Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[Matt Doc Martin]

And after reading through 20 some pages after his threat directed at me, do I find anything about what he's mad at me about now?


If that's what's bugging you today, I just find it sooooooo interesting. You don't want people to pay attention to that?

And Gail.... I think the thing he wanted to push way down the board was the copy of his blog - you know, where he sniped at the young actor for speaking up, calling him "person" condescendingly, and snitting about his "internet life". Because since he called Michael, and Michael retracted his very mild comments, he doesn't want anyone remembering what HE said about Michael. Pfft.


Maybe we will have adjoining cells.

And I will PM you something you will find VERY interesting.

[Sarah Beach]

Maybe we will have adjoining cells.

And I will PM you something you will find VERY interesting.

Matt, if we have adjoining cells, I know I will have entertaining and interesting company!

Look forward to the PM.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Matt, if we have adjoining cells, I know I will have entertaining and interesting company!

Look forward to the PM.

And Papergirl is making a cake with a file. So we will have cake and a way to keep our nails smooth!

[Cam63]

I'm sure he's talking with his (snicker) 'fans,' and trying to figure out how to gift-wrap his waste. You know, big time wheeler-dealer stuff.

Gail

He has a ready supply of ziplock bags.

[Koben Kelly]

ok ALL of you saw me tell Rick numerous times that I would comply with his wishes all he had to do was give me his lawyers contact info right??????.

Ro, we all saw you tell him that several times. Each time he dodged your post, and each time he repeated your instructions, as if you hadn't replied.

If you ever, ever, EVER run into him... I'm hoping you're wearing your UNITY ring.

---Koben

[Matt Doc Martin]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/docmartin72/SP32-20070112-231942.jpg

[Kurt Busiek]

And Gail.... I think the thing he wanted to push way down the board was the copy of his blog - you know, where he sniped at the young actor for speaking up, calling him "person" condescendingly, and snitting about his "internet life". Because since he called Michael, and Michael retracted his very mild comments, he doesn't want anyone remembering what HE said about Michael. Pfft.

Let's find out. Here's what he said:

Originally Posted by Rick

Empty lives. They all most certainly live empty lives...

So it began as a simple need to place a pay schedule aside long enough to grieve for my own mother that had died. That was July 27, 2006. As you can imagine, people were not happy that I needed to drop off the Internet to grieve.

A little more than 10 days later, we lost our niece to an early death at age 26 due to an aggressive internal infection that nobody knew that she had. Sadly, after being hospitalized, she died in her sleep before treatment could help.

After a two family deaths so close together, it was a little tough even feeling like I had the interest or energy to get back to work. If not for the friendship of a woman named Ronee Garcia Bourgeois, I would've most likely fallen astray quicker. Ms. Bourgeois involved herself exactly just prior to the death of my mother last July. It happened so that she never bothered to sign her non-disclosure agreement or return her signed contract. This was odd, because she had also (during that time) negotiated on behalf of two separate clients of hers. But along came the fall and on one day in December she resigned a position that she actually had never had. See, in order to work for my company and be financially compensated...you need to agree in writing, first via the NDA, and secondly by signing and returning your contract. I mean, if you're serious about the job and getting paid for actual work done.

So flash forward...

My company at that time was in the midst of guiding the stages of being able to publish a niche horror comic called Tales of The Spooky. We also construct and manage a yearly pop arts and comics event called the Mighty Mini-Con, along with having a hand in bringing back a fandom group (ORCA, aka Organized Readers of Comics Associated) that began advocating the comic book to be created for younger readers during a time when the younger reader was slowly being edged out by publishers no longer actively seeking to entertain younger readers. I wasn't alone in these endeavors then, no more than I'm alone today in continuing those efforts. So the reason for my blog post is, you ask?

Read on!

I know that I have no excuses. I attempted this very day to begin to make amends to a couple people, but because they didn't have it in them to understand that I wanted to right the wrongs -- it now looks like they go back into the waiting room. The "waiting room" is where my very real attorney is sorting through the day-to-day posts, coupled with the legality of the various personal attacks, invasion of privacy issues, and stalking involved. I guess people now don't believe in him either.

And why don't they?

I'd have to point a finger towards that female online known as "Gail Simone", a writer of comic books and other things I'm sure. Here is some of her handiwork:

"VERY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT.

I've been told that there's a rumor, or a bit more than a rumor, that Rick is going around to people he's cheated asking them to remove their posts here and elsewhere.

The same, "maybe I'll pay you someday, but probably not, but I DEFINITELY won't pay you as long as those messages stay up" rhetoric is being used. Guys, he is still threatening people, continuing to cheat them, AND insulting them, he's just taken it all to private correspondence.

To those who have had the courage to come forward, I ask you not to delete your posts. They are the ONLY reason Rick won't easily be allowed to cheat and threaten people again. If you think complying with Rick's wishes will get you paid, I ask you to think of all the people here he's owed money to for years that he made no effort to pay whatsoever, and come to your own conclusion.

HOWEVER. If you decide to cave on this, for whatever reasons, I'm begging you to at the very least save your posts and any responses from Rick. It is the only chance you will ever see money out of this man, and it's a very very slim chance at that.

Don't delete. If you do, for your own protection, you MUST save your posts, so you have a record of his behavior, threats, insults, and untruths.

Just posting a head's up. Rick thinks he can get out of this by further manipulating people he's already badly mistreated.

Wrong, Rick. The only way out of this with even a chance of redemption is paying the people you owe, like any DECENT person of HONOR would, and apologizing for your gross neglect of any sort of honest business practices.

PAY THESE PEOPLE.

Gail"

It appears that "Gail Simone" has taken it upon herself, seemingly with the willing support of her website forum provider, to appoint herself some official capacity in my personal matters of talented creators involved with my company. I know many of you are repeat readers of my blog posts, so you're pretty much also reading that libelous message board thread that has spun off into different other areas to impune and demean me personally. Doesn't anyone know that saying such things about people crosses the line of a personal opinion and is actually illegal? Well, I guess some people will also learn a lesson the hard way. I mean, how does "Gail Simone" expect me to pay those people that are free and clear to be paid -- when she continually advises them to scorn me and have nothing to do with me? And in her last sentence she states and suggests that my next move should be, "apologizing for your gross neglect of any sort of honest business practices."

Anyway, there will be no apologies forthcoming. Least wise, not until I'm advised to apologize for putting up with all the culpable lies and half truths stated about me. I can't divulge much more, and yes... I'll be getting bitched out tomorrow by my (thought-to-be imaginary) attorney. I thought this an important subject to respond to in this manner and fashion.

Wow! Old ORCA member surfaces!

Michael Climek Says:
01/25/07 at 10:32 am

"At first I just saw the picture and thought "Oh, I wonder if that's the Herkimer in upstate NY near where I'm from" and then I was embarrassed as I read the name Rick Olney and realized it was indeed the same herkimer.

This seems so strange to me whenever I read about as I was there for the gestation of Orca- I was a member back when it was called the Utica Comics Club. I was but 11 or 12 at the time, and they gave out free comics at their meetings.

If that wasn't freaking awesome I don't know what is.

I don't know when this dude went crazy. I guess maybe he was always crazy but it wasn't a big deal when he didn't try to run conventions or publish comics. When he was just trying to sit around with some comics readers and talk about comics for a few hours twice a month, no harm done.

Now I just feel sort of embarrassed by the fact that I know him, and some comics that I thought were totally awesome when I was a wee lad came from his foolish group. Maybe I"ll put that autographed copy of Gambit and the X-ternals up on ebay, just to get rid of it's dirty scent.

Yeah, Age of Apocalypse was hot stuff when I was a wee lad."</I>

So this Mike Climek person stumbles across some substance on the Internet, and doing what most people might do, falls' prey to swallowing it all word-for-word. 'Course, his next step is to feel compelled to reply, but my sources tell me that there is more to Mr. Climek's motivation for responding. And look, it only took him 10-11 years to become cynical and have nothing more than an online identity for a life.

I guess what really got my attention was that I didn't recall him immediately. So I did some looking back and found the meeting sign in sheets. Just proves that, back then... he craved comics. Now, he craves the attention that his posting deserves.

So also today...

"Gail Simone" gathered up the energy to post the following, "I predict right now, that not only will Rick never publish a comic, I predict Orca and the Mighty Mini Con are both dead and gone. He ruined his own reputation far, far too much for the community to ever support him."

"Gail" you deserve to be proven wrong, again, before facing any legal difficulties sure to come your way. So I'll counter your prediction by sharing with my readers and supporters that I'll have two books published before the planned June 2007Mighty Mini-Con, along with the re-introduction of Organized Readers of Comics Associated (ORCA) within fandom, and one last surprise that I'm saving for later this coming spring.
You're a very hate filled person, in my opinion. I feel sorry for you, but no degree of vigilante justice by you and your YABS goon squad will change anything where my personal business dealings are concerned.

Next: We'll talk about the ICC, SPA, and all things small press. Be there!

That's also the blog post where he says he has no excuses...

kdb

[Cam63]

LOL! Well I am of French-Canadian and Native American decent so I am sure I am alien to him.:D

*Sound of 12 gauge shotgun been ratcheted*

Rick Olney: " Yew better git back on thuh reservashun, Chief. "

[Matt Doc Martin]

Let's find out. Here's what he said:



That's also the blog post where he says he has no excuses...

kdb

You got a PM too.

[sk716]

Matt, can u email the copies of Ricks posts on this thread? I will need them afterall.

They're all right here for easy searching and viewing.

http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/mediagallery/album.php?aid=7&page=1

Except the missing 25... still waiting on copies of those.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Ah, the attention-seeking douchemeister keeps showing up. How unsurprising. Even less exciting, he keeps spouting incomprehensible bullshit and empty threats.

[Gail Simone]

Ten to one odds he doesn't even come back tonight.

He's just that gutless.

Gail

[Sarah Beach]

I still want to know what I did to piss him off today.








:evilsmile
Because I'd be happy to do some more. All legally, mind you! ;)

[Cam63]

Hmm... Maybe next week.

[OzBat!]

He was "called" to dinner. I thought he wasn't working a day job right now... does that mean he's making his wife cook as well as earn a living?

[Kurt Busiek]

You got a PM too.

"That's So Rick!"

This Fall, on Court TV!

kdb

[Cam63]

Ah, the attention-seeking douchemeister keeps showing up. How unsurprising. Even less exciting, he keeps spouting incomprehensible bullshit and empty threats.

I love how he still thinks using inverted commas around Gail's name is a way to wound her or make others doubt her credibility.

Fuckin' tool.

[hellokittykat]

He was "called" to dinner. I thought he wasn't working a day job right now... does that mean he's making his wife cook as well as earn a living?

Huh.
I figured that was his mom calling him to dinner.

[wishlish]

I'm afraid you won't be that lucky, "Gail" ...as I plan on being around comics for at least another 30 years. :D

Do you plan on paying ANYONE in the next 30 years? ANYONE?

AS far as I've seen:
1. You've left substantial debts with 3 comics stores, one of which sued you (it's public record, Rick)
2. You have numerous artists, including some who've signed your NDA, who you've not paid
3. You've not paid Ronee by claiming she never signed a contract. If so, why did you accept her work? That's fraud.
4. You've suckered your poor wife into liability on half of this, while publicly trying to badmouth her, too.
5. You've blamed all this on your poor, dead mother. How many more relatives will die so that you can blame your future failures on her? Shame on you!
6. You've lied about having an attorney; no attorney is on record for the lawsuits that have been filed against you. If you have an attorney, wouldn't you use him/her when you've been sued?

[Matt Doc Martin]

Huh.
I figured that was his mom calling him to dinner.

People like him aren't birthed...they are spawned.

[wishlish]

"Gail"
More to the truth, it is you that is done. I've sat back and watched you vilify and story spin, touting lie upon lie and I'm no less disgusted in your professional behavior. Be sure to read my next blog, as it touches upon what I'm going to learn today regarding your hateful online attacks. I feel sorry for you and people like Sarah Beach. Trolls like the many posting here in this oversized gutters cesspool are at home, but you and Sarah have an agenda of hate and it will consume you.

I know of nothing in the website rules here that allows such actions. So this is the sad poor exception. Get your story straight, and have Mr. Waid in your back pocket. You're going to need him.

Looks like tonight's meltdown night.

Hey, Rick, does your attorney know you're posting tonight? Does your wife?

[Paul D. Storrie]

Ok, I am not questioning Gail's honesty....in fact, I am 99% sure I am defending it. :D

Sorry if it sounded like I was suggesting that. I wasn't.

I try to be an honest person as well, and if the lemming proves to me that Gail lied, I will leave. But I like this board and don't want to be caught on a technicality.

I don't think there's a chance in Hell that Gail lied about anything in this thread. Nor anyone else, besides Olney the Lonely. The best he'll be able to come up with is, PERHAPS, someone who was mistaken about something.

Of course, anyone but Olney, confronted with having made a mistake, would admit it. Whereas Olney, when confronted with having flat out lied, denies, dodges, threatens and lies some more.

PDS

[Koben Kelly]

I'm afraid you won't be that lucky, "Gail" ...as I plan on being around comics for at least another 30 years. :D

Being around comics is not the same as being in the biz.

The magazine stocker at Borders is around comics.

No one's going to give you another chance to fuck them over, moron.

And, please, just give it up with the threats. No one's scared. No one's threatened. That sound you hear behind you... that's reality coming to give you a kickass check... and it ain't gonna be for you to cash.

[Momma Absurd]

Just wanted to drop in and say hello, been busy with alot going on nad haven't been around much.....hope everyone is keeping warm and staying sane.....

Momma

[wishlish]

"Gail" ... you will learn a terribly hard lesson in the weeks and months to come. I suspect that you are as beloved as you are as a writer because people can't see the real ugly and twisted side to your personality.
You believe that you can continue to use hatred in making the matter concerning the talents that I owe better. Fine. Choke on it. Because you will.
Are you threatening a woman again?

You have no class.

[Corrina]

You'll notice he's consistently saved his most vile insults for the women in this thread.

A sick, sick man.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Just wanted to drop in and say hello, been busy with alot going on nad haven't been around much.....hope everyone is keeping warm and staying sane.....

Momma


Any word from the lawyer you guys are using?

[Matt Doc Martin]

You'll notice he's consistently saved his most vile insults for the women in this thread.

A sick, sick man.

He calls women names and promises men "surprises".

The man has got his signals crossed.

[Koben Kelly]

Ronee, I'm not discussing your situation or ANY of the specific talent under work-for-hire with me here. Your credibility is just as shot with me as you claim to dislike, distrust and abhor me. Fine. Just re-read your emails of yesterday, because that is that last I'll be communicating with you. You'll be dealt with fairly. But I'm not handling it.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIRBALL!! AAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIRRBAAALL!!

[THEDOC]

*Sound of 12 gauge shotgun been ratcheted*

Rick Olney: " Yew better git back on thuh reservashun, Chief. "

"Don't call me Chief!!!!!!"

[Danny Donovan]

Naw, to him we are Borg. Hmmm...how come the Borg and the Dominion never clashed?

Now I'm missing new Star Trek.......they need to get a new show on the air that doesn't suck.

They were in different quadrants. Remember Q transported the Enterprise to the delta quadrant to speed up their meeting with the Borg and zapped them back, thus alerting the Borg to their presence and making a reoccuring villian for the next 7 years.

Deep Space 9 was set in the Gamma Quadrant, where the Dominion and the founders were. As I understand, the Borg have yet to bother with the Gamma Quadrant.

Star Trek Voyager took place in the Delta quadrant, so it was lousy with Borg (and honestly I liked the show before it jumped the shark) But I would assume it'd be damn near impossible to "assimilate" the Dominion being that they were shapechangers and so no "augmentation" would ever stick. So being that they were unable to become Borg they were deemed an unworthy race, and the Borg only aknowldege things that either threaten them or could be of use to them.

Hence why you could walk around their ship and wave your hand right in front of their face without getting killed as long as you didn't try to harm anyone. They wouldn't even notice you were there.

(and yes, I'm a dweeb.)

Are you kidding? Ricky-Boy's entire reality is imaginary. He's Barry Allen, and we're the freaking Rogue's Gallery.

Skill, talent, intelligence, originality and creativity are another story. I won't even get started on sanity.

I call dibs on being Mirror Master. I do a decent Scottish accent.

http://offlinehbpl.hbpl.co.uk/news/RB/517910_1.jpg

...and it has Olney's brains for genitals.

Dude! That was mean.... I mean you know, to the frog.



Now, see.... he spends his day spreading this kind of garbage. I spent my day laying plans for publishing a non-fiction book, and strategizing how to publicize it, and sell it. Which reminds me, I need to go send an email to my friend (and he really is, peanut) Steve Lieber, about commissioning something from him for that project.

If you want some help with the publicity, let me know I'm pretty good at that. lol.

Oh I had a big long post about this silliness but after all that reading my brain hurts trying to comprehend half this stuff...

[Momma Absurd]

Any word from the lawyer you guys are using?

All I know is that he left and went to the Mohawk Valley for over a week, and he came back Wednesday evening late. I know that he did go see the district attorney there but I don't know what all happened as of yet. I just hope that he got enough done so that this can be dealt with and Mr. Onery taken care of legally. I can't believe all the venom he has spewed on so many people. He truly needs some professional help and in the worst way.

I do know that his office told me that they were still coping all the posts that were on here and keeping up with all the copies. According to the paralegal I spoke with, she said that the office has several admissions of guilt in his posts, and more than enough threats to others to really set him back. I just hope its soon. I do know that his social security number was traced along with some other background information but she couldn't tell me over the phone what all was going on. Wish I had more to tell you.

Momma

[Koben Kelly]

send it to my gmail addy, thanks... I will be using a real lawyer to take this man to court.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAALL!!

[THEDOC]

Ten to one odds he doesn't even come back tonight.

He's just that gutless.

Gail

Ah man, a "Too be continued" episode.

[THEDOC]

They were in different quadrants. Remember Q transported the Enterprise to the delta quadrant to speed up their meeting with the Borg and zapped them back, thus alerting the Borg to their presence and making a reoccuring villian for the next 7 years.

Deep Space 9 was set in the Gamma Quadrant, where the Dominion and the founders were. As I understand, the Borg have yet to bother with the Gamma Quadrant.

Star Trek Voyager took place in the Delta quadrant, so it was lousy with Borg (and honestly I liked the show before it jumped the shark) But I would assume it'd be damn near impossible to "assimilate" the Dominion being that they were shapechangers and so no "augmentation" would ever stick. So being that they were unable to become Borg they were deemed an unworthy race, and the Borg only aknowldege things that either threaten them or could be of use to them.

Hence why you could walk around their ship and wave your hand right in front of their face without getting killed as long as you didn't try to harm anyone. They wouldn't even notice you were there.

(and yes, I'm a dweeb.)







Aren't we all?
Thanks for the info I never paid attention to what quadrant which show was in. That did clear up some questions except why do the Romulans llook different on the new shows than the original. Or did "Rick" have something to do with that?

[THEDOC]

All I know is that he left and went to the Mohawk Valley for over a week, and he came back Wednesday evening late. I know that he did go see the district attorney there but I don't know what all happened as of yet. I just hope that he got enough done so that this can be dealt with and Mr. Onery taken care of legally. I can't believe all the venom he has spewed on so many people. He truly needs some professional help and in the worst way.

I do know that his office told me that they were still coping all the posts that were on here and keeping up with all the copies. According to the paralegal I spoke with, she said that the office has several admissions of guilt in his posts, and more than enough threats to others to really set him back. I just hope its soon. I do know that his social security number was traced along with some other background information but she couldn't tell me over the phone what all was going on. Wish I had more to tell you.

Momma


Great report Momma. Will be happy to me you and Tim in person. in March.

[Sparvid]

Since a NDA doesn't prevent the "I haven't been paid for work I did a couple of months back, so I'm going to mention it in public"-things, I'm still wondering about what kind of trade secrets some people "apparently" revealed that resulted in broken NDAs...

[Sarah Beach]

MommaAbsurd, even those little tidbits are yummy! Nice to know that the wheels of justice are indeed grinding.

[Papergirl]

You'll notice he's consistently saved his most vile insults for the women in this thread.

A sick, sick man.
I'd so love for him to come to MegaCon and call me anything like he did here.

~Bev

[Matt Doc Martin]

I'd so love for him to come to MegaCon and call me anything like he did here.

~Bev

Will. Not. Happen.

If he hasn't made arrangements by now, he won't.

edit: And if he DID, he would accuse you, me, and Sam for stalking him. Regardless of how many MegaCons we have all gone to (only 3 for me, mind you, but still) and the fact we actually live close by.

He would make it about him and whine like a bitch.

[Danny Donovan]

Aren't we all?
Thanks for the info I never paid attention to what quadrant which show was in. That did clear up some questions except why do the Romulans llook different on the new shows than the original. Or did "Rick" have something to do with that?

No prob.

There really was no "real" reason for the romulans looking different other than they just got a bigger budget. Same reason the Klingons went from looking like regular humans in the 60s show (remember Ricardo Montoban?) and then looking like Worf by the time TNG came out. (actually the transformation came in one of the trek movies)

Oh, and just as an update for you people following Unscrewed!

Chuck Ronson is donating an unpublished strip from his webcomic for either publication on the uncsrewed site, or in the anthology.

And I got an e-mail from the very talented Ryan Stegman, who draws The Magician for Marvel/Dabel Pro. He says he wishes he had time to draw an 8 pager for someone, but his deadlines have him stuck for time. However he will donate some of his pages for the auction or do a cover or pin up for the anthology.

Also talking to Jim Taylor we thought it might be a cool idea to have him auction off a "design your comic character" service for any wouldbe creators out there. Have their person designed by a pro. So there's another thought for the auction.

[wishlish]

He's as scary as a dead taco.


Actually, if you think about it, wouldn't a live taco be pretty scary?

"Don't eat me! I haven't experienced the world yet! I want to fall in love! Write a book! Travel! Why are you salivating...OH MY GOD! YOU JUST BIT ME! THE PAIN!"

[Larry Dixon]

I love how he still thinks using inverted commas around Gail's name is a way to wound her or make others doubt her credibility.

I heard a rumor about Samuel Clemens.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Actually, if you think about it, wouldn't a live taco be pretty scary?

"Don't eat me! I haven't experienced the world yet! I want to fall in love! Write a book! Travel! Why are you salivating...OH MY GOD! YOU JUST BIT ME! THE PAIN!"


Is that blood or "Fire" sauce?

[Danny Donovan]

Since a NDA doesn't prevent the "I haven't been paid for work I did a couple of months back, so I'm going to mention it in public"-things, I'm still wondering about what kind of trade secrets some people "apparently" revealed that resulted in broken NDAs...

I come from a family of lawyers. I live within walking distance from not only one, but SIX prestigious law firms in my area, most of whom I've grown up with their kids and been invited to the christmas parties etc. Also devouring a lifetime of Steven Bochco dramas, while I am not an EXPERT on legal matters I could very well bullshit my way through a first year case and most likely win.

The NDA is void if the contract is broken. You can't break one contract and enforce another. The NDA is tied to the work for hire deal. Now could you make an NDA that wasn't? yeah, but unless it's expressly written that they are seperate agreements any challenge won't hold up in court.

I've signed NDAs before (not with Rick tho, none of the columnists were ever made to swear a fealty oath) and the non-disclosure is very speciffic in its wording of what kind of agreement it is. You can sign an NDA before interviewing with a top secret development team (either govermental or in the video game industry) or if you are presently working with one, that you will not discuss your business while under contract for x amount of years.

There's no such thing as a "never-ending" NDA (unless you're dealing with state secrets) businesses can only enforce upwards of 5 years because honestly if people don't know what your doing within 5 years you aren't doing it right.

But it cannot be used to hold payments. It can be used to recover monies lost by the telling of secrets that adversly effect your business, but it can not be a retroactive financial compensation. there has to be a written monatary "penalty" in the language of the signed contract otherwise such a penalty does not exist..

[wishlish]

"Do YOU pay yourself?

No.

Of course not. No one from TLE gets paid. Rick doesn't know how to write a check.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Of course not. No one from TLE gets paid. Rick doesn't know how to write a check.

Well, that and TLE doesn't exist anymore.

It took his lawyer. We never even knew the man.

[wishlish]

After reading this thread, I have an embarassing admission to make:

My wife and I love dancing to "Crazy Frog - Axel F".

I'm sorry.

[Danny Donovan]

Well, that and TLE doesn't exist anymore.

It took his lawyer. We never even knew the man.

*pours a 40oz* YOU WERE SO YOUNG YOU MAGINIFECENT BASTARD! *sobs* so talented and fictional. We'll never know the cases you could have tried!

[Matt Doc Martin]

After reading this thread, I have an embarassing admission to make:

My wife and I love dancing to "Crazy Frog - Axel F".

I'm sorry.

You go to hell. You go to hell and you DIE!

[TomStillwell]

Maybe we will have adjoining cells.

And I will PM you something you will find VERY interesting.

Matt, I'll trade you PMs. I have something interesting too.

[Jack Zodiac]

Aw, that motherfucker came back again? Jesus. Someone recap for me! It's late and I spent too much time in another thread. Did he finally get a lawyer?

[CoffeeStained]

JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY...

How did those of you unfortunate enough to encounter Rick actually first come across him? Did he email you, meet you at a con, what?

Just wondering.

GailI've never met him... I pay plumbers to deal with that particular problem.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Ok..enough fun for me tonight.

Rick, if you come back...thanks for answering the few questions you did. You lied about Michael, but that isn't a big shock to me.

I will leave a few more questions for you that you may or may not answer:

1) Do you expect the Ghost Hunters to be at your proposed con?
2) Did you pay anything towards the airfare of the man who accompanied the woman who uses the pen name "Gail Simone"?
3) Why did you dissolve TightLip?
4) How many times have you been served so far this year?
5) What law(s) did I specifically break? (I WILL turn myself in if I did. I have utmost respect for the law...and two of my best friends are cops) You can PM me if you would like...and if you do, I will keep it private, under pain of being banned. (Gail, You have my express order to ban me if I reveal what he says in PM to me)
6) Why did you not give Roneé the information she asked for repeatedly that you HAD promised to give her?
7) Why have you not paid the man who goes by the name "Doc Absurd" the money that you promised him and that you admit you owe when there is no NDA involved?

[AaronJ]

And for those who haven't (and want to):

http://hem.bredband.net/turbo2/the_annoying_thing_320x256.mpg

http://www.agrwebdesign.com/crazyfrog/index2.htm

kdb


Aaaaaand ... what do you guys gather five years of therapy is gonna cost me?

[Matt Doc Martin]

Matt, I'll trade you PMs. I have something interesting too.

Deal.

characterlimit

[Matt Doc Martin]

Ok..enough fun for me tonight.

Rick, if you come back...thanks for answering the few questions you did. You lied about Michael, but that isn't a big shock to me.

I will leave a few more questions for you that you may or may not answer:

1) Do you expect the Ghost Hunters to be at your proposed con?
2) Did you pay anything towards the airfare of the man who accompanied the woman who uses the pen name "Gail Simone"?
3) Why did you dissolve TightLip?
4) How many times have you been served so far this year?
5) What law(s) did I specifically break? (I WILL turn myself in if I did. I have utmost respect for the law...and two of my best friends are cops) You can PM me if you would like...and if you do, I will keep it private, under pain of being banned. (Gail, You have my express order to ban me if I reveal what he says in PM to me)
6) Why did you not give Roneé the information she asked for repeatedly that you HAD promised to give her?
7) Why have you not paid the man who goes by the name "Doc Absurd" the money that you promised him and that you admit you owe when there is no NDA involved?


will someone share this with peanut if he shows back up?

And peanut...I am NOT trying to turn you on. Sorry.

[Papergirl]

will someone share this with peanut if he shows back up?

And peanut...I am NOT trying to turn you on. Sorry.
Yep. Will do. Happily. :D

~Bev

[bert]

"Gail"
More to the truth, it is you that is done.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(snort). . . .


BWA-HAAAAAA-HAAAAAAAAAAA. . .


(hic)


BWAH-HAAAAAAAAAAA-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

excuse me. . I have to go change my pants. . I think I just pissed myself.

[rummblestrips]

I check this thread once a day to see if there have been any more legal actions taken agaist this scum.

Momma Absurd, good to see things are moving along.

Ronee, go get him girl! Don't let him get away with any of this.

Gail, I'm glad that you enjoyed the sketch! lol

I see "HE" came back and as usual, spewed degrading things to the women on the boards, belittled the men and made little sense after the threats were all done. I'm actually surprised he hasn't used the "C" word on any of the gals yet, or maybe that's just a special word for PMs and emails.

You DO know that if and when he gets a lawyer, he's gonna be all, "I had a lawyer the entire time, see see??"
sure.
IF HE HAD A LAWYER, HE WOULDN'T BE STILL POSTING ON THESE BOARDS OR POSTING THOSE WACKO BLOGS FOR HIS IMAGINARY FRIENDS!!!!!

I've seen people dig themselves into holes, I've just never seen people dig themselves so deep, they need backhoes.

Did you guys get any updates from the hospital about his donations?

And don't be too hard on those of us who can't spell. I am a terrible speller, always have been, mainly because I've always written very quickly to get the thoughts and words down, the spelling was never a first priority and I HATE editing. I have my imaginary husband that checks the spelling for me... oh wait.. it's GAIL that has the imaginary husband, sorry.:p

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Dear Mr. Olney,

My name is Raymond Burr, and I am James Ritchey, III's Imaginary Attorney, having died September 12, 1993, not withstanding. Yes, I am a phantom. Through some bizarre twist of fate, in the afterlife I was granted the powers of the fictional character I portrayed for many years, Perry Mason--whose ability it was to so badger witnesses, to the point where they would spontaneously confess their wrongdoing in open court. This sometimes happened randomly in the gallery. Please warn your fictitious Attorney of this skill, and pass on my sentiment that he cannot possibly win if he even hints at thinking about threatening my client ever again, since you are a guilty, guilty man, and will be the defendant. I took on Godzilla--does he really want to go toe to toe with me?

Signed (by Proxy),
Raymond William Stacey Burr,
Homosexual Ghost Imaginary Attorney with
Magical Confession-Inducement Powers

[Papergirl]

I see "HE" came back and as usual, spewed degrading things to the women on the boards, belittled the men and made little sense after the threats were all done. I'm actually surprised he hasn't used the "C" word on any of the gals yet, or maybe that's just a special word for PMs and emails.

He came close with me. I figure I'm in the best of company now, considering the women here he's spewed his venom at.

~Bev
Hey, peanut! Come say that to my face! Dare ya!

[Danny Donovan]

I see "HE" came back and as usual, spewed degrading things to the women on the boards, belittled the men and made little sense after the threats were all done. I'm actually surprised he hasn't used the "C" word on any of the gals yet, or maybe that's just a special word for PMs and emails.

Oh God I hope he doesn't. I have gotten into SO MUCH TROUBLE tearing into assholes that use that word in reference to women. And I'll be damned if I wouldn't do it again and again.

It reminds me of something I heard at a movie theater. There was this woman sitting behind me talkign on her cel phone I was about to turn around and give her 'the evil glare of shut the hell up' (tm and copywrite thankyouverymuch) when I heard her say "I don't MIND going BACK to jail for that bitch" at which point I figured I'd just quietly look for the nearest exit should things get ugly.

The point of that little bon mot is, even when things may not be the smartest actions, sometimes you have to put your foot down for what's right.

It's a terrible and inexcusable word, and those that use it to disparage women are ignorant misogynists who... well I won't finish that thought because it would end with me getting a summons for liable.

the thing is there is NO excuse for this behavior. I've witnessed and experianced it first hand. Always for the same thing, catching someone in a lie.

Once I saw him call Bev a "ho" I damn near lost my composure and wanted to flame a person who would say such a thing. Or Gail a bitch. Now does he say any of these things to males that disagree with him? No, he's rude and semi beligerent but never goes to those levels of name calling, but a woman dares to challenge him, well then... obviously they must have walked straight out of a Frank Miller story.

no excuse for that in a reasonable discourse.

[Hybrid2]

And for those who haven't (and want to):

http://hem.bredband.net/turbo2/the_annoying_thing_320x256.mpg

http://www.agrwebdesign.com/crazyfrog/index2.htm

kdb

My neices(2 and 3 year old) are crazy about it.

fun to see them jump and dance on it.

[Kurt Busiek]

Aaaaaand ... what do you guys gather five years of therapy is gonna cost me?

Oh, c'mon.

Crazy Frog's great. He needs to meet Batman. Judge Dredd. The Punisher. Spawn. Maybe Thor.

Anyone who takes himself too seriously needs a visit.

kdb

[Danny Donovan]

Oh, c'mon.

Crazy Frog's great. He needs to meet Batman. Judge Dredd. The Punisher. Spawn. Maybe Thor.

Anyone who takes himself too seriously needs a visit.

kdb

Actually I liked that video. It was really well produced and humorous. :)

Although I will say, I was once at a club and they had some eurotrashy techno version of Axel F. and I went all grumpy old man on everyone that was in my group.

I was like "THAT IS ONE OF THE ALL TIME BEST MOVIE THEMES AND YOU BASTRADIZED IT! I'LL KILL YOU!" ^_-

But of course everyone I was with has never SEEN beverly hills cop let alone knows what I'm on about.

Modern music makes me angry. :p

[Hybrid2]

Just wanted to drop in and say hello, been busy with alot going on nad haven't been around much.....hope everyone is keeping warm and staying sane.....

Momma

Hey Momma,hope you felling better.

Hard to stay sane here,under normal circonstances,Rick make it harder.

With is "Gail" not being real so dont have to pay her,idea.

Bet he will get a shock when your lawyer find him.

Rick-*i'm sued by (real name)?Momma Absurd? But that's a internet no-person,She cant sue me for real.

And I eraced most of what i said.nothing hapened.

Now go.*point a remote control at lawyer and puch channel.*
*grumble*where's that sexy postwoman?*

[MacQuarrie]

We know that, Mac, or at least we SHOULD. I know plenty of honorable conservatives.

It just seems that the loudest ones are the most bigoted, but I find myself flinching at a lot of idiot liberals, as well.

Gail
I know. I tend to stick these things in as much to scold "checklist conservatives" as to lecture liberals.

[CoffeeStained]

Ok..enough fun for me tonight.

Rick, if you come back...thanks for answering the few questions you did. You lied about Michael, but that isn't a big shock to me.

I will leave a few more questions for you that you may or may not answer:

1) Do you expect the Ghost Hunters to be at your proposed con?
2) Did you pay anything towards the airfare of the man who accompanied the woman who uses the pen name "Gail Simone"?
3) Why did you dissolve TightLip?
4) How many times have you been served so far this year?
5) What law(s) did I specifically break? (I WILL turn myself in if I did. I have utmost respect for the law...and two of my best friends are cops) You can PM me if you would like...and if you do, I will keep it private, under pain of being banned. (Gail, You have my express order to ban me if I reveal what he says in PM to me)
6) Why did you not give Roneé the information she asked for repeatedly that you HAD promised to give her?
7) Why have you not paid the man who goes by the name "Doc Absurd" the money that you promised him and that you admit you owe when there is no NDA involved?8) Rick, why did you lie about Ian Shires being in your employ and why did you lie about having cut him an advance cheque?

That's the one I want answered, because I think it is so funny that he thought he could get away with that lie, only to have the person in question publicly expose it as blatant deception.

[bert]

I know it's rough, Gail, but take heart.

Rick says you're going to learn a terribly hard lesson in the coming weeks.



Is he going to teach her the Macarena?

[MacQuarrie]

As I've said all along: Mock him all you like. Mock him 'til your eyes bleed. But I think it makes more sense to mock him for what he actually did (or, you know, didn't-but-should-have) rather than something pulled out of thin air.
"Did"? Why past tense? Do you think he's made an end of it?

As far as I can see, we're gonna have an ongoing source of mock-worthy antics until the judge's gavel falls. The guy can't learn and can't stop.

[THEDOC]

8) Rick, why did you lie about Ian Shires being in your employ and why did you lie about having cut him an advance cheque?

That's the one I want answered, because I think it is so funny that he thought he could get away with that lie, only to have the person in question publicly expose it as blatant deception.

Gee I missed that, when did he say that?
I want the proof that shows that it was either D_A or I screwing around with Sam's info on MMC.
Oh all this time I thought it was my cataracts making me a bad speller, but no it's just I am a bad typist.

[NatGertler]

Out of curiosity -- when people were following up on that usenet back-and-forth between Nostalgia Zone and "thingvall", did anyone contact Joel Thingvall?

[Gail Simone]

Surprise, surprise, he chickened out again.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is Rick "I am an empty, smelly suit" Olney.

All wind, no lightning.

Gail

[THEDOC]

Dear Mr. Olney,

My name is Raymond Burr, and I am James Ritchey, III's Imaginary Attorney, having died September 12, 1993, not withstanding. Yes, I am a phantom. Through some bizarre twist of fate, in the afterlife I was granted the powers of the fictional character I portrayed for many years, Perry Mason--whose ability it was to so badger witnesses, to the point where they would spontaneously confess their wrongdoing in open court. This sometimes happened randomly in the gallery. Please warn your fictitious Attorney of this skill, and pass on my sentiment that he cannot possibly win if he even hints at thinking about threatening my client ever again, since you are a guilty, guilty man, and will be the defendant. I took on Godzilla--does he really want to go toe to toe with me?

Signed (by Proxy),
Raymond William Stacey Burr,
Homosexual Ghost Imaginary Attorney with
Magical Confession-Inducement Powers



Does that make "Rick" Godzookie?

[rummblestrips]

He came close with me. I figure I'm in the best of company now, considering the women here he's spewed his venom at.

~Bev
Hey, peanut! Come say that to my face! Dare ya!

Yes, I agree.
Together we will form a group of comic women called, "The Canadian American alliance of bitch-hoe strippers" We will travel North America in search for men who need a spanking and chocolate that melts in your hands, not in your mouth.

Yes.. yes we will.
And it will be glorious.

[Papergirl]

Yes, I agree.
Together we will form a group of comic women called, "The Canadian American alliance of bitch-hoe strippers" We will travel North America in search for men who need a spanking and chocolate that melts in your hands, not in your mouth.

Yes.. yes we will.
And it will be glorious.
Sounds like a grand plan to me! I think we need to make up t-shirt for our alliance. With a list of alliance members on the back!

Wait... No... There wouldn't be enough room to list us all!

~Bev

[THEDOC]

Yes, I agree.
Together we will form a group of comic women called, "The Canadian American alliance of bitch-hoe strippers" We will travel North America in search for men who need a spanking and chocolate that melts in your hands, not in your mouth.

Yes.. yes we will.
And it will be glorious.

Wasn't that already done at WW-Chicago a couple of years ago? MMMM must have been Nino.

[neko onna]

Yes, I agree.
Together we will form a group of comic women called, "The Canadian American alliance of bitch-hoe strippers" We will travel North America in search for men who need a spanking and chocolate that melts in your hands, not in your mouth.

Yes.. yes we will.
And it will be glorious.

Why do i have no doubt you will make this happen..LOL

YOU RULE!

[JeffreyWKramer]

People like him aren't birthed...they are spawned.

Or crapped out.

[Papergirl]

Why do i have no doubt you will make this happen..LOL

YOU RULE!
I honestly think, at this point, the very best revenge we can get is to make him sit there and watch the new alliances and friendships and creative teams and partnerships that have come out of all of this.

That knowledge just HAS to be eating him alive.

~Bev

[Gail Simone]

Joanne, I love the comics (and the sketch!). Thank you so much!

Rick may think you're a **** ***** and a ****** ***, but I think you're amazing!

Gail

[neko onna]

I honestly think, at this point, the very best revenge we can get is to make him sit there and watch the new alliances and friendships and creative teams and partnerships that have come out of all of this.

That knowledge just HAS to be eating him alive.

~Bev

from what I have seen today..I don't think he does realize it...That is the AMAZING part...LOL

[Larry Dixon]

Joanne, I love the comics (and the sketch!). Thank you so much!

Rick may think you're a **** ***** and a ****** ***, but I think you're amazing!

Gail

This was censored because of her NDA.

[Magneto_X]

Joanne, I love the comics (and the sketch!). Thank you so much!

Rick may think you're a **** ***** and a ****** ***, but I think you're amazing!

Gail

Maybe you can get Joanne to do a fill-in on BoP or some other project, Gail? :D

[Reverend Smooth]

Wait... No... There wouldn't be enough room to list us all!

~Bev

Sell multiple editions. ^^

[Papergirl]

from what I have seen today..I don't think he does realize it...That is the AMAZING part...LOL
Heh! Honestly, I think he does realize it. At least on some level. And I think the only reason he came back to snipe at us is is pure, unadulterated jealousy. The people here are achieving things he never could. These same people he deliberately tried to keep from communicating with each other are now working with each other and doing some amazing things. :)

I don't think peanut knows how to deal with it at all. :D

~Bev

[Papergirl]

Sell multiple editions. ^^
Hee! We'd have to!

~Bev

[Larry Dixon]

...and watch the new alliances and friendships and creative teams and partnerships that have come out of all of this.

Thus far, I've gotten the seeds of friendships with around an even dozen terrific people.
It looks like Misty* & I will be working with James Owen & Coppervale Studios on any number of projects.
I've hired Wil Radcliffe & Doc Absurd (and sent the payment, as a money order for their convenience, in whole, in advance, by the way).


*which is a nickname she's had for a few decades... and "Mercedes Lackey" is a pen name, too. We've both worked under that name. And a couple of others.

[Gail Simone]

Sheesh, I can't even list all the good stuff that's come out of this thread, but mainly...


...it's fun to watch the monkey dance.

Gail

[bert]

Thus far, I've gotten the seeds of friendships with around an even dozen terrific people.
It looks like Misty* & I will be working with James Owen & Coppervale Studios on any number of projects.
I've hired Wil Radcliffe & Doc Absurd (and sent the payment, as a money order for their convenience, in whole, in advance, by the way).


*which is a nickname she's had for a few decades... and "Mercedes Lackey" is a pen name, too. We've both worked under that name. And a couple of others.

I'm purchasing product from at least two folks who are participating in this thread. . . . I can't WAIT for my throw rug :)

[Magneto_X]

Larry:

Have you and/or Misty ever gotten any comics published yet? Or are you still "breaking in" to the field?

I'd love to see either of your work in comics. :D

Good luck with your projects with Coppervale Studios, Wil, Doc Absurd etc, as well.

[Larry Dixon]

.... are now working with each other and doing some amazing things. :)....

Just a funny musing; if TOTS had actually come out, it would now be a valuable collectors item, and in demand for who-knows-what-prices, because of this controversy. Then... maybe if there were a few hundred copies in boxes in storage, those could then be sold to pay the people owed... a trickle on eBay, some in stores....

One of Dixon's Laws:
People don't buy what you MIGHT have written, or what you MIGHT have drawn. People are affected by a physical product they can hold, consider, learn from and feel good about. Make it complete and get it into peoples' possession. Don't talk about what you may do, versus actually presenting a finished object; do something.

[neko onna]

Sheesh, I can't even list all the good stuff that's come out of this thread, but mainly...


...it's fun to watch the monkey dance.

Gail

well since the monkey is down for the count, will a Wookiee do for now?http://www.airbrushcat.com/pics/dancingwookiee.gif

[TomStillwell]

The auction is really taking form. There's going to be some really cool stuff up.

I'll probably start it rolling next week sometime.

Thanks so much to the generous creators.

[Larry Dixon]

Larry:

Have you and/or Misty ever gotten any comics published yet? Or are you still "breaking in" to the field?

I'd love to see either of your work in comics. :D

Good luck with your projects with Coppervale Studios, Wil, Doc Absurd etc, as well.
Heyo... Sorry for the thread drift, but a quick answer... I used to do some indie stuff Way Back When *snicker*...covers, logos, some B&W stuff like FUSION for Eclipse comics, a Longshot thing for Marvel Presents and so on. Then the careers just went in different directions and before I knew it, it's been over a decade since I'd done any comics stuff. But I always loved the people in the industry... the weird fun and wildness and laughs. It's what drew me back all this time later. I missed it. I introduced Misty to comics and now she is a big fan too.

Misty & have something like, hurhmh, four million books in print in seven languages, sixty-some titles, a heap of awards, a big fan club and stuff... but never a thing in comics. James Owen suggested the Dabel Brothers would really love our stuff, but we haven't talked with them yet. Had a laugh with James in fact when I told him that, even if what's already in print of ours was just adapted, and we added no new material, we'd have around eleven years of monthly comics. :)

[Danny Donovan]

Heh! Honestly, I think he does realize it. At least on some level. And I think the only reason he came back to snipe at us is is pure, unadulterated jealousy. The people here are achieving things he never could. These same people he deliberately tried to keep from communicating with each other are now working with each other and doing some amazing things. :)

I don't think peanut knows how to deal with it at all. :D

~Bev

I wonder how pissed he is I've got JT on a project. Now there's no room for him to get ol Jim back on the Monster Squad!!! :p

[Papergirl]

Thus far, I've gotten the seeds of friendships with around an even dozen terrific people.
It looks like Misty* & I will be working with James Owen & Coppervale Studios on any number of projects.
I've hired Wil Radcliffe & Doc Absurd (and sent the payment, as a money order for their convenience, in whole, in advance, by the way).


*which is a nickname she's had for a few decades... and "Mercedes Lackey" is a pen name, too. We've both worked under that name. And a couple of others.
THAT is exactly what I'm talking about, Larry! I think it's great to see so much good come from that asshat's garbage. :D

If there's ever any way I can help any of you here, just let me know. Granted, most of my "printing" experience is in newspapers (I've done everything from composing/page layout & design to camera room work to copy editing to writing - nearly 10 years total), but I'm more than willing to supply aid where needed or wanted.

As for pen names, I could care less. The people behind them are real, no matter what name they choose to go by. Olney's an ass to even suggest otherwise.

~Bev

[Darediva]

I'm purchasing product from at least two folks who are participating in this thread. . . . I can't WAIT for my throw rug :)

LOL! Bert! If you want a throw RUG, I can do that too, even make it fuzzy like chenille. Thought you wanted a throw quilt!

BTW...is this the longest dinner in history, or does someone's staff serve nine course meals?

[Reverend Smooth]

Thus far, I've gotten the seeds of friendships with around an even dozen terrific people.
It looks like Misty* & I will be working with James Owen & Coppervale Studios on any number of projects.
I've hired Wil Radcliffe & Doc Absurd (and sent the payment, as a money order for their convenience, in whole, in advance, by the way).
I've hoped for a while now that more good, interesting fantasy and sci-fi authors would cross over into comics, since the audience often does.

So I'm really glad to see this (much as the initial reason for the thread is just plain terrible). ^^

One of Dixon's Laws:
People don't buy what you MIGHT have written, or what you MIGHT have drawn. People are affected by a physical product they can hold, consider, learn from and feel good about. Make it complete and get it into peoples' possession. Don't talk about what you may do, versus actually presenting a finished object; do something.AMEN.

[TomStillwell]

BTW...is this the longest dinner in history, or does someone's staff serve nine course meals?

His wife found out he was on the computer again and cut him off.

Barbara: Rick, were you on the computer? You were posting again, weren't you?! You know what cousin Scott the car salesman who is really, really keen on Law & Order told you!! No more posting!!!

Rick: I wasn't posting...it was taxes...I was working on taxes! For orphans! Native American orphans...the kind too lazy and drunk to do their own damn taxes!

Barbara: Then why are you wearing your "I HEART Posting!" ball cap and matching short shorts?

Rick: I was cold! AND Hot! Mmm...did you do something different with these frozen pees? They are a delight!

[Papergirl]

Hee! I love your skits!

~Bev

[Danny Donovan]

His wife found out he was on the computer again and cut him off.

Barbara: Rick, were you on the computer? You were posting again, weren't you?! You know what cousin Scott the car salesman who is really, really keen on Law & Order told you!! No more posting!!!

I defy ANYONE not to fear Sam Waterson.

That dude would strap a 12 year old in a chair.

"screw 'im. should have thought about the consequences when he commited a crime."

"But Jack! He just stole a pack of bubblegum"

"Better be the most bubblicious thing he ever tasted 'cause next thing he'll taste is 20,000 volts. zzzzzzzzzzap jr."

"You are the weirdest district attorney ever."

"Yeah, but I slept with all my assistaints. I even got the number from the black guy from season one. Not that I'm going to do anything mind you.. *ahem* a man just like his options you know..."

[Darediva]

One of Dixon's Laws:
People don't buy what you MIGHT have written, or what you MIGHT have drawn. People are affected by a physical product they can hold, consider, learn from and feel good about. Make it complete and get it into peoples' possession. Don't talk about what you may do, versus actually presenting a finished object; do something.

Reminds me of the old Irish proverb: you never plow a field by just turning it over in your mind.

Well said, Larry. Life's too short for mighta/coulda/shoulda.

[AaronJ]

Oh, c'mon.

Crazy Frog's great. He needs to meet Batman. Judge Dredd. The Punisher. Spawn. Maybe Thor.

Anyone who takes himself too seriously needs a visit.

kdb


I believe that anyone who thinks that that creature is "great" is need of more therapy than I.

But I agree, he needs to meet Bruce. If only so Bruce can squash him like a bug.

Or ... maybe that's what you were getting at?

[wishlish]

You go to hell. You go to hell and you DIE!

Trust me, watching my wife do her goofy dance to this song is totally worth it. I AM in love with a red-headed librarian, don't ya know. :)

[wishlish]

Surprise, surprise, he chickened out again.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is Rick "I am an empty, smelly suit" Olney.

All wind, no lightning.

Gail

http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_jla4_3b.jpg

"All wind? Hardly. Hot air? Damn sure."

[Kurt Busiek]

Or ... maybe that's what you were getting at?

More the idea of CF driving Bruce bananas.

I like him.

kdb

[OzBat!]

http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_jla4_3b.jpg

"All wind? Hardly. Hot air? Damn sure.""Mind you, I wish I wasn't still in the blister pack before I let loose!"

[Sarah Beach]

I defy ANYONE not to fear Sam Waterson.

That dude would strap a 12 year old in a chair.

"screw 'im. should have thought about the consequences when he commited a crime."

"But Jack! He just stole a pack of bubblegum"

"Better be the most bubblicious thing he ever tasted 'cause next thing he'll taste is 20,000 volts. zzzzzzzzzzap jr."

"You are the weirdest district attorney ever."

"Yeah, but I slept with all my assistaints. I even got the number from the black guy from season one. Not that I'm going to do anything mind you.. *ahem* a man just like his options you know..."

Now, wait a minute! Jack hasn't slept with all his assistants! At least not after Claire.

Sorry, I'm a bit SamFan, and I love Law & Order - and Jack McCoy is far better than Ben Stone.

As for the peanut.... I think the batteries for his brain ran down. They need replacing or recharging. They don't hold a charge as long as they used to.

[the4thpip]

Out of curiosity -- when people were following up on that usenet back-and-forth between Nostalgia Zone and "thingvall", did anyone contact Joel Thingvall?

I only contacted the owner of Nostalgia Zone yesterday. I don't have an email address for Mr. Thingvall.

[G-Spot]

I only post this little bit here because Olney used to mention Billy Tucci often, an artist/writer that I have TREMENDOUS respect for (and who gave me some great free SHI comics a while back that hooked me on his work). I'm not posting this as a dig at anyone, I just thought it was a very sweet and kind note.

"Gail, you can ask Beau on how much of a big fan of yours I am! I had a lot of fun doing Heroes For Hire for Marvel and if you'd ever like me to draw one of your books, please ask! We'd have a blast and rock the industry.
All the best,
Billy"

Man, now I gotta figure out some way to make that happen. Tucci's work is incredible!

Gail

Billy (and Beau) is truly one of the nicest, greatest, most talented people in comics today! I've been priveledged to know him for a long time, and he has always been a class act.

Just a short story on how great Billy is...

When I was working for Imperium Comics, they always used a known artist for a variant cover on the "Trailer Park of Terror" book (PLUG, even tho' I no longer work for them: An always top-notch horror anthology featuring great regular covers by the wonderfully talented Nelson DeCastro and great stories by many talented up-and-coming and established creators!).

One day I get a call from the editor that we need to find an artist for a variant right away, and if I could call in a favor maybe, since the solicitation was needed by the end of the week. So I call Billy, tell him the situation, and say I understand if he can't do it. He says he's real busy working on SHI for Dark Horse...but he'll glady do it for us. I ask if he can get us some kind of sketch/prelim art by the end of the week for Diamond. He says "No problem!" and does. He saved our asses, and we had what I think is one of the best covers yet (with Billy's work painted by Mark Sparacio, another great person!)..

That's what a friend and all around good person is like.

http://conventionfun.homestead.com/files/Tucci.jpg

Now I gotta go catch up on this monster thread...

[Danny Donovan]

Now, wait a minute! Jack hasn't slept with all his assistants! At least not after Claire.

Sorry, I'm a bit SamFan, and I love Law & Order - and Jack McCoy is far better than Ben Stone.

As for the peanut.... I think the batteries for his brain ran down. They need replacing or recharging. They don't hold a charge as long as they used to.


Well the blonde was a lesbian. I dunno I fell out of habit watching after orbach died. :(

But they made a point during the Claire episodes he had a tendency to raid the employee files as it were. Which is why he always hires attractive young women. :p

[Cam63]

What I'm saying is that "Gail Simone" is a nobody. She is a simple pen name on a bunch of stories. Doesn't mean that I don't think she's talented, obviously. But "Gail Simone" is not married. I doubt that "Gail Simone" pays taxes either. Does her son's school teacher's know and address her as "Gail Simone"? I doubt it.

It bothers me not.

You could be committed on the above statement alone.

[Cam63]

Will you all write me when I am in jail?

I .....am....so....scared......

Try and make friends with or beat the shit outta the biggest, meanest bastard there.

One's harder to do than the other. I can't remember which one it is.

[Cam63]

I'll even bake a cake with a nail file in it for you. :)

~Bev

The trick is using the cake to knock the guards unconscious and then smash through the walls with it.

[Cam63]

Yep.

It was really Gwendolyn McMurty

I changed it when my testicles dropped.

Why did you wait until your cat knocked them off the mantlepiece anyway ?

[Cam63]

*sigh*

I really hope he shows up at MegaCon and calls me a ho to my face. It would be worth going to jail over.

Or you'd get a standing ovation and all the witnesses say, " He tripped and that nice lady was helping him up and then he fell again. "

It happens.

[Danny Donovan]

You could be committed on the above statement alone.

I don't understand it. Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Mark Twain, eleventy billion people in hollywood all working with names that were not the ones they were born with, sometimes they go on to making their chosen names legal, othertimes not.

Was it not Shakespeare that wrote "A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet."

But no, apperently the rose is calling itself an orchid because it's afraid of being sued.

[Cam63]

Just wanted to drop in and say hello, been busy with alot going on nad haven't been around much.....hope everyone is keeping warm and staying sane.....

Momma

Ta, Mumm'.

Staying warm aint much of an issue here.

[Cam63]

I don't understand it. Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Mark Twain, eleventy billion people in hollywood all working with names that were not the ones they were born with, sometimes they go on to making their chosen names legal, othertimes not.

Was it not Shakespeare that wrote "A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet."

But no, apperently the rose is calling itself an orchid because it's afraid of being sued.

I call flowers " technicolour weeds. "

[Cam63]

I will be using a real lawyer to take this man to court.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAALL!!

*Pictures Ronee running around soccer field with her jersey pulled up over her face*

...Yeah, it's a soccer thang.

[Cam63]

After reading this thread, I have an embarassing admission to make:

My wife and I love dancing to "Crazy Frog - Axel F".

I'm sorry.

Ah... Tango fans, I see.

[Cam63]

Sheesh, I can't even list all the good stuff that's come out of this thread, but mainly...


...it's fun to watch the monkey dance.

Gail

He needs a decent suit and some shiny shoes.

[Cam63]

One of Dixon's Laws:
People don't buy what you MIGHT have written, or what you MIGHT have drawn. People are affected by a physical product they can hold, consider, learn from and feel good about. Make it complete and get it into peoples' possession. Don't talk about what you may do, versus actually presenting a finished object; do something.

I believe I'll finish that beer I started and DAMN anyone who gets in my way !

[Cam63]

Trust me, watching my wife do her goofy dance to this song is totally worth it. I AM in love with a red-headed librarian, don't ya know. :)

You may qualify for the Lucky Bugger of the Day prize. :)

[Samuel Catalino]

I didn't even really know who you were back then, why would I hack YOUR profile?

It's crazy, I installed his forum software, configured it for him, turned over the keys and taught him how to use it, then got locked out and IP banned, and I was the bad guy.

See, the root of the fallout was when he attacked people on the SPA site, he started taking posts from the private admin forum and posting them on the MMC site, so while I still had access to his server cause I'd set up the software, I turned off his database, and was deleting the stolen private posts - and was going to turn it back on when done, so he sees the forum is offline, goes nuts, bans me so I can't turn it back on, has the hosting company rollback the site to undo my turning it off, cause he couldn't figure that out, but it had the same effect, cause the rollback would have lost posts from that day.

For years he's threatened me that that was an illegal thing for me to do. That's why I'm such a big hacker. But I was a site admin until he locked me out...and what HE was doing was against the Code of Conduct he agreed to to be a part of the SPA.

He owed me money from numerous things, I was going to sue him. He says rolling back the site cost him hundreds of dollars. So we ended up agreeing that we'd call it even, and never talk to each other again. Now everyone knows the WHOLE story.

If anyone sees anything illegal in what I did that day 4 years ago, let me know.

Exactly my point. You did not know me that well, and there was no point to hack into my profile.

And as you saw in our little SPA spat back in May 2006 my true feelings for R.O.

[Samuel Catalino]

I'm afraid you won't be that lucky, "Gail" ...as I plan on being around comics for at least another 30 years. :D

The way things are going with your health, I doubt you will be around 20 years much less 30.

[Samuel Catalino]

Airhead redhead... :rolleyes: Have fun in Orlando with Sam Catalino. He'll be your best friend. Ummm...like a chewed piece of gum on the bottom of your sneaker. Heh, heh...

Isn't that a bit self descriptive? Poor attempt to divide and conquer, though.

[Samuel Catalino]

And there you have it...the ending spot for all of the people who care enough to call Rick Olney a friend. Once he's used them entirely up, of course.

Tom, he was a friend, and I ended the friendship relationship over a year ago.

Actually I can honestly say I never signed a NDA document, and never saw one.

I have a lot of use left though, but thanks for the kind thoughts.

Best,

Samuel

[Danny Donovan]

Tom, he was a friend, and I ended the friendship relationship over a year ago.

Actually I can honestly say I never signed a NDA document, and never saw one.

I have a lot of use left though, but thanks for the kind thoughts.

Best,

Samuel


Sam, I don't believe Tom was casting a dispersion on you I believe he was saying that Rick was a "user" and once he runs out of ways to get what he wants you become an "enemy".

[Samuel Catalino]

Mr Olney, could you please have a quick look at the following names and advise:

Stan Lee. Bob Kane. Jack Kirby. Real names or pseudonym/pen names?

And does the answer somehow invalidate their standing as real legal people or the works they've produced?

Oz,

Someone please correct me if I am in error, but did not each of the above three legally change their names to the ones above?

If so, then, they are their real legal names.

Best,

Samuel

[Samuel Catalino]

Sam, I don't believe Tom was casting a dispersion on you I believe he was saying that Rick was a "user" and once he runs out of ways to get what he wants you become an "enemy".

Danny,

My point was that R.O. never used me in the sense that so many here have been taken advantage of. I just got tired of the lack of veracity and inconsistency and terminated the relationship. And that is the truth.

I certainly did not take Tom's comments as a dispersion on myself, and I just wanted to clarify my position about R.O.

Best,

Samuel

[Danny Donovan]

Oz,

Someone please correct me if I am in error, but did not each of the above three legally change their names to the ones above?

If so, then, they are their real legal names.

Best,

Samuel

As far as I'm aware, Stan is still Stanley Martin Lieber, and I don't think there was ever a formal matter of changing names for Mark Twain. He never put much stock in governmental forms (or the government) so I don't believe Samuel Clemmens ever made a formal change.


Danny,

My point was that R.O. never used me in the sense that so many here have been taken advantage of. I just got tired of the lack of veracity and inconsistency and terminated the relationship. And that is the truth.

I certainly did not take Tom's comments as a dispersion on myself, and I just wanted to clarify my position about R.O.

Best,

Samuel


Okay! Good to know. I just didn't want people to start going through a war of words over something as simple as a miswording.

I'm glad you didn't feel taken advantage of. Honestly I never felt it either, I did however feel my intelligence was constantly put into question due to the quick change stories and the assumption no one would notice.

[the4thpip]

Oz,

Someone please correct me if I am in error, but did not each of the above three legally change their names to the ones above?

If so, then, they are their real legal names.

Best,

Samuel

Kirby worked under his pen name for years before he had it legally changed.

[Samuel Catalino]

As far as I'm aware, Stan is still Stanley Martin Lieber, and I don't think there was ever a formal matter of changing names for Mark Twain. He never put much stock in governmental forms (or the government) so I don't believe Samuel Clemmens ever made a formal change.





Okay! Good to know. I just didn't want people to start going through a war of words over something as simple as a miswording.

I'm glad you didn't feel taken advantage of. Honestly I never felt it either, I did however feel my intelligence was constantly put into question due to the quick change stories and the assumption no one would notice.

Danny, I thought he had changed it to Stan Lee a number of years ago.

Appreciate your thoughtfulness though.

Best,

Samuel

[Samuel Catalino]

I'd so love for him to come to MegaCon and call me anything like he did here.

~Bev

Bev,

That sounds like a Kodak (your response that is) moment to me.

Best,

Samuel

[EdContradictory]

So much so, that I may just pay for someone that REALLY has a hygene problem to attend the next convention east of Chicago that she guests at ... just to give her a taste of reality. Doubt I'll do it? Ask Dennis Kininger, "Gail" ... it could happen.

You're... going to pay someone to be smelly?

You have multiple legal actions you need to pay for... as well as defend from... there are still people you claim you're going to pay sans legal action... but you have money enough to fly a smelly person across country to go be smelly at a comic convention?

Your threats have officially jumoed the shark.

[Papergirl]

Isn't that a bit self descriptive? Poor attempt to divide and conquer, though.

A VERY poor attempt, indeed.

Real smart. Insult both of us, and then expect us to NOT get along? Yeesh.

~Bev

[Cam63]

You want the rusty cutlass or the not so rusty cutlass, Skipp' ?

[Papergirl]

Bev,

That sounds like a Kodak (your response that is) moment to me.

Best,

Samuel

Hee! What do ya know? My camera IS a Kodak! :D

~Bev

[Papergirl]

You want the rusty cutlass or the not so rusty cutlass, Skipp' ?

The Extra Rusty, I'm thinking. ;)

~Bev

[Matt Doc Martin]

You're... going to pay someone to be smelly?

You have multiple legal actions you need to pay for... as well as defend from... there are still people you claim you're going to pay sans legal action... but you have money enough to fly a smelly person across country to go be smelly at a comic convention?

Your threats have officially jumoed the shark.

He may buy some of my new "Orcafresh" brand air fresheners.

It could happen.

[Cam63]

The Extra Rusty, I'm thinking. ;)

~Bev

Umm... That's the one just with the hilt, Boss.

I suggest the 9 iron.

[Mike Bullock]

You're... going to pay someone to be smelly?

You have multiple legal actions you need to pay for... as well as defend from... there are still people you claim you're going to pay sans legal action... but you have money enough to fly a smelly person across country to go be smelly at a comic convention?

Your threats have officially jumoed the shark.

Someone has officially descended to the "Krusty the Clown" rung on the social ladder.

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Well, this has been a long dinner. You think he'll show up after breakfast?

I had fun at the Phoenix Con last night and missed this latest round. Some nice zingers. And Larry's right...should the book ever have made print, it'd be worth a pretty penny.

Funnily enough I just got some info at the con from a lawyer regarding intellectual property rights. Poor Ricky...he has no leg to stand on. Rick, if you are reading this, Pay up and apologize. Because at this point you will never EVER do any work in this industry again unless you do it. Quit playing this game and actually face some reality.

Now I must get ready. Long day of interviewing and sucking up to various people I've admired in the industry ahead.

[Papergirl]

Someone has officially descended to the "Krusty the Clown" rung on the social ladder.
Lower. More like the dirt on the bottom of Krusty's clown shoes.

~Bev

[EdContradictory]

"Gail" I'm being called to go eat my dinner, but I'll be back later if you allow me to. And I'll post at least one lie that you have stated and perpetuated here.
Man, you can't even keep one promise.

[Danny Donovan]

Lower. More like the dirt on the bottom of Krusty's clown shoes.

~Bev

Be fair people. Krusty had a career. ;)

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Be fair people. Krusty had a career. ;)

And could actually be witty...and funny.

JP

[the4thpip]

Some very helpful people PMed me with Joel Thingval's contact info, so I emailed him as well now.

[JKCarrier]

Danny, I thought he had changed it to Stan Lee a number of years ago.

According to ORIGINS OF MARVEL COMICS, he originally adopted the "Stan Lee" pen name because he hoped to eventually do "serious" writing like novels or screenplays, and he didn't want his real name associated with "kiddie books". Once it became clear that the comics were where his fame and fortune was, he had his name legally changed.

[AaronJ]

More the idea of CF driving Bruce bananas.

I like him.

kdb

You're an evil, evil man.

[bert]

LOL! Bert! If you want a throw RUG, I can do that too, even make it fuzzy like chenille. Thought you wanted a throw quilt!

BTW...is this the longest dinner in history, or does someone's staff serve nine course meals?

HA !!

you can tell I was getting tired last night.

I meant just "Throw". . . .not "throw rug". . . sheesh, I'm glad I went to bed!

[DungeonmasterJim]

Just so people know, the Ghost Hunter guys from the Sci-Fi show will be at my local mall tomorrow (Sunday). Pretty much, I don't expect to be there because of work obligations. But if people have any questions that I could ask about Olney just let me know as I might actually go.

DM Jim - aka 'Mr. Commitment"

[AaronJ]

I honestly think, at this point, the very best revenge we can get is to make him sit there and watch the new alliances and friendships and creative teams and partnerships that have come out of all of this.

That knowledge just HAS to be eating him alive.

~Bev

Success is always the best revenge.

And, of course, it says something about the quality of the people here that they are turning such a sow's ear of a situation into a silk purse of opportunity and friendship.

[Danny Donovan]

If you noticed there hasn't been that small press blog either.

[DocAbsurd]

Oh, I am sooooooooooooooooooooo waiting for that small press blog. I mean, he washed his hands of our 'clique' mentality; what else could he have to say except how horrible we all are?

And I know from talking to my colleagues there can't be more than a couple -- not couple dozen, just a couple -- of small press creators who can even hear his name without some sort of gag reflex taking command.

Plus he's gonna knock down the ICC. Wonder how many times he's gonna take credit for how I changed it from a SPA challenger to a construct for cross-promotional endeavors.

[Papergirl]

Ooooh! What a lovely day this has been!

Mike Bullock ROCKS!

I went to the mall and met a friend of mine for lunch. When I got home, I had a priority mail package waiting for me. Inside was a signed copy of THE PHANTOM #14 for Dad and a signed copy of LIONS, TIGERS, AND BEARS Vol 1 for me! I can't wait to give Dad his surprise! Thank you, Mike!

Then, I come here to share with you all, and I see peanut is back to provide more amusement for us all. And Matt has been doing a great job filling in for me! ;)

What more could I ask for?

~Bev
I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN!

Except in my case, it's the Mighty Joanne Mutch, one of the sweetest, kindest, and most talented indy writer/artists out there (or as Rick called her on this very thread, the "sick bitch," and "douche bag").

She's the creator of the wonderfully charming book (that actually came OUT, take THAT, Reeky Rick!), Rummblestrips!

And she sent me signed copies of all her books, and on the backing board, she drew this gorgeous elf character with the words:

#1 YABS RULE:


DON'T FUCK WITH GAIL


on it.

SQUEE!

Joanne, you rule!

Gail

YIKES! Somehow, I missed this yesterday, and ran across it while doing screen caps!

Hee! Mike and Joanne BOTH rule! People like them are a huge part of the reason I love this medium so much. :)

~Bev

[Blake Petit]

I'm rather disappointed. I was out late last night and anticipated another marathon of wackiness when I logged in this morning, particularly the small press blog that would crack the internet in half and the revelation about Gail that would utterly tarnish my impressions of her forever. What do I find? Crazy Frog. :(

"'Tis a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

[Gail Simone]

RICK: Oh, yeah? Well, you guys are gonna get a huge shock when I come back here with PROOF that Gail lied!

GAIL: Bullshit, Rick.

RICK: I am! I am! I really AM! I just...uh...I have to go to dinner first. Yeah, dinner.

EVERYONE: HORSESHIT!

RICK: Dinner usually takes me a couple days...I often have my dinner in, um, France.

EVERYONE: BOOO! You SUCK! LOSER!

RICK: I'M SUING THE INTERNET!



Gail

[Papergirl]

RICK: Oh, yeah? Well, you guys are gonna get a huge shock when I come back here with PROOF that Gail lied!

GAIL: Bullshit, Rick.

RICK: I am! I am! I really AM! I just...uh...I have to go to dinner first. Yeah, dinner.

EVERYONE: HORSESHIT!

RICK: Dinner usually takes me a couple days...I often have my dinner in, um, France.

EVERYONE: BOOO! You SUCK! LOSER!

RICK: I'M SUING THE INTERNET!



Gail
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That sounds like just about every Olney conversation here!

~Bev

[Danny Donovan]

Oh, I am sooooooooooooooooooooo waiting for that small press blog. I mean, he washed his hands of our 'clique' mentality; what else could he have to say except how horrible we all are?

And I know from talking to my colleagues there can't be more than a couple -- not couple dozen, just a couple -- of small press creators who can even hear his name without some sort of gag reflex taking command.

Plus he's gonna knock down the ICC. Wonder how many times he's gonna take credit for how I changed it from a SPA challenger to a construct for cross-promotional endeavors.


I'm half tempted to look forward to the blog. I've had another "all-nighter' and I am SO DAMN SICK of my sleep schedule being screwed up, I am hoping to stay up all day and go to sleep at a decent hour so I could use the distraction.

20 to 1, the blog never surfaces. And if it does it'll have little to nothing to do with reality. :)

[Paul D. Storrie]

Well the blonde was a lesbian. I dunno I fell out of habit watching after orbach died. :(

One of the weirdest Law & Order moments ever was Southerlyn's revelation, as she was heading out the door, that she was a lesbian and wondered if that's why the DA wanted her gone. No problem at all with her character being a lesbian, but to just kind of tack it on at the end was bizarre.

PDS

[AaronJ]

RICK: Oh, yeah? Well, you guys are gonna get a huge shock when I come back here with PROOF that Gail lied!

GAIL: Bullshit, Rick.

RICK: I am! I am! I really AM! I just...uh...I have to go to dinner first. Yeah, dinner.

EVERYONE: HORSESHIT!

RICK: Dinner usually takes me a couple days...I often have my dinner in, um, France.

EVERYONE: BOOO! You SUCK! LOSER!

RICK: I'M SUING THE INTERNET!



Gail

Rick is cagey like that.

[AaronJ]

One of the weirdest Law & Order moments ever was Southerlyn's revelation, as she was heading out the door, that she was a lesbian and wondered if that's why the DA wanted her gone. No problem at all with her character being a lesbian, but to just kind of tack it on at the end was bizarre.

PDS

It's one of my all-time favorite tv moments, precisely because it was so completely out-of-left-field. It couldn't have been more weird.

I haven't laughed that hard at my TV in a while. :)

[Danny Donovan]

One of the weirdest Law & Order moments ever was Southerlyn's revelation, as she was heading out the door, that she was a lesbian and wondered if that's why the DA wanted her gone. No problem at all with her character being a lesbian, but to just kind of tack it on at the end was bizarre.

PDS

After that episode I actually spent a good 20 minutes on IMDB to see if I missed the episode she came out.

DA Southerlyn: Am I being fired because I'm gay?

Audience: DUBYA TEE EFF??????????

I would have thought it halarious if what's his name (the older southern one) said "Are you kidding? Of course! Jack can't sleep with a lesbian. You know how hard it is to live with that dick when he's not distracted?"

I mean the guy has said weirder things before. My personal favorite "An elf could pop out of my desk drawer and spit cidar in my ear, but that don't mean it's christmas!"

Again the audience gives an audible WTF and Jack starts looking into one of those crooked old folks homes he saw on 60 minutes.

[Gail Simone]

You know, last night it sorta hit me what Rick's life must be like now.

He's failed at everything. Tightlip is dissolved, Orca is disbanded, the Mighty Shitty con is disgraced. I mean, three for three, complete failure.

But on top of that, the pattern of utter dishonesty and betrayal of even close friends that's gone on for years and years and has held together only through fake, meaningless threats he never follows through on, that's all finally coming out in to the open as literally dozens of people come forth with remarkably similar stories.

"The check's in the mail."

"I lost your contact information."

"I had to leave the internet for a while."

Same tired excuses, used over and over again. He might as well have used a form letter.

I honestly wonder what it's like to have convinced yourself that you're actually a big wheeler dealer, beloved by all, with actual 'fans,' and then to wake up and find out that people are comparing notes and the tissue of lies falls to pieces, and you're exposed as a fake, a liar, a bumbler, a hack, a betrayer, a deadbeat, a bully, and an incompetent?

I think that'd be rough on anyone with conscience. Add to that, no friend at all who will defend him in the slightest, in fact, most of his former friends seem to be right here in this thread nodding in agreement as the list of his lies is trotted out.

Rick's probably fine, though, as I don't think anyone with a conscience could treat friends that way.

Gail

[colleen]

I come from a family of lawyers. I live within walking distance from not only one, but SIX prestigious law firms in my area, most of whom I've grown up with their kids and been invited to the christmas parties etc. Also devouring a lifetime of Steven Bochco dramas, while I am not an EXPERT on legal matters I could very well bullshit my way through a first year case and most likely win.

The NDA is void if the contract is broken. You can't break one contract and enforce another. The NDA is tied to the work for hire deal. Now could you make an NDA that wasn't? yeah, but unless it's expressly written that they are seperate agreements any challenge won't hold up in court.

I've signed NDAs before (not with Rick tho, none of the columnists were ever made to swear a fealty oath) and the non-disclosure is very speciffic in its wording of what kind of agreement it is. You can sign an NDA before interviewing with a top secret development team (either govermental or in the video game industry) or if you are presently working with one, that you will not discuss your business while under contract for x amount of years.

There's no such thing as a "never-ending" NDA (unless you're dealing with state secrets) businesses can only enforce upwards of 5 years because honestly if people don't know what your doing within 5 years you aren't doing it right.

But it cannot be used to hold payments. It can be used to recover monies lost by the telling of secrets that adversly effect your business, but it can not be a retroactive financial compensation. there has to be a written monatary "penalty" in the language of the signed contract otherwise such a penalty does not exist..

First, thanks to the nice words from Larry Dixon and others here. I really appreciate your kind thoughts.

And I would also like to add a couple of tidbits to the above.

There's a few things I disagree with in the above post, but most of it is correct. There are contracts that have clauses that retain the force of the contract if a clause of the contract is broken, but for all intents and purposes, if a client fails to pay, the contract is null and void. Payment does not mean "I will pay eventually, when I feel like it, in my own good time."

If the NDA is part and parcel of the original contract, the language of the contract will affect whether or not the NDA remains in force. But I am within a reasonable degree of certainty when I say it is not, and agree that it has no bearing on payment issues.

Just to clarify another point, some contracts don't pay creators until after publication. Since nothing has been published here, then payment might not be due until a period after the work is used. However, from what I have seen, TLE payment was supposed to be tendered prior to publication. It's possible for creators to get injunctions to stop publication as payment has not been tendered by TLE's own admission.

For your own protection, if you do end up signing one of those payment on publication deals, put a time limit on it. Otherwise, it can drag on for years.

It's also not true that there is no such thing as a never-ending NDA. Legal settlements often contain language that forbids the revelation of terms of contract agreements. But an NDA does not cover matters already a matter of public record, such as whether or not you have worked for a company and the nature of a past dispute. Even if you sign a settlement later, whatever is already in public can't be covered. The cat's out of the bag, so to speak.

However, NDAs and the language of non-competitive clauses have term limits that vary from state to state.

For the record, freelancers are not employees and are not bound by the language of your average non-competitive clause, nor by the general language of an NDA. A freelancer is not privy to trade secrets because a freelancer is not an employee, and outside of the obvious like plotlines of upcoming work, a non-competitive agreement and the "NDA" does not apply.

(This may be why TLE keeps harping on the fact that he doesn't think he has to pay certain people who "never worked for him". Technically, he had no employees. He did, however, hire contract labor, some of whom did not sign work for hire agreements. Therefore he neither owns one scintilla of anything he used of theirs, nor does the absence of a contract divest him of his obligation to pay for it.)

The language in the TLE contract is sloppy, the work of an amateur. I suppose it's possible a lawyer had something to do with it, but no lawyer with expertise in art and entertainment law drafted it. It is highly unlikely that a Litigator In The Box, with a course or two in copyright law of the sort that might be sought out by TLE, ever had anything to do with any serious publishing enterprise.

One of the worst mistakes bottom feeders make is they think any lawyer will do. That's just not the case. Art and entertainment law has its own terms and standards and hiring a Litigator in the Box may get you some yahoo who has spent most of his life working in real estate.


And just to point something out about TLE - who seems to think not paying freelancers is an inconvenience for them and not a hardship - the value of the money he fails to pay his creditors shrinks with every minute he doesn't meet his obligations to them.

Every minute your money is not being used to pay off debt or is not being invested, it is worth less than it's face value.

Consider that some of these TLE debts go back years.

The average freelancer is probably carrying debt and paying interest on that debt. And TLE makes no provision to pay late charges on any of the debt he says he may or might not pay sometime in the dim and distant future.

An unpaid debt of $1,000 is not an unpaid debt of $1,000. If the freelancer is carrying debt on credit cards with an average interest rate of 15%, that unpaid debt of $1,000 over the course of two years just cost an additional $347.35.

Consequently, for every $1,000 TLE has not paid, the freelancers have lost that $347.35 in interest, and the face value of the $1,000 has dropped to $652.65. In only two years, the $1,000 has lost more than a third of its value.

Late paying clients aren't an inconvenience, they literally drain the life right out of the freelancers they do not pay. A creator spends the hours of their life working to earn money just like anyone else does. Every minute you live costs money. Every minute you labor for which you are not paid has to be earned out somewhere else. The freelancer has to do double time to make up for the thieving deadbeats.

The time these freelancers could have spent working at McDonald's would have been more profitable for them than working for TLE. One month working for McDonald's would have brought in over $600 and would have come with benefits.

The TLE contract is one of the worst I have ever seen. I cannot contemplate why anyone would sign it or advise anyone to sign it.

Being published isn't good enough. There are simply too many bottom feeders out there who take art, money, who never come out with the finished work, and even when they do, the books usually bomb in the marketplace to the benefit of no one. It is not worth it to work for bad publishers to get a "big break".

There are legal resources available for freelancers, often for free. Please avail yourself.

http://www.vlany.org


c

[THEDOC]

Oh, I am sooooooooooooooooooooo waiting for that small press blog. I mean, he washed his hands of our 'clique' mentality; what else could he have to say except how horrible we all are?

And I know from talking to my colleagues there can't be more than a couple -- not couple dozen, just a couple -- of small press creators who can even hear his name without some sort of gag reflex taking command.

Plus he's gonna knock down the ICC. Wonder how many times he's gonna take credit for how I changed it from a SPA challenger to a construct for cross-promotional endeavors.

Still no blog, maybe that will never appear like his "evidence" that Gail lied. Oh "Rick".
I just want to see what other Small Press groups he will talk about..Small Press Pavaler where he had a lot of Flame Wars? Maybe Ultrazine, BBP or UFO??

[Sarah Beach]

One of the weirdest Law & Order moments ever was Southerlyn's revelation, as she was heading out the door, that she was a lesbian and wondered if that's why the DA wanted her gone. No problem at all with her character being a lesbian, but to just kind of tack it on at the end was bizarre.

PDS

I swear, I think that scene was some writer's revenge on the actress for being such dead weight all that time. The revelation had NO set-up anywhere in her run (on the contrary, there are several instances where she mentions dating guys, and flirts -- in fact early on, there are scenes where she's attempting "flirty" with Jack! I think Sam hadn't much patience with EO-the-"actress"). On top of that Fred Thompson's character, the D.A. has this real long speech about why she's being fired, so the inane "It's not because I'm a lesbian" thing was just..... so dumb! Heh.

But back to the subject at hand.... No, I don't think RO gets his law lessons even from L&O. They at least usually do reference real law.

[Blake Petit]

Is anyone else like totally in love with Colleen right now?

[AaronJ]

Is anyone else like totally in love with Colleen right now?

I was just thinking "Wow, she's smart."

[Danny Donovan]

Thank you for that informative post Colleen. I apologise for mispeaking. Glad I got most of it right though.

:) I'll learn to stop posting when I'm gravely annoyed. ^_^;

[bert]

You know, last night it sorta hit me what Rick's life must be like now.

He's failed at everything. Tightlip is dissolved, Orca is disbanded, the Mighty Shitty con is disgraced. I mean, three for three, complete failure.

But on top of that, the pattern of utter dishonesty and betrayal of even close friends that's gone on for years and years and has held together only through fake, meaningless threats he never follows through on, that's all finally coming out in to the open as literally dozens of people come forth with remarkably similar stories.

"The check's in the mail."

"I lost your contact information."

"I had to leave the internet for a while."

Same tired excuses, used over and over again. He might as well have used a form letter.

I honestly wonder what it's like to have convinced yourself that you're actually a big wheeler dealer, beloved by all, with actual 'fans,' and then to wake up and find out that people are comparing notes and the tissue of lies falls to pieces, and you're exposed as a fake, a liar, a bumbler, a hack, a betrayer, a deadbeat, a bully, and an incompetent?

I think that'd be rough on anyone with conscience. Add to that, no friend at all who will defend him in the slightest, in fact, most of his former friends seem to be right here in this thread nodding in agreement as the list of his lies is trotted out.

Rick's probably fine, though, as I don't think anyone with a conscience could treat friends that way.

Gail


"Gail". . . you "bully"!

[bert]

I keep waiting for him to call *me* a "bottom-feeder"

it would be the closest he's come to being correct, accurate, and honest in this thread.




:)

[Danny Donovan]

Is anyone else like totally in love with Colleen right now?

Who doesn't love Colleen? ^_^

[Papergirl]

Is anyone else like totally in love with Colleen right now?
Just *now*, Blake? Sheesh. The rest of us have been in love with her since her very first post! ;)

Annnnd... An update: Every single Olney post here has been screen capped and added to the UNSCREWED site. So, it's currently up to date. At least, it is until Dick comes back to spew more venom and bile.

~Bev
Ready for Round 4 now!

[Gail Simone]

First, thanks to the nice words from Larry Dixon and others here. I really appreciate your kind thoughts.

And I would also like to add a couple of tidbits to the above.

There's a few things I disagree with in the above post, but most of it is correct. There are contracts that have clauses that retain the force of the contract if a clause of the contract is broken, but for all intents and purposes, if a client fails to pay, the contract is null and void. Payment does not mean "I will pay eventually, when I feel like it, in my own good time."

If the NDA is part and parcel of the original contract, the language of the contract will affect whether or not the NDA remains in force. But I am within a reasonable degree of certainty when I say it is not, and agree that it has no bearing on payment issues.

Just to clarify another point, some contracts don't pay creators until after publication. Since nothing has been published here, then payment might not be due until a period after the work is used. However, from what I have seen, TLE payment was supposed to be tendered prior to publication. It's possible for creators to get injunctions to stop publication as payment has not been tendered by TLE's own admission.

For your own protection, if you do end up signing one of those payment on publication deals, put a time limit on it. Otherwise, it can drag on for years.

It's also not true that there is no such thing as a never-ending NDA. Legal settlements often contain language that forbids the revelation of terms of contract agreements. But an NDA does not cover matters already a matter of public record, such as whether or not you have worked for a company and the nature of a past dispute. Even if you sign a settlement later, whatever is already in public can't be covered. The cat's out of the bag, so to speak.

However, NDAs and the language of non-competitive clauses have term limits that vary from state to state.

For the record, freelancers are not employees and are not bound by the language of your average non-competitive clause, nor by the general language of an NDA. A freelancer is not privy to trade secrets because a freelancer is not an employee, and outside of the obvious like plotlines of upcoming work, a non-competitive agreement and the "NDA" does not apply.

(This may be why TLE keeps harping on the fact that he doesn't think he has to pay certain people who "never worked for him". Technically, he had no employees. He did, however, hire contract labor, some of whom did not sign work for hire agreements. Therefore he neither owns one scintilla of anything he used of theirs, nor does the absence of a contract divest him of his obligation to pay for it.)

The language in the TLE contract is sloppy, the work of an amateur. I suppose it's possible a lawyer had something to do with it, but no lawyer with expertise in art and entertainment law drafted it. It is highly unlikely that a Litigator In The Box, with a course or two in copyright law of the sort that might be sought out by TLE, ever had anything to do with any serious publishing enterprise.

One of the worst mistakes bottom feeders make is they think any lawyer will do. That's just not the case. Art and entertainment law has its own terms and standards and hiring a Litigator in the Box may get you some yahoo who has spent most of his life working in real estate.


And just to point something out about TLE - who seems to think not paying freelancers is an inconvenience for them and not a hardship - the value of the money he fails to pay his creditors shrinks with every minute he doesn't meet his obligations to them.

Every minute your money is not being used to pay off debt or is not being invested, it is worth less than it's face value.

Consider that some of these TLE debts go back years.

The average freelancer is probably carrying debt and paying interest on that debt. And TLE makes no provision to pay late charges on any of the debt he says he may or might not pay sometime in the dim and distant future.

An unpaid debt of $1,000 is not an unpaid debt of $1,000. If the freelancer is carrying debt on credit cards with an average interest rate of 15%, that unpaid debt of $1,000 over the course of two years just cost an additional $347.35.

Consequently, for every $1,000 TLE has not paid, the freelancers have lost that $347.35 in interest, and the face value of the $1,000 has dropped to $652.65. In only two years, the $1,000 has lost more than a third of its value.

Late paying clients aren't an inconvenience, they literally drain the life right out of the freelancers they do not pay. A creator spends the hours of their life working to earn money just like anyone else does. Every minute you live costs money. Every minute you labor for which you are not paid has to be earned out somewhere else. The freelancer has to do double time to make up for the thieving deadbeats.

The time these freelancers could have spent working at McDonald's would have been more profitable for them than working for TLE. One month working for McDonald's would have brought in over $600 and would have come with benefits.

The TLE contract is one of the worst I have ever seen. I cannot contemplate why anyone would sign it or advise anyone to sign it.

Being published isn't good enough. There are simply too many bottom feeders out there who take art, money, who never come out with the finished work, and even when they do, the books usually bomb in the marketplace to the benefit of no one. It is not worth it to work for bad publishers to get a "big break".

There are legal resources available for freelancers, often for free. Please avail yourself.

http://www.vlany.org


c



Possibly the best post in the thread, thank you, Colleen.


As everyone is aware, it's also unfortunately true that there are people who want their break-in moment so badly that they're willing to take more of a risk than common sense would usually allow.

I was extremely careful about this breaking in, to the point of keeping my other job, a hairstyling salon, open for at least two years beyond the point where it made any financial sense. I wanted to never be at a publisher's mercy, and enough talented friends of mine had ended up in very rough financial shape by assuming the gravy train was going to last forever that I was extremely cautious. I still have my hairdresser's license and renew it faithfully, in fact.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

I keep waiting for him to call *me* a "bottom-feeder"

it would be the closest he's come to being correct, accurate, and honest in this thread.




:)

And THANK YOU for making me spit my tea.

;)

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Is anyone else like totally in love with Colleen right now?

Yes, but how is THAT news? :)

Colleen's been a hero of mine since the first issue of ADS. Maybe even a little before...wasn't there a preview of ADS in Elfquest?

Gail

[bert]

And THANK YOU for making me spit my tea.

;)

Gail

you're welcome. . now how about a haircut at CAPE?

[Reverend Smooth]

...There are many reasons why I have always disliked being a freelance artist, and Colleen has touched on most of them. Not only do you have to deal with constant financial insecurity, the art business is full of unscrupulous people who'll work you hard and then refuse to pay.

Not just bottom-feeders either, as I'm sure most people are well-aware of. I dunno about recently, but up until a couple years ago, a major magazine was notorious for screwing over artists and then refusing to pay.

It was like a badge of honor, you weren't an official pro in those circles until ----- magazine had fucked you over.

Some badge. Heck, it's not just about credit- I had to forgo food and life-saving meds because of that crap. I think the water got turned off at one point.

It's just reprehensible. To see it going on in this industry, while I'm not surprised, is disgusting. People have to work hard enough as it is just to break even in comics. People have to take risks and trust each other to come through all the time. I'm glad that a lot of good's come out of this in the connections that this thread has made, but that kind of crap really eats away at the whole system. How many people, good artists, burn out or can't afford to keep working after getting screwed one too many times? What does that do to the talent pool?

Don't shit where you eat. Bad for business all around.

(There was a preview of ADS in Elfquest.)

[Kurt Busiek]

I don't understand it. Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Mark Twain, eleventy billion people in hollywood all working with names that were not the ones they were born with, sometimes they go on to making their chosen names legal, othertimes not.

There's nothing to understand. It's a verbal dodge to duck the question about the airline ticket payment. He had no problem talking about Gail's husband when he was claiming to have paid for the ticket, but now that he's being challenged to repeat or retract that phony claim, he's suddenly playing coy about words and names.

He's tapdancing as hard as he can, that's all. He knows it's a dodge, you know it's a dodge, everyone knows its a dodge. And a feeble one.

But feeble, unconvincing dodges are all he has left.

kdb

[Gail Simone]

you're welcome. . now how about a haircut at CAPE?

No. My last haircut at a convention, where they gave me a horrible old razor that didn't work at all, was a disaster.

But cookies!

Gail

[Reverend Smooth]

I was extremely careful about this breaking in, to the point of keeping my other job, a hairstyling salon, open for at least two years beyond the point where it made any financial sense. I wanted to never be at a publisher's mercy, and enough talented friends of mine had ended up in very rough financial shape by assuming the gravy train was going to last forever that I was extremely cautious. I still have my hairdresser's license and renew it faithfully, in fact.

GailIt's why I've passed on some low-paying gigs in favor of continuing to do 3d stuff on the side. Steady money, necessary financial security, been burned too many times.

[Gail Simone]

There's nothing to understand. It's a verbal dodge to duck the question about the airline ticket payment. He had no problem talking about Gail's husband when he was claiming to have paid for the ticket, but now that he's being challenged to repeat or retract that phony claim, he's suddenly playing coy about words and names.

He's tapdancing as hard as he can, that's all. He knows it's a dodge, you know it's a dodge, everyone knows its a dodge. And a feeble one.

But feeble, unconvincing dodges are all he has left.

kdb

That's what gets me. He doesn't even lie that well.

I think, as I was, a lot of people are drawn in initially because they feel sorry for him, until they find out what he's really like.

Gail

[wishlish]

RICK: Oh, yeah? Well, you guys are gonna get a huge shock when I come back here with PROOF that Gail lied!

GAIL: Bullshit, Rick.

RICK: I am! I am! I really AM! I just...uh...I have to go to dinner first. Yeah, dinner.

EVERYONE: HORSESHIT!

RICK: Dinner usually takes me a couple days...I often have my dinner in, um, France.

EVERYONE: BOOO! You SUCK! LOSER!

RICK: I'M SUING THE INTERNET!



Gail

Where's the grammar errors? The misspellings? The misogynistic threats?

(Oh, who cares. I laughed.)

[Kurt Busiek]

As far as I'm aware, Stan is still Stanley Martin Lieber, and I don't think there was ever a formal matter of changing names for Mark Twain.

Stan Lee legally changed his name, but not until years after he'd been using it that way professionally. Same for Kirby, I think. Don't know about Kane.

Clemens never changed his name; it was simply a pseudonym. Same for "Lewis Carroll," "James Tiptree Jr." and many others.

kdb

[Reverend Smooth]

That's what gets me. He doesn't even lie that well.

I think, as I was, a lot of people are drawn in initially because they feel sorry for him, until they find out what he's really like.

GailWhen that many professionals all level the same consistent accusations, there's really no excuse to not take them seriously. A couple people, whatever, but this many?

[Kurt Busiek]

You're... going to pay someone to be smelly?

You have multiple legal actions you need to pay for... as well as defend from... there are still people you claim you're going to pay sans legal action... but you have money enough to fly a smelly person across country to go be smelly at a comic convention?

Paying for someone to be smelly is free. Just like paying them to draw comics or design web pages. You promise them money, they do the job and then you're done. If they start to act like "paying for" involves an actual tranfer of funds, they clearly don't like you, and not liking you is grounds for nonpayment. It's the Olney Way.

The part that amuses me, though, is the concept of paying someone to go be smelly at a comicon. It's a comicon. How would you tell this guy apart from the other smelly guys wandering around? Would he wear a T-shirt? "I'm In Olney-O-Rama!"?

kdb

[TCJohnson]

No. My last haircut at a convention, where they gave me a horrible old razor that didn't work at all, was a disaster.

But cookies!

Gail

How about bag lunches?

[Danny Donovan]

Stan Lee legally changed his name, but not until years after he'd been using it that way professionally. Same for Kirby, I think. Don't know about Kane.

Clemens never changed his name; it was simply a pseudonym. Same for "Lewis Carroll," "James Tiptree Jr." and many others.

kdb

My mistake! I must have missed when Stan changed his name. For some reason I always thought he kept his old one for that " great american novel" he mentions every interview. :)

Thanks for clarifying! :)

[AaronJ]

Where's the grammar errors? The misspellings? The misogynistic threats?

(Oh, who cares. I laughed.)

Which brings to mind an interesting question: Is it more difficult to write Bizarro or "Rick"?

[TCJohnson]

When that many professionals all level the same consistent accusations, there's really no excuse to not take them seriously. A couple people, whatever, but this many?

Up until very recently, there were not that many professionals talking about Olney...which is exactly how he got away with all of it.

[Blake Petit]

Lewis Carroll was a pseudonym? Really? Wow, I've learned my new thing for the day. :)

[wishlish]

The language in the TLE contract is sloppy, the work of an amateur. I suppose it's possible a lawyer had something to do with it, but no lawyer with expertise in art and entertainment law drafted it. It is highly unlikely that a Litigator In The Box, with a course or two in copyright law of the sort that might be sought out by TLE, ever had anything to do with any serious publishing enterprise.


I think Doc Absurd said that he got the contracts from a book. So he didn't even hire a lawyer, he just copied and pasted.

God, I hope he gets sued.

And in case no one's said it to you today, Colleen, thanks for all the great legal advice. I really hope the creators here are taking it to heart. I've read your blog about your early career and the scumbags who tried to take advantage of you, and I'm glad you didn't let that stop you. Comic fans are damn lucky to have you.

[Blake Petit]

Paying for someone to be smelly is free. Just like paying them to draw comics or design web pages. You promise them money, they do the job and then you're done. If they start to act like "paying for" involves an actual tranfer of funds, they clearly don't like you, and not liking you is grounds for nonpayment. It's the Olney Way.

That and litigation if they tell people they don't like you.

[bert]

How about bag lunches?

you stole my line!

I'm gonna sue you.

[Danny Donovan]

Which brings to mind an interesting question: Is it more difficult to write Bizarro or "Rick"?

Even Bizarro would have trouble following Rick's train of logic.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I defy ANYONE not to fear Sam Waterson.

That dude would strap a 12 year old in a chair.

"screw 'im. should have thought about the consequences when he commited a crime."

"But Jack! He just stole a pack of bubblegum"

"Better be the most bubblicious thing he ever tasted 'cause next thing he'll taste is 20,000 volts. zzzzzzzzzzap jr."

"You are the weirdest district attorney ever."

"Yeah, but I slept with all my assistaints. I even got the number from the black guy from season one. Not that I'm going to do anything mind you.. *ahem* a man just like his options you know..."


Jack McCoy is all MAN. He is the rock and will likely die prosecuting a known criminal . Then his final words will be a huge speech and the entire jury will clap & cheer. Then the 12 yearold will get strapped into the electric chair. :p

[wishlish]

I still have my hairdresser's license and renew it faithfully, in fact.


Something tells me you'll never have to cut hair for money again.

(I actually had a great haircut the other day. My leg injury has kept me off my feet for a while, but I went to a place around here called Shaves that does a haircut, neck massage, and hot towel service for $30. I look and feel human again.)

[bert]

Even Bizarro would have trouble following Rick's train of logic.


well. . it's not really a train, now is it?

it's more like a Moped. . with just a quarter tank of gas, and one pedal busted.

[bert]

Something tells me you'll never have to cut hair for money again.

(I actually had a great haircut the other day. My leg injury has kept me off my feet for a while, but I went to a place around here called Shaves that does a haircut, neck massage, and hot towel service for $30. I look and feel human again.)

$30?

did it include a "happy ending" as well?


(I just either cut mine myself, or go to Joe's Flat Top Shop. . .$12)

[Reverend Smooth]

Up until very recently, there were not that many professionals talking about Olney...which is exactly how he got away with all of it.I'm surprised that he thought that he could keep it up, given that this is the age of the internets.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Ya know its 12:50 PM here on the East Coast. If Olney did go to eat Dinner he likely got stuck in the phantom zone. Where in that zone time has no meaning. So when he promised to reveal huge information against Gail , he likely didn't have the exact time.

So like Ronee getting promised that on a Monday she'll get his contact info , Gail will be forced to wait maybe 2 to 4 years for this big revelation. Because once ya dissapear into the Phantom Zone your there awhile. Unless Superboy-Prime punches the wall and sets things right. :p

[Danny Donovan]

I'm surprised that he thought that he could keep it up, given that this is the age of the internets.

Yeah, but you know it's all tubes. If he takes a dump truck and fills them with enough false things in the tubes people can't connect to find out stuff about him. Hence the Ric Ollie stuff.

;)

Stupid congressional people. ;)

[Reverend Smooth]

Yeah, but you know it's all tubes. If he takes a dump truck and fills them with enough false things in the tubes people can't connect to find out stuff about him. Hence the Ric Ollie stuff.

;)

Stupid congressional people. ;)One could offer to sell him a bridge to nowhere in alaska, but he might default on payments for that, too.

[colleen]

I think Doc Absurd said that he got the contracts from a book. So he didn't even hire a lawyer, he just copied and pasted.

God, I hope he gets sued.

And in case no one's said it to you today, Colleen, thanks for all the great legal advice. I really hope the creators here are taking it to heart. I've read your blog about your early career and the scumbags who tried to take advantage of you, and I'm glad you didn't let that stop you. Comic fans are damn lucky to have you.

Thank you very much to everyone for all the kind words.

To follow up and clarify, there's also a clause known as a void provisions clause you will want to be on the lookout for. It is not in the TLE agreement. The void provisions clause states that if a court decides that one clause in the contract is unenforceable by law, the rest of the contract remains in force.

This does not mean that breaking a clause is a void provision. A voided clause means a clause is found illegal or unenforceable by law, not that the clause was broken.

Just any contract breach will not automatically destroy an entire contract, but non-payment is about the best reason to dump a contract there is. And non-payment is not covered by void provision. And it doesn't matter anyway, because TLE does not have it in their contract.

The contract does have a small, standard confidentiality clause that in no way covers a darned thing here. The NDA is not a part of the original contract, but a separate agreement. It's the one that has the most ridiculous legalese.

The contract is definitely some kind of cut and paste job and, mysteriously, also covers patents. Just in case someone invents a superpower, I suppose.

As glad as I am that Gail writes comics, I haven't had my hair done in a year and it looks like a rat's nest. I envy anyone who knows how to do their hair.

I attempted to go it on my own too early when I was a wee tot in publishing, but ended up making a little over $300 a month in advances on royalties on books for a piece of crap publisher named Starblaze that had me in the office slaving as an unpaid gofer every single solitary work day for nearly a year. They did not pay me one single dime. They repeatedly broke promises to put me on salary and give me health insurance. I'd have to work all night on my books for my crappy $300 a month, then come in and work at the publisher all day for free, the same publisher that was having me work for them for free on assignments I wasn't being paid for, that would also have the gall to complain my own books weren't getting drawn fast enough.

When I finally walked out, they got in a huff. They thought they were doing me a favor letting me work in their office for all that experience! Weren't they just so nice to me?

I moved back home and began getting away from those creeps as soon as I could. I eventually sued them along with a dozen other creators. We all got a nice settlement, but it took several years.

When I first bought my own home, I worked part time as the Homeowner Association caretaker while doing my comics. It was always funny to have people make comments about what it must be like getting rich working in comics, and there I was with a part time minimum wage job on the side.


c

[Gail Simone]

I actually have a bit of mistrust for writers who have never had a 'real' job outside of writing. I tend to look at their characters with a bit more scrutiny, because it's hard for me to accept writing from people without much life experience, without that common ground most people have of having worked for an a-hole at wages far below what's fair.

I feel a little bit the same, whether this is fair or not, about guy writers who don't seem to know many females. I tend to find their portrayals of women empty and revenge-based.

But maybe that's just me.

Nope.

Gail

[Reverend Smooth]

I attempted to go it on my own too early when I was a wee tot in publishing, but ended up making a little over $300 a month in advances on royalties on books for a piece of crap publisher named Starblaze that had me in the office slaving as an unpaid gofer every single solitary work day for nearly a year. I am annoyed that the money I paid for your graphic novels back then did not apparently go to you. (Aren't they out of business now, too?)

The least I can do is get what I can of your Image catalogue later this year so you can get actual royalties this time.

When I first bought my own home, I worked part time as the Homeowner Association caretaker while doing my comics. It was always funny to have people make comments about what it must be like getting rich working in comics, and there I was with a part time minimum wage job on the side.
XD

[Gail Simone]

"As glad as I am that Gail writes comics, I haven't had my hair done in a year and it looks like a rat's nest. I envy anyone who knows how to do their hair."

Hey, if I can do Lea Hernandez' hair in a hotel room sink at SDCC, I'm sure something could be arranged. ;)

Gail

[JamesRitcheyIII]

I actually have a bit of mistrust for writers who have never had a 'real' job outside of writing. I tend to look at their characters with a bit more scrutiny, because it's hard for me to accept writing from people without much life experience, without that common ground most people have of having worked for an a-hole at wages far below what's fair.

I feel a little bit the same, whether this is fair or not, about guy writers who don't seem to know many females. I tend to find their portrayals of women empty and revenge-based.

But maybe that's just me.

Nope.

Gail

Amen, Sista!

I wouldn't trade my Joseph Conrad/Charles Bukowski/Jack Kerouac/Bill Burroughs (without the gayness) approach to earning the right to write about the human condition for all the tea in Boston Harbor!

[Jamie Coville]

I'm starting to think that Olney did have supper, then refused to pay the restuarant.

He's still there washing dishes.

[Koben Kelly]

*Pictures Ronee running around soccer field with her jersey pulled up over her face*

...Yeah, it's a soccer thang.

Correction: it's a futbol thing.

You've seen Ro in person... right? That scene would would cause a bigger tizzy than Janet's Nipplegate scandal. Ronee would win an award for most downloadable female of 2007.

---Koben:)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm starting to think that Olney did have supper, then refused to pay the restuarant.

He's still there washing dishes.

Ya mean they didn't accept the excuse that after he ate , they didn't like him so why should he pay ? Of course I may have to start trying that excuse with people I owe money to. ;)

[TCJohnson]

I actually have a bit of mistrust for writers who have never had a 'real' job outside of writing. I tend to look at their characters with a bit more scrutiny, because it's hard for me to accept writing from people without much life experience, without that common ground most people have of having worked for an a-hole at wages far below what's fair.

I feel a little bit the same, whether this is fair or not, about guy writers who don't seem to know many females. I tend to find their portrayals of women empty and revenge-based.

But maybe that's just me.

Nope.

Gail

By the same token, I always wondered how Grant Morrison writes humans!

[Ronée]

Dear Mr. Olney,

My name is Raymond Burr, and I am James Ritchey, III's Imaginary Attorney, having died September 12, 1993, not withstanding. Yes, I am a phantom. Through some bizarre twist of fate, in the afterlife I was granted the powers of the fictional character I portrayed for many years, Perry Mason--whose ability it was to so badger witnesses, to the point where they would spontaneously confess their wrongdoing in open court. This sometimes happened randomly in the gallery. Please warn your fictitious Attorney of this skill, and pass on my sentiment that he cannot possibly win if he even hints at thinking about threatening my client ever again, since you are a guilty, guilty man, and will be the defendant. I took on Godzilla--does he really want to go toe to toe with me?

Signed (by Proxy),
Raymond William Stacey Burr,
Homosexual Ghost Imaginary Attorney with
Magical Confession-Inducement PowersThat made me laugh so hard that I think I had a laughgasm! I am in love now.

Okay, carry on.

[Ronée]

His wife found out he was on the computer again and cut him off.

Barbara: Rick, were you on the computer? You were posting again, weren't you?! You know what cousin Scott the car salesman who is really, really keen on Law & Order told you!! No more posting!!!

Rick: I wasn't posting...it was taxes...I was working on taxes! For orphans! Native American orphans...the kind too lazy and drunk to do their own damn taxes!

Barbara: Then why are you wearing your "I HEART Posting!" ball cap and matching short shorts?

Rick: I was cold! AND Hot! Mmm...did you do something different with these frozen pees? They are a delight! Another laughgasm. Thanks for that one.

[AaronJ]

By the same token, I always wondered how Grant Morrison writes humans!

An excellent point, that is.

[colleen]

I am annoyed that the money I paid for your graphic novels back then did not apparently go to you. (Aren't they out of business now, too?)

The least I can do is get what I can of your Image catalogue later this year so you can get actual royalties this time.

XD

Starblaze is gone.

Their parent company no longer has a trade division at all, and they only package books now. They do made to order books for companies and municipalities.

I ended up getting some money, but only after a lawsuit. I wasn't paid a dime in royalties.


c

[Ronée]

Correction: it's a futbol thing.

You've seen Ro in person... right? That scene would would cause a bigger tizzy than Janet's Nipplegate scandal. Ronee would win an award for most downloadable female of 2007.

---Koben:)LMAO! And I would have two black eyes. Not pretty.

[colleen]

"As glad as I am that Gail writes comics, I haven't had my hair done in a year and it looks like a rat's nest. I envy anyone who knows how to do their hair."

Hey, if I can do Lea Hernandez' hair in a hotel room sink at SDCC, I'm sure something could be arranged. ;)

Gail

Well, the NYCC is next month, so before my beau flies in, I hope to dash off to a hairdresser and spruce up so he doesn't see me like this.


c

[Reverend Smooth]

Starblaze is gone.Good.


I ended up getting some money, but only after a lawsuit. I wasn't paid a dime in royalties.
I will absolutely be getting your image stuff, then. I am so sorry that you had to go through that. I remember, from the perspective of a reader, feeling frustrated that a series that I liked so much, and its creator, really kept getting screwed over repeatedly, when neither one deserved it at all.

I really hate to sound like I'm gushing or whatever, and this is going to sound incredibly hyperbolic, but I liked it so much that, as a homeless teen, I had those graphic novels crammed in my backpack (along with my clothes, a few books - Mercedes Lackey's 'Vanyel' series, if I remember right - and not much else,) and they helped me escape some really tough and shitty times.


So I'm really glad that Image decided to publish ADS, and thank you very much for not giving up, and so on.

[colleen]

Good.



I will absolutely be getting your image stuff, then. I am so sorry that you had to go through that. I remember, from the perspective of a reader, feeling frustrated that a series that I liked so much, and its creator, really kept getting screwed over repeatedly, when neither one deserved it at all.

I really hate to sound like I'm gushing or whatever, and this is going to sound incredibly hyperbolic, but I liked it so much that, as a homeless teen, I had those graphic novels crammed in my backpack (along with my clothes, a few books - Mercedes Lackey's 'Vanyel' series, if I remember right - and not much else,) and they helped me escape some really tough and shitty times.


So I'm really glad that Image decided to publish ADS, and thank you very much for not giving up, and so on.

That's the best compliment I have ever had.

Thank you.

And I can relate. My parents were homeless and lived in a pigeon coop at one point. We were very desperately poor.

When I moved out on my own, I had so little money I could barely afford to eat. My editor would have me draw slash illustrations in exchange for meals.

I drew slash porn for food.

And I lost over 20 pounds that year because I could not afford to buy my own food.

Now we live in a beautiful home on 26 acres of land. We have pictures of all the places we lived in before, including the pigeon coop.

That was before I was born, but I ended up being born in the charity ward, which, I am told, is not the place you want to have a baby.


c

[Reverend Smooth]

That's the best compliment I have ever had.

Thank you.
You're welcome.

And I can relate. My parents were homeless and lived in a pigeon coop at one point. We were very desperately poor.

When I moved out on my own, I had so little money I could barely afford to eat. My editor would have me draw slash illustrations in exchange for meals.

I drew slash porn for food.I am so sorry. (It should be drawn for money.) I drew furry porn for food at one point, so I can't point fingers at you. XD;;;
Now we live in a beautiful home on 26 acres of land. We have pictures of all the places we lived in before, including the pigeon coop. I'm really, really glad that things have been turning around for you.
That was before I was born, but I ended up being born in the charity ward, which, I am told, is not the place you want to have a baby.
<french lack of tact>
Though the beginnings may have been, uh, a little inauspicious, the present seems to have turned out just swimmingly!
</french lack of tact>

[rummblestrips]

(fangirl moment)
Colleen, I've met you a few times and I'm such an idiot. I go all shy and never introduce myself or anything, I just pay for my books and run off giggling that I now have the next TPB of one of my all time favorite series. THEN I think to myself, why didn't I just give her a HUGE hug and say, "I LOVE YOUR WORK!"
Next time I will
All your posts here just remind me time and time again why you're an inspiration to little peoples like me
(/fangirl moment)

Phew. had to get that off my chest.

[neko onna]

Is anyone else like totally in love with Colleen right now?

I have more to read I am not caught up et..but I have to agree with this and add...*SWOOOOOOOOOOONNNN*

oh and for the L and O lesbian bit..yea it way out of left field

[NatGertler]

Starblaze is gone.One of the frustrating things about this field is that the folks who do the great things are often the same ones who do the terrible things. Starblaze did a lot in term of gaining some foothold for graphic novels in the bookstores, with some gorgeous editions of some fine works (as well as some other ones, admittedly.) But that does not justify their treatment of creators.
Still, that is in contrast with some lines, which treated creators badly and haven't produced an actual published comic.

[Reverend Smooth]

Starblaze did a lot in term of gaining some foothold for graphic novels in the bookstores, with some gorgeous editions of some fine works (as well as some other ones, admittedly.)Between Colleen's watercolor work, and others, that were published by them, it did make me decide, even way back then, that coloring comics in watercolor could be both beautiful and feasible.

Which is a big part of why I work in that style now.

[Cam63]

RICK: Oh, yeah? Well, you guys are gonna get a huge shock when I come back here with PROOF that Gail lied!

GAIL: Bullshit, Rick.

RICK: I am! I am! I really AM! I just...uh...I have to go to dinner first. Yeah, dinner.

EVERYONE: HORSESHIT!

RICK: Dinner usually takes me a couple days...I often have my dinner in, um, France.

EVERYONE: BOOO! You SUCK! LOSER!

RICK: I'M SUING THE INTERNET!



Gail

You forgot the inverted commas around your name.

[ChrisCross]

Well..... i have to say, i've never seen one person incur the wrath of 716 pages of dialogue.

Rick is definitely the most hated man in comics presently.

I have to say that Ronee had me on the list of artists to work with Rick.
I wound up really injuring myself and that kept me from going to his con, thank you JESUS.

That being said... i DO have contracts that i scanned into my computer and made into pdfs.
and if this knucklehead had owed me money, you get best believe at some point my six foot nine 275 lb. African American behind would do his most brilliant Suge Knight impression and i WOULD HAVE MY MONEY.

As they say in the 'hood, you don't mess with a Black Man's money. Times are hard and so is gettin' dat cheddar.

I would like to add another man's name to this list.

His name is Robert Burnette, the CEO and so called EIC of Ludivico. I did a cover for THE RED LINE. And the payment is a nice large sum. Unfortunately, he seems to be under the impression that he can put holds on checks at any time he pleases. And of course, i'm getting the typical California runaround. I don't play games and i'm not going away, Robert.

If i have to limp my behind to Cally, you can best believe when i get there, me and my crutch will not be HAPPY.

How do people think they can get away with coming to a talent's doorstep, ask them to exude their blood, sweat and tears to do something for them in a timely basis, and think that they shouldn't have to pay in that same timely basis?

This is why a lot of major talent will not work with most independent companies. This kind of crap.

I will get my money, ROBERT. YOU CAN BEST BELIEVE THAT.
SO says my crutch, your future third leg.

[DocAbsurd]

I searched and found both (http://www.amazon.com/Legal-Guide-Visual-Artist-Crawford/dp/1581150032/ref=pd_sim_b_1/103-3880240-0495011) of the books (http://www.amazon.com/Business-Legal-Forms-Fine-Artists/dp/1581150318/sr=1-1/qid=1169926178/ref=sr_1_1/103-3880240-0495011?ie=UTF8&s=books) he probably used. Copyright dates match to when I woulda seen them, and the titles most certainly ring true.

I've read these books myself back in '92. Very informative, especially for the time. This sorta legal was just coming into light following the B&W bust of the mid-80s. However, the author stressed frequently none of the contracts were perfect as is; they were written as examples, guides for free-lance artists to use to protect themselves.

No doubt Moby figured this gave him some sort of magical insight as to how to screw us over.

Power is a dangerous thing. Imagined power even more so.




Doc 'Not Really My Name' Absurd

[ChrisCross]

There's no magical insight.

As long as you have documentation of some sort that nails dumhead with his words agreeing to the terms of payment, he can legalese until his face turns purple. He's signed his own death warrant. That and he's posting this stuff on the web when he should keep quiet.

Amazing.

The best way to get at some snot like this is three very sweet words... "CLASS","ACTION", "LAWSUIT".

[Kurt Busiek]

you get best believe at some point my six foot nine 275 lb. African American behind would do his most brilliant Suge Knight impression and i WOULD HAVE MY MONEY.

You have a 6'9" 275-lb. behind?!

That would certainly scare me into paying up, if I owed you money!

I would like to add another man's name to this list.

His name is Robert Burnette, the CEO and so called EIC of Ludivico. I did a cover for THE RED LINE. And the payment is a nice large sum. Unfortunately, he seems to be under the impression that he can put holds on checks at any time he pleases. And of course, i'm getting the typical California runaround.

Sorry to hear it. Show him Rick.

Hey, maybe that's Rick's place in comics history. As the example of what happens to deadbeats! Just think -- he'd be good for something at last!

How do people think they can get away with coming to a talent's doorstep, ask them to exude their blood, sweat and tears to do something for them in a timely basis, and think that they shouldn't have to pay in that same timely basis?

Because we make things out of nothing, which allows them to convince themselves it was easy.

kdb

[Blake Petit]

Welcome to the party, Cross. Glad you managed to dodge the Olney bullet, but it sucks that you've got someone else giving you the runaround now.

[bert]

You have a 6'9" 275-lb. behind?!

That would certainly scare me into paying up, if I owed you money!




Cue the Sir Mix-a-Lot!!


[Intro]
Oh, my, god. Becky, look at her butt.
It is so big. *scoff* She looks like,
one of those rap guys' girlfriends.
But, y'know, who understands those rap guys? *scoff*
They only talk to her, because,
she looks like a total prostitute, 'kay?
I mean, her butt, is just so big. *scoff*
I can't believe it's just so round, it's like,
out there, I mean - gross. Look!
She's just so ... black!

[Sir Mix-a-Lot]
I like big butts and I can not lie
You other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung, wanna pull out your tough
'Cause you notice that butt was stuffed
Deep in the jeans she's wearing
I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
Oh baby, I wanna get wit'cha
And take your picture
My homeboys tried to warn me
But with that butt you got makes me feel so horny
Ooh, Rump-o'-smooth-skin
You say you wanna get in my Benz?
Well, use me, use me
'Cause you ain't that average groupy
I've seen them dancin'
The hell with romancin'
She's sweat, wet,
Got it goin' like a turbo 'Vette
I'm tired of magazines
Sayin' flat butts are the thing
Take the average black man and ask him that
She gotta pack much back
So, fellas! (Yeah!) Fellas! (Yeah!)
Has your girlfriend got the butt? (Hell yeah!)
Tell 'em to shake it! (Shake it!) Shake it! (Shake it!)
Shake that healthy butt!
Baby got back!

(LA face with Oakland booty)
Baby got back!

[Sir Mix-a-Lot]
I like 'em round, and big
And when I'm throwin' a gig
I just can't help myself, I'm actin' like an animal
Now here's my scandal
I wanna get you home
And ugh, double-up, ugh, ugh
I ain't talkin' bout Playboy
'Cause silicone parts are made for toys
I want 'em real thick and juicy
So find that juicy double
Mix-a-Lot's in trouble
Beggin' for a piece of that bubble
So I'm lookin' at rock videos
Knock-kneeded bimbos walkin' like hoes
You can have them bimbos
I'll keep my women like Flo Jo
A word to the thick soul sistas, I wanna get with ya
I won't cuss or hit ya
But I gotta be straight when I say I wanna *fuck*
Til the break of dawn
Baby got it goin' on
A lot of simps won't like this song
'Cause them punks like to hit it and quit it
And I'd rather stay and play
'Cause I'm long, and I'm strong
And I'm down to get the friction on
So, ladies! {Yeah!} Ladies! {Yeah}
If you wanna role in my Mercedes {Yeah!}
Then turn around! Stick it out!
Even white boys got to shout
Baby got back!

Baby got back!
Yeah, baby ... when it comes to females, Cosmo ain't got nothin'
to do with my selection. 36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3".

[Sir Mix-a-Lot]
So your girlfriend rolls a Honda, playin' workout tapes by Fonda
But Fonda ain't got a motor in the back of her Honda
My anaconda don't want none
Unless you've got buns, hun
You can do side bends or sit-ups,
But please don't lose that butt
Some brothers wanna play that "hard" role
And tell you that the butt ain't gold
So they toss it and leave it
And I pull up quick to retrieve it
So Cosmo says you're fat
Well I ain't down with that!
'Cause your waist is small and your curves are kickin'
And I'm thinkin' bout stickin'
To the beanpole dames in the magazines:
You ain't it, Miss Thing!
Give me a sista, I can't resist her
Red beans and rice didn't miss her
Some knucklehead tried to dis
'Cause his girls are on my list
He had game but he chose to hit 'em
And I pull up quick to get wit 'em
So ladies, if the butt is round,
And you want a triple X throw down,
Dial 1-900-MIXALOT
And kick them nasty thoughts
Baby got back!

(Little in the middle but she got much back) [4x]



and I must add to say, that it rocks so fucking hard that one of my all-time faves (that would be you Mr. Chris Cross) joining into this thread.

wow. . it's like almost all my faves are here (Gail, Colleen, Mark, Kurt, James. . and the rest).

[ChrisCross]

oh, i'm sorry y'all... i'm being rude.
Hello, everybody!!

I did dodge it thanks to my personal Wonder Woman, Ronee.

But as far as Robert is concerned, i WILL get my MONEY.

[Magneto_X]

I was just thinking "Wow, she's smart."

Not only is she incredibly smart but from photos that I've seen of her in magazines and the net she's also beautiful, as well!

Colleen truly is the perfect woman. lol

[JamesRitcheyIII]

That made me laugh so hard that I think I had a laughgasm! I am in love now.

Okay, carry on.

Just clicked the link to your MySpace. My pheromones were specifically calibrated by the Goddess at my conception to attract Beautiful, Intelligent, Female Sagittariians, so you likely would be experiencing love at first sight, in person. Although I was raised with four younger sisters--a 'protector' personality, and am an ardent feminist, I am also a notorious Shatner. Beware!

So, how come, no matter how great I really am, I feel like a creep when I do rarely flirt on the internet? Oh, yeah--because it's creepy! :D

[Gail Simone]

Wow, go read THIS creepy Olney story. Note the bizarre paranoia and the anti-woman comments, just like he uses here on this thread.

http://renaissancegeek.blogspot.com/2007/01/eddie-torial-anecdote-when-eddie-met.html

[ChrisCross]

Not just any behind, Kurt. An African-American behind.

;)

[Gail Simone]

There's no magical insight.

As long as you have documentation of some sort that nails dumhead with his words agreeing to the terms of payment, he can legalese until his face turns purple. He's signed his own death warrant. That and he's posting this stuff on the web when he should keep quiet.

Amazing.

The best way to get at some snot like this is three very sweet words... "CLASS","ACTION", "LAWSUIT".

Chris, first, thanks for showing up here--I'm a huge fan of your art!

And yeah, this Robert guy sounds like he's from the same ilk as Olney. Hope he does right and pays up.

Gail

[NatGertler]

This is why a lot of major talent will not work with most independent companies.And thus why you see some of the indy folks protesting some of these actions. Every time some other small publisher (or would-be publisher) acts irresponsibly towards talent, it makes things harder for the rest of us to line up quality folks for projects.

[Reverend Smooth]

Not just any behind, Kurt. An African-American behind.

;)

...Among the most mighty and awesome of God's creations.

[ChrisCross]

Wow, go read THIS creepy Olney story. Note the bizarre paranoia and the anti-woman comments, just like he uses here on this thread.

http://renaissancegeek.blogspot.com/2007/01/eddie-torial-anecdote-when-eddie-met.html
Well, at least i know what ORCA means.

This what happens when people don't have home training, see?

There has to be a certain integrity you must have if you're aspiring to be the CEO, CFO of your own company.

I don't know how this dude is going to weather this, but i'm sure he'll find someone who isn't even aware of any of his business practices and we'll be at this all over again.

[Blake Petit]

Wow, go read THIS creepy Olney story. Note the bizarre paranoia and the anti-woman comments, just like he uses here on this thread.

http://renaissancegeek.blogspot.com/2007/01/eddie-torial-anecdote-when-eddie-met.html

Moses Smell the Roses, that's nuts.

[ChrisCross]

And thus why you see some of the indy folks protesting some of these actions. Every time some other small publisher (or would-be publisher) acts irresponsibly towards talent, it makes things harder for the rest of us to line up quality folks for projects.

Who do you represent, Nat?

[ChrisCross]

Chris, first, thanks for showing up here--I'm a huge fan of your art!



Gail
Thank you, Gail... maybe you and i will work on something one day soon.;)

[Kurt Busiek]

Not just any behind, Kurt. An African-American behind.

;)

Beats a 6'9" 275-lb. flabby white behind all hollow.

Not that they both wouldn't be terrifying. Just in different ways.

kdb