Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[Tages]

Jeffrey mentioned it. Apparently the threads are long gone, probably from the wipe.

Probably.

I remember telling him, in slightly less banworthy language, to get fucked and that was the last I spoke to him.

Reading through this thread I have come to realize how fortunate that decision was.

[Alan Lynch]

Sweet Jesus, man. Think of the children!
Screw the kids; some of us are reading this thing at work man. If I'm going to catch shit for using the internet, at least let it be for images less embarrassing that that.

[AIPman1]

Got a box of neat stuff almost packed to go to Doc & his kids, to ungrinch their Olneyed holidays, too; model rockets, dolls and the like.
What makes you think Doc's KIDS will ever get to play with those toys!!!

[Gail Simone]

Just went over to UNSCREWED, and was looking at the fine work over there and ran across this post. I must have missed it when I got up to go to the can at some point that long evening. Forgive me, the rest of you here, for dragging up a post from that long ago, but some things should be addressed.

Excuse me, mister alleged-Wiccan, but you seemed to have my mailing address long after that fact when you sent me a fricking CHRISTMAS CARD, asking me how the progress was coming on your Spider-Man quilt.

Not to mention that you asked for everyone's address during that long ago SPA chat. Anyone get theirs? Anyone?

No, Rick, that was NOT my big problem with you. Hell, I don't even drink coffee, so who cares if I really ever got a coffee mug? It was your empty promises inviting me as YOUR guest to the now infamous 2004 MMC in June that year. You know, the one where you were going to make sure I got the same treatment as the VIP guests? In retrospect, looks like I did, since it never happened.

Then, promises for the fall show, which collided with another event I attended back then (thank goodness). So, you put me on for the 2005 MMC, same promises, and then I get the email saying at the very last minute that you were pulling out of that show. Empty promises, Rick. All you ever did for me.


Nothing is ever Rick's fault. Nothing, ever. Not only does he cheat everyone he meets, he blames them for it with the dumbest and least honorable rational imaginable.

He doesn't have any magnimositinicissity.

Anyway, yeah, the cup thing sounds like classic Olney, make a promise with no plan to follow through, then act all wounded when people say, "Hey, what about that thing you promised?"

Gail

[Gail Simone]

If I would've known Olney was Orcafresh I would have jumped into this thread a lot sooner. Not sure if it's been added to Ye Olde List of Douchebaggery, but he said some infuriating things about Native Americans on Comm some years back.

Okay, now I keep hearing ABOUT these, but not what the actual comments were, paraphrased or not.

Can you remember what he said, in essence?

Gail

[JeffreyWKramer]

Okay, now I keep hearing ABOUT these, but not what the actual comments were, paraphrased or not.

Can you remember what he said, in essence?

Gail

I paraphrased them a ways back, but it's easy to miss stuff in this size a thread. I'd sure like Tages to state what he remembers too, though.

Among other things, Olney denied that any of the US government treatment of the Indians has ever amounted to genocide or anything similar, or even been particularly wrong or unjust - it was the fault of the Indians that they wouldn't do what the government/Army wanted them to do, they brought it on themselves, the US can do no wrong, etc. He also apparently thinks any concern for the modern plight of the Indians is misguided, as they're mostly just a bunch of lazy bastards that want to laze around the reservation and collect welfare.

He's also defended the internment of Japanese-Americans in WW II and made claims about there being numerous spies among that group, disputing the historical fact that no Japanese-American was ever convicted of WW II-era spying.

I don't specifically recall his statements on Comm, though, but I do recall him making statements of the sort described above on one of the Marvel boards (probably Marvel U) and here on YABS in the past. I remember the former because one of the mods commented on the discussion getting off topic, and I specifically remember his comments on a thread on this board because when he made them, I confronted him for repeating the same lies that had been discredited in other, earlier threads. That was the last time I recall noticing any specific posts from him until this thread started up, and that was apparently a couple years ago, before the last complete board reboot.

[AIPman1]

Nothing is ever Rick's fault. Nothing, ever. Not only does he cheat everyone he meets, he blames them for it with the dumbest and least honorable rational imaginable.

He doesn't have any magnimositinicissity.

Anyway, yeah, the cup thing sounds like classic Olney, make a promise with no plan to follow through, then act all wounded when people say, "Hey, what about that thing you promised?"

Gail
For the record, NO ONE I KNOW got a mug. I had to fend off people asking why they didn't get promised sponsor items for months...and it lead to our discontinuing the "sponsored" chats.

The idea was originally: A publisher with a new book could Sponsor a chat, everyone that came to the chat would get a free copy of it, which would generate positive word of mouth as those people went about enjoying the book and telling friends, etc.

I'd love to return to that...but last year was tough due to my foot surgery and the website crash/redesign. We'll have to see how it goes, if we can keep the level of participation up, maybe publishers would be willing to commit to the idea again.

We also had an issue with people logging into chats for like 30 seconds and then expecting free stuff...stuff we'd want to address...but the THEORY is sound...

[Gail Simone]

I paraphrased them a ways back, but it's easy to miss stuff in this size a thread. I'd sure like Tages to state what he remembers too, though.

Among other things, Olney denied that any of the US government treatment of the Indians has ever amounted to genocide or anything similar, or even been particularly wrong or unjust - it was the fault of the Indians that they wouldn't do what the government/Army wanted them to do, they brought it on themselves, the US can do no wrong, etc. He also apparently thinks any concern for the modern plight of the Indians is misguided, as they're mostly just a bunch of lazy bastards that want to laze around the reservation and collect welfare.

He's also defended the internment of Japanese-Americans in WW II and made claims about there being numerous spies among that group, disputing the historical fact that no Japanese-American was ever convicted of WW II-era spying.

I don't specifically recall his statements on Comm, though, but I do recall him making statements of the sort described above on one of the Marvel boards (probably Marvel U) and here on YABS in the past. I remember the former because one of the mods commented on the discussion getting off topic, and I specifically remember his comments on a thread on this board because when he made them, I confronted him for repeating the same lies that had been discredited in other, earlier threads. That was the last time I recall noticing any specific posts from him until this thread started up, and that was apparently a couple years ago, before the last complete board reboot.

Well, it sounds like his knowledge of history is as good as his knowledge of ethics.

Gail

[JeffreyWKramer]

Well, it sounds like his knowledge of history is as good as his knowledge of ethics.


Pretty much. And like I said earlier, given his willingness to distort or ignore fact in attempt to defend pretty much the most uindefensible government actions in US history, I wasn't the least bit surprised to hear he's a dishonest douchebag in his business dealings. It was no more surprising than hearing that Anne Coulter or Dubya uttered some new bit of stupidity.

[Danny Donovan]

For the record, NO ONE I KNOW got a mug. I had to fend off people asking why they didn't get promised sponsor items for months...and it lead to our discontinuing the "sponsored" chats.

The idea was originally: A publisher with a new book could Sponsor a chat, everyone that came to the chat would get a free copy of it, which would generate positive word of mouth as those people went about enjoying the book and telling friends, etc.

I'd love to return to that...but last year was tough due to my foot surgery and the website crash/redesign. We'll have to see how it goes, if we can keep the level of participation up, maybe publishers would be willing to commit to the idea again.

We also had an issue with people logging into chats for like 30 seconds and then expecting free stuff...stuff we'd want to address...but the THEORY is sound...

I never got my mug either the dirty bastard! :-p It was supposed to be a birthday gift. *sob* Will I ever learn to love again? *sob* How will I live without a mug with that creepy tounge thing staring at me?

[AIPman1]

I never got my mug either the dirty bastard! :-p It was supposed to be a birthday gift. *sob* Will I ever learn to love again? *sob* How will I live without a mug with that creepy tounge thing staring at me?

Well, to be fair, this was BEFORE the creation of the creepy tounge thing...it probably would have had the weird blue dude with the muscles from the MMC site...

he's mighty

he's mini

he's a con

[EdContradictory]

Among other things, Olney denied that any of the US government treatment of the Indians has ever amounted to genocide or anything similar,
I've encountered this opinion a lot online among a certain kind of conservative.

[Danny Donovan]

Well, to be fair, this was BEFORE the creation of the creepy tounge thing...it probably would have had the weird blue dude with the muscles from the MMC site...

he's mighty

he's mini

he's a con

Well he's at least one outta three..

I've encountered this opinion a lot online among a certain kind of conservative.

Usually the same ignorant types that say the Holocaust never happened. "It was just a really big misunderstanding, honestly. See, there was this German get-together and..... LIBERAL MEDIA TOTALLY MISREPRESENTS DER FURER.. uh, the truth?

The native american stuff I've heard, offends me, coming from a Cherokee line... I know what my family went through in that period. And I think Rick seems to forget that was a time when THERE WAS NO AMERICA. It was like 200 English people on a camping trip at that point.

While the native suffering DID go on well past when we established a country, it started long before there was one.

I'm surprised he never tried to offer his "magnimonious" (love that word) comic book offer to http://www.bluecorncomics.com i'm sure Rob and them down there would be REALLY interested to hear his views on Native Americans.

[TCJohnson]

Excuse me, mister alleged-Wiccan, but you seemed to have my mailing address long after that fact when you sent me a fricking CHRISTMAS CARD, asking me how the progress was coming on your Spider-Man quilt.


Something stupid, but when I was wiccan I sent out christmas cards. For one thing, the people I sent the cards to celebrated christmas so it seemed appropriate. Second, there is no Merry Winter Solstice cards at Hallmark. :)

Rest of the stuff I won't defend, though.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I've encountered this opinion a lot online among a certain kind of conservative.

Poor-contact-with-reality racist douchebag?

[AaronJ]

How far did the hotdog go across the room ?

Too far. And I will expect payment of exactly $0.22USD anyday now.

He also apparently thinks any concern for the modern plight of the Indians is misguided, as they're mostly just a bunch of lazy bastards that want to laze around the reservation and collect welfare.

He's also defended the internment of Japanese-Americans in WW II and made claims about there being numerous spies among that group, disputing the historical fact that no Japanese-American was ever convicted of WW II-era spying.

Lovely. He's Michelle Malkin, but fatter?

It's nice to know that he is a racist on top of his other glorious qualities. It all fits. It really does. The total lack of concern for others' well-being and the paranoia all make sense.

Ugh.

[MacQuarrie]

Well, it sounds like his knowledge of history is as good as his knowledge of ethics.
Consider his habit of always blaming others for whatever failures he's inflicted on himself. Now consider that the area he's lived in his whole life has a substantial Native American poulation, with Syracuse being the home of the Onondaga Nation. Begins to make sense, yes?

Can't you hear him muttering about them every time he screwed himself out of some opportunity?

[MacQuarrie]

Poor-contact-with-reality racist douchebag?

More like "don't make me think for myself, just point me to the nearest scapegoat" racist douchebag.

Edited to add: It is possible, and indeed quite common, to be politically conservative and also ashamed of the treatment of Native Americans, slavery, systemic racism, sexism, and other such ills. These things really aren't on a checklist that we have to sign an oath of fealty to. A lot of people just volunteer to do that, because thinking hurts.

[Danny Donovan]

Consider his habit of always blaming others for whatever failures he's inflicted on himself. Now consider that the area he's lived in his whole life has a substantial Native American poulation, with Syracuse being the home of the Onondaga Nation. Begins to make sense, yes?

Can't you hear him muttering about them every time he screwed himself out of some opportunity?

DAMN INDIANS!

Everyone knows there's an indian conspiracy that keeps me out of comics. They blame the white man, so they decided they'd pick the paragon of the white race Rick Olney to make an example of!

damn them and their running through the forrest naked, painting with all the colors of the wind... I'll make them pay!!!!!!

[Kozemp]

Consider his habit of always blaming others for whatever failures he's inflicted on himself. Now consider that the area he's lived in his whole life has a substantial Native American poulation, with Syracuse being the home of the Onondaga Nation. Begins to make sense, yes?

Can't you hear him muttering about them every time he screwed himself out of some opportunity?

Good to see you've hacked yourself around the firewall you asked for at work, Mac.

JLK
haxx0r supreme

[NatGertler]

INVENTING OFFENSES???

I am sorry who is doing that?It has happened repeatedly in this thread, Ronée, whether its been piling on his supposed claim about his military grade which was stated from the very beginning as someone's imprecise memory of the event, or his note to Blake making it clear that he is accepting Blake taking his series elsewhere -- a note that looked much like it would look from any publisher. And these invented offenses seem so minor compared to the more substantial concerns at hand, but they can make a big difference in how reasonable one side of the discussion can appear.
In terms of discussion, its much like what would happen when someone who is claiming that George Bush purposely ignored information that there were no WMDs goes on to claim that Bush also has a magic martian hidden under his bed whose poop could power all of America's energy needs and thus put the oil companies out of business. Suddenly, one is not likely to put as much credence into the earlier claims, and write them off as being unreasonable. It would be a shame if the same effect made people treat the substantial claims against Olney less seriously.

[Danny Donovan]

In terms of discussion, its much like what would happen when someone who is claiming that George Bush purposely ignored information that there were no WMDs goes on to claim that Bush also has a magic martian hidden under his bed whose poop could power all of America's energy needs and thus put the oil companies out of business.


WHO TOLD YOU ABOUT OPPERATION "DEUCE BIGALOW"?

There are agents speeding your way as I type.

[EdContradictory]

It has happened repeatedly in this thread, Ronée, whether its been piling on his supposed claim about his military grade which was stated from the very beginning as someone's imprecise memory of the event, or his note to Blake making it clear that he is accepting Blake taking his series elsewhere -- a note that looked much like it would look from any publisher. And these invented offenses seem so minor compared to the more substantial concerns at hand, but they can make a big difference in how reasonable one side of the discussion can appear.
When the boy cried wolf the town no longer believed him.

When the man cheats and steals the forum doubts everything he says.

I don't think anyone's brought up a question about Olney's comments or purported past that was all that unreasonable.

I do question his supposed military service and his comments to Blake "freeing him" can easily be mis-read given his past comments. He hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt here or anywhere.

Certainly nothing was said in this thread on the level of your "magic martian" comparison.

[TomStillwell]

It has happened repeatedly in this thread, Ronée, whether its been piling on his supposed claim about his military grade which was stated from the very beginning as someone's imprecise memory of the event, or his note to Blake making it clear that he is accepting Blake taking his series elsewhere -- a note that looked much like it would look from any publisher. And these invented offenses seem so minor compared to the more substantial concerns at hand, but they can make a big difference in how reasonable one side of the discussion can appear.
In terms of discussion, its much like what would happen when someone who is claiming that George Bush purposely ignored information that there were no WMDs goes on to claim that Bush also has a magic martian hidden under his bed whose poop could power all of America's energy needs and thus put the oil companies out of business. Suddenly, one is not likely to put as much credence into the earlier claims, and write them off as being unreasonable. It would be a shame if the same effect made people treat the substantial claims against Olney less seriously.

I'm sorry, I just don't see it.

That's not "invented offenses", it's trying to peel back the layers of a known fraud in order to help people. If his military service is a lie then he's used it to bilk people. The same goes for claiming OCRA a non-profit and falsely joining it with actual charities that never received donations from Olney.

Sure, some of this stuff could be a wild goose chase. Better to have chased the goose and found nothing than to ignore a possible wrongdoing that could be righted.

As for Olney's release of Blake's property, you also have to consider that prior to that last letter, Olney pretty much told Blake he was going ahead with production whether he liked it or not. Given the history, is it wrong to doubt the intentions of anything Olney says? How many times has he said one thing on one day only to contradict it the next?

[Gail Simone]

More like "don't make me think for myself, just point me to the nearest scapegoat" racist douchebag.

Edited to add: It is possible, and indeed quite common, to be politically conservative and also ashamed of the treatment of Native Americans, slavery, systemic racism, sexism, and other such ills. These things really aren't on a checklist that we have to sign an oath of fealty to. A lot of people just volunteer to do that, because thinking hurts.

We know that, Mac, or at least we SHOULD. I know plenty of honorable conservatives.

It just seems that the loudest ones are the most bigoted, but I find myself flinching at a lot of idiot liberals, as well.

Gail

[howyadoin]

How far did the hotdog go across the room ?Hopefully it banked off the wall and went into the corner pocket.

Screw the kids...Ewww, no thanks.

damn them and their running through the forrest naked, painting with all the colors of the wind...That sounds like fun. Might have to try that when the weather warms up.

[Kurt Busiek]

After reading Mr. Busiek's comments regarding the sincerity and factual nature of Olney's release letter, I felt kinda bad about my pleasure in my agreement with the sentiment that it was written as if a message from a wealthy plantation owner to his last slave. Initially, I *gasped* at the level of arrogance and the delusion of granduer that, I admit, I inferred. Kurt's post made me feel like the short sidekick in A Christmas Story, cheering his befreckled idol on, as the bigger kid whomps away.

Then, I read Matt's post of Rick's MySpace message. Please, someone, make a worthwhile argument that supports the possibility of it not being a so, so thinly veiled threat.

Why would anyone need to? It's a different message.

It's a different message. My point was not that Olney had miraculously altered his ways, but that deliberately misreading or manufacturing stuff to criticize him over seems -- at least to me -- untoward. And unnecessary, since there's so much valid stuff to knock him for.

That is not a matter of me saying people can't say what they want. It's me participating in the "saying what you want" thing.

kdb

[MacQuarrie]

Good to see you've hacked yourself around the firewall you asked for at work, Mac.

JLK
haxx0r supreme
Not at work yet. Leaving now.

[Kurt Busiek]

INVENTING OFFENSES???

I am sorry who is doing that?

Well, when you say...

"although he DID write Blake that he was 'releasing' Evertime back to him... as if he was being charitable or some shit, he just knew he had nothing to stand on. Fucktard."

...and it turns out that he didn't, but everybody has fun mocking him for something you "quoted" that turns out not to have been said, that's inventing an offense.

There is no NEED to make up anything about the man, for he has done ten times worse to others!!

That's actually the point Nat and I are making, Ronee. Why make shit up? The facts are more than enough.

kdb

[AIPman1]

It has happened repeatedly in this thread, Ronée, whether its been piling on his supposed claim about his military grade which was stated from the very beginning as someone's imprecise memory of the event, or his note to Blake making it clear that he is accepting Blake taking his series elsewhere -- a note that looked much like it would look from any publisher. And these invented offenses seem so minor compared to the more substantial concerns at hand, but they can make a big difference in how reasonable one side of the discussion can appear.
In terms of discussion, its much like what would happen when someone who is claiming that George Bush purposely ignored information that there were no WMDs goes on to claim that Bush also has a magic martian hidden under his bed whose poop could power all of America's energy needs and thus put the oil companies out of business. Suddenly, one is not likely to put as much credence into the earlier claims, and write them off as being unreasonable. It would be a shame if the same effect made people treat the substantial claims against Olney less seriously.

????????

someone looking to argue can always make something out of nothing.

[Kurt Busiek]

someone looking to argue can always make something out of nothing.

And that's called an ad hominem attack.

Doesn't matter what he actually said and whether it's valid or not, just dismiss him as "someone looking to argue," and you can disregard it.

Because Nat's clearly just here to make trouble -- after all, his posts on the thread have all been --

No, actually, they've generally been helpful, logical and sensible.

So clearly, he's just "someone looking to argue."

kdb

[Danny Donovan]

????????

someone looking to argue can always make something out of nothing.

CAN NOT!!!!!!!

[Typo Lad]

CAN NOT!!!!!!!
That's not an argument. That's just contridiction.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Edited to add: It is possible, and indeed quite common, to be politically conservative and also ashamed of the treatment of Native Americans, slavery, systemic racism, sexism, and other such ills. These things really aren't on a checklist that we have to sign an oath of fealty to. A lot of people just volunteer to do that, because thinking hurts.

Yup yup. Many of the most politically conservative people I know think the historical treatment of the Indians and other minorities in this country is, by and large, one huge litany of injustice and outright evil. Intelligent conservatives don't go with "whatever my country does/did is right", and in fact I'd argue that American conservatism - as opposed to blind nationalism, which is never a good thing - involves a healthy mistrust of authority and recognizing and working to change the mistakes of the past.

[AIPman1]

And that's called an ad hominem attack.

Doesn't matter what he actually said and whether it's valid or not, just dismiss him as "someone looking to argue," and you can disregard it.

Because Nat's clearly just here to make trouble -- after all, his posts on the thread have all been --

No, actually, they've generally been helpful, logical and sensible.

So clearly, he's just "someone looking to argue."

kdb

I actually meant that for BOTH sides of the arguement. Some people have jumped the gun on accusations before facts, some have called people here bullies for wanting to expose the truth.

We can all argue that till we're blue in the face, but what really matters is the facts.

I haven't seen ANYONE here, when confronted with facts, who has been unwilling to accept them as facts...

well, except the subject in question.

[AIPman1]

CAN NOT!!!!!!!

can too!!!

[AIPman1]

That's not an argument. That's just contridiction.

I know you are but what am I?

[Typo Lad]

I know you are but what am I?
Now this is futile. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl9zYS3_dc)

[Kurt Busiek]

I actually meant that for BOTH sides of the arguement. Some people have jumped the gun on accusations before facts, some have called people here bullies for wanting to expose the truth.

My point in response: Whoever you meant it for, you posted it in response to someone on neither of those sides, with a bunch of big question marks that suggested it was aimed at him.

We can all argue that till we're blue in the face, but what really matters is the facts.

Completely agreed.

kdb

[Coppervale Studio]

I say again, Larry and Misty are the closest things to superheroes I know.

Gail

When they came to visit my Studio, they actually went out and BOUGHT copies of their own books - like, TWENTY - to bring as gifts. And we had a marvelous time.

It's just occurred to me that some of the professional alliances (and friendships) that are coming about because of THIS THREAD not only give it a positive angle, but is also probably going to perpetuate Olney's awful legacy.

I picture me, Larry, and Misty working on some project, and then being asked, "So - how did you guys get together, anyway?"

Heh.

[Sarah Beach]

When they came to visit my Studio, they actually went out and BOUGHT copies of their own books - like, TWENTY - to bring as gifts. And we had a marvelous time.

It's just occurred to me that some of the professional alliances (and friendships) that are coming about because of THIS THREAD not only give it a positive angle, but is also probably going to perpetuate Olney's awful legacy.

I picture me, Larry, and Misty working on some project, and then being asked, "So - how did you guys get together, anyway?"

Heh.

To which the appropriate answer would be: "We got to know each other online. Long story short: we hit it off." (Who needs to mention the aquatic mammal?)

[Gail Simone]

And that's called an ad hominem attack.

Doesn't matter what he actually said and whether it's valid or not, just dismiss him as "someone looking to argue," and you can disregard it.

Because Nat's clearly just here to make trouble -- after all, his posts on the thread have all been --

No, actually, they've generally been helpful, logical and sensible.

So clearly, he's just "someone looking to argue."

kdb


I think your point is valid, Kurt, and in general I think the tone of the thread is a bit more measured now, in any case.

But if anyone knows Rick's trix, it's Ronee, who had the unenviable job of having to smooth over his edges and quirks for some time, and I think saying she's 'making shit up,' is different from saying she's darn skeptical, and has the reason and experience to read between the lines.

I don't think you and Nat are wrong. But I think it's also true that Ronee probably has a better grasp on Rick's motives and behaviors than any of us.

Fair to say?

I agree that with as much egregious behavior as Rick has displayed, there's no need in really gilding that lily, and I'll try to be more careful about it.

Gail

[Coppervale Studio]

To which the appropriate answer would be: "We got to know each other online. Long story short: we hit it off." (Who needs to mention the aquatic mammal?)

You haven't heard Larry tell a story.

;)

[Kurt Busiek]

I don't think you and Nat are wrong. But I think it's also true that Ronee probably has a better grasp on Rick's motives and behaviors than any of us.

Fair to say?

Sure. My objection has never been to discussion of motives, but in this particular case to a manufactured quote. Even though it was just one word, it was a significant word and became the focus for mocking Olney for saying it, something he didn't actually do.

As I've said all along: Mock him all you like. Mock him 'til your eyes bleed. But I think it makes more sense to mock him for what he actually did (or, you know, didn't-but-should-have) rather than something pulled out of thin air.

As Ronee herself notes, there's no need to make anything up. The facts are plenty-ass damning enough.

kdb

[AIPman1]

My point in response: Whoever you meant it for, you posted it in response to someone on neither of those sides, with a bunch of big question marks that suggested it was aimed at him.

it seemed to me the person was arguing to argue, whether for one side, the other, or their own agenda.


Completely agreed.

kdb
then, we're done arguing, right?

[Ronée]

When the boy cried wolf the town no longer believed him.

When the man cheats and steals the forum doubts everything he says.

I don't think anyone's brought up a question about Olney's comments or purported past that was all that unreasonable.

I do question his supposed military service and his comments to Blake "freeing him" can easily be mis-read given his past comments. He hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt here or anywhere.

Certainly nothing was said in this thread on the level of your "magic martian" comparison.I agree. In fact I think ed here made the point better than I could.

[Ronée]

Well, when you say...

"although he DID write Blake that he was 'releasing' Evertime back to him... as if he was being charitable or some shit, he just knew he had nothing to stand on. Fucktard."

...and it turns out that he didn't, but everybody has fun mocking him for something you "quoted" that turns out not to have been said, that's inventing an offense.



That's actually the point Nat and I are making, Ronee. Why make shit up? The facts are more than enough.

kdbI said as if... not that he said that exactly, that was my take on it and it remains as such.

[Gail Simone]

The following statement is not true:

I heard Rick Olney wrote Batman and Robin.


Gail

[Ronée]

Sure. My objection has never been to discussion of motives, but in this particular case to a manufactured quote. Even though it was just one word, it was a significant word and became the focus for mocking Olney for saying it, something he didn't actually do.

As I've said all along: Mock him all you like. Mock him 'til your eyes bleed. But I think it makes more sense to mock him for what he actually did (or, you know, didn't-but-should-have) rather than something pulled out of thin air.

As Ronee herself notes, there's no need to make anything up. The facts are plenty-ass damning enough.

kdbNot having the letter in front of me, and only having read it once I paraphrased and I did so wrongly which is why I had Blake post it. I tend to use quotation marks a lot to emphasize something, in this case it was taken wrong and I do apologize... but again, I was expressing MY take on it and yes I am a lot less trusting of anything the man says anymore.

I do agree that there is no need to "make shit up" but I was not doing that and will be more careful in my wording in the future to prevent someone taking it that way.

[AIPman1]

I said as if... not that he said that exactly, that was my take on it and it remains as such.

Let's see if we can split more hairs from there too...





no, I don't mean that...

Y'know, I'm just not geting the arguments lately. As if it was perfectly ok to call Rick names (fuckknuckle still being my favorite) but heaven forbid someone put something into their own words.

ugh.

[Ronée]

Let's see if we can split more hairs from there too...





no, I don't mean that...

Y'know, I'm just not geting the arguments lately. As if it was perfectly ok to call Rick names (fuckknuckle still being my favorite) but heaven forbid someone put something into their own words.

ugh.lol! No the problem was my damn quotation marks apparently. and I said "releasing" instead of "you are free" which is so much more commendable I guess.

[Sarah Beach]

The following statement is not true:

I heard Rick Olney wrote Batman and Robin.


Gail

:p You could start a whole new game with that.

I heard that any fictional character named "Rick" or "Ric" was named after Rick Olney - including Rick in Casablanca.


:D

[Gail Simone]

Pop will eat itself.

Gail

[AIPman1]

I said as if... not that he said that exactly, that was my take on it and it remains as such.

lol! No the problem was my damn quotation marks apparently. and I said "releasing" instead of "you are free" which is so much more commendable I guess.

lol, my razer's not that sharp....don't even see the POINT of discussing the difference....

get it....point....

anyway...

[Blake Petit]

Ah, the eternal problem with talking over the internet -- the loss of voice and facial context creating misunderstandings. :D

Can we all get a group hug now?

[EdContradictory]

Y'know, I'm just not geting the arguments lately.
Me neither.

I can tell you one thing, though.

Rick's reading them and laughing his ass off.

[Kurt Busiek]

it seemed to me the person was arguing to argue, whether for one side, the other, or their own agenda.

Then I think you're wrong. I noted that before, and you said oh, you just meant it for people who were taking positions Nat hadn't taken. So I pointed out Nat hadn't taken either position, and you have now reverted to the original claim. As I'll stand by the original response, then -- if you think Nat was just arguing to argue, you haven't been paying attention to his posts.

then, we're done arguing, right?

Beats me. We're in complete agreement on the bit I said I completely agreed on. The bit about you dismissing Nat as someone who was just trying to start a fight, not so much.

kdb

[Kurt Busiek]

I said as if... not that he said that exactly, that was my take on it and it remains as such.

You put quotes around it, Ronee. The "as if" referred to your speculation as to his motivations, not to the claim that that was what he said.

kdb

[Ronée]

You put quotes around it, Ronee. The "as if" referred to your speculation as to his motivations, not to the claim that that was what he said.

kdbKeep reading, I address that a few posts later.

[Kurt Busiek]

Y'know, I'm just not geting the arguments lately. As if it was perfectly ok to call Rick names (fuckknuckle still being my favorite) but heaven forbid someone put something into their own words.

Nobody's said that, either.

Putting something in your own words is fine. Saying that Rick said something and putting quotes around it is not saying it's your own words, it's saying it's his words. Which is exactly how people reacted to Ronee's post, as if it was what it appeared to be, a direct quote.

Ronee's noted now that that's not what she intended, which is fine.

But you seem to be misrepresenting anyone who isn't on your "side" (including those who are, but are just suggesting sticking to the facts) for the purposes of dismissing them. That, I don't get.

kdb

[Kurt Busiek]

Keep reading, I address that a few posts later.

Yep. Caught up.

kdb

[Gail Simone]

Guys, if I may, I think this is getting a little thin, here. Most everyone seems to be in agreement on the key points.

Gail

[Typo Lad]

But the destination isn't the point, it's how we get there!

Right?

[Ronée]

Yep. Caught up.

kdbAlrighty then!

Now I have to attend to two sick children, I will catch up later. Everyone play nice.

[AIPman1]

Then I think you're wrong. I noted that before, and you said oh, you just meant it for people who were taking positions Nat hadn't taken. So I pointed out Nat hadn't taken either position, and you have now reverted to the original claim. As I'll stand by the original response, then -- if you think Nat was just arguing to argue, you haven't been paying attention to his posts.

I've never spent this much time arguing about nothing! If you don't see my point, then I'll be invisible, ain't gonna effect my life much. Got better things to do than defend something I said. Didn't look like I was the only person that ook issue to the post. But my point remains the same: It's all about shades of gray that have NOTHING to do with facts being facts. It seems to me people are trying to create new villians here, where there are none.

Beats me. We're in complete agreement on the bit I said I completely agreed on. The bit about you dismissing Nat as someone who was just trying to start a fight, not so much.
kdb
I'll dissmiss whoever needs it. Might even "set them free" or "Release" them.

[Ronée]

I've never spent this much time arguing about nothing! If you don't see my point, then I'll be invisible, ain't gonna effect my life much. Got better things to do than defend something I said. Didn't look like I was the only person that ook issue to the post. But my point remains the same: It's all about shades of gray that have NOTHING to do with facts being facts. It seems to me people are trying to create new villians here, where there are none.

I'll dissmiss whoever needs it. Might even "set them free" or "Release" them.HEY! Don't use quotation marks willy nilly like that!!!

[Kurt Busiek]

It seems to me people are trying to create new villians here, where there are none.

The fact that you see it in terms of "villains," beyond Olney, is the problem, I think.

kdb

[AIPman1]

Nobody's said that, either.

Putting something in your own words is fine. Saying that Rick said something and putting quotes around it is not saying it's your own words, it's saying it's his words. Which is exactly how people reacted to Ronee's post, as if it was what it appeared to be, a direct quote.

Ronee's noted now that that's not what she intended, which is fine.

But you seem to be misrepresenting anyone who isn't on your "side" (including those who are, but are just suggesting sticking to the facts) for the purposes of dismissing them. That, I don't get.

kdb

you're really worked up about a simple slip of the tounge there...or slight misuse of words at worst.

I represent no one but myself.

isn't there something actually important to talk about? can I be dissmissed myself?

[AIPman1]

The fact that you see it in terms of "villains," beyond Olney, is the problem, I think.

kdb

now who's putting words in people's mouths? I said OTHERS SEEMED TO BE, not that I saw any.

wow, how many licks DOES it take to get to the center of that toostie pop?

[TomStillwell]

isn't there something actually important to talk about?

I just saved a bundle on my car insurance...

[Kurt Busiek]

you're really worked up about a simple slip of the tounge there...or slight misuse of words at worst.

I'm not particularly worked up. I'm in the midst of some online research, so I'm bopping back and forth as slow pages load.

I suggested sticking to the actual facts was better than misrepresenting people, as did Nat, and this is something you seem to have taken a great deal of exception to -- not the idea of sticking to the facts, but the apparent crime of actually suggesting doing it.

You also keep suggesting all of this is too unimportant to talk about, inevitably after making one more dig. If it's truly unimportant to you, why keep posting?

kdb

[Kurt Busiek]

now who's putting words in people's mouths? I said OTHERS SEEMED TO BE, not that I saw any.

And since what the others, in this case, were saying was that it's a good idea to stick to the facts, the person introducing the idea of "villains" was you.

I'm pretty confident Nat wasn't thinking of things in terms of villains at all, nor was I.

kdb

[the4thpip]

I told Matt I had a LOVE surprise for him, but he wouldn't give me his address. :( Maybe I should go to MegaCon.

I'm PMing you my address.

[AIPman1]

I'm not particularly worked up. I'm in the midst of some online research, so I'm bopping back and forth as slow pages load.

I suggested sticking to the actual facts was better than misrepresenting people, as did Nat, and this is something you seem to have taken a great deal of exception to -- not the idea of sticking to the facts, but the apparent crime of actually suggesting doing it.

there's that SEEM TO again. You SEEM TO like to pick arguements, and that was my only point
You also keep suggesting all of this is too unimportant to talk about, inevitably after making one more dig. If it's truly unimportant to you, why keep posting?

kdb
I had 10 minutes to kill while eating lunch. Oh, and I like the sound of my own voice as I read words I wrote.

I'm not trying to DIG at you, sir. I am, however all for handing out rope when people want to argue with me an see who hangs themselves first.

[AIPman1]

And since what the others, in this case, were saying was that it's a good idea to stick to the facts, the person introducing the idea of "villains" was you.

I'm pretty confident Nat wasn't thinking of things in terms of villains at all, nor was I.

kdb
is that a non-point, or is it just me?

Oh, and YEAH, I invented the idea of villians....

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I just saved a bundle on my car insurance...

You went with Geico as well ? :p

[AIPman1]

You went with Geico as well ? :p

lol, that's not very progressive of you!

[Typo Lad]

What were we saying the other day abouyt ME being passive aggressive?

[Jack Zodiac]

I'm PMing you my address.

Okay, I guess. It's better that someone gets my love surprise than no one. Besides, I already filled the box.

[TomStillwell]

Okay, I guess. It's better that someone gets my love surprise than no one. Besides, I already filled the box.

Musta been a small box...

[Kurt Busiek]

there's that SEEM TO again. You SEEM TO like to pick arguements, and that was my only point.

Actually, no, your point was that Nat was picking arguments, and I continue to think you were off-base.

But since you can't keep your own arguments straight at this point, and you've resorted to outright misquotes, well, so it goes.

kdb

[Ronée]

Musta been a small box..."It's my dick in a box..."

best sketch ever.

[neko onna]

"It's my dick in a box..."

best sketch ever.

From the ladies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xElIik0Ys0

[AIPman1]

Actually, no, your point was that Nat was picking arguments, and I continue to think you were off-base.

But since you can't keep your own arguments straight at this point, and you've resorted to outright misquotes, well, so it goes.

kdb

I mis-quoted something? How, where? Let's keep kicking this till it's really really dead.

My point has been from the very start that splitting hairs is stupid. I think you've helped prove that point stupendously.

HOW I got that point across might confuse you, but that's ok. Everyone's allowed to think they are right. Olney proved THAT.

I don't think I've been mean, nor have done anything wrong. But then, I'm on the bully's side here as far as being ok with everything that's gone on in this thread except for direct name-calling, true though it might have been.

[Ronée]

From the ladies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xElIik0Ys0

not nearly as funny. but a valiant try none the less.

[Typo Lad]

From the ladies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xElIik0Ys0
I... I think that was more for the men.

Woa.

[neko onna]

not nearly as funny. but a valiant try none the less.

well yeah..who can they top that?...but yes a valient try..there are some good lines in that one too..lol

only thing..is that song gets embedded very easily into the brain! Very hard to get out.

[Danny Donovan]

I... I think that was more for the men.

Woa.

She's very pretty. I hope she gets something regular out of that skit. ;)

Yes, YouTube making casting agents irrevelent since 2004. :-p

[Typo Lad]

She's actually not the one singing.

Yes, I did a search.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec3wgEkEdPo

[Kurt Busiek]

I mis-quoted something? How, where?

Nah, it wasn't a misquote, it was you pretending I said you invented the concept of villains.

My point has been from the very start that splitting hairs is stupid.

What your point has been "from the very start" keeps changing, Ian. But mostly, you've been criticizing people and making jibes while decrying people who to your mind try to start arguments, when it turns out that you, Ronee and Gail have all agreed with their central point.

I agree with you, however, that this side discussion has been remarkably stupid. I do think your continual sniping has deserved response, though -- particularly when it continued long after everyone involved had ackowledged the merits of the point you were sniping at. Including yourself.

kdb

[EdContradictory]

Mom and Dad stop fighting!

*runs to room*

*slams door*

...

*slams door again to make sure it was heard*

[Sarah Beach]

Mom and Dad stop fighting!

*runs to room*

*slams door*

...

*slams door again to make sure it was heard*

You forgot *jump up and down hard on wood floor, to make sure lots of noise is heard downstairs*.

(Then curl up on the bed with the box of comic books, for some quiet reading.)

At least, that's how my temper tantrums went. ;)

[AIPman1]

Nah, it wasn't a misquote, it was you pretending I said you invented the concept of villains.

OH! so when you said I misquoted something, you were EXAGERATING, and posturing to make YOU look right...and that I'd done something wrong, which I hadn't. In other words...arguing just to argue. Oh, but then I just put THAT in my own words too. How dumb I must be.

What your point has been "from the very start" keeps changing, Ian.

HAS IT???????????? or have I illustrated different aspects of the same point, hoping ONE of the views of it might get you to stop arguing?

But mostly, you've been criticizing people and making jibes while decrying people who to your mind try to start arguments, when it turns out that you, Ronee and Gail have all agreed with their central point.

The only thing I'm criticizing is the spitting of hairs as a way to appear smarter than anyone else. Posturing and chest thumping, god it's annoying. you're trying to say that it's ME that has kept this little dance going...trust me, I'm just laughing at it. I've got no jabs. Just mirrors. Don't blame me if you don't like what you see.

I agree with you, however, that this side discussion has been remarkably stupid. I do think your continual sniping has deserved response, though -- particularly when it continued long after everyone involved had ackowledged the merits of the point you were sniping at. Including yourself.
kdb
Wow, how incredibly tidy you wrap up your point that I - Ian Shires - am sniping at people. Dude, give it a rest. This is PRECISELY why I said something to begin with. WHO PICKED THIS FIGHT? Not me. If you're done I'd like my rope back.

The following is a SONG, justfor Kurt....

"MADNESS REIGNS" © 4/15/99 Ian Shires

The Day is done - all that's left is the closing down
can't we leave for tomorrow - what should be finished now
have we not worked hard - peeled skin worked these fingers to the bone
No it leaves me no comfort - as I walk off alone
oh watch out tomorrow - I'll be comin to give a show
cause that's all that is left me - the empty charade
Madness reigns - in the land of the free and brave
Keep a firm grasp on your soul - for that's all you can save
Madness reigns - yes we're serving the chaos lords
See the twinkle in their eyes - turn into the flash of their swords

Impaled on the truth - and it pales by comparison
to the dream that still dances - in the back of my mind
have we not been strong - in the face of incredible odds
yes watch us keep laughing - at the jokes of the gods
Oh watch out tomorrow - I'll awake with that smile on my face
you'll see that I've lost my hold - in free fall I go
Madness reigns - in this world the ends are frayed
you can look back on the journey - to see where destiny's made
Madness reigns - yes we're serving the puppet kings
see the glint of their pearly whites - as they're pulling the strings

I stand before you with nothing to prove - nothing to lose
and the name I've made for myself says it all
oh watch out tomorrow - if you come I will put on a show
as I jump through the hoops of the day - I'll send my message clear

[howyadoin]

I heard Rick Olney wrote Batman and Robin.Was it pornographic fanfic?

[DocAbsurd]

I've been through something similar with him at the very beginning of this thread.

First he hands me the ICC group. Then he takes it back. Then he wants me to make something of it. Then he's gonna sue me for it.

He is, he isn't. He will, he won't. He does, he doesn't. How can I not read into his words?

Every correspondence I see from him now is shrouded with undertones and innuendo, at least in my mind. Even without hearing from him directly, I'm certain his 'release' was written with the deepest bite of sarcasm; he wrote the contract, he bloody well knew the time limit was on the verge of passing without the slightest hope of him being able to run away with it. He didn't need the pretense of waiting and then issuing a formal statement; this coulda been handled the day Blake and Ronee confronted him.

I'm sorry, I've tried but I see nothing magnanimous about this.




Doc 'Day Late' Absurd

[DocAbsurd]

You forgot *jump up and down hard on wood floor, to make sure lots of noise is heard downstairs*.

(Then curl up on the bed with the box of comic books, for some quiet reading.)

At least, that's how my temper tantrums went. ;)

'Went'?

When did they stop, and how did I miss it?




Doc 'Holding My Breath' Absurd

[Darediva]

For the record, NO ONE I KNOW got a mug. I had to fend off people asking why they didn't get promised sponsor items for months...and it lead to our discontinuing the "sponsored" chats.

The idea was originally: A publisher with a new book could Sponsor a chat, everyone that came to the chat would get a free copy of it, which would generate positive word of mouth as those people went about enjoying the book and telling friends, etc.

I'd love to return to that...but last year was tough due to my foot surgery and the website crash/redesign. We'll have to see how it goes, if we can keep the level of participation up, maybe publishers would be willing to commit to the idea again.

We also had an issue with people logging into chats for like 30 seconds and then expecting free stuff...stuff we'd want to address...but the THEORY is sound...

I got comics from several people, most notably Dreamchild, and that got me reading his Rock of Ages stuff and recommending it to a lot of others. Yeah, the theory is very sound. I didn't come around just for freebies, and really enjoyed the chats I did attend. I am fascinated by the talent in the small press world. I'm glad that you have transcripts of the chats on the site, because they are very fun to read if I had to miss, like last night with Gail. (CURSES!)

I'm glad you have things sorted with your website now, Ian. Good place!

[Ronée]

I've been through something similar with him at the very beginning of this thread.

First he hands me the ICC group. Then he takes it back. Then he wants me to make something of it. Then he's gonna sue me for it.

He is, he isn't. He will, he won't. He does, he doesn't. How can I not read into his words?

Every correspondence I see from him now is shrouded with undertones and innuendo, at least in my mind. Even without hearing from him directly, I'm certain his 'release' was written with the deepest bite of sarcasm; he wrote the contract, he bloody well knew the time limit was on the verge of passing without the slightest hope of him being able to run away with it. He didn't need the pretense of waiting and then issuing a formal statement; this coulda been handled the day Blake and Ronee confronted him.

I'm sorry, I've tried but I see nothing magnanimous about this.




Doc 'Day Late' Absurdagain, it looks like you and I have much in common.

[AIPman1]

I got comics from several people, most notably Dreamchild, and that got me reading his Rock of Ages stuff and recommending it to a lot of others. Yeah, the theory is very sound. I didn't come around just for freebies, and really enjoyed the chats I did attend. I am fascinated by the talent in the small press world. I'm glad that you have transcripts of the chats on the site, because they are very fun to read if I had to miss, like last night with Gail. (CURSES!)

I'm glad you have things sorted with your website now, Ian. Good place!

You were PRECISELY the audience the Sponsored chats was for...and for those that followed through, it did have limited success. Maybe once Small Press Idol is in full swing this year, we can start them up again...till then...just chatting is always fun in and of itself...

[the4thpip]

That's not an argument. That's just contridiction.

http://www.antoinebugleboy.com/images/arguing2.gif

[Danny Donovan]

He is, he isn't. He will, he won't. He does, he doesn't.


Doc 'Day Late' Absurd

You know what that reminds me of? A lyric in Live's "Selling The Drama"



Danny 'livin' in the 90s' Donovan

[Kurt Busiek]

OH! so when you said I misquoted something, you were EXAGERATING, and posturing to make YOU look right...and that I'd done something wrong, which I hadn't.

I don't think it was posturing, nor does it not being a misquote make what you said true. And much like Ronee, when my wording error was pointed out, I corrected it. Simple.

In other words...arguing just to argue.

Nope.

HAS IT???????????? or have I illustrated different aspects of the same point, hoping ONE of the views of it might get you to stop arguing?

As far as I can tell, you just keep changing your claim as to what you meant all along, even when the claims make no sense. Your approach to getting me to stop arguing has pretty consistently been to take another shot and then say it's not worth arguing about, and then get annoyed when I respond to the shot you just took.

As noted, nobody's forcing you to continue the argument, so pretending that you're desperately trying to get me to stop something you're participating in is kind of hollow.

The only thing I'm criticizing is the spitting of hairs as a way to appear smarter than anyone else.

Nat wasn't doing that when you took your first shot at him, though.

you're trying to say that it's ME that has kept this little dance going...

We're both keeping it going, Ian. It's an entirely voluntary dance.

WHO PICKED THIS FIGHT?

You did. Go back and look.

Nat and I made suggestions, without being combative about it, and you decided to take a shot at Nat for it. I pointed out that the shot didn't make sense, and you started sniping at me, too. And have kept at it long after the original points have been resolved.

If you're done I'd like my rope back.

Right, that was some of the posturing and breast-beating you weren't doing, there.

The thing is, I'm done every time, Ian. If you say something I think merits response, I'll respond again, but I'll be done then, too. The idea that you're somehow being dragged against your will into continuing this doesn't make it so. I have no mighty powers that force you to post, and I'll be done as soon as I don't see a need to respond.

So if you really want to end this conversation as much as you claim to, you can do it. Me, I think it's a pretty stupid conversation, but I'm not pretending to want to end it while being a full participant. I'm happy to let it take whatever course it takes.

kdb

[Kurt Busiek]

I'm sorry, I've tried but I see nothing magnanimous about this.

Nobody's suggested that he's being magnanimous, Doc.

kdb

[JTPencils]

That's not an argument. That's just contridiction.

No it isn't!

[Jack Zodiac]

Musta been a small box...

Ya' caught me, Tom. :( I'm regifting your love. But I'd rather see Pip get it than D Didi!

[Cam63]

DAMN INDIANS!

Everyone knows there's an indian conspiracy that keeps me out of comics. They blame the white man, so they decided they'd pick the paragon of the white race Rick Olney to make an example of!

damn them and their running through the forrest naked, painting with all the colors of the wind... I'll make them pay!!!!!!

10 year old Olney watching The Lone Ranger: " Watch your back, Kemo Sabe... Watch your back. "

[Cam63]

Pop will eat itself.

Gail

Grand dad wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

[NatGertler]

Given the history, is it wrong to doubt the intentions of anything Olney says?Absolutely not. Heck, I have doubts about claims of his that no one else has even bothered to question in this thread.
However, when one goes from having doubts to assuming the worst and then ridiculing based on that assumption, one has lost the position of being the reasonable voice. Making fun of Rick for having confused E-3 and G-3 seems silly when there is fairly little reason to believe that he actually did so... and when there are far better justified basis for criticizing Rick (not that people haven't been using those as well.)

[Cam63]

Musta been a small box...

It was a pinky ring case.

[TomStillwell]

Absolutely not. Heck, I have doubts about claims of his that no one else has even bothered to question in this thread.
However, when one goes from having doubts to assuming the worst and then ridiculing based on that assumption, one has lost the position of being the reasonable voice. Making fun of Rick for having confused E-3 and G-3 seems silly when there is fairly little reason to believe that he actually did so... and when there are far better justified basis for criticizing Rick (not that people haven't been using those as well.)

Fair enough.

[Danny Donovan]

I just recieved an e-mail from someone that was contact by Rick, who actually named ME (and Ritchey) as the reasons for the bad things going on the MMC... This was like Jan of last year or so --

Which DIRECTLY is in contradiction to the myspace e-mail I got on Jan 12th where he said almost the exact same thing to me, BUT using the person who sent me the e-mail in place of my name there as the reason everything sucks. ;)

[TomStillwell]

Ya' caught me, Tom. :( I'm regifting your love. But I'd rather see Pip get it than D Didi!

That was my homemade Dan DiDio replica porn 'stasch.

[Cam63]

Was it pornographic fanfic?

Batman was a lousy detective, but had the ability to hang upside down for prolonged periods of time and Robin was well... a kid with a robin's head.

Catwoman bit it off in the " Dang Pussy ! " issue.

[howyadoin]

Batman was a lousy detective, but had the ability to hang upside down for prolonged periods of time and Robin was well... a kid with a robin's head.

Catwoman bit it off in the " Dang Pussy ! " issue.I will buy any comic you ever write.

[shanejayell]

Ah, the eternal problem with talking over the internet -- the loss of voice and facial context creating misunderstandings. :D

Can we all get a group hug now?

I have never done a "group hug" in my life *lol*

[AIPman1]

I'm happy to let it take whatever course it takes.

kdb
Well then you won't respond to my saying you win, you're the most right of 'em all, and goodbye.

[Matt Doc Martin]

For.

FUCKS

SAKE!

[Papergirl]

For.

FUCKS

SAKE!
Couldn't agree more.

~Bev

[AIPman1]

For.

FUCKS

SAKE!

well, if that's directed at me.... I'm happy to shut up. Tell me I was wrong though. Or at least not entertaining...

[Papergirl]

Ian & Kurt!

Because it bears repeating:

Guys, if I may, I think this is getting a little thin, here. Most everyone seems to be in agreement on the key points.

Gail

<3

~Bev

[Blake Petit]

I have never done a "group hug" in my life *lol*

You don't know what you're missing. :D

[JamesRitcheyIII]

I just recieved an e-mail from someone that was contact by Rick, who actually named ME (and Ritchey) as the reasons for the bad things going on the MMC... This was like Jan of last year or so --
;)

What the FUCK??? Send me this email privately. I will walk from Georgia to New York State and personally rip out Olney's liver, if that bastard is spreading more rumors about me. Or, at least, if there's proof, sue his ass for slander and loss of profession and monies resulting. :D

Ironic, since I never spoke badly about him publicly until last week.

This motherfucker has likely set my career back two years doing this conniving bullshit, and deserves whatever he gets!!!!

Pardon my outburst.

[Matt Doc Martin]

well, if that's directed at me.... I'm happy to shut up. Tell me I was wrong though. Or at least not entertaining...

No, it was NOT entertaining.

It was like watching two very well versed, but immature, children. And you coming back to say "Well then you won't respond to my saying you win, you're the most right of 'em all, and goodbye" was particularly sad.

Neither you nor Kurt were wrong. You both made good points. But when you beat the point TO BLOODY DEATH, well, the argument loses a bit of punch.

DO NOT APOLOGIZE, DO NOT MENTION IT. Just stop.

[Sarah Beach]

Originally posted by Danny Donovan
Originally Posted by Danny Donovan
I just recieved an e-mail from someone that was contact by Rick, who actually named ME (and Ritchey) as the reasons for the bad things going on the MMC... This was like Jan of last year or so --

What the FUCK??? Send me this email privately. I will walk from Georgia to New York State and personally rip out Olney's liver, if that bastard is spreading more rumors about me. Or, at least, if there's proof, sue his ass for slander and loss of profession and monies resulting. :D

Ironic, since I never spoke badly about him publicly until last week.

This motherfucker has likely set my career back two years doing this conniving bullshit, and deserves whatever he gets!!!!

Pardon my outburst.

Oh, don't get blisters on your feet doing that, Jim! That's RO's typical shit-stirring, and how he managed to keep people from comparing notes. Except that he is waaaaaaaaay behind the wave now. Yeah, he's messed with your relationships with others from the MMC board, but elsewhere now? Not so much.

Outbursts are just what he's looking for. But vent about what a jerk he is, and mock him for still trying this lame shit-stirring. Don't let him press the "angry/vengencence" button.

But it's creepy that he's still trying to poison relationships out there. And Danny? I hoped you thanked the person who contacted you, for letting you know about the back-stabbing talk.



Man, what a creep the peanut is.

[Gail Simone]

What the FUCK??? Send me this email privately. I will walk from Georgia to New York State and personally rip out Olney's liver, if that bastard is spreading more rumors about me. Or, at least, if there's proof, sue his ass for slander and loss of profession and monies resulting. :D

Ironic, since I never spoke badly about him publicly until last week.

This motherfucker has likely set my career back two years doing this conniving bullshit, and deserves whatever he gets!!!!

Pardon my outburst.


There is no friend Rick won't throw under the bus in a heartbeat. He tried TWICE to blame Dennis for all my problems with payment, when Dennis didn't even have a clue what he was talking about AND I have two years of him saying he (rick) couldn't pay because of money troubles.

He tried to blame Ronee for shitty PR copy that he himself wrote.

He thinks of friends as potential sacrifices if he gets cornered, I think.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

No, it was NOT entertaining.

It was like watching two very well versed, but immature, children. And you coming back to say "Well then you won't respond to my saying you win, you're the most right of 'em all, and goodbye" was particularly sad.

Neither you nor Kurt were wrong. You both made good points. But when you beat the point TO BLOODY DEATH, well, the argument loses a bit of punch.

DO NOT APOLOGIZE, DO NOT MENTION IT. Just stop.

I'm with Matt. Everyone likes you both, it was a shrinking argument from the very first post, we've all done it. Now it's done, and we can get back to talking about WHAT A CREEP OLNEY IS!

:)

Gail

[Ronée]

There is no friend Rick won't throw under the bus in a heartbeat. He tried TWICE to blame Dennis for all my problems with payment, when Dennis didn't even have a clue what he was talking about AND I have two years of him saying he (rick) couldn't pay because of money troubles.

He tried to blame Ronee for shitty PR copy that he himself wrote.

He thinks of friends as potential sacrifices if he gets cornered, I think.

Gailnot only that, but he tried to get me mad at Gail by saying that Gail was going off on MY PR job when he knew full well she was talking about stuff he wrote. He thought this would make me mad at her and stop the two of us from speaking. It did not work out that way however.

[AIPman1]

No, it was NOT entertaining.

It was like watching two very well versed, but immature, children. And you coming back to say "Well then you won't respond to my saying you win, you're the most right of 'em all, and goodbye" was particularly sad.

Neither you nor Kurt were wrong. You both made good points. But when you beat the point TO BLOODY DEATH, well, the argument loses a bit of punch.

DO NOT APOLOGIZE, DO NOT MENTION IT. Just stop.

know what I hate more than people who think they are better than anyone else? I hate being told what to do. But anyway, I wasn't here to argue, this guy just rubbed me wrong. I'm going into lurker mode I guess till I actually have something to say about the actual topic here. Not like I don't have better things to do.

[Papergirl]

know what I hate more than people who think they are better than anyone else? I hate being told what to do. But anyway, I wasn't here to argue, this guy just rubbed me wrong. I'm going into lurker mode I guess till I actually have something to say about the actual topic here. Not like I don't have better things to do.
Oh for the love of all that's holy.

Ian, I like you. I think you have a lot of great ideas, and I love it when you share them.

Kurt, been a fan of yours for a long time now. Excellent work!

But, guys, really. Matt has a good point. You may or may not agree with HOW he said it, but he's right. The argument got beat to death. Time to move forward from it. :)

I like you both and hate the thought that either of you would feel the need to go into "lurker" mode. That's just silly.

Worse than silly, it's letting Olney gain a victory by coming between two talented and great people. And that's just sad

~Bev.

[Gail Simone]

Come on, Ian, if we didn't like you no one would care enough to say anything.

I again raise the idea...BE MAD AT ME!

I'm easy to be mad at, I say lots of dumb things, and it's more fun than seeing two smart, talented guys I like arguing past the point of any kind of return.

Come on, admit it, you want to be mad at me.

:)

Just a little?

BE MAD AT ME!

:P

Gail

[JamesRitcheyIII]

There is no friend Rick won't throw under the bus in a heartbeat. He tried TWICE to blame Dennis for all my problems with payment, when Dennis didn't even have a clue what he was talking about AND I have two years of him saying he (rick) couldn't pay because of money troubles.

He tried to blame Ronee for shitty PR copy that he himself wrote.

He thinks of friends as potential sacrifices if he gets cornered, I think.

Gail

Well, yeah, that's what Sociopaths do. His Pathology would suggest Narcissistic Personality Disorder, while mine suggests a compulsive need to poke bullies with a sharp stick, or beat them up--physically or metaphorically, if duty calls. It's just my nature. Bullies are cowards, and I'm certain I've made him blanch a few times, ONLY after he's attacked someone helpless said something or done something moronically insensitive, myself being rather studied in the art of Neurolinguistic Warfare. Looking back, he may well have cause in his addled mind to blame me for everything--I might have dispelled some illusions about himself that were holding a narrow thread of sanity intact--they do fucked up shit to train marines. "Full Metal Jacket" on an internet scale seems to be what Rick's going thru. :D

[AIPman1]

I'm not saying I'm not going to post nothin...just that I'm done with arguing. I had a little fun with it, but I'm not here to piss off anyone with it. So I'll be here, and when I have something ON POINT to say, I will. Don't worry. I don't get mad. I try to focus on positives.

[Papergirl]

Come on, Ian, if we didn't like you no one would care enough to say anything.

I again raise the idea...BE MAD AT ME!

I'm easy to be mad at, I say lots of dumb things, and it's more fun than seeing to smart, talented guys I like arguing past the point of any kind of return.

Come on, admit it, you want to be mad at me.

:)

Just a little?

BE MAD AT ME!

:P

Gail
I can be mad at you. For a little while, anyway. Because, umm... Because... It's your fault it was grey and cloudy here today! :p

~Bev

[TCJohnson]

Just a little?

BE MAD AT ME!

:P

Gail

If it helps, I'm mad at you! :mad:

[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

Come on, Ian, if we didn't like you no one would care enough to say anything.

I again raise the idea...BE MAD AT ME!

I'm easy to be mad at, I say lots of dumb things, and it's more fun than seeing to smart, talented guys I like arguing past the point of any kind of return.

Come on, admit it, you want to be mad at me.

:)

Just a little?

BE MAD AT ME!

:P

Gail



Indeed. I am mad at you for making me fat. Thanks a LOT. :evilangry

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Oh, don't get blisters on your feet doing that, Jim! That's RO's typical shit-stirring, and how he managed to keep people from comparing notes. Except that he is waaaaaaaaay behind the wave now. Yeah, he's messed with your relationships with others from the MMC board, but elsewhere now? Not so much.

Outbursts are just what he's looking for. But vent about what a jerk he is, and mock him for still trying this lame shit-stirring. Don't let him press the "angry/vengencence" button.

But it's creepy that he's still trying to poison relationships out there. And Danny? I hoped you thanked the person who contacted you, for letting you know about the back-stabbing talk.

Man, what a creep the peanut is.

Naw, I vent, then it's over. If I seriously wanted get do damage, or really cared all that much, I'd do a Iago from Othello--I'd re-befriend him, then I'd just feed his paranoia, 'til he implodes. :D

[DocAbsurd]

Do you know how many renditions of 'Gail Sucks and Here's Why' I've had to sit thru over the years?

I was his unpaid lackey, cleverly disguised as a 'friend', for 3 years and I've seen a sickening amount of bodies pile up in his 'They Did It' file. No-one -- and I mean no-one -- was Teflon-coated in his kitchen of lies.

Towards the end, I heard him go from crediting someone (who shall remain unnamed for their sake) for trying so hard to smooth the waters with Chuck to outright condemning them the following week for not doing enough. It was as if he'd downed the Hyde formula over the week-end and was still suffering the hang-over.

Feck, he blamed me for not going along with shifting the blame for his current situation with Chuck on what happened with Ian over 3 years ago.

Ever see those fold-out maps for historic timelines? Moby's gotta have one of those in his office for 'blame'.

And another for 'lies'.

Except the 'lies' one was done in crayon.

One color.




Doc 'Finger Pointing' Absurd

[Cam63]

I can be mad at you. For a little while, anyway. Because, umm... Because... It's your fault it was grey and cloudy here today! :p

~Bev

Send your weather down here for a while !

[Cam63]

I'm not saying I'm not going to post nothin...just that I'm done with arguing. I had a little fun with it, but I'm not here to piss off anyone with it. So I'll be here, and when I have something ON POINT to say, I will. Don't worry. I don't get mad. I try to focus on positives.

Don't make me hug you !

[Kurt Busiek]

I'm with Matt. Everyone likes you both, it was a shrinking argument from the very first post, we've all done it. Now it's done, and we can get back to talking about WHAT A CREEP OLNEY IS!

Excellent!

kdb

[Cam63]

*Puts some beers on the bar*

[howyadoin]

I can be mad at you. For a little while, anyway. Because, umm... Because... It's your fault it was grey and cloudy here today!Plus she murdered Santa Claus.

[Papergirl]

Plus she murdered Santa Claus.
And, she kicks kittens! It's true!

~Bev

[Cam63]

And, she kicks kittens! It's true!

~Bev

It was ONE kitten and she was sure it was a suicide bomber at the time, OK !!??

[TomStillwell]

Come on, Ian, if we didn't like you no one would care enough to say anything.

I again raise the idea...BE MAD AT ME!

I'm easy to be mad at, I say lots of dumb things, and it's more fun than seeing to smart, talented guys I like arguing past the point of any kind of return.

Come on, admit it, you want to be mad at me.

:)

Just a little?

BE MAD AT ME!

:P

Gail

Fine, the floodgate of my inner turmoil has been shattered!!!

Gail's been keeping me out of comics for years!!! That dirty, dirty crumb eater lady!!!

It was me who had the idea to have red hair and glasses and write comics. I even dyed my hair!!! And then along came Irma Hossenfossen, AKA "Gail Simone"...oooo look at my red hair...ooo look at my glasses...ooo I have a vagina.

I COULD HAVE HAD A VAGINA!!! <sobs>

WiR? I was born in an icebox for the love of all the candy in Canton, Ohio!!!

ME! Ants! I can write ANTS TOO!!!

[Cam63]

Plus she murdered Santa Claus.

Well, he had it coming for the " The Santa Clause " movies.

[TomStillwell]

Don't make me hug you !

Hug it out, bitch.

[Cam63]

Fine, the floodgate of my inner turmoil has been shattered!!!

Gail's been keeping me out of comics for years!!! That dirty, dirty crumb eater lady!!!

It was me who had the idea to have red hair and glasses and write comics. I even dyed my hair!!! And then along came Irma Hossenfossen, AKA "Gail Simone"...oooo look at my red hair...ooo look at my glasses...ooo I have a vagina.

I COULD HAVE HAD A VAGINA!!! <sobs>

WiR? I was born in an icebox for the love of all the candy in Canton, Ohio!!!

ME! Ants! I can write ANTS TOO!!!

'You get the right attorney, you may have a case, Tom.

[Cam63]

Hug it out, bitch.

*Goes into SAS neck hug mode*

...Umm. Better not.

[khuxford]

I'd be mad at Gail for Manhunter being canceled and blame her...but then it would possibly get picked up by rumor hounds to spread it around that Gail got the book canceled. :p

[Blake Petit]

I'd be mad at Gail for Manhunter being canceled and blame her...but then it would possibly get picked up by rumor hounds to spread it around that Gail got the book canceled. :p

It's already appeared in three rumor columns since you posted that.

[Cam63]

She had Charlie's Angels cancelled too.

Well, it lost out when Kate Jackson left anyway.

[JTPencils]

BE MAD AT ME!

:P

Gail

Ok, that is absolutely IT! I'm gonna be mad at Gail.. cuz... cuz... oh damn, I can't be mad at Gail... she likes me more then mac and cheese... how can you get mad after that.

I'm sorry Gail... I can't be mad. How about... ummmmm... perturbed?

[shanejayell]

I'm mad at Gail for not cloning herself and taking over writing chores for the whole DCU.

[Blake Petit]

I'm mad at Gail for my clinically diagnosed Gus Beezer defficiency.

[NatGertler]

it seemed to me the person was arguing to argue, whether for one side, the other, or their own agenda.Nope.

I said what I said because I think that this thread will be more effective if it is seen as rational criticizing Rick's actual actions and not just any mere insulting action that can be attributed to him.

But then, I tend to place a strong value on facts and accuracy.

[Kurt Busiek]

I'm mad at Gail for not cloning herself and taking over writing chores for the whole DCU.

And strangely, that's one of the things I'm grateful to her for...

kdb

[howyadoin]

And, she kicks kittens! It's true!Oh, I believe it. I saw the pile of kitten bodies behind her table at Emerald City. Her husband kept trying to hide 'em, but there were just too many...

[Danny Donovan]

Wow! Go and do the groceries and you miss all the excitement.


quote=JamesRitcheyIII;4289528]What the FUCK??? Send me this email privately. I will walk from Georgia to New York State and personally rip out Olney's liver, if that bastard is spreading more rumors about me. Or, at least, if there's proof, sue his ass for slander and loss of profession and monies resulting.
Ironic, since I never spoke badly about him publicly until last week.

This motherfucker has likely set my career back two years doing this conniving bullshit, and deserves whatever he gets!!!!

Pardon my outburst.[/quote]

I'll send that right over Jim. I'm going to send a copy to Sarah too. (almost typed Sara... ) and speaking of: (I am just amazing with seques)

Oh, don't get blisters on your feet doing that, Jim! That's RO's typical shit-stirring, and how he managed to keep people from comparing notes. Except that he is waaaaaaaaay behind the wave now. Yeah, he's messed with your relationships with others from the MMC board, but elsewhere now? Not so much.

Outbursts are just what he's looking for. But vent about what a jerk he is, and mock him for still trying this lame shit-stirring. Don't let him press the "angry/vengencence" button.

But it's creepy that he's still trying to poison relationships out there. And Danny? I hoped you thanked the person who contacted you, for letting you know about the back-stabbing talk.

Man, what a creep the peanut is.

I did thank him. I'm glad he's feeding me information. Especially about this I was very taken aback by it, compared to the e-mail I got earlier this month that was very friendly.

Although it DOESN'T surprise me. I've had phone coversations with him where he's got a list of ALL THESE PEOPLE that are picking on him.

I'll never forget some of the things that he said to me when we were first speaking that at first I didn't think anything of but looking back seemed like a veiled threat.

I really hate that I deleted all those hateful e-mails I had saved after I knew it was the last I'd see or hear from him. I kept them a month or so just in case he DID make good on any of his threats I'd have a record (at the time I didn't know he was all bluster) but then he just stopped speaking to me, then came back, then stopped, and now I'm sure I've made his bad list...

There is no friend Rick won't throw under the bus in a heartbeat. He tried TWICE to blame Dennis for all my problems with payment, when Dennis didn't even have a clue what he was talking about AND I have two years of him saying he (rick) couldn't pay because of money troubles.

He tried to blame Ronee for shitty PR copy that he himself wrote.

He thinks of friends as potential sacrifices if he gets cornered, I think.

Gail

Oh I have stories... He was all friendly with Ian, then Ian was the anti-christ, every crash of the server was Ian hacking into it. Ian bugged his computer, Ian called him sobbing asking for forgiveness, Ian was placing SPA spies (which honestly isn't a bad concept, it'd be kind of like Models Inc. meets Nick Fury Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D) in the MMC forums..

Sam was out to get him. (who was his longtime friend, and he actually spent most of his time with him when he went to MegaCon) but when he fell out of favor at the forums and was banned or whatever it was all "SAM IS TRYING TO DESTROY ME! SAM IS THREATENING ME!"

And you Gail, don't seem to be his first choice for Prom, I know you're heartbroken about that :D And don't get me started on similar stories to Ronee's where he's tried to throw a wedge in people's relationships so they can't possibly form an alliance to topple him.

I told my friend it's like "The Apprentice" but only one person is playing. :p there're all these allegiences, and backstabbing but apperently the only one who can see them is Rick.

[Papergirl]

Nope.

I said what I said because I think that this thread will be more effective if it is seen as rational criticizing Rick's actual actions and not just any mere insulting action that can be attributed to him.

But then, I tend to place a strong value on facts and accuracy.
STOP. PLEASE.

Thank you.

~Bev

[shanejayell]

And strangely, that's one of the things I'm grateful to her for...

kdb

I suppose we could just give you Marvel, instead. Tho with the mess called CW that'd be a mixed blessing.

[Larry Dixon]

Oh, I believe it. I saw the pile of kitten bodies behind her table at Emerald City. Her husband kept trying to hide 'em, but there were just too many...

Dave Gerrold's pissed at her because he thought she was selling them as Tribbles.

[sk716]

I'm mad at Gail for my clinically diagnosed Gus Beezer defficiency.

You got that too? Phew, I thought it was just me.

[Cam63]

Ok, that is absolutely IT! I'm gonna be mad at Gail.. cuz... cuz... oh damn, I can't be mad at Gail... she likes me more then mac and cheese... how can you get mad after that.

I'm sorry Gail... I can't be mad. How about... ummmmm... perturbed?

Harden the fuck up, JT !

[Cam63]

You got that too? Phew, I thought it was just me.

Harden the fuck up too, SK !

[DocAbsurd]

Oh, BTW:

I'm working with Larry Dixon and Mercedes Lackey!

Sorry, had to get that out.

Feck. I'm working with Larry Dixon and Mercedes Lackey . . .




Doc 'Hero Worship' Absurd

[DocAbsurd]

Y'know what I'd love?

Gail doing a Gus Beezer story with the FF and the Impossible Man.

And me drawing it.

I miss Gus . . .




Doc 'Beezer-less' Absurd

[Cam63]

That's OK, but you need a REAL job !

[Danny Donovan]

Oh, BTW:

I'm working with Larry Dixon and Mercedes Lackey!

Sorry, had to get that out.

Feck. I'm working with Larry Dixon and Mercedes Lackey . . .




Doc 'Hero Worship' Absurd

Congrats DocA!

:) I got a message that I finally wore down our own Jim Taylor. ;) Only took so much harassment and blackmail.

God bless you night vision camera with telescopic lense!!!!!

[sk716]

Harden the fuck up too, SK !

*whacks Cam with a baseball bat*

That hard enough for you?

[Cam63]

*whacks Cam with a baseball bat*

That hard enough for you?

You hit like a girrrl-l-l-l...*THUD*

[wishlish]

It has happened repeatedly in this thread, Ronée, whether its been piling on his supposed claim about his military grade which was stated from the very beginning as someone's imprecise memory of the event, or his note to Blake making it clear that he is accepting Blake taking his series elsewhere -- a note that looked much like it would look from any publisher. And these invented offenses seem so minor compared to the more substantial concerns at hand, but they can make a big difference in how reasonable one side of the discussion can appear.
In terms of discussion, its much like what would happen when someone who is claiming that George Bush purposely ignored information that there were no WMDs goes on to claim that Bush also has a magic martian hidden under his bed whose poop could power all of America's energy needs and thus put the oil companies out of business. Suddenly, one is not likely to put as much credence into the earlier claims, and write them off as being unreasonable. It would be a shame if the same effect made people treat the substantial claims against Olney less seriously.

Before anyone starts disputing Nat too much, I did it. I accused Olney of fabricating his military career without any proof. I even apologized to him in this thread.

I am perfectly willing to believe that Olney did serve his country proudly by doing time in the Marines, and that whatever mental condition that has turned him into the hideous creature we all know and despise came afterward. And if that's true, then I insulted a man about his military service, and that's just wrong.

I didn't serve in the military, but my dad did, and my mom's dad did. Both served their country with distinction; when Grandpop died, then-President Clinton sent us a letter thanking him for his service to the US during World War II. There are men and women in Iraq right now serving their country with honor despite what anyone thinks about the mission. If someone commits years of their life and serves our country in the military, they should be thanked for that sacrifice. I shouldn't have insulted Olney on that matter without any proof, despite his otherwise lecherous conduct.

Now if someone comes out with proof that he did not serve in the Marines, I'll take the apology back. But until that time, this apology stands. Rick Olney, I apologize for questioning your service in the Marines, and I thank you for serving the US at a time when it was unpopular to do so.

[howyadoin]

Oh, BTW:

I'm working with Larry Dixon and Mercedes Lackey!

Sorry, had to get that out.

Feck. I'm working with Larry Dixon and Mercedes Lackey . . .Doesn't "Dixon-Lackey" sound like something dirty?

[Blake Petit]

Y'know what I'd love?

Gail doing a Gus Beezer story with the FF and the Impossible Man.

And me drawing it.

I miss Gus . . .




Doc 'Beezer-less' Absurd

Dude. I would SO buy that.

[Cam63]

Before anyone starts disputing Nat too much, I did it. I accused Olney of fabricating his military career without any proof. I even apologized to him in this thread.

I am perfectly willing to believe that Olney did serve his country proudly by doing time in the Marines, and that whatever mental condition that has turned him into the hideous creature we all know and despise came afterward. And if that's true, then I insulted a man about his military service, and that's just wrong.

I didn't serve in the military, but my dad did, and my mom's dad did. Both served their country with distinction; when Grandpop died, then-President Clinton sent us a letter thanking him for his service to the US during World War II. There are men and women in Iraq right now serving their country with honor despite what anyone thinks about the mission. If someone commits years of their life and serves our country in the military, they should be thanked for that sacrifice. I shouldn't have insulted Olney on that matter without any proof, despite his otherwise lecherous conduct.

Now if someone comes out with proof that he did not serve in the Marines, I'll take the apology back. But until that time, this apology stands. Rick Olney, I apologize for questioning your service in the Marines, and I thank you for serving the US at a time when it was unpopular to do so.

That's a fine post, Wishy.

[EdContradictory]

Before anyone starts disputing Nat too much, I did it. I accused Olney of fabricating his military career without any proof. I even apologized to him in this thread.

...

Now if someone comes out with proof that he did not serve in the Marines, I'll take the apology back. But until that time, this apology stands. Rick Olney, I apologize for questioning your service in the Marines, and I thank you for serving the US at a time when it was unpopular to do so.
For goodness sake.

You have nothing to apologize for.

Questions about the truth/reality of Olney's service existed looooong before you raised them. I've seen them raised years before now.

From his refusal to discuss specifics (never met someone proud of their service that was unwilling to do so) to his constant reference to his dishonorable discharge (seemed like a guy trying too hard to make you believe something) to people seeing that dates and locations didn't add up, there are plenty of reasons to not take him at his word on this. At this point, as with all things, the burden of proof is on him.

But I would like to say that the people who are now apologizing and giving the man the benefit of the doubt are better and more compassionate people than Olney deserves to interact with.

Anyway, I bet Olney's loving watching this thread implode.

Matt, are you at liberty to give us any update on the legal situation?

[THEDOC]

In the spirit of transmutation, specifically changing something lousy to something pretty cool:

Today I sent out the check to Doc Absurd to do five book outlines/summaries for me. Mercedes Lackey (Misty) and I are planning new books in two particular series and we want to be sure our continuity's solid. Doc's got the skilz0rz.

Got a box of neat stuff almost packed to go to Doc & his kids, to ungrinch their Olneyed holidays, too; model rockets, dolls and the like. I'll do the same for anyone who had slim holidays because of Olney---just let me know.

Doc Absurd, Mama Absurd & I met because of this thread.

I now quote Doc's favorite new catchphrase:

SUCK IT, OLNEY.


That was really great of you Larry!

[Blake Petit]

Bah -- a bump in the road is by no means an implosion. The core of this thread is still strong.

[EdContradictory]

Bah -- a bump in the road is by no means an implosion. The core of this thread is still strong.
The six-hundreds are rough age for a thread.

Hopefully it will come through more mature and with a greater sense of purpose.

Or maybe it will form a punk band.

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Oh, BTW:

I'm working with Larry Dixon and Mercedes Lackey!

Sorry, had to get that out.

Feck. I'm working with Larry Dixon and Mercedes Lackey . . .


Doc 'Hero Worship' Absurd

You lucky bastard! Congratulations.

JP

[THEDOC]

Well, to be fair, this was BEFORE the creation of the creepy tounge thing...it probably would have had the weird blue dude with the muscles from the MMC site...

he's mighty

he's mini

he's a con

You mean this?

http://www.inter-fan.org/history/orca1.jpg

I now know that this is "Rick" taking the donations for ORCA he got, back to his house to put in his collection.
Hmm as you can see from the illo he had that tounge fetish even then.

[DocAbsurd]

The six-hundreds are rough age for a thread.

Hopefully it will come through more mature and with a greater sense of purpose.

Or maybe it will form a punk band.

Oh, I hated my 600s. Not quite dead, not quite immortal.

I felt so outta place.

The 700s were a breeze by comparison.




Doc 'Rejected by AARP' Absurd

[wishlish]

For goodness sake.

You have nothing to apologize for.

Questions about the truth/reality of Olney's service existed looooong before you raised them. I've seen them raised years before now.

From his refusal to discuss specifics (never met someone proud of their service that was unwilling to do so) to his constant reference to his dishonorable discharge (seemed like a guy trying too hard to make you believe something) to people seeing that dates and locations didn't add up, there are plenty of reasons to not take him at his word on this. At this point, as with all things, the burden of proof is on him.

But I would like to say that the people who are now apologizing and giving the man the benefit of the doubt are better and more compassionate people than Olney deserves to interact with.

Anyway, I bet Olney's loving watching this thread implode.

Matt, are you at liberty to give us any update on the legal situation?

I really want to agree with you, but I can't. See, the true purpose of this thread is to expose Olney's lies and help those burned by them. It isn't to make up new lies. (Olney's better at that than I am, anyway.)

I stand by everything else I've said. But that was improper conduct on my part and shouldn't have happened.

And I am VERY curious as to who's sued Olney. Wonder if any of it is public record yet...

[wishlish]

You mean this?

http://www.inter-fan.org/history/orca1.jpg

I now know that this is "Rick" taking the donations for ORCA he got, back to his house to put in his collection.
Hmm as you can see from the illo he had that tounge fetish even then.

I don't know why he uses the tongue fetish logo when he has that logo. That's a COOL logo. He should just stick with that. It could use some touch-up in Photoshop, but it's fun, it's cute, and it would make me want to attend.

Wonder if the artist who drew it got paid...

[khuxford]

It's already appeared in three rumor columns since you posted that.

But...but...I said I wasn't going to say it...because...oh F***...HOW COULD I NOT HAVE SEEN THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN ANYWAY? :(

[wishlish]

I suppose we could just give you Marvel, instead. Tho with the mess called CW that'd be a mixed blessing.

Oh, c'mon. How many times are we going to ask Busiek to fix the Avengers? He's done it once already. Let him do something else. He's going to get bored otherwise.

(And if you love Busiek's Avengers, check out the Avengers Assemble oversized hardcover run, currently at four volumes. Word at MarvelMasterworks.com is that the fifth book will cover the Kang storyline!)

[Tages]

Okay, now I keep hearing ABOUT these, but not what the actual comments were, paraphrased or not.

Can you remember what he said, in essence?

Gail

Jeff pretty much encapsulated it.

Basically, Amerindians are lazy, illiterate, alcoholic welfare-mongers who got exactly what they deserved for refusing the true civilization that was offered to them, they live to leech off the productive American taxpayer and the US government should stop coddling them. The US gov't and US Army have never, ever been guilty of undue violence or theft towards this continent's aboriginal inhabitants, and anyone who says otherwise is propagating vile historical revisionism invented by filthy liberals.

When I told him I have Cherokee blood on my mom's side he said something like "Just be glad it ain't in all of you." When anyone asked him to provide evidence for his POV, he changed the subject.

Thus says Rick Olney.

[Koben Kelly]

Karma will fuck you up the ass if you laugh in its face too long.

Is that a threat or a promise?

---Koben

[Kurt Busiek]

(And if you love Busiek's Avengers, check out the Avengers Assemble oversized hardcover run, currently at four volumes. Word at MarvelMasterworks.com is that the fifth book will cover the Kang storyline!)

It's all that's left, really...

kdb

[Sarah Beach]

Originally Posted by shanejayell
I'm mad at Gail for not cloning herself and taking over writing chores for the whole DCU.

And strangely, that's one of the things I'm grateful to her for...

kdb

Aw, you're just saying that because you want to keep your spot in keeping us up-and-comers from coming up and getting gigs.

:D

[Magneto_X]

I suppose we could just give you Marvel, instead. Tho with the mess called CW that'd be a mixed blessing.

Where there's a Busiek, there's a way.

[Kurt Busiek]

Aw, you're just saying that because you want to keep your spot in keeping us up-and-comers from coming up and getting gigs.

Well, duhh!

kdb

[Danny Donovan]

Aw, you're just saying that because you want to keep your spot in keeping us up-and-comers from coming up and getting gigs.

:D

Don't be silly Sarah, there's bound to be someone at DC Kurt wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. You could do the new adventures of Rainbow Raider! ;)

Although you know what third stringer I would get a kick out of? Ragman. People never really utilized him to his full creepy potential. (of course up until recently horror comics were out of fashion.) but a dude who absorbs souls of evil people to have them "work off" their deeds by being punching bags. :-p Totally a cool idea. :-p

Also if he had enough dead folks to draw strength from he could go toe to toe with the man of steel (if Waid's birthright retcon didn't negate Supes' magic weakness)

I am such a dweeb.

[shanejayell]

Oh, c'mon. How many times are we going to ask Busiek to fix the Avengers? He's done it once already. Let him do something else. He's going to get bored otherwise.

I'd ask him to fix the New Warriors. Or Speedball. Or Thor. Or the Scarlet Witch. (Yes, she's a avenger but she needs help!)

[TomStillwell]

Don't be silly Sarah, there's bound to be someone at DC Kurt wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. You could do the new adventures of Rainbow Raider! ;)

Although you know what third stringer I would get a kick out of? Ragman. People never really utilized him to his full creepy potential. (of course up until recently horror comics were out of fashion.) but a dude who absorbs souls of evil people to have them "work off" their deeds by being punching bags. :-p Totally a cool idea. :-p

Also if he had enough dead folks to draw strength from he could go toe to toe with the man of steel (if Waid's birthright retcon didn't negate Supes' magic weakness)

I am such a dweeb.

Someone give Bill Willingham a call!

[Danny Donovan]

Someone give Bill Willingham a call!

DAMN! Oh no he doesn't!

Jo!!!!!!!!!!! Don't let Bill see this thread!

:p

[Danny Donovan]

I'd ask him to fix the New Warriors. Or Speedball. Or Thor. Or the Scarlet Witch. (Yes, she's a avenger but she needs help!)


Look Gail, I'm being good. someone mentioned the new warriors and I didn't......

:p

*attempts self-improvement*

[TomStillwell]

DAMN! Oh no he doesn't!

Jo!!!!!!!!!!! Don't let Bill see this thread!

:p

Danny, check out Willingham's Shadowpact from DC for Ragman goodness.

[wishlish]

It's all that's left, really...

kdb

Avengers Forever isn't in an OHC book. And it should be, given how beautiful Pacheco's art is. Many of us at MarvelMasterworks are campaigning for that book, too.

[Cam63]

Jeff pretty much encapsulated it.

Basically, Amerindians are lazy, illiterate, alcoholic welfare-mongers who got exactly what they deserved for refusing the true civilization that was offered to them, they live to leech off the productive American taxpayer and the US government should stop coddling them. The US gov't and US Army have never, ever been guilty of undue violence or theft towards this continent's aboriginal inhabitants, and anyone who says otherwise is propagating vile historical revisionism invented by filthy liberals.

When I told him I have Cherokee blood on my mom's side he said something like "Just be glad it ain't in all of you." When anyone asked him to provide evidence for his POV, he changed the subject.

Thus says Rick Olney.

That sounds like him, alright.

[Danny Donovan]

Danny, check out Willingham's Shadowpact from DC for Ragman goodness.


Oh no, I've been reading the book, but so far the Ragman there is still being played as a 'super-hero' instead of a pulp-y horror type thing like I was talking about.

Characters like Ragman, Demon, Phantom Stranger, can't play well in the super-hero paradigm they really need the fantasy/horror/whatever element to them.

I like Shadowpact, it's great to see some of the third stringers being utilized, but it's a lot different than when DC was going to try to do the same concept under "The Sentinals Of Magic" a few years ago after that 5th week event featuring the Spectre, judgement day I think it was.

[Danny Donovan]

Tages[/B];4290692]

Jeff pretty much encapsulated it.

Basically, Amerindians are lazy, illiterate, alcoholic welfare-mongers who got exactly what they deserved for refusing the true civilization that was offered to them, they live to leech off the productive American taxpayer and the US government should stop coddling them. The US gov't and US Army have never, ever been guilty of undue violence or theft towards this continent's aboriginal inhabitants, and anyone who says otherwise is propagating vile historical revisionism invented by filthy liberals.

When I told him I have Cherokee blood on my mom's side he said something like "Just be glad it ain't in all of you." When anyone asked him to provide evidence for his POV, he changed the subject.

Thus says Rick Olney.

Everybody knows that them injuns have had it too good for too long. All we white folk give them, and all they do is bitch and moan. I mean "trail of tears?" we took them on a kickass hike, and we didn't stop because someone's feet were bleeding or the guy in the back died. WE WERE PIONEERS!

we discovered a whole country that already had people on it! And even though the Vikings were here first, we had a flag so we called dibs.

come on, we took all that lousy land with all that nice vegitation and water, and moved them to desert squallers, I mean if they were so one with the planet they'd make those places awesome too.

I mean come on we gave you people Applebees, and you want to bitch about civil liberties being abused? Typical liberal moonbat nonsense!

[Gail Simone]

Jeff pretty much encapsulated it.

Basically, Amerindians are lazy, illiterate, alcoholic welfare-mongers who got exactly what they deserved for refusing the true civilization that was offered to them, they live to leech off the productive American taxpayer and the US government should stop coddling them. The US gov't and US Army have never, ever been guilty of undue violence or theft towards this continent's aboriginal inhabitants, and anyone who says otherwise is propagating vile historical revisionism invented by filthy liberals.

When I told him I have Cherokee blood on my mom's side he said something like "Just be glad it ain't in all of you." When anyone asked him to provide evidence for his POV, he changed the subject.

Thus says Rick Olney.

It is to PUKE.

I can't believe people are still so willfully IGNORANT in this fricking century.

Christ, Rick probably had no Amerind blood and look what a creep HE turned out to be.

Gail

[bert]

Karma will fuck you up the ass if you laugh in its face too long.



only if I've done one too many Jagermeister shots, and all the cute girls had left the party already.

(at least he held me after)

[bert]

oh, and by the way, I got the cutest little shirt in the mail today!

I'd post a picture of me wearing it, but I don't wanna get sued (grins).

at least I have something to wear to CAPE now

[PatrickG]

It is to PUKE.

I can't believe people are still so willfully IGNORANT in this fricking century.

Christ, Rick probably had no Amerind blood and look what a creep HE turned out to be.

Gail

The willfully is the key word.

It's not about conservatism here although I can tell you as someone who had a Rush Limbaugh birthday cake as a teenager why it shows up in conservatism...

The issue here is people adjusting their perception of reality to support their beliefs rather than attuning their beliefs in observation with reality.

"I love America and anyone who has anything negative to say about America must be lying."

"I'll kick your ass for calling my kid a bully!"

etc. etc.

Conservatives favor tradition. And smart ones believe in heritage and tradition, sure, but NOT with the blinders on. Smart conservatism is about sifting through the past and the present for things WORTH preserving and trying to uphold them. However, people too dumb or myopic to do this try to uphold a particular time or place or ideal without giving thought as to what they want to CONSERVE.

However, liberals do this too. It's just usually less noticeable because this kind of devotion is applied to less observable ideas. Like the person who claims that any odd weather front or record temperature is due to manmade global warming. I'm not denying that SOMETIMES this may be true but it's indiscriminate and irresponsible to say that EVERY TIME, to shape your observations upon your beliefs without letting more observations counterbalance your opinions.

What Olney's doing is trying to play up a self-fulfilling Horatio Alger delusion.

"People who are suffering are suffering because they are lazy!"

"Good people are rewarded by God and people who are rewarded are good people!"

And the NDA stuff -- where it appears obvious that he intended and expected to make an unreasonable sum of money to pay people on the back end follows the same flawed, cyclical logic.

"I'm going to pay you to make comic books that people don't know they want so that people will want comic books that will enable me to pay you."

[wishlish]

The willfully is the key word.

It's not about conservatism here although I can tell you as someone who had a Rush Limbaugh birthday cake as a teenager why it shows up in conservatism...

The issue here is people adjusting their perception of reality to support their beliefs rather than attuning their beliefs in observation with reality.

"I love America and anyone who has anything negative to say about America must be lying."

"I'll kick your ass for calling my kid a bully!"

etc. etc.

Conservatives favor tradition. And smart ones believe in heritage and tradition, sure, but NOT with the blinders on. Smart conservatism is about sifting through the past and the present for things WORTH preserving and trying to uphold them. However, people too dumb or myopic to do this try to uphold a particular time or place or ideal without giving thought as to what they want to CONSERVE.

However, liberals do this too. It's just usually less noticeable because this kind of devotion is applied to less observable ideas. Like the person who claims that any odd weather front or record temperature is due to manmade global warming. I'm not denying that SOMETIMES this may be true but it's indiscriminate and irresponsible to say that EVERY TIME, to shape your observations upon your beliefs without letting more observations counterbalance your opinions.

What Olney's doing is trying to play up a self-fulfilling Horatio Alger delusion.

"People who are suffering are suffering because they are lazy!"

"Good people are rewarded by God and people who are rewarded are good people!"

And the NDA stuff -- where it appears obvious that he intended and expected to make an unreasonable sum of money to pay people on the back end follows the same flawed, cyclical logic.

"I'm going to pay you to make comic books that people don't know they want so that people will want comic books that will enable me to pay you."

Can we NOT have a conservatives vs. liberals minithread? Please? Pretty please with sugar on top? I'm going through morphine withdrawal right now, and that's pretty painful. Please don't make it worse.

[PatrickG]

Lo siento!

Apologies for the tangent.

[J. Morgan (Bat) Neal]

Cherokee Tri-UB!!

I would like to take this moment to apologize for being part Cherokee. I certainly hope that I haven't lost the respect of someone like Mr. Olney. I mean he is one of the most honest, literate, and decent people I know. Nothing like my fellow Cherokee brothers. Or my Ulster Scott Brothers. Indeed, I am certain there isn't anyone who rates good enough in Mr. Olney's book.

Just as well I suppose. Who would want to stoop that low?

P.S. Am I correct about the fact that he is possibly disabled? If so I assume there is a seperate standard for recieving welfare in his mind? Just wondering.

[Danny Donovan]

Cherokee Tri-UB!!

I would like to take this moment to apologize for being part Cherokee. I certainly hope that I haven't lost the respect of someone like Mr. Olney. I mean he is one of the most honest, literate, and decent people I know. Nothing like my fellow Cherokee brothers. Or my Ulster Scott Brothers. Indeed, I am certain there isn't anyone who rates good enough in Mr. Olney's book.

Just as well I suppose. Who would want to stoop that low?

P.S. Am I correct about the fact that he is possibly disabled? If so I assume there is a seperate standard for recieving welfare in his mind? Just wondering.

IT'S CORN! NOT MAIZE YOU SAVAGE!

ITS OBVIOUS THAT WHEN WHITE PEOPLE DO THINGS ITS OKAY!

:p

[TheWraith]

Although you know what third stringer I would get a kick out of? Ragman. People never really utilized him to his full creepy potential. (of course up until recently horror comics were out of fashion.) but a dude who absorbs souls of evil people to have them "work off" their deeds by being punching bags. :-p Totally a cool idea. :-p

Pulp, creepy character that makes the evil feel guilty? Forget Ragman, The Wraith (http://www.the-wraith.com) has all that and more, Danny :D ;)

[AaronJ]

OK, wow.

First, Doc and Momma Absurd, that's GREAT news! Congratulations. See, that rat bastard Olney's worst punishment possible is to see people, creators getting together BECAUSE of what an ass he is. I just love it.

I'd make some comment about irony, but it really isn't necessary at this point.

Larry and Mercedes, that's great of you, and it's awesome you found someone with the skills you need because of a smelly, lying, cheating, racist, sociopath acting his role to perfection.

Again, I'd make some comment about irony, but it really isn't necessary at this point.


As to Gail being cloned and writing everything at DC, if this happens, and Mr. Busiek is put off Superman, someone is gonna be extremely unhappy. And that someone, if you haven't figured it out, is me. I mean, Clail can write every other title. Just don't mess with Superman!

Clail. Heh.

[AaronJ]

Oh no, I've been reading the book, but so far the Ragman there is still being played as a 'super-hero' instead of a pulp-y horror type thing like I was talking about.

Even the issue that focused on him? It might not have been pulp-y, but it had definite horror elements running through it.

I thought that was amazing.

[Danny Donovan]

Even the issue that focused on him? It might not have been pulp-y, but it had definite horror elements running through it.

I thought that was amazing.

It's a good book no doubt. I just always invisioned something a bit darker. :)

[AaronJ]

It's a good book no doubt. I just always invisioned something a bit darker. :)

Gotcha. I was just fascinated by the issue that focused on Ragman, explaining how screwed up his situation is, etc.

Darker is always interesting to me, though. I think if I knew more about these characters' pasts I would be able to have a better grasp on what their potential is.

[Danny Donovan]

Gotcha. I was just fascinated by the issue that focused on Ragman, explaining how screwed up his situation is, etc.

Darker is always interesting to me, though. I think if I knew more about these characters' pasts I would be able to have a better grasp on what their potential is.

This looks like a call for Mark Waid! :-p You know now that Kurt Busiek has moved over to DC, he may have to upgrade his encyclopediac knowledge of Marvel Characters for DC ones, and then Waid and Busiek can have a geek off.

Sadly the only honorable thing for the winner is hari kari.

In a nutshell ragman is tied into jewish myth like a golem, sucking bad people's souls into his rags that he "switches around" to take abuse, or to augment his strength/speed/etc.

If they ever went into the lore of it it'd be really interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragman

[wishlish]

Lo siento!

Apologies for the tangent.

Gracias, mi amigo. It's not that I don't agree with your points, it's just that such points can make a contested thread even more contested.

And for the record, y'all: if your doctor ever prescribes you 20-30 days of morphine sulfate because of pain in your right hip, then cuts you off because she doesn't want you to suffer long term effects, be prepared for 3 days of hell. UG. The good news is that the hallucinations were entertaining, and the maniac chills are gone. But I feel like crap. Bleh.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

This looks like a call for Mark Waid! :-p You know now that Kurt Busiek has moved over to DC, he may have to upgrade his encyclopediac knowledge of Marvel Characters for DC ones, and then Waid and Busiek can have a geek off.

Sadly the only honorable thing for the winner is hari kari.

In a nutshell ragman is tied into jewish myth like a golem, sucking bad people's souls into his rags that he "switches around" to take abuse, or to augment his strength/speed/etc.

If they ever went into the lore of it it'd be really interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragman

I'm a Zohar and Crowley-reading, Golem-summoning, Qabballist--just like those two spooky limeys who get all the good books--you know, the hairy one, and the hairless one? I should write Ragman. Yeah--me, an unknown--I should just walk into the offices of DC and demand that they let me. I might even condescend to draw it for them. Or you could keep pestering Mr. Waid and Mr. Busiek with it. :D

Y'know, Joe Kubert created the character--right, Danny? I LOVED that book, in the Middle Ages, when it came out.

But I'm still itchin' to get hold of Brother Power, The Geek, and The Crime Syndicate/Earth Three stuff--and I'm pretty sure I could even do some fairly absurd, eixistential 'Sugar and Spikes', come to think of it. Imagine--getting paid to WRITE comics! I'd have time for my 'dismal, Independent, free 'dated' pencil art giveaway' hobby.
Ahhh...wishful thinkin'...no illusions, here.

D-Danny, anything from Larsen?

Gawd--I might have turned into a bitter, self-pitying asshole while I wasn't looking. I'm gonna go fetal and take some deep breaths, now.

[OzBat!]

I might have turned into a bitter, self-pitying asshole while I wasn't looking.I'm sorry, that position has been filled for this particular thread. And now we're suing him.

[OzBat!]

So, have there been any Rich Olney or orcafresh sightings in the past week? Where's he popped up? Come on people, I need my sitrep, stat!

How about summons served? Any updates or confirmations there?

[PatrickG]

B]The Crime Syndicate/Earth Three[/B] stuff

Interestingly, Morrison groomed this for a spinoff and was a bit surprised that one never materialized.

Joe Kelly seems to be taking some initiative with it now and I'm sure that either he or Kurt Busiek would do a fine job. Though it may actually call for a more Authority/Ultimates flavor to really take off, IMO.

The last time I was really in touch with anyone at DC with any regularity, a writer friend suggested trying to groom a pitch around the Crime Syndicate as an answer to SUPREME POWER.

Personally, I would humbly suggest that when/if you get the chance, dive into the origins of the CSA.

Sure, Columbus discovered Europe who fought a war to overthrow their Amerikan overlords. God is below. The Devil is above. The president is a serial killer.

But some truths remain. The people of the CSA's world are human and driven by human desires even if their sense of up and down is inverted. They have human psychology.

So I think it's really worth considering what makes them tick beyond being evil and having power and abusing it.

Johnny Quick killed his uncle. Clark Kent was rocketed into space and upgraded by Kryptonians into Ultraman. Power Woman is ostensibly Lois Lane after dipping in a magic pool. Power Ring was sought out by the mad monk, Volthoom. Owlman is out for revenge on his father.

And Alexander Luthor is a humanitarian scientist. But in a world where inverted morality WORKS in an inverted fashion, would humanitarian behavior lead to the extinction of the species? Is that what Luthor wants?

We've been given that much. But where to go from there? Where to delve?

And beyond that... SO much room for social commentary ala the 60s Bizarro World stories.

Sorry for the sidebar. Feel free to PM or start a new thread if you want to continue this train of thought.

[the4thpip]

Oh, BTW:

I'm working with Larry Dixon and Mercedes Lackey!

Sorry, had to get that out.

Feck. I'm working with Larry Dixon and Mercedes Lackey . . .




Doc 'Hero Worship' Absurd

Congratulations, Doc.

Now, how do I get Rick O. to fuck me over, so I get to work with Larry and Mercedes, too? :confused:

[Danny Donovan]

I'm a Zohar and Crowley-reading, Golem-summoning, Qabballist--just like those two spooky limeys who get all the good books--you know, the hairy one, and the hairless one? I should write Ragman. Yeah--me, an unknown--I should just walk into the offices of DC and demand that they let me. I might even condescend to draw it for them. Or you could keep pestering Mr. Waid and Mr. Busiek with it. :D

Y'know, Joe Kubert created the character--right, Danny? I LOVED that book, in the Middle Ages, when it came out.

But I'm still itchin' to get hold of Brother Power, The Geek, and The Crime Syndicate/Earth Three stuff--and I'm pretty sure I could even do some fairly absurd, eixistential 'Sugar and Spikes', come to think of it. Imagine--getting paid to WRITE comics! I'd have time for my 'dismal, Independent, free 'dated' pencil art giveaway' hobby.
Ahhh...wishful thinkin'...no illusions, here.

D-Danny, anything from Larsen?

Gawd--I might have turned into a bitter, self-pitying asshole while I wasn't looking. I'm gonna go fetal and take some deep breaths, now.

Nothing from Erik yet but it's barely been two days. :p impatient bastard.

Secondly OF COURSE I know he was created by Kubert! I know all! I am the alpha, the omega, the yin, the yang!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahaahah

Perhaps you could throw yourself on the feet of the hairless one, as you may or may not know the hairy one got his start as his apprentice so to speak. lol.

You do realize you'd make MORE drawing than writing right? :p

Anyway, despite being a ball of nerves and hyperventilating everytime I get a quiet moment to myself I think you're going to break out soon and people will see your awesome art and know of your amazing writing.

Send the Lama somewhere dumbass!

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Interestingly, Morrison groomed this for a spinoff and was a bit surprised that one never materialized.

Joe Kelly seems to be taking some initiative with it now and I'm sure that either he or Kurt Busiek would do a fine job. Though it may actually call for a more Authority/Ultimates flavor to really take off, IMO.

The last time I was really in touch with anyone at DC with any regularity, a writer friend suggested trying to groom a pitch around the Crime Syndicate as an answer to SUPREME POWER.

Personally, I would humbly suggest that when/if you get the chance, dive into the origins of the CSA.

Sure, Columbus discovered Europe who fought a war to overthrow their Amerikan overlords. God is below. The Devil is above. The president is a serial killer.

But some truths remain. The people of the CSA's world are human and driven by human desires even if their sense of up and down is inverted. They have human psychology.

So I think it's really worth considering what makes them tick beyond being evil and having power and abusing it.

Johnny Quick killed his uncle. Clark Kent was rocketed into space and upgraded by Kryptonians into Ultraman. Power Woman is ostensibly Lois Lane after dipping in a magic pool. Power Ring was sought out by the mad monk, Volthoom. Owlman is out for revenge on his father.

And Alexander Luthor is a humanitarian scientist. But in a world where inverted morality WORKS in an inverted fashion, would humanitarian behavior lead to the extinction of the species? Is that what Luthor wants?

We've been given that much. But where to go from there? Where to delve?

And beyond that... SO much room for social commentary ala the 60s Bizarro World stories.

Sorry for the sidebar. Feel free to PM or start a new thread if you want to continue this train of thought.

Yowch. You didn't see TomStillwell's 'Pitch You Event' thread.

In 1984, obviously some decade before Grant Morrison got ahold of it, I had an interesting idea about Earth Three, which, of course, was a year before Marv Wolfman tied up his tidy package. It would have been set twenty four years after 'first contact' with the JLA, who achieve legendary status among resistance fighters against a Totalitarian State set up by The Crime Syndicate of America, with the Resistance including a middle-aged Alexi Luthor and Lois Luthor, a 'Shadow-esque' Joker, a sexually-abused Dick Grayson (by Owlman--who's gone 'Caligula' since the CSA's escape from the cubicle in between dimensions), and essentially casting all the 'Rogues Gallery' and various villains as heroes. The CSA enhance their abilities to control the populace by means of imprisoning and brainwashing 'Starro the Envoy', an Ambassador from a peaceful race of aliens with telepathic powers. It would have been a miniseries, with this alternate Justice League of Earth winning control back to the people of Earth Three, by freeing Starro, and setting up a World Democracy. I submitted samples and a script, plus character designs, but never heard back.

I only eventually skimmed the first Morrison book, but it was kind of a sore spot, even though he's one of my very favorite funnybook writers.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

I'm sorry, that position has been filled for this particular thread. And now we're suing him. Hey! Two minor differences--I have actual talent, in like, reality, and I don't hurt people unnecessarily--in fact, I usually direct blame at myself. :D

[AaronJ]

I would just like to point out that there was a line in one of DC's comics this week that read:

"Any religion that insists you sign a nondisclosure agreement should be considered suspect."

I thought of this thread, and laughed even harder than I would have normally.

[OzBat!]

Hey! Two minor differences--I have actual talent, in like, reality, and I don't hurt people unnecessarily--in fact, I usually direct blame at myself. :DWell, that was kinda my point! You CAN'T fill the bitter self-pitying bastard position. Self-pity is the only kind of pity he's got left. YOU'VE got talent and friends and a healthy respect for how reality works when dealing with people. You're just not suitable and I must reject your application, but feel free to apply for other positions as they become available!

[Cam63]

It is to PUKE.

I can't believe people are still so willfully IGNORANT in this fricking century.

Gail

No shit.

I just watched Kevin Smith on youtube after seeing your JLU Double Date episode ( nice work, btw ) talk about Jon Peter's ideas for the Superman movie way back in the '90s.

Dumb bugger wanted Superman's fortress of solitude guarded by polar bears -- IN ANTARTICA !

He also didn't want Superman to fly or wear the red and blue costume ( 'cause it looked " too faggy " ).

No wonder authors usually hate what Hollywood does to their work.

[JTPencils]

Congrats DocA!

:) I got a message that I finally wore down our own Jim Taylor. ;) Only took so much harassment and blackmail.

God bless you night vision camera with telescopic lense!!!!!

And you will be summarily sued for that too!!! Hold on, I got the name of numbnuts lawyer around here somewhere... (wait, I DON"T... he has none).

Someone mentioned getting a card of some sort from the wing nut... I'm curious if it's the card that he had me draw up for Christmas?? I've got the file, but I can't post it here... if anyone's interested, let me know, I'll forward it along to ya.

I'm off to work, tired and worn out (damn night vision goggles).

[Danny Donovan]

And you will be summarily sued for that too!!! Hold on, I got the name of numbnuts lawyer around here somewhere... (wait, I DON"T... he has none).

Someone mentioned getting a card of some sort from the wing nut... I'm curious if it's the card that he had me draw up for Christmas?? I've got the file, but I can't post it here... if anyone's interested, let me know, I'll forward it along to ya.

I'm off to work, tired and worn out (damn night vision goggles).

The card I got was something he got from the NRA. I've only ever gotten one christmas card from him.

Don't damn the goggles!!!! They are a byproduct of our cultures paranoid delusions!!!!!!!

bwahahahahahahahahahahahha

[Gail Simone]

I'm a Zohar and Crowley-reading, Golem-summoning, Qabballist--just like those two spooky limeys who get all the good books--you know, the hairy one, and the hairless one? I should write Ragman. Yeah--me, an unknown--I should just walk into the offices of DC and demand that they let me. I might even condescend to draw it for them. Or you could keep pestering Mr. Waid and Mr. Busiek with it. :D

Y'know, Joe Kubert created the character--right, Danny? I LOVED that book, in the Middle Ages, when it came out.

But I'm still itchin' to get hold of Brother Power, The Geek, and The Crime Syndicate/Earth Three stuff--and I'm pretty sure I could even do some fairly absurd, eixistential 'Sugar and Spikes', come to think of it. Imagine--getting paid to WRITE comics! I'd have time for my 'dismal, Independent, free 'dated' pencil art giveaway' hobby.
Ahhh...wishful thinkin'...no illusions, here.

D-Danny, anything from Larsen?

Gawd--I might have turned into a bitter, self-pitying asshole while I wasn't looking. I'm gonna go fetal and take some deep breaths, now.


Well, your posts are funny!

Okay, go ahead and write all those books. Just tell DC I said it's okay.

;)

Gail

[Ronée]

Is that a threat or a promise?

---KobenDepends on what you are into and whether you are free sat night ;)

[neil kleid]

I'm a Zohar and Crowley-reading, Golem-summoning, Qabballist--just like those two spooky limeys who get all the good books--you know, the hairy one, and the hairless one? I should write Ragman. Yeah--me, an unknown--I should just walk into the offices of DC...

Wow. That's actually pretty funny - that's basically what I just did on Tuesday, to the letter, sample art in hand.

I'm more of a Lurianic Zohar/Sefer Yetzirah reader, myself.

[Typo Lad]

Anyone who spells is "Qabballist" is a posuer.

So there.

[AIPman1]

Don't make me hug you !

I like hugs! But uh....

[neil kleid]

Anyone who spells is "Qabballist" is a posuer.

So there.

Actually, there three ways to spell it: Qabbalist, Kabbalist and Cabbalist depending on your background. I go with the 'K' one, myself.

You say magical tom-ay-to, i say magical tom-mah-to.

[AIPman1]

Oh I have stories... He was all friendly with Ian, then Ian was the anti-christ, every crash of the server was Ian hacking into it. Ian bugged his computer, Ian called him sobbing asking for forgiveness, Ian was placing SPA spies (which honestly isn't a bad concept, it'd be kind of like Models Inc. meets Nick Fury Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D) in the MMC forums...
My only comment on that is that if having friends tell me when Olney posted lies and slander against me is spying, then I'm guilty. But then, it gave me all the evidence I needed to tell him to shut up and leave me alone at a time when there were still a large contingent of people "on his side". His agenda against the SPA was very hard on our progress, but NOW, I think the road ahead is going to be fine. Again, I thank GAIL for this thread and the magic it has weaved. I wish I had been able to pull it off myself...but I'm just glad his sandcastle finally got the tide it deserved.

[Typo Lad]

No Neill, there's one right way to spell it, and that's in Hebrew.

Everything else is a dirty, dirty transliteration.

And no matter how you parse the gematriah "Neron" is not equal to 666!

Just sayin'

[neil kleid]

No Neill, there's one right way to spell it, and that's in Hebrew.

Everything else is a dirty, dirty transliteration.

And no matter how you parse the gematriah "Neron" is not equal to 666!

Just sayin'

Well, as a Hebrew speaking Yid I agree with the fact that the Hebrew Kuf-Bet-Lamed-Hey spelling is the right way to spell it but as far as transliterating it goes, you've got the "C", "K" and "Q" combos depending where you come from.

That Neron thing is a bunch of bunk. I've been playing with the gematria of the word aleph and elef - the hebrew numbers 1 and 1000. Explore that for a while and a lot of things start to open for you.

[NatGertler]

Dumb bugger wanted Superman's fortress of solitude guarded by polar bears -- IN ANTARTICA !What's wrong with that? I want my Fortress of Gertlertude guarded by polar bears... and I want it in the suburbs of Atlanta.
Those Georgians may think they're prepared for anything, but they ain't never messed with polar bears!
http://www.ufolab.info/Baby%20polar%20bites.jpg (http://www.ufolab.info)

[Gail Simone]

Well, as a Hebrew speaking Yid I agree with the fact that the Hebrew Kuf-Bet-Lamed-Hey spelling is the right way to spell it but as far as transliterating it goes, you've got the "C", "K" and "Q" combos depending where you come from.

That Neron thing is a bunch of bunk. I've been playing with the gematria of the word aleph and elef - the hebrew numbers 1 and 1000. Explore that for a while and a lot of things start to open for you.

You guys are always trying to out-Yiddish each other!

What a couple of dybbuks!

Gail

[neil kleid]

You guys are always trying to out-Yiddish each other!

What a couple of dybbuks!

Gail

"I challenge you....

... to a YIDDISH-OFF!"

"It's a Yiddish-off, people. It's a Yiddish-off."

[Typo Lad]

You guys are always trying to out-Yiddish each other!

What a couple of dybbuks!

Gail
Hebrew, not Yiddish.

Yiddish is a pidgin. In the Old Country, if you spoke Yiddish in Yeshiva your Rebbe would smack you. Now, it's the Lingua Franca of the Yeshiva world, which amuses me to no end.

[neil kleid]

Hebrew, not Yiddish.

Yiddish is a pidgin. In the Old Country, if you spoke Yiddish in Yeshiva your Rebbe would smack you. Now, it's the Lingua Franca of the Yeshiva world, which amuses me to no end.

Dude, you've gotta lighten up ;)

[Typo Lad]

Dude, you've gotta lighten up ;)
Don't macht letzonus at me, you oisforf! I'll give you such a patch.

Ztay shtill!

[TomStillwell]

A shanda fur die goy.

What? My wife is a Jew.

[Typo Lad]

She's teaching you our secret code?

NOOOOOOOOOO!

[neil kleid]

To get this thread back on topic:

That Olney guy is such a schmuck. Not a mentsh at all. It's a shandeh, I tell you.

[Typo Lad]

Olny trancends shandeh. He's a bor b'rishut harabim.

Okay, so technically that means "a pit in a public thoroughfare," but I like the sound of it and it's basically the only thing I remember from Trachtate Baba Kama.

It's not so bad an analogy though, in the context of the Gemarah.

[TCJohnson]

To get this thread back on topic:

That Olney guy is such a schmuck. Not a mentsh at all. It's a shandeh, I tell you.

I think of him more as a scmuck.