Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[RCheli]

Rick and I briefly (very briefly) flirted with starting a comic convention promoter network, although it never got anywhere because (if I remember correctly) he wanted to do something on a much larger scale than I. But through the years, I heard more and more bad stories about him, more and more issues that made me happy that I never really pursued anything further.

After each time I read that one of his cons was cancelled (and it seems like in the past 3 years, not one has actually gone on) or with his failing (failed?) publishing venture, I always thought the same thing: before you start the process of organizing a show (or a publishing company) be aware that there's a good chance you're going to lose money, so don't expect to have anything afterwards to pay off your debt.

When I did my (failed) con in downtown Chicago, I was well aware that I could lose every penny I spent on advertizing, pros whose way/hotel I paid, and renting the space. You have to start off thinking that you could lose all of it.

It's only when you start to sell tables and start to get money from attendees do you start getting rid of that debt -- $75 at a time, $5 at a time.

Same goes with publishing -- you have to think that you're automatically in the red, between paying your creative people, printing, advertizing, etc, with the possiblity of never recouping a penny, and you have to be willing to put your money (and name) on the line.

In the end, I lost a lot of money on the 3 cons I put on, and it stung as I paid off the debt, but I'm happy to say that I owe nobody money and every show went on regardless of how much I lost.

[TomStillwell]

I imagine the purpose of this thread is to vilify, demean, libel, and outright destroy my character, business, and personal life.

No, you've done that all on your own.

You know, at one time I had sympathy for you over the deaths in your family.

Now I feel sorry for your kin that have passed on. You shame them with every lie, every slimy deed, every venom-filled insult, and every deception you weave.

Every time you use those deaths as an excuse for your behavior, you shame their memory. Do you even care how they would view your actions?

Ruin your own life if you want. Stop dishonoring their deaths.

[Cam63]

BASICALLY, I'VE BEEN SINGING SINCE THE DAY I COULD TALK. ITS ALL IVE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT AND HAVE DONE. MUSIC IS MY LIFE, AND AINT NOBODY GONNA TAKE THAT SHIT AWAY. IM REAL, ALL OF MY LYRICS ARE TRUE, REAL SITUATIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED. I JUST DONT MAKE SHIT UP LIKE ALOTTA BUBBLE GUM POP PRINCESSES HAVE. BUNCHA FAKE BITCHES. IT TAKES A TRUE ARTIST, WITH MAD DEDICATION TO MAKE TRUE MUSIC. AND THATS WHAT IM ALL ABOUT.


"~::THA HOTTEST UP N COMIN' SONGSTRESS::~"


Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

Holy shit. I was hoping " Ric's " genes would skip every generation.

[TCJohnson]

In the end, I lost a lot of money on the 3 cons I put on, and it stung as I paid off the debt, but I'm happy to say that I owe nobody money and every show went on regardless of how much I lost.

Sorry to hear they were not the success that you were hoping for.

[sk716]

Wow, I've just slogged through 40 more pages of this. That'll teach me to ignore the internet for a weekend... yeah, right...


DocAbsurd - I'm willing to donate some server space for ICC. Send me a PM if you're interested.

Momma Absurd - Welcome to Yabs! Hang around after all of this ends, you'll fit in just fine.

"Rick" - Seriously, put down the shovel. You're already standing in a hole the size of the Grand Canyon.

TC - Just because Gail doesn't ban doesn't mean someone else won't come over here and do it.

[TomStillwell]

Rick and I briefly (very briefly) flirted with starting a comic convention promoter network, although it never got anywhere because (if I remember correctly) he wanted to do something on a much larger scale than I. But through the years, I heard more and more bad stories about him, more and more issues that made me happy that I never really pursued anything further.

After each time I read that one of his cons was cancelled (and it seems like in the past 3 years, not one has actually gone on) or with his failing (failed?) publishing venture, I always thought the same thing: before you start the process of organizing a show (or a publishing company) be aware that there's a good chance you're going to lose money, so don't expect to have anything afterwards to pay off your debt.

When I did my (failed) con in downtown Chicago, I was well aware that I could lose every penny I spent on advertizing, pros whose way/hotel I paid, and renting the space. You have to start off thinking that you could lose all of it.

It's only when you start to sell tables and start to get money from attendees do you start getting rid of that debt -- $75 at a time, $5 at a time.

Same goes with publishing -- you have to think that you're automatically in the red, between paying your creative people, printing, advertizing, etc, with the possiblity of never recouping a penny, and you have to be willing to put your money (and name) on the line.

In the end, I lost a lot of money on the 3 cons I put on, and it stung as I paid off the debt, but I'm happy to say that I owe nobody money and every show went on regardless of how much I lost.

Hey Raph!

I'd go to another one of your cons in a heartbeat. You did everything you could possibly do to make them a success. You are a true professional.

[RCheli]

Sorry to hear they were not the success that you were hoping for.

You know, you take a chance on something, and it can go good or bad. Financially, it went bad; socially, I met a lot of great people who love comics as much as I do.

But I knew that I could lose money -- a lot of it -- and it was my money to lose. When I look at Olney's ventures, I don't see that sort of fiscal responsibility. I remember reading that he said he had to cancel one con because the money didn't come through... THE WEEK OF THE CON. That's shocking that after planning something as big as a comic book convention with dozens of guests and dealers, you'd wait for the financing just days before the show. You need to plan for that stuff weeks, if not months, in advance.

[EdContradictory]

I am continually amazed at how often those commiecon trolls

Yes, because everyone who doesn't agree with you is a "commie".

What is this, the 50s?

[DocAbsurd]

Rick and I briefly (very briefly) flirted with starting a comic convention promoter network, although it never got anywhere because (if I remember correctly) he wanted to do something on a much larger scale than I. But through the years, I heard more and more bad stories about him, more and more issues that made me happy that I never really pursued anything further.

[snip-a-roonie]

In the end, I lost a lot of money on the 3 cons I put on, and it stung as I paid off the debt, but I'm happy to say that I owe nobody money and every show went on regardless of how much I lost.

Now that's integrity. You tried, and you tried hard. Ain't no-one can fault you for that. And you went out with your obligations fulfilled.

Do you happen to know Lance 'DOC' Boucher? He's familiar with just about all the creators and promoters in Chicago, and this situation seems fairly familiar.

Anyway, I'm glad you didn't get sucked in to a bad situation. You coulda lost a lot more than just a few dollars.




Doc 'Tarnished' Absurd

[Cam63]

TC - Just because Gail doesn't ban doesn't mean someone else won't come over here and do it.

Now, if he used the " C " word, that might do it.

...and no, it's not " condiment. "

[EdContradictory]

This might be my most favoritest e-drama evah.

If not for the "scummy not paying people" part.

But the "crazy Rick Olney falls apart" bit is really just gold.

[RCheli]

Do you happen to know Lance 'DOC' Boucher? He's familiar with just about all the creators and promoters in Chicago, and this situation seems fairly familiar.


DOC was at each of my shows, and he and I had many talks about what we felt Chicago needed as far as a comic show goes. He and I are equally frustrated, and I know that he puts up a lot of his own money to help creators put out comics.

[Matt Doc Martin]

This might be my most favoritest e-drama evah.

If not for the "scummy not paying people" part.

But the "crazy Rick Olney falls apart" bit is really just gold.

You should be careful if you don't know a lawyer.

[EdContradictory]

You should be careful if you don't know a lawyer.

I actually know, like, four.

So, I'm good.

Since Rick doesn't actually know any.

[EdContradictory]

Oooooooooo, I'm shaking in my boots. Gonna threaten me again?

It's worse than that... he's... he's gonna blog about you... on MySpace!!!!!!

[OzBat!]

TC - Just because Gail doesn't ban doesn't mean someone else won't come over here and do it.Nah, he'd have to be creating havoc on multiple boards, so far he's confined himself to just here. And he's Promised to avoid this thread from now on!

Just to be clear, only the supermods have the power to ban someone. The rest of us take problem cases to the mod board and we discuss previous history, anything else that might be relevant, and reach a group concensus.

I can't recall gail ever asking for someone to be banned from this board. There's been a couple that have created problems both here and on other boards that she's not been sorry to see the back of, but the ban request came from other mods.

Gail runs a pretty free-wheeling board, and we're all the better for it. I'll occasionally reinforce the notion that CBR does have minimum standards and I have asked folks to turn it down via PM every now and then. With this crowd though that's the most I need to do, which makes a moderators' life very easy, muchas gracias!

[Gail Simone]

I am continually amazed at how often those commiecon trolls like this big headed bloated oaf is drawn to the smell of shite.

I love this: "I, among many others, crossed swords with the idiot many times for quite a while over there, and he was an endless source of amusement and ridicule. Unfortunately, what he's up to now ain't so funny anymore."

You're a troll. Don't act like it was me that you were talking to back then. Because it wasn't. You trolls on the commie boards were put in your place legally. 'Course, maybe nobody told you. And -- What kind of "idiot" does it take to keep conversing, assumingly in civil discourse, over on commiecon with another thought to be "idiot"...


Anyone else find it funny and vaguely disturbing that as he gets more and more desperate and delusional, his already hideous grammar and spelling actually get WORSE?

I dare any human with half-decent English skills to try to parse the above without falling into madness. It's like the Necronomicon for deabeat liars.

Gail

[DocAbsurd]

DOC was at each of my shows, and he and I had many talks about what we felt Chicago needed as far as a comic show goes. He and I are equally frustrated, and I know that he puts up a lot of his own money to help creators put out comics.

Yup. Thought you sounded familiar.

I got DOC on tap for the ICC, and we've got a few projects lined up both in and out of the group. Never met a harder working cartoonist in small press.




Doc '8 Degrees' Absurd

[Crowley]

I don't understand him at all...
the most puzzling part though?

the quoting Wertham as though
Wertham is a reliable and sane source.

[Gail Simone]

I actually heard that Scott has a HUGE fambly. He's shown you pictures of his fambly, hasn't he, "Gail"? :D Yeah, sorry. Everyone makes spelling errors. When "professional" writers make them it has to be funny.

I've met Scott's family. They're some of the kindest and most wonderful people this industry will ever know. People adore them. If you weren't such a deadbeat hack liar, you might know what that's like.

And you just crossed yet ANOTHER asshole boundry.

Gail

[Crowley]

he really shouldn't brag about family...

[sk716]

he really shouldn't brag about family...

Don't stoop to his level, Crowley.

[Gail Simone]

Yeah, it is always the fault of someone else, right Tim?

Well, I hate to end it this way for now -- but I can't post here anymore
in this thread. 'Course, this doesn't maen that you all can't keep going oabout whatever. I imagine the purpose of this thread is to vilify, demean, libel, and outright destroy my character, business, and personal life. Fortunately, I have that all under control, or so I was told. You all take care! See you in court!

Sure, see you in The People Vs. An Admitted Deadbeat Liar 2007Fest, which you'll probably cancel because you didn't give yourself an NDA!


Lying deadbeat.

Gail

[Dedagda]

You know, you take a chance on something, and it can go good or bad. Financially, it went bad; socially, I met a lot of great people who love comics as much as I do.

But I knew that I could lose money -- a lot of it -- and it was my money to lose. When I look at Olney's ventures, I don't see that sort of fiscal responsibility. I remember reading that he said he had to cancel one con because the money didn't come through... THE WEEK OF THE CON. That's shocking that after planning something as big as a comic book convention with dozens of guests and dealers, you'd wait for the financing just days before the show. You need to plan for that stuff weeks, if not months, in advance.

Dude I understand you on this one. I've messed in this event thing - TWICE. You fly the guests in on your dime upfront. You can hope for the sales to offset it. At the end of the day everyone else gets paid first.

If you don't got it, don't send the invite. Don't hire that employee in hopes their work will produce the sales to pay them.

[Cam63]

When he was in boot camp ( if that's not a lie also ), maybe he suffered permanent emotional damage from the abuse drill instructors dish out.

[TCJohnson]

Momma Absurd - Welcome to Yabs! Hang around after all of this ends, you'll fit in just fine.

Yeah, Momma Absurd rocks. We can all play with Skeletor Plushie Dolls and legos together. Wheeeeeeeeeee!

[Matt Doc Martin]

When he was in boot camp ( if that's not a lie also ), maybe he suffered permanent emotional damage from the abuse drill instructors dish out.

My drill sgts. would have kicked his ass up around his ears.

[Gail Simone]

Seriously, let's not go there. The poor girl can't help who her father is. Let's be above that. Attacking the family is something "Rick" would do.

Agreed. Please, no comments about Rick's family. Let's not stoop to his level.

Gail

[Crowley]

Don't stoop to his level, Crowley.

i'm won't... just saying that the evidence is out there.

[Gail Simone]

Rick and I briefly (very briefly) flirted with starting a comic convention promoter network, although it never got anywhere because (if I remember correctly) he wanted to do something on a much larger scale than I. But through the years, I heard more and more bad stories about him, more and more issues that made me happy that I never really pursued anything further.

After each time I read that one of his cons was cancelled (and it seems like in the past 3 years, not one has actually gone on) or with his failing (failed?) publishing venture, I always thought the same thing: before you start the process of organizing a show (or a publishing company) be aware that there's a good chance you're going to lose money, so don't expect to have anything afterwards to pay off your debt.

When I did my (failed) con in downtown Chicago, I was well aware that I could lose every penny I spent on advertizing, pros whose way/hotel I paid, and renting the space. You have to start off thinking that you could lose all of it.

It's only when you start to sell tables and start to get money from attendees do you start getting rid of that debt -- $75 at a time, $5 at a time.

Same goes with publishing -- you have to think that you're automatically in the red, between paying your creative people, printing, advertizing, etc, with the possiblity of never recouping a penny, and you have to be willing to put your money (and name) on the line.

In the end, I lost a lot of money on the 3 cons I put on, and it stung as I paid off the debt, but I'm happy to say that I owe nobody money and every show went on regardless of how much I lost.


I'm sorry you lost money, but believe me, the community takes note when people show stand-up behavior as you have.

Thanks for posting your perspective here.

Gail

[Cam63]

My drill sgts. would have kicked his ass up around his ears.

When were you in the service, Matt ?

[Gail Simone]

I don't understand him at all...
the most puzzling part though?

the quoting Wertham as though
Wertham is a reliable and sane source.

This is the same guy who has no problem being compared with Crossgen's business practices. It's like being a humanitarian who worships Lex Luthor.

Gail

[Momma Absurd]

My drill sgts. would have kicked his ass up around his ears.

My gay dog could kick his ass up around his ears......

Just a nice thing from me okies.......

If you all wanna be dignified with your comments to the &*&^^%^& go ahead, I CAN keep on slamming him just as I have been everytime he opens his trash talker........ cus he can't hit me with his NDA'S or his IQ!!! Kiss that one loser!!!! :rolleyes:

[Matt Doc Martin]

When were you in the service, Matt ?

Finished BASIC in 1994, and was honorably discharged (which means I am a true patriot, and NOT a communist) in 2002.

Though I was thinking of becoming a communist, as it is a much more exclusive club now.

[DocAbsurd]

I gotta give you credit, Gail. You've managed to show incredible restraint in all this.

I absolutely lost it when his rambling went personal. Yeah, I know, that's exactly what the little bottom-feeder wanted. But he knows damn full well I'm protective of Daphne and my Things. They'll never know what he said, but that doesn't lessen the impact.

This little post-nuclear family went thru a lotta hell during the past 2 years, and I trusted that bastard enough to confide in him. To see him make light of it and how it's changed me just set me off.

And for once, I ain't apologizing.

Cuz for once, I ain't sorry.




Doc 'Triple Dog Dare' Absurd

[Cam63]

It's hard when wankers insult those near and dear, so I got no problem with it, Matt.

[DangerDiabolik]

So Ric seemed to have snapped....wow lol .

I have to agree that publishing the work as a benefit book, as cool as it would be ...woudl be just keeping the presence of Ric's vile behavior alive.

Heres some ideas I had kicking around.

It might be fun to do an original comic about our collective misery/the insanity of Ric. Maybe print it and sell it at conventions, online etc...could be fun ?

I think the idea of a collective lawsuit would be great, everyoen that was screwed over by this guy band together, present our collective evidence and really teach this guy a lesson.

Also maybe we can throw a ralley/party of sorts at a bar during the NYCC ...we can all meet up drink and have a laugh together.

....Im really glad this thread exists, its beyond informative and interesting, and even entertaining.

[Cam63]

Finished BASIC in 1994, and was honorably discharged (which means I am a true patriot, and NOT a communist) in 2002.

Though I was thinking of becoming a communist, as it is a much more exclusive club now.

Compared to modern day terrorism, I kinda miss the Cold War.

[Momma Absurd]

Who wants to come to my house after school and play with my Lego set and watch cartoons......and I am not inviting you Rick nananaabooboo cause you smell funny and you are always whining about NDA's when it comes to sharing the toys !!!


WAIT!!!! Maybe thats where Pixar got STINKY PETE from......hmmmmm, yes Rick you are a STAR!!


Momma "crayon signatures dont hold up in court" Absurd

[SUPERECWFAN1]

So Ric seemed to have snapped....wow lol .

I have to agree that publishing the work as a benefit book, as cool as it would be ...woudl be just keeping the presence of Ric's vile behavior alive.

Heres some ideas I had kicking around.

It might be fun to do an original comic about our collective misery/the insanity of Ric. Maybe print it and sell it at conventions, online etc...could be fun ?

I'd think this would be keeping Ric's presence more than doing a benefit book with the ideas many of the creators had spun in a new way as Kurt Busiek posted. This idea seems to be more " Lets get back at him personally " I feel.

I think the idea of a collective lawsuit would be great, everyoen that was screwed over by this guy band together, present our collective evidence and really teach this guy a lesson.

Also maybe we can throw a ralley/party of sorts at a bar during the NYCC ...we can all meet up drink and have a laugh together.

....Im really glad this thread exists, its beyond informative and interesting, and even entertaining.

I'm happy this thread is around as well. Its a good warning to people out there in the Industry or starting .

[DocAbsurd]

Ideally, Diabolik, I would like the benefit book to be all new material, an anthology with a theme of being screwed. No mention of Troll-ney, TLE, ORCA (unless someone did a Moby Dick parody).

The best result would be a comic that not only helps the creators, but also stands on its own merits. Providing a cathartic release is just a perk.




Doc 'Thar He Blows' Absurd

[Momma Absurd]

I gotta give you credit, Gail. You've managed to show incredible restraint in all this.

I absolutely lost it when his rambling went personal. Yeah, I know, that's exactly what the little bottom-feeder wanted. But he knows damn full well I'm protective of Daphne and my Things. They'll never know what he said, but that doesn't lessen the impact.

This little post-nuclear family went thru a lotta hell during the past 2 years, and I trusted that bastard enough to confide in him. To see him make light of it and how it's changed me just set me off.

And for once, I ain't apologizing.

Cuz for once, I ain't sorry.




Doc 'Triple Dog Dare' Absurd


I agree Gail has proven time and again here what a wonderful lady she is, *sigh* If I ever behaved as dignified as she has proven herself to be, my entire family would be shocked and amazed and thats the ones it wouldn't shock to death! You rock Gail, you keep on standing up for yourself and for what's right!!!

[Trevor Frick]

I am glad this came out. I had my concerns with Rick but during the whole SPA thing a few years back.

Hopefully all people in and/or trying to breakin to comics learn about this and stay clear of him.

Thank you everyone for bring the true intentions of this deadbeat lair.

[Momma Absurd]

*Sitting in the same room as ORCA I feel an incredible urge take over my person, so I raise my right leg and send a S.B.D to the S.O.B. via N.D.A. which hopefully will make him D.O.A. so he can R.I.P. A.S.A.P.

[DocAbsurd]

I am glad this came out. I had my concerns with Rick but during the whole SPA thing a few years back.

Hopefully all people in and/or trying to breakin to comics learn about this and stay clear of him.

Thank you everyone for bring the true intentions of this deadbeat lair.

Holy fecal matter! Trevor! I ain't seen you in ages! This deadbeat is serving more of a purpose that we ever dreamed possible.

Damn, gotta be careful or he'll start up a line of greeting cards for long-lost associates and take credit for being Hallmark before there was Hallmark.




Doc 'Cartoonists' Day' Absurd

[TCJohnson]

Gail?

Gail Simone?

Gail Simone....dignified? Really?

Obviously you have never played video games with the woman.

Dignified Gail Simone?

[Jamie Coville]

Another way to get *some* money is through a collection agency. The small amounts they likely won't take, but if enough of you compile your invoices into one large amount owing, the agency will pay you a percentage of the full amount (which would then have to be divided up) then they'll go after Rick for the full amount.

How about one does that I'm not sure but it's another avenue to explore if some of you are interested.

[sk716]

Gail?

Gail Simone?

Gail Simone....dignified? Really?

Obviously you have never played video games with the woman.

Dignified Gail Simone?

True dat, yo.

[Gail Simone]

Gail?

Gail Simone?

Gail Simone....dignified? Really?

Obviously you have never played video games with the woman.

Dignified Gail Simone?

You only say that because I constantly cause everyone to die!


Gail

[Cam63]

Gail?

Gail Simone?

Gail Simone....dignified? Really?

Obviously you have never played video games with the woman.

Dignified Gail Simone?

Does she elbow opponents when they start to win ?

[Crowley]

You only say that because I constantly cause everyone to die!


Gail
Who are ON YOUR TEAM!!!!!

[DocAbsurd]

Dignified Gail Simone?

Shouldn't that be 'Dignified' 'Gail Simone'?

Those quotations are very important. Gotta remember we're dealing with a pseudonym here.




Doc ' '' ' Absurd

[DocAbsurd]

Dignified Gail Simone?

Wait, wait. Better yet:

Dignified? She's with us now, pal. Dignity ain't got nothing to do with it.




Doc 'Belonging to a Group That Has Him as a Member' Absurd

[Gail Simone]

Who are ON YOUR TEAM!!!!!


And your point is?

Gail

[Cam63]

It'll never catch on, " mate. "

" Cam " " 63. "

[Crowley]

And your point is?

Gail

wait a second... wait a second...

"Gail Simone"

Real name... MAGIS OLNIE?

[Cam63]

And your point is?

Gail

A good general leads from the rear ?

[WhiteRose]

And your point is?

Gail

Usually you're meant to keep them ALIVE.

But having them cyber-pissed at you can be vastly more entertaining.

I'm WhiteRose, and I approve of this message.

[Cam63]

wait a second... wait a second...

"Gail Simone"

Real name... MAGIS OLNIE?

Despicably clever !

[sk716]

Does she elbow opponents when they start to win ?

No, much worse.

You see this pile of corpses?

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i194/sk716/coh-cov/deceased.jpg

Do you know who's responsible for this mass murder? Do you?!?!

I'll give you a hint, it's the 'toon in the purple pants! I'll give you a hint who played the 'toon in the purple pants: The character is named "Scandal Savage."

[TCJohnson]

And your point is?

Gail

....You put me in experience debt....deadbeat....

You owe me a quarter!

[Cam63]

No, much worse.

You see this pile of corpses?

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i194/sk716/coh-cov/deceased.jpg

Do you know who's responsible for this mass murder? Do you?!?!

I'll give you a hint, it's the 'toon in the purple pants! I'll give you a hint who played the 'toon in the purple pants: The character is named "Scandal Savage."

Nice bum shot of the sheila in green.

[TCJohnson]

Wait, wait. Better yet:

Dignified? She's with us now, pal. Dignity ain't got nothing to do with it.

Doc 'Belonging to a Group That Has Him as a Member' Absurd

Gail doesn't really belong here....we just tolerate.

Oh, wait, they tolerate me. I get confused.

[Trevor Frick]

hey DocA,

definetly a long time. Too bad things between you and someone ending so badly but atleast you got out of it on your own terms, I guess.

What are you up to anyways.

[Cam63]

I don't tolerate you.

'Must be the other thing.

[DocAbsurd]

I just noticed, we got mentioned as LitG (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13)'s 2006 Not Paying Award.

The next sound you hear will be that of an ego over-inflating.




Doc 'Welcome to Infamy' Absurd

[DocAbsurd]

hey DocA,

definetly a long time. Too bad things between you and someone ending so badly but atleast you got out of it on your own terms, I guess.

What are you up to anyways.

I got out, Trev; there are no terms unfortunately. When the situation stoops as low as it has, no-one comes out a winner.

Email me sometime. There's been too much going on in the Household of the Absurd to explain in 500 words or less.

Biggest change:

I'm a single father (for now) with sole custody of both Things.

If that's any indication of the insanity around here . . .




Doc 'Catching Up' Absurd

[TomStillwell]

Another way to get *some* money is through a collection agency. The small amounts they likely won't take, but if enough of you compile your invoices into one large amount owing, the agency will pay you a percentage of the full amount (which would then have to be divided up) then they'll go after Rick for the full amount.

How about one does that I'm not sure but it's another avenue to explore if some of you are interested.

I'm sure that Olney is already skilled at dodging creditors. One more wouldn't bother him.

[MacQuarrie]

He didn't say it cost $300. He said "less than $300." So before anyone jumps to the conclusion that pursuing their legal options will cost more than the debt, they should at least check into it and find out.

kdb

In LA, it's closer to #20.

[TomStillwell]

No, much worse.

You see this pile of corpses?

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i194/sk716/coh-cov/deceased.jpg

Do you know who's responsible for this mass murder? Do you?!?!

I'll give you a hint, it's the 'toon in the purple pants! I'll give you a hint who played the 'toon in the purple pants: The character is named "Scandal Savage."

ERRP!! Gail broke the EULA!!!

Golddiggers? You let Golddiggers beat you?!

[THEDOC]

No problem. Just make positive use of all this negative energy before it eats you alive. ;)

"Rick" I don't need your approval but thanks. maybe if you gave people some positive cash you owe them maybe they would not be so negative.

[THEDOC]

No, sorry to dishearten you further, Lance Boucher. I have no issues with bi-polar disease.

That's what most say when they have it "Rick". Gee my full name I am honored.

[MacQuarrie]

Rick, pay attention:

I can honestly say it's been a long time since I envied anyone involved in making or producing comic books. Maybe it's just my personality, but to have to go back and forth over money (in private, let alone in public) with someone that is obviously nutty would be like a living hell for me. I'll argue over all kinds of stuff, obviously, but getting paid for work I've done? God, that's depressing.

Omar here has on more than one occasion gone out of his way to support the unpopular view in various disputes. The guy sides with the underdog almost automatically, and can pretty much be counted on to enter any dogpile he sees and stick up for the besieged party. It's what he does.

If you can't get Omar on your side in this thread, you are beyond any possibility of being right.

[Hybrid2]

Seriously, let's not go there. The poor girl can't help who her father is. Let's be above that. Attacking the family is something "Rick" would do.

compleately agree.

dont start making fun and/or insulting is family.

stick to the facts.

[TomStillwell]

Rick, pay attention:



Omar here has on more than one occasion gone out of his way to support the unpopular view in various disputes. The guy sides with the underdog almost automatically, and can pretty much be counted on to enter any dogpile he sees and stick up for the besieged party. It's what he does.

If you can't get Omar on your side in this thread, you are beyond any possibility of being right.

Quoted for truth.

[Magneto_X]

Stretching the truth by what you told me, Twit. First 2004, in conjunction with the canceled Spooky show then. Followed by publication in 2005, in conjunction with yet another canceled Spooky show. 2006 was only the latest in retro-active release dates you've conjured up. Anyone here who worked on the first TotS?

Cancel, cancel, cancel.


Doc 'Up to Here' Absurd

Did Dick ever have one single con that wasn't cancelled?

[Magneto_X]

And as far as bemoaning any illness goes ( I have seen plenty about your non-existant heart btw) you asshole when you see my and Tim's face in court I will personally stand up and request that the judge order a mental evaluation performed for you at no cost to you...seeing as how that bill probably won't be paid anyway...


I'd like to see the results of such an examination myself.

[Magneto_X]

When Mum takes off the gloves, she takes off the gloves.

Go get 'im, Mumma.

Gotta agree there.

I'd hate to be Dick right now.

[Magneto_X]

Small potatoes, I assure you. Wow! Things must REALLY be slow in comics if Busiek is slummin' and trollin'.

:rolleyes:

Says the guy who has *what* published by the Big Two?!?

While Mr.Busiek has: JLA/Avengers, Marvels, the Avengers, Action Comics, Astro City, ShockRockets and I'm sure I'm forgetting tonnes more work that he's done.

[Magneto_X]

Oh, and for the record -- I have never been banned here on CBR.

Only because Gail prefers not to ban posters. If this thread had been on any other forum here you would have been banned *days ago*.

It is only due to Gail's professional and unbelievable generous nature that you have been able to even post here.

But even someone as nice as her has limits, "Dick".

[Magneto_X]

He admits it!

The problem with lying a lot is that someone you can believe them. "Dick" being a prime example of such.

[Magneto_X]

Man...Rick Olney doesn't know what the meaning of the word "hypocrite" is in the same way that fish don't understand the meaning of the word water.

Probaly can't spell it, either.

[Magneto_X]

No, you've done that all on your own.

You know, at one time I had sympathy for you over the deaths in your family.

Now I feel sorry for your kin that have passed on. You shame them with every lie, every slimy deed, every venom-filled insult, and every deception you weave.

Every time you use those deaths as an excuse for your behavior, you shame their memory. Do you even care how they would view your actions?

Ruin your own life if you want. Stop dishonoring their deaths.

Personally I don't think anyone in Dick's family died. Or at least not those times.

Everything he says (exspecially when he's looking for a quick excuse) seems to be a lie.

(I'll add allegedly. I can't prove my theory on this, of course. But this thread *alone* is reason enough to check the sky's colour if he says it's blue.)

[THEDOC]

Rick and I briefly (very briefly) flirted with starting a comic convention promoter network, although it never got anywhere because (if I remember correctly) he wanted to do something on a much larger scale than I. But through the years, I heard more and more bad stories about him, more and more issues that made me happy that I never really pursued anything further.

After each time I read that one of his cons was cancelled (and it seems like in the past 3 years, not one has actually gone on) or with his failing (failed?) publishing venture, I always thought the same thing: before you start the process of organizing a show (or a publishing company) be aware that there's a good chance you're going to lose money, so don't expect to have anything afterwards to pay off your debt.

When I did my (failed) con in downtown Chicago, I was well aware that I could lose every penny I spent on advertizing, pros whose way/hotel I paid, and renting the space. You have to start off thinking that you could lose all of it.

It's only when you start to sell tables and start to get money from attendees do you start getting rid of that debt -- $75 at a time, $5 at a time.

Same goes with publishing -- you have to think that you're automatically in the red, between paying your creative people, printing, advertizing, etc, with the possiblity of never recouping a penny, and you have to be willing to put your money (and name) on the line.

In the end, I lost a lot of money on the 3 cons I put on, and it stung as I paid off the debt, but I'm happy to say that I owe nobody money and every show went on regardless of how much I lost.

I know R and he is a good guy who tried to stop the stranglehold WW had on Chicago and I applaude his efforts and hope he doesn't go away from the comic scene. R, could use you at The Jam.
He put some awesome cons together and had a great time.

[THEDOC]

DOC was at each of my shows, and he and I had many talks about what we felt Chicago needed as far as a comic show goes. He and I are equally frustrated, and I know that he puts up a lot of his own money to help creators put out comics.
Thanks for the compliments you two, I just do what I do cause I live the hobby so much.
People like "Rick" just put a whole damper on the thing but as I said he at least did one positive thing and brough old and new friends together.

[THEDOC]

I actually heard that Scott has a HUGE fambly. He's shown you pictures of his fambly, hasn't he, "Gail"? :D Yeah, sorry. Everyone makes spelling errors. When "professional" writers make them it has to be funny.
As Samuel L would say ..you are one sick M**** F****!
I have met Scott and have always admired his work how you can be like that just shows you have no whatever morals you had are long gone. Such a shame.
I was wrong, you aren't bi-polar you're just nutz.:(

[Mark Waid]

Shades of Mark Alessi.

I remember Gail's phone calls from the road the weekend she attended Rick's show and, when recounting her tribulations here, she's being kind to the man. The crap he put her through was absolutely absurd and unconscionable, and I remember at th etime really starting to worry that the next time I saw Gail, it would be on the side of a milk carton.

Attention, all creators who have been stiffed by Olney:
if you want to file a claim against the man but can't afford the expense, I will cover you out of my own pocket. No joke. I don't care if Olney owes you ninety bucks or nine thousand, if you're willing to put together your case but reclamation costs, filing fees and professional legal consultation are standing between you and your day in court, I will personally foot those bills. Contact me and we'll work out the details. If you're one of the three people on the internet who don't know my e-mail address, contact Gail and she'll forward your correspondence.

Go get him.

[THEDOC]

hey DocA,

definetly a long time. Too bad things between you and someone ending so badly but atleast you got out of it on your own terms, I guess.

What are you up to anyways.
Never give up hope Trevor. Great to see you again!

[THEDOC]

Shades of Mark Alessi.

I remember Gail's phone calls from the road the weekend she attended Rick's show and, when recounting her tribulations here, she's being kind to the man. The crap he put her through was absolutely absurd and unconscionable, and I remember at th etime really starting to worry that the next time I saw Gail, it would be on the side of a milk carton.

Attention, all creators who have been stiffed by Olney:
if you want to file a claim against the man but can't afford the expense, I will cover you out of my own pocket. No joke. I don't care if Olney owes you ninety bucks or nine thousand, if you're willing to put together your case but reclamation costs, filing fees and professional legal consultation are standing between you and your day in court, I will personally foot those bills. Contact me and we'll work out the details. If you're one of the three people on the internet who don't know my e-mail address, contact Gail and she'll forward your correspondence.

Go get him.

WOW, wish emotional stress was included. MW rocks!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Shades of Mark Alessi.

I remember Gail's phone calls from the road the weekend she attended Rick's show and, when recounting her tribulations here, she's being kind to the man. The crap he put her through was absolutely absurd and unconscionable, and I remember at th etime really starting to worry that the next time I saw Gail, it would be on the side of a milk carton.

Attention, all creators who have been stiffed by Olney:
if you want to file a claim against the man but can't afford the expense, I will cover you out of my own pocket. No joke. I don't care if Olney owes you ninety bucks or nine thousand, if you're willing to put together your case but reclamation costs, filing fees and professional legal consultation are standing between you and your day in court, I will personally foot those bills. Contact me and we'll work out the details. If you're one of the three people on the internet who don't know my e-mail address, contact Gail and she'll forward your correspondence.

Go get him.


Wow a pro and one who is awesome. I remember seeing you at Heroes Con in 1999 Mr.Waid. I always loved your Flash run and the JLA arc you did with " Tower of Babel ".

Plus your kickin lots of booty on Legion of Superheroes. Love the appearance of the New Wanderers. I plan to add " Brave & the Bold " to my pull list .

Now I shall stop my regular scheduled sucking up and go back to following this thread. :)

[Matt Algren]

I actually heard that Scott has a HUGE fambly. He's shown you pictures of his fambly, hasn't he, "Gail"? :D Yeah, sorry. Everyone makes spelling errors. When "professional" writers make them it has to be funny.
It took several people taking "Rick "Olney" to task for me to figure out that I was missing a double entendre.

Hey, "Rick". Go back a few miles, past Old Man Peterson's barn, then down the hill. Take the left fork in the road, and then go a couple miles more. See that line? Don't cross it anymore.

[Ian Boothby]

Shades of Mark Alessi.

I remember Gail's phone calls from the road the weekend she attended Rick's show and, when recounting her tribulations here, she's being kind to the man. The crap he put her through was absolutely absurd and unconscionable, and I remember at th etime really starting to worry that the next time I saw Gail, it would be on the side of a milk carton.

Attention, all creators who have been stiffed by Olney:
if you want to file a claim against the man but can't afford the expense, I will cover you out of my own pocket. No joke. I don't care if Olney owes you ninety bucks or nine thousand, if you're willing to put together your case but reclamation costs, filing fees and professional legal consultation are standing between you and your day in court, I will personally foot those bills. Contact me and we'll work out the details. If you're one of the three people on the internet who don't know my e-mail address, contact Gail and she'll forward your correspondence.

Go get him.


Well done, Mark. I'm going to buy a hat just so I can tip it to you.

[MacQuarrie]

Shades of Mark Alessi.

I remember Gail's phone calls from the road the weekend she attended Rick's show and, when recounting her tribulations here, she's being kind to the man. The crap he put her through was absolutely absurd and unconscionable, and I remember at th etime really starting to worry that the next time I saw Gail, it would be on the side of a milk carton.

Attention, all creators who have been stiffed by Olney:
if you want to file a claim against the man but can't afford the expense, I will cover you out of my own pocket. No joke. I don't care if Olney owes you ninety bucks or nine thousand, if you're willing to put together your case but reclamation costs, filing fees and professional legal consultation are standing between you and your day in court, I will personally foot those bills. Contact me and we'll work out the details. If you're one of the three people on the internet who don't know my e-mail address, contact Gail and she'll forward your correspondence.

Go get him.
Mark Waid is a mensch.

[Crowley]

Shades of Mark Alessi.

I remember Gail's phone calls from the road the weekend she attended Rick's show and, when recounting her tribulations here, she's being kind to the man. The crap he put her through was absolutely absurd and unconscionable, and I remember at th etime really starting to worry that the next time I saw Gail, it would be on the side of a milk carton.

Attention, all creators who have been stiffed by Olney:
if you want to file a claim against the man but can't afford the expense, I will cover you out of my own pocket. No joke. I don't care if Olney owes you ninety bucks or nine thousand, if you're willing to put together your case but reclamation costs, filing fees and professional legal consultation are standing between you and your day in court, I will personally foot those bills. Contact me and we'll work out the details. If you're one of the three people on the internet who don't know my e-mail address, contact Gail and she'll forward your correspondence.

Go get him.
wow...

well done sir.

I am a fan anew.

[TCJohnson]

Attention, all creators who have been stiffed by Olney:
if you want to file a claim against the man but can't afford the expense, I will cover you out of my own pocket. No joke. I don't care if Olney owes you ninety bucks or nine thousand, if you're willing to put together your case but reclamation costs, filing fees and professional legal consultation are standing between you and your day in court, I will personally foot those bills. Contact me and we'll work out the details. If you're one of the three people on the internet who don't know my e-mail address, contact Gail and she'll forward your correspondence.

Go get him.

All weekend I have been wishing I had the money to do this. Very cool of you Mr. Waid. More than makes up for Booster Gold (Kidding! Kidding!)

Seriously, very cool of you!

[MacQuarrie]

I actually heard that Scott has a HUGE fambly. He's shown you pictures of his fambly, hasn't he, "Gail"? :D Yeah, sorry. Everyone makes spelling errors. When "professional" writers make them it has to be funny.
Scott's son is my son's best friend. Scott's wife is one of the kindest, most thoughtful, generous and good-hearted people it has ever been my pleasure to know. Scott has been a good friend and professional inspiration to me. When you take cheap shots at them, you are taking shots at people I consider to be closer to me than my own siblings.

You are not even in the same species with the Shaws.

It is my fervent hope that somebody gives you the swift kick to the groin that you so desperately deserve, you turd juggler.

EDIT: It looks like Mr Waid has just raised his foot and taken aim. I hope it hurts.

[Ian Boothby]

From Pia (on Ian's computer)

Be my guest, the more culpable, the merrier the civil action! :rolleyes:

So I'm taking a wild guess here that I'm now being threatened by this asshole?

Dick, bring it.

Bring it the fuck on.

I've collected the names of quite a few lawyers over the last few years dealing with contracts and entertainment law and I have no problem siccing them on your ass.

And good on ya Waid, you kick.

[DocAbsurd]

Mr Waid, you are a scholar and gentleman. I am in awe of your generosity. This goes so far above any sense of right and wrong; you are truly a Samaratin.

'Dick', you should be ashamed of yourself. You've got people willing to cover your debts, willing to help others take the proper legal channels to recover what you owe them. And where exactly do you stand?

You've admitted to owing many many creators (Daphne calculated the total expressed since this thread started to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $17,000, not including my own). You have yet to show the slightest bit of remorse for such flagrant withholdings. What you're doing amounts to fraud on a Federal level of law.

And all you've done here is occasionally stir the sediment, call respected creators 'liars', and sling your half-baked insults like so much excrement in the monkey-house.

I truly hope someone does take Mr Waid up on his offer. I'd enjoy immensely watching you and your imaginary playmate squirm under a judge's verdict.

Bravo, Mr Waid.




Doc 'Speechless' Absurd

[TCJohnson]

Mark Waid is an ornery cuss...and I mean that in the best, most respectful way possible.

[MacQuarrie]

Mark, can you post a complete list of everything you're currently writing? I want to make sure I add any that I'm missing to my pull list.

[sk716]

Holy Crap!

There is a man who knows how to make an entrance and a statement!

Mark Waid is my new hero.

[Val]

Holy crap, Mark, you are the man. Plain and simple.

[Scott Shaw!]

Originally Posted by orcafresh
"I actually heard that Scott has a HUGE fambly. He's shown you pictures of his fambly, hasn't he, "Gail"? Yeah, sorry. Everyone makes spelling errors. When "professional" writers make them it has to be funny."

Y'know, for once, Leech Lad is right. Including pets, there are eight of us here at Chateau Shaw! That IS "a huge fambly".

A tip of the Hatlo hat to Mark Waid, who makes the professional community proud. Please, folks, take advantage of his generous offer. We've all been burned, but you've been given a rare opportunity to even the score with this professional moron.

Aloha,

Scott!

P.S.: Thanks for the kind words about my "fambly" and myself, Gail and Doc and Jim. I almost feel like Tom Sawyer eavesdropping on his own funeral. -- SS!

[Gail Simone]

Originally Posted by orcafresh
"I actually heard that Scott has a HUGE fambly. He's shown you pictures of his fambly, hasn't he, "Gail"? Yeah, sorry. Everyone makes spelling errors. When "professional" writers make them it has to be funny."

Y'know, for once, Leech Lad is right. Including pets, there are eight of us here at Chateau Shaw! That IS "a huge fambly".

A tip of the Hatlo hat to Mark Waid, who makes the professional community proud. Please, folks, take advantage of his generous offer. We've all been burned, but you've been given a rare opportunity to even the score with this professional moron.

Aloha,

Scott!

P.S.: Thanks for the kind words about my "fambly" and myself, Gail and Doc and Jim. I almost feel like Tom Sawyer eavesdropping on his own funeral. -- SS!


That creep isn't fit to mention your name, Scott. That's the truth of it.

Let alone two other favorite people of mine who happen to be in your fambly.

Gail

[MichaelNetzer]

Sure. Their best option is probably small-claims court.

Or just cut their losses and save the grief... which is what most seem to be opting for.

The point of the idea isn't to set all things right at a stroke, but to assert control and ownership of work owned by the creators, get it into print and make some money. It's to simply go around him, rather than waste effort trying to get him to repair a breach he's obviously not going to.

Not everyone is in a position to do that -- but a lot of people apparently are.


Which is why I agree it's a worthy idea. Natural and brilliant, actually. Certainly fitting for the creators involved. They'd need someone amongst them to take the ball though... or a potential publisher to prod a little.

[Larry Dixon]

And chiming in from Mercedes Lackey: "Mark you ARE a superhero!"

[kingdom2000]

Well, I hate to end it this way for now -- but I can't post here anymore in this thread. 'Course, this doesn't maen that you all can't keep going oabout whatever. I imagine the purpose of this thread is to vilify, demean, libel, and outright destroy my character, business, and personal life. Fortunately, I have that all under control, or so I was told. You all take care! See you in court!

Sheesh, miss a day on this thread, miss about 20 pages of comments.

Based on above I see Rick and his imaginary "lawyer" haven't yet got around to verifying the definition of libel, slander and defamation and how it applies in a court of law. The pesky first admendment and the definition of "opinion" makes it oh so difficult and that doesn't even include the many precendents that tend to interfere with proving any of the above. Even without his vomiting of words on various forums across the net confirming the accusations against him, he wouldn't have a case but now he most definitely doesn't.

More then likely though his "lawyer" is boogieman to discourage people from trying to collect the money they are owed as its an added expense to an already difficult situation. Which leads to Mark Waid and his offer. I wouldn't mind knowing who takes him up on that and what happens as a result. Hat tip to Mark for such a generous offer.

[Cam63]

Semper Fi, folks.

" Ric "... Start sweatin', stain master and pay the fuck up.

[the4thpip]

Maybe if Fredric Wertham had become president of the US, the commies wouldn't have won?
Ironically, Erlangen, the city where Wertham went to university is not the site of Germany's largest comic con.

And yay for Mark Waid. As if I could have looked forward to Brave and the Bold any more. :D

[Cam63]

Alright... Time for some levity here.

Rick Olney goes to the doctor wearing nothing but a see through plastic raincoat.

" Doctor ! Can you tell me what's wrong with me !? ", he pleads.

The doc' pushes his glasses up the bridge of his nose. " Well... I can clearly see your nuts. "

[Mike Bullock]

Shades of Mark Alessi.


Attention, all creators who have been stiffed by Olney:
if you want to file a claim against the man but can't afford the expense, I will cover you out of my own pocket. No joke. I don't care if Olney owes you ninety bucks or nine thousand, if you're willing to put together your case but reclamation costs, filing fees and professional legal consultation are standing between you and your day in court, I will personally foot those bills. Contact me and we'll work out the details. If you're one of the three people on the internet who don't know my e-mail address, contact Gail and she'll forward your correspondence.

Go get him.

You're the man, Mark. Expect an email soon.

[OzBat!]

Mike Bullock! Fantastic to see you here on YABS, both of my kids and I LOVE Lions Tigers and Bears.

The sad bit about seeing you here on YABS is that you've had something to do with Mr Olney.

Never mind! Come for the legal railroading, stay for the coffee and donuts!

[Typo Lad]

Mister Waid, I already had tremendous respect for you as a creator.

Now I have tremendous respect for you as a person as well.

It's wonderful that a thread about someone who basically personifies everything that can be wrong about comics has so many paragons of the industry posting on it. It shows him for the abberation that he is.

In personal news, it turns out that the Olney-esque person I had dealings with is, in fact, connected to Olney.

Shock!

[Mike Bullock]

Mike Bullock! Fantastic to see you here on YABS, both of my kids and I LOVE Lions Tigers and Bears.

The sad bit about seeing you here on YABS is that you've had something to do with Mr Olney.

Never mind! Come for the legal railroading, stay for the coffee and donuts!

Thanks for the warm welcome, OzBat, even if this is far from my first post in here. Gail rocks. Olney, obviously, does not.

[AIPman1]

Well, I'm going to go off on another angle here, as the current level of go-after-ness has hit it's true stride with Sir Waid's offer (we can have Gail officially KNIGHT him later).

Tim: I know you want to do a benefit book. And I know you don't have the cash to do it on a Diamond-level.

This is the Physician - heal thyself approach that Dimestore uses for our anthology as we are building our distribution system. We also used it to finance the production and distribution of the 6 #0 issues from Small Press Idol this year.

The set up is simple: We use the Dimestore distro system online to pre-order the book, then use the $$ generated to print and ship the book. We can set up books many different ways. This includes being able to give each creator their own code to order the book designated at whatever cost we want to give them. We give 50% off cover price to cover to cretors involved in our anthology. This allows them to order as many copies as they want...then re-sell them at conventions and shows and signings they do, and that is their profit on it. So individuals can order copies, retailers can order copies, and creators can order copies, our system is tested and works.

Our payout on individual sales is set to 90% of cover price. I'd waive that, to help the benefit book turn a profit that can be further spread to the designated benefitiaries as administrated by the ICC. Basically, I'd want to make sure I cover any cost of serving as order center, which would be basically what - paypal fees from orders, and the cost of a money order to send to you the $$ collected. Dimestore works directly with SIPS POD as a printer option - buy you can pick and choose any printer for the project you wish. Depending on the sales, the printer choice can be left open until towards the end of the pre-sale period.

So I'll put that out there, as an option. We've put out real books by real creators and gotten them to real readers, and have most of the bugs worked out of our system now. Not to say we're perfect, not to say we have the clout and power of other publishing options that might buy the benefit book outright...but if you want to keep 100% of the control of how things are done where you want it, it's a solid route. It's doing well for us.

[Sharpandpointies]

Having finally slogged my way through this thread, I have to say:

Kudos to those who are stepping up against this fellow. It looks like he has been preying on the good nature of many people for quite some time.

[THEDOC]

Well, I'm going to go off on another angle here, as the current level of go-after-ness has hit it's true stride with Sir Waid's offer (we can have Gail officially KNIGHT him later).

Tim: I know you want to do a benefit book. And I know you don't have the cash to do it on a Diamond-level.

This is the Physician - heal thyself approach that Dimestore uses for our anthology as we are building our distribution system. We also used it to finance the production and distribution of the 6 #0 issues from Small Press Idol this year.

The set up is simple: We use the Dimestore distro system online to pre-order the book, then use the $$ generated to print and ship the book. We can set up books many different ways. This includes being able to give each creator their own code to order the book designated at whatever cost we want to give them. We give 50% off cover price to cover to cretors involved in our anthology. This allows them to order as many copies as they want...then re-sell them at conventions and shows and signings they do, and that is their profit on it. So individuals can order copies, retailers can order copies, and creators can order copies, our system is tested and works.

Our payout on individual sales is set to 90% of cover price. I'd waive that, to help the benefit book turn a profit that can be further spread to the designated benefitiaries as administrated by the ICC. Basically, I'd want to make sure I cover any cost of serving as order center, which would be basically what - paypal fees from orders, and the cost of a money order to send to you the $$ collected. Dimestore works directly with SIPS POD as a printer option - buy you can pick and choose any printer for the project you wish. Depending on the sales, the printer choice can be left open until towards the end of the pre-sale period.

So I'll put that out there, as an option. We've put out real books by real creators and gotten them to real readers, and have most of the bugs worked out of our system now. Not to say we're perfect, not to say we have the clout and power of other publishing options that might buy the benefit book outright...but if you want to keep 100% of the control of how things are done where you want it, it's a solid route. It's doing well for us.



Like I said "Rick" seems to have re-opened doors he had hoped he had shut forever.

[THEDOC]

Originally Posted by orcafresh
"I actually heard that Scott has a HUGE fambly. He's shown you pictures of his fambly, hasn't he, "Gail"? Yeah, sorry. Everyone makes spelling errors. When "professional" writers make them it has to be funny."

Y'know, for once, Leech Lad is right. Including pets, there are eight of us here at Chateau Shaw! That IS "a huge fambly".

I met Scott and his wife at a St; Charles IL. show a year or so ago and they were the nicest, most approachable folks I have ever met.
Oh Scott, Tim Gula was touched by the nice things you said about him to me at that show.

[Art Grafunkel]

I've kept my eye on this mess ever since it appeared in Johnston's LITG, and registered especially to post this.

I've read the majority of this thread, and I am amazed at how low this Olney-character has allowed himself to sink. Maybe he meant right at the very beginning, but he just kept on ziggin' when he shoud've zagged. But also, I'm amazed at how long it took for people to take action: he's not living up to his end of an agreement, mindlessly uttering legal non-sequiturs, blurting out all sorts of manic nonsense, being a professional/social hazard to himself and others...

Of course I don't know what happened outside this thread/messageboard, but I do hope that Kurt Busiek's idea of taking the matter into your own hands, and not revert to a useless back-and-forth, by collectively shopping the (ex?)Tightlip comics to another publisher, was not just thrown to the side. A project like this helps to heal some wounds: emotionally, professionally, and perhaps to some extent financially.

And I can't praise Mark Waid enough.

Being a comic reader and somewhat of an "struggling artiste" myself it was frustrating going through the whole thread, going "Jesus Christ almighty, get your asses from behind your computer screens, grab yourselves a lawyer or contact the CBLDF and put a stop to this loon!!! AARGH!!!"... and that was only fourteen pages in, I still had some eighty pages to go, and Olney himself hadn't shown up yet to make matters even worse! But I do realise legal action costs money, maybe more than it would generate, I don't really know. And that might scare off people from taking this guy to court to settle this. It might scare 'em more than some nut calling everyone dissagreeing with him a liar and threatening them with "legal action".

And I swear, if I had enough dosh, I would do exactly the same as Waid.

"Fuck this, this guy has to pay one way or another... Trial's on me, guys! Let's rock 'n roll!"

Unfortunately, I don't. Heh.

Waid?

You rock.

I hope this means (the beginning of) the end of this.

[Wil Radcliffe]

Shades of Mark Alessi.

I remember Gail's phone calls from the road the weekend she attended Rick's show and, when recounting her tribulations here, she's being kind to the man. The crap he put her through was absolutely absurd and unconscionable, and I remember at th etime really starting to worry that the next time I saw Gail, it would be on the side of a milk carton.

Attention, all creators who have been stiffed by Olney:
if you want to file a claim against the man but can't afford the expense, I will cover you out of my own pocket. No joke. I don't care if Olney owes you ninety bucks or nine thousand, if you're willing to put together your case but reclamation costs, filing fees and professional legal consultation are standing between you and your day in court, I will personally foot those bills. Contact me and we'll work out the details. If you're one of the three people on the internet who don't know my e-mail address, contact Gail and she'll forward your correspondence.

Go get him.


A very generous offer, Mark!

Maybe I'll be able to afford that new Halloween Man trade after all! :D

[Cully Hamner]

Seriously generous offer, Mark. Kudos to you...

[Gail Simone]

Nice to see all you new folks...sorry it's because of this nonsense.

Anyone not buying Lions, Tigers and Bears is missing one of the best all ages books since...well, ever.

Can you believe there are still several people who haven't yet come forward?

And like I've been saying for about a hundred years, Mark Waid is the best. I'm kinda stunned at his offer and I hope some folks take advantage of it.

Gail

[singoalla]

Originally Posted by Mark Waid
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Attention, all creators who have been stiffed by Olney:
if you want to file a claim against the man but can't afford the expense, I will cover you out of my own pocket. No joke. I don't care if Olney owes you ninety bucks or nine thousand, if you're willing to put together your case but reclamation costs, filing fees and professional legal consultation are standing between you and your day in court, I will personally foot those bills. Contact me and we'll work out the details. If you're one of the three people on the internet who don't know my e-mail address, contact Gail and she'll forward your correspondence.

Go get him.

Mark Waid is currently writing 52 (along with many others) and Supergirl and the Legion of Superheroes. 52 has been an excellent read, and it's like christmas every week when I dash off to get it.

This thread could've scared many out of comics, but everyone in this thread ('cept forr that "Rick" dude) has showed that there are decent, kind, and caring people around.

I love comics. And I love the creators of comics. You're all wonderful people. :)

('cept for "Rick", but he's not a creator per se, so he does not count)

[websbestcomics]

Shades of Mark Alessi.

I remember Gail's phone calls from the road the weekend she attended Rick's show and, when recounting her tribulations here, she's being kind to the man. The crap he put her through was absolutely absurd and unconscionable, and I remember at th etime really starting to worry that the next time I saw Gail, it would be on the side of a milk carton.

Attention, all creators who have been stiffed by Olney:
if you want to file a claim against the man but can't afford the expense, I will cover you out of my own pocket. No joke. I don't care if Olney owes you ninety bucks or nine thousand, if you're willing to put together your case but reclamation costs, filing fees and professional legal consultation are standing between you and your day in court, I will personally foot those bills. Contact me and we'll work out the details. If you're one of the three people on the internet who don't know my e-mail address, contact Gail and she'll forward your correspondence.

Go get him.


I must be one of those 3. Gail?

[TCJohnson]

And like I've been saying for about a hundred years, Mark Waid is the best. I'm kinda stunned at his offer and I hope some folks take advantage of it.

Gail

Another good thing that has come out of all of this: we finally know Gail's age.

[Gail Simone]

Seriously generous offer, Mark. Kudos to you...

I'm suing you, too, Cully. No reason, I just feel that's the professional thing to do.

Gail

[Cully Hamner]

Fine, bring it on, "Gail!" I will wear whatever suit you bring like a... a... well, like a suit, come to think of it.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Mark Waid is my new god. If I weren't thinking of becoming a godless commie.

[Smileybonex]

Well, I've been a regular at comic fesitvals/expo's in the UK for the past 15 years (the past 5 of which have been more in a position as assistant than the previous 10 years worth of fanboy, although I will NEVER renounce that title) and this thread has just confirmed what I have always believed; there are a few idiots in the comics world, but they are far outweighed by the upstanding, honourable and downright likeable creators, many of which have popped up in this thread.

One thing that has stood out about this thread however is its polarity; normlly when I see threads with arguments/disagreements/questions of belief on forums there are always those few who take the side of the accused, be it in their belief he/she is correct, or that they enjoy instigating conflict.

Not Here.

There is a voice of ONE for one side, and MANY for the other.

I dont think I have EVER seen that much of a landslide since the eviction of Sezer in Big Brother UK (91.6%)

What is sad is that he doesnt seem to realise this...

maybe we should just pity him.

As a side note, at a convention a couple of years ago I was chatting to Neil Googe at a convention...He was chatting to me about a new title he was in dicussions with at DC, and asked what I knew about a certain Miss Simone...Now, I have never met you Gail (never had the pleasure), but without a seconds thought, I said "amazing, simply amazing".

Why?

1. I love your books; well written, balanced between action and pathos and downright fun.

2. You are a "name" in ther industry. Cynical I know, but EVERY artist/writer gains a boost when teamed with a good counterpart.

3. Wherever I have heard your name, it has been linked with intergrity and honesty, and with a fair hearing.

Of all 3 above points, I think the third held the most weight in my chat with Neil, and i'm guessing i'm not the only one with that opinion. It says alot about that person when they give out that appearance. At the end of the day, we all create opinions of those we meet on the net PURELY from how they act, reply and react.

I have a very high opinion of you Gail.

answers on a postcard as to how I see "Rick"

And as to my post's title; How about having a poll right now?

Poll - Whose side are you on? (very "Civil War")

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

I just found this board...wow...I've never heard of such outright duplicity in not only failing to pay but also trying to sue creators for it. Yikes.

And Mr. Waid, that is a hell of a generous offer. Honestly I'd take it if I was someone that got robbed like this. You'd take this guy to the cleaners.

That all said, I really like Kurt's idea. You guys should get together and do a book with the material. I'd buy it and promote it as well. Who wouldn't at least look at a Gail Simone or Chuck Dixon book?

Good luck guys.

JP

[shanejayell]

*salutes Mark Waid, canada style*

I'm impressed.

[Momma Absurd]

I was so touched when I read Mr. Waid's post. I have heard my soon to be hubby mention Mr. Waid's name several times about his great talents and the inspiration he brings with his work. Mr. Waid not only do I appreciate your generous offer to help everyone, but I appreciate the man behind it...

In the short time I have been posting here I have "met" some of the most awesome people I have ever known. No wonder comics have always held such a special place in my heart, it is because the creators are all heart....and it shows.......

Momma "gotta love you people" Absurd

[Matt Doc Martin]

I want to be the guy who can deliver the goods in getting to the bottom of circulating lies and heresay.

I am not sure what "Dick" is trying to say here.

Cause from what it sounds, he is top-notch at that already.

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[AIPman1]

I like these quotes:
I have too much work lined up in 2007 to start blowing things now.
Uh, when does one close a barn door?
I want these projects to lead to bigger and better things.I hear real estate fraud is lucrative
I have my foot on the bottom rung of the comics' ladder and want to start making my way up it.At least he knows where he stands.

[EdContradictory]

*salutes Mark Waid, canada style*


Mark, that means he taped pine cones to his peener.

[TCJohnson]

At least he knows where he stands.

Not quite. He is on the bottom run to the ladder to kiddy pool. He will realize it when he makes it up a few more rungs.

[Sarah Beach]

Matt, thanks for that link!

I've really got to stop paying even bemused attention to the wannabe. He really seems to believe that "all publicity is good publicity". And that the fact that folks like Gail Simone & Kurt Busiek are mentioning him must mean that he can write well. (And isn't it interesting that when he wants to make himself look good, Gail's name is worth dropping? Gosh, just as if she were something far better than the "hack" he's been calling her!)

"Worth mentioning" (and it's a really limited worth now) does not equal "quality writing". Heh.

I'll say it again, this thread will live a while longer as people vent off their frustrations. But already those injured are recovering, and looking forward. And the support, interest, and common feeling expressed in the thread are part of that. But none of the credit goes to Himself. Rather, the fact that the folks here are good quality folks.

Anyway... heh. Now he thinks he's a writer. Oh, man. Someone who can't recognize that the use of "fambly" was for intentional fun. He's got a loooooong way to go. But then... we've got plenty examples of his abuse of the language, don't we? Say, where's that rolled newspaper? That nose needs swatting again.

[TCJohnson]

I'll say it again, this thread will live a while longer as people vent off their frustrations. But already those injured are recovering, and looking forward. And the support, interest, and common feeling expressed in the thread are part of that. But none of the credit goes to Himself. Rather, the fact that the folks here are good quality folks.



A lot of cool people who don't normally post here have begun to because of this thread. I just hope some of these people will start joining the silliness on other threads.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Matt, thanks for that link!

I've really got to stop paying even bemused attention to the wannabe. He really seems to believe that "all publicity is good publicity". And that the fact that folks like Gail Simone & Kurt Busiek are mentioning him must mean that he can write well. (And isn't it interesting that when he wants to make himself look good, Gail's name is worth dropping? Gosh, just as if she were something far better than the "hack" he's been calling her!)

"Worth mentioning" (and it's a really limited worth now) does not equal "quality writing". Heh.

I'll say it again, this thread will live a while longer as people vent off their frustrations. But already those injured are recovering, and looking forward. And the support, interest, and common feeling expressed in the thread are part of that. But none of the credit goes to Himself. Rather, the fact that the folks here are good quality folks.

Anyway... heh. Now he thinks he's a writer. Oh, man. Someone who can't recognize that the use of "fambly" was for intentional fun. He's got a loooooong way to go. But then... we've got plenty examples of his abuse of the language, don't we? Say, where's that rolled newspaper? That nose needs swatting again.


Well, he does deserve an award!


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[Matt Doc Martin]

Although, if people like "GAIL SIMONE" and Kurt Busiek are talking about what you've written -- it certainly can't be a bad thing for a career.


Uh, when did ANYONE mention anything you actually wrote? Or that you have a career, "Dick"?

What HAS been mentioned is your delusions of grandeur, your inability to pay, and your general lack of social graces.

[TCJohnson]

Uh, when did ANYONE mention anything you actually wrote? Or that you have a career, "Dick"?

What HAS been mentioned is your delusions of grandeur, your inability to pay, and your general lack of social graces.

Well, to be fair, Gail did comment on his writing. Said it was terrible.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Well, to be fair, Gail did comment on his writing. Said it was terrible.

My bad. I owe "Dick" an apology.


"Dick", I am sorry you suck as a writer.

[Gail Simone]

Well, to be fair, Gail did comment on his writing. Said it was terrible.

Only his promo copy, which is some of the dumbest, most impenetrable stuff I've ever had the displeasure to read.

When I commented on it, he tried to blame Ronee, who'd had nothing to do with it and writes a thousand times better in her sleep than Olney could channeling the ghost of Hemingway.

And I love how he's trying to convey that anyone actually is ASKING for his stuff rather than it all, every speck, being for a made-up vanity imprint where no one was actually PAID.

Delusions are neat.

Gail

[TCJohnson]

You just KNOW that if he does get anything published he is going to release ads with quotes from Gail: "Rick Onley is such a good riter! I wiss I could write as good as hem."

[EdContradictory]

What I never understand with the delusional like Rick is... what do they do for a living?

He hasn't had a convention recent enough to have any money from that. He hasn't made a dime off of any comics from Tightlip. He must have a "real" job. But he's never mentioned it. He just pretends his full time job is running his entertina ment company.

Which would be funnier if it wasn't so sad.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Attention, all creators who have been stiffed by Olney:
if you want to file a claim against the man but can't afford the expense, I will cover you out of my own pocket. No joke. I don't care if Olney owes you ninety bucks or nine thousand, if you're willing to put together your case but reclamation costs, filing fees and professional legal consultation are standing between you and your day in court, I will personally foot those bills. Contact me and we'll work out the details. If you're one of the three people on the internet who don't know my e-mail address, contact Gail and she'll forward your correspondence.

Go get him.

This is stand-up, kick-ass behavior.

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[EdContradictory]

I wasn't planning on coming back here to post,
You didn't even last a day.

That is so pathetic.

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[TCJohnson]

And what the hell are you going to sue him for?

[JeffreyWKramer]

You didn't even last a day.

That is so pathetic.

And completely unsurprising.

[JeffreyWKramer]

And what the hell are you going to sue him for?

Being a nice guy is a crime on Earth-Olney.

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[Sarah Beach]

The mind boggles at how one could possibly justify making Mark Waid a party to any legal contention, simply because he has expressed a willingness to assist those of one side of a conflict!

And really... to deliver such comments to WebsBest here? Really inappropriate. Why not simply ask for a contact address, so that official communication can be delivered?

Oh, I forgot. He's got to take center-stage. Even for prat-falls.

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[EdContradictory]

Ed, you're giving real liberals a bad image. :p
Golly. That reply made no sense at all.

I'm a "fake" liberal? And that has what to do with any of this, regardless?

By the way, where are your defenders? Who's speaking up for you?

[TCJohnson]

Yes, interesting offer there by Mr. Waid! Bravo Mark! 'Course, I have no idea how this compounds the matter -- but for sure, you can also be made a party to any action where countersuits are filed. Bravo for you! A people's champion!



Yes he is, fighting against the evil empire...erm...the evil person....erm....the evil stain that is Rick Olney!

Yay Mark, a true hero.

[Cully Hamner]

I wasn't planning on coming back here to post...

"...But I felt that the attention paid me thus far was beginning to wane. Plus, Mark Waid's ballsy offer to bankroll legal action against made me pee a few drops (which is what I'm really talking about when I incessantly mention my "honorable discharge"). So, I had no choice but to return, make a few empty threats, and polish my legend-in-my-own-mind status, lest my name not be spoken of again."

Dude, just... stop... DIGGING. China doesn't want you, and neither do we!

[Matt Algren]

Well, I can't get into that, obviously.
I don't usually do this, but what the hey.

ROFLMAO!

[khuxford]

Well, I can't get into that, obviously. Only to add that a civil suit and countersuit await Mr. Reed. So Mark Waid -- How about you hire Reed to create 5 or 6 websites for you, she can afford a real lawyer!? Mark, seriously -- I am pleased that you've involved yourself in this matter. Thank you. Umm... you did talk to your attorney, right? I mean, before making such a bold statement (and whatever remarks)?

Wow...as if you need to further demonstrate having lost touch with reality...you can threaten Mr. Waid with legal action, yet "can't get into that, obviously" when pressed for what in the world you could actually sue him for...after demonstrating that you have far looser lips than any legally savvy and cautious businessman would ever have.

Tell you what...just to shut you up...I'd like to suggest that maybe the effected creators try to pick a law firm by some sort of consensus and then have them establish a fund to accept donations to pay for the services of said law firm. That way, ANYONE (wink wink, Mr. Waid) can donate privately and remain out of the fray.

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[TCJohnson]

Man, so this is what Marines do...when the going gets tough blame everybody else and then cower behind the nearest lawyer.

I still think you are mentally disturbed and have my pity for that, but on top of that you are an evil bastard.

[EdContradictory]

Far as my tact -- nobody here has deserved much, if any, consideration.
Bull. All of your former employees and people you owe money to deserve such consideration.

You are not arguing from a position of power, here. Your NDAs aren't going to mean anything once it's easily proven that you violated the contract first by not paying. And that you revealed employee/employer information online yourself.

If you truly had talked to an attorney, they would have told you to stop posting about all of this and take care of it off-line.

Any judge who reads this thread (and they will), will rule against you pretty quickly.

[EdContradictory]

Have a good day!
See you tomorrow!

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[EdContradictory]

Six minutes!

Your desperate need for attention is hilarious.

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[singoalla]

Now he will sue Mark Waid?!

The mind boggles. Truly.

Can you say Megalomania? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusions_of_grandeur)
Not taking into account all the other speculation* of possible mental issues. I'm starting to agree with the Momma with the MA.

*speculation isn't defamation, it is merely pondering out loud, or in type as it were here. Also, defamation is really hard to bring to court, since most affected by these proceedings live in the US. I refer to, of course, the 1st amendment which includes Freedom of Expression, which also includes satire, so cartoon away cartooners. I mention this in case "someone" feels a desire to bring others to trial due to libel/slander/defamation etc :)

[Cully Hamner]

Dig, dig, dig. Have you hit the Great Wall yet, drama queen?

[Gail Simone]

Ms. Beach:

I am merely behaving as anyone in my position would. Far as Mark Waid, if you or any other person professing to know the intricacies of legal matters when a lawsuit is bankrolled by a third party and the motive behind it ... be my guest in expounding. Far as my tact -- nobody here has deserved much, if any, consideration.

No, you're behaving as a delusional deadbeat liar.

Most NORMAL people wouldn't have cheated so many people.

And I'm sure Mark Waid is as afraid of you as I am, which is to say not at all.


You're done, Rick. You've destroyed your imagined future career through lies, cheating, and bullying.

And for god's sake, get a dictionary. There's only so much appalling nonsense the brain can absorb, Mr. "Writer."

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Hey Raph! Best wishes with your con building efforts in 2007 and beyond!

Wow... you really are late for this party. Quick, read a few posts back and jum in anywhere to boost that count up. Man, it has been a few days since we saw a newbie here. Welcome onboard! "Gail" sends her love! Maybe, if we play this right -- We can get Mark Waid, Kurt Busiek, and "Gail Simone" to guest at your next con GRATIS! Go ahead, you and DOC ask them! They're noce peple. Just don't forget to pick "Gail's" ass up in a sweet smelling honda. ;)

Well, at least his con is real and not imaginary...

Gail

[the4thpip]

Well, I can't get into that, obviously.

Quite obviously, because you have nothing.

[Gail Simone]

Dig, dig, dig. Have you hit the Great Wall yet, drama queen?

You should just thank god you didn't go to his "con."

The first night, he put us all in a hotel so horrible that one noted comics commentator, a smoker herself, slept in her car instead. He forgot to book a room for me for the last night, and when they finally found one in the middle of the night, his credit card was rejected. They did a panel where four people were in the audience, I kid you not, and one of them was my husband. And that's just part of it. It was the Keystone Cops without the sense of dignity.

Gail

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[EdContradictory]

Like you said, bull. That's the trouble with trying to find a platform OUTSIDE of legal action to solve this ... too many cooks in the soup! lol

What do you do for a living? What's your regular day job?

No specifics, just industry, title, if you're comfortable with it.

I'm curious.

[Gail Simone]

No, not true, Lance Boucher. I realy don't care who gets in bed with whom within the comic book entertainment industry. Tim can saddle up with whomever he cares to. I'd just advise him and Daph (along with that idiot lawyer of theirs) to be sure that the ICC is as free-and-clear as he assumes it to be. Shires is bound to be around anyone's campfire as long as he can pontificate upon the virtues of the SPA.

Bet he's not a deadbeat liar pretending the comics world wants his amateurish writing.

Just so there's an acknowledged difference, I mean.

Gail

[Sarah Beach]

Ms. Beach:

I am merely behaving as anyone in my position would. Far as Mark Waid, if you or any other person professing to know the intricacies of legal matters when a lawsuit is bankrolled by a third party and the motive behind it ... be my guest in expounding. Far as my tact -- nobody here has deserved much, if any, consideration.

Really? "Anyone"?

And "tact"? My observation had NOTHING to do with "tact". It had to do with the fact that a recreational message board is HARDLY the place for formal communciations about legal/business matters.

Cripes.

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[Mark Waid]

Well, I can't get into that, obviously. Only to add that a civil suit and countersuit await Mr. Reed. So Mark Waid -- How about you hire Reed to create 5 or 6 websites for you, she can afford a real lawyer!? Mark, seriously -- I am pleased that you've involved yourself in this matter. Thank you. Umm... you did talk to your attorney, right? I mean, before making such a bold statement (and whatever remarks)?

I did, in fact. But thank you for your pathetic attempt at making a patronizing wisecrack. I wish you'd spent that time instead explaining why you haven't paid so many of your vendors.

[TCJohnson]

I have a question. Considering the phsyque (sorry if I mispelled it...although I would point out I am majorly dyslexic and still write better than some others...) of the average comic book collector....is Orca really the name you want to go with for your group?

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[EdContradictory]

And "tact"? My observation had NOTHING to do with "tact". It had to do with the fact that a recreational message board is HARDLY the place for formal communciations about legal/business matters.

Which just proves that he's never spoken to a lawyer.

Any lawyer worth a dime would have told him to stop posting at all months ago.

I suspect the first time he'll see a real lawyer is when he has one read to him the complaint against him that's hopefully coming soon.

[EdContradictory]

Ummm... no.

What is your day job? What do you do for a living?

[TCJohnson]

I did, in fact. But thank you for your pathetic attempt at making a patronizing wisecrack. I wish you'd spent that time instead explaining why you haven't paid so many of your vendors.

Mr. Waid,

I am not in the position to make your generous offer, but if I could donate some money to this cause please let me know.

[Gail Simone]

"Gail" -- I am sure that Chicago with DOC and Raph would be better for you. Yes, I forgot ... a honda may not be big enough for you. Sorry.

Yes, my card that night was rejected -- it actually topped out after paying for other transportation costs and in covering Ian Shires breakfast bill for his brood that he dragged along. Geez... a $161.00 dollars breakfast on Saturday morning!

I had nothing to do with the PANELS. That was Tim Tobolski, dear old Doc_Absurd here. Cry to him.

Far as your Saturday night room -- Dennis Kininger covered your costs. It was HIS car you rode to the Herkimer Motel in on Saturday, and his car that you rode back to Syracuse on Saturday night in.

I know that last bit, idiot. That was the car that DIDN'T stink. We've covered this several times...listen, if people around you are holding their noses (which we all were, it was the topic of much conversation) when you're around, Rick, maybe it's time to invest in some soap.

But you DID have something to do with the panels, Rick. You put together an embarrassment of a convention that no one attended.

And once again blaming Dennis? So sad, so very sad. He was very surprised by your attempt to blame him for your non-payment screwups, by the way. Classy move for one of your few remaining friends!

Gail

[Gail Simone]

I did, in fact. But thank you for your pathetic attempt at making a patronizing wisecrack. I wish you'd spent that time instead explaining why you haven't paid so many of your vendors.

Meltdown coming in...


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[Sarah Beach]

Yeah, sure... reading back over the false things printed here ... and a portion by you ... and you expect consideration? Ummm... no.

Talk is cheap, buddy. What is it that you are contending I have presented "falsely"? Do tell!

[Gail Simone]

Yeah, sure... reading back over the false things printed here ... and a portion by you ... and you expect consideration? Ummm... no.

What's false, Rick?

Did you promise all these people payment in fifteen days, or not?

Did you promise to pay me before I left for your convention or not?

No one gives a shit about you, Rick, EXCEPT THAT YOU OWE THEM MONEY.

There's no vendetta. Be a man, pay who you owe, and you can go back to pretending you're a Star Wars toy and be forgotten again.

Then EVERYONE's happy.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Geez... all that, and she knows her numbers too! :p

For someone who writes like a dead gibbon, knowing numbers and letters probably does seem like magic to you.

I know you think you're really zinging, Rick, but you insult about as well as you write copy.

(psssssst...that means you suck at both).

Gail

[EdContradictory]

But for now, I really must leave this message thread and website. Thank you.
See, here's the thing. You actually think that you can sue people for calling you "pathetic" on a website and make a ton of money off of it. Each post by Mr. Waid translates to $$$$ in your head.

But you can't. Now, mind you I'm no lawyer, mind you, but...

One, you kept coming back. If you want to prove that you were injured by any of this, you needed to stop posting here a long time ago. That you kept coming back negates all of that. On some level, as others have opined, you enjoy this.

Second, I think the people you're going to sue can make a pretty convincing argument that you were acting pathetic. It would certainly be fun to try.

Third, you have no damages. You have no product. You've never printed a comic, you haven't held a convention in years. Nothing said here disrupted any sales. Because there are no sales.

Fourth, you did nothing to mitigate any pretend damages you think you're due. You can't threaten people so they say more so you can sue them for more damages. That's not how it works.

See you tomorrow!

[Gail Simone]

Let's start here...this is, I swear, ACTUAL COPY from Rick promoting his vanity line of crap.

""In a world where mankind has placed self greed and material worth over morality and justice -- The entertaining values of TightLip exist to point and guide your imagination to reality." "

He honestly seems to think this is an intelligible sentence. I've seen some bad copy, but HOLY CRAP, that's hideous.


"We're a small, yet multi-faceted entertainment company, based in upstate New York that is dedicated to bringing the world of comic-book entertainment to the world beyond the present day normal. "

hahahahahaha! I mean just...OH MY GOD. hahahahahahaha!

I sure hope he is dedicated to bringing the world of comic book entertainment to the world beyond the present day normal! :)

And there's pages like this. Smartest thing he could have done was hire Ronee, but then not using her to fix this tripe is really bizarre.

Gail

[EdContradictory]

But for now, I really must leave this message thread and website. Thank you.

Geez... all that, and she knows her numbers too!

One minute! One minute!

You could only stay away for all of one minute!

[TCJohnson]

Here is the first part of his ad for his comic, Freedom 3:

Perhaps the most significant contribution of heroes into the popular literature of the 20th century was made by the form of graphic narrative known as comics. It is difficult to disagree with this statement, and the serious comic collector as well as just someone interested in pop culture will want to give Freedom 3 a look, as they're characters crafted from real life scenarios of this time.

During earlier times in America, propaganda was used to support American ideals of the right over wrong, good over evil scenario. Imaginary characters contributed to escapist entertainment value in a more direct and appealing way on the patriotic and positive view of the American political situation. Today those values are gone or muddied. That younger American's have imaginary characters which address and speak to them on the level is very important. That they are capable of realizing that the "good guys" can beat the "bad guys" is also important. It touches the very real notion that, in time, being unable to recognize good from evil could give evil a foothold.

Welcome to today. Where politicans take their cue to right and wrong from corporations versus from those American's that voted them into office. Where with each growing month, terrorism takes the lives of innocent human beings on a level where previously only hunger, disease, and lack of education robbed souls.


Does that not make you want to run out and buy it?

Does that not make you shake your head, wondering what the hell the book is about?

[JeffreyWKramer]

One minute! One minute!

You could only stay away for all of one minute!

I suspect it doesn't take him very long to engage in a round of self-pleasure between his posts, and he probably got so excited at the fact that a professional was deigning to address him at all that it took even less time than usual.

[TomStillwell]

Let's start here...this is, I swear, ACTUAL COPY from Rick promoting his vanity line of crap.

""In a world where mankind has placed self greed and material worth over morality and justice -- The entertaining values of TightLip exist to point and guide your imagination to reality." "

He honestly seems to think this is an intelligible sentence. I've seen some bad copy, but HOLY CRAP, that's hideous.


"We're a small, yet multi-faceted entertainment company, based in upstate New York that is dedicated to bringing the world of comic-book entertainment to the world beyond the present day normal. "

hahahahahaha! I mean just...OH MY GOD. hahahahahahaha!

I sure hope he is dedicated to bringing the world of comic book entertainment to the world beyond the present day normal! :)

And there's pages like this. Smartest thing he could have done was hire Ronee, but then not using her to fix this tripe is really bizarre.

Gail

He wouldn't know present day normal if it shoved a NDA up his ass.

[EdContradictory]

Perhaps the most significant contribution of heroes into the popular literature of the 20th century was made by the form of graphic narrative known as comics.
That's not even a real sentence.

[Gail Simone]

"During earlier times in America, propaganda was used to support American ideals of the right over wrong, good over evil scenario."

Jesus, is English like his FIFTH language?

Hideous.

I'm sure people are dying to read about how propaganda was used to support American ideals of the right over wrong, good over evil scenario.

YIKES. It's like trying to read blocks of cement.


I wonder, though, how in the world he thinks stiffing people and lying to them puts him on the side of good? What world is that? How is cheating people out of money they need to support their families American?

Weird.

Gail

[TCJohnson]

And here is a picture of the Freedom 3.

http://tightlipentertainment.com/wp-content/themes/default/img/f3_01.jpg

A winged guy with a mace or flail....doesn't the originality of it just kick you in the gonads?

[Wil Radcliffe]

"Gail" -- I am sure that Chicago with DOC and Raph would be better for you. Yes, I forgot ... a honda may not be big enough for you. Sorry.



Says Slim Goodbody.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Does that not make you want to run out and buy it?

Does that not make you shake your head, wondering what the hell the book is about?

Apparently it's about the glory and wonder of propaganda. Sort of GOEBBELS FOR DUMMIES.

[singoalla]

Where with each growing month, terrorism takes the lives of innocent human beings on a level where previously only hunger, disease, and lack of education robbed souls.

Because it's not like 10 million children under the age of 5 die each year of starvation and disease, and 121 million children are unable to attend school... :rolleyes:

[Draconomicon]

I guess whomever is keeping your tally will place those facts -- allowed to you as the financial backer of the aggrieved -- when the time comes, Mr. Waid.

See... contrary to what is being talked about broadly here, you do not have all the facts. So, from a mere point of speculation -- this matter is most likely going to need some sort of fund raising group all its own in order to extricate a few of these talents.

But for now, I really must leave this message thread and website. Thank you.

Question: Is he saying here that he will sue the people he owes money to, so he can get money from 'them'?

[TCJohnson]

I wonder, though, how in the world he thinks stiffing people and lying to them puts him on the side of good? What world is that? How is cheating people out of money they need to support their families American?

Weird.



Which is why I get riled up about this guy. He pulls crap like this and then talks about honor and loyalty and justice. The cheating is bad but I have seen that before. His hypocrisy is just unbelievable.

And I just want to note that I was trying to be nice to him at first.

[Gail Simone]

Here is the first part of his ad for his comic, Freedom 3:



Does that not make you want to run out and buy it?

Does that not make you shake your head, wondering what the hell the book is about?


One of the characters is called, "Globe."

Gail

[websbestcomics]

Scott:

I wasn't planning on coming back here to post, as I was told that some of what has been mentioned in this thread constitutes a legal presentation. But, contrary to any of that, I wanted to reply directly to your above post.

I sent you the last 3 emails attempting to do as I was directed to do. In short, we were trying, attempting to talk to you about the website matter. As I told you back then, your website work --contrary to your position of thinking BOTH projects were contractual and payable together -- was separate of your comics work. There were no harrassing emails. My attorney has copies of your requests and later unrealistic demands. The attorney that you hired from Ilion, New York was very understanding and fully agreed with our presentment to him regarding your 'images' not constituting your 1/2 agreed upon completed work to be paid 1/2 your agreed upon notion that pulling images and slapping them on a template somehow fulfilled YOUR creative obligation -- and YOU wrote that contract, sir! -- So I take no credit there.

Additionally, if you have hired another attorney -- We've not seen or heard from him/her. Please expedite that asap, as I have a countersuit awaiting your pleasure. Again, much of this thread is just a compilation of "Gail Simone's" negative orgasmic throes ... combined with her plebe followers (and I really mean no disrespect,) but trolls and stalkers are just that to anyone that can differentiate between the two.

I was instructed to further explain to you that your website work was not to our liking and approval based only on your (after-the-fact) presentation of the images you provided.

Additionally, you violated your non disclosure agreement, and the confidentiality clause in your contract. Yoiu you are also on that short list of talents that need to have their interactions and due bills adjudicated. Hopefully, many people here will employ you to have their future websites created. Your abilities just did not fit the image of what TightLip Entertainment was seeking for its MMC refit. Thank you.

I'm guessing I don't even need to publicly respond to this horseshit.

Rick, please hurry up and file that lawsuit. Just please make sure to bring your checkbook to the courtroom.

[Gail Simone]

Question: Is he saying here that he will sue the people he owes money to, so he can get money from 'them'?

Hard to say, the guy might be one of the worst writers I've ever seen. Even his threats are unintelligible.


Gail

[TCJohnson]

Apparently it's about the glory and wonder of propaganda. Sort of GOEBBELS FOR DUMMIES.

Missed that the first time. Ok, that made me laugh out loud.

[Gail Simone]

Says Slim Goodbody.

"Reek" Olney.

Gail

[Sarah Beach]

Quote:
Perhaps the most significant contribution of heroes into the popular literature of the 20th century was made by the form of graphic narrative known as comics.

That's not even a real sentence.

Now, ED. Don't condemn him for the wrong things. That could indeed be diagramed as a real sentence. It's just the purplest of purple prose. Because it's been bruised so much. :D Well, admittedly, the vocabulary selection is, at best, awkward.

But that's one of his "better" "sentences".

[Gail Simone]

I'm guessing I don't even need to publicly respond to this horseshit.

Rick, please hurry up and file that lawsuit. Just please make sure to bring your checkbook to the courtroom.

He can't, he made his lawyer sign an NDA.

Gail

[JeffreyWKramer]

And I just want to note that I was trying to be nice to him at first.

Like I always tell my clients, if you pet a scorpion, don't be surprised when you get stung.

[Matt Algren]

Missed that the first time. Ok, that made me laugh out loud.I dunno, I'm still stuck on the "growing months".

[Cam63]

Man, so this is what Marines do...when the going gets tough blame everybody else and then cower behind the nearest lawyer.

I still think you are mentally disturbed and have my pity for that, but on top of that you are an evil bastard.

He may've done the training and worn the uniform, but he's no marine.

[Wil Radcliffe]

There's a cryptid down in Florida called The Skunk Ape. I didn't know their migration patterns included upstate New York.

[EdContradictory]

See, here's the thing. You actually think that you can sue people for calling you "pathetic" on a website and make a ton of money off of it. Each post by Mr. Waid translates to $$$$ in your head.

But you can't. Now, mind you I'm no lawyer, mind you, but...

One, you kept coming back. If you want to prove that you were injured by any of this, you needed to stop posting here a long time ago. That you kept coming back negates all of that. On some level, as others have opined, you enjoy this.

Second, I think the people you're going to sue can make a pretty convincing argument that you were acting pathetic. It would certainly be fun to try.

Third, you have no damages. You have no product. You've never printed a comic, you haven't held a convention in years. Nothing said here disrupted any sales. Because there are no sales.

Fourth, you did nothing to mitigate any pretend damages you think you're due. You can't threaten people so they say more so you can sue them for more damages. That's not how it works.

See you tomorrow!
I forgot the most important thing.

Fifth, due to your rather flamboyant public persona and self-proclaimed title of Editor-In-Chief, you are a public figure within the comic industry. As such, you have the burden of proving that anyone in this thread you choose to sue willfully ignored the truth in commenting on you. And, as there is plenty of evidence in this thread that you have not paid people, you don't have a shot of proving that.

Even if you won, the people in this thread would only have to publically post a retraction or something.

No big payday. Sorry.

[Mike Bullock]

Now might be a good time to revive the concept of a debtor's prison. And cell him up with Bubba...

[Wil Radcliffe]

Now might be a good time to revive the concept of a debtor's prison. And cell him up with Bubba...

That's cruel and unusual punishment for Bubba, ain't it?

[EdContradictory]

Question: Is he saying here that he will sue the people he owes money to, so he can get money from 'them'?

Yes. I believe he plans to sue them and anyone who agreed with them in this thread for defamation or something.

[Scott Shaw!]

Gail, rest assured that Rick Olney's meltdown is on its way. His pattern, so far, is IDENTICAL to those he's displayed on other message boards. But first, our stench-emitting non-publisher requires that we hit a minimum of 100 board-pages of discourse before he'll cut loose with the inevitable fireworks. It's like Rick Olney is hosting some sort of Bizarro World "March Of Nonexistent Dimes" telethon, only he's makes Jerry Lewis look like Shari Lewis by comparison.

Then he'll apologize.

Then he'll start getting cocky again.

Then he'll begin to threaten to sue people again.

Then he'll get personally abusive again.

Then he'll proclaim that "you've heard from me for the last time" again.

Then he'll chime back in with a "I'm back! Did anyone miss me?" again.

Then he'll start threatening people again.

Et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad infinitum, ad nauseum, ad nauseum.

I've been a witness to his grandstanding horseshit so many times before (Comicon.com, the Comics Journal boards, etc.), this thread is like a rerun. Except, of course, that this time a number of people are waiting for the $17,000.00 that will never come, not even in currency from Earth-Olney.

Rick, would you please do everyone a favor and cut to the chase, er, meltdown? I'm sure that Jonah Weiland would appreciate being spared the unnecessary bandwidth on CBR.

Y'know, you really don't need a lawyer as much as you need a full-service proctologist. I hear they give discounts to registered idiots like you.

Aloha,

Scott!

P.S.: Regarding Rick Olney's occupation -- and this embraces the blackest sense of humor possible -- he's supposedly a "check writer" for an insurance company. Ho ho. -- SS!

P.P.S.: And speaking of black humor...Hey, Rick, if you're SOOOOO starving for public attention, take a lesson out of poor ol' George (PENTHOUSE COMIX) Caragonne's playbook. Now THAT guy really knew how to get everyone's attention! Try it! You're guaranteed of making every funnybook news site on the Internet. But be warned; it only works ONCE. >Ker-SPLAT!< -- SS!

P.P.P.S.: I wonder if Classic Media -- the current owners of the Harvey Comics characters like Casper, Richie Rich and Spooky The Tuff Little Ghost -- ever signed off on the title TALES OF THE SPOOKY? Maybe, if he ever finds a new crop of suckers to contribute, Rick could change it to TALES OF THE SMELLY, starring himself as "horror-host". (You know, he did travel back in time to give Bill Gaines the idea for the Crypt-Keeper!) -- SS!

[MacQuarrie]

Ms. Beach:

I am merely behaving as anyone in my position would. Far as Mark Waid, if you or any other person professing to know the intricacies of legal matters when a lawsuit is bankrolled by a third party and the motive behind it ... be my guest in expounding. Far as my tact -- nobody here has deserved much, if any, consideration.
No, you're behaving as any irrational bullshit artist in your position would. A mature individual or competent businessman would shut the hell up.

[the4thpip]

Let's start here...this is, I swear, ACTUAL COPY from Rick promoting his vanity line of crap.

""In a world where mankind has placed self greed and material worth over morality and justice -- The entertaining values of TightLip exist to point and guide your imagination to reality." "

He honestly seems to think this is an intelligible sentence. I've seen some bad copy, but HOLY CRAP, that's hideous.


"We're a small, yet multi-faceted entertainment company, based in upstate New York that is dedicated to bringing the world of comic-book entertainment to the world beyond the present day normal. "

hahahahahaha! I mean just...OH MY GOD. hahahahahahaha!

I sure hope he is dedicated to bringing the world of comic book entertainment to the world beyond the present day normal! :)

And there's pages like this. Smartest thing he could have done was hire Ronee, but then not using her to fix this tripe is really bizarre.

Gail

Girlfriend, you are making those up!

[AIPman1]

Yes, my card that night was rejected -- it actually topped out after paying for other transportation costs and in covering Ian Shires breakfast bill for his brood that he dragged along. Geez... a $161.00 dollars breakfast on Saturday morning!
I am loath to reply to anything directly to Mr. Olney. My "brood" consisted of my wife, our 2 kids, a friend of our older daughter, and my mother. We paid for EVERYTHING on our own, up front, and were handed $100 in cash AFTER the show (which did not cover the travel expenses agreed upon - not that I want to revisit ANYTHING to do with the experience or to go after anything from Rick)...I have NOTHING to do with Rick's credit card rejection. I should likely not be dignifying his lie with a retort. Leave me out of this - I'm only here to make sure my name is not used in conjunction with anything you are doing.

[Gail Simone]

Gail, rest assured that Rick Olney's meltdown is on its way. His pattern, so far, is IDENTICAL to those he's displayed on other message boards. But first, our stench-emitting non-publisher requires that we hit a minimum of 100 board-pages of discourse before he'll cut loose with the inevitable fireworks.

Then he'll apologize.

Then he'll start getting cocky again.

Then he'll begin to threaten to sue people again.

Then he'll get personally abusive again.

Then he'll start threatening people again.

Et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad infinitum, ad nauseum, ad nauseum.

I've been a witness to his grandstanding horseshit so many times before (Comicon.com, the Comics Journal boards, etc.), this thread is like a rerun. Except, of course, that this time a number of people are waiting for the $17,000.00 that will never come, not even in currency from Earth-Olney.

Rick, would you please do everyone a favor and cut to the chase, er, meltdown? I'm sure that Jonah Weiland would appreciate being spared the unnecessary bandwidth.

Aloha,

Scott!

P.S.: Regarding Rick Olney's occupation -- and this embraces the blackest sense of humor possible -- he's supposedly a "check writer" for an insurance company. Ho ho. -- SS!

P.P.S.: And speaking of black humor...Hey, Rick, if you're SOOOOO starving for public attention, take a lesson out of poor ol' George (PENTHOUSE COMIX) Caragonne's playbook. Now THAT guy really knew how to get everyone's attention! Try it! You're guaranteed of making every funnybook news site on the Internet. But be warned; it only works ONCE. >Ker-SPLAT!< -- SS!

P.P.P.S.: I wonder if Classic Media -- the current owners of the Harvey Comics characters like Casper, Richie Rich and Spooky The Tuff Little Ghost -- ever signed off on the title TALES OF THE SPOOKY? Maybe, if he ever finds a new crop of suckers to contribute, Rick could change it to TALES OF THE SMELLY. -- SS!



Yeah, Harvey for the Spooky is a lawsuit lock, but also, as Chuck Dixon pointed out, the Monster Squad comic is way, WAY too obviously close to the Monster Squad film.

Not an original idea in the bunch. But some of the creators he hired could obviously have come up with some good work, I'm sure.

Gail

[OMAR]

You people are wasting your time by continuing to go back and forth with this guy as though you're going to get through to him and get paid. This is not Marc Alessi the millionaire; if his website is accurate about his location, this guy operates out of the shittiest in a pretty shitty string of houses on Main Street in Mohawk, NY. By all means spread your warnings about him to other pros, if you feel he's cheated you, but there's no money there or he'd be living... well, off Main Street, at least. He must hear the traffic going by all night long, his neighbors houses are so close you could jump from one roof to another... I suppose to some of you living in cities that doesn't sound so back but around here where a 2 bdrm house with a decent yard might only run you 60k, it'd be considered a poor neighborhood. I'm not trying to make Rick feel bad, I'm being pragmatic.

[TCJohnson]

Gail, rest assured that Rick Olney's meltdown is on its way. His pattern, so far, is IDENTICAL to those he's displayed on other message boards. But first, our stench-emitting non-publisher requires that we hit a minimum of 100 board-pages of discourse before he'll cut loose with the inevitable fireworks.

Then he'll apologize.

Then he'll start getting cocky again.

Then he'll begin to threaten to sue people again.

Then he'll get personally abusive again.

Then he'll start threatening people again.

Et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad infinitum, ad nauseum, ad nauseum.

I've been a witness to his grandstanding horseshit so many times before (Comicon.com, the Comics Journal boards, etc.), this thread is like a rerun. Except, of course, that this time a number of people are waiting for the $17,000.00 that will never come, not even in currency from Earth-Olney.

Rick, would you please do everyone a favor and cut to the chase, !

Oh, no. I want to see this guy in court. If his suits are fake, I really hope the people who he owes money too countersues....I want to see him in court.

Man, I wish I was talented enough for him to sue me.

[Gail Simone]

I am loath to reply to anything directly to Mr. Olney. My "brood" consisted of my wife, our 2 kids, a friend of our older daughter, and my mother. We paid for EVERYTHING on our own, up front, and were handed $100 in cash AFTER the show (which did not cover the travel expenses agreed upon - not that I want to revisit ANYTHING to do with the experience or to go after anything from Rick)...I have NOTHING to do with Rick's credit card rejection. I should likely not be dignifying his lie with a retort. Leave me out of this - I'm only here to make sure my name is not used in conjunction with anything you are doing.

Don't worry, Ian. No one believes anything Rick says.


Gail

[EdContradictory]

You people are wasting your time, and are starting to look pretty ridiculous, by continuing to go back and forth with this guy as though you're going to get through to him and get paid.
I'm not sure anyone's expecting that.

I think at this point we're just entertaining ourselves.

[Gail Simone]

You people are wasting your time by continuing to go back and forth with this guy as though you're going to get through to him and get paid. This is not Marc Alessi the millionaire; if his website is accurate about his location, this guy operates out of the shittiest in a pretty shitty string of houses on Main Street in Mohawk, NY. By all means spread your warnings about him to other pros, if you feel he's cheated you, but there's no money there or he'd be living... well, off Main Street, at least. He must hear the traffic going by all night long, his neighbors houses are so close you could jump from one roof to another... I suppose to some of you living in cities that doesn't sound so back but around here where a 2 bdrm house with a decent yard might only run you 60k, it'd be considered a poor neighborhood. I'm not trying to make Rick feel bad, I'm being pragmatic.


Funny, I always figured you lived in a secret lair in an abandoned volcano, Omar, honestly. :)

And we're not posting this for Reeky Rick's sake. We're sharing our experiences with each new person he's cheated, and in some cases, having a laugh. Rick showing up here is at best a side product.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

I'm not sure anyone's expecting that.

I think at this point we're just entertaining ourselves.

Of course, OMAR would never keep a thread going just for amusement's sake... :P

Kidding, Omar.

Gail

[OMAR]

I'm not sure anyone's expecting that.

I think at this point we're just entertaining ourselves.

You caught me before I went back and took out the part about "ridiculous" - I felt bad because like I said earlier it'd drive me nuts to have to squabble over money I was due, so I understand why people don't want to just drop it. But as Rick continues to post, it's starting to look more and more like a bunch of fairly intelligent people ganging up on someone who is not quite all there. He's nutty and poor; what more can you take from him?

[Cam63]

But for now, I really must leave this message thread and website. Thank you.

See you in a few hours, *Reeky... if you can last that long.


*Thanks for the nick, Gail. I was gunna with Stain master, but it takes too long to type.

[Gail Simone]

You caught me before I went back and took out the part about "ridiculous" - I felt bad because like I said earlier it'd drive me nuts to have to squabble over money I was due, so I understand why people don't want to just drop it. But as Rick continues to post, it's starting to look more and more like a bunch of fairly intelligent people ganging up on someone who is not quite all there. He's nutty and poor; what more can you take from him?

Well, the "nutty" and "poor" guy is regularly threatening to sue us all, for one thing.

As I've said, I already told him to keep the money he still owes me. But I do want him to pay the others, and at the very least, this will be a reminder that he still owes all those people he lied to.

Gail

[khuxford]

Says Slim Goodbody.

Tempted to segue this into a comment about his sadly-aspiring-to-be-a-songstress daughter...who he then commissioned to have drawn as a comic book character that is 10 times further away from looking like her than Alex Ross is from looking like Batman. :eek:

But...as much as that seems like I actually did go there...I can't really...because it isn't his daughter's fault that daddy is insane...but it is ridiculous that he tries to throw stones at people for something that not only he BUT HIS DAUGHTER have problems with (if even allowing for his insinuation to be correct).

[Ian Boothby]

Whatever you think best... I'll excuse myself now. Have a good day!


And then the junkie said, "well that's it for me, I'm quitting heroin now." And we didn't see him again for a good five minutes.

Can I get sued too? You've threatened my wife and friends. It seems to be what all the cool kids are doing. Can I be an orgasmic plebe or whatever you've calling people now?

Man, for "Rick" the title of this forum is going to seem very very appropriate.

[EdContradictory]

He's nutty and poor; what more can you take from him?
His cashews. And his macadamia nuts.

I don't think a desperate need for attention makes one nutty.

I think he's just conniving and unscrupulous.

[Scott Shaw!]

He's nutty and poor; what more can you take from him?

Well, we could always set fire to a paper sack full of Rick Olney, leave it on his doorstep and run.

Aloha,

Scott!

[Gail Simone]

And then the junkie said, "well that's it for me, I'm quitting heroin now." And we didn't see him again for a good five minutes.

Can I get sued too? You've threatened my wife and friends. It seems to be what all the cool kids are doing. Can I be an orgasmic plebe or whatever you've calling people now?

Man, for "Rick" the title of this forum is going to seem very very appropriate.

It's hard to be insulted when he can't write in English.

YOU...YOU...YOU BIG OSTENTATIOUS MORIBUND!


Anyway, I'll gladly sue you and Pia both, just because I like to keep in contact.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Well, we could always set fire to a paper sack full of Rick Olney, leave it on his doorstep and run.

Aloha,

Scott!

Ladies and gentlemen, that's what a good insult looks like.

Gail

[MacQuarrie]

I'm just still here waiting to hear what the hell a "plebe" is supposed to be.

Oh, while I'm at it, am I being named as a party in your legal actions, Dick? I seem to recall you making some sort of veiled threat to that effect, but my attorney hasn't heard from you yet. As fun as it is to stand on the sidelines and watch you self-destruct, it would be really fun to be a participant.

I suppose I should mention that I once took on the Tournament of Roses and the City of Pasadena without a lawyer and beat them. If I can make them blink, I think I can handle you.

[OMAR]

Well, the "nutty" and "poor" guy is regularly threatening to sue us all, for one thing.

As I've said, I already told him to keep the money he still owes me. But I do want him to pay the others, and at the very least, this will be a reminder that he still owes all those people he lied to.

Gail

Maybe they can get a share of the proceeds from the sale of the dilapidated van squeezed into the front yard of his house with an hand-written sign tucked in one window on which someone has scrawled a $1500 sale price!

I just keep coming back to my original reason for posting in this thread - I can't get over the notion that someone with such limited resources and skills was ever able to get into a position where he was able to affect so many people's incomes (for better or worse). I hope some of the people in this thread will at least take away a sense that they should vet their future employers/partners a little more closely than they have.

[Pia Guerra]

I welcome a lawsuit if only for the entertainment value it promises.

And when that donation fund is set up let me know because I'm sooo contributing.

[Gail Simone]

Maybe they can get a share of the proceeds from the sale of the dilapidated van squeezed into the front yard of his house with an hand-written sign tucked in one window on which someone has scrawled a $1500 sale price!

I just keep coming back to my original reason for posting in this thread - I can't get over the notion that someone with such limited resources and skills was ever able to get into a position where he was able to affect so many people's incomes (for better or worse). I hope some of the people in this thread will at least take away a sense that they should vet their future employers/partners a little more closely than they have.

Don't know if you're serious about the van thing but it's funny either way.

And you're right about vetting, however, people do fly under the radar for surprisingly long periods of time, unless outted in public, which, thankfully, Chuck Dixon did with Rick.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

I welcome a lawsuit if only for the entertainment value it promises.

And when that donation fund is set up let me know because I'm sooo contributing.

"She said...she...uh...she...that is...SHE WAS MEAN TO ME WHEN I CHEATED EVERYONE!"

Gail

[OMAR]

The van is there.

There's no money there - it's just not happening.

[Cam63]

*Looks at watch*

Where's Reeky ? He shoulda replied by now.

Hmm... Probably hosing out his bunker.