Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[TomStillwell]

From your friendly neighborhood geek fact checker - who's at home with a sick kid.

Wedge's last name is Antilles. He does have the honor of being the only minor character to survive all three Star Wars movies (or 4-6 for those of you who are picky).

Sad thing? I remembered that off the top of my head.

On an Olney note - Haven't I seen something similar to Olney's behavior pattern on CSI shows? Can we expect the madness to accelerate? For that matter, has anyone checked his basement to make sure that his freezer isn't full of dead cats or something? I wouldn't put it past him.

Also, if you read the Star Wars books that follow continuity after the original movies, Wedge becomes the famous leader of the elite x-wing group Rogue Squadron . Eventually he is promoted up through the ranks and retires as a general.

The books that follow the movies are great. I'd really love to see those made into movies. Heck, all the people from the movies are the right age to play the characters now.

[Typo Lad]

The books that follow the movies are great.

Except "The Crystal Star" and "Children of the Jedi". BLEH!

[TomStillwell]

Except "The Crystal Star" and "Children of the Jedi". BLEH!

I was thinking more along the lines of New Jedi Order.

[Sally Sensational]

And now I'm feeling guilty for inadvertently participating in thread derailment . . .

*Hides from the coming of the rolled-up newspaper.*

[Typo Lad]

NJO's okay. The continuity got to be a bit much for me after a bit.

Back on topic... when did Mr. Olney come back with this Ex-ORCA's stats? I
missed this somewhere.

[Kozemp]

Ca va tres bien.

...Meme si j'ai une migraine. Ca suce, les migraines, pis ca m'empeche de travailler sur ces maudites textures 3D.

Toi? XD

Uh...

I'm only up to Pimsleur lesson 5 or so.

Comment allez-vous?

JLK
at least I'm trying

[Sally Sensational]

Actually -- Eddie got issues that he signified that he still needed to know what part of the story he hadn't read yet. So it was a service to him and I suspect the issues were either brand new, as ORCA bought multiples of books ... even Donna Barr's books or there may have been an autographed book in with the bunch.

This post. Sounds kinda weird when you consider that he had no idea who Eddie was a few posts before.

[Typo Lad]

Thanks Sally.

Brings to mind a certain poem...

Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)

[Kozemp]

Originally Posted by Corrina View Post
Well, he speaks high school level French.

Ou est la stylo?
Il est sur la table.

I'm going to go WAY out on a limb here and say:

Eine blitzen ist en der flachmatuch.

God, I hope somone gets that.

JLK
Die Cultural Festivalen ist ein Big Dealen

[Typo Lad]

One crepe is in the .... buttoc?

[Sarah Beach]

First he said:
Originally posted by Rick Olney
I don't have any memory of an Eddie Mitchell without looking back for his old reader survey....

Then just 20 minutes later he posts:
Actually -- Eddie got issues that he signified that he still needed to know what part of the story he hadn't read yet. So it was a service to him and I suspect the issues were either brand new, as ORCA bought multiples of books ... even Donna Barr's books or there may have been an autographed book in with the bunch.

Which means that in the course of 20 minutes, where he was also reading posts and responding, he found his over-10-year-old records, or re-read what Eddie had to say.

Either way.... wonky.

[Sally Sensational]

Which means that in the course of 20 minutes, where he was also reading posts and responding, he found his over-10-year-old records, or re-read what Eddie had to say.

Which means that he must read faster than the intelligence level of his posts would indicate - 'Cause I really, really doubt he keeps that good of records.

[Kozemp]

Since catching up since I left on Saturday night has thankfully eaten a solid hour and a half here at work, let me offer a couple things:

1) The canon reason given for why Klingons looked slightly different was given on Enterprise. It had to do with Khan, actually, and the Klingon Empire trying to create genetically-enhanced soldiers (oops). Can't believe no one mentioned that.

2) SOME of the post-ROTJ Star Wars books are good. Basically anything by Timothy Zahn is top-notch, highest-possible-recommendation excellent (except Outbound Flight, which is only pretty good). The New Jedi Order veers wildly from outstanding to unreadable, but as a whole the storyline is worth reading. The new Legacy series has the POTENTIAL to be very interesting, though I fear the SW book people will likely pussy out on what it would take to do that.

HOWEVER - I have recently come across the SW writings of Karen Traviss, and she ROCKS SO FUCKING HARD. Her books are AWESOME. This will not sound the way I mean it, but Republic Commando: Triple Zero is a "real book." If you love Star Wars, go read Karen Traviss. NOW.

3) Rick has left in a huff again. This makes me sad. He and I never seem to be around at the same time, and this deprives me of the opportunity to lambast him in real time. Sad.

4) Kara and Lee are stupid. Just... they're just both fucking retarded.

JLK
back to work, idlers!

[TCJohnson]

Which means that he must read faster than the intelligence level of his posts would indicate - 'Cause I really, really doubt he keeps that good of records.

Actually, I bet he keeps the best records ever. He keeps track of every good favor he has ever done a person and knows every cent anybody owes him, up to and including Billy Williams who stole his lunch money in the first grade...and he will get his revenge. Oh yes he will! : shakes fist at the sky :

[Reverend Smooth]

Uh...

I'm only up to Pimsleur lesson 5 or so.

Comment allez-vous?

JLK
at least I'm trying
XD

Ma migraine est partie, mais j'ai encore ces maudites textures a finir.

I'm going to go WAY out on a limb here and say:

Eine blitzen ist en der flachmatuch.

God, I hope somone gets that.

JLK
Die Cultural Festivalen ist ein Big DealenIt's a secret. >.>

[Danny Donovan]

Actually, I bet he keeps the best records ever. He keeps track of every good favor he has ever done a person and knows every cent anybody owes him, up to and including Billy Williams who stole his lunch money in the first grade...and he will get his revenge. Oh yes he will! : shakes fist at the sky :

This is actually true.

Rick does keep an running list of "enemies" routinely googling himself to see if anyone's said anything negative about him. And he does (or must) keep things close by so he can brag about his deeds in the industry.

he's never one to let a good deed be its own reward, he wants everyone to know HE was the reason behind it.

even when he wasn't.

[AaronJ]

This is actually true.

Rick does keep an running list of "enemies" routinely googling himself to see if anyone's said anything negative about him. And he does (or must) keep things close by so he can brag about his deeds in the industry.


That is so freakin' weird.

[Kozemp]

XD

Ma migraine est partie, mais j'ai encore ces maudites textures a finir.

I'm pretty sure I said lesson five.

Er...

Comment allez-vous?

(Realizing you actually answered my question, but the question is about all I've got right now.)

It's a secret. >.>

Yes... it's like some bad movie...

JLK
I just finished my tunnel.

[Reverend Smooth]

Yes... it's like some bad movie...
XD

--

Danny, I messaged you back on comicspace. >.>

[Danny Donovan]

XD

--

Danny, I messaged you back on comicspace. >.>


Aww thank you! <3

[Sally Sensational]

Ma migraine est partie, mais j'ai encore ces maudites textures a finir.

>.>

Translating, please hold:

My migraine is gone, but now I have to get back to work finishing those 3-D graphics.

How'd I do?

It's been years since I tried to think in French. I got lost somewhere around the conditional verbs in college.

[Reverend Smooth]

My migraine is gone, but now I have to get back to work finishing those damn 3-D graphics.

You did very well! It's so nice to see people trying, anyway. I haven't been back home in over a decade, but y'all are making me feel less homesick, thank you. <3

[Paul D. Storrie]

I think there are China men asking each other, "Do you smell something?"

Never been a wrasslin' fan, but suddenly I'm hearing in my head, "Can you smell what the Rick is oozing?"

PDS

[neko onna]

a friend sent me this, it was posted on craigslist. I thought it did realate somewhat to this whole ordeal.
all you tightlip folks would do well to read it: ;)

Every day, there are more and more Craigs List posts seeking “artists” for everything from auto graphics to comic books to corporate logo designs. More people are finding themselves in need of some form of illustrative service.

But what they’re NOT doing, unfortunately, is realizing how rare someone with these particular talents can be.

To those who are “seeking artists”, let me ask you; How many people do you know, personally, with the talent and skill to perform the services you need? A dozen? Five? One? …none?

More than likely, you don’t know any. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be posting on craigslist to find them.

And this is not really a surprise.

In this country, there are almost twice as many neurosurgeons as there are professional illustrators. There are eleven times as many certified mechanics. There are SEVENTY times as many people in the IT field.

So, given that they are less rare, and therefore less in demand, would it make sense to ask your mechanic to work on your car for free? Would you look him in the eye, with a straight face, and tell him that his compensation would be the ability to have his work shown to others as you drive down the street?

Would you offer a neurosurgeon the “opportunity” to add your name to his resume as payment for removing that pesky tumor? (Maybe you could offer him “a few bucks” for “materials”. What a deal!)

Would you be able to seriously even CONSIDER offering your web hosting service the chance to have people see their work, by viewing your website, as their payment for hosting you?

If you answered “yes” to ANY of the above, you’re obviously insane. If you answered “no”, then kudos to you for living in the real world.

But then tell me… why would you think it is okay to live out the same, delusional, ridiculous fantasy when seeking someone whose abilities are even less in supply than these folks?

Graphic artists, illustrators, painters, etc., are skilled tradesmen. As such, to consider them as, or deal with them as, anything less than professionals fully deserving of your respect is both insulting and a bad reflection on you as a sane, reasonable person. In short, it makes you look like a twit.

A few things you need to know;

1. It is not a “great opportunity” for an artist to have his work seen on your car/’zine/website/bedroom wall, etc. It IS a “great opportunity” for YOU to have their work there.

2. It is not clever to seek a “student” or “beginner” in an attempt to get work for free. It’s ignorant and insulting. They may be “students”, but that does not mean they don’t deserve to be paid for their hard work. You were a “student” once, too. Would you have taken that job at McDonalds with no pay, because you were learning essential job skills for the real world? Yes, your proposition it JUST as stupid.

3. The chance to have their name on something that is going to be seen by other people, whether it’s one or one million, is NOT a valid enticement. Neither is the right to add that work to their “portfolio”. They get to do those things ANYWAY, after being paid as they should. It’s not compensation. It’s their right, and it’s a given.

4. Stop thinking that you’re giving them some great chance to work. Once they skip over your silly ad, as they should, the next ad is usually for someone who lives in the real world, and as such, will pay them. There are far more jobs needing these skills than there are people who possess these skills.

5. Students DO need “experience”. But they do NOT need to get it by giving their work away. In fact, this does not even offer them the experience they need. Anyone who will not/can not pay them is obviously the type of person or business they should be ashamed to have on their resume anyway. Do you think professional contractors list the “experience” they got while nailing down a loose step at their grandmother’s house when they were seventeen?

If you your company or gig was worth listing as desired experience, it would be able to pay for the services it received. The only experience they will get doing free work for you is a lesson learned in what kinds of scrubs they should not lower themselves to deal with.

6. (This one is FOR the artists out there, please pay attention.) Some will ask you to “submit work for consideration”. They may even be posing as some sort of “contest”. These are almost always scams. They will take the work submitted by many artists seeking to win the “contest”, or be “chosen” for the gig, and find what they like most. They will then usually have someone who works for them, or someone who works incredibly cheap because they have no originality or talent of their own, reproduce that same work, or even just make slight modifications to it, and claim it as their own. You will NOT be paid, you will NOT win the contest. The only people who win, here, are the underhanded folks who run these ads. This is speculative, or “spec”, work. It’s risky at best, and a complete scam at worst. I urge you to avoid it, completely. For more information on this subject, please visit www.no-spec.com.

So to artists/designers/illustrators looking for work, do everyone a favor, ESPECIALLY yourselves, and avoid people who do not intend to pay you. Whether they are “spec” gigs, or just some guy who wants a free mural on his living room walls. They need you. You do NOT need them.

And for those who are looking for someone to do work for free… please wake up and join the real world. The only thing you’re accomplishing is to insult those with the skills you need. Get a clue.

Now this is not to say creative types should be paid an arm and a leg (unless you got an arm and a leg to pay :p ) but we should be fairly compensated like anyone else and in a TIMELY MANNER

[Sally Sensational]

You did very well! It's so nice to see people trying, anyway. I haven't been back home in over a decade, but y'all are making me feel less homesick, thank you. <3

And we here in the South appreciate you, both for using y'all and for spelling it correctly!

[TomStillwell]

Guys, I can't say how excited I am about this auction coming up.

Here's our contributors so far:

Kurt Busiek
Tony Isabella
Mark Waid
Larry Dixon
Mercedes Lackey
Troy Hickman
Colleen Doran
Taki Soma
Paul Storrie
James Owen
Scott Shaw!
Nat Gertler & About Comics
Tom Beland
Tim Tobliski
Jim Taylor
Jamal Igle
Gail Simone
Lance Boucher
Nicola Scott
Marv Wolfman

I've talked to a few of them about what they are donating and it's some really cool stuff!

[Reverend Smooth]

And we here in the South appreciate you, both for using y'all and for spelling it correctly!They used it a lot in Indiana, which is the first US state that I moved to. It's just like the french 'vous' in that specific sense, so I picked it right up. :3

Tom: With who's on that list, it should be an amazing auction.

[Danny Donovan]

Also, Ryan Stegman, from Marvel/DB Pro's The Magician has offered art for the auction as well. :)

I like making sure everyone gets a mention. ^_^;

edit: now with Marv Wolfman as well!!!!!!!!!

Wow, I wonder what Rick would think of that?

[Kozemp]

a friend sent me this, it was posted on craigslist. I thought it did realate somewhat to this whole ordeal.
all you tightlip folks would do well to read it: ;)



Now this is not to say creative types should be paid an arm and a leg (unless you got an arm and a leg to pay :p ) but we should be fairly compensated like anyone else and in a TIMELY MANNER

For someone who harps about living in the "real world" this person doesn't seem to have much experience with it.

(Note, of course, that I do not refer to Neko here, but the CL OP.)

I'm not saying it's right to rip artists off - it isn't, ever - but if you're just starting off in ANY artistic endeavor, guess what: you're not going to get paid much, if at all, in the beginning. My profession happens to be the theatre, and when you start out you do gigs for exposure. You do them for experience. It's WHAT YOU DO. It's how you build your resume and make contacts and get into the business.

If you come bang out of college with nothing on your resume but a BA in Theatre (or whatever) and a list of college shows and refuse to work on anything that doesn't pay you, well, you're going to have lots of time to read Craigslist because you aren't going to get any goddamned work. I pay my actors and technicians but we are not a union company, just like all but four or five companies in this city (the second- or third-largest theatre city in the US).

So when you start out you do gigs just for the credit. You do them all the time. You seek them desperately. Most non-equity actors don't see a dime for a couple years, and work day jobs. Then you move up to the people who pay a little bit. Enough to cover your expenses, make sure you don't lose money working on the show, maybe a little more than that (the level I operate at). Most of us at this level STILL have day jobs or are very, very, very, very, very poor. Then, if you're very talented and VERY, VERY, VERY goddamned lucky you quit your day job and do it full-time, and even then I would estimate that something like 99% of people working full-time in the theatre make a nice, moderate, middle-to-upper-middle class living. No one is getting rich here.

And, from what I've read and heard and seen, comics and illustration is pretty much the exact same way. You work your ass off to get noticed, and you probably don't get a lot for it. Not for a long time. You do it to network, you do it to practice and refine and perfect your craft, and you do it because you love it and you hope that SOMEDAY you'll be able to make a living out of it. Call it theatre, call it comics, call it writing, call it whatever, all artistic endeavors are pretty much the same in that respect.

Scams aside - and, yes, let me say again that scamming artists of any stripe is always wrong, no matter what - if you want to be any kind of artist, especially starting out, you do any work you can get, since if you hold out for jobs that "pay you appropriately" (which, by the OP's logic, is twice as much as a neurosurgeon) you're just never going to get any work.

That's the fucking real world.

JLK

[TomStillwell]

Also, Ryan Stegman, from Marvel/DB Pro's The Magician has offered art for the auction as well. :)

I like making sure everyone gets a mention. ^_^;

edit: now with Marv Wolfman as well!!!!!!!!!

Wow, I wonder what Rick would think of that?

He's wondering how much he can get for the Van of Justice so he can bid on stuff.

There's two absolute truths about Rick Olney.

1. He needs attention and needs to picture himself as a big wheel like a crack addict needs his fix.

2. He'll do anything to make his comic collection bigger. It's like his Precious.

Those two things have been the cornerstones of his self-made destruction.

[Danny Donovan]

For someone who harps about living in the "real world" this person doesn't seem to have much experience with it.

I'm not saying it's right to rip artists off - it isn't, ever - but if you're just starting off in ANY artistic endeavor, guess what: you're not going to get paid much, if at all, in the beginning. My profession happens to be the theatre, and when you start out you do gigs for exposure. You do them for experience. It's WHAT YOU DO. It's how you build your resume and make contacts and get into the business.

If you come bang out of college with nothing on your resume but a BA in Theatre (or whatever) and a list of college shows and refuse to work on anything that doesn't pay you, well, you're going to have lots of time to read Craigslist because you aren't going to get any goddamned work. I pay my actors and technicians but we are not a union company, just like all but four or five companies in this city (the second- or third-largest theatre city in the US).

So when you start out you do gigs just for the credit. You do them all the time. You seek them desperately. Most non-equity actors don't see a dime for a couple years, and work day jobs. Then you move up to the people who pay a little bit. Enough to cover your expenses, make sure you don't lose money working on the show, maybe a little more than that (the level I operate at). Most of us at this level STILL have day jobs or are very, very, very, very, very poor. Then, if you're very talented and VERY, VERY, VERY goddamned lucky you quit your day job and do it full-time, and even then I would estimate that something like 99% of people working full-time in the theatre make a nice, moderate, middle-to-upper-middle class living. No one is getting rich here.

And, from what I've read and heard and seen, comics and illustration is pretty much the exact same way. You work your ass off to get noticed, and you probably don't get a lot for it. Not for a long time. You do it to network, you do it to practice and refine and perfect your craft, and you do it because you love it and you hope that SOMEDAY you'll be able to make a living out of it. Call it theatre, call it comics, call it writing, call it whatever, all artistic endeavors are pretty much the same in that respect.

Scams aside - and, yes, let me say again that scamming artists of any stripe is always wrong, no matter what - if you want to be any kind of artist, especially starting out, you do any work you can get, since if you hold out for jobs that "pay you appropriately" (which, by the OP's logic, is twice as much as a neurosurgeon) you're just never going to get any work.

That's the fucking real world.

JLK


This is true. No one can get a paying gig in this business (unless you're really flavor of the month, like when the "ameri-manga" things came out and everyone who could draw like J.Scott Campbell or Joe Madereira were being picked up by anyone that saw a pin up) until you have some credits under your belt.

Now this is easy to do by producing your own book, or one shot or mini series, or teaming up with a friend to sell it to a larger company like Image or Dark Horse etc.

But artists that make money, are artists that can prove that not only can they draw, they can also tell a story (you wouldn't believe how many portfolio reviews have AWESOME wolverine pin ups in them, only to find their sequential style is non existant)

That's not to say you can pretend to be a company and not pay. But when you're just an individual on your own, sometimes you have to form mutually benificial alliances with talent to help raise both your games up. ;)

[Kozemp]

A necessary corollary to my previous post:

If you TELL people upfront that they won't be paid (or will be paid on the back end, or that they will be paid a microscopic amount) and they still accept the work, that's one thing. Everyone knows what they're getting into and there can be no legitimate hard feelings when no money (or very little money) changes hands.

If you tell people they WILL be paid and then don't, you're a scumbag. Like Rick.

JLK
who pays his people

[Reverend Smooth]

Scams aside - and, yes, let me say again that scamming artists of any stripe is always wrong, no matter what - if you want to be any kind of artist, especially starting out, you do any work you can get, since if you hold out for jobs that "pay you appropriately" (which, by the OP's logic, is twice as much as a neurosurgeon) you're just never going to get any work.

That's the fucking real world.

JLK
Yeah.

But I, personally, rarely do work to spec- all of my expeiences doing that have been lousy. I send my portfolio in and get the gig or I don't. I don't do free gigs 'for the credit' at all, unless I'm fine with doing it for charity. (Or I am feeling contrary enough with myself to do it anyway because I like who asks me.)

Doing the 3d stuff on the side keeps my skills in good shape while I pick and choose whom to send stuff to, and while it's a slower process of breaking in, there's less chance of getting burned.

Getting screwed by Maxim taught me that you can get burned by theoretically anyone, so I tend to look for publishers who have a good track record AND who are praised by the people they hire.

[Danny Donovan]

He's wondering how much he can get for the Van of Justice so he can bid on stuff.




well hope he can get a decent price for it. 'cause we don't accept happy meals for payments. :p

[Kozemp]

Yeah.

But I, personally, rarely do work to spec- all of my expeiences doing that have been lousy. I send my portfolio in and get the gig or I don't. I don't do free gigs 'for the credit' at all, unless I'm fine with doing it for charity. (Or I am feeing contrary enough with myself to do it anyway because I like who asks me.)

Doing the 3d stuff on the side keeps my skills in good shape while I pick and choose whom to send stuff to, and while it's a slower process of breaking in, there's less chance of getting burned.

Getting screwed by Maxim taught me that you can get burned by theoretically anyone, so I tend to look for publishers who have a good track record AND who are praised by the people they hire.

At least you're honest about the fact that you're doing it the hard way, and you KNOW you're doing it the hard way, and you're not bitching about the fact that the hard way is, in fact, hard.

Don't get me wrong - even doing it the Real World Way (TM), which is only slightly less hard than the way the Rev is doing it, the failure rate is astonishing. Four other small theatre companies debuted in the same month mine did three years ago. All of them are gone now...

JLK
stayin' aliiiiiiiiiii-iiiiiiiiiiiiiiive

[Corrina]

XD

Ma migraine est partie, mais j'ai encore ces maudites textures a finir.



Your headache is better and you finished the 3D textures.

I think.

At that, I think this is easier to decipher than Olney's posts.

[AIPman1]

This is true. No one can get a paying gig in this business (unless you're really flavor of the month, like when the "ameri-manga" things came out and everyone who could draw like J.Scott Campbell or Joe Madereira were being picked up by anyone that saw a pin up) until you have some credits under your belt.

Now this is easy to do by producing your own book, or one shot or mini series, or teaming up with a friend to sell it to a larger company like Image or Dark Horse etc.

But artists that make money, are artists that can prove that not only can they draw, they can also tell a story (you wouldn't believe how many portfolio reviews have AWESOME wolverine pin ups in them, only to find their sequential style is non existant)

That's not to say you can pretend to be a company and not pay. But when you're just an individual on your own, sometimes you have to form mutually benificial alliances with talent to help raise both your games up. ;)

The Small Press Idol contest is also a GREAT way to get a real feel for your abilities, from pin ups to character design to story telling, with a healthy dose of seeing if you can win real fans along the way.

stop in and see the list of sponsors and supporters!

http://www.dimestoreproductions.com/smallpressidol/idol07/index.html

[Reverend Smooth]

At least you're honest about the fact that you're doing it the hard way, and you KNOW you're doing it the hard way, and you're not bitching about the fact that the hard way is, in fact, hard.Righto. I don't mind, it's ok. I have to prove that I am a reliable colorist, because the nature of the business is solid work that comes out on time and I knew that when I decided to give it a go. You can only prove that by doing that for a while. I may know that I can do that, but nobody else does.

(However, I am ecstatic that Archaia picked up Hollow, and that's making me even more motivated, so things are moving now.)

Don't get me wrong - even doing it the Real World Way (TM), which is only slightly less hard than the way the Rev is doing it the failure rate is astonishing. Four other small theatre companies debuted in the same month mine did three years ago. All of them are gone now...
My view is that there is no option but to plug away at it, and if I am determined enough, I will continue to get gigs and prove my reliability. The reason why I have no option is that I am homebound for the most part (for example, if I made it to a con, I would be forced to stay outside where chemicals can disperse without overloading my system, and only for a short while unless it was very cold, because I can't control my body temp and I can't sweat to cool off) and therefore can't get a brick-and-mortar job. I'd be fine with working in a garden nursery or a fish department or a bookstore, but there's simply no other way for me to help bring in a third and necessary income to the household but to work from home via the internets.

So of course it's hard, but what's the option? I don't want to texture models for the rest of my life, and I love comics, and I don't mind sequentials.

In the meantime, I can keep my other job. It's dull, but it helps to put food on the table. I have a better computer now, so I can do a lot more of the damn things in a lot less time.

Anyway, I blather on too much.

[neko onna]

I didn't mean that folks should not pay thier dues with that post..I know I have and in some cases still due..you have to..but you don't have to be taken advantage of to do it. I thought alot of the stuff that is raised in it hits home..and yes while some of it is far out there..some of it rings true everyday..and Rick is a perfect example of it.

I have taken jobs for the "exposure" and the pay is for shit..but it got my name spread around the world in one shot. At the time the it was the exposure that I needed more..now that is not to say I didn't feel a little sick to my stomach when I had to mail off the work knowing I wasn't getting paid nearly enough for my time and effort..not to mention I can go on ebay and see others making 10-100 times the amount of money i made off my work. But like I said at the time it was the right choice. It opend some doors that I would not have had the opprotunity to open otherwise.

[Reverend Smooth]

Your headache is better and you finished the 3D textures.

I think.

At that, I think this is easier to decipher than Olney's posts.I still have to finish them, but my self-imposed deadline is friday and I should actually be done by wednesday.

Voila, une texture presque fini. (http://hollowcomic.com/horse.jpg)

[Danny Donovan]

I still have to finish them, but my self-imposed deadline is friday and I should actually be done by wednesday.

Voila, une texture presque fini. (http://hollowcomic.com/horse.jpg)


Pony!

:)

Lovely work RS

[Reverend Smooth]

Pony!

:)

Lovely work RS

Thank you. <3

[neko onna]

I still have to finish them, but my self-imposed deadline is friday and I should actually be done by wednesday.

Voila, une texture presque fini. (http://hollowcomic.com/horse.jpg)
HOLY CRAP!!! That is sweet!!! No..AMAZING!:eek:

[Kozemp]

I didn't mean that folks should not pay thier dues with that post..

Of course not. I didn't mean to cast aspersions your way, but to the OP from craigslist. Frankly it sounded like the whiny ravings of an underemployed artist about the fact that the world does not hand him everything he wants. I hear this a lot from actors.

The point you make about paying dues is exactly what the post was saying - the OP thought people shouldn't have to do so and that everyone who says they're a writer/actor/artist should be Stephen King/Tom Hanks/Bryan Hitch the instant they declare themselves to be so.

In the circle I work in we half-jokingly say "all for the art" all the time. Usually it's a reference to someone who hurts themself on a setpiece or suffers some other kind of physical or emotional unpleasantness while working on a show.

There's an element of truth to the joke, though - if you're not going to go all out and give it everything you've got, what's the point? Being creative is hard work, and you don't always succeed. In fact, most of the time, you won't succeed, at least not in a material sense. But if material success is what you're after, maybe art isn't the best field for you.

And, in the immortal words of eminent Western philosopher Michael Jagger, "you can't always get what you want."

JLK
who always gets what he wants

[Sarah Beach]

But artists that make money, are artists that can prove that not only can they draw, they can also tell a story (you wouldn't believe how many portfolio reviews have AWESOME wolverine pin ups in them, only to find their sequential style is non existant)

A couple of years ago, I watched the Shooting Star guys doing portfolio reviews, and realized how true this statement is! Lots of cool looking pin-ups, but very little on pages telling a story of any kind.

That was one reason why I put my spec Batman script on my site. Even though the editors passed on it, those who have read it (okay, yeah, they're friends) have enjoyed it. It's a little out of date with current continuity, but it was fun to write. And I got to thinking -- most aspiring comic artists aren't writers. In looking for something to give them real sequential storytelling, I suppose a lot look up old scripts by writers - even though those scripts have already been visualized by someone else. So why not offer a script no one has drawn?

Yeah, ego on my part - I do think it's a good script. But when editors are looking not just for the pin-ups or the great action splashes, but the "quieter" character interactions.... Anyway. I don't know how many artists are going to take advantage of it. I do know the webpage got hits after I posted a ComicSpace bulletin about it.

Sorry.... thinking about the matter too much lately. Back to topic: it's very easy to get enticed by the "You'll get CREDIT" offering. After all, building credits and reputation is also important in all facets of the entertainment businesses. You are your own brand name, after all. But really, I think it's crappy to not even try to offer at least a token payment (assuming the writer or such doesn't have much budget either).

And at least some of it should be up-front.

[neko onna]

Of course not. I didn't mean to cast aspersions your way, but to the OP from craigslist. Frankly it sounded like the whiny ravings of an underemployed artist about the fact that the world does not hand him everything he wants. I hear this a lot from actors.

The point you make about paying dues is exactly what the post was saying - the OP thought people shouldn't have to do so and that everyone who says they're a writer/actor/artist should be Stephen King/Tom Hanks/Bryan Hitch the instant they declare themselves to be so.

In the circle I work in we half-jokingly say "all for the art" all the time. Usually it's a reference to someone who hurts themself on a setpiece or suffers some other kind of physical or emotional unpleasantness while working on a show.

There's an element of truth to the joke, though - if you're not going to go all out and give it everything you've got, what's the point? Being creative is hard work, and you don't always succeed. In fact, most of the time, you won't succeed, at least not in a material sense. But if material success is what you're after, maybe art isn't the best field for you.

And, in the immortal words of eminent Western philosopher Michael Jagger, "you can't always get what you want."

JLK
who always gets what he wants

my favorite Stones song..in fact I used it just today in the very same way.

And I agree about the material sense stuff..BUT...if you are going to do this for a living..you need the material sense stuff. So it kinda cuts both ways...I know for me ..whether I was doing this for a living or not I would be drawing all the time..but since I am doing it for a living it is nice to be compensated for it.

[Danny Donovan]

A couple of years ago, I watched the Shooting Star guys doing portfolio reviews, and realized how true this statement is! Lots of cool looking pin-ups, but very little on pages telling a story of any kind.

That was one reason why I put my spec Batman script on my site. Even though the editors passed on it, those who have read it (okay, yeah, they're friends) have enjoyed it. It's a little out of date with current continuity, but it was fun to write. And I got to thinking -- most aspiring comic artists aren't writers. In looking for something to give them real sequential storytelling, I suppose a lot look up old scripts by writers - even though those scripts have already been visualized by someone else. So why not offer a script no one has drawn?

Yeah, ego on my part - I do think it's a good script. But when editors are looking not just for the pin-ups or the great action splashes, but the "quieter" character interactions.... Anyway. I don't know how many artists are going to take advantage of it. I do know the webpage got hits after I posted a ComicSpace bulletin about it.

Sorry.... thinking about the matter too much lately. Back to topic: it's very easy to get enticed by the "You'll get CREDIT" offering. After all, building credits and reputation is also important in all facets of the entertainment businesses. You are your own brand name, after all. But really, I think it's crappy to not even try to offer at least a token payment (assuming the writer or such doesn't have much budget either).

And at least some of it should be up-front.

I did a Superman script for a friend of mine to work from. He's an artist that hates writing so I whipped something up for him. He really loved it a lot he said he'd buy that before he'd buy anything on sale at the time (it was LONG before Kurt came on the book... around the end of the Superman Red/Blue stuff)

I even had occasion to show it off as a guinea pig when I had a forum on the XFan site (before it was ComiXfan) and they were doing a "school" and wanted some of the forum folk to come in and do something. I posted that little "just for a friend" thing, to show how one formats a script. Got some great kudos from Tom Derenick, Dave Finch, and Robert Weinberg, which was fun. -- A lot of artists can benifit from working with writers for their portfolio pieces. Because for the most part, they ARE going to be working from someone else's script so getting used to working within the writer/editor's vision is another thing that is a must for all aspiring artists.

Being out of continuity is nothing to worry about, as it changes with the tides. No matter how much "on track" you think you are by the time you get to the convention with your Civil War pages, Marvel is already working on the next phase and CW is not relavent to their thoughts any longer.

You have to hook them with your skill, not so much the continuity. Because it's always evolving. You can do a story based on Civil War, or On Bruce Wayne Murderer, or any number of things if the work is good that's all the editor cares about! :)

I am looking forward to looking at that script Sarah! I just haven't had time. :)

[Reverend Smooth]

That is sweet!!! THanks. Just because it's gruntwork doesn't mean I don't feel compelled to give people their money's worth. ^^;;;;

A lot of artists can benifit from working with writers for their portfolio pieces. Because for the most part, they ARE going to be working from someone else's script so getting used to working within the writer/editor's vision is another thing that is a must for all aspiring artists.

I agree here, especially for people who are new to any aspect of the art business and haven't worked with clients before and who especially need to build up a portfolio!

[neko onna]

THanks. Just because it's gruntwork doesn't mean I don't feel compelled to give people their money's worth. ^^;;;;
I have the same disease and I think it has come back to bite me in the ass..LOL

[Kozemp]

Sorry.... thinking about the matter too much lately. Back to topic: it's very easy to get enticed by the "You'll get CREDIT" offering. After all, building credits and reputation is also important in all facets of the entertainment businesses. You are your own brand name, after all. But really, I think it's crappy to not even try to offer at least a token payment (assuming the writer or such doesn't have much budget either).

And at least some of it should be up-front.

Getting a credit is a token payment. Credits is how you get paid when you're starting out in entertainment (not comics so much as performance arts or writing, but to an extent). You'd be surprised how many little places DON'T even offer that, student or independent films that just have actors show up and work and then don't even give you a credit or a copy.

I can't speak for comics necessarily, but in my business:

Before paying a single person - be they actor, director, designer, anyone - before paying out a single dime in talent costs, a professional-level production in Philadelphia costs AT MINIMUM $6,000-7,000. That's before you pay a human being a single red cent for any work, that's just rent, rights, and equipment. That's for a show that runs 12 performances over three weeks and doesn't pay anyone anything.

If you pay people - and if you pay one you essentially have to pay everyone - those costs double at least. That's $15,000 (if you're lucky) for a show that will run three weeks and has essentially no chance to break even, let alone show a profit.

Very few people are able to afford the latter option (or even the former) but are so driven to do it that they offer credits (and experience, and exposure, and the opportunity to network) as payment. I am one of the incredibly lucky people who is able to do the latter (and beyond) but given the choice between pursuing a creative endeavor for just credit or sitting at home watching television, I imagine we'd all prefer to actually do the real thing.

I'm sorry, but if you've been taught that working for a credit (when you're starting out) is the same thing as working for free, you have been misled.

JLK

[Reverend Smooth]

I'm sorry, but if you've been taught that working for a credit (when you're starting out) is the same thing as working for free, you have been misled.

JLK
It's not, but I also don't think that one should take anything that comes one's way 'because at least it's a publishing credit!'. Yes, it means you've been published, but imo, the project should be of strong quality and on a quality label.

[Hybrid2]

And anyway, as it happens, "Gail" is really part of Gail's actual birth name. This is extremely common, there are many people who are known by their middle names.
.

She's realy Gailileo Galilei???

She said the Earth was turning around the Sun.
BURN HER!!

Also explain the beard.

[Ronée]

In the vein of promoting REAL small/ indie publishers and properties.. I am about to add a news/previews and even reviews to my site. Feel free to send me info u want out to roneegb@aol.

[Reverend Smooth]

In the vein of promoting REAL small/ indie publishers and properties.. I am about to add a news/previews and even reviews to my site. Feel free to send me info u want out to roneegb@aol.I will pass that on to my husband, thanks! :3

[Papergirl]

Now for a change of pace: A local small magazine publisher that I did some freelance work (ad designing, page layout & designing, some graphics design, etc.) for from early to late 2002 just sent me a $3,000 check. She claims she owes me the money, but I recall us being squared away!

I spoke with her on the phone at length, and she swears she owes me this money. I asked her if she maybe has me mixed up with someone else, but she says no. She read me what she wrote in her records on my last day working with her, and according to that, she does indeed owe me the money. But I honestly don't remember it.

Okaaaaaay. Who am I to argue?

Anyway, it took more than 4 years, and I apparently forgot all about it, but she didn't and DID pay me. :)

Oh, and she wants me to work with her again. :D

~Bev

[Danny Donovan]

CONGRATS BEV!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fantastic news!

:)

[AaronJ]

Okaaaaaay. Who am I to argue?

Anyway, it took more than 4 years, and I apparently forgot all about it, but she didn't and DID pay me. :)

Oh, and she wants me to work with her again. :D

~Bev

She's the Earth-3 (Morrison's Earth-2) version of Olney!

[Sally Sensational]

From the research dept. - We work without NDA's!

http://cgi.uticaod.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=36&topic=38

Just read that Rick worked on the Nixon presidential campaign and considers himself to be a Christian - or at least did in '03. Wasn't that when he was actively shafting Gail?

And here's a fun quote from Ol'Rick-ney himself:
"Law suits and in lots of cases lawyers willing to sue over the most mundane and ridiculous things are a great cause of social angst."

Anybody a biker? Read Rick's view of you here:
http://cgi.uticaod.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=36&topic=37

found here:
http://www.comicscommunity.com/boards/alvin/?frames=n;read=643&expand=1
Re: Your ORCA package
Alvin, I still have it. I'll mail it shortly. I had to venture to North Carolina to retrieve a couple members of my family from an uncertain future. I'm also still clearing a couple small manoey matters regarding my last convention, and as you might already be aware, much of ORCA's output financially is out-of-pocket the part of some of our senior members like myself. BUT - placing this all aside...you'll have your stuff promised shortly. I appreciate your understanding, and your forgiving nature for our (my) need for more time. I'm adding a copy of ORBITER to you as an additional because it often takes me additional time. No thanks needed. Just enjoy reading and viewing it.

- Another "family tragedy?"

Clearly Ol'Rick-ney hasn't wiped all his posts. These were ridiculously easy to find.

From 1999:
"Speaking of idiots melting down, the Comicon Gutters had a great moment over the weekend when the notorious RICK Olney posted a racist anti-Native-American diatribe and got so much shit for it he deleted it -- but not before quick-thinking Buck Futter grabbed it re-posted it on a new thread, where RICK can't get at it. Since RICK has now physically threatened other posters, posted under a variety of pseudonyms (often to back up his own arguments) and lied about it until he got caught, appears to have created a new identity for himself as a (suspiciously semi-illiterate) lawyer who's threatening to sue the people he's arguing with for "slander," and now lapsed into racist rants, he's starting to make our own little Danny Hellman look like a piker."
http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=35;t=000572;p=0


FOUND! Where Ol'Rick-ney was spending his money in '05 when he should have been paying creators:
"Then -- Marvel changed the percentage we got off our product by getting back into distributing their own products and merchandise. Our ORCA orders began shrinking, and I was placed in a position where two months of product had been advance paid by my membership ... and many refused to pay the increase. So to avoid any altercation -- because I'd come to know George Georgiade's litigious tactics when he took on "Dream Days" and "Twilight Book & Game" -- two other Syracuse retailers that didn't care for George or his way of doing business -- I paid out of my personal pocket the cost difference and saw that everyone got what they ordered at WHAT they ordered it at price wise."
http://www.cbgxtra.com/default.aspx?tabid=42&view=topic&forumid=34&postid=6519

Well, that's a mess, but it might be interesting for some of the rest you who, like me, aren't industry insiders.

I don't know which of my self-appointed tasks was worse: seeing what Ol-Rick-ney had to say for himself across the Intarweb, or giving the catbox a thorough scrubbing . . .

[Papergirl]

CONGRATS BEV!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fantastic news!

:)

Thanks, Danny! I just had to share that and show that there ARE honest small publishers out there. Olney shouldn't be allowed to ruin it for all of them! :)

~Bev

[Papergirl]

She's the Earth-3 (Morrison's Earth-2) version of Olney!
Hee! Indeed! :)

~Bev

[Kozemp]

It's not, but I also don't think that one should take anything that comes one's way 'because at least it's a publishing credit!'. Yes, it means you've been published, but imo, the project should be of strong quality and on a quality label.

No, it certainly does not mean that. And publishing of course is a different, if somewhat similar, beast. As a writer I would not take any credit that was flung my way - for any number of reasons - but beginning actors, at least, don't really have that luxury, which is where most of my experience lies.

I think the two fields are similar enough, though, that a lot of the same lessons apply to both.

However, if you SAY you're going to pay people and then don't, that makes you a scumbag. Like Rick.

JLK
not a scumbag

[wildwill]

TOTS will be out later this year for the fall horror season. You'll be able to buy it online.

Holy crap, you ACTUALLY think ANYONE is going to buy ANYTHING from you?

More delusional than half the patients at Arkham.

[Danny Donovan]

From the research dept. - We work without NDA's!

http://cgi.uticaod.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=36&topic=38

Just read that Rick worked on the Nixon presidential campaign and considers himself to be a Christian - or at least did in '03. Wasn't that when he was actively shafting Gail?

And here's a fun quote from Ol'Rick-ney himself:
"Law suits and in lots of cases lawyers willing to sue over the most mundane and ridiculous things are a great cause of social angst."

Anybody a biker? Read Rick's view of you here:
http://cgi.uticaod.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=36&topic=37

found here:
http://www.comicscommunity.com/boards/alvin/?frames=n;read=643&expand=1
Re: Your ORCA package
Alvin, I still have it. I'll mail it shortly. I had to venture to North Carolina to retrieve a couple members of my family from an uncertain future. I'm also still clearing a couple small manoey matters regarding my last convention, and as you might already be aware, much of ORCA's output financially is out-of-pocket the part of some of our senior members like myself. BUT - placing this all aside...you'll have your stuff promised shortly. I appreciate your understanding, and your forgiving nature for our (my) need for more time. I'm adding a copy of ORBITER to you as an additional because it often takes me additional time. No thanks needed. Just enjoy reading and viewing it.

- Another "family tragedy?"

Clearly Ol'Rick-ney hasn't wiped all his posts. These were ridiculously easy to find.

From 1999:
"Speaking of idiots melting down, the Comicon Gutters had a great moment over the weekend when the notorious RICK Olney posted a racist anti-Native-American diatribe and got so much shit for it he deleted it -- but not before quick-thinking Buck Futter grabbed it re-posted it on a new thread, where RICK can't get at it. Since RICK has now physically threatened other posters, posted under a variety of pseudonyms (often to back up his own arguments) and lied about it until he got caught, appears to have created a new identity for himself as a (suspiciously semi-illiterate) lawyer who's threatening to sue the people he's arguing with for "slander," and now lapsed into racist rants, he's starting to make our own little Danny Hellman look like a piker."
http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=35;t=000572;p=0


FOUND! Where Ol'Rick-ney was spending his money in '05 when he should have been paying creators:
"Then -- Marvel changed the percentage we got off our product by getting back into distributing their own products and merchandise. Our ORCA orders began shrinking, and I was placed in a position where two months of product had been advance paid by my membership ... and many refused to pay the increase. So to avoid any altercation -- because I'd come to know George Georgiade's litigious tactics when he took on "Dream Days" and "Twilight Book & Game" -- two other Syracuse retailers that didn't care for George or his way of doing business -- I paid out of my personal pocket the cost difference and saw that everyone got what they ordered at WHAT they ordered it at price wise."
http://www.cbgxtra.com/default.aspx?tabid=42&view=topic&forumid=34&postid=6519

Well, that's a mess, but it might be interesting for some of the rest you who, like me, aren't industry insiders.

I don't know which of my self-appointed tasks was worse: seeing what Ol-Rick-ney had to say for himself across the Intarweb, or giving the catbox a thorough scrubbing . . .


Don't be so quick to judge ol'Rick, he was dropped on his head when he was young... I mean for a whole day :D

Just goes to show you as much as I wish and hope for a light to come on and the right things to be done, you just can't change some people's programming.


Bev, you're right! There are some good eggs out there. Don't let the Olney mess sour you on small press publishers. I actually did for awhile going through a very cynical phase until I met some really awesome people, and I realized there are a lot of folks in this here biz that just want to produce comics, not blow themselves up to be the center of attention by making big proises they can't cover.

[Sarah Beach]

Now for a change of pace: A local small magazine publisher that I did some freelance work (ad designing, page layout & designing, some graphics design, etc.) for from early to late 2002 just sent me a $3,000 check. She claims she owes me the money, but I recall us being squared away!

I spoke with her on the phone at length, and she swears she owes me this money. I asked her if she maybe has me mixed up with someone else, but she says no. She read me what she wrote in her records on my last day working with her, and according to that, she does indeed owe me the money. But I honestly don't remember it.

Okaaaaaay. Who am I to argue?

Anyway, it took more than 4 years, and I apparently forgot all about it, but she didn't and DID pay me. :)

Oh, and she wants me to work with her again. :D

~Bev

That's so cool, Bev! Wish I had an outstand (in payment) job like that! Heh.

So.... does that mean you might come to San Diego this summer after all? ;)

[Perry Holley]

Anyway, it took more than 4 years, and I apparently forgot all about it, but she didn't and DID pay me. :)
Wow, that's great news, Bev (especially considering some of the financial stuff we were talking about last night - hopefully this will make following through on some of your plans a bit easier).

[IvanJim]

I don't know which of my self-appointed tasks was worse: seeing what Ol-Rick-ney had to say for himself across the Intarweb, or giving the catbox a thorough scrubbing . . .

While cleaning a cat box may be malodorous (depending on what you feed your cats), what you've cleaned out of it is an honest product of a working system. The other option not so much.

[Perry Holley]

Don't be so quick to judge ol'Rick, he was dropped on his head when he was young... I mean for a whole day :D
As someone who was dropped on his head as a small child, I resent being compared to Olney in this fashion...



;)

[Danny Donovan]

TOTS will be out later this year for the fall horror season. You'll be able to buy it online.

Yeahhhh, just to make it perfectly clear, I do not give you permission to use my 'shepard's lament' story I originally did for Blood Harvest. Unless you want to purchase it outright (in which case you will have to pay Gigi seperately for the artwork) But I own the rights to the story and characters... and no ownership transferred to you when it was supposedly "off to the printers"

Holy crap, you ACTUALLY think ANYONE is going to buy ANYTHING from you?

More delusional than half the patients at Arkham.

I gaurentee you he does in fact think he's going to sell a ton and make a fortune, and be seen as a driving force in comics.

Even the inmates at Arkham knew they were a little touched. :p

[Danny Donovan]

As someone who was dropped on his head as a small child, I resent being compared to Olney in this fashion...



;)

I deeply apologise to victims of childhood braindamage. :p

[AaronJ]

Holy crap, you ACTUALLY think ANYONE is going to buy ANYTHING from you?

More delusional than half the patients at Arkham.

Hey! You had better be considering Poison Ivy in the correct half there, buddy. :)

And yeah, if Rick thinks he is going to be selling comics (not I believe he actually thinks that anymore than he thinks 90% of the crap he spouts) he is in for a very rude awakening.

[Kozemp]

Yeahhhh, just to make it perfectly clear, I do not give you permission to use my 'shepard's lament' story I originally did for Blood Harvest. Unless you want to purchase it outright (in which case you will have to pay Gigi seperately for the artwork) But I own the rights to the story and characters... and no ownership transferred to you when it was supposedly "off to the printers"



I gaurentee you he does in fact think he's going to sell a ton and make a fortune, and be seen as a driving force in comics.

Even the inmates at Arkham knew they were a little touched. :p

Did the female inmates have a touch too much?

JLK
untouched

[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

Hee! Indeed! :)

~Bev

Great news! Can I hold a dollar? :rolleyes:

[Danny Donovan]

Did the female inmates have a touch too much?

JLK
untouched

Well Ivy certainly did.

Although I wouldn't complain about how much Harley touched. :-p

[Papergirl]

Bev, you're right! There are some good eggs out there. Don't let the Olney mess sour you on small press publishers. I actually did for awhile going through a very cynical phase until I met some really awesome people, and I realized there are a lot of folks in this here biz that just want to produce comics, not blow themselves up to be the center of attention by making big proises they can't cover.

Exactly! She *could* have said "Oops! You're right! I don't owe you anything afterall!" But she stuck by what she said in her letter to me, in spite of me not remembering it at all. Plus offering me more work on top of it. I'm still in a state of shock!

That's so cool, Bev! Wish I had an outstand (in payment) job like that! Heh.

So.... does that mean you might come to San Diego this summer after all? ;)

Heh! It was the very last thing I ever expected!

As for SDCCI... We'll upgrade it to a "maybe". I still need to figure out if I'm even staying in Florida, right now. If so, then there is a strong possibility of going to San Diego. If not, then it depends on what my moving expenses and such will be.

Wow, that's great news, Bev (especially considering some of the financial stuff we were talking about last night - hopefully this will make following through on some of your plans a bit easier).

The timing IS perfect, Perry. One reason I didn't argue TOO hard about it is because I could really use the money right now. Plus, the extra work is a bonus, too. I can go back to doing stuff I *like* to do! Sometimes, TPTB really do listen!

~Bev

[Danny Donovan]

As someone who was dropped on his head as a small child, I resent being compared to Olney in this fashion...



;)

On behalf of braindamaged kids everywhere, I apologise. :p

[Darediva]

Now for a change of pace: A local small magazine publisher that I did some freelance work (ad designing, page layout & designing, some graphics design, etc.) for from early to late 2002 just sent me a $3,000 check. She claims she owes me the money, but I recall us being squared away!

I spoke with her on the phone at length, and she swears she owes me this money. I asked her if she maybe has me mixed up with someone else, but she says no. She read me what she wrote in her records on my last day working with her, and according to that, she does indeed owe me the money. But I honestly don't remember it.

Okaaaaaay. Who am I to argue?

Anyway, it took more than 4 years, and I apparently forgot all about it, but she didn't and DID pay me. :)

Oh, and she wants me to work with her again. :D

~Bev

Good karma coming back your way, Bev! Congratulations!

[Papergirl]

Great news! Can I hold a dollar? :rolleyes:
Hee! "The check's in the mail!"

:p

~Bev

[Papergirl]

Good karma coming back your way, Bev! Congratulations!
Thanks! Maybe now I can afford one of your beautiful thow blankets! :)

~Bev

[wishlish]

FOUND! Where Ol'Rick-ney was spending his money in '05 when he should have been paying creators:
"Then -- Marvel changed the percentage we got off our product by getting back into distributing their own products and merchandise. Our ORCA orders began shrinking, and I was placed in a position where two months of product had been advance paid by my membership ... and many refused to pay the increase. So to avoid any altercation -- because I'd come to know George Georgiade's litigious tactics when he took on "Dream Days" and "Twilight Book & Game" -- two other Syracuse retailers that didn't care for George or his way of doing business -- I paid out of my personal pocket the cost difference and saw that everyone got what they ordered at WHAT they ordered it at price wise."
http://www.cbgxtra.com/default.aspx?tabid=42&view=topic&forumid=34&postid=6519



But he got sued by a retailer (Comixzone in Syracuse) in 2004-2005. Wonder if he really DID pay the retailers...

[Danny Donovan]

Thanks! Maybe now I can afford one of your beautiful thow blankets! :)

~Bev

That totally reminds me I so need to have Alice do something for me when I have some money to throw her way. lol.

[T Sterling]

[QUOTE=Danny Donovan;4312244]Yeahhhh, just to make it perfectly clear, I do not give you permission to use my 'shepard's lament' story I originally did for Blood Harvest. Unless you want to purchase it outright (in which case you will have to pay Gigi seperately for the artwork) But I own the rights to the story and characters... and no ownership transferred to you when it was supposedly "off to the printers"



A really good idea, here, along the lines of what Kurt Busiek suggested MUCH earlier in this thread. But an even better idea, for your own good, is to send this notice direct to Olney. Highly recommend that Mr. Busiek's earlier post be reviewed and re-posted.

Best practice - registered mail, so that proof of receipt can be easily made out.

Alternatively, but less certain,
1. fax it to a number that you can prove is Olney's (and save the fax verification report) or

2. email to Olney direct, with a read receipt option turned on (and print out and save both the email, the read receipt and any reply associated with it).

Anyone who has produced work for Olney should follow suit.

[AaronJ]

BTW, this thread is mentioned over in Rich Johnston's "Lying in the Gutters" column today.

Just FYI.

[Danny Donovan]

BTW, this thread is mentioned over in Rich Johnston's "Lying in the Gutters" column today.

Just FYI.

I've been waiting all day for that damn brit to update!

(just kidding Rich)

[T Sterling]

Another suggestion:

Get the various contributors to these books together and sell the stories to someone else. If a writer, penciler, inker, letterer and colorist all worked on something and none of you got paid, shop it around. Change any details that came from Tightlip and get paid by someone else.

He has no grounds to sue. The contract is void. For those of you who have contracts, satisfy the "Notices" section (if there even is one) by sending a registered letter saying that he's got 30 days to pay or you're selling the story elsewhere. When he doesn't pay, sell it elsewhere.

There's no need to feel held hostage -- what he doesn't pay for, he doesn't own any rights to. Basic contract law. Heck, the publicity involved in bringing together screwed creators to publish DEADBEAT COMICS would bring in a lot of readers wanting to support you guys.

kdb


Good advice, worth repeating

[Danny Donovan]

Good advice, worth repeating


Thanks to you and Kurt!

I will make sure a notice goes out sometime soon to avoid it being used, although I doubt I'll take it elsewhere as it was just a small story for an anthology and there are some other issues involved of a personal nature.

It's posted on my Myspace photos section, and when the Comicspace place starts doing 'comic hosting' I may put that and a few other things that are either out of print or whatever. ;)

But the advice is much appreciated.

BIG THANKS to Rich Johnston for plugging unscrewed!

[JTPencils]

Thanks to you and Kurt!

I will make sure a notice goes out sometime soon to avoid it being used, although I doubt I'll take it elsewhere as it was just a small story for an anthology and there are some other issues involved of a personal nature.

It's posted on my Myspace photos section, and when the Comicspace place starts doing 'comic hosting' I may put that and a few other things that are either out of print or whatever. ;)

But the advice is much appreciated.

BIG THANKS to Rich Johnston for plugging unscrewed!

I don't have Rich's LITG column bookmarked (hangs head in shame)... can you possibly link it here for a read over?

[Danny Donovan]

I don't have Rich's LITG column bookmarked (hangs head in shame)... can you possibly link it here for a read over?


Sure thing Jim

http://comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13

[AaronJ]

It right here (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13).

But it's always on the CBR front page. Each Monday afternoon is it updated.

[JTPencils]

Thanks Danny, and diana_fan.. "the thread that will not die".... I like it.

[Magneto_X]

One thing -

(took me a while to catch up as I was trapped in CoH with SK for six hours - evil genius, that woman)

Did anyone else notice and/or comment on the fact that Olney claimed not to have any memory of Eddie and THEN went on to give very specific details about what Eddie was sent when he was in ORCA? I should have noted the post numbers, I guess, but I thought it was a bit odd that he could have no memory of the person, but such exact memories of the books sent and the writers of said books.

And another -

I'm very confused as to how Olney could have come back today with the intention of answering questions and signed off without ever answering a single one. His final post claimed that he was here to apologize and answer questions, but I know for a fact that, while he was on, Matt Doc Martin asked the same questions no less than 6 times and he never responded.

What an odd little man. He genuinely frightens me.

All this can be explained. Rick's a moron.

An intelligent and sane person would have left with their tail between their legs and the only reason they would have reappeared is to actually pay the creator's the money owed.

That *might* have helped Rick's rep. But even that wouldn't be 100% risk-free. Most talent would still refuse to work for him, but he'd be able to get *some* creators. Maybe.

He doesn't even have that option anymore.

Get used to wearing either a prison uniform and a McDonald's uniform, Rick. You'll be wearing one of those for a long time.

[Sally Sensational]

Get used to wearing either a prison uniform and a McDonald's uniform, Rick. You'll be wearing one of those for a long time.

EEEEWWW - remind NEVER to eat Macdonald's if I'm in New York! Anywhere in New York, just to be on the safe side.

[Charles RB]

Anybody a biker? Read Rick's view of you here:
http://cgi.uticaod.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=36&topic=37

I now want to become a biker just to piss him off.

[sk716]

Point of order. Gail never lied about that. Working under a pseudonym is not lying, it's protecting one's privacy. It's also a well-established tradition going back hundreds of years.

A Brief History of the Pseudonym (http://www.compulsivereader.com/html/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1215)

And anyway, as it happens, "Gail" is really part of Gail's actual birth name. This is extremely common, there are many people who are known by their middle names.

People known by their middle name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_known_by_middle_name)

There's no lying going on around here, except for that one guy over there in Mohawk.

True dat! As MacQ knows, I don't use my first name at all.

Now, if I can think of a really cool pen name to put on my part of the YABS project...;)

[depizan]

EEEEWWW - remind NEVER to eat Macdonald's if I'm in New York! Anywhere in New York, just to be on the safe side.

Don't worry, I'm sure you have to understand the relationship between money and product to work there and he clearly doesn't. I'm not sure he understands the relationship between himself and reality. (And this is just what I've gotten from reading his postings here and everywhere that's been linked to here.)

Every time I wander in, I'm astounded by what he posts. He claims TightLip isn't disolved, even though more than one person has confirmed that it is. Heck, it's public record, any one posting here could call and find out for themselves. Does he not realize this? Worse, the website is gone and My Space for it is friends only. (Which is just bizarre.)

He claims the MMC for this year (which is somehow #7...new math?) is on, but the con's website lists last year's would-be guests. Does he think they'll try again? Or is he now using a different meaning of the word "con."

He claims that ORCA hasn't been disbanded, but the websites suggest otherwise. One is clearly old and abandoned, but the "new" one dates from last February and is still "coming soon."

He claims he's still going to have "Tales of the Spooky" out this year, but he doesn't own the work, having not paid for it, and it seems unlikely that he could gather the money to have it printed on demand by any POD publisher. Unless he's going to print it on his computer and mail it out to people who order it from his My Space?

And those are the sanest of his claims. He doesn't even deny he owes people money. The only way he could salvage his reputation, and at this point it would be in the tiniest of ways, is if he paid everyone he owes and coherently answered all the good questions everyone's asked. Maybe he wants to be important so badly, he'll settle for being known far and wide as a lunatic con man.

[depizan]

Oh, I found some other odd ramblings of his back from the late 90s. It's on an old geocities page having something to do with ORCA. I hope this link works, I've never tried posting a link.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/7867/index.html

[AIPman1]

this is funny: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/7867/Olney.html

the Ball of Fire

Rick Olney is the founder of ORCA, the ORComx APA, the executive director of ORCA, the man who reaches out to comic fans... gee, I guess it would be easier to say what Rick is not. Oh, well just know that he's important.

[sk716]

That's so cool, Bev! Wish I had an outstand (in payment) job like that! Heh.

So.... does that mean you might come to San Diego this summer after all? ;)

Screw San Diego!!! Bev has to attend CAPE!!!

[AaronJ]

this is funny: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/7867/Olney.html

I tried reading those entries. I can't make it through them.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

this is funny: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/7867/Olney.html

Makes me want to set up a Geocities site, so that I may be perceived as an Important Do-Gooder Renaissance Man like Rick Olney.

[Sarah Beach]

Ancient Geocities post by Rick
BALL OF FIRE #1
By Rick Olney

Welcome to my imaginary world. I am the major part of TIGHT LIP Comics and you have just entered my dream.

I grew up in a traditional valued family of Mom, Dad and five sisters. Somebody up there loved me because I was allowed to be born first giving me full reign over my own bedroom, baths by myself and toys nobody else in the family dared to touch.

I loved reading comics at a very early age thanks to my Uncle Bill. He gave me my first batch of free comics. If you can imagine what it was like getting a copy of FANTASTIC FOUR #2 as part of your "batch" ... you'll understand how precious those memories are for me. As a kid, I'd beg my parents for spare change to buy comics from the corner drug store. When change wasn't there or if I "just HAD to have THAT issue" ... I'd take it. Yup, you read it here first. Rick Olney admits he stole comics as a kid. I'm not proud of that. It was a childish act and while I was never caught, I regret every single instance. it was weakness and I was raised with fairly good moral values. But then again, so were you too? Right? Well, in retrospect ... if there had been a club like ORCA back then. Maybe I wouldn't have needed to steal comics. I didn't steal THAT many. But I stole them all the same.

So... he says he's not proud of it, and yet.... That greedy impulse of just taking what he can't afford, guess he didn't really grow out of it?

Continuing from Geocities
I've been a victim at times during my life. I used to hold the door for elderly people until I got tired of being ignored or got that look that made me think it was MY JOB. I hope to share some of my comic book stories with you over the coming months in this edition of BALL OF FIRE. If I'm doing it right, over time, you'll know more about me then I truly know about myself, until putting it into printed word. If I'm REALLY GOOD at it - I'll die just in time, avoiding the ABC Movie of the Week version of my life. You are the only person that matters to me right now because you're reading this, my epitaph.

We'll skip over that latter part there - a convoluted claim of immortality. It's the first part: "I've been a victim" stuff. I mean... who really believes that their ignored courtesies actually make them victims??? "I used to hold doors open for elderly people, but they didn't thank me, so now I cut in front of them and let the door bang in their faces." My experience is that if you hold doors open for folks and smile at them, they usually thank you. You know, it's a really, really difficult task. ;)

Continuing from Geocities
I decided to call this written space BALL OF FIRE because that's what I am. Every place I've been has either felt the heat of criticism or the warmth of kindness. I don't consider myself very important in the framework of the comic book industry or fandom in general. I do think however, that I set a good example as a person. At least if I have faults, they're the kind that are specific to me as a person. Gee, ... pretty deep stuff to think about huh?

(Oh, the bold in his quotes there is my emphasis.)

Anyway.... even back then he apparently got a lot of the "heat of criticism", enough so that he thinks it's part of his standard picture of life. Or maybe that's a generous interpretation on my part. Now that I think about it, I think he's saying that he'll toast you either way - flaming you with criticism or "warming you with kindness." Heh.

What makes me laugh is that at least then, he knew he wasn't "very important in the framework of the comic book industry" (I guess he hadn't hit on the "hobby and business of sequential story telling" yet.). Unlike, you know, today, where he still isn't but doesn't seem to know it.

[DocAbsurd]

OMG, you have got to love this:

When change wasn't there or if I "just HAD to have THAT issue" ... I'd take it. Yup, you read it here first. Rick Olney admits he stole comics as a kid. I'm not proud of that. It was a childish act and while I was never caught, I regret every single instance. it was weakness and I was raised with fairly good moral values. But then again, so were you too? Right? Well, in retrospect ... if there had been a club like ORCA back then. Maybe I wouldn't have needed to steal comics. I didn't steal THAT many. But I stole them all the same.

See? The seeds of deception were planted way back in his youth. A tradition he carries on with proud defiance.

But, at least he regrets it. Surely we must find it in our hearts to forgive him his transgressions; he is but human.

Flabby and greasy, but human nonetheless.

And there's this:

I don't consider myself very important in the framework of the comic book industry or fandom in general. I do think however, that I set a good example as a person. At least if I have faults, they're the kind that are specific to me as a person.

Yeah, he sets a great example. An anti-example.

Lastly, this bit:

I've been a victim at times during my life. I used to hold the door for elderly people until I got tired of being ignored or got that look that made me think it was MY JOB.

There it is, folks, the reason behind all this:

Poor Moby Prick's been a victim all his life. He's been forced to hold open doors for the elderly or help the invalid across a busy intersection. Even worse, he was ignored; people didn't stop to bow down before him in hushed reverence as he lay his cloak across a puddle.

Y'know, I'm seeing him in a brighter light now. I realize this isn't his fault. He is Oprah's 'Prey of Society' for the week; she'll be building a school to honor him next month. And I hear Dr Phil wants to have a good cry with him on an upcoming episode.




Doc 'I'm a Victim of Soicumstance!' Absurd

[Momma Absurd]

I'm not Momma Absurd, but...

Ooooh! Dart board cover!

Thanks! :D

~Bev

I love this thank you so much!!! Now I have copies for me and Doc and our children to wipe our butts on......

(his face enlarged for full effect of course)

Thank you!!!

Momma (somethings wrong with the Angel Soft) Absurd

[Papergirl]

Screw San Diego!!! Bev has to attend CAPE!!!
Hee! But... but... People have been trying to get me to SDCC for *years*!

~Bev

[EdContradictory]

this is funny: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/7867/Olney.html

Wow. He kept it up for a whole two entries. That's... that's some dedication right there.

[DocAbsurd]

How the feck can someone pimp himself and his utter lack of scruples and production for so long over so much of the internet? It's like every single day, someone has uncovered another bit of Moby's ego that continues to scare the shyte out of each of us just a little bit more.

Worse, he's got so much out there he can't possibly cover it up or delete it. When it's all taken into the context of time, you can actually witness his ego inflating with every single post. He honestly believes he is the great white hope not just for comics, but for all of humanity. If more people acted like him, he really thinks the world would be a better place.

And he has no problem degrading you for not agreeing.

If he were a comic book villain, he'd be called 'unrealistic' by fandom.




Doc 'Get a Better Script' Absurd

[Reverend Smooth]

I've been a victim at times during my life. I used to hold the door for elderly people until I got tired of being ignored or got that look that made me think it was MY JOB.
You have no comprehension of what it's like to be a victim, you self-pitying whiner. If that's your idea of being abused, your face deserves a dictionary entry alongside the word 'pussy'.

[AIPman1]

where's our archiver? we need PDFs of these in the official record of "pattern of behavior" before they get deleted.

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Ca va tres bien.

...Meme si j'ai une migraine. Ca suce, les migraines, pis ca m'empeche de travailler sur ces maudites textures 3D.

Toi? XD

Ca Va Tres Bien merci. Je regrete mon francais es comme ci comme ca parce que Je n'ai pas a alguien parler francais.

pour une migraine, B Complex es tres bien. Ou tu prendre un vitamine C. Merci Beaucoup mon ami.

I used to be extremely good at french. In canada with the exception of alberta you have to take french classes from the fourth grade on. I caught on to it fairly well. Unless you were born speaking it, few could speak it better then me.

JP

[KevinTBrown]

I love this thank you so much!!! Now I have copies for me and Doc and our children to wipe our butts on......

(his face enlarged for full effect of course)

Thank you!!!

Momma (somethings wrong with the Angel Soft) Absurd

Yeah, but you're using ass to wipe ass.....

How can that get the job done properly??

:confused:





:evilsmile

[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

I love this thank you so much!!! Now I have copies for me and Doc and our children to wipe our butts on......

(his face enlarged for full effect of course)

Thank you!!!

Momma (somethings wrong with the Angel Soft) Absurd

My pleasure. And once more in case anyone missed it. :D

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w259/psychotronic01/orcajailbird.jpg

And so lets see....

Minorities
Women
Established Comic Writers
Fanbots
and now old people.

Is there anyone this guy doesn't like? Oh...yeah...himself.

[Reverend Smooth]

I used to be extremely good at french. In canada with the exception of alberta you have to take french classes from the fourth grade on. I caught on to it fairly well. Unless you were born speaking it, few could speak it better then me.

JPYeah. (I'm from New Brunswick.) :3 You did great!

[Momma Absurd]

In case you all were wondering.........

I am so happy that I got to meet you all through here!

No Onery this does not include you......

Momma

[Gail Simone]

My pleasure. And once more in case anyone missed it. :D

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w259/psychotronic01/orcajailbird.jpg

And so lets see....

Minorities
Women
Established Comic Writers
Fanbots
and now old people.

Is there anyone this guy doesn't like? Oh...yeah...himself.

Your email didn't get to me...can we try again?

Gailcbr@yahoo.com

THANKS!

Gail

[Reverend Smooth]

In the vein of promoting REAL small/ indie publishers and properties.. I am about to add a news/previews and even reviews to my site. Feel free to send me info u want out to roneegb@aol....I just noticed that your rotating 'the star' animation in your page has one of the tarot cards I did a while ago (http://images.quizilla.com/K/Koshari/1072669422_rotTheStar.jpg) (that someone online swiped from aeclecticism.net and posted on one of those 'which tarot card are you' memes, among a few others). XD

(...They overlaid it with text, too. And framed it. Aie.)

Not that I mind that it's there, but small world and stuff.

[Matt Doc Martin]

where's our archiver? we need PDFs of these in the official record of "pattern of behavior" before they get deleted.

I got 'em.

[Calliope's Comics]

Your recanting on the recent kill and those pictures!!! Wow! Man, that is something you'll have for a longtime as a nice memory.

orcafresh:on: Mon, December 1, 2003, 16:24:09


A couple of small points that I sort of connect with (in your story) are:

#1 - I just happen to live down the road from the one and original Remington Arms manufacturing plant. I have a couple of Remington's in my own collection...but I hope you'll forgive me not listing them by make and caliber. I'm a longtime member in the NRA and I don't tend to share that kind of info in public forums. :-X

#2 - You mentioned Roosevelt, right? President Teddy Roosevelt (while in office) made a point of taking several guided huntings trips and wildlife fishing tours up in the Adirondack Mountains. Bet you'd be surprised to learn that my great great grandfather, Nelson Chandler, was actually his guide. Yes, my great great grandfather was one of the great Adirondack guides. His daughter was my dad's grandmother. So I guess I come by my interest in hiking, fishing and hunting honestly. :)

[Calliope's Comics]

orcafresh on :Tue, December 30, 2003, 02:41:46

Thanks for the comments. I just wish more adult readers within the present day structure were not prone to fearing the thought of kids getting back into the reading of coimic books. Many of them think it would set the industry back to the reading ranks and mindsets against small press and indy comics reading of the 1950s. Some people actually hate me for what I do, strange as it sounds. And, I've had my share of bad experiences on the Internet in comics related message boards. It ain't always easy to lead by a positive example.

I'll consider what you said. ORCA's membership isn't just for younger kids. Fact is, we 'll sign on nearly anyone (over 17yrs. $15 dollars lifetime membership) regardless of their being blind, crippled, or crazy. We advocate for strengthening the younger readers plateau of titles reagrdless of the creator or publisher, and cater to our membership of eclectic readers.

[sk716]

Hee! But... but... People have been trying to get me to SDCC for *years*!

~Bev

Stick your head into the CAPE (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=158838) thread and think it over.

[Reverend Smooth]

regardless of their being blind, crippled, or crazy.
I'm the first to laugh at a gimp joke, but what does my being in a wheelchair have to do with my comic-reading ability? o.O; If you're gonna make a cripple joke, at least be funny.

[OzBat!]

orcafresh on :Tue, December 30, 2003, 02:41:46

I'll consider what you said. ORCA's membership isn't just for younger kids. Fact is, we 'll sign on nearly anyone (over 17yrs. $15 dollars lifetime membership) regardless of their being blind, crippled, or crazy. Yup, he's got crazy covered. ORCA isn't for younger kids at all, because they have to be over 17 to join! I'm just loving the logic trails here, if he wasn't such an instinctively natural nature guide, I'd be totally lost! :p

[THEDOC]

I wish I could have met Jack. He died when I was 14, always wished I could have gone to one con before I was younger.

He looked at my sketch book at a Creation con in 82 and said I had talent..I never washed my sketchbook again.

[THEDOC]

I was thinking the other day that you know, he really does guide the comic book industry.

"See that? Don't do that! NO! DON'T DO THAT! DO NOTHING LIKE OLNEY DOES! AT ALL! EVER!"

Do you think if we rub Olney's nose in some comic books and thwap him with a rolled up newspaper he will stop all this?

"Do'h, I pulled an Olney!"

[THEDOC]

Oh and if anyone notices the skies turning blood red today, and your first born children start speaking in tongues...

That's 'cause it's Jim Ritchey's birthday.

Happy Birthday ya dirty bastich. :p

Happy belated B-day Jim!

[THEDOC]

Well, in keeping with past patterns, his blogs have disappeared again.

Looks like no SPA update...sad.

Darn! I was so looking forward to that too!

[THEDOC]

That's not Wedge, Wedge has the distinction of appearing in (and surviving) all three original Star Wars movies, while not being a major character. This picture is of Porkins, who didn't.

I believe he was Luke's best friend. The actor who played Porkins also play Ekhart in Batman, a slimy, sleezy, unscroupulous...hmm kinda reminds me of someone else.

[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

Your email didn't get to me...can we try again?

Gailcbr@yahoo.com

THANKS!

Gail

Certainly. Done.

[Danny Donovan]

Hey does "Rick" have a psudonym as well? I was googling around seeing who else might have run the Unscrewed! release I may have missed, and wanted to include them on future releases.. and I found this:


http://prweb.com/releases/2006/2/prweb349868.htm

It says that the release was handed in by the Tightlip Entertainment employee:

Richard Sullivan

To my knowledge, the only "employees" in this endeavor are Rick Olney and his wife Barbara....

Maybe I'm wrong but perhaps the reason Rick is so up in arms about pen names is he's screwed his own up enough he has to use one, hence anyone who has a pen name has a reason to hide!

[DocAbsurd]

Dammit, Richard Sullivan is such a familiar name but I'll be buggered if I can place it. I think he's another small press creator that I've met once or twice in chat. Mebbe Lance or Ian can help here.

Unless I'm horribly mistaken, Richard's far more real than Moby is.

Like that's any task.




Doc 'Watson?' Absurd

[TomStillwell]

Richard Sullivan is a poster here.

[Danny Donovan]

Dammit, Richard Sullivan is such a familiar name but I'll be buggered if I can place it. I think he's another small press creator that I've met once or twice in chat. Mebbe Lance or Ian can help here.

Unless I'm horribly mistaken, Richard's far more real than Moby is.

Like that's any task.




Doc 'Watson?' Absurd


My "investigation" turned Richard Sullivan to be an actor. But there might be a small presser by that name but I doubt it is the same person that wrote that release. I think that was one of Ronee's

[THEDOC]

Dammit, Richard Sullivan is such a familiar name but I'll be buggered if I can place it. I think he's another small press creator that I've met once or twice in chat. Mebbe Lance or Ian can help here.

Unless I'm horribly mistaken, Richard's far more real than Moby is.

Like that's any task.




Doc 'Watson?' Absurd

Sorry bro, name is not familiar to me. Ian???

[TomStillwell]

One of the posts here by Richard Sullivan (of two posts) is a press release for a different company. Candlewick something or other.

[THEDOC]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/SullyPutty/4970SM-pop-up-MD.gif

Pop-up Retro Marvel Heroes
From Candlewick Press
January 05, 2007

Children's publisher Candlewick Press will release The Amazing Spider-Man Pop-up in April with three more Marvel pop-ups planned for over the next three years. The Marvel True Believers Retro Character Collection will excerpt original Marvel material from the '60s and present it in elaborate pop-up form, complete with metallic inks and slide-out character fact files.



The True Believers line is targeted to readers ages 5 and older, with 16 pages and a $24.99 cover price. An X-Men pop-up is anticipated for fall 2008.

and link:
http://www.candlewick.com/

[Blake Petit]

Well that's kinda nifty. :)

[THEDOC]

Found nothing on the site of a Richard Sullivan, just hope he sees this and will post.
But here is more on the pop-up books:

http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/9847.html

[Cam63]

Never been a wrasslin' fan, but suddenly I'm hearing in my head, "Can you smell what the Rick is oozing?"

Nope. :D

http://72.166.46.24//archive/features/99/03/18/image/GasMask.gif

[Cam63]

Now for a change of pace: A local small magazine publisher that I did some freelance work (ad designing, page layout & designing, some graphics design, etc.) for from early to late 2002 just sent me a $3,000 check. She claims she owes me the money, but I recall us being squared away!

I spoke with her on the phone at length, and she swears she owes me this money. I asked her if she maybe has me mixed up with someone else, but she says no. She read me what she wrote in her records on my last day working with her, and according to that, she does indeed owe me the money. But I honestly don't remember it.

Okaaaaaay. Who am I to argue?

Anyway, it took more than 4 years, and I apparently forgot all about it, but she didn't and DID pay me. :)

Oh, and she wants me to work with her again. :D

~Bev

*Shoots ninja off roof with flintlock pistol*

You're not leaving buccaneering... Excuse me one moment...

*Clubs ninja standing in shadows behind with pistol*

...for an honest livin'...

*Guts ninja clinging to ceiling with Bowie knife*

...are ye !?

[Cam63]

http://72.166.46.24//archive/features/99/03/18/image/GasMask.gif

Luuuuke...er, I mean Riiiiiick....

I ammm your arsekickin' faaathaaaaa...

[Ronée]

...I just noticed that your rotating 'the star' animation in your page has one of the tarot cards I did a while ago (http://images.quizilla.com/K/Koshari/1072669422_rotTheStar.jpg) (that someone online swiped from aeclecticism.net and posted on one of those 'which tarot card are you' memes, among a few others). XD

(...They overlaid it with text, too. And framed it. Aie.)

Not that I mind that it's there, but small world and stuff.where do i have that? I mean it is pretty and all but I dunno where I have that image.

[Ronée]

My "investigation" turned Richard Sullivan to be an actor. But there might be a small presser by that name but I doubt it is the same person that wrote that release. I think that was one of Ronee's
nope. that one is not mine.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Happy belated B-day Jim!

Thank You very much, Doc!

Has it occurred to anyone here that the title for Rick's column, 'Ball of Fire', could easily be taken as a euphemism for a 'short, fat man with anger management issues'?

[Ronée]

yeah Happy Birthday hun

[JamesRitcheyIII]

yeah Happy Birthday hun

Thanks, Doll!

[Reverend Smooth]

where do i have that? I mean it is pretty and all but I dunno where I have that image.
Partway down your myspace page is this rotating 'the star' gif/animation/whatever.

(It's an ok image, not great, I did that, what, eight years ago? x.x)

No big deal, I just thought it was funny.

[Paul D. Storrie]

I believe he was Luke's best friend. The actor who played Porkins also play Ekhart in Batman, a slimy, sleezy, unscroupulous...hmm kinda reminds me of someone else.

Biggs Darklighter was Luke's best friend from Tatooine. Like Wedge, he also had black hair, but he also had a thick mustache. There's a couple places where Luke and Biggs interact on Yavin's moon before they take off for the Death Star. Sadly, Biggs is one of the pilots who buys it during the attack.

PDS

[AaronJ]

Thank You very much, Doc!

Has it occurred to anyone here that the title for Rick's column, 'Ball of Fire', could easily be taken as a euphemism for a 'short, fat man with anger management issues'?

It has occurred to me now. :)

Excellent observation. I don't think Rick is that clever, but maybe it was a subconcious realization on his part.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Biggs Darklighter was Luke's best friend from Tatooine. Like Wedge, he also had black hair, but he also had a thick mustache. There's a couple places where Luke and Biggs interact on Yavin's moon before they take off for the Death Star. Sadly, Biggs is one of the pilots who buys it during the attack.

PDS

Fun Star Wars Fact Number 89!

Wein and Chaykin adapted the original screenplay for the comic book when it came out--there was stuff in the comic that was left out of the movie. There's a scene where Biggs shows up, says he's going off to join the rebels--the scene before Luke goes into dinner and starts whining to his uncle about wanting to go.

[neko onna]

you mean this one? (http://www.starwarscutscenes.com/clips/Anchorhead_2.avi)

[JTPencils]

Hey does "Rick" have a psudonym as well? I was googling around seeing who else might have run the Unscrewed! release I may have missed, and wanted to include them on future releases.. and I found this:


http://prweb.com/releases/2006/2/prweb349868.htm

It says that the release was handed in by the Tightlip Entertainment employee:

Richard Sullivan

To my knowledge, the only "employees" in this endeavor are Rick Olney and his wife Barbara....

Maybe I'm wrong but perhaps the reason Rick is so up in arms about pen names is he's screwed his own up enough he has to use one, hence anyone who has a pen name has a reason to hide!

Danny, Richard Sullivan (in regards to anything TLE) was the original PR person. I posted an email exchange between Richard and myself a few thousand pages ago on this thread... perhaps that's where the name seemed familiar from. Richard was an OK individual... and (unless loony's gotten into ID theft now) is not a sock puppet.

[heystacy]

I still have to finish them, but my self-imposed deadline is friday and I should actually be done by wednesday.

Voila, une texture presque fini. (http://hollowcomic.com/horse.jpg)

That's nice. :cool:

Some of my work study students do 3D rendering and animation. I am constantly impressed by their hard work and attention to detail. RS you are indeed smooth.

[Reverend Smooth]

That's nice. :cool:

Some of my work study students do 3D rendering and animation. I am constantly impressed by their hard work and attention to detail. RS you are indeed smooth.
Thank you!

I've just got to fix some stuff on the head now, it's a little too sharp compared to the rest of the body. Blargle.

[Sarah Beach]

Mr. James Ritchey III!

Although I have arrived at a very late point in the day, allow me to convey to you my very best wishes for you on this your natal day. May the coming year be filled with great felicity for you, many favorable professional opportunities with high remuneration, and absolutely no orca sightings on your close horizons.

In other words: HAPPY BIRTHDAY

[Danny Donovan]

Danny, Richard Sullivan (in regards to anything TLE) was the original PR person. I posted an email exchange between Richard and myself a few thousand pages ago on this thread... perhaps that's where the name seemed familiar from. Richard was an OK individual... and (unless loony's gotten into ID theft now) is not a sock puppet.

lol. I SUCK at being a detective. *pout*

Now how will I ever become The Batman?

[Papergirl]

*Shoots ninja off roof with flintlock pistol*

You're not leaving buccaneering... Excuse me one moment...

*Clubs ninja standing in shadows behind with pistol*

...for an honest livin'...

*Guts ninja clinging to ceiling with Bowie knife*

...are ye !?

Nah. An honest livin'...

*shoots a ninja sneaking up on Cam*

...ain't as much fun as that!

~Bev

[CoffeeStained]

His admission that he owes Ronee money is enough to prove a verbal contract. All she needs to show is the press releases she prepared. She did work for which he benefited. A single e-mail or letter saying “Thanks for the press release”, or “That looks great” would indicate that TightLip accepted Ronee’s work. Offer and acceptance. Consideration on the part of Ronee is the press release. Failure to provide consideration for work performed on his behalf is breach.

The fact that she did not sign specific required paperwork is not Ronees responsibility, it is the employer’s. He should not have allowed her to work for him without signing the docs because the purpose of the documents is to protect his rights, not hers. Why would she care about the NDA ? The fact that he allowed her to work on his behalf without signing them could easily be determined by the court that he waived those rights. He would have to give her extra consideration to have her sign those docs after she began work for him.
Answer me this, would this not also apply to any creators working for him? He accepted artwork. Until that NDA was signed, should he not have refused to accept it? He has, on many occasions, continued to express his intention to print te material. He has posted said artwork as promotion pieces. Has he not waived any unresolved NDA's he considers in the way of due payment?

An didja notice? If it wasn't disturbing enough, The Tightlip logo has a tongue ring.

[AIPman1]

Sorry bro, name is not familiar to me. Ian???

I don't have any Sullivan in the Dimestore members lists. It's one of those names that sounds familiar, but I can't place it...

[Cam63]

Nah. An honest livin'...

*shoots a ninja sneaking up on Cam*

...ain't as much fun as that!

~Bev

That's...

*Throat punches ninja abseiling upside down from the yardarm, turns and beer burps in another's face*

...a relief. :)

[JTPencils]

I don't have any Sullivan in the Dimestore members lists. It's one of those names that sounds familiar, but I can't place it...

Ian, Richard Sullivan (in regards to anything TLE) was the original PR person. I posted an email exchange between Richard and myself a few thousand pages ago on this thread... perhaps that's where the name seemed familiar from. Richard was an OK individual... and (unless loony's gotten into ID theft now) is not a sock puppet.

[AIPman1]

yea, got that in later posts, but thanks. No stone unturned!

[Comcman]

Answer me this, would this not also apply to any creators working for him? He accepted artwork. Until that NDA was signed, should he not have refused to accept it? He has, on many occasions, continued to express his intention to print te material. He has posted said artwork as promotion pieces. Has he not waived any unresolved NDA's he considers in the way of due payment?

An didja notice? If it wasn't disturbing enough, The Tightlip logo has a tongue ring.

It's a different thing. He claims that Ronee never worked for him. She was being a friend. Then he says he owes her $800. Contradicting himself. I was just showing that the elements of a verbal contract had been met. His excuse for not paying is that she did not sign his required paperwork that was HIS responsibility to get signed to protect HIS rights.

Most of the artists apparently signed contracts and the language in those contracts controls the situation. However, until he pays for the artwork, he cannot do anything with it. It is not his. And I cannot envision a situation where the court would award it to him for damages based on the violation of the NDA.

The NDAs really seem to be a red herring in all of this. It is designed to protect his business practices, not his feelings. As soon as the contracts were breached by his failure to pay in a timely manner, the validity of the NDA came into question. Why are the creators bound by the NDA when he is not bound by the contract? Creators stating that they have not been paid is not giving away confidential business practices, unless of course NOT paying creators is a business practice he employs. At which point fraud comes into play.

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

It's a different thing. He claims that Ronee never worked for him. She was being a friend. Then he says he owes her $800. Contradicting himself. I was just showing that the elements of a verbal contract had been met. His excuse for not paying is that she did not sign his required paperwork that was HIS responsibility to get signed to protect HIS rights.

Most of the artists apparently signed contracts and the language in those contracts controls the situation. However, until he pays for the artwork, he cannot do anything with it. It is not his. And I cannot envision a situation where the court would award it to him for damages based on the violation of the NDA.

The NDAs really seem to be a red herring in all of this. It is designed to protect his business practices, not his feelings. As soon as the contracts were breached by his failure to pay in a timely manner, the validity of the NDA came into question. Why are the creators bound by the NDA when he is not bound by the contract? Creators stating that they have not been paid is not giving away confidential business practices, unless of course NOT paying creators is a business practice he employs. At which point fraud comes into play.

The judge would laugh at him. NDAs aren't binding in this case at all. He has yet to actually pay anyone, which means he has committed a breach of contract. Which means any NDA any talent has signed would be null and void. He did not pay anyone by any time in the contract. This can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt here.

Olney will get laughed out of court. His only defense probably will involve some sort of insanity plea. It's the only way I can see him not behind bars at the end of this. As he's committed several acts of fraud...and not just to creators.

Like I said in one of my first posts, I have no idea how this man sleeps at night.

JP

[Comcman]

The judge would laugh at him. NDAs aren't binding in this case at all. He has yet to actually pay anyone, which means he has committed a breach of contract. Which means any NDA any talent has signed would be null and void. He did not pay anyone by any time in the contract. This can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt here.

Olney will get laughed out of court. His only defense probably will involve some sort of insanity plea. It's the only way I can see him not behind bars at the end of this. As he's committed several acts of fraud...and not just to creators.

Like I said in one of my first posts, I have no idea how this man sleeps at night.

JP

I agree. I tried to dialogue the courtroom scene, but there are much better writers than me on this thread.

It basically came down to "So, you are not paying them because they said you didn't pay them?" D'oh!

[Paul D. Storrie]

Fun Star Wars Fact Number 89!

Wein and Chaykin adapted the original screenplay for the comic book when it came out--there was stuff in the comic that was left out of the movie. There's a scene where Biggs shows up, says he's going off to join the rebels--the scene before Luke goes into dinner and starts whining to his uncle about wanting to go.

I've got the oversized Treasury Editions of the adaptation!

When I met Howard Chaykin at the Baltimore Comicon, I told him I'd been a fan of his since his work on Star Wars. He told me I'd had awful taste back then. So I said my taste had improved along with his artwork. We shared a grin over that.

PDS

[Danny Donovan]

Rick started his own religion? ^_^;

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/dannydonovan3/Random/theweird.jpg

I can't see the words "non-disclosure agreement" without laughing these days.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Mr. James Ritchey III!

Although I have arrived at a very late point in the day, allow me to convey to you my very best wishes for you on this your natal day. May the coming year be filled with great felicity for you, many favorable professional opportunities with high remuneration, and absolutely no orca sightings on your close horizons.

In other words: HAPPY BIRTHDAY

Thank You, Princess! Yeah, I've got a good feeling about the upcoming year.

You do know that your first name means Princess in Aramaic, right?

[Richard Sullivan]

Dammit, Richard Sullivan is such a familiar name but I'll be buggered if I can place it. I think he's another small press creator that I've met once or twice in chat. Mebbe Lance or Ian can help here.

Unless I'm horribly mistaken, Richard's far more real than Moby is.

Like that's any task.




Doc 'Watson?' Absurd

We have shared a few posts at the MMC forum when we were members. I believe that I puchased a few issues of Silver Comics from you a year or so ago.

I guess I should have had you send the books and not pay for them and then you would remember me.:)

Richard Sullivan

[JTPencils]

We have shared a few posts at the MMC forum when we were members. I believe that I puchased a few issues of Silver Comics from you a year or so ago.

I guess I should have had you send the books and not pay for them and then you would remember me.:)

Richard Sullivan


Richard, it IS one way of getting this group's attention, as you can see!! Of course, ranting like a madman after you've just apologized and demanded to be treated fairly, also works. Or you could threaten bogus litigation... oh so many way's to garner notice here...

Hey, KIT, would like to hear what you're doing these days!!

[Richard Sullivan]

Hey does "Rick" have a psudonym as well? I was googling around seeing who else might have run the Unscrewed! release I may have missed, and wanted to include them on future releases.. and I found this:


http://prweb.com/releases/2006/2/prweb349868.htm

It says that the release was handed in by the Tightlip Entertainment employee:

Richard Sullivan

To my knowledge, the only "employees" in this endeavor are Rick Olney and his wife Barbara....

Maybe I'm wrong but perhaps the reason Rick is so up in arms about pen names is he's screwed his own up enough he has to use one, hence anyone who has a pen name has a reason to hide!

The contract stated that I was not an employee of TLE. I was a sub-conractor.

Yes, I wrote that Press Release. And let the record show that I have Big Balls and admit that I am the mastermind behind "A fiery fem with a touch too much".

The details I got for what Anchor's fiery fist did were so vague I just winged it and I was too cute for my own good. So from now on please give me credit for that line and send me a quarter.

Richard Sullivan

[Danny Donovan]

The contract stated that I was not an employee of TLE. I was a sub-conractor.

Yes, I wrote that Press Release. And let the record show that I have Big Balls and admit that I am the mastermind behind "A fiery fem with a touch too much".

The details I got for what Anchor's fiery fist did were so vague I just winged it and I was too cute for my own good. So from now on please give me credit for that line and send me a quarter.

Richard Sullivan

Alright! Everyone pass the hat, Everyone of us who used that line owes the man. :) You are going to be the richest person on the thread. ;)

Also kudos for having the balls to admit to being the mind behind the line.

Hopefully not too much of a personal question, but were you financially compensated for the work you did for TLE? I'm just wondering at what point bills stopped being paid. :p

[Sarah Beach]

Thank You, Princess! Yeah, I've got a good feeling about the upcoming year.

You do know that your first name means Princess in Aramaic, right?

Yeah, one of those fun facts one learns along the way. And given that I was rather pugnatious in childhood, my mother tended to remind me that before she was named "Sarah", Abraham's wife had a name that meant "quarrelsome". (Not that it ever totally suppressed me. Heh.)

[JTPencils]

I'm just wondering at what point bills stopped being paid. :p

I'm not sending Richard a dime... cuz I had to try to visualize what that meant in the first place! (lol... j/k Richard, I'm sure it was still better then loony's explanation).

As for Danny... uh... yer assuming that bills STARTED getting paid at all...

[Typo Lad]

Yeah, one of those fun facts one learns along the way. And given that I was rather pugnatious in childhood, my mother tended to remind me that before she was named "Sarah", Abraham's wife had a name that meant "quarrelsome". (Not that it ever totally suppressed me. Heh.)
That's be "Surai".

[Sarah Beach]

Alright! Everyone pass the hat, Everyone of us who used that line owes the man. :) You are going to be the richest person on the thread. ;)

Also kudos for having the balls to admit to being the mind behind the line.

Hopefully not too much of a personal question, but were you financially compensated for the work you did for TLE? I'm just wondering at what point bills stopped being paid. :p

It's not just that, Danny! We're still looking for someone who has actually been paid for work delivered (in whatever fashion) to Olney/TightLip/Orca. Because we want to celebrate them!

[JTPencils]

It's not just that, Danny! We're still looking for someone who has actually been paid for work delivered (in whatever fashion) to Olney/TightLip/Orca. Because we want to celebrate them!

Actually Sarah, and Richard may be able to verify this or not... there was someone who was supposed to get paid for promotional clocks that nutjob had ordered up... that was actually the first "non payment" fracas that I noticed... that made me leery about this whole scenario in the first place. Again, checks' in the mail were promised... but who really can say. I wouldn't believe peanut telling us he was on FIRE if I could see the flames from my house!

[Danny Donovan]

It's not just that, Danny! We're still looking for someone who has actually been paid for work delivered (in whatever fashion) to Olney/TightLip/Orca. Because we want to celebrate them!


Yay! A celebration! with hats and ice cream and a moon bounce!

;)

I think I'll wait on putting a deposit on any of that stuff because I do believe it'll be a long wait before finding anyone of that sort. ;)

[DocAbsurd]

The contract stated that I was not an employee of TLE. I was a sub-conractor.

hmmmmmmmm

Now that's interesting. Why would you be a sub-contractor when everyone else was considered 'employees' of TLE? Did it state so in your contract, or was that more creative interpretation on Moby's behalf?

JT, do me a solid and check on your contract; see if it states you're actually an employee or just a contractor. For some odd reason this wording bothers me.

Glad to see you came through this relatively unscathed, Rich.




Doc 'Also Not an Employee' Absurd

[Gail Simone]

We have shared a few posts at the MMC forum when we were members. I believe that I puchased a few issues of Silver Comics from you a year or so ago.

I guess I should have had you send the books and not pay for them and then you would remember me.:)

Richard Sullivan

Welcome to the madness, Richard, nice to meet you.

Gail

[NatGertler]

The contract stated that I was not an employee of TLE. I was a sub-conractor.Out of curiosity, did the contract actually say "sub-contractor"? And if so, who held the contract that was being sub-contracted out to you?

(edited for a little grammar mess.)

[Gail Simone]

The contract stated that I was not an employee of TLE. I was a sub-conractor.

Yes, I wrote that Press Release. And let the record show that I have Big Balls and admit that I am the mastermind behind "A fiery fem with a touch too much".

The details I got for what Anchor's fiery fist did were so vague I just winged it and I was too cute for my own good. So from now on please give me credit for that line and send me a quarter.

Richard Sullivan

Dude.

You're a big man to admit that. ;)

Gail

[TCJohnson]

So...what exactly has Olney written by himself?

[JamesRitcheyIII]

I've got the oversized Treasury Editions of the adaptation!

When I met Howard Chaykin at the Baltimore Comicon, I told him I'd been a fan of his since his work on Star Wars. He told me I'd had awful taste back then. So I said my taste had improved along with his artwork. We shared a grin over that.

PDS

Yeah, it's generally known by aficionados that Chaykin hacked that one out.

And yeah, many a time, myself and others have honed our sarcasm on the sharpening stone of that caustic wit!

[DocAbsurd]

Actually Sarah, and Richard may be able to verify this or not... there was someone who was supposed to get paid for promotional clocks that nutjob had ordered up... that was actually the first "non payment" fracas that I noticed... that made me leery about this whole scenario in the first place.

I remember that!

You might ask Dave Rothe; part (note I said 'part') of the problem he had with Moby was that he refused to pay Dave for the logo, even after he had started plans for those clocks featuring that same logo.

He was all apeshit for the timepieces. Wish I could remember who was commissioned for those . . .




Doc 'Missing Gears' Absurd

[the4thpip]

So...what exactly has Olney written by himself?

"Bring a bag lunch, bitch."

[EdContradictory]

The details I got for what Anchor's fiery fist did were so vague I just winged it

Rich,

I need a press release for Freedom Three.

Here's who's in it:

Globe: rock guy
Eagle: flying guy
Anchor: fire chick

So get to it!

Rick

[Sarah Beach]

So...what exactly has Olney written by himself?

The former frontpage for the now vanished (or invisible) TightLip Entertainment website. (Most of which can still be found on the MMC's mySpace page. And still grossly in need of a rewrite. Well, he had his chance - I would have done it for a mere $35 before Christmas. Now? Not ever, no matter the bucks waved at me. Heh.)

[JTPencils]

JT, do me a solid and check on your contract; see if it states you're actually an employee or just a contractor. For some odd reason this wording bothers me

Doc 'Also Not an Employee' Absurd

Doc, when I return home, will do. I'm on the road presently, but when I get back on Thursday, I'll look over the contract, and see what's actually written there. It's been so long, I've tried to forget. But I do believe (for now) it said sub-contractor. I could be wrong.

[TCJohnson]

"I got a great idea for a character: Frankenborg! It practically writes herself."

He types Frankenborg into the word processor and waits, tapping his foot impatiently for Frankenborg to write herself.

".....You're against me too, aren't you?"

[Danny Donovan]

"I got a great idea for a character: Frankenborg! It practically writes herself."

He types Frankenborg into the word processor and waits, tapping his foot impatiently for Frankenborg to write herself.

".....You're against me too, aren't you?"


Tim! You have to make a cartoon of that.

Good one TCJ.

[Richard Sullivan]

[QUOTE=JTPencils;4316007]I'm not sending Richard a dime... cuz I had to try to visualize what that meant in the first place! (lol... j/k Richard, I'm sure it was still better then loony's explanation).

[QUOTE]

All ya had to do was place her fiery fem hand on Eagles crotch and take it from there. Then you would have known what "touch too much" meant. Her power works better than Viagra!

Richard Sullivan

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Whew......it took me 2 days but I finally made it thru another 80+ pages of Olney. Its a wild thing when the highlights include:



*Rick Olney thanking Gail Simone and others for making him such a name in comics. Because last I heard Wizard and Joe Quesada are running to the e-mails going " Get me that Rick Olney ! The one who has a massive 11,000 post thread on CBR ! So what if he's never written anything!"

* Olney proclaiming that Tightlip was still in business as Wishlist and Tom Stillwill have proven to be not true. As Olney and his wife dissolved the company days ago.

* Rick saying Jonah Wieland and him created Free Comics.com in some way. Which Jonah came in with a whole response of " what the fuck ? "

* A guy coming forward detailing his brief membership in Orca and getting comics he already owned. Because sending him Busiek's awesome Avengers wasn't gonna happen.


Did I miss anything people ? ;)

[JTPencils]

Rich,

I need a press release for Freedom Three.

Here's who's in it:

Globe: rock guy
Eagle: flying guy
Anchor: fire chick

So get to it!

Rick

Ed... you forgot the part "and make sure you say really nice things about the creative team, so that they feel SO pumped up... they'll forget all about getting paid for their work. I'm gonna screw them like those dates I used to... errr... claimed to... have in Okinawa. I didn't pay for it then... I ain't paying for it now... ok? Thanks... and don't tell anyone... or you'll hear from the wrath of my lawyer... Claude Raines."

[DocAbsurd]

Doc, when I return home, will do. I'm on the road presently, but when I get back on Thursday, I'll look over the contract, and see what's actually written there. It's been so long, I've tried to forget. But I do believe (for now) it said sub-contractor. I could be wrong.

Thanks, JT.

This whole sub-contracting thing gnaws at me. Why would he name the creators as 'sub-contractors'? Who exactly would be the main contractor? If the work had been contracted to, say, a studio like Tom's and then farmed out thru him, that I can almost understand.

Almost.

But unless a creator sign an exclusive contract, isn't said creator normally considered a free-lancer? The usage just doesn't make sense.

I'm willing to bet he either put that in as a loop-hole for an easy way out of paying for work, or he copied the contract verbatim from whatever source he claims not to have used.

Colleen, where are you?




Doc 'De-Sub-Contracted' Absurd

[Eugene]

One doesn't become a "sub-contractor" merely by designation of the client.

In fact, a true sub-contractor doesn't have a direct contractual relationship with the client.

[TCJohnson]

Who exactly would be the main contractor?

George Deskin who has been in a comatose state in the Morris County, NJ mentall hospital since 1978, and I am sorry but no sub-contractors will be paid until Mr. Deskin signs the NDA and submits the proper paperwork!

[JamesRitcheyIII]

That's be "Surai".

That's interesting--reminds me of the Zohar explanation of how and why Abram and Sarai's names were changed--by adding the letter 'He'--to make them Abraham and Sarah, an act of 'alchemy' performed my YHWH. Only one small group of continually extant Aramaic speakers in the world still exist, so the vowels are problematic--having never been written or implied by symbol. I'm told someone fluent in Hebrew will pick up only roughly 15% of it while spoken, the vowels are so skewed.

Not an expert--just ain't afraid of books. :D

[Typo Lad]

Vowels in Hebrew drive me nuts.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

One doesn't become a "sub-contractor" merely by designation of the client.

In fact, a true sub-contractor doesn't have a direct contractual relationship with the client.

I get the feeling that's more about Moby's insecurity and 'power issues' than anything--I'm sure just using the word 'Contractor (which is what we all are as freelancers)' would give him the heebie-jeebies. They would have to be 'Sub'-something, to make himself feel better.

[Richard Sullivan]

Richard, it IS one way of getting this group's attention, as you can see!! Of course, ranting like a madman after you've just apologized and demanded to be treated fairly, also works. Or you could threaten bogus litigation... oh so many way's to garner notice here...

Hey, KIT, would like to hear what you're doing these days!!

If that's the case, I think I'll stay unoticed.

BTW, if the KIT reference is to me...I can't place the person. Sorry. So, please tell me...It's driving me crazy and I feel bad for not remembering.

Richard Sullivan

[TomStillwell]

Thanks, JT.

This whole sub-contracting thing gnaws at me. Why would he name the creators as 'sub-contractors'? Who exactly would be the main contractor? If the work had been contracted to, say, a studio like Tom's and then farmed out thru him, that I can almost understand.

Almost.

But unless a creator sign an exclusive contract, isn't said creator normally considered a free-lancer? The usage just doesn't make sense.

I'm willing to bet he either put that in as a loop-hole for an easy way out of paying for work, or he copied the contract verbatim from whatever source he claims not to have used.

Colleen, where are you?




Doc 'De-Sub-Contracted' Absurd

That's what I'm betting on. He didn't know enough to differentiate between freelancer and sub-contractor.

Unless he considered Dave Lanphear his General Contractor. Did Dave hire the creators for Olney or did Olney find his own freelancers?

[Richard Sullivan]

Alright! Everyone pass the hat, Everyone of us who used that line owes the man. :) You are going to be the richest person on the thread. ;)

Also kudos for having the balls to admit to being the mind behind the line.

Hopefully not too much of a personal question, but were you financially compensated for the work you did for TLE? I'm just wondering at what point bills stopped being paid. :p

Do I really have to answer that question. Let's just say those quaters would come in handy. I hate to stop the 100% negative record against Rick, but he did reimburse me for my expense to run that Press Release. And if I would have known how rare a check from Rick would be, I would had it "slabbed" and auctioned it on ebay. I think it would have been graded 9.6-9.8.

Richard Sullivan

[JamesRitcheyIII]

That's what I'm betting on. He didn't know enough to differentiate between freelancer and sub-contractor.

Unless he considered Dave Lanphear his General Contractor. Did Dave hire the creators for Olney or did Olney find his own freelancers?

Does anyone have contracts with Dave Lanphear?




No?

Then he wasn't the General Contractor, and Olney was the contractee. As well-researched as his Entertainment Law expertise, I see.

[Ronée]

That's what I'm betting on. He didn't know enough to differentiate between freelancer and sub-contractor.

Unless he considered Dave Lanphear his General Contractor. Did Dave hire the creators for Olney or did Olney find his own freelancers?
his wording is a "work for hire" agreement... he worded it as contractors simply because (in my case at least) he would not have to pay any benefits or such. I will check my wording when I get home but I know that he had no real "employees".

Dave did find a good bit of the creators for Spooky, but he was not in charge of hiring and in fact, Olney got upset more than once that Dave was so worried about creators not being paid. I was told that it was not Dave's job (or mine) to worry about the financial dealings with creators and such.

[DocAbsurd]

Tim! You have to make a cartoon of that.

Y'know, there's times when a character has been sitting in your files for decades, waiting in creative gestation for the proper moment to emerge with a drive and a purpose, fully realized and immediately ready for its first public appearance.

Ever since this whole mess started back in December, one of my oldest characters -- 20 years old -- has been sticking his face into my creative thoughts, screaming, 'Use me! I'm a perfect parody!' I had planned on using him for the toy review column I'm working on for Ronee, but that line, TC, sealed it for me.

So here's Boss Moloch, the business scourge of the galaxy. This is an older sketch, but he's not changed much:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k141/DocABsurd206/Moloch2005a.jpg

He's kinda like Lex Luthor, but without the scruples. I've also decided to give him one of those socklings as a pet.

Combined with TC's skit, he's gonna be the first webstrip for the UNSCREWED! site.




Doc 'Parody Ahoy' Absurd

[Danny Donovan]

Do I really have to answer that question. Let's just say those quaters would come in handy. I hate to stop the 100% negative record against Rick, but he did reimburse me for my expense to run that Press Release. And if I would have known how rare a check from Rick would be, I would had it "slabbed" and auctioned it on ebay. I think it would have been graded 9.6-9.8.

Richard Sullivan


We have a winner! It's not much, but it's something. You sir win at life. ;)

[Samuel Catalino]

So...what exactly has Olney written by himself?


I would submit the NDA?

[Samuel Catalino]

"I got a great idea for a character: Frankenborg! It practically writes herself."

He types Frankenborg into the word processor and waits, tapping his foot impatiently for Frankenborg to write herself.

".....You're against me too, aren't you?"


2nd issue...while tapping impatiently for Fborg to write himself, he gets slapped with a piece of paper.

"You've been soived, master!" Fborg says to the fallen fat folically challenged guy.

[DocAbsurd]

Dave did find a good bit of the creators for Spooky, but he was not in charge of hiring and in fact, Olney got upset more than once that Dave was so worried about creators not being paid. I was told that it was not Dave's job (or mine) to worry about the financial dealings with creators and such.

And yet, when the brouhaha started with Mr Dixon, Moby started blaming poor Dave almost immediately (I believe it was during the second call afterwards) for the lack of communications about the exchange of monies and contracts.

Damn, he really did throw his 'crew' a cement lifejacket as soon as the ship started taking on water.




Doc 'Captain Rat' Absurd

[DocAbsurd]

I hate to stop the 100% negative record against Rick, but he did reimburse me for my expense to run that Press Release. And if I would have known how rare a check from Rick would be, I would had it "slabbed" and auctioned it on ebay. I think it would have been graded 9.6-9.8.

Rich, we have been searching for over a month for someone -- anyone -- who actually got paid for services rendered. You really are one of the special ones, and I don't mean that with any sarcasm. Well, not directed towards you . . .

If it's not too personal or against any NDA, why did you decide to drop out of the TLE endeavor?




Doc 'One in a Million' Absurd

[mike626]

And yet, when the brouhaha started with Mr Dixon, Moby started blaming poor Dave almost immediately (I believe it was during the second call afterwards) for the lack of communications about the exchange of monies and contracts.

Damn, he really did throw his 'crew' a cement lifejacket as soon as the ship started taking on water.




Doc 'Captain Rat' AbsurdWhat a jackass..:mad:

[Richard Sullivan]

Actually Sarah, and Richard may be able to verify this or not... there was someone who was supposed to get paid for promotional clocks that nutjob had ordered up... that was actually the first "non payment" fracas that I noticed... that made me leery about this whole scenario in the first place. Again, checks' in the mail were promised... but who really can say. I wouldn't believe peanut telling us he was on FIRE if I could see the flames from my house!

From what Rick told me he paid for half the order for the clocks. And received half the order of clocks. But the rest of the clocks wouldn't be shipped until Rick paid for the other half of order. And Rick didn't want to do that. He wanted the other clocks shipped first. And I think that was the dispute.

There was an other piece of merchandising being done as well. Busts being made for Monster Squad. I saw the prototype for one of the characters...But I think something held up the completion of the Busts. Hmmm...I wonder what could have held up production on those.

Richard Sullivan

[DocAbsurd]

From what Rick told me he paid for half the order for the clocks. And received half the order of clocks. But the rest of the clocks wouldn't be shipped until Rick paid for the other half of order. And Rick didn't want to do that. He wanted the other clocks shipped first. And I think that was the dispute.

There was an other piece of merchandising being done as well. Busts being made for Monster Squad. I saw the prototype for one of the characters...But I think something held up the completion of the Busts. Hmmm...I wonder what could have held up production on those.

Richard Sullivan

I believe it was Shocker Toys that was working on the sculpts. Again, lots of noise then suddenly . . . nothing.




Doc 'Monstrous Silence' Absurd

[Danny Donovan]

You know Gail, Rick is still using your photo to promote how awesome the MMC was over on his Mighty MiniCon myspace page. I'm surprised you haven't asked him to remove it, with the way he has acted toward you. I don't see why he should be allowed to make gains based on your fictitious "good time" at his show.

[colleen]

A comics industry freelancer is a personal services artist or artisan who trades the security of employment and benefits for freedom of movement, work association, and creator rights.

A sub contractor is a person who is hired by a contractor to perform a portion of the contractor's contract for a contractee. Say that three times fast.

If I were (God forbid) doing a book for TLE (the contractee, also known as The Defendant), and I (the contractor) hired an inker to do a portion of my work for me, the inker would be a subcontractor.



I am not posting as much because I am on a hideous deadline, but I continue to be amused and entertained. And horrified.

Carry on.


c

[SteveForbes]

Hello everyone. I'm new here. (Like, really new. Ultra cleanly new. Right outta the box new. Just look at the post count.)

I've been following this thread since I first saw it a couple of weeks ago in LITG, and I've basically been lurking ever since. Hell, I even tried to read this entire thing, but seemed stuck for about 90 pages. (I kept reading, and the numbers didn't go down!) So, yes, I've read all this madness except for about 90 pages- around page 500 or so.

I feel like I know you, so I thought I'd drop in and say "Hi."

Hi! :)

No, I've never brushed up against Mr. Olney. As the eic of an extremely small company myself, you have no idea as to how much it hurts me to hear what this person has done, and how some of you now wouldn't give a small fry such as myself the time of day anymore.

Then again, I'm not going around talking to creators in the hopes of getting them to do work for me that I have no intention of paying. My wife wants me to have the money we scrape up IN HAND before I even begin to think about approaching anyone to do any work.

I'm sitting on a truckload of ideas right now because of it, and this... person... has to go and make it even harder for people like me to get projects started.

And the thing that gets me most? He claims to be a Marine.

I was in the Marine Corps for eight years. (Seven of them were extremely short, and the last was extremely long.) During that time, it was drilled into me that, as a Marine, I would do nothing to dishonor myself or the Corps. This meant that I would have to be well groomed, and basically always tell the truth in my dealings with people. Values were taught to me by my father and were reinforced by the Corps, and martial arts taught me discipline, which was also reinforced by the Corps.

It seems that Mr. Olney didn't learn any of that.

I also learned this about my military experience: the military can only distill what is already there. It makes you more of what you are. Nothing more. It is the purest form of adversity (at least, during peacetime), and as long as you don't mess up too badly, you can skate on by without doing much of anything.

If Mr. Olney was a Marine, I fear this is what has happened to him. He was distilled to his essence, and the trials and tribulations that many of you have gone through is the tragic result of it.

If he was a Marine, I apologize to all of you on behalf of the Corps. If he wasn't, then he's worse than Micah Wright (at least Mr. Wright has some talent).

That's it for about now, methinks. I'm supposed to be writing the script to the next issue of Fallen Justice, and I saw a way to go about it, whereas I was stuck before.

Again, hello!

-llama

[Richard Sullivan]

hmmmmmmmm

Now that's interesting. Why would you be a sub-contractor when everyone else was considered 'employees' of TLE? Did it state so in your contract, or was that more creative interpretation on Moby's behalf?

JT, do me a solid and check on your contract; see if it states you're actually an employee or just a contractor. For some odd reason this wording bothers me.

Glad to see you came through this relatively unscathed, Rich.




Doc 'Also Not an Employee' Absurd

I wouldn't say relatively unscathed would be a proper term.

Yes, my contract stated I was a sub-contractor. I am in no way to be considered an emplyee of TLE.

Richard Sullivan

[Richard Sullivan]

Dude.

You're a big man to admit that. ;)

Gail

Thanks for the welcome, Gail. I'm just taking responsiblilty for my actions...no matter how assinine it makes me look. Besides, I don't want Rick to take credit for it.

[JTPencils]

If that's the case, I think I'll stay unoticed.

BTW, if the KIT reference is to me...I can't place the person. Sorry. So, please tell me...It's driving me crazy and I feel bad for not remembering.

Richard Sullivan

Richard, it's JT... (jim taylor)... from the defunct F3 book (or I hope it's defunct)....

[colleen]

I wouldn't say relatively unscathed would be a proper term.

Yes, my contract stated I was a sub-contractor. I am in no way to be considered an emplyee of TLE.

Richard Sullivan

If you signed a contract with TLE you weren't a subcontractor. You were a contractor.

Must be that wiz of a teen imaginary lawyer Haylie at it again!

A freelancer is never an employee. That's why they are called freelancers.

Freelance doesn't mean you work for free, it simply means that in exchange for your freedoms, you don't get employee benefits.


c

[Blake Petit]

Welcome to the tussle, Steve. Hope that you've got good luck with your company -- it certainly sounds like you're coming to it with the right attitude.

[Richard Sullivan]

Rich,

I need a press release for Freedom Three.

Here's who's in it:

Globe: rock guy
Eagle: flying guy
Anchor: fire chick

So get to it!

Rick

How did you know? It's like you have copies of Ricks posts to me in the MMC forum.

Actually, Globe is a dirt guy.

Richard Sullivan

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Hello everyone. I'm new here. (Like, really new. Ultra cleanly new. Right outta the box new. Just look at the post count.)

I've been following this thread since I first saw it a couple of weeks ago in LITG, and I've basically been lurking ever since. Hell, I even tried to read this entire thing, but seemed stuck for about 90 pages. (I kept reading, and the numbers didn't go down!) So, yes, I've read all this madness except for about 90 pages- around page 500 or so.

I feel like I know you, so I thought I'd drop in and say "Hi."

Hi! :)

No, I've never brushed up against Mr. Olney. As the eic of an extremely small company myself, you have no idea as to how much it hurts me to hear what this person has done, and how some of you now wouldn't give a small fry such as myself the time of day anymore.

Then again, I'm not going around talking to creators in the hopes of getting them to do work for me that I have no intention of paying. My wife wants me to have the money we scrape up IN HAND before I even begin to think about approaching anyone to do any work.

I'm sitting on a truckload of ideas right now because of it, and this... person... has to go and make it even harder for people like me to get projects started.

And the thing that gets me most? He claims to be a Marine.

I was in the Marine Corps for eight years. (Seven of them were extremely short, and the last was extremely long.) During that time, it was drilled into me that, as a Marine, I would do nothing to dishonor myself or the Corps. This meant that I would have to be well groomed, and basically always tell the truth in my dealings with people. Values were taught to me by my father and were reinforced by the Corps, and martial arts taught me discipline, which was also reinforced by the Corps.

It seems that Mr. Olney didn't learn any of that.

I also learned this about my military experience: the military can only distill what is already there. It makes you more of what you are. Nothing more. It is the purest form of adversity (at least, during peacetime), and as long as you don't mess up too badly, you can skate on by without doing much of anything.

If Mr. Olney was a Marine, I fear this is what has happened to him. He was distilled to his essence, and the trials and tribulations that many of you have gone through is the tragic result of it.

If he was a Marine, I apologize to all of you on behalf of the Corps. If he wasn't, then he's worse than Micah Wright (at least Mr. Wright has some talent).

That's it for about now, methinks. I'm supposed to be writing the script to the next issue of Fallen Justice, and I saw a way to go about it, whereas I was stuck before.

Again, hello!

-llama

I was never in the military myself, but two of my very best friends are former Marines, and they are both honorable human beings, through and through. I've been around them long enough to know what honor means to a Marine--it's everything. saying Rick is an exception to the rule is an understatement. He told me once he was in the NSA for a while--no telling what methods were used to 'debrief' him at the end of that period of employment, if true.

[JTPencils]

He told me once he was in the NSA for a while--no telling what methods were used to 'debrief' him at the end of that period of employment, if true.

But in Rick's case... wouldn't that stand for "nutjobs stationed abroad"???

[SteveForbes]

Welcome to the tussle, Steve. Hope that you've got good luck with your company -- it certainly sounds like you're coming to it with the right attitude.

Thanks, Blake.

I don't own the company, but that's how my wife and I approached Bullet Time when it came time to make it into a reality. When I brought it to Paper Dragonz, the Kelley's took the same attitude.

Now we're doing Fallen Justice. Harold Edge (Sixgun Samurai) is doing the pencils and inks, and he's already working on issue 3 (of 7). Just knowing the amount of time it takes to get the work done and how much of a person's soul has to go into every page, I just can't image being able to get an entire issue worth of product done without anyone being paid.

And then to threaten to sue someone because they complained about not getting paid-

There are no words.

For some reason, I keep seeing Admiral James T. Kirk saying, very quietly, "Those Klingon bastards. They killed my son."

I mean, really, what do you say to such behavior?

There are no words.

-llama

[Richard Sullivan]

his wording is a "work for hire" agreement... he worded it as contractors simply because (in my case at least) he would not have to pay any benefits or such. I will check my wording when I get home but I know that he had no real "employees".

Dave did find a good bit of the creators for Spooky, but he was not in charge of hiring and in fact, Olney got upset more than once that Dave was so worried about creators not being paid. I was told that it was not Dave's job (or mine) to worry about the financial dealings with creators and such.

Yes, and that's after he asked you or Dave to smooth things over with the payment problem. And the next day he would change his mind and say they should address their concerns toward him. He flipped flopped more than John Kerry.

Richard Sullivan

[Richard Sullivan]

Rich, we have been searching for over a month for someone -- anyone -- who actually got paid for services rendered. You really are one of the special ones, and I don't mean that with any sarcasm. Well, not directed towards you . . .

If it's not too personal or against any NDA, why did you decide to drop out of the TLE endeavor?




Doc 'One in a Million' Absurd

You know, I don't know if my emdeavor with TLE has ended. The only thing I have to go on is my bannishment from the MMC forum a few weeks ago.

[DocAbsurd]

No, I've never brushed up against Mr. Olney. As the eic of an extremely small company myself, you have no idea as to how much it hurts me to hear what this person has done, and how some of you now wouldn't give a small fry such as myself the time of day anymore.

Don't stress it, Steve. Believe it or not, we're not at all against small press, and I personally have no intention of going any other route for my creative endeavors. Ask the multitude of small press creators I'm doing work with right now.

You sound like you've got both solid plan and solid morals.

You're already ahead of Moby.




Doc 'Size Doesn't Matter' Absurd

[Danny Donovan]

I was never in the military myself, but two of my very best friends are former Marines, and they are both honorable human beings, through and through. I've been around them long enough to know what honor means to a Marine--it's everything. saying Rick is an exception to the rule is an understatement. He told me once he was in the NSA for a while--no telling what methods were used to 'debrief' him at the end of that period of employment, if true.

NO FREAKIN' WAY. Sorry I'm going to burst that bubble. I hung out on a spy base when I lived in the U.K. The R.A.F base Menwith Hill. a "listening station" and during my teen years I hung out with the military brats, and while not being one myself, merely enjoying the perks of family with a civil service job, I can tell you his psychological profile would have in no way allowed him to work in the NSA.

I'm surprised he was given field commision in the marines (if THAT was true) because his pathological nature would have flagged him immediately, and have pulled him from any sort of CO duty.

[Danny Donovan]

You know, I don't know if my emdeavor with TLE has ended. The only thing I have to go on is my bannishment from the MMC forum a few weeks ago.

FEW WEEKS?

So tell me what, if anything has he said about this broughaha?

Is there any indication that he admits we're owed? Or that he has any intentions of answering the charges he's been faced with?

[SteveForbes]

Thanks, Doc. I really appreciate it.

If I had any money, I'd love to do some work with you. I have a strip idea that I've been trying to get off the ground for about a year or so. Like a b/w 50's superhero parody, when men wore suits and hats at all times and women rarely wore pants.

Someday.

[Richard Sullivan]

Richard, it's JT... (jim taylor)... from the defunct F3 book (or I hope it's defunct)....

I know you're JT...I couldn't place KIT.

F3 defunct? Didn't you read my press release it is available for pre-order as of April 15, 2006 on the TLE web site. Oh wait, that's like all the PR's from TLE...null and void.

Richard Sullivan

[AIPman1]

Again, hello!

-llama

Hi Steve! Dimestore's carrying some of the books you've worked on with Cary right now! Cary's good people. Makes you good people in my book too.

[DocAbsurd]

You know, I don't know if my emdeavor with TLE has ended. The only thing I have to go on is my bannishment from the MMC forum a few weeks ago.

There you have it, folks, proof of how Moby deals with those he considers 'suspect' (which is just about everyone now):

Banishment.

Only thing you're guilty of, Rich, is association.

I was supposed to be an admin of the MMC boards, but when people's profiles were being 'hacked', I found myself locked out of the creator forums and knocked back to a moderator. Funny how that coincided with my unsigned NDA.

I'm sure he spent a busy week-end locking many many IPs out of the MMC site. Too bad he didn't put those efforts into something more worthwhile, like, say, writing fecking checks.



Doc 'Withdrawn' Absurd

[AIPman1]

Bullet Time: for sale now!

http://www.dimestoreproductions.com/component/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.flypage/product_id,930/category_id,22/manufacturer_id,0/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,149/

[JTPencils]

I know you're JT...I couldn't place KIT.

F3 defunct? Didn't you read my press release it is available for pre-order as of April 15, 2006 on the TLE web site. Oh wait, that's like all the PR's from TLE...null and void.

Richard Sullivan

Rich, ah yes, the pre-orders... "get it now while it's still in production! That's right, send cash, because when this baby's finally written, drawn, inked, lettered, and printed... it's gonna be hot hot hot baby!! And you wouldn't want to be the only one on your block who hadn't paid for it years in advance!!!"

Actually KIT was (keep in touch).

[SteveForbes]

Hi Steve! Dimestore's carrying some of the books you've worked on with Cary right now! Cary's good people. Makes you good people in my book too.

Hey Ian.

Yep, Cary's good peeples. I'm just the lowly llama that does the best a llama can to keep him in line.

Y'know, I'd like to see people's books.

There's a story in there, somewhere. The books people carry and the names in them. Small character peices, meant to make you laugh or cry, or just wistful nostalgia for the days of yore. Like music, but in book form.

Not to say it would be the most compelling reading, unless a storyline ran through it.

See, this leads me to other thoughts. Everyone's books are connected to everyone else's books, because life is nothing more than a circle, which brought me to karma, which brought me to being pagan.

I can't say that I'm Wiccan per se, but I AM pagan, and for Mr. Olney to claim to be pagan and yet go around as he's done for years and mistreat people the way he has- he HAS to know the rule of three. IF he were pagan.

There are days when my head feels like it's going to explode.

However, if it DOES explode, methinks this is a GREAT place to come for healing. (YABS CAN heal exploded heads, yes?)

[Darediva]

But in Rick's case... wouldn't that stand for "nutjobs stationed abroad"???

Picking myself up off the floor after that one, JT!

[SteveForbes]

Bullet Time: for sale now!

http://www.dimestoreproductions.com/component/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.flypage/product_id,930/category_id,22/manufacturer_id,0/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,149/


I've now got a bendis-for-luke-cage-like man-crush on Ian!

(I can say that and still be hetero, right?)

-llama

[Sarah Beach]

And yet, when the brouhaha started with Mr Dixon, Moby started blaming poor Dave almost immediately (I believe it was during the second call afterwards) for the lack of communications about the exchange of monies and contracts.

Damn, he really did throw his 'crew' a cement lifejacket as soon as the ship started taking on water.




Doc 'Captain Rat' Absurd

And Chuck was well aware that RO was trying to shift blame. And adamantly refused to play along with it, because he knew full well it was not Dave's fault. (He's totally backing Dave-as-faultless in this.) He told me so himself.

[Richard Sullivan]

Rich, ah yes, the pre-orders... "get it now while it's still in production! That's right, send cash, because when this baby's finally written, drawn, inked, lettered, and printed... it's gonna be hot hot hot baby!! And you wouldn't want to be the only one on your block who hadn't paid for it years in advance!!!"

Actually KIT was (keep in touch).
D'oh!

Speaking of pre-orders...according to The Mighty-Mini Con web page. I think in March you can pre-pay for your June 2007 MMC Tickets through PayPal. Will he refund the money if he cancels that show?

[Sarah Beach]

I was never in the military myself, but two of my very best friends are former Marines, and they are both honorable human beings, through and through. I've been around them long enough to know what honor means to a Marine--it's everything. saying Rick is an exception to the rule is an understatement. He told me once he was in the NSA for a while--no telling what methods were used to 'debrief' him at the end of that period of employment, if true.

What a hoot! I suppose this goes back to his E-4/G4 ranking mix-up too! Corporal, I'll believe (just barely). But intelligence work? Don't you actually have to have some?

"Yeah, I worked for a government intelligence agency. But they're so secret, there's no way you can verify the employment."

"Waaa Waa waa waah."

"What do you mean, I don't fit the profile! Have you looked at it lately!? I can fill in any profile!!!" <Whacks interviewer.>

[DocAbsurd]

Gotta interrupt for a second here.

For everyone who's fallen under the massive indebtedness of Olney's improprieties, please head on over to the UNSCREWED! (http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/) site and register. We need to start co-ordinating creators, auctions, webstrips, etc, as soon as possible. Especially if you've shown an interest in contributing.

Remember, it is an Olney-free zone. If you're worried about speaking out because of (chuckle) legal ramifications, the site is regularly monitored for petulant (or should that be 'flatulent') activities.

Spread the word.

Thanks, everyone.

[JTPencils]

Picking myself up off the floor after that one, JT!

Glad ya liked it Dare... I'm still trying to get into Howya's digest!

[Richard Sullivan]

FEW WEEKS?

So tell me what, if anything has he said about this broughaha?

Is there any indication that he admits we're owed? Or that he has any intentions of answering the charges he's been faced with?


He really hasn't said much after this thread started he would just post what he wrote in his Myspace blog and some political posts that I never paid attention too.

[AIPman1]

I've now got a bendis-for-luke-cage-like man-crush on Ian!

(I can say that and still be hetero, right?)

-llama

you can actually go to this page: http://www.dimestoreproductions.com/component/option,com_facileforms/Itemid,120/

and add in more details and description about the book to make the listing look better...

since we're hijacking the thread and all...

[Papergirl]

I can't say that I'm Wiccan per se, but I AM pagan, and for Mr. Olney to claim to be pagan and yet go around as he's done for years and mistreat people the way he has- he HAS to know the rule of three. IF he were pagan.

Hell, I'm not pagan or Wiccan, and yet *I* know what the rule of three is. As for Olney's claims of being pagan, I think he just uses it to sound "cool".

There are days when my head feels like it's going to explode.

However, if it DOES explode, methinks this is a GREAT place to come for healing. (YABS CAN heal exploded heads, yes?)

Yes, YABS does heal exploding heads. It can even cause heads to explode-- but only for people like Olney.

By the way, welcome! :)

~Bev

[Gail Simone]

How did you know? It's like you have copies of Ricks posts to me in the MMC forum.

Actually, Globe is a dirt guy.

Richard Sullivan

Rick wishes he could talk to Globe to find out if humanity survives.

Gail

[Papergirl]

D'oh!

Speaking of pre-orders...according to The Mighty-Mini Con web page. I think in March you can pre-pay for your June 2007 MMC Tickets through PayPal. Will he refund the money if he cancels that show?
I'm tempted to find out...

~Bev

[Reverend Smooth]

A comics industry freelancer is a personal services artist or artisan who trades the security of employment and benefits for freedom of movement, work association, and creator rights.

A sub contractor is a person who is hired by a contractor to perform a portion of the contractor's contract for a contractee. Say that three times fast.

If I were (God forbid) doing a book for TLE (the contractee, also known as The Defendant), and I (the contractor) hired an inker to do a portion of my work for me, the inker would be a subcontractor.



I am not posting as much because I am on a hideous deadline, but I continue to be amused and entertained. And horrified.

Carry on.


cIE: If I am contracted to color a comic, I will (and do) hire my girlfriend (and pay her) to flat the pages for me, because I don't like flatting. At all. And she does.

I think it applies in the case of my husband contracting Duncan and I to draw and paint Hollow, and Archaia contracting him as the creator.

Yes, my personal life is convoluted.

[Richard Sullivan]

If you signed a contract with TLE you weren't a subcontractor. You were a contractor.

Must be that wiz of a teen imaginary lawyer Haylie at it again!

A freelancer is never an employee. That's why they are called freelancers.

Freelance doesn't mean you work for free, it simply means that in exchange for your freedoms, you don't get employee benefits.


c

I guess that what happens when you cut and paste from a book. But that is how he has it.

BTW, do you know off hand if Mr. Dixon offered to write Freedom Three?

Richard Sullivan

[SteveForbes]

you can actually go to this page: http://www.dimestoreproductions.com/component/option,com_facileforms/Itemid,120/

and add in more details and description about the book to make the listing look better...

since we're hijacking the thread and all...

Done! Thanks. :)

And now, back to our regularly scheduled (Brittish pronunciation) thread.

-llama