Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[TomStillwell]

QUIT BEING MEAN TO DONKEYS.

Gail

Donkeys totally deserve it.

They keyed my car.

With my own car keys.

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Donkeys totally deserve it.

They keyed my car.

With my own car keys.

What a bunch of asses.

[Stressfactor]

The BEST insult I ever heard given was...

"He was the south end of a north bound jackass."

[Cam63]

The best one I heard when some girl left her dick of a husband to take up with someone considerably worse.

" She's gone from solid shit to diarrhoea. "

[singoalla]

Can't you just picture his wife having a frenzied crying fit and repeatedly slapping him in the back of the head?

"I told you! I told you to leave it alone!! You just had to piss off the internet people, didn't you?!!! It wasn't good enough to scam everyone you've ever come in contact with, huh?! You had to piss off the internet people!! Now we're getting sued and investigated for fraud!! YOU JUST HAD TO PISS OFF THE INTERNET PEOPLE!!!"

I haven't caught up with the entire thread yet... but this just reminds me so much of that West Wing episode where Toby (?) spends a day or two in futile battle against the internet people. lol

"You posted a reply?! Are you insane?!"

[Kurt Busiek]

I haven't caught up with the entire thread yet... but this just reminds me so much of that West Wing episode where Toby (?) spends a day or two in futile battle against the internet people. lol

"You posted a reply?! Are you insane?!"

It was Josh. Versus the denizens of lemon-lyman.com

Fun stuff.

kdb

[Sarah Beach]

It was Josh. Versus the denizens of lemon-lyman.com

Fun stuff.

kdb

Especially since it reflected the real-life resentment Sorkin had against the critiques of the snarksters of televisionwithoutpity.com. Heh.




Go TWoP!

[Linkara]

It was Josh. Versus the denizens of lemon-lyman.com

Fun stuff.

kdb

"The people on these message boards? They're the cast of One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest and that tyrannical person you have a problem with? She's Nurse Ratchet, you get me!?"

Love that one. ^_^

[Blake Petit]

Hey, wait a minute, I was in the cast of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest once...

[TomStillwell]

Hey, wait a minute, I was in the cast of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest once...

I saw OFOTCN at the Steppenwolf here in Chicago with Gary Cinese in the McMurphy roll. Simply awesome.

[OzBat!]

I WANT MY OLNEY UPDATES complete with slide shows and interactive video interface AND I WANT 'EM NOWWWWW!

[Linkara]

*Dramatic musical chord!*

Is this the end for Olney?!

[Matt Doc Martin]

I WANT MY OLNEY UPDATES complete with slide shows and interactive video interface AND I WANT 'EM NOWWWWW!

I am on way to MegaCon.

Going Whale Hunting.

[THEDOC]

I am on way to MegaCon.

Going Whale Hunting.

Keep us posted on what is happening.

[Blake Petit]

So in a couple of hours, I'm gonna be hopping a jet plane for the tropical wonderland of Pittsburgh. The hotel supposedly has wireless access, so I should be able to get online, but I won't be online as often. (I'll have other things to do. ;) )

So don't burn the place down while I'm gone, and I'll be back full-time next weekend! Let me know if anything happens!

[Gail Simone]

I am on way to MegaCon.

Going Whale Hunting.

Matt, I know I don't need to say this, but I'm SAYING IT ANYWAY!

Really, be careful, and if you see him, avoid a physical confrontation at all costs, promise me. First, that's not what this whole thing is about, and second, I don't want to see you in jail. As I said to Mac, YOU are important. RICK is not.

Just avoid him. He'll get his in court.

I really doubt he'll show, anyway.

Gail

[Reverend Smooth]

Seconded. Flay him with words and hold him at bay with a chair or something if he loses his cool and tries to eat your face.

(Have a nice trip, BP!)

[Cam63]

I am on way to MegaCon.

Going Whale Hunting.

*Tosses Matt a harpoon*

Ow....

Try catching it in your hand next time, Martin !

[Comcman]

So in a couple of hours, I'm gonna be hopping a jet plane for the tropical wonderland of Pittsburgh. The hotel supposedly has wireless access, so I should be able to get online, but I won't be online as often. (I'll have other things to do. ;) )

So don't burn the place down while I'm gone, and I'll be back full-time next weekend! Let me know if anything happens!

Hey, if you have any free time, stop by the store. Give me a call and I can give you directions. 724-941-5445

- Colin

[AaronJ]

Especially since it reflected the real-life resentment Sorkin had against the critiques of the snarksters of televisionwithoutpity.com. Heh.




Go TWoP!

Great WW episode.

But it didn't take long for me to grow tired of TWoP, honestly. It just struck me as pointless. I sort of wondered why so many people were watching shows that they obviously hated and could barely stand sitting through.

Maybe that was just me, though.

[singoalla]

It was Josh. Versus the denizens of lemon-lyman.com

Fun stuff.

kdb

Yes, Josh is the one! And there I sat thinking: No! Don't reply! They have google! ~waves to RO :p ~


(since someone was handing out job offers - does anyone need someone who can draw :D )

[Yonar]

Yes, Josh is the one! And there I sat thinking: No! Don't reply! They have google! ~waves to RO :p ~


(since someone was handing out job offers - does anyone need someone who can draw :D )

That depends on if you want /paid/ ;)

[Flamebird]

Yes, Josh is the one! And there I sat thinking: No! Don't reply! They have google! ~waves to RO :p ~


(since someone was handing out job offers - does anyone need someone who can draw :D )

Yeah, could you draw me a bath?

[Matt Doc Martin]

Matt, I know I don't need to say this, but I'm SAYING IT ANYWAY!

Really, be careful, and if you see him, avoid a physical confrontation at all costs, promise me. First, that's not what this whole thing is about, and second, I don't want to see you in jail. As I said to Mac, YOU are important. RICK is not.

Just avoid him. He'll get his in court.

I really doubt he'll show, anyway.

Gail


As I suspected, no sign of the rotund fetid one. Papergirl and I searched high and low but he was not to be found. We directed a few indy (and a few NON indy ones) creators to CBR in general and to avoid Rick Olney in particular.

Con survived us, though we both left with many edged weapons. Myself with throwing sharp and pointies, Papergirl with a two handed sword and a dagger for close up work.

Pics to come in their own thread soon with details, though that may not happen until Monday.

Thank you all for your advice and words of wisdom. Maybe I will get to see Rick in COURT real soon. Heh, heh, heh....

(Yours is coming, peanut.)

[Reverend Smooth]

Yeah, could you draw me a bath?
http://hollowcomic.com/birdbath.png
^^

[Flamebird]

http://hollowcomic.com/birdbath.png
^^

:SIGH: Did I say BIRD bath???

artists these days, always thinking for themselves, sheesh.

Fine,send me a signed, notarized NDA and I'll tell ya where to pick up your invoice to be submitted to my non-existant lawyer for non-payment.

Or something like that.......

[Reverend Smooth]

:SIGH: Did I say BIRD bath???

artists these days, always thinking for themselves, sheesh.

Fine,send me a signed, notarized NDA and I'll tell ya where to pick up your invoice to be submitted to my non-existant lawyer for non-payment.

Or something like that.......
Gosh. <3 I'm gonna be rich in no time!

[Samuel Catalino]

I can report that it was very busy, and could find neither Matt or Papergirl. I was easy to spot, as I was wearing my Pittsburgh Steeler jersey with my last name on the back of the jersey.

Oh well.

[Matt Doc Martin]

I can report that it was very busy, and could find neither Matt or Papergirl. I was easy to spot, as I was wearing my Pittsburgh Steeler jersey with my last name on the back of the jersey.

Oh well.

As I was also easy to find with my pre-mentioned Patriots jersey...and the fact I called you twice with the number you had PM'ed me.

C'est la vie.

[Cam63]

La Vie.
-----

[Flamebird]

That's just the way it goes....











fraggin song's gonna be stuck in my head all night now :eek:

[singoalla]

That depends on if you want /paid/ ;)

Do I need to sign an NDA?

[singoalla]

Yeah, could you draw me a bath?

Heck, if you pay me enough I'll even scrub. :D

[Samuel Catalino]

As I was also easy to find with my pre-mentioned Patriots jersey...and the fact I called you twice with the number you had PM'ed me.

C'est la vie.


I was headed toward Orlando as I said I was on Friday, so if you called at that number (which is not a cell, I hate cell phones), then it is very likely no one was there.

As I mentioned earlier, I was pretty easy to find, with my Steelers Jersey with my last name on the back.

Qu'elle dommage.

[Papergirl]

Bah. If I'd known to look for your jersy, I would have. But, then again, I'm kinda short, so I may have missed it anyway. Sorry we missed you, though! :(

~Bev

[Samuel Catalino]

Bah. If I'd known to look for your jersy, I would have. But, then again, I'm kinda short, so I may have missed it anyway. Sorry we missed you, though! :(

~Bev

I had a nice long conversation with Matt though. Unfortunately, Matt and I miscommunicated, and I do regret not getting to meet Matt and you.

Maybe in the near future!

Best,

Samuel

[Papergirl]

I had a nice long conversation with Matt though. Unfortunately, Matt and I miscommunicated, and I do regret not getting to meet Matt and you.

Maybe in the near future!

Best,

Samuel

No worries! I'll be up there again, and we can all meet up somewhere. :)

~Bev

[Magneto_X]

MegaCon was great!

To bad I wasn't able to meet you guys there.

Maybe next time we can arrange a meet-up or something?

[Papergirl]

MegaCon was great!

To bad I wasn't able to meet you guys there.

Maybe next time we can arrange a meet-up or something?
Do you live in the area? If so, perhaps next time I'm up that way we can all get together. :)

If not, there is always next year, and we'll definitely coordinate things better!

~Bev

[Magneto_X]

PG:

I'm in Boca.

Right now I'm only wanting to see cons in Florida (am I glad they have a few!).

Flying and/or driving all over America is to much of a headache (and I'm broke enough as it is! :D ) to see other cons----but I did go to APE in 2000.

[Papergirl]

I'm in Port St. Lucie, not too far north of you. :)

~Bev

[Magneto_X]

Disregard post.

[Papergirl]

Hee! Yep! I even went to Boca once to meet up with fly on the wall, an old poster here. I miss him tons and wish he'd post more again. :)

~Bev

[Magneto_X]

Fly lives *here*?!?

Didn't know that.

I do miss his posting at CBR, too.

[Papergirl]

Fly lives *here*?!?

Didn't know that.

I do miss his posting at CBR, too.

Nah, He lives in Maryland, last I knew. He was down visiting his folks and other family. I went down and spent the day with him, his sister and his folks. had a blast, too! :D

~Bev

[Flamebird]

Heck, if you pay me enough I'll even scrub. :D

The Tub, or Me ? :o

[Yonar]

Do I need to sign an NDA?

Well, No. But I have no money, so while I could use some art for some things I'm doing, I don't actually have any cash to pay anyone, so I can't imagine it would do you any good to do art for me. ;)

[Samuel Catalino]

No worries! I'll be up there again, and we can all meet up somewhere. :)

~Bev


I will look forward to it.

Best,

Samuel

[Samuel Catalino]

MegaCon was great!

To bad I wasn't able to meet you guys there.

Maybe next time we can arrange a meet-up or something?

That would be great.

Best,

Samuel

[singoalla]

The Tub, or Me ? :o

who has the most cash? ;)

[singoalla]

Well, No. But I have no money, so while I could use some art for some things I'm doing, I don't actually have any cash to pay anyone, so I can't imagine it would do you any good to do art for me. ;)

I also accept chocolate.

~will make art for sweets. Heh.

[CoffeeStained]

I only came back to post on the 666th page, because it's so rare.

Donkeys totally deserve it.

They keyed my car.

With my own car keys.What a beautiful haiku.
I approve of this statement!!

NITPICKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!!Umm, it should be 'Nitpickers of the world, unite!', with a comma. Just sayin'.

[THEDOC]

Anyone here going to WizardWorld-Chicago this summer?

[Matt Doc Martin]

I only came back to post on the 666th page, because it's so rare.

Umm, it should be 'Nitpickers of the world, unite!', with a comma. Just sayin'.

It was 333 for me.


And beautiful

[TomStillwell]

Anyone here going to WizardWorld-Chicago this summer?

I will definately be there in Artists Alley along with my buddy Brad Bowers, the artist from Honor Brigade.

[Samuel Catalino]

Anyone here going to WizardWorld-Chicago this summer?

Not I. I look at Wizard the same way I do R. O.

[CutterMike]

I only came back to post on the 666th page, because it's so rare.

What a beautiful haiku.
Umm, it should be 'Nitpickers of the world, unite!', with a comma. Just sayin'.

Doesn't that really depend on whether it's intended as a command or as a simple declarative? (And before anyone posits that the fact that the original was posted in all caps with two exclamation points gives clear intent of its commanding nature, I merely wish to suggest that the original poster may simply have been shocked - SHOCKED, I tell you - to discover that nitpickers of the world DO, in fact, unite.)

Theme music for today:

(Sung to the "Pink Panther" theme)

Pedant
Pedant
PedantPedantPedant
PedantPeda-a-a-a-nt
I'm a pedant!"

[JTPencils]

Not I. I look at Wizard the same way I do R. O.

But at least Wizard has produced product. RO can't make that claim.

[KevinTBrown]

Anyone here going to WizardWorld-Chicago this summer?

Hell yeah. I think it's a law here that if you live in the Chicago and collect comics, you must attend.....

[TomStillwell]

Hell yeah. I think it's a law here that if you live in the Chicago and collect comics, you must attend.....

I just made my hotel reservations. Believe it or not, three of the four hotels attached to the convention center are already booked solid.

[Stressfactor]

In Chicago a friend and I always stay at the Marriott Suites down the street. It's walking distance and really reasonable for suites. If you've got several going it works out great because the rooms have a bedroom with either 1 king or 2 double size beds and then there is a loveseat in the living room area that is a hide-a-bed. Also, there is a sink and changing area that can be shut off from either the bathroom or the bedroom so different people can have privacy while changing.

I highly recommend them.

[TomStillwell]

In Chicago a friend and I always stay at the Marriott Suites down the street. It's walking distance and really reasonable for suites. If you've got several going it works out great because the rooms have a bedroom with either 1 king or 2 double size beds and then there is a loveseat in the living room area that is a hide-a-bed. Also, there is a sink and changing area that can be shut off from either the bathroom or the bedroom so different people can have privacy while changing.

I highly recommend them.

I usually just stay at my house. Hehe.

But for socializing and networking, I've decided it was required I stay at Ground Zero this year.

[Stressfactor]

Lucky that you have the "stay at home option". The funniest thing I ever saw was my second year at WW Chicago -- a whole bunch of Storm Troopers and Star Wars: A New Hope Princess Leia (yes, the white dress and the double bun hairdo) getting off at the station down the street from the convention center.

Hotel is a requirement for my posse I'm afraid -- We come from three different cities and two states (Kansas City, St. Louis and Detroit).

Still -- Tom, when you know, let me know what booth you're at at Chicago and I'll drop by... Maybe I can do a little write-up on Honor Brigade for Broken Frontier.

[singoalla]

I wish I was still in the US.... :(

[TomStillwell]

Lucky that you have the "stay at home option". The funniest thing I ever saw was my second year at WW Chicago -- a whole bunch of Storm Troopers and Star Wars: A New Hope Princess Leia (yes, the white dress and the double bun hairdo) getting off at the station down the street from the convention center.

Hotel is a requirement for my posse I'm afraid -- We come from three different cities and two states (Kansas City, St. Louis and Detroit).

Still -- Tom, when you know, let me know what booth you're at at Chicago and I'll drop by... Maybe I can do a little write-up on Honor Brigade for Broken Frontier.

My ultimate goal is to own a huge house near the convention center and make that party central for industry people.

Offer free booze and deep dish pizza...they will come.

Last year I tried to entertain house guests attending the con while networking as best I could. It ran me ragged. Never again.

[SteveForbes]

My ultimate goal is to own a huge house near the convention center and make that party central for industry people.

Offer free booze and deep dish pizza...they will come.

Last year I tried to entertain house guests attending the con while networking as best I could. It ran me ragged. Never again.

Tom, do it again, but for industry people. Have people come to you, and always have your card ready. Don't forget the deep dish pizza and free booze. (I'd be there, let me tell ya!)

-(can't get good pizza in Tucson) llama

[TomStillwell]

Tom, do it again, but for industry people. Have people come to you, and always have your card ready. Don't forget the deep dish pizza and free booze. (I'd be there, let me tell ya!)

-(can't get good pizza in Tucson) llama

The never again part was for entertaining guests. From now on they are on their own. I have work to do.

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Does that mean I can't bring any booze to your party? :(

JP

[Reverend Smooth]

The never again part was for entertaining guests. From now on they are on their own. I have work to do.
Trying to pick up women whilst sporting a pair of superman underoos counts as work? >.>

[SteveForbes]

Trying to pick up women whilst sporting a pair of superman underoos counts as work? >.>

You'll never get women THAT way, Tom!

It's Iron Man underoos! If you're going to be a playboy, BE the playboy!

-(wants underoos for nostalgia's sake) llama

[TomStillwell]

Trying to pick up women whilst sporting a pair of superman underoos counts as work? >.>

Nuh-uh. I was lucky enough to find me a wife. I'm not screwing that up.

And those are Batman underoos!

[TomStillwell]

You'll never get women THAT way, Tom!

It's Iron Man underoos! If you're going to be a playboy, BE the playboy!

-(wants underoos for nostalgia's sake) llama

I'll have been married ten years in June. It's too late for me! Too late!

[Reverend Smooth]

And those are Batman underoos!There's probably some point that could be made about why people thought it was cool for anyone to run around with a superhero's head silkscreened over their crotch. D:

[JamesRitcheyIII]

I want Stilt-Man Underoos.

[TomStillwell]

I want Stilt-Man Underoos.

Geesh, talking about projecting...

[TomStillwell]

There's probably some point that could be made about why people thought it was cool for anyone to run around with a superhero's head silkscreened over their crotch. D:

My wife calls it her Caped Crusader...

...or was that Dark Knight Defective?:confused:

[SteveForbes]

There's probably some point that could be made about why people thought it was cool for anyone to run around with a superhero's head silkscreened over their crotch. D:

It wasn't their heads.

Underoos were streamlined hero costumes: t-shirt & underwear. Iron Man (which I had) were red undies with a gold waistband, and the shirt was red with the uni-beam in the middle.

-(I was Tony Stark-naked under my 'roos) llama

[SteveForbes]

My wife calls it her Caped Crusader...

...or was that Dark Knight Defective?:confused:

Now THAT'S comedy!

-(knows what's funny) llama

[Reverend Smooth]

It wasn't their heads.

Underoos were streamlined hero costumes: t-shirt & underwear. Iron Man (which I had) were red undies with a gold waistband, and the shirt was red with the uni-beam in the middle.

-(I was Tony Stark-naked under my 'roos) llama
I'm trying to remember which ones I remember, then, because unless I'm smoking crack or there was some special canadian marketing deal going on, there was this one of spider-man's head over the front of some underwear or other.

[SteveForbes]

I'm trying to remember which ones I remember, then, because unless I'm smoking crack or there was some special canadian marketing deal going on, there was this one of spider-man's head over the front of some underwear or other.

Nah. If they had a face on them, they're not underoos. Not true ones, anyway. (Think of Scooby Doo both pre- & post- Scrappy, and you'll know what I mean.)

iirc, Spidey's had a black spider on them. Maybe a little bit of webs, but not much.

-(knows a bit too much about underoos) llama

[Reverend Smooth]

-(knows a bit too much about underoos) llama
Who woulda thunk that there was a canadian black market underoo knockoff trade. :3

[Sarah Beach]

I'm trying to remember which ones I remember, then, because unless I'm smoking crack or there was some special canadian marketing deal going on, there was this one of spider-man's head over the front of some underwear or other.

Although it's been a while since I saw the film, I think you're remembering the Spidey wear that Cameron Dias wore in the first Charlie's Angels film.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Geesh, talking about projecting...

Well, I though Purple Man Underoos was just going too far, and just all kinds of wrong, on a couple of levels...

[Reverend Smooth]

Although it's been a while since I saw the film, I think you're remembering the Spidey wear that Cameron Dias wore in the first Charlie's Angels film.
Maybe. But the first thing I thought when I saw her in them was 'omg, someone had the same childhood traumatic underwear experience'?

[AIPman1]

wow, Olney's been silent and this thread is DRIFTING...

does anyone have any current news of anything going on with the cases that have been served, how many may soon be, and if Olney's been anywhere online?

[Samuel Catalino]

But at least Wizard has produced product. RO can't make that claim.


Yeah, and they are as principled as R.O. Which is why I will never go to any of their shows.

[SteveForbes]

wow, Olney's been silent and this thread is DRIFTING...

does anyone have any current news of anything going on with the cases that have been served, how many may soon be, and if Olney's been anywhere online?

I couldn't tell you, Ian. I've noticed it too, but figured some drift was good, while we wait.

On another note, I'm going to be entering into the Idol, but when I go to the Dimestore page where the rules/entries are, and it says to send entries to a specific e-mail addy, it's not coming up for me. I get some code, and it doesn't lead anywhere. Could you send me the addy so I can send the submission once the artist's finished with it?

-("idol" hands are the) llama ('s tools.)

[Sarah Beach]

He hasn't logged onto the orcafresh mySpace since February 7th, nor the MightyMiniCon one since some time in January.

Looks like he really got his fingers burned.

Papergirl has said she's observed that he's lurked here since those dates, I suppose we could ask her if she's noticed his IP recently.

As for the legal side -- the wheels of justice grind slowly, but finely. :D

[Paul D. Storrie]

Yeah, and they are as principled as R.O. Which is why I will never go to any of their shows.

To the best of my knowledge, they pay their freelancers and staff.

PDS

[SteveForbes]

To the best of my knowledge, they pay their freelancers and staff.

PDS

Yes, but that's before they fire them. ;)

-llama

[TomStillwell]

Yeah, and they are as principled as R.O. Which is why I will never go to any of their shows.

I dunno. That's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Boycotting Wizard World doesn't help the creators that attend hoping for a good turn out.

[Papergirl]

He hasn't logged onto the orcafresh mySpace since February 7th, nor the MightyMiniCon one since some time in January.

Looks like he really got his fingers burned.

Papergirl has said she's observed that he's lurked here since those dates, I suppose we could ask her if she's noticed his IP recently.

As for the legal side -- the wheels of justice grind slowly, but finely. :D
I haven't noticed him recently. ut then again, I haven't really taken the time to LOOK for him. Knowing Dick, though, he's still lurking and reading everything we write about him.

*waves to peanut*

~Bev

[Inkpot1965]

Well, if Rick is reading this.....


Hey, Rick. I slipped it to Sean that you didn't make a certain payment you agreed to back when I was at working for you. I imagine you'll be getting a note from him soon. Enjoy.

Sorry to be so cryptic, folks, but that's just my way of avoiding the usual "you violated the NDA" routine. I think you get the gist of the situation.

[THEDOC]

Hell yeah. I think it's a law here that if you live in the Chicago and collect comics, you must attend.....

Well then I hope you come to The Jam on March 10th and support your local talent and hey meet the great DOC_ABSURD and MOMMA ABSURD!
Go to The Jam site in my sig!

Sam I understand your feelings but sometimes you have to dance with the devil (not Rick) for the betterment of what you want to accomplish.

[THEDOC]

Lucky that you have the "stay at home option". The funniest thing I ever saw was my second year at WW Chicago -- a whole bunch of Storm Troopers and Star Wars: A New Hope Princess Leia (yes, the white dress and the double bun hairdo) getting off at the station down the street from the convention center.

Hotel is a requirement for my posse I'm afraid -- We come from three different cities and two states (Kansas City, St. Louis and Detroit).

Still -- Tom, when you know, let me know what booth you're at at Chicago and I'll drop by... Maybe I can do a little write-up on Honor Brigade for Broken Frontier.

I'm athinking we should all try and meet and get a group shot for Unscrewed!

[Magneto_X]

Well, if Rick is reading this.....


Hey, Rick. I slipped it to Sean that you didn't make a certain payment you agreed to back when I was at working for you. I imagine you'll be getting a note from him soon. Enjoy.

Sorry to be so cryptic, folks, but that's just my way of avoiding the usual "you violated the NDA" routine. I think you get the gist of the situation.

"If"? Ha!

Rick can't stay away from this thread.

[THEDOC]

Tom, do it again, but for industry people. Have people come to you, and always have your card ready. Don't forget the deep dish pizza and free booze. (I'd be there, let me tell ya!)

-(can't get good pizza in Tucson) llama

Or we can meet at "Knuckles".

[THEDOC]

wow, Olney's been silent and this thread is DRIFTING...

does anyone have any current news of anything going on with the cases that have been served, how many may soon be, and if Olney's been anywhere online?

He hasn't been on his Myspace for quite a while now. Tried to get in there right now and the site times out, will try later. This is our relax and chill time Ian. I am sure Rick will be back soon enough...or not.

[THEDOC]

To the best of my knowledge, they pay their freelancers and staff.

PDS

I think WW is trying to change their image for the better thoughh the table prices could be lower. Hey If Matt Feazell is coming to it then it's worth going.

[Inkpot1965]

"If"? Ha!

Rick can't stay away from this thread.

"If" was just my lead-in. I'm sure he is.

Feeling any chest pains, Rick? [Can't let JT outdo me]

[THEDOC]

I dunno. That's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Boycotting Wizard World doesn't help the creators that attend hoping for a good turn out.

Too true Tom, but still wish they would lower those darn table prices.

[TomStillwell]

Too true Tom, but still wish they would lower those darn table prices.

You and me both. I just shelled out $300 for a eight foot table today.

[THEDOC]

You and me both. I just shelled out $300 for a eight foot table today.

I am trying to get co-op tables with other IF members.

[JTPencils]

"If" was just my lead-in. I'm sure he is.

Feeling any chest pains, Rick? [Can't let JT outdo me]

While there's no competition here... I'm feeling as if my chest pain induction is nothing compared to the colon spasm he's receiving from Matt and others here.

[JTPencils]

You and me both. I just shelled out $300 for a eight foot table today.

300 bucks for a Wizard show table? Uhhhhhhhh... talk about keeping out the indy guys!!!

I'm now convinced that Wizard is an elitist group of wankers who only want to promote the big 2, and damn the vast array of talent that have yet to reach that level.

[neko onna]

and they are no longer 8 ft tables..they are six..I had the great pleasure of finding out at the last WWTX that I had paid $150 for a 3ft table not a four ft...that was a LONG weekend.:rolleyes:

[Danny Donovan]

Well it looks like Rick got his wish, about being a big name in comics, it's just not in the way he was hoping. It seems as of the current LTG Rick's name is going to by synonomous with anyone who fails to pay creators.

I don't think anyone will hear from Rick for a very ,very, very long time. Even if he ever gets himself out of whatever snowdrift is keeping him quiet...

[Reverend Smooth]

It seems as of the current LTG Rick's name is going to by synonomous with anyone who fails to pay creators.
His name is even a verb now. 'Aww, damn, you got Olney'd (Olneyed?) too?'

[MacQuarrie]

Well it looks like Rick got his wish, about being a big name in comics, it's just not in the way he was hoping. It seems as of the current LTG Rick's name is going to by synonomous with anyone who fails to pay creators.

More than that. It's synonymous with anyone who fails to pay and refuses to accept responsibility for it.

Rich was referring to the statement from the company, and used Olney as an example of mealy-mouthed excuse-making and blame-shifting. Which is of course Peanut's strong suit.

[JTPencils]

More than that. It's synonymous with anyone who fails to pay and refuses to accept responsibility for it.

Rich was referring to the statement from the company, and used Olney as an example of mealy-mouthed excuse-making and blame-shifting. Which is of course Peanut's strong suit.

D'ya think peanut will wear his imaginary dress blue's to court to prove that's really a patriotic sorta guy??

BTW... I know that the wheels of justice grind slowly, I can accept that. But is there even a tentative date for the next step?? Something we can all circle on our collective calendars?

[Dreadstar]

BTW... I know that the wheels of justice grind slowly, I can accept that. But is there even a tentative date for the next step?? Something we can all circle on our collective calendars?

I know that instant gratification is the norm in the age of the internet, but real-life court is glacial. And *IF* his attorney has ANY savvy, there will be at least one continuance for discovery.

You may be wondering whether to get the 16 pound turkey or splurge on the 20 pounder by the time you hear anything.

[AIPman1]

I couldn't tell you, Ian. I've noticed it too, but figured some drift was good, while we wait.

On another note, I'm going to be entering into the Idol, but when I go to the Dimestore page where the rules/entries are, and it says to send entries to a specific e-mail addy, it's not coming up for me. I get some code, and it doesn't lead anywhere. Could you send me the addy so I can send the submission once the artist's finished with it?

-("idol" hands are the) llama ('s tools.)

Send to Idol@dimestoreproductions.com

I'm suprised no one has notified me of that before, I'll check it!!

[SteveForbes]

Thanks, I appreciate it. :)

-(i'm goin' to the Idol, I'm goin' to the fair...) llama

[AIPman1]

Hey folks, over on the Lair of the Grim One yahoo group...FRESH from a certain whale's lips:

Hi everyone,

Yes, I'm back. Needed a vacation, and as I always try to head down to
Megacon ... I figured a bit of time off was deserved. I have also been
attending to some personal matters to address and keep active
regarding this big whohaa that everyone connected to the CBR thread
bearing my name ha. The 'old' Rick might've jumped into this thread
anxious to debate and spout off about his point of view. The 'new'
Rick actually has enough brains to not let his emotions no longer
affect the thinking processes of others, no matter how flawed their
views may be.

I never asked to be promoted. Jim just happens to have bothered to care.

Anyway, I'm here reading now. To the few here that feel they need to
stick their noses where they don't belong -- Don't be surprised if I
don't respond or outright ignore you. Couple of you remind me of a
bird hunting beagle we had when I was a kid. Now THERE was a dog that
couldn't keep his nose glued to another dogs rear end instead of
flushing birds. lol

Don't take the comparison personal. I just think that a legal matter
between people should stay between those involved. 85% of what has and
is being said in that CBR thread since its start is nonfactual.

[Flamebird]

God he should be locked away just for his abuse of the english language.

But YAY!!! peanut's back; only a matter of time till the next meltdown.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Hey folks, over on the Lair of the Grim One yahoo group...FRESH from a certain whale's lips:

Wow, he's become even less articulate.

Maybe his next post will be written in green crayon on Big Chief paper.

[Stressfactor]

"The 'new' Rick actually has enough brains...."

This is such a beautiful set up to sooooo many jokes.

[JTPencils]

He's become his own Rickenborg!

[TomStillwell]

85% of what has and is being said in that CBR thread since its start is nonfactual.

I need to fix this for him.

85% of what has and is being said by me in that CBR thread since its start is nonfactual.

All better.

[sk716]

I need to fix this for him.



All better.

Yes, that makes much more sense.

[Kurt Busiek]

Couple of you remind me of a bird hunting beagle we had when I was a kid. Now THERE was a dog that couldn't keep his nose glued to another dogs rear end instead of flushing birds.

So he wanted the dog to keep sniffing other dog's butts, but it kept flushing birds instead?

No wonder his priorities are all mixed up.

kdb

[Papergirl]

Hey folks, over on the Lair of the Grim One yahoo group...FRESH from a certain whale's lips:
YAY! Peanut's back!

Yes, I'm back. Needed a vacation, and as I always try to head down to Megacon ... I figured a bit of time off was deserved.

If he was at MegaCon, he did a damn fine job of hiding from us. We searched high and low for Dick and didn't see a single sign of him anywhere. (We DID, however, talk to as many creators as possible about him!) So, he's either lying through his teeth or a complete and utter coward. Which is it, peanut?

~Bev

[JTPencils]

YAY! Peanut's back!



If he was at MegaCon, he did a damn fine job of hiding from us. We searched high and low for Dick and didn't see a single sign of him anywhere. (We DID, however, talk to as many creators as possible about him!) So, he's either lying through his teeth or a complete and utter coward. Which is it, peanut?

~Bev

If he was there... he was washing dishes in the kitchen to pay off his room. Cuz the management wouldn't take "I'll pay you later" as an excuse.

[TomStillwell]

He wasn't anywhere near MegaCon.

He's an exposed lying coward who paraded as a bully for years. He'll never step foot anywhere he can't control the situation again.

[Stressfactor]

Actually, you may notice that he never precisely *says* he went to Megacon. he says Yes, I'm back. Needed a vacation, and as I always try to head down to Megacon ... I figured a bit of time off was deserved. He lets people *infer* he went there but in all actuality all he says is he 'always tries to head down to Megacon' and then that he took a little time off.

Sneaky semantics.

[JTPencils]

Since we know he's lied about just about everything short of being conceived... why would we believe he went to Megacon... when NO one saw him there.

He's more elusive then those critters at Area 51.

[Samuel Catalino]

I dunno. That's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Boycotting Wizard World doesn't help the creators that attend hoping for a good turn out.

Tom,

Even when they have screwed those creators?

There is more to Wizard than most folks know about.

Best,

Samuel

[Samuel Catalino]

Since we know he's lied about just about everything short of being conceived... why would we believe he went to Megacon... when NO one saw him there.

He's more elusive then those critters at Area 51.

It would have been hard to see anyone there. It was packed Saturday, and crowded both Sunday and Friday.

I did not see him though. Then again, I did not see Matt, and he did not see me either. Neither of us saw anyone wearing sports jerseys, and we were probably the only ones wearing them Saturday.

[Samuel Catalino]

YAY! Peanut's back!



If he was at MegaCon, he did a damn fine job of hiding from us. We searched high and low for Dick and didn't see a single sign of him anywhere. (We DID, however, talk to as many creators as possible about him!) So, he's either lying through his teeth or a complete and utter coward. Which is it, peanut?

~Bev

Bev,

I saw someone who looked like him there, but it was not him. Guy had too much hair.

Looking at his post, he did not explicitly say he was at Megacon. Just that he was on vacation..key words "as I always try to head down to
Megacon ... I figured a bit of time off was deserved"

Just playing with words again.

Best,

Samuel

[Samuel Catalino]

Actually, you may notice that he never precisely *says* he went to Megacon. he says Yes, I'm back. Needed a vacation, and as I always try to head down to Megacon ... I figured a bit of time off was deserved. He lets people *infer* he went there but in all actuality all he says is he 'always tries to head down to Megacon' and then that he took a little time off.

Sneaky semantics.

I posted before I saw your comments. You nailed it though.

[Samuel Catalino]

And Rick looked at his myspace site too.

[Matt Doc Martin]

D'ya think peanut will wear his imaginary dress blue's to court to prove that's really a patriotic sorta guy??

BTW... I know that the wheels of justice grind slowly, I can accept that. But is there even a tentative date for the next step?? Something we can all circle on our collective calendars?


You will have news in a few weeks.

[SteveForbes]

Actually, you may notice that he never precisely *says* he went to Megacon. he says Yes, I'm back. Needed a vacation, and as I always try to head down to Megacon ... I figured a bit of time off was deserved. He lets people *infer* he went there but in all actuality all he says is he 'always tries to head down to Megacon' and then that he took a little time off.

Sneaky semantics.

Actually, I caught that, too.

As usual, he doesn't know what he's saying. He's not going to let his emotions affect other people's reactions? I'm trying to wrap my head around that one.

Anyone want to give me a hand? Not with what he MEANT to say, but in what he really said?

-(American is my first language) llama

[Matt Doc Martin]

It would have been hard to see anyone there. It was packed Saturday, and crowded both Sunday and Friday.

I did not see him though. Then again, I did not see Matt, and he did not see me either. Neither of us saw anyone wearing sports jerseys, and we were probably the only ones wearing them Saturday.

Yeah...but all I did was look for him. I knew what he looked like, and asked around. I did not know you nor what you were wearing.

[SteveForbes]

I just noticed that we're sad, sad little people.

He makes one post, and already there's a couple pages worth of replies, with more surely on the way. This is after a complete slowdown of this thread.

Such a sad state of affairs.

Ah, hell! Let's polka!!!!!

-(dancin' machine) llama

[Sarah Beach]

I had heard a rumor from a usually reliable source that MegaCon management had been informed of RO, his treatment of sundry people, the implied threat to Matt, and RO's then stated intention of attending MegaCon - and that management intended to refuse him admission if he showed up (as a "disruptive force").

Now: I AM FLAGGING THIS AS A RUMOR
I don't know that it was in fact the intention of MegaCon management. I just liked the idea of it and kept it to myself. But now that the Con is over, and people have reported back, and Himself is using his slippery language to imply that he did attend.... I just thought I'd throw it out there.

As another of those "non-factual" things he points at this thread for. But I'll beat him to the draw and say I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS A FACT. So there! peanut!

But yeah.... his command of the language and its meanings.... still sucks big time. Even more than before. Guess he's out of practice. Heh.

[Matt Doc Martin]

I had heard a rumor from a usually reliable source that MegaCon management had been informed of RO, his treatment of sundry people, the implied threat to Matt, and RO's then stated intention of attending MegaCon - and that management intended to refuse him admission if he showed up (as a "disruptive force").

Now: I AM FLAGGING THIS AS A RUMOR
I don't know that it was in fact the intention of MegaCon management. I just liked the idea of it and kept it to myself. But now that the Con is over, and people have reported back, and Himself is using his slippery language to imply that he did attend.... I just thought I'd throw it out there.

As another of those "non-factual" things he points at this thread for. But I'll beat him to the draw and say I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS A FACT. So there! peanut!

But yeah.... his command of the language and its meanings.... still sucks big time. Even more than before. Guess he's out of practice. Heh.


Bummer. I didn't tell MegaCon...I wanted my surprise. Just to see if Rick could say ANYTHING honest.

[Magneto_X]

If he was at MegaCon, he did a damn fine job of hiding from us. We searched high and low for Dick and didn't see a single sign of him anywhere. (We DID, however, talk to as many creators as possible about him!) So, he's either lying through his teeth or a complete and utter coward. Which is it, peanut?

~Bev

I was at Dixon's panel but I didn't bring Olney up because I thought it would have been prying or something. :(

[matterconsumer]

85% of what has and is being said in that CBR thread since its start is nonfactual.

Rick Olney is a swell guy!

[Sarah Beach]

Originally posted by peanut elsewhere:
85% of what has and is being said in that CBR thread since its start is nonfactual.
Rick Olney is a swell guy!


LOL :D :evilsmile

Very good one! Rimshot!

[matterconsumer]

Well it's about time we turned counterfactual here anyway :)

[TCJohnson]

The 'new'
Rick actually has enough brains to not let his emotions no longer
affect the thinking processes of others, no matter how flawed their
views may be.


Oddly enough this sentance is absolutely true.

Couple of you remind me of a
bird hunting beagle we had when I was a kid. Now THERE was a dog that
couldn't keep his nose glued to another dogs rear end instead of
flushing birds. lol


So...what did he do to the dog? Ignore him?

[TCJohnson]

By the way, do we know of any lawsuits against him?

[Magneto_X]

Does anyone know what Rick meant by "flushing birds"? And how would a beagle do it? :confused:

[Matt Doc Martin]

Does anyone know what Rick meant by "flushing birds"? And how would a beagle do it? :confused:

It's a hunting term...and I don't believe him when he uses it.

[matterconsumer]

Does anyone know what Rick meant by "flushing birds"? And how would a beagle do it? :confused:

Surely you don't expect Rick's beagle or any dog designated to him to do as much as even bark!

But the conversation refers to hunting birds and using dogs to flush the birds out into the open.

[Sarah Beach]

Does anyone know what Rick meant by "flushing birds"? And how would a beagle do it? :confused:

"Flushing birds" is a hunting term, meaning to drive the birds out of the bushes they are hiding in, and into flight. Beagles were trained for this type of hunting, rushing in, bounching about, barking.

And I know that from reading period literature, not actual hunting experience. But he does have that much right. But he still mangled the reference by his obsession with rear ends and his need to reference them.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

I love it.

The 'new' Rick actually has enough brains to not let his emotions no longer affect the thinking processes of others, no matter how flawed their
views may be.

The new Jim Ritchey has enough brains to not not let his emotions no longer affect the thinking processes required to proofread his own copy, in order to avoid double negatives--and Rick! Just say no to non-non-clarity, no longer!

[Sarah Beach]

ANALYSIS OF TEXT:

"The 'new' Rick"
A false assumption: humans do not really get remade (in spite of "make-over" shows). They can repent, reform, even repair. Tempting as it is to speculate on religious conversion, my mockery only runs so far.

"actually has enough brains"
Debatable. Unproven. Lack of evidence.

"to not let his emotions"
Not sure he has any, at least in the generally accepted sense. His are all self-centered and self-serving. No empathy, sympathy or "common feeling."

"no longer affect the thinking processes of others,"
Error. Last time I checked, he was not endowed with the ability to control the thinking processes of others in any fashion. In fact, he successfully produces reactions in the thinking processes of others by opening his mouth, or posting "simple" statements - because their incomprehensibility requires others to apply their brains to attempt to understand what the heck he meant!

"no matter how flawed their views may be. "
Non-sequitur. The "flawed views" of others apparently NEVER affected poor peanut in the first place. Their clear views, however, may do just that, when called before courts as witnesses.

There's something sick with my brain, in that I've actually missed the exercise of trying to decipher RO's mangled prose! I need a cure or something.

[Matt Doc Martin]

"Flushing birds" is a hunting term, meaning to drive the birds out of the bushes they are hiding in, and into flight. Beagles were trained for this type of hunting, rushing in, bounching about, barking.

And I know that from reading period literature, not actual hunting experience. But he does have that much right. But he still mangled the reference by his obsession with rear ends and his need to reference them.

What is "to drive the birds out of the bushes they are hiding in, and into flight. "?

[Sarah Beach]

What is "to drive the birds out of the bushes they are hiding in, and into flight. "?

FLUSH YOU!!!!

:p :p :evilsmile ;)

[Hybrid2]

85% of what has and
is being said in that CBR thread since its start is nonfactual.

True,so true.

Rick have been talking a LOT!

and there's the 10% donut puns,kittens and other fun nosense in here.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

True,so true.

Rick have been talking a LOT!

and there's the 10% donut puns,kittens and other fun nosense in here.

Here's a kitty for Rick!

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m231/jamesritcheyiii/thCatMachineGun.gif

[EdContradictory]

Anyway, I'm here reading now. To the few here that feel they need to
stick their noses where they don't belong -- Don't be surprised if I
don't respond or outright ignore you. Couple of you remind me of a
bird hunting beagle we had when I was a kid. Now THERE was a dog that
couldn't keep his nose glued to another dogs rear end instead of
flushing birds. lol

Don't take the comparison personal. I just think that a legal matter
between people should stay between those involved. 85% of what has and
is being said in that CBR thread since its start is nonfactual.
Wait... so he's not suing all of us now?

[JTPencils]

Does this mean add the term "bird hunting dog" to plebe's and others?

[TomStillwell]

And Rick looked at his myspace site too.

His wife must be out of the house then.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Wait... so he's not suing all of us now?

I answered it on my question thread

[Matt Doc Martin]

His wife must be out of the house then.

Or his internet was hooked back up at his house. Maybe he paid a bill?

[Night Swordsman]

True,so true.

Rick have been talking a LOT!

and there's the 10% donut puns,kittens and other fun nosense in here.

Hey! The kittens are innocent! Leave them out of it!

[TomStillwell]

Or his internet was hooked back up at his house. Maybe he paid a bill?

Olney paying bills? That's crazy talk!

[THEDOC]

Hey folks, over on the Lair of the Grim One yahoo group...FRESH from a certain whale's lips:

Ohhhhhh Rick reported you Ian. Now you're in for it!

[AIPman1]

yea, well, if I get kicked out of that group, they deserve Rick.

[THEDOC]

yea, well, if I get kicked out of that group, they deserve Rick.

I sincerely doubt that would happen , just makin' a joke.

[KevinTBrown]

I just made my hotel reservations. Believe it or not, three of the four hotels attached to the convention center are already booked solid.

Wizard always books a block of rooms at each hotel. If you've booked through their travel agency in the past, you'll be receiving an email in a month or 2 I would think. ;)

So that "booked solid" probably means Wizard has a hold on rooms for the con.

[Larry Dixon]

I can assure you, as a falconer, that flushing birds with a dog accomplishes only three things.

It confuses the dog.

It annoys the birds.

And it jams up your toilet.

[NatGertler]

I just think that a legal matter
between people should stay between those involved.But unfortunately for Rick, other people have gone and spread the word to lawyers, to the attorney general's office, to the justice system... how dare they involve all those third parties!

[Cam63]

He wasn't anywhere near MegaCon.

He's an exposed lying coward who paraded as a bully for years. He'll never step foot anywhere he can't control the situation again.

He's master of the dunny, but only while he's on it.

[Cam63]

What is "to drive the birds out of the bushes they are hiding in, and into flight. "?

It could mean sticking sheilas down the dunny, you know.

[Yonar]

I can assure you, as a falconer, that flushing birds with a dog accomplishes only three things.

It confuses the dog.

It annoys the birds.

And it jams up your toilet.

But it's fun to watch the dog barking at the toilet...

[Samuel Catalino]

I was at Dixon's panel but I didn't bring Olney up because I thought it would have been prying or something. :(

I spoke to Chuck and we briefly spoke about R. O. Very briefly.

[MacQuarrie]

YAY! Peanut's back!



If he was at MegaCon, he did a damn fine job of hiding from us. We searched high and low for Dick and didn't see a single sign of him anywhere. (We DID, however, talk to as many creators as possible about him!) So, he's either lying through his teeth or a complete and utter coward. Which is it, peanut?

~Bev
What makes you think they're mutually exclusive? He's both.

How can you tell if Olney is lying? His lips are moving.

[Samuel Catalino]

But it's fun to watch the dog barking at the toilet...

It would be more fun if the dog could use the toilet.

[Samuel Catalino]

Yeah...but all I did was look for him. I knew what he looked like, and asked around. I did not know you nor what you were wearing.

Yeah, but how many did you see that were wearing football jerseys? Both you and I should have been easy to have been pointed out in that bunch of people and neither of us saw anyone with football jerseys.

I know what R.O. looks like and did not see him, but that does not mean he could not have been there; however, from past experiences of his MO, I have a strong suspicion that he was not there. I saw someone who looked like him, but the guy was too young and had too much hair to be him.

The bottom line is that it was pretty darn crowded there Saturday and you could hardly get around the flow of people going back and forth down the aisles.

[Papergirl]

What makes you think they're mutually exclusive? He's both.

How can you tell if Olney is lying? His lips are moving.
Ooooh! Excellent point!

~Bev

[Art Grafunkel]

What makes you think they're mutually exclusive? He's both.

How can you tell if Olney is lying? His lips are moving.

Damn, I thought he did most of the talking through his butthole? :confused:

[Cam63]

Damn, I thought he did most of the talking through his butthole? :confused:

That explains the muffled squeaking.

[AIPman1]

Here's a bit more about Olney's continuing effort to woo fanzine creators to his side:
I wonder if we can just move on now and just wipe the slate clean?

GRIM JIM


my reply:
I have a simple statement to make. If Rick Olney’s your friend, then I am not. I can’t be involved with people who would turn a blind eye to the literally hundred some people who have come forward to say that Rick Olney wronged them in some way. Let me know on that. You’ve known me basically since I was a kid, Jim. You’ve seen my ups and downs, you’ve seen me grow. You know you can trust me with $$, and have. I’m not going to tell you what to do, but I am going to tell you that if you’re going to buddy up to Rick Olney, I hope you will do some talking to OTHER people who have been his buddy. Start with Tim Tobolski. Ask Lance Boucher. That’s all I have to say. There’s a reason he’s posting in your group and NOWHERE else online. Figure it out. You owe it to yourself.

[Cam63]

Fucknuckle keeps trying and failing.

I don't know how anyone can say they support him without a lobotomy and some electrode attachments.

[SteveForbes]

I support Rick O-

zzzzAAAARRRKKKK!!!

-(electro-shocked) llama

[Cam63]

I support Rick O-

zzzzAAAARRRKKKK!!!

-(electro-shocked) llama

Your poor testicles.

[DocAbsurd]

Ian, could you pass me the name of Jim's group? I've been meaning to get in touch with him and I really do wanna witness this exchange firsthand.

And could someone with the archives of Moby's deleted messages find the post where he said he basically 'washed [his] hands' of the small press clique? I do so wanna keep his words up where everyone can see them.

[Cam63]

Rick trying to wash himself of what he's said is like watching a junkie try to apply for a job as a brain surgeon.

[AIPman1]

Absolutely, sir! URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LAIROFTHEGRIMONE/

Jim's put out some great zines in the past year, I helped with printing on most of them. He's a great guy...who seriously dislikes any sort of flame war...but is forgiving to a fault when people try to sound reasonable.

[Reverend Smooth]

And could someone with the archives of Moby's deleted messages find the post where he said he basically 'washed [his] hands' of the small press clique? I do so wanna keep his words up where everyone can see them.
We're not always gonna be small press. :E

[AIPman1]

Another Quote:
No, you're right, obviously, nobody is perfect. I just find it absurd
that the very things that I am being accused of have happened for
yaers on end within small press and indy publishing. Yet I have
unknowingly and unintentionally bridged the gap with standard publishing.

I also see that Tim Tobolski has recently joined this egroup. I hope
he can manage to obey the rules. Ian Shires didn't.

Mr. Shires has also said, "I indeed posted Ricks public words
elsewhere. If that brings sanctions against me here, I'll gladly leave
the group here. I am not going to address Rick in any way. However, I
have numerous professional friends who have real vested interests in
the current actions of Mr. Olney…and felt they needed to know he was
"back." Trust me, I have no intention to engage in any sort of
verbiage back and forth, nor entangle myself in the actual legal
matters at hand. I'm not involved but to KEEP myself not involved."

Mr. Shires, you have ALREADY entangled yourself along with a number of
others from that CBR thread. Do not forget that everything comes full
circle. Make no mistake that your "numerous professional friends" are
only such while the shite can be savored. Once the matter goes
strictly into a court you'll be called to answer for anything that my
attorney feels is relevent. That also applies to Mr. Tobolski. Having
a dozen idiots recant a lie and embellish it with every telling isn't
the truth. It isn't a big bag of misconception on my part. I would
also like to know WHO these 100 people were that you claim I've
wronged. By all means, publish a list... please. How YOU or anyone
can lay claim to knowing what originally began as a legal matter
between Chuck Dixon and TightLip Entertainment, to be worked out
between our attornies, only to be dragged into "Gail Simone's"
sideshow of distraction is amazing. I think you saw it, first, as YOUR
opportunity to ride on the coat tails of the matter in gaining a mix
of sympathy and noteriety. Everything has a cost.

Rick Olney

[TomStillwell]

Another Quote:

He still hasn't figured out how to use recant.

[Stressfactor]

Or recount. It's like getting a two-for-one in a negative sense.

[AIPman1]

And another:
Jim,
There are about a dozen people -- IF they are all unique and singular identities -- that have made it there 'mission' to harrass and libel me.

What I did was fall outside of my original payment agreement to Chuck Dixon (and now others involved in certain TLE book projects) during that span of time late last July during the death periods of my mother, a 26 year old niece of ours, and my mother-in-law. From that time on, it has been a 'game' by certain 'professional' people to pick the matter apart. People not having any life of their own have clung to the topic. And yes, I am in the midst of several very real legal battles that will play out in the court system. But again, the level of libel and the embellishing of fact to pure fantasy from the minds of a handful of CBR idiots is MY business and not that of Mr. Shires. Mr. Shires needs to get a LIFE of his own.

Rick Olney

[AIPman1]

and here is more:

Lance,
Where in that CBR thread is there room or fairness in allowing me the
opportunity of speaking out and owning up to any shortcomings on this
matter? Contrary to Mr. Shires spout-off, I'm here to interact with a
few friends and make myself available to answer any questions that I
have been told that I can address in conversation.

Lance, you have said a bevy of things that, because you see and read
others taking shots at me ... seems to give you some idea that YOU
have a right to talk as you have. This matter didn't concern you. It
does now. And, as such, I won't be addressing you or anyone else that
is involved in this legal matter from here on out. A few of my actions
may have damned me, but your words and actions have also damned you, sir.

Rick Olney

[TomStillwell]

Where in that CBR thread is there room or fairness in allowing me the
opportunity of speaking out and owning up to any shortcomings on this
matter?

He had the chance to give his side of the story with all the available facts.

Instead he threatened legal action on posters, side-stepped legit questions with his make-believe lawyer claptrap, insulted many people, and posted a picture of a penis.

All of it is on record over at the Unscrewed! website, despite his own attempt to delete everything.

Ian, just send them over there. Let Rick's own word bear witness against himself. You don't need to say anything more.

[AIPman1]

Jim main has asked me to promise not to copy any more posts from his group here, and I respect that. I made the deal back with him that in exchange for my agreement, he would approve all memberships in his yahoo group from people here that want to read what Rick says.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LAIROFTHEGRIMONE/

[Linkara]

...Man, PLEASE let the court case be televised, I want to see this!:evilsmile

[SUPERECWFAN1]

He had the chance to give his side of the story with all the available facts.

Instead he threatened legal action on posters, side-stepped legit questions with his make-believe lawyer claptrap, insulted many people, and posted a picture of a penis.

All of it is on record over at the Unscrewed! website, despite his own attempt to delete everything.

Ian, just send them over there. Let Rick's own word bear witness against himself. You don't need to say anything more.

Whoa....I wasn't here when he tried to post a picture of his penis. THANK GOD.

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

He had the chance to give his side of the story with all the available facts.

Instead he threatened legal action on posters, side-stepped legit questions with his make-believe lawyer claptrap, insulted many people, and posted a picture of a penis.

All of it is on record over at the Unscrewed! website, despite his own attempt to delete everything.

Ian, just send them over there. Let Rick's own word bear witness against himself. You don't need to say anything more.

He posted of picture of what? :eek: :eek:

Unbelievable.

Jp

[Matt Doc Martin]

Jim main has asked me to promise not to copy any more posts from his group here, and I respect that. I made the deal back with him that in exchange for my agreement, he would approve all memberships in his yahoo group from people here that want to read what Rick says.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LAIROFTHEGRIMONE/

Let's see if I am approved for the group.

[DocAbsurd]

I also see that Tim Tobolski has recently joined this egroup. I hope
he can manage to obey the rules. Ian Shires didn't.

Mr. Shires, you have ALREADY entangled yourself along with a number of
others from that CBR thread. Do not forget that everything comes full
circle. Make no mistake that your "numerous professional friends" are
only such while the shite can be savored. Once the matter goes
strictly into a court you'll be called to answer for anything that my
attorney feels is relevent. That also applies to Mr. Tobolski. Having
a dozen idiots recant a lie and embellish it with every telling isn't
the truth. It isn't a big bag of misconception on my part. I would
also like to know WHO these 100 people were that you claim I've
wronged. By all means, publish a list... please. How YOU or anyone
can lay claim to knowing what originally began as a legal matter
between Chuck Dixon and TightLip Entertainment, to be worked out
between our attornies, only to be dragged into "Gail Simone's"
sideshow of distraction is amazing. I think you saw it, first, as YOUR
opportunity to ride on the coat tails of the matter in gaining a mix
of sympathy and noteriety. Everything has a cost.

Here's part of what I'm gonna post to that:

'Holy Christ, can't you simply staple your flapping lips shut for once!?! I only just joined the group; I haven't even made my first post yet. And already I'm being accused of ulterior motives.

I joined to get in contact with Jim to -- hopefully -- get a few projects re-ignited; I admit I also wanted to watch you side-step yourself into oblivion. But believe me, I had no intention of even acknowledging your existence.

But you had to drag me into it again. First I was shanghaied into being an ally in Rich Johnston's LitG column (which you knew nothing about even though you gave Rich permission to use my name); now I'm one of the 'plebes', part of Gail's 'sideshow', another of the faceless mob handing out torches and pitchforks to take down the Olney-beast. Don't you ever learn?

Why do you feel the necessity to launch into an instant defense of yourself whenever you join a group? Are you that starved for attention? That why you constantly kidnap me into your dramas, knowing I'll inevitably have people follow? You coulda given me 30 seconds or so to catch my breath before hurling your 'warnings'.'

Hopefully I'm not breaking any rules by posting only part of my response here first. I really don't wanna lose my membership, but I've had all I can fecking take from this gobshyte.




Doc 'I Can't Stands No More' Absurd

[TomStillwell]

Whoa....I wasn't here when he tried to post a picture of his penis. THANK GOD.

I didn't say his penis. A penis. A drawing of someone with a penis and testicles for a face. He posted it to insult one of the posters.

[Cam63]

'Cause he had to pawn his own genitals, that's why.

[AIPman1]

QUESTION: Does this...

IMPORTANT WARNING: This email (and any attachments) is only intended for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. You, the recipient, are obligated to maintain it in a safe, secure and confidential manner. Unauthorized redisclosure or failure to maintain confidentiality may subject you to federal and state penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify us by return email, and delete this message from your computer.

protect a person's posts on a public forum? it's a new addition to Olney posts...

[Matt Doc Martin]

QUESTION: Does this...



protect a person's posts on a public forum? it's a new addition to Olney posts...

No, it does not. But it is a nice try.

[Typo Lad]

I have been advised by lawyers in the past that no, it in fact does not.

[Reverend Smooth]

This is the 21st century internets. Get with the times, Olney. Public forum = public forum.

[AIPman1]

Let's see if I am approved for the group.
As far as I can tell, Matt...Jim won't approve your membership because you said in your request "to read rick's lies"

Appearantly that's a bad thing.

He said you can e-mail him off board if you have anything to say.

I personally am done with Jim Main at this time. I've tried to be his friend, illustrait what Olney was trying to do by going to Jim's group, and he seems insistant on playing the role that Olney is misunderstood and deserves to speak, while at the same time, not allowing others who have real vested interest in it, to join.

I've got better things to do than try to be Jim Main's friend now...

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I didn't say his penis. A penis. A drawing of someone with a penis and testicles for a face. He posted it to insult one of the posters.

Man....thats just....something I'd never expect a supposed man in charge of a comic book company to do.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

As far as I can tell, Matt...Jim won't approve your membership because you said in your request "to read rick's lies"

Appearantly that's a bad thing.

He said you can e-mail him off board if you have anything to say.

I personally am done with Jim Main at this time. I've tried to be his friend, illustrait what Olney was trying to do by going to Jim's group, and he seems insistant on playing the role that Olney is misunderstood and deserves to speak, while at the same time, not allowing others who have real vested interest in it, to join.

I've got better things to do than try to be Jim Main's friend now...


WHy am I not shocked. It appears that he too has fallen for the " world is against me " line that others have as well. I'd let him go because odds are in a year he'll be on this thread too. ;)

[Typo Lad]

To be fair, Matt kinda doesn't have a horse in the race...

[KevinTBrown]

Jim main has asked me to promise not to copy any more posts from his group here, and I respect that. I made the deal back with him that in exchange for my agreement, he would approve all memberships in his yahoo group from people here that want to read what Rick says.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LAIROFTHEGRIMONE/

As far as I can tell, Matt...Jim won't approve your membership because you said in your request "to read rick's lies"

Appearantly that's a bad thing.

He said you can e-mail him off board if you have anything to say.

I personally am done with Jim Main at this time. I've tried to be his friend, illustrait what Olney was trying to do by going to Jim's group, and he seems insistant on playing the role that Olney is misunderstood and deserves to speak, while at the same time, not allowing others who have real vested interest in it, to join.

I've got better things to do than try to be Jim Main's friend now...

Y'know, all means all.... Matt tried to sign up to read Rick's posts.

I don't mean to jump into the middle of that, but I dislike people who back out of agreements. I'm sure Jim's a nice guy and all, but things like that rankle me.

[Matt Doc Martin]

To be fair, Matt kinda doesn't have a horse in the race...

To be fair, I do.

He has repeatedly threatened me.

Also, I am the one who has proof of his charity claims, and the ability to show he is a liar based on what he has already said in the thread regarding said claims.

[Matt Doc Martin]

As far as I can tell, Matt...Jim won't approve your membership because you said in your request "to read rick's lies"

Appearantly that's a bad thing.

He said you can e-mail him off board if you have anything to say.

I personally am done with Jim Main at this time. I've tried to be his friend, illustrait what Olney was trying to do by going to Jim's group, and he seems insistant on playing the role that Olney is misunderstood and deserves to speak, while at the same time, not allowing others who have real vested interest in it, to join.

I've got better things to do than try to be Jim Main's friend now...

Y'know, all means all.... Matt tried to sign up to read Rick's posts.

I don't mean to jump into the middle of that, but I dislike people who back out of agreements. I'm sure Jim's a nice guy and all, but things like that rankle me.


Sounds like he and Rick will get along just fine.

[AIPman1]

Y'know, all means all.... Matt tried to sign up to read Rick's posts.

I don't mean to jump into the middle of that, but I dislike people who back out of agreements. I'm sure Jim's a nice guy and all, but things like that rankle me.
I appearantly mistook his agreement. I posted the proposal, his next post was sure why not, but appearantly it was a reply to something else.

I tried to talk to him about it, he said he wouldn't be bullied. I asked how he can have a fair Q+A about this if he's only listening to one side.

Soon after, I said I was done there. And I mean it. I'll only bounce my body off the door a few times, if nothing gives, it's time to walk away.

[Typo Lad]

To be fair, I do.

He has repeatedly threatened me.

Yeah but his threats hold as much water as say, his claims of checks in the mail.

I meant you aren't owed money.

An apology, maybe.

Also, I am the one who has proof of his charity claims, and the ability to show he is a liar based on what he has already said in the thread regarding said claims.

Seems like a good reason to keep you out then!

[Matt Doc Martin]

Seems like a good reason to keep you out then!

The truth is a bitch.

[Typo Lad]

Wait... are you saying the truth is my sister-in-law?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I appearantly mistook his agreement. I posted the proposal, his next post was sure why not, but appearantly it was a reply to something else.

I tried to talk to him about it, he said he wouldn't be bullied. I asked how he can have a fair Q+A about this if he's only listening to one side.

Soon after, I said I was done there. And I mean it. I'll only bounce my body off the door a few times, if nothing gives, it's time to walk away.

Its really unbelievable someone would take 1 persons word over countless creators who have stepped forward and many ( Dixon, Waid and Busiek carry enough wieght it shouldn't be an issue) . I'm sorry...but that guy deserves to discover the truth about things on his own and when it happens , he will only have himself to blame.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Wait... are you saying the truth is my sister-in-law?

heh.

It is possible.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Its really unbelievable someone would take 1 persons word over countless creators who have stepped forward and many ( Dixon, Waid and Busiek carry enough wieght it shouldn't be an issue) . I'm sorry...but that guy deserves to discover the truth about things on his own and when it happens , he will only have himself to blame.

The ostrich effect.

[SteveForbes]

I got into the group. Just an FYI. Took less than 5 minutes to get approved.

-(has his eyes open) llama

[Sarah Beach]

Well, I'm sorry to learn that someone (in this case, Jim Main) is falling for Rick's "poor me, and I'm such a reasonable guy" act. For now. Although you'd think the language RO uses of people would be enough of a warning (comparing people to a dog with its nose stuck in another dog's butt? not cool).

Still... How long will Rick be able to keep it up in such a small arena as someone else's closed yahoo group?

In any case, even though I need to do some updating on the Chronology, in addition to RO's posts (in his own words), there is the cold hard data on the sequence of events. I've tried to keep from editorializing in the Chronology itself, just presenting the bare facts. But even the bare facts of the sequence of his actions doesn't make him look too good.

RO keeps claiming that people that he hasn't been contractually bound to have no right to stick their noses in "the business". Sorry, but when people care about each other, and victims allow the "outsiders" to give them support, then the "outsiders" are involved. By choice. Because they care. His saying they don't have a right is irrelevant. We happen to care about the situation, and about how it reflects on our profession as a whole.

He also tries, rather deserately, to make it seem like the only legal matter he's facing is the one with Chuck Dixon (and Chuck's artists), on the TOTS matter. But we know that to be wrong. Ronee hasn't been paid, Tim hasn't been paid, so many others haven't been paid -- over the course of several years. It's ridiculous that he thinks he can still brush things off dismissively. That his word really is "good enough".

[Stressfactor]

Ah, but at least there is this confirmation from the man himself.....

And yes, I am in the midst of several very real legal battles that will play out in the court system.

[Coppervale Studio]

My dog just got a PM from Rick's dog, and apparently things there aren't as good as Rick implies.

According to the dog, Fred, his relationship with Rick began well enough, but soon thereafter disintegrated into a morass of broken promises, unwarranted legal threats, and the difficult realization that affections and loyalties had been misplaced.

Fred would like it known that the current hunting-related story being bandied about by Rick is false. There was no work-related sniffing of hindquarters, and moreover, when it was proposed while on said trip, Fred had to first politely, then vehemently decline to participate.

Things went downhill from there. Fred was entered in a dog show, which was cancelled five times before going forward, and was then asked, at the last minute, to go for a tick dip and manicure. Rick had generously offered to pay all costs, but when the bill came, begged off on the excuse that he had offered to pay for dog biscuits for another canine attendee - who proceeded to bring along his whole litter. Rick apologized profusely, and even claimed that, in retaliation, he covertly sold the other canine's puppies to someone named Cruella De Ville, but subsequent inquiries revealed De Ville to in fact be a cartoon character.

Fred paid for the tick dip and manicure, and attended the dog show, expecting Rick would compensate him afterwards... but on inquiry, Rick flew into a rage, stating that "Fred" was a pseudonym for the dog's real name, "Buster", and therefore the promise to pay had been made to a dog that doesn't exist, nullifying the obligation.

Fred politely chose to begin severing ties, but on realizing that stories were being posted which indicated he was supportive of Rick, decided to come forward and shed a little light on the matter. Fred is on his own now, but feels he is wiser for the experience.

Edited to add: My dog just got another PM from Fred. Apparently, Mark Waid's dog got him a job as a guard dog at Steve Geppi's Comics Museum, so all is good with Fred. Thanks, Krypto!

[NatGertler]

Where in that CBR thread is there room or fairness in allowing me the
opportunity of speaking out and owning up to any shortcomings on this
matter?There was plenty of room for you to do so.

However, when given the chance to post here, you made statements that you knew you owed people money but placed additional conditions on their being paid. And you were rightly judged on that.
You also engaged in homophobic insults, threatened folks, and made statements that were untrue on the very face of them. You made promises here that you failed to keep. Indeed, had no one ever heard of you before your actions on this thread, those very actions would have earned the scorn of reasonable folks.
Here's a suggestion, Rick: instead of whining, threatening, and acting simultaneously like a bully and a coward, how about you pay the people you owe money to, without them having to head to the court system to get it out of you? It will take much effort to dig your reputation out of the hole which you have tunneled it into, but that would be the obvious and most effective first step.

[NatGertler]

You, the recipient, are obligated to maintain it in a safe, secure and confidential manner.Gotta love a system where receiving an email obligates you to something just by saying it does. I gotta send a message to several cute gals I know telling them that by receiving this email, they're obligated to smooch me at the next possible instant. (Oh, before that I should probably email my wife telling her that by receiving that email, she's obligated not to mind me getting smooched by obligated ladies.)

[Matt Doc Martin]

I got into the group. Just an FYI. Took less than 5 minutes to get approved.

-(has his eyes open) llama

Well, I am still pending. We will see.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Gotta love a system where receiving an email obligates you to something just by saying it does. I gotta send a message to several cute gals I know telling them that by receiving this email, they're obligated to smooch me at the next possible instant. (Oh, before that I should probably email my wife telling her that by receiving that email, she's obligated not to mind me getting smooched by obligated ladies.)

Well, it applies to emails, but I am not sure of the legalities of making someone do something just because YOU say so. If that were the case, Rick would pay up and shut up.

[Kurt Busiek]

My dog just got another PM from Fred. Apparently, Mark Waid's dog got him a job as a guard dog at Steve Geppi's Comics Museum, so all is good with Fred. Thanks, Krypto!

This is a base canard.

Krypto is my dog. Mark Waid's dog is Tail Terrier.

http://www.supermanartists.comics.org/superwhoswho/SCPA-Superboy131.JPG

kdb

[Kurt Busiek]

This is a base canard.

Krypto is my dog. Mark Waid's dog is Tail Terrier.

Actually, though, Krypto and Tail Terrier just teamed up last week to capture The Base Canard, a villainous duck that wasn't paying the other animals for contracted work...

kdb

[Coppervale Studio]

Actually, though, Krypto and Tail Terrier just teamed up last week to capture The Base Canard, a villainous duck that wasn't paying the other animals for contracted work...

kdb

Actually, I DID know Krypto was yours... I'd just blocked it out because of that unfortunate incident with Ann, Streaky, and the gold kryptonite in the catnip bag.

[DocAbsurd]

I'd like to ask everyone to please leave Jim Main out of this. Jim's a helluva guy and publishing powerhouse. So he's colleagues with Moby; that just means Jim's never seen the side of him that we all have.

And I pray he never does. Jim deserves much better than that.

Moby's words speak for him. As do his subsequent deletions. And broken promises. And empty threats.

Don't let this become misplaced battle lines.

Besides, we've all got enough to worry about, being on Moby's 'short list' of legal actions. I'm worried; he's got my ISP and everything! Of course, so does my attorney . . .

[SteveForbes]

Well, I am still pending. We will see.

It's actually quite hilarious.

Jim doesn't want Ian to post responses here, and yet Rick posts responses from HERE over THERE.

Of course, with his brand of reality thrown in for good measure. (Yes, it's a brand, not a slant. It's probably made in a tub out back. There IS farmland in upstate NY. I had some great, farm fresh, white corn when I was stationed at Stewart ANG Base. There's a small contingent of Marines there for I&I duty, training the reserves during their drill weekends.)

-(sometimes I miss the Corps) llama

[Sarah Beach]

It's actually quite hilarious.

Jim doesn't want Ian to post responses here, and yet Rick posts responses from HERE over THERE.

-(sometimes I miss the Corps) llama

Perhaps Jim (or someone) should point out to RO that it's inappropriate to "respond" to public posts in an arena where the probable posters cannot defend themselves.

Oh, wait! What am I thinking? He used to do that on his blog - inviting people to post on mySpace, whether they were registered there or not being irrelevant. Because, of course, he's not really interested in the free exchange of ideas or comments.

Did he go there just to find another place to spout off about how he's being persecuted by plebes and trolls? Unjustly? Ha! Coward.

[DoctorDoom]

Whoa....I wasn't here when he tried to post a picture of his penis. THANK GOD.
He tried to WHAT? What the hell is wrong with him?

[Reverend Smooth]

It wasn't his penis. It was a drawing of genitalia, probably because he has no cojones.

[AIPman1]

I'd like to ask everyone to please leave Jim Main out of this. Jim's a helluva guy and publishing powerhouse. So he's colleagues with Moby; that just means Jim's never seen the side of him that we all have.

And I pray he never does. Jim deserves much better than that.

Moby's words speak for him. As do his subsequent deletions. And broken promises. And empty threats.

Don't let this become misplaced battle lines.

Besides, we've all got enough to worry about, being on Moby's 'short list' of legal actions. I'm worried; he's got my ISP and everything! Of course, so does my attorney . . .

I haven't posted there since like noon, and won't. My whole point to ANYBODY is to never talk directly to Olney. Just don't do it. I wish to god Jim Main would have NOT invited a discussion on the matter, and I tried to warn him, but he didn't listen. It's just sad. He's doing to Jim Main right now, Tim, what he did to you and me back in the day. I wish it wasn't happening. Why won't people listen to reason?

[Papergirl]

Awaiting approval.

I even promised to behave, so long as Dick does.

~Bev

[Reverend Smooth]

My whole point to ANYBODY is to never talk directly to Olney. Just don't do it. One of my interests is evasive (and irresponsible) speech patterns, and he's full of 'em. I have no idea how anyone could miss them, but I guess most regular people just don't see it.

[Matt Doc Martin]

I posted a couple of things, but I may have been kicked. If so, so much for truth being allowed.

[Yonar]

I haven't posted there since like noon, and won't. My whole point to ANYBODY is to never talk directly to Olney. Just don't do it. I wish to god Jim Main would have NOT invited a discussion on the matter, and I tried to warn him, but he didn't listen. It's just sad. He's doing to Jim Main right now, Tim, what he did to you and me back in the day. I wish it wasn't happening. Why won't people listen to reason?

Funnily enough, because they're trying to be good people.

Good people don't listen to things that may be lies.

Good people give their friends second chances.

Think about it, back in the day, if people had come to you, on the forums you managed, and started, without first discussing it, at length, burden of proof on them, to tell you that a man you're working with, a man you believe to be trying to work with you, was an evil, lying, smelly asshat?

It'd be enough to make you defensive, and the more you argued that you weren't tyring to slander the guy, and the more the guy argued that you were, the more it would seem as if you were being unreasonable.

If it were a normal situation, I'd write this one off as 'you can't save those who don't want saving' and leave it alone.

But then, usually saving people from making the wrong friends doesn't also save them from being swindled in the buisiness that they're working on.

It's a difficult position.

The problem here is that Jim doesn't want to hear what you have to say.

Even if, and this is a big if, we could present it as a rational discourse at this point, with a list of people who have been monatarily damaged by him, the damages, the list of charges, and with care and preperation, make it as uninflamatory, and informational as possible (Just the facts, Ma'am.) we would still have to compete with RO's responses, which would be personal attacks, obfuscation, dissembly, and other such things, judging from his history.

My point is, even if we could do all that, Jim is the only one who can make his judgement. It is our duty as responsible members of society to speak against rick, to present the damages, and to press court cases to seek reparation, and to punish someone who has done wrong. It is not our place to make up people's minds.

Trying to fight against people making their own choices only hurts our image.

We may not agree with their choices. We may find it best to avoid people who associate with Olney. It is a choice which they must make though.

[Danny Donovan]

*cries* I'm not a first tier creator! How will I ever live down that indignity!

:evilsmile

[Papergirl]

I posted a couple of things, but I may have been kicked. If so, so much for truth being allowed.
I'm still waiting for approval.

And I mean exactly what I said. So long as Dick behaves civilly towards me, I'll behave civilly towards him.

~Bev

[Reverend Smooth]

*cries* I'm not a first tier creator! How will I ever live down that indignity!

:evilsmileBy actually producing enough output to become one. x.x Unlike certain people.

[Blackhawk]

I posted a couple of things, but I may have been kicked. If so, so much for truth being allowed.

The truth was allowed but there was a foul language code on the board you
apparently didn't read.

[Blackhawk]

I'm still waiting for approval.

And I mean exactly what I said. So long as Dick behaves civilly towards me, I'll behave civilly towards him.

~Bev

Sorry but the discussion was coming to an end and there was no need for
any further people against Rick just joining to add to the angry mob.

[Blackhawk]

Funnily enough, because they're trying to be good people.

Good people don't listen to things that may be lies.

Good people give their friends second chances.

Think about it, back in the day, if people had come to you, on the forums you managed, and started, without first discussing it, at length, burden of proof on them, to tell you that a man you're working with, a man you believe to be trying to work with you, was an evil, lying, smelly asshat?

It'd be enough to make you defensive, and the more you argued that you weren't tyring to slander the guy, and the more the guy argued that you were, the more it would seem as if you were being unreasonable.

If it were a normal situation, I'd write this one off as 'you can't save those who don't want saving' and leave it alone.

But then, usually saving people from making the wrong friends doesn't also save them from being swindled in the buisiness that they're working on.

It's a difficult position.

The problem here is that Jim doesn't want to hear what you have to say.

Even if, and this is a big if, we could present it as a rational discourse at this point, with a list of people who have been monatarily damaged by him, the damages, the list of charges, and with care and preperation, make it as uninflamatory, and informational as possible (Just the facts, Ma'am.) we would still have to compete with RO's responses, which would be personal attacks, obfuscation, dissembly, and other such things, judging from his history.

My point is, even if we could do all that, Jim is the only one who can make his judgement. It is our duty as responsible members of society to speak against rick, to present the damages, and to press court cases to seek reparation, and to punish someone who has done wrong. It is not our place to make up people's minds.

Trying to fight against people making their own choices only hurts our image.

We may not agree with their choices. We may find it best to avoid people who associate with Olney. It is a choice which they must make though.

So, are you saying being a good person is wrong?

[Samuel Catalino]

Sorry but the discussion was coming to an end and there was no need for
any further people against Rick just joining to add to the angry mob.

Blackhawk,

The question Bev was going to ask did not seem out of anger, from what I could tell.

Best,

Samuel

[Papergirl]

Sorry but the discussion was coming to an end and there was no need for
any further people against Rick just joining to add to the angry mob.

Excuse me, but in my "application", I stated point blank that I would remain civil to Olney, so long as HE remains civil to ME. And I've stated so here, as well. Are you now calling MY honesty and integrity into question now?

~Bev

[Yonar]

Nani?

Where in all that did you draw that particular conclusion sir?

I'm confused.

I'm saying that people trying to be good people explains why people don't always see the manipulators around them. It's a problem of society.

I would like to believe that society doesn't need laws and rules telling us not to cheat and steal and take advantage of our good will. But the fact is, some people will take advantage of a second chance, just to hurt you further.

Being aware of that is a life lesson I've learned.

Being a good person is not wrong. But sometimes, there are people who do not change, who being a good person to only opens up their friends to further hurt and avenues of harm.

Thus, my post stands, as written, without further addition nor amendment.

It is your place to take what you will from it, and if it seems I criticize good people, understand merely that I find trust hard to give myself these days, and I think that even the best people must learn to protect themselves. No one can teach you where to draw a line for forgiveness.

Be well, and Be well, and all will be Well.

LP

[Blackhawk]

Excuse me, but in my "application", I stated point blank that I would remain civil to Olney, so long as HE remains civil to ME. And I've stated so here, as well. Are you now calling MY honesty and integrity into question now?

~Bev

No, not really Bev...it just seemed that Rick was one against many so it was ended even before you made your application. Sorry if it seemed that way to you.

[Blackhawk]

Nani?

Where in all that did you draw that particular conclusion sir?

I'm confused.

I'm saying that people trying to be good people explains why people don't always see the manipulators around them. It's a problem of society.

I would like to believe that society doesn't need laws and rules telling us not to cheat and steal and take advantage of our good will. But the fact is, some people will take advantage of a second chance, just to hurt you further.

Being aware of that is a life lesson I've learned.

Being a good person is not wrong. But sometimes, there are people who do not change, who being a good person to only opens up their friends to further hurt and avenues of harm.

Thus, my post stands, as written, without further addition nor amendment.

It is your place to take what you will from it, and if it seems I criticize good people, understand merely that I find trust hard to give myself these days, and I think that even the best people must learn to protect themselves. No one can teach you where to draw a line for forgiveness.

Be well, and Be well, and all will be Well.

LP

Thank you for clearing that up for me!

[Papergirl]

No, not really Bev...it just seemed that Rick was one against many so it was ended even before you made your application. Sorry if it seemed that way to you.
Fine. It's not like I really needed to add yet another forum/list to read and participate in anyway.

Have a great life.

EDITED TO ADD: Interesting. I told Sam that you would wait til after 9 pm to "reject" me. Glad to know I can still read people.

~Bev
Who actually thought the *group* might be interesting, but now sees she was wrong.

[JTPencils]

No, not really Bev...it just seemed that Rick was one against many so it was ended even before you made your application. Sorry if it seemed that way to you.

Well there's a reason it seems like "Rick against so many". He's shafted so many, and through his own action's and words, angered even more. He's burned more bridges then Sherman heading through Atlanta. It's of his own doing. He wrote that dirge himself... so let him face the music!!

I'm not saying you wish to invite a flame war to your boards, and that's understandable. But in Rick's case... anything said to or about him, is generally, well deserved... and earned.