Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[TomStillwell]

Olney, that mamzer zhlub. Such a shtunk he causes. Such a shnorrer, that one.

Better he gai feifen afenyam, I say. Zolst lign in drerd, he should.

[AIPman1]

So, uh...how usefull is THIS line of conversation? Or should I shut up again?

[TomStillwell]

So, uh...how usefull is THIS line of conversation? Or should I shut up again?

Humor always has a use. Unlike pages of pointless argument.

[Josh Simon]

Hey, I haven't been able to get on here in like a week. Any new developements?

[Typo Lad]

It's very useful. You just need you Captain Ivri Decoder ring.

[Gail Simone]

Hebrew, not Yiddish.

Yiddish is a pidgin. In the Old Country, if you spoke Yiddish in Yeshiva your Rebbe would smack you. Now, it's the Lingua Franca of the Yeshiva world, which amuses me to no end.

Yeah?

Well, if it's good enough for Isaac Bashevis Singer to win a Nobel Prize, it's good enough for me.

Gail

[Typo Lad]

Yeah?

Well, if it's good enough for Isaac Bashevis Singer to win a Nobel Prize, it's good enough for me.

Gail
Sure, sure. It's fine for performing for the gentiles. That's what it's for.

[TomStillwell]

Yeah?

Well, if it's good enough for Isaac Bashevis Singer to win a Nobel Prize, it's good enough for me.

Gail

Name dropper.:D

[Josh Simon]

Yeah?

Well, if it's good enough for Isaac Bashevis Singer to win a Nobel Prize, it's good enough for me.

Gail

Hey Gail,

Do you have myspace?
If so, can I send you a friend request from my stores page?

[Kurt Busiek]

Don't be silly Sarah, there's bound to be someone at DC Kurt wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. You could do the new adventures of Rainbow Raider! ;)

The Rainbow Raider was a Cary Bates Flash character! Of course I'd write him!

As it happens, he's dead -- but I did co-create the new Rainbow Raiders, a whole spectrum of color-specific villains based on his technology -- in my JLA run.

kdb

[Kurt Busiek]

Avengers Forever isn't in an OHC book. And it should be, given how beautiful Pacheco's art is.

Ah, that's true...!

kdb

[Gail Simone]

Hey Gail,

Do you have myspace?
If so, can I send you a friend request from my stores page?

Yes, and please do!

Gail

[Josh Simon]

Yes, and please do!

Gail

Awesome,

So what's the dirt? I've been missing this board for a while now.

[AIPman1]

Humor always has a use. Unlike pages of pointless argument.

I beleive I had a point. Not that I'm going to try to explain it.

New point: couldn't discussions that have nothing to do with furthering the cause of this thread be done in other threads?

I think my "particularly sad" butt is done here. Now that Olney's not here to attack, most of the posts have been jibber jabber. Which is fine if that's what people are in this thread for. I've kept following because I want to seriously see the outcome of the lawsuits, and positive things like Unscrewed (which, thankfully, can be followed on it's own now).

The actual SUPPORT from people here for the actual building of system to report on scams and deadbeats that I got started in the SPA has been underwhelming at best.

Maybe I'm just in a bad mood, but I don't like feeling "looked down" on from people whose perspetive on the industry is different.

yiddish discussions. GAAAA. I was trying to illustrait the disrespect of some people yesterday, whatever.

[Kurt Busiek]

Proof at last that OKRA, at least in its earliest form, actually gave away some comics:

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/25/olneygate-fall-out-unscrewed/#comments

kdb

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Proof at last that OKRA, at least in its earliest form, actually gave away some comics:

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/25/olneygate-fall-out-unscrewed/#comments

kdb

That shocked me on levels even I'm suprised of. Now that guys feels ashamed in some way to have known the guy. WOW....

[khuxford]

I beleive I had a point. Not that I'm going to try to explain it.

New point: couldn't discussions that have nothing to do with furthering the cause of this thread be done in other threads?

As a neutral party, it doesn't seem like you're fully dropping this argument when you keep coming back around to this.

But, on your new point, Gail has said that all the side discussions are welcome here and don't need to find their own threads.

[AIPman1]

As a neutral party, it doesn't seem like you're fully dropping this argument when you keep coming back around to this.

Sorry, treating people with respect is a pet peeve of mine. I'll try harder not to point out the people who would rather say shut up than try to understand.

But, on your new point, Gail has said that all the side discussions are welcome here and don't need to find their own threads.
noted. Carry on your discussion of yiddish then folks. I'll wade through it all till there's actual developments like Kurt's post there...

[TomStillwell]

That shocked me on levels even I'm suprised of. Now that guys feels ashamed in some way to have known the guy. WOW....

I'm not really shocked.

I'm sure that ORCA has done good things over the years towards furthering the goal of introducing people to comics. I'm sure that many members involved are very sincere people with good intentions.

Personally, though, I question Olney's motivation for starting ORCA. I don't want to get into all kinds of wild accusations here. I can't prove any of the hunches I have. I do strongly believe Olney benefited from ORCA far more than anyone else.

We do know that there are questions about ORCA and donations. That really concerns me.

[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

IT'S CORN! NOT MAIZE YOU SAVAGE!

ITS OBVIOUS THAT WHEN WHITE PEOPLE DO THINGS ITS OKAY!

:p

Me heap sorry.

[Scott Shaw!]

Proof at last that OKRA, at least in its earliest form, actually gave away some comics:

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/25/olneygate-fall-out-unscrewed/#comments

kdb

"OKRA"? Kurt, ol' buddy, don't you mean ORCA? Don't worry, it's easy to get the two of 'em confused. After all --

-- Both are slimey!
-- Most people don't care for either one!*
and
-- Okra is a vegetable and Rick Olney has the scruples of a vegetable!

Aloha,

Scott!

* Actually, I love okra, especially when it's fried! And for that matter, I'll love seeing ORCA -- or at least Rick Olney -- get tried-and-fried by a courtroom jury! -- SS!

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

"OKRA"? Kurt, ol' buddy, don't you mean ORCA? Don't worry, it's easy to get the two of 'em confused. After all --

-- Both are slimey!
-- Most people don't care for either one!*
and
-- Okra is a vegetable and Rick Olney has the scruples of a vegetable!

Aloha,

Scott!

* Actually, I love okra, especially when it's fried! And for that matter, I'll love seeing ORCA -- or at least Rick Olney -- get tried-and-fried by a courtroom jury! -- SS!

How DARE you bring vegetables in on this. Apologize dang it! You hurt my carrot's feelings comparing their scruples to Olney. At least vegetables are good for you.

JP

[Sarah Beach]

It's obvious that some good was done by the organization ORCA -- when it was a club geared to getting comics to kids and talking about them. But I think Olney gradually made it All About Him. His efforts to get books to people, not the getting of books to people.

And that's a pity. Because he's now tainted the organization with his own behavior. Using "orcafresh" as a screen name, he's made everyone link the name to him and not a readers' group. Perhaps the organization should work at changing its name, and get away from the history with Olney. Just get back to getting comic books to the local kids who can't get them.

[AIPman1]

It's obvious that some good was done by the organization ORCA -- when it was a club geared to getting comics to kids and talking about them. But I think Olney gradually made it All About Him. His efforts to get books to people, not the getting of books to people.

And that's a pity. Because he's now tainted the organization with his own behavior. Using "orcafresh" as a screen name, he's made everyone link the name to him and not a readers' group. Perhaps the organization should work at changing its name, and get away from the history with Olney. Just get back to getting comic books to the local kids who can't get them.

Interesting thought...did Rick Olney actually FOUND Orca? I seem to remember talk of other leaders in the group at some point in it's histoty, though I can't pinpoint it to any specific conversation or such. By the time I started working with Olney, Orca had been in a many years decline, and within a year or so then was when he dumped the Orca site and forum as his active base, and started the MMC site.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Anyone who spells is "Qabballist" is a posuer.

So there.
Anybody who spells poseur posuer, is is somebody who likes walking around calling everyone a poseur--so there! The Berg Sideshow Barkers spell it with a 'K', European Christian Tradition (yes--it exists) spell it with a 'C'. I prefer the QBLH version to differentiate. I'm a Reincarnated Gnostic Bishop. Or I'm the Ultimate Dabbler. either way, I can spell it how I damn well please. I encourage you to be rude based on a display of faulty knowledge, not personal prejudice of your Tradition over 'spelling'. It smells like dogma.

To Neil--"The Sephirot consist of TEN--NOT NINE, NOT ELEVEN. TEN--get it thru yah thick skull!!! (a paraphrase of my favorite line in Sefer Yetzirah)

[Typo Lad]

Anybody who spells poseur posuer, is is somebody who likes walking around calling everyone a poseur--so there!

Or, you know, dyslexic.

Still you're mostly right/

The Berg Sideshow Barkers spell it with a 'K', European Christian Tradition (yes--it exists) spell it with a 'C'. I prefer the QBLH version to differentiate. I'm a Reincarnated Gnostic Bishop. Or I'm the Ultimate Dabbler. either way, I can spell it how I damn well please. I encourage you to be rude based on a display of faulty knowledge, not personal prejudice of your Tradition over 'spelling'. It smells like dogma.

The smell of dogma is bad enough, but the smell of wet dogma is the worst.

For the record, I was trying to be funny before. As Neil points out,. it's a transliteration. There's no "right" English spelling.

[Danny Donovan]

First, Neil good to see you here. Been awhile. Congrats on the good work you've done while I've been "underground" damn witless protection agency!

Second, now that you mention it Kurt I DO remember the team of Raiders! I picked RR off the top of my head... Okay what about Signalman? Can Sarah have Signalman? :-p

And yay, Heidi ran the press release!

I need to get on the follow-ups. That'll learn me to sleep in the daytime. ;)

Also, it's snowing off and on. YAY SNOWDAY!

[neil kleid]

Anybody who spells poseur posuer, is is somebody who likes walking around calling everyone a poseur--so there! The Berg Sideshow Barkers spell it with a 'K', European Christian Tradition (yes--it exists) spell it with a 'C'. I prefer the QBLH version to differentiate. I'm a Reincarnated Gnostic Bishop. Or I'm the Ultimate Dabbler. either way, I can spell it how I damn well please. I encourage you to be rude based on a display of faulty knowledge, not personal prejudice of your Tradition over 'spelling'. It smells like dogma.

To Neil--"The Sephirot consist of TEN--NOT NINE, NOT ELEVEN. TEN--get it thru yah thick skull!!! (a paraphrase of my favorite line in Sefer Yetzirah)

Oh, I'm aware, dude. Ten it is:

http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Sefirot/Sefirot.GIF

As far as the whole spelling thing goes I go with the Hebrew letters first and foremost, the 'K' second as that's how my religion tends to transliterate it, and then I head into the "Cabbala" camp because that's how a great number of the European and Middle Eastern traditions transliterate it. I've got nothing against the "Q" - just not the way I roll. But to each their own, yknow?

[colleen]

It occurs to me that if Unscrewed wanted to be even more useful, their anthology ought to include at least a few pages devoted solely to creator resources. Unions, references, trade organizations, legal resources, copyright and trademark basic info, etc.



c

[Kurt Busiek]

Second, now that you mention it Kurt I DO remember the team of Raiders! I picked RR off the top of my head... Okay what about Signalman? Can Sarah have Signalman? :-p

Mmmn, Signalman. I dunno.

Signalman...

kdb

[Typo Lad]

I'm starting to rebel against the K because of the Kaballah movement, which is the Rick Olney of religions.

full circle baby!

[EdContradictory]

We do know that there are questions about ORCA and donations. That really concerns me.
Olney giving some kids some free comics and Olney donating comics to charity are two entirely different topics, really.

[Gail Simone]

VERY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT.

I've been told that there's a rumor, or a bit more than a rumor, that Rick is going around to people he's cheated asking them to remove their posts here and elsewhere.

The same, "maybe I'll pay you someday, but probably not, but I DEFINITELY won't pay you as long as those messages stay up" rhetoric is being used. Guys, he is still threatening people, continuing to cheat them, AND insulting them, he's just taken it all to private correspondence.

To those who have had the courage to come forward, I ask you not to delete your posts. They are the ONLY reason Rick won't easily be allowed to cheat and threaten people again. If you think complying with Rick's wishes will get you paid, I ask you to think of all the people here he's owed money to for years that he made no effort to pay whatsoever, and come to your own conclusion.

HOWEVER. If you decide to cave on this, for whatever reasons, I'm begging you to at the very least save your posts and any responses from Rick. It is the only chance you will ever see money out of this man, and it's a very very slim chance at that.

Don't delete. If you do, for your own protection, you MUST save your posts, so you have a record of his behavior, threats, insults, and untruths.

Just posting a head's up. Rick thinks he can get out of this by further manipulating people he's already badly mistreated.

Wrong, Rick. The only way out of this with even a chance of redemption is paying the people you owe, like any DECENT person of HONOR would, and apologizing for your gross neglect of any sort of honest business practices.

PAY THESE PEOPLE.

Gail

[Typo Lad]

Plus there's still the matter of the items donated for auctions that never happened.

[Typo Lad]

Wow. He just doesn't have common sense.

Someone with more legal leanings than I: Isn't that a threat of some kind he's making?

[Gail Simone]

Interesting thought...did Rick Olney actually FOUND Orca? I seem to remember talk of other leaders in the group at some point in it's histoty, though I can't pinpoint it to any specific conversation or such. By the time I started working with Olney, Orca had been in a many years decline, and within a year or so then was when he dumped the Orca site and forum as his active base, and started the MMC site.

I did get an email a while back that most of the grunt work was done by others in the later days, but Rick still took all the credit.

But it was second-hand information.

Gail

[EdContradictory]

Don't delete. If you do, for your own protection, you MUST save your posts, so you have a record of his behavior, threats, insults, and untruths.

Matt saved 'em all anyway.

There might be no visible public record if everyone went along with it... but I can't see people being that gullible again. Not after all this.

And Rick, this is a whole new level of scumbaggery. Even if every post went away like magic, no one's forgetting what you did to these people. You're not going to get to "wait it out" and "try again" later.

[EdContradictory]

Someone with more legal leanings than I: Isn't that a threat of some kind he's making?
Is it extortion, maybe?

[Gail Simone]

Yeah, no kidding.

GREAT JOB, GUYS!

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/25/olneygate-fall-out-unscrewed/

and at the newsarama blog:

http://blog.newsarama.com/

Great, great work. I admit I'm a little behind with Unscrewed, but if I can help in some way, let me know, please.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

I predict right now, that not only will Rick never publish a comic, I predict Orca and the Mighty Mini Con are both dead and gone. He ruined his own reputation far, far too much for the community to ever support him.

Gail

[AaronJ]

VERY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT.

I've been told that there's a rumor, or a bit more than a rumor, that Rick is going around to people he's cheated asking them to remove their posts here and elsewhere.

Gail

There is no depth too deep, nor any delusion too extreme for this man, it seems.

Talk about someone not getting it. Wow.

[Papergirl]

Okies. I'm going to attempt to reply to this, point by point, rather than picking one line and beating it to death. I apologize to everyone else in advance, but I tried to be good and keep my mouth shut here. Just didn't work this time.

I beleive I had a point. Not that I'm going to try to explain it.

Good idea. I think you and Kurt beat that particular horse til it is not only dead, but has been ground up and turned into dog food.

New point: couldn't discussions that have nothing to do with furthering the cause of this thread be done in other threads?

As has been pointed out, Gail (the actual moderator of this particular forum) has stated the off-topic sidetracks are fine here. Her board, her rules. I respect that.

I think my "particularly sad" butt is done here.

There is a HUGE difference between calling someone "particularly sad" and calling what they SAID "particularly sad". Matt was referring to what you said, not as a personal statement about you.

Now that Olney's not here to attack, most of the posts have been jibber jabber. Which is fine if that's what people are in this thread for. I've kept following because I want to seriously see the outcome of the lawsuits, and positive things like Unscrewed (which, thankfully, can be followed on it's own now).

Okay, let me see if I have this straight. It's okay for you to stray off-topic (remember: OLNEY is the actual topic of this thread) and post your ideas for SPA and to fight semantics with Kurt til we're all blue in the face, but it's not okay for others to go off-topic-- especially if it's not something you are interested in. Okay. Got it. Thanks.

The actual SUPPORT from people here for the actual building of system to report on scams and deadbeats that I got started in the SPA has been underwhelming at best.

Most likely, the lack of response is due to your posts being literally buried in this thread. Try taking your own advice and starting a new thread on it, instead of posting it here for it to get lost among the "jibber jabber".

Maybe I'm just in a bad mood, but I don't like feeling "looked down" on from people whose perspetive on the industry is different.

Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick.

I just went through this with another friend, and I think he finally understands what I'm saying. He can out himself, if he wants, but if I wasn't afraid to say it to him, I'm sure as hell not afraid to say it to you:

Just because someone doesn't agree with you does not mean they are looking down on you. Get off the cross, Ian. I like you and think you have some great ideas and input, but it's that kind of persecution complex attitude that turns people off. You completely lose your audience before they even finish what you're saying, when you make statements like that.

yiddish discussions. GAAAA. I was trying to illustrait the disrespect of some people yesterday, whatever.

Again, I repeat, get off the cross. As was stated by several people here-- including Gail: [b]You BOTH had good points, and the horse was beaten to a bloody pulp. There was no reason to keep it going.[b]

~Bev
Deliving kicks to shins that need it since 1997.

[Sarah Beach]

Originally Posted by Danny Donovan
Second, now that you mention it Kurt I DO remember the team of Raiders! I picked RR off the top of my head... Okay what about Signalman? Can Sarah have Signalman? :-p

Mmmn, Signalman. I dunno.

Signalman...

kdb

:D Remember, Kurt, I too have access to that great resource John Wells (aka Mikishawm). He can tell me what characters have been used, abused, misused, killed, made undead, etc. Heh.



Oh! In fact, he and I have had such discussions. ;)

[wildwill]

Um, see there's a thing about deleting or editing your own posts in VBB software, YOU CAN TURN IT OFF as an admin. You can even do it for specific forums, or even specific people. A lot of message boards have already done this, might be a wise idea for this board.

Just a though, I'll go back to lurking now.

[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

It occurs to me that if Unscrewed wanted to be even more useful, their anthology ought to include at least a few pages devoted solely to creator resources. Unions, references, trade organizations, legal resources, copyright and trademark basic info, etc.



c

Excellent ideas. I had one as well but I will leave it to others to determine whether it is excellent or not.

What are the chances anyone can use this situation to provide a sort of whistleblower website or resource that creators and freelancers can access to let them know of individuals or incidents such as this.

If moderated properly (i.e.: weeding out the chafe) and the ability to post anonymously in case someone doesn't want publisher retaliation or some such I feel it would be an enormous aide.

It isn't like Olney is alone in the camp of folks who have screwed others. Just the most recent and one of the most noxious examples.

Is this doable?

[Sarah Beach]

VERY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT.

I've been told that there's a rumor, or a bit more than a rumor, that Rick is going around to people he's cheated asking them to remove their posts here and elsewhere.

The same, "maybe I'll pay you someday, but probably not, but I DEFINITELY won't pay you as long as those messages stay up" rhetoric is being used. Guys, he is still threatening people, continuing to cheat them, AND insulting them, he's just taken it all to private correspondence.

To those who have had the courage to come forward, I ask you not to delete your posts. They are the ONLY reason Rick won't easily be allowed to cheat and threaten people again. If you think complying with Rick's wishes will get you paid, I ask you to think of all the people here he's owed money to for years that he made no effort to pay whatsoever, and come to your own conclusion.

HOWEVER. If you decide to cave on this, for whatever reasons, I'm begging you to at the very least save your posts and any responses from Rick. It is the only chance you will ever see money out of this man, and it's a very very slim chance at that.

Don't delete. If you do, for your own protection, you MUST save your posts, so you have a record of his behavior, threats, insults, and untruths.

Just posting a head's up. Rick thinks he can get out of this by further manipulating people he's already badly mistreated.

Wrong, Rick. The only way out of this with even a chance of redemption is paying the people you owe, like any DECENT person of HONOR would, and apologizing for your gross neglect of any sort of honest business practices.

PAY THESE PEOPLE.

Gail

Is he also expecting those who witnessed the posts being made to sort of "unwitness" them? If the posts were removed, that is? Just because someone deleted a post, doesn't undo the fact that other peole read them and can speak (ie, testify) to such. Nevermind all the copies that were made of the entire thread.

And what possible benefit do the posters get for removing their own statements? Payment from Rick that he is legally obligated to make anyway?

What a jerk.

[Papergirl]

Rick's proven himself to be untrustworthy. Especially in regards to paying those who did work for him. I honestly, at this point, can't imagine anyone falling for that line.

~Bev

[JTPencils]

VERY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT.

I've been told that there's a rumor, or a bit more than a rumor, that Rick is going around to people he's cheated asking them to remove their posts here and elsewhere.

The same, "maybe I'll pay you someday, but probably not, but I DEFINITELY won't pay you as long as those messages stay up" rhetoric is being used. Guys, he is still threatening people, continuing to cheat them, AND insulting them, he's just taken it all to private correspondence.

To those who have had the courage to come forward, I ask you not to delete your posts. They are the ONLY reason Rick won't easily be allowed to cheat and threaten people again. If you think complying with Rick's wishes will get you paid, I ask you to think of all the people here he's owed money to for years that he made no effort to pay whatsoever, and come to your own conclusion.

HOWEVER. If you decide to cave on this, for whatever reasons, I'm begging you to at the very least save your posts and any responses from Rick. It is the only chance you will ever see money out of this man, and it's a very very slim chance at that.

Don't delete. If you do, for your own protection, you MUST save your posts, so you have a record of his behavior, threats, insults, and untruths.

Just posting a head's up. Rick thinks he can get out of this by further manipulating people he's already badly mistreated.

Wrong, Rick. The only way out of this with even a chance of redemption is paying the people you owe, like any DECENT person of HONOR would, and apologizing for your gross neglect of any sort of honest business practices.

PAY THESE PEOPLE.

Gail

Gail, though I appreciate that fact that some have indeed gone forward and began their own legal actions against the slug, there's still the fact that... in small claims court, collection of anything has the same impact as not having won at all. It's a moral victory, and the person filing and winning will probably feel good deep down inside for showing the Herkimer hick exactly WHAT side the law is on (not his, that's for sure). But that's about it. Oh sure, the judge may SAY "you owe these people... we find for the complaintant, so pay up"... but that's about as far as it can go really. Collection of the settlement has no real teeth to it. The only thing you can do, is wait (again). When I had a similar situation in my past with a disreputible publisher, I went this whole route. Took him to small claims... stated my case, watched as he twisted in the wind in front of the court (claiming that his own witnesses that he had paid to have served and brought in, that they were going to lie under oath)... and won. I was awarded the amount I laid claim to... and the court costs... I felt great. Justice was done. Then I found out... getting what was due me... was gonna be tougher then just winning the case. So though Mark's most generous offer is a wonderful thing... and the inner peace that someone will get from taking this guy in front of an actual flesh and blood judge (instead of the mystical legal minds that slugworth contends to associate with) is all well and good. It's still going to come down to GETTING what's owed you. The judge may SAY "pay up"... but then it's a matter of actually getting it. Once again, it'll go onto peanut's "soon" list. That's my one qualm about setting up a case of my own.

Just my thoughts. Warbly as they seem.

[Jack Zodiac]

I don't see how or why he'd think that deleting these posts would somehow save his stupid ass from getting sued. All this is is a distraction. The real hell will be whenever a lawyer gets a hold of his conman ass and starts shaking what little money he has left out of his pockets. What a pathetic shit.

So? Any news on someone finally hearing from his lawyer, or anybody's lawyer finally getting a hold of him?

[THEDOC]

Gail, though I appreciate that fact that some have indeed gone forward and began their own legal actions against the slug, there's still the fact that... in small claims court, collection of anything has the same impact as not having won at all. It's a moral victory, and the person filing and winning will probably feel good deep down inside for showing the Herkimer hick exactly WHAT side the law is on (not his, that's for sure). But that's about it. Oh sure, the judge may SAY "you owe these people... we find for the complaintant, so pay up"... but that's about as far as it can go really. Collection of the settlement has no real teeth to it. The only thing you can do, is wait (again). When I had a similar situation in my past with a disreputible publisher, I went this whole route. Took him to small claims... stated my case, watched as he twisted in the wind in front of the court (claiming that his own witnesses that he had paid to have served and brought in, that they were going to lie under oath)... and won. I was awarded the amount I laid claim to... and the court costs... I felt great. Justice was done. Then I found out... getting what was due me... was gonna be tougher then just winning the case. So though Mark's most generous offer is a wonderful thing... and the inner peace that someone will get from taking this guy in front of an actual flesh and blood judge (instead of the mystical legal minds that slugworth contends to associate with) is all well and good. It's still going to come down to GETTING what's owed you. The judge may SAY "pay up"... but then it's a matter of actually getting it. Once again, it'll go onto peanut's "soon" list. That's my one qualm about setting up a case of my own.

Just my thoughts. Warbly as they seem.

Couldn't they just garner his wages from his job and or his wife as she was co-owner of TL at one time?

[THEDOC]

VERY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT.

I've been told that there's a rumor, or a bit more than a rumor, that Rick is going around to people he's cheated asking them to remove their posts here and elsewhere.

The same, "maybe I'll pay you someday, but probably not, but I DEFINITELY won't pay you as long as those messages stay up" rhetoric is being used. Guys, he is still threatening people, continuing to cheat them, AND insulting them, he's just taken it all to private correspondence.

To those who have had the courage to come forward, I ask you not to delete your posts. They are the ONLY reason Rick won't easily be allowed to cheat and threaten people again. If you think complying with Rick's wishes will get you paid, I ask you to think of all the people here he's owed money to for years that he made no effort to pay whatsoever, and come to your own conclusion.

HOWEVER. If you decide to cave on this, for whatever reasons, I'm begging you to at the very least save your posts and any responses from Rick. It is the only chance you will ever see money out of this man, and it's a very very slim chance at that.

Don't delete. If you do, for your own protection, you MUST save your posts, so you have a record of his behavior, threats, insults, and untruths.

Just posting a head's up. Rick thinks he can get out of this by further manipulating people he's already badly mistreated.

Wrong, Rick. The only way out of this with even a chance of redemption is paying the people you owe, like any DECENT person of HONOR would, and apologizing for your gross neglect of any sort of honest business practices.

PAY THESE PEOPLE.

Gail

Will any of those be coming forward to post what "Rick" sent them?

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Oh, I'm aware, dude. Ten it is:

http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Sefirot/Sefirot.GIF

As far as the whole spelling thing goes I go with the Hebrew letters first and foremost, the 'K' second as that's how my religion tends to transliterate it, and then I head into the "Cabbala" camp because that's how a great number of the European and Middle Eastern traditions transliterate it. I've got nothing against the "Q" - just not the way I roll. But to each their own, yknow?

Wow--we are a techy bunch--to Typo, too--we're all good! I was pointing out the only line in Sefer Yetzirah that makes me laugh, outright--and I'm still not sure if Da'Ath isn't one of the Sephirot. Is it a Path or a Sephira? Is it a particle or a wave? Is it a Wavicle? All I know is the Abyss keeps looking back at me! Also, all I know is until Rav Berg's fad goes away, or grows up, it makes Hebrew Tradition, and most the rest of us, look BAD.
I came at it from the works of Israel Regardie, and kept digging. I'm a mutt, descended from Europeans, Czech (on Father's) and Septimanian Jews (on my Mothers side) and am a full 3/8ths Cherokee. I didn't know my great-grandfather, a Jew, had changed his name from Reichenberger to Ritchey went he moved from Swansea, Wales to Rome, Georgia in 1918, until last year. German or Jewish-sounding names weren't popular in the South at the time. I'm still struggling with Hebrew, but English Gematria was a fine introduction to using the same muscles. I'm culturally disjointed, so I've studied every tradition. Did you know the Cherokee (who called themselves Ani Yunwiya) worshiped a Supreme, One G-d named Yowa (pronounced YahWay), and talked of 7 Sacred Directions?

I've never seen Gevurah as Din before. I like learning new things.

[AaronJ]

I don't see how or why he'd think that deleting these posts would somehow save his stupid ass from getting sued. All this is is a distraction. The real hell will be whenever a lawyer gets a hold of his conman ass and starts shaking what little money he has left out of his pockets. What a pathetic shit.

So? Any news on someone finally hearing from his lawyer, or anybody's lawyer finally getting a hold of him?

Do you think he might actually be doing this not for legal reasons, but because he honestly (erm ...) believes that he a reputation worth salvaging at this point?

[Jack Zodiac]

Well, he is a fucking nutjob, so who knows? Point is, he's worrying about what other people are saying when it shouldn't really make a difference at this point. Even Anne Frank could see this guy is fucked.

Note: Yes, I know, that last sentence sounds incredibly weird, but it'd make sense if you'd seen "Clerks II."

[TomStillwell]

Couldn't they just garner his wages from his job and or his wife as she was co-owner of TL at one time?

They can do better than that. They can liquidate his comic collection.

[Gail Simone]

They can do better than that. They can liquidate his comic collection.

That right there is why I've always been suspicious of Rick telling Ronee he needed to 'secure his assets.' I think he knew he was going to be sued.

Gail

[Danny Donovan]

Great, great work. I admit I'm a little behind with Unscrewed, but if I can help in some way, let me know, please.

Gail

Actually Gail, you can! ^_^ Do you mind if we use your name on future press releases? I have gotten some negative feeback on the first press release due to the fact that there are no recognizable names lumped in with the group. I believe the terms "self grandizing" and "taking advantage of a situation" were used.

Even though this DOES effect more than people who work for smaller companies. Chuck Dixon and Val Staples got taken. And who was it the person on Y The Last Man I think it was, Dave L something (I suck at names) was going to draw Deep Blue for TLE.

But if we were able to toss in your name and Scott, Mark, Kurt, etc. it might make the "vocal minority" think twice before calling it a sad excuse to get ones name out there, merely because they don't recognize any names and have the message lost to them. :)

Thanks!

[TomStillwell]

That right there is why I've always been suspicious of Rick telling Ronee he needed to 'secure his assets.' I think he knew he was going to be sued.

Gail

I'm hoping a judge orders him to liquidate the comics and that he tries to pull one over on the court by either hiding them or claiming less than he owns. Judges love that. And really, if a judge wants that collection found in its entirety...it's going to be found.

Information always leaves a trail.

[TomStillwell]

Actually Gail, you can! ^_^ Do you mind if we use your name on future press releases? I have gotten some negative feeback on the first press release due to the fact that there are no recognizable names lumped in with the group. I believe the terms "self grandizing" and "taking advantage of a situation" were used.

Even though this DOES effect more than people who work for smaller companies. Chuck Dixon and Val Staples got taken. And who was it the person on Y The Last Man I think it was, Dave L something (I suck at names) was going to draw Deep Blue for TLE.

But if we were able to toss in your name and Scott, Mark, Kurt, etc. it might make the "vocal minority" think twice before calling it a sad excuse to get ones name out there, merely because they don't recognize any names and have the message lost to them. :)

Thanks!

Dave Lanphear worked for TLE as creative director.

[EdContradictory]

I just heard that some states may have additional penalties for breaking a contract.

[Kozemp]

VERY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT.

I've been told that there's a rumor, or a bit more than a rumor, that Rick is going around to people he's cheated asking them to remove their posts here and elsewhere.

The same, "maybe I'll pay you someday, but probably not, but I DEFINITELY won't pay you as long as those messages stay up" rhetoric is being used. Guys, he is still threatening people, continuing to cheat them, AND insulting them, he's just taken it all to private correspondence.

...


I'd like to see some of these messages posted publicly.

Not because I don't believe Gail - I certainly do - I just think it would be entertaining.

JLK
Are you not entertained?

[Danny Donovan]

That right there is why I've always been suspicious of Rick telling Ronee he needed to 'secure his assets.' I think he knew he was going to be sued.

Gail

Also anything he owns outright. Homes, land, cars, etc. Anything of value can be liquidated to repay debts deemed by the courts.

Ronee! is there any way of getting some kind of detail on what you were asked to do and why in regards to his assets? That might help show that he knew what he was doing was wrong in a legal sense.

[TomStillwell]

Also anything he owns outright. Homes, land, cars, etc. Anything of value can be liquidated to repay debts deemed by the courts.

Ronee! is there any way of getting some kind of detail on what you were asked to do and why in regards to his assets? That might help show that he knew what he was doing was wrong in a legal sense.

As far as I can tell he owns no real estate. There's nothing in his name or that of his wife in the state of New York.

[Danny Donovan]

Dave Lanphear worked for TLE as creative director.

Aha! Thank you Tom!

I could not remember that guys last name to save my life. I knew it started with an L. But I was too lazy to google.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Ok...so far I have just a small update on one of Olney's problems.

Confirmation will have to wait still a little bit, but it IS being followed up on.

And, a threatened countersuit NEVER came through. (And most likely will not)

[Sarah Beach]

Do you think he might actually be doing this not for legal reasons, but because he honestly (erm ...) believes that he a reputation worth salvaging at this point?

Oh, I think that's it exactly. And if people he owe money to retract their statements, he can go around stoking his ego with the illusion of righteous indignation.

Remember, this is a guy who seems to have a knack for finding new crews of "innocent" followers. And if he can get some of the more damaging statements off the net, when those new followers do their own searching, the statements won't be found! So then he can tell them the "statements" never really existed, in spite of what others might say. He could even use the "arguement" that the copies of posts and threads were all concocted by people out to get him. Again, remember, he's accused Gail of forging her copies of their email correspondence (though why he'd imagine anyone would waste their time doing that - faking his bizarre outlook and bad command of the language -- it's beyond me).

He's all about the illusion of "looking good".

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Well, your posts are funny!

Okay, go ahead and write all those books. Just tell DC I said it's okay.

;)

Gail

YAY!!! with the combined force of You, Scott Hampton and Bruce Jones giving me recommendations, I'll be running that place in a month...but..

...you mean, just go ahead and write them, instead of hemming, hawing, whining and blustering like a big loser that I'm the right guy for the job? That's intimidating. I wouldn't have any excuses if they sucked. :D

[JohnPopa]

Actually Gail, you can! ^_^ Do you mind if we use your name on future press releases? I have gotten some negative feeback on the first press release due to the fact that there are no recognizable names lumped in with the group. I believe the terms "self grandizing" and "taking advantage of a situation" were used.

Even though this DOES effect more than people who work for smaller companies. Chuck Dixon and Val Staples got taken. And who was it the person on Y The Last Man I think it was, Dave L something (I suck at names) was going to draw Deep Blue for TLE.

But if we were able to toss in your name and Scott, Mark, Kurt, etc. it might make the "vocal minority" think twice before calling it a sad excuse to get ones name out there, merely because they don't recognize any names and have the message lost to them. :)

Thanks!

You don't need anyone's name to make it clear that the book is being created by the professionals who were cheated by Rick Olney. All you need to say is 'the book is being created by the professionals who were cheated by Rick Olney.' (Obviously, you can leave out Rick's name if you're so inclined and say 'one unscrupulous publiser' or whatever.)

But saying, as the press release does, that it's a benefit FOR those creators creates a much different image than saying it's a benefit BY those creators.

It's not us 'naysayers' fault that the press release was vague.

[Sarah Beach]

YAY!!! with the combined force of You, Scott Hampton and Bruce Jones giving me recommendations, I'll be running that place in a month...but..

...you mean, just go ahead and write them, instead of hemming, hawing, whining and blustering like a big loser that I'm the right guy for the job? That's intimidating. I wouldn't have any excuses if they sucked. :D

:p Ah, bah! That will get you nowhere. Schmoozing, pitching, whining, begging.... and grovelling. Grovelling may be good. Those are the things that will get you ahead.

But yes, you do have to take your chances, and offer up something for people to read. Be bold! Be brave!

..... unless, of course, you want to write Batman. If that's your ambition, you can stay curled up on your sofa, drinking beer and watching football. There's already enough competition there for me, thankyouverymuch. ;)

[the4thpip]

Um, see there's a thing about deleting or editing your own posts in VBB software, YOU CAN TURN IT OFF as an admin. You can even do it for specific forums, or even specific people. A lot of message boards have already done this, might be a wise idea for this board.

Just a though, I'll go back to lurking now.

While I usually do not like moves like that, it would certainly take the pressure of the people Olney is trying to extort here.

"Gee, Pricky. I would love to delete my post so you could pay me for my work next Wednesday, but evil ole Gail had that feature removed.

Hate her.

[Danny Donovan]

You don't need anyone's name to make it clear that the book is being created by the professionals who were cheated by Rick Olney. All you need to say is 'the book is being created by the professionals who were cheated by Rick Olney.' (Obviously, you can leave our Rick's name if you're so inclined and say 'one unscrupulous publiser' or whatever.)

But saying, as the press release does, that it's a benefit FOR those creators creates a much different image than saying it's a benefit BY those creators.

It's not us 'naysayers' fault that the press release was vague.

I admit that there was in fact a concious decision to make things somewhat vague... At the very least to avoid using Olney's name (I only did it in the subject header so the news media would bother reading it)

Future releases will take your points under consideration. ^_^

[EdContradictory]

A Guide to New York Small Claims Courts (http://www.courts.state.ny.us/ithaca/city/webpageguidetosmallclaims.html#anchor121320)

[Ronée]

Also anything he owns outright. Homes, land, cars, etc. Anything of value can be liquidated to repay debts deemed by the courts.

Ronee! is there any way of getting some kind of detail on what you were asked to do and why in regards to his assets? That might help show that he knew what he was doing was wrong in a legal sense.To make it clear, I was not asked to secure any of his assets, I was told more than once that HE was doing it. Something about some property around the arondacks (or however the hell you spell it) property that his father and cousin shared (the dying cousin he wanted to sue)... and some of his personal stuff that he didnt want her to have. Again, this is what I was told by him, who I have determined lies more often than he breathes.

Funny I didnt get asked to take anything down by him. In fact, I am still waiting on his lawyers info. he did send me an e-card after I resigned but before my column and site went live thanking me for being there for him but mentioning nothing of payment.

[EdContradictory]

A Guide to New York Small Claims Courts (http://www.courts.state.ny.us/ithaca/city/webpageguidetosmallclaims.html#anchor121320)

Also, as he has demonstrated a pattern of entering into contracts with no intention to pay, you may also be able to get him on fraud, which might bring punative damages into the mix.

[titanfan]

Also anything he owns outright. Homes, land, cars, etc. Anything of value can be liquidated to repay debts deemed by the courts.

From what I gather (based on the people who ran background checks on him), his profile doesn't fit the person who has a lot of assets.

[Papergirl]

Ok...so far I have just a small update on one of Olney's problems.

Confirmation will have to wait still a little bit, but it IS being followed up on.

If it's what I think it is, I can't wait to hear!

And, a threatened countersuit NEVER came through. (And most likely will not)

Probably not, as that would mean Olney would have to actually try to hire a lawyer. And, right now, I seriously doubt there's a lawyer in this country that would work for him.

~Bev

[JamesRitcheyIII]

:p Ah, bah! That will get you nowhere. Schmoozing, pitching, whining, begging.... and grovelling. Grovelling may be good. Those are the things that will get you ahead.

But yes, you do have to take your chances, and offer up something for people to read. Be bold! Be brave!

..... unless, of course, you want to write Batman. If that's your ambition, you can stay curled up on your sofa, drinking beer and watching football. There's already enough competition there for me, thankyouverymuch. ;)

HEE-HEE. This is evil, but my feeling about the Bat is that after Batman: Year One, anyone coming after might as well give up adding any dimension to the mythology. I like writing characters that you can seriously abuse, and have them come out stronger for it by the end of the story.

Ironically, my ambition is the polar opposite of most people in my particular 'cul-de-sac' of a career. I'd like to work for DC for a while to get some recognition, THEN start an 'Eclipse' model Indy Publisher to do my own properties (which are my 'Babies'), and resurrect Golden Age Public Domain characters. Practically the only Publishers I've been directly exposed to in the Indy market are 'Vanity Press', or as bottom-dollar status quo affirming as they are in the majors, and know what won't sell--anything outside of their niche--or they're soul-sucking frauds, like Ricky-Boy, or that Impulse Studios Rat whom me and Danny were exposed to a year and a half before. The fact that the comic industry seems to be balancing out from pure bottom line closer to art form is the only reason I'm actually even pursuing doing comics again.

[Danny Donovan]

\ Practically the only Publishers I've been directly exposed to in the Indy market are 'Vanity Press', or as bottom-dollar status quo affirming as they are in the majors, and know what won't sell--anything outside of their niche--or they're soul-sucking frauds, like Ricky-Boy, or that Impulse Studios Rat whom me and Danny were exposed to a year and a half before. The fact that the comic industry seems to be balancing out from pure bottom line closer to art form is the only reason I'm actually even pursuing doing comics again.


Don't forget Frank and Jim's WRAITH was part of that Impulse/Alliance pit as well. :-p Before they wisened up moved on and found lots of success!

Although about the goddamn batman, (which thanks to Frank Miller, is how I'll refer to him from now on) there is still a lot that can be done. Morrison is doing a fantastic job, and look at Dini from the Animated series to the current detective comics.

The bat has so many sides you can explore, the hero, the pulp character, the detective, etc.

[TomStillwell]

Practically the only Publishers I've been directly exposed to in the Indy market are 'Vanity Press', or as bottom-dollar status quo affirming as they are in the majors, and know what won't sell--anything outside of their niche--or they're soul-sucking frauds, like Ricky-Boy, or that Impulse Studios Rat whom me and Danny were exposed to a year and a half before.

Ouch. Really, ouch.

[Hybrid2]

VERY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT.

I've been told that there's a rumor, or a bit more than a rumor, that Rick is going around to people he's cheated asking them to remove their posts here and elsewhere.

The same, "maybe I'll pay you someday, but probably not, but I DEFINITELY won't pay you as long as those messages stay up" rhetoric is being used. Guys, he is still threatening people, continuing to cheat them, AND insulting them, he's just taken it all to private correspondence.

To those who have had the courage to come forward, I ask you not to delete your posts. They are the ONLY reason Rick won't easily be allowed to cheat and threaten people again. If you think complying with Rick's wishes will get you paid, I ask you to think of all the people here he's owed money to for years that he made no effort to pay whatsoever, and come to your own conclusion.

HOWEVER. If you decide to cave on this, for whatever reasons, I'm begging you to at the very least save your posts and any responses from Rick. It is the only chance you will ever see money out of this man, and it's a very very slim chance at that.

Don't delete. If you do, for your own protection, you MUST save your posts, so you have a record of his behavior, threats, insults, and untruths.

Just posting a head's up. Rick thinks he can get out of this by further manipulating people he's already badly mistreated.

Wrong, Rick. The only way out of this with even a chance of redemption is paying the people you owe, like any DECENT person of HONOR would, and apologizing for your gross neglect of any sort of honest business practices.

PAY THESE PEOPLE.

Gail

I'm wondering.

Is he trying to erace any trace of all he did,Orca and tightlips entertainment?
and pretend none of this ever hapened?

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Don't forget Frank and Jim's WRAITH was part of that Impulse/Alliance pit as well. :-p Before they wisened up moved on and found lots of success!

Although about the goddamn batman, (which thanks to Frank Miller, is how I'll refer to him from now on) there is still a lot that can be done. Morrison is doing a fantastic job, and look at Dini from the Animated series to the current detective comics.

The bat has so many sides you can explore, the hero, the pulp character, the detective, etc.

They've all been explored, beyond subtleties--it's a very smart, mentally ill man dressed as a giant Bat, fer chris'sakes!!! All you can do is mix and match previous takes on the personality--which I'll admit, in synthesis, Dini and Waid come to mind as having done superb jobs.

[Magneto_X]

Probably not, as that would mean Olney would have to actually try to hire a lawyer. And, right now, I seriously doubt there's a lawyer in this country that would work for him.

~Bev

Technically that's not true. There are court appointed lawyers, for example.

[Ronée]

ok ALL of you saw me tell Rick numerous times that I would comply with his wishes all he had to do was give me his lawyers contact info right??????

here is what I just got in my inbox...

Ronee,

So you're aware and no longer unsure:

I'm not paying you simply because you failed to accept my initial offer to end the matter. Now you WILL wait for my attorney to get around to you. And, if being a hypocrite makes you feel better about yourself then go for it.

Regards,
~Rick

Rick Olney
TightLip Entertainment
www.tightlipentertainment.com
"Lux Mentis, Lux Orbis"


Now someone make some sense out of it for me.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Now someone make some sense out of it for me.

Well, he is using a latin phrase to make himself sound smarter.

It failed.

It means "Light of the mind, Light of the world"

[Papergirl]

Technically that's not true. There are court appointed lawyers, for example.
Dunno. I've never sued or been sued. But, I would think that, as it is a.) a civil matter, and b.) more of a personal choice, court appointed lawyers wouldn't come into play here. I could be wrong, though. It happens. ;)

Can any of our legal people tell us for sure?

~Bev

[Samuel Catalino]

What the FUCK??? Send me this email privately. I will walk from Georgia to New York State and personally rip out Olney's liver, if that bastard is spreading more rumors about me. Or, at least, if there's proof, sue his ass for slander and loss of profession and monies resulting. :D

Ironic, since I never spoke badly about him publicly until last week.

This motherfucker has likely set my career back two years doing this conniving bullshit, and deserves whatever he gets!!!!

Pardon my outburst.

Okay, here is said email in its entirety. Please do not bother to rip out anyone's body parts. It is not worth it.

The email from the person in question trying to get me to come back after I resigned for the last time. Sent to my email address January 13 2006 4:38 PM

"Sam,

I've sent you a couple emails, telephoned you several
times and left messages and have heard nothing back.
As such, I no longer feel comfortable with making the
trek to Megacon this year. And that's a shame, because
I was looking forward to it prior to the various
problems, inter-communicationally and with the MMC
website. Anyway... I don't expect you to change your
mind and respond, so I'll be removing various columns
on the website this coming Monday.

The website is now fixed, and has been for nearly two
weeks. I only shared the deatisl with you (back then,
which you called a soap opera, as I recall) because
you had been a moderator. 'Course, that has all
changed and will continue to do so. As this email will
most likely be my last email to you. I'm aware that
you had a bad habit out of concern and friendship) of
listening to others instead of listening to me (in the
past regarding Danny Donovan, remember?) and it caused
'ripples' with us friendship wise.

Donovan no longer resides at the MMC. He and his
friends like Jim Richey were mild trouble.

And, well, in typing this I just wanted you to know
that I DID appreciate your friendship the last bunch
of years and wish you well. Take care and good luck.

Best always,
--Rick"

I felt since the email came up (which was not my intention), I thought it was only fair to share it with the forum.

Best,

Samuel

[Sarah Beach]

Ronee --- what a piece of crap he is.

And yes, we all saw him make the offer, and your expressed intention to comply, once he provided the needed contact... and your waiting and waiting for the information.

It's stupid of him. If he didn't want to send it by email or post it on line, he could just as easily MAILED it to you (which would, in fact, probably be a more legally compelling action -- both is offer of the matter, and his compliance with it).

He made it impossible for you to comply with the offer he "magnanimously" extended to you. Probably on purpose. How he possibly thinks that excuses him from paying you for work performed and accepted, I have no idea.

But yeah.... he's a jerk.

[Danny Donovan]

This is something I got Jan 12th 2007 which contradicts what he told Sam a year earlier.

==============
Danny,
Come back to the MMC. You are missed there and I can assure you things are not as bleak as they paint for me.
I valued your friendship and I foolishly let Sam came between us. I'm sorry. You know, back then I had two co-admins -- Doc Boucher and Doc Absurd. One of them got caught finaggling Catalino's profile.

Rick
===============


Nice huh?

;)

[Papergirl]

Awww, dang. He's not coming to MegaCon afterall. Damn.

"He and his friends like Jim Richey were mild trouble."

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Wow. Talk about passing the blame!

~Bev

[Matt Doc Martin]

Okay, here is said email in its entirety. Please do not bother to rip out anyone's body parts. It is not worth it.

The email from the person in question trying to get me to come back after I resigned for the last time. Sent to my email address January 13 2006 4:38 PM

"[B]Sam,

I've sent you a couple emails, telephoned you several
times and left messages and have heard nothing back.
As such, I no longer feel comfortable with making the
trek to Megacon this year. And that's a shame, because
I was looking forward to it prior to the various
problems, inter-communicationally and with the MMC
website.l


Shit. And I was SOOOO looking forward to getting my surprise.

And offering Rick one of my own. Repeatedly.

Rick, you cowardly fuck. All talk, no action. Pay Ronee and everyone else. Stop hiding behind your nonsensical rantings, little bitch.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Awww, dang. He's not coming to MegaCon afterall. Damn.

"He and his friends like Jim Richey were mild trouble."

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Wow. Talk about passing the blame!

~Bev

Waitaminute...

That email was from 2006.

He may come after all!

[Sarah Beach]

This is something I got Jan 12th 2007 which contradicts what he told Sam a year earlier.

==============
Danny,
Come back to the MMC. You are missed there and I can assure you things are not as bleak as they paint for me.
I valued your friendship and I foolishly let Sam came between us. I'm sorry. You know, back then I had two co-admins -- Doc Boucher and Doc Absurd. One of them got caught finaggling Catalino's profile.

Rick
===============


Nice huh?

;)

Man! Talk about smearing as many people as possible with one shot! And planting garbage he hopes would spread. "One of them".... cripes. What a jerk. Olney, that is, not anyone else.

[Papergirl]

Waitaminute...

That email was from 2006.

He may come after all!
W00T!

I'll bring my digital camera. It takes videos, too! :D

~Bev

[Samuel Catalino]

Shit. And I was SOOOO looking forward to getting my surprise.

And offering Rick one of my own. Repeatedly.

Rick, you cowardly fuck. All talk, no action. Pay Ronee and everyone else. Stop hiding behind your nonsensical rantings, little bitch.

Folks, the email he sent me was dated in January 2006.

I doubt that he will show up at Megacon this year either.

I would be happy to meet you though Matt.

Best,

Samuel

[Matt Doc Martin]

W00T!

I'll bring my digital camera. It takes videos, too! :D

~Bev

Yeah..some memories you just want to keep forever.

Meeting a GIANT creator like Dick Olney, a LEGEND IN HIS OWN MIND, a name that will never be forgotten.

I would still bet money he won't be there, though.


Sad, that...

[TCJohnson]

Now someone make some sense out of it for me.

Translation: I have money and you don't. Neener neener neener!

[Matt Doc Martin]

Folks, the email he sent me was dated in January 2006.

I doubt that he will show up at Megacon this year either.

I would be happy to meet you though Matt.

Best,

Samuel

No problemo. Are you just a guest there, or will you have a booth?

[Samuel Catalino]

No problemo. Are you just a guest there, or will you have a booth?


Oh, no, I am just a fan, like many other folks. I don't consider myself anymore than that.

I can testify that I have never missed a Megacon though.

[Papergirl]

Yeah..some memories you just want to keep forever.

Meeting a GIANT creator like Dick Olney, a LEGEND IN HIS OWN MIND, a name that will never be forgotten.

I would still bet money he won't be there, though.


Sad, that...
Eh. I'll bring the camera, just in case.

Never hurts to be prepared! ;)

~Bev

[Samuel Catalino]

W00T!

I'll bring my digital camera. It takes videos, too! :D

~Bev

Well, make sure I am not near your camera. I would hate to see your camera to break trying to capture my terrible looking reflection.

Best,

Samuel

[Papergirl]

Well, make sure I am not near your camera. I would hate to see your camera to break trying to capture my terrible looking reflection.

Best,

Samuel
Hee! Somehow I doubt you'd break it. Besides, if I was willing to risk it on Olney, I'm even more willing to risk it on anyone here! :)

~Bev

[Matt Doc Martin]

Oh, no, I am just a fan, like many other folks. I don't consider myself anymore than that.

I can testify that I have never missed a Megacon though.

Well, at 11:00, I will be by the Something Positive booth. Perhaps with a hot redhead by my side. Perhaps no hot redhead.

Look me up.

[wishlish]

Gail, though I appreciate that fact that some have indeed gone forward and began their own legal actions against the slug, there's still the fact that... in small claims court, collection of anything has the same impact as not having won at all. It's a moral victory, and the person filing and winning will probably feel good deep down inside for showing the Herkimer hick exactly WHAT side the law is on (not his, that's for sure). But that's about it. Oh sure, the judge may SAY "you owe these people... we find for the complaintant, so pay up"... but that's about as far as it can go really. Collection of the settlement has no real teeth to it. The only thing you can do, is wait (again). When I had a similar situation in my past with a disreputible publisher, I went this whole route. Took him to small claims... stated my case, watched as he twisted in the wind in front of the court (claiming that his own witnesses that he had paid to have served and brought in, that they were going to lie under oath)... and won. I was awarded the amount I laid claim to... and the court costs... I felt great. Justice was done. Then I found out... getting what was due me... was gonna be tougher then just winning the case. So though Mark's most generous offer is a wonderful thing... and the inner peace that someone will get from taking this guy in front of an actual flesh and blood judge (instead of the mystical legal minds that slugworth contends to associate with) is all well and good. It's still going to come down to GETTING what's owed you. The judge may SAY "pay up"... but then it's a matter of actually getting it. Once again, it'll go onto peanut's "soon" list. That's my one qualm about setting up a case of my own.

Just my thoughts. Warbly as they seem.
Keep in mind, though, that since the partnership is dissolved, you can go after Rick and Barbara Olney directly, not their business. If successful, you might be able to garnish wages to recover funds.

[Danny Donovan]

Man! Talk about smearing as many people as possible with one shot! And planting garbage he hopes would spread. "One of them".... cripes. What a jerk. Olney, that is, not anyone else.

It's just standard for him.

If he can't get an ally by blaming one person, he'll get it elsewhere by blaming someone else.

[wishlish]

Once again, Rick Olney cements his reputation for paying absolutely nobody and trying to make you feel bad for it.

Ronee, take Mark Waid's offer, sue him, and get the satisfaction that your judgement will be on his and Barbara's credit reports. You may never get your money, but he won't have gotten away with his crime.

This is what disturbs me. We've got nearly 10K posts, but no named plaintiffs against Olney. We have the wonderful Mark Waid who's promised to pay some of the costs to file against Olney. But I've only seen rumors that people have sued him.

If Olney walks away from TLE without being sued out his ass, I will be teh cry.

[Danny Donovan]

Well, at 11:00, I will be by the Something Positive booth. Perhaps with a hot redhead by my side. Perhaps no hot redhead.

Look me up.

Warning Matt! Hot redheads + cons = trouble!

:-p I wish I had the funds to go to MegaCon but........

[Samuel Catalino]

Well, at 11:00, I will be by the Something Positive booth. Perhaps with a hot redhead by my side. Perhaps no hot redhead.

Look me up.

11:00 which day?

Well, if you have a hot redhead by your side, I guess I will just have to be green with envy.

Best,

Samuel

[Samuel Catalino]

Warning Matt! Hot redheads + cons = trouble!

:-p I wish I had the funds to go to MegaCon but........

Are you going to Heroes Con this year, Danny?

[DarrenCawsey]

ok ALL of you saw me tell Rick numerous times that I would comply with his wishes all he had to do was give me his lawyers contact info right??????

here is what I just got in my inbox...



Ronee,

So you're aware and no longer unsure:

I'm not paying you simply because you failed to accept my initial offer to end the matter. Now you WILL wait for my attorney to get around to you. And, if being a hypocrite makes you feel better about yourself then go for it.

Regards,
~Rick

Rick Olney
TightLip Entertainment
www.tightlipentertainment.com
"Lux Mentis, Lux Orbis"

Now someone make some sense out of it for me.




Well shit this crap just pisses me off...

I mean, but he can't just.. he must pay for work rend... she DID say that...

What a complete asshat.




Here's a couple of completely different lines he has posted before:

Originally Posted by Rick Olney
Yes, I may have pissed in the pool, but...

Ronee has always known that in order to get piad her $800 dollars she'd need to quit jerking around and sign a release form generated by my attorney. I'm not playing out her work-for-hire arrangment here on this forum. Likewise, you need not carry TOTS #1 or any subsequent issues. We will survive just fine without your standard order. But thanks anyway. And I mean that.

After that one he promised to email her his lawyers contact details by the end of the day on 01-09-2007 (see Post # 2809)



and then later on:

4. Why will you not give Ronee the attorney contact information that she requires in order to comply with your conditions in order to be paid?

Answer: No, that isn't why Ronee wasn't given that specific informatuon. Ronee wasn't given any inforamtion because she's on the stage performing. She's an actress. When she's done performing and if she ever comes to her senses ... she knows how to contact me in order to get the release form. Other wise, if she believes that she really has a case -- which maybe Mark Waid would like to pay her legal bills? -- She can move forward in that manner. Maybe Mr. Waid will also pay for her divorce, child care expenses, groceries, and her DSL. Maybe?


Posted by Rick from TightLip Entertainment ™ on Friday, January 12, 2007 at 9:45 AM


This man resides in his own small little world inside his head. I just have no words, none.



---------------------

[Matt Doc Martin]

11:00 which day?

Well, if you have a hot redhead by your side, I guess I will just have to be green with envy.

Best,

Samuel


Saturday only

[Blake Petit]

Words absolutely fail me.

I think this is the flimsiest argument we've seen yet. And that's saying something.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Awww, dang. He's not coming to MegaCon afterall. Damn.

"He and his friends like Jim Richey were mild trouble."

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Wow. Talk about passing the blame!

~Bev

Sheesh! Like P.T. Barnum said: "Write what ever you want about me--just spell my name right!"

'Mild trouble' is my middle name--I LOVE shaking folks out of complacency! Way to go Danny--you made me even MADDER at Rick than I already was (which I hardly thought in the realm of possibility), for something I consider a compliment!

To Sam: I know we used to have big 'knock-down-drag-outs' over there over politics, but I'd like to thank you for revealing the factual content of the letter, and I for one whole-heartedly welcome you to this forum. We're some of the formerly duped around here, so there will be commiseration. 'Least we always had the Classic Comic Art and the Music in common, even if we might not have agreed on specifics. I'm apologizing for having posted anger-motivated, Ad Hominem attacks now and then, while I'm at it.

[Kurt Busiek]

here is what I just got in my inbox...

Ronee,

So you're aware and no longer unsure:

I'm not paying you simply because you failed to accept my initial offer to end the matter. Now you WILL wait for my attorney to get around to you. And, if being a hypocrite makes you feel better about yourself then go for it.

Regards,
~Rick

Rick Olney
TightLip Entertainment
www.tightlipentertainment.com
"Lux Mentis, Lux Orbis"

Now someone make some sense out of it for me.

No problem. Here it is, translated to eliminate lies and obfuscation:

Ronee,

Mwah wah wah wah wah:

I'm not paying you wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah. Mwah wah WAH wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah. Mwah, wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah.

Mwah wah,
~Rick

Rick Olney
TightLip Entertainment
www.tightlipentertainment.com
"Soapy Brain, Soapy Eyes"

kdb

[Papergirl]

Well, at 11:00, I will be by the Something Positive booth. Perhaps with a hot redhead by my side. Perhaps no hot redhead.

Look me up.
I'll be there, though I'm not sure about the "hot" part. I think that's debateable. :p

~Bev

[Papergirl]

Well shit this crap just pisses me off...

I mean, but he can't just.. he must pay for work rend... she DID say that...

What a complete asshat.

Yep. That seems to be the general concensus here!

~Bev

[Matt Doc Martin]

I'll be there, though I'm not sure about the "hot" part. I think that's debateable. :p

~Bev

Oh, you'll be there too?

[Papergirl]

Oh, you'll be there too?
Hrmph! Maybe NOT, now!

~Bev

[sk716]

It occurs to me that if Unscrewed wanted to be even more useful, their anthology ought to include at least a few pages devoted solely to creator resources. Unions, references, trade organizations, legal resources, copyright and trademark basic info, etc.



c

That's an excellent point. And I'll get to work adding the info to the site.

[Gail Simone]

ok ALL of you saw me tell Rick numerous times that I would comply with his wishes all he had to do was give me his lawyers contact info right??????

here is what I just got in my inbox...



Now someone make some sense out of it for me.

You know that illustration where the creepy lizard eats his own tail?

That's Rick, except the lizard's probably more coherent.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

This is something I got Jan 12th 2007 which contradicts what he told Sam a year earlier.

==============
Danny,
Come back to the MMC. You are missed there and I can assure you things are not as bleak as they paint for me.
I valued your friendship and I foolishly let Sam came between us. I'm sorry. You know, back then I had two co-admins -- Doc Boucher and Doc Absurd. One of them got caught finaggling Catalino's profile.

Rick
===============


Nice huh?

;)



Same deal with me, him calling me a token and all that stuff, when I have letters from him BEGGING me to come to another MMC and praising me to the moon.

Guy can't keep his own lies straight.

Gail

[Matt Doc Martin]

Same deal with me, him calling me a token and all that stuff, when I have letters from him BEGGING me to come to another MMC and praising me to the moon.

Guy can't keep his own lies straight.

Gail


Well, when you tell so many....

[DarrenCawsey]

Yep. That seems to be the general concensus here!

~Bev

Yeah I know.

It's just that when he dropped out of sight what a week or so ago and there started to be whispers of actions being taken against him, I had kind of hoped (I see now the folly of my naive hopes) that maybe someone had managed to talk some sense into the man, or that maybe he finally did go see a lawyer had a rude surprise when after he finally finished his inane and paranoid ramblings the lawyer (oh sorry... shyster) just put his head in his hands and shook his head slowly back and forth for 25 minutes.

Or that someone at least slapped him on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.

But no this was totally silly of me, maybe if I had ever met the man in person I would have realised how deluded he is, how big his ego must be (Rick Olney has obviously somehow escaped the time barrier and travelled back to 1966 and inspired Stan Lee in the creation of a new character for Thor #132), so big that common sense and logic have no power over him.



----------------

[JTPencils]

Couldn't they just garner his wages from his job and or his wife as she was co-owner of TL at one time?

Of course, all states are different, no doubt. But I can say that in CT... where I had my previous case heard and won... it's pretty much a "wait and see" situation. There's no garnishment of wages... no property reclaimed... nothing. The most (I was told) that I could do, was wait until he went to sell property of some sort.. and have a lien in the amount of my judgement... and then that could be collected. Til then... the win was more of a moral one then anything else.

[Danny Donovan]

Are you going to Heroes Con this year, Danny?

Not that I know of. Usually I never know until like 2 weeks before a show. :p

I WAS thinking of going to WWPhilly, but, I think I lost my ride up.

[NatGertler]

Mwah wah WAH wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah. Mwah, wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah. So you're saying "Rick" is a pseudonym for... Miss Othmar?

[JTPencils]

ok ALL of you saw me tell Rick numerous times that I would comply with his wishes all he had to do was give me his lawyers contact info right??????

here is what I just got in my inbox...



Now someone make some sense out of it for me.

Ronee, when did you receive this? Is it recent? As far as his usual grasp of English, it's pure mud. Bascially he's saying he's not going to pay you... because you wouldn't play ball the way he wants you to. He can't do that. You performed work, and you are owed. End of story. Even in an "work at will" state like CT... any employer has to pay for work performed... no matter what the consequences were of someone's leaving/dismissal/firing. As to his lawyer getting around to you... I'm guessing we all have to take numbers now like at a deli counter???

[Samuel Catalino]

Saturday only

I will be there.

[JKCarrier]

Mmmn, Signalman. I dunno.

Signalman...

kdb

You can always compromise... she takes Signalman, but you keep the Blue Bowman. ;)

[Samuel Catalino]

Sheesh! Like P.T. Barnum said: "Write what ever you want about me--just spell my name right!"

'Mild trouble' is my middle name--I LOVE shaking folks out of complacency! Way to go Danny--you made me even MADDER at Rick than I already was (which I hardly thought in the realm of possibility), for something I consider a compliment!

To Sam: I know we used to have big 'knock-down-drag-outs' over there over politics, but I'd like to thank you for revealing the factual content of the letter, and I for one whole-heartedly welcome you to this forum. We're some of the formerly duped around here, so there will be commiseration. 'Least we always had the Classic Comic Art and the Music in common, even if we might not have agreed on specifics. I'm apologizing for having posted anger-motivated, Ad Hominem attacks now and then, while I'm at it.

James,

I never took things personally. I find the older I get, it is best not to let other peoples' actions dictate your responses. Especially those who has the initials R.O.

Thanks for the welcome, though.

Best,

Samuel

[Samuel Catalino]

Hrmph! Maybe NOT, now!

~Bev

Well, I would be happy to meet you, Bev.

[Samuel Catalino]

Not that I know of. Usually I never know until like 2 weeks before a show. :p

I WAS thinking of going to WWPhilly, but, I think I lost my ride up.

Sheldon puts on a first class show though.

[Blake Petit]

So you're saying "Rick" is a pseudonym for... Miss Othmar?

:D 10 cool points for the "Peanuts" reference.

[AIPman1]

Okies. I'm going to attempt to reply to this, point by point, rather than picking one line and beating it to death.

I'm over it, hope everyone else is. This is me officially not responding.

[TomStillwell]

Dunno. I've never sued or been sued. But, I would think that, as it is a.) a civil matter, and b.) more of a personal choice, court appointed lawyers wouldn't come into play here. I could be wrong, though. It happens. ;)

Can any of our legal people tell us for sure?

~Bev

Yeah, court appointed lawyers don't work that way. They wouldn't be involved here.

[Papergirl]

Or that someone at least slapped him on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.

That's MY job around here. And I haven't been anywhere near the man, or I would have done so by now! :p

~Bev

[Papergirl]

Yeah, court appointed lawyers don't work that way. They wouldn't be involved here.
Didn't think so! Thank you for confirming it! :)

~Bev

[Gail Simone]

No problem. Here it is, translated to eliminate lies and obfuscation:



kdb

I didn't know you spoke fluent Olnese!

Gail

[DocAbsurd]

==============
Danny,
Come back to the MMC. You are missed there and I can assure you things are not as bleak as they paint for me.
I valued your friendship and I foolishly let Sam came between us. I'm sorry. You know, back then I had two co-admins -- Doc Boucher and Doc Absurd. One of them got caught finaggling Catalino's profile.

Rick
===============

Lance was never a co-admin, only a moderator. I was the second-in-command and that's it.

He told me he suspected it was Ian Shires getting someone to come in and hack the MMC site. Around 6 to a dozen people had their accounts mucked with, Sam being only one of them.

In fact, I found myself unable to access my account a few times during that time period.

I'll take a wild guess:

Moby was fecking around and practicing his deletion powers and screwed it all up. And he found it easier to blame it on me than to take credit for it.





Doc 'He Did It' Absurd

[Papergirl]

Well, I would be happy to meet you, Bev.

Hee! I'll be there, Sam! :)

~Bev

[JamesRitcheyIII]

James,

I never took things personally. I find the older I get, it is best not to let other peoples' actions dictate your responses. Especially those who has the initials R.O.

Thanks for the welcome, though.

Best,

Samuel

You're welcome, and I mean it!
What you said reminds me of what Bishop Tutu, at a function when I worked at Emory, said about Fundamentalist Christianity having an unhealthy preoccupation with Satan. It gives the idea power, whether you believe in a 'Zoroastrian'-like duality or not. As a corollary, Olney is all about 'soul-popping (a 'free zone' Scientology term for tricking people into surrendering their will to his)' power from others--and any response gives him credibility, i.e., power, in his own mind.

[Gail Simone]

You know, the UNSCREWED site is damn impressive!

I fell behind, but now it's a must-read. Great job, guys!

Gail

[Sarah Beach]

Lance was never a co-admin, only a moderator. I was the second-in-command and that's it.

He told me he suspected it was Ian Shires getting someone to come in and hack the MMC site. Around 6 to a dozen people had their accounts mucked with, Sam being only one of them.

In fact, I found myself unable to access my account a few times during that time period.

I'll take a wild guess:

Moby was fecking around and practicing his deletion powers and screwed it all up. And he found it easier to blame it on me than to take credit for it.


You know what, DocA? The minute you said you were not a co-admin, but only a moderator, it crossed my mind that the person mucking with profiles was RO himself. As someone who has admin duties on a couple of sites, I know how easy it is for the admin to access profiles. But why would an outsider want to go to the trouble of messing with people's profiles - even if that person had a revenge motive? Much more likely to mess with posts.

So.... yeah... I'd bet it was RO himself, just as you speculate. It would certainly fit his profile and established behavior.

[Sarah Beach]

You know, the UNSCREWED site is damn impressive!

I fell behind, but now it's a must-read. Great job, guys!

Gail

Thanks Gail, on behalf of my cohorts! SK716 did a lot of the set-up work -- she's the tops!

There are some additions I need to make to the Chronology -- that's a work in progress. But isn't it fascinating to see his actions when pulled together into a time line?

[Kurt Busiek]

So you're saying "Rick" is a pseudonym for... Miss Othmar?

Actually, her evil twin -- Rathmo the Unprepossessing.

kdb

[NatGertler]

:D 10 cool points for the "Peanuts" reference.If making a "Peanuts" reference gives me cool points, then I'm about the coolest nerd going!

--Nat, proprietor
AAUGH.com
Check out the Museum of Odd Peanuts Books (http://AAUGH.com/guide/oddbooks.htm)

[Danny Donovan]

Sheldon puts on a first class show though.

I know! I was a guest at his show from oh, I want to say 2000-2004. That was when I still lived in NC and it was only a 2 and a half hour trip up. Now I'm on the coast of VA it's more like a 7, or 8 hour. And when one doesn't drive your options are somewhat limited, so it comes down to when I have the money to do things right.

As much as I enjoyed the cross country trip to San Deigo in a van, with Jim, Nat, Loki, Paije and Jackie (and their dog Ranier) it's not a travel custom I'd likely make habit. Dragon*Con last year was relatively easy. hop on a plane. hop in cab.... But it gets expensive.

I learned a LOT of traveling lessons I am going to employ this year if I do any cons. I really want to go to SDCCI. I really want to do a few of the larger shows. Just depends on my releases, and my cash flow.

[Blake Petit]

If making a "Peanuts" reference gives me cool points, then I'm about the coolest nerd going!

--Nat, proprietor
AAUGH.com
Check out the Museum of Odd Peanuts Books (http://AAUGH.com/guide/oddbooks.htm)

I'll just be in the running for second place, then. :D

(Thanks for It's Only a Game, by the way.)

[TomStillwell]

ok ALL of you saw me tell Rick numerous times that I would comply with his wishes all he had to do was give me his lawyers contact info right??????

here is what I just got in my inbox...



Now someone make some sense out of it for me.

Ronée, please, I'm begging you. Sue him. He is never going to pay you voluntarily. Mark is offering to foot the bill. Please.

He's just trying to wear you down to a point where you no longer care. Promise, delay, stall, threaten, bullshit...these are his weapons and he's used them amazingly well against way too many smart people.

We know you are bold and Mark is offering you a nice shiny sword. Time to slay the weak, pathetic dragon weezing out puffs of sickly smoke.

[Blake Petit]

Dude. That's some nice imagery there. Kudos.

[Sarah Beach]

Dude. That's some nice imagery there. Kudos.

Say, you think he might be a writer? What're the odds on that?
:D :D :D

[Danny Donovan]

A Rick blog.





Empty lives. They all most certainly live empty lives...

So it began as a simple need to place a pay schedule aside long enough to grieve for my own mother that had died. That was July 27, 2006. As you can imagine, people were not happy that I needed to drop off the Internet to grieve.




A little more than 10 days later, we lost our niece to an early death at age 26 due to an aggressive internal infection that nobody knew that she had. Sadly, after being hospitalized, she died in her sleep before treatment could help.



After a two family deaths so close together, it was a little tough even feeling like I had the interest or energy to get back to work. If not for the friendship of a woman named Ronee Garcia Bourgeois, I would've most likely fallen astray quicker. Ms. Bourgeois involved herself exactly just prior to the death of my mother last July. It happened so that she never bothered to sign her non-disclosure agreement or return her signed contract. This was odd, because she had also (during that time) negotiated on behalf of two separate clients of hers. But along came the fall and on one day in December she resigned a position that she actually had never had. See, in order to work for my company and be financially compensated...you need to agree in writing, first via the NDA, and secondly by signing and returning your contract. I mean, if you're serious about the job and getting paid for actual work done.



So flash forward...



My company at that time was in the midst of guiding the stages of being able to publish a niche horror comic called Tales of The Spooky. We also construct and manage a yearly pop arts and comics event called the Mighty Mini-Con (http://www.mightyminicon.com/), along with having a hand in bringing back a fandom group (ORCA, aka Organized Readers of Comics Associated) that began advocating the comic book to be created for younger readers during a time when the younger reader was slowly being edged out by publishers no longer actively seeking to entertain younger readers. I wasn't alone in these endeavors then, no more than I'm alone today in continuing those efforts. So the reason for my blog post is, you ask?



Read on!



I know that I have no excuses. I attempted this very day to begin to make amends to a couple people, but because they didn't have it in them to understand that I wanted to right the wrongs -- it now looks like they go back into the waiting room. The "waiting room" is where my very real attorney is sorting through the day-to-day posts, coupled with the legality of the various personal attacks, invasion of privacy issues, and stalking involved. I guess people now don't believe in him either.



And why don't they?



I'd have to point a finger towards that female online known as "Gail Simone", a writer of comic books and other things I'm sure. Here is some of her handiwork:



"VERY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT.


I've been told that there's a rumor, or a bit more than a rumor, that Rick is going around to people he's cheated asking them to remove their posts here and elsewhere.


The same, "maybe I'll pay you someday, but probably not, but I DEFINITELY won't pay you as long as those messages stay up" rhetoric is being used. Guys, he is still threatening people, continuing to cheat them, AND insulting them, he's just taken it all to private correspondence.


To those who have had the courage to come forward, I ask you not to delete your posts. They are the ONLY reason Rick won't easily be allowed to cheat and threaten people again. If you think complying with Rick's wishes will get you paid, I ask you to think of all the people here he's owed money to for years that he made no effort to pay whatsoever, and come to your own conclusion.


HOWEVER. If you decide to cave on this, for whatever reasons, I'm begging you to at the very least save your posts and any responses from Rick. It is the only chance you will ever see money out of this man, and it's a very very slim chance at that.


Don't delete. If you do, for your own protection, you MUST save your posts, so you have a record of his behavior, threats, insults, and untruths.


Just posting a head's up. Rick thinks he can get out of this by further manipulating people he's already badly mistreated.


Wrong, Rick. The only way out of this with even a chance of redemption is paying the people you owe, like any DECENT person of HONOR would, and apologizing for your gross neglect of any sort of honest business practices.


PAY THESE PEOPLE.


Gail"



It appears that "Gail Simone" has taken it upon herself, seemingly with the willing support of her website forum provider, to appoint herself some official capacity in my personal matters of talented creators involved with my company. I know many of you are repeat readers of my blog posts, so you're pretty much also reading that libelous message board thread that has spun off into different other areas to impune and demean me personally. Doesn't anyone know that saying such things about people crosses the line of a personal opinion and is actually illegal? Well, I guess some people will also learn a lesson the hard way. I mean, how does "Gail Simone" expect me to pay those people that are free and clear to be paid -- when she continually advises them to scorn me and have nothing to do with me? And in her last sentence she states and suggests that my next move should be, "apologizing for your gross neglect of any sort of honest business practices."



Anyway, there will be no apologies forthcoming. Least wise, not until I'm advised to apologize for putting up with all the culpable lies and half truths stated about me. I can't divulge much more, and yes... I'll be getting bitched out tomorrow by my (thought-to-be imaginary) attorney. I thought this an important subject to respond to in this manner and fashion.

Wow! Old ORCA member surfaces!

Michael Climek Says:
01/25/07 at 10:32 am

"At first I just saw the picture and thought "Oh, I wonder if that's the Herkimer in upstate NY near where I'm from" and then I was embarrassed as I read the name Rick Olney and realized it was indeed the same herkimer.


This seems so strange to me whenever I read about as I was there for the gestation of Orca- I was a member back when it was called the Utica Comics Club. I was but 11 or 12 at the time, and they gave out free comics at their meetings.


If that wasn't freaking awesome I don't know what is.


I don't know when this dude went crazy. I guess maybe he was always crazy but it wasn't a big deal when he didn't try to run conventions or publish comics. When he was just trying to sit around with some comics readers and talk about comics for a few hours twice a month, no harm done.


Now I just feel sort of embarrassed by the fact that I know him, and some comics that I thought were totally awesome when I was a wee lad came from his foolish group. Maybe I"ll put that autographed copy of Gambit and the X-ternals up on ebay, just to get rid of it's dirty scent.


Yeah, Age of Apocalypse was hot stuff when I was a wee lad."</I>




So this Mike Climek person stumbles across some substance on the Internet, and doing what most people might do, falls' prey to swallowing it all word-for-word. 'Course, his next step is to feel compelled to reply, but my sources tell me that there is more to Mr. Climek's motivation for responding. And look, it only took him 10-11 years to become cynical and have nothing more than an online identity for a life.


I guess what really got my attention was that I didn't recall him immediately. So I did some looking back and found the meeting sign in sheets. Just proves that, back then... he craved comics. Now, he craves the attention that his posting deserves.




So also today...



"Gail Simone" gathered up the energy to post the following, "I predict right now, that not only will Rick never publish a comic, I predict Orca and the Mighty Mini Con are both dead and gone. He ruined his own reputation far, far too much for the community to ever support him."



"Gail" you deserve to be proven wrong, again, before facing any legal difficulties sure to come your way. So I'll counter your prediction by sharing with my readers and supporters that I'll have two books published before the planned June 2007Mighty Mini-Con (http://www.mightyminicon.com/), along with the re-introduction of Organized Readers of Comics Associated (ORCA) within fandom, and one last surprise that I'm saving for later this coming spring.
You're a very hate filled person, in my opinion. I feel sorry for you, but no degree of vigilante justice by you and your YABS goon squad will change anything where my personal business dealings are concerned.


Next: We'll talk about the ICC, SPA, and all things small press. Be there!

[sk716]

You know, the UNSCREWED site is damn impressive!

I fell behind, but now it's a must-read. Great job, guys!

Gail

Thanks Gail, on behalf of my cohorts! SK716 did a lot of the set-up work -- she's the tops!

There are some additions I need to make to the Chronology -- that's a work in progress. But isn't it fascinating to see his actions when pulled together into a time line?

What no mention of how cool it looks!?!?!?:eek: :D

[kingdom2000]

All that noise but still nothing to show for it. When will Olney realize actions speak louder then words?

[Matt Doc Martin]

My impression of Rick"

Yap, yap, yap.

Sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Post here, peanut. Where people can respond to you, not where you hide on your pathetic blog that only those who know you for the lying bum you are read.

[sk716]

A Rick blog.

Why does he act like he just stopped paying people in July 2006?

Has anyone come forward to say they had been paid in full ever? Did I miss something?

[Sarah Beach]

What no mention of how cool it looks!?!?!?:eek: :D

OF COURSE IT LOOKS COOL! I LOVE IT! ;)

As for himself......

Oh, gah! He starts out with that "oh so reasonable" tone. But humbug. He's not the only person in the world who has lost a parent. I remember when my father died (got the call from my brother while I was at work, no less). But it didn't render me incapable of responding to people around me, to at least say "Yes", "No" or "Sounds good". And the timeline shows that stuff was happening in that period after his mother's death, that he had to have had some inkling of (like, how do you get a major guest to be announced without the con-runner knowing about it?).

As for his whole bit of shit about Ronee -- sorry, you can't rewrite history. YOU ACCEPTED HER WORK ALL THAT TIME, YOU JERK. IMPLICIT CONTRACT. Pay her!

And next up, he's going to ream our friends the small press folk, probably in that "oh so regretful" tone. Pfft. peanut.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Why does he act like he just stopped paying people in July 2006?

Has anyone come forward to say they had been paid in full ever? Did I miss something?

No/ No one has. Or will.

According to Rick, they would be crucified.

According to reality, they don't exist.

[Matt Doc Martin]

As for his whole bit of shit about Ronee -- sorry, you can't rewrite history. YOU ACCEPTED HER WORK ALL THAT TIME, YOU JERK. IMPLICIT CONTRACT. Pay her!

And next up, he's going to ream our friends the small press folk, probably in that "oh so regretful" tone. Pfft. peanut.

Amazing how he admits she did the work, yet the work didn't happen because she didn't sign the contract?
Riiiggghhhtt....
I am sorry, peanut. That will NOT fly in court. Nice try, though.

[Matt Doc Martin]

I feel sorry for you, but no degree of vigilante justice by you and your YABS goon squad will change anything where my personal business dealings are concerned.


"In fact, I plan on never paying for anything again! NOTHING WILL STOP ME!! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Kurt Busiek]

Ronée, please, I'm begging you. Sue him. He is never going to pay you voluntarily. Mark is offering to foot the bill. Please.

Heck, he's just stated flatly that he's not going to pay. There's no point in waiting -- he's not even playing the "sign the thing I won't send you" game. He's just said he won't pay you because he doesn't like you talking about how he won't pay you.

And best of all, his latest blog has him saying, also flatly, that he knows he has no excuses for this behavior. That'll go over well in court...

kdb

[Danny Donovan]

OF COURSE IT LOOKS COOL! I LOVE IT! ;)

As for himself......

Oh, gah! He starts out with that "oh so reasonable" tone. But humbug. He's not the only person in the world who has lost a parent. I remember when my father died (got the call from my brother while I was at work, no less). But it didn't render me incapable of responding to people around me, to at least say "Yes", "No" or "Sounds good". And the timeline shows that stuff was happening in that period after his mother's death, that he had to have had some inkling of (like, how do you get a major guest to be announced without the con-runner knowing about it?).

As for his whole bit of shit about Ronee -- sorry, you can't rewrite history. YOU ACCEPTED HER WORK ALL THAT TIME, YOU JERK. IMPLICIT CONTRACT. Pay her!

And next up, he's going to ream our friends the small press folk, probably in that "oh so regretful" tone. Pfft. peanut.

You know, when my step-father was diagnosed with cancer, and I e-mailed him asking him to expidite my monies so I could keep on top of the medical payments. I was accused of "bullying" and "trying to guilt him" into paying me.

Not that I think $500 or whatever would change his fate, but you know it would have made dealing with it a little less stressful.

[Sarah Beach]

Oh, and this bit---
Posted on blog by Rick
So this Mike Climek person stumbles across some substance on the Internet, and doing what most people might do, falls' prey to swallowing it all word-for-word. 'Course, his next step is to feel compelled to reply, but my sources tell me that there is more to Mr. Climek's motivation for responding. And look, it only took him 10-11 years to become cynical and have nothing more than an online identity for a life.

I like that: "this Mike Climek person"! Wow, talk about snide with no cause!

And "but my sources tell me that there is more to Mr. Climek's motivation for responding." Hehehehehe. "My sources" -- wow, he's got people out there scoping the universe for him! My sources (the ever useful Google), tell me that Mr. Climek is actually making something of his life, appearing on stage in regional theater, and getting good notices apparently.

That would be called having credits, peanut. You know, achieving something?!?

That last sentence though... incomprehensible. I mean, "nothing more than an online identity for a life"??? Since Mr. Climek is obviously doing something offline (like being in plays), he certainly does have more than an online identity. But you know who really does have "nothing more than an online identity for a life"?

Oh, take a guess. And I note that he's changed his avatar over on the orcafresh blog yet again (does our criticism of your "artistic" choices sting you, peanut?) -- it is apparently either the Mummy in a trenchcoat, or supposedly a representation of the Invisible Man of literature (hardly a savory character, if you've ever read the novel! Heh).

[Matt Doc Martin]

Oh, and this bit---



Oh, take a guess. And I note that he's changed his avatar over on the orcafresh blog yet again (does our criticism of your "artistic" choices sting you, peanut?) -- it is apparently either the Mummy in a trenchcoat, or supposedly a representation of the Invisible Man of literature (hardly a savory character, if you've ever read the novel! Heh).


Well, let's see. A mystery man, identity hidden, no one knows...

It's peanut's lawyer!

[Corrina]

Why does he act like he just stopped paying people in July 2006?

Has anyone come forward to say they had been paid in full ever? Did I miss something?

I've been talking with some people off-list. Five years ago, plenty of people knew not to do work for Olney because he didn't pay.

[Gail Simone]

Is anything funnier than the fact that he keeps printing comments about what a cheating, lying deadbeat he's been?

I mean, I just find that hilarious. :)

"Gail is so mean, look what she says...

GAIL: PAY THE PEOPLE YOU'VE CHEATED, RICK.

"See how mean? What a big meanie. So MEAN!"

hahahahahaha. :)

That really put a smile on my face.

Oh, and how many of his legal threats have come true in all these years?

That's right, none. Not a blessed one. He's the most impotent little bully in comics.

I love how he acts like he cares about Ronee, after threatening her, calling her a 'dumb ass,' and making up bullshit reasons not to pay her.


This is a keeper. DANCE, MONKEY, DANCE! :)

Gail

[Matt Doc Martin]

Poor peanut...


He thinks everyone is out to get him.

It's just the people that don't like him and his creditors.

But I can see how easy it is for him to get confused. It is a pretty large crowd. We are talking a few stadiums full...

[Gail Simone]

Ah, yes, my empty life with my job I love and a family I adore and more friends than I ever thought possible.

POOR POOR ME! :)

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Oh, and let's not forget, this SAME DAY that he's written this goofapalooza, he's ALSO writing letters to people threatening them and laughing about how he's not going to pay them.

That's how sincere his 'message of hope' is.

Gail

[DocAbsurd]

And just when we thought he was getting uninteresting . . .

After a two family deaths so close together, it was a little tough even feeling like I had the interest or energy to get back to work. If not for the friendship of a woman named Ronee Garcia Bourgeois, I would've most likely fallen astray quicker. Ms. Bourgeois involved herself exactly just prior to the death of my mother last July. It happened so that she never bothered to sign her non-disclosure agreement or return her signed contract. This was odd, because she had also (during that time) negotiated on behalf of two separate clients of hers. But along came the fall and on one day in December she resigned a position that she actually had never had. See, in order to work for my company and be financially compensated...you need to agree in writing, first via the NDA, and secondly by signing and returning your contract. I mean, if you're serious about the job and getting paid for actual work done.

So, first he owes a debt of implied gratitude for Ronee coming to his rescue. And in the next breath, he doubts her motivations cuz she didn't sign no fecking NDA.

And in all these posts, he's never once expressed any sense of 'she didn't work for me'; where does this suddenly come from? Someone finally got their hand entrenched up your rather expansive backside, Moby? Cuz there's no way in hell you came up with that little tidbit on your own.

See, in order to have employees in your company, you need to agree in principle to pay them. Which you did. And you haven't. What, you honestly think Ronee was sticking around for your charming wit and sunny outlook on life?

There's so much drivel to sort thru, but this caught my eye:

Next: We'll talk about the ICC, SPA, and all things small press. Be there!

Keep talking, Moby. So will I. I'll also keep posting the multiple times you've handed me the ICC, then taken it back, then given it to me, blah blah blah blah blah.

Too many people have seen it, Flatulence. Your sparkling personality is hardly a distraction anymore. Besides, all you're doing is preaching to a tone-deaf choir of one.

Bring it, Round-boy.

[Gail Simone]

And I love how pasty, odd-smelling Rick says THIS guy...

http://www.panjea.com/michaelclimek

...has no life. This very handsome young man with a snappy writing style and what seems like a swell up-and-coming acting career.

Yeah, I'm sure he'd trade to be a disgraced and disgraceful weirdo with a rep for never keeping his word and no friends who will defend him.

Michael Climek, if you're out there reading this, thanks for the post, it was very interesting, and best of luck in your no-doubt awesome future career!

Gail

[Gail Simone]

What no mention of how cool it looks!?!?!?:eek: :D

Shel, come on, you did the work, OF COURSE it looks awesome! :)

Gail

[TomStillwell]

I guess what really got my attention was that I didn't recall him immediately. So I did some looking back and found the meeting sign in sheets. Just proves that, back then... he craved comics. Now, he craves the attention that his posting deserves.

It's amazing how he had sign in sheets from years ago yet he can't seem to produce the contact information for his lawyer...

[TheWraith]

Don't forget Frank and Jim's WRAITH was part of that Impulse/Alliance pit as well. :-p Before they wisened up moved on and found lots of success!

Shane Melton, the poor man's Rick Olney. He's still out there online, trying to start new ventures at regular intervals, ventures that continue to fail. His most recent failed "business" was something where he called himself Angry Shane. I'm just glad I got out of his clutches early enough. Another person to be wary of, though, more-or-less in the same class as Olney (though instead of Olney claiming he lost family members, Melton claimed he himself had cancer!)

[Chris N]

I posted a comment to his myspace blog. Wonder if he'll approve it. I actually very reasonably asked him to clarify his position on a couple of issues.

[Gail Simone]

It's amazing how he had sign in sheets from years ago yet he can't seem to produce the contact information for his lawyer...

Nor his expense reports from the Mighty Shitty Con, where he claimed over and over to have paid for my husband's airfare, which he didn't contribute a dime to.

He's just goofy as hell.

Gail

[Danny Donovan]

Shane Melton, the poor man's Rick Olney. He's still out there online, trying to start new ventures at regular intervals, ventures that continue to fail. His most recent failed "business" was something where he called himself Angry Shane. I'm just glad I got out of his clutches early enough. Another person to be wary of, though, more-or-less in the same class as Olney (though instead of Olney claiming he lost family members, Melton claimed he himself had cancer!)

Yes! I remember that!

Last I spoke to him he was doing banner designs for some drive time radio program in some obscure market in Florida.

He also had to "halt publishing" (which at the time not a damn thing came out) because his wife ran away with some guy she met on the intarwebz.

[Gail Simone]

I posted a comment to his myspace blog. Wonder if he'll approve it. I actually very reasonably asked him to clarify his position on a couple of issues.

I predict he will. More than anything, he loves attention.

It's just this time, even he gets that 100% of the attention is negative, and he's exposed for what he truly is.

Gail

[Matt Doc Martin]

I predict he will. More than anything, he loves attention.

It's just this time, even he gets that 100% of the attention is negative, and he's exposed for what he truly is.

Gail

I am going to take the opposing opinion and say he won't.

So he can "prove you wrong" yet again.

Because he is just that childish.

[colleen]

Last I looked, there is nothing in contract law that requires a freelancer to sign a contract they don't want to sign. If a client uses their services in the absence of a contract, the client still has to pay the freelancer. If the client then uses the freelancer's work, the only rights that transfer are First North American rights. But no rights transfer in the absence of payment. If the work is used, it must be paid for.

This is one of the weirdest abuses of creators I have seen in 25 years of publishing. Not the worst. Just the weirdest.

I've never, ever had a client behave this badly in public. In private, that's another matter. Some of them were far worse than this. But in public, they all had their lids screwed on tightly enough not to let the world at large know just how odd they really were.

I lost a few relatives over the last few years, and my grandmother died Thanksgiving night last year.

A death in the family is a personal matter, not an opportunity to emotionally bludgeon others with your inability to meet your obligations to them. Making your personal problems other people's personal problems is not a virtue. Not paying a meager debt to a father who has problems keeping a roof over his head and children who then don't get to enjoy a few treats for Christmas makes you someone else's personal problem, not a martyr to grief.

I don't see what a death in the family has to do with whether or not bills get paid.

Either you have the money to pay your bills, or you don't.

If you don't have the money to pay for goods and services you buy, you don't get to buy more, and you do not get to use the goods and services you did not pay for.

If there is money for "attorneys on retainer", trips to conventions, and other goodies, there is money to pay debts.




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[TheWraith]

Yes! I remember that!

Last I spoke to him he was doing banner designs for some drive time radio program in some obscure market in Florida.

He also had to "halt publishing" (which at the time not a damn thing came out) because his wife ran away with some guy she met on the intarwebz.

He told me (when he emailed me to apologise and basically weep crocodile tears for everything he'd done) his wife went insane and they got divorced because of that, and his reason for "halting" Impulse Studios/Alliance Comics was because he got cancer and couldn't afford to keep the company going. Naturally, he made a full recovery not long after. Funny that.

He's now apparently in an internet relationship with some other chick on the other side of the country (or so he claimed on his blog). I read his "Angry Shane" blog a few times. All it was was pro-Dubya ignorant rubbish, his lovey dovey messages with his suppossed new gal pal and his attempts at starting a new company (he apparently left his banner designing job) with a new bunch of naive fools willing to believe in him. Last I checked, his business website had vanished again. But yes, there's another schmoe we need to be aware of and avoid at all costs...

Shane Melton.

[EdContradictory]

and yes... I'll be getting bitched out tomorrow by my (thought-to-be imaginary) attorney. I thought this an important subject to respond to in this manner and fashion.
I like how he added this bit in to deflect the fact that no lawyer would let their clients post online like he has been doing.

It's cute.

Like a cute, smelly weasel.

[Gail Simone]

Last I looked, there is nothing in contract law that requires a freelancer to sign a contract they don't want to sign. If a client uses their services in the absence of a contract, the client still has to pay the freelancer. If the client then uses the freelancer's work, the only rights that transfer are First North American rights. But no rights transfer in the absence of payment. If the work is used, it must be paid for.

This is one of the weirdest abuses of creators I have seen in 25 years of publishing. Not the worst. Just the weirdest.

I've never, ever had a client behave this badly in public. In private, that's another matter. Some of them were far worse than this. But in public, they all had their lids screwed on tightly enough not to let the world at large know just how odd they really were.

I lost a few relatives over the last few years, and my grandmother died Thanksgiving night last year.

A death in the family is a personal matter, not an opportunity to emotionally bludgeon others with your inability to meet your obligations to them. Making your personal problems other people's personal problems is not a virtue. Not paying a meager debt to a father who has problems keeping a roof over his head and children who then don't get to enjoy a few treats for Christmas makes you someone else's personal problem, not a martyr to grief.

I don't see what a death in the family has to do with whether or not bills get paid.

Either you have the money to pay your bills, or you don't.

If you don't have the money to pay for goods and services you buy, you don't get to buy more, and you do not get to use the goods and services you did not pay for.

If there is money for "attorneys on retainer", trips to conventions, and other goodies, there is money to pay debts.




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Exactly. He doesn't even come out and SAY he's got no money, but instead says he 'needed a break from the internet,' as if that's any kind of excuse at all. As if millions of businesses don't manage to continue to operate without the internet at all. He instead makes it sound like it's his CHOICE not to pay anyone, which is even worse than being in over your head and broke.

It's weird how even his defenses often make him sound like even MORE of a cad. And then he often quotes people calling him on his lies, as if this somehow doesn't make it even clearer that he's lying.

Weird, but funny to see.

Gail

[JTPencils]

Well, if anything, it does prove that the Anti-Trump is reading here still. I'm a bit surprised that he's not feeling compelled to make his snide asides here in response (perhaps he got told to just shut the hell up by someone of authority... but not a lawyer). I'm also curious if he's snooping around at the Unscrewed! site as well? I would think it would be killing him not to!!

As for the usual blather... it's still the same threats I've heard before... he's starting to remind me more and more of the Black Knight of Python fame

"But I'm the Black Knight...I'm invincible!!!"

"You're a loony"

And we all walk away from the limbless impotant fool as he babbles on about how he's going to "have you for that"....

*sigh*

Sounds to me though, that's getting upset that his lawyer is being called a work of total fiction (ummm... gee, can't understand why)... and yet... even in his own private little world, he can't supply a single piece of information about this "person".

[colleen]

Exactly. He doesn't even come out and SAY he's got no money, but instead says he 'needed a break from the internet,' as if that's any kind of excuse at all. As if millions of businesses don't manage to continue to operate without the internet at all. He instead makes it sound like it's his CHOICE not to pay anyone, which is even worse than being in over your head and broke.

It's weird how even his defenses often make him sound like even MORE of a cad. And then he often quotes people calling him on his lies, as if this somehow doesn't make it even clearer that he's lying.

Weird, but funny to see.

Gail

Gail, in the very early years of my career, I worked with a client who was a hideous human being. He got his rocks off refusing to pay me unless I came into the office to get my check. The office was 500 miles away. This was at a time when I was grossing a few thousand dollars a year as an artist.

He claimed they were having a little "cash flow problem" and so the check was more than a month late, and yet again, I had to board a plane to get my check. Fortunately, back then fares were dead low, sometimes $56 for a round trip.

I arrived at his house, a nice house in a good neighborhood, and what was there on the kitchen table but a $55,000 ivory statue he had picked up as a gift for the little wifey in New Orleans.

But he was having cash flow problems, see.

And was late with my $1,500 check.

When I asked why he could afford a nice house, a $55,000 ivory statue for the kitchen, a red silk kimono for the wall, a Kelly Freas original painting in the hall, etc, etc, and yet could still claim to have "cash flow problems" he looked me dead in the eye and said, "This is my money. That is company money. It's separate."

That was the last time I went up there to get my check, one of the last times I managed to get paid even close to 30 days within due date, and in the end, I never got paid everything I was due at all.

Because that's how this creep liked to treat a teenaged girl. Guess it made him feel all big and manly and powerful.

Not paying your bills while at the same time claiming to be all powerful whilst simultaneously crying poverty. How manly.


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[Gail Simone]

Gail, in the very early years of my career, I worked with a client who was a hideous human being. He got his rocks off refusing to pay me unless I came into the office to get my check. The office was 500 miles away. This was at a time when I was grossing a few thousand dollars a year as an artist.

He claimed they were having a little "cash flow problem" and so the check was more than a month late, and yet again, I had to board a plane to get my check. Fortunately, back then fares were dead low, sometimes $56 for a round trip.

I arrived at his house, a nice house in a good neighborhood, and what was there on the kitchen table but a $55,000 ivory statue he had picked up as a gift for the little wifey in New Orleans.

But he was having cash flow problems, see.

And was late with my $1,500 check.

When I asked why he could afford a nice house, a $55,000 ivory statue for the kitchen, a red silk kimono for the wall, a Kelly Freas original painting in the hall, etc, etc, and yet could still claim to have "cash flow problems" he looked me dead in the eye and said, "This is my money. That is company money. It's separate."

That was the last time I went up there to get my check, one of the last times I managed to get paid even close to 30 days within due date, and in the end, I never got paid everything I was due at all.

Because that's how this creep liked to treat a teenaged girl. Guess it made him feel all big and manly and powerful.

Not paying your bills while at the same time claiming to be all powerful whilst simultaneously crying poverty. How manly.


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I am amazed you stayed in the industry at all. Honest to god, you seem to have worked for an endless parade of creeps and freaks and jerks. It's sad to hear, and damn infuriating.

Gail

[THEDOC]

Great, great work. I admit I'm a little behind with Unscrewed, but if I can help in some way, let me know, please.

Gail
I still would like help trying to get some items from professionals to do an auction at The Jam.:confused:

[colleen]

I am amazed you stayed in the industry at all. Honest to god, you seem to have worked for an endless parade of creeps and freaks and jerks. It's sad to hear, and damn infuriating.

Gail

I am a very obstinate little woman.

Who is spending the second stage of my career getting the best kind of revenge on everyone who ever screwed me over.


Also, because I have been doing this since I was 15, I'm not much good for anything else.

The industry has always had people like Olney, worse people than Olney.

But there was no internet and freelancers couldn't communicate with one another back then. Once one freelancer got screwed and went away, the bad publishers always have an endless stream of wannabes just dying to take their place. And the freelancers, sadly, are often willing to believe that the LAST freelancer only had complaints because they weren't GOOD freelancers.

If they were GOOD then none of these BAD things would have happened.


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[THEDOC]

ok ALL of you saw me tell Rick numerous times that I would comply with his wishes all he had to do was give me his lawyers contact info right??????

here is what I just got in my inbox...



Now someone make some sense out of it for me.

I just tried to click on the TL website in "Rick"'s siganture and got this:
Forbidden

You don't have permission to access / on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/2.0.53 (Fedora) Server at www.tightlipentertainment.com Port 80


Typical "Rick"

[THEDOC]

This is something I got Jan 12th 2007 which contradicts what he told Sam a year earlier.

==============
Danny,
Come back to the MMC. You are missed there and I can assure you things are not as bleak as they paint for me.
I valued your friendship and I foolishly let Sam came between us. I'm sorry. You know, back then I had two co-admins -- Doc Boucher and Doc Absurd. One of them got caught finaggling Catalino's profile.

Rick
===============


Nice huh?

;)

"finaggling "??? Why the heck would even D_A or I do that, even if we knew how to. Was that slander? :confused: :D

[TomStillwell]

I find it amusing he's still using Tightlip Entertainment in his signature even though it has been dissolved and, more importantly, we all know it has gone the way of the Dodo.

[colleen]

"finaggling "??? Why the heck would even D_A or I do that, even if we knew how to. Was that slander? :confused: :D

I think finaggling is actually Gaelic for foreplay.


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[Matt Doc Martin]

I find it amusing he's still using Tightlip Entertainment in his signature even though it has been dissolved and, more importantly, we all know it has gone the way of the Dodo.

Oh my god...what if his lawyer was IN THE BUSINESS WHEN IT GOT DISSOLVED?!?

[DocAbsurd]

Colleen, he can barely write English; don't give him credit for accidentally discovering a new language he can mangle.




Doc 'Bi-Literate' Absurd

[THEDOC]

Lance was never a co-admin, only a moderator. I was the second-in-command and that's it.

He told me he suspected it was Ian Shires getting someone to come in and hack the MMC site. Around 6 to a dozen people had their accounts mucked with, Sam being only one of them.

In fact, I found myself unable to access my account a few times during that time period.

I'll take a wild guess:

Moby was fecking around and practicing his deletion powers and screwed it all up. And he found it easier to blame it on me than to take credit for it.





Doc 'He Did It' Absurd

I thought he had me as co-admin right when all that first happened as I got an e-mail from Ian telling me what he read on MMC (which I didn't know about) and I told Rick I would help where I could but I did not want to be a Co-admin , I was hoping I could get everyone talking down the road. (foolish me I thought Rick was just mis-understood and an upstanding guy).
Now I see he was trying to push Ian's buttons by making that announcement and further the rift.

[OzBat!]

Okay, we know he dissolved Tightlip Entertainment. But has he registered any other business names since?

[JTPencils]

Oh my god...what if his lawyer was IN THE BUSINESS WHEN IT GOT DISSOLVED?!?

I still think his "lawyer" is a warped Ouija board, salvaged from a local flea market.

[OzBat!]

Oh my god...what if his lawyer was IN THE BUSINESS WHEN IT GOT DISSOLVED?!?Damn you Matt! Now I need the name of Peeg's monitor spitshield supplier!!

[THEDOC]

I think finaggling is actually Gaelic for foreplay.


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Foreplay...with"Rick'? eww that is so wrong in so many ways. Oh yeah I remember I liked Dennis' articles.

[DarrenCawsey]

Oh my god...what if his lawyer was IN THE BUSINESS WHEN IT GOT DISSOLVED?!?

Oh you wanker, I'm supposed to be going out to dinner shortly and I just coke all down my shirt. :(



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[DarrenCawsey]

Damn you Matt! Now I need the name of Peeg's monitor spitshield supplier!!

You too huh?

perhaps smaller portable versions might be in order? You wear them around your neck, and they curve up in front of you deflecting and catching any unfortunate sprayage.




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[Larry Dixon]

I am amazed you stayed in the industry at all. Honest to god, you seem to have worked for an endless parade of creeps and freaks and jerks. It's sad to hear, and damn infuriating.

Gail

Seconds and thirds to that. Colleen, I am glad you've stayed in the biz and been so, well, damned good. Misty & I have always dug your work and have commented several times these past few years about how you just keep on getting better.

If Olney's is a cautionary tale, yours is an inspiring one.

[OzBat!]

We had plastic bibs like that for our kids when they were learning to eat solids, that collected all sorts of interesting stuff at feeding time!

Maybe Jonah could market 'em as CBR-branded forum spit-take receptacles...

[Papergirl]

Oz & Darren:

I'm not telling! :p

~Bev

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Okay, this was fun catching up.

Got ahead on some columns before I cover the Phoenix con for the next few days (My head is going to hurt methinks) anyhoo, getting caught up on this thread has made me just shake my head. First off Ronee, I'm echoing everyone else's sentiments: SUE THE FUCKER. He is being an obstinate prick and an asshole and a vile little man. Give the cheap fucker the kind of attention that will make him grab his ankles for a LONG time.

No one should treat you like this. You have Mark Waid willing to cover the costs of your trial. NAIL HIM. You do not deserve this kind of grief. You seem like a great person who's only crime was trying to be a good friend. And this little magic beanpole is trying to take advantage of it. Don't let this bastard treat you any less then what you deserve. Sue his ass and help put the nail in his coffin. You may not get any money from the prick, but you will have a sense of vindication. I'm begging you to sue him. Put the little douchebag out of his misery.

Oh my god...what if his lawyer was IN THE BUSINESS WHEN IT GOT DISSOLVED?!?

I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read this...terrible. LMAO

[TomStillwell]

Okay, we know he dissolved Tightlip Entertainment. But has he registered any other business names since?

That we don't know. I can place a few calls tomorrow.

Somehow I doubt any more ventures will be created by Rick Olney. He clearly needs his wife since they share assets (AKA her income), otherwise she wouldn't have been involved with Tightlip.

I can't see Mrs. Olney signing anything more for her husband again, unless it was divorce papers.

[TomStillwell]

Seconds and thirds to that. Colleen, I am glad you've stayed in the biz and been so, well, damned good. Misty & I have always dug your work and have commented several times these past few years about how you just keep on getting better.

If Olney's is a cautionary tale, yours is an inspiring one.

Amen to that, Brother Dixon.

Colleen is amazing.

[Danny Donovan]

"finaggling "??? Why the heck would even D_A or I do that, even if we knew how to. Was that slander? :confused: :D

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/6158/jjjmovie6bo.gif
"Slander? Don't be ridiculous.... In print it's liable."

[sk716]

Well, if anything, it does prove that the Anti-Trump is reading here still. I'm a bit surprised that he's not feeling compelled to make his snide asides here in response (perhaps he got told to just shut the hell up by someone of authority... but not a lawyer). I'm also curious if he's snooping around at the Unscrewed! site as well? I would think it would be killing him not to!!

As for the usual blather... it's still the same threats I've heard before... he's starting to remind me more and more of the Black Knight of Python fame

"But I'm the Black Knight...I'm invincible!!!"

"You're a loony"

And we all walk away from the limbless impotant fool as he babbles on about how he's going to "have you for that"....

*sigh*

Sounds to me though, that's getting upset that his lawyer is being called a work of total fiction (ummm... gee, can't understand why)... and yet... even in his own private little world, he can't supply a single piece of information about this "person".

He can't I banned his IP ages ago.:p

[sk716]

Okay, eBay integration is up and working on the Unscrewed! site.

Now, all I need is a user id to attach it to.

And Tom's is going to need some items to auction.

[Magneto_X]

As much as I enjoyed the cross country trip to San Deigo in a van, with Jim, Nat, Loki, Paije and Jackie (and their dog Ranier)

Did you solve any mysteries while traveling together?

Who was Daphne? Who was Fred? Who was Velma? Who was Shaggy?

(The dog's gotta be Scooby, of course. :D )

[Lester C.]

Okay, eBay integration is up and working on the Unscrewed! site.

Now, all I need is a user id to attach it to.

And Tom's is going to need some items to auction.

I'm sorry I haven't been following this thread. Is the proceeds of the action going to pay for the creators that Onley screwed over or is this another deal entirely?

[TomStillwell]

Just so you guys know, I'm getting an E-Bay auction together in conjunction with the UNSCREWED site.

I've been contacting creators and so far have gotten responses from a respectable amount of folks. I'm still waiting on responses from some before I announce anything official. <cough>Gail<cough>

Let me be clear about something. Any monies made are to help those creators stiffed by Olney make ends meet.

Olney didn't just stiff the people who worked for him. He stiffed their families. He cancelled Christmas for some, endangered mortgage payments for others. He took food off their tables. He kept them from paying work with false promises of living up to his obligations.

While Olney plays his sad, sick little games with imaginary lawsuits and magic NDAs, these creators are trying their best just to get by.

This auction is to help the creators and their families. It in no way, shape, or form absolves Olney of his debts.

[Magneto_X]

And in all these posts, he's never once expressed any sense of 'she didn't work for me'; where does this suddenly come from? Someone finally got their hand entrenched up your rather expansive backside, Moby? Cuz there's no way in hell you came up with that little tidbit on your own.


My guess is the wife.

She must be looking over his shoulder each time he posts something.

[Lester C.]

Just so you guys know, I'm getting an E-Bay auction together in conjunction with the UNSCREWED site.

I've been contacting creators and so far have gotten responses from a respectable amount of folks. I'm still waiting on responses from some before I announce anything official. <cough>Gail<cough>

Let me be clear about something. Any monies made are to help those creators stiffed by Olney make ends meet.

Olney didn't just stiff the people who worked for him. He stiffed their families. He cancelled Christmas for some, endangered mortgage payments for others. He took food off their tables. He kept them from paying work with false promises of living up to his obligations.

While Olney plays his sad, sick little games with imaginary lawsuits and magic NDAs, these creators are trying their best just to get by.

This auction is to help the creators and their families. It in no way, shape, or form absolves Olney of his debts.

I'm really proud of you and SK for getting together and trying to right some wrongs. Anyone can say what an asshole Onley has been, but it takes real commitment and strength of character to do something about it.

[Danny Donovan]

Okay, eBay integration is up and working on the Unscrewed! site.

Now, all I need is a user id to attach it to.

And Tom's is going to need some items to auction.

you can use mine if you like userID madsciencestudios

I don't really use that or my paypal address for anything other than bidding on stuff. :-p And usually I pay with a credit card than my paypal things.

But yeah, my services for listing and hosting are available if you want 'em. Just let me know how we're doing it. ;)

Did you solve any mysteries while traveling together?

Who was Daphne? Who was Fred? Who was Velma? Who was Shaggy?

(The dog's gotta be Scooby, of course. :D )

Actually Jim Ritchey was Scooby. I would assume Loki and Paije were Shaggy and Daphne... I was probably Velma. ^_^ Nat was probably Fred dunno who Ranier could be scrappy doo. he barked and growled alot but didn't bite or anything. :-p Jackie... mmm that show needed an extra hot chick. I guess Paije and Jackie were both Daphne then.

The only mystery we solved was how much stuff can you cram into a van before people start trying to murder one another. ^_^;

[Magneto_X]

Foreplay...with"Rick'? eww that is so wrong in so many ways. Oh yeah I remember I liked Dennis' articles.

I hope Dennis wakes up soon and leaves Olney.

It's frastrating to see a good and intelligent person, from what people here have said about him, being abused by Rick. :(

Run, Dennis, Run!

Danny:

LMAO :D

[Samuel Catalino]

Lance was never a co-admin, only a moderator. I was the second-in-command and that's it.

He told me he suspected it was Ian Shires getting someone to come in and hack the MMC site. Around 6 to a dozen people had their accounts mucked with, Sam being only one of them.

In fact, I found myself unable to access my account a few times during that time period.

I'll take a wild guess:

Moby was fecking around and practicing his deletion powers and screwed it all up. And he found it easier to blame it on me than to take credit for it.





Doc 'He Did It' Absurd

Doc,

That is how I remember it too, that you were the co admin. I never suspected Ian or anyone other than you know who of messing with my (for whatever reason)account, and I knew who had, and that played into my decision to terminate the relationship. I had enough of the whole soap opera deal which had been going on for a few years.

Best,

Samuel

[Samuel Catalino]

Hee! I'll be there, Sam! :)

~Bev

It would be my honor to meet you, Bev. :)

[Samuel Catalino]

You're welcome, and I mean it!
What you said reminds me of what Bishop Tutu, at a function when I worked at Emory, said about Fundamentalist Christianity having an unhealthy preoccupation with Satan. It gives the idea power, whether you believe in a 'Zoroastrian'-like duality or not. As a corollary, Olney is all about 'soul-popping (a 'free zone' Scientology term for tricking people into surrendering their will to his)' power from others--and any response gives him credibility, i.e., power, in his own mind.

James,

I appreciate that and I mean it. You expressed my thoughts more eloquently that I did.

Best,

Samuel

[Samuel Catalino]

I hope Dennis wakes up soon and leaves Olney.

It's frastrating to see a good and intelligent person, from what people here have said about him, being abused by Rick. :(

Run, Dennis, Run!

Danny:

LMAO :D

I spoke to Dennis and have communicated with him recently. He is doing fine and a certain individuals' name does not come up in our conversation.

Suffice to say, he realizes I still consider him a friend, and he is welcome in my home.

And that is all I have to say about that.

Samuel

[Coppervale Studio]

Just so you guys know, I'm getting an E-Bay auction together in conjunction with the UNSCREWED site.

I've been contacting creators and so far have gotten responses from a respectable amount of folks. I'm still waiting on responses from some before I announce anything official. <cough>Gail<cough>

Let me be clear about something. Any monies made are to help those creators stiffed by Olney make ends meet.

Olney didn't just stiff the people who worked for him. He stiffed their families. He cancelled Christmas for some, endangered mortgage payments for others. He took food off their tables. He kept them from paying work with false promises of living up to his obligations.

While Olney plays his sad, sick little games with imaginary lawsuits and magic NDAs, these creators are trying their best just to get by.

This auction is to help the creators and their families. It in no way, shape, or form absolves Olney of his debts.


Hey Tom -

I haven't posted while I've been doing edits on a novel - but a ways back I offered to ink something (over Cully's pencils - or whatever, but Cully's an old friend). So count me in. Love to help.

(Or inking Colleen - if she's offered to do anything. We'd done a couple of pieces together back in the day, and I'd love to do that again, especially to help out.)

((Or Larry. That would be kind of cool, eh Lar?))

[NatGertler]

The only mystery we solved was how much stuff can you cram into a van before people start trying to murder one another. ^_^;I think that question was answered on MTV's The Real World: Mystery Machine.

[NatGertler]

(Thanks for It's Only a Game, by the way.)Believe me, that's one that I was glad to do. As a Schulz fan, even getting to see this lost Schulz work myself was a happy thing. As someone with an enthusiasm for the comics scene, it was an honor to bring this work to others.
And as a publisher, it was a pleasure to generate both recognition and checks for Jim Sasseville. What I said before is true, paying creators is one of the joys of the job... and in this case, the money went to a man who was in the closing act of life, whose body was failing him and who had other problems besetting him as well. Improving the lives of comics creators -- even if it's only in small ways, and even if it's just one at a time -- is something more should strive for.

(And I suspect you'll be thanking me again in May.)

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Actually Jim Ritchey was Scooby. I would assume Loki and Paije were Shaggy and Daphne... I was probably Velma. ^_^ Nat was probably Fred dunno who Ranier could be scrappy doo. he barked and growled alot but didn't bite or anything. :-p Jackie... mmm that show needed an extra hot chick. I guess Paije and Jackie were both Daphne then.

The only mystery we solved was how much stuff can you cram into a van before people start trying to murder one another. ^_^;

On the Arizona/New Mexico Border, there was the mystery of the old bastard in the RV, having a fit because one of us didn't move the Van right after hanging up the fuel nozzle--but all in all, not a great deal of problem-solving was utilized. We were (and stayed) dead tired, the whole trip. Never drive across the continental US with five other people and a dog, and expect to get there in three days, sane.

I kept meaning to ask Nat Jones about that Ascot.

My Scooby Snacks were--Martinis!

NEVER mix Scooby Snacks with abject, hallucinating, mind-numbing exhaustion. Conflicts and misunderstandings ensue.

[Buckminster Futter]

And that is all I have to say about that.

Glad to see you've finally turned away from The Dark Side! Hope you've been doing well, Sam.

[Danny Donovan]

I think that question was answered on MTV's The Real World: Mystery Machine.

"Find out what happens when people stop being polite (and sane) and start thinking they can hear their dogs speaking to them."

Jim, I saw your Photobucket gallery why did you draw yourself as The Joker? :p

Crazy bastard.

And speaking of Dennis I really liked him, still do, I mean I don't judge people by their associations. He's good people.

[Gail Simone]

Believe me, that's one that I was glad to do. As a Schulz fan, even getting to see this lost Schulz work myself was a happy thing. As someone with an enthusiasm for the comics scene, it was an honor to bring this work to others.
And as a publisher, it was a pleasure to generate both recognition and checks for Jim Sasseville. What I said before is true, paying creators is one of the joys of the job... and in this case, the money went to a man who was in the closing act of life, whose body was failing him and who had other problems besetting him as well. Improving the lives of comics creators -- even if it's only in small ways, and even if it's just one at a time -- is something more should strive for.

(And I suspect you'll be thanking me again in May.)

Wait, wait, wait...I'm a huge Schulz fan. What is this book and why don't I own it?

Gail

[Danny Donovan]

A quick update.

The Unscrewed release is now posted over on The Pulse.

http://comicon.com/pulse/

(its on the sidebar next to the headlines)

And yes, Rick Olney's name is still banned. They had to write 0lney with a zero for it to post.

[Nate C.]

I just thought it would be cool to have a post this side of the 1,000 post mark in this thread.

woof. makes Rita's look like a piker.

[neko onna]

Gail, in the very early years of my career, I worked with a client who was a hideous human being. He got his rocks off refusing to pay me unless I came into the office to get my check. The office was 500 miles away. This was at a time when I was grossing a few thousand dollars a year as an artist.

He claimed they were having a little "cash flow problem" and so the check was more than a month late, and yet again, I had to board a plane to get my check. Fortunately, back then fares were dead low, sometimes $56 for a round trip.

I arrived at his house, a nice house in a good neighborhood, and what was there on the kitchen table but a $55,000 ivory statue he had picked up as a gift for the little wifey in New Orleans.

But he was having cash flow problems, see.

And was late with my $1,500 check.

When I asked why he could afford a nice house, a $55,000 ivory statue for the kitchen, a red silk kimono for the wall, a Kelly Freas original painting in the hall, etc, etc, and yet could still claim to have "cash flow problems" he looked me dead in the eye and said, "This is my money. That is company money. It's separate."

That was the last time I went up there to get my check, one of the last times I managed to get paid even close to 30 days within due date, and in the end, I never got paid everything I was due at all.

Because that's how this creep liked to treat a teenaged girl. Guess it made him feel all big and manly and powerful.

Not paying your bills while at the same time claiming to be all powerful whilst simultaneously crying poverty. How manly.


c
I am glad you stayed inthe business as well...you are truely an inspiration and color me inspired even more. I am so glad I got to meet you last year and work with you on a project(in a roundabout way).

And to all of you who have stood up for yourselves...be proud. Even if this never brings the monies owed to surface..you have all done a great thing here..by standing up for yourselves you have also stood up for all of the newbies in the industry who may not feel it is their place to say something had they been taken advantage off. I know I wish this was around when I started..I could have used it back then..I know some of this got ugly and personal..but that only happend because it is easy to fall into it when you are being taunted. You have all managed to pull out of it and maintain your integrity and I will continue to support all of you here in anyway I can..and hope to meet some of you on the con circut this year. I want to shake you hands!

and should I be scared that I posted on page 666 :evilsmile

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Satan loves you. :D

[neko onna]

Satan loves you. :D

HA...well that is because

http://www.rgrove.com/Satan.jpg

:evilsmile

[OzBat!]

Wait, wait, wait...I'm a huge Schulz fan. What is this book and why don't I own it?

GailHere's some info (http://www.peanutscollectorclub.com/onlyagam.html) on it. I've seen a collection of this in my local comic shop not that long ago, so it's out there!

[Danny Donovan]

Satan loves you.

:evilsmile :evilsmile Jim, stop flirting with the posters. :evilsmile :evilsmile

[NatGertler]

Wait, wait, wait...I'm a huge Schulz fan. What is this book and why don't I own it?It's a collection of Schulz's -other- syndicated newspaper cartoons, a short-lived series of leisure-activity-oriented gags, which Schulz did by himself at first, and later did layouts for Jim Sasseville to provide finished drawings.
I'll see to it that you own one soon.

[neko onna]

it really is a fantastic book...a must have!!

[Larry Dixon]

((Or Larry. That would be kind of cool, eh Lar?))

Sssssounds grrrrroovy, Mister Movie. :) We shall speak of this! -waves from Oklahoma over to Arizona-

Similarly, if someone wants to 'trib pencils, I can do a painted finish, for the cause.

Also, just had another "hot tub summit" with Misty & she is in for auction items, most especially some of her excellent beadwork. She does bead-weaving (essentially, making cloth from tiny beads) of neck pouches, and bead-stringing of necklaces, computer mascots and the like. They're only ever available by personal gift or charity/cause sources like this, and go for hundreds of bucks. Additionally, she may put in one of her custom dolls if she has one finished in time.
We'll also put in signed books & a signed galley (a proof version of a book).

Oh and yes, to add my encouragement: Ronee and all: Go after Olney. You have motive, means, opportunity, and increasingly, the eyes of an industry on your situation.

Old Hermit Obi-Waid handed you the magic flashlight. Go Deadeye Knights!

[Danny Donovan]

We're almost at the 10K mark. I have to admit that's pretty damn impressive. ;)

[the4thpip]

Not sure if these have been posted; a google search of usenet groups yields three hits for "Rick Olney", one by AIPman from 2003, and these two:


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Have you had favorable or unfavorable dealings with a group called ORCA or Rick Olney? Please contact: Thingv...@aol.com
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From: thingv...@aol.com (Thingvall)
Date: 1998/06/08
Subject: Dealt with ORCA?


Have you had favorable or unfavorable dealings with a group called ORCA or Rick
Olney?

Please contact:

Thingv...@aol.com




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From: thingv...@aol.com (Thingvall)
Date: 1998/06/01
Subject: Problems with ORCA, anyone?


Has anyone had dealings with ORCA or Rick Olney?

Information favorable or unfavorable needed. We had a C.O.D. problem with this
group that has yet to be satisfied.

Nostalgia Zone
3149 1/2 Hennepin Ave S
Minneapolis MN 55406
nostz...@spacestar.net

[Danny Donovan]

Good work Pip!

[the4thpip]

Crossed my mind to check when I was teaching a "search engine" class yesterday.

[Gail Simone]

Not sure if these have been posted; a google search of usenet groups yields three hits for "Rick Olney", one by AIPman from 2003, and these two:

Ack, that would mean at least THREE comic shops have had money problems with Rick!

Good god. Does he ever pay for ANYTHING?

Gail

[the4thpip]

Not to mention the fact that this goes back almost 9 years ago.

[Cam63]

No problem. Here it is, translated to elimate lies and obfuscation:

Quote:

Ronee,

Mwah wah wah wah wah.

I'm not paying you wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah.
Mwah wah WAH wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah. Mwah, wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah.

Mwah wah,
~Rick

I didn't know you spoke fluent Olnese!

Gail

Now say it with a Doctor Evil or Elmer Fudd voice !




...Good one, Busiek. :D

[Cam63]

Ack, that would mean at least THREE comic shops have had money problems with Rick!

Good god. Does he ever pay for ANYTHING?

Gail

He's about to.

Big time.

[Danny Donovan]

Ack, that would mean at least THREE comic shops have had money problems with Rick!

Good god. Does he ever pay for ANYTHING?

Gail

He might buy a copy of Unscrewed! to see if he's in the acknowledgement section! :p

[Nope]

Semi-tangential curiosity: how much money does it take to publish a comic book anyway?

(Say, for examples sake, I wrote but hired artists for one 32pp (inc covers) colour standard-sized comic at, um, what's a good small sized print run, 1000 copies?)

[Danny Donovan]

Semi-tangential curiosity: how much money does it take to publish a comic book anyway?

(Say, for examples sake, I wrote but hired artists for one 32pp (inc covers) colour standard-sized comic at, um, what's a good small sized print run, 1000 copies?)

depends on where it's printed. check out http://www.sunquest.com.ca they're based out of china/canada and run pretty cheap for printing.

while I'm not a publisher, I've had to do a lot of different jobs for some indie folks to the point I might as well be one. your safe minimum is about 7K for a small run. But with paying a team, depending on how much you're paying I wouldn't even start pricing until you had at least 10K for startup costs

[Cam63]

I am amazed you stayed in the industry at all. Honest to god, you seem to have worked for an endless parade of creeps and freaks and jerks. It's sad to hear, and damn infuriating.

Gail

It's a great testament to Colleen and other's tenacity.

Many would leave and never return.

[Danny Donovan]

10,000!

Wow!