Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber? [Archive] - Page 49

uncannythings

01-31-2007, 10:48 PM

Hi everyone!
I'm Chris, and I'm yet another person Rick owes money to. However, I'm suing Gail for 2 days of lost wages, as that's what it took me to read EVERY SINGLE PAGE of this monster thread. No really, I am. In fact, I came *this* close to being fired from my job, because of time spent reading this, but since I'm self employed with a staff of one, I convinced myself I'd be too short handed if I let myself go, so I just docked myself 2 days pay.

After letterer Dave Rothe left TightLip, I came aboard as his replacement letterer. I'm also the person who did the clock merchandising deal with him. Here's some of the info I have via saved emails (yes, like Gail and others, I have a complete archive of emails from Pricky Dick) or saved screenshots of forum pages. I'll say right up front my archives are incomplete as I was - and get ready, this may be a shocker - Rick deleted posts from the forums, and I was banned prior to getting a complete archive. Oh, and the forums weren't even public ones, only TLE 'talent' had access to those forums, and even then there were secret hidden forums that only the upper echelon of TLE people had access to (Rick, the PR guy, Rich, and the creative director).
The Freedom 3 logo incident with Dave? Rick claims it was all the creative director's fault, who I'll call JA, as J.T. has previously said that JA wants to stay out of this. JA was also to be JT's inker, and JA could also do some letters and colors. Rick said that yes, the logo Dave did was used by accident, as he did not see the material JA sent to Rich to promote until after the fact, and JA had added the logo digitally. JT, this is also Rick's argument as to why you do not have partial creator rights to the characters - JA put your name on there without consulting Rick. In any case, this of course does not mean Dave should not get paid, he should, as the logo was used. Does this mean JA was in error? No, as Rick should have communicated better, assuming Rick wasn't simply trying to pass the buck.
The colorist, Sarah Heiney (probably butchered the spelling) was not stolen away from Rick / TLE. Rick admitted on the TLE creator forums that she simply decided not to work with Rick given that 30 days after Rick 'hired' her, she had not gotten her contract yet, and had only gotten the email runaround from Pricky Dick.
JT, Rick had pretty much as said on the TLE forums that you weren't going to get paid after you left, simply because he had no intention of ever using the work you did. Of course, that was obviously yet another lie as he did use the art on myspace, the TLE site, and elsewhere. He also slammed your ability and intelligence. Again, shocking, huh?

So here's my story. Flashback to early Dec 2005. I had very recently moved from San Antonio TX to middle of nowhere, Winona MN, to be with my girlfriend. I had been able to pick up some work, but only some temp work, as my office / retail skills weren't in much demand in what is primarily a factory town. I had read that Rick was looking for a letterer, so I contacted him. We exchanged emails, and he seemed initially very upbeat, positive, and ready to get some books on the stands. I sent him various styles of both hand lettering and digital lettering, Rick seemed to like what he saw, so I was hired. Rick told me there were a couple initial projects, but things were really going to kick in high gear come the beginning of January. I confirmed that this was definitely he case, as I had enough saved I could skate by until January, but not through to February. Rick said not to worry, things would be fine, and I would be doing at least 6 books, 2 a month for 3 months, if not more. We discussed rates, and being a newbie, I was given a rate that I thought was fair. 3 weeks later, right before Christmas, Rick finally sent the NDA to me, which I did have notarized and I sent back. I started asking Rick when I would see my contract, and did he have anything for me to start on. He said the contracts should be in the mail soon, and for right now he wanted character sheets done, for which I would be paid later at the penciller rate. I said OK, and not being the fastest penciller, I took 2 of the characters, Anchor, the fiery femme with a touch too much, and someone else. I did the pencils for 3/4 the Anchor sheet, and sent digital files to JA for inks. JA made a point of inking all the character sheets in such a way that regardless of who the penciller was, there was a similar look to them, which I thought was a good idea. About this time we're halfway through Jan, and I'm beginning to stress about finances. Have I mentioned there's 2 little blonde girl-things in the house as well? A 7 year old, and a somewhat severe special needs 12 year old. Have I mentioned my girlfriend is a full-time student, so the only cash flow is her school loans / grants, and the occasional child support payment from her ex - and whatever I bring in. I tell JA I cannot do the second character sheet - I'm too busy doing what I need to in order to make sure there's food on the table and the heat stays on, like selling my Tim Bradstreet Punisher #32 cover on ebay at a significant loss (but I didn't sell my 2 ChrisCross pages!). At that point I had the idea to do customized / personalized wall clocks, and sell them online, as I had dabbled with that before. I start asking Rick when am I going to be doing some lettering work, and when am I supposed to get my contract? Rick replies back, saying he'd like to see some lettering samples from me, and he's working out the details of my contract. However, he can't remember what rate I was supposed to be getting. Rolling my eyes and shrugging, I sent Rick the exact same samples as before, and quoted Rick a rate of near double what we had already agreed upon, but still slightly below pro (Marvel or DC) letterer pay. Rick, knowing he is never going to pay anything, agrees to the rate. No contract though. So, while I'm participating on the TLE 'talent' forums, I start building a clock business online. Rick starts talking about wanting promo merchandise for an upcoming convention, even though noone's seen a script or plot for either Freedom 3 or Monster Squad (interestingly enough I had already asked him about there being a issue with the Frankenborg name, as while borg is a shortening of cyborg, Paramount might still have a problem with it....Rick assures me Mighty Lawyerman has it covered). I give Rick all kinds of info, where to get stickers, where to get buttons, people who can do travel / coffee mugs - having spent the previous 15+ years in various bands I have a pretty good knowledge of where to get promo merchandise. I also offered up the idea of wall clocks, thinking any extra cash is good! Rick and everyone at the then-current TLE 'bullpen' all liked the idea, and Rick and I cut a deal for 3 styles of clocks (a Freedom 3 shot, a Monster Squad shot, and a clock with the TLE drooly tongue logo - no, seriously!), and he wanted an initial run of 36 clocks, 12 of each style. I'm thinking to myself, who in bloody hell would want a clock of that stupid ass drooly tongue logo, but hey, I'm still thinking I'm going to get paid, so I don't try to tell him how ridiculous that is. I quote him a total cost, including shipping, and he agrees to it, and tells me to go ahead and start on the clocks. I explain there's going to be a 2-3 week lead time in order to get the clocks from the distributor, and to do all the prep / building. He says no problem, go ahead, you'll get a check with your contract before they arrive, so I place the order for the clocks. Another week-10 days go by, and nothing is yet happening. I ask Rick again about my contract / check, again he says I should have it soon. The first con Rick wants to premiere at is rushing up quick, so Rick announces we obviously won't be premiering at that show, but he wants us all for another con, and will fly everyone out and out them in a hotel on the TLE tab. I'm thinking, cool, free weekend vacation, so of course I agree, as do most everyone else. If I remember right, JT and others scheduled time off from their day jobs - where they actually got paid - to be able to attend. (Of course, this never happens) Rick busts out his initial Freedom 3 and Monster Squad plots, which I read, and I still have a nervous tic in my left eye from. I remember Spidey Super Stories that were more coherent and entertaining. Hell, I remember Hostess ads in the Spidey Super Stories that were better written. More time goes by, I ask Rick again about my contract / check - it's in the mail. The clocks arrive at my distributor, and I tell Rick I need the payment for the clocks so I can purchase them from the distributor and get to work. Rick is somehow surprised, and says he had planned on paying me in full after he got the clocks. I tell him, no, I can't even afford to buy the clocks at that point, and that he had already said my contract and check were in the mail. Rick then says my contract is on his desk, and before he sends it out, can he see some additional lettering samples from me. At that point I blew up just a hair, and rather than emailing him samples, as I had before, I posted them on the forums. Rick says he'll get everything in the mail for me, and that he wants some lettering done for banner ads for the books. No problem, I do that for him, and send it off the JA. Another week goes by, my distributor is sitting on the clocks for me, no check, no contract. Rick tells me via email that he had sent out a contract and check, that he didn't know what had happened, it must have been lost in the mail. He says he'll send out another set UPS. Another week goes by, and nothing. He says he didn't mail it out himself, either his wife or a previously unknown and unmentioned person who helps them with business stuff at their home had shipped it. I ask him for the UPS tracking number, which he ignores.
-end part 1-

uncannythings

01-31-2007, 10:49 PM

-part 2-

I finally make a stink about it on the forums for all the 'talent' to see, and I start communicating much more with JA about everything, asking if he's seen any $$, or if anyone has seen any $$ from Rick. Of course, JA says no. Finally, I simply tell Rick if he dosen't want to complete the deal, that's fine, but we need to work out something so I can at least get the clocks from my distributor, so I don't screw up my newly created business by stiffing my distributor. Rick finally agrees, and 30 days after the clocks have been sitting at my distributors', Rick sent me a check.
Yes, I will repeat it again - he actually sent me a check. It actually even cleared as well. I wish I had made a copy of the check, but I do remember it was a TightLip Entertainment check, not a personal check, and I remember it was signed by his wife, not Rick himself. Also, the check was simply for my exact cost of getting the clocks from the distributor. No contract, though. Rick wanted me to complete the order and he would pay me upon receipt, I simply told him no. Around that time Rick got monumentally pissed at Frank Miller, for having the idea of Batman fighting Bin Laden, when Bin Laden was planned for F3's intro villain. He wanted to get at least the F3 #1 cover out immediately, so people didn't think he was trying to steal Miller's thunder. *snicker* JT and JA busted everything out super quick, but while they were doing so, I got terribly sick, and spent a couple days in the hospital, so JA did the letters for that cover. The 2 'talents' doing Monster Squad (I won't name them as they haven't been named yet) had finished the cover, so JA passed it to me for the letters. I did the first batch, and JA liked it, but Rick decided to micro manage, and had me change a few things. No problem, I made the changes. Around this time I finally actually did get the contract, but I did not sign it or send it back. Rick had been getting progressively more disrespectful towards me in emails and on the TLE forums, an example would be that I had stated I was learning Illustrator, as previously everything I'd done was either handlettering, or in PSP. Everyone else was very supportive, except for Rick, who made comments along the lines of not realizing he had hired someone who didn't know what they were doing. Rick and JA had been having some very serious issues, and JA said he was leaving. About that time the meltdown between Rick and JT was going on. I decided with JA going, I didn't want anything to do any longer with Rick, and I announced that I was leaving as well. Rick said that I had to still work for him for 30 days, as that was in the contract. I said I had never signed the contract, and did not want to continue to do work I didn't feel I was going to get paid for. Rick said he knew I was going to pull that, as it was right around his deadline for the second Freedom 3 cover to be finished with the lettering (absolutely zero interior pages had been completed at this point), and he knew I was an unprofessional flake and had never actually completed anything for TLE (cover? banner ads? character sheet? umm...). Rick said he had already told Dave Lamphear (sp?) what an unprofessional flake I was so Dave was ready to get it done for me. Rick then banned me from the forums. In email Rick said that I would not get paid for the work done until I signed the contract but as far as he knew JA had done the banner ads, and JT had done the character sheet, so I had to go to JA and ask him to email Rick and tell him exactly what was the case. I then simply decided, and told Rick, that we should just for get everything, I would keep the clocks paid for by him as payment for the work done, and use the clocks for my regular business. At first he agree, but then decided he wanted to recant - or to dumb it down for Pricky Rick, since we all know he don't unnerstan dem commie type words, he decided that even though he took his finger off the checker piece, he wanted a do-over, and told me he wanted to complete the clock deal, and would sent me payment in full after he received the clock, otherwise I would feel the unholy wrath of the Mighty Lawyerman. I told him no, he had already made an agreement via email, and as far as I was concerned, it was a done deal, and I never wanted to hear from him again. Rick did email me twice more after that, both times his email went into my TLE folder unanswered.
The 2 saddest things about this? I had to spend hours and hours totally redoing the nasty drooly tongue TLE logo, as all he had was a tiny gif file for icon / avatars, and did not have a larger size file that would look clean and solid and not pixilated on a 9 inch clock. Not that anything could be done to make that logo actually look good, but at least it was a clean, large image. It still makes my head hurt to see that logo, it is rather gross and creepy. The second saddest thing? I haven't looked for work in comics on any level since. That's especially sad as I've actually gotten really solid with Illustrator since then, what with making over 55000 clocks between ebay and my website.
Nowadays I just make clocks, although I'd love to letter again. Anyone want to hire me cheap? I won't double my rates on you like I did Rick, I promise! Of course, double of nothing is still nothing, but hey...
I'd really considered taking up the mighty hero Mark Waid on pursuing this legally, but I figure I should stand by what I originally told Rick - I got paid for the basic clocks, I'll call it even. He doesn't owe me that much above what the clocks cost, and I've long since used those clocks for real paying customers anyhow.
However, that being said, if there's anything I could do to help anyone else out in this matter, just say the word. I have some TLE forum archives, as well as all of Pricky Ricks' correspondence with me. I'm also, believe it or not, leaving out a great deal of what went on.
Rick, we all know you are reading this. I know you will add me to your list of bad people that need legal spankings. I fully anticipate you will email me, telling me about how deep a hole I've dug myself by posting on here, and that I have violated my NDA. I'm sure you'll tell me that your Mighty Lawyerman will be contacting me and that I'm in for a world of hurt. Rick, I'll say right here, that I will not respond to any emails from you, and I will post them here on the forum. I'll also say right here that I not only welcome and legal action on your part towards me, but I actively encourage it, as then I could make public the secret identity of Mighty Lawyerman.
You know who Rick really reminds me of? Dennis Rader, Wichita's serial killer, BTK (Bind, Torture, and Kill). His neighbors were fooled by him. His family was fooled by him. Everyone he was physically around day-to-day only knew one side of him, the side that was not a psychopath. Like BTK, Rick had a lot of people fooled for quite some time, thinking he was a good person. Fortunately Rick only kills trust and friendships (and any hope he had for a career in comics) and not people. However, given the threats he's put on here, the racist, homophobic, misogynist tendencies he's shown, and the obvious patterns of erratic behavior shown, I do think a psychiatric evaluation is called for. Not knowing the military at all, would a section 8 qualify as an honorable discharge?

Gail, Mark Waid, Kurt Busiek, Larry Dixon & Mercedes Lackey, I had respect and admiration for you guys before, now that has increased a hundredfold. Actually, that pretty much applies to everyone who's proactively involved with this situation. You guys are true heroes.

So do I get a prize for longest ever introductory post?
Thanks, Chris

Papergirl

01-31-2007, 10:56 PM

Welcome, Chris!

This sounds SO familiar. Classic Olney. I'm sorry you've had to go through all of this!

Just FYI: I'll take whatever archives of the posts you have. As you know, he went on a deleting spree HERE, too, and we've since taken measures to ensure we have any future posts from him. Just shoot me an e-mail through the forums here, and I'll reply. I'm NOT putting my e-mail addy here, as Dick will see it. (Yes, we KNOW you're still reading, peanut, even if you won't come out to play!)

EDIT:

I'll also say right here that I not only welcome and legal action on your part towards me, but I actively encourage it, as then I could make public the secret identity of Mighty Lawyerman.

So, there really IS a lawyer? A *real* lawyer, and not a Do-It-Yourself-Matlock Kit? I bet he/she is getting a good laugh at Dick's expense.

~Bev

TCJohnson

01-31-2007, 11:07 PM

Has everybody here been hospitalized while doing work for Rick? I really see a trend here.

THEDOC

01-31-2007, 11:11 PM

Hi everyone!
I'm Chris, and I'm yet another person Rick owes money to.
After letterer Dave Rothe left TightLip, I came aboard as his replacement letterer. I'm also the person who did the clock merchandising deal with him. Here's some of the info I have via saved emails (yes, like Gail and others, I have a complete archive of emails from Pricky Dick) or saved screenshots of forum pages. I'll say right up front my archives are incomplete as I was - and get ready, this may be a shocker - Rick deleted posts from the forums, and I was banned prior to getting a complete archive. Oh, and the forums weren't even public ones, only TLE 'talent' had access to those forums, and even then there were secret hidden forums that only the upper echelon of TLE people had access to (Rick, the PR guy, Rich, and the creative director).
The Freedom 3 logo incident with Dave? Rick claims it was all the creative director's fault, who I'll call JA, as J.T. has previously said that JA wants to stay out of this. JA was also to be JT's inker, and JA could also do some letters and colors. Rick said that yes, the logo Dave did was used by accident, as he did not see the material JA sent to Rich to promote until after the fact, and JA had added the logo digitally. JT, this is also Rick's argument as to why you do not have partial creator rights to the characters - JA put your name on there without consulting Rick. In any case, this of course does not mean Dave should not get paid, he should, as the logo was used. Does this mean JA was in error? No, as Rick should have communicated better, assuming Rick wasn't simply trying to pass the buck.
The colorist, Sarah Heiney (probably butchered the spelling) was not stolen away from Rick / TLE. Rick admitted on the TLE creator forums that she simply decided not to work with Rick given that 30 days after Rick 'hired' her, she had not gotten her contract yet, and had only gotten the email runaround from Pricky Dick.
JT, Rick had pretty much as said on the TLE forums that you weren't going to get paid after you left, simply because he had no intention of ever using the work you did. Of course, that was obviously yet another lie as he did use the art on myspace, the TLE site, and elsewhere. He also slammed your ability and intelligence. Again, shocking, huh?

So here's my story. Flashback to early Dec 2005. I had very recently moved from San Antonio TX to middle of nowhere, Winona MN, to be with my girlfriend. I had been able to pick up some work, but only some temp work, as my office / retail skills weren't in much demand in what is primarily a factory town. I had read that Rick was looking for a letterer, so I contacted him. We exchanged emails, and he seemed initially very upbeat, positive, and ready to get some books on the stands. I sent him various styles of both hand lettering and digital lettering, Rick seemed to like what he saw, so I was hired. Rick told me there were a couple initial projects, but things were really going to kick in high gear come the beginning of January. I confirmed that this was definitely he case, as I had enough saved I could skate by until January, but not through to February. Rick said not to worry, things would be fine, and I would be doing at least 6 books, 2 a month for 3 months, if not more. We discussed rates, and being a newbie, I was given a rate that I thought was fair. 3 weeks later, right before Christmas, Rick finally sent the NDA to me, which I did have notarized and I sent back. I started asking Rick when I would see my contract, and did he have anything for me to start on. He said the contracts should be in the mail soon, and for right now he wanted character sheets done, for which I would be paid later at the penciller rate. I said OK, and not being the fastest penciller, I took 2 of the characters, Anchor, the fiery femme with a touch too much, and someone else. I did the pencils for 3/4 the Anchor sheet, and sent digital files to JA for inks. JA made a point of inking all the character sheets in such a way that regardless of who the penciller was, there was a similar look to them, which I thought was a good idea. About this time we're halfway through Jan, and I'm beginning to stress about finances. Have I mentioned there's 2 little blonde girl-things in the house as well? A 7 year old, and a somewhat severe special needs 12 year old. Have I mentioned my girlfriend is a full-time student, so the only cash flow is her school loans / grants, and the occasional child support payment from her ex - and whatever I bring in. I tell JA I cannot do the second character sheet - I'm too busy doing what I need to in order to make sure there's food on the table and the heat stays on, like selling my Tim Bradstreet Punisher #32 cover on ebay at a significant loss (but I didn't sell my 2 ChrisCross pages!). At that point I had the idea to do customized / personalized wall clocks, and sell them online, as I had dabbled with that before. I start asking Rick when am I going to be doing some lettering work, and when am I supposed to get my contract? Rick replies back, saying he'd like to see some lettering samples from me, and he's working out the details of my contract. However, he can't remember what rate I was supposed to be getting. Rolling my eyes and shrugging, I sent Rick the exact same samples as before, and quoted Rick a rate of near double what we had already agreed upon, but still slightly below pro (Marvel or DC) letterer pay. Rick, knowing he is never going to pay anything, agrees to the rate. No contract though. So, while I'm participating on the TLE 'talent' forums, I start building a clock business online. Rick starts talking about wanting promo merchandise for an upcoming convention, even though noone's seen a script or plot for either Freedom 3 or Monster Squad (interestingly enough I had already asked him about there being a issue with the Frankenborg name, as while borg is a shortening of cyborg, Paramount might still have a problem with it....Rick assures me Mighty Lawyerman has it covered). I give Rick all kinds of info, where to get stickers, where to get buttons, people who can do travel / coffee mugs - having spent the previous 15+ years in various bands I have a pretty good knowledge of where to get promo merchandise. I also offered up the idea of wall clocks, thinking any extra cash is good! Rick and everyone at the then-current TLE 'bullpen' all liked the idea, and Rick and I cut a deal for 3 styles of clocks (a Freedom 3 shot, a Monster Squad shot, and a clock with the TLE drooly tongue logo - no, seriously!), and he wanted an initial run of 36 clocks, 12 of each style. I'm thinking to myself, who in bloody hell would want a clock of that stupid ass drooly tongue logo, but hey, I'm still thinking I'm going to get paid, so I don't try to tell him how ridiculous that is. I quote him a total cost, including shipping, and he agrees to it, and tells me to go ahead and start on the clocks. I explain there's going to be a 2-3 week lead time in order to get the clocks from the distributor, and to do all the prep / building. He says no problem, go ahead, you'll get a check with your contract before they arrive, so I place the order for the clocks. Another week-10 days go by, and nothing is yet happening. I ask Rick again about my contract / check, again he says I should have it soon. The first con Rick wants to premiere at is rushing up quick, so Rick announces we obviously won't be premiering at that show, but he wants us all for another con, and will fly everyone out and out them in a hotel on the TLE tab. I'm thinking, cool, free weekend vacation, so of course I agree, as do most everyone else. If I remember right, JT and others scheduled time off from their day jobs - where they actually got paid - to be able to attend. (Of course, this never happens) Rick busts out his initial Freedom 3 and Monster Squad plots, which I read, and I still have a nervous tic in my left eye from. I remember Spidey Super Stories that were more coherent and entertaining. Hell, I remember Hostess ads in the Spidey Super Stories that were better written. More time goes by, I ask Rick again about my contract / check - it's in the mail. The clocks arrive at my distributor, and I tell Rick I need the payment for the clocks so I can purchase them from the distributor and get to work. Rick is somehow surprised, and says he had planned on paying me in full after he got the clocks. I tell him, no, I can't even afford to buy the clocks at that point, and that he had already said my contract and check were in the mail. Rick then says my contract is on his desk, and before he sends it out, can he see some additional lettering samples from me. At that point I blew up just a hair, and rather than emailing him samples, as I had before, I posted them on the forums. Rick says he'll get everything in the mail for me, and that he wants some lettering done for banner ads for the books. No problem, I do that for him, and send it off the JA. Another week goes by, my distributor is sitting on the clocks for me, no check, no contract. Rick tells me via email that he had sent out a contract and check, that he didn't know what had happened, it must have been lost in the mail. He says he'll send out another set UPS. Another week goes by, and nothing. He says he didn't mail it out himself, either his wife or a previously unknown and unmentioned person who helps them with business stuff at their home had shipped it. I ask him for the UPS tracking number, which he ignores.
-end part 1-

My gosh, that is quite a story/background info. Again Rick preys on folks who really need funds to keep going.
I can't wait what Rick's repy will be IF he ever posts again.
How is the clock business and what is your website? Maybe we should do an Unscrewed clock. An Onley clock would run backwards.

THEDOC

01-31-2007, 11:12 PM

Whenever I went on the TLE Forum all I saw were Spambots. I even told Rick to get his security better on that site. I don't thnk I saw any regular posts but one. I guess I couldn't see the hidden TLE employee ones.

THEDOC

01-31-2007, 11:14 PM

Has everybody here been hospitalized while doing work for Rick? I really see a trend here.

Yeah though as we know Rick should be the one hospitalized. A mental ward I mean (in case Rick says I threatened him)

Samuel Catalino

01-31-2007, 11:42 PM

I don't know too much about what my brother had to deal with a reading problem, but during summer school in 1968 or 1969 he ended up having to read Thor 166 to work on his reading skills.

The concept kind of predates a lot of what has been mentioned here by decades, and no doubt someone could point out to me something earlier. Maybe Classics Illustrated could come into mind?

Sure comes a long way from the days when the nuns would take my comics from me and whack me on the hands in school.

Cam63

01-31-2007, 11:47 PM

Welcome, Chris/uncanny things.

Grab an Olney pitchfork and start jabbin'.

Cam63

01-31-2007, 11:48 PM

JTPencils

01-31-2007, 11:53 PM

JT, Rick had pretty much as said on the TLE forums that you weren't going to get paid after you left, simply because he had no intention of ever using the work you did. Of course, that was obviously yet another lie as he did use the art on myspace, the TLE site, and elsewhere. He also slammed your ability and intelligence. Again, shocking, huh?

Thanks for stopping by and recounting what went on Chris, I was just discussing you, and the whole clock situation, today with JA.

I'm not surprised by that at all. But as we both know, Rick used my work continuously after I left to promote his intentions (and that's all they are, no actual product ever to be the case). And whether he used it or not in actual print, it WAS used for said promotional items, he still owes me for the work, whether it see's print or not. He okay'd it, he accepted it... I can't help if it sits in a drawer after I've turned it in. It's still work to be paid for. So that's not a surprise. What I had to laugh at was that he actually asked to "friend" me at MySpace after I had left... and the offer that I could come back anytime I wished. If I even considered that for a brief second, I would have questioned my own intelligence!!!

If you DO have a lawyer's name though Chris, by all mean's divulge man... we'd love to know... not just for our own selfish satisfaction... but so that we can finally direct the lawsuits in the right direction. So if you have a name... tell tell tell. Trust me, there's nothing peanut can do about that.

wishlish

01-31-2007, 11:55 PM

You guys are true heroes.

So do I get a prize for longest ever introductory post?
Thanks, Chris

Hey, thanks for telling your story! Congrats for joining the side of the righteous!

Why don't you post examples of your digital lettering work? I'd love to see it, and there's enough pros here that you'll get quality advice. Also, have you ever read Comicraft's book on digital lettering? It's a great book for those learning the trade.

wishlish

01-31-2007, 11:58 PM

If you DO have a lawyer's name though Chris, by all mean's divulge man... we'd love to know... not just for our own selfish satisfaction... but so that we can finally direct the lawsuits in the right direction. So if you have a name... tell tell tell. Trust me, there's nothing peanut can do about that.

I have to ask this question.

WHY do people need the lawyer's name to sue Olney? There's no rule that states that a guy has to have a lawyer to be sued. Just sue Olney. There's a 99.999995% chance that there is no lawyer anyway. I'd bet even money he'll try to defend himself at trial. Am I missing something?

JTPencils

01-31-2007, 11:59 PM

About that time the meltdown between Rick and JT was going on.

That's where I caused Rick chest pains.... ahhhhhhh those were the days.

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 12:01 AM

Hi everyone!

The colorist, Sarah Heiney (probably butchered the spelling) was not stolen away from Rick / TLE. Rick admitted on the TLE creator forums that she simply decided not to work with Rick given that 30 days after Rick 'hired' her, she had not gotten her contract yet, and had only gotten the email runaround from Pricky Dick.
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First of all, Welcome Chris, enjoy your stay at our little 'olney orphan' club house. I believe Bev and Sarah (not be confused with colorist Sara, sans h) made cookies and drinks in the corner.

I was half joking when I said Sara Heiney-Ramirez was stolen. It was sort of an inside joke between Sara and myself. Sara and I had worked together before at an indie company Committed Comics, and we lost touch over the years when the company ended up not doing much.

I saw her on the MMC forums, I suppose Rick contacted her about working for him or whatever and she popped on, I recoginzed her Sara_Croft screen name she had for years, and popped in, said hi, congratulated her on ther then brand spanking new marriage, and that was it.

I suppose a few days later, she decided she couldn't work with him anymore and Rick started sending me beligerent e-mails asking me "what did you say to Sara, are you trying to turn her against me?"

We went back and forth, and it was a very mean spirited dialogue, which resulted in the first time I was not welcome at the MMC forums

I e-mailed Sara and apologised if Rick was mean to her because I had the "audacity" to speak to an old friend and told her if she was ever free I had a project I was interested in having her color.

She told me she cut her ties with Rick so she'd be happy to color my thing, eventually she did.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/dannydonovan3/NeitzscheFalling-iss-2.jpg

And then eventually took over on a manga project I was doing.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/dannydonovan3/Random/nocturne_poster_03_layout-1.jpg

And then I was sent a very passive agressive message from Rick via Myspace after seeing her work in one of my blogs:

"Apr 3, 2006 9:09 PM
RE: Yeah, it is me...

Danny,
First allow me to extended belated condolences on the passing of your step-father to you and your mom. I'm gald that life has settled down.

Cool that you're crankin' on Neitchzse Falling. Tell Jim Richey I said hello, okay? I figure he might grumble a little perhaps...but I did enjoy some of those conversations a time back before things went south. And Sarah... Heh, heh... glad to see that you were able to gain her colors. I hear that she's sweet and talented at her craft. 'Course, I couldn't get her contract out fast enough to suit her. Oh, well... we've recovered nicely and look to be cranking two books out before August (deadline is June release with a July cover) and two in the fall. That would be the one shot BLOOD HARVEST (which you and Gigi will be in) and DEEP BLUE.

Let me contact you on the columns/ebay money. I've added it to a short list and this time I'll walk it up the list as these debts get sent for pay-out. I can't promise an exact date ... but I'll make it as soon as possible.
I'll also throw in a couple BLOOD HARVEST t-shirts and a couple posters for you and Gigi.

Glad we can work this out. It should give all concerned some glee to learn that even Sam Catalino got pissed at me and walked off the MMC. Heh, heh... Tell Jim Richey that... he'll pee his pants laughing, I'll bet.

I guess I just can't help being a jerk sometimes. If this friendship is gonna work -- don't give me any advice. :) ;)
Hope all is well with you. You're a good guy.

~Rick "

And so, there was no real "thieving" just an initial bout of paranoia then excused by Sara being too 'special' to work sans contract. She was smarter than all of us put together!

I do remember hearing that he shouted that Sara and I "weren't as great as we thought we were." for leaving TLE...

JTPencils

02-01-2007, 12:02 AM

I have to ask this question.

WHY do people need the lawyer's name to sue Olney? There's no rule that states that a guy has to have a lawyer to be sued. Just sue Olney. There's a 99.999995% chance that there is no lawyer anyway. I'd bet even money he'll try to defend himself at trial. Am I missing something?

You're probably right Wish... just that it sounded like Chris actually has a name. Something that's been a burning (and avoided for some reason) question by many here. So if he's got one... we'd just like to know. It's just a matter of pulling back the curtain, and exposing the "Wizard" for what he really is.

JTPencils

02-01-2007, 12:12 AM

Papergirl

02-01-2007, 12:16 AM

Announcement!!

I will be gone for two weeks, the ol laptop's going under the knife for some repairs, they said it can take one to two weeks... so I won't be around to post or anything. Doesn't mean I've lost interest or anything, just won't be able to check in to see progress here or at Unscrewed!. Hopefully I won't fall too far behind... plus I'll want to know what's going on with the auction as well!

I'll be back as soon as possible! Promise!
Awww! You'll be missed! I hope the laptop pulls through the surgery with flying colors!

If you have a way of contacting you offline, shoot me a PM and I'll make sure you're kept up to date.

~Bev

Reverend Smooth

02-01-2007, 12:19 AM

Yes, I will repeat it again - he actually sent me a check. It actually even cleared as well. I wish I had made a copy of the check, but I do remember it was a TightLip Entertainment check, not a personal check, and I remember it was signed by his wife, not Rick himself. Also, the check was simply for my exact cost of getting the clocks from the distributor. No contract, though. Rick wanted me to complete the order and he would pay me upon receipt, I simply told him no.

It is patently clear, right here, that he knows what he's doing. He IS deliberately scamming people out of their work for free, abusing his contacts in attempts to get at what he wants for free.

I mean, I know that this is blatantly obvious, but if some people are somehow confused-- right there, that shows that he was trying to scam you out of your rightly-deserved money and get those clocks for free while using you as some free middleman.

I don't know where he gets his sense of entitlement, but this is simply sociopathic.

J. Morgan (Bat) Neal

02-01-2007, 12:26 AM

So here's my story. Flashback to early Dec 2005. I had very recently moved from San Antonio TX to middle of nowhere, Winona MN, to be with my girlfriend.

Winona Ryder was born in and named after Winona, MN.

'M jus' saying. :cool:

And one more grisly tale to add to the long list. Good on you for sharing it.

wishlish

02-01-2007, 12:36 AM

It is patently clear, right here, that he knows what he's doing. He IS deliberately scamming people out of their work for free, abusing his contacts in attempts to get at what he wants for free.

I mean, I know that this is blatantly obvious, but if some people are somehow confused-- right there, that shows that he was trying to scam you out of your rightly-deserved money and get those clocks for free while using you as some free middleman.

I don't know where he gets his sense of entitlement, but this is simply sociopathic.

WHAM! A Homer! Nice call!

I want to bring up one other thing here. Barbara Olney's involved in this, too. She might be unaware that Rick's running a scam (I doubt it, but still), but she signed the checks for TLE. Anybody suing her is going to have to name her as a defendant, too.

Reverend Smooth

02-01-2007, 12:53 AM

Thanks!
Barbara Olney's involved in this, too. She might be unaware that Rick's running a scam (I doubt it, but still), but she signed the checks for TLE. Anybody suing her is going to have to name her as a defendant, too.I was thinking that, too.

In any case, if he's having her pay his bills, something is seriously wrong with his credit.

JTPencils

02-01-2007, 01:17 AM

Awww! You'll be missed! I hope the laptop pulls through the surgery with flying colors!

If you have a way of contacting you offline, shoot me a PM and I'll make sure you're kept up to date.

~Bev

Thanks Bev, sent the PM (actually, it got sent three times, sorry... stupid low signal hotel wifi, I hate it!).

I look forward to being kept up to date!

Cam63

02-01-2007, 01:28 AM

Announcement!!

I will be gone for two weeks, the ol laptop's going under the knife for some repairs, they said it can take one to two weeks... so I won't be around to post or anything. Doesn't mean I've lost interest or anything, just won't be able to check in to see progress here or at Unscrewed!. Hopefully I won't fall too far behind... plus I'll want to know what's going on with the auction as well!

I'll be back as soon as possible! Promise!

I'll guard your beer!

*gulpgulpgulpgulpgulpgulp...*

OzBat!

02-01-2007, 02:03 AM

Welp, normally we don't make it a habit to post messages passed to the CBR administrators, but this one was too good to let go. Guess who was so upset that he was unable to keep deleting his posts, that he tried to get the entire thread locked? The following message was sent to you via the Comic Book Resources Forums Contact Us
form by orcafresh.

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http://forums.comicbookresources.com...d.php?t=156451

I respectfully request that Jonah or someone with some grasp on legal realities read and address the closing and locking of the above message thread. I'm not going to threaten legal action. It appears that by allowing your forum's contrl people to conduct in this manner of personal attack CBR, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., and Boiling Point Internet engage and condone their activities in this manner. The pieces are going to fall into place. Sorry. I will, however, be kind enough to thank you in advance for any action taken on your part. Thank you.

Sincerely,
Rick
Rick Olney
TightLip EntertainmentYes, you read that right. He's not going to threaten legal action. He's going to imply that legal action is imminent, that "the pieces are going to fall into place". Because he has such a "grasp on legal realities". Hee!

I'm pretty sure somebody's pointed out before, "Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd" are the people responsible for the forum software, they have nothing to do with CBR. And being public forums, CBR isn't responsible for the content of individuals' posts.

It must be killing him that he can't wipe this whole thread clean like he routinely does anywhere else!

Reverend Smooth

02-01-2007, 02:32 AM

Thanks Bev, sent the PM (actually, it got sent three times, sorry... stupid low signal hotel wifi, I hate it!).

I look forward to being kept up to date!

Good luck!

AaronJ

02-01-2007, 03:17 AM

the4thpip

02-01-2007, 03:28 AM

So, does this count as the Return of Peanut or doesn't it?

OzBat!

02-01-2007, 04:31 AM

Nope. This dates back to approximately around the time when we locked his "orcafresh" account to prevent him from deleting posts, from what I understand. I didn't get to see the date stamp on the message itself.

AIPman1

02-01-2007, 05:12 AM

Like I said I do not remember much but I don't remember Rick being the way he is now, I thought he was a great guy who wanted to help with the nhobby/industry.
I thought he was great till I went to the MMC, it was all politics and getting strung along from there.

JTPencils

02-01-2007, 05:25 AM

Welp, normally we don't make it a habit to post messages passed to the CBR administrators, but this one was too good to let go. Guess who was so upset that he was unable to keep deleting his posts, that he tried to get the entire thread locked? Yes, you read that right. He's not going to threaten legal action. He's going to imply that legal action is imminent, that "the pieces are going to fall into place". Because he has such a "grasp on legal realities". Hee!

I'm pretty sure somebody's pointed out before, "Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd" are the people responsible for the forum software, they have nothing to do with CBR. And being public forums, CBR isn't responsible for the content of individuals' posts.

It must be killing him that he can't wipe this whole thread clean like he routinely does anywhere else!

He's not going to threaten legal action? That in itself is a shocker. Oh wait, he then goes on to imply that "things will fall into place". Exactly wtf is that supposed to mean?

It's freedom of speech ya maroon, remember? One of those rights you supposedly defended when you were running around, a pasta collander on your head, pointing a stick and yelling "bam bam bam" playing that you were a Marine running up San Juan Hill with Teddy Roosevelt and the Light Brigade? The contr(o)l people have already stated parameters about what can be discussed here (leaving your family alone, sticking to the basic facts etc), and for the most part, it's been honored. Other then that... it's pretty open game as far as speaking one's mind. Not that you'd understand that... you just don't like it that your usual gamut of tricks, including going back and trying to erase the vicious, hateful, threatening things you toss off as retorts, is going to work here. It's out of your hands... out of your contr(o)l (get some friggin' spell check Moby), and that's just killing you.

Gail Simone

02-01-2007, 05:35 AM

I was literally TOLD I was being selfish once when I again inquired about my payment.

Me, too, and from the emails of his currently unpaid freelancers, they were given the same UNBELIEVABLY OFFENSIVE screed.

Gail

JTPencils

02-01-2007, 05:37 AM

I'll guard your beer!

*gulpgulpgulpgulpgulpgulp...*

Cam, uhhhhhh... I appreciate the gesture mate, but I already took precautions for the beer. So I emptied the bottles out and refilled them with.. uh... see I took them and... well... never mind. You aren't feeling petered out are ya?

DocAbsurd

02-01-2007, 05:38 AM

This thread is out in the open. No-one is banned, no-one is prevented from reading or partaking, no-one has to sneak thru here. It's public knowledge and public information, and while there has been fair share of mud-slinging and supposition, the main focus -- Moby stiffing creator after creator after creator like some Soup Nazi at the Mission Kitchen -- is a simple matter of fact.

Y'can't claim libel (or slander, gotta add that in to cover all of Moby's lawsuit bases) if it's true.

Like I said, it's all out there. Nothing hidden or blocked. Like, say, someone's blog or website where we already know from firsthand confirmation that a certain someone is indeed spreading libelous vitriol like spoiled peanut butter.

Maybe we should look into having our 'pieces' fall into place?

Doc 'No NDA for You!' Absurd

Papergirl

02-01-2007, 05:39 AM

Thanks Bev, sent the PM (actually, it got sent three times, sorry... stupid low signal hotel wifi, I hate it!).

I look forward to being kept up to date!

No worries, JT! Got the PM and added your number. I'll let you know what happens! :)

~Bev

AaronJ

02-01-2007, 05:40 AM

Me, too, and from the emails of his currently unpaid freelancers, they were given the same UNBELIEVABLY OFFENSIVE screed.

Gail

Oh, Gail, get a life. Don't you realize that you *were* being selfish? How could you impose your petty needs, how could any of these people place their small-minded concerns such as their health or their rent or their family's welfare over that of such a great man of the hobby of comics?

If only all of you could finally realize everythign that Rick has contributed and will contribute to the hobby of comics, you would all feel horrible for placing your meaningless "problems" over those which the Great Man had to deal with.

Seems to me that the "talent" is getting a bit uppity.

bmrobson

02-01-2007, 05:40 AM

As to ORCA, I was there at its inception and I was there through its highs and lows.

Dennis

I would have to say shortly after its inception since I don't believe you were a member when we coined the phrase ORCA on a train ride to NYC for the Marvel Holiday party.

Brian

AaronJ

02-01-2007, 05:43 AM

Like, say, someone's blog or website where we already know from firsthand confirmation that a certain someone is indeed spreading libelous vitriol like spoiled peanut butter.

I just gotta say, a propos of nothing, that I love that simile.

Just sayin'.

Typo Lad

02-01-2007, 05:43 AM

I would have to say shortly after its inception since I don't believe you were a member when we coined the phrase ORCA on a train ride to NYC for the Marvel Holiday party.

Brian
As someone who was there from the begining, do you ahve any insight you wish to share?

JTPencils

02-01-2007, 05:43 AM

Me, too, and from the emails of his currently unpaid freelancers, they were given the same UNBELIEVABLY OFFENSIVE screed.

Gail

Gail, you mean he's got a whole NEW crew of unsuspecting folks that he's done this to, again?? I thought he had stopped at round two!!

bmrobson

02-01-2007, 05:48 AM

Rick has also claimed to have started Marvel's 99-cent comics program, something I never heard one peep about in all the time I worked on it.
kdb

Rick got in touch with a PR person from Marvel back in maybe 1994 and we (Rick, myself, and one other) took a bus to NYC to tour Marvel, DC, and Valient. Rick expressed his views on accessibility to younger readers and I'm sure he must have mentioned how comics are out of childrens price range. I believe Rick mentioned that he more inspired it rather than started it, which could be true because they must have thought over what he said at that meeting and future phone calls. I can see why his name never would have come up, giving credit, but he may have had some influence on it getting started a year or so later.

Brian

EdContradictory

02-01-2007, 05:53 AM

AIPman1

02-01-2007, 05:56 AM

Well Joane I want to apologize that you felt uncomfortable during that time. I really believed Rick had gotten the short end of the stick and I was a real WW hater at the time. There were other things going on at the time as well and I just got caught up in it.
Wasn't till later that the truth (as ugly as it was) came out and I still wanted to be friends with Ian Tim and Rick and was hoping we could get back together for the good of the hobby/industry. And do comics.
It's obvious Rick will have to prove himself before I do projects with him again.

When I finally took the stand that Rick had to go from the SPA, it was really hard, and it put a huge strain on EVERYONE involved. It was a war. A war we ALL lost. I wish we hadn't lost the YEARS of our lives and all the efforts we'd gotten going, that what has happened in THIS thread could have happened those years ago. BUT: Seeing it all in hindsight, ALL of us learned a great lesson. I don't think the situation has a chance of happening again. The ranks of those who really care about building a world where self publishing/indy press really can be a career choice, have the opportunity to get that feeling of hope we had ORIGINALLY when we first met each other. Groups and factions of small press and fandom coming together, instead of tearing apart.

Olney threw a monkey wrench into the gears, because he couldn't control everyone. And he used everything in his power to crush me specifically and turn people to his side of things. But like all dictators, you can't stay in power long before the people you hold under your thumb grow unhappy. In the larger sense, beyond the specifics of the NDAs and unpaid creators, is the fact that Olney's fantasy world where he came up with every great idea in comics first, and everyone should love him for it - has crashed.

Please, anyone out there, if I ever start acting like an egomaniac - TELL ME. Slap me. Expose it. I don't ever want to control anything through fear. The SPA has come up with a number of great things, MOST of it through brainstorming, and people tossing in ideas, trial and erroring our way to what works. I know most people associate the SPA with ME...but I want to publicly make sure everyone knows, The SPA does not WORK without everyone working together willingly. These tough years with the US Vs. THEM crap perpetrated by Olney has seen us have to cancell bunches of great projects. Favorite of mine was the CALENDAR. Joanne made one that never saw print, it was a BEAUTIFULL work of art. Phil Clark (Quantum) spearheaded one that we actually got printed, but because of circumstances...we didn't get enough support for it to really be what it should have been.

I'd like to propose here: A Combined SPA/ICC/IF (and I am pretty sure I could get Keith Murphy from the CAG on board as well, because I've discussed it with him previously)...A COMBINED Calendar that promotes ALL Creator and Fan organizations. If there seems to be interest in it, I'll get us moving on it. But it would be a resource with comic conventions noted in the calendar, creator birthdays, and great art from all of the groups members. We can make it a 18 month calendar, and have it ready by the Summer Convention season, for any supporters of any of our groups to sell at their tables.

Papergirl

02-01-2007, 05:59 AM

I would have to say shortly after its inception since I don't believe you were a member when we coined the phrase ORCA on a train ride to NYC for the Marvel Holiday party.

Brian
Welcome, Brian. :)

~Bev

Gail Simone

02-01-2007, 05:59 AM

I think he mainly just gave a "tut tut" to Danny for the way he phrased the message he was passing along. He pretty much specifically only addressed ORCA stuff. This thread, at times, has become a flame war...because whenever insults are just being traded back and forth without anything constructive, that's what it is. Mind you...I'm not begrudging anyone with what they're saying...Rick has come in, said something inflammatory, and then the thread just descends into a flaming shouting match at some point.

Edit: fixed a typo

Understood, but I disagree about the flame war comment. I find that very inappropiate to the questions that have been raised and the many, many allegations of cheating people out of their money.

Gail

bmrobson

02-01-2007, 06:00 AM

Kurt Busiek: Comic Book Writer or Man on a Mission?
Category: Life (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.viewCategory&FriendID=59528410&BlogCategoryID=12)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/orcafresh/kurtbusiekth.jpg

Yes, excuse me. But after reading Kurt Busiek's remarks on the "Gail Simone" bully thread at CBR (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=156451&page=793), I thought I'd respond to be crystal clear on several areas that Mr. Busiek didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground on.

So here are his remarks:

Rick Olney also claims that it was through Mark Alessi, and Tony P. that Beth Widera was brought onboard at CrossGen to guide those efforts with CrossGen's BRIDGES program after ORCA worked with CrossGen to introduce my concept and the guides that ORCA created in actual Florida school test scenarios. Rick Olney, Dennis Kininger, and other agents of ORCA actually made several trips to Florida to visit and spend some time at CrossGen. In 2001, ORCA held an introductory seesion at the Pittsburgh Comicon, supported and acknowledged by CrossGen. In fact, Mark Waid, was scheduled to appear at the session, but had to cancel at the last minute due to illness. We worked with people like Tony P., Ian Feller, and later Chris Oarr for a short time. Funny aside to the Waid aspect of that story was that two years later Chris Oarr during an informal gathering let it be known that Mark Waid wasn't actually sick. He simply blew the request and his confirmation off. Real professional, right?

kdb

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I was with Rick at Megacon when he talked to Mark Alessi (I think) and the program was well under way at the time. Rick mentioned that he basically had the same idea and that it was a good program. I don't know if they worked together on this in the future but I'm sure Rick had nothing to do with the Crossgen program.

Brian

AIPman1

02-01-2007, 06:07 AM

Hey Lance, I know, don't worry.
It was painful, NOT because you did anything wrong, it was painful because I DIDN'T know what to do or reach out or anything.

I'm a true believe that you let people treat people the way they do and back then, I let Rick treat me like crap, I let him turn my friends into enemies. I should have stood up and publicly let the world know what a scumbag he was, maybe this whole thing would have begun a few years back and stopped all the damaged that's happened to others since then.

That's why I admire the people on this thread so much for coming forward. The crap he put me through is NOTHING compared to what you have had to go through and you stood up while I didn't.

If I knew then what I know now...
I think there are MANY who would like to have gotten this going sooner. Fact of the matter is, if Rick had stuck to screwing the self publishing level people, he'd still be doing it, and we'd all still be factioned and separated the way he wanted it. We can thank Rick himself for facilitating his own downfall by bringing in Chuck Dixon to his web of bullshit. That seems to be the straw that broke the dam...

It's not that we didn't stand up, Joanne. It's that we didn't know better. We do now. The Accountability Initiative should protect anyone interested in using it from getting screwed by habitual screwers...once we get it running. I still wish more people from this thread would take an active interest in helping build it, but it'll get done regardless.

Perry Holley

02-01-2007, 06:07 AM

From his weekly column here at CBR:

It's getting to be a rule of thumb that a really bad publisher is one who responds to public criticism by threatening lawsuits. You might notice large publishers usually don't do that unless the circumstances are extreme, and in the case of small publishers it always seems to come up when the publisher hasn't fulfilled the arrangement. Such publishers seem to think the bad publicity of a published news report will cripple their ability to grow their company into a successful one; they seem incapable (though blinding unwilling is probably more accurate) of grasping that if they're in that situation there's not going to ever be a successful company.

And for all the threatened lawsuits from small companies, how many actually happen? Have any ever happened? If small publishers can't afford the terms of their own contracts, can they afford costly torts, or even their lawyers' hourly fees on a protracted basis?

I ♥ Steven Grant.

(in a hetero, man-crush sort of way...)

Gail Simone

02-01-2007, 06:08 AM

Aside from the fact that we actually got the details and history about the "Comics in the Classroom" matter from the website owner in this thread, and know from his testimony how it came about, that "had a little chat" thing that "cleared up" misunderstandings is a load of crap. This current statement of RO's is him trying to rewrite the image of that interaction. What a sorry attempt at it, too, since the discussion regarding that interaction is right here in this thread! Pfft.

As for this....

Why does he constantly insist that people COME TO HIS BLOG TO POST? I mean... especially if one is NOT registered on mySpace? I'm not going to bother doing that just to tell a twerp that he's a twerp. Especially when he makes the invitation couched in an insult! Cripes.

As for Googling "quality writing" and "Kurt Busiek" -- dude! I do searches all day. That's not how you find things out. Yeah, peanut, I know you're trying to look clever, but frankly doing "quality writing" and "Olney" is going to turn up even worse results. To make an insult like that stick, you have to be (1) grounded at least a little bit in reality, and (2) be at least the peer of the person you are insulting. You're missing on both propositions there, peanut.

How funny is it that a talentless hack wannabe would try this on, OF ALL THE GODDAMN PEOPLE IN COMICS, Kurt Busiek, one of the most respected and successful writers the field has ever known?

Hilarious.

Gail

Gail Simone

02-01-2007, 06:14 AM

Gail,

I originally had no intention of returning to this thread but I respect you as a creator, enjoy your work and I liked meeting you so I decided to reply again.

While I truly don't care who dislikes ME (and me alone!) online, I'm not a heartless monster. I only logged on to give a deserved comment to Danny (Apology accepted by the way, Danny) and make a general statement about ORCA and that was it.

Of course, I'm concerned about what is going on and I'm very sorry that it is. I love comics, always will, and I've enjoyed meeting many creators over the years. I know freelancing isn't an easy job.

I haven't been here because I literally have nothing to do with TLE's business plan, so I really can't comment on something I'm not directly involved with. I've already spoken about my part in that 2003 convention. I worked my arse off for that show and did everything I was asked to do. If I had been asked to do something else, I would've done it.

I'm not denying your comments about Rick's behavior, Gail. You've told me that you have the emails as proof and I have no reason to doubt you so there's no need to go into that again with me. I'm just sad and puzzled as to why this has to be going on at all.

But again, I'm not denying that Rick said and did these things, I've been out of the loop on most of it, so I mainly feel caught in the middle. And again, no, I don't need to see your proof, if you say you have it, then you do. I've just never seen the man act abusively in all the years I've known him. This is why I'm puzzled and sad. I'm not doubting you or anyone.

I never said you or anyone was lying. I'm honestly concerned and truly sorry for everyone involved...on both sides. Since, I'm not involved in TLE matters, I'm really unsure what to say. I do care, though. If I could help, I would but all I can offer are words of concern.

I'll always consider Rick a friend, regardless of what's going on. I've known him too many years for that to change.

As to ORCA, as I said before, my first comment was a general one. I haven't been seriously involved with ORCA for some time now, I've moved on to other projects and I don't have the specific data at my immediate disposal (All of my ORCA material is stashed away at home and I'm presently at work) but yes, over a span of at least 10-12 years, I would say we gave away pretty close to Rick's figure of 750,000 free comics. We sent out packages of all shapes and sizes from longboxes to envelopes containing a book or two on a regular basis for years and the books really DO mount up.

I apologize for my "flame war" comment, that came from MY uninformed take on things. I was wrong and I'm sorry.

I'm done with this thread. If you wish to talk further, you know where to reach me, Gail.

I've given my take on matters ORCA, what Rick has said DID happen and NO, I don't have immediate documentation at my fingertips to back everything up. So, you're free to believe what you wish about ORCA, I'm proud of what I did for that club and I'll always have nice memories of it. I've been straightforward with Gail in all of our emails together. I have no need to lie about ORCA's accomplishments and I have no personal agenda and no axes to grind or bridges to burn about anything, everything I've said is true and I hope Gail still accepts my claims of being an honest person and that you respect her as the professional she is, if she wishes to vouch for my word.

Everyone here is free to believe what he/she wishes about me. I've told the truth and said all I wish to say.

I'm truly saddened and puzzled by everything going on. Yes, I DO have concerns for everyone involved in this but I'm really at a loss as to what I can do to improve things.

It takes a great deal for me to sever a long-term friendship. Rick hasn't alienated me and will have my support as a friend outside of this current business.

Since I feel caught in the middle, I'm withdrawing from the conversation here. If it's possible to feel empathy for both sides, I do.

My thanks to those for their positive words and everyone is entitled to their opinions.

Good bye

Dennis

Okay, to me, that's perfectly fair, Dennis, and as far as I'm concerned, that matter is closed.

I'm not trying to put you in the middle, and I realize it's awkward, and even the angriest here acknowledge that standing up for a friend is usually a fine thing.

Again, I think you've proven yourself to be a good guy, and there's not a speck of ill will for you from me, period.

Fair enough?

Gail

bmrobson

02-01-2007, 06:17 AM

Gail Simone

02-01-2007, 06:17 AM

I think he's asking me to nod my head. After all, my brain is my "money maker."

And my money maker enables me to note that Rick is capable of saying flatly that "FCBD was 'borrowed' from ORCA," but on other occasions shows that he has no basis for that claim but a guess:

"Does ORCA have creative ties to Free Comic Book Day? It wouldn't surprise me if Joe Fields and forces at Diamond tapped into any of that which they've seen in letters from me or read illustrated upon the face of the hobby."

Shades of Ric Olie!

kdb

Kurt, I think you do yourself no favors, here...why NOT consider a career as a lap dancer? It's good money and editors almost never call you names!

:)

Gail

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 06:18 AM

Rick got in touch with a PR person from Marvel back in maybe 1994 and we (Rick, myself, and one other) took a bus to NYC to tour Marvel, DC, and Valient. Rick expressed his views on accessibility to younger readers and I'm sure he must have mentioned how comics are out of childrens price range. I believe Rick mentioned that he more inspired it rather than started it, which could be true because they must have thought over what he said at that meeting and future phone calls. I can see why his name never would have come up, giving credit, but he may have had some influence on it getting started a year or so later.

Brian

Thank you for posting Brian. Although if I may interject with my thoughts here, comics didn't "really" start getting expensive until mid '95 when what was left of the newsstand market got eaten up, and Marvel fell into hard times financially.

Yes, prices were going up but by 1994, things were still at the $1.95 price range, there were still lower tier books that clocked in at $1.50. The average middle class allowence around that time was about $5 a week. (at least in the circles I traveled in. Some kids got less, some kids got more, but the happy average was $5)

So kids were easily able to afford a few of their favorite titles each week, since they came out on a monthly basis you picked your favorite, came back next week and grabbed the one you left behind. Now this is the wonderful day when I could walk into my local Revco (old pharmacy that went out of business around the same time Woolworth's did, for those that have never heard of it)

Begrudgingly dating myself, in 1994, I was around 13/14 years old depending on the month. And I never had an issue with the price until it leapt to $2.25, to $2.50 a book in '95 and then in the latter half of the 90's going whole hog at a penny shy of $3 for 22 pages as it is now.

I can tell you with UTMOST CERTAINTY, Orca or Rick Olney was not the first person to mention the rising costs of comics, the first time it broke the dollar barrier there were retailers that raised questions about their bottom line.

But why stop at the 99cent book? why not take credit for the Batman 10cent Adventure? or the Fantastic Four book that started Mark Waid's run that was 5 cents?

While I RESPECT the idea of people fighting for less expensive books, its this "it's just a hobby, it shouldn't cost this much" mentality that causes a great deal of grief.

But let me ask you this, in all honesty. Was it just a "hey, kids can't afford comics these days they should be cheaper" or did anyone with an inkling of how publishing works offer a production plan to be able to offer a cheaper product while at the same time being able to feed the freelancer's family.

comics are not expensive because companies are mean, they're expensive because of the amount of overhead one incurs publishing things in a shrinking market!!!

Now, I could offer up plenty of ideas on how to make things cheaper, but I wouldn't just say "hey things are expensive" and then when the price lowers go "OMG I'M A GENIUS!!! THEY LISTENED TO ME!"

Marvel took a decent loss on the "Over the Edge and Under a Buck" line but it was an acceptible one due to the fact they were in the red and needed to infuse people to purchase their products by offering an entry level position.

Truth be told, unless I can get someone who worked in the industry at that time, to say this is how it went I would have to offer a sense of cynisism.

Seriously, I mean that would be like me calling out Kurt Busiek for shenanigans because he turned Aquaman into a fantasy book when I pitched a similar take on Namor for Marvel Knights when I was still in their good graces.

One thing, has no direct tie to the other. If I did say "KURT OWES ME ROYALTIES FOR THE IDEA AND A SHOT AT WRITING ONE OF HIS PROJECTS" I'd look batshit insane, and no one would believe a word out of my mouth.

But I DO appreciate you coming and posting your side.

AIPman1

02-01-2007, 06:20 AM

Jo-Jo, both Lance and I got very different accounts of what happened at that time; we didn't get half of what actually happened, to be entirely honest. Uncomfortable battlelines were drawn everywhere, and not having the complete story made us believe we were on the side of what was right, not just on Moby's side.
Would anyone mind if I gave Tim a very masculine, hetro HUG?

I made mistakes in the ousting of Rick from the SPA, but it was still the right thing to do. I am truely sorry for anyone that got hurt in the crossfire, and wish
I'd been able to say things back then in a way that people would have beleived me better. I know sometimes, I let the guy push my buttons, and it'd always just make everything worse for everyone.

He doesn't have that power anymore.

bmrobson

02-01-2007, 06:26 AM

Thank you for posting Brian. Although if I may interject with my thoughts here, comics didn't "really" start getting expensive until mid '95 when what was left of the newsstand market got eaten up, and Marvel fell into hard times financially.

Yes, prices were going up but by 1994, things were still at the $1.95 price range, there were still lower tier books that clocked in at $1.50. The average middle class allowence around that time was about $5 a week. (at least in the circles I traveled in. Some kids got less, some kids got more, but the happy average was $5)

So kids were easily able to afford a few of their favorite titles each week, since they came out on a monthly basis you picked your favorite, came back next week and grabbed the one you left behind. Now this is the wonderful day when I could walk into my local Revco (old pharmacy that went out of business around the same time Woolworth's did, for those that have never heard of it)

Begrudgingly dating myself, in 1994, I was around 13/14 years old depending on the month. And I never had an issue with the price until it leapt to $2.25, to $2.50 a book in '95 and then in the latter half of the 90's going whole hog at a penny shy of $3 for 22 pages as it is now.

I can tell you with UTMOST CERTAINTY, Orca or Rick Olney was not the first person to mention the rising costs of comics, the first time it broke the dollar barrier there were retailers that raised questions about their bottom line.

But why stop at the 99cent book? why not take credit for the Batman 10cent Adventure? or the Fantastic Four book that started Mark Waid's run that was 5 cents?

While I RESPECT the idea of people fighting for less expensive books, its this "it's just a hobby, it shouldn't cost this much" mentality that causes a great deal of grief.

But let me ask you this, in all honesty. Was it just a "hey, kids can't afford comics these days they should be cheaper" or did anyone with an inkling of how publishing works offer a production plan to be able to offer a cheaper product while at the same time being able to feed the freelancer's family.

comics are not expensive because companies are mean, they're expensive because of the amount of overhead one incurs publishing things in a shrinking market!!!

Now, I could offer up plenty of ideas on how to make things cheaper, but I wouldn't just say "hey things are expensive" and then when the price lowers go "OMG I'M A GENIUS!!! THEY LISTENED TO ME!"

Marvel took a decent loss on the "Over the Edge and Under a Buck" line but it was an acceptible one due to the fact they were in the red and needed to infuse people to purchase their products by offering an entry level position.

Truth be told, unless I can get someone who worked in the industry at that time, to say this is how it went I would have to offer a sense of cynisism.

Seriously, I mean that would be like me calling out Kurt Busiek for shenanigans because he turned Aquaman into a fantasy book when I pitched a similar take on Namor for Marvel Knights when I was still in their good graces.

One thing, has no direct tie to the other. If I did say "KURT OWES ME ROYALTIES FOR THE IDEA AND A SHOT AT WRITING ONE OF HIS PROJECTS" I'd look batshit insane, and no one would believe a word out of my mouth.

But I DO appreciate you coming and posting your side.

I don't know if he mentioned any ideas but the 99 cent comics came out within a year or so of this conversation. Jim Brennan was interested in Rick's club (which I'm sure he must have embellished), thinking of old clubs like FOOM. He was probably wondering whether or not to back ORCA. I know at the time, we were the West Utica Comic Club and Rick would hold meetings giving out about a long box or two to the members (maybe 15 kids in attendance). Comic companies would donate rare and variant editions that Rick would also give away, such as the Death Of Superman Platinum edition.

Brian

Typo Lad

02-01-2007, 06:27 AM

In 1994 Marvel had just shut down thier new fanclub "WAM", as I recall.

I'm fairly sure Mr. Brennan was involved

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 06:30 AM

Favorite of mine was the CALENDAR. Joanne made one that never saw print, it was a BEAUTIFULL work of art. Phil Clark (Quantum) spearheaded one that we actually got printed, but because of circumstances...we didn't get enough support for it to really be what it should have been.

Phil's a musician now. Damn good too. if you haven't heard his stuff you should see his myspace page. ;)

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=24565165

not bad for a white guy! ;)

JTPencils

02-01-2007, 06:31 AM

Kurt, I think you do yourself no favors, here...why NOT consider a career as a lap dancer? It's good money and editors almost never call you names!

:)

Gail

Now there I have to disagree Gail, they still call ya names... "honey"... "baby"... "Hotchie Hotchie"... and others that I won't mention at this moment... but usually hollered while clasping a single in their teeth.

Cam63

02-01-2007, 06:31 AM

Cam, uhhhhhh... I appreciate the gesture mate, but I already took precautions for the beer. So I emptied the bottles out and refilled them with.. uh... see I took them and... well... never mind. You aren't feeling petered out are ya?

I thought it was American beer...

*runs to bathroom*

Gail Simone

02-01-2007, 06:35 AM

-part 2-

Gail, Mark Waid, Kurt Busiek, Larry Dixon & Mercedes Lackey, I had respect and admiration for you guys before, now that has increased a hundredfold. Actually, that pretty much applies to everyone who's proactively involved with this situation. You guys are true heroes.

So do I get a prize for longest ever introductory post?
Thanks, Chris

Chris, you get a prize for surviving your time with that COMPLETE CREEP.

Thank you for coming forward, and ifIhear of any lettering gigs, I will DEFINITELY put your name forward.

You know what the really awful thing is?

A ton of people who have emailed me still haven't come forward. We're still only showing half the iceberg.

It's disgusting. What a disgusting human being.

Gail

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 06:35 AM

I don't know if he mentioned any ideas but the 99 cent comics came out within a year or so of this conversation. Jim Brennan was interested in Rick's club (which I'm sure he must have embellished), thinking of old clubs like FOOM. He was probably wondering whether or not to back ORCA. I know at the time, we were the West Utica Comic Club and Rick would hold meetings giving out about a long box or two to the members (maybe 15 kids in attendance). Comic companies would donate rare and variant editions that Rick would also give away, such as the Death Of Superman Platinum edition.

Brian

But as I said, previously, there were MANY retailer summits in the summer of 93, and 94, in which the same things were brought up.

I'm just saying, there's such a thing as coincidence. Much like the Ric Ollie thing, Rick MAY have had an idea that was relevent to a much larger response from a RESPECTED group of people.

Rick was just a fan, who had a club, who made a comment. Thousands like that every year, so there's always going to be a much larger plan in place that happens to coincide with a "suggestion" given to them by a fan.

How many people have "suggested" spider-man return to the black costume, and now he is this month. Do those letter writers get to take credit for having Marvel put him in the black costume? Even though that was the long-term plan when Civil War started?

Gail Simone

02-01-2007, 06:41 AM

AIPman1

02-01-2007, 06:43 AM

Announcement!!

I will be gone for two weeks, the ol laptop's going under the knife for some repairs, they said it can take one to two weeks... so I won't be around to post or anything. Doesn't mean I've lost interest or anything, just won't be able to check in to see progress here or at Unscrewed!. Hopefully I won't fall too far behind... plus I'll want to know what's going on with the auction as well!

I'll be back as soon as possible! Promise!

While your computer is out, go to your local library and log in! Not the best solution, but better than falling THAT far behind!!!

Cam63

02-01-2007, 06:43 AM

Only about half of the people he cheated have come foward ?

'Figures. He's obviously had many years of practice on other victims.

Gail Simone

02-01-2007, 06:46 AM

Gail Simone

02-01-2007, 06:48 AM

I was with Rick at Megacon when he talked to Mark Alessi (I think) and the program was well under way at the time. Rick mentioned that he basically had the same idea and that it was a good program. I don't know if they worked together on this in the future but I'm sure Rick had nothing to do with the Crossgen program.

Brian

Thanks for verifying what everyone was already thinking, Brian. If Rick says the sky is blue, I just automatically assume it's red, at this point.

Gail

Gail Simone

02-01-2007, 06:55 AM

Anyone else find it creepy that Rick is obsessed with Kurt's ass?

"Mr. Busiek didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground on"

"Shake your moneymaker!"

I think the implication is clear. Rick thinks about Kurt's ass so much that it shows up unconsciously in his writing.

And I think it's gone a little bit far, when considering the announced Tightlip books with their new titles. KURT BUSIEK'S FREEDOM ASS FORCE 3 and KURT BUSIEK'S ASS SQUAD.

I'm hearing that last one has a fiery femme with a touch too much, AND candid interviews with Kurt's moneymaker!

Gail

Cam63

02-01-2007, 07:01 AM

OK, Gail... Give me the Paula Abdul cough syrup.

Gail Simone

02-01-2007, 07:01 AM

ASSLIP ENTERTAINMENT!

Gail

AaronJ

02-01-2007, 07:02 AM

OK, Gail... Give me the Paula Abdul cough syrup.

Dammit, it hurts to laugh right now (I had stomach flu) and this is NOT helping!

Cam63

02-01-2007, 07:06 AM

ASSLIP ENTERTAINMENT!

Gail

Great... She's on the roof now.

...Whoops ! Loose tile !

Gail Simone

02-01-2007, 07:06 AM

RICK ASSNEY!

THE MIGHTY ASS-Y MINI BUSIEK!

Organized Readers and Collectors of ASS (Busiek Chapter!)

Gail

Gail Simone

02-01-2007, 07:08 AM

ASSNUS GRIMHOLE!

Stay back...I'll jump, I swear I will!

Gail

AIPman1

02-01-2007, 07:08 AM

Phil's a musician now. Damn good too. if you haven't heard his stuff you should see his myspace page. ;)

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=24565165

not bad for a white guy! ;)

Actually, he was a musician BEFORE starting Quantum. I have his Blue Eyed Soul album. Phil is one fine human being in all respects...

Cam63

02-01-2007, 07:08 AM

Dammit, it hurts to laugh right now (I had stomach flu) and this is NOT helping!

My condolences for your illness, DF.

Were you planning on losing weight, anyway ?

Papergirl

02-01-2007, 07:09 AM

RICK ASSNEY!

THE MIGHTY ASS-Y MINI BUSIEK!

Organized Readers and Collectors of ASS (Busiek Chapter!)

Gail
No fair, Gail! You're supposed to share the good drugs with the rest of us!

~Bev

Cam63

02-01-2007, 07:10 AM

ASSNUS GRIMHOLE!

Stay back...I'll jump, I swear I will!

Gail

Damn, she musta drank a crateful.

Better get the net.

Cam63

02-01-2007, 07:12 AM

No fair, Gail! You're supposed to share the good drugs with the rest of us!

~Bev

Careful, Bev ! She's ready to be an American Idol judge !

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 07:14 AM

Actually, he was a musician BEFORE starting Quantum. I have his Blue Eyed Soul album. Phil is one fine human being in all respects...

I must have come to the party late! I'll have to order his CD from him next time I have money. YOU HEAR ME OLNEY? YOUR LACK OF PAYMENT IS KEEPIN' ME FROM GETTIN' MY SOUL ON! :p

But yes, Phil is a helluva human being.

I always like Quantum

Papergirl

02-01-2007, 07:16 AM

Careful, Bev ! She's ready to be an American Idol judge !
That's because, instead of sharing with the rest of us, she drank it all herself!

~Bev

Cam63

02-01-2007, 07:19 AM

I got a bottle when she passed out for a while.

Hey, the label says it's flammable, may cause temporary blindness and shouldn't be consumed by anyone named Lester.

Papergirl

02-01-2007, 07:20 AM

So... We should test it on Lester first, then. :evilsmile

~Bev

Cam63

02-01-2007, 07:23 AM

Yes, an experiment is in order.

hellokittykat

02-01-2007, 07:23 AM

So... We should test it on Lester first, then. :evilsmile

~Bev

Who?
Oh you mean Lughead!

Cam63

02-01-2007, 07:25 AM

The very same.

AaronJ

02-01-2007, 07:29 AM

My condolences for your illness, DF.

Were you planning on losing weight, anyway ?

Thank you, Cam.

Well, I could always do to lose 10-15 lbs. The problem is, the second I manage to keep beer down again, any weight loss in the interim will be re-gained, and quickly.

Oh well. Thing is, I NEVER get sick. The last time I had anything worse than sniffles or a sneeze was 16 YEARS AGO. So, I'm really not used to it.

At least I can drink freakin' coffee again. It took me all day and most of the night to down 3/4 of a bottle of Gatorade the other day.

Ahh, the joys of illness ... will they never cease? :)

Cam63

02-01-2007, 07:31 AM

Sick puppies always seem happy.

the4thpip

02-01-2007, 07:32 AM

Richard Sullivan

02-01-2007, 07:33 AM

Yes, prices were going up but by 1994, things were still at the $1.95 price range, there were still lower tier books that clocked in at $1.50. The average middle class allowence around that time was about $5 a week. (at least in the circles I traveled in. Some kids got less, some kids got more, but the happy average was $5)

So kids were easily able to afford a few of their favorite titles each week, since they came out on a monthly basis you picked your favorite, came back next week and grabbed the one you left behind.

Yes, but maybe Rick couldn't afford the comics on his allownace and that was the probably the real reason he wanted lower priced comics. Wasn't it mentioned that he owes a few Comic shops some money. The idea of a "FCBD" was probably another way for Rick to get his comic books. That's probably his Christmas.

Papergirl

02-01-2007, 07:36 AM

Yes, but maybe Rick couldn't afford the comics on his allownace and that was the probably the real reason he wanted lower priced comics. Wasn't it mentioned that he owes a few Comic shops some money. The idea of a "FCBD" was probably another way for Rick to get his comic books. That's probably his Christmas.
OWWW!!! OWWWW!!!

COFFEE UP THE NOSE IS A BAD THING!!!

~Bev

Corrina

02-01-2007, 07:36 AM

Okay, having read over everything, I'm trying to sum up my conclusions:

1. Rick never intended to pay anyone for anything over the years, not if he could get away with it. The pattern is too consistent and it's with stuff other than work for TLE or the recent titles.

He did this consciously. He didn't think he'd get behind and make up the money with sales. He never ever intended to pay anyone for anything, ever, not if he could get away with it.

2. The longboxes worth of free comics that ORCA gave away were, I suspect, not paid for by Rick. It sounds very much like that Rick conned the comic companies into providing free copies of their books so he could give them away. This is very much his pattern--he's only generous when it doesn't cost anything.

I can easily see him scamming the marketing/PR departments of DC and Marvel for comics for his club, which does sound like a nice thing for the kids.

I do think ORCA did do some good, and kids did get free comics. But I don't believe it was out of the goodness of Rick's heart. He did it so the kids would feel indebted to him.

In fact, I'll go out on a limb and guess that Rick rarely paid *postage* for items sent in the mail. I bet it either came from a general fund paid for by the membership fee, or one of the other ORCA members.

If any former members of ORCA know different, feel free to correct me.

P.S. on this one. Is anyone else disturbed that an individual like Rick had such close contact with kids? Why did a man like this even want to be around kids?

3. Rick is a classic con man, perhaps even a sociopath in the clinical sense because he has absolutely no empathy whatsover. The majority of sociopaths are not killers or violent, they tend more toward Rick's type, someone who causes emotional havoc.

And like a classic sociopath, Rick knew exactly what victims to pick. Read Gift of Fear, specifically the chapter where De Becker talks about how predators ask a series of questions to determine how malleable their victims will be.

4. The maturity exhibited by the people talking about the SPA mess is heartening. It takes guts to admit mistakes and make up. I've seen feuds in other organizations and those involved sometimes never get over it. You guys have. My hat's off to you.

Hybrid2

02-01-2007, 07:43 AM

Well, Ron'... No one matters more to Rick than Rick.

I'm glad Dennis posted and while it's cool he's sticking by a mate, it's a bit like one of Hitler's childhood friends saying, " Well, he never stuck ME in an oven. "

Ouch...

Fair.But ouch.

Richard Sullivan

02-01-2007, 07:55 AM

EdContradictory

02-01-2007, 08:19 AM

YMB's Comics Outsider discovered a shocking rumor involving a cancelled Ric Olie miniseries from Dark Horse! (http://www.yourmomsbasement.com/archives/2007/01/the_comics_outs_8.html)

TALKIN 'BOUT THOSE CLONE WAAAARS...

Not upcoming from Dark Horse! A previously planned miniseries all about Episode 1 red shirt-equivalent Ric Olie has been cancelled by the licensing giant. "Clone Wars: Got to Get Paid" has been cancelled, with no hopes of getting back onto schedule. Reason being that not enough fans cared enough about the little-known, little-loved minor character to warrant a miniseries, one-shot, or even cameo appearance. "In the grand scheme of things, nobody really cares about this guy," said a Dark Horse Senior Editor. "Even the truly rabid fans could care less about this insignificant, worthless, loser of a character. In fact, when we asked fans about their interest in the character of Ric Olie, they said he looked like the kind of douche would hide behind non-disclosure agreements in order to get out of paying his employees what he owed them."

Ironically enough, the miniseries was meant to revolve around Ric owing money to some familiar characters in the Star Wars Universe: Bail Organa, Jabba the Hutt, and Yoda. Ric, unable to pay anyone, decides to sue them all instead. His lawyer? Chewbacca.

But now this character looks to be a forgotten failure, a minor footnote, an insignificant speck in the lore of Star Wars. But that's all right. Quote a Lucasfilm executive, "Nobody cared too much about him in the first place, either."

Papergirl

02-01-2007, 08:26 AM

YMB's Comics Outsider discovered a shocking rumor involving a cancelled Ric Olie miniseries from Dark Horse! (http://www.yourmomsbasement.com/archives/2007/01/the_comics_outs_8.html)
But now this character looks to be a forgotten failure, a minor footnote, an insignificant speck in the lore of Star Wars. But that's all right. Quote a Lucasfilm executive, "Nobody cared too much about him in the first place, either."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Funny stuff! :D

~Bev

NatGertler

02-01-2007, 08:38 AM

And I think it's gone a little bit far, when considering the announced Tightlip books with their new titles. KURT BUSIEK'S FREEDOM ASS FORCE 3 and KURT BUSIEK'S ASS SQUAD.To be fair, didn't Kurt start it with KURT BUSIEK'S ASS TROCITY?

And as for doing "cheaper comics", it was hardly a new idea when Marvel did it (or Gladstone the same year). It wasn't new when Eclipse did it a decade earlier with their 50 cent biweeklies. It wasn't even new when Fawcett did Nickel Comics back in 1940, because Dell had had a Nickel Comics volume two years earlier, years after Famous Funnies had set the going price as a dime.

TomStillwell

02-01-2007, 08:44 AM

I respectfully request that Jonah or someone with some grasp on legal realities read and address the closing and locking of the above message thread. I'm not going to threaten legal action. It appears that by allowing your forum's contrl people to conduct in this manner of personal attack CBR, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., and Boiling Point Internet engage and condone their activities in this manner. The pieces are going to fall into place. Sorry. I will, however, be kind enough to thank you in advance for any action taken on your part. Thank you.

Sincerely,
Rick
Rick Olney
TightLip Entertainment

Translation: Please, no more truth!!! I can't handle the truth!! It burns!!! HOW CAN I HIDE BEHIND MY LIES IF THERE IS TRUTH BEING TOLD?!!!!

Sarah Beach

02-01-2007, 09:06 AM

OzBat - regarding RO's request that this thread be locked, and the veiled threat about the contents rendering Jonah & the boards legally liable for stuff.... that came after his levelling that same threat against Chuck, me & Dixonverse in general for what had been posted there (which compared to this thread, was mild). I told him at least three times that not only did the posted Rules for that board state explicitly that posters by posting absolve the board owners & admins & mods of liability, especially by agreeing to that by continuing to post, but that's a standard agreement for almost all message boards.

Three times.

It's not that he's ignorant of this standard practice. It's that he doesn't think it should apply to him. At least, not when he's the subject of the thread. No matter how many times it happens.

I'll mention it now, since it's been at least a month....

After we banned Rick from Dixonverse, and after we'd copied all the remaining thread & posts involving him, before deleting (as I've said, the Dixonverse board uses a smallish cache, unlike CBR), after all that and the threads were gone, a new poster showed up on Dixonverse. The poster asked some innocuous question about an older title of Chuck's. Seemed reasonable. And then, in that same initial post, asked what struck me as an odd question: he asked if there was an archive of threads that were no longer on the board.

Now, that struck me as odd -- coming from a first time poster on the board (and someone apparently not a lurker either), why would such a person care about archived threads? It made me suspicious, especially coming so close after the Olney invasion. But I treated it straight up, and just said, "Once they're gone from the board, they're gone." This person did post one more general inquiry thing, but never again showed up. Another thing that sort of made me suspicious was the poster's statement that he'd been a way from comics for a long time, and also that he had a sort of amused condescension toward adult comic book readers. It was a vague thing in the language use, but it was there. That, and the screen name he chose -- "Punisher of Smurfs". Smurfs??? Someone equating Saturday morning cartoons with comic books? Ooooookay. (For those, not aware, Chuck wrote a run of Punisher - so the poster obviously knew something of Chuck's career.)

I suspected that it was someone connected with Olney in the legal sense, and they wanted to make sure Olney's libelous remarks were gone. (Because of my suspicions, I didn't mention that we tend to copy threads that we think are problematic, for our own records.)

Anyway.... just thought I'd relate this little story. I admit up front, I do not know as a fact that "Punisher of Smurfs" was indeed connected to Olney in any way. I tracked the IP of that poster, and it was located in NYC. I could be wrong in my suspicions (and would be happy to be proven so). But RO made me very suspicous of new posters who worry about the "record".

Sorry for the distraction, gang. I guess I needed to relate that story, since it'd been bugging me, and I've only talked about it with a couple of people.

MacQuarrie

02-01-2007, 09:19 AM

EDIT: Never mind

J. Morgan (Bat) Neal

02-01-2007, 09:35 AM

While I RESPECT the idea of people fighting for less expensive books, its this "it's just a hobby, it shouldn't cost this much" mentality that causes a great deal of grief.

But let me ask you this, in all honesty. Was it just a "hey, kids can't afford comics these days they should be cheaper" or did anyone with an inkling of how publishing works offer a production plan to be able to offer a cheaper product while at the same time being able to feed the freelancer's family.

comics are not expensive because companies are mean, they're expensive because of the amount of overhead one incurs publishing things in a shrinking market!!!

Now, I could offer up plenty of ideas on how to make things cheaper, but I wouldn't just say "hey things are expensive" and then when the price lowers go "OMG I'M A GENIUS!!! THEY LISTENED TO ME!"

Marvel took a decent loss on the "Over the Edge and Under a Buck" line but it was an acceptible one due to the fact they were in the red and needed to infuse people to purchase their products by offering an entry level position.

Just how much was Tightlip going to charge for the comics they were producing? Could the kiddies afford it? Could they even find it?

bmrobson

02-01-2007, 09:39 AM

Okay, having read over everything, I'm trying to sum up my conclusions:

2. The longboxes worth of free comics that ORCA gave away were, I suspect, not paid for by Rick. It sounds very much like that Rick conned the comic companies into providing free copies of their books so he could give them away. This is very much his pattern--he's only generous when it doesn't cost anything.

I can easily see him scamming the marketing/PR departments of DC and Marvel for comics for his club, which does sound like a nice thing for the kids.

I do think ORCA did do some good, and kids did get free comics. But I don't believe it was out of the goodness of Rick's heart. He did it so the kids would feel indebted to him.

In fact, I'll go out on a limb and guess that Rick rarely paid *postage* for items sent in the mail. I bet it either came from a general fund paid for by the membership fee, or one of the other ORCA members.

If any former members of ORCA know different, feel free to correct me.

P.S. on this one. Is anyone else disturbed that an individual like Rick had such close contact with kids? Why did a man like this even want to be around kids?

I'm not sure where the longboxes came from. I doubt they were donated. Most of the stuff was junk that nobody cared about and the majority of it was fairly recent stuff of non-value except for the few items a month donated by the major comic companies.

To be fair, they were more teenagers than kids, and we had fun making trips to comic shops and such that they ordinarily wouldn't be able to get to. We used to make maybe monthly trips to a shop in Syracuse about 50 miles away. At the time, I just got back into buying the McFarlane Spider-Man series after being away from comics for 8 years or so and the club got me buying comics again for awhile.

Brian

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 10:08 AM

AaronJ

02-01-2007, 10:13 AM

Shades of Ric Olie. Or, to use big fancy words, it's a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

kdb

But ... but ... my entire sense of self-worth is based solely on a string of those fallacies!

SteveForbes

02-01-2007, 10:15 AM

I'm back.

(see what happens when you go away to do some work, and then have the temerity to sleep?! Six pages, is what!)

Anyway, I finished the script (yay me!), got some other research started, as well as starting to plot another series. Yes, I try to stay busy.

Anyway, I left a page up, and my wife read it this morning while getting ready for work. It was part 1 of Chris' introductory post. Reading the account of Mr. Olney's actions first hand caused her to throw up a little in her mouth, and she had to go rinse with Listerine (the real stuff, because she had to burn it out) and brush again. She would have showered again, but she was already dressed and getting ready to go to work.

She also said that, once everything is said and done, this story should be published for a bathroom reader.

She Marvels (one for you, Kurt!) at the fact that he's been able to do this for years, and have no real "ins" in the industry. She's also of the general consensus that anyone with an atomic weight's worth of sense would ever work with him. Ever.

Just thought I'd share that with you all.

-llama

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 10:18 AM

I was with Rick at Megacon when he talked to Mark Alessi (I think) and the program was well under way at the time.

Just to clarify: The remarks you quoted above my initial were actually written by Rick, not me. Danny quoted them in a confusing manner, for which he'll be hearing from my fictional lawyer, Joey "Three Torts" McTavish.

Rick mentioned that he basically had the same idea and that it was a good program. I don't know if they worked together on this in the future but I'm sure Rick had nothing to do with the Crossgen program.

His story keeps changing, don't it -- he does claim to have initiated what became the Bridges program, but apparently, initiating something is not the same as starting it...

kdb

TCJohnson

02-01-2007, 10:23 AM

Just to clarify: The remarks you quoted above my initial were actually written by Rick, not me. Danny quoted them in a confusing manner,

To be fair, Danny quoted them exactly how Rick wrote them. Rick wrote them in a confusing manner.

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Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 10:27 AM

Kurt, I think you do yourself no favors, here...why NOT consider a career as a lap dancer?

No lap.

Besides, the hours interfere with baseball...

kdb

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 10:32 AM

I don't know if he mentioned any ideas but the 99 cent comics came out within a year or so of this conversation. Jim Brennan was interested in Rick's club (which I'm sure he must have embellished), thinking of old clubs like FOOM.

If the line came out within a year of your visit, then it was already in the works. Not editorially yet, but at some level, it was already going through channels.

And as noted by someone else, in 1994, Marvel was not interested in getting into another club situation, though I'm not surprised that a Marvel marketing guy seemed interested in something a touring fan was saying. As someone who's given that kind o tour himself, seeming interested is part of the job.

kdb

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 10:35 AM

And I think it's gone a little bit far, when considering the announced Tightlip books with their new titles. KURT BUSIEK'S FREEDOM ASS FORCE 3 and KURT BUSIEK'S ASS SQUAD.

"Kurt Busiek's Ass Squad"?!

That's the name of my little black book, from back in my college days! Ahh, Janice, Paige, Heather, Lisa...

"Three Torts!" Another job for you, boyo!

kdb

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 10:44 AM

To be fair, Danny quoted them exactly how Rick wrote them. Rick wrote them in a confusing manner.

"Three Torts!" Where are you, you drunken fool? You're needed!

Aw, you're not trying to file the Ass Squad's briefs again, are you?

kdb

TCJohnson

02-01-2007, 10:47 AM

"Three Torts!" Where are you, you drunken fool? You're needed!

Aw, you're not trying to file the Ass Squad's briefs again, are you?

kdb

...
...
Somebody get the clone, this Busiek is malfunctioning. Can't figure out why this model won't work right.

JTPencils

02-01-2007, 10:51 AM

...
...
Somebody get the clone, this Busiek is malfunctioning. Can't figure out why this model won't work right.

Actually, the clone seem's to be working just fine. It's "Three Torts" that I"m concerned about.

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 10:55 AM

Just to clarify: The remarks you quoted above my initial were actually written by Rick, not me. Danny quoted them in a confusing manner, for which he'll be hearing from my fictional lawyer, Joey "Three Torts" McTavish.

DAMN YOU BUSIEK! And here I was going to let you go for stealing my underwater fantasy idea, that I clearly had way before you, as you know I invented the idea of fantasy stories. Everyone always steals from me! But noooo you gotta bring in McTavish! Well I've got my firm of Dewie, Cheatum, and Howe on the case!

I will wrestle Aquaman from that new guy!!! And it'll be your fault! Prepare for a visit from my Para-legal Nick Cannon, where you'll be served with a dose of street wise b-boy moves, and face prosecution by the man himself Jack McCoy, who I met personally during my time in the great war... we lost a lot of good men out there...

What war? I don't have to tell you! You're just jealous that I went to war and invented comics.. lawsuits! lawsuits! lawsuits!

To be fair, Danny quoted them exactly how Rick wrote them. Rick wrote them in a confusing manner.

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thank you TCJ, you've saved yourself from a thrashing from my invisible legal hordes, with a touch too much.

See? I'm not a retarded monkey....

Just a tired monkey with ADD.

DocAbsurd

02-01-2007, 11:04 AM

Guess what?

Yup, the blog is gone.

For his next trick . . .

Doc 'Penn&Teller Ain't Got Nothing on Him' Absurd

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 11:07 AM

SteveForbes

02-01-2007, 11:08 AM

I don't think any of us was expecting anything different, Doc.

It would be amazing if it DID stay up. There's the real trick.

-llama

Typo Lad

02-01-2007, 11:11 AM

It would be amazing if it DID stay up. There's the real trick.

Eh. Not so much. They have pills for that now.

SteveForbes

02-01-2007, 11:12 AM

I was just on the phone with Fabian Nicieza, talking over some Superman stuff we're working on and how to keep those fifty-something young creators down, so I asked him about Jim Brennan.

He says Jim Brennan was a very nice guy and a terrific ad-copy writer, who was management level but by no means in charge of marketing. Mark Erickson, another good guy, was the top guy in the department.

kdb

I am one of those fifty-something young creators!

You duckin' me, Busiek-Balboa! Write on the page like a real man! Is that your keyboard? Is it? Come on over here. I'll tickle your keys like a real man, creating worlds of wonder no one has ever seen before...

(Wait. I'm hoping he's talking numbers and not age...)

-(wants his shot at the title) llama

Showman

02-01-2007, 11:14 AM

I've tried to register over at the Unscrewed site. How long does it take to get a membership approval? I want to submit a short story.

SteveForbes

02-01-2007, 11:14 AM

Eh. Not so much. They have pills for that now.

LOL

Good thing I wasn't drinking tea... (but i'm gonna go make a cup right now.)

-(caf-fiend) llama

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 11:21 AM

I've tried to register over at the Unscrewed site. How long does it take to get a membership approval? I want to submit a short story.

Showman, they're a little backlogged! Usually it's a day or so, we've gotten so many sign ups in the past few days sometimes SK goes nuts and has to go to his "quiet place" then he goes back to sending out confirmations. lol.

Looking forward to seeing your stuff!

But in the meantime, send Sarah Beach a PM she's one of the editors. You can either talk to Sarah, Scott Shaw! or Upstart_crow (Joselle)

In other news, Busiek's duckin' Olney's challege! Rick took down his blog so he wouldn't embarass Kurt's scared ass further! :p

Why does he take those things down when he KNOWS they're already catalogued?

SteveForbes

02-01-2007, 11:23 AM

Better to ask what was the first word?

Sarah Beach

02-01-2007, 11:24 AM

I've tried to register over at the Unscrewed site. How long does it take to get a membership approval? I want to submit a short story.

Sorry, we do the approvals by hand, as it were. I just took care of the current registrations. You should be getting an automatic response with entrance password promptly now.

Draconomicon

02-01-2007, 11:26 AM

I was just on the phone with Fabian Nicieza, talking over some Superman stuff we're working on and how to keep those fifty-something young creators down, so I asked him about Jim Brennan.

He says Jim Brennan was a very nice guy and a terrific ad-copy writer, who was management level but by no means in charge of marketing. Mark Erickson, another good guy, was the top guy in the department.

kdb

I can see it.
*Rick in front of the PC, GASPS, then hisses! And then writes down Fabians name, shaking his fist at the screen* "AND YOU'LL BE SUED NEXT!"

Sarah Beach

02-01-2007, 11:32 AM

In other news, Busiek's duckin' Olney's challege! Rick took down his blog so he wouldn't embarass Kurt's scared ass further! :p

Why does he take those things down when he KNOWS they're already catalogued?

God only knows.

I think he has the delusion that he really has control of that information. That once the original is deleted, it therefore no longer exists. And he can thus reinterpret what he said.

Plus, you know, Kurt completely undercut the "shake your moneymaker/ass" insult by interpreting it as "nodding his head". Because peanut doesn't know how to construct an insult that can't be adroitly turned by a much better writer. So, rather than continue to look as his feeble attempt and be reminded every time of the wit of Busiek, he wipes it away.... to start over. I think he's desperately searching for really cutting remarks.

Showman

02-01-2007, 11:42 AM

Sorry, we do the approvals by hand, as it were. I just took care of the current registrations. You should be getting an automatic response with entrance password promptly now.

Got it! Thanks. I have a six page new Drunken Monkey short I'm working on just for the book.

Comcman

02-01-2007, 11:46 AM

I'm back.

(see what happens when you go away to do some work, and then have the temerity to sleep?! Six pages, is what!)

-llama

That's nothing. Try logging of at 10pm, watching a TV show, going to bed and then finding out in the morning that Rick had been back. 20 pages the next morning, I believe.

Also, I will write for food. Just so you know.

Careful. We know someone who pays in happy meals.

Richard Sullivan

02-01-2007, 11:47 AM

Just how much was Tightlip going to charge for the comics they were producing? Could the kiddies afford it? Could they even find it?

$2.95 for 32 color pages.

TomStillwell

02-01-2007, 11:49 AM

Showman, they're a little backlogged! Usually it's a day or so, we've gotten so many sign ups in the past few days sometimes SK goes nuts and has to go to his "quiet place" then he goes back to sending out confirmations. lol.

FYI, sk AKA Shel, is a very lovely femme...with a touch too much...

TomStillwell

02-01-2007, 11:50 AM

$2.95 for 32 color pages.

Easily affordable for children...once they'd hit the five cent bin for not selling.

Sarah Beach

02-01-2007, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Steve Forbes
Also, I will write for food. Just so you know.
Careful. We know someone who pays in happy meals.

Now wait a minute: all we really know is that his lawyer eats happy meals! Do we know that the whale actually paid for them?

:evilsmile

Comcman

02-01-2007, 11:54 AM

Now wait a minute: all we really know is that his lawyer eats happy meals! Do we know that the whale actually paid for them?

:evilsmile

I stand corrected. I recount (or is it recant) my prior comment.

Kozemp

02-01-2007, 11:54 AM

I don't think any of us was expecting anything different, Doc.

It would be amazing if it DID stay up. There's the real trick.

-llama

Here I thought he was making a crack about West Ham...

JLK
in danger of being relegated

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 11:55 AM

FYI, sk AKA Shel, is a very lovely femme...with a touch too much...

:eek: Much apologies Shel!

It's hard to tell who's who with screen names.

Blake Petit

02-01-2007, 12:12 PM

I'm back.

(see what happens when you go away to do some work, and then have the temerity to sleep?! Six pages, is what!)

You should see how many pages it can jump when You-Know-Who really gets fired up...

KevinTBrown

02-01-2007, 12:23 PM

ASSLIP ENTERTAINMENT!

Gail

Given the amount of money Olney has dispersed so far (not), I would think TIGHTASS ENTERTAINMENT is more appropriate.

;)

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 12:47 PM

FROM RICK's NEW BLOG!*

Thursday, February 01, 2007

http://x.myspace.com/images/spacer.gifKurt Busiek: Man on a Mission -- Part 2
Category: Life (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.viewCategory&FriendID=59528410&BlogCategoryID=12)

I Have NOTHING to Hide, nor am I Afraid of Bullies!

So Kurt Busiek said:
Oo. Rick invites me to post where he can -- and judging by his past behavior, soon will -- delete things.

However, even when he agrees with me on something, he lies. He says:

"You're correct! Rick Olney makes no claim to what MoCCA built."

But it turns out I was mistaken.

On 11/19/03, he did claim to some credit for what MoCCA built, when he said:

"Like everyone else, ORCA will follow the standard press release format in informing the comics community about anything we've accomplished regarding my 'Comics in the Classroom' concept currently being utilized by a few other known entities, such as the CrossGen folks derived BRIDGES program, and MoCCA's C.O. M.I.C.S effort, in our hobby and industry to help schools find comic books and school students read and enjoy their imagination much more."

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...ct=cln k&cd=8

Oops. Even when I credit him for not stealing credit, there he is, ballyhooing "his" accomplishments for their utilizing "his" concept. And, of course, subsequently denying that he ever did so.

Plus, I note, he acts as if Free Comic Book Day wasn't even mentioned, perhaps because he knows he can't even try to bury that one...

kdb

I have always looked at my personal "ballyhooing" as a form of mild motivation, which over time, helped to drive attention to the subject matter, Mr. Busiek! By leaps and bounds, fandom, retailers, and professionals alike were inspired by my ideas and energy. Where do you think Harold Buchholz & Jimmy Gownley (http://www.schoollibraryjournal.com/article/CA6367052.html) got their idea from?

Harold was in our audience waaaaay back at that Pittsburgh Comicon where a bunch of ORCA inspired members (with me in the audience) presented Comics in the Classroom to the various people that attended that session panel. I'd say that ORCA's efforts early on inspoired them. What you care to think is your business, but your hitting outside the bullseye.

FCBD and the ORCA connection:

As I directly saw that ORCA mailed letters and newsletters to various people working within the Diamond framework and Mr. Geppi via his office -- making them aware of our give-away efforts -- I have always safely assumed that Joe Field was either chosen by Diamond or helped Diamond make their FCBD into a vehicle that allowed retailers to give away brand stamped Diamond product. To this day, nobody has given away as many free comic books to first time readers and potential hobbyists as ORCA has. And if you liked that, wait until this next concept coming!

I have read the couple of bad stories that your lynch mob has managed to attract. I'd say that for the 12 years that ORCA was strong ... your efforts have had poor results. If you'd like, I'll begin a mail campaign and point out to all my many contacts in the various states and school districts, along with those libraries that ORCA has worked with, along with the 1800+ formerly active ORCA members from 2003 back and see if I can get you some better results.

Beyond that, you're barking up another wrong tree... again.
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The Bullies Have All Gone To Rest
By Wood & Hartford
Release date: By 01 February, 1998

*there Sarah, now I can not be blamed for saying any of this nonsense.

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 12:50 PM

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 12:51 PM

Given the amount of money Olney has dispersed so far (not), I would think TIGHTASS ENTERTAINMENT is more appropriate.

;)

Bah. We here at Moneymaker Shakers Intl. mock your understanding of the vernacular!

A tightass is a pude, someone who doesn't know how to have fun.

A tightwad is a miser, someone who doesn't like to pay for things.

This lesson has been brought to you by the numbers 3 and 7, and Committee for Understanding the Difference Between Biting the Dust (dying) and Biting the Big One (sucking).

Thank you!

kdb

Typo Lad

02-01-2007, 12:53 PM

I thought ORCA's membership was in the three thousands?

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 12:56 PM

just an odd observation... why does he switch from third to first person narrative?

And for that matter, why does he merely repeat that he assumes that his letters to Diamond inspired retailer Joe Field (who doesn't work for Diamond), as if it backs up his claims? He's simply repeating that he has no indication beyond his demented fantasy of importance.

As noted before, Joe Field has no resaon to lie. Rick Olney needs no reason to.

Plus, he had a new claim: He inspired Jimmy Gownley and Harold Buchholz because one of them was at a panel once. Not possible they thought of the idea of comics being appealing to kids themselves, or got it from any other source -- it had to have come from Rick's brilliant conception. Never mind that none of the ideas involved are new, and the idea of comics encouraging kids to read has been shown in studies going back decades.

No, as long as Rick stood next to someone or mailed something somewhere, anything that person or organization ever do is one of his accomplishments. Even when it came from someone not part of that organization who explains repatedly that he got it from an ice-cream store...

kdb

Typo Lad

02-01-2007, 12:58 PM

He says he assumes Diamond "chose" Joe.

Which smacks of consperacy babble.

GCom

02-01-2007, 01:10 PM

And for that matter, why does he merely repeat that he assumes that his letters to Diamond inspired retailer Joe Field (who doesn't work for Diamond), as if it backs up his claims? He's simply repeating that he has no indication beyond his demented fantasy of importance.

As noted before, Joe Field has no resaon to lie. Rick Olney needs no reason to.

I'm fairly close to bringing this to Joe's attention.

With Tolerance For Having Dealt With The Man, And He's A Nice Guy...

GCom

EdContradictory

02-01-2007, 01:15 PM

just an odd observation... why does he switch from third to first person narrative?
Because he saw people here commenting on it.

Everything he's done in the last two months has been nothing but a reaction to this thread.

Which is so very, very sad.

In so many, many ways.

TCJohnson

02-01-2007, 01:17 PM

Plus, he had a new claim: He inspired Jimmy Gownley and Harold Buchholz because one of them was at a panel once. Not possible they thought of the idea of comics being appealing to kids themselves, or got it from any other source -- it had to have come from Rick's brilliant conception. Never mind that none of the ideas involved are new, and the idea of comics encouraging kids to read has been shown in studies going back decades.

I could have sworn my grade school library had educational comics in it...but I try not to swear.

NatGertler

02-01-2007, 01:27 PM

I Have NOTHING to HideWell, I might believe that in terms of financial assets. However, in terms of other things -- this is the guy who has been deleting his posts, who has been refusing to name his lawyer, and who most signficantly has been claiming that people have violated their non-disclosure agreements... in other words, releasing what he felt should be hidden.
Harold was in our audience waaaaay back at that Pittsburgh ComiconAnd, of course, anyone who was in an audience couldn't have had any ideas of their own,for all ideas spring only from Olney?

As I directly saw that ORCA mailed letters and newsletters to various people working within the Diamond framework and Mr. Geppi via his office -- making them aware of our give-away efforts -- I have always safely assumed that Joe Field was either chosen by Diamond or helped Diamond make their FCBD into a vehicle that allowed retailers to give away brand stamped Diamond product.In other words, you didn't actually know that you had inspired anything in any way, but you decided to claim credit anyway? That phrase "safely assumed" does not mean what you appear to mean it to mean; there's nothing "safe" about that assumption, it is both false and detectable as false, as this thread points out. Joe Field's origination and promotion of the idea was hardly a secret, it was a concept he put forth in his columns and was then embraced by the retail, distribution, and publishing portions of the industry.To this day, nobody has given away as many free comic books to first time readers and potential hobbyists as ORCA has.How do you know that? Or is this one of those "facts" you just claim and hope no one contradicts you?

Rick Olney -- he takes credit where it's not due, doesn't give cash where it is.

SUPERECWFAN1

02-01-2007, 01:29 PM

just an odd observation... why does he switch from third to first person narrative?

I originally thought he was trying to make it look like a defender was writing these blogs for him to back up his claims from a third party, but now switching the tenses he shows he was merely channeling Dwayne Johnson.

I'll rule the day when Olney calls himself " The People's Champ " or the " Great One " . Because thus far I can't even read his blogs. The switching to 3rd person narrative and back is turning me off. Its offending my reading senses.

Darediva

02-01-2007, 01:33 PM

I could have sworn my grade school library had educational comics in it...but I try not to swear.

When I was a kid, there were comics run in the newspapers that were nothing more than Texas history lessons. We collected them for our Texas history scrapbooks. There was a reprint of them in a hardcover a few years ago, and they were called "Texas History Movies for some reason, maybe not "comics" because they were factual, not funny. My older brothers collected them well before I did, so that would put them running in the paper around the mid-to-late 1950's.

Well before any "comics in the classroom". The idea is hardly revolutionary.

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 01:34 PM

He says he assumes Diamond "chose" Joe.

Which smacks of consperacy babble.

More to the point, it means it's his guess, and not a foundation for a claim that he inspired squat.

Plus, as we all realize, it's not true by any stretch, and wouldn't make sense if it was. "Hey, Joe? Diamond here. We're choosing you to create Free Comic Book Day. Go next door and get an idea from the ice cream place, wouldja? This guy mailed us an idea and we'd like you to make up something like it based on your own expereiences."

Not how it happened, not logical, not sane.

kdb

EdContradictory

02-01-2007, 01:43 PM

Orcafresh blog: (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=59528410&blogID=224785880&MyToken=68b00e63-c13c-4c70-8c8b-3c570e1bb9b3)

Thursday, February 01, 2007

Originally Posted by Papergirl
Category: Life

Originally Posted by "Papergirl"

My Dad talks about *some* of the battles and friends he lost. However, MOST of his stories revolve around screwing around and having fun. One of his favorite stories is about playing around on a ship. I'll double-check to make sure I have the details right before posting it, but it IS amusing. And, somewhere in a box, he has 8mm films proving his stories.

I have shared plenty of my times in the Marine Corps with my friends like Dennis Kininger and Brian Robson. Both men have been to my home within the last year and I have a wall with my Honorable Discharge displayed, along with a few of my favorite pictures. I don't talk about being in the shit much back then. And, in talking about this I'll also comment on Jim Richey's remarks on my NSA connection. While stationed in Norfolk, VA., I did act as a courier and had a security clearance that took me all up and around Washington, DC. at that time. But, to the exact detail as to why and where Headquarters MC sent me, I cannot comment further.

Dick's full of shit. We all know that. If he knew jack shit about the military, and/or was actually in it, he wouldn't hesitate to give us the info we've requested.

I posted pictures, Bev. Do some research.

Speaking of: Hey, Dick! I know you're reading this! So...

What's the name of the book that ALL Marines recieve, and what color is the cover? Come on, peanut, this isn't a hard question to answer, and certainly won't give us any details about you. ~Bev

Red. Dragon. Although my particular time in boot training didn't leave a lot of time for anything but helping my fellow recruits make it into being Marines. We lost 4 recruits in my company to suicide. Two of them were from my platoon.

I have always had great success getting recognition and helping my various life teams achieve. But, just as I was a squad leader all through my boot training until the day before Graduation -- Staying up and helping other recruits in your squad study and pass the tests is no replacement for sleep -- So I lost my squad leader spot and Pfc. from a shaved hour off firewatch. No problem though. I had it half way through my recon training.

SK716 asks, "Eh, I'll give him an easier question: What's a DD-214?"

Go ask your local military recruiter! Just tell him you want to do whatever you have to to earn one! You, putz! http://blog.myspace.com/images/blog/smileys/winky.gif

Currently listening :
Run to Cadence with the Recon Marines
By U.S. Marine Corps
Release date: By 01 January, 1998

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Richard Sullivan

02-01-2007, 01:46 PM

Easily affordable for children...once they'd hit the five cent bin for not selling.

Hitting the five cent bin not the fault of the artists involved.

EdContradictory

02-01-2007, 01:46 PM

Someone's busy today: (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=59528410&blogID=224791286&MyToken=35bfc752-a8f8-4ba5-bd9e-8ec21ee4136e)

Thursday, February 01, 2007

Stay Tuned!

"You're pathetic, Moby" Coming soon, along with emails & emails on Small Press Hilarity!

Again, all because people that bully still think that the average reader isn't smart enough when people are trying to lead them by the nose!

I'll get to the Tim Tobolski matter, the various slights by Lance Boucher, and Small Press' human version of Aloysius Snuffleupagus in the guise of Ian Shires, in short order. I just had to dig real deep to get the exact emails I'll need to point out how 'perfect' these few are for each other. No, not in a gay way! In a creative way! And I'll talk a little about Joanne, to clear up the false truth she's attempted to hide.

I can't believe you don't think I listen to or own some of this music I've been listing. Geez...

Currently listening :
Soldiers Under Command
By Stryper
Release date: By 16 July, 1991

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Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 01:47 PM

And, of course, anyone who was in an audience couldn't have had any ideas of their own, for all ideas spring only from Olney?

Of course not!

Me, I've attended panels on comics outreach -- I've even been on panels aboout comics in libraries and schools -- and yet, I had ideas on the subjects before I got there, even including ideas that got discussed on the panel by other people.

In OlneyWorld, this is apparently impossible, so he thinks it's okay for him to assume that he should get the credit.

Bugs Bunny had a term for guys like him, and it wasn't "Doc."

kdb

Typo Lad

02-01-2007, 01:48 PM

Someone's busy today: (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=59528410&blogID=224791286&MyToken=35bfc752-a8f8-4ba5-bd9e-8ec21ee4136e)
I... I cannot understand a word of that.

EdContradictory

02-01-2007, 01:49 PM

And also there's this one to Wishlish: (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=59528410&blogID=224773614&MyToken=bb2f43a4-412b-4f2d-8982-893f591ac176)

Thursday, February 01, 2007

Wishlish: Check your shoes, dude!

NOTHING but FACTS, man! Stop the Hatred and Lies!

"Wishlish" appears to have opinions spinkled with lies. Allow me to correct him a tad.

Wishlish said:

I love how, while avoiding freelancers that he owes 60-100K for the TightLip Entertainment fiasco, Rick's got time to set us all straight on his role in Marvel's failed 99-cent program. Forget the notion that I'm supposed to believe Rick Olney over Kurt Busiek. Let's assume that Rick's actually right on this.

And I love how someone, such as yourself, has time to greatly embellish your posts giving untrue and misleading information. First, I do not owe freelancers anywhere NEAR 60-100K for work done under contract to TightLip Entertainment. Assume as you like on my interactions with and at Marvel over the yaers -- but don't stretch facts that you are not privy to, because that is wrong and (again) supports the whole defamation of character, and character assassination that you haters have going on there under "Gail Simone's" guidance, there at CBR.

Wishlish said:

It doesn't change how much he owes, or the multitude of lies he's told. He's still a colossal, misogynistic, smelly deadbeat with a weird avatar. He's still getting sued. He's down to one friend. His business ventures are in shambles (hey, Olney, try getting Marvel to take your call NOW). He's a rambling wreck. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate guy.

Again, you imply that I am a smelly deadbeat. Both descriptives have defining criteria that you may want to read up on, in case you find yourself trying to prove in a legal court of law that your slights and libel is true. "Smelly" isn't hard for me to disprove. That you and some of your ignorant bullies use that childish ploy is sad, but in a court of law -- you could be trying to prove it to defend yourself.

"Wishlish" -- My getting sued has nothing to do with you. And, if I were you -- I'd want to be 110% sure that any lawsuits being talked about -- actually take place. That is, before you let your mouth write a check that your ass can't cover. Otherwise it can be interpreted as you contributing to more of that mumbo jumbo to tarnish my reputation. No, no... my real reputation that reaches farther than just this slow starting publishing venture.

Wishlish said:

Meanwhile, what's that on my bookshelf...why, it's the trade paperback put out last year of the first 8 Untold tales of Spider-Man by Kurt Busiek! And what's that over there? Is that the oversized hardcover of Marvels? And the first four Avengers Assemble hardcovers? Huh. And four of the Astro City hardcovers! (I'm still looking for Confession in hardcover, but at least I have my favorite, Tarnished Angel, along with a Steeljack background on my PC).

So congratulations, Rick. You might have gotten one right, but you're still a colossal, misogynistic, smelly, deadbeat, mega-gigantic fibber. And Kurt Busiek kicks your ass from here to Metropolis.

Kurt Busiek should kick my ass in writing (comics wise, anyway), "Wishlish" ... I mean, he's been at it a long, long time now...

Note to the CBR Bully Pack: I'll be responding this way because it suits me. Don't like it, don't read it.

Currently listening :
School Bullies
By The Damned
Release date: By 15 December, 1994

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Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 01:55 PM

More to the point, it means it's his guess, and not a foundation for a claim that he inspired squat.

Plus, as we all realize, it's not true by any stretch, and wouldn't make sense if it was. "Hey, Joe? Diamond here. We're choosing you to create Free Comic Book Day. Go next door and get an idea from the ice cream place, wouldja? This guy mailed us an idea and we'd like you to make up something like it based on your own expereiences."

Not how it happened, not logical, not sane.

kdb

Oh sure if you're going to base all of your beliefs on fact instead of gut. What does fact get you? It's limted to the basis of reality, but when you make things up you can alter reality to whatever suits you!

DarrenCawsey

02-01-2007, 01:58 PM

I could have sworn my grade school library had educational comics in it...but I try not to swear.

I know for a certainty that my Primary School library (grade school? ages 5-10?) had a collection of annuals (Hulk, Spiderman etc) which were there not just as fun reading material for kids on their break, but were used to help those kids who had issues with reading. And this was back around ’85 / ’86.

I have always looked at my personal "ballyhooing" as a form of mild motivation, which over time, helped to drive attention to the subject matter, Mr. Busiek! By leaps and bounds, fandom, retailers, and professionals alike were inspired by my ideas and energy. Where do you think Harold Buchholz & Jimmy Gownley got their idea from?

Helping Kids get into reading by using comic books, or helping kids who have difficulties learning to read understand writing better by using comic books, is from all I can find out – a fairly common idea, and one that has been around for some time now.

It’s the same for cheaper books – a very common idea that has been bandied about regularly (regardless of the realities of Business as Danny and others have pointed out).

Having Ric Olie try to take credit for FCBD or Comics in Classrooms even in a round-about way is laughable. He simply needs to be at the centre of everything.

In fact if Rick is reading this, let me ask you a question…

“Does the world cease to exist when you shut your eyes?”

what i mean to say is...

"Is anyone else apart from you really exist?"

I'd really like to hear what you actually think.

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Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 01:59 PM

When I was a kid, there were comics run in the newspapers that were nothing more than Texas history lessons. We collected them for our Texas history scrapbooks. There was a reprint of them in a hardcover a few years ago, and they were called "Texas History Movies for some reason, maybe not "comics" because they were factual, not funny. My older brothers collected them well before I did, so that would put them running in the paper around the mid-to-late 1950's.

Well before any "comics in the classroom". The idea is hardly revolutionary.

HIGHLIGHTS FOR CHILDREN ran comics as a teaching tool. Kids' educational magazines like LADYBUG still do it.

BOYS' LIFE ran educational comics for decades.

kdb

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 01:59 PM

Bugs Bunny had a term for guys like him, and it wasn't "Doc."

kdb

http://joebrower.com/PHILE_PILE/PIX/FR/screw_ball.jpg

JamesRitcheyIII

02-01-2007, 02:02 PM

Man, I really do get sick of that puffed-up little shit-head's moronic gibberish.

Whether you believe in Cognitive or Morphic Resonance, the Collective Unconscious, 'Hundredth Monkey' phenomenon, or simply that similarly electrochemically-wired humans will happen onto the same idea at around the same time, even the most marginally intelligent, imaginative/creative individual will see a pattern that they came up with, expressed in someone else's work, and developed independently. Alan Moore and Grant Morrison DO have theirs coming in the afterlife for ganking MY ideas from MY section of the collective unconscious, but that's another story.:D

Olney is actually dull enough to believe people are taking his brilliant marketing strategies and running with them. I've decided the NDA he subjected many to here is more a symptom of unimaginable stupidity and trying to make sense of reality with a weak noggin, than pure paranoia.

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 02:02 PM

HIGHLIGHTS FOR CHILDREN ran comics as a teaching tool. Kids' educational magazines like LADYBUG still do it.

BOYS' LIFE ran educational comics for decades.

kdb

I actually remember growing up, and Schoolastic (I think it was schoolastic) offered several magazine subscriptions to students for some rediculously low price like $5 for 12 issues or somthing to encourage reading. One of them was a years subscription to Amazing Spider-man.

I remember choosing that one from the program, It was roughly around the begining of the clone saga, and my subscription ended with Amazing Spider-man #400 the "death" of Aunt May.

NatGertler

02-01-2007, 02:04 PM

Wishlish said:

It doesn't change how much he owes, or the multitude of lies he's told. He's still a colossal, misogynistic, smelly deadbeat with a weird avatar. [...]

Again, you imply that I am a smelly deadbeat.That word, "imply"? You may want to look it up. Looks to me like Wishlish actually stated that you were a smelly deadbeat.

Typo Lad

02-01-2007, 02:08 PM

BOYS' LIFE ran educational comics for decades.

AND an adaptation of Issac & Janet Asimov's Norby!

That was just cool.

Whether you believe in Cognitive or Morphic Resonance, the Collective Unconscious, 'Hundredth Monkey' phenomenon, or simply that similarly electrochemically-wired humans will happen onto the same idea at around the same time, even the most marginally intelligent, imaginative/creative individual will see a pattern that they came up with, expressed in someone else's work.

klyde the wise calls it "ideaspace". I swiped it.

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 02:10 PM

He's still a colossal, misogynistic, smelly deadbeat with a weird avatar.

Again, you imply that I am a smelly deadbeat.

"Imply"?

kdb

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 02:12 PM

http://joebrower.com/PHILE_PILE/PIX/FR/screw_ball.jpg

I was actually thinking of "Maroon."

But that'll do too.

kdb

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 02:16 PM

That word, "imply"? You may want to look it up. Looks to me like Wishlish actually stated that you were a smelly deadbeat.

Plus, that he's colossal and misogynistic, which Rick didn't dispute.

kdb

TCJohnson

02-01-2007, 02:16 PM

HIGHLIGHTS FOR CHILDREN ran comics as a teaching tool. Kids' educational magazines like LADYBUG still do it.

BOYS' LIFE ran educational comics for decades.

kdb

Highlights for Children! Those were the comics my gradeschool library had!

Sarah Beach

02-01-2007, 02:20 PM

"Slow starting publishing venture"?????

Good God! How long has he been planning to "get things published"? Three years at least! And what is in print? NADA!

If he really wanted to get something published, he'd have done it. Shooting Stars did its first anthology in a little over 6 months! We began the idea in December 2001, and we had the book in hand! by the end of July! (Missed the San Diego ComicCon by one week, alas.)

I am not impressed by his "slow starting publishing venture". Pfft.

(Oh, and to cut him off at the pass regarding any possible snide remarks he might make about SSC choosing to fold operations recently: they did it because "running a business", "having a life" and "being the creative talents" don't mix well. They mutually decided that "having a life" & "being creative talents" were the most important things for them.)

As for his repeated sniping that it's nobody's business how he has conducted himself.... you know what? In this business, industry and profession, it is in the general interest (ie, all interested parties) to hold people accountable when they contract for work and then do not pay for said work, when they hire people and do not pay them.

peanut, hobbyists are those who build model train tracks in their basements for their own personal amusement, or even who only collect comic books for their own personal entertainment. Publishers, artists and writers are NOT working in a "hobby".

Oh, and just so you know, peanut brittle, the IRS frowns on "hobby" costs being calculated as business deductions. So you better watch how you publically characterize just what it is you are involved in. Because I'd guess you've taken a lot of "business" deductions on things connected with TLE and MMC. But if it's just a "hobby" for you...... well, that doesn't look so good. (I have a good friend who works for the IRS as an upper level auditor. He could give me more specific details. :) )

DarrenCawsey

02-01-2007, 02:22 PM

I actually remember growing up, and Schoolastic (I think it was schoolastic) offered several magazine subscriptions to students for some rediculously low price like $5 for 12 issues or somthing to encourage reading. One of them was a years subscription to Amazing Spider-man.

I remember choosing that one from the program, It was roughly around the begining of the clone saga, and my subscription ended with Amazing Spider-man #400 the "death" of Aunt May.

God, I remember Schoolastic. I got so many books from them when I was growing up. I remember how excited you'd get when they turned up at school and the teacher would hand them out, it was like Xmas.

I don't remember getting the chance to get a subscription to Amazing Spider-man or any other comics, but that isn't surprising as

a) My memory is terrible. (Maybe it was all that pot mom smoked when she was pregnant, who knows)

and

b) Living in the colonies is not good for kids when it comes to deals like Schoolastics or giveaway's and shit. Schoolastics if I recall was mostly filled with local NZ or Aus books, and staples like RL Stine, CS Lewis, Roald Dahl -anything different or special like subscriptions to comics would have been unavailable. I remeber cutting shit off Transformer boxes when I was a kid, and sending away for crap all the time, of course neglecting to note the "only available to residents of the U.S." fine print. :(

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khuxford

02-01-2007, 02:23 PM

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Why would someone responsible for being a courier in Washington, DC be stationed in Norfolk? That seems stupid to me...those two cities are 3 1/2 hours away from each other. :p

J. Morgan (Bat) Neal

02-01-2007, 02:23 PM

When I was a kid, there were comics run in the newspapers that were nothing more than Texas history lessons. We collected them for our Texas history scrapbooks. There was a reprint of them in a hardcover a few years ago, and they were called "Texas History Movies for some reason, maybe not "comics" because they were factual, not funny. My older brothers collected them well before I did, so that would put them running in the paper around the mid-to-late 1950's.

Well before any "comics in the classroom". The idea is hardly revolutionary.

I remember those! I loved them. I need to track down the collection. What part of Tejas you hail from, Darediva?

JMN

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 02:25 PM

Highlights for Children! Those were the comics my gradeschool library had!

Comics in schools? Before Rick thought of it?

UNPOSSIBLE!

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1343/bushdd1.jpg

kdb

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 02:31 PM

(Oh, and to cut him off at the pass regarding any possible snide remarks he might make about SSC choosing to fold operations recently: they did it because "running a business", "having a life" and "being the creative talents" don't mix well. They mutually decided that "having a life" & "being creative talents" were the most important things for them.)

I was in the last issue of their anthology, drawn by Nat Jones, which I'll be tossing up on comicspace's gallery soon. I really loved Nat's work on that.

I have to admit, my brain has a protective mechinisim in it, that once it reads enough idiocy it just sort of shuts off into scan mode... So I didn't even notice the mention of SSC.

But if he was a big enough of an ass to say that there was any failure in Shooting Star he needs to check his facts. The books sold decently for small press publishers. They had top names working for them. Chuck Dixon was in their first book, Nat, (I'd say me, but I don't want to be egotistical, even though Sean did choose me as the sixth issue's "special pro guest", and I brought in Nat when the artist they had working on my story fell off the face of the earth) etc.

If anything SSC grew too fast too soon. There were too many personal projects and not enough crew to run everything. Scott had his Thrilling comics thing, Sean had his Fishnet Angel, (I still have my FA t-shirt sean gave me at Dragon*Con for being a part of the book)

And truth be told, SSC didn't fold, it evolved. Much like when the Image Comics founders took their studios elsewhere, Scott is still persuing Thrilling Comics, Sean is still doing FA (just with iHero now) and you know, I don't have to defend them. FUCK RICK.

You cannot speak ill about someone who actually was able to market a product when all you've done is hem and haw, and not produce jack all.

TCJohnson

02-01-2007, 02:36 PM

"Imply"?

kdb

And yet he does not object to be calling misogynistic.

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 02:36 PM

Did Rick really claim, as a point of pride, that he was a squad leader in boot camp and four recruits committed suicide under his leadership?

And he thinks this makes him look good?

kdb

Sarah Beach

02-01-2007, 02:36 PM

Why would someone responsible for being a courier in Washington, DC be stationed in Norfolk? That seems stupid to me...those two cities are 3 1/2 hours away from each other. :p

Also, note that we find out he was a courier. That's hardly the same as "being in the NSA" in the sense that most people mean that phrase.

"So, Mr. Olney, when you say you were in the NSA, what do you mean?"

"I was cleared to carry packets from station to station."

"But you were not cleared to read the contents of those packets, were you?"

"I had the clearances needed for my job, sir."

"But that didn't included reading the contents, correct?"

"It was a lot of responsibility, and I did my job honorably. I have an honorable discharge on my wall to prove it."

"But you weren't cleared to read the materials you carried, correct?"

"Sir, I highly resent this bullying persecution of me. I'm an honorably discharged veteran. My word should be enough. I stand behind my word!"

"So, basically, you were NOT 'in the NSA' in the meaning commonly attributed to that phrase."

"I'm not repeating myself to this dogpile."

EdContradictory

02-01-2007, 02:37 PM

Why would someone responsible for being a courier in Washington, DC be stationed in Norfolk? That seems stupid to me...those two cities are 3 1/2 hours away from each other. :p

But they looked so close to each other on the map he looked at before making that up!

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 02:38 PM

Why would someone responsible for being a courier in Washington, DC be stationed in Norfolk? That seems stupid to me...those two cities are 3 1/2 hours away from each other. :p

Actually, since I live 5 miles from Norfolk (actually I can see it across the water from my living room) I'll field this.

the Norfolk Naval Base is the official first response team for Washington DC and NY. We're the closest geographically and have the largest base to mobilize from, so regaurdless of what the action is called for the Norfolk base has it and ready to go within 15 minutes.

They're 3 1/2 hours by CAR, if you are in the Navy, you can get a jet to DC in under 20 minutes.

Sarah Beach

02-01-2007, 02:42 PM

Oh, no, Danny! :)

I was in the last issue of their anthology, drawn by Nat Jones, which I'll be tossing up on comicspace's gallery soon. I really loved Nat's work on that.

I have to admit, my brain has a protective mechinisim in it, that once it reads enough idiocy it just sort of shuts off into scan mode... So I didn't even notice the mention of SSC.

But if he was a big enough of an ass to say that there was any failure in Shooting Star he needs to check his facts. The books sold decently for small press publishers. They had top names working for them. Chuck Dixon was in their first book, Nat, (I'd say me, but I don't want to be egotistical, even though Sean did choose me as the sixth issue's "special pro guest", and I brought in Nat when the artist they had working on my story fell off the face of the earth) etc.

If anything SSC grew too fast too soon. There were too many personal projects and not enough crew to run everything. Scott had his Thrilling comics thing, Sean had his Fishnet Angel, (I still have my FA t-shirt sean gave me at Dragon*Con for being a part of the book)

And truth be told, SSC didn't fold, it evolved. Much like when the Image Comics founders took their studios elsewhere, Scott is still persuing Thrilling Comics, Sean is still doing FA (just with iHero now) and you know, I don't have to defend them. FUCK RICK.

You cannot speak ill about someone who actually was able to market a product when all you've done is hem and haw, and not produce jack all.

You misunderstood my intention there! I was cutting him off, anticipating a possible snide remark. Since I had cited how quickly we got the SSCA #1 into print (for which I was the principal editor), I anticipated (based on his past behavior of belittling anyone else's achievements) that he'd take a jab at the fact that the guys had decided (after four & a half years of *gasp* publishing books!) to fold up operations.

Rick hadn't actually said anything on that front .... yet. But you know... like I said... past behavior would indicate that would be his next snipe. (Now, I suppose he'll come out and condescendingly say nice things about the guys and their achievements, and try to paint me as a guttersnipe. :) )

TCJohnson

02-01-2007, 02:42 PM

Actually, since I live 5 miles from Norfolk (actually I can see it across the water from my living room) I'll field this.

the Norfolk Naval Base is the official first response team for Washington DC and NY. We're the closest geographically and have the largest base to mobilize from, so regaurdless of what the action is called for the Norfolk base has it and ready to go within 15 minutes.

They're 3 1/2 hours by CAR, if you are in the Navy, you can get a jet to DC in under 20 minutes.

Except he said he would drive up to Quantico and then up to DC.

TCJ (Who can see DC across the river.)

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 02:43 PM

But they looked so close to each other on the map he looked at before making that up!

It's actually the one thing that was true. Our guys here in Norfolk were the first response team during 9-11.

Comics in schools? Before Rick thought of it?

UNPOSSIBLE!

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1343/bushdd1.jpg

kdb

Kurt, I love you.... in a totally manly way.

b) Living in the colonies is not good for kids when it comes to deals like Schoolastics or giveaway's and shit. Schoolastics if I recall was mostly filled with local NZ or Aus books, and staples like RL Stine, CS Lewis, Roald Dahl -anything different or special like subscriptions to comics would have been unavailable. I remeber cutting shit off Transformer boxes when I was a kid, and sending away for crap all the time, of course neglecting to note the "only available to residents of the U.S." fine print. :(

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It may have been a US only promotion. I may in fact be remembering it wrong, I could SWEAR it was schoolastic. I remember being in around 5th or 6th grade when the thing came out.

What I do remember of it, it came in one of those schoolastic packets and you had those little stickers like you get from Columbia house and you could pick up to 5 magazines. You had stuff like Sports Illustrated for Kids, I believe a magazine produced by Fox Kids.. and the only comic I remember was Amazing Spider-man. I'm sure if there were more than one I would have subscribed to all of them.

Considering it was, as I recall a damn good deal.

Larry Dixon

02-01-2007, 02:46 PM

I can't wait what Rick's repy will be IF he ever posts again.
How is the clock business and what is your website? Maybe we should do an Unscrewed clock. An Onley clock would run backwards.

My first impression was, an Olney clock would have zeroes in place of all the usual numbers.

I saw a clock recently I MUST get: instead of twelve numbers, it's instead got Monday, Tuesday, etc... a day of the week clock. For our 24/7 household + sleep disorders, that'd do us just fine. :)

I'd dig seeing your work, too, Chris.

Gail Simone

02-01-2007, 02:46 PM

Hey!

Some weird guy named "Three Torts" just showed up at my door!

I kicked him in the crotch and sent him over the railing. What a weirdo!

Gail

J. Morgan (Bat) Neal

02-01-2007, 02:48 PM

God, I remember Schoolastic. I got so many books from them when I was growing up. I remember how excited you'd get when they turned up at school and the teacher would hand them out, it was like Xmas.

I don't remember getting the chance to get a subscription to Amazing Spider-man or any other comics, but that isn't surprising as

a) My memory is terrible. (Maybe it was all that pot mom smoked when she was pregnant, who knows)

and

b) Living in the colonies is not good for kids when it comes to deals like Schoolastics or giveaway's and shit. Schoolastics if I recall was mostly filled with local NZ or Aus books, and staples like RL Stine, CS Lewis, Roald Dahl -anything different or special like subscriptions to comics would have been unavailable. I remeber cutting shit off Transformer boxes when I was a kid, and sending away for crap all the time, of course neglecting to note the "only available to residents of the U.S." fine print. :(

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Spot on. I counted the days from when I ordered whatever books I could afford and they arrived in the classroom. I can still picture seeing the teacher heft up the package and handing out the various books to the eager hands of the students. Some of my fave books of all time came from them. Does anyone else recall the magazines Pizzazz or Banannas? I ate those up.

Oh and it is Scholastic for the record. :)

http://www.scholastic.com/

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 02:49 PM

Except he said he would drive up to Quantico and then up to DC.

TCJ (Who can see DC across the river.)

I really like Arlington. It's a nice area although I wouldn't trade the Hampton Roads area for anything. I've bounced all over the damn place. I'm finally "home" ^_^

Oh, no, Danny! :)

You misunderstood my intention there! I was cutting him off, anticipating a possible snide remark. Since I had cited how quickly we got the SSCA #1 into print (for which I was the principal editor), I anticipated (based on his past behavior of belittling anyone else's achievements) that he'd take a jab at the fact that the guys had decided (after four & a half years of *gasp* publishing books!) to fold up operations.

Rick hadn't actually [I]said anything on that front .... yet. But you know... like I said... past behavior would indicate that would be his next snipe. (Now, I suppose he'll come out and condescendingly say nice things about the guys and their achievements, and try to paint me as a guttersnipe. :) )

Sorry Sarah! I saw red when I thought there was yet another attack on one of my friends who actually do something with their lives.

Of course he will probably call you a bullying guttersnipe. That'd be getting off lucky with him though. lol. Hopefully you don't get the "ho" treatment, Bev will get jealous. :p

AIPman1

02-01-2007, 02:51 PM

I'd like to propose a pact with the rest of the SMALL PRESS FOLKS who were "at odds" in the past: Let's forgive each other IN ADVANCE for anything we said to Rick in private that he may make public now to get us fighting again. ALL of that crap from the days of who's a spy for who and who's more evil than who is MEANINGLESS TODAY. I can go and find my copies of everything he could possibly post and beat him to th punch, but y'know what? I don't think ANYONE really cares about that stuff at this point. There's simply too much new and good to dwell on the old and bad. Let's promise not to hold Olney-influenced behavior against each other. We've all done our 12 step program now and have been Olney-sober for a while.

I plan to stick to my guns and not reply directly to anything he says, and only state facts as I know them.

Papergirl

02-01-2007, 02:52 PM

Orcafresh blog: (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=59528410&blogID=224785880&MyToken=68b00e63-c13c-4c70-8c8b-3c570e1bb9b3)
"I have shared plenty of my times in the Marine Corps with my friends like Dennis Kininger and Brian Robson. Both men have been to my home within the last year and I have a wall with my Honorable Discharge displayed, along with a few of my favorite pictures. I don't talk about being in the shit much back then."

Peanut, I wasn't talking to you when I posted about my Dad. In fact, the point I was making is that each person is different. Some talk about it all the time, some talk about it a little, and some don't talk about it at all. Geez. Not everything is about you.

"I posted pictures, Bev. Do some research."

The pictures you posted could have literally been anyone. They are so small and fuzzy, no details are visible.

"Red. Dragon. Although my particular time in boot training didn't leave a lot of time for anything but helping my fellow recruits make it into being Marines. We lost 4 recruits in my company to suicide. Two of them were from my platoon."

WRONG, Dick. Try again, though. My dad just had a grand time laughing his ass off at you.

"Go ask your local military recruiter! Just tell him you want to do whatever you have to to earn one! You, putz! http://blog.myspace.com/images/blog/smileys/winky.gif"

This kind of reply simply proves my point: You know exactly jack and shit about the Marine Corp. You can't even tell us WHAT a DD-214 is.

~Bev

J. Morgan (Bat) Neal

02-01-2007, 02:53 PM

$2.95 for 32 color pages.

So I suppose this is one of those cases of do what I say and not what I do, eh? Interesting.

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 02:54 PM

I may in fact be remembering it wrong, I could SWEAR it was schoolastic. I remember being in around 5th or 6th grade when the thing came out.

What I do remember of it, it came in one of those schoolastic packets and you had those little stickers like you get from Columbia house and you could pick up to 5 magazines. You had stuff like Sports Illustrated for Kids, I believe a magazine produced by Fox Kids.. and the only comic I remember was Amazing Spider-man. I'm sure if there were more than one I would have subscribed to all of them.

Considering it was, as I recall a damn good deal.

What I expect you're rememberiong is the Scholastic Book Club, which did work through schools. Scholastic (not "schoolastic") currently publishes the Harry Potter books, as well as graphic novels include BONE, the "Baby-Sitter's Club" comics and more.

Their book club still features comics.

kdb

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 02:57 PM

Hey!

Some weird guy named "Three Torts" just showed up at my door!

I kicked him in the crotch and sent him over the railing. What a weirdo!

Gail

He just got back. He's walking funny and says to call him "Four Torts" now.

kdb

Gail Simone

02-01-2007, 02:57 PM

I bet you guys didn't realize you were all acting under my evil 'guidance.'

Shit, this thing outgrew my influence about an hour in.

I'm just gazing in wonder as it grows and spreads like a Lovecraftian shambing nightmare.

Gail

AIPman1

02-01-2007, 02:58 PM

from what I can see, it looks like ALL those recent blog posts are gone already.

J. Morgan (Bat) Neal

02-01-2007, 02:59 PM

I was in the last issue of their anthology, drawn by Nat Jones, which I'll be tossing up on comicspace's gallery soon. I really loved Nat's work on that.

I have to admit, my brain has a protective mechinisim in it, that once it reads enough idiocy it just sort of shuts off into scan mode... So I didn't even notice the mention of SSC.

But if he was a big enough of an ass to say that there was any failure in Shooting Star he needs to check his facts. The books sold decently for small press publishers. They had top names working for them. Chuck Dixon was in their first book, Nat, (I'd say me, but I don't want to be egotistical, even though Sean did choose me as the sixth issue's "special pro guest", and I brought in Nat when the artist they had working on my story fell off the face of the earth) etc.

If anything SSC grew too fast too soon. There were too many personal projects and not enough crew to run everything. Scott had his Thrilling comics thing, Sean had his Fishnet Angel, (I still have my FA t-shirt sean gave me at Dragon*Con for being a part of the book)

And truth be told, SSC didn't fold, it evolved. Much like when the Image Comics founders took their studios elsewhere, Scott is still persuing Thrilling Comics, Sean is still doing FA (just with iHero now) and you know, I don't have to defend them. FUCK RICK.

You cannot speak ill about someone who actually was able to market a product when all you've done is hem and haw, and not produce jack all.

For the record it is Thrill Seeker Comics by Scott McCullar. And what about Aym Geronimo!? I am hurt deeply inside. Oh and don't forget Nick Landime by Erik Burnham...just so this isn't ALL about me. :D

And thanks for the defense, Danny. It is much appreciated. Premature or not. ;)

Papergirl

02-01-2007, 03:00 PM

Comics in schools? Before Rick thought of it?

UNPOSSIBLE!

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1343/bushdd1.jpg

kdb
HAHAHAHA!

I *heart* you! In a totally platonic way, of course! ;)

~Bev

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 03:01 PM

What I expect you're rememberiong is the Scholastic Book Club, which did work through schools. Scholastic (not "schoolastic") currently publishes the Harry Potter books, as well as graphic novels include BONE, the "Baby-Sitter's Club" comics and more.

Their book club still features comics.

kdb

Thanks Kurt! That is probably it. and thanks to all for the correction. It's been so many years I couldn't remember what the name of the company was, all I remember is that little red log. Glad to see they're doing comics still, I think they had just started when I got my Spider-man, as I remember there wasn't much in the way of a comic selection when I got my forms in class.

Also, "peanut" deleted his blogs again.

the4thpip

02-01-2007, 03:01 PM

I found a gift for Rick's wife:

http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/0970743629.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1076115051_.jpg

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 03:02 PM

No, wait. Apparently, only two of the Marine recruits he boasts about failing to keep alive were in his platoon. The other two, in a different platoon, can't have been in his squad.

Still, it's kind of a horrible thing to bring up as an excuse for being too busy to know what book he was supposed to have read, isn't it?

kdb

Papergirl

02-01-2007, 03:04 PM

Papergirl

02-01-2007, 03:06 PM

Especially considering the fact that *EVERY* Marine receives this particular book. Without fail.

~Bev
By the way, if anyone here DOESN'T know what it is, shoot me a PM and I'll fill you in. ;)

No, Dick, not you. You don't get given the answer that easily.

~Bev

Kurt Busiek

02-01-2007, 03:13 PM

Especially considering the fact that *EVERY* Marine receives this particular book. Without fail.

For that matter, I know the book's title, its Corps nickname and what color it is, and the closest I come to the USMC is a couple of friends who enlisted out of high school.

Anyone who actually went through boot camp would be able to give at least the nickname and color without having to think twice.

kdb

EdContradictory

02-01-2007, 03:17 PM

All the blog posts are gone again!

JTPencils

02-01-2007, 03:20 PM

http://www.texarkanacollege.edu/~jmcjunki/outdoors/johnfish2.gif

"Hello, I'm Rick Looney, and I stand behind everything I say... until I don't.... erase erase erase..."

Sean_Jackson

02-01-2007, 03:28 PM

Aaaand all his blogs are gone yet again. Glad they were qouted here.

AIPman1

02-01-2007, 03:30 PM

What's really sick is four of us have posted that info without the others seeing it was already posted...

JTPencils

02-01-2007, 03:31 PM

Most folks leave a paper trail behind them...

peanut just leaves a vapor trail...

*sigh*

Darediva

02-01-2007, 03:37 PM

I remember those! I loved them. I need to track down the collection. What part of Tejas you hail from, Darediva?

JMN

Near Houston. Lived there about half my life. I'm a misplaced Texan at the moment. Will you be able to make it to CAPE? I'm planning on being there.

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 03:38 PM

For the record it is Thrill Seeker Comics by Scott McCullar. And what about Aym Geronimo!? I am hurt deeply inside. Oh and don't forget Nick Landime by Erik Burnham...just so this isn't ALL about me. :D

And thanks for the defense, Danny. It is much appreciated. Premature or not. ;)

God DAMN I need sleep. this whole sleeping for three hours every three days cycle is causing major memory leakage. My apologies for getting Yellowjacket's (not Pym!) home of Thrill Seeker wrong.

And I couldn't forget Aym and Nick. I do believe there was an Aym story in the issue of SSCA I was in.

You're welcome! I'm all full of rage! Even if I don't get all then names correctly and every few minutes start speaking in tongues it's well-meaning rage!

You know to be perfectly honest, at first I wasn't mad at him. As I qouted the lovely River Tam before he was "a sad little king of a sad little hill" I felt sorry for him.

I felt that he was another person who wanted to make a go of being in comics but didn't know where to start. It is in fact very much trial and error to find that happy medium of having decent marketing skills and being a loudmouth that won't shut up.

(I'm still searching for it lol.)

I wanted to help offer what I learned (the hard way) and even after I was screwed over for the work I did and after giving up a number of REALLY GOOD MARKETING IDEAS I could probably have parleyed into a staff job at a small publisher somewhere, all for the love of art.

I still wasn't mad. I was angry when I saw what was happening to my friends. Even angrier when he made all those mysogenistic comments. I will admit I'm an antiquated southern gentleman. I cannot abide by people disrespecting a woman's thoughts or choices. You don't have to AGREE with the choices but never disrespect a person for the choices they make.

It's cowardly. It does not make you a big man, it proves you're too insecure to deal with an intelligent woman who knows what they want and it makes you look a fool.

But NOW after this thread crack. (which might go a small way to explain my sleeping habits) seeing how what I wrote off as some guy being a dick and another chapter of "Danny doesn't get paid because he was too nice" was more another chapter in "a habitual liar and fraud chalks up another victim"

GWAR! angry! :mad:

Darediva

02-01-2007, 03:43 PM

Also, note that we find out he was a courier. That's hardly the same as "being in the NSA" in the sense that most people mean that phrase.

"So, Mr. Olney, when you say you were in the NSA, what do you mean?"

"I was cleared to carry packets from station to station."

"But you were not cleared to read the contents of those packets, were you?"

"I had the clearances needed for my job, sir."

"But that didn't included reading the contents, correct?"

"It was a lot of responsibility, and I did my job honorably. I have an honorable discharge on my wall to prove it."

"But you weren't cleared to read the materials you carried, correct?"

"Sir, I highly resent this bullying persecution of me. I'm an honorably discharged veteran. My word should be enough. I stand behind my word!"

"So, basically, you were NOT 'in the NSA' in the meaning commonly attributed to that phrase."

"I'm not repeating myself to this dogpile."

Exactly how I thought about that comment.

Ok, Rick. You show me YOUR DD-214, and I will gladly show you mine. Deal?

J. Morgan (Bat) Neal

02-01-2007, 03:47 PM

Near Houston. Lived there about half my life. I'm a misplaced Texan at the moment. Will you be able to make it to CAPE? I'm planning on being there.

Yes I will. I actually live in North Texas so its just a hop and a skip for me. Look forward to meeting you in person.

NatGertler

02-01-2007, 03:48 PM

He's hiding the fact that he's got nothing to hide.

rummblestrips

02-01-2007, 03:48 PM

I'll get to the Tim Tobolski matter, the various slights by Lance Boucher, and Small Press' human version of Aloysius Snuffleupagus in the guise of Ian Shires, in short order. I just had to dig real deep to get the exact emails I'll need to point out how 'perfect' these few are for each other. No, not in a gay way! In a creative way! And I'll talk a little about Joanne, to clear up the false truth she's attempted to hide.

...this should be fun...

Do I get to sue him when he makes more foolish claims about me... douche, bitch, stripper...Canadian..

Well, THIS time, I'm not afraid that anyone will believe it.

Larry Dixon

02-01-2007, 03:50 PM

Here's sort of a lateral concept. In animal behavior, and particularly in birds, there is a concept called "The Drama Reward." I think I mentioned this, Gail, sometime last year, when there was another annoying situation.

The estimable Liz Wilson describes it especially well here: http://www3.upatsix.com/liz/articles/drama.html and it casts some very interesting light on the Olney situation, and his actions, I think.

I'd love to hear opinions.

Samuel Catalino

02-01-2007, 03:50 PM

Folks,

I am an Action Comics collector, and there is one I am looking for from the 1950s era, it is Action Comics #143. If you have a copy of it, please feel free to contact me. If I get it is will complete me from 93 on up.

Thanks in advance,

Samuel Catalino

Oh yes, I expect to pay for it, too.

Cam63

02-01-2007, 03:51 PM

Bah. We here at Moneymaker Shakers Intl. mock your understanding of the vernacular!

A tightass is a pude, someone who doesn't know how to have fun.

A tightwad is a miser, someone who doesn't like to pay for things.

This lesson has been brought to you by the numbers 3 and 7, and Committee for Understanding the Difference Between Biting the Dust (dying) and Biting the Big One (sucking).

Thank you!

kdb

*Imagines Kurt in an eyesore sweater as a Sesame Street cast member, circa 1983*

J. Morgan (Bat) Neal

02-01-2007, 03:52 PM

God DAMN I need sleep. this whole sleeping for three hours every three days cycle is causing major memory leakage. My apologies for getting Yellowjacket's (not Pym!) home of Thrill Seeker wrong.

And I couldn't forget Aym and Nick. I do believe there was an Aym story in the issue of SSCA I was in.

You're welcome! I'm all full of rage! Even if I don't get all then names correctly and every few minutes start speaking in tongues it's well-meaning rage!

You know to be perfectly honest, at first I wasn't mad at him. As I qouted the lovely River Tam before he was "a sad little king of a sad little hill" I felt sorry for him.

I felt that he was another person who wanted to make a go of being in comics but didn't know where to start. It is in fact very much trial and error to find that happy medium of having decent marketing skills and being a loudmouth that won't shut up.

(I'm still searching for it lol.)

I wanted to help offer what I learned (the hard way) and even after I was screwed over for the work I did and after giving up a number of REALLY GOOD MARKETING IDEAS I could probably have parleyed into a staff job at a small publisher somewhere, all for the love of art.

I still wasn't mad. I was angry when I saw what was happening to my friends. Even angrier when he made all those mysogenistic comments. I will admit I'm an antiquated southern gentleman. I cannot abide by people disrespecting a woman's thoughts or choices. You don't have to AGREE with the choices but never disrespect a person for the choices they make.

It's cowardly. It does not make you a big man, it proves you're too insecure to deal with an intelligent woman who knows what they want and it makes you look a fool.

But NOW after this thread crack. (which might go a small way to explain my sleeping habits) seeing how what I wrote off as some guy being a dick and another chapter of "Danny doesn't get paid because he was too nice" was more another chapter in "a habitual liar and fraud chalks up another victim"

GWAR! angry! :mad:

No harm done. As long as it's all straight in the end. :o

Aym was in every issue of the SSCA but the one you headlined. But Rex Solomon by Gregg Noon, myself and Rob Bavington was in that issue. And by the by I liked your story very much and the art by Nat Jones was indeed excellent.

SteveForbes

02-01-2007, 03:54 PM

For that matter, I know the book's title, its Corps nickname and what color it is, and the closest I come to the USMC is a couple of friends who enlisted out of high school.

Anyone who actually went through boot camp would be able to give at least the nickname and color without having to think twice.

kdb

::raises hand::

- (didn't have to think about it) llama

NatGertler

02-01-2007, 03:55 PM

Plus, that he's colossal and misogynistic, which Rick didn't dispute.Perhaps he hadn't taken the time to look them up?

("Hey! Whadda ya know?! 'Imply' doesn't mean 'in the style or manner of an imp'!")

Cam63

02-01-2007, 03:57 PM

I'll rule the day when Olney calls himself " The People's Champ " or the " Great One " . Because thus far I can't even read his blogs. The switching to 3rd person narrative and back is turning me off. Its offending my reading senses.

Cam63 is disappointed to read that.

Sarah Beach

02-01-2007, 04:02 PM

Originally posted on his (now disappeared) blog by orcaflesh:
And I'll talk a little about Joanne, to clear up the false truth she's attempted to hide.

...this should be fun...

Do I get to sue him when he makes more foolish claims about me... douche, bitch, stripper...Canadian..

Well, THIS time, I'm not afraid that anyone will believe it.

This reminded me of something when I first read peanut's comments -- "false truth"???? What the heck is that?

I mean, REALLY!!!!

"False truth".

Gah! THERE AIN'T NO SUCH THING, RICK!

It's incredible the mangling he does to not just the English language, but also to LOGIC!

There's what is TRUE.
There's what is FALSE.

There's no such thing as a "false truth" - just as there's no such thing as a "true falseness".

There is, however, such a thing that although it is false through and through, it does exist in reality. And that would be you, Rick. Alas.

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 04:05 PM

No harm done. As long as it's all straight in the end. :o

Aym was in every issue of the SSCA but the one you headlined. But Rex Solomon by Gregg Noon, myself and Rob Bavington was in that issue. And by the by I liked your story very much and the art by Nat Jones was indeed excellent.

Thank you! I really appreciate that. It was a whole lot of fun to do. I actually had a second story I was going to do with Jim Ritchey if SSCA went on, called The Transient. I would have loved to have done that.

...this should be fun...

Do I get to sue him when he makes more foolish claims about me... douche, bitch, stripper...Canadian..

Well, THIS time, I'm not afraid that anyone will believe it.

Everyone knows there's no crime more heinious than being Canadian.

:p

SteveForbes

02-01-2007, 04:08 PM

Everyone knows there's no crime more heinious than being Canadian. :p

Sure there is.

Living in Portsmouth. ;)

(heh. Actually, I just moved from Virginia Beach in Nov. I had... I wouldn't call her an ex-gf... who lived in Portsmouth.)

Joshua Pantalleresco

02-01-2007, 04:09 PM

Of course not!

Me, I've attended panels on comics outreach -- I've even been on panels aboout comics in libraries and schools -- and yet, I had ideas on the subjects before I got there, even including ideas that got discussed on the panel by other people.

In OlneyWorld, this is apparently impossible, so he thinks it's okay for him to assume that he should get the credit.

Bugs Bunny had a term for guys like him, and it wasn't "Doc."

kdb

I believe Bugs had two of them.

"What a maroon" and my favorite "And remember, mud spelled backwards is dum"

JP

Yonar

02-01-2007, 04:09 PM

There's no such thing as a "false truth" - just as there's no such thing as a "true falseness".

There is, however, such a thing that although it is false through and through, it does exist in reality. And that would be you, Rick. Alas.

That would make Rick Truly False.

Which is, as far as I can tell from what I've read, a true statement.

G'night.

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 04:13 PM

Sure there is.

Living in Portsmouth. ;)

(heh. Actually, I just moved from Virginia Beach in Nov. I had... I wouldn't call her an ex-gf... who lived in Portsmouth.)

I live in the historic district of Olde Towne!

The GOOD part of portsmouth. :)

JamesRitcheyIII

02-01-2007, 04:16 PM

This reminded me of something when I first read peanut's comments -- "false truth"???? What the heck is that?

I mean, REALLY!!!!

"False truth".

Gah! THERE AIN'T NO SUCH THING, RICK!

It's incredible the mangling he does to not just the English language, but also to LOGIC!

There's what is TRUE.
There's what is FALSE.

There's no such thing as a "false truth" - just as there's no such thing as a "true falseness".

There is, however, such a thing that although it is false through and through, it does exist in reality. And that would be you, Rick. Alas.

...but Rick IS Truly False, and quite often!

JamesRitcheyIII

02-01-2007, 04:18 PM

That would make Rick Truly False.

Which is, as far as I can tell from what I've read, a true statement.

G'night.

Dammit! beat me to it!

I mention 'cognitive resonance', and everything goes crazy!

rummblestrips

02-01-2007, 04:18 PM

Thank you! I really appreciate that. It was a whole lot of fun to do. I actually had a second story I was going to do with Jim Ritchey if SSCA went on, called The Transient. I would have loved to have done that.

Everyone knows there's no crime more heinious than being Canadian.

:p

That's it
I'm taking you OOOOT side and creating a whole new meaning for the words 'snow balls'
bwaahahahaha
eh?

SteveForbes

02-01-2007, 04:21 PM

I live in the historic district of Olde Towne!

The GOOD part of portsmouth. :)

And I just left. We could have hung out, done some writing together.

Ah, the possibilities.

-(wistful) llama

Yonar

02-01-2007, 04:22 PM

...but Rick IS Truly False, and quite often!

But I said it First. ;)

Yonar

02-01-2007, 04:24 PM

Dammit! beat me to it!

I mention 'cognitive resonance', and everything goes crazy!

Annnnd you beat me to that one. Hmmm. Drat.

Cognitive resonance, the well known phenomena of people with too much Cog in Common.

SteveForbes

02-01-2007, 04:25 PM

...but Rick IS Truly False, and quite often!

I'm having visions of Weird Al singing Lionel Ritchie's "Truly" in honor of Rick.

-(hallucinating) llama

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 04:26 PM

That's it
I'm taking you OOOOT side and creating a whole new meaning for the words 'snow balls'
bwaahahahaha
eh?

Oh you guys think y'all are so awesome because you have midget super-heroes named after hockey equipment. :p

Blake Petit

02-01-2007, 04:28 PM

AND an adaptation of Issac & Janet Asimov's Norby!

That was just cool.

There was a Norby adaptation? Damn, I loved those books when I was a kid.

Danny Donovan

02-01-2007, 04:29 PM

And I just left. We could have hung out, done some writing together.

Ah, the possibilities.

-(wistful) llama

Well if you're ever back in town let me know. :)

But you're out in AZ, two of my dear friends (part of the mystery machine tour) moved from SC to Pheonix.

Cam63

02-01-2007, 04:31 PM

Did Rick really claim, as a point of pride, that he was a squad leader in boot camp and four recruits committed suicide under his leadership?

And he thinks this makes him look good?

kdb

We're still not convinced he was anything more than someone who fantasizes he was a marine.

Squad leader ? Nuh-uh.

Cam63

02-01-2007, 04:36 PM

Also, note that we find out he was a courier. That's hardly the same as "being in the NSA" in the sense that most people mean that phrase.

"So, Mr. Olney, when you say you were in the NSA, what do you mean?"

"I was cleared to carry packets from station to station."

"But you were not cleared to read the contents of those packets, were you?"

"I had the clearances needed for my job, sir."

"But that didn't included reading the contents, correct?"

"It was a lot of responsibility, and I did my job honorably. I have an honorable discharge on my wall to prove it."

"But you weren't cleared to read the materials you carried, correct?"

"Sir, I highly resent this bullying persecution of me. I'm an honorably discharged veteran. My word should be enough. I stand behind my word!"

"So, basically, you were NOT 'in the NSA' in the meaning commonly attributed to that phrase."

"I'm not repeating myself to this dogpile."

I can imagine he'd spout similar drivel on the day.

His lawyer should warn him it aint nice to fuck around in court with too much bullshit, especially if the judge looks like he/she could cut you in half with an icy glare.

Cam63

02-01-2007, 04:39 PM

Hey!

Some weird guy named "Three Torts" just showed up at my door!

I kicked him in the crotch and sent him over the railing. What a weirdo!

Gail

Man, that cough syrup gives you a nasty hangover.

Reverend Smooth

02-01-2007, 04:48 PM

I saw a clock recently I MUST get: instead of twelve numbers, it's instead got Monday, Tuesday, etc... a day of the week clock. For our 24/7 household + sleep disorders, that'd do us just fine. :) That'd get a lot of mileage in my household.

But thank the gods for desktop widgets.

Papergirl

02-01-2007, 04:59 PM

We're still not convinced he was anything more than someone who fantasizes he was a marine.

Squad leader ? Nuh-uh.
Hey, the man can't even answer two of THE most basic question EVERY Marine can answer in a snap. I'm still calling bullshit on his military claims.

~Bev

khuxford

02-01-2007, 05:22 PM

I bet you guys didn't realize you were all acting under my evil 'guidance.'
Gail

I was well aware, as it was a condition of the immortality you promised me. :D

wishlish

02-01-2007, 05:25 PM

Or, you know, whatever intern or employee tasked with giving tours toured you around the Marvel office, was glad when "the really talkative tour" finally left, and then never mentioned it to anyone.

Or is everyone in ORCA so arrogant that none of you didn't think Marvel already knew that comics were too expensive for kids?

Actually, it's not that hard to imagine a Marvel executive team that wasn't too concerned with the rising costs of comics at the time. In 1994, the team in place was Perelman's team that run the company into the ground.

There's a classic Tom Spurgeon column (http://www.comicsreporter.com/index.php/briefings/commentary/1864/) where he went to a Marvel gathering with retailers in early 1996.

"What I got was a lot of poorly given talks and more than a few "We'll have to get back to you"s. These guys are getting paid that much for this? Stewart did a fine job acting the no-nonsense authoritarian, although as related above he sometimes spoke more harshly than I thought he would. My favorite moment of this kind came after a woman made a plaintive case for her tiny store out in the boondocks. After describing how her customers sometimes need to do layaway for a $1.95 book, and begging Stewart not to raise the minimum store purchase, Stewart shot back, "Hey, we can't come up with a plan that will please everyone." Screw you and your poor customers, lady."

Koben Kelly

02-01-2007, 05:36 PM

The pictures you posted could have literally been anyone. They are so small and fuzzy, no details are visible.

WRONG, Dick. Try again, though. My dad just had a grand time laughing his ass off at you.

This kind of reply simply proves my point: You know exactly jack and shit about the Marine Corp. You can't even tell us WHAT a DD-214 is.

~Bev

BUSTED! Nice one, PG.

Papergirl

02-01-2007, 05:37 PM

BUSTED! Nice one, PG.
Thank you! :)

~Bev

Matt Doc Martin

02-01-2007, 05:43 PM

I am using big colorful letters so hopefully peanut will notice.

Rick: I know you come here. I know you read the thread. So pay attention.

You keep threatening people with legal action.

Well, some of us are actually pursuing it with you.

I have copies of things you posted where you claim to have raised $500 for St Judes Children's research Hospital in 2003.

Here is a copy of your flier, for example:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/docmartin72/mmcfolder72.jpg

St Jude's has NO proof you donated anything. And , you were NOT given permission to use their name for fund raising.

So, you have one of three choices:

1) Call Jen Joy back at St Jude's and provide her the information she asked for.

2) Give ME the information, and I will give it to her and stop #3 from happening.

3) Explain yourself to the NY Attorney General AND the legal affairs department of St Jude's. They have both been made aware and St Jude's is especially interested. (And they have copies of your claims)

I have already sent one complaint to the AG in regards to some other claims of yours, and I have another complaint ready to go as well. Jen asked me for a copy of it.

Your actions have consequences. And I plan on showing up at your court date with a Happy Meal. So pony up the info, or take your chances.

Have a nice evening.

Papergirl

02-01-2007, 05:48 PM

Koben Kelly

02-01-2007, 05:49 PM

I'm gonna go on record as stating that Rick does NOT have any idea what the bands he claims to be listening to sound like. He's obviously searching for key words that have some minimal connection to the full-o-shit points he's attmpting to make. Again, he's trying to be clever... and failing miserably.

New Order? The Damned? Whatever, dude.

One more chink in the veracity of anything he EVER lets fall from his TightLips.

And... I gotta give it up to PG, again, for the PWNership of pRick.

Papergirl

02-01-2007, 05:53 PM

Reverend Smooth

02-01-2007, 05:54 PM

This is just all shades of wrong, dude.

And as someone who's sick, I am just horrified that this guy is trying to profit from the suffering of sick kids.

Psychopaths are "intraspecies predators who use charm, manipulation, intimidation, and violence to control others and to satisfy their own selfish needs. Lacking in conscience and in feelings for others, they cold-bloodedly take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without the slightest sense of guilt or regret."

"What is missing, in other words, are the very qualities that allow a human being to live in social harmony."

What is a psychopath?

A psychopath is defined as a person having no concerns for the feelings of others and a complete disregard for any sense of social obligation. They seem egocentric and lack insight and any sense of responsibility or consequence. Their emotions are thought to be superficial and shallow, if they exist at all. They are considered callous, manipulative, and incapable of forming lasting relationships, let alone of any meaningful love.

Since psychopaths cause harm through their actions, it is assumed that they are not emotionally attached to the people they harm; however, according to the PCL-R Checklist, psychopaths are also careless in the way they treat themselves. They frequently fail to alter their behavior in a way that would prevent them from enduring future discomfort. Dr. Joseph Newman contends that the behavior displayed by psychopaths is the result of "an inability to process contextual cues."

It is thought that any emotions which the primary psychopath exhibits are the fruits of watching and mimicking other people's emotions. They show poor impulse control and a low tolerance for frustration and aggression. They have no empathy, remorse, anxiety or guilt in relation to their behavior. In short, they truly are devoid of conscience. However, they understand that society expects them to behave in a conscientious manner, and therefore they mimic this behaviour when it suits their needs.I'm no shrink, but some things seem awfully familiar.