Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[Matt Doc Martin]

Yay! Zoidberg am smrt. ;)

It's pretty cut and dry. I don't think it would take much of a legal scholar to nail Rick on any of this at this point. Hell mostly putting forward what's public knowledge and putting his own words against him...

I love hanging bastards...especially when they provide the rope.

Hi, peanut! Get much sleep the last couple of days?

[Gail Simone]

i blogged out on my experiences with Olney for the first time you can read it here..
http://blog.myspace.com/jrproph3t
if your not my friend on there yet give me an add and ill add you:)
peace :)

Heckler, those pages look very nice, and I'm sorry to read Rick Olney cheated and lied to you as he has everyone else involved.

I repeat, Rick? You're a repulsive lying DEADBEAT.

I can't believe he went even BEYOND the obvious mary sue-ism of 'Magnus Grimoire,' to putting his own pasty head in the stories himself. Disturbing.

Would love to read the script...do you have a copy I can see? gailcbr@yahoo.com

Thanks!

Gail

[Matt Doc Martin]

i blogged out on my experiences with Olney for the first time you can read it here..
http://blog.myspace.com/jrproph3t
if your not my friend on there yet give me an add and ill add you:)
peace :)

awaiting the add, so I can read

[Cam63]

Cam,

I remember Romper Room and the seeing eye, but what is the Romper Stomper?

Best,

Samuel

One of Russell Crowe's earliest movies where he plays the leader of a mob of neo nazi skinheads.

[Danny Donovan]

I love hanging bastards...especially when they provide the rope.

Hi, peanut! Get much sleep the last couple of days?


I doubt he did, considering he hasn't logged onto his Myspace since you posted that thing.

And he hasn't logged onto either of his MMC OR Tightlip accounts since Jan.

I am guessing he must have gotten something from Momma Absurd's very real attorney that baffled Rick's fake attorney.

You know everytime I think of Rick's attorney I sort of imagine Ted from Scrubs

http://youtube.com/watch?v=juxeEibhH10

[Blake Petit]

Except Ted is more realistic.

[Yonar]

I am Wiccan. A practicing solitary for a long time. I know of what my craft
describes as what you think of as karma. It is close, but not the same. Least wise not in my book.

Wheee! A subject I excell at! Comparitive shopping for Religions!

Karma, A hindu term, is used to describe the weight on your soul by the detrius of your negative actions. It is believed that the more negative actions you partake of in your life, the more weight your soul has, and the lower it gets when it next reincarnates. There is no 'Good Karma' in the strictest sense of the word, but doing good things keeps you from getting karma, so that's sort of the same thing, effectively.

The /less/ bad crap you do, the better off you are, in other words, but NOT, neccesarily, in this lifetime.

Wicca has what's called 'The Rule of Three' or the 'Threefold Law'. This rule states that what you do comes back to you threefold, this life, or another. There are entire groups of magic practicioners out there who will happily explain what past life you're paying for now.

The rule of three is inherrantly more 'balanced' than the karma gig. Why? Well, you can try to balance out the bad stuff by actually doing good stuff (Like, for instance, raising funds for a charity and actually donating them).

So, yeah, he's right, it's close, but it's not quite the same. Why? Because he has the opportunity to get punished in this life for the bad crap he's done.

Congrats Rick. Matt's invoked the Rule, and you are Thrice Screwed.

[Samuel Catalino]

It's not state laws, so much as federal ones that he may (what the hell, I'll be charitable here) have broken. By claiming to be raising funds for a specific charity, and then not delivering said funds to said charity, he would indeed be breaking the law. Dick has made claims to raising funds for St. Jude, however, St. Jude has NO RECORDS of such a donation being made from him, MMC, Tightlip, or anyone associated with any of those three. That, I believe (Matt, correct me if I'm wrong here), is the law that he may (again, I'm being charitable here) have broken.

Whether or not he claimed a deduction for it, I have no idea. How would any of us know that, unless a.) one of us did his taxes for him, or b.) he told us himself? That is up to other people with the actual resources and power needed to find out.

~Bev

Bev,

I think what is needed here is if R.O. raised money at the con that was specifically designated for St Jude and that money not reaching St Jude. For that we would need a number of witnesses at the Con who saw a booth or something that designated money going to St Judes. An example would be if there was a booth with the St Judes insigina at that convention and people were putting money in it and that money did not reach St Judes.

Someone claiming to raise funds for a charity but not delivering said funds to the charity may be a bit harder to prove. I could say, I personally am going to donate 1,000 dollars to the Red Cross, but there is nothing that is legal binding me to it. If I were to raise money (going around collecting money from others) under the auspices of it going to the Red Cross, I am bound to deliver the money to the Red Cross. If I don't, then I am in legal trouble.

Can the same be proven about R.O.? I was not at that con, so I can not say. Also remember that the preponderous of evidence in a criminal case is a much higher threshold than a civil one.

The threshold to convict someone in a criminal case is one that is beyond reasonable doubt, and you have to have a lot to convince some juries.

Looking forward to seeing you and Matt in two weeks.

Best,

Samuel

[Reverend Smooth]

Can the same be proven about R.O.? I was not at that con, so I can not say. Also remember that the preponderous of evidence in a criminal case is a much higher threshold than a civil one.
Well, he did at least have that ad promoting his con as raising money for them.

---

Re: Karma-- some regional flavors of buddhism do believe that doing good in this lifetime actually does you good karmically... but not in this lifetime.

In any case, wicca is so not the religion for oathbreakers and frauds.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Bev,

I think what is needed here is if R.O. raised money at the con that was specifically designated for St Jude and that money not reaching St Jude. For that we would need a number of witnesses at the Con who saw a booth or something that designated money going to St Judes. An example would be if there was a booth with the St Judes insigina at that convention and people were putting money in it and that money did not reach St Judes.

Someone claiming to raise funds for a charity but not delivering said funds to the charity may be a bit harder to prove. I could say, I personally am going to donate 1,000 dollars to the Red Cross, but there is nothing that is legal binding me to it. If I were to raise money (going around collecting money from others) under the auspices of it going to the Red Cross, I am bound to deliver the money to the Red Cross. If I don't, then I am in legal trouble.

Can the same be proven about R.O.? I was not at that con, so I can not say. Also remember that the preponderous of evidence in a criminal case is a much higher threshold than a civil one.

The threshold to convict someone in a criminal case is one that is beyond reasonable doubt, and you have to have a lot to convince some juries.

Looking forward to seeing you and Matt in two weeks.

Best,

Samuel

We have proof items were donated to the auction that was to benefit St Judes.

We have proof he used the St Judes name in relation to promoting his con.

We have proof he did teh auction, again, to benefit St Judes.

There is NO proof ANY money was donated by him.

Hence, charity fraud.

You CANNOT use a name/logo like he did without permission. He made money based off the name. It is a VERY simple case of charity fraud. Even the Hamburgler, I mean, Rick's "lawyer", can tell him that.

[Yonar]

Re: Karma-- some regional flavors of buddhism do believe that doing good in this lifetime actually does you good karmically... but not in this lifetime.

In any case, wicca is so not the religion for oathbreakers and frauds.


You're right. But then, there are more regional flavours of Hindi/bhuddist thought than baskin robbins has icecream, so I simplified a bit for the sake of explanation. :)

[Samuel Catalino]

We have proof items were donated to the auction that was to benefit St Judes.

We have proof he used the St Judes name in relation to promoting his con.

We have proof he did teh auction, again, to benefit St Judes.

There is NO proof ANY money was donated by him.

Hence, charity fraud.

You CANNOT use a name/logo like he did without permission. He made money based off the name. It is a VERY simple case of charity fraud. Even the Hamburgler, I mean, Rick's "lawyer", can tell him that.

Matt,

The fraud would come if proof is produced that people donated money(via the auction) to St Judes at the MMC in 2003 and those funds were not received by St Judes.

If you have that evidence, and those funds(which were raised by MMC in the name of St Judes at the convention) did not go to St Judes, R.O. is in a lot of trouble. If you don't have that evidence, you have no fraud case.

As far as the logo is concerned, one can use a cease and desist order, but it is not necessairly criminal, but civil. Now misrepresentation is another matter, and can only be used as fraud if R.O. set himself to be an agent of St Judes and collected funds in their name and did not distribute those funds to St. Judes. That is if R.O. said that at the auction that "all proceeds are to go to St Judes", fails to follow through, then it is fraud



Best,

Samuel

[Matt Doc Martin]

Matt,
Now misrepresentation is another matter, and can only be used as fraud if R.O. set himself to be an agent of St Judes and collected funds in their name and did not distribute those funds to St. Judes. That is if R.O. said that at the auction that "all proceeds are to go to St Judes", fails to follow through, then it is fraud



He did collect funds in their name, and did not actually donate said money to St Judes.

[Yonar]

Matt,

The fraud would come if proof is produced that people donated money(via the auction) to St Judes at the MMC in 2003 and those funds were not received by St Judes.

If you have that evidence, and those funds(which were raised by MMC in the name of St Judes at the convention) did not go to St Judes, R.O. is in a lot of trouble. If you don't have that evidence, you have no fraud case.

As far as the logo is concerned, one can use a cease and desist order, but it is not necessairly criminal, but civil. Now misrepresentation is another matter, and can only be used as fraud if R.O. set himself to be an agent of St Judes and collected funds in their name and did not distribute those funds to St. Judes. That is if R.O. said that at the auction that "all proceeds are to go to St Judes", fails to follow through, then it is fraud



Best,

Samuel

He did collect funds in their name, and did not actually donate said money to St Judes.


Uhm. A) We're not a criminal court, nor lawyers, nor do we know what's been provided to the lawyers (Other than Matt, that is) nor do we know what investigation by the lawyers will reveal, nor what court itself will reveal.

B) All of that doesn't matter. It has been turned over to the proper lawyers and Prosecution will decide if they have a fraud case. They may, which is fine. Even if they don't, it's at least another way that RO has to stand up and face some of what he's done, if nothing else in providing answers to actual people asking hard questions who aren't afraid of him suing them.

This means that it doesn't matter to me whether he makes court or not. If he does, grand. If not, I'll still sit here and smile, and congratulate Matt on a moral victory, and buy the Unscrewed anthology.

So, really, debating about whether there's a fraud case, a civil case, any case, or just a whole lot of Hot Air, it's pointless.

[Samuel Catalino]

He did collect funds in their name, and did not actually donate said money to St Judes.

Matt,

That defines fraud as far as I know.

Best,

Samuel

[Danny Donovan]

I'm curious as to whether anyone has bothered to contact Billy Tucci, as Rick claims it was one of his pieces that brought in the most of the money he claimed to have donated....

Just a thought if you're looking for first hand accounts of the auction. Also I think it was the show that Gail unfortionately attended. She might have some insight to the wording or claims of the auction.

[Condiment King]

Hello Mr. Catalino.

It was mighty perplexing when lunatic-- I mean Olney- when he kept insisting
that I was actually you, or YOU were actually ME.

Or whatever.

Anyway, I can't believe this thing has 12,000 replies.

i originally got involved by calling Olney a "tool" in Dixonverse.

He then immediately threatened to have my .mac account terminated.

And then I got angry.

And now I'm glad to see this towering scumbag getting what's coming to him.

I'm also glad to see many decent folks all united.

In any event, you were like Matches Malone to me, for a while.

Best to All and Ciao.

[Magneto_X]

This means that it doesn't matter to me whether he makes court or not. If he does, grand. If not, I'll still sit here and smile, and congratulate Matt on a moral victory, and buy the Unscrewed anthology.


I bet Olney, and wife, are either gathering their belongings for and/or on the road in the Van of Justice once they got the first summons.

Olney is to much of a chicken to be in a court room. That'd mean he wasn't "in control" of his life.

Someone get Dog the Bounty Hunter! ;)

[Danny Donovan]

Forget Dog, get Cartman and Go with Christ!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BL_5ICi0vC0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WqKOWTLqcGE&mode=related&search=

lol.

I don't believe he'll show in court but then again I've been astounded by the levels of insanity this sordid affair.

[the heckler]

Ah! Zac! I was wondering who "the heckler" was!
yeah this is the first time really bringing it up i wanted to see if keeping quite would actually make a difference and it dosent. theres still talk about violating the NDA but im pretty sure getting lied to repeatedly and deliquentcy on payment already violated whatever agreement we had.
I sent an add request.
you should be added, thanx :)
Heckler, those pages look very nice, and I'm sorry to read Rick Olney cheated and lied to you as he has everyone else involved.

I repeat, Rick? You're a repulsive lying DEADBEAT.

I can't believe he went even BEYOND the obvious mary sue-ism of 'Magnus Grimoire,' to putting his own pasty head in the stories himself. Disturbing.

Would love to read the script...do you have a copy I can see? gailcbr@yahoo.com

Thanks!

Gail


thanx! :) i dont anymore i dont think, i probably shouldnt disclose anything that i dont have ownership of anyway. It looks like my case may turn into a legal matter as well.

ps. is this the record for biggest CBR thread ever?? i hardly venture out of the marvel bitching theads lol ..those get big somtimes but i dont notice too many 200,000 posters heheh:) -z

[Magneto_X]

Some of the Rumble threads (Superman vs Palpatine, Robin [TT:TAS] vs Batman [Timm-verse], Batgirl vs 10,000 Orcs etc) can be *very* big.

Plus there are the numerous Community/Rumbles RPG threads like CBR: The Movie.

[Larry Dixon]

Larry,

you are easily the most Goddam Fucking Cool Motherfuckka that I know.

You need to know more people. *big grin*
Seriously, thank you. You're awesome too.

Atop all else, I'm also, as of yesterday, Claremore's most newly diagnosed type 1 diabetic. *sigh* Regimentation and recordkeeping and needles every day... but on the good side my vision and a couple of dozen other things should improve.

I am privileged and proud to have been able to help my fellow man, and I really do mean it. Up until I was in my mid-teens, I was very independent and a classic weird loner, but then it dawned on me that Other People Really Do Matter, and my life's been enriched. Then again maybe it's because I'm an Okie. :)

Also---welcome, everyone who is posting here that I haven't greeted yet!

And, on the topic, I just got a sweet note from Mike Grell, sigged with, "Life is drawing without an eraser." Would it follow that someone who habitually tries to erase therefore has no life?

[Danny Donovan]

I have a feeling there will be a new Rick blog soon. ^_^

Seems he's recently logged into his myspace account, and made a new friend. lol. Apperently he's got Nino on his top whatever list.

[Larry Dixon]

Funny, you seem disinclined to practice the Rede, ('An it harm none, do as thou wilt'), which is not optional, but an integral part of the religion, even for solitaries.

Misty calls solitary witches "Craft Singles." :) Unwrap one today!

[Yonar]

Misty calls solitary witches "Craft Singles." :) Unwrap one today!

Mmmm, Unwrapping wiccans can be a grab bag of surprises you know..

[bert]

And, on the topic, I just got a sweet note from Mike Grell, sigged with, "Life is drawing without an eraser." Would it follow that someone who habitually tries to erase therefore has no life?

Well. . prolly more along the lines of their life is like an "Erasermate" pen --

it seems like it's such a great invention, and that you can erase what you did. .but if you aren't really careful when using them, you end up w/a big smudge that just ruins whatever you were writing -- no matter how nice the prose was.

[Reverend Smooth]

Misty calls solitary witches "Craft Singles." :) Unwrap one today!
That's so cute. XD

[NatGertler]

I was a little concerned about the maximum leverage for St. Jude when I saw that the image which Rick used was published for trademark opposition after his event (see federal trademark registration # 2830868), but then I saw that it was just a variation on a design that had been trademarked in 1998 (registration # 2151779) and which is still a live registration.

[G-Spot]

Does anyone else find his "Tightlip Ent." MySpace pic insulting and arrogant?

http://a241.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/28/m_e0947d045bc6f8c983e18acb08298eb8.jpg

http://www.myspace.com/tightlipentertainment

[Matt Doc Martin]

Does anyone else find his "Tightlip Ent." MySpace pic insulting and arrogant?

http://a241.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/28/m_e0947d045bc6f8c983e18acb08298eb8.jpg


Nah. Like Rick, it is banal and inconsequential.

[wishlish]

Well you sound like someone who will achieve their goals, that is what makes this hobby/indurty so great even with folks like Rick.

I'm hoping, I'm hoping. :)

[wishlish]

You need to know more people. *big grin*
Seriously, thank you. You're awesome too.

Atop all else, I'm also, as of yesterday, Claremore's most newly diagnosed type 1 diabetic. *sigh* Regimentation and recordkeeping and needles every day... but on the good side my vision and a couple of dozen other things should improve.

I am privileged and proud to have been able to help my fellow man, and I really do mean it. Up until I was in my mid-teens, I was very independent and a classic weird loner, but then it dawned on me that Other People Really Do Matter, and my life's been enriched. Then again maybe it's because I'm an Okie. :)

Also---welcome, everyone who is posting here that I haven't greeted yet!

And, on the topic, I just got a sweet note from Mike Grell, sigged with, "Life is drawing without an eraser." Would it follow that someone who habitually tries to erase therefore has no life?

Larry, you've got my best wishes and prayers, man. (You can pick your own god or goddess for them. I'm open-minded.)

As for Grell...you know, one of the joys of being a comics fan is that most artists and writers in comics are great human beings. There are a few cranks and jerks, but I've yet to meet them in person. Every person I've met in comics, from Colleen Doran and Gene Colan in person to online conversations with a few writers and artists, makes me glad I love comics. We're all fighting Olney, to be sure, but I'm glad he's the rare exception.

(I'm in a good mood. Just finished the Absolute DC- The New Frontier. Oh my, was that a fun read. It's flawed as a novel, but as a work with glorious art and fun superhero moments, I'm willing to forgive its few imperfections and embrace the joy you get from reading the project. If you've got the ducats, shell them out on this beauty, folks.)

[Samuel Catalino]

Hello Mr. Catalino.

It was mighty perplexing when lunatic-- I mean Olney- when he kept insisting
that I was actually you, or YOU were actually ME.

Or whatever.

Anyway, I can't believe this thing has 12,000 replies.

i originally got involved by calling Olney a "tool" in Dixonverse.

He then immediately threatened to have my .mac account terminated.

And then I got angry.

And now I'm glad to see this towering scumbag getting what's coming to him.

I'm also glad to see many decent folks all united.

In any event, you were like Matches Malone to me, for a while.

Best to All and Ciao.

Hello Mr. Condiment King,

Which is why I came on that area to discredit the person who called you "Mr. Catalino". I only wish some person who thought that was a joke for that person (who informed me that was not Olney who called you by my name) shared my sensitivity about that issue. I spoke to Chuck Dixon briefly on that matter and expressed my displeasure about that incident as I did not find it amusing.

I also saw R.O. blog with his accusation of you being me, and he should know better. I had already dealt with him in the yahoo SPA group under my name, and have no reason to battle with him via a sockpuppet.

My condolences and sincere apologies that some of the bile that R.O. has for me was unfairly directed at you.

Best,

Samuel

[Samuel Catalino]

I have a feeling there will be a new Rick blog soon. ^_^

Seems he's recently logged into his myspace account, and made a new friend. lol. Apperently he's got Nino on his top whatever list.


Danny,

I feel sorry for anyone that is on R.O.'s list.

Best,

Samuel

[THEDOC]

wow. .

I graduated from Bellaire :)

I occasionally went to Nan's (but that was more for the video games).

my shop of choice was "Roy's House of Memories". . where I picked up Metal Men #2 (the start of a lifelong infatuation) during one of Roy's mega-sales. I remember begging my parents to take me there after we went to the Flea Market off of 59 & the curve).

ah. . memories. I haven't looked for Roy's in years (haven't lived in Houston since the mid 80's), but I think they went out of buisness. the last time I saw the store, it was off of Fondren, I believe.

I used to shop there a lot. I still e-mail Roy on occasion. He had this one disply where someone had made tiny figures of Golden Age heroes and he was surprised I could name them all.
Gee bert, you might have missed the mini cons held by Larry Taylor in the late 80's?

[bert]

I used to shop there a lot. I still e-mail Roy on occasion. He had this one disply where someone had made tiny figures of Golden Age heroes and he was surprised I could name them all.
Gee bert, you might have missed the mini cons held by Larry Taylor in the late 80's?

yeah, I missed all those. I moved up to Austin in 86-87. . and for a little while, I still had a hold box at Roy's (that was when it was on Fondren. . but by then, they had gotten way more into music collectibles and stuff. . so I just went ahead and moved my comics habit up to Austin w/ me).

I only went to Roy's occasionally when they were off the freeway. . but damn, when he moved to Westbury Square (under the clock tower) -- and I happened to work in a store that was *also* in Westbury Square? I was there several times a week, and used to go in on comics day and help them count (I have fond memories of pulling my own "pull list" from the new comics that were stacked on the countertops after they had just finished counting).

I occasionally shopped at a store near Nan's that was in a converted house. Huge selection, but I can't recall the name. . Forbidden Planet? maybe

I hope Roy is doing well. . .not that he would remember me, but please pass along my "best wishes" next time you email him, and let him know that former customers still have GREAT memories of his store!

[Corrina]

(I'm in a good mood. Just finished the Absolute DC- The New Frontier. Oh my, was that a fun read. It's flawed as a novel, but as a work with glorious art and fun superhero moments, I'm willing to forgive its few imperfections and embrace the joy you get from reading the project. If you've got the ducats, shell them out on this beauty, folks.)

If you can only own one superhero story, it should be this one.

[Danny Donovan]

If you can only own one superhero story, it should be this one.

Darwin Cooke just stole that for the second printing book cover. :p

[bert]

Darwin Cooke just stole that for the second printing book cover. :p

I still like the other one they're debating going with:

"It's WAY less shitty than Identity Crisis!"

[TomStillwell]

I still like the other one they're debating going with:

"It's WAY less shitty than Identity Crisis!"

Or

100% Rape Free

[sk716]

Or

100% Rape Free

That should be a cover blurb on the Unscrewed! Anthology.

[neko onna]

Does anyone else find his "Tightlip Ent." MySpace pic insulting and arrogant?

http://a241.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/28/m_e0947d045bc6f8c983e18acb08298eb8.jpg

http://www.myspace.com/tightlipentertainment
I love that pic. I have been using it for a while now....damn him for soiling it!!!

[THEDOC]

yeah, I missed all those. I moved up to Austin in 86-87. . and for a little while, I still had a hold box at Roy's (that was when it was on Fondren. . but by then, they had gotten way more into music collectibles and stuff. . so I just went ahead and moved my comics habit up to Austin w/ me).

I only went to Roy's occasionally when they were off the freeway. . but damn, when he moved to Westbury Square (under the clock tower) -- and I happened to work in a store that was *also* in Westbury Square? I was there several times a week, and used to go in on comics day and help them count (I have fond memories of pulling my own "pull list" from the new comics that were stacked on the countertops after they had just finished counting).

I occasionally shopped at a store near Nan's that was in a converted house. Huge selection, but I can't recall the name. . Forbidden Planet? maybe

I hope Roy is doing well. . .not that he would remember me, but please pass along my "best wishes" next time you email him, and let him know that former customers still have GREAT memories of his store!

I remember that location. Now I can't seem to remember where everything is in Houston though I know Capital City's warehouse was off Alt Route 90.
Last time I talked to him he was doing quite well. I have a tape he and others were in doing a Captain America Serial type movie, I think they made it in 1970 or so.

That sounds like 3rd Planet that still seems to do a bit of on-line stuff.

[Cam63]

Forget Dog, get Cartman and Go with Christ!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BL_5ICi0vC0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WqKOWTLqcGE&mode=related&search=

lol.

I don't believe he'll show in court but then again I've been astounded by the levels of insanity this sordid affair.

If he goes, do you think he'll wear dress blues or the khaki version of the Marine uniform ?

...and how many times will he remind the judge he was " honorably discharged " ?

[Reverend Smooth]

If he goes, do you think he'll wear dress blues or the khaki version of the Marine uniform ?

...and how many times will he remind the judge he was " honorably discharged " ?Judge: Don't make me honorably discharge all over your face.

[Cam63]

You need to know more people. *big grin*
Seriously, thank you. You're awesome too.

Atop all else, I'm also, as of yesterday, Claremore's most newly diagnosed type 1 diabetic. *sigh* Regimentation and recordkeeping and needles every day... but on the good side my vision and a couple of dozen other things should improve.

I am privileged and proud to have been able to help my fellow man, and I really do mean it. Up until I was in my mid-teens, I was very independent and a classic weird loner, but then it dawned on me that Other People Really Do Matter, and my life's been enriched. Then again maybe it's because I'm an Okie. :)

Also---welcome, everyone who is posting here that I haven't greeted yet!

And, on the topic, I just got a sweet note from Mike Grell, sigged with, "Life is drawing without an eraser." Would it follow that someone who habitually tries to erase therefore has no life?

You may get a Nobel Peace Prize nom' from me next year.

Good luck with the diabetes, mate.

[Cam63]

Judge: Don't make me honorably discharge all over your face.

You guys have weirder judges than the Poms.

[Flamebird]

Shut up! The man is a genious! He came up with Frankenbog! Half Frankenstein, half cyborg, half jewish, half swedish, all woman!


But wouldn't that be "FrankenBERG ?


Yes I'm STILL way behind, darn this pesky "real-life thing" gettin in the way of watching the christians(and wiccans, and pagans, etc...), slaughter the wanna-be lion.

[Cam63]

That's Fronkenboig !

[Reverend Smooth]

You guys have weirder judges than the Poms.
Judge Judy would pimpslap him back to the days of the mullet-haired Superman. >o

[Cam63]

...Then pimpslap whoever gave Superman a mullet.

Bloody bogans...

[PatrickG]

Judge Judy would pimpslap him back to the days of the mullet-haired Superman. >o

It cracked me up to see a mulleted Superman in SHOWCASE PRESENTS SUPERMAN #2. Blanking on which issue it was reprinted from but it was one I'd never read.

[Reverend Smooth]

...Then pimpslap whoever gave Superman a mullet.

Bloody bogans...
The only person whose mullet looks like it actually belongs on their head is Dog the Bounty Hunter. His hair was born to be in a mullet.
It cracked me up to see a mulleted Superman in SHOWCASE PRESENTS SUPERMAN #2. Blanking on which issue it was reprinted from but it was one I'd never read.I remember the 80's and 90's with nostalgia, but not the mullets. They looked ok at the time, (...well, maybe not, but...) but man, do they look dated now.

[Samuel Catalino]

That's Fronkenboig !

Cam,

Wouldn't that make him from Broiklyn?

Best,

Samuel

[Cam63]

Cam,

Wouldn't that make him from Broiklyn?

Best,

Samuel

Mmmmmayyyybe.

[Corrina]

Or

100% Rape Free

Well, actually, it might not be. Remember the sequence with Wonder Woman in East Asia?
Though that rape has consequences, at least for the rapists. :)

[Hybrid2]

I ran into a storie that may or may not involve RO.

Someone on diviantart,talked about a bad experiance.involving NDA and not geting paid for work done and treats.(sound like anyone familiar?)

He was asked to do draw a few images.
when the time came to sent them,using mail.he said the work will be dilevered once he get is payment.

that was last september and the package is still there,ready to go.

future e-mails where unanswered,when they where replyed very quickly before.

Then recently,i gess.got a e-mail.
"the representative suddenly appeared. Telling me he no longer is associated with the corporation and that the project was to push through and 'reminding' me of my agreement to them not to disclose anything."

The person did'nt mantion any names.And odviously i cant say where i found this.without permission from the person who wrote it.

[Danny Donovan]

I ran into a storie that may or may not involve RO.

Someone on diviantart,talked about a bad experiance.involving NDA and not geting paid for work done and treats.(sound like anyone familiar?)

He was asked to do draw a few images.
when the time came to sent them,using mail.he said the work will be dilevered once he get is payment.

that was last september and the package is still there,ready to go.

future e-mails where unanswered,when they where replyed very quickly before.

Then recently,i gess.got a e-mail.


The person did'nt mantion any names.And odviously i cant say where i found this.without permission from the person who wrote it.

I would suggest you pass a link to Unscrewed (http://www.unscrewedcomic.com) and if it behooves them to join great. ;)

The timeline sounds right. I wish I could see the art in question to see if I recognize the person and place them with what was going on around that time but I respect the privacy. :)

[Sarah Beach]

Yup, the circumstances and behavior sound about right. That is, rather like RO's standard operating procedure.

How many people has he treated this way?

I know we started trying to tot up the amounts of money contracted. But now, I'm wondering how many people have gotten this treatment? I mean, it's not as if the comics world is a HUGE arena.

[Papergirl]

Yup, the circumstances and behavior sound about right. That is, rather like RO's standard operating procedure.

How many people has he treated this way?

I know we started trying to tot up the amounts of money contracted. But now, I'm wondering how many people have gotten this treatment? I mean, it's not as if the comics world is a HUGE arena.
Trying to total THAT mess up and keep track of it is something even I cringe at the thought of! :eek:

~Bev

[DocAbsurd]

I'm gonna start going thru page-by-page and list everyone who's come forward. Then I'm going thru my PMs and emails and add them. When that's done, I'll ask Gail and anyone else who's gotten another screw-story to just give me their name (in strictest confidentiality) so we can have some sort of running tab.

*shudder*

I can feel my soul being sucked away at the very thought of it.



Doc 'Hold Me' Absurd

[TCJohnson]

But wouldn't that be "FrankenBERG ?


Yes I'm STILL way behind, darn this pesky "real-life thing" gettin in the way of watching the christians(and wiccans, and pagans, etc...), slaughter the wanna-be lion.

I was thinking more of her probably creator, Frankenstein.

[Yonar]

Yup, the circumstances and behavior sound about right. That is, rather like RO's standard operating procedure.

How many people has he treated this way?

I know we started trying to tot up the amounts of money contracted. But now, I'm wondering how many people have gotten this treatment? I mean, it's not as if the comics world is a HUGE arena.

I'm really rather frightened about that, since there's a lot of people on DevArt trying to get into comics, and get their art out there for exposure. And I know at least one person out there who works Commmisions, who'd jump at any earnest seeming offer given to her.

Now I've got to write her, and warn her about Olney. Gah.

This si frightening, if he's not only screwing the comics community, but the artist community, that's /much larger/ and dear lord, the opportunities. Next he'll be trolling fan writers...

[SteveForbes]

I'm really rather frightened about that, since there's a lot of people on DevArt trying to get into comics, and get their art out there for exposure. And I know at least one person out there who works Commmisions, who'd jump at any earnest seeming offer given to her.

Now I've got to write her, and warn her about Olney. Gah.

This si frightening, if he's not only screwing the comics community, but the artist community, that's /much larger/ and dear lord, the opportunities. Next he'll be trolling fan writers...

I've been reading along and thinking about this, and have recently joined up with something to protect me. Basically, it's a plan to have a lawyer to look over your contracts/nda's (10 pages or less) to see how legal they are (or aren't). They'll also go to court with you if you're sued. If you run into legal problems (like the Olney problem), they'll also go to bat for you: writing letters and/or starting the process of going to court to help you in your battle.

There are also a lot of other areas that you can be helped with, all for an extremely low price. (Actually, ridiculously low. Honestly.)

Personally, I think a lot of you could have been saved a LOT of heartache and trouble if you were a part of this service.

For those interested, PM me or send me an e-mail at sforbes14@cox.net, and I can tell you more about this service. I don't want it to seem like I'm trying to sell you something- I just want you all to be able to protect yourselves with some preventative maintenance.

-(just trying to be helpful) llama

[THEDOC]

I'm gonna start going thru page-by-page and list everyone who's come forward. Then I'm going thru my PMs and emails and add them. When that's done, I'll ask Gail and anyone else who's gotten another screw-story to just give me their name (in strictest confidentiality) so we can have some sort of running tab.

*shudder*

I can feel my soul being sucked away at the very thought of it.



Doc 'Hold Me' Absurd



I was just able to open up my old hard drive that got fried during the summer and have access to my saved my on the old AOL account and have some e-mails from Rick so going to go through them and see what I can find.

[Danny Donovan]

I've been reading along and thinking about this, and have recently joined up with something to protect me. Basically, it's a plan to have a lawyer to look over your contracts/nda's (10 pages or less) to see how legal they are (or aren't). They'll also go to court with you if you're sued. If you run into legal problems (like the Olney problem), they'll also go to bat for you: writing letters and/or starting the process of going to court to help you in your battle.

There are also a lot of other areas that you can be helped with, all for an extremely low price. (Actually, ridiculously low. Honestly.)

Personally, I think a lot of you could have been saved a LOT of heartache and trouble if you were a part of this service.

For those interested, PM me or send me an e-mail at sforbes14@cox.net, and I can tell you more about this service. I don't want it to seem like I'm trying to sell you something- I just want you all to be able to protect yourselves with some preventative maintenance.

-(just trying to be helpful) llama

That's a good idea Steve!

[SteveForbes]

That's a good idea Steve!

If'n you're interested, Danny, shoot me a PM or e-mail.

-llama

[Gail Simone]

I was just able to open up my old hard drive that got fried during the summer and have access to my saved my on the old AOL account and have some e-mails from Rick so going to go through them and see what I can find.

Ooooooh. Interesting.

Gail

[THEDOC]

Ooooooh. Interesting.

Gail

Hmm nothing yet Gail, still checking.
I did find however Jerry Ordway's e-mail so told him about Olney and The Unscrewed Project so hope he can assist.

[THEDOC]

Well this isn't incriminating, it just shows how paranoid Rick could be:

Subj: Sent From Mighty Mini Con Forum by admin
Date: 3/7/2006 11:40:33 AM Central Standard Time
From: orcafresh@yahoo.com
To: doc0715@aol.com
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Hello DOC

You received the following message from: admin (orcafresh@yahoo.com)

At: http://www.mightyminicon.com/forum/

DOC,
Couple of things I wanted to talk with you about:

First -- I tried using my members features over on IF and got an Invalid_session on my attempts to post.
Why?

That got me thinking of the roller coaster ride you and I have been on previously -- and I thought we had cleared the air. You realized why I asked to have the TIGHTLIP ENTERTAINMENT forum removed on IF and you got re-established on the MMC.

But, again, I always have troubles on your website. And when I went to clean out my inbox there ... I found a IM from you from last October. I read it. I tried to respond to you and got the Invalid_session.

Here is what I replied:

Wow... has it been that long since I stopped in here?

Lance,
I once knew a guy that had a junk yard dog. He had gotten the dog as a pup, and the dog was loyal to him. Thing was, people that used to visit this guys junk yard to buy spare car parts were either afraid of the dog because it would bark at them ... or because they'd assume that the dog was tied-up all the time. Seeing it was tied-up, they'd unfairly throws sticks and stuff at the dog sometime.

Time passed and the dog remained loyal to his owner. Meanwhile in town, people had this impression that the dog was mean and would bite anyone in a heart baet. Nothing was further from the point. The dog was fine long as he wasn't poked or prodded. To the few Junk Yard customers that had taken the time to talk to the dog; sometimes bothering enough to stop by where he rested...the dog was friendly.

Lance, I'm just like that dog. And small press is just like that dog's owner.

I've heard that people have opinions about the ICC because I have a small hand in it. As a self publisher, fan club founder, concept creator... why shouldn't I? Should I skulk away because you or anyone feels uncomfortable?

Lance, like that dog... I'll be friendly to those that don't poke me. I'll also be friendly to anyone NOT spreading evil, malicious, or untrue rumors. Life will handle the others.

I'm not your enemy. And a bark isn't a bite.

How's about fixing my account on IF. Please?

Regards,
~Rick

[THEDOC]

Here is another one:
Subj: Sent From Mighty Mini Con Forum by admin
Date: 2/6/2006 6:40:42 AM Central Standard Time
From: orcafresh@yahoo.com
To: doc0715@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)



Hello DOC

You received the following message from: admin (orcafresh@yahoo.com)

At: http://www.mightyminicon.com/forum/

Hi Lance,
Kindly remove my TightLip Entertainment section on IF containing Mighty Mini-Con, the ICC and whatever else is there as soon as possible. Thanks. This is a legal decision. I want you to know I appreciate the space you allowed us use of for that time period.

Regards,
~Rick
TightLip Entertainment

[THEDOC]

Well here is one this is when I got banned for using "History holds tightly to her truths". Of course when I got back to MMC all my posts were gone and he implyed a hacker (most likely Ian, yeah right) deleted my posts.:

Subj: Re: Apologies Extended
Date: 1/20/2006 11:26:21 PM Central Standard Time
From: orcafresh@gmail.com
To: Doc0715@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)



Yes, Doc... by all means return to the MMC community and I'll restore your post count.

I really try hard to not talk about Shires, but I keep getting my message board messed with and my tracking engines (which I have two, and three IP traps within the modules keep picking him up ... or someone masked like him. I'm actually getting to the point where when I get the go ahead to take legal action I'm going to. And, of course what really hurts personally is that once upon a time I did know Ian and Kathy Shires personally. Anyway...

Do me one small favor?

Try not to feel compelled or the need to give me advice. It feels more like you're like a rundown old bastard. I'm a smart guy. I just need to work Shires out of my system...that's the way I am. My friends are my friends forever ... despite blow-ups ... we always seem to find our way back. My enemies are misguided and small minded people that allow their perception of me to climb up inside them until they hate. me. I really don't have many enemies. Just that certain someone that enters my website illegally and removes his 7-8 smilies attached and locked in by ASP code security changes to dimestoreproductions.com, erases only certain MMC members who are also SPA members, and places a password keylogger hidden but not unfindable on my system ... then swears it wasn't him while he cries and whines to his friends and contacts that somebody did the exact same thing to him AFTER he smuggly offers to "help me" figure out who it was.

Thing is, I think Marty might've been responsible too. But I'll never have proof so I've cut him loose. Anyway... no more Shires talk between us. The ICC is already doing things that SPA isn't geared (nor will they ever be geared) to handle.

Now, hearing that you're headed to Jersey is great! When? The next MMC is June 3rd & 4th. The fall one is in September on the 16th and 17th. If you'll be close, let me know!

Great that you're helping Jerry. Great guy! Shared emails with him a few times and met him in person once at a golden and silver age creators con back in 1999, I think? It was either 1999 or 2000.

And yes, I'd enjoy having my TightLip Entertainment forum back on your website to post on all things TLE and ICC related. I know you have not visited the ICC egroup lately. You should.

I guess I'll wait to see what happens between us next. Thanks for accepting my apology.



On 1/20/06, Doc0715@aol.com <Doc0715@aol.com> wrote:
Hey Rick,
Well I am not out to spy on anyone as I think you know and have no allegiance to any one group over another. I am just trying to do what I can to preserve the spirit of Fandom before us.
I was going to take that wording off that night I got banned, hopefully I will able to visit again.
Yeah Ian has a Hall of Fame planned but that is fine if it shines a spotlight on creators then more power to him. Folks who know me, know what I am about.
Maybe we will meet one day as my wife and I plan to be in Jersey in the spring so who knows.
Yes, Matt sent me some copies of Ultrazine and they were really kewl I didn't pay attention to Small Press in the 80's as I should have so have a lot of catching up to do. I am more a fan of the 60's 70's era and now trying to help Jerry Bails with a project.
If I were you Rick I would just concentrate on IC and MMC and don't get sucked into any controversy I think you have a good heart and getting side track takes away from what you need to accomplish.
If you still want to tie the MMC with INTERFANology I think we can work something out.
Ciao
DOC



--
Sincerely,
--Rick

Rick Olney
TightLip Entertainment
www.mightyminicon.com

[Sarah Beach]

So, let me get this straight.

First (in February), he asks you to remove all the accesses for TLE, MMC, etc (which I'd think would include his own account, sort of?). And then in March, asks you to reinstate his personal access? All with the story of the junk yard dog, to which he likens himself. Ooooookay.

CHANGE THE WORLD TO SUIT ME TODAY! EVEN IF IT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I ASKED FOR YESTERDAY! I EXPECT YOU TO READ MY MIND ON THESE THINGS! ~RO

[THEDOC]

last ones I could find, like I said nothing incriminating so if he has stuff I said about Ian and SPA then I want to see it. Again Ian, I apologies if I said anything bad.
There were a lot more of these but I deleted them as I was getting pissed with each passing moment.

Subj: Re: Sent From Mighty Mini Con Forum by admin
Date: 12/27/2005 10:20:03 PM Central Standard Time
From: orcafresh@yahoo.com
To: Doc0715@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)



What!?

DOC, I asked you a question that pertains to a quoite
you've posted on my message boards. Failure to explain
means that you are not being friendly nor cooperative.
And why is that? It was a sincere question.

--- Doc0715@aol.com wrote:

> I am not gonna answer that. I liked the phrase. Nuff
> said! Either you trust
> me or you don't.
>


Sincerely,
--Rick

Rick Olney
TightLip Entertainment
www.mightyminicon.com
"Lux Mentis, Lux Orbis"

Subj: Re: Sent From Mighty Mini Con Forum by admin
Date: 12/27/2005 10:23:46 PM Central Standard Time
From: orcafresh@yahoo.com
To: Doc0715@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)



What has "Ian" have to do with this?

You posted the quote on MY board. Kindly answer my
question.

No, better yet -- REMOVE the quote from your signature
or be dropped. I'm not playing games with people any
more that can't talk to me without bringing Ian
Shires, paranoia, or are elusive in their replies.

Failure to comply will get you removed.

--- Doc0715@aol.com wrote:

> Because that is the perception you give. No one else
> has asked about it or is
> bothered, not even Ian.
>


Sincerely,
--Rick

Rick Olney
TightLip Entertainment
www.mightyminicon.com
"Lux Mentis, Lux Orbis"

[THEDOC]

So, let me get this straight.

First (in February), he asks you to remove all the accesses for TLE, MMC, etc (which I'd think would include his own account, sort of?). And then in March, asks you to reinstate his personal access? All with the story of the junk yard dog, to which he likens himself. Ooooookay.

CHANGE THE WORLD TO SUIT ME TODAY! EVEN IF IT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I ASKED FOR YESTERDAY! I EXPECT YOU TO READ MY MIND ON THESE THINGS! ~RO

On my site I gave him catagories for MMC and ICC which he or Tim could post updates. Then he sent me the above e-mail so I deleted the catagories and I never could figure out why unless he was afraid about spies and such.
He had trouble logging into his personal account whuich was a system thing not me as at that poiint I was getting spammed and soon after the site got hacked. Hmmm wonder by whom.

[Sarah Beach]

So you said:
Originally emailed by THEDOC
If I were you Rick I would just concentrate on IC and MMC and don't get sucked into any controversy I think you have a good heart and getting side track takes away from what you need to accomplish.
If you still want to tie the MMC with INTERFANology I think we can work something out.

And he responds --

Originally emailed back by RO
Try not to feel compelled or the need to give me advice. It feels more like you're like a rundown old bastard. I'm a smart guy. I just need to work Shires out of my system...that's the way I am. My friends are my friends forever ... despite blow-ups ... we always seem to find our way back. My enemies are misguided and small minded people that allow their perception of me to climb up inside them until they hate. me. I really don't have many enemies.

I know we've seen a lot of this, but really! He does have a way of jumping hard (and insultingly) on something that was intended in the best. <shakes head>

Something seriously wrong there (and not with you, Doc!).

[THEDOC]

Opps found more this was when I went nuts and couldn't believe he was doing to me what supoposedly he had had this done to him on SPA.:

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Date: 12/27/2005 10:32:04 PM Central Standard Time
From: orcafresh@yahoo.com
To: Doc0715@aol.com
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I'm going to ask a couple of astute DC comics readers.
But obviously, until I can confirm that -- I still
would like you to remove it. Thank you.

--- Doc0715@aol.com wrote:

> I did explain, read the books. It refers to the fact
> that no matter how you
> try to change history it will always go back to what
> is true about itself. In
> DC lingo there will always be a Batman and Superman.
>
>


Sincerely,
--Rick

Rick Olney
TightLip Entertainment
www.mightyminicon.com
"Lux Mentis, Lux Orbis"




Subj: Re: Sent From Mighty Mini Con Forum by admin
Date: 12/27/2005 10:38:56 PM Central Standard Time
From: orcafresh@yahoo.com
To: Doc0715@aol.com
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Yeah, but there won't be that quote on my message
board. Sorry. Take care and have a nice 2006.

--- Doc0715@aol.com wrote:

> I did explain, read the books. It refers to the fact
> that no matter how you
> try to change history it will always go back to what
> is true about itself. In
> DC lingo there will always be a Batman and Superman.
>
>


Sincerely,
--Rick

Rick Olney
TightLip Entertainment
www.mightyminicon.com
"Lux Mentis, Lux Orbis"

Subj: Re: Sent From Mighty Mini Con Forum by admin
Date: 12/28/2005 11:11:53 AM Central Standard Time
From: orcafresh@yahoo.com
To: Doc0715@aol.com
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DOC,

Not to forget to mention this post by you:

"guess my memory is going but who are you working
for? And if you are not why not and would you like a
script??"

DOC Boucher
www.inter-fan.org
"In MY universe....EVERYONE wins!"

"History holds tightly to it's truths!"

"I really hate this cosmic stuff!"

LOOK: Nobody I know would consider that anything but
tacky and trollish. I've been around enough people and
message boards to know a bottom feeder when I see one.
I don't need that kind of poor behavior on my website.


--- Doc0715@aol.com wrote:

> You banned me before I got a chance to answer back?
> You didn't even give me a
> chance to take that off? I explained what that was
> and you could have asked
> any in your group who are DC fans what that meant.
> If this is how you do things
> I can see why others have left your site and why ICC
> won't work. I have never
> given you any reason to do that. You are just peeved
> that I couldn't help
> with your group. And you talk about others being
> dictatorial. Rethink your
> decision please.
>


Sincerely,
--Rick

Rick Olney
TightLip Entertainment
www.mightyminicon.com
"Lux Mentis, Lux Orbis"

Subj: Re: Sent From Mighty Mini Con Forum by admin
Date: 12/28/2005 10:57:59 AM Central Standard Time
From: orcafresh@yahoo.com
To: Doc0715@aol.com
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DOC:

> You banned me before I got a chance to answer back?
> You didn't even give me a
> chance to take that off? I explained what that was
> and you could have asked
> any in your group who are DC fans what that meant.

DOC, I look at it this way; It is my website, my
message boards, and I'm particular where quotes are
concerned. I asked you about it and you responded
implying I was paranoid. I replied back asserting it
wasn't paranoia (which I am DONE with anyone that uses
that word regarding me. All it is is a form of mild
libel in print or slander in vocal communications) and
you replied back that regardless of my request ... you
were keeping it. And I hadn't then yet asked you to
remove it. You wrongly anticipated me. I then ask and
then told you to remove it, using "kindly".

> If this is how you do things
> I can see why others have left your site and why ICC
> won't work.

And see, you judge me yet again. You don't even know
me. If you did, you'd know that it takes a lot to get
me to this point.

So the ICC won't work? Bullshit. You don't know a
feckin' thing about what is being worked on behind the
scenes of the ICC. And why would you... you quit.

And regarding "others" leaving my site... I don't
rightly give a fiddler's fuck. Some of them were at
best just ambulance chasers, a few others were spies,
and anyone that remains is of the character that
doesn't have them acting as you have.

> I have never
> given you any reason to do that. You are just peeved
> that I couldn't help
> with your group.

DOC, I'm not peeved about nothing where your previous
pledge to link the IF group with the MMC are
concerned. You don't have the vision to pull off your
own goals -- much less have the drive to assist anyone
else. You can tag along over at the SPA and get
whatever you're trying to achieve. If I'm going to
focus on history and aged creators, I'll do it AFTER
the ICC has instituted
something to assist LIVING creators.

And, as far as the ICC -- You're not blocked or
excluded there. You exclude yourself. You have no
faith in me, or in Tim if you think the ICC will fail.
You speak from obvious ignorance. Which isn't to say
that YOU'RE ignorant, because I am not saying that.
You just seem to have it in your mind that we'll fail.
And you're wrong.

> And you talk about others being
> dictatorial. Rethink your
> decision please.

No, my decision stands. You can peg it as
"dictatorial" if you like. I see you as an apple that
has turned brown and destined to rot. I don't want you
mixing in and discoloring the rest of what anyone says
or does on the MMC. And I have no doubt you'll need to
cry and whine about what I've done and how I've
treated you to others. Either that, or you'll puff
your chest out and say all kinds of things that paint
me in an unsavory imaage to others. That's the
pettiness that exists in small press and certain
circles. The 'rot' of anything touched by the SPA. You
and your website are infected by it. That's why nobody
goes there in great number. Like the MMC, the SPA has
tagged your website nothing worthy of support. So as
much as you continue to chase after them ... they'll
never understand what you're trying to accomplish. I
DID understand. And I tried to be supportive until you
turned on me.

With me, you get more with sugar and faith. Not making
false remarks about paranoia and how things fail.
We're nothing alike, you and me. I've had several
notable accomplishments in the comic book
entertainment industry. A couple have actually changed
the face of comics in certain mindsets of people that
were not comic book readers. But I'm not weighed for
those accomplishments, only by what outspoken jerks
have to say regarding negative things.

Again, move on. Be well and enjoy 2006. It was nice to
have crossed your path while and during the times we
communicated in a positive venue.


Sincerely,
--Rick

Rick Olney
TightLip Entertainment
www.mightyminicon.com
"Lux Mentis, Lux Orbis"

[THEDOC]

So you said:


And he responds --



I know we've seen a lot of this, but really! He does have a way of jumping hard (and insultingly) on something that was intended in the best. <shakes head>

Something seriously wrong there (and not with you, Doc!).

Yeah he is bi-polar, as I am too but he seems to have a real bad case plus his paranoia. I bet he is on lots of meds right now.

Oh the controversies I was warning him about were flame wars he had going at The Small Press Pavaler Yahoo Group and other places. Told him he was wating his energy and just concentrate on his projects.

[Sarah Beach]

Thanks for the explaination, Doc.

And about the sig-quote... You'd mentioned it before, and it had seemed silly to me. But to read these emails.... even more so.

"Remove that quote that offends me! But explain yourself first!"

"I just liked the quote. Nobody's ever asked me about it before."

"I don't care about nobodies like Ian. Explain what you mean by it!"

"Uh, I just did. I like it."

"Now, see, I KNOW you mean it to be personally directed at me. I DON'T LIE! I'm an honorably discharged Marine. Honor! You are insulting me! I'm banning you for that."
<herein ends the internal drama of orcaflesh on the loose>

[Sarah Beach]

I'm not convinced that his swings have anything to do with being bi-polar. In addition to those who have mentioned the condition here, I knew a few others. And none of you display the sort of behavior he does.

What I do see in that last communication is his toxic personality, dropping poison on you, impuning your abilities and vision. What a bully he was/is.

I'm glad you've gotten out from under it!

[TomStillwell]

I'm not convinced that his swings have anything to do with being bi-polar. In addition to those who have mentioned the condition here, I knew a few others. And none of you display the sort of behavior he does.

What I do see in that last communication is his toxic personality, dropping poison on you, impuning your abilities and vision. What a bully he was/is.

I'm glad you've gotten out from under it!

He also holds himself up as some paragon people should strive to emulate with his many "notable acomplishments", all the while doing his best to belittle DOC.

Gee, what a role model.:rolleyes:

[THEDOC]

He also holds himself up as some paragon people should strive to emulate with his many "notable acomplishments", all the while doing his best to belittle DOC.

Gee, what a role model.:rolleyes:

I look back at it now and laugh, why did i get so upset. I really did think when he apologized he was settling down, little did I know.

[Cam63]

Misty calls solitary witches "Craft Singles." :) Unwrap one today!

Who here doesn't like cheese ?

...or unwrapping stuff !

[rummblestrips]

Those emails are disturibing Lance.
Well, the part I can UNDERSTAND is disturbing. The rest is disturbingly weird.

Was Rick abducted by Aliens at some point, and if so, can they come back and get him?

sheesh

[EdContradictory]

No, my decision stands. You can peg it as
"dictatorial" if you like. I see you as an apple that
has turned brown and destined to rot. I don't want you
mixing in and discoloring the rest of what anyone says
or does on the MMC. And I have no doubt you'll need to
cry and whine about what I've done and how I've
treated you to others. Either that, or you'll puff
your chest out and say all kinds of things that paint
me in an unsavory imaage to others. That's the
pettiness that exists in small press and certain
circles. The 'rot' of anything touched by the SPA. You
and your website are infected by it. That's why nobody
goes there in great number. Like the MMC, the SPA has
tagged your website nothing worthy of support. So as
much as you continue to chase after them ... they'll
never understand what you're trying to accomplish. I
DID understand. And I tried to be supportive until you
turned on me.
Rick, you ever think about why no one goes to your shitty website?

[Koben Kelly]

Wow.

It sure has been quiet since Matt and PG gave the one-two punch, huh?

According to the Rick-O-Behavioral-Graph, we were due for another dose of drive-by posting long ago.

Am I wrong to be amused by this?

[Magneto_X]

Ed:

It's amazing how much "Rick" is projecting in these emails.

[Cam63]

Wow.

It sure has been quiet since Matt and PG gave the one-two punch, huh?

According to the Rick-O-Behavioral-Graph, we were due for another dose of drive-by posting long ago.

Am I wrong to be amused by this?

No, it is not wrong to be amused, confounded, angered or disgusted by anything related to Olney's behaviour.

[Papergirl]

Wow.

It sure has been quiet since Matt and PG gave the one-two punch, huh?

According to the Rick-O-Behavioral-Graph, we were due for another dose of drive-by posting long ago.

Am I wrong to be amused by this?
*tips her hat and takes a bow*

Hey, he tried to call me out, so I called him on his bullshit. Maybe next time he'll think twice before messing with the daughter of a REAL U.S. Marine. ;)

Honestly, though, I think it was Matt's haymaker that finished him off. Mine wasn't NEARLY as damaging as that.

He's logged onto myspace, and I know he's been lurking here. (Hi, peanut! I can view your IP address info!) I've been keeping tabs on him. He just hasn't *posted* anywhere that we can see it. The little peanut is running scared.

~Bev

[Yonar]

Wow.

It sure has been quiet since Matt and PG gave the one-two punch, huh?

According to the Rick-O-Behavioral-Graph, we were due for another dose of drive-by posting long ago.

Am I wrong to be amused by this?

*tips her hat and takes a bow*

Hey, he tried to call me out, so I called him on his bullshit. Maybe next time he'll think twice before messing with the daughter of a REAL U.S. Marine. ;)

Honestly, though, I think it was Matt's haymaker that finished him off. Mine wasn't NEARLY as damaging as that.

He's logged onto myspace, and I know he's been lurking here. (Hi, peanut! I can view your IP address info!) I've been keeping tabs on him. He just hasn't *posted* anywhere that we can see it. The little peanut is running scared.

~Bev

Y'Know, it takes a lot of concentration to summon a Wiccan Marine Super Lawyer.

And he's gonna need all of it.

[Papergirl]

Heh! Yes, yes he will!

*waves hi to peanut* Have you called Jen Joyce yet, Dick?

~Bev

[Charles RB]

Those emails are disturibing Lance.

I think it's the part where he tells someone "you're rotted and foul and your foulness will infect everyone you come near" that makes them really warped.

[Draconomicon]

Those mails really give insight into his mind.
Id say he is more than a little disturbed and should seek out professional help

[JTPencils]

Ya know, I'd almost be willing to pester Court TV to go and televise the RO trial that's gonna happen. It's gotta be more entertaining then anything they've been showing as of late. Hell it could be a PPV event for all I care. Maybe we could even get Nancy Grace to chime in with your usual "unbiased" blather?

I thought my first encounter with an unscrupulous publisher (who shall remain nameless - I don't think he's tried to produce anything in years... ergo... harmless at this point) was amusing (when I had to take HIM to small claims)... but he doesn't even come close to being in league with peanut head. Though it WAS funny when he told the judge "Your honor, the witnesses here today (four of them, which the publisher himself had paid to subpeona... so in essence, were "his" witnesses)... are all going to lie about this case...". Ummmmmm... brilliant? I think not! peanut will do that one even better I'm sure! "You're all against me... and me... an honorably discharged Marine... how can you do this to me!!!"

[Gail Simone]

What a goddamned weirdo.

Gail

[Flamebird]

In other news, Marvel Comics today announced that they were considering adopting the "We won't pay you if you don't like us enough" accounting system.

The ghost of Jack Kirby was heard to comment, "This is new...?"

kdb

OK, I'm sorry to disrupt the thread anymore....


but even though it's only February I nominate THIS as LINE of the freakin' YEAR. BRAVO!!!

(and Kurt you now owe me a new monitor sheild- my NDA is in the mail)

[Reverend Smooth]

RO ain't wiccan. I don't care what he says, he doesn't observe the tenets of the religion. If anything, he's just a fluffbunny wannabe.

[EdContradictory]

Ed:

It's amazing how much "Rick" is projecting in these emails.

He projects so much he should be an IMAX screen.

[AIPman1]

last ones I could find, like I said nothing incriminating so if he has stuff I said about Ian and SPA then I want to see it. Again Ian, I apologies if I said anything bad.
There were a lot more of these but I deleted them as I was getting pissed with each passing moment.

Like I said before, I forgive anything in advance...and hope for the same.

I can shed a tiny bit of light on the statement about me offering to help find out who was "hacking" Olney: He came at me a number of places, the Palaver Yahoo group, and in private e-mail, claiming I hacked him. It was at the same time that Dimestore was getting hack attacks. I said that it wasn't me, and I'd gladly work with him to find out who was really doing it if he wanted to, but otherwise shut up and leave me alone. That's a paraphrase. I never heard from him on that again. It was bullshit. I ended up changing my site code completely to another system of content management, haven't had those kinds of site hacks again.

[AIPman1]

On my site I gave him catagories for MMC and ICC which he or Tim could post updates. Then he sent me the above e-mail so I deleted the catagories and I never could figure out why unless he was afraid about spies and such.
He had trouble logging into his personal account whuich was a system thing not me as at that poiint I was getting spammed and soon after the site got hacked. Hmmm wonder by whom.
Actually, Lance, the PHPBB forum code is NOTORIOUS for getting random hacks. It might be more secure in later versions, but I gave up on it in favor of the SMF forum system.

[AIPman1]

I look back at it now and laugh, why did i get so upset. I really did think when he apologized he was settling down, little did I know.

For the record, DOC....I do understand what you try to accomplish with your History works, and I do want to help in spotlighting it. We'll continue to work in that area in Self Publisher! Magazine. If you don't mind the SPA rot infecting everything, lol.

Oh, hey, everyone: Small Press Idol 2007 starts TODAY: I have like 7 projects already in, so we'll have judging starting later today...the fun begins! We're expecting to present over 100 projects by the March 25th deadline...

(the best way to overcome a bully's lies and abuse is to actually be successful).

[AaronJ]

Am I missing something in those emails? I don't understand (well, it's Rick: half, at least, of the stuff he spouts is incomprehensible) what the issue is over the quote. Was he just convinced that it was some sort of convoluted dig at him?

He's a very strange, very sad little man.

[AIPman1]

Am I missing something in those emails? I don't understand (well, it's Rick: half, at least, of the stuff he spouts is incomprehensible) what the issue is over the quote. Was he just convinced that it was some sort of convoluted dig at him?

He's a very strange, very sad little man.
He was convinced that I had magical powers over the internet and that everything from e-mail slowdowns to the very opinions of other people who were not me, were somehow plots against him arranged by me.

I can only dream I had such power. Well, actually, I don't even WANT that kind of power. Having fun making and moving around comics is all I ever want to do.

[DocAbsurd]

I've heard that people have opinions about the ICC because I have a small hand in it.

There they are, both of the admissions I was looking for. He had been telling others he was involved despite wanting me to keep that aspect quiet, and he says plainly he didn't have much involvement with the ICC.

The ICC is already doing things that SPA isn't geared (nor will they ever be geared) to handle.

Now how can you possibly read this line and not get the impression he envisioned the ICC as a group solely created to steal the rug from under Ian's efforts at the SPA?

So the ICC won't work? Bullshit. You don't know a feckin' thing about what is being worked on behind the scenes of the ICC. And why would you... you quit.

Notice the word 'feck'? hmmmmmm, now who uses that term regularly? Why not get an original personality trait.

And apparently I didn't know what was going on behind the scenes, either.

If I remember correctly, you never quit, Lance. I wanted you on the board to help decide on projects and recruit contributors. Moby had 'misgivings' but only after you expressed doubt about who'd want to be involved if he was so much as mentioned. You figured the ICC wouldn't work because of him, not because of the efforts behind it. Of course, he blamed it all right back on this:

The 'rot' of anything touched by the SPA.

Anyway... no more Shires talk between us.

Amazing, innit? No-one brought up Ian's name in these emails but Moby. He became so obsessed with toppling Ian and the SPA that everything Moby did was practically designed towards that end. Talk about Machiavellian. It was impossible for him to admit he did wrong, and inconceivable for him to just let the topic drop.

And see, you judge me yet again. You don't even know me. If you did, you'd know that it takes a lot to get me to this point.

You don't have the vision to pull off your own goals -- much less have the drive to assist anyone else. You can tag along over at the SPA and get whatever you're trying to achieve. If I'm going to focus on history and aged creators, I'll do it AFTER the ICC has instituted something to assist LIVING creators.

Don't you dare judge Moby, but be prepared to sit in his judgement. How the feck can he stand the taste of his own bile? Every word he spews is dripping with venom. He insults Lance while stealing ideas from him, from Ian and the SPA, from me.

You'd think my immunity to this sorta revelation would be sufficiently built up by now. Yet I can't help but feel sickened that I associated with the tub-scum for as long as I did.

And it's only steeling my resolve.





Doc 'Guilty from Association' Absurd

[AIPman1]

Now how can you possibly read this line and not get the impression he envisioned the ICC as a group solely created to steal the rug from under Ian's efforts at the SPA?

Doc 'A REALLY GREAT GUY WHO NEEDS NOT FEEL GUILTY' Absurd

Hey...speaking of stealing Ideas...I'm suprised he didn't try to start up a news and reviews magazine like Self Publisher...was that ever brought up, out of curiosity?

[SteveForbes]

Don't let it get you too upset, Doc. You know NOW, and that's really all that matters.

Now, here's what TRULY amazes me. Truly and outstandingly:

How he got away with all of this for so long. It still boggles my mind.

As EIC of Paper Dragonz, I've made some unpopular decisions, and I know that I've both hurt people and pissed others off. Some of it was my own doing, and I apologized for it. However, I also know that some of it was the fault of the creators, and I spoke with them candidly about it.

If I know someone, I'm going to go and speak to them directly. I don't believe in letting confrontations go. I do my best to face my problems, so I can put it behind me that much sooner. If I don't know someone and I hear some blatantly false statements about me, I go and ask why they'd say that. I'd do my best to track down the truth.

Also, I don't understand why a creator would be afraid of being sued when someone else breaches a contract- especially if it's the person who wrote it. In all honesty, Himself should have been found out a HELL of a long time ago. Found out, and warned about.

I mean, the guy regularly cuts off his nose to spite his face. Documented proof of years of this type of behavior- and we're just now putting the pieces together? Are we, as a group, that slow on the uptake? If so, no wonder we're such easy marks.

Paper Dragonz was turned into a publishing company after some underhanded practices of another company. A group of us left that company in droves, and the Kelley's turned something they already had in place into a publishing company. The first thing they said was "we have the finances to publish!", followed immediately by "look at our business plan." They put up their own money in order to get things done. Because my title had a name attached to it and the artwork was just totally kickass, Dave Simon's page rate was out of their range. So, I went in on half to get the issues produced.

What do we have to show for our hard work and determination? Comics. Things you can actually hold in your hands and read. You can even get a 5 page preview of Bullet Time at my comicspace page. We say we're going to do something, and we do it.

We may have a couple of detractors, but we've got something they don't: printed comics. We saw what we wanted, and we kept that goal in mind as we evolved, learning all the way, until we have product on the stands.

What does He have? Lawsuits to coincide with what must be the worst reputation in comics while not even BEING in comics.

I think there's going to be only one con that I make this year, and that'll be SDCC. I'm thinking about making a shirt saying (on the front) "I wasn't Olneyed", and on the back "How about you?" Really, that's as close as he's ever going to come.

-llama

[DocAbsurd]

What do you think the still-impending re-re-launch of FRESH was supposed to be?

I'm telling you without the slightest hint of hesitation, everything he planned was geared to knock you and the SPA flat on your arses. He was absolutely giddy when your calendar didn't go over as planned last year.

Imagine an impotent Dr Sivana. Before OYL.



Doc 'I Have a Cunning Plan' Absurd

[SteveForbes]

Imagine an impotent Dr Sivana. Before OYL.



Doc 'I Have a Cunning Plan' Absurd


Now THAT'S comedy!

-llaffing llama

[TomStillwell]

Last week I e-mailed Dave Hartman, the artist who did the cover of Tales of The Spooky #1 Rick posted as he bragged about how TOTS #1 would be coming out in due time.

Dave replied this morning.

Dave never was paid for the cover. He did it as a favor to his friend Brian "Wheezy" Harnois.

This is Dave's final word on the cover after being brought up to speed on events. Dave had already learned some of the Olney issue from the net independently.

----Original Message-----
From: David Hartman [mailto:hartman@sideshowmonkey.com]
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 10:20 AM
To: Stillwell, Tom
Cc: David Hartman
Subject: Re: Tales of The Spooky


Thanks Tom, I really do appreciate it. As far as I'm concerned I
still own the artwork along with Brian and will use it for something
else. Thanks again and I'll read up on that stuff.

So, no book...no cover...how exactly are you going to sell TOTS #1?

[AIPman1]

What do you think the still-impending re-re-launch of FRESH was supposed to be?

I'm telling you without the slightest hint of hesitation, everything he planned was geared to knock you and the SPA flat on your arses. He was absolutely giddy when your calendar didn't go over as planned last year.

Imagine an impotent Dr Sivana. Before OYL.

Doc 'I Have a Cunning Plan' Absurd

I mean, I'm FLATTERED he considered me that important that he felt the need to crush me...It's funny, at one point I was going to help him re-launch Fresh. Guess I'll just keep doing what I've always done...I'm just glad the cloud of Olney has been blown away...

[DocAbsurd]

Steve, he got away with it for so long by creating factions and dividing cooperative efforts. Talk to some of the free-lancers (emphasis on the 'free') he conned; they'll tell you he actually discouraged open discourse between team members.

When you eventually piss him off -- and believe me, everyone pisses him off at some point -- he immediately launches into his offensive attacks. You become his target and any remaining friends hear his side of the story. That's what happened with Gail and Ian. Give him 20 seconds and you'll get more venom drilled into your brain than if you were bit by every cobra in the world. At one time.

He plays the victim role very well, and each conversation is used to enforce that. Up until recently, I honestly believed that he was simply defending a small press creator against the shoddy treatment they got a WW convention one year when he was removed from the leadership at the SPA. For 3, almost 4 years, I thought I was standing against a rash decision that happened faster than 3/4 of the other leaders could follow because he kept pounding that view into my head.

He had plans for the ICC -- my group, my ideas, my pet project as Moby kept telling me -- that I was not privy to. He, in fact, had promised another creator to pay them for their work on the ICC when he expected me to keep working for free. I'm sure Ronee, Dave Lanphear, Danny and many others can ascertain that he operated thru the suppression of information.

He trusts no-one.

It's taken us this long to connect the dots. Too bad it turned out to be such an ugly picture.




Doc 'Don't Tell' Absurd

[Typo Lad]

Steve, he got away with it for so long by creating factions and dividing cooperative efforts. Talk to some of the free-lancers (emphasis on the 'free') he conned; they'll tell you he actually discouraged open discourse between team members.

It's a very common tactic of this kind of conman. The guy who conned me kept telling me that the publisher hated my story and wouldn't say why. When I finally side-stepped him and sent the publisher a copy directly, I found out the publisher loved it and that the con had told him I had not sent the script! Oh, and that I was badmouthing the company.

...

I wonder if Rick and Rusty are really the same person...

[AIPman1]

I wonder if Rick and Rusty are really the same person...

Rusty introduced the SPA to Brad Linder, who turned out to be the biggest rip-off printer I've ever encountered. Brad Linder brought Dimestore to it's knees, and hurt numerous other publishers because I endorsed them. Later, when people were clamoring for the head of Brad Linder, who very really seemed to vanish as if he never existed, Rick Olney tried to make people think that I, indeed was Brad Linder. I still have voice mails from Brad Linder to prove otherwise due to that very thing.

Anyone else remember the Firstwave Printing fiasco? Bah...the thought of connections there make me sick...What if Linder was a friend of Olney? Gaaaa, makes me ill. No proof whatsoever. Just thinking out loud there.

[SteveForbes]

And that's what I don't get.

I have an open door policy. I make sure that I talk to my creators, and that they feel comfortable talking to me, AND to each other. Creating comics is a TEAM effort- nothing gets done without contributions of the whole.

How absurd is it for a writer to NOT talk to the creative team? The colorist should at LEAST talk to the inker and the writer to clear up any ambiguities in the script. The letterer should talk to the writer and penciller, to make sure nothing vital is covered up. The entire TEAM should talk, so everyone is on the same page.

Now, doing a monthly comic at a big company, that may not be totally feasible- but it should be an option. In the indies, we have NO excuse not to talk to one another. (Well, I am shy, so there's that.) To actively discourage discourse between creators working on the same project is insane to me!

The only time I haven't spoken directly to the creators is as copyeditor of Warmageddon Illustrated. One of the writers changed "voices" right in the middle of the story, and it wasn't caught by anyone until it got to me. So, it slipped by the writer, the editor, and the letterer. I'm looking at the lettered pages, and I tell Jamal about the problem with the script. That story didn't make that particular issue of Warmageddon because part of it had to be rewritten and re-lettered.

In that instance, I didn't need to communicate with the team, because Jamal wants me to do exactly what I was doing: look at the pages with fresh eyes and catch mistakes. Most of the time it's small grammar and punctuation or just some small rewording to make things more clear. However, there were a couple of times when things just didn't make sense, and those stories were held off until corrections were made.

Anyone who tells me not to talk to other creators working on the same project (to at least make contact so OTHER stories could possibly come about) is insane AND has something to hide.

-llama

[Sarah Beach]

I really need to start drawing up lists of folks I want to hob-nob with at WW LA & SDCCI. *sigh* It's going to be a LIST! (a good thing, but coordinating! bleh)

As for RO - yes, his was definitely divide and conquer. But also "poison the well" - by leaving those psychological toxic put downs he leaves behind, really slowing people down in shaking off his effect and having confidence in their own work.

[SteveForbes]

I really need to start drawing up lists of folks I want to hob-nob with at WW LA & SDCCI. *sigh* It's going to be a LIST! (a good thing, but coordinating! bleh)

As for RO - yes, his was definitely divide and conquer. But also "poison the well" - by leaving those psychological toxic put downs he leaves behind, really slowing people down in shaking off his effect and having confidence in their own work.

Hopefully, I'm on that list.

- (likes to be seen with purty goils) llama

[AIPman1]

OK FOLKS: Watch as Dennis Kinninger attempts to win people over to the "Rick is just misunderstood" mindset happening RIGHT NOW....

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LAIROFTHEGRIMONE/message/5830

[Draconomicon]

OK FOLKS: Watch as Dennis Kinninger attempts to win people over to the "Rick is just misunderstood" mindset happening RIGHT NOW....

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LAIROFTHEGRIMONE/message/5830

Its members only :/

[AIPman1]

Highlight - for those not wanting to join a group to read it:

Yeah, I agree, though all the guy wants to do is put
on a decent show and have people enjoy themselves
without having to trek outside of Upstate New York to
do it. I've done convention organizing, these suckers
aren't easy to do and do right.

Rick just seems to be one of those guys that stuff
happens to more often than others. Yes, sometimes he
brings it on himself and sometimes he doesn't.

Personally, I will support a new show and I'll be
helping out where I'm able as he naturally felt bad
about the other shows folding.

So, we'll see what happens this year.


Dennis

[AIPman1]

My reply at that group:

And everyone should just ignore the money he owes people, and the lawsuits, the threatening, and all that. He’s just misunderstood.



I’m sorry, Dennis. Preponderance of the evidence. The whole “benefit of the doubt” situation he’s relied on to keep people like Jim Main and Steve Keeter saying “well, he’s never done anything to me” is blown away by the fact he’s got multiple people suing him right now. He DID WRONG. Pooh-poohing that is to spit in the face of people whose lives have been hurt by him. Shame on anyone who continues to allow it to go on.

[Reverend Smooth]

If people want to choose to be suckers, that's their responsibility. There are enough backed-up accounts here and elsewhere to make trusting him a foolish move.

If a couple people say the same thing, it can be a 'misunderstanding'. When it gets into the dozens, mutiples of dozens, and St. Jude's, there's a legitimate problem.

[IvanJim]

I find myself a little leery of the notion that Dennis is just a guy who happens to be loyal to his friend and thus isn't willing to speak poorly of him in public. The constant minimizing of Olney's actions and the commensurate diminishing of those folks with legitimate complaints against him is done artfully, but it's none-the-less being done.

If the man has a high enough level of intelligence to help initiate and run these enterprises with Olney, then he's sharp enough to be aware of the substantive improprieties that are part and parcel of these enterprises. I could grudgingly accept ('though not fully respect) his not commenting on the wrong doings commited by his friend, but providing a defense of Olney's actions which totally ignore the nature and substance of the clearly abusive actions makes him at best an apologist and quite possibly a complicit collaborator in some of the reckless misuses of guests at the convention.

While a smooth and friendly demeanor is obviously far more pleasant than the abusive manner that Olney displays, I think it behooves folks to recognize that when you choose to lie down with flea covered dogs you might well be complicit in spreading those little bloodsucking parasites around. Is it really unfair to judge a man by the company he keeps if he does business with that company and defends that company's actions?

[AIPman1]

If people want to choose to be suckers, that's their responsibility. There are enough backed-up accounts here and elsewhere to make trusting him a foolish move.

If a couple people say the same thing, it can be a 'misunderstanding'. When it gets into the dozens, mutiples of dozens, and St. Jude's, there's a legitimate problem.
Well that's part of what's WRONG with what Dennis is doing here. He knows full well Jim Main, the "Grim Jim" in question in the "lair of the grim one" is an old-school zinester, and one who would never seek out such a thread as this. And so are the friends in Jim's yahoo group. Most are full aware of past "flame wars" between Rick and I...and have actively sought to not know and not care.

Doesn't what Dennis is doing here bother anyone else? It starts with one person recuiting, next thing you know, you have people ready to go to his next show cause, well, he's really not so bad as people say is he?

I thought that we were actively seeking the Rick influence out there to debunkify the tactics being used.

[Sarah Beach]

I can understand Dennis not wanting to really look at the true picture. But still, to say RO is "just a guy stuff happens to" is ... denial, I think.

Even so, I have no wish to pounce on Dennis personally. It's enough, I think, that we're collecting the information for the public record of RO's real behavior.

That said... I hope someone else does pick up the ball of "Upstate NY comic conventions" and makes something happen. Just don't let RO within 25 yards of any of the operating/decision making/spokesmanship for it. He can attend, if he pays his admission like everyone else. (He's got to STOP getting comped as a "pro" - his "word" that he's a publisher and convention runner, especially in future tense should NOT be enough).

[Sarah Beach]

Well that's part of what's WRONG with what Dennis is doing here. He knows full well Jim Main, the "Grim Jim" in question in the "lair of the grim one" is an old-school zinester, and one who would never seek out such a thread as this. And so are the friends in Jim's yahoo group. Most are full aware of past "flame wars" between Rick and I...and have actively sought to not know and not care.

Doesn't what Dennis is doing here bother anyone else? It starts with one person recuiting, next thing you know, you have people ready to go to his next show cause, well, he's really not so bad as people say is he?

I thought that we were actively seeking the Rick influence out there to debunkify the tactics being used.

Maybe the way to respond to Dennis' comments is not to respond to them directly. Instead to provide the links to this thread and Unscrewed and just say "Here's the real record of Rick's behavior. Check it out for yourself, and then decide if things 'just happen to him' or if he isn't causing them himself."

[AIPman1]

Dennis says:
I thought the question posed here was whether or not
people here would or wouldn't attend another of Rick's
conventions, Ian.

I answered the question, you did too.

Dennis

I say

Well, you ALSO defended Olney’s situation by ignoring and pooh-poohing facts…I take objection to that. After all that man has done to try to destroy Dimestore and the SPA – that I have evidence of – I won’t stand by and watch friends of mine like Jim, and Steve, and others here in the Lair, be lead to believe Olney has not done anything illegal by anyone.

[AIPman1]

Maybe the way to respond to Dennis' comments is not to respond to them directly. Instead to provide the links to this thread and Unscrewed and just say "Here's the real record of Rick's behavior. Check it out for yourself, and then decide if things 'just happen to him' or if he isn't causing them himself."
I did, when the question was originally posed, if anyone would attend the next mmc, ask people to google Rick Olney and read what was going on. That lead to the he hasn't done anything to me talk, and then Dennis came in.

[Sarah Beach]

I did, when the question was originally posed, if anyone would attend the next mmc, ask people to google Rick Olney and read what was going on. That lead to the he hasn't done anything to me talk, and then Dennis came in.

Fair enough. At this point, since your own history seems to be known there, perhaps pointing out that by now, NO PROS and VERY, VERY FEW VENDORS would be willing to attend a con that RO had anything to do with.

I mean, what would be the point after that? No pros, no vendors - why come?

And we're getting plenty of feedback that that is exactly what is shaping up. So it's not a hypothetical so much anymore.

Well, I mean, I know that RO is trying to make his MMC "7" happen. But has he really got anyone committed?

[Larry Dixon]

I find myself a little leery of the notion that Dennis is just a guy who happens to be loyal to his friend and thus isn't willing to speak poorly of him in public. The constant minimizing of Olney's actions and the commensurate diminishing of those folks with legitimate complaints against him is done artfully, but it's none-the-less being done.

If the man has a high enough level of intelligence to help initiate and run these enterprises with Olney, then he's sharp enough to be aware of the substantive improprieties that are part and parcel of these enterprises. I could grudgingly accept ('though not fully respect) his not commenting on the wrong doings commited by his friend, but providing a defense of Olney's actions which totally ignore the nature and substance of the clearly abusive actions makes him at best an apologist and quite possibly a complicit collaborator in some of the reckless misuses of guests at the convention.

While a smooth and friendly demeanor is obviously far more pleasant than the abusive manner that Olney displays, I think it behooves folks to recognize that when you choose to lie down with flea covered dogs you might well be complicit in spreading those little bloodsucking parasites around. Is it really unfair to judge a man by the company he keeps if he does business with that company and defends that company's actions?

(my new favorite post)
Oh sure, Mister Brainy-Brain, bring logic into it why don't ya.

I do reluctantly agree; while at first I was willing to give Dennis the benefit of the doubt---being a loyal friend means defending the friend no matter what has a certain nobility to it---now I am not so sure.

It may just be because I've had too many (well all right, one is too many) brushes with Social Engineers. A funny con is still a con. A pleasant con is still a con. An abusive con is still a con. A hateful con is still a con. An entertaining con is still a con.

So, who knows. It could be. I don't know.

[Danny Donovan]

Well, I can tell you that I've spoken to a few rather high level creators and they've all said from what they've gathered they would never attend a show put on by Olney.

At this point anyone who chooses to come out and defend Rick, can do so if they choose. It's not going to do any good.

I'm dissapointed at seeing such a thing, but you know I really can't fault Dennis. I mean when you've been friends with someone for decades it can be hard to put that aside no matter what.

When someone's been in your life for so long, be it a friend or a relationship you turn a blind eye to a lot of things because you try your hardest to see the best, it's denial, as Sarah said. But it's also a defense mechinisim. Imagine wasting all your energy and time on a person and situation that wasn't worth it.

I can gaurentee, there will be no one wanting to take part in another show. Rick's also shot himself in the foot just by PLANNING the damn thing. Having a June show, when both Wizardworld Philly, AND Heroes Con (who I cannot say nice enough things about the convention and Shelton) are planning theirs...

Philly is not that far from upstate NY.

Charlotte may be a little out of a way but there's no way Rick's reputation can come near Shelton's.

Besides, Unscrewed! comes out in the summer time... we'll see how things go. :p

[IvanJim]

I'm dissapointed at seeing such a thing, but you know I really can't fault Dennis. I mean when you've been friends with someone for decades it can be hard to put that aside no matter what.

When someone's been in your life for so long, be it a friend or a relationship you turn a blind eye to a lot of things because you try your hardest to see the best, it's denial, as Sarah said. But it's also a defense mechinisim. Imagine wasting all your energy and time on a person and situation that wasn't worth it.



I'm sorry, Danny, but I disagree. If my brother, my wife, or one of my kids were to act unethically I would still stand behind them, I might even plead for understanding or clemency for their improprieties and try to explain why they weren't evil just misguided, but I wouldn't dismiss their wrong doings as just simple misunderstandings especially if people were damaged by their actions.

I personally believe that being someone's friend creates a greater responsibility, not a lesser one, when dealing with their inappropriate actions.

[Dreadstar]

I'm sorry, Danny, but I disagree. If my brother, my wife, or one of my kids were to act unethically I would still stand behind them, I might even plead for understanding or clemency for their improprieties and try to explain why they weren't evil just misguided, but I wouldn't dismiss their wrong doings as just simple misunderstandings especially if people were damaged by their actions.

I personally believe that being someone's friend creates a greater responsibility, not a lesser one, when dealing with their inappropriate actions.

Gotta agree here.

I let a friend stay in my place in 2004 after he asked. He needed a place after moving back from Canada (couldn't get a work visa) and while he was looking for a job. I said, "Sure, I can put you up for a couple weeks."

Never ever be less than succinct and exact about the time frame. Never.

I should point out that this guy was one of my best friends from about 1980-on. We went on family vacations together with the kids and wives, we went without the kids and wives on golf trips to Myrtle with another group of friends. We've helped each other make it through our respective divorces.

Two months after he moved in with me, he was still playing City of Heroes in my basement when I came home from work and told him to get out.

"Here's a couple hundred bucks. Now get out. I'm just enabling you here, and you're not yet desperate enough to abase yourself to washing dishes at Denny's, something that I would have done a month ago. I don't want to hear from you again until you get your shit together."

Been about two and a half years now and still haven't heard a peep from him. As far as I know he may well have committed suicide or been tossed in jail.

And yet, I'm certain I did the right thing.

Being a friend does not part and parcel include "enabling."

[DocAbsurd]

Lemme tell you something:

I have been mates with my best friend Kevin for 30 years. We met when I started tutoring him back in *shudder* 8th grade, and we have never lost touch thru 2 divorces, multiple moves (one to another state), and a good number of arguments. In fact, the Things call him 'uncle', he's that close.

If I knew Kevin had screwed even 1 person in a business deal, I not only woulda told him off proper, I woulda twisted his fecking arm until he made decent amends. He may not speak to me for a bit, but our friendship is strong enough that I know he'd want me to tell him and, yes, even correct him.

I like Dennis; always saw him a decent sorta guy. But to simply call Moby's in-actions 'misguided' . . . that's not friendship, that's just drinking the very Kool-Aid Moby accuses us of imbibing in.




Doc 'Blind Loyalty' Absurd

[TomStillwell]

Gotta agree here.

I let a friend stay in my place in 2004 after he asked. He needed a place after moving back from Canada (couldn't get a work visa) and while he was looking for a job. I said, "Sure, I can put you up for a couple weeks."

Never ever be less than succinct and exact about the time frame. Never.

I should point out that this guy was one of my best friends from about 1980-on. We went on family vacations together with the kids and wives, we went without the kids and wives on golf trips to Myrtle with another group of friends. We've helped each other make it through our respective divorces.

Two months after he moved in with me, he was still playing City of Heroes in my basement when I came home from work and told him to get out.

"Here's a couple hundred bucks. Now get out. I'm just enabling you here, and you're not yet desperate enough to abase yourself to washing dishes at Denny's, something that I would have done a month ago. I don't want to hear from you again until you get your shit together."

Been about two and a half years now and still haven't heard a peep from him. As far as I know he may well have committed suicide or been tossed in jail.

And yet, I'm certain I did the right thing.

Being a friend does not part and parcel include "enabling."

QFT

The Bible says it best, I think.

"As iron sharpens iron, let one man sharpen another."

Friends are not only there for support or to defend. A friend should be there to help another better themselves.

I would contend there isn't much of a friendship between Dennis and Rick. Dennis throws up his hands and does nothing while Rick spirals downward and Rick would cut off Dennis the instant he mouthed any kind of dissent, just as he has countless times before.

[SteveForbes]

I have to agree with IvanJim as well.

I have so MUCH to say about why I think Dennis is SO wrong that it's not even funny, but at the same time, it's already been succinctly said here.

If a friend of yours was abusive to their spouse, would you just say "Well, they have their problems," or even worse, "They had it comin'." That's essentially what you're saying, Danny. Hopefully, you'd do your best to get your friend some help, instead of saying "Well, they never slapped ME around, and I'll kick their ass if they tried."

Sure, the example is harsh, but it's the same thing.

I'm not saying that Dennis should stop being RO's friend- but he SHOULD call him on the carpet and take him to task for his actions.

Basically, RO needs an intervention, and Dennis, once he stopped turning a blind eye and deaf ear, should do it (if he's RO's closest friend, as is intimated).

- (thoughts of a) llama

[wishlish]

I hope Rick does hold another convention. If my leg is in good shape, I'd consider attending. Picket signs aren't hard to make, after all. And just think how easy serving Rick with lawsuits will be when he's in one place!

[Magneto_X]

wish:

"Rick" sure would have a long queue of people with that.

It may be the *only* way someone will go to his conventions, too.

[Reverend Smooth]

Doesn't what Dennis is doing here bother anyone else?
Of course. (I do tend to judge people by the company they keep. Maybe not as harshly, at first, but their actions determine the rest.)

[Reverend Smooth]

"As iron sharpens iron, let one man sharpen another."That's one of my very favorites. I live by that one. <3

[TCJohnson]

Gotta agree here.

I let a friend stay in my place in 2004 after he asked. He needed a place after moving back from Canada (couldn't get a work visa) and while he was looking for a job. I said, "Sure, I can put you up for a couple weeks."

Never ever be less than succinct and exact about the time frame. Never.

I should point out that this guy was one of my best friends from about 1980-on. We went on family vacations together with the kids and wives, we went without the kids and wives on golf trips to Myrtle with another group of friends. We've helped each other make it through our respective divorces.

Two months after he moved in with me, he was still playing City of Heroes in my basement when I came home from work and told him to get out.

"Here's a couple hundred bucks. Now get out. I'm just enabling you here, and you're not yet desperate enough to abase yourself to washing dishes at Denny's, something that I would have done a month ago. I don't want to hear from you again until you get your shit together."

Been about two and a half years now and still haven't heard a peep from him. As far as I know he may well have committed suicide or been tossed in jail.

And yet, I'm certain I did the right thing.

Being a friend does not part and parcel include "enabling."

I feel lucky. Twice I had to stay with my best friend. The first time was because my plans fell through at the last minute, the second was because the house I was renting was going to be sold in 30 days and I didn't have the money for a deposit on a new place.

I was never without a job, however (even if it was temp data entry work) and I always left before he asked me (about two months the first time, month and a half the second.) I was still best man at his wedding and I am going to be leaving in 15 minutes to watch his twins while he works and his wife makes dinner.

[Reverend Smooth]

And yet, I'm certain I did the right thing.You did the exact right thing.

[Danny Donovan]

Well I didn't know I said all that!

lol. I never meant to say that it was fair of Dennis to disvow the criminal acts of Olney, all I said was that I can understand why he's doing it. As the old saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I think he's just taking a long road to a very sad realization....

[Reverend Smooth]

I think he's just taking a long road to a very sad realization....<stating the obvious>Unfortunately, much as one might wish that they would, people refuse to be logcial and instead give way to what they wish was the truth instead of what it actually is.</stating the obvious>

[IvanJim]

Danny-
I didn't mean to suggest that you've in any way excused Dennis' behaviour or that you've agreed that Dennis' actions were reasonable. If it came across that way I apologize for my lack of clarity. What I do mean to suggest is that you're being overly generous to Dennis by giving him the best possible reading for his actions. Myself, I'm not as nice as you and I don't feel as generous, but I think that says something positive about your character.

[Danny Donovan]

Thanks IvanJim!

I do try to see the best in people, because I think we all have the potential for the very best, (and very worst parts) depending on how much work we're willing to do to make sure that the best parts are flourished.

Guys like Rick are just lazy, they want all the adulation and respect handed to them, and they'll do it on the backs of honest people who work.

No offense taken at all I just wanted to make sure I was clear in my foolish hope that people can find their way back out of the worst situations. ;)

However people like Rick sadly have no hope.

[Reverend Smooth]

Well, it's just like with addiction- to get over the bad behavior, you have to admit that you have issues.

That's not going to happen for a while, he has not hit rock bottom yet.

[SteveForbes]

Maybe not, but thanks to Matt, it's coming.

[THEDOC]

Those emails are disturibing Lance.
Well, the part I can UNDERSTAND is disturbing. The rest is disturbingly weird.

Was Rick abducted by Aliens at some point, and if so, can they come back and get him?

sheesh

I'm still trying to figure that out Joanne.

[THEDOC]

I think it's the part where he tells someone "you're rotted and foul and your foulness will infect everyone you come near" that makes them really warped.

I am sooo foul I infected folks to come to The Jam for more doses. Yadda yadda yadda.

[THEDOC]

What a goddamned weirdo.

Gail

I take it you found those missives interesting.

[THEDOC]

Actually, Lance, the PHPBB forum code is NOTORIOUS for getting random hacks. It might be more secure in later versions, but I gave up on it in favor of the SMF forum system.

I know Ian, in fact his Tightlip Forum had multiple spammers but he said don't worry about. Probably he knew he'd be shutting down that site.

[THEDOC]

For the record, DOC....I do understand what you try to accomplish with your History works, and I do want to help in spotlighting it. We'll continue to work in that area in Self Publisher! Magazine. If you don't mind the SPA rot infecting everything, lol.

Oh, hey, everyone: Small Press Idol 2007 starts TODAY: I have like 7 projects already in, so we'll have judging starting later today...the fun begins! We're expecting to present over 100 projects by the March 25th deadline...

(the best way to overcome a bully's lies and abuse is to actually be successful).

I think it was me infecting stuff as well. Hey, lets infect together the disease of knowledge and the great trailblazers of Fandom Past!
Great news on The Idol Ian.

[THEDOC]

Am I missing something in those emails? I don't understand (well, it's Rick: half, at least, of the stuff he spouts is incomprehensible) what the issue is over the quote. Was he just convinced that it was some sort of convoluted dig at him?

He's a very strange, very sad little man.

The quote: "History holds tightly to her truths" was in Rick's mind that he had lied in the past and that my quote was a subliminal message to that effect.

[THEDOC]

Originally Posted by Captain Irony looking for the last word
You don't have the vision to pull off your own goals -- much less have the drive to assist anyone else. You can tag along over at the SPA and get whatever you're trying to achieve. If I'm going to focus on history and aged creators, I'll do it AFTER the ICC has instituted something to assist LIVING creators.

Hmm and WHO is having a convention in March???
I assist living creators too but we would be remiss if we did not honor those who went before us a blazed the trail.
Which reminds me that I will be stting up a page in the IF Fandom Hall of fame for Jerry Bails THE Godfather of Fandom.
I think ICC will have a great future now that Tim is taking the helm and hope I can assist.

[THEDOC]

Don't let it get you too upset, Doc. You know NOW, and that's really all that matters.
I get upset when I see fools like Rick take great things a squander them. MMC would probably be a great thing and even Tightlip IF his ego and greed didn't get in the way.

[THEDOC]

What do you think the still-impending re-re-launch of FRESH was supposed to be?

I'm telling you without the slightest hint of hesitation, everything he planned was geared to knock you and the SPA flat on your arses. He was absolutely giddy when your calendar didn't go over as planned last year.

Imagine an impotent Dr Sivana. Before OYL.



Doc 'I Have a Cunning Plan' Absurd

I was sad about the first calendar project though I think Joanne did a great job maybe the time was not right.

[THEDOC]

Rusty introduced the SPA to Brad Linder, who turned out to be the biggest rip-off printer I've ever encountered. Brad Linder brought Dimestore to it's knees, and hurt numerous other publishers because I endorsed them. Later, when people were clamoring for the head of Brad Linder, who very really seemed to vanish as if he never existed, Rick Olney tried to make people think that I, indeed was Brad Linder. I still have voice mails from Brad Linder to prove otherwise due to that very thing.

Anyone else remember the Firstwave Printing fiasco? Bah...the thought of connections there make me sick...What if Linder was a friend of Olney? Gaaaa, makes me ill. No proof whatsoever. Just thinking out loud there.

I hear ya Ian. But like the groups we are we weathered such adversities and keep going. I doubt Rick will weather his so smoothly

[THEDOC]

I really need to start drawing up lists of folks I want to hob-nob with at WW LA & SDCCI. *sigh* It's going to be a LIST! (a good thing, but coordinating! bleh)

As for RO - yes, his was definitely divide and conquer. But also "poison the well" - by leaving those psychological toxic put downs he leaves behind, really slowing people down in shaking off his effect and having confidence in their own work.

Come to WW-Chicago. :D

[THEDOC]

OK FOLKS: Watch as Dennis Kinninger attempts to win people over to the "Rick is just misunderstood" mindset happening RIGHT NOW....

In LAIROFTHEGRIMONE@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Kininger
<library_bastard@...> wrote:
>
> It's not a habit, he had legitimate reasons for
> cancelling them.
>
>
> Dennis

My reply was:

That is why a couple of years ago he didn't have the coutesy to call
either Tim Gula or Alex Nino about the show even though He BEGGED me
to ask and the I was the one that had to tell them he had cancelled
and all he would say was I meant to call them. I would say no.
DOC

No slam against Dennis just facts that Rick embarrased me in front of my two friends one of which a legend.

[Flamebird]

Hello all,

I just came in to reply to Mr. Onery's blathering idiotic murmurings. I am rather surprised someone let the cords on his straight-jacket loose so the fool could scamper back on all fours to the key board and type. Apparently his keeper must have taken a piss break and fell in, and he took advantage of it.

1). Mr Onery I am quite aware that you haven't a clue as to how a real attorney works, and since yours is a figment of your withered imagination, I would be more than happy to let you know what mine is doing in your case. HOWEVER, I think waiting till EVERYONE signs the allegations that are being drawn up against you at this time for the various crimes you have committed such as fraud, and personal bodily threats against people via the internet, it should wait.

2.) I would have told you everything but you wouldn't sign my N.D.A. and as you know unless you sign it I don't have to PAY attention to your anal attempts at humanism.

3.) As far as Doc's ass is concerned, I would tell you to kiss it, but he doesn't like to go slumming. It's not a good look for him...

Can't wait to see you on the stand. I am so looking forward to it. I promise you will have all the publicity you can take as I fully intend to bring in every reporter, news crew, and tabloid monster I can find to make sure this goes as far as I can push it.

Momma "N.D.A. 's by Olney WTF" Absurd

P.S. If your wife can sew see if she can make you a striped suit, try it on and get used to the look. :rolleyes:

PLEASE.....Adopt me.


BIG HUGS and I hope you nail him so hard he rusts. ;)

Damn, I just made the thread LONGER. I'm never gonna get thru it at this rate.

[Danny Donovan]

probably not new, but I dunno if anyone's seen the "bio" for Rick on his Yahoo 360 page....


Profile Information

About Me: Hate me for having anything to do with the comic book entertainment industry. Read my poor sorrowful story and make up your own mind; Is he brilliant, insane, or simply more than many average people can digest in an online setting? You be the judge! Homepage: http://www.mightyminicon.com (http://www.mightyminicon.com/) "I've had three great loves in my life and after reading and collecting comic books for 48+ years -- I know that I have comic books that look and smell better than most average people."

I think it's funny he still has Lance as a friend on there.

:p

[Sarah Beach]

Come to WW-Chicago. :D

Would if I could (especially since Chuck Dixon usually hits Chi & the Dixonversers usually have dinner at some point). But I've got a different conference the first weekend of August, and after the expense of SD, flying across country so soon isn't possible.

Another year, I hope.

[Flamebird]

Read it again. He didn't say "the comics in the classroom," he said "the comics in the classroom program."

-llama

Ok, starting to hulk out with rage again.

Which "the comics in the classroom program"?


The Gold key- classics illustrated(for the classroom) books in the late 60's early 70's?

Or maybe the joint Marvel/PBS venture with Ez reader and spiderman that was gobbled up in the MID 70's?

HOw about those MacGruff the crime dog comics?

Were THOSE "RICKS dbaTLE" great work as well?

Oh, YEAH; they weren't were they:mad:

And YES there were more. but just needed to rant for a second.

Sheesh. ok back to trying to catch up.

[Blake Petit]

That is kinda vague of him, ain't it?

[TomStillwell]

Profile Information

About Me: Hate me for having anything to do with the comic book entertainment industry. Read my poor sorrowful story and make up your own mind; Is he brilliant, insane, or simply more than many average people can digest in an online setting? You be the judge! Homepage: http://www.mightyminicon.com "I've had three great loves in my life and after reading and collecting comic books for 48+ years -- I know that I have comic books that look and smell better than most average people."

Geesh...ego much?

[OzBat!]

I think somebody pointed out a few weeks ago that his yahoo360 page hasn't been updated in a couple of years, so I'm not worried about rampant egomania there, it's all being punctured elsewhere in a much more timely fashion!

And I must admit, I'm growing bored of this thread. Does that make me a bad person? I wanna see lawsuits! I wanna see those taking action standing up to be counted, with large placards reading "Neener Neener Mr Weiner!" and laughing in Olney's general direction!!

Can anybody confirm papers being served, beyond Matt? Do we have pictures of the meltdown in action? Has the Fresh Prince of Orcair posted any new diatribes anywhere?

I'm trying to live vicariously through you lot, and you're all letting me down! SHOW ME THE DRAMA!!

[Reverend Smooth]

It's hard to sustain the aggro when lawsuits take time. x.x

[OzBat!]

That's no excuse! If umpteen million legal hours of television viewing on a weekly basis can keep it up, so should we!

[Flamebird]

Misty calls solitary witches "Craft Singles." :) Unwrap one today!

Says the woman who believes in talking white horses ;)


By the way, PLEASE tell me the project you two are working on is even "maybe", a new Gryphon book.

If not I'll settle for some more Jennifer Talldeer. I like that girl- she's got SPUNK.

Actually, she'd fit right in around here.

[Flamebird]

I think somebody pointed out a few weeks ago that his yahoo360 page hasn't been updated in a couple of years, so I'm not worried about rampant egomania there, it's all being punctured elsewhere in a much more timely fashion!

And I must admit, I'm growing bored of this thread. Does that make me a bad person? I wanna see lawsuits! I wanna see those taking action standing up to be counted, with large placards reading "Neener Neener Mr Weiner!" and laughing in Olney's general direction!!

Can anybody confirm papers being served, beyond Matt? Do we have pictures of the meltdown in action? Has the Fresh Prince of Orcair posted any new diatribes anywhere?

I'm trying to live vicariously through you lot, and you're all letting me down! SHOW ME THE DRAMA!!

I agree completely OZ(by the way, after reading this entire thread; I totally have a mancrush on you).

Where are all these people that were "just" the tip of the iceberg.

We KNOW that Doc and Momma Absurd are taking some sort of legal action.
and it's undestandable that (unlike the defendant) they know enough to shut up about specifics, but the "weekly World News" troll that I am wants my bread and circuses, dammit!

We Know that Matt Feakin OWNS slimeboy, and may get some sort of an award for his frog gigging skills with blubber boy.
But YE GODS We want dirt darnit.

We HOPE that Ronee is gonna teach him what it means to piss off a lady.
But has she actually filed anything??? Enquiring minds wanna know.

Gail, has all the juicy gossip, but her pesky morals keep her from flinging, while bilgeboy just keeps goading people. YUCK!!!
Thankfully, those same morals keep her from telling all my secrets too; so guess that one's a wash.

SO, is ANYONE else gonna take the incredible Mr. Waid up on his offer, or should he put away his checkbook and get back to the hobby /business of writing some funnybooks for us to read?

By the way, are we invited to the wedding after Matt and Bev finally get together, or is it just gonna be a pirate/ninja free for all?

Finally, can I now sue whaleboy for the glasses I'm gonna need after reading this entire freakin thing? I'll sign an nda and everything.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Who wants to help me put the screws to Rick even more?

Settle down, settle down....

I just need a few of you.

Requirements: YOu need to be folks who have either received documents I sent you and/or docs you have saved yourself.

Send me an email SOON to discuss what I need. (mattdocmartin@gmail.com)

Thanks!

[Flamebird]

Who wants to help me put the screws to Rick even more?

Settle down, settle down....

I just need a few of you.

Requirements: YOu need to be folks who have either received documents I sent you and/or docs you have saved yourself.

Send me an email SOON to discuss what I need. (mattdocmartin@gmail.com)

Thanks!

Umm, I could bring the happy meals. maybe brownies, but that's about it.

The only thing I've got, I already posted here about blakes' Evertime press release. so probably no help in the sense that you need.
DARNIT!!! :(

[ChrisCross]

Dag.. if you don't mind my saying, you guys have been "screwing" Rick for 845 pages. That's gotta be a record somewhere.

:) :)

[Cam63]

I reckon the Guiness people may be watchin'.

[wishlish]

As I did a few weeks ago, I called the Herkimer County clerk's office to see if there are any known lawsuits against Olney at this time. Currently, there are none in her system.

Has anyone sued him? I'll be mildly surprised if Olney doesn't get sued in this matter. It's obviously the choice of the victims as to whether or not they sue him, but I really am hoping that justice is pursued.

[Cam63]

An atomic wedgie at least.

[TomStillwell]

As I did a few weeks ago, I called the Herkimer County clerk's office to see if there are any known lawsuits against Olney at this time. Currently, there are none in her system.

Has anyone sued him? I'll be mildly surprised if Olney doesn't get sued in this matter. It's obviously the choice of the victims as to whether or not they sue him, but I really am hoping that justice is pursued.

I'd be very disappointed if folks allow themselves to be Olney's victims by not suing him.

He has no legal leg to stand on and someone is offering to covers expenses. If those wronged allow such an opportunity to go by, then Olney wins.

People, don't be a victim, be a survivor. Survivors make the best of a bad situation with the tools at hand.

Mark Waid is providing the tools (sorry Mark, I'm not calling you a tool) and all that is still required is the will to survive.

If you need help getting your legal ducks in a row, then please contact me and I'll help in whatever way I can.

[Matt Doc Martin]

As I did a few weeks ago, I called the Herkimer County clerk's office to see if there are any known lawsuits against Olney at this time. Currently, there are none in her system.

Has anyone sued him? I'll be mildly surprised if Olney doesn't get sued in this matter. It's obviously the choice of the victims as to whether or not they sue him, but I really am hoping that justice is pursued.

There may no be suits listed in Herkimer....But there ARE suits

[ChrisCross]

It's a distinct possibility that people weighed the pros and cons of what is really worth their time and realizing that they could easily recoup the loss from other work, they released themselves from the trouble that would take away peace from their lives sueing the lowlife and decide that it would be better for their own sanity and spirit to eat the loss and just never acknowledge Rick's existence ever again.

Sometimes you just have to do that.

Just let it go.

You know?

Once you can get past the initial anger blitzkreig, it's just easier to make the decision.

And you just learn from the lesson.

But you must have contracts, contracts, contracts....

[Blake Petit]

In a lot of the civil cases, I agree that for many people it may not be worth the resources it would cost to pursue the case.

The St. Jude criminal case, however, is a different matter. I hope that goes as far as it can. And even more than that, I hope that the networking and friendships forged here will help steer people clear not just of this situation, but of similar scams in the future. If that last bit comes true, I think all 846 pages of this will have been worthwhile.

[ChrisCross]

Is it 846 now?
I must have blinked.;)

[Blake Petit]

I know... it seems like just yesterday it was 587.

:sniff:

Our little thread is growing up.

[ChrisCross]

The scary thing is that it probably WAS 587 yesterday.

[Typo Lad]

I have done gotten an Onley-esque e-mail from someone due to this thread.

[Danny Donovan]

I got a message from someone today saying they got a message from Olney recently due to speaking up.

TL what did yours say?

[Matt Doc Martin]

I got a message from someone today saying they got a message from Olney recently due to speaking up.

TL what did yours say?

Please PM me it.

[Typo Lad]

Mine was not from Onley. I've never dealt with the man. Mine was from someone else. Someone who i can only assume is reading this thread and is free to jump in at any time.

I'm not going to quote his e-mail verbatim. Just that he has accused me of slander due to things said in this thread, blamed stuff on illness, and then hinted at legal action.

I'm going to send a very carefully worded response. Still, like I said, the dude is free to jump on in and defend himself.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Peanut: Time's up!!!


You had your chance to provide the info supporting your claims in regards to raising money for St Jude's and you failed to let me know, or to contact Jen Joy.

Well, she emailed me requesting whatever info I had, and I sent it off to her. She is also getting a copy of my latest complaint to go to the New York Attorney General.

Did I ever tell you just how much I love the internet and how hard it is to get rid of the evidence? You sure did like to post EVERYWHERE! And wow, do you make a lot of claims. A lot of, as you would put it, ACTIONABLE claims.

Thank you for being such a loudmouth braggart. You have left more than enough rope to go around your fat neck.

See you in the paper soon!

Oh...and in court.

Again...nice evening to you. Say hi to the wife.

Les jeux sont faits. Translation: the game is up. Your ass is mine.

[Blake Petit]

Wow. Matt's even dangerous in French.

[Typo Lad]

Wow. Matt's even dangerous in French.
That's pretty hard to do, too.

After typing the above comment, the poster was kidnapped by Mmsl Marie and never seen again.

[AIPman1]

isn't that a line from Ferris Beuller's day off? Here's hoping no one turns around and shoots soda in Matt's face through a straw...

[DarrenCawsey]

isn't that a line from Ferris Beuller's day off? Here's hoping no one turns around and shoots soda in Matt's face through a straw...

Damn straight it is! It's just before Principal Rooney gets Coke blown in his face by the Ferris lookalike.

God I loved that movie.




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[Kozemp]

Les jeux sont faits. Translation: the game is up. Your ass is mine.

Dude...

I don't know if quoting Ed Rooney really strengthens your case.

JLK
still, please don't hurt me

[the4thpip]

You have left more than enough rope to go around your fat neck.



Oooh! Can I use that??

[Sarah Beach]

Matt, I was going to ask if there'd been movement on the St. Jude's matter, since you'd set the end of business Monday as the deadline. (I didn't get around to asking, because I've been pursuing mythical San Diego hotel rooms all morning - for ComicCon - and not catching them)

Maybe he thought you were joking about threatening him with legal action. After all, he "never really meant it" himself when he threatened it.

:D

[Gail Simone]

Well, I'm aware of a couple people who are suing. Whether they've begun or not, I don't yet know.

About this thread winding down--if it does, it does. I never tried to 'guide' this thing at all, not to make it big or to slow it down. It's been all organic, and as some of the people who haven't come forward yet are planning litigation, and as Olney's threats are, as always, just farts in a rainstorm, there's going to be a bit of a lull. That's fine. I don't think anyone's interested in creating fake drama, or I hope not.

However, Rick's a funky monkey and he's still trying to get out of this without paying anyone. I'm sure we're nowhere near the end.

Best,

Gail

[Draconomicon]

Mine was not from Onley. I've never dealt with the man. Mine was from someone else. Someone who i can only assume is reading this thread and is free to jump in at any time.

I'm not going to quote his e-mail verbatim. Just that he has accused me of slander due to things said in this thread, blamed stuff on illness, and then hinted at legal action.

I'm going to send a very carefully worded response. Still, like I said, the dude is free to jump on in and defend himself.
Sounds like a Olney sock puppet.

[TomStillwell]

Opps. Double post.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Sounds like a Olney sock puppet.

Typo you must contact Hayley to defend yourself against these claims ! ;)

[Sean_Jackson]

farts in a rainstorm
Can I use this as the name of my fictional band?

[Draconomicon]

Typo you must contact Hayley to defend yourself against these claims ! ;)

!!!!!!!!!!!
NO! The guy who sent Typo the mail!!! :p

[TomStillwell]

It's a distinct possibility that people weighed the pros and cons of what is really worth their time and realizing that they could easily recoup the loss from other work, they released themselves from the trouble that would take away peace from their lives sueing the lowlife and decide that it would be better for their own sanity and spirit to eat the loss and just never acknowledge Rick's existence ever again.

Sometimes you just have to do that.

Just let it go.

You know?

Once you can get past the initial anger blitzkreig, it's just easier to make the decision.

And you just learn from the lesson.

But you must have contracts, contracts, contracts....

The problem is, what if all the victims think like that? Oh well, just let it go, it's easier that way. It's less hassle for me.

And then years down the road you have dozens of folks coming forward like now with complaints of being stiffed.

This, my friends, is what Olney has survived and thrived on. People only worried about freeing themselves from the hassle, leaving Olney the chance to do it again and again and again.

So, not only do you make yourself a victim of Rick Olney, you leave him free to do it to other people.

It would have been easy and peaceful for Rosa Parks to go to the back of the bus that day. Instead she stood up for herself and her people, and got arrested.

Sometimes you just have to stand up despite it being hard.

[Danny Donovan]

Please PM me it.

I just requested they give me the full info to pass on. I'll let you know if they consent. :)

Matt, I was going to ask if there'd been movement on the St. Jude's matter, since you'd set the end of business Monday as the deadline. (I didn't get around to asking, because I've been pursuing mythical San Diego hotel rooms all morning - for ComicCon - and not catching them)

:D

You are better off searching for a polka-dotted snipe than a decent hotel within a good distance of the show. lol.

[Reverend Smooth]

Mettre le 'smackdown' en francais, c'est sexy. >.>;;;

[Matt Doc Martin]

Wow. Matt's even dangerous in French.

Actually, I suck at foreign languages. But I am still probably better at French than Olney is at English

That's pretty hard to do, too.

After typing the above comment, the poster was kidnapped by Mmsl Marie and never seen again.

It is hard yo make the cheese-eating surrender monkeys look tough. But there always is the French Foreign Legion

Dude...

I don't know if quoting Ed Rooney really strengthens your case.

JLK
still, please don't hurt me

*hunts you down*

Oooh! Can I use that??

Please. Feel free.

Matt, I was going to ask if there'd been movement on the St. Jude's matter, since you'd set the end of business Monday as the deadline. (I didn't get around to asking, because I've been pursuing mythical San Diego hotel rooms all morning - for ComicCon - and not catching them)

Maybe he thought you were joking about threatening him with legal action. After all, he "never really meant it" himself when he threatened it.

:D


I just hope he is still "wondering" if I am serious when the actual BIG shit-storms hit. Ronee, Tim, et al....DO NOT LET UP. I will do what I can with this (and another little "surprise" for our dear friend peanut), but you guys get him too!

[Matt Doc Martin]

I just requested they give me the full info to pass on. I'll let you know if they consent. :)



send me the generic details...(ie, leave out info that identifies them)

[Reverend Smooth]

It is hard yo make the cheese-eating surrender monkeys look tough. But there always is the French Foreign LegionOi, c'est qui qui vous avez aides a gagner votre liberte de l'angleterre durant la revolution? >o

[Typo Lad]

Sounds like a Olney sock puppet.

No, he's his own person. And I think I may be the only person he's shafted.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Oi, c'est qui qui vous avez aides a gagner votre liberte de l'angleterre durant la revolution? >o

Seriously. I suck at French. I totally got the quote from IMDB.com.


EDIT: I used Babelfish to help me, but I DID puzzle out the basic meaning on my own. Which puts me a huge step ahead compared to try to figure out Olney's various legal threats.

[stealthwise]

No, he's his own person. And I think I may be the only person he's shafted.

Was that, like... innuendo?

[Sarah Beach]

You are better off searching for a polka-dotted snipe than a decent hotel within a good distance of the show. lol.

I was really hoping to get a room at one of the hotels close to the convention center. But lil' ole folks booking ONE room get run over by the BLOCK BUYERS. *sigh* I ALMOST had a room at the Holiday Inn a mile from the Convention Center, but got tossed out just as I was confirming the reservation. *sniff*

Looks like I'll probably be booking my usual stand at a nice little place 12 miles out, and driving in every day early, to park under the CC. I'm going to hold off on that for a couple of days (I don't book that through the con site) -- because maybe one of the nearer hotels will free up some rooms (as companies decide this week who of their staff is going and who isn't -- well, I can dream, can't I?).

As for this thread, yes, I think there is bound to be a bit of a lull here for the present, since for once the better part of valor (that would be discretion) has finally sat its butt down on peanut's head. Untill we can get the straight stuff on the legal cases, it's waiting time!

[Reverend Smooth]

Seriously. I suck at French. I totally got the quote from IMDB.com.


EDIT: I used Babelfish to help me, but I DID puzzle out the basic meaning on my own. Which puts me a huge step ahead compared to try to figure out Olney's various legal threats.
XD

I love cheese, but it's not in the french heart to surrender, stereotypes be damned.

[Matt Doc Martin]

XD

I love cheese, but it's not in the french heart to surrender, stereotypes be damned.

History be damned as well!

http://www.code7r.org/Bintoons/allies3.htm


;)

[Reverend Smooth]

I think that, between Africa, Iraq, Vietnam and Afghanistan, the US has lost any credibility at military superiority. ^^

And if you tell a frenchman or frenchwoman to their face that they're a a cheese-eating surrender monkey, they'll probably kick your ass into oblivion.

It should also be noted that the US likes to trumpet how it single-handedly won WWII when it in fact came in at the last minute, delayed so long that many of its allies were simply ground down into forced surrender, and in general took credit for the hard work of many nations. The site doesn't mention these things, though.

[Matt Doc Martin]

I think that, between Africa, Iraq, Vietnam and Afghanistan, the US has lost any credibility at military superiority. ^^

And if you tell a frenchman or frenchwoman to their face that they're a a cheese-eating surrender monkey, they'll probably kick your ass into oblivion.

It should also be noted that the US likes to trumpet how it single-handedly won WWII when it in fact came in at the last minute, delayed so long that many of its allies were simply ground down into forced surrender, and in general took credit for the hard work of many nations. The site doesn't mention these things, though.
They would never understand me through my thick Scottish brogue.

Or see past my pecs.

http://www.grudge-match.com/Images/mini/willy.jpg

[Typo Lad]

Was that, like... innuendo?
NO. Oh G-d know.

[Reverend Smooth]

They would never understand me through my thick Scottish brogue.Tell me, is it true that your sheep tremble in fear at the sight of a kilt, or is it just the bad Sean Connery impression?

And why does he have a scottish accent no matter what nationality he plays? X:

[Matt Doc Martin]

Tell me, is it true that your sheep tremble in fear at the sight of a kilt, or is it just the bad Sean Connery impression?

And why does he have a scottish accent no matter what nationality he plays? X:

Fine, fine...I can't do accents either.


damn it.

[Reverend Smooth]

Fine, fine...I can't do accents either.


damn it.

<3 <3 <3

^^

[Blake Petit]

Fine, fine...I can't do accents either.


damn it.

Can't ye now?

:brogues:

[Danny Donovan]

Fine, fine...I can't do accents either.


damn it.


I once had a "scot off" with Grant Morrison at an after party at the 2003 SDCCI.

It was like a bad Abbot and Costello routine.

[AaronJ]

I once had a "scot off" with Grant Morrison at an after party at the 2003 SDCCI.

It was like a bad Abbot and Costello routine.

Oh man, what I wouldn't do for a video of THAT! :)

[Danny Donovan]

Oh man, what I wouldn't do for a video of THAT! :)

lol. I don't think there were any video cameras in the vacinity. :p Although the thing went down like this:

The "mystery machine tour" went after party hopping, and we were at a gathering outside the Hyatt, and I ran into Grant Morrison and I had to stop and say hi and tell him how much I appreciate his work. Jim Ritchey and I have a tendency to have the same very strange thought processes so I thought it'd be nice to gain an audience with him and catch that process unfiltered.

We're talking a little while and I notice myself going into a scottish brogue. I correct myself and say "I'm sorry, I'm not making fun, I lived in the UK for a few years when I'm around someone with an accent like that sometimes I tend to mimic it unintentionally."

GM: Nah, I like when people try it, you're doing grrrrrrrreeat.

ME: Grrrrrrrrreat? Thanks. *continues on rambling something else slips out I forget what*

GM: HAHA! You did it again! It's grrrrrrrrrreat I love it!

Me: GRREAT!

GM: it's ggggggggggreat!"

GM: I love it! :p

That actually went on for about 10 minutes before we both said our good byes and wandered in opposite directions. lol.

Grant's a cool dude.

He's grrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat.

:p

[Typo Lad]

Sigh.

The person who e-mailed me had me blocked as a sender.

[EdContradictory]

Sigh.

The person who e-mailed me had me blocked as a sender.

What a wimp!

[wishlish]

There may no be suits listed in Herkimer....But there ARE suits

You're going to make me call every neighboring county tomorrow, aren't you?

[Matt Doc Martin]

You're going to make me call every neighboring county tomorrow, aren't you?

Heh...Lemme see if I can PM you a few hints. But you will need to keep on the down low.

[Typo Lad]

Naw. He probably forgot that he'd done it two years ago.

[AaronJ]

lol. I don't think there were any video cameras in the vacinity. :p Although the thing went down like this:


That sounds hilarious.

I've never met Grant Morrison, but from interviews I've read and heard, he seems like quite a character, and more importantly a genuinely decent human being.

[DungeonmasterJim]

I have to admit, I really hope a decent chunk of the people here sue Olney that are owed money especially concering the offer Mark Waid made. Otherwise, it would really feel like Olney 'won' after all that has occurred.


DM Jim

[Danny Donovan]

That sounds hilarious.

I've never met Grant Morrison, but from interviews I've read and heard, he seems like quite a character, and more importantly a genuinely decent human being.

He is! There was another funny bit later in the evening when I tried to get a picture with him for the "road trip documentation" thing, four attempts and we could not get one shot where both of us had our eyes open in it. lol. I think paije still has the picture on her comp somewhere.

Matt, I e-mailed you those messages because of the character limit on PMs. let me know if you got them

the person in question doesn't want them posted on the forums but doesn't mind you, or gail or anyone seeing them privately and would be interested in your alls thoughts.

[DocAbsurd]

Rest assured:

I am being quiet, but that doesn't mean I'm being inactive.

I've just gotta keep my mouth shut publicly about what our attorney may or may not be doing.

'Course, I wouldn't mind knowing what everyone else is doing . . .




Doc 'TightLip Sunk His Own Ship' Absurd

[Cam63]

Mine was not from Onley. I've never dealt with the man. Mine was from someone else. Someone who i can only assume is reading this thread and is free to jump in at any time.

I'm not going to quote his e-mail verbatim. Just that he has accused me of slander due to things said in this thread, blamed stuff on illness, and then hinted at legal action.

I'm going to send a very carefully worded response. Still, like I said, the dude is free to jump on in and defend himself.

Sounds like a sound guy.

[Cam63]

Actually, I suck at foreign languages. But I am still probably better at French than Olney is at English

That's no biggie. Inspector Clouseau with two socks in his mouth can handle English better than Reeeek.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Matt, I e-mailed you those messages because of the character limit on PMs. let me know if you got them

the person in question doesn't want them posted on the forums but doesn't mind you, or gail or anyone seeing them privately and would be interested in your alls thoughts.

My thoughts? Again...Olney is a lying jackass. Rick Olney: YOU ARE A LYING JACKASS. YOU LIE. YOU MAY VERY WELL BE MENTALLY DERANGED. You cannot accept the reality of your situation. You make bogus, baseless threats and you haven't paid ANYONE for their services in ALL of 2006. I am not even sure you are human...

My thoughts are that that chap should ABSOLUTELY put the screws to him. I will gladly send him a link to everything I have gathered so far, if he wants. But he better get after Rick.

[Danny Donovan]

Rest assured:

I am being quiet, but that doesn't mean I'm being inactive.

I've just gotta keep my mouth shut publicly about what our attorney may or may not be doing.

'Course, I wouldn't mind knowing what everyone else is doing . . .




Doc 'TightLip Sunk His Own Ship' Absurd

Doc, any chance you could PM me with some info to be held confidential? :p I'm really interested as to what you and Momma might have pulled up. I promise to keep my lip tight. lol.

;)

[Matt Doc Martin]

Doc, any chance you could PM me with some info to be held confidential? :p I'm really interested as to what you and Momma might have pulled up. I promise to keep my lip tight. lol.

;)

Same here, Doc A.

[THEDOC]

Would if I could (especially since Chuck Dixon usually hits Chi & the Dixonversers usually have dinner at some point). But I've got a different conference the first weekend of August, and after the expense of SD, flying across country so soon isn't possible.

Another year, I hope.

I will be on the lookout for Chuck then.

[THEDOC]

Who wants to help me put the screws to Rick even more?

Settle down, settle down....

I just need a few of you.

Requirements: YOu need to be folks who have either received documents I sent you and/or docs you have saved yourself.

Send me an email SOON to discuss what I need. (mattdocmartin@gmail.com)

Thanks!

I e-mailed you Matt.

[Yonar]

I think, yeah, that's why the thread's dying down. Those who are taking legal action are not talking about it because it's often a bad plan to talk about legal action. Sometimes, saying things which a lawyer is looking at, filing, etc, weakens your case. Also, really, it's pleasant to think of Olney waking up one day, and find all those idle threats, all the fear and divisiveness, all the abuse of trust, staring him in the face as court case after court case arrives in the mail, with no knowledge of who's next, or what else they have..

Mmmm, does that make me evil?

[Matt Doc Martin]

I think, yeah, that's why the thread's dying down. Those who are taking legal action are not talking about it because it's often a bad plan to talk about legal action. Sometimes, saying things which a lawyer is looking at, filing, etc, weakens your case. Also, really, it's pleasant to think of Olney waking up one day, and find all those idle threats, all the fear and divisiveness, all the abuse of trust, staring him in the face as court case after court case arrives in the mail, with no knowledge of who's next, or what else they have..

Mmmm, does that make me evil?

Hey...I am shouting mine.

[Yonar]

Hey...I am shouting mine.

Well, yeah, but like most Criminal cases, it's not really your case, but the state's.

You can't weaken the evidence by talking about it.

You can, however, make statements about communication between yourself and him which may in fact weaken a civil case.

Thus...

[THEDOC]

Well, I'm aware of a couple people who are suing. Whether they've begun or not, I don't yet know.

About this thread winding down--if it does, it does. I never tried to 'guide' this thing at all, not to make it big or to slow it down. It's been all organic, and as some of the people who haven't come forward yet are planning litigation, and as Olney's threats are, as always, just farts in a rainstorm, there's going to be a bit of a lull. That's fine. I don't think anyone's interested in creating fake drama, or I hope not.

However, Rick's a funky monkey and he's still trying to get out of this without paying anyone. I'm sure we're nowhere near the end.

Best,

Gail

I'm just sorry I have no more inspiring Olney mail to share.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Well, yeah, but like most Criminal cases, it's not really your case, but the state's.

You can't weaken the evidence by talking about it.

You can, however, make statements about communication between yourself and him which may in fact weaken a civil case.

Thus...

Yeah,,,but it sure is nice to watch the State run with it.

[Cam63]

Tell me, is it true that your sheep tremble in fear at the sight of a kilt, or is it just the bad Sean Connery impression?

And why does he have a scottish accent no matter what nationality he plays? X:

He's such a Scottish icon, he's only expected to play himself and foreign accents are for actors who take themselves too seriously.

Tha'sh the Shawn Connery way.

[Yonar]

Yeah,,,but it sure is nice to watch the State run with it.

Beautiful, in fact.

As Eroll would say "It's the Bollocks" (and 10 points for those who recognize the esoteric quote of the day.

You're Teh Awesome Matt, for this great move. And I'm loving reading about the progress.

[Cam63]

I think, yeah, that's why the thread's dying down. Those who are taking legal action are not talking about it because it's often a bad plan to talk about legal action. Sometimes, saying things which a lawyer is looking at, filing, etc, weakens your case. Also, really, it's pleasant to think of Olney waking up one day, and find all those idle threats, all the fear and divisiveness, all the abuse of trust, staring him in the face as court case after court case arrives in the mail, with no knowledge of who's next, or what else they have..

Mmmm, does that make me evil?

Yes, but in a nice way. :)

[Koben Kelly]

Grant's a cool dude.
He's grrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat.
:p

You should hear him belt out a Lennon tune. Fookin' brrrrrilliant.

[Cam63]

Can't ye now?

:brogues:

I believe it's, " Kant ye noo ? "

[Koben Kelly]

He is! There was another funny bit later in the evening when I tried to get a picture with him for the "road trip documentation" thing, four attempts and we could not get one shot where both of us had our eyes open in it. lol.

Anyone interested in a pic of Grant and I at SDCC, check out my slideshow:

http://www.myspace.com/kobenkelly

Skinheads unite!! Oi!