Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[Papergirl]

Yes! you don't see any of them coming online to refute it do you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvC5pZnPb0Q
It all makes sense now! They always have been a secretive group... They've been planning the downfall of civilization as we know it all along! "Olney" was just the beginning. There are worse things to come, too! They're planning to add more "Lesters" to our population, aren't they?!

:eek:

~Bev
Who obviously needs sleep...

[Cam63]

9000.

...Yay for the " Bully Board. "

[Danny Donovan]

Abso-tively! I met some of the finest individuals, creators in the Indies and collectors alike, as I'm likely to--many--like you, Doc--along with JoeZ, 'Other Danny', Chuck Rowles and Donald Jackson, I consider friends.

I DO especially miss either completely humiliating or tearing Sam Catalino a new one every couple of days though, and having Rick either edit or delete the whole thread! On politics, it was invariably me against them, with Rick losing his cool at being cornered in his 'logic' almost constantly. Ah, the good times...

Sam e-mailed me on Myspace a few days ago. He's broken ties with Rick as well.

[Danny Donovan]

It all makes sense now! They always have been a secretive group... They've been planning the downfall of civilization as we know it all along! "Olney" was just the beginning. There are worse things to come, too! They're planning to add more "Lesters" to our population, aren't they?!

:eek:

~Bev
Who obviously needs sleep...

Leslies as well. :-p

And yay 9,000. ;) To me that's amazing.

[Cam63]

Aw, shucks ma'am. :blushes, draws circle in the dirt with toe:

I've been looking for that.

*Snatches back missing toe*

[Crowley]

9000.

...Yay for the " Bully Board. "

man, can you BELIEVE the crybabies calling this the "Bully Board"?

ATTN: Crybabies

Rick Olney ripped off honest, hardworking people.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

It was my revenge on you for being a perfectionist and taking forever on those NF pages. ;) Although it worked out well because now we have mark inking and it's a perfect fit.

So you may now live. ;)

Yes Bev, I find I am often a convenient scapegoat. ;)

Well, they didn't take very long once I finally started drawing them--I'd probably draw comics more often, instead of drawing other things, if someone would pay me to do it--like they do for those other things :P
Where's my check? Oh, that's right--I named the main Character (TWICE!), and designed the costume, so as half owner, I'm in the same boat as you!

When did Kep! send the pages to Mr. Larsen?

[Cam63]

As for having a form thank you letter from George Lucas (which I'll believe when I see it), I have a couple such letters from Bryan Singer. Does that mean I wrote The Usual Suspects?

Gail

He wrote you in as Kaiser Sose.

[Cam63]

man, can you BELIEVE the crybabies calling this the "Bully Board"?

ATTN: Crybabies

Rick Olney ripped off honest, hardworking people.

I want to give them all wedgies.

[TCJohnson]

I've been looking for that.

*Snatches back missing toe*

You Australians eat the strangest stuff. Going to put some vegimite on that?

[Danny Donovan]

Well, they didn't take very long once I finally started drawing them--I'd probably draw comics more often, instead of drawing other things, if someone would pay me to do it--like they do for those other things :P
Where's my check? Oh, that's right--I named the main Character (TWICE!), and designed the costume, so as half owner, I'm in the same boat as you!

When did Kep! send the pages to Mr. Larsen?

*I* mailed it. On Friday. ;) priority. It'll be there by Monday afternoon I'm told.

You are the half owner. That was how I tricked... uh, convinced you to come aboard and work for pie.

Oh and give me a message about the round about times Rick did that stuff with the Green Lama so Sarah can add it to her file. ;)

[Papergirl]

Leslies as well. :-p

And yay 9,000. ;) To me that's amazing.
Nonono... The Aussies are to blame for the "Leslies". Because I said so, that's why.

9000 posts about a lying asshat. Whoa! We're a dedicated bunch, aren't we? I think YABS should be described as the Pit Bull of the Internet! ;)

~Bev

[Crowley]

I want to give them all wedgies.

I just gave them one.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=159644&page=201

[Cam63]

You Australians eat the strangest stuff. Going to put some vegimite on that?

It's my toe I lost in a sneek ninja attack, you wanker !

*Packs toe in ice and heads to hospital*

[Cam63]

Nonono... The Aussies are to blame for the "Leslies". Because I said so, that's why.

9000 posts about a lying asshat. Whoa! We're a dedicated bunch, aren't we? I think YABS should be described as the Pit Bull of the Internet! ;)

~Bev

We call Leslies " Lez. "

[JamesRitcheyIII]

It all makes sense now! They always have been a secretive group... They've been planning the downfall of civilization as we know it all along! "Olney" was just the beginning. There are worse things to come, too! They're planning to add more "Lesters" to our population, aren't they?!

:eek:

~Bev
Who obviously needs sleep...

Plotting and doing are two separate things--the Amish's computers SUCK.

First of all, they're Analog, non-electrical, the size of a barn, and it takes 25 Amish to operate them. Secondly, rather than using a motherboard, processor,
Hard Disk, etc., it uses wooden beads--MILLIONS of them, on dozens of 10 square foot wooden frames, with a keyboard attached to cords tied around both the ankles of each of the 'processing' Amish. Translating MS-DOS into Pennsylvania Dutch wasn't as much of a problem as the lag time to process one command, and the fact that their modem thus far is a tin can attached to a string.

[Cam63]

I just gave them one.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=159644&page=201

Thank you for posting that.

[Danny Donovan]

We call Leslies " Lez. "

How interesting! That's what we americans call.....

*random stampede to cover danny's mouth*

what? :-p

Ahh Australia. How I miss the sounds of Men At Work "I come from a land down under..."

Also they gave us Wallaby's and thus Aussie's rock.

[AaronJ]

Plotting and doing are two separate things--the Amish's computers SUCK.

First of all, they're Analog, non-electrical, the size of a barn, and it takes 25 Amish to operate them. Secondly, rather than using a motherboard, processor,
Hard Disk, etc., it uses wooden beads--MILLIONS of them, on dozens of 10 square foot wooden frames, with a keyboard attached to cords tied around both the ankles of each of the 'processing' Amish. Translating MS-DOS into Pennsylvania Dutch wasn't as much of a problem as the lag time to process one command, and the fact that their modem thus far is a tin can attached to a string.

I'd buy one of those in a second.

[Cam63]

How interesting! That's what we americans call.....

*random stampede to cover danny's mouth*

what? :-p

Ahh Australia. How I miss the sounds of Men At Work "I come from a land down under..."

Also they gave us Wallaby's and thus Aussie's rock.

Don't forget funnel web spiders and Tassie devils !

[TCJohnson]

I just gave them one.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=159644&page=201

Is there anybody except for that Matt Algren guy even worrying about it?

[TCJohnson]

It's my toe I lost in a sneek ninja attack, you wanker !

*Packs toe in ice and heads to hospital*



Why would you put vegimite on your own toe? That's just weird.

[Cam63]

Leave vegemite alone, you.

[howyadoin]

man, can you BELIEVE the crybabies calling this the "Bully Board"?Yeah, hard to believe that people on the Comm are allowed to say what's on their minds. Aren't there rules against that?

[Cam63]

Is there anybody except for that Matt Algren guy even worrying about it?

Matt seems like a sheila I knew who cared more for the fact everyone called her ex boyfriend a scum sucking bastard than for the fact he was actually a scum sucking bastard.

[Cam63]

Yeah, hard to believe that people on the Comm are allowed to say what's on their minds. Aren't there rules against that?

Feel free to say what you like.

[Danny Donovan]

Don't forget funnel web spiders and Tassie devils !

As an odd aside, I was REALLY dissapointed when I was a young nipper and found out that the Tazmanian devils didn't look a thing like the one on the Looney Tunes.

What the Hell! That's not a Tazmanian Devil....

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/dannydonovan3/Random/photo5372.jpg

THIS http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/dannydonovan3/Random/taz_bio1.gif is a tazmanian devil.

Next you'll tell me they don't wear clothes, speak like Bing Crosby and say:
"blah, blah, blah, yakkity-shmakkity".

Which, you know is just crazy talk.... because you can see here they really do.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/dannydonovan3/Random/cel12043.jpg

[Cam63]

As an odd aside, I was REALLY dissapointed when I was a young nipper and found out that the Tazmanian devils didn't look a thing like the one on the Looney Tunes.

What the Hell! That's not a Tazmanian Devil....

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/dannydonovan3/Random/photo5372.jpg

THIS http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/dannydonovan3/Random/taz_bio1.gif is a tazmanian devil.

Next you'll tell me they don't wear clothes, speak like Bing Crosby and say:
"blah, blah, blah, yakkity-shmakkity".

Which, you know is just crazy talk.... because you can see here they really do.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/dannydonovan3/Random/cel12043.jpg

*Kicks WB in the balls*

[howyadoin]

Feel free to say what you like.I'm pretty sure that's what we doing, Cam.

As for me, I've asked people a couple of times not to discuss it at Rita's, because I'm sick of the topic, and because we already have a shitload of threads devoted to discussing it. Unfortunately, other people keep stirring the shit up.

Personally, I couldn't think of a stupider thing to get into a bitchfest about, though. So how 'bout it? Can we keep Olneyism and related topics limited to a few threads, or are people obsessive enough to go to war over a perceived slight to Gail's honour?

[Papergirl]

How interesting! That's what we americans call.....

*duct tapes Danny's mouth shut*

:p

~Bev

[TCJohnson]

or are people obsessive enough to go to war over a perceived slight to Gail's honour?

Sure...if you drop the precieved slight to the comboard. :)

[Cam63]

We're hoping justice is served, Howya.

As for " Gail's honour ", we defend her as we would any friend.

[howyadoin]

Sure...if you drop the precieved slight to the comboard.Deal.

We're hoping justice is served, Howya.Justice against Olney, or against the people who say things you disagree with?

As for " Gail's honour ", we defend her as we would any friend.Good on ya. Now tell me, what will that actually achieve in terms of trying to start a flamewar at Rita's?

[Papergirl]

I'm pretty sure that's what we doing, Cam.

*psst* I think Cam was saying he doesn't give a shit one way or another, bro. ;)

As for me, I've asked people a couple of times not to discuss it at Rita's, because I'm sick of the topic, and because we already have a shitload of threads devoted to discussing it. Unfortunately, other people keep stirring the shit up.

Understandable. There will always be shit-stirrers on any message board/forum. I've found, however, that a well-placed blow to the nose(s) of the offender(s) with a rolled up Sunday newspaper does wonders. Or, don't give them the attention they so desperately crave! :D

Personally, I couldn't think of a stupider thing to get into a bitchfest about, though. So how 'bout it? Can we keep Olneyism and related topics limited to a few threads, or are people obsessive enough to go to war over a perceived slight to Gail's honour?

Hrmm? Has someone from here been starting threads about it? If so, I'm unaware of it. At any rate, you're right, it is a stupid thing to get into a bitchfest about. But, I think you're preaching to the choir here. ;)

~Bev

[Crowley]

Yeah, hard to believe that people on the Comm are allowed to say what's on their minds. Aren't there rules against that?

Dude,

level with me here... where did I say they couldn't?
If they can call us YABsers bullies, well like them I have the right to call them crybabies.

Right?

that's what's on my mind... that's what I'm saying...

[TCJohnson]

Deal.



And peace spreads through the land. :)

[Papergirl]

Dude,

level with me here... where did I say they couldn't?
If they can call us YABsers bullies, well like them I have the right to call them crybabies.

Right?

that's what's on my mind... that's what I'm saying...
Sounds fair to me, but I honestly don't see the point in all of this bickering. There's really no need for it. On either side.

~Bev

[Danny Donovan]

*duct tapes Danny's mouth shut*

:p

~Bev

Censorship! Censorship!

I can't believe Cam kicked WB in the balls for Taz-Mania. That was one of the best shows. It ran neck and neck with Tiny Toons in the ratings but WB still axed it.

*sigh* I miss good cartoons.

http://www.retrojunk.com/details_tvshows/442-tazmania

^_^; Also Attack of The Killer Tomatoes was kickass too...

[howyadoin]

Dude,

level with me here... where did I say they couldn't?More of a reference to the idea that people outside of YABS aren't allowed to say what they want, actually.
If they can call us YABsers bullies, well like them I have the right to call them crybabies.

Right?

that's what's on my mind... that's what I'm saying...Fair enough. My point is, I'm trying to keep one of my favourite threads as an Olney-free zone, but as I've stated, people on both sides of the argument keep stirring it up. What would really be nice is if the people in question could have their bitchfest somewhere else (like, say, this thread), so the rest of us don't have to be subjected to it. It's like going to a party and getting into a screaming match with somebody else - regardless of who's right, it ruins the fucking party.

[Papergirl]

Censorship! Censorship!

It's for your own good. Trust me on this!

As long as Cam doesn't kick Bugs Bunny in the balls, it's all good in my book!

~Bev

[TCJohnson]

Good on ya. Now tell me, what will that actually achieve in terms of trying to start a flamewar at Rita's?


I agree. Truth is Gail was rude to some. Now, wether or not they deserved it is another question. But it is one we should just drop.

Gail has probably forgotten about it and they will probably forget about it soon unless people keep stirring it up. Just not worth it, let it drop.

[Crowley]

*psst* I think Cam was saying he doesn't give a shit one way or another, bro. ;)

Understandable. There will always be shit-stirrers on any message board/forum. I've found, however, that a well-placed blow to the nose(s) of the offender(s) with a rolled up Sunday newspaper does wonders. Or, don't give them the attention they so desperately crave! :D

Hrmm? Has someone from here been starting threads about it? If so, I'm unaware of it. At any rate, you're right, it is a stupid thing to get into a bitchfest about. But, I think you're preaching to the choir here. ;)

~Bev

I went over there and posted a reply to Matt because I'm sick of YABS being referred to as the "Bully Board."

The people (Gail, SK, Tom, Mac, you, Mark Waid and many others) here found out bad shit was happening and have offered a tremendous amount of support towards the wronged parties.

So for some people to label us the "Bully Board" in light of that... pisses me off.

Then for them to act like they speak for ALL of CBR is just ridiculous.

[howyadoin]

I agree. Truth is Gail was rude to some. Now, wether or not they deserved it is another question. But it is one we should just drop.

Gail has probably forgotten about it and they will probably forget about it soon unless people keep stirring it up. Just not worth it, let it drop.Exactly what I've been sayin'.

[Crowley]

More of a reference to the idea that people outside of YABS aren't allowed to say what they want, actually.
Fair enough. My point is, I'm trying to keep one of my favourite threads as an Olney-free zone, but as I've stated, people on both sides of the argument keep stirring it up. What would really be nice is if the people in question could have their bitchfest somewhere else (like, say, this thread), so the rest of us don't have to be subjected to it. It's like going to a party and getting into a screaming match with somebody else - regardless of who's right, it ruins the fucking party.

I agree, I apologize to you.

[Cam63]

Deal.

Justice against Olney, or against the people who say things you disagree with?

Justice against Olney of course.

Good on ya. Now tell me, what will that actually achieve in terms of trying to start a flamewar at Rita's?

Who are you accusing ?

[Cam63]

Censorship! Censorship!

I can't believe Cam kicked WB in the balls for Taz-Mania. That was one of the best shows. It ran neck and neck with Tiny Toons in the ratings but WB still axed it.

*sigh* I miss good cartoons.

http://www.retrojunk.com/details_tvshows/442-tazmania

^_^; Also Attack of The Killer Tomatoes was kickass too...

WB cartoons after 1960 sucked.

BIG TIME !

[Papergirl]

More of a reference to the idea that people outside of YABS aren't allowed to say what they want, actually.

Actually, I am going to call bullshit on that, bro. It's not that people outside the YABS board can't say what they want. They can say any damned thing they want, so long as it's within the general forum rules. However, if they say something blatantly stupid, they should expect to be called on it. Just like if I say something stupid here, anyone is welcome to call me on it. It goes both ways.

~Bev

[howyadoin]

Then for them to act like they speak for ALL of CBR is just ridiculous.I don't recall seeing that, but...

I agree, I apologize to you.Me too, to anybody I might've insulted in this thread.

(Other than Olney, obviously.)

[howyadoin]

Actually, I am going to call bullshit on that, bro. It's not that people outside the YABS board can't say what they want. They can say any damned thing they want, so long as it's within the general forum rules.I get that. I was referring to something very specific said in this thread, but obviously this particular tangent is going nowhere, so can we drop this, too?

[Cam63]

I get that. I was referring to something very specific said in this thread, but obviously this particular tangent is going nowhere, so can we drop this, too?

What was said that you disagreed with ?

[howyadoin]

Who are you accusing ?Not an accusation, just a preventative measure.

Which apparently didn't work.

[Papergirl]

I went over there and posted a reply to Matt because I'm sick of YABS being referred to as the "Bully Board."

The people (Gail, SK, Tom, Mac, you, Mark Waid and many others) here found out bad shit was happening and have offered a tremendous amount of support towards the wronged parties.

So for some people to label us the "Bully Board" in light of that... pisses me off.

Then for them to act like they speak for ALL of CBR is just ridiculous.

Ah, okay. For some reason, I was getting the impression that whole new threads had been started about it.

Seriously, Crowley? I don't even pay attention to people who insist on creating drama. If the absolute best "insult" they can come up with is calling us bullies, it's not worth giving them the reaction and attention they want.

~Bev

[Cam63]

Not an accusation, just a preventative measure.

Which apparently didn't work.

Apparently.

[Papergirl]

I get that. I was referring to something very specific said in this thread, but obviously this particular tangent is going nowhere, so can we drop this, too?
Well, frankly, it's an untrue accuation I've seen tossed around about the YABS board before. And I am just clearing the air on it. Again.

And, yes, it can be dropped.

~Bev

[Cam63]

Ah, okay. For some reason, I was getting the impression that whole new threads had been started about it.

Seriously, Crowley? I don't even pay attention to people who insist on creating drama. If the absolute best "insult" they can come up with is calling us bullies, it's not worth giving them the reaction and attention they want.

~Bev

...but I was in " wedgie " mode !

[Danny Donovan]

It's for your own good. Trust me on this!

As long as Cam doesn't kick Bugs Bunny in the balls, it's all good in my book!

~Bev

Alright, if it's for my own good....

Cam can't kick Bugs, that's why he keeps Daffy around. Put some bunny ears on him and BOOM. instant target.

and I'll admit that WB has yet to come up with something that RIVALS its cartoons from the 60s but Animaniacs was good TV.

So was Tiny Toons.

The Lunatics Unleashed stuff I can do without, the Bootsy Collins theme song notwithstanding.

[Papergirl]

WB cartoons after 1960 sucked.

BIG TIME !
You better NOT be including Bugs Bunny in that...

~Bev

[howyadoin]

Well, frankly, it's an untrue accuation...Indeed. I mean, I'm still here.

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

You better NOT be including Bugs Bunny in that...

~Bev

I second this. WB kicked butt until the 80s. The peak may have been the 60s but there are still a few gems post that.

JP

[Papergirl]

Alright, if it's for my own good....

WOOT! Now, if only I could get Lester to agree to have his mouth duct taped! ;)

and I'll admit that WB has yet to come up with something that RIVALS its cartoons from the 60s but Animaniacs was good TV.

So was Tiny Toons.

I love you for that. Especially the Animaniacs!

~Bev

[Cam63]

WOOT! Now, if only I could get Lester to agree to have his mouth duct taped! ;)



I love you for that. Especially the Animaniacs!

~Bev

Shhhh !

Be vewy, vewy quiet...

I'm huntin' Animaniacs ! ...Haw-haw-haw-haw !

[Cam63]

You better NOT be including Bugs Bunny in that...

~Bev

Bugs was the saving grace.

The rest sucked like a Hoover on speed.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

WB cartoons after 1960 sucked.

BIG TIME !

Never watched Taz, and I think the quality of it might have been distorted by the lens of Danny's young eyes--it just never looked interesting to me.

After Chuck Jones departed for MGM, I agree things got EVIL BAD, but they got good again with Tiny Toons and Animaniacs (which were funny as hell--regardless of the mundaneness of the animation)--just never to the level of Michael Maltese and Jones together--no one has surpassed them--although, outside of WB, Krisfalusi has come closest in doing stylistically original work of a similar quality.
McKimson? Freleng? I never gave two sqeaking shits about them--though McKimson had a genius animator under him that could/should have freaking ruled the animation world--just can't remember his name right now.

[MacQuarrie]

As for having a form thank you letter from George Lucas (which I'll believe when I see it), I have a couple such letters from Bryan Singer. Does that mean I wrote The Usual Suspects?

Gail

No, my semi-cousin Christopher McQuarrie did. His great-grandfather was my great grandfather's brother, If I have the facts right. I'll have to go look.

[the4thpip]

It's still Diamond.

While *some* publishers do still use the *mainstream* players like Ingram, more and more, they have started giving exclusive distribution rights to Diamond for a little bit of a direct market push, not realizing that the direct market should not be your first choice.

The direct market was, and should always be a secondary market. It's for getting back issues, other periphials, and while at the same time allowing you access to the current catalogue of products. The direct market was always for when you were already in the door as a consumer. The mass market is your stepping stone to the market.

In the mass market, diamond is still a very small player in the long run. And book stores are often times hesitant to open an account with a new group when they can service the same clientel via the few options provided to them from the major distributors like Ingram, Ubiquity, etc.

It's hard to gauge sales from an individual perspective, because the diamond top 100/300/whatever only covers what Diamond distributes, (naturally) and it's only what's ordered by the stores, not what's bought by consumers. Due to the fact there's no return, you have no gauge as to what's getting a sell through and what is being gambled on selling well from a retailer

There is a larger market that a lot of major publishers ignore because its easier to be a big fish in a small pond than to be a small, but growing fish in the ocean.

Both B&N and amazon now have bestseller lists for graphic novels and trades on their web site. It's not a perfect system, I guess it is computer-generated and there are usually some things on there I would not count, and a lot of it is newspaper strip collections. But if you filter those out, it's still interesting to see what sells for them.

[Papergirl]

Shhhh !

Be vewy, vewy quiet...

I'm huntin' Animaniacs ! ...Haw-haw-haw-haw !

*raises an eyebrow at Cam and whacks his nose with a rolled up Sunday NY Times*

Bugs was the saving grace.

The rest sucked like a Hoover on speed.

Bugs, Animaniacs and Tiny Toons, you mean...

:p

~Bev

[AaronJ]

*raises an eyebrow at Cam and whacks his nose with a rolled up Sunday NY Times*

~Bev

Man, that just *has* to hurt something wicked.

[Cam63]

I believe I said, " Bugs was the saving grace ! "

[Reverend Smooth]

Plotting and doing are two separate things--the Amish's computers SUCK.

First of all, they're Analog, non-electrical, the size of a barn, and it takes 25 Amish to operate them.

I am reminded of the VAX that a friend acquired from a friend so we could all get online at the same time in 199...4? Ish.

Kept the house warm in winter, since it took up half the living room. Good times, good times.

[Cam63]

Man, that just *has* to hurt something wicked.

Damn, the mozzies are big this year.

[Danny Donovan]

WOOT! Now, if only I could get Lester to agree to have his mouth duct taped! ;)



I love you for that. Especially the Animaniacs!

~Bev

Yay! I'm loved!

I was a HUGE fan of Animaniacs. And Tiny Toons.

I may be looking at 'mania through the eyes of my childhood but I do remember it was damn funny, chock full of weird pop culture references and like animaniacs a lot of blowing the living hell out of the 4th wall.

We now return to Dot's Poetry Corner.

[PatrickG]

Ah, okay. For some reason, I was getting the impression that whole new threads had been started about it.

Seriously, Crowley? I don't even pay attention to people who insist on creating drama. If the absolute best "insult" they can come up with is calling us bullies, it's not worth giving them the reaction and attention they want.

~Bev

I did a search and found the discussions on it.

Meh.

I think a lot of people have their knickers in a twist over the implications of an (essentially) unmoderated forum. I think it's absurd to suggest that a banning is somehow preferable to a chance for a confrontation and apparently some people still feel slighted over a thread from four months ago calling out one of their own on a lousy comment he made.

I'll take a quasi-stable anarchy over the community that would be dished out if these boards became "civilized".

Nobody's disagreeing that Olney's a dick and a cheat, near as I can tell. It IS somewhat of a shame that some people's eyes glazed over reading this thread and didn't realize that we're talking upwards of a $100,000 in unpaid debts, fraud and terroristic threats when, IMO, the worst any YABSer has sunk to is nasty words.

But, honestly, I think the Commers are being dicks about this thread. I find their attitude distasteful and disagree wholeheartedly with the shotgun judgment that many of them have made about YABS (one calling it a "stain on CBR"). They seem to think of YABS as a clique.

Personally, I think of the Community forum as the clique. I don't care for the armchair approach they've taken to this when they could actually confront Gail or any of us in a thread here without fear of being banned and they haven't.

But... 'Nuff said. I suppose I won't post there and some of them won't post here. So it goes.

Now... Back to your scheduled Olney investigation and/or the wonderful interludes between. We can hit 1,000 pages by next week!

[howyadoin]

They seem to think of YABS as a clique.

Personally, I think of the Community forum as the clique.Hilarious. I'd give you shit for trying to stir up more useless bullshit, but the ridiculousnes and hypocrisy of those statements speak for themselves.

[MacQuarrie]

Dude,

level with me here... where did I say they couldn't?
If they can call us YABsers bullies, well like them I have the right to call them crybabies.

Right?

that's what's on my mind... that's what I'm saying...

Remember, the people on the Community Forum have no grasp of the concept of sticking up for their friends. Loyalty is a null concept there.

For example, suppose a bunch of assholes set out to disrupt the CBR forums as much as they possibly could, as they had on several other forums around the net, which culminated in an all-out flame attack on one of their members that got so bad the entire board had to be completely wiped and rebooted.

Now suppose that there was a thread a few years later devoted to the history of CBR, and one of those assholes showed up to gloat about his assholery.

Suppose that when confronted with the facts of his previous behavior, said asshole trivialized his conduct and tried to pretend that the full extent of the several-day-long personal attack on one member of the Community forum (which involved a constant stream of vulgar abuse, threats and personal insults) consisted of once calling that person "a maroon."

Now suppose that numerous members of the forum, who were present for the flamewar and watched it happen, all happened to be posting in the thread where this bit of reality revision was occurring.

What should their response be?

If there were a functioning moral compass to the place, wouldn't somebody, some one member of the forum, back up the victim of the attack and verify that what happened was not the mild incident that the perpetrator described? Might not one of them acknowledge that the person who had been subjected to constant non-stop abuse for days on end might have had a point in reacting badly to the asshole's smug and self-congratulatory return to the forum in that particular "happy memories" thread?

Might there not have been some display of loyalty to a friend? Or even some display of a passing respect for honesty?

Fuck the Community Forum. You want to see a hive-mind, it's over there, not here.

[howyadoin]

Fuck the Community Forum. You want to see a hive-mind, it's over there, not here.
Way to raise the bar, Jim. I'm part of the Community Forum. If you've got a beef with me, then come right out and say it.

And if you don't, then stop acting like a child.

[Cam63]

*Puts a dozen cold beers on the bar*

[MacQuarrie]

Way to raise the bar, Jim. I'm part of the Community Forum. If you've got a beef with me, then come right out and say it.

And if you don't, then stop acting like a child.

Were you present when the Monkey Alliance trashed the Comm board and personally attacked me for several days?

Were you present when that asshole came into the 10th anniversary thread to laugh about it?

Were you present when he lied through his teeth about what he and his idiot friends did to me?

Did you see anybody back me up at all or defend me in any way?

If you were there for the original attack, and you were there for the asshole's return, and you didn't say anything on my behalf, then yes, I have a beef with you.

But more than that, I have a beef with the mindset of the Community Forum. I had what I feel is a legitimate complaint about the Monkey Alliance, and when one of them showed up to gloat, all anybody had to say about it was to give me shit for spoiling their fun memory thread. Fuck 'em.

[MacQuarrie]

And I'll continue to say that until I get a personal apology from everyone who was there and knew what happened and still fucked me over in that thread.

Hell yes I'm bitter.

[howyadoin]

Were you present when the Monkey Alliance trashed the Comm board and personally attacked me for several days?No, I wasn't. I didn't join CBR till 2000.

But thanks for the blanket condemnation anyway, "buddy".

[Cam63]

Who's for a beer ?

[MacQuarrie]

No, I wasn't. I didn't join CBR till 2000.

But thanks for the blanket condemnation anyway, "buddy".
My buddies would have had my back and maybe acknowledged that I might have been voicing a legitimate complaint instead of accusing me of pissing in the punchbowl.

[howyadoin]

My buddies would have had my back and maybe acknowledged that I might have been voicing a legitimate complaint instead of accusing me of pissing in the punchbowl.Christ, I give up. But by all means, keep dwelling on a flamewar from a decade ago if it makes you happy.

Me, I'm obviously just an asshole and could stand to learn from the shining example you've set here tonight.

[MacQuarrie]

Christ, I give up. But by all means, keep dwelling on a flamewar from a decade ago if it makes you happy.

Me, I'm obviously just an asshole and could stand to learn from the shining example you've set here tonight.

I'm not dwelling on a flamewar from a decade ago. I'm dwelling on getting screwed over by people I thought were my friends last May.

[PatrickG]

See... I think things like this are valid arguments that need to be had. IMO, modding buries things that need to be confronted and addressed before they fester.

Sorry, howy, I think burying this argument altogether is NOT productive nor is being quiet nor is ignoring the issue.

I would suggest -- SUGGEST -- moving this discussion to another thread so that the Quest for Olney can continue without distraction. But I don't think it needs to be buried or ignored or set aside.

If people want to sit in their armchairs and critique the words and actions of people on these boards on the same message board system as YABS, I think it's fair and valid for people at YABS to respond.

Gail PROMOTES dialogue: good, bad or ugly.

It might be a momentary unpleasantry if people were willing to come here and disagree and engage in some thoughtful discussion instead of standing back and judging. But it would be the right thing to do.

Burying a disagreement without any attempt at resolving it is spineless internet crap -- on the same spectrum with people who troll behind pseudonyms.

So while I'm done with talking about it in this thread, I'm not going to shut up for the sake of tranquility when I see respected members of the CBR community flipping their shit over the idea of an unmoderated forum.

I think I've been one of the more restrained people on this thread.

But FUCK if anybody can insult Jim, Gail, Waid, a bunch of screwed creators and the YABS crew and we're not supposed to talk about it. FUCK that. They can say what they want but words have consequences; THAT is why banning isn't necessary. In this case, the consequence is that when you talk about people within earshot, they respond to you.

Excuse me, I've derailed this thread enough. I'll be sharing my thoughts in a separate thread.

[howyadoin]

I'm not going to shut up for the sake of tranquility when I see respected members of the CBR community flipping their shit over the idea of an unmoderated forum.Who's flipping their shit, exactly? I saw you trolling and called you on it.

[OMAR]

The Monkey Alliance?

[howyadoin]

I'm not dwelling on a flamewar from a decade ago. I'm dwelling on getting screwed over by people I thought were my friends last May.And if you were any kind of a friend to them, you wouldn't have been so quick to walk away.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

I gotsta tell ya, having defended an innocent man single-handedly against about 25 people and a moderator--from a metaphorical lynch-mob on Millarworld, in a nasty thread about him, based on a lie, this is all extremely civilized by comparison. I love the fact that Rick is about as freaking despicable as a human can be, having screwed me career-wise and many people here money-wise, and we're fighting the good fight, and even that we may all be a little insane, albeit more or less healthy about it. I'm new here--and I like it here--we're all healing the same wound, and are being treated ethically by those who haven't, but can empathize. I just don't know if the misplaced anger and recriminations over a perceived slight, and this 'us versus them' bullshit with community is anything but the polar opposite of healthy. Like I've said, I've seen adversarial positions between whole forums get so blown out of proportion, that one completely 'hate-bombed' another with hundreds of posts--based on the above implied fabrication. If somebody needs to apologize, apologize--don't keep being defensive about it, and retaliating. somebody wants to bitch about YABS, not knowing shit about it, invite them over to read what's really going on, instead of the fucking immature nonsense.

Having said that, what am I missing? If somebody has done something to slight anyone here, I'd love to confront them with rational argument--THEN set up the stake! :D

[howyadoin]

I just don't know if the misplaced anger and recriminations over a perceived slight, and this 'us versus them' bullshit with community is anything but the polar opposite of healthy.You're totally right, James. And I thought we'd pretty much buried the hatchet tonight, but as I said earlier, people seem to be determined to keep stirring shit up.

Obviously I should just walk away and be more thick-skinned when the insults are flying.

[MacQuarrie]

And if you were any kind of a friend to them, you wouldn't have been so quick to walk away.
I wasn't so quick to walk away. They made it clear that they would rather catch up on old time with the asshole who tried to shut the place down. They told me I was spoiling their fun thread. Not one of them had the decency to say "wait a minute, Mac's not spoiling the thread; this other asshole who came in to laugh about being an asshole is the one spoiling the thread."

I got a nice PM from Solaris asking about my mental health, but none of the people who were there and knew what happened could be bothered to say one single word on my behalf. Not even mildly, as in, "I think Mac is overreacting, but (asshole whose name I forgot} is not telling the truth about what went down."

Not one.

I still talk to some of them here or in PM. I've even made a few tentative steps back into the Comm forum. Every time I do, I'm reminded of why I left.

[howyadoin]

I wasn't so quick to walk away.Well, you sure were quick to imply that I'm a backstabbing prick.

[Tages]

Remember, the people on the Community Forum have no grasp of the concept of sticking up for their friends. Loyalty is a null concept there.

For example, suppose a bunch of assholes set out to disrupt the CBR forums as much as they possibly could, as they had on several other forums around the net, which culminated in an all-out flame attack on one of their members that got so bad the entire board had to be completely wiped and rebooted.

Now suppose that there was a thread a few years later devoted to the history of CBR, and one of those assholes showed up to gloat about his assholery.

Suppose that when confronted with the facts of his previous behavior, said asshole trivialized his conduct and tried to pretend that the full extent of the several-day-long personal attack on one member of the Community forum (which involved a constant stream of vulgar abuse, threats and personal insults) consisted of once calling that person "a maroon."

Now suppose that numerous members of the forum, who were present for the flamewar and watched it happen, all happened to be posting in the thread where this bit of reality revision was occurring.

What should their response be?

If there were a functioning moral compass to the place, wouldn't somebody, some one member of the forum, back up the victim of the attack and verify that what happened was not the mild incident that the perpetrator described? Might not one of them acknowledge that the person who had been subjected to constant non-stop abuse for days on end might have had a point in reacting badly to the asshole's smug and self-congratulatory return to the forum in that particular "happy memories" thread?

Might there not have been some display of loyalty to a friend? Or even some display of a passing respect for honesty?

Fuck the Community Forum. You want to see a hive-mind, it's over there, not here.

I seem to recall you very specifically insulting me for my loyalty to one of my friends just about a year ago, then going on to insult him as well as several of my other friends.

That was cute of you, Mac.

[Cam63]

Olney would be giggling like a loon at this.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Olney would be giggling like a loon at this.
A-freaking--men.

[kingdom2000]

The way a board thread can move around a central topic but go out on seperate tributaries before joining again, then seperating, and so forth. This is why message boards can truly an interesting place to interact with others.

[the4thpip]

But, honestly, I think the Commers are being dicks about this thread. I find their attitude distasteful and disagree wholeheartedly with the shotgun judgment that many of them have made about YABS (one calling it a "stain on CBR").


Worse yet, somebody compared it to the Byrne Board! :eek:

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Worse yet, somebody compared it to the Byrne Board! :eek:

They're just jealous--as a group, we're prettier, smarter, more talented and have more freedom to say what we feel, than every other board combined! We're--just better than they are. We were born this way--we can't help it.
:D

[Gail Simone]

I'm pretty sure that's what we doing, Cam.

As for me, I've asked people a couple of times not to discuss it at Rita's, because I'm sick of the topic, and because we already have a shitload of threads devoted to discussing it. Unfortunately, other people keep stirring the shit up.

Personally, I couldn't think of a stupider thing to get into a bitchfest about, though. So how 'bout it? Can we keep Olneyism and related topics limited to a few threads, or are people obsessive enough to go to war over a perceived slight to Gail's honour?

I have no idea what you're talking about here, Howya, but if people are tut-tutting me elsewhere at CBR, that's hardly new stuff, and barely even worth noticing. I certainly don't want anyone fighting over it, as I honestly only pay attention when it's brought up to me and then only to laugh about it. The comm board has often been shocked, SHOCKED, I SAY, at my behavior, and I frankly find it not my sort of place, as well.

No more reason for the boards to clash than a marshmallow and a turnip.

Gail

[AaronJ]

They're just jealous--as a group, we're prettier, smarter, more talented and have more freedom to say what we feel, than every other board combined! We're--just better than they are. We were born this way--we can't help it.
:D

You're a very dangerous man, I think.

[Charles RB]

They seem to think of YABS as a clique.

Personally, I think of the Community forum as the clique.

So, basically it's "I know you are but what am I"?

Who's for a beer ?

Only if we get one of those littled roasted salty peanut packets with it.

[Gail Simone]

Okay, look, I haven't gone to read any of the threads about this elsewhere here at CBR. I'm just not hugely interested. I'm not crazy about the comm board, never have been, and they're usually poo-pooing something or other over here, as well. It's just silly. It doesn't mean there aren't good people at both places or any such nonsense. I get irritated reading stuff there just as some of them find this place distasteful or whatever.

I can't sit here and weep bitter tears that a couple people on this thread (whom I thought were being jerks) went elsewhere to complain about it when I was vaguely, and not particularly brutally, tart in response. They're entitled to whine about it elsewhere or whatever goofy thing they choose to do about it. It's fine, who cares? It's certainly not worth arguing about.

Howya and Mac and Patrick, you're all good guys and you all know right from wrong, you simply disagree about something. It's fleeting, it's ephemeral, and it's all based on defending people you like. I hate the 'clique' charge myself and find it usually placed unfairly on the heads of people who simply disagree with the accuser.

I would ask everyone to take a little step back, hate to see good folks argue unnecessarily.

PARTICULARLY, I hate to see anyone get into an argument at another board on my account. It's simply not worth the bother. I appreciate the sentiment, but someone's always going to be wagging their fingers in shame at me, and I'm perfectly fine with it. ;)

Everyone ease up on the throttle, if you would, no sense in friends arguing over things that could easily be talked out by pm or email.

Best,

Gail

[Gail Simone]

They're just jealous--as a group, we're prettier, smarter, more talented and have more freedom to say what we feel, than every other board combined! We're--just better than they are. We were born this way--we can't help it.
:D

Well, of course, THIS is true. Well said! ;)

Gail

[OzBat!]

He shall go FAR in the YABS clique obliarchy!

[Danny Donovan]

You're a very dangerous man, I think.


You have no earthly idea... :-p

He's the devil you know.

[Gail Simone]

Let me make this simple for everyone, so no one's feelings are hurt anywhere.

Just be mad at me.

Go on, be mad at ME. It's fun, and lord knows it's easy!

I can take it, in fact I usually forget about it five minutes later due to having a brain like a sieve. Don't be mad at each other when it's MUCH more fun and rewarding to be mad at MEEEEEEEEEEEE!

:)

Problem solved!

Gail

[Charles RB]

Just be mad at me.


I knew you were personally responsible for the bad weather here...

[the4thpip]

Let me make this simple for everyone, so no one's feelings are hurt anywhere.

Just be mad at me.

Go on, be mad at ME. It's fun, and lord knows it's easy!

I can take it, in fact I usually forget about it five minutes later due to having a brain like a sieve. Don't be mad at each other when it's MUCH more fun and rewarding to be mad at MEEEEEEEEEEEE!

:)

Problem solved!

Gail

Methinks I'll start a thread.

[Tom]

Fuck the Community Forum. You want to see a hive-mind, it's over there, not here.

There are - at most - about 15 current posting members of CBR who were posting at the time of that flamewar (I'm not one of them, by the way). Of those 15, I'd wager most of them don't have clear memories of it, since it was over 8 years ago. Of those 15, no more than 3 or 4 were posting in the thread you referenced. So 3 or 4 people who may or may not have clear memories of the incident are your basis for impugning an entire board of people numbering in the hundreds who have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what you're talking about.

[Gail Simone]

Worse yet, somebody compared it to the Byrne Board! :eek:

Okay, that's a bit weird.

We don't ban, censor or edit, and we've had every kind of troll stop by and be welcomed. Cthonic Spirit regularly insults everything about me from my writing to my choice of socks.

Anyway, as part of my new BLAME GAIL FOR EVERYTHING campaign, I have to say we're off to a rousing start!

Global warming? I did it. Sorry.

Arrested Development cancelled? Sorry, that was a typo.

BLAME ME! :)

Gail

[Gail Simone]

There are - at most - about 15 current posting members of CBR who were posting at the time of that flamewar (I'm not one of them, by the way). Of those 15, I'd wager most of them don't have clear memories of it, since it was over 8 years ago. Of those 15, no more than 3 or 4 were posting in the thread you referenced. So 3 or 4 people who may or may not have clear memories of the incident are your basis for impugning an entire board of people numbering in the hundreds who have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what you're talking about.

Do we REALLY have to have an ACTUAL boardwar?

Because I honestly can't think of anything stupider. Some people from here don't like it there, some from there don't like it here.

I honest to god don't get why that's the least bit meaningful. It just seems perfectly natural to me.

Gail

[David O Burcham]

Anyway, as part of my new BLAME GAIL FOR EVERYTHING campaign, I have to say we're off to a rousing start!

Global warming? I did it. Sorry.

Arrested Development cancelled? Sorry, that was a typo.

BLAME ME! :)

Gail


Just as long as you aren't the one responsible for season six of The Sopranos.

[Tom]

Do we REALLY have to have an ACTUAL boardwar?

Because I honestly can't think of anything stupider. Some people from here don't like it there, some from there don't like it here.

I honest to god don't get why that's the least bit meaningful. It just seems perfectly natural to me.

Gail

I totally agree. I'm just setting the record straight on Mac's accusations.

[AaronJ]

You have no earthly idea... :-p

He's the devil you know.

I figured as much.

But ... wait ... didn't someone earlier determine that YOU are to blame for everything?

Now I'm confused as all get out.

[Gail Simone]

I totally agree. I'm just setting the record straight on Mac's accusations.

I'm sure Mac's aware of the passage of time, Tom, and I don't mean that to sound sarcastic. Me, I'm happy to be a stain. I think it's awesome. ;)

Gail

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Well, of course, THIS is true. Well said! ;)

Gail

Hey, Rick only career-sabotaged and attempted to financially ruin the best people he could find!

[Tom]

I'm sure Mac's aware of the passage of time, Tom, and I don't mean that to sound sarcastic. Me, I'm happy to be a stain. I think it's awesome. ;)

Gail

It's not the passage of time; it's that he's assuming there is a large group of people who remember it, devoid of any evidence.

[Gail Simone]

It's not the passage of time; it's that he's assuming there is a large group of people who remember it, devoid of any evidence.

Where did he assume that? And what evidence does he need beyond his own memory of the event (which I didn't witness, for the record)?

This seems very detour-like to me, but as per the stated policy, people can say whatever they want. But it does sound like something best handled by email, maybe?

Gail

[Paul Newell]

Remember, the people on the Community Forum have no grasp of the concept of sticking up for their friends. Loyalty is a null concept there.

For example, suppose a bunch of assholes set out to disrupt the CBR forums as much as they possibly could, as they had on several other forums around the net, which culminated in an all-out flame attack on one of their members that got so bad the entire board had to be completely wiped and rebooted.

Now suppose that there was a thread a few years later devoted to the history of CBR, and one of those assholes showed up to gloat about his assholery.

Suppose that when confronted with the facts of his previous behavior, said asshole trivialized his conduct and tried to pretend that the full extent of the several-day-long personal attack on one member of the Community forum (which involved a constant stream of vulgar abuse, threats and personal insults) consisted of once calling that person "a maroon."

Now suppose that numerous members of the forum, who were present for the flamewar and watched it happen, all happened to be posting in the thread where this bit of reality revision was occurring.

What should their response be?

If there were a functioning moral compass to the place, wouldn't somebody, some one member of the forum, back up the victim of the attack and verify that what happened was not the mild incident that the perpetrator described? Might not one of them acknowledge that the person who had been subjected to constant non-stop abuse for days on end might have had a point in reacting badly to the asshole's smug and self-congratulatory return to the forum in that particular "happy memories" thread?

Might there not have been some display of loyalty to a friend? Or even some display of a passing respect for honesty?

Fuck the Community Forum. You want to see a hive-mind, it's over there, not here.
Well I don't really count as a member of the Comm Board, as I rarely post there...Plus I missed all the crap that went down in that thread as it was the middle of the night and by the time I logged on the whole debacle was gone from the thread and so were you from CBR. When you came back, to YABS, and eventually temp modded here for awhile it was all in the past, so I never really commented.

I think you were wrong.

I was involved in the whole COTY debacle just as much as you were...And, for that involvement, had a great deal more abuse and venom poured out at me for getting them banned. And the situation was never as rosy-coloured as Mushmouth made it out to be in the CBR Memories thread, but then it was never as maniacal as you make it out to be, either. Of course they were making fun of you while it was all happening, they were making mischief for the hell of it...I never remember it being malicious abuse. They made fun of you and called you silly names. Both you and Mushmouth remember the situation from either extremes. It was never a light-hearted, fun-filled romp, nor was it ever a vindictive, hate-filled screed. The situation was somewhere in-between.

As to the second incident, all I saw was someone who had been petty and stupid, but had grown up and moved on...And another, who should've known better, not let go of the perceived insults of the past and unleash his bitter rage to no good purpose. Mushmouth never gloated, he was doing the exact same thing as everyone else, reliving the past...His version, sure, but still seeing it as the past. Nobody verified your version because it was just as misguided as Mushmouth's version. your emotion was colouring your memories just as much. What you said happened and I will back you up on that, but never to the degree that you see it today. They were idiots. Stupid idiots that did stupid things. they annoyed me so much I spent way too many man-hours tracking them down on the net, harassing them back, getting boards closed and, eventually, getting them banned when I posted their secret conversations. I also raged about them constantly....Back then....But that's the past.

I won't back you up on you're actions in that thread, however. It's been long enough that I can see how stupid the whole thing was and it literally means nothing today, particularly as none of them are here anymore. I think you should too.

[Paul Newell]

But it does sound like something best handled by email, maybe?
Crap, sorry. that's what i get for taking WAY too long to type.

[Gail Simone]

Crap, sorry. that's what i get for taking WAY too long to type.

It's fine, I was just suggesting.

Gail

[Tom]

Where did he assume that? And what evidence does he need beyond his own memory of the event (which I didn't witness, for the record)?"Evidence" referred to the idea that there were people reading that thread who had clear memories of an 8-year-old flamewar. There was no evidence that anyone did. He assumed as much in his accusation that people didn't stand up for him when they should have. People didn't stand up for him because for the most part, no one had any idea what he was talking about.

The only reason I'm here saying this is because Jim made it quite clear in previous rants on the topic that I am one of the people to which he refers and that he no longer considers me a friend because of it. Fine by me; I tend not to befriend people who place conditions on their friendship, but since he brought it up, I'm setting the record straight. I was not a poster at the time of the flamewar to which he is referring. 99.999% of the people at CBR weren't.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

I figured as much.

But ... wait ... didn't someone earlier determine that YOU are to blame for everything?

Now I'm confused as all get out.

I DO get the blame, usually, but I'm redirecting hostility towards Danny--especially since he really IS responsible for every evil committed in human history. No--really--I swear! Try blaming Danny--IT FEELS GOOD. Gail, don't take the blame for the Fall of Western Civilization from those Comm Puritans because of this board--Danny's like a Sin-Eater!

[Gail Simone]

"Evidence" referred to the idea that there were people reading that thread who had clear memories of an 8-year-old flamewar. There was no evidence that anyone did. He assumed as much in his accusation that people didn't stand up for him when they should have. People didn't stand up for him because for the most part, no one had any idea what he was talking about.

The only reason I'm here saying this is because Jim made it quite clear in previous rants on the topic that I am one of the people to which he refers and that he no longer considers me a friend because of it. Fine by me; I tend not to befriend people who place conditions on their friendship, but since he brought it up, I'm setting the record straight. I was not a poster at the time of the flamewar to which he is referring. 99.999% of the people at CBR weren't.



He didn't say that they were, Tom, as you know full well. He said 'numerous' people from that time were there. No point making an argument if you have to change the meaning of what Mac said to do so.

I never saw this incident and have no idea about it. But clearly, Mac's experience at the comm board was bad and he's not going to be argued out of feeling that way, particularly if his words are going to be misconstrued, however unintentionally.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

I DO get the blame, usually, but I'm redirecting hostility towards Danny--especially since he really IS responsible for every evil committed in human history. No--really--I swear! Try blaming Danny--IT FEELS GOOD. Gail, don't take the blame for the Fall of Western Civilization from those Comm Puritans because of this board--Danny's like a Sin-Eater!

I blame Danny for the headache I get when hearing about the Gambit story for the eleven millionth time!

;)

Gail

[Tom]

I never saw this incident and have no idea about it.

That much is clear. I said what I wanted to.

[AaronJ]

I DO get the blame, usually, but I'm redirecting hostility towards Danny--especially since he really IS responsible for every evil committed in human history. No--really--I swear! Try blaming Danny--IT FEELS GOOD. Gail, don't take the blame for the Fall of Western Civilization from those Comm Puritans because of this board--Danny's like a Sin-Eater!

All right, I am going with the "Danny IS responsible for every evil committed in human history" view.

For now.

Unless, of course, he denies it.

Then I go back to being confused as all get out. (Since, you know, no one who is actually responsible for that much evil would ever deny it. Right? RIGHT?!)

[Gail Simone]

Okay, I went to the Comm board, and as expected, it's mostly very tame stuff, with Joe Rice being his usual self (we all know Joe never bullies anyone or insults anyone). Certainly nothing worth getting upset over. I declare this attempted boardwar to be officially: LAME.

I think it's kind of silly, with the ridiculously long threads about nothing that occur here at both boards, that this is a thread that is actually about something , and continued in large part by the very people involved with the subject at hand (by the way of having been cheated by the guy), and somehow, boo hoo, exposing a fraud who has cheated dozens and dozens of people out of thousands and thousands of dollars is a 'bully thread.'

Several of us are venting because it's a nice release after having dealt with this guy. Many new friends have been made, many old acquaintences renewed. A lot of important information has been exchanged and a lot of silliness and bunnies have come to light at a time when maybe some people could use the comic relief.

Really, don't read it if it offends. I'm delighted not to have you, and will continue not to be unhappy at your non-contributions.

I'm reminded WHY I felt a couple people were jerks, though. Sheesh!

But for the most part, the whole thing seems blown out of size. A few comments, probably well-intended for the most part...it's not a big deal at all. They don't get the thread, I don't get the comm board, seems like a wash to me.

Gail

[JamesRitcheyIII]

I blame Danny for the headache I get when hearing about the Gambit story for the eleven millionth time!

;)

Gail

Only a headache? Conventions with him are the worst--try drawing whilst he describes the minutiae of everything he's done, to random passers-by--oh, and while you've got a hangover (only time I drink anymore--convention=hangover). I was sick of hearing about Nietzsche Falling a year before I ever put a single line to paper for it. On the upside, he's one of my favorite people, and in the long run for his talent in Sales and PR, there will be many proud Eskimos, with brand-new, shiny refrigerators.

[Gail Simone]

That much is clear. I said what I wanted to.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd, your over-sensitivity to any comment about the Comm board continues.

Relax, Tom. Honest to god, this stuff is not worth popping a vein over.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Only a headache? Conventions with him are the worst--try drawing whilst he describes the minutiae of everything he's done, to random passers-by--oh, and while you've got a hangover (only time I drink anymore--convention=hangover). I was sick of hearing about Nietzsche Falling a year before I ever put a single line to paper for it. On the upside, he's one of my favorite people, and in the long run for his talent in Sales and PR, there will be many proud Eskimos, with brand-new, shiny refrigerators.

???

Has this stuff actually seen print? I'm not being mean, but I've been hearing about it for years. Has it come out?

Gail

[Charles RB]

Danny's like a Sin-Eater!

He shoots police captains with crushes on Spider-Man?

[Tom]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd, your over-sensitivity to any comment about the Comm board continues.

Relax, Tom. Honest to god, this stuff is not worth popping a vein over.

Gail

?

Gail, do try and pay attention. I have no thoughts about people's comments on the Comm Board. I already said so. I am merely rebutting some accusations Jim made. Accusations which you admit you know nothing about.

It's amusing that you felt the need to tell me to relax, though.

[the4thpip]

http://www.tricityyouthhockey.com/referee.gif

Would you kids take it to the Huffybaby thread, please?

[Gail Simone]

?

Gail, do try and pay attention. I have no thoughts about people's comments on the Comm Board. I already said so. I am merely rebutting some accusations Jim made. Accusations which you admit you know nothing about.

It's amusing that you felt the need to tell me to relax, though.

Tom, whatever. I like you, but I've found some of your defenses of the comm board to be surprisingly content-free. You obviously disagree. I really don't have any desire to trade barbs with you, all right?

Feel free to have whatever last word you like, honest.

Gail

[AIPman1]

...trying..to ..get..RO..out..of..my..memori...Oh!
Well I think I might have encountered him through SPA for which I do not blame Ian :-D. He "seemed" OK at the time he was whining about someone from ORCA that was stabbing him in the back and of course Ian was very supportive of RO.
I know when the whole "deleted his post" thing started , it was from me talking about WW which though I liked, was wishing there were more conms in the Chicago area (we only had WW and ComicFest).
I think he started a tangent about the evils of WW and it went bad from there. Wish we still had those posts.
I know he showed up at theSmall Press Pvaler Yahoo site and went off there as and on my IF Forum.
Thanks the gods we all survived that and now are all talking again.

I ran into Olney in the active initial building phase of the Small Press Association, and in fact can pinpoint it: Nov. 17, 2001. On the the Obscurity Unlimited Yahoo Group:

Hi,<br>Over the last ten years, I've funneled
small press and indy created efforts to my membership.
There are all kinds of great stuff out there!<br><br>We
each know this, right? <br><br>Well, starting in
January 2002 I'll be funded with buying/trading monies to
escalate this previous effort. I've worked out the details
and it is easy to try on your end. Almost cost free
in fact.<br><br>Send me a copy of your recent book.
I will be reviewing those on a variety of levels
...pumping up the exposure. I will be buying multiple copies
to pass along on the pathways into education and
interest. Presently, I have $5,000.00 dollars earmarked for
this 2002 yearly project. And THAT is a heckuva lot of
small press and indy books. <br><br>I strongly
encourage you to visit orca's message boards and join the
community there. You might recognize a few familiar names.
Additionally, accumulated product will be routed out via orca's
2002 convention appearance schedule. We'll be at MOC
next weekend. MegaCon in February, Pittsburgh Comicon
in April, and plans are firming for Heroes Con and
San Diego presently. <br><br>Regarding Trading, I'd
like you to see what we're doing in print. Our Fresh
newszine is pretty nice. I'll gladly send out trades. I'm
not looking for anything here but friendship and
support. I have my own (ongoing) indy plans afoot still
and will work them forward as my personal time
allows. I'm not trying tobeat anyone over the head with
orca. I'm not going to keep hyping stuff. This is the
first and probably last post from me like this. Beyond
that, I'm here to interact & have fun getting to know
each of you. <br><br>In closing, enjoy your Thursday
Thanksgiving family & loved ones
time!<br><br>Regards,<br>--Rick Olney<br><a href=http://www.orcafresh.net
target=new>http://www.orcafresh.net</a>

but I couldn't find any more posts from him in the pages of posts that followed that one. I know at some point, I contacted him about the SPA's interest in being involved in developing materials for use in classes. The very LAST post I can find on the Yahoo Group is this:

Are you looking for an opportunity to be published?


I'm looking for submissions for the Blood Harvest Anthology. This
project is being created to benefit the CBLDF and ORCA. Comp copies
are the only payment for your submissions. There ARE plans to try and
grab some national media coverage. Additionally, if the TightLip
listers want local press coverage--I'll set it up.

Another TLE tidbit: Blood Harvest will be worked into public libraries
over time upon publication.

Anyone ever self publish in an anthology before? I'm interested in
hearing about your experience. Thanks.

--Rick

There's definitely more interesting reading in there from Rick's posts if you go looking - here's the URL for the record: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obscurityunlimited/

Unfortunately, I do not have the forum versions that we went through BEFORE our current system, which only goes back about 2 years...which was AFTER Rick was booted out. So we lost most of the online record...though my wife printed out just about everything when the fights started. SOMEWHERE, I might have old forum code and a database that has some of it...but it's not worth rebuilding to me at this point.

Anyway...there's that, for the record!

[Gail Simone]

http://www.tricityyouthhockey.com/referee.gif

Would you kids take it to the Huffybaby thread, please?

I'm honestly quite done with the Yabs Vs. Anyone Else topic. I went and read some of the bitching about us at the Comm board and I think the X-board. A couple well-intended criticisms that I've taken to heart and a lot of passive-aggressive nonsense from people whom I don't respect anyway. Big deal.

Although one poster shivering in physical terror at the thought of being brought iinto this thread had me laughing out loud. Hysterical.

But I can't say it loudly enough...it's FINE. Everyone's allowed to say whatever they want whether they have the stones to say it here or not. It's just a question of being able to stand up for your comments. If you can't do that, then it's just as well you avoid this place.

Gail, hates pansies

[Tom]

Tom, whatever. I like you, but I've found some of your defenses of the comm board to be surprisingly content-free.Perhaps that's because I don't defend the Comm Board. In the last year, I've been one of its more vocal critics. You say you don't want to trade barbs with me, yet here you are, struggling valiantly, even though I have said not one word to or against you in this thread. If you insist on doing so, have at it. But please do me the favor of rebutting things I've actually said.

And please don't tell me to relax when I'm clearly not worked up. It's a very base rhetorical trick.

[AaronJ]

There's definitely more interesting reading in there from Rick's posts if you go looking - here's the URL for the record: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obscurityunlimited/

[snip]

Anyway...there's that, for the record!

You know, if it hadn't been already established as being true by outside sources, at this point I wouldn't even believe his name to be Rick Olney.

People have posted messages from over the years, he, himself, has posted here, all sorts of people have all sorts of stories, and seriously ... does the guy EVER tell the truth? I mean, even by accident on occassion?

It's really bizarre and pathological. I've met a number of shady characters in my life, but I'm not sure I've ever come into "contact" with someone with such an adverse reaction to honesty.

[Gail Simone]

Perhaps that's because I don't defend the Comm Board. In the last year, I've been one of its more vocal critics. You say you don't want to trade barbs with me, yet here you are, struggling valiantly, even though I have said not one word to or against you in this thread. If you insist on doing so, have at it. But please do me the favor of rebutting things I've actually said.

And please don't tell me to relax when I'm clearly not worked up. It's a very base rhetorical trick.

Okay, fair enough. You seemed 'worked up' to me, but that's the hazard of the internet. My mistake.

But I was sincere, I don't want to argue with you, I'd much rather just say it's an honest difference of opinion and shake hands.

Deal?

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Hey, have you guys noticed that this thread is REALLY long?

Gail

[Tom]

Deal.

Thank you.

[AaronJ]

Hey, have you guys noticed that this thread is REALLY long?

Gail

No. Not at all. *whistles*

But I have heard that the Amish have something to do with it.

[AIPman1]

There are other distributors in the direct market? I thought the one that Marvel bought was the last one.

You guys know that Dimestore is trying to BUILD a Distributorship from the ground up RIGHT NOW, right? It's not easy! Especially with the budget I have...

Determination will bring forth a system that works.

[Gail Simone]

Deal.

Thank you.

No problem, mister. :) Thank YOU.

Gail

[Danny Donovan]

???
Has this stuff actually seen print? I'm not being mean, but I've been hearing about it for years. Has it come out?
Gail
The project Jim is talking about that we have been developing for damn near an EON thank you very much mr. perfectionist artist who wants to change every flap of a cape and every building design.....
No, it's not out. I was about to finally write it off, after insane amounts of development, changes in the team, etc. It has been finally completed and has been sent to the publisher for approval.
But ASIDE from the Gambit (dude at this point *I'm* sick of hearing about that goddamn thing, I apologise for letting that run on too badly. I fell victim to pride, and yes, the story does get told WAY TOO DAMN much, sometimes I use it as an analogy, I'm in a 12 step program for it I swear) thing there were a few other things that have come out in the interim. Such as the issue of Shooting Star Comics Anthology (#6) with art by Nat Jones, a few indie things (some old unpublished things from an indie publisher eventually went to print in TPB format a year or so ago)
And then the NF thing as I said, finally got a team together and finished, is awaiting approval. And there's an upcoming manga project called Nocturne that went through an artist change, but is now on the fast track and should have some REALLY good news on that shortly. The artist (sara heiney ramirez, as linked by papergirl) is finishing up some promo posters on it for our lovable taskmaster of an editor.
And yeah, I do have some published credits to my name outside of a FAR TOO MUCH TALKED ABOUT (by myself and others) bout of "non-fame" which is honestly a terribly embarassing event I'm hoping to eventually put behind me.
But yeah I dropped off the face of the earth for awhile when my step-father got diagnosed with cancer, taking time to see him through it, and when he passed away in March of '06, I am trying to pick up where I left off.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

The project Jim is talking about that we have been developing for damn near an EON thank you very much mr. perfectionist artist who wants to change every flap of a cape and every building design.....
No, it's not out. I was about to finally write it off, after insane amounts of development, changes in the team, etc. It has been finally completed and has been sent to the publisher for approval.
But ASIDE from the Gambit (dude at this point *I'm* sick of hearing about that goddamn thing, I apologise for letting that run on too badly. I fell victim to pride, and yes, the story does get told WAY TOO DAMN much, sometimes I use it as an analogy, I'm in a 12 step program for it I swear) thing there were a few other things that have come out in the interim. Such as the issue of Shooting Star Comics Anthology (#6) with art by Nat Jones, a few indie things (some old unpublished things from an indie publisher eventually went to print in TPB format a year or so ago)
And then the NF thing as I said, finally got a team together and finished, is awaiting approval. And there's an upcoming manga project called Nocturne that went through an artist change, but is now on the fast track and should have some REALLY good news on that shortly. The artist (sara heiney ramirez, as linked by papergirl) is finishing up some promo posters on it for our lovable taskmaster of an editor.
And yeah, I do have some published credits to my name outside of a FAR TOO MUCH TALKED ABOUT (by myself and others) bout of "non-fame" which is honestly a terribly embarassing event I'm hoping to eventually put behind me.
But yeah I dropped off the face of the earth for awhile when my step-father got diagnosed with cancer, taking time to see him through it, and when he passed away in March of '06, I am trying to pick up where I left off.


???

Has this stuff actually seen print? I'm not being mean, but I've been hearing about it for years. Has it come out?

Gail

I can honestly say, it isn't Danny's fault. :D Danny's had quite a few things see print (REALLY--I've held them in my hands!!!), but I know the Gambit story was cataloged and never made it through--but you probably knew that. I was supposed to draw Nietzsche Falling, after I finished up my Green Lama two-parter, through AC Comics. It was no easy task talking Bill Black into writing and drawing a deconstuctionist, character-driven, well-researched, reincarnational Murder Mystery-Superhero story, in color, with one of his favorite Public Domain characters (and mine), especially one who is virtually a footnote in the history of comics, since boobie comics and reprints are his bread and butter. I got ill (later finding out I have MS), and untreated, it took me forever to do the first issue, then the inker took forever and did a poor job, that I had to fix for a month. Bill's coasting along, says "Fine, whenever you're through"--finally, it was almost done. enter--Rick Olney. He sends me an email privately saying he wants to publish it. I say, he can have any of 3 other perfectly interesting properties that I've created, but not, the Green Lama, as I'm committed to AC. He emails me back: "I just want the Lama", not interested in seeing anything else. I say "too bad". The motherfucker runs a campaign, basically, on things like the Femforce Board and many others, and completely undermines my tenuous relationship with Bill, hearsay getting back to him one person at a time--saying shit like 'I hear Bill's not putting it out anymore". Bill starts waffling, on color, then on toning, then I don't hear from Bill anymore. I mention earlier that I when ballistic on Rick, and severed all ties, after I found out he'd been at this for a month.

It may not seem all that much, but it was my first shot at what I've always wanted to do--both write and draw a comic book, prove that I'm pretty damn good and original at both, and have it published. I was pretty devastated, have worked in almost every area of art, and have never been so fucked by a situation. Meanwhile, Danny's been talking about Nietzsche Falling since almost BEFORE I started GL. Bad timing, is all, I'm burnt out, experiencing partial paralysis from the stress--finally find out and get medicated for the Multiple Sclerosis, and just take a long ass sabbatical from the soul-crushing horror that my future the comics industry was starting to look like. I finished a sample of NF finally, in August, it was inked in September, etc.--then a letterer stands us up. Just a sample, mind,you, could have done all of it by myself in 9 days, uninterrupted--but I was up to the--you know--doing other art to be able to eat. The sample for Nietzsche Falling will FINALLY arrive to Erik Larsen's desk, allegedly this afternoon.

In other words, the dog ate it for over a year, but he finally coughed it up, or it's my fault.

[Gail Simone]

You know what?

On second thought, this silly stuff may be a good opportunity.

While I'm pretty much on record that I've not been a fan of the Comm board, I certainly don't mean to imply they don't have the right to say their opinions about me or about this board. I don't know the X-board as well but this applies to them, too.

Even if the other boards are moderated differently, my feelings about free speech still apply. So, sincerely, have at it. It's fine. No one LIKES to be criticized, but obviously, sometimes it's a good thing. So I propose a couple things, here.

First, if you've got something you want to say to me, feel free. You can email me (gailcbr@yahoo.com) or say it here, if you like. I promise I'll listen. I can't promise I'll agree, but I'll certainly give it my best shot to see your point. I don't advise PMing because my PM thingie has been full constantly with Olney-related stuff. It's not going to be dogpiling of any kind. If you're holding some old anger in about something, fine, please tell me. I wish I were kidding about my memory for this stuff but it is, in general, PAINFULLY short, so I may not even be aware of any hurt feelings you might have, and that's just not fair to you, if that's the case. Or you might simply have strong feelings about this particular thread, or this board in general. Fine, this is a good chance to explain your stance to me.

I will try my best to understand what your complaint is. I can't say I'll agree necessarily but I'll definitely try to comprehend your points, fair enough?

Second...I figured I'd say a couple things about this thread for the record.

People seem to be under the misconstrued notion that I'm somehow directing this thread from behind a curtain. I honestly don't feel that's at all accurate. I posted what I posted to start, after months and months of keeping it to myself, because Olney was not only cheating some seriously dedicated professionals, but also THREATENING them with lawsuits and more.

Honestly, it just got my back up and still does. When I think of a guy like Rick calling a guy like Val Staples, who sold everything and slept on the floor to pay back people for debts that weren't even his to begin with, "unprofessional," I felt I had to come forward with my own story.

BELIEVE ME. I did NOT want Rick Olney's weirdness back in my life. I HAPPILY told him to keep the promised remainder of the reimbursement with the proviso I'd never get another one of his bizarre, sometimes scary, emails. I thought long and hard about coming forward, but the truth is, seeing people like Chuck and Val called liars was just too much for me. Everyone has a weak spot, mine is watching friends get treated badly.

So I started a thread here, to vent, really. I certainly never foresaw it becoming this monster, and contrary to what some seem to be implying, I neither want nor need this kind of attention. It's kept going of its own accord, bolstered hugely by people who have ALSO been cheated by Rick, or threatened, or abused, and also by pros and readers who would like to see this not happen again any time soon.

But the motto of this board has always been post as thou wilt. Everyone here at CBR knows this, most likely. Could I have shut it down? Sure. Could I have edited or censored? Of course. But that's never been how it's done here, and that sometimes means things go on long past their freshness date.

I don't like to ban, censor, or edit people's posts. I apply the same logic to myself, in that I don't delete posts when I've said something idiotic.

So this thing becomes a leviathan, but it's not because of me prodding people...a lot of sub-plots and re-acquaintancing has taken place, and a lot of silly cameraderie. It's its own animal, and I'm fine with it, and if you're not, well, we disagree. It will die of its own accord, just like every other thread in history.

As for being a 'bully' board. That's fine for the disinterested bystander to say, but I think it's pretty upside-down. This is a guy who tried to bully, threaten and intimidate people and got away with it for YEARS. That's what allowed it to happen. If you can't stand up and say, "No, no more of THAT shit, thank you very much," to a guy with Olney's record for destruction and threats, then I think you're not worth very much. There are plenty of threads out there about Galactica and fish recipes. A few threads about someone who has been a predator and caused a ton of people GENUINE HARM do not seem to be a felony, to me. Again, if you disagree, that's certainly your right. But a lot of people have come forward here for the first time after years of threats and mistreatment, and I applaud the community, readers and pros alike, for creating an environment where they could do that.

If exposing a guy who cheats and threatens people into silence is bullying, please, call me a bully, because I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

I know some have implied that this is fun for me. Yep, nothing more fun than having insults about me thrown my way every single day, and having to deal again with a creep I thought was gone from my life forever, as well as snippy little CBR comments from everyone I've ever had a disagreement with. It's a BLAST!

But again, I saw something I felt was very, very wrong, and people like Ronee being mistreated, and you know what? I'm not okay with it. He calls Joanne a 'sick bitch' and a 'douchebag,' and I'm not okay with it. He puts up threatening pictures and implies he's going to put Matt in the hospital, and I'm not okay with it.

Maybe the definition of 'bully' has changed.

But dead seriously, 99% of the threads on this site have no real meaning and we all know it. It's just friends passing the time. This thread at least has spread the word about a serious abuser, and a lot of people he abused got the chance to say their piece. Say what you like, that wasn't really happening before, anywhere, and now hopefully, people will know how he does business, based on past experience.

So to me, starting the thread was important. It would not be fair for Rick to be allowed to continue bashing hard-working pros because he felt he didn't want to pay them as agreed. And amongst the crazy stuff, there's a ton of interesting information about the legality of freelance work, and some people got the information they needed to sue and try to get their money back. A LOT of good stuff has happened. If we sometimes went over the line a little, again, I keep thinking about Rick's gay-bashing, his woman-hate, his cheating, his threatening people who had a rotten Christmas because he refused to even answer email, and on and on, and I think, couldn't happen to a more deserving fellow.

The thread is a monster, no question, but that's because people are interested, or because some folks are enjoying posting to other folks. I don't see why that's anything anyone should care about. And in any case, I don't really 'steer' threads. I just let them do what they want. Eventually, this thread will die, and that's fine, too. A lot of information has come through this thread, and hopefully it will continue to be about more than just bunny pictures (although I like bunny pictures).

That's my explanation. If you read that and still think I'm being a bully, then email me at gailcbr@yahoo.com and I promise I'll respond as quickly as I can.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

The project Jim is talking about that we have been developing for damn near an EON thank you very much mr. perfectionist artist who wants to change every flap of a cape and every building design.....
No, it's not out. I was about to finally write it off, after insane amounts of development, changes in the team, etc. It has been finally completed and has been sent to the publisher for approval.
But ASIDE from the Gambit (dude at this point *I'm* sick of hearing about that goddamn thing, I apologise for letting that run on too badly. I fell victim to pride, and yes, the story does get told WAY TOO DAMN much, sometimes I use it as an analogy, I'm in a 12 step program for it I swear) thing there were a few other things that have come out in the interim. Such as the issue of Shooting Star Comics Anthology (#6) with art by Nat Jones, a few indie things (some old unpublished things from an indie publisher eventually went to print in TPB format a year or so ago)
And then the NF thing as I said, finally got a team together and finished, is awaiting approval. And there's an upcoming manga project called Nocturne that went through an artist change, but is now on the fast track and should have some REALLY good news on that shortly. The artist (sara heiney ramirez, as linked by papergirl) is finishing up some promo posters on it for our lovable taskmaster of an editor.
And yeah, I do have some published credits to my name outside of a FAR TOO MUCH TALKED ABOUT (by myself and others) bout of "non-fame" which is honestly a terribly embarassing event I'm hoping to eventually put behind me.
But yeah I dropped off the face of the earth for awhile when my step-father got diagnosed with cancer, taking time to see him through it, and when he passed away in March of '06, I am trying to pick up where I left off.


Relax, Danny, I was just genuinely curious. I'm sorry to hear about your father, and good luck with the career.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

I can honestly say, it isn't Danny's fault. :D Danny's had quite a few things see print (REALLY--I've held them in my hands!!!), but I know the Gambit story was cataloged and never made it through--but you probably knew that. I was supposed to draw Nietzsche Falling, after I finished up my Green Lama two-parter, through AC Comics. It was no easy task talking Bill Black into writing and drawing a deconstuctionist, character-driven, well-researched, reincarnational Murder Mystery-Superhero story, in color, with one of his favorite Public Domain characters (and mine), especially one who is virtually a footnote in the history of comics, since boobie comics and reprints are his bread and butter. I got ill (later finding out I have MS), and untreated, it took me forever to do the first issue, then the inker took forever and did a poor job, that I had to fix for a month. Bill's coasting along, says "Fine, whenever you're through"--finally, it was almost done. enter--Rick Olney. He sends me an email privately saying he wants to publish it. I say, he can have any of 3 other perfectly interesting properties that I've created, but not, the Green Lama, as I'm committed to AC. He emails me back: "I just want the Lama", not interested in seeing anything else. I say "too bad". The motherfucker runs a campaign, basically, on things like the Femforce Board and many others, and completely undermines my tenuous relationship with Bill, hearsay getting back to him one person at a time--saying shit like 'I hear Bill's not putting it out anymore". Bill starts waffling, on color, then on toning, then I don't hear from Bill anymore. I mention earlier that I when ballistic on Rick, and severed all ties, after I found out he'd been at this for a month.

It may not seem all that much, but it was my first shot at what I've always wanted to do--both write and draw a comic book, prove that I'm pretty damn good and original at both, and have it published. I was pretty devastated, have worked in almost every area of art, and have never been so fucked by a situation. Meanwhile, Danny's been talking about Nietzsche Falling since almost BEFORE I started GL. Bad timing, is all, I'm burnt out, experiencing partial paralysis from the stress--finally find out and get medicated for the Multiple Sclerosis, and just take a long ass sabbatical from the soul-crushing horror that my future the comics industry was starting to look like. I finished a sample of NF finally, in August, it was inked in September, etc.--then a letterer stands us up. Just a sample, mind,you, could have done all of it by myself in 9 days, uninterrupted--but I was up to the--you know--doing other art to be able to eat. The sample for Nietzsche Falling will FINALLY arrive to Erik Larsen's desk, allegedly this afternoon.

In other words, the dog ate it for over a year, but he finally coughed it up, or it's my fault.

Yikes, that's a sad story all around.

Good luck on the book. Hope it's a big success.

Gail

[Calybos]

Seems though that there is/was a comics organization that had provided legal assistance for unpaid creators...now if only I could dredge up the name.

Sorry it took so long to find this post! The organization was formerly known as ACTOR, A Commitment To Our Roots. In late '06 they changed the name to The Hero Initiative.

http://www.heroinitiative.org/

Their goal as a nonprofit is "helping comic creators in need," especially Silver and Bronze Age veterans who got gypped. Not sure if they'd be the right ones to contact regarding the current Olney mess.

[Danny Donovan]

Relax, Danny, I was just genuinely curious. I'm sorry to hear about your father, and good luck with the career.

Gail

Thanks Gail, no offense was taken, nor was any inferred with my response. The board ate my post 20 times as I'm assuming the forum crashed. So after about rewriting the thing 10 times, I just copied and pasted my next 10 tries until it eventually came out like it is there. lol.

So everything's cool. No one's offended or upset. Jim and I both enjoy this forum and your work, and we're happy to be here. We've both made a lot of new friends and that's what this is all about right? As a community, getting to know one another and all that.

As I've said, in my younger years I won't deny I made my fair share of mistakes (and that guys mistakes, and that guys, and that guys) but I am hoping I learned from the oftentimes more trouble than their worth experiance (working with Rick being one of them)

I'm happy to be allowed here and to be me.

While I may not be proud of my actions 100% of the time, I'm proud of my accomplishments. ;) I hope there are more accomplishments this year than drama, I've tried my damdest to live a drama free life but every so often you have an Olney to deal with. I've had a few (not as bad as the real one)

I'm proud to be working with Unscrewed! I hope I can help them enough to make sure people like Rick don't get others entangled in their sordid lives.

[NatGertler]

What's a PX agreement?Somebody (and no, I'm not going to search through 600 pages of this thread to find who) said that Olney claimed to have had an arrangement to get his comics into the military Post Exchanges (PX).

Any more books you want to plug, Nat? Hey, you've got a captive audience...I don't think this thread is the place for a big push on my work. Folks who are curious about the next book I'm soliciting as a publisher can see this (http://aaugh.com/wordpress/?p=294), and those who are curious about my work as a writer should know I'm doing more of this (http://www.licensablebeartm.com/?page_id=21).

[EdContradictory]

Personally, I couldn't think of a stupider thing to get into a bitchfest about, though. So how 'bout it? Can we keep Olneyism and related topics limited to a few threads, or are people obsessive enough to go to war over a perceived slight to Gail's honour?
Um, the "war" happened like two weeks ago. It's been over for a while now.

But for some strange reason in the last week people started feeling bad for Olney and then felt the need to attack Gail over it.

[Kozemp]

All removed since Gail said the same thing later downthread.

JLK

[EdContradictory]

The way a board thread can move around a central topic but go out on seperate tributaries before joining again, then seperating, and so forth. This is why message boards can truly an interesting place to interact with others.

This might very well be the greatest thread in the history of the interwebs.

[NatGertler]

Hey, have you guys noticed that this thread is REALLY long?You'd think all the negative comments posted here would make it shorter.

[the4thpip]

This might very well be the greatest thread in the history of the interwebs.

Don't count out my fish recipes thread quite yet!

[Kozemp]

You'd think all the negative comments posted here would make it shorter.

Thread length is measured in absolute value.

Oh, man, that takes me back... yeah... seventh grade math, baby...

|JLK|

[EdContradictory]

I blame Danny for the headache I get when hearing about the Gambit story for the eleven millionth time!

Danny, just out of curiousity, what was that Gambit story about?

I've heard it referenced a few places and was just wondering what actually happened in it.

[Danny Donovan]

Danny, just out of curiousity, what was that Gambit story about?

I've heard it referenced a few places and was just wondering what actually happened in it.

At the savage risk of giving Gail a migraine, it was just a 12 page story that was bought as an inventory and was going to be tossed in an annual as a back up or failing that in X-Men Unlimited.

Basically it was just a horror/cop story. Gambit, being a bit of a transient himself had a lot friends who most would consider undesirable. (homeless folks, grifters, street people, what have you) And there was somebody savagely killing people who otherwise wouldn't be missed, and it hit close to home so Gambit goes to investigate.

There's a cop also looking into this possible serial killer with occult connections (son of sam type) and they bump heads. It basically boils down to a really unnerving person offering up human saccrifices for untold power. battle, defeat, sad bit of business about how its easy for some people to go missing before people even know their missing, etc. etc. the end.

It was fun to do. I liked working with Mark. he had some neat stories, and analogies. I did like his story about Return of the Jedi and how he saw Gambit as a "Han Solo" type character, but not the wussy one that was all "I have to save my girlfriend" when leia got kidnapped...

Maybe I'll have occasion to work with him again sometime. I hope so. I think he gave me a good reference. Because he's friends with Lee Nordling and when I started working with Platinum Studios Lee called him and asked him about me, and must've not said anything terribly bad because Lee and I have a really good working relationship.
------------------------------------------------------

So, that said... BACK TO OLNEY!

I got some word from another person that worked for him, during my time with MMC (and both Docs) basically:

"You should have heard the conversations we had on the forum, especially when I would get on him about him cancelling convention after convention. Also the conversations how the orcabeest wanted to monitor ACTOR, and I used to tell him he had no clue of what he was talking about."

So apperently he was at war with ACTOR.

neat!

[DungeonmasterJim]

I'm fairly ignorant on suing people but I was wondering if plantiffs are allowed to talk about small claim cases? Seems all the people that seemed to be leaning towards suing Olney haven't posted in quite some time. I was just wondering if there were any updates on the potential lawsuits.


Thanks.

DM Jim

[TomStillwell]

Can't we all just get along?

I mean, c'mon, the Bears are in the Super Bowl.

But Gail is a meany. She made my cat throw up.

[AaronJ]

Can't we all just get along?

Wrong thread!

I mean, c'mon, the Bears are in the Super Bowl.

Wrong thread!

But Gail is a meany. She made my cat throw up.

Wrong thread!

[Dreadstar]

There are - at most - about 15 current posting members of CBR who were posting at the time of that flamewar (I'm not one of them, by the way). Of those 15, I'd wager most of them don't have clear memories of it, since it was over 8 years ago. Of those 15, no more than 3 or 4 were posting in the thread you referenced. So 3 or 4 people who may or may not have clear memories of the incident are your basis for impugning an entire board of people numbering in the hundreds who have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what you're talking about.

And being one of those 3 or 4 people, I would like to apologize to MacQ for "not having his back."

I honestly didn't realize it meant that much to you.

But Jim, every one of us has been out on that cold and lonely line where we know, just *know* that there are other guys, friends, who believe the same line we're defending and yet we get no reinforcement forthcoming. Every single one of us.

Yes, sometimes it is a bitter pill.

No, I don't think it's worth getting dramatic over. And hell, I'm a big drama queen here at CBR. But I will not condemn you for thinking that the offense was indeed egregious.

But please, do *not* condemn the Comm board for the failure of us few. I in turn will try my best to return the favor to the YABS millieu.

Peace, Bro. Be aware that you *are* missed at the Comm. Just stay out of the religion threads, they aren't worth it. Really.

[MacQuarrie]

I seem to recall you very specifically insulting me for my loyalty to one of my friends just about a year ago, then going on to insult him as well as several of my other friends.

That was cute of you, Mac.

I honestly have no idea what you're referrign to.

[Danny Donovan]

I'm fairly ignorant on suing people but I was wondering if plantiffs are allowed to talk about small claim cases? Seems all the people that seemed to be leaning towards suing Olney haven't posted in quite some time. I was just wondering if there were any updates on the potential lawsuits.


Thanks.

DM Jim


Yes and no, any attorney worth their salt will ALWAYS tell their client regaurdless of what side of the aisle they're on to shut their damn yap because you never know what might be said that could hand the other side an out.

My theory is that those that have been quiet as of late are working on building a case. I am sure if anyone has gotten to the point of actually KNOWING who is representing Rick they would have posted here so they might help others looking for retribution as well.

[Gail Simone]

At the savage risk of giving Gail a migraine, it was just a 12 page story that was bought as an inventory and was going to be tossed in an annual as a back up or failing that in X-Men Unlimited.

Basically it was just a horror/cop story. Gambit, being a bit of a transient himself had a lot friends who most would consider undesirable. (homeless folks, grifters, street people, what have you) And there was somebody savagely killing people who otherwise wouldn't be missed, and it hit close to home so Gambit goes to investigate.

There's a cop also looking into this possible serial killer with occult connections (son of sam type) and they bump heads. It basically boils down to a really unnerving person offering up human saccrifices for untold power. battle, defeat, sad bit of business about how its easy for some people to go missing before people even know their missing, etc. etc. the end.

It was fun to do. I liked working with Mark. he had some neat stories, and analogies. I did like his story about Return of the Jedi and how he saw Gambit as a "Han Solo" type character, but not the wussy one that was all "I have to save my girlfriend" when leia got kidnapped...

Maybe I'll have occasion to work with him again sometime. I hope so. I think he gave me a good reference. Because he's friends with Lee Nordling and when I started working with Platinum Studios Lee called him and asked him about me, and must've not said anything terribly bad because Lee and I have a really good working relationship.
------------------------------------------------------

So, that said... BACK TO OLNEY!

I got some word from another person that worked for him, during my time with MMC (and both Docs) basically:

"You should have heard the conversations we had on the forum, especially when I would get on him about him cancelling convention after convention. Also the conversations how the orcabeest wanted to monitor ACTOR, and I used to tell him he had no clue of what he was talking about."

So apperently he was at war with ACTOR.

neat!


Yeah, you know, I saw a lot of him trying to stir up crap with Actor and with Free Comic Book Day. As if these two very positive things in the industry were somehow stealing his thunder. It's a little weird.

Gail

[Ronée]

Ronee's the carrier of the Olney virus! RUN!HEY! I've had my penicillan(sp?) shot a long time ago... I'm not a carrier anymore.

[Gail Simone]

As I say, I don't know the details of this particular thing, but holy crap, how can anyone be mad at Mac? He's like the king of stand-up guys.

Nossir, I don't get it.

Gail

[Matt Doc Martin]

Yeah, you know, I saw a lot of him trying to stir up crap with Actor and with Free Comic Book Day. As if these two very positive things in the industry were somehow stealing his thunder. It's a little weird.

Gail

Well, since he gave comics away, he created Free Comic Book Day.

And I gave gifts on December 25th, so I invented Christmas.

And if I get my hands on that "Christ" ponce....Steal MY thunder, will he? "Son of God" meet FIST OF RAGE!

[Dreadstar]

As I say, I don't know the details of this particular thing, but holy crap, how can anyone be mad at Mac? He's like the king of stand-up guys.

Nossir, I don't get it.

Gail

I don't think it's that anyone is particularly mad at Mac, it's more of Mac being mad at the Comm guys.

Mac can correct me if I'm wrong, which I often am.

[Gail Simone]

Please note that my previous comment is NOT an excuse to keep pointless hostilities going. I would like, if anything, to see a bit of bridge building rather than more needless snipery on all sides.

Best,

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Well, since he gave comics away, he created Free Comic Book Day.

And I gave gifts on December 25th, so I invented Christmas.

And if I get my hands on that "Christ" ponce....Steal MY thunder, will he? "Son of God" meet FIST OF RAGE!

I'm putting you in the HOSPITAL!

Gail

[Matt Doc Martin]

I'm putting you in the HOSPITAL!

Gail

Rick?

*meep*

[Gail Simone]

I don't think it's that anyone is particularly mad at Mac, it's more of Mac being mad at the Comm guys.

Mac can correct me if I'm wrong, which I often am.

If that's the case, then I retract my comment, but I did get the impression from Mac that he felt otherwise. However, I'm on really shaky ground here memory-wise, so just forget I said anything other than, "Mac is like the king of stand-up guys," which I'll stand by 'til Judgment Day.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Rick?

*meep*

Oh, that's it. You are SO gonna be BULLIED!

Gail, glaring harshly

[MacQuarrie]

And being one of those 3 or 4 people, I would like to apologize to MacQ for "not having his back."

I honestly didn't realize it meant that much to you.

But Jim, every one of us has been out on that cold and lonely line where we know, just *know* that there are other guys, friends, who believe the same line we're defending and yet we get no reinforcement forthcoming. Every single one of us.

Yes, sometimes it is a bitter pill.

No, I don't think it's worth getting dramatic over. And hell, I'm a big drama queen here at CBR. But I will not condemn you for thinking that the offense was indeed egregious.

But please, do *not* condemn the Comm board for the failure of us few. I in turn will try my best to return the favor to the YABS millieu.

Peace, Bro. Be aware that you *are* missed at the Comm. Just stay out of the religion threads, they aren't worth it. Really.
Dread, thank you. Actually, for some reason I thought that the MA thing went down during the time when you weren't posting much at CBR, so I was sort of giving you a pass. Anyway, I accept your apology and I'll offer one of my own:

I apologize for my earlier comments that smeared the whole Community Forum. I should not have done that, and I regret any hurt I may have caused anyone.

I just told Oz this in PM, and I'll say it here.

I shouldn't post when I'm tired and something annoys me. When I do, I post badly.

The point that I was trying to express, and which I utterly failed to make, is that the Community Board as a group, in my opinoin, has zero moral ground from which to criticize anyone else's behavior. We dogpile on jerks here; they just hang their friends out to twist in the wind. I'm not seeing how that's superior conduct.

I probably did (okay, definitely did) overreact this time. Hell, I overreacted in the CBR memories thread. But, as has been made clear here, everyone thought that I was stewing over a decade-old flamewar. I wasn't. I was stewing about the current mocking presence of one of the instigators of that flamewar and his utter lack of regret or embarrassment for his actions, and the forum's complete acceptance of him without any regard for his prior actions. This time, my anger is not so much directed at my perceived abandonment by my friends, as at the misplaced moral superiority displayed by them.

If YABS is a stain on CBR, it's not the only one. We dogpile on a creep who deserves it; Comm leaves their supposed friends to twist in the wind. So which is better? Add in the fact that there are dogpiles a-plenty on the Comm board, and there doesn't seem to be much in the way of a moral high-horse anywhere around. If the Olney story had surfaced on Comm, this thread would be exactly the same, except that some of the names would be changed and mods would be deleting the excesses.

But that doesn't alleviate me of my responsibility for my words. I apologize once again for unjustly hurting people by smearing the whole group.

[Typo Lad]

breaking my vow not to post here again because I suck


I... I was asleep when it happened Jim. It may have even been on Shabbos.

Please don't stop being my friend.

Sniff.

Having drossed, I leave again!

[Gail Simone]

breaking my vow not to post here again because I suck


I... I was asleep when it happened Jim. It may have even been on Shabbos.

Please don't stop being my friend.

Sniff.

Having drossed, I leave again!


I admit it, I'll never understand this stuff.

Gail

[Typo Lad]

I admit it, I'll never understand this stuff.

Gail
I try not to understand, just accept.

[Gail Simone]

Dread, thank you. Actually, for some reason I thought that the MA thing went down during the time when you weren't posting much at CBR, so I was sort of giving you a pass. Anyway, I accept your apology and I'll offer one of my own:

I apologize for my earlier comments that smeared the whole Community Forum. I should not have done that, and I regret any hurt I may have caused anyone.

I just told Oz this in PM, and I'll say it here.

I shouldn't post when I'm tired and something annoys me. When I do, I post badly.

The point that I was trying to express, and which I utterly failed to make, is that the Community Board as a group, in my opinoin, has zero moral ground from which to criticize anyone else's behavior. We dogpile on jerks here; they just hang their friends out to twist in the wind. I'm not seeing how that's superior conduct.

I probably did (okay, definitely did) overreact this time. Hell, I overreacted in the CBR memories thread. But, as has been made clear here, everyone thought that I was stewing over a decade-old flamewar. I wasn't. I was stewing about the current mocking presence of one of the instigators of that flamewar and his utter lack of regret or embarrassment for his actions, and the forum's complete acceptance of him without any regard for his prior actions. This time, my anger is not so much directed at my perceived abandonment by my friends, as at the misplaced moral superiority displayed by them.

If YABS is a stain on CBR, it's not the only one. We dogpile on a creep who deserves it; Comm leaves their supposed friends to twist in the wind. So which is better? Add in the fact that there are dogpiles a-plenty on the Comm board, and there doesn't seem to be much in the way of a moral high-horse anywhere around. If the Olney story had surfaced on Comm, this thread would be exactly the same, except that some of the names would be changed and mods would be deleting the excesses.

But that doesn't alleviate me of my responsibility for my words. I apologize once again for unjustly hurting people by smearing the whole group.

I think it's just a simple case of it always being easier to find the mote in someone else's eye. When someone from the comm board says another board is 'cliquish' or unfriendly, I raise an eyebrow because I know from history that that's exactly the behavior that has made the Comm board so problematic in the past. It's just THEIR clique and THEIR unfriendliness doesn't bother them.

That said, when they say bad things about Yabs, it doesn't mean they're incorrect, either. From their pov (and I'm talking aside from a few sad cases holding age old grudges, obviously), what they're saying is absolutely true, and of course they're also going to defend the board that they prefer, I get all that. It's just an eye of the beholder deal.

What I don't get is why anyone CARES. It's just personal preference. Some people like the Comm board and that group, some like this one. I just find it very odd that there's actually people who feel that's worth stirring shit up over.

Again, maybe I'm dead wrong. If you disagree, I'm willing to listen. Gailcbr@yahoo.com

Gail

[Typo Lad]

Question Germain to original topic!

I've been away for the weekend. Have there been any Olney sitings over the weekend? Has he continued to maintain silence post-serving of papers? Has the name of his alleged legal council been obtained by either JT or Renee?

[Gail Simone]

I try not to understand, just accept.

Typo, not to be a jerk about this, I am GENUINELY trying to understand. You posted a couple things that seemed to me to be VERY passive-aggressive, little drive-by things that I thought were sort of cheap. I know that's not a fun thing to hear and I'm sorry if I was rude in response. No, let's say it this way, I'm sorry I WAS rude in response.

But I, like many people, have a bad reaction to posts that have loaded phrases like, "Gail's not one of my favorite people, but..." and "Gail doesn't give a damn what I think, but..."

I'm paraphrasing, but that stuff bugs me a lot more than just an honest insult. I'm not one of your favorite people? Why should I be? We barely know each other, right?

And that second phrase, ugh, it just bugs me. I certainly DID give a damn what you said until you said THAT, if you know what I mean. ;)

All that said, I'm happy to apologize for snipping at your comment and I'm very sincere and I hope at least you'll accept it. In this post, I'm only trying to tell you why I was irritated, not condone any snippy pissy comment I made. As I said, you seem to be aware of some disagreement we've had in the past, but honest to god, I have no memory of it whatsoever, not even a glimmer. I'm not saying that to minimize anything I may have said, it's simply a sad fact of how my memory works, and how seriously I take little internet blowups once the heat is off (which is to say, not very, as a rule).

As for not posting here, well, I understand and wish you well, but you're certainly welcome to any time you like. As I keep trying to say, people say thoughtless things at times, we all do, I don't see the point in carrying around an endless spreadsheet of perceived insults to me, which is why (even though people scoff at this) I almost always forget about them soon after, with a couple notable exceptions.

So, I sincerely apologize, feel free to post whenever you like, and maybe next time I won't be quite so rash in responding. Fair enough?

Best,

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Question Germain to original topic!

I've been away for the weekend. Have there been any Olney sitings over the weekend? Has he continued to maintain silence post-serving of papers? Has the name of his alleged legal council been obtained by either JT or Renee?


He's sent a bunch of threatening emails, but other than that, he's gone totally Nessie, to the point of getting rid of nearly all his web presence. But we still have every threat and weird comment saved, thank goodness (and Matt, who I'm currently BULLYING!) ;)

Gail

[Dreadstar]

Loaded sentences/questions *do* seem to be the mode du jour.

[Corrina]

Ma! He used FRENCH in a thread.

:my head hurts:

[Dreadstar]

Ma! He used FRENCH in a thread.

Actually, I think I MANGLED French in a thread.

Come 'on. It made me sound smart, didn't it?

[Typo Lad]

Typo, not to be a jerk about this, I am GENUINELY trying to understand. You posted a couple things that seemed to me to be VERY passive-aggressive, little drive-by things that I thought were sort of cheap. I know that's not a fun thing to hear and I'm sorry if I was rude in response. No, let's say it this way, I'm sorry I WAS rude in response.

I was not trying to be passive agressive. I didn't even think it would be taken that way. With your having said that, your responses were totally in line.

Allow me to return the appology: I'm sorry if I came off as a passive-agressive twit. I hate that sort of person.


I'm paraphrasing, but that stuff bugs me a lot more than just an honest insult. I'm not one of your favorite people? Why should I be? We barely know each other, right?

That was for a few people who assume that since I've been on CBR since the "silver age" (whatever that means), then I must be chums with all the other older posters.

...

Not that you're old!!!

Joking out of the way, it was a stupid thing to say that added nothing.

please don't hoit me

And that second phrase, ugh, it just bugs me. I certainly DID give a damn what you said until you said THAT, if you know what I mean. ;)

Hah. Way to marganalize myself...

I was saying it in light of my previous borderline picking on PatrickG. I figured you were all a bit sick of my by then.

And patrick, did I publically apologize for that? If not, sorry. I was just trying to get your point.

All that said, I'm happy to apologize for snipping at your comment and I'm very sincere and I hope at least you'll accept it. In this post, I'm only trying to tell you why I was irritated, not condone any snippy pissy comment I made.

Understood and accepted. And, as seen above, re-directed.

As I said, you seem to be aware of some disagreement we've had in the past, but honest to god, I have no memory of it whatsoever, not even a glimmer. I'm not saying that to minimize anything I may have said, it's simply a sad fact of how my memory works, and how seriously I take little internet blowups once the heat is off (which is to say, not very, as a rule).

Oh geeze. We had a thing like, a decade ago. A few people remember it and assume I hate you. I don't. I believe we even discussed it a few years ago. I remember it, but only because I have a long memory. I don't remember it in terms of "That dirty Gail! I hate her so because she was once mean to me!"

I save that for Brian Wood.

Kidding! Well, sort of.

As for not posting here, well, I understand and wish you well, but you're certainly welcome to any time you like

I wasn't saying I wasn't going to post on YABS, just that since I was anti-drifiting this thread too far off topic I would cease posting on it. Not because I'm a jerk, rather because I think this thread is important and felt guilty for drifting it so far the previous day.

Seriously, I think this thread is a Good Thing. People like Rick Olney need to be exposed. I wish to G-d someone had warned me about Rusty Gilligan when I first started - it would have saved me a lot of wasted time and a few thousand dollars.

As I keep trying to say, people say thoughtless things at times, we all do, I don't see the point in carrying around an endless spreadsheet of perceived insults

But with a PDA, it's all so easy!

to me, which is why (even though people scoff at this) I almost always forget about them soon after, with a couple notable exceptions.

I hold a total of three grudges. You're not one of them, I assure you.

So, I sincerely apologize, feel free to post whenever you like, and maybe next time I won't be quite so rash in responding. Fair enough?l

Only if you realize that I'm a dick sometimes, and that I don't always realize it.

Sorry!

[Matt Doc Martin]

Oh, that's it. You are SO gonna be BULLIED!

Gail, glaring harshly

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005QAU4.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Danny Donovan]

HEY! I've had my penicillan(sp?) shot a long time ago... I'm not a carrier anymore.

We put her through decontamination after she quit. I vouch for her, she's clean.

And yeah, lets not forget Rick invented charity, and anyone who has ever thought about doing something nice for anyone else is obviously stealing his ideas and should be flogged.

[Typo Lad]

He's sent a bunch of threatening emails, but other than that, he's gone totally Nessie, to the point of getting rid of nearly all his web presence. But we still have every threat and weird comment saved, thank goodness (and Matt, who I'm currently BULLYING!) ;)

If you're already bullying Matt, can I bully Papergirl? I heard she was also saving stuff, so she deserves a share.

Nessie's lawyers would like to speak to you about defimation of character.

[Gail Simone]

Loaded sentences/questions *do* seem to be the mode du jour.

That's the key phrase.

Gail

[Matt Doc Martin]

If you're already bullying Matt, can I bully Papergirl? I heard she was also saving stuff, so she deserves a share.

Nessie's lawyers would like to speak to you about defimation of character.

Papergirl would have your ass.

I'll make the popcorn!

[Dreadstar]

Papergirl would have your ass.

Why do you think Typo picked Papergirl?


duh.

[Gail Simone]

I was not trying to be passive agressive. I didn't even think it would be taken that way. With your having said that, your responses were totally in line.

Allow me to return the appology: I'm sorry if I came off as a passive-agressive twit. I hate that sort of person.



That was for a few people who assume that since I've been on CBR since the "silver age" (whatever that means), then I must be chums with all the other older posters.

...

Not that you're old!!!

Joking out of the way, it was a stupid thing to say that added nothing.

please don't hoit me



Hah. Way to marganalize myself...

I was saying it in light of my previous borderline picking on PatrickG. I figured you were all a bit sick of my by then.

And patrick, did I publically apologize for that? If not, sorry. I was just trying to get your point.



Understood and accepted. And, as seen above, re-directed.



Oh geeze. We had a thing like, a decade ago. A few people remember it and assume I hate you. I don't. I believe we even discussed it a few years ago. I remember it, but only because I have a long memory. I don't remember it in terms of "That dirty Gail! I hate her so because she was once mean to me!"

I save that for Brian Wood.

Kidding! Well, sort of.



I wasn't saying I wasn't going to post on YABS, just that since I was anti-drifiting this thread too far off topic I would cease posting on it. Not because I'm a jerk, rather because I think this thread is important and felt guilty for drifting it so far the previous day.

Seriously, I think this thread is a Good Thing. People like Rick Olney need to be exposed. I wish to G-d someone had warned me about Rusty Gilligan when I first started - it would have saved me a lot of wasted time and a few thousand dollars.



But with a PDA, it's all so easy!



I hold a total of three grudges. You're not one of them, I assure you.



Only if you realize that I'm a dick sometimes, and that I don't always realize it.

Sorry!



HA! Where's Solaris? She'd be happy to see that we sorta eventually get around sometimes to ALMOST acting like near-adults! :)

Sincerely, thanks for your post, all sins but my own are forgotten and forgiven, and hopefully (though it doesn't seem likely) I'll be a little bit smarter and more considerate next time.

And way to miss Typo's points, me! :P

Thanks, Typo...as for a decade-old argument, I'm fine with it staying forgotten!

Best wishes,

Gail

[Gail Simone]

If you're already bullying Matt, can I bully Papergirl? I heard she was also saving stuff, so she deserves a share.

Nessie's lawyers would like to speak to you about defimation of character.

Dude, Papergirl would MURDER ya.

You can bully, say...bert.

Gail

[Dreadstar]

HA! Where's Solaris?

Solaris quit CBR.

The goodbye thread is posted at YABS, infact.

[Gail Simone]

Solaris quit CBR.

The goodbye thread is posted at YABS, infact.

I know, but I can HOPE, can't I?

Gail

[Typo Lad]

Dude, Papergirl would MURDER ya.

You're talking to the father of the child who actually put Peeg on leash and led her around out apartment like a puppy.

I can totally take her.

You can bully, say...bert.

So what, because I'm Jewish I can only bully another Jew?

I think we need to feud again over this!

Water pistols at dawn!

I'll wear white.

Solaris quit CBR.

The goodbye thread is posted at YABS, infact.

The devil you say!

searches

[Dreadstar]

I know, but I can HOPE, can't I?

No.

It lacks pessimism.

[Michael P]

So, Comm/YABS is the new Comm/Rumbles?

(And once again, I am the monkey in the middle. Ook.)

[Gail Simone]

So, Comm/YABS is the new Comm/Rumbles?

(And once again, I am the monkey in the middle. Ook.)

Good Christ, I hope not.

Gail

[Typo Lad]

HA! Where's Solaris? She'd be happy to see that we sorta eventually get around sometimes to ALMOST acting like near-adults! :)

Oh no, I'm out of character.

Sincerely, thanks for your post, all sins but my own are forgotten and forgiven, and hopefully (though it doesn't seem likely) I'll be a little bit smarter and more considerate next time.

Same!

Thanks, Typo...as for a decade-old argument, I'm fine with it staying forgotten!

Good, because I don't plan on digging it out.

[Gail Simone]

Oh no, I'm out of character.



Same!



Good, because I don't plan on digging it out.


Wait, was it about Raisinets? I LOVE Raisinets!

It's ON, you bastard!

Gail, will throw down over Raisinets

[Typo Lad]

I'm all for Raisenettes.

I don't eat them anymore though, as Heshey uses chocolate made from child-slave labor, but that aside, they're yummy.

[Cam63]

Can't we all just get along?

I mean, c'mon, the Bears are in the Super Bowl.

But Gail is a meany. She made my cat throw up.

Did it throw up pansies ?

[Cam63]

HEY! I've had my penicillan(sp?) shot a long time ago... I'm not a carrier anymore.

Penicillin.

Or punnysullun if you're a Kiwi.

[Cam63]

He's sent a bunch of threatening emails, but other than that, he's gone totally Nessie, to the point of getting rid of nearly all his web presence. But we still have every threat and weird comment saved, thank goodness (and Matt, who I'm currently BULLYING!) ;)

Gail

Gail uses brahma bulls to bully with.

Matt will be luckier than a shortsighted matador on valium if he survives it.

[Cam63]

Papergirl would have your ass.

*Looks at Bev's arse*

No, she doesn't.

[Karl J. Barnes]

*Looks at Bev's arse*

No, she doesn't.

She has it hanging over her mantle, Cam.

[AaronJ]

Gail uses brahma bulls to bully with.

Matt will be luckier than a shortsighted matador on valium if he survives it.

I may never have been to a bullfight, but I'm guess that's not a good thing?

[Papergirl]

If you're already bullying Matt, can I bully Papergirl? I heard she was also saving stuff, so she deserves a share.

*thwaps Morts on the nose with a rolled up Sunday NY Times*

Nice try, pal. But I bully better than you do. :p

~Bev

[Papergirl]

Dude, Papergirl would MURDER ya.

You can bully, say...bert.

Gail

Yes, I would.

And, yes, bert needs to be bullied once in a while! ;)

~Bev

[TomStillwell]

Is there someone I can bully? I never get to bully anyone!!!

[Papergirl]

You're talking to the father of the child who actually put Peeg on leash and led her around out apartment like a puppy.

I can totally take her.

HA! To set the record straight, the "leash" in question is the kind that goes around a child's wrist so the kid can't wander too far from mommy or daddy. AND, I wasn't just "lead" around the apartment, I was dragged to the point of running to keep up with her! In high-heeled boots! Your downstairs neighbors must have been wondering when I'd leave! :p

And, as has been proven, Typo Tot is too damned cute to resist.

Morts, it wouldn't work for you. You're not a cute little 3 or 4 year old. I'd kick your butt, and you know it. And NOT in an enjoyable way. ;)

~Bev
Misses Typo Tot! :(

[Typo Lad]

I could take you Bev. Three falls out of five.

I get to be shirts!

[Ronée]

We put her through decontamination after she quit. I vouch for her, she's clean.

And yeah, lets not forget Rick invented charity, and anyone who has ever thought about doing something nice for anyone else is obviously stealing his ideas and should be flogged.
yep, I was shaved and everything!:D

[AaronJ]

I could take you Bev. Three falls out of five.

I get to be shirts!

Although that seems like an attractive idea now, it could prove costly in the concentration department.

I'd rethink that plan, were I you.

[Papergirl]

I could take you Bev. Three falls out of five.

I get to be shirts!
Keep dreaming! :p

~Bev

[Cam63]

I may never have been to a bullfight, but I'm guess that's not a good thing?

http://www.tekchic.com/blog/images/bullrider.jpg

This is what I was talking about rather than bullfighting.

[AaronJ]

This is what I was talking about rather than bullfighting.

That looks painful. I'll pass, thank you very much.

[Cam63]

Not if you're the bull.

[Typo Lad]

Keep dreaming! :p

~Bev
Papergirl: Causing disturbingly pleasant dreams for over two decades.

[MacQuarrie]

I'm all for Raisenettes.

I don't eat them anymore though, as Heshey uses chocolate made from child-slave labor, but that aside, they're yummy.

Hershey is owned by an orphanage, so they're allowed to use child slave labor.

Okay, no, they aren't.

[AaronJ]

Not if you're the bull.

I thought they tied that strap around his, you know, to get him to buck like that?

Granted, still probably better off than getting kicked there BY the bull, but still, ouch.

[Typo Lad]

Yeah Jim, that just adds sweet irony to the stronger flavor of the blood of children.

Mmm. Like mother's Matzoh.

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Bugs was the saving grace.

The rest sucked like a Hoover on speed.

I again disagree. There were quite a few gems in the 70s (including the introduction to the tasmanian devil! :D) and you don't even mention the great Daffy Duck and Sylvestor stuff? Or Marvin the Martian? For shame...Just for shame.

And no one has mentioned Pinky and The Brain? Best. Cartoon. Ever.

JP

[Sarah Beach]

Topic! Topic! There is one around here, isn't there? Heh.

So, I was wondering.... RO made noises about attending MegaCon.

Anyone taking/making bets on whether or not he'll actually show up now?

I've been trying to imagine what would happen if he did. Like, no one would ever talk to him. Creators would be sitting at their tables, and he'd move up the fan line and hand something over to be autographed, the creator would look up, read the name (if they didn't know his face), and hand the item back unsigned. "Sorry. Nothing for you. Beat it."

(Well, I can dream, can't I?)

[AaronJ]

Topic! Topic! There is one around here, isn't there? Heh.

Sometimes! For a while there, it was an actual war. Then ... well, yeah ... thread drift.

So, I was wondering.... RO made noises about attending MegaCon.

Anyone taking/making bets on whether or not he'll actually show up now?

God, I would love to find someone to take that bet. There are some Absolute Editions I don't have yet. :)

[Typo Lad]

I think he said earlier that he would not be attending after all.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Topic! Topic! There is one around here, isn't there? Heh.

So, I was wondering.... RO made noises about attending MegaCon.

Anyone taking/making bets on whether or not he'll actually show up now?

I've been trying to imagine what would happen if he did. Like, no one would ever talk to him. Creators would be sitting at their tables, and he'd move up the fan line and hand something over to be autographed, the creator would look up, read the name (if they didn't know his face), and hand the item back unsigned. "Sorry. Nothing for you. Beat it."

(Well, I can dream, can't I?)

he ain't going.

But again, I will be at the Something Positive booth at 11:00, Rick. I'd love to meet you!

[TCJohnson]

So...how many law suits are there against him that we know about right now?

[Gail Simone]

I can just imagine the reception he'd get at any major con at this point. Not that I'd want anyone to confront him in any way, but I can't imagine it would be a very cheery reception.

Gail

[Typo Lad]

"Hi, I'm Rick Olney...hey...is that tar and feathers? What's going on?"

[Sarah Beach]

I can just imagine the reception he'd get at any major con at this point. Not that I'd want anyone to confront him in any way, but I can't imagine it would be a very cheery reception.

Gail

Exactly.

And although he had been specifically mentioning MegaCon for this year, I know in the past he's gone to the Comicon in Pittsburgh. And one would think that the New York con would be "reasonable" for him to try to get to.

So I've just been wondering if his ego would push him into going to something.


On the other hand, he might now have been so burnt in the comics arena that he'll move on to something else. Toys, action figures, perhaps. Although with the overlap, and the fact that I would imagine that's an even smaller arena.... where's he going to be a big fish?

[Matt Doc Martin]

Exactly.

And although he had been specifically mentioning MegaCon for this year, I know in the past he's gone to the Comicon in Pittsburgh. And one would think that the New York con would be "reasonable" for him to try to get to.

So I've just been wondering if his ego would push him into going to something.


On the other hand, he might now have been so burnt in the comics arena that he'll move on to something else. Toys, action figures, perhaps. Although with the overlap, and the fact that I would imagine that's an even smaller arena.... where's he going to be a big fish?

Hentai midget porn?

[colleen]

About small claims (because lots of people mentioned it but nothing concrete was ever posted.)

Small claims is not always an option when suing your publisher.

In the first place, the earlier posts about the small claims limitation were a bit inaccurate because the small claims limitation is different in each state. One state may have a $5,000 limitation while the next will have a $4,000 limitation.

Second, depending on the contract, you may not be able to sue in small claims. If the contract requires a specific type of adjudication or jurisdiction, as long as the contract is in force, it may restrict your ability to sue in small claims court. The contract may require that any adjudication take place in the state in which the contract was drafted.

Third, you may not be able to sue in small claims court across state lines. If you are in Florida, you may not be able to sue in Nevada.

The remedy: any contract you sign that also contains an adjudication clause should have another clause added by you protecting your right to sue in small claims court in your own jurisdiction for amounts in dispute under the small claims limitation.

I have never had a client not agree to this clause because only a crook would refuse.

If you do have to sue, make sure you submit every single part of your job with a separate purchase order number. Parse out each part of the job in small amounts. Say you have five segments of the book, and the segments account for invoices of $1,000 each. The small claims limitation in your state is $4,000.

No problem! You have five invoices. Sue for a couple of those invoices once, come back and sue for the rest next week. Perfectly legal, and you stay under the small claims limitation allowing you to avoid costly legal fees.

If you join the Graphic Artists Guild or the Volunteer Lawyers for the Arts, you can receive free or low cost legal advice on how to proceed with this matter, based on the terms spelled out in your contract.

http://www.gag.org

http://www.vlany.org

May I also stress that the Graphic Artists Guild has a jobline that allows you to access lists of clients looking for artists and designers. There's no reason to work for bottom feeders to get your break. Legitimate publishers are always on the lookout for qualified people.

Please avail yourself of these resources for advancement and education. The comic book business is not the only arena of the arts and entertainment industry that is full of con men and lousy clients. For a small annual fee, you will have access to a network of top creators and clients and you can avoid some of the trauma we've seen play out here.


c

[the4thpip]

Not sure if this has been posted yet (I gave up on trying to catch up on all the pages I missed while I was in Amsterdam), but Tony Isabella has some polls (http://www.worldfamouscomics.com/tony/poll/) about Olneygate.

[Cam63]

I again disagree. There were quite a few gems in the 70s (including the introduction to the tasmanian devil! :D) and you don't even mention the great Daffy Duck and Sylvestor stuff? Or Marvin the Martian? For shame...Just for shame.

And no one has mentioned Pinky and The Brain? Best. Cartoon. Ever.

JP

Taz was created in the '40s and Daffy's, Sylvester's and Marvin's best work was done before the '60s.

More bite and funnier than the stuff that came after.

[Hybrid2]

Actually, I think I MANGLED French in a thread.

Come 'on. It made me sound smart, didn't it?

not to anyone that actualy know french.:p

What where you trying to say?

Le Mots du jour?

[Typo Lad]

Plus, the latter WB cartoons has the really, really racist Speedy Gonzolez cartoons.

[MacQuarrie]

Taz was created in the '40s and Daffy's, Sylvester's and Marvin's best work was done before the '60s.

More bite and funnier than the stuff that came after.

Robert McKimson introduced Taz in "Devil May Hare" in 1954.

[Cam63]

I thought they tied that strap around his, you know, to get him to buck like that?

Granted, still probably better off than getting kicked there BY the bull, but still, ouch.

I could be wrong, but I don't think they're allowed to do that anymore.

[Lester C.]

Has anyone been able to keep up with this thead?

[Blake Petit]

I have, by driving alongside it and handing it water bottles out the window.

Stopping for gas is murder, though.

[Sean McKeever]

JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY...

How did those of you unfortunate enough to encounter Rick actually first come across him? Did he email you, meet you at a con, what?

Just wondering.

Gail

Email out of the blue.

[Dreadstar]

What where you trying to say?

"Order of the day" as in everyone's doing it. I thought perhaps that "fashion of the day" might be correct.

What the hell do I know, though? I've never taken a French lesson in my life. Enh.

[Gail Simone]

Email out of the blue.

I thought I smelled something!

Oh, it's McKEEVER.

Gail

[Sean McKeever]

I thought I smelled something!

Oh, it's McKEEVER.

Gail

You need new material, Miss! Stat!

:cool:

[Gail Simone]

You need new material, Miss! Stat!

:cool:

OUCH!

Damn.

Let's see...

Crap.

DANG!


Gail