Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[Gail Simone]

Beats a 6'9" 275-lb. flabby white behind all hollow.

Not that they both wouldn't be terrifying. Just in different ways.

kdb

Did you grow a foot, and not the kind with toes?

Gail

[NatGertler]

Who do you represent, Nat?I'm the publisher of a line called About Comics. About puts out a mix of reprints (such as Busiek&Fry's The Liberty Project, or the upcoming Schulz's Youth by Charles Schulz), books about comics (such as Panel One: Comic Book Scripts by Top Writers), books of 24 hour comics (About is the force behind 24 Hour Comics Day), and some other random items (http://www.licensablebeartm.com/?page_id=21). As such, we're generally not in the business of making big money promises to creators for new material... and not by accident. We don't want people putting a lot of effort into anything that we can't end up paying them appropriately for.

[NatGertler]

Beats a 6'9" 275-lb. flabby white behind all hollow.Well, an all-hollow behind wouldn't be that impressive.

But let's keep on topic. And what could a big ass filled with empty air possibly have to do with this thread?

[Blake Petit]

I'm the publisher of a line called About Comics. About puts out a mix of reprints (such as Busiek&Fry's The Liberty Project, or the upcoming Schulz's Youth by Charles Schulz), books about comics (such as Panel One: Comic Book Scripts by Top Writers), books of 24 hour comics (About is the force behind 24 Hour Comics Day), and some other random items (http://www.licensablebeartm.com/?page_id=21). As such, we're generally not in the business of making big money promises to creators for new material... and not by accident. We don't want people putting a lot of effort into anything that we can't end up paying them appropriately for.

You're killing me, Nat, you're killing me here! :D

[Kurt Busiek]

Did you grow a foot, and not the kind with toes?

I may be an ass, Gail, but not a 6'9" one!

kdb

[Kurt Busiek]

I'm the publisher of a line called About Comics. About puts out a mix of reprints (such as Busiek&Fry's The Liberty Project, or the upcoming Schulz's Youth by Charles Schulz), books about comics (such as Panel One: Comic Book Scripts by Top Writers), books of 24 hour comics (About is the force behind 24 Hour Comics Day), and some other random items (http://www.licensablebeartm.com/?page_id=21). As such, we're generally not in the business of making big money promises to creators for new material... and not by accident. We don't want people putting a lot of effort into anything that we can't end up paying them appropriately for.

Nat is one of those publishers that likes writing checks.

They're not always big. But they're always there.

kdb

[Lester C.]

I'm trying not to geek out, but my all time favorite artist ever, ChrisCross is posted. Chirs I love your work so much and your stuff was the only thing I kept after I threw all my comics due to a move. It's an honor to be in the same thread as you.

[Jack Zodiac]

Not just any behind, Kurt. An African-American behind.

;)

This thread, it's like a lightbulb for moths. Talented-ass moths, of course, who write and draw great comics. Chris, I just wanna' say, I love your art, Captain Marvel was one of my favorite Marvel books for a while, and I'm sorry you had to have a run-in with a schlub like Olney- but at least you didn't get dicked over like a lot of other people.

Also, from Eddie's blog:

The next letter from Olney moved beyond odd to freaky. He was very rude, calling me names again for liking Donna Barr. (Sheesh!) He didn't like my attittude. He didn't like me. I was an ingrate and a snob. Then he said he wasn’t going to drop me from the membership, instead he was going to print my letter and address in the next newsletter and encourage “the membership” to laugh at me and send me letters telling me how ridiculous I was.

All one of them? I'm a little more inflammatory than Eddie, so I probably would've egged Rick on, just to see how many seperate P.O. boxes he purchased or neighbors he bugged to send fake hate mail. Fuckin' maroon.

[Reverend Smooth]

Well, an all-hollow behind wouldn't be that impressive.

But let's keep on topic. And what could a big ass filled with empty air possibly have to do with this thread?Considering the subject upon which people have been venting their ire...

We don't want people putting a lot of effort into anything that we can't end up paying them appropriately for.
That honesty is dearly appreciated, I'm sure. :3

[the4thpip]

Well..... i have to say, i've never seen one person incur the wrath of 716 pages of dialogue.

Rick is definitely the most hated man in comics presently.

I have to say that Ronee had me on the list of artists to work with Rick.
I wound up really injuring myself and that kept me from going to his con, thank you JESUS.

That being said... i DO have contracts that i scanned into my computer and made into pdfs.
and if this knucklehead had owed me money, you get best believe at some point my six foot nine 275 lb. African American behind would do his most brilliant Suge Knight impression and i WOULD HAVE MY MONEY.

As they say in the 'hood, you don't mess with a Black Man's money. Times are hard and so is gettin' dat cheddar.

I would like to add another man's name to this list.

His name is Robert Burnette, the CEO and so called EIC of Ludivico. I did a cover for THE RED LINE. And the payment is a nice large sum. Unfortunately, he seems to be under the impression that he can put holds on checks at any time he pleases. And of course, i'm getting the typical California runaround. I don't play games and i'm not going away, Robert.

If i have to limp my behind to Cally, you can best believe when i get there, me and my crutch will not be HAPPY.

How do people think they can get away with coming to a talent's doorstep, ask them to exude their blood, sweat and tears to do something for them in a timely basis, and think that they shouldn't have to pay in that same timely basis?

This is why a lot of major talent will not work with most independent companies. This kind of crap.

I will get my money, ROBERT. YOU CAN BEST BELIEVE THAT.
SO says my crutch, your future third leg.

While we're having fanperson moments, I should say that Blood Syndicate made my early 20s a lot more enjoyable, and ChrisCross's art was a large part of that. I also still miss his Captain Marvel.

[Jack Zodiac]

I may be an ass, Gail, but not a 6'9" one!

Good. I'm sure Rick would be pissed if you stole his "biggest ass in comics" title.

Nat is one of those publishers that likes writing checks.

"One of those...?" What, you mean a real publisher? ZAM!

[Kozemp]

I defy ANYONE not to fear Sam Waterson.

That dude would strap a 12 year old in a chair.

"screw 'im. should have thought about the consequences when he commited a crime."

"But Jack! He just stole a pack of bubblegum"

"Better be the most bubblicious thing he ever tasted 'cause next thing he'll taste is 20,000 volts. zzzzzzzzzzap jr."

"You are the weirdest district attorney ever."

"Yeah, but I slept with all my assistaints. I even got the number from the black guy from season one. Not that I'm going to do anything mind you.. *ahem* a man just like his options you know..."

My friends and I are all big L&O fans, and we have a saying:

Jack McCoy will destroy you.

JLK
he WILL

[the4thpip]

Because we make things out of nothing, which allows them to convince themselves it was easy.

kdb

I actually came across the sentiment during my short non-career as a songwriter. :mad:

[JamesRitcheyIII]

I'm the publisher of a line called About Comics. About puts out a mix of reprints (such as Busiek&Fry's The Liberty Project, or the upcoming Schulz's Youth by Charles Schulz), books about comics (such as Panel One: Comic Book Scripts by Top Writers), books of 24 hour comics (About is the force behind 24 Hour Comics Day), and some other random items (http://www.licensablebeartm.com/?page_id=21). As such, we're generally not in the business of making big money promises to creators for new material... and not by accident. We don't want people putting a lot of effort into anything that we can't end up paying them appropriately for.

Oh, SHIT! I just remembered I got to draw some of Busiek's Liberty Project characters when I assisted Bo Hampton on Total Eclipse.
What a fart in the sand, to punctuate the end of a great company. Ran into Marv at Dragon Con, and his statement was "NOT my best work."

My foist prefectional commix woik, before I abandoned the idea of working in comics for almost a decade and a half.

I've always loved Jim Fry's work--had that Quasi-Steranko thang going on.

[Kurt Busiek]

The next letter from Olney moved beyond odd to freaky. He was very rude, calling me names again for liking Donna Barr. (Sheesh!) He didn't like my attittude. He didn't like me. I was an ingrate and a snob. Then he said he wasn’t going to drop me from the membership, instead he was going to print my letter and address in the next newsletter and encourage “the membership” to laugh at me and send me letters telling me how ridiculous I was.

And here we see the true power of OKRA in action.

For all that Rick likes to gas about all the benefit he's done for comics, creating new readers, what did he do here?

1. He sent free issues of ASTRO CITY to a guy who had already read them and liked them. This doesn't create new readers -- it simply means that postage has been spent making sure an existing fan has doubles.

2. He attempted to get an existing comics fan to read less, by bagging on his tastes and trash-talking a creator he didn't like.

OKRA's efforts, therefore, amounted to using OKRA resources to funnel duplicate comics to a guy who already was a comics reader, and to try to get him to stop liking certain comics. Ooh, rah.

I'm pleased, at least, that:

a. Eddie likes ASTRO CITY.

b. Eddie recouped his money by selling the duplicates.

c. The duplicates may have gotten into the hands of someone who hadn't already read them, no thanks to OKRA.

kdb

[Jack Zodiac]

I'm pleased, at least, that:

a. Eddie likes ASTRO CITY.

b. Eddie recouped his money by selling the duplicates.

c. The duplicates may have gotten into the hands of someone who hadn't already read them, no thanks to OKRA.

So, in a roundabout way, OKRA- damnit! ORCA did its job!

"Hey, what's your favorite comic?"

"Oh, definitely Busiek's Astro City! I own 'em all!"

"Cool, here's the first five issues! Welcome to ORCA!"

"The fuck?"

Didn't you just start writing Avengers in '97? He could've sent that instead. What a dumbass.

[TCJohnson]

For the record, I, personally, would not have a problem being called Alterna-boy.

[Jack Zodiac]

For the record, I, personally, would not have a problem being called Alterna-boy.

Too bad! So long as you're my Boy Wonder, you go by Sidekick Schmuck and nothin' else.

Look for Jack Zodiac & Sidekick Schmuck last, this, or next year from TightLip Entertainment!

[rummblestrips]

I hope if Eddie is reading this, he realized that he's now going to get another correspondence from Rick. Don't back down though Eddie. If he emails or phones you and makes threats, let the public know immediately!

[AaronJ]

I'm the publisher of a line called About Comics. About puts out a mix of reprints (such as Busiek&Fry's The Liberty Project, or the upcoming Schulz's Youth by Charles Schulz), books about comics (such as Panel One: Comic Book Scripts by Top Writers), books of 24 hour comics (About is the force behind 24 Hour Comics Day), and some other random items (http://www.licensablebeartm.com/?page_id=21).

That "Panel One" sounds absolutely great.

I'm gonna have to look into that. Oooh, shiny! It's at Amazon. Oh, I can't wait for this to arrive.

[Kozemp]

Note to self: never, ever piss off ChrisCross.

JLK
polishing his Captain Marvel trades

[Comcman]

More from his myspace


Saturday, January 27, 2007

MURPHY'S LAW

Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong!

I've had a few interesting emails, as of late. They're interesting because they don't assume without asking for facts or at least my opinion on all the whoopla shaken, not stirred, on the "Gail Simone" show. As such, I thought I'd answer one or two:

Chri5 wrote asking me a number of questions. And really, all I want to do is tell the other side to this story circulating around the comic book websites across the Internet to keep my legal bill down. My replies are in italics. Here is Chri5's email:

RE: Not to sound rude

This is what I had attempted to post. I'm very blunt that my impression is the facts I'm privy to paint you in a bad light. I'm wondering if you can explain my concerns. I understand of course you can't break certain confidentialities involving legal disputes.

I do thank you for your time.

You're most certainly welcome. Thank you for an opportunity to share my views with you.
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Gail's thread did turn into something of a dogpile and became more about namecalling than facts at some point. If you don't mind, I'd like to try to ask you reasonable questions to better understand your point of view.

Couple particular questions. Gail said:

"I've been told that there's a rumor, or a bit more than a rumor, that Rick is going around to people he's cheated asking them to remove their posts here and elsewhere."

Is she lying or have you in fact requested that of people? It's not clear.

Is a lie when you take facts and either stretch them or change the base of the story? What "Gail" is attempting to rumor herself are my private emails within the last 48 hours to first, Tim Eldred and second, to Val Staples. Mr. Eldred is wanting to be paid and hasn't compromised himself regarding his NDA understanding with my company, TightLip Entertainment. In order to pay Mr. Eldred, I have to attempt to re-open communication with Mr. Staples, who, after getting my email, responded with this reply:

With all due respect, the only dialogue that needs to take place is knowing when I will receive payment in full.

Now that was perfectly understandable. Mr. Staples wants to be paid. Likewise, there are certain expectations that I have. So I replied with this email:

"Likewise with all due respect, we can discuss the date and details on your payment after you've removed your posts on that message thread on CBR, and any likewise such expressives, and post an apology. Otherwise, I still intend on making as much of a legal matter where you're concerned as necessary. See... you can get paid, and I can obviously clear the matter of anyone awaiting payment still on the Tales of The Spooky #1 book... but I can't retract your words or clear up what you said. You've demeaned and libeled me. And Val, I am told by my attorney that that has taken place.
Ball to move forward is in your court, sir."

And a reply came back from Mr. Staples stating:

"I won't be removing my posts. There is no libel on my part. So good luck proving that.
You even trying that tactic proves you don't even know what libel is. I'm tired of your bluffs on having a lawyer. I already have a good idea of what will happen. I will remove my posts, and nothing will change. And I have no doubt you are trying to get other people to do the same thing just to help you try and clean up the truth online about what you have done. So, either live up to your end of the agreement, or be prepared to go to court."

Well frankly, Chri5... Mr. Staples doesn't intimidate me. And I wasn't surprised to see "Gail Simone" trot out her version of what took place between Mr. Staples and myself, on her message board -- but she didn't share THIS from Mr. Staples to me later that day:

"There is no olive branch for you to extend. If you want me to trust you, then do something trustworthy: Pay me and the people you owe debts to. That's the only way you're going to gain respect in the public's eyes. After you do that, I'll be more than happy to post a message retracting any prior statements about you.
And I will go on to give you a shining endorsement. And because I'm a man of my word, you can bank on that. But YOU have to step up to the plate first and do what is expected of you."

So I am now expecting that Mr. Staples will get a formal letter from my attorney (thought to be imaginary, I might add) outlining the contents of his email promises. And that once my attorney gets his agreement to those terms in writing, Mr. Staples will get his payment in full, along with Mr. Eldred also being paid.

You later say:

So this Mike Climek person stumbles across some substance on the Internet, and doing what most people might do, falls' prey to swallowing it all word-for-word."

You had actually accused me on my myspace blog of doing the same. But I insisted I didn't believe what others wrote about you. Just what you yourself have admitted to, which seems to include the following. Please tell me if I'm misinterpreting or misrepresenting you in any way.

a) You owe people money. You've admitted to Ronee, Tim, and everbody on TOTS.

I'm not sure if I actually "owe" Ronee anything or not. There is legally more to that matter simply because Ronee never complied to what was required to actually work under a work-for-hire agreement with my company.
I have stated that I feel obligated to pay Ronee the sum of $800 dollars, but again, everytime I try to open up communication with her regarding it ... she plays it out in drama on the "Gail Simone" message boards. I'm under no obligation to be made a bigger ploy. Ms. Bourgeois should measure her strengths and weakness areas in this matter and simply accept the offer of my attorney sending her a hold harmless release, where she'll get her monies upon returning the agreement. Ms. Bourgeois wasn't under no contractual obligation to my company and that can be proven. Ronee and I were more as personal friends from her contacting me. And, as I've stated previously -- She filled the role of a supportive friendship during my grief period that extended from July until pretty much she left. Again, it isn't that I'm not willing to compensate Ms. Bourgeois for her friendship and whatever came with it, but she'll need to be reasonable and stop playing the drama on this matter.

Several more have claimed to be owed money as well? How many of them are accurate and do you have an excuse for everybody, in that they also did not fill out the proper paperwork or some such. One or two people is understandable. But a lot of people claim to be owed money from you. Are most of them lying? How many people do you feel you actually owe money to and do you feel you have legitimate reasons for not having paid them?

I can't speak on all that has been said on the CBR "Gail Simone" Show thread. I mean, there has been a large number of libelous statements made and compounded. "Gail" herself lies regarding the matter of her 2003Mighty Mini-Con appearanace, where Organized Readers of Comics Associated paid to fly a woman identifying herself as "Gail Simone" from Portland, Oregon to upstate New York to guest appear for a one day event. Since I responded to "Gail Simone" to bring the facts, all she's done is gather her fans and fellow writer friends to partake in a massive thread to mask her ugly character traits. She's good at spinning a thread, I'll give her that. And it is a habit of hers in providing the negative element that calls her forum their home a place to rip people up by using illegal means. So the so, we'll see if the proof is in the pudding. I would think that adults would KNOW that they always had legal recourse if they felt somehow cheated. Waiting three years to piss and moan about not getting the $100 dollars worth of perks that didn't come to her because she never sent in her receipt is a tad much. I believe this has more to do with the basics of this feud starting back on Chuck Dixon's Dixonverse site, where Mr. Dixon was the first of the Tales of The Spooky #1 talents to ignore his NDA with my company. And, that when fully aware of his situation, and having "Gail Simone" posting on his message board, some understanding between them took place in making as much of a contrived mess of this all as possible appeared to confuse the matter. Likewise, that is why my legal counsel has allowed the website and message board thread to stand.

b) Rather than paying them, you would prefer to sue them for speaking about not being paid on the internet. You have the money you owe, but are spending it on lawyers instead.

Again, this isn't what people say about you. This is a direct quote from you on Gail's thread:

"I'm simply now spending more money on attorney fees versus paying those creators that my company will be filing against."

You are intending to sue people you owe money. Am I misinterpreting this in any way?

I think I've covered that.

c) you will not pay anyone until you make sure they haven't "betrayed" you

I base this on several comments along these lines:

"I have no problem paying what is owed to those individuals that have not broken their NDA's. I'm only awaiting word of those determinations."

Here you seem to be saying that because you feel certain people have broken contract, you won't pay anybody else until your lawyers look into everybody. Does this seem ethical?

Ethical? I think you need to re-read that thread. There is nothing unethical about wanting an attorney to look into amtter, sort it out, and insure that everyone is treatedfairly. Beats kangaroo vigilate tactics everytime. There has more said about me and to me that will be covered in other actions. I have the time.

[Calliope's Comics]

I think I found Rick's lawyer .



http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/232081,CST-NWS-fakex27.article

[Comcman]

and the 2nd half


d) You responded to several people in an unprofessional manner, but hurtling insults rather than keeping quiet as would have been more advisable.

Dozens of comments, such as:

"If you're a Canadian chick with a fetish for robot alien chicks go back to stripping."

I realise these were often made in response to insults directed at you. But wouldn't it have been more professional to either ignore them or politely ask that they not insult you. Also, that comment seems particularly sexist, as did several others, such as when you referred to Gail as a token.

And that sums it up -- made in response to insults directed at me. That I feel "Gail Simone" is a token is my opinion. Now, if I had a hand in motivating people to create a website and several dozen people bothered to focus entire conversations on her stories and how they had no entertaining value to the degree that her 'value' to her employer dropped, or if she had her own company and imprint, maybe was connected to a fan group of some reknown outside of the clique of the comic book entertainment industry -- that would be a legal matter.

To an outside observer, these comments reflect poorly on your character. I say this not to be mean, but to try to explain why people reading that thread could walk away with a poor impression of you.

I can illustrate my personality on the Internet. As such, people are free to think as they would. And why? Because I'm not in the business of trying to change a person's mind after they've viewed a flamewar that I didn't satrt but merely participated in. Then, when, and if the substance of what has been said is measured legally -- I'll leave bothering with trolls, plebes, and guttersnipes to someone else. I make no apologies for responding as I did to the CBR thread. There are prices that we each pay in life for making mistakes. Contrary to vicious rumor, I pay my debts. I'm capable of disliking people, but I don't 'hate' anyone. Even those that talk mean about my family, my religion, or my efforts to improve parts of my hobby and the business of the comic book entertainment industry that continually get left behind.

e) You responded to Waid's generous offer with threats to sue him

No, I merely advised Mr. Waid that his generous offer might get him personally and legally entangled. Did the word "sue" come into it? Perhaps. We live in a very litigious society, as I'm sure you're aware.

You deleted your posts. But Mark Waid made a generous offer to creators. Those creators may or may not have had legitimate greivances, but Mark Waid was clearly just on the sidelines and looking to help people out. He just saw people were owed money and was sympathetic due to experiences with Crossgen. So he made a generous offer. You responded rather rudely and suggested that he may have opened himself up to legal action.

Removing my posts isn't against forum rules, or at least it wasn't or never used to be.

Now, watching the debate between you and him, one sees somebody making a generous offer to donate money and somebody else insulting that person and speaking about lawsuits. It thus becomes easy to not take your side.

Debate? I don't believe it was a debate. My days of having a debate with anyone are far behind me. Did I inslut Mark Waid? Hmmm... I'd say re-read the thread and count and number Mr. Waid's remarks to or towards me. I have no immediate recollection of having insulted him.

f) You then went through and deleted much of what you said. This suggests to me that you realise that what I'm saying here is true and that your own words do not paint you in a positive light. Is this not your reasoning for doing so?

Because if it is, then it seems silly that you keep suggesting people are forming their opinions just by listening to Gail, when they are in fact forming them by listening to you.

Again, there were no rules that I couldn't use that message board feature. As to my motive, I'd have to review the thread posts and see what might've tripped my trigger. Again, I'm mostly harmless. People can think as they please...as long as they're not breaking any laws.

Even in your latest blog, just above, this is what I read:

Doesn't anyone know that saying such things about people crosses the line of a personal opinion and is actually illegal? Well, I guess some people will also learn a lesson the hard way. I mean, how does "Gail Simone" expect me to pay those people that are free and clear to be paid -- when she continually advises them to scorn me and have nothing to do with me?

You once again threaten to sue Gail. Which doesn't make you seem like a nice guy, whether or not you have cause to.

Well, review "Gail Simone's" posts to and about me and make your decision. I believe her to be an ugly person that keeps her fame by being a bully online. It is entertaining for some sorts of people, I guess. I don't suffer from hero worship.

A friend of mine, and contrary to ugly runmor, I still have many -- emailed me recently to say this:

Well you know, the business you are in probably does attract some nuts, not the least of which are jealous nuts. I would imagine it comes with the territory, so just because you are paranoid doesn't mean somebody isn't after you. lol.


Sums it up, I'd say.

And then you blame her for people not being paid. You don't need to talk to people to pay them. If you admit that they owe you money, then mail them a check. I don't understand how not doing that is anything but a personal choice on your part. If you think you have legitimate reasons for not paying people, then don't. But why would you blame third parties for your refusal to send a check?

Whoever is to blame, do you not agree that it is your choice and entirely your choice to not pay people?

How many people would get in THAT line, if such an option existed? My choice are my choices.
--------------------

My main point is that the above facts seem to paint you in a bad light, and this is where many people formed judgments about you. Am I misinterpreting your position with any of the above? Am I jumping to conclusions which should not be jumped to?

I once again thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

Chris Nowlin

In closing, let me thank you for the email and my opportunity to try to respond. Two sides to every story, Chris. Some of this all won't be cleared up simply because none of us live in a simple world. Like "Gail" pissing and moaning about her poor decisions from 2003. So she acts out on a message board with her fans and followers gathered around her. Two sides to every story...
Currently listening :
The Old Rugged Cross
By Jo Stafford & Gordon McCrae
Release date: By 12 July, 2001

[Kozemp]

books about comics (such as Panel One: Comic Book Scripts by Top Writers)

Hey! I have that book! It rocks, I highly recommend it.

Thanks, Nat.

JLK
books are nice

[the4thpip]

Wow, go read THIS creepy Olney story. Note the bizarre paranoia and the anti-woman comments, just like he uses here on this thread.

http://renaissancegeek.blogspot.com/2007/01/eddie-torial-anecdote-when-eddie-met.html

Mental note: Look for more Donna Barr comics. "Desert Peach" is so much fun.

[Reverend Smooth]

More from his myspace

'I have stated that I feel obligated to pay Ronee the sum of $800 dollars, but again, everytime I try to open up communication with her regarding it ... she plays it out in drama on the "Gail Simone" message boards. I'm under no obligation to be made a bigger ploy. Ms. Bourgeois should measure her strengths and weakness areas in this matter and simply accept the offer of my attorney sending her a hold harmless release, where she'll get her monies upon returning the agreement. Ms. Bourgeois wasn't under no contractual obligation to my company and that can be proven. Ronee and I were more as personal friends from her contacting me. And, as I've stated previously -- She filled the role of a supportive friendship during my grief period that extended from July until pretty much she left. Again, it isn't that I'm not willing to compensate Ms. Bourgeois for her friendship and whatever came with it, but she'll need to be reasonable and stop playing the drama on this matter.'

In order to pay Mr. Eldred, I have to attempt to re-open communication with Mr. Staples, who, after getting my email, responded with this reply:

With all due respect, the only dialogue that needs to take place is knowing when I will receive payment in full.

Now that was perfectly understandable. Mr. Staples wants to be paid. Likewise, there are certain expectations that I have. So I replied with this email:

"Likewise with all due respect, we can discuss the date and details on your payment after you've removed your posts on that message thread on CBR, and any likewise such expressives, and post an apology. Otherwise, I still intend on making as much of a legal matter where you're concerned as necessary. See... you can get paid, and I can obviously clear the matter of anyone awaiting payment still on the Tales of The Spooky #1 book... but I can't retract your words or clear up what you said. You've demeaned and libeled me. And Val, I am told by my attorney that that has taken place.
Ball to move forward is in your court, sir."

All of his maneuvering still doesn't get around the fact that he's saying that he shouldn't pay people for the work that they did because they said on messageboards that he wasn't paying for the work that they did.

This is really not improving my impression of him. It's a complete insult to the reader's intelligence.

All the convoluting in the world is not going to make a rotten argument sound.

[Blake Petit]

Beautiful.

So now Rick doesn't "owe" Ronee anything, but he feels "obliged" to pay her.

OWE: 1. to be under obligation to pay or repay: to owe money to the bank; to owe the bank interest on a mortgage.
2. to be in debt to: He says he doesn't owe anybody.
3. to be indebted (to) as the cause or source of: to owe one's fame to good fortune.
4. to have or bear (a feeling or attitude) toward someone or something: to owe gratitude to one's rescuers.

OBLIGATED: 1. to bind or oblige morally or legally: to obligate oneself to purchase a building.
2. to pledge, commit, or bind (funds, property, etc.) to meet an obligation.
–adjective 3. morally or legally bound; obliged; constrained.
4. necessary; essential.

Big difference there.

So why do you suppose Rick feels obligated? Because of the press releases she sent out on his behalf? The contact with creators who felt stiffed? The attempts to smoothe things over with the MMC fiasco? Or maybe just for the cheap pot shots he's taken at her in this thread?

[rummblestrips]

He tries so hard to make sense yet fails so miserably at it. His logic is illogical.. which is nothing new. I've really come to the conclusion that there is no way of reaching this man. He's mentally ill. What he believes to make sense makes absolutely no sense to anyone but himself. He's living in this bewildering little world and it must feel so claustrophobic right now as all his wrong doings are finally coming to light for the rest of the world to see.
I hope his wife or someone who truly cares for him begins an intervention and gets this man some proper care as he obviously can't control himself.

[Kurt Busiek]

"Sir, did you threaten to sue Mark Waid?"

"No. Flatly not. Did I? Maybe. Okay, yes. 'Threat' is such an ugly word, isn't it?"

"Why haven't you paid Tim Eldred?"

"I'd love to pay him, but Val Staples doesn't like me. Therefore I can't pay Val."

"Um. And how does this affect Tim?"

"Quit changing the subject. Uh, 'Gail Simone!'"

***

Incidentally, as long as Rick has decided to identify Tim as someone he's stiffing, let's celebrate the fact that Tim is doing sterling work for an actual publisher, Tor Books. Tim's GREASE MONKEY graphic novel is charming, involving and a ton of fun, and has just won an ALA award as one of 2007's Best Books for Young Adults.

I've read the sequel in script-and-layout form, and it's another winner.

Check out GREASE MONKEY at:

http://www.greasemonkeybook.com/

kdb

[ChrisCross]

heh.. he's just buckin' for a whoopin'..

and thanx for all the peeps who've just posted their admiration of my work

I'll be doing a lot more in the future.

as artists, we have to say to ourselves.. contracts, killfees... contracts, agreements and killfees....

[ChrisCross]

and why not like Donna Barr?

What's wrong with Donna Barr?

[Jack Zodiac]

and why not like Donna Barr?

What's wrong with Donna Barr?

"She called us fanboys!"

*drool* *slaver*

"I'm not a fanboy!"

[Gail Simone]

hahahahahaha!

Oh, my god, he's so stupid.

Yikes.

That's the funniest thing in the history of funny things.

And man, is he way off base about who sent me emails recently! ;)

Rick, you're my favorite idiot hack deadbeat moron monkey!

Gail

[Kurt Busiek]

and why not like Donna Barr?

What's wrong with Donna Barr?

She's a woman. With strong opinions. Who voices them.

Rick has enough of a problem being disagreed with, but when someone with a vagina does it, it drives him bananas. To the point where Donna doesn't even need to be aware of his existence -- he was apparently set off by a column she wrote somewhere.

I disagree with Donna about a lot of things. But STINZ rocks, so who cares?

Plus, DESERT PEACH is about a distant relative...

kdb

[Papergirl]

I hope his wife or someone who truly cares for him begins an intervention and gets this man some proper care as he obviously can't control himself.

Get outta my head, Joanne! I was just thinking that same exact thing! ;)

Seriously, someone who is close to him NEEDS to get him some help. Immediately. I do fear for the safety of anyone involved here, as this man is clearly completely off his rocker. He is obsessed, and obsessed people have a high chance of becoming dangerous.

He's made physical threats against people here already. Some blatent and some VERY thinly veiled.

Be careful, all. Please.

~Bev
Who still thinks his iKill picture was intended as a threat.

[Crowley]

I have new nickname for Rick:

Rick "The Osama Bin Laden* of Comics" Olney












*because he hides in his little cave making threats.

[EdContradictory]

Wow, go read THIS creepy Olney story. Note the bizarre paranoia and the anti-woman comments, just like he uses here on this thread.

http://renaissancegeek.blogspot.com/2007/01/eddie-torial-anecdote-when-eddie-met.html

"Hey this kid likes Astro City! I know what I'll do! I'll send him Astro City comics! Surely he doesn't have any of those already! What with him liking it and all."

[Kozemp]

Rick mentions in his latest "writing" on his blog that "there are two sides to every story."

This is the first non-lie I've heard from him.

There are two sides to every story, Rick: your side, and the truth.

And never the twain shall meet.

JLK
engaged in truthiness

[Gail Simone]

Heh. This is just full of classic Olney dimwittedness. I swear to god, I don't know if I've ever met anyone quite so stupid.

And let's not forget that he chickened out on his OH SO SCARY promise to come forward with a single untruth I've said.

You're a coward, Rick. A more gutless person I've never met.

And you're still done. Orca? Disbanded. Tighlip? Dissovled. Mighty Shitty Con? Never going to be reborn, not as long as one of the most loathed and distrusted deadbeats in the business is involved.

But you go on posting, I'm sure it's all about to come around for ya!

hahahahhaha!

Sad monkey!

:)

Gail

[EdContradictory]

But you go on posting, I'm sure it's all about to come around for ya!
He's gonna dig himself out of this hole eventually.

He better learn some Mandarin, though, it seems.

[the4thpip]

Plus, DESERT PEACH is about a distant relative...

kdb

You're related to Rommel? :confused:

[wishlish]

Blood Syndicate was my favorite Milestone book, and Captain Marvel was at one point the best looking Marvel book on the stands. Hi, ChrisCross!

(And why anyone would want to owe you money is beyond me.)

[Kozemp]

You're related to Rommel? :confused:

One of my friends once played Hermann Goering on stage. I saw the play and didn't like it much.

In Rick's world, that means I was single-handedly responsible for defeating the Nazis.

JLK
yeah... it was all me

[Gail Simone]

"Well you know, the business you are in probably does attract some nuts, not the least of which are jealous nuts. I would imagine it comes with the territory, so just because you are paranoid doesn't mean somebody isn't after you. lol"

Heh. More classic Olney.

I love that he thinks ANYONE actually wants to be a fifty-plus pasty, smelly, untalented, dimwitted, cowardly, lying hack deadbeat.

Quick, show of hands. Anyone actually WANT to be like this perpetual loser?

Gail

[Kurt Busiek]

You're related to Rommel? :confused:

From what I've been told, my maternal grandmother, Anna May Rommel Thompson, was a second cousin to Erwin Rommel. I've never actually verified this, but it's kind of cool to be distantly connected to the Desert Fox. I'm also apparently distantly related to Robert Fulton, of steamboat fame, and John T. Thompson, inventor of the submachine gun.

But if I'm a distant, distant cousin of Erwin's, then I'm therefore related to Pfirsich.

kdb

[Kozemp]

From what I've been told, my maternal grandmother, Anna May Rommel Thompson, was a second cousin to Erwin Rommel. I've never actually verified this, but it's kind of cool to be distantly connected to the Desert Fox. I'm also apparently distantly related to Robert Fulton, of steamboat fame, and John T. Thompson, inventor of the submachine gun.


kdb

Busiek, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!

By which I mean Marvels.

JLK
not related to anyone important

[ChrisCross]

She's a woman. With strong opinions. Who voices them.

Rick has enough of a problem being disagreed with, but when someone with a vagina does it, it drives him bananas. To the point where Donna doesn't even need to be aware of his existence -- he was apparently set off by a column she wrote somewhere.

I disagree with Donna about a lot of things. But STINZ rocks, so who cares?

Plus, DESERT PEACH is about a distant relative...

kdb

HE couldn't hang with the women i chill with...

They'd turn him to jelly with but a word.....

[Jack Zodiac]

HE couldn't hang with the women i chill with...

They'd turn him to jelly with but a word.....

Do you hang out with Zatanna?

"Yllej!"

[Mark Waid]

Here's a new legal question for those of you with connections to ask about:

At what point, if ever, does repeatedly, loudly, openingly threatening to sue someone (and thus, an argument could be made, causing damage to the would-be defendant's reputation) become (in and of itself) actionable?

Anyone out there have a reliable answer?

(I tried calling Mr. Olney to ask his opinion, but [oddly enough, he said, his voice bleeding sarcasm] his phone now only accepts pre-approved incoming numbers.)

[Kozemp]

HE couldn't hang with the women i chill with...

They'd turn him to jelly with but a word.....

Is Cross talking about Olney or Rommel?

Cause I think the Desert Fox could probably hack it.

JLK
please don't hurt me

[the4thpip]

From what I've been told, my maternal grandmother, Anna May Rommel Thompson, was a second cousin to Erwin Rommel. I've never actually verified this, but it's kind of cool to be distantly connected to the Desert Fox. I'm also apparently distantly related to Robert Fulton, of steamboat fame, and John T. Thompson, inventor of the submachine gun.

But if I'm a distant, distant cousin of Erwin's, then I'm therefore related to Pfirsich.

kdb

That is so cool.

Most famous person I'm related to was my great-uncle Oscar, who starred in a German circus movie before the war:

http://www.geocities.com/the4thpip/Oscar_small.jpg

[wishlish]

A quick note to Rick:

Rick, you've made it clear that you think the reason people despise you is because "Gail Simone" picked on you and started a flame war, and that "Mark Waid" made it worse by offering to financially support people to sue you.

Bull.

I love Gail's writing, and I love Mark's writing. But if I thought they were unfairly attacking you, I'd have no problem telling them that in this thread.

I strongly dislike you solely because of your actions and your words alone. You're a misogynistic, lying deadbeat. You owe tens of thousands of dollars to hard-working talent who just wanted to make your TLE dream come alive- at least until you stiffed them. No one has defended you, not on this thread or on any other thread in the entire Internet. NOT ONE HUMAN BEING.

You've paid NO ONE associated with TLE. You owe three comic stores substantial debts, and one sued you (Comixzone in Syracuse). Your MiniCon efforts are a joke. You smell badly. You roped your wife into the debts owed by TLE, even while you were telling an employee that you were trying to divorce her.

Every time you post something on the internet, you come off at best as a man in serious need of mental care. At worst, you're one of the foulest, most evil men I've ever known.

And Gail, Kurt, and Mark have absolutely nothing to do with it.

Pay your debts. And go away. Or don't pay your debts, and get sued into oblivion. I don't care. But don't blame your slimy actions on others. You are the author of your own tragedy.

[Reverend Smooth]

He's made physical threats against people here already. Some blatent and some VERY thinly veiled.

Be careful, all. Please.If his physical prowess is like his debating and his ostensible legal team, I don't think that people need to be worried.

[wishlish]

Incidentally, as long as Rick has decided to identify Tim as someone he's stiffing, let's celebrate the fact that Tim is doing sterling work for an actual publisher, Tor Books. Tim's GREASE MONKEY graphic novel is charming, involving and a ton of fun, and has just won an ALA award as one of 2007's Best Books for Young Adults.

I've read the sequel in script-and-layout form, and it's another winner.

Check out GREASE MONKEY at:

http://www.greasemonkeybook.com/

kdb

I'm seconding the recommendation for Grease Monkey. It was one of the best books I read last year.

[Kurt Busiek]

That is so cool.

Yeah, if you're gonna be related to a WWII German general, it's nice to be related to one who was never a member of the Nazi Party, who defied the Commando Order (refusing to executed captured commandos), who was praised by Churchill and who was renowned for his brilliance, chivalry and honor.

And heck, when the German army was using French civilians as slave labor, Rommel insisted that those French civilians under his command be hired willingly and paid fairly and promptly, which has it all over Olney.

kdb

[Crowley]

Did we get any proof he was EVER a Marine by the way?

[Gail Simone]

Here's a new legal question for those of you with connections to ask about:

At what point, if ever, does repeatedly, loudly, openingly threatening to sue someone (and thus, an argument could be made, causing damage to the would-be defendant's reputation) become (in and of itself) actionable?

Anyone out there have a reliable answer?

(I tried calling Mr. Olney to ask his opinion, but [oddly enough, he said, his voice bleeding sarcasm] his phone now only accepts pre-approved incoming numbers.)

Mark, you are teh awesome.

I don't know the answer to that, but I do know that when you threaten to sue people for TEN YEARS and never do it, you're kind of about as scary as a Cabbage Patch Kid with a safety helmet and mittens on.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Here's a new legal question for those of you with connections to ask about:

At what point, if ever, does repeatedly, loudly, openingly threatening to sue someone (and thus, an argument could be made, causing damage to the would-be defendant's reputation) become (in and of itself) actionable?

Anyone out there have a reliable answer?

(I tried calling Mr. Olney to ask his opinion, but [oddly enough, he said, his voice bleeding sarcasm] his phone now only accepts pre-approved incoming numbers.)

Mark, you are teh awesome.

I don't know the answer to that, but I do know that when you threaten to sue people for TEN YEARS and never do it, you're kind of about as scary as a Cabbage Patch Kid with a safety helmet and mittens on.

Gail

[Reverend Smooth]

And heck, when the German army was using French civilians as slave labor, Rommel insisted that those French civilians under his command be hired willingly and paid fairly and promptly, which has it all over Olney.

kdb

<francophone>That makes him automatically awesome. <3 </francophone>

[Kurt Busiek]

<francophone>That makes him automatically awesome. <3 </francophone>

Do you possibly mean "francophile"?

I'll admit, I know "francophone" means someone who speaks French, but it would be waaaaaay cooler if it was Commissioner Gordon's secret hotline to Generalissimo Francisco Franco, wouldn't it?

kdb

[Magneto_X]

"Well you know, the business you are in probably does attract some nuts, not the least of which are jealous nuts. I would imagine it comes with the territory, so just because you are paranoid doesn't mean somebody isn't after you. lol"

Heh. More classic Olney.

I love that he thinks ANYONE actually wants to be a fifty-plus pasty, smelly, untalented, dimwitted, cowardly, lying hack deadbeat.

Quick, show of hands. Anyone actually WANT to be like this perpetual loser?

Gail

I think he's just jealous of you, Gail.

After all you have become one of the industry's best writer's and who has the respect of hundreds, if not thousands of people who collect your work.

He must know he'd *never* have 1/10th of your success.

Plus he's a misogonist who probably thinks all women belong in the kitchen. Ugh.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Dear Rick,

You are a talentless fucktard.


Your blogs are meaningless and insipid wastes of electricity.


You could not suck more if you were powered by a black hole.

YOu call women names and make empty threats.

You are no man...and you smell funny.

Bite me, doughboy.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

From what I've been told, my maternal grandmother, Anna May Rommel Thompson, was a second cousin to Erwin Rommel. I've never actually verified this, but it's kind of cool to be distantly connected to the Desert Fox. I'm also apparently distantly related to Robert Fulton, of steamboat fame, and John T. Thompson, inventor of the submachine gun.

But if I'm a distant, distant cousin of Erwin's, then I'm therefore related to Pfirsich.

kdb

My G--Great Grandmother was George Herbert Walker's sister--the current President's maternal great-grandfather, and President of The Union Banking Corporation--who handled Fritz Thiessen's American holdings in the US, before shut down in 1941. So we're both related to Nazis. I certainly don't take pleasure in the fact that I'm related to Dubya.

At least your Nazi relative seemed a throwback--an honorable warrior...

EDIT: Sorry! Fascinating!!! Rommel wasn't a Nazi? I guess I'm the only one related to a Nazi of the two of us, then!

[Gail Simone]

Did we get any proof he was EVER a Marine by the way?

I wouldn't say proof, and a lot of his statements about it seem to be bullshit according to people who know, but I'm still loathe to dig into this area, because if he did serve his country as a Marine, I think that's one of the few, possibly the only, admirable things about him.

The funny thing is the CHRIS who asked him the questions had some pretty good comments about Olney's disgraceful behavior on his own blog.

Well done, Chris, and fairly worded, I think.

Of course his answers are bullshit, and I can prove all of it. Every single word I've said. Two years of him lying and telling me the 'check's in the mail,' was enough for me, and it was obviously never about a hundred dollars, a figure the moron himself came up with 'to make up for all the trouble.' He had the receipts for my airfare and he never even fully paid that.

I hate to say it because other, nicer, more honest people are involved, but a person would have to be an idiot to attend the Mighty Mini Con, with Rick's atrocious record of dishonesty and incompetence, which I, and many others, learned about to our regret.

Gail

[Kurt Busiek]

My G--Great Grandmother was George Herbert Walker's sister--the current President's maternal great-grandfather, and President of The Union Banking Corporation--who handled Fritz Thiessen's American holdings in the US, before shut down in 1941. So we're both related to Nazis. I certainly don't take pleasure in the fact that I'm related to Dubya.

At least your Nazi relative seemed a throwback--an honorable warrior...

Actually, Rommel wasn't a Nazi. Never joined the Party.

Sorry about that Bush thing, though...

kdb

[EdContradictory]

e) You responded to Waid's generous offer with threats to sue him

No, I merely advised Mr. Waid that his generous offer might get him personally and legally entangled. Did the word "sue" come into it? Perhaps. We live in a very litigious society, as I'm sure you're aware.
"No, I didn't threaten to sue him. What I did was threaten to sue him." :confused:

[Larry Dixon]

I was extremely careful about this breaking in, to the point of keeping my other job, a hairstyling salon, open for at least two years beyond the point where it made any financial sense. I wanted to never be at a publisher's mercy, and enough talented friends of mine had ended up in very rough financial shape by assuming the gravy train was going to last forever that I was extremely cautious. I still have my hairdresser's license and renew it faithfully, in fact.

Gail

Misty & I had around two dozen novels in print before Misty made the leap to full time writer. It took a glowing cover quote from Stephen King to back it up, too.

This is a world where things not only can go wrong, they can go colossally wrong. It takes much more than optimism to make it as a pro (and optimism is a vital element, don't get me wrong), it takes savvy, smarts, and most importantly, stability.

As I've said a gazillion times on panels & such, pros are very seldom hired for their talent. Talented people are very easy to come by. Pros get hired because of their reliability. Art directors and editors can find flakes who can produce beautiful work once or twice, everywhere. Easy. Finding people who can do consistently good work and are reliable enough to entrust your whole project's well-being to? That's tougher.

Similarly, well, as we've seen, gigs fall apart, or don't pay, or some other awful things happen. "Keep the day job" does NOT mean you can't/won't make it in the creative field you love. It just means you're smart enough to build a wide, steady foundation for that pyramid of yours.

Just my two cents (in the bank and drawing interest)

[Reverend Smooth]

Do you possibly mean "francophile"?No, I'm french-canadian. :)

I'll admit, I know "francophone" means someone who speaks French, but it would be waaaaaay cooler if it was Commissioner Gordon's secret hotline to Generalissimo Francisco Franco, wouldn't it?

*Click* "Hello?"
"...Generalissimo Francisco Franco, you arenot still dead?"
"Nope."
"What about now?"
"No..."
"Now?"
"No... Ow!"
"Now?"
"No, that was just gas."
"Oh."
"Not like it's breaking news or anything..."

[Gail Simone]

Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:03:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Rick Olney" <the_spooky2005@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Re:
To: "Gail Simone" <gail@gailsimone.com>
Gail,
Understood. I'd like to blame my difficulties regarding my communication at times on somebody else ... but I'm smarter than that. I've tried at times being friendly and open on your CBR boards forum, but get the feeling like I'm intruding so I don't bother any longer. I saw that you joined the MMC forums, but you have not exactly had a spare minute yourself lately ... so anyway, I'll complete (finally!) our matter between us and hopefully you'll think nicer of me.

Did you ever get in touch with Mike?

Gail Simone <gail@gailsimone.com> wrote:
My problem has always been communication, Rick. I'm
perfectly willing to work with you in this regard. If
you can get the thing in my hands by the end of
November (that should give you plent of time to pay
for your October con expenses, right?), then that is
acceptable to me.

Thank you for your attention on this matter.

Gail


--- Rick Olney wrote:

> Hi Gail,
> Yes, I do plan on clearing the matter shortly with
> you. It was for $100 dollars and as you can imagine
> I'm waist deep in trying to cover the various areas
> of this years MMC/Spooky ... It would be great if
> you could allow me to get that out of the way, but
> I'll understand (obviously) if you've lost your
> patience.
>
> Gail Simone wrote:
> Rick,
>
> Do you ever, EVER plan on paying the remaining
> amount
> owed on my travel expenses?
>
> I've avoided this because dealing with it simply
> wasn't worth it, but I've waited for you to take
> care
> of this, and you haven't.
>
> So, simple answer, please. Do you plan to take care
> of
> this, or not?
>
> Best,
>
> Gail
>
>
>
> Regards,
> --Rick
>
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[Reverend Smooth]

Similarly, well, as we've seen, gigs fall apart, or don't pay, or some other awful things happen. "Keep the day job" does NOT mean you can't/won't make it in the creative field you love. It just means you're smart enough to build a wide, steady foundation for that pyramid of yours.

Just my two cents (in the bank and drawing interest)
Well, the more stuff you throw at the wall, the more eventually sticks.

[Gail Simone]

I have two years of that bullshit and I can prove every bit of it.

Rick's claiming that I never brought it up since 2003 is disproven by a huge stack of lying, bullshit, "check's in the mail" emails. And again, the 100 dollars was a number HE came up with.

What a gutless deadbeat.

Gail

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Actually, Rommel wasn't a Nazi. Never joined the Party.

Sorry about that Bush thing, though...

kdb

Yeah, saw that AFTER I posted, and added an Addendum.

Tell me about it. GHW WAS the black sheep of the family, at least. Apparently absconded with some family fortune...

[Gail Simone]

"Rick Olney of TightLip Entertainment" <orcafresh@att.net> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: "Gail Simone" <gail@gailsimone.com>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 04:13:13 +0000
Gail,

So you hate me huh?
So nice to hear from you again. Allow me to respond.

First, you've not heard from me because I lost your address, and
frankly life has been more about my trying to get back to feeling good about
things I can accomplish. I had a very miserable 2004, and I'm only
trying to get back on positive ground. You would somehow make that
unimportant? Certainly, it isn't important to you. But for the sake of monies
you claim I owe you still?

I've re-read your email a number of times and frankly, it appears as if
you want to balance your visit to my area with your guest spot at the
2003 MMC and make it into something you didn't enjoy. I know that you
had a decent time. I'd love to have you back someday, but you hang this
$100 dollars over my head. What was it for again?
I'm sure we can work it out.

--
Sincerely,
--Rick

Rick Olney
TightLip Entertainment
www.mightyminicon.com
www.thespookyny.com

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Gail Simone <gail@gailsimone.com>
> I see you're planning another convention. After all
> these months of no contact from you at all, I decided
> to check your website, and was surprised to hear that
> you're once again doing this. I hope these people fare
> better than the last people who trusted your promises.
>
> You know what? Keep the remaining money you've
> promised, and I'll keep the ability to have nothing to
> do with you in the future, ever. I really would prefer
> never to hear from you again.
>
> You're the reason I no longer attend small
> conventions, Rick.
>
> Gail



I got tons of these.

Rick's a liar, a deadbeat, and frankly isn't too bright when it comes to which lies he can actually keep lying about in the face of proof to the contrary.

Gail

[Reverend Smooth]

but you hang this $100 dollars over my head. What was it for again?
I'm sure we can work it out.

Two words. Western Union.

[Gail Simone]

Two words. Western Union.

This is after he'd twice said it was in the mail.

Gail

[EdContradictory]

"Rick Olney of TightLip Entertainment"

First, you've not heard from me because I lost your address, and
frankly life has been more about my trying to get back to feeling good about
things I can accomplish. I had a very miserable 2004, and I'm only
trying to get back on positive ground. You would somehow make that
unimportant? Certainly, it isn't important to you. But for the sake of monies
you claim I owe you still?


Rick Olney: "Yeah, I owe you money... but what about me?"

[Larry Dixon]

Hey, maybe that's Rick's place in comics history. As the example of what happens to deadbeats! Just think -- he'd be good for something at last!



I saw a poster over at thinkgeek.com that features the prow of a decayed, derelict ship jutting up from the water, with a caption of "Maybe your purpose in life is to serve as an example to others."

[howyadoin]

This is after he'd twice said it was in the mail.Probably forgot to use a stamp and then sued the post office when it was returned.

[AaronJ]

Good freakin' god!

I waded through those Olney blog posts. Seriously, what is WRONG with this idiot?!

It's nothing new, necessarily. But it still shocks me all to hell. We all screw up. Not all of us are eloquent, either. And there are some of us who take a while to admit mistakes. That's what being a human being is all about. But good lord, this guy, he doesn't have a single clue that what he has said, what he has done to *actual* people is wrong.

What a little, pathetic sociopath. I guess that makes me a "troll, plebe, or guttersnipe". By the way, "Rick", if you are reading this, which I know you are, my personal favorite is "plebe". Although, I have an emotional connection to "guttersnipe" since I love "My Fair Lady". And no, you won't ruin that film for me, you little freak.

It was about 8,000+ posts and about 600+ pages ago that I think Gail said something along the lines of: "Is English his FIFTH language?" I couldn't agree more.

"The ball to move forward is in your court, sir."

Uh-huh.

*sigh*

Jesus, "Rick", just pay people the money you owe, and this would all be over.

PS: Again I see this construction: "Ms. Bourgeois wasn't under no contractual obligation to my company and that can be proven." He has used this many times. Is he intentionally trying to sound "street", or does he simply not know English? I really want to know.

[Matt Doc Martin]

No, I merely advised Mr. Waid that his generous offer might get him personally and legally entangled. Did the word "sue" come into it? Perhaps. We live in a very litigious society, as I'm sure you're aware.

One of the reasons we live in such a litigious society is because jackasses like think you can sue for any reason you feel like.

Someone said I didn't pay them when I didn't? I'll sue!

Someone said I smelled funny because my hygiene is suspect at best? I'll sue!

Just because YOU wish it was actionable does not make it so.

Which is why you have not told me what law(s) I broke...or how I broke them.

All talk, very little action, peanut.

[Reverend Smooth]

This is after he'd twice said it was in the mail.

GailOh, good lord. D:

[Reverend Smooth]

PS: Again I see this construction: "Ms. Bourgeois wasn't under no contractual obligation to my company and that can be proven." He has used this many times. Is he intentionally trying to sound "street", or does he simply not know English? I really want to know.He doesn't write like an ESL speaker (I should know, I am one). He writes like someone who has a mediocre grasp of english, who doesn't pay attention, and who keeps a thesaurus handy to try to make himself sound smart.

That aside, he shouldn't be talking smack about a Bourgeois. My grandfather was a Bourgeois.

[TomStillwell]

"Well you know, the business you are in probably does attract some nuts, not the least of which are jealous nuts. I would imagine it comes with the territory, so just because you are paranoid doesn't mean somebody isn't after you. lol"

Heh. More classic Olney.

I love that he thinks ANYONE actually wants to be a fifty-plus pasty, smelly, untalented, dimwitted, cowardly, lying hack deadbeat.

Quick, show of hands. Anyone actually WANT to be like this perpetual loser?

Gail

OH ME! I've always wanted to be friendless, talentless, broke, dishonest, unethical, illogical, brutish, immature, reviled, judgment bound, and exiled from the very medium I claim to have ushered into a new golden age.

Wait. No, it's just the opposite thing I want. Nevermind.

[Blake Petit]

Not to derail the thread or anything, but I've been meaning to ask -- where, exactly, did the "peanut" thing come from?

Not to cast aspersions on it or anything, just curious.

[Papergirl]

OH ME! I've always wanted to be friendless, talentless, broke, dishonest, unethical, illogical, brutish, immature, reviled, judgment bound, and exiled from the very medium I claim to have ushered into a new golden age.

*gets out her rolled up Sunday NY Times...*

Don't make me use this on you, Tom...

Wait. No, it's just the opposite thing I want. Nevermind.

*whew* Had me worried for a moment there.

~Bev

[Matt Doc Martin]

Not to derail the thread or anything, but I've been meaning to ask -- where, exactly, did the "peanut" thing come from?

Not to cast aspersions on it or anything, just curious.

I got it from Sarah Beach. I find her to be intelligent, witty, and I think it bugs the hell out of Olney.

Plus, if you watch him post, he tries a new round of insults/remarks every time..hoping to find something that sticks and/or bugs us. He fails constantly, though.

Meanwhile, we keep calling him "peanut".

[Matt Doc Martin]

If his physical prowess is like his debating and his ostensible legal team, I don't think that people need to be worried.

His physical prowess is even worse off. He is short, fat, and has a heart problem.

I imagine him winded walking around. Let alone if he gets himself in a huff...and has to breathe his own fumes.

Like a bully, he talks a big game but if faced down by anyone, he would turn tail and hide.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Wow, go read THIS creepy Olney story. Note the bizarre paranoia and the anti-woman comments, just like he uses here on this thread.

http://renaissancegeek.blogspot.com/2007/01/eddie-torial-anecdote-when-eddie-met.html

He's nothing if not consistent, in addition to consitently being a huge nothing.

[Draconomicon]

A friend of mine, and contrary to ugly runmor, I still have many -- emailed me recently to say this:

Well you know, the business you are in probably does attract some nuts, not the least of which are jealous nuts. I would imagine it comes with the territory, so just because you are paranoid doesn't mean somebody isn't after you. lol.

I am still utterly baffled by the fact that he thinks "Gail Simone" (nudge nudge) is 'jealous' about HIS success.

I mean, these are delusions beyond what any healthy mind should be able to conceive.
One is a very successful writer who is currently writing a lot of books, each which garners praise by both readers and reviewers, has a healthy relationship to her fans, to other writers and also actually publishes her own book through Wildstorm right now (tranquility).
The other person (Mr. Olney) has... well.. NOTHING beyond possible breaking the law to show.

I am not sure what it can be that "Gail Simone" (Nudge Nudge) might be jealous about. His beard??
Very doubtful....

[Draconomicon]

She's a woman. With strong opinions. Who voices them.

I wonder where that outright hate against women and minorities comes from.

[colleen]

The Produceris Legal Guide for the State of Ohio clearly indicates that verbal contracts are enforceable. Moreover, since the defendant has used the material in question, and given every indication in writing on this forum that he used the material and intends to pay for it, that's all the proof a judge needs of a verbal contract...which, by the way, is no longer verbal.

It's in writing.

On this forum.

Amidst TLE's rapacious talk of suing - on the off chance TLE actually gets a lawyer who is not a 19-year-old sock puppet named Haylie - TLE's next experience with the legal system may come in the form of an abusive process for malicious litigation.



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[TCJohnson]

I'm the publisher of a line called About Comics. About puts out a mix of reprints (such as Busiek&Fry's The Liberty Project, or the upcoming Schulz's Youth by Charles Schulz), books about comics (such as Panel One: Comic Book Scripts by Top Writers), books of 24 hour comics (About is the force behind 24 Hour Comics Day), and some other random items (http://www.licensablebeartm.com/?page_id=21). As such, we're generally not in the business of making big money promises to creators for new material... and not by accident. We don't want people putting a lot of effort into anything that we can't end up paying them appropriately for.

Oh, wait...you do Panel One? I think I might have bought that from you at the baltimore comicon, you were even kind enough to sign it. :)

Very cool book.

[colleen]

The only cases in which a verbal contract in the State of Ohio is NOT enforceable. As you see, none of these situations apply here:

When is a verbal contract enforceable?

Certain types of verbal contracts are not enforceable. An Ohio law referred to as the "Statute of Frauds" requires that five types of contracts must be in writing: 1) a contract for the sale of land or an interest in land, 2) a contract that cannot be completely performed within one year, 3) a promise to answer for the debt of another, 4) a promise by an executor of an estate to personally pay for the debts of the estate, and 5) a promise made in exchange for marriage. A contract that falls under one of the Statute of Frauds categories cannot be enforced if it is not a written contract.

However, there are two exceptions to the Statute of Frauds, both of which are based upon fairness. Where one party partially performs on a verbal contract, the contract may be enforceable against the other party (termed "partial performance"). And where one party relies upon a verbal contract to his or her detriment, and such reliance was foreseeable by the other party, a court will enforce the verbal contract (termed "promissory estoppel" or "detrimental reliance"). In these situations, the party who has suffered a loss as a result of the verbal agreement may be able to enforce the agreement in court despite the lack of a written instrument.
See O.R.C. 1335.05 for the "Statute of Frauds".

All actions by the freelancer were on contracts performed in the course of a year or less, the contracts included no sale of land, no debts for others, and thank God in heaven, no marriages were involved.

Verbal contracts between TLE and freelancers are enforceable under Ohio law.


In some states, there is a statutory limit on the amount of money that can be involved in a verbal contract, but I am afraid my Uniform Business Code text is a little out of date and I don't have time to do all that research. But you can bet it's a lot more money than the dribs and drabs owed to most of these freelancers.

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[TCJohnson]

HE couldn't hang with the women i chill with...

They'd turn him to jelly with but a word.....

....any of them single?

[Reverend Smooth]

and thank God in heaven, no marriages were involved.Now, there's an understatement!

[Sarah Beach]

Not to derail the thread or anything, but I've been meaning to ask -- where, exactly, did the "peanut" thing come from?

Not to cast aspersions on it or anything, just curious.

Ah, Blake, that is my contribution to the wonders of the universe.

Because RO has the brains and balls the size of said item.

And because he doesn't even rise to the level of small potatoes.

[Blake Petit]

Ah, Blake, that is my contribution to the wonders of the universe.

Because RO has the brains and balls the size of said item.

And because he doesn't even rise to the level of small potatoes.

Ah, thanks! :)

(Somebody cue Paul Harvey.)

[Danny Donovan]

That being said... i DO have contracts that i scanned into my computer and made into pdfs.
and if this knucklehead had owed me money, you get best believe at some point my six foot nine 275 lb. African American behind would do his most brilliant Suge Knight impression and i WOULD HAVE MY MONEY.

First, Christ thank you for posting. You are probably one of my favorite people in the business. I'm sorry to hear about your injury and I hope you feel better soon. I hope at some point I'm at a convention your at so I have the oppertunity to shake your hand and thank you not only for your talent, but for your ethics and your just being a damn good person.

Second, I'd like to say as much as I fear and respect the power of a 6'9 275lb black guy, I don't know if you'd actually be able to hang Rick off the side of a balconey ala Suge. He's rather a big boy, one would think you might throw out your back, and honestly who needs another problem? ;)

But I think that's a damn fine post you made, I hope you get your due from this other bastard, and I'm thankful you never made it into the situation my compatriots and I have. God bless Ronee.

Here's a new legal question for those of you with connections to ask about:

At what point, if ever, does repeatedly, loudly, openingly threatening to sue someone (and thus, an argument could be made, causing damage to the would-be defendant's reputation) become (in and of itself) actionable?

Anyone out there have a reliable answer?

(I tried calling Mr. Olney to ask his opinion, but [oddly enough, he said, his voice bleeding sarcasm] his phone now only accepts pre-approved incoming numbers.)

Colleen, feel free to correct me on this but....

Yes, Rick's actions to date are actionable (poor wording I know but I'm tired so forgive me.) Rick overstepped the boundry of mere "shooting his mouth off on a forum" now have there been some people on this here intarwebz that have done the same? Yes. But two wrongs don't make a right.

See, he's put himself in a predicament, where Gail, Joanne, etc could sue him for defimation of character due to the fact that they work in a business in which public opinion effects their bottom line. Take Rick for instance, HE will never find success because his credability as a person has been shot.

So he is trying to shoot down people who's credability is much higher, but in doing so he has made threatening comments, and liabelous remarks, which if taken seriously could adversely affect careers. Not saying anyone would believe him, but saying someone slept their way into their position, or to accuse someone of being illicit in dealings in a personal or professional matter goes to challenge ones character.

If a publisher were to hear the scuttlebutt and change their mind on hiring Gail for a project merely because of the 'scandal' that was being tossed about she could sue Rick for lost wages and should to reclaim the character he tried to assasinate.

This won't happen for many reasons 1.) people like Gail. 2.) Rick is almost a dirty word in the industry now. 3.) Gail has a backlog of work that proves her talent and professionalisim whereas the person making the statements has nothing.

I could go on, but I won't. I've dealt with something similar in the past. And you know what? I came out on top of that situation. Because to a certain point you cannot defend against that kind of behavior in a court of law.

"But she doesn't like me" does not get you far with a judge. They will say "Tough shit little man, the world ain't fair. you opened your mouth and as such opened yourself to action and this is what you are required to pay."

And if she did that, there would be no "I will gladly pay you tuesday for the hamburgers I eat today." excuse, because assets would be siezed, and jail time would be served.

Rick has crossed the line many times, and honestly I could point out at least 3 things he could be taken to court on based on his actions here alone. Harassment, Defimation, Liable, Fraud.

When you make blanket statements of a negative manner about a person, and they are proved untrue, you can find yourself at the end of a very big subpeona.

However, there HAVE been negative things about Rick said here, but so far all of those things have held water. It is not a case of "two sides to every story" it's a case of "these are the solid facts of the matter and this is you trying to dismiss them."

Now I have to say, I am dissapointed this blog did not contain the small press thing. Or the things that "Gail" supposedly had done that would "crack the internet in half" (God how I HATE that phrase.)

I will have Rick know however, that rest assured unlike the products that are "supposedly" coming soon, Unscrewed! will be on the shelves this summer, and the creators, and others that have lost out financialy to the dirty dealings will be given recompense.

[Sarah Beach]

Oh, I should add, just for the record, as the peanut has bothered to imply a conspiracy: Chuck Dixon had nothing to do in the starting of this thread, at least not on his part. Gail had taken part in discussions on Dixonverse regarding the non-payment of talent connected to TOTS#1. She did so in support of Chuck and others screwed by Olney.

She was cc'd on some email discussions the Dixonverse moderators had regarding the decisions leading up to his being banned there, but only in order that she be kept informed as one who had been vilely insulted on the board. She did not participate in that decision process.

After RO was banned on Dixonverse, Gail opened this thread on her own, for her own reasons. Chuck neither suggested it or urged it.

Other than that? They're friends and communicate. So what?

I know that most of the readers here didn't really need those facts reiterated. But, one does have to chuck the garbage out every so often.

[Corrina]

Question: Why did you resort to these vile, nasty insults about women in the thread, Mr. Olney? It does not help make you look like a professional or help your cause.

Olney: They started it by saying I should pay people who did work for me!!!

[depizan]

Good Lord. Rick Olney is his own worst enemy. I thought his repeated visits to this thread were bad enough, but his defense of himself on his blog...he was intending that as a defense, right?...is even worse. If the suits against him actually make it to a court room, someone needs to videotape the proceedings - for America's Funniest Home Videos.

I can't believe he's still claiming that he'll hold a MMC this year and have two comic books published. His company has been disolved and the MMC site still lists the guests from the last, shall we say, non-con. He doesn't seriously think he can get them to try again this year, does he? Oh, wait, he probably does. *shakes head in disbelief*

He keeps sinking to new levels of bizarre. And, on the off chance he returns and reads this, it is not what Ms. Simone and the other people claiming debts have said that convinced me they were right and you were wrong, it's what you have said.

[Reverend Smooth]

I can't believe he's still claiming that he'll hold a MMC this year and have two comic books published. His company has been disolved and the MMC site still lists the guests from the last, shall we say, non-con. He doesn't seriously think he can get them to try again this year, does he? Oh, wait, he probably does. *shakes head in disbelief*

He keeps sinking to new levels of bizarre. And, on the off chance he returns and reads this, it is not what Ms. Simone and the other people claiming debts have said that convinced me they were right and you were wrong, it's what you have said.

I'm reminded of collectors. Obsessive-compulsive types who want to acquire, say, as many pets as they can.

They get in over their heads, they can't keep up with care and expenses, refuse to see what's going on, and make excuses. They cling to the delusion of their dream, their obsession.

It sounds, to my layman's but very personally-educated eye, that he likes to collect talent. He can't afford to do anything with it, he mistreats it, but keeps repeating the same pattern.

(Add to that an unhealthy dose of narcissism, though I don't know if it's genuine or just overcompensation.)

I suggest Effexor.

[Matt Doc Martin]

I wonder where that outright hate against women and minorities comes from.

It's a story he doesn't like repeated, but since I never signed an NDA....

When he was stationed in Okinawa (which he thought meant he was "in country" because there were Asians around him and he did not speak the language) he decided to visit a house of ill-repute.


A very attractive woman of Japanese descent stood outside calling to the men: "GI! Me love you long time! Fi' dollah!"


He had been without a woman always, so he decided that he could spare some money from his MCDonald's fund and ventured in.

They proceed to the bedroom..Olney was scared and sweating. The scared part was the only new thing.

He hands over the five dollars. She request that he removes his pants. Hesitantly, he does.

She stifles a laugh and hands him $3 in change. "Me not need so much for you. This go quick"

He fled into the night, red-faced and sweating. The sweating was not new.

He swore to hate women and minorities from then on. And gays. And people who he owed money to. And people that smelled better than him.

Frankly, he was a bitter, twisted man from then on.

Moral of the story: Next hooker that meets Olney should KEEP THE CHANGE!

[NatGertler]

Oh, SHIT! I just remembered I got to draw some of Busiek's Liberty Project characters when I assisted Bo Hampton on Total Eclipse.
What a fart in the sand, to punctuate the end of a great company. Ran into Marv at Dragon Con, and his statement was "NOT my best work."Total Eclipse is #1 on my personal list of least-reprintable comics. Not only do you have a writer who wish the project had never existed, and not only would reprinting it require permission from the owners of a lot of different characters who appeared in it (some of whom think their characters were not particularly well treated in it), but also one of those characters is Miracleman, who probably has the most muddled rights situation in all of comics.
But I think the real punctuation at the end of that company was when their ads included hidden messages from one of the key folks there, accusing her s.o., another key person, of infidelity.
--Nat (who owns one of the splash pages, the Miracleman one, and thus may have some of your work.)

[Blake Petit]

Total Eclipse aside, I'd love to see more Liberty Project someday.

[Kurt Busiek]

Total Eclipse aside, I'd love to see more Liberty Project someday.

Do you have their appearance in TEENAGENTS?

kdb

[Blake Petit]

It's on my "wish list" I carry with me on those rare occasions I make it to conventions. Some day it shall be mine! :D

[OzBat!]

Oz,

Someone please correct me if I am in error, but did not each of the above three legally change their names to the ones above?

If so, then, they are their real legal names.

Best,

SamuelThis wasn't the case when they did most of their work. Does this mean they couldn't claim those works as theirs, because they were done by a different legal person? If Mr Olney wanted their appearance at a convention, could he stiff Stanley Martin Lieber and Samuel Clemmens on their airfares because those aren't the names on their works?

[TCJohnson]

I was looking for another quote but found this quote. Think it's interesting.

It always amazes me how a convention that supposidly never pays its guests much to attend actually ends up with such a nice list.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=321635#post321635

[Matt Doc Martin]

I was looking for another quote but found this quote. Think it's interesting.



http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=321635#post321635

Irony...thy name is Olney.

[Paul D. Storrie]

Question: Why did you resort to these vile, nasty insults about women in the thread, Mr. Olney? It does not help make you look like a professional or help your cause.

Olney: They started it!!!

Olney: See, there was this ***** named Eve and she ate this apple...

PDS

[Reverend Smooth]

This wasn't the case when they did most of their work. Does this mean they couldn't claim those works as theirs, because they were done by a different legal person? If Mr Olney wanted their appearance at a convention, could he stiff Stanley Martin Lieber and Samuel Clemmens on their airfares because those aren't the names on their works?I don't believe so, since pen names are used quite often but the copyright goes to the person who wrote the books, regardless of the name used.

FWIW, I've seen many books by people with pen names-- on the cover is one name but the names that hold the copyright are the legal names.

So he may be writing as Stan Lee, but Stanley Martin Lieber still presumably holds the rights unless he signed them away.

I could be wrong, but...?

[TCJohnson]

Here is the quote I am looking for.

If anybody thinks that Matt might be out of line of accusing Olney going to prostitutes or that it might actually be libel, I would remind people of this post:

The original question was,"does this make me a racist?
I love asian women. Now, I'm as white as they come. Irish, Norweigan, Dutch, and Bohemian. Not a drop of "color", or should I say "flavor" (what sounds cool?) in me. Now, I don't not-like other ethnic/racial groups, but I just really really like asian women. Like, it there were two women, one white and one asian, and in every way possible they were the same, i'd choose the asian chick."

Well, back in 1971-73... I loved Asian women in Viet Nam, Japan, Korea, Okinawa, and the PI.

Didn't catch anything. Didn't want anything. Made lots of acquaintances...and only had to pay about 1/3rd of them.


'Course, I grew up in a sexist era...so you'll need to excuse my ignorance.


http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=192468&highlight=asian#post192468

[DocAbsurd]

Anyone taking wagers on how long before poor Eddie Mitchell gets a phone call from Moby, after he checks his OKRA lists from a decade ago?

Talk about not letting go. I've seen snapping turtles with lockjaw possessing less tenacity than Moby does.




Doc 'Tetanus' Absurd

[NatGertler]

There is nothing unethical about wanting an attorney to look into amtter, sort it out, and insure that everyone is treatedfairly. Actually, there is very much that is unethical in withholding due money from people who have completed their contractual obligations because you fear that someone, somewhere might have done something wrong. Even if you're depiction of what qualifies as "wrong" was legitimate, it doesn't obviate your ethical AND LEGAL requirement to pay all of those people who didn't do wrong... whether or not you have identified the wrong-doers.
If there are specific people you have claims about, there may be some excuse to withhold payments... but have you given those people the information needed to verify the location of an escrow account where the money is being held awaiting a conclusion of matters? Have you, ''Rick''?

It's long past time to honor your obligations, ''Rick''.

[Draconomicon]

It's a story he doesn't like repeated, but since I never signed an NDA....

When he was stationed in Okinawa (which he thought meant he was "in country" because there were Asians around him and he did not speak the language) he decided to visit a house of ill-repute.


A very attractive woman of Japanese descent stood outside calling to the men: "GI! Me love you long time! Fi' dollah!"


He had been without a woman always, so he decided that he could spare some money from his MCDonald's fund and ventured in.

They proceed to the bedroom..Olney was scared and sweating. The scared part was the only new thing.

He hands over the five dollars. She request that he removes his pants. Hesitantly, he does.

She stifles a laugh and hands him $3 in change. "Me not need so much for you. This go quick"

He fled into the night, red-faced and sweating. The sweating was not new.

He swore to hate women and minorities from then on. And gays. And people who he owed money to. And people that smelled better than him.

Frankly, he was a bitter, twisted man from then on.

Moral of the story: Next hooker that meets Olney should KEEP THE CHANGE!

Okey, that had me laughing on the floor. ROFL!

[colleen]

I don't believe so, since pen names are used quite often but the copyright goes to the person who wrote the books, regardless of the name used.

FWIW, I've seen many books by people with pen names-- on the cover is one name but the names that hold the copyright are the legal names.

So he may be writing as Stan Lee, but Stanley Martin Lieber still presumably holds the rights unless he signed them away.

I could be wrong, but...?

Your name doesn't make any difference.

On filing copyright paperwork forms under Name of Author, you may file the paperwork and indicate whether or not the author is anonymous or working under a pseudonym. You don't even have to reveal the real name if you don't want to. The only thing you must reveal is the citizenship or domicile of the copyright holder.

Just because you are working under a pseudonym, this does not mean you do not have legal rights to the authorship of your work, or any other legal rights pertaining to your work.

TLE's puerile insistence on making some kind of issue of Gail Simone's use of a pseudonym is merely further evidence of TLE's complete lack of professionalism, experience, and understanding of the rights of authors. It's a non-issue and has no bearing on any of the legal matters raised here.


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[Reverend Smooth]

'Course, I grew up in a sexist era...so you'll need to excuse my ignorance.Doesn't take responsibility for anything, does he? 9.9

[Matt Doc Martin]

Here is the quote I am looking for.

If anybody thinks that Matt might be out of line of accusing Olney going to prostitutes or that it might actually be libel, I would remind people of this post:



http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=192468&highlight=asian#post192468

Thanks. I remember that post, but made yet another copy of it.

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[Papergirl]

She stifles a laugh and hands him $3 in change. "Me not need so much for you. This go quick"

Best. Line. Ever.

~Bev
Who is REALLY glad she wasn't drinking anything while reading this!

[colleen]

Here is the quote I am looking for.

If anybody thinks that Matt might be out of line of accusing Olney going to prostitutes or that it might actually be libel, I would remind people of this post:



http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=192468&highlight=asian#post192468

That's an interesting quote. Because has anyone noticed that the claim of his time in Viet Nam comes up here, and yet on this thread, he admits he never went there? That he only enlisted during Viet Nam but actually went to Okinawa?


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[Matt Doc Martin]

That's an interesting quote. Because has anyone noticed that the claim of his time in Viet Nam comes up here, and yet on this thread, he admits he never went there? That he only enlisted during Viet Nam but actually went to Okinawa?


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I have noticed that he cannot keep his stories straight.

THAT is what I notice.

[neko onna]

Man..this has taken a while to catch up on..

OT but:
"As glad as I am that Gail writes comics, I haven't had my hair done in a year and it looks like a rat's nest. I envy anyone who knows how to do their hair."

Hey, if I can do Lea Hernandez' hair in a hotel room sink at SDCC, I'm sure something could be arranged. ;)

Gail
I have to meet her..we live in the same city for cryin out loud



Jesus, "Rick", just pay people the money you owe, and this would all be over.


I think that is part of the problem..he won't be getting anymore attention if this ends. I think he is giddy with all the attention he is getting even if it is negative.

I really wish someone would really take this to court and let him learn what the laws REALLY are...


ok..OT again

I shared this with Gail already but

I found this message is from TLE and ORCA


http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1168702253-1167594698364.b.jpg

[Matt Doc Martin]

some things I just found:

One of the most complicated problems that attorneys in contract law deal with is the verbal contract. Movie mogul Samuel Goldwyn is reported to have once said, "Verbal contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on." Although they are notoriously difficult to regulate, state and federal laws regarding verbal contracts do exist, and can help to ensure the enforcement of a verbal contract.

If you are involved in a dispute over a verbal contract, you need to ensure that your legal rights are protected. Please contact us today for a free consultation with an experienced contract lawyer who can help you understand your legal rights and options.

Three Elements of a Verbal Contract

In order to be considered valid, a verbal contract must contain three elements: offer, acceptance, and consideration.

• Offer: The person making the offer in a verbal contract must communicate their intent to enter into a contract. A verbal contract is not considered valid if all parties do not agree to the terms of the offer. Also, verbal contracts are only valid for a specified period of time and not indefinitely.

• Acceptance: A verbal contract is not valid until the offer is accepted. The acceptance of a verbal contract occurs when the person to whom the contract is offered voluntarily indicates agreement to its terms and conditions.

• Consideration: In addition to an offer and acceptance, verbal contracts must contain consideration. This means that each side must give the other something of value for the agreement to be binding. In most verbal contracts, this is an exchange of money, such as a down payment. However, in some cases, it is not money but a promise that is exchanged.

and

New York Statutes of Limitation

N. Y. Civil Practice Law and Rules: Chapter Eight of the Consolidated Laws, Article 2 - Limitations of Time:

211. Actions to be commenced within twenty years. (a) On a bond. (b) On a money judgment. (c) By state for real property. (d) By grantee of state for real property. (e) For support, alimony or maintenance.

212. Actions to be commenced within ten years. (a) Possession necessary to recover real property. (b) Annulment of letters patent. (c) To redeem from a mortgage.

213. Actions to be commenced within six years: where not otherwise provided for; on contract; on sealed instrument; on bond or note, and mortgage upon real property; by state based on misappropriation of public property; based on mistake; by corporation against director, officer or stockholder; based on fraud.

213-a. Actions to be commenced within four years; residential rent overcharge.

213-b. Action by a victim of a criminal offense.

214. Actions to be commenced within three years: for non- payment of money collected on execution; for penalty created by statute; to recover chattel; for injury to property; for personal injury; for malpractice other than medical or dental malpractice; to annul a marriage on the ground of fraud.

UCC, Section 2--725. Statute of Limitations in Contracts for Sale. (1) An action for breach of any contract for sale must be commenced within four years after the cause of action has accrued. By the original agreement the parties may reduce the period of limitation to not less than one year but may not extend it. (2) A cause of action accrues when the breach occurs, regardless of the aggrieved party`s lack of knowledge of the breach. Contract for lease of goods: 4 years (N. Y. U.C.C. 2-A-506(1).

S 203. Method of computing periods of limitation generally. (a) Accrual of cause of action and interposition of claim. The time within which an action must be commenced, except as otherwise expressly prescribed, shall be computed from the time the cause of action accrued to the time the claim is interposed.

So it looks like if you have been waiting more than 2 years, you best get on the stick to suing this jackass.

[Danny Donovan]

That's an interesting quote. Because has anyone noticed that the claim of his time in Viet Nam comes up here, and yet on this thread, he admits he never went there? That he only enlisted during Viet Nam but actually went to Okinawa?


c

Give it three weeks, he'll not only have been to Okinawa, he'll have won the war singlehandedly, served honorably under General Nick Fury, and that anyone who denies that America won Viet Nam is a liberal tree hugging puppy puncher.

And then a week later he'll say that certain vigilante factions misrepresented his words, and what he meant was that he wasn't a marine in 'Nam but was a special ops agent who gaurded the canadian border against evil injuns who "left the wonderful awesome land that white people made better" and are trying to come back to steal the soul of their betters. :p

[Draconomicon]

Hmmm...

I found a few very interesting quotes of Mr. Olney.
He does have an Ego.
http://www.brokenfrontier.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1000&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=360&sid=32e7f7335b5e08f13988fa496d06db30
So - How many of you here know or have heard of me?

Don't take that as ego driven... just don't want to bore anyone with a long intro. Laughing


No need to share the last 12 years worth of details on myself. I'm sane, happily married for 30 years, a father, grampa, and inspiration to many people in the comic book entertainment industry. Kind of like what they all take when creative constipation sets in. Yeah, no foolin'! Laughing
Move Aside Kurt Busiek! Begone Mark Waid! Here is the TRUE Inspiration to the Comic Industry!

I had thought I forgot the deodorant or something...
Awww....

Also, THIS here is very interesting to read
http://smallpresscomics.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=000138

Anybody that really knows me knows that I'm prone to eccentric episodes now and again.

People are petty. People in this hobby and industry are petty. Very rarely does a person or entity get credit for its efforts unless its done by the rank-n-file. A very small percentage of people treat this hobby,my hobby, like it is theirs alone to do with as they choose. I have my own approach.

O RLY?

My friend, Jonah Weiland created Freecomicbooks.com after trading emails with me.
Now THAT is interesting. Wouldnt you guys say so?


My friends at Marvel tried that .99 cent line of comics on my suggestions. My friends at CrossGen just launched their own BRIDGES program. Does ORCA have creative ties to Free Comic Book Day? It wouldn't surprise me if Joe Fields and forces at Diamond tapped into any of that which they've seen in letters from me or read illustrated upon the face of the hobby.
IMPORTANT guy, this guy, eh?

As I am a public person,
He says he is a public person, that means he is in the light of the public. He cannot claim anymore he had been stalked just because people want to know more about him and his actions, if I understand that correctly.

[Crowley]

Wow, what a prick:

Well, back in 1971-73... I loved Asian women in Viet Nam, Japan, Korea, Okinawa, and the PI.

Didn't catch anything. Didn't want anything. Made lots of acquaintances...and only had to pay about 1/3rd of them.;)


'Course, I grew up in a sexist era...so you'll need to excuse my ignorance. :cool:

[Jack Zodiac]

Now THAT is interesting. Wouldnt you guys say so?

I wonder what Jonah thinks about that.

[EdContradictory]

He says he is a public person, that means he is in the light of the public. He cannot claim anymore he had been stalked just because people want to know more about him and his actions, if I understand that correctly.
Yeah, he never had a leg to stand on there.

He was, after all, a high profile comic book publisher. And if High Profile Comic Book Publishers could sue for someone saying "mean" things about them... Joe Quesada would be suing half the comic Internet.

[Draconomicon]

To preserve the Postings

And just to prevent it from being deleted by him, here are his whole posts

orcafresh
Member
Member # 114

Rate Member posted January 25, 2003 05:35 PM Profile for orcafresh Author's Homepage Email orcafresh Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Apologies. I posted this in the wrong forum earlier. Brent or moderator-at-large, I've edited it in the other forum.

So many people think they know what ORCA is, yet they don't.

My earliest contacts with people within the various sector of the industry date back to the 1993-1995 years. I used to trade letters and then emails with people like Steve Geppi and other people at Diamond. I would espouse my thoughts and ideas on how the comic book could be more affordable to a wider readership. I also told them of ORCA's antics at giving away free comic books to inspire reading. And, I plugged the Comics in the Classroom thoughts and ideas that I had from working with two teachers directly back then in using the comic book in their school environments.

I've been doing this for ten years now. Anyone that is curious and look at coverage like this:
http://www.orcafresh.net/Comicons/pcc/class.html

Please pay particular attention to the date of the above coverage, because it is two years BEFORE anything proposed by MoCCA. You'll see that it mentions CrossGen Entertainment. I put that working relationship together. On ORCA's side of it, after Bob Stronach brought his two younger sons to a local club meeting, he found himself drawn to what I was saying regarding my thoughts on innovative approaches to taking and making a comic book serve a purpose slightly different, yet just as rewarding, as being simply read and collected. Classroom teaching environments were good places to teach kids about sequential art, their imagination, and possibly realizing that they had creative energy within themselves.

I wrote to retailers. Lots of them! No doubt some thought me insane. Heck, that wouldn't be anything unique. I've had parents and other former comic book readers tell me that I'm crazy for taking the approach that I do. So then why do I do it? Simple. It serves my purpose. Anybody that really knows me knows that I'm prone to eccentric episodes now and again. That doesn't make me a bad person. Other people think I'm a wacko and an egotist. Again, even if I were -- That doesn't make me a bad person. Frankly, if you take anything away with you of me from reading this post; it would be that I realize that this industry on all levels, be it Small Press, Indy or mainstream, is in need of all the help it can get to become a better attraction for readers of all ages. ORCA was originally created and founded 10 years aback to erase the ignorance of kids looking at comic books as instant money makers. Not enough was being done to inform them that the REAL value to a comic book was what was gained from reading it!

People are petty. People in this hobby and industry are petty. Very rarely does a person or entity get credit for its efforts unless its done by the rank-n-file. A very small percentage of people treat this hobby,my hobby, like it is theirs alone to do with as they choose. I have my own approach. My friend, Jonah Weiland created Freecomicbooks.com after trading emails with me. My friends at Marvel tried that .99 cent line of comics on my suggestions. My friends at CrossGen just launched their own BRIDGES program. Does ORCA have creative ties to Free Comic Book Day? It wouldn't surprise me if Joe Fields and forces at Diamond tapped into any of that which they've seen in letters from me or read illustrated upon the face of the hobby. If ORCA giving away free comic books somehow influenced aspects of the industry to look inward and be charitable a tad in allowing new readers to find this hobby, then great! Every idea begins somewhere. Where *free comic books* are concerned, ORCA has the credit for starting the idea and the longevity distinction. So you be the judge. Common sense will be your guide.

Before I step down from my cybernetic soapbox posting here ORCA has always promoted and endorsed the various values behind Small Press and people exploring their creative energies. We are a small press friendly environment and despite what you may think of me personally... I'm a great guy. The future belongs to us, the innovative creators! It doesn't matter if we're talking about creating comic books or creating comic book clubs here, my friends.

I'll shut up now. Heh, heh...

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Rick Olney
http://www.mightyminicon.com

[ January 25, 2003, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: orcafresh ]

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Rick Olney
http://www.mightyminicon.com

[Draconomicon]

And the second
orcafresh
Member
Member # 114

Rate Member posted January 28, 2003 11:38 PM Profile for orcafresh Author's Homepage Email orcafresh Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Thanks, Max!
If I could impart any advice to you, Matt? It would be to NOT give up. You're bound to get a percentage of adults that look at you strange. Certainly there will people that will turn a deaf ear also. Staying the course and not wavering from the goal of making sequentially driven entertainment a focus will insure its greater appreciation. Look about - You'll see more and more cartoons and sequential art used in advertising today. You didn't see that as much 5 years ago.

As far as libraries and schools; We're working on them silently outside of the box. With CrossGen Entertainment's new BRIDGES program to use as a viable program linking comic books and the educational classroom...it is anothing link to the chain of recognition being formed. It will be achieved! It'll just take a little more time. Worthwhile things always do.

My only personal regrets are that many people will never know those efforts were steadfastly originally began in the Utica, New York area back in 1995. The Comics Buyers Guide was the only trade magazine to cover it at the Pittsburgh Comicon in 2000. I theorized that other news zines like Wizard shunned it because it was an ORCA project. In fact, it was ORCA and CrossGen working together, so Wizard saw no need to pay attention to the press release it had gotten from us. Had ORCA been more attractive (and stronger in actual membership number) as a reader's centrist comic book fandom group, we could've had our own BRIDGES type program circulating in schools before now. But, alas, it wasn't to be. At any rate, I salute Mark Allessi, Tony Panuccio, and Beth Widera for not discarding the ideals and concept, which I and others in ORCA shared with them in 1999.

We have made a huge difference and we're not through yet. As I am a public person, I speak with adults about the benefits of allowing their children to read comic books. As some people in our industry balance their personal displeasure of the industry on the backs of other's, making it always someone else's fault...

Regarding that fault - Help me stop the lies being spread about me, ORCA, or Mighty Mini-Con. I will take legal action against those found to be launching slander and perpetuating falsehoods. Send me an email with what you've heard. Treat the situation and be considerate of others, as you would want someone to be considerate of raucious things stated about you behind your back. Ignorant people who spread lies deserve no quarter. I'll protect your anonymity. The most you'll be asked for is a notarized statement describing what you heard, under what conditions, and by whom.

Again 10 years has made a difference. ORCA has always stood for creative rights within the minds and lives of others.

I also encourage each of you to seek out this bit of reality by my friend, Steve Noppenberger:

I am here to announce that Potlatch 2 is available through Diamond Previews, and eventually through Cold Cuts, DimeStoreProductions, SquidWorks, Shenton Sales, Anthracite, Bries/Breeze, Walter Agency Pte Ltd, Marginal Distribution, and Red Route Distribution Ltd,

Synopsis
Potlatch 2 is a benefit book to aid ORCA (Organized Readers of Comics Associated). ORCA promotes the reading of comic books to outside industry avenues such as libraries and schools. Each year they give away thousands of books, to inspire readership and support of our hobby and the business of comic books. The 18 different creators featured in this publication donated their time, effort, and stories towards helping this cause. The ten assorted tales compiled in this collection run the gamut on genres - so there is something for everyone.

Contributors on this Potlatch Project are: Lonnie Allen, Sal Cipriano, Jen Contino, Marc Deering, Marco Dileonardo,, Kenneth V. Heidrrich, Chris Jaworski, Dennis Kinninger, Ron Lebraseur, Barrett Lombardo, Andy MacDonald, Russ McIntosh, Juan Navarro, Steven Noppenberger, Rick Olney, Christian Rogue, Chris Staggs and Greg Vondruska

Intended Audience: All Ages
Format Four-color cover, black and white interior, and comic book size: 64 pages.
Retail price $5.95

Potlatch: Comics to benefit ORCA are listed on page 233 in the December issue of Previews
Order Info
ANGRY DOG PRESS
DEC02 2444 POTLATCH #2 $5.95

At this time of the Press Release, there will be two cover versions. One by Noppie, the second by Marc Deering (Inker) and Chris Staggs (Artist) (and unknown colorist, check with Marc Deering as to whom this individual may be)

The actual product should arrive in stores on or near April, and debut at the Pittsburgh Con. Potlatch previous book has produced a benefit for the CBLDF ( There are still copies available at CBLDF web page http://www.cblfg.org . Please support the CBLDF.). Future Potlatch Projects will benefit organizations and or individuals related in some matter to the comic book industry, by sharing the gift of illustrated stories/comics.

If you wish to be part of the next Potlatch project, or know of an organization within or related to the comic book industry that would like a benefit book, contact at s.noppenberger@verizon.net

Thank you.

Steve

A n g r y D o g P r e s s
Steven M. Noppenberger
695 Windsor Drive
Westminster, Maryland
21158-4200

s.noppenberger@verizon.net

http://www.potlatchcomics.org
http://members.aol.com/noppie/myhomepage/Index.html
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In closing, I want to publicly thank Steve Noppenberger in this forum, because he is as small press as a creative person self publishing can get. It my honor to acknowledge those creators listed above, my friends, for their participation and creative energy on a beautiful second issue to the Potlatch benefit anthology. And thank you both (again) for your kind words.

[ January 28, 2003, 11:47 PM: Message edited by: orcafresh ]

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Rick Olney
http://www.mightyminicon.com

[Matt Doc Martin]

To preserve the Postings

And just to prevent it from being deleted by him, here are his whole posts

I also went and made PDF's.

[colleen]

some things I just found:



and



So it looks like if you have been waiting more than 2 years, you best get on the stick to suing this jackass.

Good on ya.

Not only is there a statute of limitations for filing a lawsuit, but there is a statute of limitations for collecting a debt. I suggest certain persons get off their asses and move. I do not know NY state law, but if that is where the contract is adjudicated, that is the law that applies.


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[Draconomicon]

I also went and made PDF's.

Ha!
Good form
http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/nowai-42443.jpg

[Matt Doc Martin]

Good on ya.

Not only is there a statute of limitations for filing a lawsuit, but there is a statute of limitations for collecting a debt. I suggest certain persons get off their asses and move. I do not know NY state law, but if that is where the contract is adjudicated, that is the law that applies.


c


yeah..this is all in regards TO NY law.

So move it, people!

[MacQuarrie]

Because we make things out of nothing, which allows them to convince themselves it was easy.
The Artist's Paradox.

Artists are magical people. They are gifted with powers and abilities that others don't posess. They shake the pencil over the paper, and wonderful words and pictures tumble effortlessly from the point onto the paper. Creating art is easy for artists. They don't have to work at it. The magic just happens, because artists are magical.

Therefore, the work is worthless and should be given away for free to anyone who asks for it.

No, I can't make sense of it either.

[colleen]

Yeah, he never had a leg to stand on there.

He was, after all, a high profile comic book publisher. And if High Profile Comic Book Publishers could sue for someone saying "mean" things about them... Joe Quesada would be suing half the comic Internet.

Absolutely.

Not only does he admit he is a "public person" he gives interviews and claims to have fans. I have yet to see any fans, but I have seen plenty of interviews.

He does not have the same expectation of privacy as little Aunt Brunhilda from Hackensack.

This fellow has, of his own free will, sold himself to the public as a Marine, using his alleged military career as a marketing point. The public has the right to question whether or not those credentials are valid, even as they have the right to question whether or not any of his other claims are valid.

He has no more right to privacy than Michael Jackson.


I detest Michael Jackson, but at least I am forced to admit the man has talent.

However, Michael Jackson never claimed to have served "in country" in Viet Nam, so that makes him one step up with me.


c

[Matt Doc Martin]

Ha!
Good form


The funny thing is, I only got involved because he pissed me off on the absolute wrong day to do it. He called me names and acted the fool. And I had free time on my hands.

Now, I will not let this go. The word continues to be spread.

[Sarah Beach]

I keep seeing it over and over in his various communications - postings, website text, emails.... "the hobby and industry of comic books". It's almost always that looooooong phrase, especially starting with "the hobby..."

What's up with that? It's like he has this compulsion to use it that way. Even when he's talking about his endeavors as a "publisher".

Who talks that way?

Me, I'm about breaking into the business of comics. It's a professional arena, just like film & television.

I suppose he thinks it sounds "intelligent", or "well educated". It actually sounds rather inane.

[TCJohnson]

Because has anyone noticed...



Honestly? No. I can't keep his lies straight! He has more continuity changes than Infinite Crisis and even harder to follow.

At this point I am assuming every word out of his mouth is a lie. He says he is a man? He says he is 52? He says he is a patriot? If Simone and Rumblestrips had not actually met him in person, I would have him pegged for a 13 year old girl from Russia.

[Reverend Smooth]

Who talks that way?

Me, I'm about breaking into the business of comics. It's a professional arena, just like film & television.

I suppose he thinks it sounds "intelligent", or "well educated". It actually sounds rather inane.He talks in an 'interview voice'. Reads like a politician.

[Danny Donovan]

Originally Posted by Olney
My friends at Marvel tried that .99 cent line of comics on my suggestions. My friends at CrossGen just launched their own BRIDGES program. Does ORCA have creative ties to Free Comic Book Day? It wouldn't surprise me if Joe Fields and forces at Diamond tapped into any of that which they've seen in letters from me or read illustrated upon the face of the hobby.




Um... no. Actually it was, from what I understand, a result of one of the Marvel Retailer summits back in the mid 90's during its bankruptcy days. The "over the edge and under a buck" line started around mid 1995 and lasted until somewere at the start of '97

Which as I said from my understanding I could very well be mixing my stories, came from a suggestion on how to improve the publishing divisions output, the retailing community was decrying the rising costs of comics which at the time had already hit the $2.25 per issue that they would like to see some entry tier books at a reasonable price for new readers.

To which Marvel started the over the edge and under a buck line, that consisted of Kurt Busiek's fantastic book Untold Tales of Spider-man, the anthology series that quickly became an X-Men tie-in Secret Origins, and I believe that the Cary Nord run of Daredevil was also part of the program.

To my knowledge the one person that they truly did listen to was a different comic convention promoter Shelton Drum of Heroes Con --- Also owner of North Carolina's best comic shops Heroes Aren't Hard To Find.

Shelton has reason to crow about his accomplishments, as Marvel heads like Joe Quesada credit him for things like logo ideas (when the Marvel Comics logo was printed above the title instead of at the side) and a few other assorted things.

but does Shelton ever go around the internet and talk about what an influence he is? No. He has a convention (one of the best on the East Coast) to put on, two stores, and a very expansive website to maintain.

So I call shenanigans on that claim of the 0.99 book thing being Rick's idea.

[OzBat!]

I wonder what Jonah thinks about that.Considering that I just left a note asking him, we'll soon find out!

[Papergirl]

I can't keep his lies straight! He has more continuity changes than Infinite Crisis and even harder to follow.

I am so sigging that.

~Bev

[MacQuarrie]

Originally Posted by Olney
My friend, Jonah Weiland created Freecomicbooks.com after trading emails with me.
He also created it after having a Krispy Kreme donut. So what?

[Papergirl]

Considering that I just left a note asking him, we'll soon find out!
I love you, Oz.

In a totally platonic way, but I do love you. :D

~Bev

[colleen]

Shelton Drum is a saint.

There's a comic convention promoter who deserves kudos and all the industry support he can get.

He's the man we love! All love to Shelton!

An honest guy, a fair dealer, someone who loves comics, a straight shooter!


Shelton Drum for rave fave comic convention promoter!


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[Danny Donovan]

Shelton Drum is a saint.

There's a comic convention promoter who deserves kudos and all the industry support he can get.

He's the man we love! All love to Shelton!

An honest guy, a fair dealer, someone who loves comics, a straight shooter!


Shelton Drum for rave fave comic convention promoter!


c

To this day, will always be my favorite convention. I've done a bunch and I've never been treated better than at Heroes.

[neko onna]

To this day, will always be my favorite convention. I've done a bunch and I've never been treated better than at Heroes.

I'll third that..last year was my virgin Heroes Con..and I vow to never miss that show again!

[Danny Donovan]

I'll third that..last year was my virgin Heroes Con..and I vow to never miss that show again!

It's such a shame WizardWorld is taking over their weekend. :)

[neko onna]

It's such a shame WizardWorld is taking over their weekend. :)

yea...good luck with that

[Lurch]

I just wanted to pop in and say ditto. I have been a customer of Shelton's for twenty years and he's a truly nice guy who loves this industry. And you're right, he's not the type to crow about his accomplishments or contributions. He's also guided quite a few professionals (Jackson Guice comes to mind.) into the industry and been very supportive of them with his conventions.

[Comcman]

Actually Matt, they have 6 years.

some things I just found:

213. Actions to be commenced within six years: where not otherwise provided for; on contract; on sealed instrument; on bond or note, and mortgage upon real property; by state based on misappropriation of public property; based on mistake; by corporation against director, officer or stockholder; based on fraud.



It appears that all of the issues are based on contract. At least in regard to People v. Olney. As far as Olney vs. _______ I have no idea. His alleged failure to pay within the terms of the contracts (not having seen one, I do not know for sure) is breach on his part. I think I remember someone saying that payment was due within 15 days of receipt of the completed work. Since payment was apparently not made within that timeframe, he is in breach. His constant reference to the fact that he has not been informed that he can make the payment is especially odd. I thought he was the company. If he’s not the one in charge, he is not as important as he claims to be. Who makes his decision for him regard IF he can pay someone?

His admission that he owes Ronee money is enough to prove a verbal contract. All she needs to show is the press releases she prepared. She did work for which he benefited. A single e-mail or letter saying “Thanks for the press release”, or “That looks great” would indicate that TightLip accepted Ronee’s work. Offer and acceptance. Consideration on the part of Ronee is the press release. Failure to provide consideration for work performed on his behalf is breach.

The fact that she did not sign specific required paperwork is not Ronees responsibility, it is the employer’s. He should not have allowed her to work for him without signing the docs because the purpose of the documents is to protect his rights, not hers. Why would she care about the NDA ? The fact that he allowed her to work on his behalf without signing them could easily be determined by the court that he waived those rights. He would have to give her extra consideration to have her sign those docs after she began work for him.

Lastly, any ambiguities in the contract and NDA will be held against the preparer of those documents, ie Mr. Olney. Any specifics must be stated within the four corners of the documents in question. I have not seen the contract, but people have said that it was pretty generic. He cannot now say “But I meant” or “It should have said”. As for the NDA, the one DocAbsurd posted did not specifically state what was confidential information, if I recall correctly. Someone stating that the contract was breached due to lack of payment is hardly confidential information. Is it info Mr. Olney does not want made public? Absolutely. But certainly not confidential based on the language in the contract.

Mr. Waid, I am not familiar enough with harassment laws to adequately advise you on the issue of constant threats of litigation. This other stuff is Contracts I basics.

[JTPencils]

I know of nothing

Gee dunderpuss, you coulda stopped right there, and finally admitted to all and sundry exactly the case. You know of nothing.

[Danny Donovan]

yea...good luck with that

wrong smiley face, my apologies.

I meant it IS a shame that Wizard is taking over all the great small cons.

[OzBat!]

Gee dunderpuss, you coulda stopped right there, and finally admitted to all and sundry exactly the case. You know of nothing.zzzzzzzzzzzzing!!

[OzBat!]

I love you, Oz.

In a totally platonic way, but I do love you. :D

~BevYou only say that because I'm irresistably, compulsively, platonically kewl that way!

[Papergirl]

You only say that because I'm irresistably, compulsively, platonically kewl that way!
Damn. I didn't think you'd figure that one out!

~Bev

[JTPencils]

MY credibility is shot??? HA! That is rich. Werent you going to email me your lawyers contact info over two weeks ago?? You sent an email that info was forthcoming and yet, like the checks u sent, never showed. Did the mail lose that too? Or was it a courier's fault this time? which story are you going to give me now?

Ronee, I'm still waiting as well. I think it goes like this. "Postman died while bringing out lawsuit papers from imaginary lawyers' office, whose computer also wasn't working to send out emails to available contacts. Film at 11... you just wait and see!!!"

[bert]

I am not sure what it can be that "Gail Simone" (Nudge Nudge) might be jealous about. ....

Well. . having seen his pic, pudgy *does* seem to have some very nice sized breasts.

maybe "Gail" is just envious that his don't swell up during that time of month (only when he eats a lot of cheeze?)

[THEDOC]

Wow, caught up with 15 pages between Colleen giving us great legal statues and other info and the latest Olney blog my mind is boggled.
I am also boggled and depressed that "Rick" did not do his exposae on SPA, ICC and other Small Press groups. I am soooooooooooooo disappointed. I bet I coulda learned a lot.
Man, I must say his dinner is taking a long time. I guess eating crow does take a while to chew.

[Gail Simone]

Actually, there is very much that is unethical in withholding due money from people who have completed their contractual obligations because you fear that someone, somewhere might have done something wrong. Even if you're depiction of what qualifies as "wrong" was legitimate, it doesn't obviate your ethical AND LEGAL requirement to pay all of those people who didn't do wrong... whether or not you have identified the wrong-doers.
If there are specific people you have claims about, there may be some excuse to withhold payments... but have you given those people the information needed to verify the location of an escrow account where the money is being held awaiting a conclusion of matters? Have you, ''Rick''?

It's long past time to honor your obligations, ''Rick''.



Says a REAL publisher.

Gail

[bert]

Well. . having seen his pic, pudgy *does* seem to have some very nice sized breasts.

maybe "Gail" is just envious that his don't swell up during that time of month (only when he eats a lot of cheeze?)

whoops. . see that line back there?

I think I may have crossed it.

I have no issues w/ breasts. Heck, I prefer them over mOObs any day.

I apologize if I offended. . .

[Gail Simone]

I am still utterly baffled by the fact that he thinks "Gail Simone" (nudge nudge) is 'jealous' about HIS success.

I mean, these are delusions beyond what any healthy mind should be able to conceive.
One is a very successful writer who is currently writing a lot of books, each which garners praise by both readers and reviewers, has a healthy relationship to her fans, to other writers and also actually publishes her own book through Wildstorm right now (tranquility).
The other person (Mr. Olney) has... well.. NOTHING beyond possible breaking the law to show.

I am not sure what it can be that "Gail Simone" (Nudge Nudge) might be jealous about. His beard??
Very doubtful....


Honest to god, if I were (shudder) Rick Olney?

I'd wake up weeping every single day and wouldn't stop til blessed sleep took me each evening.

Gail

[JTPencils]

Here it is:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=59528410

Hey I can see his blog....interesting, it's the one that was posted here not a new one.

Is anyone actually a "friend" on his MySpace account? If so, why not go to his "pics' section, and on the Kirby homage cover, put in "when you gonna pay the guy's that did this thing?". Wonder how long it would take for that to get deleted as well??? He's like a bad infection that no amount of anti-biotics will ever totally get rid of.

[Gail Simone]

Man..this has taken a while to catch up on..

OT but:

I have to meet her..we live in the same city for cryin out loud


I think that is part of the problem..he won't be getting anymore attention if this ends. I think he is giddy with all the attention he is getting even if it is negative.

I really wish someone would really take this to court and let him learn what the laws REALLY are...


ok..OT again

I shared this with Gail already but

I found this message is from TLE and ORCA


http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1168702253-1167594698364.b.jpg

I FREAKING LOVE THAT CAT!

Gail

[Gail Simone]

I wonder what Jonah thinks about that.

Jonah finds Rick hysterical.

Jonah's awesome, and he knows a loonbag when he sees one.

Gail

[OMAR]

I blinked, and I see I'm a good 70 pages (!) and at least one return visit from Olney (!!!) behind in my reading, but I have to say:

I'm sorry to offend a lot of people who honestly believe that he lied to them, cheated them of money, all the other stuff. If I had to guess I'd say each and every one of you is right.

But the fact that this nut is still out there counterpunching, weeks after the shit must surely have hit the fan in his personal as well as professional life... it appeals to the natural contrarian in me. He's not making any good points or anything like that, it's just that the sheer persistance of his insanity (just read his latest blog) demands a certain level of respect on a gut level for me. I certainly understand why folks won't want to hear that from me, and I'll even invite you to insult me for it because I do believe that this is a bad, probably crazy and bad person I'm talking about but it's not really that I'm complimenting him, I just can't help but be impressed by such (admittedly insane) commitment in the face of logic, decency, reason, thousands of strangers talking about what an irredemable asshole he is, lawsuits, the (probable) total destruction of his business and the CERTAIN irreparable damage to his reputation, the embarassment, the hassle to his family, all this and he just won't shut the f*** up, which I thought he'd have had to by now. Not saying there's anything noble about it, mind you... just saying "wow".

[ChrisCross]

....any of them single?
Well, one of them is my mother and the other is my grandmother... so...uh...no.

o i feel yucky just saying that for some reason.

[Gail Simone]

You know, we demolished his "rick Olie" bullshit with just a few contacts. It's utterly untrue.

He's been claiming credit for the Bridges program for a long time, and I'm friends with at least five people who worked right at the CrossGen compound.

We'll find out if this is more Olney wish fulfillment.

Gail

[JTPencils]

Yes, Billy's work is incredible. Hopefully I'll be able to get him to do a cover in 2008.

"... and then screw him out of paying him for said cover, then threaten him with legal actions when he complains... and then refuse to talk to him ever again. nyeh nyeh nyeh... "

I just hate when quotes aren't complete.

[ChrisCross]

i know one thing.. i'm not getting on you guys bad side... this has gone on for 730 pages. For this much unrest for one person, it has to be a world record. So let me be the first to say....I luuuuuvvv yewwwww. I just caaallled to saaayyy how much i caaaarrreeee.....:)

[OMAR]

I still love that there was a "Crossgen compound". When was the last time anything good came out of a compound? Who sets themselves up in a compound and thinks "yeah, this story is going to have a happy ending?"

[Reverend Smooth]

i know one thing.. i'm not getting on you guys bad side... this has gone on for 730 pages. For this much unrest for one person, it has to be a world record. So let me be the first to say....I luuuuuvvv yewwwww. I just caaallled to saaayyy how much i caaaarrreeee.....:)Fortunately, people seem classy enough not to be frivolous about these kinds of things. :3

[OzBat!]

Not saying there's anything noble about it, mind you... just saying "wow".You are far from alone in that, I'm right there with ya! It's just... simply... wow.

The sheer scale of his excesses... how could any one normal person accomplish so much dickery? blows my mind!

[JTPencils]

Yeah, like you think that it is your place to stick your nose into my business? Get a life, Mr. Johnson! :rolleyes:

Actually, it's anyone's business to warn someone of impending problems.

Much like forewarning someone before they step onto thin ice, or in front of a runaway bus, or any other horrible situation. You definitely fill that bill. (damn, there I go mentioning bills.... like the one's you owe just about everyone you seem to come in contact with). BTW... Ronee isn't the only one that's awaiting your concocted shyster to somehow get in touch. Must be one seriously incompetent fellow if emails are being misdirected to more then one person whom you have issues/business with. I can say with complete confidence, I've yet to see a thing!!!

[Corrina]

Not saying there's anything noble about it, mind you... just saying "wow".

It sounds like you're saying you like watching the train wreck.

[Blake Petit]

I can see your point, Omar. There is a truly herculean amount of delusion in those posts.

[Buckminster Futter]

...it's just that the sheer persistance of his insanity (just read his latest blog) demands a certain level of respect on a gut level for me...I just can't help but be impressed by such (admittedly insane) commitment...

You must've busted a nut over John Wayne Gacy.

[JTPencils]

Ask my fans and cheerleaders here.

Ok, I'll ask... anyone?? Anyone??? Anyone???? Bueller??? Bueller???

Nope, can't seem to find a single one peanut. All I hear are crickets chirping.

(c'mon... fan's and cheeleaders? that's gotta be one of the only funny thing's he's said in this thread yet! And not funny ha ha... but funny in the fact that he probably really thinks he HAS any!)

btw... forgive me if I'm a few pages behind on this... I decided to take ONE night off.. and look what happens.... whackadoo decides to poke his head out of his hiding hole, and pages ensue! That'll teach me!

[OMAR]

You must've busted a nut over John Wayne Gacy.

Ah, the internet is a harsh, unpredictable mistress. Even though I knew - and said as much - that I was inviting criticism, even personal insults after being so honest with an (deservedly) unpopular view, and by rights I should have seen it coming a mile away... I didn't account for the "child-raping murderer" factor! Curse you, internet... I think I love you, you heartless bitch...

[Danny Donovan]

Is anyone actually a "friend" on his MySpace account? If so, why not go to his "pics' section, and on the Kirby homage cover, put in "when you gonna pay the guy's that did this thing?". Wonder how long it would take for that to get deleted as well??? He's like a bad infection that no amount of anti-biotics will ever totally get rid of.

He keeps friending me and unfriending me. :p THAT is bizzare.

But no, his "friends" on Myspace are "models", actors, companies, and fictional people, all of whom accept any and all friend requests, without knowing the person.

Most of those types don't even pay attention to their requests they just have it set to "accept all" or employ someone who's entire job is just hitting the "accept button".

Oh! and I'm gonna respond to your PM soon! ^_^; Sorry to drop out mid conversation like that. I have been struggling with the Unscrewed! auction press release. I want to make sure it's crystal clear this type around. :)

[Danny Donovan]

Ok, I'll ask... anyone?? Anyone??? Anyone???? Bueller??? Bueller???

Nope, can't seem to find a single one peanut. All I hear are crickets chirping.

(c'mon... fan's and cheeleaders? that's gotta be one of the only funny thing's he's said in this thread yet! And not funny ha ha... but funny in the fact that he probably really thinks he HAS any!)

btw... forgive me if I'm a few pages behind on this... I decided to take ONE night off.. and look what happens.... whackadoo decides to poke his head out of his hiding hole, and pages ensue! That'll teach me!

He's being sarcastic, refering to the "plebs" and the "trolls" that dare question his integrety.

[Jack Zodiac]

i know one thing.. i'm not getting on you guys bad side... this has gone on for 730 pages. For this much unrest for one person, it has to be a world record. So let me be the first to say....I luuuuuvvv yewwwww. I just caaallled to saaayyy how much i caaaarrreeee.....:)

That's weird. I've had "Superstition" stuck in my head all day.

[JTPencils]

"Gail" I'm being called to go eat my dinner, but I'll be back later if you allow me to. And I'll post at least one lie that you have stated and perpetuated here.

Translation for those not familiar with Olneyese...

"It's feeding time here at the "Home for the Mentally Unhinged and Criminally Unethical". Next it'll be time for meds... and then I'll be back at my keyboard, mangling the English language, and tossing threats like a monkey flinging dung at the zoo."

[Gail Simone]

Translation for those not familiar with Olneyese...

"It's feeding time here at the "Home for the Mentally Unhinged and Criminally Unethical". Next it'll be time for meds... and then I'll be back at my keyboard, mangling the English language, and tossing threats like a monkey flinging dung at the zoo."

Another instance of Ol' Gutless running from another one of his made-up threats.

Gail

[wishlish]

To which Marvel started the over the edge and under a buck line, that consisted of Kurt Busiek's fantastic book Untold Tales of Spider-man, the anthology series that quickly became an X-Men tie-in Secret Origins, and I believe that the Cary Nord run of Daredevil was also part of the program.

The third book wasn't Daredevil; it was Over The Edge, a 10-issue anthology of Dr. Strange, Daredevil, the Hulk, Punisher, and the rest of the characters that fell under Bobbie Chase. That was back when there wasn't really an editor-in-chief at Marvel in the year after DeFalco. The Marvel line was divided up into 5 lines, and Bobbie Chase ran one of them.

[Jack Zodiac]

http://www.sitefights.com/community/spirit/jackzodiac//PBF/0pbf50020bc-penguin_enemy.jpg

[Danny Donovan]

The third book wasn't Daredevil; it was Over The Edge, a 10-issue anthology of Dr. Strange, Daredevil, the Hulk, Punisher, and the rest of the characters that fell under Bobbie Chase. That was back when there wasn't really an editor-in-chief at Marvel in the year after DeFalco. The Marvel line was divided up into 5 lines, and Bobbie Chase ran one of them.

thank you wishlish!

I stand corrected! I remember having one of those issues, which was a Daredevil one. :p Hence why I guess I thought it was the Cary Nord book (I really liked his DD)

I always heard good things about Chase as an editor as well. :)

[JTPencils]

Since a NDA doesn't prevent the "I haven't been paid for work I did a couple of months back, so I'm going to mention it in public"-things, I'm still wondering about what kind of trade secrets some people "apparently" revealed that resulted in broken NDAs...

If anyone can figure that one out, please inform me. As far as I know, thats been my "sin" as to why I'm not getting paid. I never once let out any information other then the fact that I hadn't seen a dime. Somehow (I've been told)... that put me "outside the NDA"... as well as that I was "out of time"... does that mean there's a statue of limitations on owing folks money? Must be me... *shakes head*.

[Cam63]

Cue the Sir Mix-a-Lot!!


[Intro]
Oh, my, god. Becky, look at her butt.
It is so big. *scoff* She looks like,
one of those rap guys' girlfriends.
But, y'know, who understands those rap guys? *scoff*
They only talk to her, because,
she looks like a total prostitute, 'kay?
I mean, her butt, is just so big. *scoff*
I can't believe it's just so round, it's like,
out there, I mean - gross. Look!
She's just so ... black!

[Sir Mix-a-Lot]
I like big butts and I can not lie
You other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung, wanna pull out your tough
'Cause you notice that butt was stuffed
Deep in the jeans she's wearing
I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
Oh baby, I wanna get wit'cha
And take your picture
My homeboys tried to warn me
But with that butt you got makes me feel so horny
Ooh, Rump-o'-smooth-skin
You say you wanna get in my Benz?
Well, use me, use me
'Cause you ain't that average groupy
I've seen them dancin'
The hell with romancin'
She's sweat, wet,
Got it goin' like a turbo 'Vette
I'm tired of magazines
Sayin' flat butts are the thing
Take the average black man and ask him that
She gotta pack much back
So, fellas! (Yeah!) Fellas! (Yeah!)
Has your girlfriend got the butt? (Hell yeah!)
Tell 'em to shake it! (Shake it!) Shake it! (Shake it!)
Shake that healthy butt!
Baby got back!

(LA face with Oakland booty)
Baby got back!

[Sir Mix-a-Lot]
I like 'em round, and big
And when I'm throwin' a gig
I just can't help myself, I'm actin' like an animal
Now here's my scandal
I wanna get you home
And ugh, double-up, ugh, ugh
I ain't talkin' bout Playboy
'Cause silicone parts are made for toys
I want 'em real thick and juicy
So find that juicy double
Mix-a-Lot's in trouble
Beggin' for a piece of that bubble
So I'm lookin' at rock videos
Knock-kneeded bimbos walkin' like hoes
You can have them bimbos
I'll keep my women like Flo Jo
A word to the thick soul sistas, I wanna get with ya
I won't cuss or hit ya
But I gotta be straight when I say I wanna *fuck*
Til the break of dawn
Baby got it goin' on
A lot of simps won't like this song
'Cause them punks like to hit it and quit it
And I'd rather stay and play
'Cause I'm long, and I'm strong
And I'm down to get the friction on
So, ladies! {Yeah!} Ladies! {Yeah}
If you wanna role in my Mercedes {Yeah!}
Then turn around! Stick it out!
Even white boys got to shout
Baby got back!

Baby got back!
Yeah, baby ... when it comes to females, Cosmo ain't got nothin'
to do with my selection. 36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3".

[Sir Mix-a-Lot]
So your girlfriend rolls a Honda, playin' workout tapes by Fonda
But Fonda ain't got a motor in the back of her Honda
My anaconda don't want none
Unless you've got buns, hun
You can do side bends or sit-ups,
But please don't lose that butt
Some brothers wanna play that "hard" role
And tell you that the butt ain't gold
So they toss it and leave it
And I pull up quick to retrieve it
So Cosmo says you're fat
Well I ain't down with that!
'Cause your waist is small and your curves are kickin'
And I'm thinkin' bout stickin'
To the beanpole dames in the magazines:
You ain't it, Miss Thing!
Give me a sista, I can't resist her
Red beans and rice didn't miss her
Some knucklehead tried to dis
'Cause his girls are on my list
He had game but he chose to hit 'em
And I pull up quick to get wit 'em
So ladies, if the butt is round,
And you want a triple X throw down,
Dial 1-900-MIXALOT
And kick them nasty thoughts
Baby got back!

(Little in the middle but she got much back) [4x]



and I must add to say, that it rocks so fucking hard that one of my all-time faves (that would be you Mr. Chris Cross) joining into this thread.

wow. . it's like almost all my faves are here (Gail, Colleen, Mark, Kurt, James. . and the rest).

I was expecting a little bit more comment from you than that, Bert. :D

[JTPencils]

Also talking to Jim Taylor we thought it might be a cool idea to have him auction off a "design your comic character" service for any wouldbe creators out there. Have their person designed by a pro. So there's another thought for the auction.


Absolutely, I'm more then willing to do whatever I can for the cause! Though to be truthful (something peanut has a difficult time dealing with)... I don't know if my name is "pro" enough to generate the interest ya might think!! Best write up's I've had for my work so far... has been here! But I'm still willing to do whatever I can!

[Cam63]

oh, i'm sorry y'all... i'm being rude.
Hello, everybody!!

I did dodge it thanks to my personal Wonder Woman, Ronee.

But as far as Robert is concerned, i WILL get my MONEY.

I hope he was wearing his brown undies when he read that, Chris.

[Danny Donovan]

Absolutely, I'm more then willing to do whatever I can for the cause! Though to be truthful (something peanut has a difficult time dealing with)... I don't know if my name is "pro" enough to generate the interest ya might think!! Best write up's I've had for my work so far... has been here! But I'm still willing to do whatever I can!

You're a pro JT. You've been published. You've done a lot of really good stuff. I mean we throw some of those Wraith pages up on the auction to show people what you can do and I'm sure they'd love to have you do their character. Also that Green Lantern vs Spectre piece is pretty awesome too.

Maybe we could convince Frank to toss in like "Wraith grab-bag" or something. Either auctioned seperately or with your commision/design auction. :)

[Matt Doc Martin]

You know, we demolished his "rick Olie" bullshit with just a few contacts. It's utterly untrue.

He's been claiming credit for the Bridges program for a long time, and I'm friends with at least five people who worked right at the CrossGen compound.

We'll find out if this is more Olney wish fulfillment.

Gail

The truth will be shocking, I am sure.

[Larry Dixon]

I hope he was wearing his brown undies when he read that, Chris.

He is now.

badoom-cha!!!

[bert]

He is now.

badoom-cha!!!

that was a shitty thing to say, Larry.


(rimshot!)

[Matt Doc Martin]

that was a shitty thing to say, Larry.


(rimshot!)

Knock that crap off!

[Cam63]

Not just any behind, Kurt. An African-American behind.

;)

I heard they can defect bullets.

[Koben Kelly]

that was a shitty thing to say, Larry.


(rimshot!)

That's a bunch of crap, ya big poop.

And with that, I log off for the night.

[Gail Simone]

La la la I have tons of proof of what I say. :)

"Mon, 18 Apr 2005 05:40:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Gail Simone" <gail@gailsimone.com> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Re: your mail LAST RESPONSE
To: "Rick Olney of TightLip Entertainment" <orcafresh@att.net>, "Gail Simone" <gail@gailsimone.com>

I'm not going to argue with you, Rick.

Frankly, two years of broken promises and weird
behavior from you is plenty.

'Veiled threat?' No. But if a friend of mine asks
what my experience was like, I will absolutely tell
them, and I'll add that it took TWO YEARS to get
reimbursed and only then because I gave up on the
final promised amount. Thankfully, in the law, truth
is the ultimate defense.

I don't care what your reasoning is. Most of this
happened BEFORE you had a heart attack, which of
course is news to me.

You asked me to come as a guest, promised much that
you didn't deliver, and I still didn't complain. Why?
Because I felt sorry for you. The fact is, Rick, I
HELD UP EVERY BIT OF MY END. I showed up, on time (you
guys were very late), I turned in my expenses, and
paid for my airfare and meals, and while others played
outside on the lawn, I stayed in my area because I
said I would. You want to make yourself look even
worse by trying to act wounded, that's your business.
Yes, I was more polite about it than I should have
been, but at that time, I thought you were
well-meaning but horribly organized. Now I believe
it's more than that.

To top it off, now you're saying I hadn't shown up at
your message board in a year, even though I have
emails from you as late as October, promising (as
usual) to pay this amount. I waited over and over
again while you took care of other, newer con
expenses. I think your right to pretend to be the
victim here is well past gone. You said you lost my
email, but you know full well that I have a board at
CBR.


Don't send me a check, and lose my email address
again, please. There's no 'fixing' two years of broken
promises and bad faith, and yes, I hope the next batch
of 'guests' fare better than we did.

Gail


"

[THEDOC]

i know one thing.. i'm not getting on you guys bad side... this has gone on for 730 pages. For this much unrest for one person, it has to be a world record. So let me be the first to say....I luuuuuvvv yewwwww. I just caaallled to saaayyy how much i caaaarrreeee.....:)

I had the image of Brother Love from the WWF pop up..hmm "Rick" does remind me of him.

[Cam63]

Knock that crap off!

Are you in a faecal position, Matt ?

[JTPencils]

Same reason the Klingons went from looking like regular humans in the 60s show (remember Ricardo Montoban?) and then looking like Worf by the time TNG came out. (actually the transformation came in one of the trek movies)


Actually Danny, Ricardo's character (Khan) was a genetically enhanced human, not a Klingon. But you could reference Michael Ansara (and a slew of other actors, but I can't think of another name at this time) as a pre-frontal lobe Klingon... But I still had a difficult time accepting Christopher Lloyd as a Klingon, new makeup job or not. I kept waiting for him to blurt out a Rev Jim style "Okey Doke" everytime he and Shatner had a discussion.

[Cam63]

Beats a 6'9" 275-lb. flabby white behind all hollow.

Not that they both wouldn't be terrifying. Just in different ways.

kdb

Depends on the type of ammo.

[Kurt Busiek]

I certainly understand why folks won't want to hear that from me, and I'll even invite you to insult me for it

You have bad teeth.

kdb

[JTPencils]

You know, last night it sorta hit me what Rick's life must be like now.

He's failed at everything. Tightlip is dissolved, Orca is disbanded, the Mighty Shitty con is disgraced. I mean, three for three, complete failure.

But on top of that, the pattern of utter dishonesty and betrayal of even close friends that's gone on for years and years and has held together only through fake, meaningless threats he never follows through on, that's all finally coming out in to the open as literally dozens of people come forth with remarkably similar stories.

"The check's in the mail."

"I lost your contact information."

"I had to leave the internet for a while."

Same tired excuses, used over and over again. He might as well have used a form letter.

I honestly wonder what it's like to have convinced yourself that you're actually a big wheeler dealer, beloved by all, with actual 'fans,' and then to wake up and find out that people are comparing notes and the tissue of lies falls to pieces, and you're exposed as a fake, a liar, a bumbler, a hack, a betrayer, a deadbeat, a bully, and an incompetent?

I think that'd be rough on anyone with conscience. Add to that, no friend at all who will defend him in the slightest, in fact, most of his former friends seem to be right here in this thread nodding in agreement as the list of his lies is trotted out.

Rick's probably fine, though, as I don't think anyone with a conscience could treat friends that way.

Gail

Gail, not for nothing, but when I find out what con you're attending (that I can also get to...) I will be holding my ticket (there will be a line no doubt) to purchase you a beverage of choice. I'll even kick in for your husband too... but I'm gonna want receipts.

[Cam63]

Wow, go read THIS creepy Olney story. Note the bizarre paranoia and the anti-woman comments, just like he uses here on this thread.

http://renaissancegeek.blogspot.com/2007/01/eddie-torial-anecdote-when-eddie-met.html

Tasmanian devils have their fierce cry and large teeth to warn others off.

Olney does far more with his fucked up personality.

[THEDOC]

Actually Danny, Ricardo's character (Khan) was a genetically enhanced human, not a Klingon. But you could reference Michael Ansara (and a slew of other actors, but I can't think of another name at this time) as a pre-frontal lobe Klingon... But I still had a difficult time accepting Christopher Lloyd as a Klingon, new makeup job or not. I kept waiting for him to blurt out a Rev Jim style "Okey Doke" everytime he and Shatner had a discussion.

I thought Lloyd made a great Klingon. "You and your valient crew". So did Christopher Plummer.
Actually the human-looking Klingons were either:
1) a lifestyle most Klingons did not stay as most fads fade so were re-enhansed back to the more frontal lobe look,
2) were enhanced to look more human so could deal with The Federation better,
3) two types of Kilngons races. (which I do not buy). I got this from the official Star Trek website.
I had heard that the Tribbles somehow effected the Klingons.
Now back to our regularly scheduled Olney thread.

[Kurt Busiek]

The third book wasn't Daredevil; it was Over The Edge, a 10-issue anthology of Dr. Strange, Daredevil, the Hulk, Punisher, and the rest of the characters that fell under Bobbie Chase. That was back when there wasn't really an editor-in-chief at Marvel in the year after DeFalco. The Marvel line was divided up into 5 lines, and Bobbie Chase ran one of them.

OVER THE EDGE, UNCANNY ORIGINS, PROFESSOR XAVIER AND THE X-MEN, UNTOLD TALES OF SPIDER-MAN, AVENGERS UNPLUGGED, FANTASTIC FOUR UNLEASHED...

kdb

[OzBat!]

Huh. Anybody listening to this 'kdb' guy would think he had something to do with it... What a cheek!

[Cam63]

Did you grow a foot, and not the kind with toes?

Gail

Longitude or latitude ?

[Kurt Busiek]

Anybody listening to this 'kdb' guy would think he had something to do with it... What a cheek!

Cheek? That's a 6'9" 275-lb. flabby white behind, I'll have you know!

kdb

[Cam63]

Huh. Anybody listening to this 'kdb' guy would think he had something to do with it... What a cheek!

Do you remember KB beer, Oz' ?

His invention, mate. All his. Kurt Busiek beer.

Tasted like piss too !

[THEDOC]

I noticed this:
Mighty Mini-Con #7
How many of these has he ACTUALLY had that happened? One?

[Danny Donovan]

I thought Lloyd made a great Klingon. "You and your valient crew". So did Christopher Plummer.
Actually the human-looking Klingons were either:
1) a lifestyle most Klingons did not stay as most fads fade so were re-enhansed back to the more frontal lobe look,
2) were enhanced to look more human so could deal with The Federation better,
3) two types of Kilngons races. (which I do not buy). I got this from the official Star Trek website.
I had heard that the Tribbles somehow effected the Klingons.
Now back to our regularly scheduled Olney thread.


Not to deviate any further but the Tribble thing was also nodded to when TNG did their version of "trouble with tribbles" and Worf was unnerved by them for reasons he didn't want to share. :p

JT you are right! Ricardo wasn't in fact Klingon! He just dressed like 'em. ;)

[khuxford]

While we're having fanperson moments, I should say that Blood Syndicate made my early 20s a lot more enjoyable, and ChrisCross's art was a large part of that. I also still miss his Captain Marvel.

I found a bunch of comics that were still somehow residing with my mom. I had a lot of classics in there, but the one that had me beaming was the signed issue of Blood Syndicate that ChrisCross put his autograph on at a now-out-of-business comic shop in Menlo Park Mall (in central NJ).

[Danny Donovan]

I noticed this:
Mighty Mini-Con #7
How many of these has he ACTUALLY had that happened? One?

2003 was the last show I ever heard of actually being put on.

I believe he had something this past fall, but it was like a 1 day thing. I seem to remember him going on about something....

[THEDOC]

2003 was the last show I ever heard of actually being put on.

I believe he had something this past fall, but it was like a 1 day thing. I seem to remember him going on about something....

So if he does pull this off wouldn't it be #2??? Oh right we're talking about "Rick".

[Sarah Beach]

I noticed this:
Mighty Mini-Con #7
How many of these has he ACTUALLY had that happened? One?

I think there was one before the infamous 2003 one (since that was billed as the second one, I think).

2004 didn't happen (heart attack)

2005?

2006 - didn't happen, deaths in family & finances.

So, yeah, labelling a 2007 con as #7 is rather funny, given how many didn't happen. Can't imagine how he justifies it -- maybe all that's needed is to plan or intend to have a con to make it's number "real".

I mean, think about what he's been saying about Tales of the Spooky -- how #2 will come out before #1.

He doesn't really make any sense in this sort of thing. Or any sort of thing.

[THEDOC]

Not to deviate any further but the Tribble thing was also nodded to when TNG did their version of "trouble with tribbles" and Worf was unnerved by them for reasons he didn't want to share. :p

Yes and I think there was a story written somewhere that when Scotty transported the Tribbles to the Klingon ship it infected them and brought about their present look which is why Klingons hate them so much and Worf won't talk about it.
I want to know what happend to them at the end of the DS9 episode?

JT you are right! Ricardo wasn't in fact Klingon! He just dressed like 'em. ;)

Fake chest and all.

[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

Actually Danny, Ricardo's character (Khan) was a genetically enhanced human, not a Klingon. But you could reference Michael Ansara (and a slew of other actors, but I can't think of another name at this time) as a pre-frontal lobe Klingon... But I still had a difficult time accepting Christopher Lloyd as a Klingon, new makeup job or not. I kept waiting for him to blurt out a Rev Jim style "Okey Doke" everytime he and Shatner had a discussion.

Very correct.

"On Earth....I was a prince..." - Khan Noonien Singh.

And yes Mr. Ansara played the one and only Klingon Commander Kang. He was also married to Barbra Eden at one time. AND he was the voice of Mr. Freeze in Batman: The Animated Series. Cool guy.

Some other Klingons:

John Colicos, who also played Baltar on the orginal Battlestar Galactica.

Tige Andrews, who also played Capt. Adam Greer on The Mod Sqaud.

William Campbell, who was the star of the horror classic Dementia 13 and was reportedly the actor who replaced the dead Paul McCartney.

Hey I can't help knowing this stuff. I just do.

[THEDOC]

Can't imagine how he justifies it -- maybe all that's needed is to plan or intend to have a con to make it's number "real".

Well this IS "Rick" we are talking about, in his universe I guess you can count the "could have been" ones.

[Reverend Smooth]

(c'mon... fan's and cheeleaders? that's gotta be one of the only funny thing's he's said in this thread yet! And not funny ha ha... but funny in the fact that he probably really thinks he HAS any!)
Not 'friends'-- fans and cheerleaders.

Good to know how people 'round these parts are regarded.

As for sticking their noses in his business- the community's got to watch out for each others' backs. When his business is fucking over other people in order to aggrandize his own fanboyish dreams, it's the responsibility of the people getting screwed to help warn others.

This is messing with people's livelihoods, here. I've been taken advantage of by an ostensibly-reputable company in the publishing industry before. That meant that I couldn't pay for my medicine because that work was for nothing. It meant I couldn't cover my food. I had (and still have) a severe chronic illness and these people absolutely did not care. I puked blood in my toilet for weeks because of that. It set my recovery back months. Why? So some jerk could squeeze a grand's profit out of me because he was too lame to cover his own bills?

Sure, not everybody's spewing blood, but they've got rent to pay. Families to feed. Bills to cover. Maybe their kids are sick. Maybe they're trying to pay for mom's cancer treatment. Maybe they're trying to fix their debt. And they, artists, writers, creators, are the lifeblood of the industry. And screwing them over, not paying them for their hard work - because comics is a business, not a hobby - is wrong.

It is cheap.

It is lame.

And it is fucking over the very industry which you are purporting to try to save.

Every single person who stood up for themselves, spoke up about it, to help protect their fellow artists, did the right thing. I'm gonna say it directly- we are not peons - past, present, or future - in your self-aggrandizement scheme, Olney. We are not stupid. We are not mindless grunts to be used up and thrown away like trash, and you cannot intimidate the community with your ill-thought, ill-worded, ignorant, half-assed, and cowardly tactics.

Grownups don't spend every last moment talking about themselves like they're gods. They don't refer to people as their 'cheerleaders'. How patronising can you get?

By acting in such an arrogant manner, you are harming the industry. You look like an egomaniacal fanboy to anyone with an iota of intelligence. You're trying to expand the comic readership? Do it by not acting like every worst stereotype about the comic community. How uncool do you think it is to be an unkempt, boorish braggart?

I've been reasonably quiet in the thread, and let others address you directly, because comics is a field into which I'm just breaking in, because I haven't paid my dues yet to the community and I don't want to come off like a complete know-it-all cunt. (And I apologise to the good people in this thread if I have given that impression.)

But I've worked for fifteen years in the art business and I DO know that not paying people, and then making excuses about it, over and over and over, is wrong. Threatening to sue them, to kick their asses, because they finally start speaking up, is wrong. Taking credit for others' work is wrong. Blaming them for it is wrong. Discrediting them for it just because you got caught in a major screwup is wrong.

It is unprofessional.

You do it to enough people, and you will get caught. You can't just abuse the new talent and expect them to come back. You can't abuse older talent and expect them not to start warning others.

I don't know why you don't know this, because any intelligent person would.

Get some humility. Apologise and pay people off. I'm an invalid and I am working 20-hour days to make sure that my people get paid, because that's what responsible adults do. If I can do that, then you can get off your ass and get a job and pay people what you owe them.

And you can not whine and make excuses about it. It's easy to pay people long distance. Western union money to people. Send an email, settle on a password and some identifying info, and fire away the monies.

And lastly, hiding behind a supposed lawyer when you're the one in the wrong is something that sissies, not 'patriots', do. It takes a real man to step up, admit that he fucked up, and make it right.

I bet you that a lot of people might forgive you if you did that.

And if you threaten me physically like you have others, I'll gladly give you my address. You can come down anytime.

[THEDOC]

William Campbell, who was the star of the horror classic Dementia 13 and was reportedly the actor who replaced the dead Paul McCartney.

Hey I can't help knowing this stuff. I just do.

Didn't Campbell paly the "Q"-like creature in the original series?
Paul McCartney, really?

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Total Eclipse is #1 on my personal list of least-reprintable comics. Not only do you have a writer who wish the project had never existed, and not only would reprinting it require permission from the owners of a lot of different characters who appeared in it (some of whom think their characters were not particularly well treated in it), but also one of those characters is Miracleman, who probably has the most muddled rights situation in all of comics.
But I think the real punctuation at the end of that company was when their ads included hidden messages from one of the key folks there, accusing her s.o., another key person, of infidelity.
--Nat (who owns one of the splash pages, the Miracleman one, and thus may have some of your work.)

Yeah, it was a train wreck. I always love Sienkewicz covers--a major saving grace, but poor Fred Burke was doing his best as editor, God bless him. I won't say anything bad about Bo Hampton, as he's a pretty nice guy, except to thank the stars he's gotten closer to his brother's skill level over the last few years. his idea of pencils back then were breakdowns with shading on them--no finesse, and everything looked rushed. Rick Bryant, while a freaking genius with a brush, is a VERY literal inker, and ain't gonna fix it for you. The layouts I did finished pencils over, I fixed. Bo got mad because it didn't match with what he was doing, but candidly, Fred told me they were the best pages in three and four--the issues I worked on, and also told me he'd try to give me more work. Then Eclipse imploded, and I got a job as a Bouncer, then went into animation and commercial art. i'd been in a band for six years before, and felt, 'Hey--I gave it a shot'. Then, years later, I realized telling stories was all I really wanted to do with the rest of my life, and here I am.

I did do a splash in issue four (I think) of Miracleman being sucked down a Time Vortex, with misc. characters, and another panel somewhere. It was more of a suggestion than a layout, actually. Thus, am I (in my pitiful way) one of the few artists to draw Miracleman in a comic book. The most fun were the Mr. Monster pages in issue three. Bo had a hissy fit and had another artist make the figure more like Gilbert (I was going for the Dave Dorman style--to 'fuse' an in-between Michael and Bo's art)--after his only advice had been "have fun with it."

[khuxford]

hahahahahaha!

Oh, my god, he's so stupid.

Yikes.

That's the funniest thing in the history of funny things.

And man, is he way off base about who sent me emails recently! ;)

Rick, you're my favorite idiot hack deadbeat moron monkey!

Gail

The most hilarious thing? You keep your writing job and popularity by being a bully online. I can easily say that more than half the people who read your comic books don't even know that this thread or your forum exist! LOL How does your bullying keep them reading?

[JTPencils]

"Mr. Eldred is wanting to be paid and hasn't compromised himself regarding his NDA understanding with my company, TightLip Entertainment." - Rick Olney


This also seems to be the point of contention in regards to my payment. What I can't quite understand (nor get peanut to explain)... is in what fashion I "compromised" myself regarding his NDA. I have been told (threatened?) that since I "compromised myself in regards to the NDA"... that it's basically tough cookies to my payment. I've asked how, in what way, when...

But...

No answer... well... not that him refusing to answer straightforward questions is anything new.

[Cam63]

Get outta my head, Joanne! I was just thinking that same exact thing! ;)

Seriously, someone who is close to him NEEDS to get him some help. Immediately. I do fear for the safety of anyone involved here, as this man is clearly completely off his rocker. He is obsessed, and obsessed people have a high chance of becoming dangerous.

He's made physical threats against people here already. Some blatent and some VERY thinly veiled.

Be careful, all. Please.

~Bev
Who still thinks his iKill picture was intended as a threat.

I feel likewise.

[Danny Donovan]

That was a damn good post Reverend. I salute you! *salute*

[Papergirl]

I feel likewise.
Thanks, Cam. At least I'm not alone in that.

~Bev

[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

Didn't Campbell paly the "Q"-like creature in the original series?
Paul McCartney, really?

Yes, I neglected to mention that Campbell also played Trelane as well. He was one of several actors to do more than one episode of the orginal series.

And yes, have you never heard of the Paul is Dead conspriacy?

The story was that Paul had a fatal car accident (supposedly detailed in the song Day in the Life) and was replaced by the actor William Campbell (with some cosmetic surgery).

And even though they were covering up all of this tragedy, they slipped in all kinds of clues in their songs and album covers and such.

Fans are the craaaaziest peeples.

[Reverend Smooth]

That was a damn good post Reverend. I salute you! *salute*
Thank you very much. ^^;

[Cam63]

Yep.

The bastard should be frisked if he turns up at any convention.

[Sarah Beach]

Didn't Campbell paly the "Q"-like creature in the original series?
Paul McCartney, really?

Yes, Campbell played the Squire of Gothos.

And also, in Wrath of Khan -- um... that was all Montalban. He worked out a lot prior to the production. There's an interview with him about it, and he was laughing at the rumor that it was prosthetic.

Yeah.... thread drift.

Anyway... I'm still wondering what "legal cause" I have to be a target of the peanut's. I mean, I know full well that I made his shit list by being smarter than him, and not intimidated by him. But in his previous outburst, he'd said I'd posted untruths, and I was wondering what he was claiming they were.

(I don't really expect him to cite anything specific, since it's not there to be cited. But, I mean, come on, if he really want to try and scare me, he's going to have to get a heck of a lot more specific than vaguely saying I've been stating falsehoods. Hey ho.)

[Danny Donovan]

Yep.

The bastard should be frisked if he turns up at any convention.

Well considering his christmas cards are from the NRA gift shop, I don't think that'd be a bad idea Cam. ;)

[THEDOC]

And yes, have you never heard of the Paul is Dead conspriacy?

The story was that Paul had a fatal car accident (supposedly detailed in the song Day in the Life) and was replaced by the actor William Campbell (with some cosmetic surgery).

And even though they were covering up all of this tragedy, they slipped in all kinds of clues in their songs and album covers and such.

Fans are the craaaaziest peeples.

Oh yeah, I used to play "Number Nine" backwards "Turn me on deadman" (this is when we had record players for you youngin's out there) and looked at the album cover for clues and the story explained why he dumped his long time girlfriend and hooked up with Linda. I just didn't know about the Campbell connection.
Remember..."I buried Paul"...no it was "Cranberry sause". :D :cool:

[Papergirl]

Yep.

The bastard should be frisked if he turns up at any convention.
Even better: He should be turned away before he even gets out of his "van of Justice", or whatever the hell he calls it.

~Bev

[Danny Donovan]

Anyway... I'm still wondering what "legal cause" I have to be a target of the peanut's. I mean, I know full well that I made his shit list by being smarter than him, and not intimidated by him. But in his previous outburst, he'd said I'd posted untruths, and I was wondering what he was claiming they were.

(I don't really expect him to cite anything specific, since it's not there to be cited. But, I mean, come on, if he really want to try and scare me, he's going to have to get a heck of a lot more specific than vaguely saying I've been stating falsehoods. Hey ho.)

You're an intelligent, and talented woman. As you know in the Olneyverse that is a crime that carries a long imprisonment, and a flogging in the parking lot of McDonald's. :p

[Papergirl]

Well considering his christmas cards are from the NRA gift shop, I don't think that'd be a bad idea Cam. ;)
See, that's exactly what has me concerned.

~Bev

[THEDOC]

Anyway... I'm still wondering what "legal cause" I have to be a target of the peanut's. I mean, I know full well that I made his shit list by being smarter than him, and not intimidated by him. But in his previous outburst, he'd said I'd posted untruths, and I was wondering what he was claiming they were.

(I don't really expect him to cite anything specific, since it's not there to be cited. But, I mean, come on, if he really want to try and scare me, he's going to have to get a heck of a lot more specific than vaguely saying I've been stating falsehoods. Hey ho.)

I think being on this thread and helping others here is target enough for him.

[THEDOC]

You're an intelligent, and talented woman. As you know in the Olneyverse that is a crime that carries a long imprisonment, and a flogging in the parking lot of McDonald's. :p

What he said! :cool:

[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

"Mr. Eldred is wanting to be paid and hasn't compromised himself regarding his NDA understanding with my company, TightLip Entertainment." - Rick Olney


This also seems to be the point of contention in regards to my payment. What I can't quite understand (nor get peanut to explain)... is in what fashion I "compromised" myself regarding his NDA. I have been told (threatened?) that since I "compromised myself in regards to the NDA"... that it's basically tough cookies to my payment. I've asked how, in what way, when...

But...

No answer... well... not that him refusing to answer straightforward questions is anything new.


Heck he finally admitted at least once that Chuck Dixon never signed an NDA and yet he still tosses his name in the list of those who broke it and won't get paid.

The bottom line seems to be that anyone who dared speak ill of him publicly broke the NDA (whether they signed one or not) and are on his list to be sued and not paid.

I believe it is as simple and deluded as that.

[OzBat!]

Cheek? That's a 6'9" 275-lb. flabby white behind, I'll have you know!

kdbAh. 'Cheeks', plural. Got it!

[Papergirl]

I think being on this thread and helping others here is target enough for him.
*dingdingding!!!*

We have a winnah!!

~Bev

[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

Oh yeah, I used to play "Number Nine" backwards "Turn me on deadman" (this is when we had record players for you youngin's out there) and looked at the album cover for clues and the story explained why he dumped his long time girlfriend and hooked up with Linda. I just didn't know about the Campbell connection.
Remember..."I buried Paul"...no it was "Cranberry sause". :D :cool:

Yup! Indeed so. Its a fun game to play. 28IF.

[THEDOC]

*dingdingding!!!*

We have a winnah!!

~Bev

Thank you. At least I didn't get a "Whammy". or a "Olney".

[THEDOC]

Yup! Indeed so. Its a fun game to play. 28IF.

That is why Paul made his folowup album in the late eightes with the a same Abbey Road street scene.
Rick Olney=Helter Skelter!

[Cam63]

The bastard should be frisked if he turns up at any convention.

Well considering his christmas cards are from the NRA gift shop, I don't think that'd be a bad idea Cam. ;)

...AND he should be frisked by Chris Cross.