Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[TCJohnson]

Not that I'm pointing a finger at anyone specific here, mind you. ;) But I've been reading The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout, Ph.D., for research (working on some mysteries/procedural scripts). And I ran across this interesting list.

According to a 1995 study of sociopathic traits, the reserachers determined a list of at least 8 traits of the sociopath. In descending order of import:
* Fails to conform to social norms
* Aggressive
* Reckless
* Impulsive
* Fails to honor financial obligations
* Inconsistent work
* Never monogamous
* Lacks remorse

It's an interesting list, don't you think?

Strange.... I think I've seen instances of 7 of those 8 traits in recent weeks. That 8th one... I'm not in any position to know about. And I don't really want to. 7 out of 8 is a pretty high score, I'd think.


....wow, that almost describes me.

I think I am going to check myself into...somewhere.

[Momma Absurd]

TC your a hoot, but I will help you where I can with getting you checked into somewhere safe LMAO!!

[Momma Absurd]

Garsh, wonder what old Ziggy Freud would think about our Rambling Rick? I know, he'd give him a complex and a major migraine headache....

[Cam63]

Can I be your plebe?

Apparently it means something bad, in Rickspeak.

Gail

You mean like pay people you owe money to ?

[Matt Doc Martin]

You mean like pay people you owe money to ?



Now you are just talking crazy.

[Cam63]

Garsh, wonder what old Ziggy Freud would think about our Rambling Rick? I know, he'd give him a complex and a major migraine headache....

That would be a four cigar consultation.

[Cam63]

Now you are just talking crazy.

I better put some clothes on then and put out the cat.

...The fire that is.

[Tobias March]

Was reading some Ambrose Bierce today at work (as you do...man it's been dead last two days) and came across this line. Made me think of Ricky boy. As pompous as this may seem, I think it fits, as far as the constant appeals to some legal overlord go anyhow.

"I care nothing about principles--they are lumber and rubbish. What concerns
our happiness and welfare, as affectible by our fellowmen, is conduct.
"Principles, not men," is a rogue's cry; rascality's counsel to stupidity,
the noise of the duper duping on his dupe. He shouts it most loudly and with
the keenest sense of its advantage who most desires inattention to his own
conduct, or to that forecast of it, his character."

[MacQuarrie]

wow. thanks. You have to forgive me, after working for Olney I am not used to being treated nicely.

I occasionally work with teens in our church youth group, and I coach an archery program for kids. One of the things I always tell them when we talk about future careers is this: The better they pay you, the better they treat you. Every job I've worked at where I got nickeled and dimed to death, I also worked in lousy conditions for a horrible person. Jobs where I made a good salary and didn't have to race my co-workers to the bank to cash my paycheck, I worked in a nice office with nice people and a boss who appreciated me.

The better they pay you, the better they treat you.

[MacQuarrie]

Something is wrong with the formatting of your link there. Looks like you got a line break that shouldn't be there. Richardson & Harman LLP (http://www.rh4law.com/) should work better.

I fixed it. Thanks.

[MacQuarrie]

Funny thing is he hired me for my "take no shit" ways and loud mouth and now it just might be his undoing. By the way Gail, just to give you a heads up, I will be using quotes from this thread for my column unless someone specifically objects.
There's only one person I can imagine having an objection, and he doesn't matter. But, for the record, if I managed to say anything remotely cogent here, you're welcome to use it with my blessings.

[MacQuarrie]

Dick's problem is he was born too late.

I'm reading Gerard Jones' "Men of Tomorrow", which tells the history of the comics industry and the men behind it. Some of them were eager and hungry young men looking to make a little money to support their families, men like Jerry Siegel, Joe Shuster, Jack Kirby. Others were horrible liars and thieves, with mob connections and a distinct lack of conscience, looking to steal whatever they could and claim it for their own, men like Harry Donnenfeld, Jack Liebowitz, Mort Weisinger.

Dick would have been right at home in the Donnenfeld operation. If only he could have been born around 1914. He might have gotten away with it.

[JeffreyWKramer]

But he reads things the way he wants to. And also holds the attitude that suits his current mood.

On the one hand, he snits in his blog that he doesn't care what his reputation is. (After all, look, see! He'd made fun of it with his "most hated man in comics" temporary logo there.)

The similarities between Rick using that line, and iwarrior referring to himself as "the one you love to hate" are just too fucked up to not mention. It's interesting to note how two people can both be not only way screwed up, but screwed up in the same way.

[TCJohnson]

Really? My impression that Iwarrior had an....unique....view of the world (including his hatered of cleavage) but was he really dishonest?

[THEDOC]

let me be the first to point out that of 2000+ members, active participation tends to be much less, and cyclical in nature. Anyway...it's the page views and unique visitors your site gets that sells the ads, right? not how many people have signed up at your forum...

True Ian. I have alot of hits and members though like Ian only a hard core group actually posts but with IF anyone that was a member still is. I still talk with Jerry O. With our anniversary and INTER-FANthology/Jam projects I have had some older members contact me like Sam De La Rosa.
I hope to some great things with SPA and ICC and folks like Jim Main and Steve Keeter.
People like "Rick" just keeps me going to get that kinda attitude outta Fandom.
lile Ian said, whatever the origin of ICC it IS Tim's and he will do great things with it with Daphne's support and help that I am sure.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Really? My impression that Iwarrior had an....unique....view of the world (including his hatered of cleavage) but was he really dishonest?

That isn't the similarity. iwarrior had numerous problems, but far as I can tell, dishonesty wasn't one of them.

This thing of playing the victim card, though, when people call you on your bullshit statements/behavior... that they definitely have in common.

And while he and orcaman have different "unique" views of things, the fact that both have very messed-up POVs is another similarity.

[Corrina]

Really? My impression that Iwarrior had an....unique....view of the world (including his hatered of cleavage) but was he really dishonest?


Well, they both lived in a fantasy world of their own invention. iWarrior sincerely believed his view of events was the correct one, despite all evidence to the contrary, he managed to ignore or twist it to fit his conclusions. Including telling teenage girls they had no desire for sex, a conclusion he stayed with despite disagreement from several women and at least one teenage girl.

It strikes me this is very similar to Olney, who manages to turn around each situation to fit his own view of reality.

[Magneto_X]

It started out as a Yahoo club...stood for Small Press Association. Later, when we moved into our own forums, we changed it to Self Publisher Association...

the mission is simple: "we are banded together by past and intended future participation in publishing, to build better tools for everyone to use in making it more likely to survive in today's market"

Right now we're best known for running the yearly Small Press Idol contest. We've launched a number of titles to print through that, the first Metro Med story was printed in Mysterious Visions Anthology as the prize the first year...they went on to shooting Star comics with the title...Caleb Monroe's Redchapel was printed as the prize last year, this year we launched Kevin McVeigh's The Squirrel, and did a new experiment, the finalists for this year were each given a #0 issue, and we sold copies online, the winner of the contest was the #0 that sold the best. Which was Badlands Taxi by troy kelley.

I've also built a Distro for indies and small press, which is linked to the Self Publisher! Magazine, as a tool for publishers who aren't able to go with Diamond to get exposure and move copies. Payout on sales is 90% of cover price base to start. We're working on availability to stores...but it'll be a process...

Is this at a seperate site or is at Dimestore Productions site?

[Magneto_X]

Really? My impression that Iwarrior had an....unique....view of the world (including his hatered of cleavage) but was he really dishonest?

iwarrior hated cleavage?!? :eek:

How does that work? :confused:

Maybe iwarrior and "Rick" are the same person. Stranger things have happened.

TheDoc:

Could I get a link or url to ICC, please?

[AIPman1]

Is this at a seperate site or is at Dimestore Productions site?

it's the dimestore site, different sections...all part of the whole...if you haven't been there lately, it's worth a new look...

[Magneto_X]

it's the dimestore site, different sections...all part of the whole...if you haven't been there lately, it's worth a new look...

Thanks.

I definitely want to join some of those groups you guys have been talking about.

It all sounds like such great ideas and fun to be apart of.

[AIPman1]

membership is free! participate at the levels you're comfortable with!

[JeffreyWKramer]

iwarrior hated cleavage?!? :eek:

How does that work? :confused:

Maybe iwarrior and "Rick" are the same person. Stranger things have happened.

That appears very unlikely, for several reasons. They're simply two messed-up individuals that are spookily alike in certain aspects of their messed-uppedness.

[DocAbsurd]

I'm waiting for dinner to finish and I'm in extreme pain, so I'll flesh out what the ICC is later on. But here's the basics:

Come the first of the year, I'll be starting up a MySpace and maybe a Yahoo group to go with it; both of those were deleted by 'Rick' without my knowledge. Seems to be his m.o., dunnit?

The ICC, or Independent Creators Co-aliton, is simply a group that allows creators to work together on projects they might normally not have an opportunity to. Cross-overs, team-ups, in continuity or out of, all done in the name of promotions.

Everything that's done with the ICC will be done to help creators promote their and others' work.

In fact, the ICC will not be 'mine'. I may have the ideas for projects and help coordinate the talent, but it'll all be done as an ICC imprint. I'm still working out all the kinks, specifically that of financing. I want the ICC to be not-for-profit; every dime it makes will go back into making another project.

. . .

Typical. I ended up telling everything anyway. I need to learn how to be succinct.




Doc 'Long-Winded' Absurd

[MacQuarrie]

Come the first of the year, I'll be starting up a MySpace and maybe a Yahoo group to go with it; both of those were deleted by 'Rick' without my knowledge. Seems to be his m.o., dunnit?
Do you need someplace to put up a website? It would be my pleasure to set you up.

[Kurt Busiek]

Since someone invoked my name, I read the thread.

A couple of thoughts:

1. The CBLDF doesn't get involved in this sort of thing. The word "legal" doesn't mean they handle any and all legal matters. Their charter is very specific: They're a 501 (c) 3 non-profit organization dedicated to the preservation of First Amendment rights for members of the comics community. If the First Amendment isn't being threatened or abrogated, it's outside their charter.

2. A class action suit isn't likely to work either -- class-action lawyers generally get paid as part of the judgment, so unless Olney actually has a fair amount of money, there's no profit for the lawyers. In most cases, lawyers won't undertake a class action case unless there's a good likelihood they'll win a judgment that will actually be paid.

3. However, that doesn't mean there's no recourse whatsoever, nor does it mean (as some have said) that it costs too much money to sue someone. Small-claims court exists specifically for this kind of dispute, where the legal costs of a full-blown civil suit would dwarf the amount of money involved. It's worth checking into, at least -- and even were he able to avoid paying any judgment by declaring bankruptcy, it would cost him time and money on a larger scale than merely going with internet posts does.

Those of you who have e-mails and such that prove the debt have evidence, and you may not need to hire a lawyer to press the case legally.

kdb

[Charles RB]

Others were horrible liars and thieves, with mob connections and a distinct lack of conscience, looking to steal whatever they could and claim it for their own, men like Harry Donnenfeld, Jack Liebowitz, Mort Weisinger.

I'd heard some very dodgy sorts were involved back in the old days, but Mort Weisinger had mob connections?

[Kurt Busiek]

I'd heard some very dodgy sorts were involved back in the old days, but Mort Weisinger had mob connections?

MacQuarrie's description is fairly broad and sweeping. There's no indication anywhere in MEN OF TOMORROW that Mort Weisinger had mob ties. The book does, however, make a solid case for Mort being an overbearing, dishonest, abusive, cheating flim-flam man.

It's highly worth seeking out and reading, and not just for the bits on Mort, if you're at all interested.

kdb

[OzBat!]

Hi Kurt, great to see you over here at YABS, pity it had to be such a depressing topic though!

I think it was me who first raised the question of the CBLDF. Thanks for the clarification.

[matterconsumer]

Seems though that there is/was a comics organization that had provided legal assistance for unpaid creators...now if only I could dredge up the name.

[Momma Absurd]

Any kind of help I can be to you when you set up everything, let me know I want to see all your dreams come true and I know that in time it will happen. You have the talent and the spirit, and I think your pretty daggone awesome!! Make it happen hun!

[THEDOC]

Thanks.

I definitely want to join some of those groups you guys have been talking about.

It all sounds like such great ideas and fun to be apart of.

IF and ICC are also free, like SPA we feel creators have enough to pay for without worrying about membership fees.

[Magneto_X]

membership is free! participate at the levels you're comfortable with!

I was just doing the registration and it says I need to put my phone number in it to be a member.

But I don't want to give away my phone number on the net.

Is there a way around this and still register there?

TheDoc:

Do you have the url of ICC?

[DocAbsurd]

If you're not on my MySpace, Magneto, add yourself on there now. I'll be making some brief announcements about the ICC next week.

Once I get a few things worked out, MacQ, I may take you up on that offer.

I'd like to test the waters first, see what interest stirs up, see if it's something I can a few creators involved with.

Damn. Who'da thunk the Troll-ney might actually serve a purpose? If he hadn't forced so many of us into a corner, we might still be languishing in promises.




Doc 'Perculating' Absurd

[DocAbsurd]

And, Hunni, I wouldn't dream of accomplishing any of this without you by my side.

. . .

We got mushy in public, didn't we?




Doc 'Accidentally Affectionate' Absurd

[Magneto_X]

If you're not on my MySpace, Magneto, add yourself on there now. I'll be making some brief announcements about the ICC next week.

Once I get a few things worked out, MacQ, I may take you up on that offer.

I'd like to test the waters first, see what interest stirs up, see if it's something I can a few creators involved with.

Damn. Who'da thunk the Troll-ney might actually serve a purpose? If he hadn't forced so many of us into a corner, we might still be languishing in promises.




Doc 'Perculating' Absurd

Haven't got a MySpace account yet. Will this allow me to bypass the phone number thingy? :confused:

Anyway, have you seen what Rei_K and Chuckles Cat haven't gotten up to?

Just discovered they've both been published and done *very* well for themselves.

Rei_K even has two ongoing webcomics! :D

Do you know if they are in your groups yet?

[AIPman1]

I was just doing the registration and it says I need to put my phone number in it to be a member.

But I don't want to give away my phone number on the net.

Is there a way around this and still register there?

TheDoc:

Do you have the url of ICC?

yea, fudge the phone number. I thought I had a statement in there that STORE info can be fudged if you don't intend to buy anything through the distro...i'll have to double check...

[Magneto_X]

yea, fudge the phone number. I thought I had a statement in there that STORE info can be fudged if you don't intend to buy anything through the distro...i'll have to double check...

Okay. I'll do ASAP.

[Gail Simone]

Since someone invoked my name, I read the thread.

A couple of thoughts:

1. The CBLDF doesn't get involved in this sort of thing. The word "legal" doesn't mean they handle any and all legal matters. Their charter is very specific: They're a 501 (c) 3 non-profit organization dedicated to the preservation of First Amendment rights for members of the comics community. If the First Amendment isn't being threatened or abrogated, it's outside their charter.

2. A class action suit isn't likely to work either -- class-action lawyers generally get paid as part of the judgment, so unless Olney actually has a fair amount of money, there's no profit for the lawyers. In most cases, lawyers won't undertake a class action case unless there's a good likelihood they'll win a judgment that will actually be paid.

3. However, that doesn't mean there's no recourse whatsoever, nor does it mean (as some have said) that it costs too much money to sue someone. Small-claims court exists specifically for this kind of dispute, where the legal costs of a full-blown civil suit would dwarf the amount of money involved. It's worth checking into, at least -- and even were he able to avoid paying any judgment by declaring bankruptcy, it would cost him time and money on a larger scale than merely going with internet posts does.

Those of you who have e-mails and such that prove the debt have evidence, and you may not need to hire a lawyer to press the case legally.

kdb



Let's all sue Kurt Busiek!

Gail

[Lester C.]

Let's all sue Kurt Busiek!

Gail

Damn straight. It's obvious Kurt has more talent than any ten writers put together, therefore ten writers should sue him for damages.

[Matt Doc Martin]

No "Dick" today. Maybe he took my recommendation to drop dead.

Or he is still asleep under a bridge.

Or he has been committed.

Or the mothership has "called him home".

[Matt Doc Martin]

Let's all sue Kurt Busiek!

Gail

Don't you mean "Kurt Busiek", oh Queen of Plebes?

[THEDOC]

Haven't got a MySpace account yet. Will this allow me to bypass the phone number thingy? :confused:

Anyway, have you seen what Rei_K and Chuckles Cat haven't gotten up to?

Just discovered they've both been published and done *very* well for themselves.

Rei_K even has two ongoing webcomics! :D

Do you know if they are in your groups yet?

Who does these Magneto? You could also go to Comicspace.com and join there as well, it is kinda like Myspace.
Where do you hail from?
You're right D_A I guess "Rick" did do us a "favor" getting us all together and at least start talking to one another. Thanks "Rick".
IF is holding a "Jam in March anyone interested please go to The IF Forum or the above mentioned Comicspace.:) Just look for THEDOC

[THEDOC]

yea, fudge the phone number. I thought I had a statement in there that STORE info can be fudged if you don't intend to buy anything through the distro...i'll have to double check...

I don't THINK I had to put a phone number but maybe I did..getting too old to remember.:confused:
Great books I got so far.

[Magneto_X]

Who does these Magneto? You could also go to Comicspace.com and join there as well, it is kinda like Myspace.
Where do you hail from?

Been wanting to see ComicSpace for a while. But I've been busy---writing, work etc.

It'll take a while to catch up on your site, too. Right now I'm reading a chat transcript. To bad Jonah didn't have this at CBR. Oh well, can't have everything! lol

I'm originally from Australia but right now I live in America.

Haven't been published yet---but that's my fault. My procrastination is terrible! :(

Rei_K and Chuckles Cat are former (?) CBR posters. Both are writers and artists.

This is Rei_K: www.larsony.net www.deviantart.com/deviation/44447234

This Chuckles Cat: http://kurtbelcher1.deviantart.com

[AIPman1]

I don't THINK I had to put a phone number but maybe I did..getting too old to remember.:confused:
Great books I got so far.
It's new for new members, Doc, now that the Distro and forum and rest of site are all integrated smoothly. I need to figure out how to make the store info not REQUIRED, I'm sure there's a way...The actual required info will be just valid e-mail and real name when I get that worked out. I've slowed the code-work now that I'm in production with SP! #50.

[MacQuarrie]

I'd heard some very dodgy sorts were involved back in the old days, but Mort Weisinger had mob connections?
No. Weisinger was a scumbag, but Donnenfeld was the mobster.

[THEDOC]

Been wanting to see ComicSpace for a while. But I've been busy---writing, work etc.

It'll take a while to catch up on your site, too. Right now I'm reading a chat transcript. To bad Jonah didn't have this at CBR. Oh well, can't have everything! lol

I'm originally from Australia but right now I live in America.

Haven't been published yet---but that's my fault. My procrastination is terrible! :(

Rei_K and Chuckles Cat are former (?) CBR posters. Both are writers and artists.

This is Rei_K: www.larsony.net www.deviantart.com/deviation/44447234

This Chuckles Cat: http://kurtbelcher1.deviantart.com

Interesting, I really like Kurt's stuff, reminds me of early Rich Corben.

[THEDOC]

It's new for new members, Doc, now that the Distro and forum and rest of site are all integrated smoothly. I need to figure out how to make the store info not REQUIRED, I'm sure there's a way...The actual required info will be just valid e-mail and real name when I get that worked out. I've slowed the code-work now that I'm in production with SP! #50.

Ah OK Ian, I just bought some more books from your store...sweet!:D

[Kurt Busiek]

Let's all sue Kurt Busiek!

Watch it there, "Gail Simone" -- or should I say, Gary Simonds...?

kdb

[Magneto_X]

Interesting, I really like Kurt's stuff, reminds me of early Rich Corben.

Always thought he'd do well in comics like The Shadow, Batman or Daredevil.

Wouldn't be surprised if he works for the Big Two someday!

[Crowley]

As a creator I'm often asked to critique the portfilios of young creators and offer any advice I can. I'm thinking "Steer clear of Olney" should be at the top of my list of warnings, caveats and tips.

I have just read through the last 25 pages of this thread (Jeezus!) and Rick, though given every opportunity to make his case has come out looking like an absolute prick.

I have put up with some slime in the 15 plus years I've worked in this biz but he really takes the cake and I'll be sure to bookmark this thread to send to any starry-eyed newbies I run across who can't believe such ugliness exists in this industry.

I only hope that comic shop owners getting their orders ready to send out will read this thread as well.

Shame on you, Rick.
i'm sorry... I know this quote is several pages back but I wanted to quote it again.

Pia,

You infinitely rock.

[Ian Boothby]

"Gail Simone" is an anagram of I Am Legions and she writes the Atom so I'd say she's really Shrinking Violet.

That means you have to sue her in the future. A future controlled by her pal Mark Waid. So good luck with that.

[Ronée]

Gails real name is Jo Momma!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I plan to sue Kurt Busiek for not doing Mighty Avengers . I'll have a judge look at my case and claim untold mental anguish on my behalf.


" By Kurt Busiek not doing Mighty Avengers at Marvel , I now cry in bed each night. I tell myself , why GOD....WHY ? "

I wonder if I can call Dan Dido as an expert witness and have him try and explain what Exclusive means. :p

[matterconsumer]

Is there no shame?

Unable to consistently spell her own name she was forced to change it.

Those convention signings?...Just blatant attempts to reinforce the proper spelling of at least one name!

And why such a difficult name? For some reason she thought she had to have an original name :) Sue Dat would have been so much simpler...

[DocAbsurd]

Don't forget the NDA. No suing without the NDA.

Or delusions of grandeur.




Doc 'Legal-Sleeze' Absurd

[Crowley]

Just curious...

Show of hands?
who has a MySpace account?

I'm wondering if enough of us report him to MySpace for Fraud if they're shut down the TLE MySpace?

[matterconsumer]

If we sue Busiek (and win) I want the Wonder Twins...he can keep Marv!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Don't forget the NDA. No suing without the NDA.

Or delusions of grandeur.




Doc 'Legal-Sleeze' Absurd

I have great delusions of grandeur....by Kurt doing Mighty Avengers , there will be peace in the middle east , famine will end and I'll hit the Powerball Lotto.

[Cam63]

Watch it there, "Gail Simone" -- or should I say, Gary Simonds...?

kdb

I knew something was funny about the way Gail walks.

[Cam63]

The similarities between Rick using that line, and iwarrior referring to himself as "the one you love to hate" are just too fucked up to not mention. It's interesting to note how two people can both be not only way screwed up, but screwed up in the same way.

Like a used kleenex ?

[Cam63]

Really? My impression that Iwarrior had an....unique....view of the world (including his hatered of cleavage) but was he really dishonest?

iwarrior could be a decent bloke, but his meltdowns were a little too freaky.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

iwarrior could be a decent bloke, but his meltdowns were a little too freaky.

The whole women wearing thongs thing made me raise my eyebrow. How it was wrong for them I believe. Or some didn't look hot and wore them. Its funny looking back but I still wonder what the deal is with women and thongs kick he was on.

[AaronJ]

iwarrior could be a decent bloke, but his meltdowns were a little too freaky.

That was before my time. But I will say that I simply do not trust anyone who has a problem with cleavage.

It's a rule.

[the4thpip]

Let's not talk about the creepy guy who isn't here and can't entertain us with his replies anymore ...

[Cam63]

Let's all sue Kurt Busiek!

Gail

Nah, just make him open for the Poms in Sydney on Tuesday.

[OzBat!]

No, because then they'd have half a chance of preventing us whitewashing the series.

[Cam63]

How long will it take for someone to ask for a translation of what we just posted, Oz' ?

Go the Aussies !

[singoalla]

Who can we sue to ensure I get my mitts on Christian Bale? Including Bat-accessories?

~looks around shifty like~

[bert]

Let's not talk about the creepy guy who isn't here and can't entertain us with his replies anymore ...

yeah, Azrael52 hasn't posted in pages now. .

:)

[DocAbsurd]

Sing, I got those links you sent me with my columns as they originally were posted on the MMC site. Thank you. I've got the proof I needed.

Since it's been a bit quiet around here, I thought I might be able to post something that's been bothering me for a couple days.

I went off the other night, complaining about my stress and medical problems and such. I apologize for that. Believe me, I wasn't fishing for sympathy; I just wanted someone to see the affect his actions have on others. Yeah, I shoulda known better . . .

So I checked on that someone's blog and found this:

'Wednesday, December 27, 2006


Because you asked, some stuff for the Doc's.

Pain is a terrible thing. Yet we all live with it.'

Quite obviously directed at not only DOC and myself, but at me and my little rant.

The next day, I found this posted in one of the small press e-groups I belong to:

'An Open Letter from Rick Olney:

'Hey guys, don't know if any of the other members got this, but it showed up in my mailbox today...read on...

"Unfortunately, I am pretty much no longer able to (again) insure that my controversial nature might not drip onto this egroup. I know that you have rules here and all, but I've come to understand that rules can work against good people. So I'm going to close my account here. I really don't have time to palaver with y'all right now, and please don't think that I think less of anyone here. I simply don't want any more drama.

"Many of you rode through the Shires nonsense with me. Some were actual friends versus bystanders. I appreciated that. I'm now in the middle of a mess that I couldn't help under the circumstances of losing my mom and other-in-law. I've managed to lose my good friend, Tim Tobolski after answering an email from Rich Johnston, where Johnston brought up the name of Shires and Marty What's-his-wacky-face. Anyway, I used Tim's name as a person I thought could substantiate my claims to Johnston and next thing I know ... I got played. Now Tim is all upset with me and that's really a shame
because I really DO treasure my true friends. Messin' up means paying a price.

"Not that it is important here, but it has also had an effect on my health a little, but I'll be okay. My heart medicine has been increased a little, is all. Contrary to rumors, I don't play on heartstrings. I know who my friends are. My attorney has told me to let people know that my heart is acting up a little just in case. Not that I want to drop dead or anything to prove a point ... or to smiles on the faces of several dozen A$$holes faces. lol

"See... I have my sense of humor. I just need to buckle down and get my business back on track.

"The ICC is gone. The myspace page is erased and so is the egroup on
Yahoo. Tim Tobolski can treat the ideas and concepts as he likes.

"On the comedic side, I now can get a little more action out of my attorney and his firm. He's been on retainer since 1999 and I've needed him a few times ... but he'll be earning his money this coming year, what with the TOTS #1 talents matter to be sorted out.

"I have never said that I didn't owe a few people -- But when Ian Shires comes out of the woodwork again with HIS hand out, it is time to sever my small press connections. 'Course his fat arse had its last meal out of my pocket back in 2003.

"'Course, all my real small press friends know how to reach me. And despite the rumors of S&M taking place on the MMC ... I'll be there with a select few allowed in. Somebody tell Lance Boucher I wish him luck with his 2007 comics event please. Thanks.

"That's it though...

"Floyd -- Normally, I'd stay on and read. But I have not been sitting on my hands the last 45 days. I have 1/2 of TOTS #2 done, and my MONSTER SQUAD book is on track. Along with an manga book, and three creator owned projects. So you guys can see I'll be too busy.

"Apologies.

"You guys have been pretty kind to me. Thank you for that. No real need to reply to this is needed. I won't be here to read it."

There's a lotta stuff in the 'open letter' (which was only open to one person) that irks me, but I'll only focus on the 3 that stand out for me.

1) He used my name without consulting me first or apologizing after. Once again, he's come out as the 'victim' in this mess.

2) So, 'Pain is a terrible thing. Yet we all live with it.' But he's not above mentioning his heart condition when it suits him. Remember: he doesn't 'play on heartstrings'.

3) Martin Oakley was the one who mentioned (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=litg&article=2666) Ian Shires in reference to claims about monies due. Mr Shires did not come out of the woodwork, did not stick out his hand, and did not ask for another meal. I've seen some of the correspondence you've posted, Gail, and how twisted and venomous Rick could be. But I never saw any of that during my conversations with him. Why in heaven's name is he constantly bringing Mr Shires into this? He's like some hack writer, desperately tying conspiracies into each other to make a coherent plot. Or like a rabid dog with his jaws locked onto his own tail.

Jeez, I hope I'm not falling under the same single-mindedness as Rick, regularly dredging stuff up. I'm just ashamed I even had an association with him at this point.




Doc 'Ole Black Magic' Absurd

[TCJohnson]

I went off the other night, complaining about my stress and medical problems and such. I apologize for that. Believe me, I wasn't fishing for sympathy; I just wanted someone to see the affect his actions have on others. Yeah, I shoulda known better . .

You know, man....STOP APOLOGIZING! : beats DocAbsurd with a plush Skeletor doll :

Seriously, this is a good board to vent or rant about things. It's all good.

[AIPman1]

All I can say is MY GOD can someone please erase my name from Rick Onley's mind - I don't want a damn thing from him, and I HATE that he keeps trying to drag me into things with him, I WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN THAT. My only purpose in this thread has been to dispell any question of my having anything to do with Rick, and perhaps make a few new friends and mend a few old fences.

[Momma Absurd]

Holy Heart conditions Batman!! His Attorney wanted him to inform people of his condition and that his meds had been increased? Correct me if I am wrong but I thought you had to have a heart in order for it to have a condition! Hmmmm, thats a new one for my medical books......

I know what stress you have been under and I know how much pain you have been in as well. The thing that makes me so disgusted with all this drama is the pain that you and Gail and Ronee and Matt and everyone else has had to suffer, because he did the most lowlife of deeds: and that was played all of your hearts into false friendships, built on one-sided lies and betrayals.

I hope with all my heart that all of you in the upcoming year gets everything you do published and recognized for the wonderful creators you all are, and that every door you open success is sitting there waiting for you!!

Happy New Year to a great bunch of people!!

Momma " creativity starts with you" Absurd

[Momma Absurd]

TC JOHNSON is my new best friend!! He has a plush Skeletor doll!!!! :) :) :) :)


"You know, man....STOP APOLOGIZING! : beats DocAbsurd with a plush Skeletor doll :"

[DocAbsurd]

You know, man....STOP APOLOGIZING!

Sorry.

Oops, did it again.

I'm sorry.

Damn.

Now I swore. Sorry.




Doc 'Apologetic' Absurd

[THEDOC]

Always thought he'd do well in comics like The Shadow, Batman or Daredevil.

Wouldn't be surprised if he works for the Big Two someday!

That would be nice, he did do a Hulk mini series. I think he had his own tales he wanted to tell like Den. Some friends have been trying to get a hold of hi but he seems to have dropped out of site.

[TCJohnson]

You know, now I am picturing DocAbsurd as Wilt from Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends.


: Gives Momma Absurd the plush Skeletor doll to beat DocAbusrd over the head. Thinks about it and realizes that Doc would probably enjoy it way to much from her. Takes Skeletor back :

[Momma Absurd]

Wow you sound so very apologetic there! Smarty! :p

[TCJohnson]

I know who my friends are. My attorney has told me

You know, that is how I read it the first time. Made me chuckle.

[Momma Absurd]

no no no no!!! I want that Skeletor and I promise I won't let him enjoy his beating LMBO!!!

Personally I can see him as Cheese from that show OMG I LOVE CHEESE!! Thats a thought why can't you all get together and do a cartoon like that, with all the talent here it would be a huge hit!!!

[EdContradictory]

Is Olney's very name still banned at Comicon?

[THEDOC]

I've seen some of the correspondence you've posted, Gail, and how twisted and venomous Rick could be. But I never saw any of that during my conversations with him. Why in heaven's name is he constantly bringing Mr Shires into this? He's like some hack writer, desperately tying conspiracies into each other to make a coherent plot. Or like a rabid dog with his jaws locked onto his own tail.

We were all played back then Tim, but now we have a chance to right some wrongs here and hopefully go back to the harmony we once all enjoyed. I do believe that Rick is severly bi-polar and as one myself I see the signs with his ranting and how he can be nice one minute and well "Rick" the next, luckly I am not as bad as him...I just think I am a Klingon sometimes.

[DocAbsurd]

And despite the rumors of S&M taking place on the MMC ... I'll be there with a select few allowed in.

Sounds a bit . . . risque for a comic book forum.




Doc 'This Is Fun' Absurd

[DocAbsurd]

Personally I can see him as Cheese from that show OMG I LOVE CHEESE!!

Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain! Doitagain!




Doc 'Gargonzolla' Absurd

[TCJohnson]

Sounds a bit . . . risque for a comic book forum.




Not if it is done with plush toys.

[Cam63]

yeah, Azrael52 hasn't posted in pages now. .

:)

Hey, I wonder if that's why you never saw Az' and iwarrior in here at the same time...

[Momma Absurd]

See toldja my creative genius is a smarta$$!!!

[DocAbsurd]

ooooooo, I found another one!

I now can get a little more action out of my attorney and his firm. I've needed him a few times ... but he'll be earning his money this coming year




Doc 'Mis-Quoted For Giggles' Absurd

[TCJohnson]

Funny....this is how all these friends eventually end up....in silliness. As it has been, as it shall be, all praise the circle of life.

[EdContradictory]

From this very forum's Intro thread. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=18811&postcount=48)

ORCA's give aways have been boosted over the years from infusions from my personal collection. Along with the generosity of gifted donations by retailers and fans alike beliving in ORCA's efforts to influence change. Don't think so? Look around!

During my 11 years at the helm of ORCA, I've guided the giving away of over 700, 000 free comic books to schools, libraries, and to the general public starting as far back as 1994. I am the concept originator of the "Comics in the Classroom" educational effort that CrossGen parlayed into their BRIDGES program. I am also the namesake for the "Ric Olie" Star Wars: Episode One starship pilot responsible for giving young Anakin Skywalker (the Future Darth Vader) his first starship flying lesson. It was an honor I shall never forget.

There were never comics in classrooms before Rick Olney.

[Momma Absurd]

ooooooo, I found another one!






Doc 'Mis-Quoted For Giggles' Absurd
He has needed his attorney a few times and this time he will earn his money? How many times has this happened? He wants a little more action out of his attorney? How active can a figment of the imagination be? Hmmmmmm and he calls my attorney an idiot? Excuse me while I roll on the floor in hysterical giggles.

[DocAbsurd]

There were never comics in classrooms before Rick Olney.

He'll be glad you've finally admitted it.

See? We're finally swinging around to his P.O.V. Won't be long before we're all signing NDAs and consulting our attorneys before we strike anymore friendships.




Doc 'One of Him' Absurd

[the4thpip]

Few people know that the Queen of England's left nostril was named after me.

[Cam63]

Huh. Olney claimed the Star Wars: Episode One character Ric Olie is named after him.

Is there any truth to that or is it another fantasy of his ?

[Eliseu Gouveia]

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[Momma Absurd]

I could more imagine him being a troll from the Lord of the Rings......but you never know.

[Cam63]

I wonder if he's paid George Lucas yet ?

[DocAbsurd]

He has needed his attorney a few times and this time he will earn his money? How many times has this happened? He wants a little more action out of his attorney? How active can a figment of the imagination be? Hmmmmmm and he calls my attorney an idiot? Excuse me while I roll on the floor in hysterical giggles.

He's had an attorney on retainer since '99. That's a lotta bottle returns over the past 7 years.

He's had his first comic, Tales of the Spooky, suspended from publication for nearly 2 years. It was supposed to be released in conjunction with some grandiose Hallowe'en convention he's been planning and postponing. Seems that's tied up in the same litigation that the rest of us are finding ourselves in: non-payment to creators.

Like I told you last night, if it were me, I would simply hand back all the original material to the creators -- along with some sort of payment -- and allow them to use what they wrote, drew, whatever, wherever they wished. I'd start over and make damn sure people got paid, starting back with the ones who've owed the longest.

But then, I'm just a creator.




Doc 'Nickel and Dimed' Absurd

[Momma Absurd]

TC I have found that my silly friends are the best ones.......still thinking about Skeletor.....do you happen to have a pic of him? My brother gave my son some old He-man action figures that he had from the 80's and he loves them...

[TCJohnson]

Huh. Olney claimed the Star Wars: Episode One character Ric Olie is named after him.

Is there any truth to that or is it another fantasy of his ?

Probably fantasy.

Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace (1999)


In this Star Wars prequel, Qui-Gon Jinn (Liam Neeson) and a young Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ewan McGregor) must protect the Queen of Naboo (Natalie Portman) from the evil clutches of Darth Sidious and Senator Palpatine. Along the way, they meet a prepubescent Anakin Skywalker, who shows intimations of a great gift. Dazzling special effects from director George Lucas's CGI specialists make this entry in the saga really hum.

But I'd like to focus on a character near and dear to me; Naboo Pilot Ric Olie, played by actor, Ralph Brown.

Olié, Ric

This man was a native of the planet Naboo, and was the leader of Royal Armed Forces.. Bravo Squadron. However, like the rest of Naboo society, he was unprepared for the Trade Federation..s invasion force of droids. Olie and his pilots were quickly rounded up and prepared for dispatching to a detention camp when Qui-Gin Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi managed to liberate Queen Amidala from her Neimoidian captors. Obi-Wan freed the pilots, and the group fled Naboo for Coruscant. Ric Olie took control as the senior pilot, guiding them through the Federation..s blockade as best he could. However, all his skills were no match for the firepower of the Federation battle cruisers. He was forced to limp the ship to Tatooine for repairs, but eventually got Amidala to Coruscant. While en route, Ric brought young Anakin Skywalker into the cockpit and taught him about the working of the starship. Later, during the Battle of Naboo, Ric led Bravo Squadron against the Federation..s droid control ship. With the unexpected help of young Anakin, they were able to destroy the control ship and eliminate the threat imposed by the Federation..s droid armies. And, yes, Ric Olie was portrayed by Ralph Brown. But he was also named after me, Rick Olney, as there often is, a rest of the story.

I mentioned ORCA earlier. It was a fandom group that initially grew out of 9 neighborhood kids from the west end of Utica in central New York. After a late summer garage sale, and with the curiosity of nine youngsters from a four block radius. I identified that many kids were buying comics or having mom or dad buy them and then, simply were not reading them. Another curiosity to me was how how these kids lived so close within that neighborhood radius but didn't really know each other. When I was a lad that age, we all hung out and played stuff like kickball, baseball, and softball. We had fights and even chased after each other's girlfriends. All harmless fun at the ages of 12 to 16 years back then.

Well, without making this blog about ORCA -- ORCA soon grew outside of the school district, the County, the State, and in 2003 it topped out at slightly over 1800 roster members. It was back in 1996, when I got contacted by Skywalker Ranch regarding a children's Cancer benefit that had plans to have. ORCA had a system that allowed it to buy and gather, along with taking in donations, a number of comic books to give away freely. Skywalker Ranch was simply asking for a donation of comic books. So I packed up three long boxes and sent them out to them. I also sent them copies of our newsletter, Fresh. (examples pictured)

Fresh was distributed freely at comic book events, mailed to industry types, and we got some nice notice from within fandom and the comic book entertainment industry for our efforts with it.

Meanwhile, someone at Skywalker Ranch decided to thank me for what I was doing in a rather unique way. Taking to heart that I believed then as I believe now regarding kids reading comic books being good all the way around for the hobby and this industry. And, I can only guess looking into my bold claims about ORCA and our goals to put the comic book in schools, libraries, and places where kids couldn't help BUT find them ... My name was altered slightly and bestowed upon a character that rescued Queen
Amidala, her court, a couple of well known Jedi Knights, and a young man that would one day grow up to be the greatest starship pilot to traverse the Lucas universe. And where did young Anakin Skywalker get his first starship piloting lesson. Why... from Ric Olie, of course! Kind of like me giving away all those free comic books to kids to foster healthier younger reader reading habits.

There is slightly more to the story, details wise, but to date I've only seen two Star Wars Action figures created and sold based on real people [Me and George Lucas]

What's that Jack Palance used to close his Ripley's television program with; Believe it or not!

Here (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.listAll&friendID=59528410&startID=206507455&StartPostedDate=2006-12-17%2002:39:00&next=1&page=2&Mytoken=2DE0E741-B2C0-4F21-81423E95AD6988FB26171835)

[DocAbsurd]

Damn, this thread is leaving me worried, I did a couple pages for Tightlip not so long ago and I´m starting to wonder if I´ll get paid....

God's honest truth?

Don't expect it.

Not unless you've signed reams of contracts, in blood and triplicate, under a full moon, and swore fealty to Satan.

The reviews I wrote date back to 2004. We're headed into 2007. Guess how much I've seen in payment?

You've let your voice to this discussion as one of the many. Count yourself amongst friends and wave whatever he owes you 'buh-bye'.

By the way, what did you do?




Doc 'Legions' Absurd

[Momma Absurd]

My Attorney!! My Aaaaaaaattttttttoooooooorrrrrneeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyy! My Attorney! My Atttttttttttttoooooooooorrrrrrrrnnnnnnnneeeeeeyyyy yyyy!! My Attorney!!! My Atttttorrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnneyyyyyyyyyyyy!! Oops My Heart!!!!!!!!!! My Heart!!!!! My Heaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaart!!

** Pfsssssssssssssst :d

[TCJohnson]

TC I have found that my silly friends are the best ones.......still thinking about Skeletor.....do you happen to have a pic of him? My brother gave my son some old He-man action figures that he had from the 80's and he loves them...

Well.....honestly I pulled an Onley.

I wanted to give Doc a metephorical slap on the back of the head and thought he would get a chuckle if it was done with a metaphorical toy. I don't actually have one. :( You forgive me?

[DocAbsurd]

There's been a lotta characters named or modeled after real people in Star Wars. Dexter Jettster for one. And Lucas' whole family showed up in Episode 3. The young Padawan who fought against the Clones in the Jedi Temple was modeled after his son.

He's told this story over and over again. So much so that it's become almost believable.

Almost.

Lucas is not one to hide his inspiration. He freely admits in interviews, books, etc, exactly where he draws his ideas from. And, being the Star Wars fanatic that I am, have done my best to read as much as I can.

I've never heard mention of the origins of 'Ric Olie', except from Rick.

I agree. This does need to be filed with Ripley.




Doc 'Believe It or Else' Absurd

[Momma Absurd]

I'm shocked but yes I am a forgiving person, so your forgiven.lol

[Matt Doc Martin]

In Olney world:

Olney = Olie

"I am sending you money" = "I will pay you for an NDA"

[Gail Simone]

Huh. Olney claimed the Star Wars: Episode One character Ric Olie is named after him.

Is there any truth to that or is it another fantasy of his ?

Who knows...when he told the story to us, he made it sound a lot more like a POSSIBILITY than a certainty, the way he tells it now. He specifically said, "Now, I'm not saying that it's absolutely based on me...but it COULD be."

Maybe he got some confirmation or maybe the story has changed, don't know.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Damn, this thread is leaving me worried, I did a couple pages for Tightlip not so long ago and I´m starting to wonder if I´ll get paid....

Hope so, Eliseu, I think everyone is hoping for the best despite his track record.

Gail

[singoalla]

Sing, I got those links you sent me with my columns as they originally were posted on the MMC site. Thank you. I've got the proof I needed.
......

I went off the other night, complaining about my stress and medical problems and such. I apologize for that. Believe me, I wasn't fishing for sympathy; I just wanted someone to see the affect his actions have on others. Yeah, I shoulda known better . . .

..........

Jeez, I hope I'm not falling under the same single-mindedness as Rick, regularly dredging stuff up. I'm just ashamed I even had an association with him at this point.


No problem at all. And no need to apologize or feel ashamed. People who act in good faith have no reason to feel bad. If nothing else comes out of this, at least we'll have your collective experiences and a great big neon warning sign.

[Buckminster Futter]

Is Olney's very name still banned at Comicon?

I assure you that it certainly is.

He was banned from Comicon.com by site co-owner and Administrator Rick Veitch for several different offenses, including having a number of meltdowns/tantrums resulting in his spamming the boards with countless threads, myriad threats of litigation (your current travails have all sounded so very familiar), and the making of actual threats of physical violence on at least 3 occasions, of which I was one of the recipients.

And yes, not only has The Stinky One been banned from participating at Comicon.com, but if you evoke his name in the course of your own posting it will read as ---- -----. A dubious and singular distinction there, to be sure.

I, among many others, crossed swords with the idiot many times for quite a while over there, and he was an endless source of amusement and ridicule. Unfortunately, what he's up to now ain't so funny anymore.

And, by the way, as you surely suspect, that "Ric Olie" story is complete and utter horseshit.

Good luck to all involved...you have my complete sympathy in this matter, and I hope it comes to a fruitful and just conclusion.

[Gail Simone]

I assure you that it certainly is.

He was banned from Comicon.com by site co-owner and Administrator Rick Veitch for several different offenses, including having a number of meltdowns/tantrums resulting in his spamming the boards with countless threads, myriad threats of litigation (your current travails have all sounded so very familiar), and the making of actual threats of physical violence on at least 3 occasions, of which I was one of the recipients.

And yes, not only has The Stinky One been banned from participating at Comicon.com, but if you evoke his name in the course of your own posting it will read as ---- -----. A dubious and singular distinction there, to be sure.

I, among many others, crossed swords with the idiot many times for quite a while over there, and he was an endless source of amusement and ridicule. Unfortunately, what he's up to now ain't so funny anymore.

And, by the way, as you surely suspect, that "Ric Olie" story is complete and utter horseshit.

Good luck to all involved...you have my complete sympathy in this matter, and I hope it comes to a fruitful and just conclusion.



Thank you for posting...I intend to talk to Rick V and Scott Shaw about this, but it's nice to hear from someone who was there.

I do remember some people asking for proof of some of Orca's claims but I don't remember what became of it.

Gail

[EdContradictory]

And, by the way, as you surely suspect, that "Ric Olie" story is complete and utter horseshit.

You know, through all his horsecrap, I actually believed that story.

But it's much funnier knowing now that it's an assumption of his that he turned into a fact.

What a douche.

[THEDOC]

Thank you for posting...I intend to talk to Rick V and Scott Shaw about this, but it's nice to hear from someone who was there.

I do remember some people asking for proof of some of Orca's claims but I don't remember what became of it.

Gail
Good gosh, Scott Shaw! was involved with Rick somehow. Oh the humanity. Shaw! rocks.

[DocAbsurd]

Thank you for posting...I intend to talk to Rick V and Scott Shaw about this, but it's nice to hear from someone who was there.

I do remember some people asking for proof of some of Orca's claims but I don't remember what became of it.

Gail

Most likely lost in the shuffle. It's been happening fast and furious around here.

I only heard his side of events of what happened at Comicon.com, and, gee, guess who was the victim there as well? I believe my association with him began at the tail-end of events there, so I never had the chance to see it myself. I did know about the censoring of his name, as well as the several meltdowns. Never knew about the threats.

Jeez. Wouldn't this be about the time when a saner person would crawl into a hole, buy their comics in relative anonimity at some nearby LCS, forget about dreams of comic book conquest and just pray everyone forgets they ever existed?




Doc 'Infamy' Absurd

[Gail Simone]

Good gosh, Scott Shaw! was involved with Rick somehow. Oh the humanity. Shaw! rocks.

Scott Shaw! is the reason I'm in comics today and one of the best, most decent, kindest and most talented guys this industry has ever seen. And his fambly is just as great. I adore that guy. I can't even list the nice things he's done for me and people I know.

Gail

[Buckminster Futter]

I do remember some people asking for proof of some of Orca's claims but I don't remember what became of it.

Gail

Olney claimed at one point that donations of comics to ORCA would be tax deductible, but, after several inquiries, never seemed to be able to provide proof of his organization's legal status in this regard to anyone's satisfaction. Imagine that! As a matter of fact, as I recall his subsequent meltdown on this subject is what got him escorted out of the building, so to speak.

I suspect his claims about ORCA's philanthropic endeavors to be about as gaseous as he apparently is.

[Bright-Raven]

Doc Absurd:

(Olney)'s had his first comic, Tales of the Spooky, suspended from publication for nearly two years. It was supposed to be released in conjunction with some grandiose Halloween convention he's been planning and postponing. Seems that's tied up in the same litigation that the rest of us are finding ourselves in: non-payment to creators.

Waitaminute.

If the book is tied up in court, and all Rick's doing is "postponing" the publication because of it, it's a simple matter of filing a request for a court order requiring Rick to publish the book and have all proceeds accounted for by the court to pay off the creators with before Rick sees one penny of profit from it. Why would you need 'two years of litigation' over non-payment? Most judges would likely resolve such a dispute in this manner, or would have ordered Rick to return all the works to the original creators.

Speaking of legalities, I'm wondering whether or not Rick's ever had "Tightlip Entertainment" registered and verified as a small business in Mohawk, NY (which is where Rick has his business located, as listed according to what he has registered as his address for his domain name). There is no record of "Tightlip Entertainment" anywhere in the online records of the Herkimer County Chamber of Commerce (which includes all businesses in the locale of Mohawk, NY). In fact, I cannot find ANY legal registration of "Tightlip Entertainment" as a business anywhere in the state of New York.

Why am I not surprised?

[Magneto_X]

That would be nice, he did do a Hulk mini series.

Really?!? That's awesome! Do you know what said mini was called?

I think he had his own tales he wanted to tell like Den.

That's true.

Some friends have been trying to get a hold of hi but he seems to have dropped out of site.

To bad he doesn't post here anymore. CC is a really nice guy to talk to.

At least he's got his own profile at Deviant Art so people can talk to him and/or see what he's been up to.

[TomStillwell]

Speaking of legalities, I'm wondering whether or not Rick's ever had "Tightlip Entertainment" registered and verified as a small business in Mohawk, NY (which is where Rick has his business located, as listed according to what he has registered as his address for his domain name). There is no record of "Tightlip Entertainment" anywhere in the online records of the Herkimer County Chamber of Commerce (which includes all businesses in the locale of Mohawk, NY). In fact, I cannot find ANY legal registration of "Tightlip Entertainment" as a business anywhere in the state of New York.

It's very possible that Olney is acting as the sole proprietor of his business and not registered at all under TightLip.

It's not an uncommon or illegal practice. I myself am the sole proprietor of my business without having Spinner Rack Comics registered.

[Typo Lad]

Personally I can see him as Cheese from that show OMG I LOVE CHEESE!! Thats a thought why can't you all get together and do a cartoon like that, with all the talent here it would be a huge hit!!!

Doc, you found a woman who likes Chesse?

If you don't make her blissfully happy, I'll have to thwap you!

[TCJohnson]

I'm shocked but yes I am a forgiving person, so your forgiven.lol

Actually, I used to collect stuff like that but stopped. As much as I love toys, I love cats even more. One of the things I currently do is I take in homeless and stray cats who have been approved by a vet and keep them in my house until they could get adopted out. Many of these cats have spent very little time inside and, well, any toy I buy and display does not last long. Especially plushy ones. So I stopped buy things like that all together. But it is ok, knowing I saved a furry face from being put down at an overcrowded shelter is hugely gratifying to me.

[Kurt Busiek]

I knew something was funny about the way Gail walks.

It's the liniment.

kdb

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Busiek , what do you think of my impending lawsuit on Mighty Avengers. Surely you will rethink this thing called....DC Exclusive ! ;)

[Sarah Beach]

Yeah, Himself could be "doing business as" under his own name. Or you could check "Orca", "Orcafresh" and "MightyMiniCon".

Now that I think of it, because of the Cons, surely he's had to register some sort of business name and have a business license?

I know I had to register for LA City business & sales licenses, and a state sales license (the sales ones because I'm selling original Christmas cards). He should be registered in some fashion somewhere, I'd think. New York laws and California laws can't be all that dissimilar.

I noticed on his mySpace profile that, as far as I can figure out, his only current "employment" is Orcafresh and TightLip. I guess someone else is bringing home the family bacon.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Yeah, Himself could be "doing business as" under his own name. Or you could check "Orca", "Orcafresh" and "MightyMiniCon".

Now that I think of it, because of the Cons, surely he's had to register some sort of business name and have a business license?



He doesn't go as a business. He goes as a common plebe guest.

And he doesn't sell anything.

[Matt Doc Martin]

I noticed on his mySpace profile that, as far as I can figure out, his only current "employment" is Orcafresh and TightLip. I guess someone else is bringing home the family bacon.

And I wouldn't believe a word of his myspace. You have seen the crap he writes.

[Bright-Raven]

Tom: Yes, Mr. Olney could have the organization listed as a sole proprietorship, as you do.

However, you're a different case. You have your domain name privately secured (which is entirely legal). And you do not own a commercial website, which would likely require you to list a legitimate business address.

Mr. Olney does not have a commercial website either, but he chose to allow his registration to be public knowledge, and the information is... interesting.

His registered contact address for his domain name is in Mohawk, New York. His site's IP address is in West Palm Beach, Florida. Nothing illegal about this, as people use different ISP services all over the country all the time. However, the address listed (70 W. Main St. Mohawk, NY 13407) seems to be located in the business sector of town, not in a residential area. If this is correct (and I am checking with local Mohawk NY real estate and the Herkimer County Chamber of Commerce to confirm this), it would imply that he is working out of some sort of commercial building, which would likely mean a requisite registration with the local Chamber of Commerce of his business. Since there is no registration of a "Richard Olney", "Rick Olney", or "Tightlip Entertainment".... well, you take a guess where this is headed.

He does not have a P.O. Box listing for contact on his domain name - just the physical street address.

I won't run through theoreticals publicly, just because I'm feeling generous. I'll let the legal people figure out the implications that I'm alluding to.

[DocAbsurd]

Waitaminute.

If the book is tied up in court, and all Rick's doing is "postponing" the publication because of it, it's a simple matter of filing a request for a court order requiring Rick to publish the book and have all proceeds accounted for by the court to pay off the creators with before Rick sees one penny of profit from it. Why would you need 'two years of litigation' over non-payment? Most judges would likely resolve such a dispute in this manner, or would have ordered Rick to return all the works to the original creators.

I just found out about this, Louis. I thought (and was told) that Tales of the Spooky was held up because he was still waiting for contributors. And he was already planning -- and pimping -- the second issue. I never knew anything about it being tied up in court. At this rate, he's gotta have his own parking space at the courthouse.

If I can find any of the contributors who're 'unfairly demanding' their payment and haven't gotten it yet, I'll pass this along to them.

Y'know, the more I hear someone explain the simple legalities of certain situations, the more I'm absolutely convinced he does not have an attorney. No lawyer who values his official 'Junior Ambulance Chaser' membership (complete with signed plaque and decoder ring) would ever give his client this kinda advice.




Doc 'In Issue Three He Resurrects Kirby' Absurd

[Momma Absurd]

That is so good that you do that. Here in Kentucky my son and I have a baby farm and he takes in every stray coming and going and I am guilty of it too.......Doc collects toys and we collect animals should make for a very interesting home someday.......

[Kurt Busiek]

Busiek , what do you think of my impending lawsuit on Mighty Avengers. Surely you will rethink this thing called....DC Exclusive ! ;)

I wouldn't be writing MIGHTY AVENGERS even if I wasn't exclusive.

So bring it on! But sign an NDA first.

My lawyer says.

kdb

[DocAbsurd]

I know for a fact that ORCA is registered as a not-for-profit organization. Would it be possible he's using that as a front for his other businesses, hence his claims of no income?

As for his physical location, he recently bought and converted a -- get this -- former funeral parlor in his area.

Explains a lot, don't it?




Doc 'Morbid' Absurd

[Gail Simone]

Mr. Olney,

What I don't understand is what do you hope to gain by threatening to involve the court over people like myself for wanting our money?

After hearing multiple excuses and ultimately silence from you in response to my inquiries about payment, I went public as a record of non payment and to inform other creators so they could avoid the same problems I'm experiencing.

Your response?
Not an apology.
Not an effort to put together a payment plan and keep creators informed.
It was a threat of litigation... all because I want to be paid in a professional, timely fashion for services rendered months ago.

If by some chance you took me to court, what would you hope to win?
If you want to be a respectable professional publisher, then please do the right thing: apologize, stop threatening people who trusted you enough to work for you, and put together a game plan for payment with regular updates.



This right here is what's important to remember. Good people got screwed by a very unscrupulous guy. They did the work in good faith and were repaid with deception.

That's the point.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

I wouldn't be writing MIGHTY AVENGERS even if I wasn't exclusive.

So bring it on! But sign an NDA first.

My lawyer says.

kdb

You have to sign an NDA before I'll read your post about NDA's.

Gail

[Momma Absurd]

I assure you that it certainly is.

He was banned from Comicon.com by site co-owner and Administrator Rick Veitch for several different offenses, including having a number of meltdowns/tantrums resulting in his spamming the boards with countless threads, myriad threats of litigation (your current travails have all sounded so very familiar), and the making of actual threats of physical violence on at least 3 occasions, of which I was one of the recipients.

And yes, not only has The Stinky One been banned from participating at Comicon.com, but if you evoke his name in the course of your own posting it will read as ---- -----. A dubious and singular distinction there, to be sure.

I, among many others, crossed swords with the idiot many times for quite a while over there, and he was an endless source of amusement and ridicule. Unfortunately, what he's up to now ain't so funny anymore.

And, by the way, as you surely suspect, that "Ric Olie" story is complete and utter horseshit.

Good luck to all involved...you have my complete sympathy in this matter, and I hope it comes to a fruitful and just conclusion.


Goodness, if he is actually threatening people with physical violence why haven't they came forward, or have they and I just never was told? He sounds like hes a time bomb ready to spark off...
:eek:

[Kurt Busiek]

However, the address listed (70 W. Main St. Mohawk, NY 13407) seems to be located in the business sector of town, not in a residential area.

According to Google, that address is one of the locations of Murphy Funeral Service, Inc.

And going by Google Maps, it's not in the town center or anything, but an area of freestanding buildings that could well be mixed business/residential.

kdb

[Kurt Busiek]

You have to sign an NDA before I'll read your post about NDA's.

My lawyer won't let me, until I have an NDA from everyone in this thread.

kdb

[Gail Simone]

My lawyer won't let me, until I have an NDA from everyone in this thread.

kdb

Then you sir, can talk to my lawyer for cyberflimflummery.

Gail

[Kurt Busiek]

Then you sir, can talk to my lawyer for cyberflimflummery.

Bring it on, "Gary."

kdb

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I wouldn't be writing MIGHTY AVENGERS even if I wasn't exclusive.

So bring it on! But sign an NDA first.

My lawyer says.

kdb

My lawyer ( aka Ben Matlock ) has told me you have to sign my NDA , to sign your NDA. Then we will battle in front of a judge with NDA Lightsabers at dawn ! You will feel my NDA FURY . :evilsmile

[Kurt Busiek]

My lawyer ( aka Ben Matlock ) has told me you have to sign my NDA , to sign your NDA. Then we will battle in front of a judge with NDA Lightsabers at dawn ! You will feel my NDA FURY .

Plebe.

kdb

[DoctorDoom]

Now I know.

Thanks.

[DocAbsurd]

Goodness, if he is actually threatening people with physical violence why haven't they came forward, or have they and I just never was told? He sounds like hes a time bomb ready to spark off...
:eek:

People have spoken up against him, Hun, over at the Comicon.com boards. This happened . . . what, 3 years ago? Mebbe 4?

That's why he's been banned there, at Chuck Dixon's boards, at SPA . . . the list is endless. I think he's even been banned here a few times.

He's not waiting to spark off; he's looking for a new target.




Doc 'Tick' Absurd

[Momma Absurd]

My lawyer ( aka Ben Matlock ) has told me you have to sign my NDA , to sign your NDA. Then we will battle in front of a judge with NDA Lightsabers at dawn ! You will feel my NDA FURY . :evilsmile

OMGOODNESS!! Another Ben Matlock!!! LMBO :D

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Plebe.

kdb

:eek: *Gasp


( Falls over wounded ). I'll-I'll be back to.....stalk you with my NDA.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

OMGOODNESS!! Another Ben Matlock!!! LMBO :D

No one can touch Ben Matlock. I have him on retainer. Right under Perry Mason's home number. But Mason's starting to cost too much so I gotta go the cheap route.

[Momma Absurd]

People have spoken up against him, Hun, over at the Comicon.com boards. This happened . . . what, 3 years ago? Mebbe 4?

That's why he's been banned there, at Chuck Dixon's boards, at SPA . . . the list is endless. I think he's even been banned here a few times.

He's not waiting to spark off; he's looking for a new target.




Doc 'Tick' Absurd

Then hes lucky someone hasn't hunted him down and took him on it.

[Kurt Busiek]

No one can touch Ben Matlock. I have him on retainer. Right under Perry Manson's home number. But Manson's starting to cost too much so I gotta go the cheap route.

Perry Manson, famed for the "Helter Skelter" defense?

No wonder he's expensive!

kdb

[Matt Doc Martin]

Then hes lucky someone hasn't hunted him down and took him on it.



We'll see if he "gets me" at MegaCon, what with his "surprise" and his posse and all.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Perry Manson, famed for the "Helter Skelter" defense?

No wonder he's expensive!

kdb

That wheelchair set him crazy, what can I say. ;)

[Sarah Beach]

For the specifics leading up to Olney's banning on Dixonverse, you can check this out (http://www.scribblerworks.us/news/Dixonverse%20PDF.htm).

I'd planned to email it to him when I was in the heat of composition, with a note that he was now banned from posting on Dixonverse. But after I'd gotten through 7 pages of carefully reasoned venting (yeah, be warned, the PDF is long), I decided it wasn't worth it.

I think the one new aspect there is the bit about his interactions with Scott "Condiment" King.

[DoctorDoom]

wow just checked his myspace....wierd

also seems like he acts like he's in the position to give fogiveness. and I quote

Yes, I've done a lot of things in my life, good and bad. Some I can brag about, others which I can't for obvious reasons. There's a New Year coming! -- Try to find it in your heart to FORGIVE someone you've judged wrongly in your life. We all rush to conclusions, and mistakes get made. Things get said, and nothing holds you in that mean and ugly place way down deep in your soul... but you. Fix it. It isn't to late.

[TCJohnson]

Jeez. Wouldn't this be about the time when a saner person would crawl into a hole, buy their comics in relative anonimity at some nearby LCS, forget about dreams of comic book conquest and just pray everyone forgets they ever existed?

Giving up your dreams is a damned scary thing and I hope nobody, every fully gives up on their dreams. Not even Rickk Olney. Of course, tempering your dreams with a healthy dose of reality goes a long way.

[DocAbsurd]

I been meaning to check over there, Sarah, but he kept 'insisting' that I go and read what was being said. And as I constantly told him, I wanted no part of whatever he was getting himself into.

I really regret some of things I said in conversation with him. He got me so hooked in and believing his 'innocence' (ever notice how many quotes I use when speaking about him?) I was berating good people just to prop him up.

Considering the way my ex twisted my head around, you'd think I'd be a little wiser to tricks like his.




Doc 'More Confused than a Tornado in a Trailer Park' Absurd

[Momma Absurd]

wow just checked his myspace....wierd

also seems like he acts like he's in the position to give fogiveness. and I quote

Now hes a Cosmic repentant minister wannabe, I wouldn't ask him to forgive me for what I have said to him even if it meant I had to do purgatory with some of my mom's crazy old bitter aunts, my son's gay dog and Mr. Onery in the same space in hell. ......

[TCJohnson]

That is so good that you do that. Here in Kentucky my son and I have a baby farm and he takes in every stray coming and going and I am guilty of it too.......Doc collects toys and we collect animals should make for a very interesting home someday.......

Oh....baby farm, huh? So that is where babies come from. I knew all that talk about vaginas was just too silly to be believed.

[Momma Absurd]

Oh....baby farm, huh? So that is where babies come from. I knew all that talk about vaginas was just too silly to be believed.

Then you were right weren't you? LOL :D My Doc won't let me have a "real baby" farm, he says NO to toy sharing............

[Sarah Beach]

I been meaning to check over there, Sarah, but he kept 'insisting' that I go and read what was being said. And as I constantly told him, I wanted no part of whatever he was getting himself into.

I really regret some of things I said in conversation with him. He got me so hooked in and believing his 'innocence' (ever notice how many quotes I use when speaking about him?) I was berating good people just to prop him up.

Considering the way my ex twisted my head around, you'd think I'd be a little wiser to tricks like his.




Doc 'More Confused than a Tornado in a Trailer Park' Absurd

That's okay, Tim. No one at Dixonverse is likely to hold it against you, now that you've "seen the light".

And actually, since the Dixonverse board provider has a shorter cache, the Olney threads have been deleted (we use up space with a lot of chatter there). However, even though we don't archive the board as a standard practice, we did copy all those threads (not just Olney's posts) after he was banned. The one "unfortunate" thing is that some of his vilest posts (to Gail, and to Mike Netzer in particular) I out-and-out deleted immediately after reading them. It didn't occur to me until later that I should have copied them first. They were truly toxic - the Gail/porn one in particular. (Gail - you have NO idea how much that particular one offended ME. I was furious on your behalf!)

[Momma Absurd]

Gail/porn one wth???????

[Sarah Beach]

Gail/porn one wth???????

You don't want to know. He was trying to be as insulting as possible and managed that much fairly well. It was vile.

In fact, it is the one thing I wish I had copied before deleting, it's that one. Because if ever there was legal cause for "defamation of character" (in this case, Gail's), that one was one. Oh well.

[TCJohnson]

Goodness, if he is actually threatening people with physical violence why haven't they came forward, or have they and I just never was told? He sounds like hes a time bomb ready to spark off...
:eek:

Haven't we seen him threaten Matt Doc Martin in this very thread? I don't think saying he was going get knocked off his feet (think that is what he said) wasn't a flirtation.

[Bright-Raven]

Kurt:

I did say "seems to be... commercial and not residential". I was using a different online map guide that wasn't as clearly defined.

But in either case, even if he's residentially located and not commercial... no idea what the requisite of registration for home based businesses in that particular county or township / city are as yet. You know yourself how you have to file certain paperwork for your tax purposes for a home based business as a writer. It'd be no different for Rick as a self-publisher as he would be subject to whatever laws and regulations may be in place in Herkimer County, the city / township of Mohawk, and the state of New York.

*******

Doc Absurd:

I know for a fact that ORCA is registered as a not-for-profit organization. Would it be possible he's using that as a front for his other businesses, hence his claims of no income?

As for his physical location, he recently bought and converted a -- get this -- former funeral parlor in his area.

Actually, that makes all kinds of sense! Hiding what amounts to fraudulent business practices under the guise of an NPO and claiming you can't pay is right on par for the behavior exhibited, Tim.

As for converting a funeral parlor... well, I guess he's trying to bury his demons. *Snicker* Be a hell of a lot easier if he just paid up.

You know, the more information that comes out, the more I think this goes far beyond civil and smack into criminal matters.

[Bright-Raven]

Sarah:

You don't want to know. He was trying to be as insulting as possible and managed that much fairly well. It was vile.

In fact, it is the one thing I wish I had copied before deleting, it's that one. Because if ever there was legal cause for "defamation of character" (in this case, Gail's), that one was one.

Could always try the wayback machine site and see if there's a record of the commentary.

[DocAbsurd]

See what I mean about how much was hidden?

He never said one thing about his rude commentary, or how much of the actual trouble he was instigating. All I ever heard was how everyone there was bad-mouthing him, how Mr Dixon was making outrageous claims, and, of course, how Gail was leading the entourage.

He even told me about the 'politely worded' (his terminology, not mine) emails he sent you, Sarah, when things were getting out of control, and how you promised to reign it all in.

I been fairly even-tempered during all this. Now I can see exactly how much of his plebe he'd made me. I wasn't no fecking friend; I was just a pawn of sympathy in his sick little game of comic book chess.




Doc 'Twisted Mister' Absurd

[Matt Doc Martin]

Haven't we seen him threaten Matt Doc Martin in this very thread? I don't think saying he was going get knocked off his feet (think that is what he said) wasn't a flirtation.

Yeah..it was something along the lines of "I'd be lucky to be on my feet", and "I should approach carefully" as he would have guards.

[Bright-Raven]

TC:

Yes, Olney publicly threatened physical violence against Matt on several occassions here in this thread.

Which, if we wanted, we could send as an example (as well as the comicon.com site threats) to every single comics convention in the country and formally request that Mr. Olney be denied attendance to said comics conventions, on the grounds that he is unstable and may be a danger to himself and to others.

Given the circumstances, I'd lay odds most of the convention organizers throughout the country would gladly bar him from attending just out of principle. And they would be completely justified in doing so, because most any convention reserves the right to refuse sale of admission to any party.

[Momma Absurd]

I am floored I had no earthly idea that this maniac had threatened to physically hurt people and defamed their characters like that. He is truly unbalanced and needs help in a serious way. Mind you, I don't feel sorry for him, my sympathy for him is nonexistent but the man needs serious help.....

[Matt Doc Martin]

TC:

Yes, Olney publicly threatened physical violence against Matt on several occassions here in this thread.

Which, if we wanted, we could send as an example (as well as the comicon.com site threats) to every single comics convention in the country and formally request that Mr. Olney be denied attendance to said comics conventions, on the grounds that he is unstable and may be a danger to himself and to others.

Given the circumstances, I'd lay odds most of the convention organizers throughout the country would gladly bar him from attending just out of principle. And they would be completely justified in doing so, because most any convention reserves the right to refuse sale of admission to any party.


I am not terribly worried. He strikes me as an impotent blowhard. Brave behind a keyboard. Dude is old, overweight, and has a heart condition and bad b.o. He is only a threat to olfactory senses.

[Corrina]

OMGOODNESS!! Another Ben Matlock!!! LMBO :D

Nobody loves Perry Mason anymore.

And he looked so damn good in those gray suits.

[Sarah Beach]

See what I mean about how much was hidden?

He never said one thing about his rude commentary, or how much of the actual trouble he was instigating. All I ever heard was how everyone there was bad-mouthing him, how Mr Dixon was making outrageous claims, and, of course, how Gail was leading the entourage.

He even told me about the 'politely worded' (his terminology, not mine) emails he sent you, Sarah, when things were getting out of control, and how you promised to reign it all in.

I been fairly even-tempered during all this. Now I can see exactly how much of his plebe he'd made me. I wasn't no fecking friend; I was just a pawn of sympathy in his sick little game of comic book chess.




Doc 'Twisted Mister' Absurd

Don't knock yourself too much Doc. There's plenty I could say about my speculations on why people get sucked in at all, but I'll let previous indirect observations stand. Momma Absurd can tell you some of the other traits of the personality type I referred to.

His "politely worded" emails were essentially demands that I give him special treatment and chastise everyone else.

As for my "politely worded" responses... heh. Well, yes. It is my practice when dealing with posters off the board by email, to be as polite and formal in discussing matters with them. I try to reiterate the guidelines by which I am working, that I try to apply them objectively, and that I do appreciate it when folks are willing to keep lines of communication open.

I tend to be very, very careful about what I say in such communications.

[Bright-Raven]

Matt:

I am not terribly worried. He strikes me as an impotent blowhard. Brave behind a keyboard. Dude is old, overweight, and has a heart condition and bad b.o. He is only a threat to olfactory senses.

Not that you should be worried, but the way I look at it, it's not about being a danger to you as it is to himself or innocent bystanders, and if he were to instigate a physical confrontation at a show and get injured, you know he'd be the first to try to file a suit against the convention hall and the organizers. I'd just as soon get him the hell out of our industry entirely and save everyone any further troubles, wouldn't you?

[Matt Doc Martin]

Matt:



Not that you should be worried, but the way I look at it, it's not about being a danger to you as it is to himself or innocent bystanders, and if he were to instigate a physical confrontation at a show and get injured, you know he'd be the first to try to file a suit against the convention hall and the organizers. I'd just as soon get him the hell out of our industry entirely and save everyone any further troubles, wouldn't you?

Good point.

I still think he is just all talk, but I wouldn't bet the safety of others on it. I would be willing to share the email exchanges I have in the interests of preventing him from ruining con experiences for people.

[Momma Absurd]

It strikes me as funny that he didn't get all defensive with me when I first pmed his Myspace telling him what I thought. He sure never mentioned an attorney till I mentiond mine, and then when he saw I wasn't playing games and (his Myspace was and is being checked into) thats when I was informed of a heart condition that he supposedly has. This is what I call disassociation of self in psychology terms. He backs up lies that he actually believes in his mind to be true with more lies to compound the problem, uses charm and easy mannerisms to manipulate those around him to get what he wants and when the need is taken care of, he rings the bells for round one, to stave off the person or persons he has become closely associated with in a obsessive compulsive manner by which the threats become more frequent and more violent to make sure that person stays away. It is like he is split in 4 equal divisions that slowly rotate to which personality he is at the time. Damn!

[Matt Doc Martin]

He has charm?

[DocAbsurd]

He has charm?

Pink hearts, yellow moons, blue stars, green clovers . . .




Doc 'Always After 'Em' Absurd

[Corrina]

There's also an extremely good checklist in the back of Gavin DeBecker's "The Gift of Fear" about whether an individual who's made threats will act on those threats.

I'm a bit concerned that this thread might instigate physical violence by Mr. Olney, especially when he's threatened it previously and to more than one person.

Obviously, the news of his failure to pay and his incorrect information needs to be out there to warn others away, so it's not criticism of anyone or anything. Just concern.

[Momma Absurd]

Good point.

I still think he is just all talk, but I wouldn't bet the safety of others on it. I would be willing to share the email exchanges I have in the interests of preventing him from ruining con experiences for people.


I agree that someone needs to make a compilation of all the emails, threats, pay offers not fulfilled, and any other item of interest that needs to be disclosed and they need to be sent to each and every creator that he could possibly try to contact. Just from the past history of violence in the world, one never knows when one might take it upon themselves to hurt a lot of people in a crowd, especially those that have made the person angry,or those they feel has betrayed them. And someone wanting the kind of attention that he seems to so desperately crave, is a serious threat in my opinion.

[Momma Absurd]

I agree with you 100% Corrina. Who can say for sure what idea his fevered mind might act upon?

[Corrina]

Well, that's the advantage of the checklist I mentioned. It's actually very good at keying in on signals that point to violent behavior. Because most people who threaten violence never carry it out but some do.

What concerns me is that Mr. Olney has been forced to confront reality and it doesn't jibe with his reality, which is probably not going to have very good results mentally for him. DeBecker uses the example of men who react badly to restraining orders because they've been told by a higher authority that they are WRONG and that forces them into anger--basically, it ups the ante of the fight/disagreement in their minds, forcing them to react to up the restraining order.

Mr. Olney's not acting rationally to our standards but he's certainly acting rationally according to his own logic. Whether that might conclude violence is necessary, I certainly am not qualified to say.

But I am worried. I likes YABS people. A lot. :)

[TCJohnson]

I am floored I had no earthly idea that this maniac had threatened to physically hurt people and defamed their characters like that. He is truly unbalanced and needs help in a serious way. Mind you, I don't feel sorry for him, my sympathy for him is nonexistent but the man needs serious help.....

I feel sorry for him, honestly. I am a bleeding heart and feel sorry for anybody who has obvious mental problems. Mental problems are not anybody's fault.

Not seeking help, not trying to better himself and for letting his problems cause so much (financial) harm to others is his fault so my sympathy only goes so far.

[Crowley]

It strikes me as funny that he didn't get all defensive with me when I first pmed his Myspace telling him what I thought. He sure never mentioned an attorney till I mentiond mine, and then when he saw I wasn't playing games and (his Myspace was and is being checked into) thats when I was informed of a heart condition that he supposedly has.

If you can... could you also have your attorney take a look at: http://www.comicspace.com/

all avenues that can be closed off from him defrauding people would be good.

[Scott Shaw!]

Wow, what a disaster.

First off, thanks for the glowing words, Gail. I truly appreciate your friendship. (But it's you who's done all the hard work amiga; I merely fired the starter pistol.)

Now back to our disaster-in-progress. (Sixty-plus pages? Aieee, Dr. Quest!)

I think I first became aware of Rick Olney in the late 1990s, when he was a high-profile poster on Comicon.com. He'd rant, boast, make wild statements, get into arguements, have meltdowns, repent and start the entire process over. He threatened people with lawsuits, threatened people physically, and would even create false identities to support his behavior. He became such a nuisance that Rick Veitch sent him to the Phantom Zone, so to speak.

Then he turned up at the Comics Journal boards, where he repeated the same pattern. But the moderators there took action much faster than before, and he wasn't able to escalate his bizarre behavior to its former level.

When he showed up here a few years ago, I pre-emptively warned the other moderators about his potential for creating chaos, but other than a tempest in a teacup in Gail's forum about his "Mighty Mini-Con", Rick seemed a bit easier to deal with. (Actually, as I recall, I chose not to get into things with him to save Gail the trouble he'd be sure to cause.) And if you don't believe Gail regarding what a mess the Mini-Con was, just ask Heidi MacDonald, who was also lured to that non-event.

I've never met Rick Olney in person, but I can assure you of one thing. Even though his underhanded business practices certainly deserve to be exposed to the community of funnybook professionals as widely as possible*...

...I guarantee you that he's absolutely LOVING all of this discourse about him, no matter how much it reveals about the man. Rick Olney seems to be a lot of crummy things, but first and foremost, he's desperate for attention of any kind. I'd love to see the guy pay for his stiffing creators, but aside from that, I think the best way to really frustrate Rick Olney is simply to IGNORE him as if he didn't exist.

And here I've just played into his hands. Shit.

Aloha,

Scott!

*If this sad story isn't perfect for THE COMICS JOURNAL's examination, I don't know what is. -- SS!

[Sarah Beach]

Scott, I think all this chatter about Himself is actually a flood of catharsis for many people. I think any of us who have crossed paths with him in any fashion (and mine, as a board moderator, certainly has to be the "mildest") were inclined to "not whine" and try and just put it behind us. To find out just how many people who have had similar unpleasant experiences is, strangely, a relief. People need to vent. And to make sure solid information about behavior is out there as a warning to others.

I expect it will settle down shortly, once all the steam is let out. :)

I'm hopin'.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Scott, I think all this chatter about Himself is actually a flood of catharsis for many people. I think any of us who have crossed paths with him in any fashion (and mine, as a board moderator, certainly has to be the "mildest") were inclined to "not whine" and try and just put it behind us. To find out just how many people who have had similar unpleasant experiences is, strangely, a relief. People need to vent. And to make sure solid information about behavior is out there as a warning to others.

I expect it will settle down shortly, once all the steam is let out. :)

I'm hopin'.


Of course, he will reappear at some point (like a proverbial bad penny) and it will start anew.

[Crowley]

I have a feeling that his lawyer probably wisely muzzled him... I won't be surprised if in the next few days his posts in this thread become blank.

[Matt Doc Martin]

I have a feeling that his lawyer probably wisely muzzled him... I won't be surprised if in the next few days his posts in this thread become blank.

Is there a good way to preserve them?

[Matt Doc Martin]

I just made some copies of a few of his posts concerning me.

[Crowley]

screenshots?

Ozbat might know... he's clever.

[EdContradictory]

Is there a good way to preserve them?

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[DocAbsurd]

Don't knock yourself too much Doc. There's plenty I could say about my speculations on why people get sucked in at all, but I'll let previous indirect observations stand. Momma Absurd can tell you some of the other traits of the personality type I referred to.

I always bow before my Momma's knowledge of psychology. But I was married to a female version of this for 10 years. What I keep smacking meself in the head over is that, after divorcing someone who acted exactly like this, I fell for it again. This time professionally rather than personally.

I'm so set on reaching my goals of being a cartoonist that I simply pushed what was right before my face aside and blindly followed this git like he was the second coming of small press.

He promised to pay me for toy reviews. He promised me space on his new site. He promised me funding for the ICC. He promised to publish my comic next year. We were even talking about him hosting a webstrip I'd like to do.

I hosted the only panel at his last show that actually had a crowd. He wanted me to do so again (whenever the next show actually got off the ground). He painted himself to be some poor victim of everyone else's mis-directed anger.

And I swallowed every damn piece of bait he threw at me.

He had to know how much I want to pursue my creative endeavors, and he used that to string me -- and others like me -- along his merry way.

Sunnuvabitch.




Doc 'On a Hook' Absurd

[TomStillwell]

Huh. Olney claimed the Star Wars: Episode One character Ric Olie is named after him.

Is there any truth to that or is it another fantasy of his ?

It's all true!

There's more though.

Rick, being a truly humble soul, has for many years not related the tale of the other Star Wars character he inspired.

Yep, you guess it...

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a309/Zapow21/Just%20Stuff/crumb1.jpg

[Matt Doc Martin]

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[Magneto_X]

It strikes me as funny that he didn't get all defensive with me when I first pmed his Myspace telling him what I thought. He sure never mentioned an attorney till I mentiond mine, and then when he saw I wasn't playing games and (his Myspace was and is being checked into) thats when I was informed of a heart condition that he supposedly has.

I think he's not going on defense to you because you sound like you could actually make his life a living hell with genuine lawsuits and, unlike Doc(*), you *will* sue if he steps out of line.

(*) this isn't a slight, Doc. It's just that he seems like a bully who only go after people if he's sure they won't "fight back"

[TCJohnson]

Done and done. Thank you!

Just one word of advice, print them into PDFs. PDFs can't be easily edited so he can't claim you are changing them later.

Again, PDF995 is a free program that will allow you to print things into a PDF file.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Just one word of advice, print them into PDFs. PDFs can't be easily edited so he can't claim you are changing them later.

Again, PDF995 is a free program that will allow you to print things into a PDF file.


Is that the adware supported one, or the other?

[TCJohnson]

...I guarantee you that he's absolutely LOVING all of this discourse about him, no matter how much it reveals about the man. Rick Olney seems to be a lot of crummy things, but first and foremost, he's desperate for attention of any kind. I'd love to see the guy pay for his stiffing creators, but aside from that, I think the best way to really frustrate Rick Olney is simply to IGNORE him as if he didn't exist.


Fine, I won't talk about him anymore.

Man, that Ric Olie was the worse pilot ever. You know he only got his job because his older sister was the Queen's therapist, right? When they were going from Coruscant to Naboo, he kept Anakin up all night telling him stories about what a great pilot he was.

The Star Wars fans call him Captain Obvious.

[TCJohnson]

Is that the adware supported one, or the other?

Hmmm...the version I got has no ads associated with it....and it is all legal and everything. I use it for work and I make sure I use NOTHING pirated for that what so ever.

PM me your e-mail.

[Bright-Raven]

Momma Absurd: I agree that someone needs to make a compilation of all the emails, threats, pay offers not fulfilled, and any other item of interest that needs to be disclosed and they need to be sent to each and every creator that he could possibly try to contact.

Too many potential contacts out there, Daphne. And more come online every day.

This information should be collected and presented, yes... but I'm not quite sure to whom just yet.

[Cam63]

It's all true!

There's more though.

Rick, being a truly humble soul, has for many years not related the tale of the other Star Wars character he inspired.

Yep, you guess it...

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a309/Zapow21/Just%20Stuff/crumb1.jpg

Heh !
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[Crowley]

Perhaps a fair Wiki entry on Olney and TLE with links to this thread and Sarah Beach's PDF will help?

[Sarah Beach]

Perhaps a fair Wiki entry on Olney and TLE with links to this thread and Sarah Beach's PDF will help?

Somehow, I don't know that whatever we construed to be "fair" would end up being allowed to stay on Wikipedia. At least not by Himself. And as the subject of it, he might be taken at face-value by the administrators (at least initially). Sad, but true.

However, I too have been concerned about the awareness matter, and made an effort to keep a select number of folks informed of the Dixonverse dealings. We just have to keep our eyes and ears open and be proactive when we learn of someone being sucked in.

Yeah, I know he's going to construe that as "being a troll", "stalking" and "bullying". Hey ho. In point of fact, it's a public service.
:rolleyes:

[Crowley]

Sarah,

by fair I meant something along the lines of:

Rick- Olney
1. Founder of ORCA and TLE

Controversies regarding payment of talent
Controversies regarding Online activity
Controversies regarding Ric Olie


Links

TLE
ORCA
YABS THREAD
Dixonverse
Mike Netzer article



as oposed to

Rick Olney-
sometimes "People SUCK!" LOLZ!

[Bright-Raven]

No Wikipedia entry. That doesn't resolve anything. All that is is more whistleblowing. Time to move to the next stage, which is taking action to bring this charade to an end and hopefully recouping some of the moneys owed to the aggrieved parties.

[Cam63]

I think this guy has more in common with Olney than the Star Wars dude.

http://www.markchurms.com/Merchant2/graphics/custer-l.jpg

" Trolls to the left of me ! Stalkers to the right ! Where the fuck is Reno !? "

[DangerDiabolik]

WOW

So I had to throw my hat into this mess...stew....sludge...whatever we want to call it.

I too have been/am being burned by Ric. I waited and hoped but its been about 4 months ( maybe more ) ...and at this point I realize I'm being screwed....

I was asked to flat 6 pages for a whopping grand total of 90 dollars.

Let me repeat that.....90 bucks.

The colorist made sure Ric was cool with it, and he was ( I have the e-mails ) ...and I have the e-mail where Ric guarantees me payment. No contracts, no NDA's nothing...So.....I flatted, invoiced Ric on 08.09.06, and waited....

And waited....

And waited....

And waited....

And waited....

THEN contact after months of nothing.....He FINALLY responds.... I have the e-mail from November 12th that says nobodies gonna' screw me out of money and that I'll be paid my measily 90 bucks before December....

And now.....its gonna be a whole new year.....and STILL....this guy cant/wont pay me ....my 90 bucks.

Its not even enough to buy an absolute edition....lol.

I havent said anything online because I was hoping I might get paid....but ....that sure dosent seem to be happening. I have no idea why this guy is being like this...but that I could vent here is AWESOME.

I felt the need to share, just so people understand that this guy isnt just screwing people out of serious money, money that will pay rent and bills....but hes also screwing someone like me out of 90 bucks....lol...So petty, and so sad.

So Ric if you read this...please pay me....I want that Absolute Kingdom Come....in fact we can call it even if you buy me one....you can get one on Amazon for 50 bucks used....I'll even take that !

Well that felt good :)

P.S. If anyone needs flats ( or anything else for that matter I'm available :) )

[Bright-Raven]

Okay...

Diabolik:

$15 a page for flatting is not unheard of. (6 pages for $90 = $15 a page.) You apparently went through a colorist? Did the colorist get paid by Mr. Olney (I know it sounds insane to ask, but the question must be posed)? I know a lot of colorists get their page rates and have to pay their flatters out of the page rate.

It's possible (unlikely in Mr. Olney's case) that your flatters fee was paid to the colorist. I've seen it happen before.

No, I'm not trying to deflect you from Mr. Olney's obvious disregard for conducting his business properly. Just mentioning this for your own future reference in dealing with other parties.

[OzBat!]

screenshots?

Ozbat might know... he's clever.I like heem, he's funny!Thread Tools > Show Printable Version

Then save the page.Just one word of advice, print them into PDFs. PDFs can't be easily edited so he can't claim you are changing them later.Yup. This is smart thinkin'. I've got pdfs of all the pages containing Olney posts in this thread, so even if he deleted them we've got a permanent record. TC's modification of Ed's idea, doing this with the printable versions instead of the normal web page, is a step beyond and the preferred option.

[Gail Simone]

WOW

So I had to throw my hat into this mess...stew....sludge...whatever we want to call it.

I too have been/am being burned by Ric. I waited and hoped but its been about 4 months ( maybe more ) ...and at this point I realize I'm being screwed....

I was asked to flat 6 pages for a whopping grand total of 90 dollars.

Let me repeat that.....90 bucks.

The colorist made sure Ric was cool with it, and he was ( I have the e-mails ) ...and I have the e-mail where Ric guarantees me payment. No contracts, no NDA's nothing...So.....I flatted, invoiced Ric on 08.09.06, and waited....

And waited....

And waited....

And waited....

And waited....

THEN contact after months of nothing.....He FINALLY responds.... I have the e-mail from November 12th that says nobodies gonna' screw me out of money and that I'll be paid my measily 90 bucks before December....

And now.....its gonna be a whole new year.....and STILL....this guy cant/wont pay me ....my 90 bucks.

Its not even enough to buy an absolute edition....lol.

I havent said anything online because I was hoping I might get paid....but ....that sure dosent seem to be happening. I have no idea why this guy is being like this...but that I could vent here is AWESOME.

I felt the need to share, just so people understand that this guy isnt just screwing people out of serious money, money that will pay rent and bills....but hes also screwing someone like me out of 90 bucks....lol...So petty, and so sad.

So Ric if you read this...please pay me....I want that Absolute Kingdom Come....in fact we can call it even if you buy me one....you can get one on Amazon for 50 bucks used....I'll even take that !

Well that felt good :)

P.S. If anyone needs flats ( or anything else for that matter I'm available :) )


I can't believe how many people still haven't come forward who have emailed. This is a bizarre situation...did he pay ANYONE?

Gail

[Hybrid2]

wonder what he do when he order a pizza.

*tock tock*

*door open

"Hello,it's be 20,.."*grap box close door*

HEY! you have to pay for that!

"no one live here at the momemt,this is a recorder message."

"now go away before i sue you for trespasing."

[the4thpip]

wonder what he do when he order a pizza.

*tock tock*

*door open

"Hello,it's be 20,.."*grap box close door*

HEY! you have to pay for that!

"no one live here at the momemt,this is a recorder message."

"now go away before i sue you for trespasing."

Served the owner of the pizza place right for not signing an NDA.

[websbestcomics]

Okay...

Diabolik:

$15 a page for flatting is not unheard of. (6 pages for $90 = $15 a page.) You apparently went through a colorist? Did the colorist get paid by Mr. Olney (I know it sounds insane to ask, but the question must be posed)? I know a lot of colorists get their page rates and have to pay their flatters out of the page rate.

It's possible (unlikely in Mr. Olney's case) that your flatters fee was paid to the colorist. I've seen it happen before.

No, I'm not trying to deflect you from Mr. Olney's obvious disregard for conducting his business properly. Just mentioning this for your own future reference in dealing with other parties.



I was the colorist, (and also inker). I didn't get paid for either work...

[Sarah Beach]

Diabolik & Websbest, WOW!

I am now starting to wonder if we can find anyone who has been paid for comic work for TightLip!! Or any work, since Ronee hasn't been paid.

Ronee has indicated that Himself does pay the lawyer. Heh.

Does anyone know of anyone who has gotten paid by Olney?

[DocAbsurd]

Lemme see:

There were 6 of us columnists when he tried expanding the MMC to have more current content. None of us have been paid.

There were a couple site-designers for the MMC, TLE, and the Spooky. None of them have been paid.

There's been many many contributors for Tales of the Spooky #1. None of them have been paid, as well as the newer contributors for #2 who've already submitted their work.

Ronee worked as PR for 7 months (I tried the PR thing for about 2 months and gave up). She hasn't been paid.

I know a few creators for his TLE books haven't seen payment.

And that's not taking into account the various vendors, guests, creators, etc, who paid in advance for the multiple conventions he's canceled over the past 2 years that haven't been reimbursed yet.

Rough-guesstimate? Around 3 dozen people have been stiffed.

I'd love to see one, just one creator come forward and say they've been paid by Rick for work completed. Besides his attorney.

Anyone? Anyone?




Doc 'Voo-Doo Something' Absurd

[Matt Doc Martin]

I will believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and a mentally stable Nancy Pelosi before I will believe in an Olney-paid creator.

[DangerDiabolik]

Okay...

Diabolik:

$15 a page for flatting is not unheard of. (6 pages for $90 = $15 a page.) You apparently went through a colorist? Did the colorist get paid by Mr. Olney (I know it sounds insane to ask, but the question must be posed)? I know a lot of colorists get their page rates and have to pay their flatters out of the page rate.

It's possible (unlikely in Mr. Olney's case) that your flatters fee was paid to the colorist. I've seen it happen before.

No, I'm not trying to deflect you from Mr. Olney's obvious disregard for conducting his business properly. Just mentioning this for your own future reference in dealing with other parties.

Its clear from the e-mails I have from Ric would be paying me directly. He even was kind even to add 10% for lateness, and was planning on upping my payment to a nice even 100 bucks. But of course...nothing. I'm starting to believe that NO ONE was paid anything.

If anyone was paid by this guy, I'd be interested in hearing so.

[AIPman1]

he likes to round OWES off to 100 bucks, easy to remember when deflecting...

[Gail Simone]

he likes to round OWES off to 100 bucks, easy to remember when deflecting...

What POSSIBLE defense is there for this sort of repeated lying and cheating, I wonder?

I mean, he was able to fling shit when it was a couple people speaking out (although, to be frank, Chuck Dixon and Val Staples are exactly the WRONGEST people to try to paint as unprofessional since no one in the industry would believe for a second that either had behaved in such a way). But NO one defending him and even close friends telling that he's screwed them...

...gross. It's just disgusting.

The weird thing is, I think he STILL could come forward and say, "I screwed up. I should have been honest. It was wrong to threaten people I'd betrayed." And then work out a payment plan. I think even he could recover from that and some people might even forgive him.

But how do you recover from ALL this cheating, ALL this lying, and on top of it, blaming all the victims and threatening them with lawsuits?

It's just sad.


Gail

[DocAbsurd]

Might as well round off to '$0' for all the good it's gonna do anyone.

He also likes adding dressing to what he already owes. Last year I was 'promised' he'd be bidding on a big Star Wars auction and that I'd get first pick out of what he got, just to make up for the lateness of the payments. Guess what?

After making the winning bid, he never paid the guy.




Doc 'Pattern Emerges' Absurd

[Gail Simone]

Might as well round off to '$0' for all the good it's gonna do anyone.

He also likes adding dressing to what he already owes. Last year I was 'promised' he'd be bidding on a big Star Wars auction and that I'd get first pick out of what he got, just to make up for the lateness of the payments. Guess what?

After making the winning bid, he never paid the guy.




Doc 'Pattern Emerges' Absurd

Yeah, he did that with me several times...promised that he'd arranged credit with the local heroclix dealer for the inconvenience of not paying my airfare when promised (the dealer didn't have a clue when I asked about it) and that he'd pay additional money for expenses...

I think it's just a way to stall for time.


Gail

[DocAbsurd]

I'm formulating a bit of an idea here, something to help everyone who's been screwed by Rick over the years.

I'm not gonna give too many details yet, simply because I've got a lotta details to work out. But what if the ICC's first official project were to be some sort of fund-raiser?

We could gather a bunch of contributors together to make a one-sheet calendar and accompanying anthology, and proceeds would go to benefit those hurt by 'Hurricane Rick' (not including myself; it's a write-off, far as I'm concerned).

I'd have to find a publisher/printer, get together the talent, design the calendar . . . like I said, a lotta details.

I'd need some sort of list of who's been affected for a start.




Doc 'Red Cross' Absurd

[orcafresh]

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[orcafresh]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/orcafresh/TLE/RickOlneyMHMiC.jpg

[Michael P]

This reminds me of an old Klingon fable:

Long ago, a storm was heading toward the city of Quin'lat. The people sought protection within the walls, all except one man who remained outside. I went to him and asked what he was doing. "I am not afraid," he said. "I will not hide my face behind stone and mortar. I will stand before the wind and make it respect me." I honored his choice and went inside. The next day, the storm came, and the man was killed. The wind does not respect a fool.

Rick, if you're having trouble parsing that, here's a hint: You're not the wind.

[orcafresh]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/orcafresh/TLE/RickOlneyMHMiC.jpg

[JeffreyWKramer]

Whatta maroon.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Rick I just gotta ask if you've been reading this. But how can you honestly look and not feel that some people need their money. Wouldn't costly legal action cost more than not paying some of these creators ?

Because the post you quoted is a huge black mark. Do you honestly think these creators won't tell others not to do business with you ? Because there are many who will spread the word to others they work with.

[Gail Simone]

"Gail" contrary to your faulty memory, Mr. Kininger states that you rode with him to Syracuse. He also had something to say about your remark regarding the smells you claim to have encountered while in his car. He may be contacting you in private. Although I doubt that you're a big enough person to retract your remarks in public without some legal inspiration.
But don't worry, we'll get to all that once this old year is replaced by the New Year. "

Once again, you can't actually seem to READ ENGLISH.

Yes, Dennis picked us up. But you gave us the ride from the con location itself. Do you not remember that? Or is your memory only faulty when it comes to paying people you owe?

Trust me, we all remember very well who stank.


And as I've said many, many times, I will happily forward (which is unfakeable) any yahoo letter I've posted here to anyone who would like to see them. You're screwed there, pal. I have saved thousands and thousands of emails, including all of yours. Sorry. You're completely screwed on this count. And that's not all, LOTS of other people have been sending me the crazy shit you've sent them. It's very, very ugly, Rick, as you well know.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Yeah, you might want to get that in writing, notarized, "Gail" ... otherwise its simple heresay and isn't going to hold up in a civil action for your defense. :rolleyes:

Nope, I have proof for both. I'm not like you, Rick. I remember what's said, AND I save the proof.

Emails from YOUR address, dated in order on a yahoo account among thousands of other emails, ARE proof, unlike the crazy shit you pull out of your behind, where you have no proof whatsoever.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

"As far as your remarks about me personally... if that was your best shot, fine. Again, I hope you have not allowed your mouth to write a check your ass can't cover. Opinion is one thing, written defamatory comment is another."

Well, let's hear it, then.

DID you promise to reimburse me before I left home?

Did you do so?

DID you promise to pay me at the con?

Did you do so?

DID you promise the check would 'beat me home?'

Did it?

Did you not in fact pay me partial payment months later, promising further recompense for expenses that you never, ever sent?

Did YOU not come up with the 100 dollar amount, not me, as you claimed earlier?

Where's the lie, Rick? Find one lie. My story has been remarkably consistent. You've had to adjust yours repeatedly.


And I can guarantee and verify every email I've posted here. I have not added or altered a single word. How do you explain that I have every email you sent and each one is unaltered, an INCREDIBLY simple thing for me to prove? Hell, I'll happily send a few I've posted here to Dennis for him to verify, even.

You're screwed, Rick. Everyone sees you now.


Gail

[THEDOC]

Tim,
I hearily encourage you to do whatever you like with the "ICC" ... as it might not be as free and clear of 'Hurricane Rick' according to what I was told Friday morning. But go ahead and work hard at it. I suspect you've earned what comes to you deservingly from here on out.

Happy New Year. ;)
Oh "Rick" now what has Perry M told you. It's Tim's logo and name just let the guy do what he wants, haven't you made him suffer enough?

[DangerDiabolik]

Greats shades of Frederic Wertham!
Now, as far as "DangerDiabolik" ... I was told by the creative director that "Mr. WebsBest", who also is now a party to a forthcoming legal action, that there was NEVER any agreement for my company to pay the flatters fees. So that will have to be singled out and determined legally.


Ric...Your flat out lying. I have your e-mails. Every single one of them. If you want I can post them here, since your actually responding to questions.

I also have that last e-mail, where you said you were sorry but that I'd be paid by the end of December....( its gonna be 07 in a few hours so you still have time )

[Gail Simone]

Oh, and don't try the receipt excuse. You never asked for any for the 100, which was supposed to cover the remainder of my plane ticket, which you already had, and for the dinner you couldn't buy because your credit card was rejected at the hotel.

And I have proof of all of that, too.

Sad little man.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Ric...Your flat out lying. I have your e-mails. Every single one of them. If you want I can post them here, since your actually responding to questions.

I also have that last e-mail, where you said you were sorry but that I'd be paid by the end of December....( its gonna be 07 in a few hours so you still have time )

Dude, post them. He just called you a liar, and I'm sick of seeing him get away with that.

If no one else has ever been paid, it's hard to imagine that he'll ever pay you, in any case, right?

Gail

[Matt Doc Martin]

Greats shades of Frederic Wertham!

Mr. Crowley, I have never been outgunned.
"Gail" has actually done me a service by posting those fake emails she obviously trumped up. The action with involve whomever has implicated themself.


*sprays "Dick" with water bottle*

NO! Bad Dick!

You leave the english language alone.

Loser.

[Gail Simone]

Anyone have Dennis' email handy? I can happily forward him any of the emails directly from my yahoo account with the date stamped right on 'em.

Gail

[DocAbsurd]

Tim,
I hearily encourage you to do whatever you like with the "ICC" ... as it might not be as free and clear of 'Hurricane Rick' according to what I was told Friday morning. But go ahead and work hard at it. I suspect you've earned what comes to you deservingly from here on out.

Happy New Year. ;)

There's numerous posts on here stating clearly I have the control of the ICC. Posts from you. Guess what? That's pretty much legally binding, a step-up from a word and a handshake. Wanna contest it? Go for it. Our attorney loves travel.

Or are you referring to my gesture of offering to make amends to those you've fecked over? Do you also have the not-for-profit angle locked up in an NDA?

I'd be choking on my own bile if I saw someone -- someone I owe money -- wanting to get together a benefit to try some sort of reimbursement for others I owe money. And those others are climbing by the day.

Stop speaking your slaughter-house version of Pig-Latin legalese and say what you mean. These veiled threats are getting tiresome.




Doc 'Up-ay Ours-yay' Absurd

[Gail Simone]

*sprays "Dick" with water bottle*

NO! Bad Dick!

You leave the english language alone.

Loser.

I'm pretty sure he's typing with his forehead, to be fair.

Gail

[Matt Doc Martin]

I'm pretty sure he's typing with his forehead, to be fair.

Gail

Well, he just about drives me to the point I want to smack my head against the keyboard.

[EdContradictory]

Thank you, all! Hope you all have a nice toime this evening! Keep me in your thoughts! :rolleyes:
Aw man, Holiday Toime is almost over. The most wonderful toime of the year...

[Gail Simone]

Well, he just about drives me to the point I want to smack my head against the keyboard.

That's his one true gift.

It sure as hell isn't writing or business or honesty.

Gail

[EdContradictory]

While loosely reading through this thread -- I discovered that manyt of you have indeed done Frederic Wertham proud, as you've given proff to his remarks and theory on "Superman's Complex" as he attacked Superman in particular, describing what he called "the Superman complex" in which comics offered children "fantasies of sadistic joy in seeing other people punished over and over again while you yourself remain immune." lol The children have grown up!


Remember back when I mentioned that Olney would tie in bizarre things that had nothing to with what was going on, like when he linked Gail to communism or something on his blog?

Yeah, this is more of that.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Remember back when I mentioned that Olney would tie in bizarre things that had nothing to with what was going on, like when he linked Gail to communism or something on his blog?

Yeah, this is more of that.

Well, asking to be paid is kind of like capitalism...

"Dick" is making my head hurt.

[DangerDiabolik]

Dude, post them. He just called you a liar, and I'm sick of seeing him get away with that.

If no one else has ever been paid, it's hard to imagine that he'll ever pay you, in any case, right?

Gail

Done and Done.

On 8/5/06 I was forwarded this when I was given the ok to flat the 6 pages.


> Yes, I can guarantee Matthew Petz' rate and payment upon completion of
> the assignment. He'll just need to invoice to:
> *********************@gmail.com
>
> Thank you.


...anyway.....I did the work and invoiced....Flash foward to 11/15/06

On 11/15/06 12:13 AM, "Rick Olney" wrote:

Hi Matthew,
No, we're all good. I'm getting your payment together and out to you.
I (again) just needed your statement regarding that you didn't get NDAed or contracted. Thanks.

I dont have/didnt have an NDA at all. Then we have the final response from Ric to me....Its from 11/15/06 response on mine asking about payment and whether paypal would be easier....

No problem, Matt. It'll no doubt be in check form, so you know. Thanks.

I think I'm just gonan make a nice PDF of the whole silly thing....Now Just so we all know...its for a measily 90 bucks....that was rounded to 100 after being 4 months late.....90 bucks !!!!!!! lol

I suppose im over it ....in the long run, I'm out 100 bucks. Its dosent really affect me too much....yeah, Im a poor freelancer and 100 bucks would help....but you move on. Done and Done....

I'd like to add that this unpleasant experience is defintly not the norm. Most ( if not all ) of my work experiences have been fruitful and positive.

[EdContradictory]

Nope, I have proof for both. I'm not like you, Rick. I remember what's said, AND I save the proof.

Emails from YOUR address, dated in order on a yahoo account among thousands of other emails, ARE proof, unlike the crazy shit you pull out of your behind, where you have no proof whatsoever.

Gail

Yeah, Rick, all she needs to do is turn her computer over to a computer forensic expert who can 100% verify that everything is real and untampered with.

You can prove that electronic communication is legit.

And it does hold up in court.

You're immensely screwed.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Yeah, Rick, all she needs to do is turn her computer over to a computer forensic expert who can 100% verify that everything is real and untampered with.

You can prove that electronic communication is legit.

And it does hold up in court.

You're immensely screwed.


Considering he admits to most of it? And he has posted it on his own blog?Yeah...

[Momma Absurd]

I feel sorry for him, honestly. I am a bleeding heart and feel sorry for anybody who has obvious mental problems. Mental problems are not anybody's fault.

Not seeking help, not trying to better himself and for letting his problems cause so much (financial) harm to others is his fault so my sympathy only goes so far.

Well what seems as an obvious mental problem may not be, he might just be a someone that has raging control problems.

[websbestcomics]

Greats shades of Frederic Wertham!





Now, as far as "DangerDiabolik" ... I was told by the creative director that "Mr. WebsBest", who also is now a party to a forthcoming legal action, that there was NEVER any agreement for my company to pay the flatters fees. So that will have to be singled out and determined legally.

Thank you, all! Hope you all have a nice toime this evening! Keep me in your thoughts! :rolleyes:

Rick's email to me:

Hi Scott,
Yes, I can guarantee Matthew Petz' rate and payment upon completion of
the assignment. He'll just need to invoice to:
tightlip.entertainment@gmail.com


You wrote this, Rick. Your email confirming the flatters rates and payment for services.

[EdContradictory]

Considering he admits to most of it? And he has posted it on his own blog?Yeah...

The best part is that if he deletes stuff... yeah someone trained in computer forensics can recover all of that.

Even if he tries to hide and delete stuff off MySpace.

It's all saved somewhere.

[DangerDiabolik]

Whats awesome is me and Scott literally just posted the exact same thing at the exact same thing. Gotta love independent verification lol