Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[MacQuarrie]

Hmmm... appears to me that you are perfectly satisfied feeding on this sort of pablum versus doing as was suggested to you to get paid and remove yourself from this matter. Sign your NDA and contract and return them. Other than that, my hands are tied legally.

I am enjoying the topic though, obviously. It will not stop me from publishing my books ... including Tales of The Spooky #1, once the legalities are sorted out. We're still having a June MMC, and people are being paid by my company.

Oh, and "Gail"... Dennis was really impressed with your remark about how his car smelled. :rolleyes:

Dude, your legal name is Richard. Should we all put quotes around "Rick" every time we call you by your preferred name? "Bob" Hope's real name was Leslie. So what if Gail is using a professional name other than the one on her birth certificate? What is that to you?

Are you equally suspicious of Frances Gumm, Joe Yule Jr, Anna Mae Bullock, William Henry Pratt, Anna Maria Italiano, Doris Kappelhoff, and thousands of others? (That's Judy Garland, Mickey Rooney, Tina Turner, Boris Karloff, Anne Bancroft, and Doris Day, by the way. Nefarious criminals, the lot of 'em, since they all hide behind phony names.)

This "Gail" business is stupid and infantile and it makes you look like a dick, Dick.

[Hybrid2]

This thread doesn't need derailing. It needs to stay just as it is so that every time someone Googles "Rick Olney" this thread comes up high in the search results.
True,true.


I was actually thinking of impaling the suit. Seemed more fitting for the current situation.

I impale everyting.

no descrimination.

[MacQuarrie]

I notice you have a tribute to Stan Lee on your site. Why didn't you put his name in quotes? You do know that "Stan Lee" is a pseudonym, right? As are Jack Kirby, Bob Kane, and many other comics notables.

So, what's your deal? Are you, as has been suggested, subtly threatening Gail with the revelation of her true identity if she doesn't stop telling the truth about you? If so, you are a ridiculous man.

Suppose you tear Gail's mask off. So what? What will happen? I'll tell you what: everybody will read her name and say "Huh. Never heard of her. Interesting." And then they will go about their business and forget all about her real name. This bit of utterly irrelevant information will become a question at comic book trivia contests and will change nothing. Gail will still be Gail and you will still be Dick.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Amazing. The tool actually shows his face here.

At least it isn't that LooseLip Logo.

So tell me, dick, what IS my surprise? You did promise me one at MegaCon.

Though I don't see that TightLip has a table.


Do you need a loan?

(Just promise me you'll pay me back!)

[Gail Simone]

I'm off this thread, don't care if the deadbeat (if everyone's being paid, why am I getting letters almost every day from people saying they're being stiffed) posts here. Unlike him, I'm not a control freak who is terrified of not controlling everyone around them lest they say something that makes me cry.

But it's important that a good guy isn't smeared by more of Olney's inability to read in English. Dennis wasn't the smelly. It was Rick. And I wasn't the only one who thought so, it was a subject of much discussion at the con.

To be fair, maybe he doesn't always have B.O. Maybe the hard work of planning to cheat people made him extra stinky. But his car REEKED.

On the other hand, we got a ride from Mike Kaluta, who couldn't have been sweeter and nicer and more of a gentleman. And whose car doesn't smell like B.O.

Gail

[MacQuarrie]

Ooh! Hey! Lookie!

At the bottom of the MiniCon page it says "Entire contents Copyright(C) 2006 TightLip Entertainment and Rick Olney. Website information may not be reproduced in part or whole in any form without prior written permission of TightLip Entertainment and Rick Olney. All Rights Reserved."

I quoted a whole rant from that site on this forum without prior written permission. Sue me! Sue me, Rick! Come on, it'll be fun!

[Gail Simone]

I should mention Rick pulled this same thing with Ronee recently, too, taking a comment I made about HIS ridiculous ineptitude as a writer (check his tightlipentertainment thing for some of the worst promo copy this side of Ed Wood), and trying to make it about Ronee's writing, which I hadn't even read.

Can't be any clearer...RICK smelled at the con, and RICK wrote the shitty copy on the TLE website. Parsing it is like trying to reassamble the oranges in a carton of juice, except without the vitamins.

And...done. Rick, I don't care if you post more lies here, but for once, have a little decency and try not to blame Dennis or one of your other few remaining friends when the problems we're discussing are about YOU.

And that's it, back to more fun posts.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Ooh! Hey! Lookie!

At the bottom of the MiniCon page it says "Entire contents Copyright(C) 2006 TightLip Entertainment and Rick Olney. Website information may not be reproduced in part or whole in any form without prior written permission of TightLip Entertainment and Rick Olney. All Rights Reserved."

I quoted a whole rant from that site on this forum without prior written permission. Sue me! Sue me, Rick! Come on, it'll be fun!

heh.

PLEBE!

I love being insulted when the insultER doesn't understand the term involved.

Gail

[EdContradictory]

Oh, and "Gail"... Dennis was really impressed with your remark about how his car smelled. :rolleyes:
Hey Rick, America needs tighter gun control laws.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Hey Rick, America needs tighter gun control laws.

Now you are just teasing.

[OzBat!]

I take it all back. Richard obviously DOES have reading comprehension skills, he was able to follow my instructions for getting back in here okay. Phew! That's a relief!

Because now I know for certain that he can read and understand what we wrote, AND he knows exactly what we meant by them. The sad bit is he wilfully chooses to twist and ignore whatever he wants to, which makes his actions all the more reprehensible.






I'm also going back and changing every reference in my posts to his name to "Rick" or "Richard". We already have a poster named rick on this site, who has a damn sight more honour and character than this deceiver. They just don't compare, and I don't want anybody to confuse them.

[Matt Algren]

Sign your NDA and contract and return them. Other than that, my hands are tied legally.Yesterday I put it in the form of a question, but I'll say it outright, since you didn't get it. If you permitted the work to be done sans signed contract (etc), that's the situation you have to live with. You can't come back to someone after the work's been done and demand that they sign some sort of retroactive contract before you'll pay them for the work they've already done. That's just illegal.

Somebody back me up on this. I'm right, right? For example, my boss can't come to me tomorrow and say, "By the way, you're not getting paid for last week's work until you sign this piece of paper." Right?

Unless I work for the mob, of course. Then, all bets are off.

[EdContradictory]

You're right. Rick's just a Mega-Giganta-Fibber.



Rick, the NRA does not properly train people on firearm safety.

[MacQuarrie]

Yesterday I put it in the form of a question, but I'll say it outright, since you didn't get it. If you permitted the work to be done sans signed contract (etc), that's the situation you have to live with. You can't come back to someone after the work's been done and demand that they sign some sort of retroactive contract before you'll pay them for the work they've already done. That's just illegal.

Somebody back me up on this. I'm right, right? For example, my boss can't come to me tomorrow and say, "By the way, you're not getting paid for last week's work until you sign this piece of paper." Right?

Unless I work for the mob, of course. Then, all bets are off.

The only thing preventing "Rick" from paying Ronee is lack of desire. If he wanted to pay, he'd pay. His hands are not tied legally. As Matt said, if signing the contract was an issue, he should not have allowed the work to commence before it was signed.

And as somebody else pointed out, a signed NDA would not prevent Ronee or anyone else from publicly stating that they hadn't been paid. Stiffing one's employees is not a proprietary trade secret and is not covered by an NDA.

"Rick" is a deadbeat and he's using made-up legalities as an excuse for screwing people out of money they earned.

[kingdom2000]

Legally, if Rick where to take this to court, more then likely it would blow up in his face. He would be on the hook for services rendered, NDR or no NDR. Its up to the place of business, not the courts, to get contracts signed. If the contracts where not signed thats Rick's problem and not the laws.

Also if you signed one of his standard NDR, it applies from the date of the signing fowardard. They are not retroactive unless the legalese to do so is added. So theoritically then, any NEW information about his company from that date forward could be contested in court, but any old information couldn't be. But really, when dealing with people of this sort, you signature to his legal documents should never meet until your own lawyer has vetted it five ways to sunday.

[DocAbsurd]

I don't believe anyone who's owed monies from 2005 back was ever asked to sign a contract, NDA, whatever. Sarah Haslett, meself, and a few other columnists wrote out of the kindness of hearts and a handshake. And I know for a fact that Sarah stopped writing for the exact same reason as the rest of us, and got the exact same excuses.

And has the exact same results to show.

Why did it take so long for me to see this pattern?




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[Ian Boothby]

Where Ronee's concerned that just isn't true. She knew according to what she had encountered with the other talents that a signed NDA and contract was required to be able to be paid for services rendered. She should consult an attorney before speaking or allowing someone such as yourself to speak for her.

So you have no ability to pay her now? If you have the money, pay the lady. If you don't you're hiding behind a loophole and that doesn't put you on the side of the angels.
Gail is one of the most ethical people I know. A good rule of thumb is, if you piss her off enough for her to post about it, you're in the wrong. You're in the wrong Rick. To paraphrase Kids in the Hall's Brain Candy, "I know it, people know it, dogs know it". You're in no way shape or form on the ethical highground.
You owe good people money. Pay them. If you can't pay them now, apologize sincerely and then get a job that allows you to pay them.
And stop threatening to sue, it's a douchebag thing to do.

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[Corrina]

Yes. That legal term is called libel. And to win in court, you have to prove that it's not true.

Have fun with that.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Rick as someone who is more or less an observer of this situation when Johnston broke it. I just have one question. Its not a slam , meant to pick at you or be anything but a fair and honest question.

Question 1# Ok , now as someone who is running a company that produces comics and this situation has came up...can you honestly feel you could lure talent to Tightlip with accusations you owe everyone ? I mean the internet has made the comics world a smaller place and many will know your reputation. Could you honestly produce a line of comics with this hanging over your image now ?

Question 2# Ok now heres a fair question. You claim you can't pay the talent due to the NDA's and all. But why not ? They did the work 1st and have worked for you . I do contracting work and I have to sign contracts on what I do up front. Lay it out...and then go about my business and do my job.

If I do not get a contract signed or do the work without one 1st then its a risk. I could do the work without getting paid. Its up to me as the guy doing the work to get things done on paper. Its also up to the employer last I heard to get all applications and handle the employees salary , hourly wage and benefits .

Now with these 2 questions why couldn't they be paid ? As their boss it appears you were responsible for the whole show it appears. Ronee and others have said they did not sign any NDA's. So lets elminate that discussion. But as a business who employed people , surely you have something in writing on them ?

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[Matt Doc Martin]

And are you going to MegaCon? If so, what is the surprise you promised me? Or do you pick and choose what you respond to like what you choose to pay?

and SUPERECWFAN1 has it right on with both of his questions. As I told you before, your company is going the way of your "lawsuits". Nowhere.

There is no evidence you have ANY NDA's signed, and I take the word of people like Gail, Chuck, and Ronee over someone who admits to being an asshole who refuse to pay monies owed.

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[Matt Doc Martin]

I would think the only paperwork she is really required to sign is Form W-4.

And "Others" include Gail and Chuck.

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[bert]

wow. . .Orcafresh is Rick?

has this always been the case? (eyes low post count).

Rick, I wish I could say I understand and respect how this is playing out. . . but I can't.

However, I can say that I wish everyone the best, and that I hope you are successful in your endeavors -- if only to get enough Capital to cover monies owed to those who worked for you.

paying your employees is just the right thing to do.

best,
bert

[Matt Doc Martin]

Please. Post these "threatening emails". I saved all mine.

Here's one from you, with my response.

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[Sarah Beach]

Wow. The Olney School of Law has descended upon us. Gosh, how honored are we?

But seriously, regardless of what Mr. Olney is saying about Ronee's not getting paid until she signs a (retroactive? nuh uh) DNA, he accepted her services for the duration. Which means an implicit contractural agreement on his part. From all descriptions of his company, it doesn't seem to be a very big operation, so, basically, he's saying that he let her work all that time, knowing she hadn't signed the agreement.

In spite of the Hollywood dictum that a verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on, there is sufficient legal precedent out of Hollywood deals for a company to be liable for payment of services rendered, regardless of the paper trail. Especially when there are plenty of witnesses that the Party of the Second Part (Ronee) did indeed deliver the services to the Party of the First Part (Olney & TightLip).

[TomStillwell]

Well, I will! Just as soon as she signs and has her NDA notarized, and signs and returns her contract. Not until.

So, Rick, if Ronee signed a notarized NDA and contract tomorrow, had it shipped to you express, she could expect payment when?

Are you willing to put that in a legally binding contract? That's you'd pay Ronee within X amount of days after she'd lived up to her part of the agreement?

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[Matt Algren]

Where Ronee's concerned that just isn't true. She knew according to what she had encountered with the other talents that a signed NDA and contract was required to be able to be paid for services rendered. She should consult an attorney before speaking or allowing someone such as yourself to speak for her.You are on the moon, "Rick". The MOON.

If there's one thing Judge Judy has taught me over the years, it's that the "she shoulda known" defense don't work. That and the whole "Don't pee on my leg and telling me it's raining" thing. Oddly enough, they both fit this situation. Maybe you should watch the good Judge more.

(And by the way, where did you get the idea that I speak for Ronée Bourgeois? I don't, obviously.)

[DocAbsurd]

Looks like I picked a great time to post this.

Sorry I was quiet yesterday. Had to work both jobs, and I was still unwinding and settling down from the pain for over an hour; even had to call in sick today.

However, it looks like my Daphne hasn't been quiet. Apparently, Rick wrote her back:

'Hi Daphne, Merry Christmas! I have never called or reference Tim as my flunky" so you're aware.

'I actually owe Tim $300 dollars. That was for column writing that he did in support of my website two years back.'

(No, he actually owes me $450 for 9 columns, plus reimbursement for the toys reviewed and 'a little something extra for being so patient.' Head on over to the MMC site and see for yourself. I'd completely written off the last half dozen I completed when I was instructed by Rick himself to hold off until he got the finances together.)

(And I wanna make something clear: I love my craft. I love cartooning, I love writing, I love toys. I started the columns before Rick offered any recompense for them. There were a few of us doing the same, and slowly everyone else dropped out when it looked like the monies would never appear. I kept going because I love writing, and I figured it was money in the bank. I've done plenty of work for free in the past, and I plan on doing the same in the future. I enjoy supporting my fellow creators whenever I can.)

'Well, "everyone" doesn't exactly add up to even 1/10th percentile of New York State, just to put it into perspective. Tim felt betrayed when his name was brought up by Rich Johnston, and I merely told Johnston (in private email) to check with Tim about his side of things. Beyond that and Tim getting angry ... I understand, and I instantly emailed him upon reading Rich Johnston's column and seeing his name ... but he obviously didn't care to hear the explanation and such from me. Likewise, I spoke to him ONCE on the telephone after that happened and he never mentioned it to me ... so I figured we were cool.'

(There goes that retconning again. In the article from 12/08/06, Rick was quoted thusly: "Far as Martin Oakley and Ian Shires, I'd suggest that you investigate further. Neither of these people have credibility and Chuck Dixon wasn't involved with the very short period of time in late 2004 that Martin Oakley tried to nuzzle up under my arse to free ride. Oakley is known to be two quarts shy of full crank case. And Shires and my back association with his small press group as a co-administrator is well known to people like Tim Tobolski, aka Doc_Absurd on the CBR message boards. You should seek Tim out and get his input. Or not. Again, you don't appear to be on anything but a witch hunt, adding to the bully pile. Sad for you and your readers actually, far as I'm concerned." As I've stated ad nauseum, my history with Mr Shires has nothing to do with Martin Oakley, Chuck Dixon, or whomever else is in this conspiracy theory. And I've gone thru all my email accounts -- Hotmail, Yahoo and GMail, even my former-moderator account at the MMC -- to find absolutely nothing but a few insistances from June this year to sign an NDA. Likewise, the last time I spoke Rick on the phone was sometime the last week in November, before the article was posted; I started my second job just before then so catching me at home any time before 10.30 is a rarity. Ask Daphne. There was no message on my answerphone. I knew nothing about it, and my only reaction to seeing my name -- my real name -- mentioned was shock and disbelief. I also know that Rich asks for permission to quote emails from firsthand experience; he wouldn't have posted anything from Rick's email without consent. I haven't talked to him again since. There has been no explanation. Besides, he's not exactly the type of person to let any notoriety pass without some bit of crowing. First time anything came up about TLE in LitG, he had a posting on the MMC boards the next day; yet the one where I got mentioned passed by without comment. I held my tongue for him to make the first word. How can I possibly care for an explanation that never existed?)

(I do love how he twists everything. He constantly goes on about people slamming him, but he has no problem running around and putting quotes around their name, brandying insults like 'plebe', 'twit' and 'few quarts shy of a crankcase'. He's gone so far as calling Lance Boucher 'mealy-mouthed' when the guy has to be, without a doubt, the kindest, most understanding, most forgiving creator in small press. It's like calling Ghandi a wimp for not fighting for his beliefs.)

'That's nice, but the ICC (and subsequent logo) is all Tim's. I erased the myspace page, and the Yahoo.com egroup. It can either be worked with or blow to the dust. I want nothing to do with small press and those people composing the cliques within it.'

(Again, I knew nothing about this, even though I was supposed to be 'in charge'. First wind I got was the email from Lance. Christmas morning. Nothing from Rick. Or was that included in the phone call and email? And there's that twist again; he wanted the ICC because he loved the comeraderie of small press creators. Now we're 'cliques'. At least I've got it here in writing that I can go ahead with my plans for the ICC; I've got both support and financial backing already.)

No, I actually know the truth that you have not seen as yet. My reputation will hold up under all this -- And my honesty as a person was never at risk. It is a shame though that Tim and I are no longer friends. So for however that happened, I'm sorry.

(I don't even know the truth. And sorry, but I tell my Daphne everything. We've both been thru too much in our lives to keep secrets from each other. I tell her every phone call, every email, every conversation. If there's a 'truth [she has] not seen as yet', it's because no-one has. Oh, I'm biting my tongue on the 'reputation' comment.)

Well, Daph... I certainly wish you and Tim much luck and happiness together in the coming years. He deseves a good woman that loves him for all his creativity and unique personality. Thank you for your email today. Rick Olney

(How the hell does he manage to say 'unique personality' and make it sound like an insult?)

I'll be posting Daphne's reply to this immediately following, without my interjections.




Doc 'DVD Commentary' Absurd

[Matt Doc Martin]

Should you see me... walk up nice and easy.

From what I hear I best stay upwind as well.

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[DocAbsurd]

As promised:

'Mr. Olney, First of all my name is Daphne, you do not know me well enough nor will you ever know me well enough to call me Daph. Better yet, call me Mrs. Smallwood-Tobolski, since I like it and I would like to see you wrap your twisted tongue around that three times real fast.

'I received word that you happened to put it in print that my attorney is an "idiot": well it just so happens, that he asked me to let you know that he is a very well educated idiot as he was second in his class at Harvard Law School and holds 2 other PhD's in other "idiotic" areas as well. And since my family has had him on a retainer for 20 years and he makes "Ben Matlock" look like an nestling, I just thought perhaps you should know who would be dealing with.

'Please do not pretend that YOU erased your Myspace.com account on your own, after my attorney read over it, he contacted the owners of MySpace and asked that your site be removed until further notice. Myspace .com is a free entertainment public service for those of proper age to use its capabilities, and I can assure you that your solicitations through it with the promises of a paycheck for services rendered is a no-no.

'You say you owe Tim $300.00 and that it is a 2 year outstanding debt, so excuse me if I am wrong, but if you owed this kind of money to your car payment, electric bill, or telephone company, your services would have been shut off and the car repossessed. What makes you think all of these people you owe is working for you for free? Two years is a long time to pay off a debt and no Tim never complained, he isn't that type of man, but you could have sent $10.00 a week to try to attempt to pay, by not doing so, it is fraud.

'Actually, the name TightLip Entertainment is rather funny... did you expect the ones your ripping off to keep tight lips about it, or was you sure your "so-called" wonderful reputation would come to your rescue? Either way it is a hoot and I am getting a kick out of that ugly logo, looks like my ex-husband's new fat wife high on crack. You say you don't know why you and Tim are no longer friends, well heres a clue buy a dictionary, or better yet look for one online and look up the term "bonehead" it will be easy to find as your picture will be right below it.

'I would say thank you for wishing Tim and myself every happiness, but since I sense the sarcasm with which it was written, allow me to to just say kiss our collective Tobolski's asses, sarcasm intended and well-directed. Happy New Year to you and yours, DAPHNE 'not Daph' Smallwood-Tobolski'

See? No comments necessary.

And she's allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll mine.




Doc 'Silence Can Be Golden' Absurd

[Matt Doc Martin]

You're a funny guy... I think you'll be lucky if you're still on your feet.

Hey, man...I just heard you smelled bad...I didn't realize it was THAT bad.

I'll just keep an eye out for a short, bearded man dodging creditors.

[Matt Doc Martin]

As promised:

'Mr. Olney, First of all my name is Daphne, you do not know me well enough nor will you ever know me well enough to call me Daph. Better yet, call me Mrs. Smallwood-Tobolski, since I like it and I would like to see you wrap your twisted tongue around that three times real fast.

'I received word that you happened to put it in print that my attorney is an "idiot": well it just so happens, that he asked me to let you know that he is a very well educated idiot as he was second in his class at Harvard Law School and holds 2 other PhD's in other "idiotic" areas as well. And since my family has had him on a retainer for 20 years and he makes "Ben Matlock" look like an nestling, I just thought perhaps you should know who would be dealing with.

'Please do not pretend that YOU erased your Myspace.com account on your own, after my attorney read over it, he contacted the owners of MySpace and asked that your site be removed until further notice. Myspace .com is a free entertainment public service for those of proper age to use its capabilities, and I can assure you that your solicitations through it with the promises of a paycheck for services rendered is a no-no.

'You say you owe Tim $300.00 and that it is a 2 year outstanding debt, so excuse me if I am wrong, but if you owed this kind of money to your car payment, electric bill, or telephone company, your services would have been shut off and the car repossessed. What makes you think all of these people you owe is working for you for free? Two years is a long time to pay off a debt and no Tim never complained, he isn't that type of man, but you could have sent $10.00 a week to try to attempt to pay, by not doing so, it is fraud.

'Actually, the name TightLip Entertainment is rather funny... did you expect the ones your ripping off to keep tight lips about it, or was you sure your "so-called" wonderful reputation would come to your rescue? Either way it is a hoot and I am getting a kick out of that ugly logo, looks like my ex-husband's new fat wife high on crack. You say you don't know why you and Tim are no longer friends, well heres a clue buy a dictionary, or better yet look for one online and look up the term "bonehead" it will be easy to find as your picture will be right below it.

'I would say thank you for wishing Tim and myself every happiness, but since I sense the sarcasm with which it was written, allow me to to just say kiss our collective Tobolski's asses, sarcasm intended and well-directed. Happy New Year to you and yours, DAPHNE 'not Daph' Smallwood-Tobolski'

See? No comments necessary.

And she's allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll mine.




Doc 'Silence Can Be Golden' Absurd



Quoted for truth.

[THEDOC]

Gail said:

check his tightlipentertainment thing for some of the worst promo copy this side of Ed Wood)
Gee Gail I think Ed had more talent than "Rick".

Doc_Absurd said:
I do love how he twists everything. He constantly goes on about people slamming him, but he has no problem running around and putting quotes around their name, brandying insults like 'plebe', 'twit' and 'few quarts shy of a crankcase'. He's gone so far as calling Lance Boucher 'mealy-mouthed' when the guy has to be, without a doubt, the kindest, most understanding, most forgiving creator in small press. It's like calling Ghandi a wimp for not fighting for his beliefs.)

Gee thanks Tim, am I blushing..can I show this to my boss when my next raise comes up?? :)


Actually Tim I take my cue from you Bro. Hope we can meet at The Jam in March. Yo Daphne.:D

[TomStillwell]

It would go from TightLip Entertainment to our legal counsel and that decision would be made by them. I don't anticipate that it would take long at all.



Ronee has already resigned. So her pay is actully 'locked' legally until the NDA and contract, or in a few cases I'm told a legal release will only be required to get payment in motion. But without signing the NDA and a contract or release from further obligation ... Nada.

Got it. So you won't agree to sign anything that would make you cough up what she is owed even if Ronee jumped through all your hoops. Thanks for the clarification.

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Suppose you tear Gail's mask off. So what? What will happen?

I suppose someone will say something like "It's Old Man Withers!" and there will follow a convoluted explanation about him capitalizing on the legend of Gail Simone to scare everyone away from the old amusement park so he can search for the buried treasure, and how he would have gotten away with it if not for those meddling kids. After which a talking Great Dane will embark on a hilarious pratfall.

[TCJohnson]

No, it is actually only $300 dollars and then that may even be wrong. But we can haggle whenever you're ready. There was never any offer to reimburse you on toys reviewed.



So if you may be wrong then it may not just $300 but actually be $450, correct?

[orcafresh]

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[Matt Algren]

I suppose someone will say something like "It's Old Man Withers!" and there will follow a convoluted explanation about him capitalizing on the legend of Gail Simone to scare everyone away from the old amusement park so he can search for the buried treasure, and how he would have gotten away with it if not for those meddling kids. After which a talking Great Dane will embark on a hilarious pratfall.
You edited in the punchline I almost posted. I was afraid you were starting to slip!

[Ian Boothby]

Hey Sarah! Life's a beach, and then you die! :D


That is a creepy fucking thing to say.

[DocAbsurd]

Some quick math.

I had 9 columns posted on the MMC site.

The 'going rate' for a column of 500 words was quoted to me as '$50 per'.

9 columns X $50 = $450

No amount of haggling involved.




Doc 'Checked My Figures with my 9 Year-Old' Absurd

[orcafresh]

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[Matt Algren]

Do you pay him?

[orcafresh]

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[Ronée]

Where Ronee's concerned that just isn't true. She knew according to what she had encountered with the other talents that a signed NDA and contract was required to be able to be paid for services rendered. She should consult an attorney before speaking or allowing someone such as yourself to speak for her.no dear, I was told by you that I did not need a contract to be paid and i can produce proof if u want it to be public knowledge.

[Matt Doc Martin]

no dear, I was told by you that I did not need a contract to be paid and i can produce proof if u want it to be public knowledge.

DO IT!!!! Surely that would make him shut up and do the right thing, when faced with blatant facts?

Wouldn't it?

Oh...we ARE talking about Olney-World here...

[orcafresh]

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[Sarah Beach]

Oh, Ian, not to worry! Like I said in that earlier post, such silly "word play" possibilities have hung around me all my life (inevitable). But fortuantely, I seem to have earned the respect of my peers (even in elementary school), as not one of them ever made such comments to my face, in my hearing, or in the hearing of any of my friends. <Takes a curtain call to the audience.> ;)

As for Himself: righto. <Checks checklist, and finds item: Fourth grade sense of humor. Makes check-off.>

Oh, and just to be clear to all readers: My peers do NOT include people who cannot distinguish between the words "tort" and "retort", or who feel that the word "greed" needs to be qualified or amplified by the word "self". Folks like that have a long way to go to rise even near the level of "peer".

Just to be clear.

[orcafresh]

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[Matt Doc Martin]

No, rather the contrary; If my attorney felt that the companies conditions had been met then I'm sure we'd sign and do whatever it takes (within reason) to release Ms. Bourgeois properly. Is that clearer for you?


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I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a burger today...

[orcafresh]

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[Matt Doc Martin]

Stalker, can't you read quietly to yourself? :D

Asshole, can't you drop dead?

[orcafresh]

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[TCJohnson]

Open to legal interpretation, I'd say. That's why I keep attorney on retainer.

Really, you need a lawyer to do math?

You know, I was reading through your blog and saw where you were talking about your comic book collection. It occurs to me that if you are having cash flow problems paying the people who you owe money too, you could always sell your collection. A single father who is sick or a single mother going through the divorce could probably use the money more than you can use your comic book collection.

[orcafresh]

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[Matt Algren]

Troll. What's your address, Stalker. I'll send you some old Daffy Duck comics. :rolleyes:I dunno. Let's give it a try at Megacon. :rolleyes: You're the one with no life, lowlife.Really? This is the best you can do?

If all of your writing is like this it's no wonder you can't afford to pay anyone, "orcafresh".

[orcafresh]

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[Sarah Beach]

Originally Posted by orcafresh:
Yes, I forgot -- You're soooooooooo adult.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I'm not the one with the compulsion to have a lawyer run around holding my hand wherever I go. Oh, Puuuullleeeeeeesssssseee!

[Ronée]

That may be, sweety, but before I can release any monies to you in finalising our business relationship -- I'm told that you need to sign and return the NDA and contract, or we can send you a release form that will clearly spell out your period of work-for-hire and we'll need your social for company tax reasons. Once that is gotten back, you'll get your check.first of all. do NOT call me sweety. secondly, i did work for you, you owe me. period. I am not signing your stupid nda. You just dont want me to say all that I know. My column premieres monday jan 1st. Do you really want to mess with me right now?

Oh and before you call the lawyer on me.. the number one defense to libel is TRUTH and all I will say is truth and can be backed up.

And the rest of you? Keep him talking here. He is under orders from his lawyer NOT to respond directly to the "phlebs" like he is now. he is f'ing himself up the more he talks here.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Really? This is the best you can do?

If all of your writing is like this it's no wonder you can't afford to pay anyone, "orcafresh".



I'm sorry. Calling him an asshole was rather pedestrian.

Tell you what, Dick. If you want my address, you have to ask nicely. And don't forget the magic word. And you can kiss my ass twice. Once each cheek.

[TomStillwell]

No, rather the contrary; If my attorney felt that the companies conditions had been met then I'm sure we'd sign and do whatever it takes (within reason) to release Ms. Bourgeois properly. Is that clearer for you?

See Rick, you don't get it. Or rather refuse to.

Stop hiding behind your hack attorney.

Can you answer these questions without using fake legal talk?

Would you pay Ronee in a specified amount of time if she has done all that you asked, all that you've already stated as being required for payment?

Would you put all that in writing and be legally bound by it?

If you were a man of honor and integrity you wouldn't need an attorney to answer those questions.

Let me give you an example of how it works with people of honor.

I personally just hired an artist to work on a project for me. His name is Ryan Cody. Very talented guy. Ryan and I set out the parameters of our agreement...I'd pay him X for Y amount of work. We worked this out via e-mail.

Upfront I sent Ryan a check for half of the agreed upon amount. Along with the check I sent out a legally binding contract restating what we already agreed upon. And some free comics because I'm a nice guy.

Ryan sent me back the signed contract. And free comics because Ryan's a nice guy too.

Signed contract or not, Ryan would be paid everything owed to him when all the work is complete. I wouldn't being paying him because he could possibly file suit over breach of contract. I gave my word to him. That's why he'd be paid.

So what is your word worth Rick? Is it only as good as what your lawyer advises can be legally upheld?

[Ronée]

oh did I tell y'all that me made me drop friends on myspace including dimestore productions and matt doc martin for not being Olney fans?

Don't f*ck with me Rick.

[Matt Algren]

I'm sorry. Calling him an asshole was rather pedestrian.

Tell you what, Dick. If you want my address, you have to ask nicely. And don't forget the magic word. And you can kiss my ass twice. Once each cheek.Nah, I was talking to "orcafresh". It's just...his comebacks are right from the fourth grade. Honestly, I could get better quips at a little league game.

I just expected better from a writer.

[TCJohnson]

The mark of an ignorant person is when they resort to name calling, Mr. MacQuarrie

--Rick Onley

You're the one with no life, lowlife.

--Rick Onley

I'm just sayin'!!

--Gail Simone

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[Gail Simone]

Rick, you're one of the most dishonest and dimmest people I've ever met.

Here you go.

"If "Gail Simone" is your template for judging character, so be it! Far be it of me to try and point out the many lies that she's started and spread here. I will share with you all that she's all wet about the car trip she say's she took. That wasn't my car. It belonged to Dennis Kininger. Dennis drove "Gail" and "Scott" back to the airport/hotel area of Syracuse. I actually rode in another car. But "Gail" is free to remember it as she does. "

Rick, three times recently you've told me you have a memory condition. I think it's the one that allows you to screw close friends. What you don't remember is the ride we DID take in your car from the 'convention,' apparently.

It was yours. And it reeked, as did you.

"Just like she doesn't care about the mythic $100 dollars that was owed her. She was only "owed" for the monies she and her husband spent on food that late evening. We told her to send us the receipts for reimbursement and she had no problem with that then... So she gets home, and emails me that we owe her $100 dollars and then hems and haws about sending the receipts."


Really?

Produce that email, liar. It's a lie. YOU came up with the 100$ figure, you incredible IDIOT. It's not my fault if you can't keep your lies straight.

Jesus, what a loser.

YOU came up with the 100 number, to 'make up for all the inconvenience.'

The dinner thing was because your credit card got turned down when you tried to book us the room you forgot to book.

YOU.

Most liars at least can keep their lies straight, but not our Mr. Olney!





"No receipts, no reimbursement. Again, simple as that. And yet ... she has hated and stalked me since that time, obviously. First its about the money ... then it isn't. Which is it "Gail"?"


It never was, moron. It was the lies. Do you not get it?


It was your lies. I told you dealing with you wasn't worth getting the money YOU said you owed, after two years of your bullshit.

" You have people emailing you climing to be OWED by me? POST their feckin' names. You have emails from back during that time? Post them! Put up or shut up. Frankly, it isn't that you're tired of this matter -- I think you finally got your legal counseling and KNOW that you might've let your mouth write a check your arse can't cover. But we'll see..."


Nope. Sorry, liar.

I'll post what I want, when I want. You will, of course, continue to be a lying deadbeat.

And I've got TONS, Rick. Including worse accusations that owing money, but I'll leave that to the accuser.


You're a liar, a deadbeat, a cheat, and a bizarre paranoid. You are your own punishment.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:08:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: "Rick Olney" <cynergy54@earthlink.net> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: "Gail Simone" <gail@gailsimone.com>
Subject: Re: Mighty Mini-Con 2004


Hey Gail,
I almost forgot ... your $100 dollars should mail right after I get
back from MegaCon. Didn't want you thinking I had forgotten.

Best Regards,
--Rick

[Cam63]

Your credibility is woeful at best, Olney.

...and stop insulting my friends.

[Gail Simone]

If anyone wants to have that message forwarded, to prove when it came to my yahoo account, they have but to ask.

Note the liar says he owes the money and is planning to send it.

He's confused about the reciepts. The 100 was a number HE HIMSELF came up with after stiffing me on the reimbursements for my out of pocket expenses for months.

He wouldn't know the truth if it fell on his head. The worst liar I've met in this industry, period.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

From: "Rick Olney" <cynergy54@earthlink.net> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: "Gail Simone" <gail@gailsimone.com>
Subject: Re: Mighty Mini-Con 2004
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:47:22 -0500


Hi Gail,
Okay, I'll get that $100 dollars to you within the next couple of
weeks.
<sigh> You'll need to email me your mailing address again. Sorry. I
don't
normally keep that stuff. In fact, I still have those Gus Beezer books
I
was going to send to you ... hoping for autographs ... but I forgot
about
it until just now. Yeah, my memory is for crap.

[DocAbsurd]

Say's everybody's lil buddy! :rolleyes:

What was the point in that?

Feel better, slamming someone who actually works hard to see the best in everyone he encounters? Lance stood up for you many many times. He's given you the benefit of the doubt even when you threw that benefit straight in the dumpster. He knew you were involved with the ICC formation and kept it a secret when other creators swore they'd never work in any project you were involved in.

You constantly claim how you hate slander and libel, how you despise name-calling; just a few post earlier you jump on your soapbox and complain about how 'Obviously all this thread is has to do with bullying, pissin' and moaning'. Yet you've called Lance 'mealy-mouthed' on your blog, 'lil buddy' here, and taken potshots at almost everyone else. How much lower can you possibly sink? When do your own rules begin to apply to you?

You've also said my Daphne was 'out of her league' when dealing with you. Well, I'll give you that one. She's got integrity, honesty, intelligence, compassion. Yeah, she's way out of her league when dealing with you.

I've talked to you a lot over the past couple years, Rick, but I never realized just how petty you are. I never once realized the lateness of Tales of the Spooky was because of more payment woes. But here you are, still proudly announcing its impending publication as if it were something to be heralded. You hide behind nonsense legalities and pompous righteousness so that you always come out the injured party when the slightest shred of obligation should point the proper path of action clearer than the Lighthouse of Alexandria.

You can't avoid paying what you offered payment for. That's the bottom line, Rick. You've admitted you owe people money for services rendered. All you're doing now is delaying the inevitable, as if you're hoping we'll get so sick of asking we'll eventually give up.

I'm officially sick.

I ain't giving up.




Doc 'That-a-Way' Absurd

[Gail Simone]

I have tons of this stuff and I can easily prove every bit of it.

You're a liar, Rick. Your own words prove it.

Oh, and in case I haven't said, you're also a deadbeat.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

"Rick Olney" <cynergy54@earthlink.net> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: "Gail Simone" <gail@gailsimone.com>
Subject: Re: Didcha get it?


Glad you got it, Gail.

I'm not done repaying you. In fact, I need the remaining balance on
your monies owed and I'm planning on reimbursing you for Scott's plane
fare too.

I DID enjoy having you both here, and if you'll consider it and allow
me... I'd like to bring you back next May to the bigger MMC being held
in Syracuse, New York. We'll have 12 times the comic book retail support
in the greater Syracuse area, and airfare and accomodations will be
provided up front. Additionally, guests on the upper echelon are getting
one hundred dollars upon check-in to cover their meal expenses. No
reimbursing this coming year. :)

[Momma Absurd]

It seems as though I should start out by apologizing to everyone for getting involved in this. If I have offended any one of you with the exception of Rick (onery) Olney, I am very sorry. But I know what Tim has been going through with this and I was furious at the time; and I just had to make a post here after I saw that he replied that I was out of my league, HAHA...how 4th grade of him to say it like that!! I was born quite out of your league Mr. Onery...

I know that with the exception of Tim that none of you know me, but I am a very fair person, who does not deal well with liars or users, especially when they are hurting someone I love and care about. Tim is a very good man, and I am extremely proud of his cartooning/writing and I encourage it with everything I am, and it really ticks me off that he works so hard on his work then gets treated like this.

I have read quite a few of your posts and (I don't want to start trying to name all of you because I would be afraid I would leave someone out), but I want to thank you all so much for wishing Doc the best and all the get well wishes you have sent him. It makes me very happy to see that he has such a great group of people as friends. I also enjoy the humor you all have. I sincerely hope we all can get past this problem although it looks as if it may take some time. I mean fighting off imaginary lawyers and idle threats and signing contracts out of thin air, what an imagination for a cartoonist to have!!

Makes me think that Mr.Onery ought to apply for a by-line in the Weekly World News paper, perhaps Batboy needs a new playmate or they can send him off to find Bigfoot, can't you just imagine the headlines? I for one will start the collection fund rolling with my check......(and ummm it's in the mail)

Momma "Nuffin says lovin like" Absurd

[Gail Simone]

Of course, he never reimbursed my husband's airfare, more Olney bullshit.

But I didn't ask him to. What it shows is his desperate need to be liked, even if he has to lie to do it.

As I say, I have two years of this stuff. Maybe you can understand why I got sick of him and told him to keep the remainder.

Any creator who wants to deal with this for two years and still not be fully paid?

Be my guest.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

It seems as though I should start out by apologizing to everyone for getting involved in this. If I have offended any one of you with the exception of Rick (onery) Olney, I am very sorry. But I know what Tim has been going through with this and I was furious at the time; and I just had to make a post here after I saw that he replied that I was out of my league, HAHA...how 4th grade of him to say it like that!! I was born quite out of your league Mr. Onery...

I know that with the exception of Tim that none of you know me, but I am a very fair person, who does not deal well with liars or users, especially when they are hurting someone I love and care about. Tim is a very good man, and I am extremely proud of his cartooning/writing and I encourage it with everything I am, and it really ticks me off that he works so hard on his work then gets treated like this.

I have read quite a few of your posts and (I don't want to start trying to name all of you because I would be afraid I would leave someone out), but I want to thank you all so much for wishing Doc the best and all the get well wishes you have sent him. It makes me very happy to see that he has such a great group of people as friends. I also enjoy the humor you all have. I sincerely hope we all can get past this problem although it looks as if it may take some time. I mean fighting off imaginary lawyers and idle threats and signing contracts out of thin air, what an imagination for a cartoonist to have!!

Makes me think that Mr.Onery ought to apply for a by-line in the Weekly World News paper, perhaps Batboy needs a new playmate or they can send him off to find Bigfoot, can't you just imagine the headlines? I for one will start the collection fund rolling with my check......(and ummm it's in the mail)

Momma "Nuffin says lovin like" Absurd

Don't worry, we love ya for sticking up for Doc.

That's STAND-UP behavior and we're always happy to see it.

WELCOME!

Gail

[TCJohnson]

In fact, I still have those Gus Beezer books
I
was going to send to you ... hoping for autographs ... but I forgot
about
it until just now. Yeah, my memory is for crap.


But...but...but....according to him you are a hack writer. Yet he wants your autograph.

I'M CONFUSED!

[Cam63]

Welcome, Mum. :)

[Gail Simone]

"Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:19:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Send an Instant Message "Rick Olney" <the_spooky2005@yahoo.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Re:
To: "Gail Simone" <gail@gailsimone.com>
Hi Gail,
Yes, I do plan on clearing the matter shortly with you. It was for $100 dollars and as you can imagine I'm waist deep in trying to cover the various areas of this years MMC/Spooky ... It would be great if you could allow me to get that out of the way, but I'll understand (obviously) if you've lost your patience.

Gail Simone <gail@gailsimone.com> wrote:

Rick,

Do you ever, EVER plan on paying the remaining amount
owed on my travel expenses?

I've avoided this because dealing with it simply
wasn't worth it, but I've waited for you to take care
of this, and you haven't.

So, simple answer, please. Do you plan to take care of
this, or not?

Best,

Gail

[Cam63]

Of course, he never reimbursed my husband's airfare, more Olney bullshit.

It's just as well Scott found an air hostess' uniform that fitted and got the flight for free, huh ?

[Gail Simone]

Lots lots more, Rick.

You sure you want to keep your bullshit going? I've got some that you will find personally VERY HUMILIATING.


As I say again, Rick is the only liar/deadbeat I've come across in all the companies I've worked with and conventions I've dealt with.

He is the exception.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

But...but...but....according to him you are a hack writer. Yet he wants your autograph.

I'M CONFUSED!

Oh, sheesh, yeah, I'm such a hack he BEGGED me to come to his next convention and personally begged me to come to his ridiculous vanity message boards.

Whatever. What a talentless weirdo deadbeat has to say about my writing, I have no care.

But he should quit lying and pay the people he owes.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:03:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Send an Instant Message "Rick Olney" <the_spooky2005@yahoo.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Re:
To: "Gail Simone" <gail@gailsimone.com>
Gail,
Understood. I'd like to blame my difficulties regarding my communication at times on somebody else ... but I'm smarter than that. I've tried at times being friendly and open on your CBR boards forum, but get the feeling like I'm intruding so I don't bother any longer. I saw that you joined the MMC forums, but you have not exactly had a spare minute yourself lately ... so anyway, I'll complete (finally!) our matter between us and hopefully you'll think nicer of me.

Did you ever get in touch with Mike?

Gail Simone <gail@gailsimone.com> wrote:

My problem has always been communication, Rick. I'm
perfectly willing to work with you in this regard. If
you can get the thing in my hands by the end of
November (that should give you plent of time to pay
for your October con expenses, right?), then that is
acceptable to me.

Thank you for your attention on this matter.

Gail

[DocAbsurd]

Look who's here!

Everyone, Daphne; Daphne, everyone.

Her first post, and she's embarrassing the feck outta me. Any wonder why I love her?

OMG, Ronee! That's insane! How the hell can he dictate who you have on your friends lists? That's not an employer, that's a dictator. (Can we call him 'Mr Tator'?)

And Gail, I rode with Dennis. I can attest his car did not smell in any fashion. I've also been told about Rick's faulty memory more than once.

This is like watching the Pepsi spill on the console at Chernobyl.




Doc 'Hello, My Baby! Hello, My Darling!' Absurd

[Cam63]

That's a lotta shit there, Mr. Olney.

I can't wait for your response.

[Sarah Beach]

Rock on, Momma Absurd! You and Tim sound like you're a cool, solid couple!

[Momma Absurd]

Thank you Gail and Cam!!! I look forward to many convo's here with you all...Momma

[Cam63]

You're welcome, Mudda. :)

[TCJohnson]

It seems as though I should start out by apologizing to everyone for getting involved in this. If I have offended any one of you with the exception of Rick (onery) Olney, I am very sorry.


I hate to speak for anybody besides myself, but I don't think anybody would disagree with me when I say you have nothing to apologize for and are encouraged to post here moe.

[Gail Simone]

Suffice it to say, he never paid the 100 (I finally told him to keep it and go jump off a cliff), never paid the balance of my expenses, never paid my husband's airfare.

Honestly? I'd trust a serial killer before I'd trust Rick Olney with two dollars of my money again.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

I'd like to be done with this thread...I think I've said all there is to say for now.

But if Rick really wants to sue, he's going to be bringing up his lies and poor business practices (and paranoia...he sent a couple real whoppers early on) in great detail.

Hilarious.

Gail

[Cam63]

We'll see what nonsense he posts tomorrow.

[Gail Simone]

It seems as though I should start out by apologizing to everyone for getting involved in this. If I have offended any one of you with the exception of Rick (onery) Olney, I am very sorry. But I know what Tim has been going through with this and I was furious at the time; and I just had to make a post here after I saw that he replied that I was out of my league, HAHA...how 4th grade of him to say it like that!! I was born quite out of your league Mr. Onery...

I know that with the exception of Tim that none of you know me, but I am a very fair person, who does not deal well with liars or users, especially when they are hurting someone I love and care about. Tim is a very good man, and I am extremely proud of his cartooning/writing and I encourage it with everything I am, and it really ticks me off that he works so hard on his work then gets treated like this.

I have read quite a few of your posts and (I don't want to start trying to name all of you because I would be afraid I would leave someone out), but I want to thank you all so much for wishing Doc the best and all the get well wishes you have sent him. It makes me very happy to see that he has such a great group of people as friends. I also enjoy the humor you all have. I sincerely hope we all can get past this problem although it looks as if it may take some time. I mean fighting off imaginary lawyers and idle threats and signing contracts out of thin air, what an imagination for a cartoonist to have!!

Makes me think that Mr.Onery ought to apply for a by-line in the Weekly World News paper, perhaps Batboy needs a new playmate or they can send him off to find Bigfoot, can't you just imagine the headlines? I for one will start the collection fund rolling with my check......(and ummm it's in the mail)

Momma "Nuffin says lovin like" Absurd



Anyone else here want to nominate Daphne for Queen of Awesomeness?

Gail

[Cam63]

Hmm... I gunna vote for Lester, actually.

She'll be my second choice. :)

[Sarah Beach]

Gail, I for one think you've posted enough to serve as evidence for us (if not for Himself).

There are so many things he just doesn't seem to get. Like calling the posters here "trolls". He doesn't seem to get that "to troll", one has to be an outsider coming in, in order to bait the regulars into flame wars. It was just the delightfully appropriate co-incidence of the meaning of the verb and the meaning of the noun that led to the conflation. (Pardon my trivia-babbling here. It's a consequence of my day-job. But also, since no-one seems to have educated Himself on the distinctions, I thought I'd put it where he might read it.)

In any case.... I don't think it's the regulars here (even though I'm a newbie here) that are the "trolls". Just sayin'.

[Gail Simone]

I've said enough for now.

But I've seen how Rick operates...every time he's proven to be a liar, he changes his story slightly and deletes all his previous posts.

Anyone know how to save whole CBR threads? We have a ton of the stuff he deleted elsewhere where he acted like a complete jackass.

Gail

[Cam63]

Sure, Beach Troll.





;)

[Cam63]

Umm... The above post was for Sarah, btw !

[Gail Simone]

Gail, I for one think you've posted enough to serve as evidence for us (if not for Himself).

There are so many things he just doesn't seem to get. Like calling the posters here "trolls". He doesn't seem to get that "to troll", one has to be an outsider coming in, in order to bait the regulars into flame wars. It was just the delightfully appropriate co-incidence of the meaning of the verb and the meaning of the noun that led to the conflation. (Pardon my trivia-babbling here. It's a consequence of my day-job. But also, since no-one seems to have educated Himself on the distinctions, I thought I'd put it where he might read it.)

In any case.... I don't think it's the regulars here (even though I'm a newbie here) that are the "trolls". Just sayin'.

Well, yeah, listen, he desperately needs to feel important. To a guy like him, even being talked about as a cheat and a liar is better than being ignored.
But as long as he's still got honest creators that he refuses to pay, then this is going to haunt him, no matter what we say.

And hey, Sarah! Insert inane 'beach' joke here! ;)


Gail

[Sarah Beach]

Oh, Cam! I feel so at home now! I've been called a name by a regular! Thank you!

:)

[TCJohnson]

Sure, Beach Troll.

http://www.spiralvisions.com/cuthbert/swimsuit.jpg

So that is what Sarah looks like. I should be surprised but after going to sci-fi conventions, I'm just not.

[DocAbsurd]

I know I've professed my love for my craft, to the point of working for free if asked politely.

But how the feck could I have been so blind? How could I possibly miss what was going on behind the scenes? How many excuses could I possibly swallow?

I'm honestly ashamed my drive and desire brought me to such an association. Do you know, Gail, he regularly pegged you as a liar, a manipulator, that you were heading some horde to drive him and his 'businesses' to ruin?

I shoulda spoke up ages ago.

Thank God I didn't sign anything to get my comic published thru him; yeah, he offered that, too.



Doc 'Guilt from Association' Absurd

[TCJohnson]

I've said enough for now.

But I've seen how Rick operates...every time he's proven to be a liar, he changes his story slightly and deletes all his previous posts.

Anyone know how to save whole CBR threads? We have a ton of the stuff he deleted elsewhere where he acted like a complete jackass.

Gail

You know, even though you are loathe to do it, you can lock this thread and then start another one. He wouldn't be able to change anything after it was locked I believe.

[Gail Simone]

I know I've professed my love for my craft, to the point of working for free if asked politely.

But how the feck could I have been so blind? How could I possibly miss what was going on behind the scenes? How many excuses could I possibly swallow?

I'm honestly ashamed my drive and desire brought me to such an association. Do you know, Gail, he regularly pegged you as a liar, a manipulator, that you were heading some horde to drive him and his 'businesses' to ruin?

I shoulda spoke up ages ago.

Thank God I didn't sign anything to get my comic published thru him; yeah, he offered that, too.



Doc 'Guilt from Association' Absurd


Oh, sure, I figured.

Listen, I knew he was one bottle short of a six-pack when I first mentioned that some other pros had had complaints at his fake con. He immediately went into this weird "oh, so they're against me TOO" rant that was downright scary and pathetic.

Gail

[Sarah Beach]

To beat everyone to the draw, here are my two standard (personal) inane "beach" jokes:

"I'm always thankful that my parents did not name me 'Sandra'". (Two beat pause) "Can you imagine going through life as 'Sandy Beach'?"

Heh.

The other is my usual response to phone and counter questions on the spelling of my surname: "Sand, not trees." (You'd be surprised at the number of people who go first to "Beech" as the surname.)

Then, of course, there was my elementary school pal and math-rival, Phil, who for some reason bestowed on me the nickname of "Beach-fuzz". I never could figure out why he didn't dub me "Beach Ball" - but I was thankful that he didn't.

[TCJohnson]

But how the feck could I have been so blind? How could I possibly miss what was going on behind the scenes? How many excuses could I possibly swallow?



Because you are fundemtnally good person and that makes you see the good in people and take things at face value?

Just sayin'

[DocAbsurd]

Am I allowed to vote for my Daphne? I've always called her my 'Wonder Woman' from the day I met her.

Gail, check with Jonah about archives.



Doc 'Historic Histrionics' Absurd

[Momma Absurd]

Your description of my Tim is deadly accurate, he always give others the benefit of the doubt because he is so good hearted and trusting....believe me I will fix that, LMAO!! Joking, I wouldn't change him for nuffin.......

[Cam63]

"I'm always thankful that my parents did not name me 'Sandra'". (Two beat pause) "Can you imagine going through life as 'Sandy Beach'?"

How about " Sonnuva Beach " ?

[Gail Simone]

From: "Rick Olney" <cynergy54@earthlink.net> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: "Gail Simone" <gail@gailsimone.com>
Subject: Gail?
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:22:41 -0400

Hi,
Just thought you'd appreciate an email letting you know that everything is on track. I'll be mailing out a reimbursement of $400 dollars week ending. Now, I realize that your costs alone were a tad more, so I'll be forwarding you the balance in two weeks approx.

I hope that is okay? Sorry for all the hoopla and hold up. I'll launch you another email when it is in the mailbox headed your way.

Regards,
--Rick
Rick Olney
cynergy54@earthlink.net
www.mightyminicon.com
Watch for our upcoming 2003 fall upgrade

[Cam63]

Your description of my Tim is deadly accurate, he always give others the benefit of the doubt because he is so good hearted and trusting....believe me I will fix that, LMAO!! Joking, I wouldn't change him for nuffin.......

Would you change him for a muffin ?

Respectfully, Cam Seuss.

[Momma Absurd]

OMG!!!!! Laffin myself sick over here, you do know they could have called you Sahara Beach.........I think Sarah is a pretty name though.......but the name thing is funny.......

[Cam63]

http://www.spiralvisions.com/cuthbert/swimsuit.jpg

So that is what Sarah looks like. I should be surprised but after going to sci-fi conventions, I'm just not.

She's related to the Olson sisters !?

[Gail Simone]

This is him saying he'll pay partial payment months after he promised.

Note the "I don't think that's asking too much, is it? My convention bombed so why should i have to pay you back the money you spent on time?" tone.

Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:07:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Rick Olney" <cynergy54@earthlink.net> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: "Gail Simone" <gail@gailsimone.com>
Subject: Re: Something else..



Original message attached.

Hi Gail,
Yes, I got your email, and I have Mike's email too. I'm aware of who
and what needs attending yet. I don't think it is too much to ask that
you allow me the time I need. Is it? The convention was a big
undertaking, and the turn out wasn't as strong as any of us would've liked. Don't
get me wrong, I'm not crying in my beer, just working on alot of things
at once and that is what has slowed me down. It shouldn't be very much
longer. I do appreciate your patience and understanding. Hope all is
well with your Mom and family.

Also, if you could pass along words of "not to worry" to Mike Kaluta,
I'd appreciate it. All comp payments will be mailed out NO LATER than
end of July. Transportation reimbursements will be included.


Sincerely,
-- Rick

Rick Olney
www.mightyminicon.com
www.orcafresh.net

[Momma Absurd]

nope! Not for a muffin or some stuffin or lox in a box, or a bagel in my navel, or a brownie with a townie, or a strudel with a poodle!!! LMAO!!

[Gail Simone]

And finally (for now, depending on how much he wants to press this) here is the email where HE came up with the 100 dollar amount. He makes it sound like it's from the generosity of his heart, but the truth is, his check to me didn't even cover my airfare AND his credit card got turned down so we paid for two meals they had promised so it would have been just about right. Two years later, I told him to stuff it.

But when he says all that about receipts, he is a flat out liar.

Here ya go, Rick. You're a liar.


From: "Rick Olney" <cynergy54@earthlink.net> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: "Gail Simone" <gail@gailsimone.com>
Subject: Re: Reimbursement
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:40:07 -0400
Hi Gail,
Yes, I'm sorry for the hold up on my end. I had to place a withdrawal from a savings investment account I maintain. I'm awaiting the check and expect to be sending you the reimbursement within the next week. Again, I'm sorry for the hold up. I had initially thought that it would be as quick as 7-10 days, but ended up needing to be a few more weeks. The release checks are generated and released in the mail on a cycle. But without forcing a smile from you, I'll have it in the mail to you shortly. Promise. I sure hope my needing the extra time hasn't soured you both to coming back next year. The Syracuse upgrade is going to complete the template for our convention success next year. We'll be advertising more, like in Wizard, and accommodations will be paid up front so as not to leave anyone like yourself waiting for reimbursement. Additionally, we'll be giving each upper echelon guest a $100 dollar bill to cover meals not covered by the convention during the weekend. Gail, I'll email you the moment after the check goes in the mail.

Sorry to hear about your Mom being in the hospital. I hope it is nothing too serious. My thoughts of her feeling better soon are with you and Scott.

Regards,
Rick
www.orcafresh.net
www.mightyminicon.com

[DocAbsurd]

Can I be officially embarrassed now?

All I wanna do is write. And cartoon. And have my toys. I wanna show my Things that they can do anything they want if they believe in themselves strong enough.

I've been through a lotta hell during my divorce, and even more following it. I got tons of support from family and friends; it's only right I should show the same back when at all possible.

Someday when I grow up, I wanna be a cartoonist. And I'd rather do it by helping others, rather than stepping on their toes.




Doc 'Treading Carefully' Absurd

[Gail Simone]

"Rick Olney" <cynergy54@earthlink.net> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: "Gail Simone" <gail@gailsimone.com>
Subject: Re: Wuzsup! I Loved Gus Beezer!!
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 14:26:46 -0400
Hi again, Gail!

Yeah, as men get older they develop nervous ticks... I must be something from 4 years back on Comicon that he can't shake. Clashing personalities... anyway...

I'm happy to cover your dinner and breakfast so I'll send you a check for $500 dollars in the coming week -ten days. I just need time to pull some money out of my investments portfolio with Met. That takes 7-10 normally. Okay? Next year, Scott's airfare is on me if you both want to give upstate/central New York another chance at turning our in mass to honor "Gail Simone"... Syracuse is three times the size of Utica's population, has 12-14 comic book stores and I'll be networking with them and Charity officials to get Mighty Mini-Con more mention and notice. I realized going into this last fall that launching and building a comic book convention wasn't going to be a cakewalk. Thank you for your support, friendship, and expect those Beezers with the check. Can I send your son any funny books? I recall you mentioning that you had addressed his class about the hobby and industry. Just let me know.

Regards,
- - Rick

[AaronJ]

Oh, Cam! I feel so at home now! I've been called a name by a regular! Thank you!

:)

Oh, there's nothing "regular" about Cam. :)

[Gail Simone]

Little lesson, Rick?

Don't challenge someone to prove something you'd rather keep hidden, when you know full well they can.

Gail

[Momma Absurd]

WOW Gail!!! Your lucky he didn't hack you in pieces and hide you in his glove box, what an oxy-moron.....yes, I admit I resort to name calling, its part of my appeal ......*big cheeky smirk*

[Crowley]

Here's the bit that baffles me...

Gail Simone
Chuck Dixon
Michael Netzer
Val Staples

Four pros all saying the same thing.
Plus several other people within this thread.

PLUS and Rick should really listen here:

OTHER PEOPLE FROM THE
COMIC BOOK INDUSTRY
HAVE READ AND DO READ
THIS FORUM.

Martin Pasko,
Ian Boothby,
Kurt Busiek,
Mark Waid,
Brian Michael Bendis,
Warren Ellis

and several others are bound to read this
thread when Rich inevitably posts it on LITG.

I mean christ almighty... they have reputations... they have years of work behind them and you REALLY think you can simly slag them off here and not pay people and do you honestly think ANYONE will EVER work for you again?
or do ANYTHING with your name attached to it EVER again?

You could win the lotto tommorow and you'd be lucky if anyone ever did a lick of work for you again... your reputation is garbage and you'll never be able to come out of it unless you drop your fascade and really start apologizing now!

It's really time to stop fucking around... you can imagine that you're in the right... but you realize that the evidence is against you here?
I'm no judge or lawyer... but when the number of witnesses, lawsuits and clients for the prosecution outnumbers those for the defense... it's not looking pretty...

or in terms you might get...

you're outgunned...

[Gail Simone]

Can I be officially embarrassed now?

All I wanna do is write. And cartoon. And have my toys. I wanna show my Things that they can do anything they want if they believe in themselves strong enough.

I've been through a lotta hell during my divorce, and even more following it. I got tons of support from family and friends; it's only right I should show the same back when at all possible.

Someday when I grow up, I wanna be a cartoonist. And I'd rather do it by helping others, rather than stepping on their toes.




Doc 'Treading Carefully' Absurd

Do you have your work online, Doc?


And for now, I haveta leave for real for a bit...got work to finish to make up for the time when the tornado kept the net from workin'!


Gail

[Gail Simone]

WOW Gail!!! Your lucky he didn't hack you in pieces and hide you in his glove box, what an oxy-moron.....yes, I admit I resort to name calling, its part of my appeal ......*big cheeky smirk*

I have LOTS more, and that's just direct. I have much more from other creators and former friends. It's ugly.

Anyone want to take bets he won't be man enough to admit he was wrong about all this stuff?

Gail

[Momma Absurd]

KUDOS GO TO YOU!! Well said!!!

[AaronJ]

nope! Not for a muffin or some stuffin or lox in a box, or a bagel in my navel, or a brownie with a townie, or a strudel with a poodle!!! LMAO!!

That is one lucky guy.

Seriously.

[Cam63]

nope! Not for a muffin or some stuffin or lox in a box, or a bagel in my navel, or a brownie with a townie, or a strudel with a poodle!!! LMAO!!

I'm feeling hungry for some reason.

Hmm... Hey, a beer !

[Momma Absurd]

I would bet with you Gail, but I do believe your correct in your wager....people like him never admit their faults or their lies, I just wonder how come he thought he could get away with all this and for so long a time?

[Cam63]

I have LOTS more, and that's just direct. I have much more from other creators and former friends. It's ugly.

Anyone want to take bets he won't be man enough to admit he was wrong about all this stuff?

Gail

Nope.
------

[Cam63]

Oh, there's nothing "regular" about Cam. :)

I'm regularly nice.

[DocAbsurd]

He'll never admit anything, Gail, not if it means he's in the wrong. Especially if he can't check with his vulture first.

DOC likes to say, 'In my universe, everyone wins'. In Rick's little world, only he does.

And check my pics on my 360 and MySpace, Gail. I've got some cartoons there.




Doc 'the Truth Shall Set You Free' Absurd

[TCJohnson]

I think it is interesting but you can really tell a person by the way they treat others.

You can tell that DocAbsurd is a basically honest person because he naturally expects honesty from other people and is surprised when he finds he is being lied to. (At least that is my initial impression of him.)

Gail is honest about everything that is important but is capable of bullshit (and by that I mean playful bullshit. A good example is when she talks about Bendis. Some of the things she says can be taken as being mean by outsiders but deffinitely not meant to be taken seriously.) Despite what she heard, she believed things Olney told her because she deals with others honestly, but detected his bullshit pretty early.

You can tell MamaAbsurd is loyal to those close to her because she reacts very strongly to Olney's betrayal.

Rick Olney, on the other hand, seems to lie and conspire against everybody, and then he is the first to expect others to lie and conspire against him. He expects people to treat him the same way he treats others.


Hope I haven't offended anybody, just thought it was interesting.

[Crowley]

if this was Edo period Japan... Rick would be trying to explain his way out of Seppuku to warlords.

[AaronJ]

I'm regularly nice.

Ok, fair enough. :)

[Gail Simone]

I think it is interesting but you can really tell a person by the way they treat others.

You can tell that DocAbsurd is a basically honest person because he naturally expects honesty from other people and is surprised when he finds he is being lied to. (At least that is my initial impression of him.)

Gail is honest about everything that is important but is capable of bullshit (and by that I mean playful bullshit. A good example is when she talks about Bendis. Some of the things she says can be taken as being mean by outsiders but deffinitely not meant to be taken seriously.) Despite what she heard, she believed things Olney told her because she deals with others honestly, but detected his bullshit pretty early.

You can tell MamaAbsurd is loyal to those close to her because she reacts very strongly to Olney's betrayal.

Rick Olney, on the other hand, seems to lie and conspire against everybody, and then he is the first to expect others to lie and conspire against him. He expects people to treat him the same way he treats others.


Hope I haven't offended anybody, just thought it was interesting.



Just so it's clear for the terminally goofy out there...;)

Bendis and I are pals, he teases me and I tease him back.

Gail

[Hybrid2]

See? No comments necessary.

And she's allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll mine.



Awwww.

She got a twin sister?

[kingdom2000]

The TightLip Entertainment NDA is written in plain English and spells out the responsibilities and time frame, as well as being a precursor to entering into talk regarding pay rates and such. No contracts are legally engaged WITHOUT a NDA in place. And, yes, anyone facing a contractual situation should have a lawyer go over their contract before signing it. Obviously.

Not big on the reading comphrension skills I see. To quote myself "They are not retroactive unless the legalese to do so is added." Which is my one sentence way of saying the same thing you said above in several sentences. Reading without understanding is pointless. This might explain many of your recent business and communication decisions.

By the way, there is one may reason why I don't think you have any communication with lawyers besides not having the money. The number one advice a lawyer gives his client is real simple: Shut the fuck up about the case. Have you ever noticed when a corruption gets sued, other then releasing a non-information PR statement of no value, the next sentence is "The company does not discuss the specifics of an ongoing case."

The reason why is simple: All these discussions online, on myspace, in emails and in private IMs, and so forth are allowed by law to be used against you in court. Yes my moronic friend, everything you have been typing up can be thrown right back at you in court in various ways depending on need. If you had a lawyer and you discussed these little missives with him, after being more then a little appalled, he would repeat for you to shut up.

Thankfully your gigantic and misplaced ego prevents you from doing so. So please, keep digging. Your definitly not helping yourself and your amusing the rest of us with your continued ignorance.

[kingdom2000]

There actually are legal guidelines to sitruations where people say things against other real people and try to hide behind the, "Well, I have a right to my opinion." Dig away at your own little fox hole, Mr. MacQ. :rolleyes:

Once again...talk to a real lawyer. You clearly don't understand what libel means. You are attempting to "prove" that you have been defamed via slander and libel.

The definition: Libel' is the common term for 'defamation'. Defamation is the deliberate writing (libel) or speaking (slander) of untrue information about a person or corporation. Where the spreading of defamatory speech or material causes material damage to those it relates to they may seek legal redress for the damage caused. Libel, and how it is created and prosecuted, is a complex area of law. For the average person it is very difficult to prosecute.

It is one of the most difficult areas of law to win in. Its very expensive, often fails and the onus of proof is on you Rick. You have to prove that lies where said about you and that those lies harmed you in a real world way. Not just a "my feelings where hurt." You already have admitted multiple times your actions of non-payment in many different places on the web. All of which are admissible in a court of law. All of which would eliminate the whole "deliberate writing or speaking of untrue information about a person or corporation" aspect of your case. Key words there is "deliberate" and "untrue information" by the way since your reading comprehensive skills are a bit under-developed.

You also failed to get an NDR. You have to be able to produce signed NDRs and then prove that actual corporate information that harms the corporation and how it harms the corporation. You can't do that. They where not signed, so the documents don't exist. Ergo, no proof. Also, non payment of services wouldn't not be covered under an NDR as its not really corporate secrets and you have committed a harm, in effect broke the contract yourself by non-payment. All this your lawyer, if you had one and I don't think you do, would have told you. Lawyers cost money, you have none, so no lawyer knowing they will probably not get paid, would defend you. That is why in all your discussions no lawyer name or office has been presented to verify your representation.

[the4thpip]

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[orcafresh]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/orcafresh/TLE/RickOlneyMHMiC.jpg

[orcafresh]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/orcafresh/TLE/RickOlneyMHMiC.jpg

[orcafresh]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/orcafresh/TLE/RickOlneyMHMiC.jpg

[orcafresh]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/orcafresh/TLE/RickOlneyMHMiC.jpg

[the4thpip]

Guess a guilty conscience is keeping somebody up.

Pay those people what you owe them, Dick.

[OzBat!]

Anyone know how to save whole CBR threads? We have a ton of the stuff he deleted elsewhere where he acted like a complete jackass.

GailIf you have the full version of Adobe Acrobat set up, you can print the page to Adobe Acrobat and save it as a pdf file. The end results are non-editable, so the text can't be changed.

The other option is, we've quoted all his posts in our own posts, so even if he deleted all of his own, there's enough of it left to effectively display 99.999995% of it fully intact.

EDIT: Or I'll go and pdf 'em up for you. If he messes with any of his posts, drop me a line and I'll send these to ya, gail.

[Cam63]

Just so it's clear for the terminally goofy out there...;)

Bendis and I are pals, he teases me and I tease him back.

Gail

That'd be a hairdresser thing.

[Typo Lad]

This song came on my iPod today and made me think of this thread, for some silly reason:

Wiped out down the stairs
I'll bet you there's a song in there
I'm not sure I'm prepared to write it down
That guy should be me
I'd look much better on t.v.
Then the world would see
That I can do anything

I can be that
But soon you'll see that
I will never do anything

Let's play tic tac toe
I'll play X, you can be the O.
Thoughts of turning pro
Have crossed my mind
I could make a mint
Fill my pockets with more than lint
I'll give you a hint
It involves the "internet"

I can be that
But soon you'll see that
I will never do anything
I can be that
But soon you'll see that
I will never do anything

Don't write me off as an also ran
Just mark me down as an angry man
Got a big chip, you want a fat lip?
How 'bout a mouthful of Chiclets?
Life passed me by, but it's not my fault
I'll lick my wounds, could you pass the salt?
I can be that, but soon you'll see that
I will never do anything

If I were the king
All my subjects they would dance and sing
They could kiss my ring
And kiss my ass
When I'm old and grey
I'll look back on my life and say
"Give me one more day,
And I'll still never do anything."

I can be that
but soon you'll see that
I will never do anything
I can be that
But soon you'll see that
I will never do anything
I can be that
But soon you'll see that
I will never do anything
I can be that
But soon you'll see that
I will never do anything


I wonder why...

[OzBat!]

So, Richard... why DID you remove Doc's Columns (http://web.archive.org/web/20060117025343/www.mightyminicon.com/columns.asp?arcnum=24&archive='true'&ID=6) from the MMC website? It certaintly can't be because you were desperate for the space for new content...

[AIPman1]

oh did I tell y'all that me made me drop friends on myspace including dimestore productions and matt doc martin for not being Olney fans?

Don't f*ck with me Rick.
so we can be friends now?

[Ronée]

lol yea I added ya last night.

[EdContradictory]

Really? This is the best you can do?
It is. He's not very bright.
If all of your writing is like this it's no wonder you can't afford to pay anyone, "orcafresh".
Didn't Rick once take credit for the 90s boom, claiming that ORCA giving away a few comics helped fuel it?

[Pia Guerra]

As a creator I'm often asked to critique the portfilios of young creators and offer any advice I can. I'm thinking "Steer clear of Olney" should be at the top of my list of warnings, caveats and tips.

I have just read through the last 25 pages of this thread (Jeezus!) and Rick, though given every opportunity to make his case has come out looking like an absolute prick.

I have put up with some slime in the 15 plus years I've worked in this biz but he really takes the cake and I'll be sure to bookmark this thread to send to any starry-eyed newbies I run across who can't believe such ugliness exists in this industry.

I only hope that comic shop owners getting their orders ready to send out will read this thread as well.

Shame on you, Rick.

[AIPman1]

But how the feck could I have been so blind? How could I possibly miss what was going on behind the scenes? How many excuses could I possibly swallow?

I'm honestly ashamed my drive and desire brought me to such an association.

Doc 'Guilt from Association' Absurd
Tim, back when things went bad with Rick in the SPA, and he was doing everything he could to divide and steal the membership of the SPA over to the MMC site, I basically begged you to listen to me.

Can you PLEASE forgive me for kicking you out for siding with him? I GOTTA beleive you see what I was up against back then. Difference being, he had people like you on his side back then.

It's time to mend fences. And make sure one and only one person is on the outside of it.

[Hybrid2]

nope! Not for a muffin or some stuffin or lox in a box, or a bagel in my navel, or a brownie with a townie, or a strudel with a poodle!!! LMAO!!

Welcome.
I think you will fit in nicely here.

[Cam63]

She brought muffins !

[AIPman1]

lol yea I added ya last night.

cool, think I'll send you an e-mail...

[AIPman1]

It is. He's not very bright.

Didn't Rick once take credit for the 90s boom, claiming that ORCA giving away a few comics helped fuel it?

I think he created the internet too...wait

that was Al Gore...

Dan Quail?

[ferretshark]

oh did I tell y'all that me made me drop friends on myspace including dimestore productions and matt doc martin for not being Olney fans?
You are always welcome back, Ronee. Your contributions have always been highly regarded and appreciated.

[TCJohnson]

Just so it's clear for the terminally goofy out there...;)

Bendis and I are pals, he teases me and I tease him back.

Gail

I thought I said that. It's being playful. :( ;)

[Ronée]

You are always welcome back, Ronee. Your contributions have always been highly regarded and appreciated.wow. thanks. You have to forgive me, after working for Olney I am not used to being treated nicely.

[websbestcomics]

This is the tip of the iceberg. He also stole my services for $2400.00. Working for Olney was the single worst experience of my career, actually the only truly bad experience I've had. He owes the flatter he hired to flat my pages. And I know for a fact that he owes thousands of dollars to at least one other former work-for-hire, who hasn't come forward publicly yet.

Rick, of course, has an excuse for everything. He will try to shift blame and will do and say anything, and I mean ANYTHING to deflect responsibility. We've seen this here, and I've numerous instances of this in emails from him over the last 6 months. What's most disgusting about his behavior is that he continues to throw shit at the people who trusted that he would pay them for their work, who extended themselves for him and met tight deadlines. I'm especially disgusted that he has now tried to use his blatant theft as a way of turning himself into a comics celebrity (hence his self portrait and slogan 'most hated man in comics'), as though he is proud of his actions. I find this astoundingly shameful. I can only hope that he paid the artist he hired to draw that. But I'm betting he hasn't.

That slogan is also a lie. He's not 'in' comics. He's just an internet loudmouth with a penchant for causing misery to honest working professionals.

[TCJohnson]

If you have the full version of Adobe Acrobat set up, you can print the page to Adobe Acrobat and save it as a pdf file. The end results are non-editable, so the text can't be changed.

Just FYI, you don't need adobe acrobat for that. There is something called PDF995. It does the same thing (can print things into PDFs...it is the only thing it does) but it is free. You can find it at www.pdf995.com.

[ferretshark]

I don't think any lawyers could possibly be involved in this. Don't most lawyers advise their clients to not say anything to anyone pending the outcome of their lawsuits? This would include contacting the complainants or defendants via email, phone calls, in person, or online via public forum, regular post mail, etc. lest the lawsuit be jeopardized.

I can't see how any lawyer would tolerate the amount of personal attacks and discussion between all parties in here and other online venues and think it couldn't hurt their case.

[ferretshark]

wow. thanks. You have to forgive me, after working for Olney I am not used to being treated nicely.
Hey, it's okay. I couldn't understand that we had lost you to the elements such as you've experienced, but that was personal choice and I accepted that. We all learn from experience. Ian and I value the positive contributions of our members and we always like to promote a healthy relationship with other small pressers, their forums and any other associated communities. Somehow everything became tarnished and some people became pawns or skewed in their directions. A control issue or something, sadly.

Networking is very key to our strategy of growth and prosperity for all. We don't tolerate bull$hit at the SPA. And any crap that occurs is directed off site and disputing parties are urged to bicker privately in order to prevent the widespread dissension that heated issues can inflict on the collective. We also enjoy the collaborations with other communities. We all benefit.

Ronee (and all else), share your proven creativity and wisdom with forums like CBR, the SPA, and anywhere else you can find that will not create hostilities for you and pit you against others where obvious control issues are underlying motives or where dangerous rivalry threatens your own personal objectives for success. Keep yourself open to branching out, but only where you are respected and not used as a pawn. Nobody needs that. It's grade school mentality and feeds the weakminded.

My philosophy: There are no problems, only solutions.

[singoalla]

I think there's a gag-rule on anyone involved in a possible law-suit in the US, no matter what the case is.

However, this is how it works for NDA's, oral contracts etc, as far as my laymen expertise goes (and having demanded back pay before):

If you have an oral contract, and someone owes you back pay, you may sue. Pooling together more people helps improve chances. Having evidence of this oral contract (emails, scribbled notes, tape recordings, a large number of people saying the same thing you are) is even better.

If you have an oral contract and someone owes you back pay but demands you sign an NDA before you get paid, they're basically blackmailing you. This is illegal. No one can force you to sign anything in order to get paid. Mob members have been imprisoned for this.

If you have a signed contract and have not been paid, you may sue for those wages. If you have a signed contract but have not signed an NDA, your employer can NOT make you sign the NDA unless it explicitly says so in the contract, that you must have the NDA in order to be paid.
The contract and NDA have to be tied together. Otherwise, if someone wants you to sign something after signing the contract, we're back to mob techniques again.

This also works the opposite way: If your employer has not had you sign a contract, and claims you've broken an oral contract, he can attempt to sue you. However, this is most difficult.

Oral contracts are a problem of epic He Said She Said proportions, unless of course one of the parties sends email promising payment, or promising payment on websites and whatnot.

http://www.myemploymentlawyer.com/mel/action.php3?action=search_answers&keylist=contract

http://www.myemploymentlawyer.com/hallway-faqs.htm

http://www.dol.gov/compliance/guide/index.htm

http://www.contilaw.com/links.html

[ferretshark]

See, now THERE'S some good posting! Very to-the-point, non-inflammatory and educational. Thank you, singoalla!!!

[Gail Simone]

If this is what you're talking about, well, I hope you're not talking about 200 emails like THIS ... because that sort of really doesn't justify this position that you seem to have in straddling this $100 dollar fence. But all menas, post them all!

Nope, I'll post what I like when I like.

And I never said 200 emails. Try to read what's actually said, okay?

READING IS FUNDAMENTAL.

I said I had two years of lies from you. Which I have!

Gail

[Gail Simone]

[QUOTE=OzBat!;4170324]If you have the full version of Adobe Acrobat set up, you can print the page to Adobe Acrobat and save it as a pdf file. The end results are non-editable, so the text can't be changed.

The other option is, we've quoted all his posts in our own posts, so even if he deleted all of his own, there's enough of it left to effectively display 99.999995% of it fully intact.

EDIT: Or I'll go and pdf 'em up for you. If he messes with any of his posts, drop me a line and I'll send these to ya, gail.



Thank you. That, with his comments about me working in porn (classy guy, that Rick) at the Dixonverse board show what he'll sink to. I'd love to see him try to make the case of 'libel,' when he's posted shit like that.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

As a creator I'm often asked to critique the portfilios of young creators and offer any advice I can. I'm thinking "Steer clear of Olney" should be at the top of my list of warnings, caveats and tips.

I have just read through the last 25 pages of this thread (Jeezus!) and Rick, though given every opportunity to make his case has come out looking like an absolute prick.

I have put up with some slime in the 15 plus years I've worked in this biz but he really takes the cake and I'll be sure to bookmark this thread to send to any starry-eyed newbies I run across who can't believe such ugliness exists in this industry.

I only hope that comic shop owners getting their orders ready to send out will read this thread as well.

Shame on you, Rick.



First, I thought he was a well-meaning goofball. But the paranoia and the attacks on people who brought up honest complaints about his convention made it clear there was more going on.

Then the lies, then the threats...over and over, with many, many people. People with a thousand times more integrity than he could have if he lived to be a hundred, like Chuck Dixon and Val Staples, and the others posting here.

And now yet another of his famous meltdowns.

Instead of saying, "I owe these people." Which everyone would understand, he goes this route, that none of it is ever, ever his fault.

Disgusting.

Y still rocks, though, Pia. :)


Gail

[Gail Simone]

If this is what you're talking about, well, I hope you're not talking about 200 emails like THIS ... because that sort of really doesn't justify this position that you seem to have in straddling this $100 dollar fence. But all menas, post them all!

You mean posts where you promise to pay and then never do?

Don't worry, liar, I have LOTS!


Gail

[Momma Absurd]

Ronee I absolutely love your avatar, it is adorable!!! I see Mr. Onery has been up and posting again and acting as if he is perfectly in the right. I have to tell you all, Psychology is my forte and I don't think a behavior has been introduced yet to explain Mr. Onery....Obsessive Complusive Bipolar Psychotic Abnormal behavior(?), it is amazing all of those could live in one bonehead!! "Out of my league", grrrrrrrrrr, I am still pissy over him saying that, sounds to me like he simply can't deal with intelligent people like all of you are...

[Gail Simone]

This is the tip of the iceberg. He also stole my services for $2400.00. Working for Olney was the single worst experience of my career, actually the only truly bad experience I've had. He owes the flatter he hired to flat my pages. And I know for a fact that he owes thousands of dollars to at least one other former work-for-hire, who hasn't come forward publicly yet.

Rick, of course, has an excuse for everything. He will try to shift blame and will do and say anything, and I mean ANYTHING to deflect responsibility. We've seen this here, and I've numerous instances of this in emails from him over the last 6 months. What's most disgusting about his behavior is that he continues to throw shit at the people who trusted that he would pay them for their work, who extended themselves for him and met tight deadlines. I'm especially disgusted that he has now tried to use his blatant theft as a way of turning himself into a comics celebrity (hence his self portrait and slogan 'most hated man in comics'), as though he is proud of his actions. I find this astoundingly shameful. I can only hope that he paid the artist he hired to draw that. But I'm betting he hasn't.

That slogan is also a lie. He's not 'in' comics. He's just an internet loudmouth with a penchant for causing misery to honest working professionals.



I'm sorry to hear that, Scott.

We haven't met, but we all seem to be in the club that this professional deadbeat crossed our path.

A LOT more people have written and for once his paranoia is justified, because they all have similar stories. Some of them are holding back because they hope Rick will, for once, keep his crappy word. I personally wish them the best, but I don't see it. Either he's an habitual liar or a deluded incompetent, and neither way seems to free up any of the promised money.

Gail

[Ronée]

WELL lets see... I have an oral contract and tons of email promising payment and agreeing to the amount as well as him saying on message boards that he owes me. asking for a contract or NDA now is illegal. hm. this just gets better and better.

[Ronée]

Ronee I absolutely love your avatar, it is adorable!!! I see Mr. Onery has been up and posting again and acting as if he is perfectly in the right. I have to tell you all, Psychology is my forte and I don't think a behavior has been introduced yet to explain Mr. Onery....Obsessive Complusive Bipolar Psychotic Abnormal behavior(?), it is amazing all of those could live in one bonehead!! "Out of my league", grrrrrrrrrr, I am still pissy over him saying that, sounds to me like he simply can't deal with intelligent people like all of you are...I like yours too... I am a lifelong Diana fan to say the least.

[Gail Simone]

I don't think any lawyers could possibly be involved in this. Don't most lawyers advise their clients to not say anything to anyone pending the outcome of their lawsuits? This would include contacting the complainants or defendants via email, phone calls, in person, or online via public forum, regular post mail, etc. lest the lawsuit be jeopardized.

I can't see how any lawyer would tolerate the amount of personal attacks and discussion between all parties in here and other online venues and think it couldn't hurt their case.

I was nice to Rick for many, many months, well after his lying started. I needed the money as my mom was in the hospital. And remember, it was never HIS money--I paid out of my own pocket because he'd convinced me too, ironically because he'd heard some pros take the money and never show., alledgedly. Sounds like more Olney bullshit to me.

But when the threats started, I quit being nice.

When he cheated a lot of honest people with TLE (and isn't it interesting not a single TLE creator is defending him?), then he went over the edge, and I am no longer interested in pleasantries with him.


Gail

[Gail Simone]

Ronee I absolutely love your avatar, it is adorable!!! I see Mr. Onery has been up and posting again and acting as if he is perfectly in the right. I have to tell you all, Psychology is my forte and I don't think a behavior has been introduced yet to explain Mr. Onery....Obsessive Complusive Bipolar Psychotic Abnormal behavior(?), it is amazing all of those could live in one bonehead!! "Out of my league", grrrrrrrrrr, I am still pissy over him saying that, sounds to me like he simply can't deal with intelligent people like all of you are...

He really does desperately need to feel like a big deal. We were held hostage by his ridiculous stories about how great he was for hours at the end of the con when we had an early flight. Parting company was a gargantuan relief, rejected credit card and unbooked hotel and all.

Oh, and notice that even though these emails prove his 'memory' is faulty and that he did indeed come up with the 100 amount (and promised it many, many times) he doesn't say, "Oh, I was mistaken," but instead moves right along, ignoring that he's just made a complete fool of himself.

Yikes. What it must be like to make up reality as you go.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

WELL lets see... I have an oral contract and tons of email promising payment and agreeing to the amount as well as him saying on message boards that he owes me. asking for a contract or NDA now is illegal. hm. this just gets better and better.

It's fun when his own words prove him a liar, isn't it? I wonder if he yells in the mirror for not providing himself with an NDA.

Gail

[Momma Absurd]

Yes, my attorney got involved 3 days ago when I brought him to my home and came to this site and he started with post number one and read through everything that Ronee and Gail and several others posted. I can't wait till he sees what Webbestcomics has written and posted today as well. As for the "gag-order" when it comes to my friends and my family being hurt, NOTHING can shut my mouth!!! The only thing that gags me is the bullshyte that comes from Mr. Onery!!!

Momma "shut my mouth and call me dead" Absurd

[Gail Simone]

Yes, my attorney got involved 3 days ago when I brought him to my home and came to this site and he started with post number one and read through everything that Ronee and Gail and several others posted. I can't wait till he sees what Webbestcomics has written and posted today as well. As for the "gag-order" when it comes to my friends and my family being hurt, NOTHING can shut my mouth!!! The only thing that gags me is the bullshyte that comes from Mr. Onery!!!

Momma "shut my mouth and call me dead" Absurd

You're out of your own league! ;)


Gail

[Gail Simone]

Once again...talk to a real lawyer. You clearly don't understand what libel means. You are attempting to "prove" that you have been defamed via slander and libel.

The definition: Libel' is the common term for 'defamation'. Defamation is the deliberate writing (libel) or speaking (slander) of untrue information about a person or corporation. Where the spreading of defamatory speech or material causes material damage to those it relates to they may seek legal redress for the damage caused. Libel, and how it is created and prosecuted, is a complex area of law. For the average person it is very difficult to prosecute.

It is one of the most difficult areas of law to win in. Its very expensive, often fails and the onus of proof is on you Rick. You have to prove that lies where said about you and that those lies harmed you in a real world way. Not just a "my feelings where hurt." You already have admitted multiple times your actions of non-payment in many different places on the web. All of which are admissible in a court of law. All of which would eliminate the whole "deliberate writing or speaking of untrue information about a person or corporation" aspect of your case. Key words there is "deliberate" and "untrue information" by the way since your reading comprehensive skills are a bit under-developed.

You also failed to get an NDR. You have to be able to produce signed NDRs and then prove that actual corporate information that harms the corporation and how it harms the corporation. You can't do that. They where not signed, so the documents don't exist. Ergo, no proof. Also, non payment of services wouldn't not be covered under an NDR as its not really corporate secrets and you have committed a harm, in effect broke the contract yourself by non-payment. All this your lawyer, if you had one and I don't think you do, would have told you. Lawyers cost money, you have none, so no lawyer knowing they will probably not get paid, would defend you. That is why in all your discussions no lawyer name or office has been presented to verify your representation.



Is it just me, or is Kingdom awesome?

Gail

[websbestcomics]

WELL lets see... I have an oral contract and tons of email promising payment and agreeing to the amount as well as him saying on message boards that he owes me. asking for a contract or NDA now is illegal. hm. this just gets better and better.

Same here. Things turned nasty quickly in my case, when I refused to continue to work for him for free (he owed payments on 2 long-overdue invoices). That's when his threats, insults, accusations and lies started. Truly amazing.

[Momma Absurd]

Just from reading the replies.........Yes Kingdom is awesome!!!

[Matt Doc Martin]

Ok, “Dick”…I want to address a few things with you.

You have called me at various times, including when I simply asked you if you owed money to the professionals listed in LitG, an internet fanboy, stalker, queer, and troll.

Let’s address these in terms I hope you understand, though as you are not very bright, I have serious doubts. I will use Wikipedia for a base set of definitions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy
Fanboy or fanboi is a term used to describe an individual (usually male, though the feminine version fangirl may be used for females) who is utterly devoted to a single fannish subject, or to a single point of view within that subject, often to the point where it is considered an obsession. Fanboys remain loyal to their particular obsession, disregarding any factors that differ from their point of view. They are also typically hateful to the opposing brand or competition of their obsession regardless of its merits or achievements.

I asked you if you owed money to creators, as reported multiple times. I asked this because I saw you posting on a friends MySpace account talking all sorts of crap. Does that make me a fanboy? It would be a huge fucking stretch, even in your deluded world view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking
Stalking is a legal term for repeated harassment or other forms of invasion of a person's privacy in a manner that causes fear to its target. Statutes vary between jurisdictions but may include such acts as:
• repeated physical following;
• unwanted contact (by letter or other means of communication);
• observing a person's actions closely for an extended period of time; or
• contacting family members, friends, or associates of a target inappropriately
• cyberstalking
According to the US's National Center for Victims of Crime, 1 out of every 12 women will be stalked during her lifetime. 1 out of 45 men will be stalked during his lifetime. Over one million women and nearly 380,000 men are stalked annually
And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking
Cyberstalkers target victims using online forums, bulletin boards, chat rooms, spyware, and spam. They may engage in live chat harassment or flaming or they may send electronic viruses and unsolicited e-mails. They may repeatedly instant message their targets. More commonly they will post defamatory or derogatory statements about their stalking target on web pages, message boards and in guest books designed to trigger a reaction or response from their victim, thereby initiating contact.

As far as the first definition, again, it is a tough road for you to hoe. However, you mentioned me at least twice in your MySpace AND posted my picture there. You also sent me messages promising a “surprise” ay MegaCon and have asked me for my physical address. You also told me I’d be “lucky to stay on my feet”. Gosh, THAT sounds like a threat. I am sooo scared. I sent you ONE instant message when you missed my open question here whether you would be at MegaCon. You made it sound like you/TightLip would have a table there, being the great force in comics that you are. Now you say you may get a comp ticket. Wonderful! Something else you don’t have to pay! And way to “drop names”. Ass.

You also kept coming here, reading this thread, then rushing back to post excerpts on your blog. All to attempt to draw visitors there. You encourage those who hate you to pursue you. You are trying to breed stalkers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer
The word queer has traditionally meant "strange" or "unusual". "Queer" is currently often used in reference to lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex communities. Its usage is controversial and underwent substantial changes over the course of the 20th century. The term is still considered by some to be offensive and derisive, and by others simply as a re-appropriated term used to describe a sexual orientation and/or gender identity or gender expression that does not conform to heteronormative society.
Queer is still used to mean 'strange' or 'unusual' in many contexts, and in some areas its modern usage must clearly be indicated by the context for it to be understood with its newer meaning.
Uh, I may be strange and unusual, but I don’t like guys. Not that there is anything wrong with that, mind you, but I don’t swing that way. Your logo for TightLip looks like spooge dripping off the tongue of a hentai drawing. Are you queer? Because that drawing is fucking strange and creepy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others.

Well, as far as you are concerned, everyone here is a troll. If troll meant people that post true experiences, lack of payment and unpleasant experiences with you. Of course, it COULD mean someone who forces others to bend to their will (tried to get anyone to drop friends off their MySpace lately? How DID that work out for you?)

Now, my father did live under a bridge once. And I do have 3 billy goats gruff who are my sworn mortal enemies. But I am a sexy beast, not a troll.

I love how YOUR OWN WORDS are ignored by you. You, sir, are a lousy ex-marine. I was in the military. I have my own “patriotic” honorable discharges. I have friends who are Marines. There is a code of honor to being in the military in general and the Marines specifically. A duty to keep your word. You, “sir” do not. You should be ashamed by your actions and do the world a favor and piss off.
Again from Wikipedia:
One early reference to troll found in the Google Usenet archive was by user "Mark Miller", directed toward the user "Tad", on February 8, 1990.[1] However, it is unclear if this instance represents a usage of "troll" as it is known today, or if it was simply a chance choice of epithet:
You are so far beyond being able to understand anything anyone here says that this is just converging on uselessness. The really sad part is that you really believe that you're winning. You are a shocking waste of natural resources — kindly re-integrate yourself into the food-chain. Just go die in your sleep you mindless flatulent troll.


Aptly put, if I do say so myself.

[Momma Absurd]

Wow Scott, I really hate to hear that he did you that way as well and for so much money. He has no morals, scruples or integrity, I would call him a spineless jellyfish, but why defame an innocent creature.........

[Gail Simone]

Same here. Things turned nasty quickly in my case, when I refused to continue to work for him for free (he owed payments on 2 long-overdue invoices). That's when his threats, insults, accusations and lies started. Truly amazing.

I already have two stacks of letters printed. One with two years of his lies about payment to me, and another stack with other people he's cheated similarly. A normal person would be ashamed to have all this stuff out there, but Rick seems only to blame the people he's cheated.

Rick, when you talk to your lawyer, be sure to tell him I have these two stacks of email proving every word I said, would you? And that you have been proven wrong again and again, and your own words show it? Oh, and all your meltdowns?

I'm sure he'll be DELIGHTED.

Gail

[Momma Absurd]

Impressive post Matt!!!

[TCJohnson]

(and isn't it interesting not a single TLE creator is defending him?),


Maybe the NDA is preventing them? I am sure that is it. :D

[Momma Absurd]

I just have to say this though it is mean and horribly wrong on my part,......but I was just thinking, that perhaps Mr.Onery met his "lawyer" while they both bound in straitjackets and sharing the rubber room, lying in the corner on the 4th floor, whispering in the dark about how they would take over the world by starting with the comic industry, TONIGHT PINKY THE WORLD IS OURS!!! LMAO!!! (say that in the Peewee Herman voice)

[MacQuarrie]

Not a problem, Jim. It has been noted that you take such little respect for the property of other people claering and legally defined. ;)

Is that in english? I know what those words all mean, but I have absolutely no idea what they're supposed to mean when sturng together in that order. Please for the love of God just speak plainly and say what you mean.

[Typo Lad]

You know what "claering" means?

Please tell me.

[THEDOC]

Originally Posted by orcafresh View Post
Say's everybody's lil buddy!
Thanks Tim for the defense it means a lot but "Rick" is just a pathedic little man who will get his come upons one day. "Lil buddy"?? Does that make me Gillligan, "Skipper Rick", if so I should have pushed you off The IF Minnow when you showed up.
"Rick" isn't part of the universe like in my saying I think he is a leftover from Zero Hour.
It is sad the rift he caused between you, me and Ian when this whole thing started and like you I listened to Rick too so don't be hard on yourself.
I am hoping one day the three of us will share a chatroom again like the old days and the SPA, ICC and IF can work together.
About your toy review column Tim, since new toys are hard to get at what about a retro column about our childhood toys and I would put that on the iF site.
Daphne, you are a god send to Tim, and I can start to hear the happiness in his voice coming back since you have shown up. It will be great if we all can meet in March. Heck i'll drive whereever you guys end up to visit.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Impressive post Matt!!!

Thanks. I doubt logic works in his world, though, if his own words mean nothing.

[TomStillwell]

I just have to say this though it is mean and horribly wrong on my part,......but I was just thinking, that perhaps Mr.Onery met his "lawyer" while they both bound in straitjackets and sharing the rubber room, lying in the corner on the 4th floor, whispering in the dark about how they would take over the world by starting with the comic industry, TONIGHT PINKY THE WORLD IS OURS!!! LMAO!!! (say that in the Peewee Herman voice)

I'm kinda late in doing so but I wanted to welcome you to CBR. You'll do just fine here.

[Gail Simone]

Is that in english? I know what those words all mean, but I have absolutely no idea what they're supposed to mean when sturng together in that order. Please for the love of God just speak plainly and say what you mean.

Parts of it seem to be in English. The rest is that crazy made-up grammar and vocabulary on the TLE website.

I think it's Sanskrit.

Gail

[Magneto_X]

I just have to say this though it is mean and horribly wrong on my part,......but I was just thinking, that perhaps Mr.Onery met his "lawyer" while they both bound in straitjackets and sharing the rubber room, lying in the corner on the 4th floor, whispering in the dark about how they would take over the world by starting with the comic industry, TONIGHT PINKY THE WORLD IS OURS!!! LMAO!!! (say that in the Peewee Herman voice)

Ironically Pink and the Brain are more intelligent, have better manners and more honour then Dick does.

Welcome to CBR, btw.

Doc is a lucky guy to have you at his side.

[Gail Simone]

Thanks. I doubt logic works in his world, though, if his own words mean nothing.

No, but it's nice to see something so sensible after wading through his emails!

Gail

[MacQuarrie]

There actually are legal guidelines to sitruations where people say things against other real people and try to hide behind the, "Well, I have a right to my opinion." Dig away at your own little fox hole, Mr. MacQ. :rolleyes:

Please direct all correspondence to Kelly G. Richardson, Esq. at Richardson & Harman LLP. (http://www.rh4law.com/)

[Gail Simone]

I think there's a gag-rule on anyone involved in a possible law-suit in the US, no matter what the case is.

However, this is how it works for NDA's, oral contracts etc, as far as my laymen expertise goes (and having demanded back pay before):

If you have an oral contract, and someone owes you back pay, you may sue. Pooling together more people helps improve chances. Having evidence of this oral contract (emails, scribbled notes, tape recordings, a large number of people saying the same thing you are) is even better.

If you have an oral contract and someone owes you back pay but demands you sign an NDA before you get paid, they're basically blackmailing you. This is illegal. No one can force you to sign anything in order to get paid. Mob members have been imprisoned for this.

If you have a signed contract and have not been paid, you may sue for those wages. If you have a signed contract but have not signed an NDA, your employer can NOT make you sign the NDA unless it explicitly says so in the contract, that you must have the NDA in order to be paid.
The contract and NDA have to be tied together. Otherwise, if someone wants you to sign something after signing the contract, we're back to mob techniques again.

This also works the opposite way: If your employer has not had you sign a contract, and claims you've broken an oral contract, he can attempt to sue you. However, this is most difficult.

Oral contracts are a problem of epic He Said She Said proportions, unless of course one of the parties sends email promising payment, or promising payment on websites and whatnot.

http://www.myemploymentlawyer.com/mel/action.php3?action=search_answers&keylist=contract

http://www.myemploymentlawyer.com/hallway-faqs.htm

http://www.dol.gov/compliance/guide/index.htm

http://www.contilaw.com/links.html



Well said, Singo.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

so we can be friends now?

Ian, call me ignorant, but...can you explain what SPA is?

I don't think I've heard of it.

Thanks!

Gail

[Momma Absurd]

Well lilbuddy, if you hear someone whispering push him off, push him off, in your ear, it isn't your conscience, it is me....*goes off to do the Happy Friday dance*

P.S. Tim is the Godsend to me!!!

[Gail Simone]

I think the lesson here is, don't screw with Daphne or Ronee, unless you want to pull back a bloody stump where your hand used to be!

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Can I be your plebe?

Apparently it means something bad, in Rickspeak.

Gail

[MacQuarrie]

And you think that makes ME look evil and you like a good guy? :rolleyes:

Yeah, kinda.

[websbestcomics]

I'm sorry to hear that, Scott.

We haven't met, but we all seem to be in the club that this professional deadbeat crossed our path.

A LOT more people have written and for once his paranoia is justified, because they all have similar stories. Some of them are holding back because they hope Rick will, for once, keep his crappy word. I personally wish them the best, but I don't see it. Either he's an habitual liar or a deluded incompetent, and neither way seems to free up any of the promised money.

Gail

I'm not going to start speculating on his state of mind, but rather stay on target to the things I can prove, the fact that Rick Olney is a liar and thief.

[TCJohnson]

Please direct all correspondence to Kelly G. Richardson, Esq. at Richardson & Harman LLP. (http://www.rh4law.com/
)

Something is wrong with the formatting of your link there. Looks like you got a line break that shouldn't be there. Richardson & Harman LLP (http://www.rh4law.com/) should work better.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Yeah, kinda.



Heh. I didn't really think I needed to point that out to him, seeing as it looked so clear to everyone else on the planet.

The internet can be a breeding ground for assholes, seeing as anyone can say anything behind the safety of a keyboard, but this moron is something special.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Please direct all correspondence to Kelly G. Richardson, Esq. at Richardson & Harman LLP. (http://www.rh4law.com/
)


I can't wait to see "Dick" post a link to Lionel Hutz.

[Momma Absurd]

Well I got out the dictionary and "claering" is not listed however plebe is listed now look at this.......pleb, n. common people.2. crude or coarse in manner or style, common....

Ms Gail I see nothing common about you or Ronee or anyone else here, although I can be rude and crude and I am proud of the fact that I can speak my mind even though it means I will be called a plebe by a braying jackass high on crack.

[AIPman1]

It is sad the rift he caused between you, me and Ian when this whole thing started and like you I listened to Rick too so don't be hard on yourself.
I am hoping one day the three of us will share a chatroom again like the old days and the SPA, ICC and IF can work together.
The SPA and IF are currently working together, as I get set to print Lance's HALL OF FAME articles in Self Publisher! Magazine. So people know. I am hoping it will gear us towards the more formal Self Publisher Hall of Fame we first talked about in the SPA 3 some years back. Gotta get the magazine out on a schedule for a while first though...I'm really enjoying getting this new issue together after the long hiatus...

[TCJohnson]

I hope you don't mind me asking but...

What is the SPA, IF and ICC and who is in charge of what?

[Val]

That which I told you had to do with any matter revolving around Dixon and Staples. Nothing where you or anyone else is concerned. I am perfectly free to talk about those matters that I am not told NOT to talk about.

Mr. Olney,

What I don't understand is what do you hope to gain by threatening to involve the court over people like myself for wanting our money?

After hearing multiple excuses and ultimately silence from you in response to my inquiries about payment, I went public as a record of non payment and to inform other creators so they could avoid the same problems I'm experiencing.

Your response?
Not an apology.
Not an effort to put together a payment plan and keep creators informed.
It was a threat of litigation... all because I want to be paid in a professional, timely fashion for services rendered months ago.

If by some chance you took me to court, what would you hope to win?
If you want to be a respectable professional publisher, then please do the right thing: apologize, stop threatening people who trusted you enough to work for you, and put together a game plan for payment with regular updates.

[MacQuarrie]

It would go from TightLip Entertainment to our legal counsel and that decision would be made by them. I don't anticipate that it would take long at all.



Ronee has already resigned. So her pay is actully 'locked' legally until the NDA and contract, or in a few cases I'm told a legal release will only be required to get payment in motion. But without signing the NDA and a contract or release from further obligation ... Nada.
I say again: If you WANTED to pay her, you'd pay her. You could cut a check and straighten out the paperwork later. You could pay her out of your personal account and then get reimbursed from TLE once the contracts were signed. You could write out a check from TLE and call it an advance, then amend the record later when all the papers are done. There are a hundred ways you could pay her what she's owed if you wanted to pay her.

If you wanted to. You don't want to. The legal mumbo-jumbo is all bullshit and you know it.

[AIPman1]

Please direct all correspondence to Kelly G. Richardson, Esq. at Richardson & Harman LLP. (http://www.rh4law.com/
)

something's breaking the url there...it's not clickable. we gotta make it simple for Rick...he might not know how to copy and paste into an address bar...

http://www.rh4law.com/

[EdContradictory]

If you wanted to. You don't want to. The legal mumbo-jumbo is all bullshit and you know it.

Well said.

[AIPman1]

Ian, call me ignorant, but...can you explain what SPA is?

I don't think I've heard of it.

Thanks!

Gail

It started out as a Yahoo club...stood for Small Press Association. Later, when we moved into our own forums, we changed it to Self Publisher Association...

the mission is simple: "we are banded together by past and intended future participation in publishing, to build better tools for everyone to use in making it more likely to survive in today's market"

Right now we're best known for running the yearly Small Press Idol contest. We've launched a number of titles to print through that, the first Metro Med story was printed in Mysterious Visions Anthology as the prize the first year...they went on to shooting Star comics with the title...Caleb Monroe's Redchapel was printed as the prize last year, this year we launched Kevin McVeigh's The Squirrel, and did a new experiment, the finalists for this year were each given a #0 issue, and we sold copies online, the winner of the contest was the #0 that sold the best. Which was Badlands Taxi by troy kelley.

I've also built a Distro for indies and small press, which is linked to the Self Publisher! Magazine, as a tool for publishers who aren't able to go with Diamond to get exposure and move copies. Payout on sales is 90% of cover price base to start. We're working on availability to stores...but it'll be a process...

[THEDOC]

What is the SPA, IF and ICC and who is in charge of what?
SPA is Self Publisher Association which Ian could tell you more about.
ICC is Independent Creators Coalition, Doc_A can tell you about that.
IF is INTER-FAN which has been around since 1975 in one form or another I am the third director and early members were Jerry Ordway and Dave Mazzucchelli, we try to bring artists, writers and publishers together for projects and we are also a historical site for Comic Fandom. WE have a IF Fandon Hall of Fame for those who have departed this realm, like Richard "Grass: Green and Alan Hanley. We have a Fandom History Section, which Rick even gave some nice rememberances so I get confused how someone who was such a fan would be the way he is now?
We also have a Fanzine History Section, which I am hoping to add a database to catalog all Fanzines ever published. We also support the Who's Who of American Comics by my dear departed freind and Fandom Founder Jerry Bails.

[AIPman1]

I hope you don't mind me asking but...

What is the SPA, IF and ICC and who is in charge of what?
I started the SPA in 2001, IF (Inter-Fan) is Lance's effort, based on efforts from the 80's fandom I beleive, he can tell you more about the history there. I'll let others speak of the ICC as I have no knowledge of it past that it was created to lure people away from the SPA, and it's now Tim's...and that Tim worked to make it it's own thing.

[AIPman1]

doc beat me...lol

[Ronée]

Funny thing is he hired me for my "take no shit" ways and loud mouth and now it just might be his undoing. By the way Gail, just to give you a heads up, I will be using quotes from this thread for my column unless someone specifically objects.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Funny thing is he hired me for my "take no shit" ways and loud mouth and now it just might be his undoing. By the way Gail, just to give you a heads up, I will be using quotes from this thread for my column unless someone specifically objects.



Only if you promise to show his quick wit and ironclad logic!

[Ronée]

but of course.

[Momma Absurd]

I wish I could draw like you all can. I would do my own cartoons of a blathering idiot and call it, "Ranting's from Rick's Rubber Room"....catchy huh?

[ferretshark]

I started the SPA in 2001, IF (Inter-Fan) is Lance's effort, based on efforts from the 80's fandom I beleive, he can tell you more about the history there. I'll let others speak of the ICC as I have no knowledge of it past that it was created to lure people away from the SPA, and it's now Tim's...and that Tim worked to make it it's own thing.
Plus we at the SPA are 2,232 members strong to date. Not as many as this forum, obviously, but still a worthy community.

[Gail Simone]

Plus we at the SPA are 2,232 members strong to date. Not as many as this forum, obviously, but still a worthy community.

Absolutely!

It sounds very impressive!

Gail

[EdContradictory]

ORCA boasts a membership in the tens! The tens! Tens of people belong to ORCA!

Cower before its impressive statistics!

[singoalla]

WELL lets see... I have an oral contract and tons of email promising payment and agreeing to the amount as well as him saying on message boards that he owes me. asking for a contract or NDA now is illegal. hm. this just gets better and better.

Basically yes. Of course, I am no lawyer, but this is the gist of what I found out when trying to get my own cash back.

But not only do you have tons of promises of impending payment, you also have him stating online, on this forum that as soon as you sign your NDA and such he will pay you FOR THE WORK YOU'VE DONE FOR HIM!

:D

[Matt Doc Martin]

ORCA boasts a membership in the tens! The tens! Tens of people belong to ORCA!

Cower before its impressive statistics!

Bwahahahahahaha!

[singoalla]

Well said, Singo.

Gail


ahhh!! she spoke to me! I will never wash my typing fingers again! O_o

[thespianphryne]

Parts of it seem to be in English. The rest is that crazy made-up grammar and vocabulary on the TLE website.

I think it's Sanskrit.

Gail

::gasp:: ::hand to heart:: Please don't drag Sanskrit into this. What did Sanskrit ever do to you that's so wrong? :( Just because Sanskrit speaks to me and not to you is no reason to defame the poor thing.

-Das

[AIPman1]

let me be the first to point out that of 2000+ members, active participation tends to be much less, and cyclical in nature. Anyway...it's the page views and unique visitors your site gets that sells the ads, right? not how many people have signed up at your forum...

[SUPERECWFAN1]

My grandfather is dead and he died when I was a little boy. But years ago when he worked and all , he usually did it for people and brought someone along to help him. Be it shoveling shale rock or stone , pouring concrete ect ect.

He told my dad " You can't lie to the boys. The boys who agree to help you work deserve their pay. They have families and needs too."

Now if something happened or someone wouldn't pay ect ect , my Grandpa could explain it to whoever went for him. He'd promise to make it up to whoever it was with extra on the next handyman job or get it somehow for him. And he always did.


I ran into an old man at a Krogers one day and he talked to me and my dad. He even bragged that my dad and grandpa were very honest to him. Whenever they owed him , they paid. That was a nice thing and even he felt sadden my grandpa was gone.

Thats the thing Rick....ya can't screw the " Boys " so to speak. Because once ya screw them , who will work for you ? Your reputation is something that even when your dead and gone that will exist. My grandfather's been dead for close to 20 years. But seeing some guy come along and put him over for being a great man , was sweet.

[Matt Algren]

Anyone know how to save whole CBR threads? We have a ton of the stuff he deleted elsewhere where he acted like a complete jackass.
Just FYI, you don't need adobe acrobat for that. There is something called PDF995. It does the same thing (can print things into PDFs...it is the only thing it does) but it is free. You can find it at www.pdf995.com.
There's also cutepdf (http://www.cutepdf.com/), which doesn't have ads and such. Free, of course.

[Sarah Beach]

Not that I'm pointing a finger at anyone specific here, mind you. ;) But I've been reading The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout, Ph.D., for research (working on some mysteries/procedural scripts). And I ran across this interesting list.

According to a 1995 study of sociopathic traits, the reserachers determined a list of at least 8 traits of the sociopath. In descending order of import:
* Fails to conform to social norms
* Aggressive
* Reckless
* Impulsive
* Fails to honor financial obligations
* Inconsistent work
* Never monogamous
* Lacks remorse

It's an interesting list, don't you think?

Strange.... I think I've seen instances of 7 of those 8 traits in recent weeks. That 8th one... I'm not in any position to know about. And I don't really want to. 7 out of 8 is a pretty high score, I'd think.

[Momma Absurd]

Good Work Sarah! That is the checklist for the sociopath behavior study. And he does lack any kind of remorse about putting people in a very difficult position.

[Sarah Beach]

Oh, I quite agree, Momma Absurd! That was one of the 7 I've seen demonstrated in recent weeks. I was observing indirectly that I wouldn't know about the "monogamous" element, one way or the other.

Just sayin'. :)