makeshift dojo's: people's backyards, a couple of garage's, and on a cul-de-sac during one summer.

We would run around the neighborhood in our gi's, and everyone that knew my parents (and thus, me), would wave and say "hi" as we ran along in formation. I was one of the youngest people in the class, and as such, I was forced to run at the head of the class. (THAT sucked.)

Anyway, after the first summer of me running around the neighborhood learning martial arts, the beatings suddenly stopped. Everyone grew afraid to look at me, like I was going to attack them or something.

Eventually, I had to stop training. The group I was training with became the Security of the First World, or S1W's, the security team for Public Enemy.

And my sensei was Professor Griff.

-(nostalgiac) llama

[Sharpandpointies]

Y'know, I'm reminded of the time in late Junior High, when one of the knuckle dragging Moe-type bullies started picking on a quiet effeminate guy. What he didn't know was that Veach was 1st Dan in judo. Or however you call it in judo. He got thrown around the hallway mercilessly for about 5 minutes, and a teacher broke it up before Veach could strangle him with his own clothing.


Yep, it's '1st Dan'. Yep, Judo rocks.

Good story. :)

[Reverend Smooth]

I remember getting beat up in elementary school, guy even started choking me in a back hallway until I got in a lucky kick in the nuts.

After that, I started cycling for hours a day -- and I mean, at least three on weeknights and six to twelve on saturdays and sundays -- and lifting heavy things.

After they tried again and my newer, buffer self smote them, they backed off. It didn't stop the name-calling, but nobody laid a hand on me. I spent the rest of my school years except for the last (when I moved to a district where people didn't know me) beating up bullies, just like in that videogame, for similar reasons.

Fringe benefit was that it kept the bullies in my own house mostly away from me, physically (when I got bigger and older). Yo mamma can't start threatening to kill you with butcher knives just because you exist if she's afraid you'll rip her head off.

[Rich_Carlin]

It's good to know that Rick Olney is finally getting his just desserts.

He approached me in 2004 and asked me to appear at his convention. He was branching out and trying a Horror Movie convention, and since I run two very popular horror related websites and several celebrity forums, he asked me to exhibit my sites at his convention, "The Spooky". At first I thought it was too good to be true, and declined. He got back in touch for a second time, and I became more interested, but stated I couldn't afford the airfare to Syracuse NY, being based in Scotland UK. He said he'd pay my airfare and per diem. So after checking out his Mighty Mini Con site, I accepted...

To cut a long story as short as I can, I developed the convention website for Rick, as a thank-you for him offering to fly me out to his show. I also set up a forum on my website and heavily promoted the show online. My partner on the sites booked a slew of horror guests and the whole time Olney said the show was 110% a green light. Alot of these guests are personal friends of ours, some are not.

About 3 weeks before the show Rick Olney told me the convention was cancelled. This was after he assured me to purchase my flights and he would pay me back. This was after he said the venue was booked up. This was after he said he had the money to pay for all the guest's airfare e.t.c. He actually told me to book my flights... then turned around and said the show was cancelled.

My then girlfriend, now fiancee, and my brother, also purchased flights just to accompany me on the trip. We lost over $1200 combined. I knew I'd never see my money again even though Rick Olney promised a hundred times that he'd reimburse me. Another fan from the UK also purchased flights to the show and had to cancel obviously. Eventually Olney resorted to threatening to sue me if I ever spoke out against him and how he ripped me off and disappointed alot of people. Suffice to say that it was a huge learning curve for me. Only 21 years old and offered something like that, by somebody who at first glance, seemed like the real deal. Too good to be true. This taught me never to trust anybody unless I know I can.

All said and done, I did learn something. And now the money loss doesn't hurt as much. But it really is refreshing to see that Olney has been found out and that people are actually taking action against him. It's about time...

Although what he done hurt the reputations of my websites, and of me, we are now going stronger than ever and set to do our own horror convention in Texas this March. So it feels good that we have prevailed and persevered through bad times in Oct 2004 and now Rick, after threatening to sue me a hundred times, has been caught out.

Best of luck to you all. All the best.
-Rich

[Reverend Smooth]

I assume you don't have the receipts and whatnot with which to take him to small claims?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I only got bullied....maybe once or twice. My dad himself told me after the 1st time it happened.. " You don't have to worry about getting in trouble. Just knock that kid on his ass and you won't ever have to worry about me displining you. Even if you lose , as long as you don't back down. "

So it came down to either letting down my dad who to me was a huge guy. He's still a foot taller than me and all he had to do was raise his voice to get me in line or letting a bully win. So it came down to me just not letting some kid bully me. Which I had some fights.

One time in Junior High he got called in after me and this kid started shoving each other. He threw a punch at my eye. I saw a cut on his nose so I aimed some punches towards it and tried to honestly make him bleed. ;) ( Hey if I'm gonna fight , I'm gonna fight to win )

Well we get halled to Miss Carter's office where I get verbally ripped by her for punching poor Joe so bad. Seems Joe has a straw in his nose and had I busted his nose he would have been in major league trouble as I had no clue about it. Which I told her. ( seems poor Joe should have not tried to fight me then if he has medical issues , wouldn;t you think ?)

Anyhow she calls my dad in and she tells him what happened. My dad made it clear that as long as I didn't take no shit he was proud. She tried to say I could have hurt poor Joe and his saying always made me smile...

" Poor Joe ? Had poor Joe put my son in a hospital for not taking up for himself what happens then ? He did exactly what I always told him to do. Not let someone bully him. "

;)

[Inkpot1965]

Hey, all...I need to know who, if anyone. ever DID get paid. PM me please if you know/or if you ARE that person.

You are in for a lonely watch there.

[Gail Simone]

It's good to know that Rick Olney is finally getting his just desserts.

He approached me in 2004 and asked me to appear at his convention. He was branching out and trying a Horror Movie convention, and since I run two very popular horror related websites and several celebrity forums, he asked me to exhibit my sites at his convention, "The Spooky". At first I thought it was too good to be true, and declined. He got back in touch for a second time, and I became more interested, but stated I couldn't afford the airfare to Syracuse NY, being based in Scotland UK. He said he'd pay my airfare and per diem. So after checking out his Mighty Mini Con site, I accepted...

To cut a long story as short as I can, I developed the convention website for Rick, as a thank-you for him offering to fly me out to his show. I also set up a forum on my website and heavily promoted the show online. My partner on the sites booked a slew of horror guests and the whole time Olney said the show was 110% a green light. Alot of these guests are personal friends of ours, some are not.

About 3 weeks before the show Rick Olney told me the convention was cancelled. This was after he assured me to purchase my flights and he would pay me back. This was after he said the venue was booked up. This was after he said he had the money to pay for all the guest's airfare e.t.c. He actually told me to book my flights... then turned around and said the show was cancelled.

My then girlfriend, now fiancee, and my brother, also purchased flights just to accompany me on the trip. We lost over $1200 combined. I knew I'd never see my money again even though Rick Olney promised a hundred times that he'd reimburse me. Another fan from the UK also purchased flights to the show and had to cancel obviously. Eventually Olney resorted to threatening to sue me if I ever spoke out against him and how he ripped me off and disappointed alot of people. Suffice to say that it was a huge learning curve for me. Only 21 years old and offered something like that, by somebody who at first glance, seemed like the real deal. Too good to be true. This taught me never to trust anybody unless I know I can.

All said and done, I did learn something. And now the money loss doesn't hurt as much. But it really is refreshing to see that Olney has been found out and that people are actually taking action against him. It's about time...

Although what he done hurt the reputations of my websites, and of me, we are now going stronger than ever and set to do our own horror convention in Texas this March. So it feels good that we have prevailed and persevered through bad times in Oct 2004 and now Rick, after threatening to sue me a hundred times, has been caught out.

Best of luck to you all. All the best.
-Rich


Rich,

I am constantly amazed by this, that more and more people every week come out with a "Rick Olney lied and cheated" me story. I have taken a TON of shit for this thread, from people who essentially would think rolling over and staying quiet would somehow have the same impact as staying on point about Rick's scumbaggery. I suggest that if they could keep quiet after hearing about all the people who got screwed, there's something wrong with THEM, not the people on this thread. Me, I get angry every time I hear a story like yours.

How DARE he screw you and your friends like that? How DARE he threaten and insult you when his idiocy and incompetence caused you definite harm?

Man, I still feel guilty for bad things I did in elementary school and this idiot manages to sleep at night after having threated people he's cheated and lied to repeatedly.

Disgusting.

Anything I can ever do for you or your site, you let me know.

Rick? You're a swine. The industry LOATHES you. You will NEVER be able to pull this crap on people again, and you're going to pay for your many, many lies and scams.

Gail

[TonyIsabella]

Rich...

Please post the links to your website. With so many good folks here, I bet we can spread the word and send some other good folks your way.

Everyone else...

Anyone know how Rich might be able to file against Olney from Scotland? Are there any other cases when Olney screwed someone from across an ocean?

By the way...

I'm reading page 1100 of this thread and I think we're closing in on something like 16,500 posts.

1100 pages!

16,500 posts!

I'm stunned.

Tony

[Gail Simone]

Rich...

Please post the links to your website. With so many good folks here, I bet we can spread the word and send some other good folks your way.

Everyone else...

Anyone know how Rich might be able to file against Olney from Scotland? Are there any other cases when Olney screwed someone from across an ocean?

By the way...

I'm reading page 1100 of this thread and I think we're closing in on something like 16,500 posts.

1100 pages!

16,500 posts!

I'm stunned.

Tony


Yes, but to be fair, most of the posts are about Danny's hat.

Gail

[TomStillwell]

It's good to know that Rick Olney is finally getting his just desserts.

He approached me in 2004 and asked me to appear at his convention. He was branching out and trying a Horror Movie convention, and since I run two very popular horror related websites and several celebrity forums, he asked me to exhibit my sites at his convention, "The Spooky". At first I thought it was too good to be true, and declined. He got back in touch for a second time, and I became more interested, but stated I couldn't afford the airfare to Syracuse NY, being based in Scotland UK. He said he'd pay my airfare and per diem. So after checking out his Mighty Mini Con site, I accepted...

To cut a long story as short as I can, I developed the convention website for Rick, as a thank-you for him offering to fly me out to his show. I also set up a forum on my website and heavily promoted the show online. My partner on the sites booked a slew of horror guests and the whole time Olney said the show was 110% a green light. Alot of these guests are personal friends of ours, some are not.

About 3 weeks before the show Rick Olney told me the convention was cancelled. This was after he assured me to purchase my flights and he would pay me back. This was after he said the venue was booked up. This was after he said he had the money to pay for all the guest's airfare e.t.c. He actually told me to book my flights... then turned around and said the show was cancelled.

My then girlfriend, now fiancee, and my brother, also purchased flights just to accompany me on the trip. We lost over $1200 combined. I knew I'd never see my money again even though Rick Olney promised a hundred times that he'd reimburse me. Another fan from the UK also purchased flights to the show and had to cancel obviously. Eventually Olney resorted to threatening to sue me if I ever spoke out against him and how he ripped me off and disappointed alot of people. Suffice to say that it was a huge learning curve for me. Only 21 years old and offered something like that, by somebody who at first glance, seemed like the real deal. Too good to be true. This taught me never to trust anybody unless I know I can.

All said and done, I did learn something. And now the money loss doesn't hurt as much. But it really is refreshing to see that Olney has been found out and that people are actually taking action against him. It's about time...

Although what he done hurt the reputations of my websites, and of me, we are now going stronger than ever and set to do our own horror convention in Texas this March. So it feels good that we have prevailed and persevered through bad times in Oct 2004 and now Rick, after threatening to sue me a hundred times, has been caught out.

Best of luck to you all. All the best.
-Rich

Rich, I'm sorry to hear about the crap he put you through.

This illustrates very well two important points why no one should have anything to do with Rick Olney professionally.

1. He is a cheating liar who uses threats to hide his own misdeeds.

He will never ever treat anyone with honesty and fairness. If he can use you, he will. If he can scam you, he will. If he can get away without paying, he will.

2. He is about as piss poor a business man as you'll ever come across.

His ventures don't fail because of immoral behavior. Scumbags can still be successful. They fail because of shitty organization, poor planning, and total lack of business sense.