Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[JamesRitcheyIII]

He relishes the attention though. Why give him any form of please? Anyone googling his name will now learn what sort of "business" he runs. Why give him more attention?

Negative press in comics (at least on the small press/Indy level) is career death, unlike other mediums. His slander of me, personally, led to severe problems/setbacks for me. Revealing the truth about him should NOT be reduced to being in the same category, any more than Danny listening to what he has to say, however repetitive, should be 'poo-pooed' on. I'd NEVER accept a facebook invitation from the shitmonkey, because I'm not interested in having any association--but I'm not Danny, and neither are many here owed money. If there was even a remote (.000003%) possibility of genuine repentance, I see no harm in Danny giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Like Colleen's story a few pages back, people owe me thousands of dollars for artwork--people in the same ethical category as Th' Whale. If one of those people contacted me, and said 'I'll pay you, if you sign something', regardless of my ire at them, I'd be hard-pressed to tell them to fuck off.

[Danny Donovan]

He relishes the attention though. Why give him any form of please? Anyone googling his name will now learn what sort of "business" he runs. Why give him more attention?


mmmmm relish.

I think I will have a hot dog!

[Gail Simone]

You know what I keep finding so funny.

Almost everyone doing something creative who posts here regularly has prospered. We've got great projects, great reviews, great support systems, and great friends. I honestly can hardly imagine being any happier than I am right now.

And Rick guaranteed we'd all be sad and the internet would turn on us and the industry would rise up to crush us all and his lawyers would put us in jail for telling the world about his being a disgusting deadbeat creep.

And yet, we're almost all doing better than at any point in our lives. We all have projects coming up that we love, we all have well respected projects on our resume.

Hell, Kurt Busiek BELCHES more creative stuff than Rick Olney has produced in his entire life. Tom Stillwell put out a beautiful graphic novel without a bit of compromise. Colleen remains one of the best and most respected creators there is. Danny did incredibly well with Zuda. Scott Reed produced one of my favorite graphic novels in years, and on and on and on.

Man, I was so SURE Olney's mighty leaggle team would destroy us all and Jonah with us! And of course, when he said there would be huge consequences for my calling him a deadbeat, I didn't realize he meant I would be happier, with more amazing job opportunities coming every week, than at any other point in my life.

Maybe pointing out the truth about Olney makes one successful?

[THEDOC]

But Danny! He's already decided that you weren't serious about accepting it, so he's not even going to send it, because you wouldn't give it a fair reading! Even though you said you would. It's because you dared to suggest that you would actually read it and check it with a legal advisor (as one should with EVERY legal document!), you know.

:biggrin:

Somehow, he can read the future, don't you know? And the Future tells him that you will be a big unjust meanie. And since the Future is Certain, why should he even bother?

Self-fulfilling prophecy.

No no The Time Trapper made a pocket universe where RO sees the "future" but it's his version, so of course he finds out he came out of this unscathed and is now the most popular person in Fandom. He now runs Marvel.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Yeah...suggestion, Rick...when you get a gut reaction about something, try doing the polar opposite. It's like someone called you 'psycho', and you thought it meant 'psychic'. Being a preemptive dick to the mean interweb haters, instead of fulfilling your obligations and paying those you owe money to isn't really working out for you.

Riffing on what Gail said--I may feel like a huge freaking loser/failure right now due in large to an unappreciative AC fan base, Diamond making AC raise the cover price and zero promotion to mainstream comicdom--but it's of some consequence to me, Rick, that I finally got the entire Lama reboot published in two issues, despite your efforts.

[Coppervale Studio]

You know what I keep finding so funny.

Almost everyone doing something creative who posts here regularly has prospered. We've got great projects, great reviews, great support systems, and great friends. I honestly can hardly imagine being any happier than I am right now.

And Rick guaranteed we'd all be sad and the internet would turn on us and the industry would rise up to crush us all and his lawyers would put us in jail for telling the world about his being a disgusting deadbeat creep.

And yet, we're almost all doing better than at any point in our lives. We all have projects coming up that we love, we all have well respected projects on our resume.

Hell, Kurt Busiek BELCHES more creative stuff than Rick Olney has produced in his entire life. Tom Stillwell put out a beautiful graphic novel without a bit of compromise. Colleen remains one of the best and most respected creators there is. Danny did incredibly well with Zuda. Scott Reed produced one of my favorite graphic novels in years, and on and on and on.

Man, I was so SURE Olney's mighty leaggle team would destroy us all and Jonah with us! And of course, when he said there would be huge consequences for my calling him a deadbeat, I didn't realize he meant I would be happier, with more amazing job opportunities coming every week, than at any other point in my life.

Maybe pointing out the truth about Olney makes one successful?

Well, he DID say he could change my life any time he wanted. So maybe he WANTED me to get all these book deals.

Oh, wait... I was already doing that stuff. So I guess it didn't have anything to do with him at all.

[Coppervale Studio]

Yeah...suggestion, Rick...when you get a gut reaction about something, try doing the polar opposite. It's like someone called you 'psycho', and you thought it meant 'psychic'. Being a preemptive dick to the mean interweb haters, instead of fulfilling your obligations and paying those you owe money to isn't really working out for you.

Riffing on what Gail said--I may feel like a huge freaking loser/failure right now due in large to an unappreciative AC fan base, Diamond making AC raise the cover price and zero promotion to mainstream comicdom--but it's of some consequence to me, Rick, that I finally got the entire Lama reboot published in two issues, despite your efforts.

Dude - all you'd have to do to outperform Rick is convince ten people on a camping trip to talk about comics. He couldn't even manage THAT.

[Chris Hansbrough]

c'mon guys. YABS comic-con camp out?

hmmm...that actually sounds kind of fun.

[bluecove]

By "back it up," I'm fairly sure he means that instead of moving forward and settling his affairs by paying people, he's now going to treat everyone the way he's always treated them and blame the non-payment on you all for being "mean."

Of course, he's been doing that ever since this thread started, and no one's bought it yet.

That's all I wanted to say.


Sara

[JTPencils]

OK folks, I just got the STRANGEST email ever. First, there was an initial email contact made through my employer... saying that they (the sender) thought I worked for them, and was wondering if they could be put in touch with me. So my employer forwarded the inquiry to me, and I responded asking "What may I do for you?" I didn't recognize the email address, and didn't know what it was all about.

To put it quickly, last school season, I was performing at one school, and a teacher was upset over a joke that I made about him. In retrospect, I shouldn't have said it probably (he was overly sensitive about his being, folically challenged), and when I was called on the carpet about it (by my employer, who had gotten a phone call about this from the teacher), I contacted the teacher by phone, apologized profusely, and (according to him) was going to be something "put behind us". Issue over, done, complete.

Then this email. Now the beginning of the email certainly addressed the problem from last year with this teacher (and I DON"T think I ever mentioned it here before on YABS)... and "how could I embarrass him so" and how kids in this NEW school year were perpetuating the joke I made last year...

THEN the email turned strange... in his final two paragraphs, I'm suddenly thinking this ISN'T the teacher...

"I'm not sure when you are coming back to my school, but I can assure you of one thing: I won't take it like I did last time. I walked out of your performance out of embarrassment and when I returned at the end, you hit me again. I won't take it again. I'll lose my job and probably get some jail time, but I won't be embarrassed in front of my coworkers and 200 kids ever again.

In the future, it is my hope that you treat your audience (the entire) with the respect due to them and deliver a positive program (No hold harmless, no NDA, no dancing like a puppet for your enjoyment).
Then, just perhaps, you may begin to repair your reputation. But I still have the lingering question: Why?"

Now I've NEVER heard of emails crossing wires, and showing the body of two different emails... but what the heck? Why would this person (whom as I said, I spoke to on the phone, and supposedly it was over with), mention NDA's? Hold Harmless Agreements? Dancing like a puppet? "I may go to jail" All comments that are common place here on YABS in my relation/regard with the vile one... but not this particular teacher?!?

I sent back another apologetic letter, but did ask where the basis of those particular comments came from. I'm sure I'll get back some sort of response. But if it's who I THINK it is... then I'm pissed, because now it's involved my present day employer, and THAT I will follow up on.

Anyone have any ideas? I'm no techie type to follow back (trace IP's and such) emails etc.

[Cam63]

<sigh>

Please stop feeding the Olney.

What about some salad ?

He may thank us in years to come.

[sk716]

OK folks, I just got the STRANGEST email ever. First, there was an initial email contact made through my employer... saying that they (the sender) thought I worked for them, and was wondering if they could be put in touch with me. So my employer forwarded the inquiry to me, and I responded asking "What may I do for you?" I didn't recognize the email address, and didn't know what it was all about.

To put it quickly, last school season, I was performing at one school, and a teacher was upset over a joke that I made about him. In retrospect, I shouldn't have said it probably (he was overly sensitive about his being, folically challenged), and when I was called on the carpet about it (by my employer, who had gotten a phone call about this from the teacher), I contacted the teacher by phone, apologized profusely, and (according to him) was going to be something "put behind us". Issue over, done, complete.

Then this email. Now the beginning of the email certainly addressed the problem from last year with this teacher (and I DON"T think I ever mentioned it here before on YABS)... and "how could I embarrass him so" and how kids in this NEW school year were perpetuating the joke I made last year...

THEN the email turned strange... in his final two paragraphs, I'm suddenly thinking this ISN'T the teacher...

"I'm not sure when you are coming back to my school, but I can assure you of one thing: I won't take it like I did last time. I walked out of your performance out of embarrassment and when I returned at the end, you hit me again. I won't take it again. I'll lose my job and probably get some jail time, but I won't be embarrassed in front of my coworkers and 200 kids ever again.

In the future, it is my hope that you treat your audience (the entire) with the respect due to them and deliver a positive program (No hold harmless, no NDA, no dancing like a puppet for your enjoyment).
Then, just perhaps, you may begin to repair your reputation. But I still have the lingering question: Why?"

Now I've NEVER heard of emails crossing wires, and showing the body of two different emails... but what the heck? Why would this person (whom as I said, I spoke to on the phone, and supposedly it was over with), mention NDA's? Hold Harmless Agreements? Dancing like a puppet? "I may go to jail" All comments that are common place here on YABS in my relation/regard with the vile one... but not this particular teacher?!?

I sent back another apologetic letter, but did ask where the basis of those particular comments came from. I'm sure I'll get back some sort of response. But if it's who I THINK it is... then I'm pissed, because now it's involved my present day employer, and THAT I will follow up on.

Anyone have any ideas? I'm no techie type to follow back (trace IP's and such) emails etc.

I've never heard of emails crossing like that before nor do I have a lot of experience with tracing back an email, in fact TCJohnson is a lot better about this kind of thing than I am. But, if you forward it with all headers you should be able to see the path the mail took and possibly get an originating IP address. Once you get that IP number you can put it in here (http://www.iplocation.net/) and have a reasonably good chance of finding out which town or area of a state the email originated from.

[JTPencils]

OK, but forward it to myself? Someone else? See, I don't know about any of that stuff.

My suspicion is mostly because of the date of the email that was sent to my company's customer service first (Sept 5... no New England Schools had started as of yet this year, so how was he already getting "snipes" from what was done last year?)... the fact that when the teacher was originally upset about this, he CALLED the company, not emailed them asking basically "I think you have a person there by the name of ________________, Is this so? I'd like to speak to him". If he was already having issues in school again, why didn't he just CALL the same number he did last time? See what I mean?

Just things seem funky... half the email sounded like it could be the real teacher (though I find it hard to fathom my ONE error, on ONE day, would carry over for him months later into the new school season), but then there were those other tell tale "comments". It's like a poker player's "tell", where you can spot when they're bluffing or not.

If anyone has an idea, or suggestion, I"d appreciate it. This involves my real time day job, and I can NOT have this going on.

[Coppervale Studio]

Yes - the headers on the email should show the originating IP address, which can be traced. This might also be worth making a phone call to the teacher, just to make sure. That would be the fastest way to find out - and either way you would have a chance to make sure things are cool with HIM.

[Coppervale Studio]

OK, but forward it to myself? Someone else? See, I don't know about any of that stuff.

My suspicion is mostly because of the date of the email that was sent to my company's customer service first (Sept 5... no New England Schools had started as of yet this year, so how was he already getting "snipes" from what was done last year?)... the fact that when the teacher was originally upset about this, he CALLED the company, not emailed them asking basically "I think you have a person there by the name of ________________, Is this so? I'd like to speak to him". If he was already having issues in school again, why didn't he just CALL the same number he did last time? See what I mean?

Just things seem funky... half the email sounded like it could be the real teacher (though I find it hard to fathom my ONE error, on ONE day, would carry over for him months later into the new school season), but then there were those other tell tale "comments". It's like a poker player's "tell", where you can spot when they're bluffing or not.

If anyone has an idea, or suggestion, I"d appreciate it. This involves my real time day job, and I can NOT have this going on.

Send it to me. I'll look it up.

[JTPencils]

double posted

[Coppervale Studio]

double posted

Depends on the email you use - but it can't hurt to try. And I'm just waiting on a phone call right now anyway, so, no worries.

[Coppervale Studio]

Got it. Give me a few minutes to work on it, Jim.

[CutterMike]

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"--Aleister Crowley
(...)

Just to derail for a moment -- i see this credited to Crowley a LOT. I've also seen an "extended" version of the saying: "An thou harm no other, do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."

I'm no expert on the various flavors of paganism -- is it simply the case that most people leave off the modifying preface, or was Crowley generally in the habit of omitting the modifier, or was that a later accretion after some people professing to being "followers" of Crowley took the dictum too literally?

Just curiosity, really.

[JTPencils]

OK, I may have this email issue straightened out for now. The writer say's that he was using my own words that he found at Olney's Sequential Soul site. I can't imagine someone being SO touchy about one comment, that he'd go sloughing around the 'net trying to find anything I may have written or said here.

To me, it goes beyond "injured" feelings into creepy stalker territory.

[Danny Donovan]

OK, I may have this email issue straightened out for now. The writer say's that he was using my own words that he found at Olney's Sequential Soul site. I can't imagine someone being SO touchy about one comment, that he'd go sloughing around the 'net trying to find anything I may have written or said here.

To me, it goes beyond "injured" feelings into creepy stalker territory.

feh. that sounds like a baldy alright.

bald teachers are weird. :p

also they might be communists. Otherwise why would they wanna look so much like Lennin?

http://www.workingtonreds.co.uk/forum/uploads/avatars/20080125_125416_lennin.jpg

[JTPencils]

Danny, this guy writes as if I've exposed him as Deep Throat, The leader of the KKK, and someone working within the NWO to bring about a secret shadow govt plot. It was a one shot comment, and he's acting as if I've destroyed his career, his standing in the community, and his ability to get an erection!! (not in so many words... but man, if you saw the "poor me" written all over the initial email!)

[NatGertler]

If this guy is sending you threatening messages, particularly if it's from a school computer, you should have someone from your work contact the school at the very least. Have it in their records as well as yours that you've been threatened.
Nice to know that the guy thinks that resorting to physical violence in front of the whole school won't be embarrassing to him.

[Coppervale Studio]

Danny, this guy writes as if I've exposed him as Deep Throat, The leader of the KKK, and someone working within the NWO to bring about a secret shadow govt plot. It was a one shot comment, and he's acting as if I've destroyed his career, his standing in the community, and his ability to get an erection!! (not in so many words... but man, if you saw the "poor me" written all over the initial email!)

Well, to be fair, reading Sequential Soul would damage ANYONE'S ability to get an erection.

[Charles RB]

#34808 – Matt Doc Martian asks if he can be linked to Olney’s “leg-breaking” threats

#34815 – Olney starts deleting his own posts on orcaboard

#34870 – Matt Doc says that Olney could be pursued for fraud: “All you need is any contract or work-for-hire agreement and to not have been paid. You can also get signed statements from others . All you need are the details.... amounts, dates.”; “I have a possible contact that can offer possible free legal advice.”

#34874 – Mike Zarnock says “I have been relinquished of all obligations” regarding Olney

#34938 – Melissa Reed offers to help people file suit against Olney in any way she can



A lot of things scare Olney. Gays, mexicans, Blacks, Black Gay Mexicans.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Just to derail for a moment -- i see this credited to Crowley a LOT. I've also seen an "extended" version of the saying: "An thou harm no other, do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."

I'm no expert on the various flavors of paganism -- is it simply the case that most people leave off the modifying preface, or was Crowley generally in the habit of omitting the modifier, or was that a later accretion after some people professing to being "followers" of Crowley took the dictum too literally?

Just curiosity, really.

That old saw about how 'Absolute Power corrupts absolutely' is more applicable when it come to the OTO/Caliphate, as well as various offshoots. They virtually deified him--the worst mistake anyone can make, unless they're actively trying to hobble what the words mean, and start more slavery, i.e., a religion. They copyrighted all of his works, against his wishes--he was all about tearing down barriers--revelation, and wanted everybody to play with his toys (rituals), as well as teach other to make their own. Krazy Khristian Konspiracists actually use the phrase as proof of Crowley's 'demonic' character, implying it was a philosophy saying it's alright to be a sociopath. However, all he was stating was a mantra of absolute freedom, and the responsibility that carries to not impede others in their own use of 'Will'. What the full phrase really means is we're good, and born that way--but that 'nurture' poisons us with a benighted consensus reality that weakens us, fooling us into believing we're just 'talking monkeys' or 'God's Creation'.. Nothing the Taoists or Christian Gnostics didn't say.

BTW, Lonelygirl15 people and Crazy Christians--it's CROW-ley, like the bird--not CRAW-ley, or CRAU-ley. That drives me NUTS! Read a book!

Anybody who says Crowley was a Satanist, btw, has no fucking clue what they're talking about--he was, as you correctly pointed out, a Pagan. He was neither terrible nor good, but was likely the most gifted Qabbalist of the 20th Century.

[MacQuarrie]

Jim, I saw the flow-chart earlier!

I like it! I appreciate it!

Abide by it.

Talk ABOUT the Defendant as much as you like. Talking TO him only hurts your case, wastes your time, and feeds his sick pleasures.

[MacQuarrie]

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"--Aleister Crowley

"It takes all kinds to make a world"--Proverb

"Shut the fuck up telling people to shut the fuck up--you've offered no more of a convincing argument beyond 'Do what I say--because it's my opinion that talking to Rick is bad, feeds the troll notoriety and attention and I'm tired of hearing about it.' He's gonna do the same shit whether anyone interacts with him or not ".--Jim Ritchey

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."--Sun Tzu
I'm just concerned that Danny may be damaging his case. Any lawyer will tell you to have no personal communication with someone you have a claim against. The only thing anyone who is owed money should say to Olney is "talk to my lawyer" or "have your lawyer call mine." Olney likes to twist things, and talking to him gives him raw material.

Though seriously, anyone who has a claim against Olney and hasn't filed a suit is just being foolish. Unscrewed will pay the costs. Mark Waid will pay the costs. There are lawyers and paralegals who will prepare the paperwork at no cost. All anyone needs to do is send an email. It's astonishing (and completely disheartening) to keep saying that and not have people take action.

So yeah, if you are owed money and won't take legal steps to collect, you ought to at least stop talking to the thief.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Dude - all you'd have to do to outperform Rick is convince ten people on a camping trip to talk about comics. He couldn't even manage THAT.

I think the best thing I got out of it were 8 excellent back-up stories, by my excellent friends and associates. I was able to be completely honest with them about pay--and they STILL did work, because they liked my ideas--the overall direction I want to take with a 'Punk Pulp Post-Apocalyptic' thing, set modern day, and using classic and original characters. The current plan is to make a 'Creepy' format magazine Anthology for bookstores, and search for a publisher who doesn't feel like a millstone around our necks.

[Sarah Beach]

Of course, Mr. Ritchey, the "old saw" about power and corruption gets quoted incorrectly too. Just as you did so.

The saying actually is ---

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely."

The statement is not, ironically, in absolute terms.

(Ah, all those years as a Jeopardy! nit-picker, still not gone to waste. :biggrin: )

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Of course, Mr. Ritchey, the "old saw" about power and corruption gets quoted incorrectly too. Just as you did so.

The saying actually is ---

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely."

The statement is not, ironically, in absolute terms.

(Ah, all those years as a Jeopardy! nit-picker, still not gone to waste. :biggrin: )

I've never seen or heard it with 'tends', so I would have missed that one. I'm a Jeopardy addict myself. I totally rock the online game, as well. I think I could slide by with having paraphrased it anywhere else, though--preceded with 'about'. Personally, I think human beings are shit, and 90% of those given autocracy will abuse it. See Stanford Prison Experiment. I don't 'tend' towards absolutism.
:D
Any idea who said it? Reminds me of Voltaire...

[JamesRitcheyIII]

I'm just concerned that Danny may be damaging his case. Any lawyer will tell you to have no personal communication with someone you have a claim against. The only thing anyone who is owed money should say to Olney is "talk to my lawyer" or "have your lawyer call mine." Olney likes to twist things, and talking to him gives him raw material.

Though seriously, anyone who has a claim against Olney and hasn't filed a suit is just being foolish. Unscrewed will pay the costs. Mark Waid will pay the costs. There are lawyers and paralegals who will prepare the paperwork at no cost. All anyone needs to do is send an email. It's astonishing (and completely disheartening) to keep saying that and not have people take action.

So yeah, if you are owed money and won't take legal steps to collect, you ought to at least stop talking to the thief.

The last sentence makes absolutely no logical sense to me.

My first thought, were I a jurist, would be 'frivolous lawsuit', were someone to tell me they didn't try to reach an amicable conclusion about a 'small claim'. Danny has been nothing but polite, and the exchanges have obviously done nothing but help his case, were they evidenced in court. I can see the defendant needing to shut the fuck up--but I've watched enough daytime teevee to notice that 'did you attempt to reach an amicable solution' seems to come up, like, all the fucking time.

I just really think all the dominant crap should stop--I like everybody here, but y'all get this 'bandwagon idee fixe' going, and you're like a wall of knowitall 'tops'. Try to pretend that not all rational behavior is your view of what rational behavior should be.

[MacQuarrie]

The last sentence makes absolutely no logical sense to me.

My first thought, were I a jurist, would be 'frivolous lawsuit', were someone to tell me they didn't try to reach an amicable conclusion about a 'small claim'. Danny has been nothing but polite, and the exchanges have obviously done nothing but help his case, were they evidenced in court. I can see the defendant needing to shut the fuck up--but I've watched enough daytime teevee to notice that 'did you attempt to reach an amicable solution' seems to come up, like, all the fucking time.

I just really think all the dominant crap should stop--I like everybody here, but y'all get this 'bandwagon idee fixe' going, and you're like a wall of knowitall 'tops'. Try to pretend that not all rational behavior is your view of what rational behavior should be.
Point taken.

[JKCarrier]

Any idea who said it? Reminds me of Voltaire...

Lord Acton (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/288200.html)

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Lord Acton (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/288200.html)

Thanks, man!

And..turns out I used that snippet correctly! In yo face, extremely nice editor/writer lady who I really like! :biggrin:


"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

Still woulda missed the answer for the entire quote, though...

[TomStillwell]

The last sentence makes absolutely no logical sense to me.

My first thought, were I a jurist, would be 'frivolous lawsuit', were someone to tell me they didn't try to reach an amicable conclusion about a 'small claim'. Danny has been nothing but polite, and the exchanges have obviously done nothing but help his case, were they evidenced in court. I can see the defendant needing to shut the fuck up--but I've watched enough daytime teevee to notice that 'did you attempt to reach an amicable solution' seems to come up, like, all the fucking time.

I just really think all the dominant crap should stop--I like everybody here, but y'all get this 'bandwagon idee fixe' going, and you're like a wall of knowitall 'tops'. Try to pretend that not all rational behavior is your view of what rational behavior should be.

Danny has tried to an reach amicable solution for YEARS with Olney. That can be proven quite easily. It's been done, it didn't work and it has been documented. Any lawyer worth their salt would tell Danny to stop talking to him at this point.

There is a point of saturation where a judge would ask "Why did you keep wasting your time talking to this guy when clearly he wasn't going to pay up? Why did it take you years to file a claim?" followed by "It seems to me you enjoyed the back and forth a little too much."

What does THAT look like to a judge? A frivolous lawsuit. People don't wait years to file serious small claim suits. They don't carry on protracted internet exchanges on message boards if they are serious about reclaiming debt owed.

Jim, I've spent several years of my life and thousands of dollars of my own money trying to help freelancers that seemingly are unwilling to help themselves.

They don't have time to file paperwork for a suit, paperwork that I would personally help them fill out, but they have time to waste going in circles with Olney. All the heavy lifting is done for them but it seems like it's more fun to mug for the camera here in this thread.

I'm tired, I'm frustrated. My own comic efforts have suffered because of my involvement in all of this. Even still, I'm willing to make those sacrifices to help freelancers. But when freelancers aren't even willing to help themselves even a little...it makes me wonder why I do it.

I'm sorry but at this point all I can be concerned about are the practical aspects of what needs to be done to claim the debts owed.

I get the idea that part of why this thread exists is to help people screwed over by Olney blow off steam. But if you're owed money and that's ALL you're doing...I will never understand that.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Tom, here's the thing--I understand your point of view. But my original point remains--if someone of the character of even an 'Olney' who owed me the roughly 3600+ bucks (5 of them) seemingly contritely came to me, then offered to pay me the money, I'd AT LEAST go through the motions. If my friends were telling me "Don't do it--we're exasperated at your naivete, it is not part of the agenda we have decided upon for you and everyone, and you're an idiot for even considering it!", I might not feel so much included in decisions about my life. It might bother me--I might, having severe issues with authority, bug out. I just don't see the point of the browbeating Donovan received the last few pages for the ultimate sin of thinking/acting independently--and flexibly. Lots of better, funner reasons to browbeat him.

What's the worst that can happen? The same ol' shit?

Is there a way Danny could sue and actually get the money? You might be able to talk him into that...

[dshipp17]

Sorry to hear about your experience. I don't know if this was among your first in this category of experiences, but it helps you learn how to deal with different types of people. Unfortunately for me, I've dealt with so many people in that category in such a short period of time that I'm messed up in the trust category. Hope you don't run in to many more so soon.
I hope I can still email you. I only sent you four emails regarding the upcoming Wonder Woman issues (starting about 04/23/2009). Can I still email you here at this forum? Am I being blocked from emailing you? Would it be a way to tell that you messages are being blocked in this forum by the intended recipient of your message?
:redface:

[TomStillwell]

Tom, here's the thing--I understand your point of view. But my original point remains--if someone of the character of even an 'Olney' who owed me the roughly 3600+ bucks (5 of them) seemingly contritely came to me, then offered to pay me the money, I'd AT LEAST go through the motions. If my friends were telling me "Don't do it--we're exasperated at your naivete, it is not part of the agenda we have decided upon for you and everyone, and you're an idiot for even considering it!", I might not feel so much included in decisions about my life. It might bother me--I might, having severe issues with authority, bug out. I just don't see the point of the browbeating Donovan received the last few pages for the ultimate sin of thinking/acting independently--and flexibly. Lots of better, funner reasons to browbeat him.

What's the worst that can happen? The same ol' shit?

Is there a way Danny could sue and actually get the money? You might be able to talk him into that...

Fine. I'm done. Someone else can carry the torch.

Far be it from me to push my authoritarian agenda on the masses.

[Sarah Beach]

Thanks, man!

And..turns out I used that snippet correctly! In yo face, extremely nice editor/writer lady who I really like! :biggrin:



Still woulda missed the answer for the entire quote, though...

Ah, I stand corrected! :biggrin: Although to double check this right now, I sought out a site that had the full letter -- because even quotation sites can get things slightly wrong. :wink:

[Crowley]

Here's my two cents...




If Danny wants to engage Olney best to his own advantage... He needs to file a small claim. What he's doing right now isn't constructive. Olneys playing Danny for a fool right now...

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Fine. I'm done. Someone else can carry the torch.

Far be it from me to push my authoritarian agenda on the masses.

I wasn't attempting to anger you--I was being honest with you, and sorry if the parable went 'over the top'. I was attempting to communicate with you, to see if there is a constructive way to proceed for someone owed $500. I wanted to understand why someone who quite peacefully attempted his own solution would be so chastised--and what it actually thwarts regarding your efforts. I've seen so much worse, and the whole 'Loose Lips Sink Ships' thing brings back terrible memories.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Here's my two cents...




If Danny wants to engage Olney best to his own advantage... He needs to file a small claim. What he's doing right now isn't constructive. Olneys playing Danny for a fool right now...

What's changed? How is direct dialogue not constructive? What is so different from any other exchange that it's the end of the world? Is Rick using him to get facebook friends? That's the only thing that would bug me...

When foolish men believe in the quaint, unlikely, remote possibility of 'redemption' of even the worst pieces of shit the planet has ever seen, and act on it, I don't deride them--I applaud them for being better than me.

[JKCarrier]

What's changed? How is direct dialogue not constructive?

We've had YEARS of people attempting direct dialogue with Olney. The results have been exactly zilch. Every time he makes noises about starting the process of paying up, he never follows through. It's a stall tactic. He will never pay his debts unless he is legally forced to.

[Charles RB]

In this case, I can see waiting until the seven days deadline has passed so Danny can go "hey, look, I gave him a third chance and still he does the same crap!" in court. Other than that, I'm not sure of the benefit.

-

Oh, and Pittcon ends tomorrow, so under Olney's own claim Greg Horn and Mike Kaluta should be getting paid next week if they haven't already been. This seems to be what Rich is waiting for - though I'm guessing Scott's agency is still waiting too?

[Gail Simone]

I think communicating with Olney directly is just giving Olney a boner.

BUT, I don't think it's anyone's call to make but the people involved. I don't understand why we're all telling everyone else how to handle their own business. If Danny wants to talk to a deadbeat, that's his right to do so. If people want to talk about Olney or DON'T want to talk about Olney, I really feel it's their business.

[J.R. LeMar]

I think communicating with Olney directly is just giving Olney a boner.

Thanks for that mental image, Ms. Simone.:eek:

[Charles RB]

#34997 – Wil Radcliffe says he isn’t currently suing Olney as “I'm looking at a different angle”

#34999 – Wil states he will act as a sworn affidavit for someone else's case

#35074, 35080 – Danny Donovan implies something “interesting” has happened regarding Olney, makes an allusion to prisons

#35094 – Joanne Mutch implies she’s reported Olney to the police, and that he may end up in jail for something else first

#35115 – Danny Donovan asks Olney if he got any “interesting calls today”, makes another prison allusion

#35130 – Matt Doc claims a former friend of Olney’s has turned against him after following the CBR thread

#35146, 35149 – Paul Smith criticises MacQuarrie’s email to Tricia (#34186, #34204), stating it was too aggressive (“Mac was an ass”); MacQuarrie admits “I probably should have had my note to Tricia edited and reviewed by more reasonable people before I sent it”

#35160 – MacQuarrie apologises to Tricia



Mr. Pants dropped the ball


I demand Pants be removed.

[Coppervale Studio]

I think communicating with Olney directly is just giving Olney a boner.



Have mercy on the poor schlub, Gail. The effectiveness of the Stan Lee hand puppet had to give out SOMEtime.

[Haunted Pumpkin]

It would be great to see more of the people Olney owes money to taking legal action, but just out of curiosity, how well is this enforced once a judgment is made?

If Olney loses a lawsuit, then simply continues to not pay up, what happens then? Is he in some kind of contempt of court? Is there any further action that could be taken if he still refuses to pay?

Can anyone shed some light on how this process works? I would love to see these guys recoup there losses or at least see Olney held accountable for his behavior, but does a lawsuit really have any teeth when push comes to shove?

[Haunted Pumpkin]

I think communicating with Olney directly is just giving Olney a boner.

Man, talk about getting the short end of the stick.

[TomStillwell]

I don't understand why we're all telling everyone else how to handle their own business.

Believe me, I'm not anymore. They are on their own now. I'm out.


It would be great to see more of the people Olney owes money to taking legal action, but just out of curiosity, how well is this enforced once a judgment is made?

If Olney loses a lawsuit, then simply continues to not pay up, what happens then? Is he in some kind of contempt of court? Is there any further action that could be taken if he still refuses to pay?

Can anyone shed some light on how this process works? I would love to see these guys recoup there losses or at least see Olney held accountable for his behavior, but does a lawsuit really have any teeth when push comes to shove?

The process is this: You file suit, you win a claim, he doesn't pay so you file a motion to enforce the judgment which can include a Writ of Garnishment that a judge may or may not grant. If the Writ is granted his or his wife's income can be garnished. The judge may grant your motion and he still won't pay. You can proceed further in court or you can sell the debt to a collection agency and let they collect the debt.

Scott Reed is currently going the collection agency route and it is one I recommend because of the difficulties with enforcing an out of state judgment. Let them deal with Olney. It's worth the cost.

[GCom]

Tom Stillwell is right.

I am not owed any money by Mr. Olney, but I see a lot of "talk and no action" here on this thread from other people. I've made a promise as a retailer (not to carry any of Mr. Olney's products unless his debts to creators are paid) that I will stick to, but at this point I doubt that there will be any kind of comics-related anything from Mr. Olney.

I posted upstream that too many people here are seemingly enjoying their contribution to this.. show. It's obvious by now that Mr. Olney will not pay anyone without being forced to. Scott Reed has taken the steps, and is about to get paid one way or another, much to Mr. Olney's dissatisfaction.

Too many people are trapped in Mr. Olney's cycle of promise-wait-reneg, and it keeps on happening. All that's going on is he's getting attention, a laugh at your misery, and people here are still contributing to it, after years.

After a point, I would say "If you want to do something about it, do it or shut up." Otherwise, nothing is accomplished. If you let it go on, you lose the right to complain. Tom Stillwell has people at the ready to do the work, all the wronged people here have to do is step forward and do what should be done. Yes, it will be uncomfortable and possibly time-consuming, but it will end (and badly for Mr. Olney).

Once again, I'm sorry for coming off with venom here, but it IS frustrating to me. Why HAVEN'T some of you taken the legal route? It's right there for you, waiting. Until he got frustrated (and I bet he would STILL help you) Tom Stillwell cleared the path, all people have to do is take the steps.

I'm in the retail end of this industry. I love comics. I support several people with my efforts, and I hate seeing the dishonest people get away with anything in this industry. I'm certain others feel the same. That leads me to the question of "What are YOU getting out of NOT taking Mr. Olney to court?"

If after several years of this, you keep talking about your problem with Mr. Olney owing you money, but you haven't taken the opportunity in front of you... then you are enjoying the situation I would assume. If you are, I don't see why you have a right to come here and cry. Scott Reed and Tom Stillwell did what needed done, and have made it easy for others. If you are standing there, talking about how Mr. Olney has once again not paid you after he made promises, for the who-knows-how-many-times, you really may have earned it.

Pardon me being blunt here, but "Get off your butt and get to work."



With Tolerance For Both Sides...

GCom

[THEDOC]

Of those who got judgments against RO in court but have not received funds yet, what is their next step. Maybe others who have seen the outcome of these cases as "yes, they won but still no money", may just think it's fruitless and may not to want to waste their's, Unscrewed's or Mark Waid's money..
Even the collection agency of Scott's most likely hasn't received anything
Again differing opinions is good but anger toward each other will give RO the illusion he has put a divide in the group and also takes the focus of what this thread is about.

[Charles RB]

Believe me, I'm not anymore. They are on their own now. I'm out.


Wait, you're actually stepping down?



Even the collection agency of Scott's most likely hasn't received anything

My understanding is that if you don't pay up to the agency, they can bring legal horrors down on your head. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but they could target his assets - and he has to have some, he's got the Internet from somewhere and he's got some comics still.

[Crowley]

Wait, you're actually stepping down?



My understanding is that if you don't pay up to the agency, they can bring legal horrors down on your head. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but they could target his assets - and he has to have some, he's got the Internet from somewhere and he's got some comics still.

I'm not sure whether Tom means to say he's stepping down in this thread or if thre is another meaning to it. I will say that Tom has stepped up and shoulder a shitload of responsibility.

Danny,

In spite of your PM... I must say that what you're doing is redundant... all you're doing is feeding Rick's ego. If you really want to make a dent then it's time to put the big boy pants on and take Rick to small claims court.

[Coppervale Studio]

I must say that what you're doing is redundant... all you're doing is feeding Rick's ego. If you really want to make a dent then it's time to put the big boy pants on and take Rick to small claims court.

I agree. Rick hasn't earned any right to further discourse, and no one believes he'll do anything other than try to play you. Sue him.

[THEDOC]

My understanding is that if you don't pay up to the agency, they can bring legal horrors down on your head. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but they could target his assets - and he has to have some, he's got the Internet from somewhere and he's got some comics still.

Though I don't believe him, but didn't he give his son his collection? Is the home they live in theirs? They have a car I assume. I don't think they have much, maybe to pay one of the debts off.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I believe Rick got scared once Tom or someone said that a collection agency can take whats of value and it was Rick's comic book collection. So he started to make sure to post it and say it ...that his son has it as a gift. I don't believe that though.

[Charles RB]

Though I don't believe him, but didn't he give his son his collection? Is the home they live in theirs? They have a car I assume. I don't think they have much, maybe to pay one of the debts off.

I don't think he gave the whole collection away (and it could've been a lie to stop people looking into it), and if the computer & net he's using are from home then that's an asset. Furniture, TV etc might count as assets. Any sort of income can be garnished AFAIK.

[J.R. LeMar]

I agree. Rick hasn't earned any right to further discourse, and no one believes he'll do anything other than try to play you. Sue him.

Or ignore him. I'm not knocking Danny, or JT, for not filing claims, since I don't know the circumstances. But, @ this point, ignoring him seems like the best punishment for him, because we know he thrives on this. Like I said before, he usually @ least disappears for a few months after his latest "second chance" before he starts up again. But it was only a few days after he backed out of his PittCon appearance, where he was supposed to repay people in person, that he contacted Danny again. And from the start you know he's full of it. Asking Danny to tell him AGAIN how much he "claims" he owes him, when he knows darn well what it is. Then taunting him with "Don't have anything to hide?" in regards to this Hold Harmless agreement. Does that sound like someone who is serious about paying? And then when asked for it in 7 days he responds with "I have no idea how long it will take to be generated!"

No idea? So he contacted Danny to tell him that he would pay him as soon as Danny signs a Hold Harmless, & asked for a mailing address to send it, yet he didn't have the document ready, and has NO IDEA when it will be? Not even an estimated time? And he can't, I dunno, call his "third party" and ask him when he'll be sending the Hold Harmless to Danny? Say "Hey, Mr. Lawyer-guy" I've got the address, so when can you have your secretary type up a letter and put it in an envelope, and then put a stamp on it and give it to the mailman?"

Of course he can't. Because there is no 3rd party. There is no Hold Harmless. THERE IS NO MONEY. If he had $500 available to pay anyone, he would have used it to start to pay off his legal obligation to Scott Reed. $500 would cover his first 3 payments to the agency. This whole thing is bogus. There is no benefit of the doubt to be had. And there is not even a .00003% chance that he is sincere. So getting into another pointless online back & forth with him is absurd.

It's really time for this all to start to die down now. This thread has served it's purpose in warning the community about him. Now take away the last little bit of joy that he has: attention. Either block his emails or just save them in a folder, just in case they ever end up being needed for future legal action, without responding to him. Deny his friend requests and block him on FB. And stop reposting every new blog post he makes and commenting on them. Let him write mean things about Gail or Colleen or whomever all he wants, no one other than folks here ever read it anyway. The only thing that should ever be bumping this thread anymore are Charles' cataloging updates, or for when various ex-Olney victims have some projects to promote. Or also I guess when Rich does his follow-up on BC, but that can be discussed over there.

People can still keep an eye on him, if you see him announcing some other public appearance or project, get the word out to warn others who may not be aware of him, but there's no need for the rest of this to continue.

And, yes, I do realize that my posting this is also continuing to give him attention, so this will be my last comment in this thread.

[THEDOC]

Question: So, the suave Mr O, when putting Tightlip together didn't separate himself (or his wife) from the company, (like those idiots who wouldn't pay Colleen), any monetary issues would be against the company and not him.
Was TightLip even an actual company, I mean did he have corporation papers and an employer ID number, like IF has?

[Haunted Pumpkin]

Though I don't believe him, but didn't he give his son his collection? Is the home they live in theirs? They have a car I assume. I don't think they have much, maybe to pay one of the debts off.

Well they could take the rights to Devil-Bug and Kid Mummy. That should be worth at least 5 bucks. :-)

[Haunted Pumpkin]

After a point, I would say "If you want to do something about it, do it or shut up." Otherwise, nothing is accomplished. If you let it go on, you lose the right to complain. Tom Stillwell has people at the ready to do the work, all the wronged people here have to do is step forward and do what should be done. Yes, it will be uncomfortable and possibly time-consuming, but it will end (and badly for Mr. Olney).


I can certainly understand that and it would be great to see more people taking action. That being said though, there are a couple of other points to consider.

While all the dialog between Olney and his many victims may grow tiresome to those who have followed the situation for awhile, let's not forget that it's likely a very valuable tool to keep new artists, writers, etc. wary of him.

It's one thing to read about the matter on a website or blog, but there you get one side of the story. To actually see people engaging Olney and Olney responding with his usual cycle of promises/excuses/threats/insults/meltdowns gives newbies a first hand account that will leave no room for doubt that this guy is trouble.

Ignoring Olney and taking it all behind the scenes changes things from a first hand account to a he-said/she-said account that gives Olney a bigger chance of getting a benefit of the doubt by some new talent that catches his eye. It's one thing to read about his behavior, but it's another to see it with your own eyes (even if it is on a computer screen).

Yes this whole thing is a "show" of sorts but all things considered, it's an important one. In my opinion, the real importance of this whole show isn't the large network of people swindled by this loser. The real importance is awareness that keeps the network from getting any bigger.

[THEDOC]

Well they could take the rights to Devil-Bug and Kid Mummy. That should be worth at least 5 bucks. :-)

I doubt even those are his.

[Charles RB]

Was TightLip even an actual company, I mean did he have corporation papers and an employer ID number, like IF has?

Good question. I know it wasn't a registered company, so I doubt he did.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Believe me, I'm not anymore. They are on their own now. I'm out.

Tom, transmuting what is essentially a minor disagreement about etiquette into an unforgivable personal attack you'd 'throw up your hands' over is hardly good form. EVERYBODY knows what you've put into this--but guess what? That human blight called Olney has affected other people who may have a different perspective than you do. I think you've found the best model yet, but excluding all other possible models is rigid thinking, and not allowing people to heal the way they need to heal--even if it's 'breaking from the pack' for a minute, is truly autocratic as hell. I'd defend any single one of you against the greater whole, because I'm instinctively wired that way--and I'm hardly gonna hold my tongue if I think that 'greater whole' is wrong. I AM my brother's keeper, and there IS such a thing as a healthy infusion of anarchy. Do not confuse disagreement with disloyalty.

I do not overestimate my importance in this matter--I'm apparently just some old hack neverwas whose brilliantly conceived, but executed half-assed 'dream project' came out 3 years late because of some poseur wank, right as I was coming down with a couple of serious illnesses--and going farsighted. I doubt myself constantly--i can read my last comic one day, and say 'what a piece of shit', then two days later read the same thing and say 'that's damned close to what I was trying to do'. If the occasional friend or fan (both of them) didn't give me some form of encouragement now and again, I'd just stop moving--like Reeve in the end of 'Somewhere in Time'. I am totally fucking doomed. One of those illnesses involves 'episodes' of paralysis triggered by stress. Guess why I have to go back and fill in 's'&'a' half the time when I type? I can't feel half of my left hand, starting at my pinky. My drawing hand. Don't punish the whole for the impudence of some worthless loser like me.

You don't know frustration. Man up--no one else is more fit to lead. Just remember 'We're ALL Robin Hood'.

[THEDOC]

Gee James, an "old hack neverwas", I think you describe the subject of this thread and not you. You've done some thing he hasn't and I'm damn proud of what you've done. yours is one of those examples of rising above the crap he put you through and did what you wanted even with all those obstacles. Don't sell yourself short. I thought it was a great book and hope to see more more and maybe some collaboration down the road.
Tom's concern is admirable but people have to do what they think is right whether you agree or not, so just agree to disagree.

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Danny

just speaking as a friend, I wonder if there is anything constructive talking to Rick. I don't fault you for your nature - I just wonder if he deserves it. It's been two years, and he hasn't seemed to change a bit. Be careful.

Still, if you're reading this, do what you feel you have to. I understand trying to work something out, just be careful man. It seems to me like this is another game and empty promise. You deserve better.

JP

[Charles RB]

New blog post: (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/okay-leaving-olney-haters-behind-to.html)


Okay, leaving the Olney Haters behind to announce...

There is nothing as sweet smelling as the morning air of a cool, crisp, sunny Adirondack day!

I log this as proof he's available and online today, the last day of Pittsburgh Comicon - Olney has said (#50341) people can contact Mike Kaluta and Greg Horn tomorrow to see if they've been paid/are going to be paid. (He actually claimed in #50341 that he'll pay Kaluta before this month...)

Remember that blog post if he tries claiming unavailability.

[THEDOC]

But....but Charles, he was occupied smelling air. can 't you hear the loud sucking sound??

Maybe however it might have been this...

http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/266/gl84adams_wrightson.gif

[CutterMike]

But....but Charles, he was occupied smelling air. can 't you hear the loud sucking sound??

Maybe however it might have been this...

http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/266/gl84adams_wrightson.gif

As a big Mike "Kaloooooooooota" fan, I ALWAYS loved the siren sound effect in that story!!!

[JamesRitcheyIII]

New blog post: (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/okay-leaving-olney-haters-behind-to.html)



I log this as proof he's available and online today, the last day of Pittsburgh Comicon - Olney has said (#50341) people can contact Mike Kaluta and Greg Horn tomorrow to see if they've been paid/are going to be paid. (He actually claimed in #50341 that he'll pay Kaluta before this month...)

Remember that blog post if he tries claiming unavailability.

While art is almost never the career of choice if one wants to make a big bankroll, were Ricky to actually be able to pay someone, it would have to be those who arguably need it the least. So it would make the biggest public showing.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Don't sell yourself short. I thought it was a great book and hope to see more more and maybe some collaboration down the road.

Thanks, Doc, and cool with me on the collab thing. I've just been having anxiety attacks for 4 months--it's amazing how many things can go wrong with a comic.

[THEDOC]

Thanks, Doc, and cool with me on the collab thing. I've just been having anxiety attacks for 4 months--it's amazing how many things can go wrong with a comic.

True, it's like giving birth (sorry, don't mean to offend any ladies), but look what sprang from your efforts.
If you want some inspiration to continue look at Jay Piscopo's link on Indie-Planet:

http://www.indyplanet.com/index.php?id=2665
I'm thinking a "War of the Public Domains"

[Czarcasm]

Saw his newest blog post-where did he cut and paste this from, because it is far beyond his ability to post that much commentary without screwing it up royally.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

As I posted pages back... if ya read that blog...you can tell Rick has a serious problem with women who stand up to him and call him out. Why he decides to show people that Gail Simone is calling him out , telling em about CBR and all to reveal this thread is insane. Its like he loves the negative attention and if he can't launch his comics empire , he's gonna try and be the worst guy who never was in the industry. :tongue:

[Charles RB]

Saw his newest blog post-where did he cut and paste this from, because it is far beyond his ability to post that much commentary without screwing it up royally.

Yeah, it doesn't seem Olney-esque.

And again he proves himself to be online and available. (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/value-of-words.html)

And to be against universal health care. I'm betting this is on the "MY money going to other people?!" principle cos... well, Olney.

[THEDOC]

Yeah, it doesn't seem Olney-esque.

And again he proves himself to be online and available. (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/value-of-words.html)

And to be against universal health care. I'm betting this is on the "MY money going to other people?!" principle cos... well, Olney.

It sounds Beck-esque.
Speaking of Beck, you gotta love Shatner:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJayjQZP5Rw

[Sarah Beach]

Yeah, in that commentary he does seem to be echoing someone smarter and better at snark than he has ever shown himself.

For me, one point stood out in passing ---

From the He-Thinks-He's-A-Pundit-Now poster --
Because, after all, it is the tax paying citizen that covers all the costs of unnecessary and ineffective governing.


Excuse me, and correct me if I am mistaken, but have we not determined that NotWit has not, himself, actually PAID taxes for several years because he makes not real income? That, in fact, his only income is a government disability subsidy?

If he is so against the government giving money away pointlessly, is he willing to forego the money paid to him?

There you go, RO! Step up! Be a man! Stop taking the money that hard-working tax-paying citizens are turning into the government by the law. Prove that you actually believe the clap-trap you repeat about fewer taxes and government subsidies and expenditures! Impress us with your bold committment to cutting government costs!





Yeah, right. Didn't think so. :rolleyes: :evilsmile:

[JamesRitcheyIII]

True, it's like giving birth (sorry, don't mean to offend any ladies), but look what sprang from your efforts.
If you want some inspiration to continue look at Jay Piscopo's link on Indie-Planet:

http://www.indyplanet.com/index.php?id=2665
I'm thinking a "War of the Public Domains"

I'm pals with Jay on Facebook and Comicspace, and have seen most, if not all of his gallery posts.

How about 'Crisis of Infinite Golden Age Reboots'--? :biggrin:

[THEDOC]

I'm pals with Jay on Facebook and Comicspace, and have seen most, if not all of his gallery posts.

How about 'Crisis of Infinite Golden Age Reboots'--? :biggrin:

Yeah that would be awesome. Too bad the Dial B for Blog stopped blogging , he'd be a great writer.
Wait.........hasn't DC and Marvel been doing that title for years now?

How bout this...
http://home.insightbb.com/~GoldenYears/

[websbestcomics]

Update: I spoke with the collection agency today, and they tell me that Rick has NOT made any payment arrangements, has NOT sent any payments, and continues to avoid them by not answering calls, returning voicemails, emails or responding to letters. Olney did speak with an agent last month, but the he has since disconnected or changed that cell number. Basically, the agent told me it's a classic stall tactic, the debtor makes promises to pay just to get them off their back for a while, then they go back into hiding (which he's done again and again online). The agent also said that, even if they aren't successful in getting the money, this has hit his credit rating pretty hard.

[MacQuarrie]

Update: I spoke with the collection agency today, and they tell me that Rick has NOT made any payment arrangements, has NOT sent any payments, and continues to avoid them by not answering calls, returning voicemails, emails or responding to letters. Olney did speak with an agent last month, but the he has since disconnected or changed that cell number. Basically, the agent told me it's a classic stall tactic, the debtor makes promises to pay just to get them off their back for a while, then they go back into hiding (which he's done again and again online). The agent also said that, even if they aren't successful in getting the money, this has hit his credit rating pretty hard.

Next step is to garnish the Mrs' paycheck. Oooh, there will be stuck-pig-squealing in Herkimer when that happens.

[websbestcomics]

Next step is to garnish the Mrs' paycheck. Oooh, there will be stuck-pig-squealing in Herkimer when that happens.

Yep. Maybe some people forgot, Barbara Olney was the registered co-owner of Tightlip, it's public record at the Herkimer court house. She is legally responsible for the debts.

[Charles RB]

The agent also said that, even if they aren't successful in getting the money, this has hit his credit rating pretty hard.

Rock and fucking roll, Scott. :smile:

[Coppervale Studio]

His credit rating is going to be like his ebay rating. People will look at the number then do a doubletake and ask, "Is it really possible to get a NEGATIVE score?"

[Charles RB]

Olney's blow has three (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/they-stole-spirit-spoilers.html) new (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/green-lantern-first-flight.html) posts (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/bob-greenberger-on-being-in-paul.html)for Monday, all about normal comic stuff. No mention of Kaluta or Horn getting paid - and we're past Pittsburgh Comicon now, remember...

The second post says:


I watched GREEN LANTERN: FIRST FLIGHT and really enjoyed it! Just enough motivation to pull out some of those old DC's from the 1960s and re-read them.

So he's claiming ownership of 1960s DC comics. So he's claiming an asset.

[TomStillwell]

Update: I spoke with the collection agency today, and they tell me that Rick has NOT made any payment arrangements, has NOT sent any payments, and continues to avoid them by not answering calls, returning voicemails, emails or responding to letters. Olney did speak with an agent last month, but the he has since disconnected or changed that cell number. Basically, the agent told me it's a classic stall tactic, the debtor makes promises to pay just to get them off their back for a while, then they go back into hiding (which he's done again and again online). The agent also said that, even if they aren't successful in getting the money, this has hit his credit rating pretty hard.

Well done , Scott. This is very good news.

This is the kind of attention Rick doesn't want.

[Charles RB]

Around the 35000s, I see MacQuarrie posting about searching through posts himself (up to 2300s at this point). What's it like, Mac?


Arduous.

On with the show:

#35286 – MacQuarrie reminds us that he once made his attorney’s contact details available to Olney; reports that Olney never contacted his attorney

#35359, 35363 – Gail Simone asks Mike Zarnock if Olney ever informed him the MMC was cancelled; Mike sends her a PM answering this

#35383 – Mike Zarnock (who has been posting on CBR for a few pages now) says he enjoys the forum “and yes, I know that you all were looking out for my best interest”

Not much today, I've reached a phase where Olney actually shut up. It won't last.

Also found:



They thought they were attending a comics convention. How could they not know the horror that is....THE BLAIR-RICK Project ?!!



Followed by the sequel: THE RICKTH SENSE

"..I see debt people..."


you know who I REALLY feel sorry for? Rick's public defender. Alot of these poor guys are required to commit x amount of hours in the PD office defending the undefendable to pass their law courses.

Can you imagine the poor bastard that gets handed Rick's case and has to spend neigh on eleventy billion hours with the raving nutbar? Working for free no less!

"Your honor. My client is a certifiable loon. And I would like to say if I end up bludgeoning him with my briefcase at trial I would like it to be considered both a justifiable homicide and a mercy death."

[G-Spot]

Unfortunately, I did not get the chance to talk to Greg Horn, and I even missed GCom when he stopped by the booth, but I was running errands and stuff for Luchador, getting blank plates done for the Make-A-Wish auction (in which Luchador Ent. & the 40 or so artists who attended the Pre-Con party we hosted) helped raise $1100 with our original art plates!). But the convention was great, Olney-free ( I didn't even see his pal Dennis K.), and showed that there are a lot of talented people capable of keeping the industry alive!

Oh...and my daughters sold over 30 copies of their first comic, showing that even a 12 year old, if talented and motivated, can make and distribute comics! She was even interviewed twice, and we're looking at getting two more titles out by April's Pitt-Con!

Again, sorry I missed you GCom! I really wanted to chat with you a bit. :(

Pictures can be found on my FaceBook (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/album.php?aid=2017257&id=1367689107), and on my MySpace (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=83696167&albumId=3088325) pages.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So...Pitt-Con has passed, no payments made to anyone, and Scott hasn't even received anything yet. Paging Mr. Johnston. Mr. Rich Johnston. Follow up reporting is due at the terminal right away!

[JTPencils]

Update: I spoke with the collection agency today, and they tell me that Rick has NOT made any payment arrangements, has NOT sent any payments, and continues to avoid them by not answering calls, returning voicemails, emails or responding to letters. Olney did speak with an agent last month, but the he has since disconnected or changed that cell number. Basically, the agent told me it's a classic stall tactic, the debtor makes promises to pay just to get them off their back for a while, then they go back into hiding (which he's done again and again online). The agent also said that, even if they aren't successful in getting the money, this has hit his credit rating pretty hard.

Thanks for the update Scott. Naturally, NitWit will say that he's trying his best to keep contact with the agency, they just won't answer his calls.

Stalling... hmmmmm... that's a big surprise.

[dragonbat]

His credit rating is going to be like his ebay rating. People will look at the number then do a doubletake and ask, "Is it really possible to get a NEGATIVE score?"

I work in MasterCard customer service. Lowest Beacon score I've seen (aka FICO score) was about 400, though I've heard someone else once saw something in the 380s. I'm not sure it's possible to go lower.

Though if it is possible, I do believe he might...

[G-Spot]

Olney chicken's out of Pitt-Con, but will gladly post comments about the con on their FaceBook...

http://www.facebook.com/pittsburgh.comicon#/photo_comments.php?aid=143787&id=701215521

And can you believe he posts this...

"VERY nice shot. *AHEM*"

...for this photo...

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs212.snc1/7924_154082270521_701215521_3532669_5278341_n.jpg

You truly are a scumbag, aren't you Rick?

Add in the fact he comments that Billy Tucci has "put a little weight on" and is giving advice on "details" to a convention that has successfully put on shows and raised money for charity, for 16 years now...I just shake my head at the nerve of the biggest deadbeat, lying, racist in comics.

[Sarah Beach]

Yeah... overly familiar and chatty on FB he is. Like Scott McDaniel gives a hoot about whether he sees RO "soon elsewhere" or not. Actually, he probably does NOT want to see RO anytime soon -- seeing how he's good friends with Chuck Dixon (did you know THAT, Ricky?).

[Charles RB]

Yeah, posts like:


Billy have you put a little weight on since I saw you last? That orange shirt looks great on you, dude!


Looking sharp, Scott! Have fun! Perhaps I'll see you elsewhere soon.

are surprisingly matey for someone who doesn't know them at all.

[ComicbookJeff]

Am I crazy or does it seem like Rick is doing his best to emulate Rich Johnston now?
His writing and reviews on his blog attempt to make him look like he has inside knowledge of inner workings and he's posting "Hey ol' buddy" stuff on Facebook.

Has Rick found a new muse?
Has he created a whole new persona?

Mister "I operate a huge organization that gives away a zillion comics"
Mister "I will organize awesome comic conventions with my budget of twenty -two bucks and a slice of pizza"
Mister "Look out Stan Lee! I am going to publish comic books with nothing but my charm and good looks, and by that I mean ability to swindle the shit out of everyone in sight"
Mister "I've destroyed my reputation and became the comics boogyman so what do I do now? I know. I will stall!"

Is he reinventing himself as an online comic commentary type?

This dude is such a joke.

And speaking of Rich, I will be very disappointed if there is no follow up on this round of Rick Olney shenanigans.

[Charles RB]

Well I've filled him in on Scott and Olney's blog posting, so I assume Rich now just needs to hear from Horn or Kaluta.

[Charles RB]

Things like this make the trawling all worthwhile:


One of my favorites of that sort of thing - the "inappropriate" choice of music - is also Reagan-related although, in this case, I'm absolutely SURE that it was completely intentoinal and was an editorial comment that got past the powers that (think they) be.

It happened when Reagan made a state visit to England to swap compliments with then-P.M., Margaret Thatcher. During the visit HM Government put on a parade so that Ron and Maggie could be up in a reviewing stand waving and saluting and looking all diginified and whatever.

Now, I'm not a protocol-droid, but I'm going to guess that, in cases like this, EVERYTHING is double-triple- and fourple-checked to make sure that nothing embarassing happens. *EVERYTHING* is carefully programmed down to, and including, what music each band will be playing as they pass the reviewing stand.

Well, I'm sure that a lot of the bands played a lot of John Philip Sousa - American composer, stirring marches... let's face it, he hits all the right buttons... You can't go wrong with old J. Philip!

So (presumably) no one in the Don't-Let-Let-Anyone-Screw-This-Up Office paid any notice to the fact that ONE of the bands had chosen to be playing Sousa's "Liberty Bell March" as it passed the stand. Sousa, Liberty Bell - how much more American can you get, right?

Those who don't recognize the name might instead recognize the Liberty Bell March as the theme music to the "Monty Python's Flying Circus" TV show.

...so there are Reagan and Thatcher, oblivious, smiling and waving, with the Monty Python theme playing around them. (No giant foot came down on them, though. *sigh*)

I suspect that the parade wouldn't have gotten ANY airtime if it weren't for that clip, but that clip showed up on EVERY newscast that I caught that day.

[GCom]

Again, sorry I missed you GCom! I really wanted to chat with you a bit. :(



No worries, I just sent you a FB friend request. We'll catch up.

I was pressed for time, I'm sorry I couldn't hang around. It was a weird con for me... I made a man cry.



With Tolerance For Passing Ships...

GCom

[Charles RB]

I'm so old, I called the cops about the big bang.


#35695 – Danny Donovan says he is aware of a few people who are planning legal action against Olney but are keeping quiet about it

#35715 – Olney has not posted on his orcaboard or checked his (known) MySpace pages in a few days

#35790 – Olney’s MySpace now says he’s on vacation until July 15th; Howler reminds us Olney claimed he’d been on one to Florida just recently (#27048, #27406)

#35887 – Gail Simone receives an email from another person Olney tried to “invite-and-dash [like] he pulled with Mike [Zarnock]”; the person tells her “[Olney] was planning on having this event in Old Forge, NY and at the Water Safari water park. Old Forge in the summer is insane with tourists. He'd better had booked a venue a year in advance.”

#35920 – Olney posted “a few” times on orcaboard “yesterday” (4th July) [this clashes slightly with the “vacation” story]

#35926, 35927 – Olney’s last posts on Comic Genesis’ Noses Optional forum were on 25th July 2007 [about ten days ago]

#35943 – OzBat discovers Olney updated the MMC blog on 27th June, posting the same update six times; blog is now private, but OzBat’s post indicates it has photos of people smiling at MMC 2003 as proof they enjoyed themselves; OzBat states “attendees putting on happy faces does not automatically equate to actually having a good time”

#35951 – the blog states “I'm making this blog public and welcome questions or comments of good taste”

#35959 – Danny Donovan believes Olney “must have backdated those entries… I could have sworn I looked at the thing on the 2nd or 3rd. and no one had logged in since July” [he did, #35715]; mentions that Olney is claiming that he can’t mention people and retailers who support him because they’re afraid of Tony Isabella, notes that Olney used to claim Tony was an irrelevant has-been; points out Olney’s idea of a “camping comic convention” is a bad one as comics are made of paper and an outdoors convention could damage them



It was the centuries of inbreeding. They only heard "God Save The Queen" the rest was just "that noise the kids all listen to" It was an attempt to make the monarchy look "hip" but it just made them look more out of touch.


You shoulda seen them try and do " Gangsta Paradise " when the Queen Mum turned 100.


i don't think the sex pistols wanted to be hip. and, unless the queen pierced her nipples and wore a shirt that was put back together with safety pins ....

[Charles RB]

#35962 – Tony Isabella reports Olney is using scans of Tom Hegeman's K-a zine on his website, does not believe Olney has permission for this; says he’ll take action over it

#35966 – MacQuarrie reports Olney has “post[ed] his report on the 2003 Pittsburgh Con, in which he briefly mentions his plans for the 2004 MMC, then pretends that it was a report on his plans for that nonexistent event” [no longer available online]

#35967 – transcript of Olney’s blog post:
- Olney claims 45 people turned up “for a weekend of camping” [no evidence this actually happened], including two retailers who don’t want to be named due to fear of Tony Isabella “for fear of a "Tony Isabella Rant" against their stores or selves”; claims it was “a private MMC made up of friends, supporters, and a few people that were curious” and such a success it’ll be done next year [it wasn’t], and that photos will soon go up on a new MMC website [they didn’t]
- Olney produces photos of Tony Isabella smiling at MMC 2003 as proof he enjoyed it [photos are now gone but text makes it clear what they were]; claims “old age and health problems are taking a toll on [Tony’s] nicer qualities as a person, we think”
- Olney claims he did a massive amount of physical work at MMC 2003 to set it up; claims all guests and vendors were provided with a large, varied breakfast and a coupon for lunch that “pretty much allowed them anything” to eat or drink; blames DocAbsurd for any panels “screwed up or poorly announced”, uses Doc’s real name yet again
- Olney claims family financial problems in 2004 that stopped his con plans, as well as chest pains (but states he didn’t see a doctor); admits MMC 2005 was poorly advertised; claims his parents lost their house in 2005-06
- The blog’s comments are friends-locked, despite the claim that he “welcome[s] questions or comments”

#35969 – MacQuarrie notes that in the Pittsburgh report, “he does admit to soliciting donations for the charity auction to benefit St. Jude Children's Hospital”

#35970 – noted that it’s claimed in the report that Jim Steranko is/will be a MMC guest

#35972 – Sarah Beach notes that Olney’s claimed MMC 2003 had 400 attendees, but claims MMC 2007 only has 45

#35974 – Tom Stillwell notes Olney mentions Troy Hickman as a “confirmed” MMC guest; “Troy has donated to Unscrewed”, and believes (but can’t prove) that Troy told him Olney invited him to an MMC and he declined; believes the people on Olney’s list of “confirmed” guests should be contacted to see if they were truly asked/confirmed

#35978 – James Owen notes Olney’s claiming two retailers are too scared to be named, yet there’ll be photos of them put up

#35992 – Tony Isabella has contacted Tom Hegeman (#35962), who “is a real lawyer”, about the unauthorised scans Olney did, and will also be contacting MySpace and sending out another Olney warning



The part that got cropped is this.

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4590/bennygleal1kg4.jpg


As Ed rightfully says, that whale is ejaculating at us.

Quite why it's ejaculating at us, I have no idea.



i thought that was a "killer" whale?
not a sperm whale.


(sorry, i couldn't resist)

[Charles RB]

Paging Mr. Johnston. Mr. Rich Johnston. Follow up reporting is due at the terminal right away!

One's coming in a week or so.

[Charles RB]

Tuesday 15th Sept 2009 - and Olney proves himself to be online and active yet again! (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/most-amazing-man.html)

[G-Spot]

nah...He's not posting that stuff. That's Rick's blog administrator doing it. Rick has no idea what that guy will be posting next! Remember, he has a 'staff' of 3 or 4 people who run his daily web interests. Rick's on vacation in the Hampton's just chillin' and readying his next book that will show the world the greatness that is Rick-Writing, mailing payment checks, and planning the San Diego Mighty Mini Con Great Adventure Wondercon @ Camp Crystal Lake Comicpalooza!!!*


*San Diego Mighty Mini Con Great Adventure Wondercon @ Camp Crystal Lake Comicpalooza is TM & Copyright Rick & Babs Olney/Tightlip Entertainment/ORCA/Mohawk Valley Comic Book Club/Mighty Mini-Con/Rick's Backyard Parties/Delusional Mindwarp Tantrums Unlmtd.
All concerns regarding these endeavours are to be forward to the leaggle third party of Stephen Harris ESQ. c/o The Imaginary Worlds of Rick Olney, Utica NY.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Update: I spoke with the collection agency today, and they tell me that Rick has NOT made any payment arrangements, has NOT sent any payments, and continues to avoid them by not answering calls, returning voicemails, emails or responding to letters. Olney did speak with an agent last month, but the he has since disconnected or changed that cell number. Basically, the agent told me it's a classic stall tactic, the debtor makes promises to pay just to get them off their back for a while, then they go back into hiding (which he's done again and again online). The agent also said that, even if they aren't successful in getting the money, this has hit his credit rating pretty hard.


Yep. Maybe some people forgot, Barbara Olney was the registered co-owner of Tightlip, it's public record at the Herkimer court house. She is legally responsible for the debts.

Mind if I post this on the BleedingCool "Comics section" ? So Rick will see it. And we can go ahead and wait on Rich to jump ahead when he posts the news on it in a few weeks ? :tongue:


Thanks for the update Scott. Naturally, NitWit will say that he's trying his best to keep contact with the agency, they just won't answer his calls.

Stalling... hmmmmm... that's a big surprise.

I did love that he claimed he mailed them an offer. That was comical. He had no real defense on why he didn't pick up the phone and make an offer there. It was... I mailed them an offer....and they'll mail me one back...as a response. :tongue:


Am I crazy or does it seem like Rick is doing his best to emulate Rich Johnston now?
His writing and reviews on his blog attempt to make him look like he has inside knowledge of inner workings and he's posting "Hey ol' buddy" stuff on Facebook.

Has Rick found a new muse?
Has he created a whole new persona?

Mister "I operate a huge organization that gives away a zillion comics"
Mister "I will organize awesome comic conventions with my budget of twenty -two bucks and a slice of pizza"
Mister "Look out Stan Lee! I am going to publish comic books with nothing but my charm and good looks, and by that I mean ability to swindle the shit out of everyone in sight"
Mister "I've destroyed my reputation and became the comics boogyman so what do I do now? I know. I will stall!"

Is he reinventing himself as an online comic commentary type?

This dude is such a joke.

And speaking of Rich, I will be very disappointed if there is no follow up on this round of Rick Olney shenanigans.

Rick needs something and latching onto Rich Johnston is the best possible thing he can do. He can proclaim for now Rich is a friend a lot. Brag they are buds til Rich prints that article showing Rick Olney never lived up to what he agreed to do. Then Rick will be pissed and condemn Rich for it.

For now he's gonna try and be like him. Then FUCK HIM once he puts out that article.

[Charles RB]

Mind if I post this on the BleedingCool "Comics section" ? So Rick will see it. And we can go ahead and wait on Rich to jump ahead when he posts the news on it in a few weeks ? :tongue:

Already told Rich about it. Olney is almost certainly still reading this thread, so he'll now know this. Poor dear.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Already told Rich about it. Olney is almost certainly still reading this thread, so he'll now know this. Poor dear.

Ok....ill wait til Rich posts this. I wonder if that clock ticking is Rick worrying when Rich will stick the knife in and twist it ? TICK.....TICK.....TICK....:tongue:

[G-Spot]

I;m sure when Rich contacts Olney, there will be excuses, spinning, and whining. It rests with Rich to stick to the facts...that Olney has again lied, has again failed to follow through on his promises, has again resorted to lame excuses and cries of "hatred," and has again, shown what a lying deadbeat he is.

Anyone that rereads that BleedingCool thread can see Olney was reverting to type. For the past 10+ years it's been the same thing. It's time someone breaks the cycle, and breaks him. Take him to court! Get judgements against him! Get legal proof that he owes money. And make sure he never darkens a creators door with lies again! Use Unscrewed. Use Mark Waid. Use whatever neccesary to ensure he is put down.

Only then will he shut the hell up, because everything he has, could be taken from him.

[Charles RB]

It's time someone breaks the cycle, and breaks him. Take him to court! Get judgements against him! Get legal proof that he owes money.

Pretty much what Scott Reed has done, and Olney is still trying the same cycle. He hasn't twigged it's not going to work this time.

[G-Spot]

yeah, but the more real judgements he gets added, the more it shows a pattern. And if it can be used to help the next creator, that's a good thing.

Sure, actually getting the money will always be tough, but if everyone owed would start the ball rolling, he wouldn't have any excuses to keep using. And if there are ennough judgements, someone should be able to start wage garnishmnet, and even if Olney gets tax refunds, have them diverted. Or even best case scenario, enough judgements and failure to work it out...JAIL TIME!

But with people not doing anything for so long, he can keep making excuses, and maybe win over some new creator, at least until he winds up screwing them as well. And then it's a repeat of everything that's been going on for years.

Scott may never actually see a dime, but he has absolute proof he's owed money, and absolute proof Olney has never tried to pay it. And all Olney has is his excuses. That may not keep bread on Scott's table, but that one judgement keeps Rick from using any little credit to scam others. And enough of that will keep Rick down or put him away for a loooong time.

Do you get my meaning?

[Charles RB]

Yeah, I'm just bewildered that Olney still thinks he can get out of this by using the same cycle. Does he not realise they can fuck up his credit rating?

[websbestcomics]

Yeah, I'm just bewildered that Olney still thinks he can get out of this by using the same cycle. Does he not realise they can fuck up his credit rating?

They already have, from what I was told by the agency. Oh, wait. That's "agency", right Rick?

[Gail Simone]

I love Scott Reed!

[Coppervale Studio]

They already have, from what I was told by the agency. Oh, wait. That's "agency", right Rick?

Just remember, Scott - he was advised to let all of this happen: to NOT show up in court, to let the default judgment stand, and to allow his credit to be screwed with - because that strengthens his case for overturning EVERYTHING that's happened.

I bet you're just all a' shiver with fear and anticipation.

[Charles RB]

If he has an attorney, that attorney hates him and is trying to bring him down from the inside.

Maybe they're a former ORCA member.

[colleen]

Just remember, Scott - he was advised to let all of this happen: to NOT show up in court, to let the default judgment stand, and to allow his credit to be screwed with - because that strengthens his case for overturning EVERYTHING that's happened.

I bet you're just all a' shiver with fear and anticipation.

Maybe the rain is really to blame. So I'll remove the cause. But not the symptom.

[Charles RB]

#36008 – DocAbsurd responds to #35967: states there were less than 400 people at MMC 2003; states he only organised one panel, not all of them as Olney claim, and it was sparsely attended “cuz there weren't any paying attendees” and because Olney scheduled an ongoing RPG event around the same time; remembers six panels planned and only three taking place, which Olney scheduled; says Olney told him he got other people to set up the tables, not that he did it himself

#36010 – Sarah Beach points out flaws in Olney’s claim that he made MMC 2007 private to prevent CBR posters crashing it

#36011 – Stressfactor notes Olney’s MMC 2007 claim is that people sat around talking about comics; notes this can be done in comic shops indoors, wonders what the appeal is meant to be of doing it while camping

#36094 – Tony Isabella contacts Olney, ordering him to remove any photos of him or his son and, on behalf of and on request of Tom Hegeman, the scans from Tom’s apazine; threatens to send complaints to MySpace if the material remains up, and reserves the right to take further legal action

#36115 – Melissa Reed says Olney has a letter from the Reed’s attorney, which they have a copy of



I made a joke recently that there is probably one officer at the Herkimier PD who's only job is to serve Rick summons.

It probably isn't far off the truth.

[G-Spot]

Maybe the rain is really to blame. So I'll remove the cause. But not the symptom.

"Let's do the time warp agaaaaaaiiiinnnn!!! It's just a jump to the left! And then a step to the rii-iii-iiii-iiight!"

[Coppervale Studio]

"Let's do the time warp agaaaaaaiiiinnnn!!! It's just a jump to the left! And then a step to the rii-iii-iiii-iiight!"

Aaaannd... that'll be it - because a jump and a step are about as much exertion as he can handle.

[CoffeeStained]

If he has an attorney, that attorney hates him and is trying to bring him down from the inside.

Maybe they're a former ORCA member.Or a former comic creator. But if it's someone who hates him, that's everybody.

[colleen]

The Nolo Patent, Copyright and Trademark Blog should be bookmarked by every creator. And lookie, there's an entry tangentially related to the discussion here as it refers to NDA's.

Read ten of these posts a day, and your brain will be full of nifty stuff you never thought you would know out of law school.

http://www.patentcopyrighttrademarkblog.com/

And look, here's some podcaster who interviews cartoonists. He popped in with a question:

http://www.patentcopyrighttrademarkblog.com/2009/09/audiobookpodcast-reader-releas.html


Hope it's of help.


c

[JTPencils]

Aaaannd... that'll be it - because a jump and a step are about as much exertion as he can handle.

If that much.

[Gail Simone]

If that much.

Well, it depends if there's a slight incline.

Or if there's any actual work to be done.

He may just get someone else to do it all while he holds people hostage for hours telling them how wonderful he is.

[Charles RB]

Yet another blog post today. (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/another-most-amazing-man.html) (Unless it comes up as last night for you Yanks) Either way, he's still online and operating, no mention of paying people being made.

[Charles RB]

And I also found this horribleness in the search:


That's brilliant. May I quote that and link it on my blog?

A few years back I got burned by an old buddy who triggered EVERY SINGLE WARNING SIGN on that list with the possible exception of psychopath, which I think is a strong word for a nebbishy little nerd.

He nailed me for about $5000 and made a hash out of my life for years. He wasted my time and made numerous broken promises. He was dictatorial, omnipresent and extremely controlling, which was utterly bizarre because I did not work for this man, I simply let him sell some of my stuff at conventions and do some printing.

Next thing I know, he'd declared himself my publisher, agent and manager.

In the absence of any agreement declaring same, you can imagine my surprise.

"Never there"? I couldn't get rid of the guy. He was always popping by, always on the phone...except when some important deadline loomed. Then, not only could you not get anything done, if he had something of yours, you'd be months or even years getting it returned.

"Extremely secretive"? And how. I didn't find out what a louse the guy was until a colleague who also couldn't get paid by this guy forwarded me a huge pile of letters from him: wow. To say he led a secret life would be an understatement. In all the years I knew him I never would have guessed he was the kind of person who would write letters like that.

The ensuing mess took a couple of years from which to extricate myself, and while I never got any money, I do believe I got all of my property back, with a couple of small exceptions. I think the only reason I got anything back was he knew I'd be a hell of a lot angrier about my art than about my money.

The thing I really hate is...I knew better. I had been telling family for ages that there was something not right about the guy, and that even though I had known him for years and considered him a good buddy, he was just off. I didn't like to be touched by him, and often felt uncomfortable when he was in my home.

He could be just plain weird. On several occasions, I found him wandering into my bedroom, or poking around in my belongings, or with plumbing fixtures, while he declared he thought he should do some repairs around my place.

How utterly bizarre is it to have a house guest open your toilet and decide he needs to fix your plumbing?

Anyway, I agreed to do a convention with him some years back. While we had known each other for years, we had only been at the same shows a few times. I found out later that he told people we had been working together for many years and had done many shows together. This was a bizarre lie. We'd rarely worked together in a professional capacity. The few times we had, they were almost always unpaid favors to help out with essays or interviews. We both worked in publishing, but almost never at the same publisher.

We shared convention space a couple of times, with my mom in attendance to help out, as I have often shared booth space with friends and family. I did not understand why he was misrepresenting us as having a close professional association. It simply wasn't true. We were buddies who often had coffee, but who rarely did business.

He had persistent money problems, and I thought I could help him (and me) out by letting him sell my things at conventions and do my mail order. What could be better? He'd make a percentage of my sales, and I wouldn't have to go to shows or handle the mail order anymore, solving my scheduling problem and putting some cash in a buddy's pocket.

He used my book racks and display items for the show, and had tons of my stuff to sell, as well as items he was going to sell for other artists. However, I was a guest of the show and he was not, so the space I was using was mine.

Well would you believe he wouldn't let me handle my own money? I mean, he wouldn't let me touch it. In fact, when I reached for the cash box to make change, the sonofabitch HIT me. I shit you not! I was in utter shock to have my arm slapped by this guy while reaching for my own cash box and my own money!

He later claimed he was stressed and had just had a bad argument with his brother, but he never actually apologized for his behavior. I should have walked right then, but didn't. I just couldn't believe this guy I had known for years was a bad'un.

Things got even weirder over the next few months, and while I should have run this loser out on a rail, I bought every excuse.

However, the next time I went to a show (which I knew would be my last anywhere near this guy), I took my brother the cop as a sidekick. As you may imagine, the short, dumpy little woman slapping huckster was all politeness when standing next to my brother. There were no problems that weekend.

Unfortunately, I never got my money from that convention sale, from any of the mail order, and he held onto most of my art for over a year before he finally forked it over.

I am embarrassed to say I didn't pursue the money, because I knew he didn't have it. I should have sued him anyway to make sure the judgments were on his credit report.

I know he had bought a lot of items at that same convention where he gave me a slap, and then canceled the checks on the dealer from whom he had bought them. That's right, the guy who could not pay me the thousands of dollars he owed me bought $4,500 worth of autographed Lord of The Rings film posters instead of paying his bills to me. Then he canceled the checks on the posters. I kid you not. I didn't find this out until MONTHS later.

I don't know why I didn't cut bait years before, because I saw all the signs and commented frequently on his bad business practices, abominable money skills, bragging, and get rich quick schemes. He had money to give showy gifts, but often no money to pay his bills.

The other day I found an old note to loan the guy $100 that was dated 1994.

Toward the end, he borrowed money from me and then bought my own art with it at convention art shows, which I didn't find out about until I got the bid sheets returned to me. How weird is that? Take an artist's money, then buy their own art with it?


Weirder still, he claimed he had arranged a major exhibit for myself and other artists at an LA gallery. I even printed ads for the exhibit.

Yet two weeks before the show, he claimed it had been canceled in a terrible misunderstanding (fortunately, before we all got on planes to attend it). When I finally got to speak to the gallery, turns out there had NEVER been any contract or arrangement of any kind. He had TALKED to the gallery, but he had no right to claim there was EVER a show!

Eventually, he managed to pay off some of the other artists to whom he owed money (it took him years to raise the dough), but I remain unpaid.

He also paid the convention dealer near-treble damages after canceling checks on her because her lawyer was threatening criminal prosecution: I realized that was why he was suddenly short of cash again after claiming to have enough money to buy $4,500 worth of posters while borrowing lots of money and not paying me for my convention sales.

He had frequently borrowed money in the past but ALWAYS paid it back. I never doubted him before on that score. Oh, well. I guess my luck ran out.

It wasn't until I began to confront him about his behavior, and the broken promises, that the money stopped cold and I haven't seen a dime since.

To make matters weirder, the year after I cut him off completely, I was attending a convention in California, and the staff approached me about a problem: this guy was claiming to be an associate of mine and wanted to have my booth moved from the far side of the room over next to his. Yep, it was this goober I had dumped the year before. The staff also let me know that in the previous shows, he had contacted them claiming he was my agent, and that I would not attend the convention unless he was also a guest, all expenses paid.

As far as I know, he hasn't nailed or suckered anyone since (I'm not really keeping track, it's been awhile), and the other artists I know did get paid all or most of what he owed eventually.

Not one of them was paid within a YEAR of the due date of the invoice, and none were paid a dime in interest or late fees. Calculate the compound interest on thousands of dollars over five years to see just how badly the artists got screwed anyway. Creators complained promises were not kept and that merchandise and other items were not returned or forwarded within a year of due date.

His pattern is to treat a few people very well for a time. There are gifts, dinners, trips to amusement parks. Then when he gets into trouble, he starts looking for some other artist to "represent" to bring in quick cash. It's like artists are some kind of pyramid scheme with this guy. I am sure he'll be a bottom feeder forever.

Fortunately, he's not in comics, so I am keeping the details on a need-to-know basis. Like I said, he did eventually pay some people.

He considers himself the injured party in this because I wounded him so badly with my cruel deletion of him from my life, and not being more understanding of his need to hold onto my money. A real friend wouldn't ask for money back, I am given to understand.

He also thinks he is entitled to the money, since he was such a big "help" to my career.

What an ass.


c

[Charles RB]

#36202 – Gail receives an email from someone who almost signed a contract with Olney, but found the CBR thread and turned him down; this is the third such letter she’s had in a week

#36208 – Howler notes orcaboard member GreenLantern1999 is listed as being on a “leave of absence” from the board

#36213 – GreenLantern1999 is surprised he’s noted as being on a leave of absence, as he left ORCA “a couple of weeks ago”

#36227 – the Mohawk Valley Comic Network (MVCN) appears to be dead

#36229 – GreenLantern1999 has been banned from orcaboard; he says Olney told him he would be banned after leaving, “Protocol and all I believe”

#36230 – Joshua Pantalleresco wonders how that’s supposed to help message board growth

#36276 – Danny Donovan notes Olney’s been silent for three days; “Oooooh I wonder if he got the ominous phone call?”




There is no such thing as "too kinky".

OK... well... maybe midget lesbian nuns with dreadlocks is a bit too much... but other then that...


I was walking through Amsterdam last Sunday, and a kid pointed at me and yelled: George Clooney! George Clooney!

:D


Sorry Pip, it wasn't the shock of grey hair that did that... the kid saw your Batman shirt (complete with nipples), and couldn't help himself.

[Charles RB]

And another blog post today. (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/charlie-gibson-on-acorn-scandal-ai.html) Still no mention of paying people.

[Charles RB]

#36402 – GreenLantern1999 says “when I quit Orca… [Olney] said I lacked spine, because I was believing the lies. He even introduced me to the Unscrewed site”

#36404, 36405 – confusion over why Olney directs people to Unscrewed, which has documented evidence of his actions



You couldn't write a story like this. It's just too insane. If I were reading this cold I would think it is a really bad joke that has run for far too long.

There's no way I could imagine a person like Rick Olney ever existing.

[Charles RB]

And here we go again (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/quesada-rocks-and-haters-you-suck.html)


Quesada Rocks! And Haters... YOU SUCK!

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid271557392?bctid=40327176001

Yeah, the Rick Olney and ORCA haters can suck it! ORCA was featured in Marvel Vision back in its heyday and the very hard work that went into Marvel Vision being created 'in-house' gave rise to how Marvel conducts itself today.

No this post isn't about me or ORCA...it's about how special Marvel is! May it always be as special.


Posted by Sequential Soul at 9:23 AM
Labels: Marvel Comics, Organized Readers of Comics Association, Sequential Soul

(emphasis mine)

Still no mention of paying people.

The video is a walkthrough of the Marvel offices and has nothing to do with Marvel Vision (or ORCA). But those offices sure look cool!

[Sarah Beach]

He's at that demented all-over-the-map stage again, throwing out everything in a disconnected fashion -- all to distract from the straight-up legal situation about his debts.

Regarding the first post (of today): I adore Charlie Gibson and have for years -- but cripes, the man is the senior anchor / reporter / editor for ABC World News, and I see no reason to expect him to be up on every single possible scandal attached to ACORN. (It's not that big a story in the over-all picture of life on the planet today.) Grow a brain, Olney.

As for the Marvel video -- See, I've come to the conclusion that any Marvel information or news will be something that he will tie back to ORCA and (most importantly) himself, even if the information/news has nothing to do with interactions with fans and readers. Because It. Is. All. About. The. Olney.

Demented in the worst way.

[bluecove]

Regarding the first post (of today): I adore Charlie Gibson and have for years -- but cripes, the man is the senior anchor / reporter / editor for ABC World News, and I see no reason to expect him to be up on every single possible scandal attached to ACORN. (It's not that big a story in the over-all picture of life on the planet today.) Grow a brain, Olney.

Not trying to defend Olney, but he could have gotten this from any number of web sites, because a lot of people are talking about it. ACORN has been accused of election fraud in 14 states. Undercover tapes from four different cities show ACORN members giving advice on setting up a whorehouse supposedly featuring 13-year-old girls. The 2010 census has disconnected from them completely. The Senate voted 83-7 to cut off their access to federal HUD funding. There are calls in Congress for a full investigation of all this. And Gibson didn't know anything about it? How is that possible?

OTOH, as you said, Olney is throwing everything and anything at the screen trying to show he is just a "normal" guy who loves comics, with nothing to hide. Heh. For him, pointing the finger at an organization which seems to be breaking the law and cheating taxpayers is the ultimate irony.

[Sarah Beach]

bluecove -- I admit that I did not follow Olney's link to the actual context of what Gibson said, but it seemed to me that it was specifically about one particular matter involving ACORN.

I'm pretty sure Gibson is aware of the general matter of ACORN's noteriety.

Edit to add: I've now gone and checked the link - and yes, Gibson's comments were specific to the "entrapment visits video". And I can understand perfectly why he wasn't aware of it. In his position, he's dealing with the stories that have actually been through the investigation and vetting process. That is -- has the video been reviewed? Has the unedited footage been reviewed, to see if the presenters have a bias? As supporting evidence of the woman's culpability been found? He is not the investigator himself, and there are producers who decide when the investigative reporter has verified enough to put it on the national news front, at least at Gibson's level.

"Why aren't the news services carrying this?" Well, because they actually have high standards for verification, that the blogosphere doesn't bother with. That would be why.

Just sayin'.

[Coppervale Studio]

Nothing he posts is worth following, or commenting on - because it's all about trying to create smoke and mirrors. He just wants something out there that isn't about how he's lied AGAIN about paying anyone he owes.

[bluecove]

Edit to add: I've now gone and checked the link - and yes, Gibson's comments were specific to the "entrapment visits video". And I can understand perfectly why he wasn't aware of it. In his position, he's dealing with the stories that have actually been through the investigation and vetting process. That is -- has the video been reviewed? Has the unedited footage been reviewed, to see if the presenters have a bias? As supporting evidence of the woman's culpability been found? He is not the investigator himself, and there are producers who decide when the investigative reporter has verified enough to put it on the national news front, at least at Gibson's level.

"Why aren't the news services carrying this?" Well, because they actually have high standards for verification, that the blogosphere doesn't bother with. That would be why.

Just sayin'.

I don't want to argue with you about this (or anything else, actually). Since you asked the questions, though...

The video isn't edited. Employees of four different ACORN offices can clearly be seen and heard offering tips to the "pimp and prostitute" on how to cheat the IRS and the banks. When told that the "business" involves underage prostitutes, no one bats an eye.

It isn't just the blogosphere reporting. Fox News has been reporting on this for days. They aren't the source of the tapes -- they're just letting everyone see and hear for themselves exactly what went on. So far, ACORN has fired four people.

The story is out there, and it's a rather big deal because these people receive millions of our tax dollars. You're right that Gibson is probably too high on the food chain to report on this directly, but not to have heard about it from anyone? When even members of the Senate knew about it?

My point was simply that, in this one case, Olney was posting about a legitimate news story. Probably the first "legitimate" thing he's done in many moons. :wink:

[Gail Simone]

Nothing he posts is worth following, or commenting on - because it's all about trying to create smoke and mirrors. He just wants something out there that isn't about how he's lied AGAIN about paying anyone he owes.

But...but...a fan club was mentioned in a Marvel ad comic!

Surely that means he's a huge star in comics, right?

Of course, untold thousands of fans have been named in comics letters pages and Bullpen Bulletins and such.

B.F.D. I can't believe he thinks a mention in Marvel Vision (who even remembers that thing?) decades ago somehow vindicates his constant deadbeatism and broken promises, even to the people IN that same club.

What a tool.

[bert]

Maybe the rain is really to blame. So I'll remove the cause..

but what about Bart and Marge and Homer????


But not the Simpsons!

OH ROCKY!

[JTPencils]

Well, it depends if there's a slight incline.

Or if there's any actual work to be done.

He may just get someone else to do it all while he holds people hostage for hours telling them how wonderful he is.

Sadly Gail, I know what you mean. You may have forgotten, but I was also an "Olney guest"... Good thing I had set up my own room and cash for my meals. If I were to depend on that slug, I would have been joining the Herkimer Homeless at a shelter somewhere, and eating gruel.

[Charles RB]

In his position, he's dealing with the stories that have actually been through the investigation and vetting process. That is -- has the video been reviewed? Has the unedited footage been reviewed, to see if the presenters have a bias? As supporting evidence of the woman's culpability been found?

Not to my knowledge on any counts - but the San Bernadino video, evidence has been found disproving a big chunk of it.

EDIT: Three (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/it-iaas-not-just-acorn-seiu-underage.html) more (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/be-strong-and-of-good-courage.html) blog (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/addthis-sharing-httpwwwwashingtonexamin.html) posts, no mention of paying people. You think this is enough by now to show he was available if he claims otherwise?

[Charles RB]

Though I will note he deleted the last blog post. Weird.

[Sarah Beach]

Well, the NotWit is proving that he can't of his own steam post anything worth reading. He can only borrow from others.

And the only thing I'm interested in reading about him is whether or not he has paid anyone. Or to cheer on actions against him.




Well, okay, I do enjoy ripping to shreds his own attempts at prose passages.

[Cam63]

It is kinda like hoping a turd will turn into gold, Bondi.

[colleen]

Holy cow, they're like zombies! You can't kill 'em!

Fraudster Ross Rojek is out of federal prison and publishing a book review newspaper! I kid you not!!!

http://adistantsoil.com/2009/09/16/the-return-of-ross-rojek/

[Cam63]

Will a well aimed boomerang take him out ?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I had actually forgotten this tale. A story of something that happened to me 7-8 years ago . I usually try and forget assholes who cheat me outta money. Because it will stay with you and hurt you if ya let it. So I try and move ahead after the pain and anger asap.

At the time I had only been workin awhile for myself. I had done work on some neighbors places and they had stopped in the road and asked me to come up and look at the driveway. I applied the sealcoating on that nice fall day (near November I believe).

So I went to get paid and the gentleman tells me his wife does the checking and she'll be gone for 2-3 more days. I'm like...why not tell me this before I did the work ? Anyhow he takes my name , telephone number and address down and swears ....I'll get a check by next Monday.

Next Monday arrives.... no check. I think maybe its a day late or two. No worry. By Wednesday ...still no check. I decide to call them and get no answer the 2 times I try it. I even leave a message. By that next week I decide to go down there and see them out.

"I just mailed you a check today ! Its in the mail !" she exclaims.

Her husband backs her up and details how they mailed me a check that day. This is going on 2-3 weeks now. I go on to work where I was supposed to go. And still...as you guessed it ...no check.

By now I know ive been fucked sideways. Its been nearly a month I believe and I know the whole "Check in the mail" routine cost me time , materials and energy.

So I pick a day and drive in and catch them out. I tell them I would like to get paid. For ya know... doing the work and all. And like Rick Olney today , this line of crazy twisted bullshit logic came out.

"Well I been switching banks and they done messed it all up for a month. I switched to this other bank and thats why I couldn't cut you a check. Now they expect my account to be ready to start sending checks thru Friday. Thats the day I will mail you the check."

Of course this made him nearly wanna shit his pants.

"I tell ya what...you go ahead and cut me a check , post date til Friday....and ill run it thru that day or Saturday. Everyone wins...I save you spending even more on a stamp and enevlope."

He stammered , then started telling me how he couldn't trust some contractor he just met ya know. I may try and cash it early and kill his bank account and credit. And that if I was a good young man , I'd go home and wait by my mailbox.

I finally shrugged my shoulders and shook my head. I started to my pickup and stopped and turned and said this.

"Its ok , you don't have to worry about me coming back. If you think cheating me will help your life go ahead. But it will always come back on you. The wrong ya do to someone. I worked and lost here....good luck."

It stayed on my mind awhile. A real long while....months I believe. I'd drive by and see em using my driveway and think of all the bullshit they told to not pay me. It slowly faded and I no longer cared at that point. They weren't the 1st or last deadbeats I did work for.

[OzBat!]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

Now he's quoting the BIBLE!


Wednesday, September 16, 2009
Be strong and of a good courage,
Be strong and of a good courage,
fear not, nor be afraid of them;
for the Lord thy God, he it is
that doth go with thee; he will
not fail thee. ~ Deuteronomy 31;6
If political babble doesn't distract all the haterers from his lies, lets try Scripture! yeah! THAT'll work! Bwahhhh-ahahahahahaaaaa!

Here's a couple that might be a bit more appropriate, Mr weasel:

Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one. ~ Matthew 5:37

"God has no pleasure in fools; fulfill your vow. It is better not to vow than to make a vow and not fulfill it. Do not let your mouth lead you into sin." ~ Ecclesiastes 5:4

[Gail Simone]

Rick doesn't truly believe in anything except that people will believe his bullshit if he spins it long enough.

[dragonbat]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

Now he's quoting the BIBLE!


If political babble doesn't distract all the haterers from his lies, lets try Scripture! yeah! THAT'll work! Bwahhhh-ahahahahahaaaaa!

Here's a couple that might be a bit more appropriate, Mr weasel:

Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one. ~ Matthew 5:37

"God has no pleasure in fools; fulfill your vow. It is better not to vow than to make a vow and not fulfill it. Do not let your mouth lead you into sin." ~ Ecclesiastes 5:4

Not to mention Leviticus 19:13

"Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning."

and Deuteronomy 24:15

"At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go down upon it; for he is poor, and setteth his heart upon it: lest he cry against thee unto the LORD, and it be sin unto thee."

[Charles RB]

Holy cow, they're like zombies! You can't kill 'em!

Fraudster Ross Rojek is out of federal prison and publishing a book review newspaper! I kid you not!!!

http://adistantsoil.com/2009/09/16/the-return-of-ross-rojek/

Oh piss up a rope.


Just got an email from a sensible person who wants to know if Rojek will be channeling some of his profits into paying people he ripped off.

Probably around the same time Luthor starts wearing Super-logo undies.

[THEDOC]

Oh piss up a rope.



Probably around the same time Luthor starts wearing Super-logo undies.

Now do you know he doesn't.

For those who don't know about this or have oldtimers like myself...

http://www.tcj.com/261/n_rojek.html

[THEDOC]

I had actually forgotten this tale. A story of something that happened to me 7-8 years ago . I usually try and forget assholes who cheat me outta money. Because it will stay with you and hurt you if ya let it. So I try and move ahead after the pain and anger asap.

At the time I had only been workin awhile for myself. I had done work on some neighbors places and they had stopped in the road and asked me to come up and look at the driveway. I applied the sealcoating on that nice fall day (near November I believe).

So I went to get paid and the gentleman tells me his wife does the checking and she'll be gone for 2-3 more days. I'm like...why not tell me this before I did the work ? Anyhow he takes my name , telephone number and address down and swears ....I'll get a check by next Monday.

Next Monday arrives.... no check. I think maybe its a day late or two. No worry. By Wednesday ...still no check. I decide to call them and get no answer the 2 times I try it. I even leave a message. By that next week I decide to go down there and see them out.

"I just mailed you a check today ! Its in the mail !" she exclaims.

Her husband backs her up and details how they mailed me a check that day. This is going on 2-3 weeks now. I go on to work where I was supposed to go. And still...as you guessed it ...no check.

By now I know ive been fucked sideways. Its been nearly a month I believe and I know the whole "Check in the mail" routine cost me time , materials and energy.

So I pick a day and drive in and catch them out. I tell them I would like to get paid. For ya know... doing the work and all. And like Rick Olney today , this line of crazy twisted bullshit logic came out.

"Well I been switching banks and they done messed it all up for a month. I switched to this other bank and thats why I couldn't cut you a check. Now they expect my account to be ready to start sending checks thru Friday. Thats the day I will mail you the check."

Of course this made him nearly wanna shit his pants.

"I tell ya what...you go ahead and cut me a check , post date til Friday....and ill run it thru that day or Saturday. Everyone wins...I save you spending even more on a stamp and enevlope."

He stammered , then started telling me how he couldn't trust some contractor he just met ya know. I may try and cash it early and kill his bank account and credit. And that if I was a good young man , I'd go home and wait by my mailbox.

I finally shrugged my shoulders and shook my head. I started to my pickup and stopped and turned and said this.

"Its ok , you don't have to worry about me coming back. If you think cheating me will help your life go ahead. But it will always come back on you. The wrong ya do to someone. I worked and lost here....good luck."

It stayed on my mind awhile. A real long while....months I believe. I'd drive by and see em using my driveway and think of all the bullshit they told to not pay me. It slowly faded and I no longer cared at that point. They weren't the 1st or last deadbeats I did work for.

Hmm, sound like a couple of comic shop owners I worked for.

[Typo Lad]

Not to mention Leviticus 19:13

"Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning."

and Deuteronomy 24:15

"At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go down upon it; for he is poor, and setteth his heart upon it: lest he cry against thee unto the LORD, and it be sin unto thee."

Those are some good ones.

There's also gatherings of lewdness, bearing false witness, etc.

Cheating in Business is supposed to be one of the few sins that keeps one from spiritual fulfillment. It's considered worse than breaking the Sabbath.

[Charles RB]

Now it's possible Rojek's been genuinely rehabilitated, and won't do anything like that again. It's possible.

Though I'd then expect him to apologise to people he's defrauded and maybe compensate some people. Fingers crossed...



Cheating in Business is supposed to be one of the few sins that keeps one from spiritual fulfillment. It's considered worse than breaking the Sabbath.

Madoff better really hope Richard Dawkin's is right...

[Typo Lad]

Madoff better really hope Richard Dawkin's is right...

Madoff. ugh. Don't get me started.

Wait, too late.

My Rav, who never, ever gives political sermons, gave a whopper of one about how the tragedy of Madoff is that now the economic downturn has a face, and it's a Jewish one.

And we see what a "good" Jew he was. Massive fraud, while painting himself as a huge philanthropist. Hundreds of non-profits invested with him because of that rep and now lost their shirts. There are school that are going to have to shut down because of that man. Then on top of it, we learn he was more than "just" a fiscal cheat. He also cheated on his wife, his own partner in crime.

This man's actions are a direct refutation of his covenant with G-d.

[Charles RB]

And we see what a "good" Jew he was.

It's extra depressing to know he used that rep to draw in extra suckers from non-profits.

By contrast, our face of the recession - Sir Fred Goodwin - is a bit feeble looking, since he didn't actually break the law. (But he did happily collect a whopping big bonus after Royal Bank of Scotland needed a government bailout and showed no guilt or concern for how this looked. I suppose we should be glad he didn't drive past a JobCentre in a limo reeeeeaaaaaaally slowwwwwwly while drinking champagne.)

[Typo Lad]

It's extra depressing to know he used that rep to draw in extra suckers from non-profits.

The dude scammed Eli Weitzel. What kind of douche do you have to be to scam Eli Weitzel?

[Charles RB]

Thanks to this job, I now know there are characters called the Dung Beetle, the Human Poop, and Captain Dingleberry.

No (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=5115760&postcount=36714), really (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=5116494&postcount=36716).


Wicky will try to steal the idea, and call it "Excrement Freedom"!


Feces Squad?


"Legion of Pooper-Heroes"?
"The Fantastic Fart"?
"League of Excretatory Gentlemen"?
"The Thunderbutts"?
"Agent of S.H.I.T.T. (Supreme Headquarters: International Terrorism Termination)"?
"The Offenders"?
"The 'Depends'-ers"?
"The All-Winners Squat"?

Appearing in:
"Tales of the Poopy"?
"Tales of Assgard"?
"Asstro City"?
"Fifty-Poo"?
"Outhouse of Mystery"?
"Plop!"? (Olay - I'll admit that I didn't make that one up!)

[Charles RB]

#36513, 36518 – several comic news sites “want to mock” Olney’s MMC blog; they’re directed to it

#36599 – a new poster named Mike claims to live “10-15 minutes” from Herkimer, says he was unaware of MMC 2003 and saw no advertising for it anywhere:
- Mike says he volunteered to help with MMC 2006, and received “a very nasty e-mail attacking me for also posting favorable comments about Jeff [Watkin]'s Syracuse show”
- says Olney later asked him to “spearhead one of four 'departments' for his next convention, participate in a 'profit sharing' group (i.e. give him money with no hope of seeing it again), and, of course, sign an NDA...all for a convention that he was planning for out of state! Utica, he had been told by some firm that he had hired, was unable to sustain a convention.”

#36600 – CutterMike asks which state Olney claimed the con would be at, believes Olney wanted to move state due to a need “to find venues and suppliers that he hadn't ripped off”

#36604 – DocAbsurd remembers Olney claiming “he 'hired' a firm that specializes in convention planning” in 2005 or 2006; Olney claimed the firm advised him to move to Syracuse; never heard about him planning an out-of-state con, believes Olney “was spinning the excuses to customize according to whom he was talking”

#36684 – Olney has now been silent for two weeks, and a new member joins orcaboard





yea, come on guys. let's be tough. be macho. ggrr!!!!

all together now, it's a sing-a-long:

macho macho man. i've got to be a macho man.

no, i haven't finished my coffee yet.


So, are you gonna dress up as the indian or the cop?


Psssst.... ask her to dress like the Indian.... The Indian doesn't wear a top. ;)


Actually, I think the Indian is a top.

---Helpful Hater Larry


Bottomed out on that reply.....

[Charles RB]

Another post, this time actually mentioning this whole mess. (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/memorable-quotes.html) AND claiming he's sending Rich Johnston "some payment news".


Memorable Quotes

"...Gail, I'm not in a blood feud with you. I simply won't let you try to play holier-than-thou-because-I-am-a-writer games with me. When you're right, I'll back you up. When you're wrong, I won't, and to hell with your little bunch of sycophants. It's that goddamn simple, and something I refuse to back down on."

Which is something I fully believe sticks in your craw." ~ As said by BleedingCool the message board personality, _OM_.



The remark was brought on by Gail Simone's indignant and ignorant argument over whether yours truly should have been given an opening opportunity to discuss and discover all these voice in the dark claiming to be owed monies by me on BleedingCool. To which I'll add, Doesn't anyone read a CONTRACT before they sign it!? There was more colorful conjecture and swearing, but the message thread got pruned. And they are critical of me for removing things that I say off the cuff without thinking??? Feh...


"In the case of NickChumbly, the poster runs another "real" moniker which he uses to debate Olney regularly and on the record. It's a clear cut case of trolling and the individual involved admitted it was poor judgment and apologized to me privately.

If anyone feels the moderation discussion or Chumbly posts should have been left in the Olney thread, I'm open to hearing opinions on that. Though I would almost certainly have outed Chumbly as the troll moniker of a regular poster in any case, I think."




This little tidbit of fact was shared by Mark Siefert, BleedingCool Administrator & Reviewer. I had tagged "Chumbly" as being somebody within the Gail Simone YABS Sycophant Society, and I was right. At least about it being somebody with clearly too much time on their hands. And really, I don't care who it is. It was easy for these sad sorts to attack and kick a person like me when I was trying to come back from financial loss, deaths in my family, and what was momentary business failure that lagged into several years. Things ARE better, by the way...and improving each day. Changing one's disposition and direction can do that!

So what is this all about? Nothing. I merely thought that I'd email Rich Johnston on some payment news to share with those that care and stumbled over the above words while visiting BleedingCool.com. Will it ever end? Yes, shortly, and not as many think it could.

[Charles RB]

I have screencapped this entry and am about to inform Rich about it. If anyone wants to make a better screencap like the ones Matt Algren's done, feel free!

[Gail Simone]

Not to mention Leviticus 19:13

"Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning."

and Deuteronomy 24:15

"At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go down upon it; for he is poor, and setteth his heart upon it: lest he cry against thee unto the LORD, and it be sin unto thee."

heh.

See, this is why boards that don't have Dragonbat suck.

[Sarah Beach]

"Payment news"? Like what, I wonder?

"Gee, Rich. I really am a total flake. I told the representative of Scott Reed's collection agency that the payment schedule they presented was acceptible. I even told them that the first payment was in the mail the week before August 15. But I didn't really send a payment. And now I've missed the second payment deadline for them as well. Aren't I cool? I can sucker even a collection agency! Anyone who thinks they're going to get a drop of blood out of me, nevermind a single copper penny, is a hater and deluded!"

Except I expect he will sing some new (actually old) story about illnesses delaying him, unexpect family emergencies and expenditures, disasterous weather, or other things that kept him from paying the collection agency or the artists he meant to pay at PittCon (those he will have his third party contact directly next week -- if Rich could get him their contact information!).

[dragonbat]

:redface: Awww, shucks!

[Gail Simone]

I think it's hilarious how easy it still is to get him to drop his fake civility act and go straight to "Barely literate anger monkey" mode.

It's funny every time. :)

[Charles RB]

I think it's hilarious how easy it still is to get him to drop his fake civility act and go straight to "Barely literate anger monkey" mode.

It's funny every time. :)

This time nobody DID anything, he went into Goos Night mode just at the thought of you.

[Matt Algren]

New post, same old blather.

http://betterlate.wordpress.com/files/2009/09/olney-091709.png

From now on I'm going to call myself a "message board personality". In fact, I think we all should.

[Gail Simone]

This time nobody DID anything, he went into Goos Night mode just at the thought of you.

It's just his usual attempt to muddy the waters. No one reads his dumbass fanboy blog anyway,
so it doesn't make a bit of difference exept I find his desperation and neediness hysterical.

[Charles RB]

He's done another. (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/oh-my-more-on-topic-of-memorable-quotes.html)It's basically digging up Gail/OM posts to muckrake and there's a joke about how Gail has a brain defect.

Nothing about paying people.

[TheDeeMan]

Wow. It's been MONTHS since I checked this thread. It's hard to believe it's still going. I'm guessing it's the same old same old?

Dee

[Coppervale Studio]

Good ol' weak, impotent Rick.

All he can do is put up posts of copies of a messageboard thread where an anonymous internet troll said mean things about Gail - while more books written by Gail Simone were sold THIS MORNING than Rick will ever sell IN HIS LIFE.

[Gail Simone]

Good ol' weak, impotent Rick.

All he can do is put up posts of copies of a messageboard thread where an anonymous internet troll said mean things about Gail - while more books written by Gail Simone were sold THIS MORNING than Rick will ever sell IN HIS LIFE.

Two funny things...that Rick somehow thinks repeating a troll's comments is going to put even a brief crimp in my day (no such luck, Rick!), :)

and even funnier, that same poster absolutely has nothing good to say about Rick. Even the people RIck is quoting think he's a deadbeat liar!

HA! Nice quote there, genius! :)

[Gail Simone]

Good ol' weak, impotent Rick.

All he can do is put up posts of copies of a messageboard thread where an anonymous internet troll said mean things about Gail - while more books written by Gail Simone were sold THIS MORNING than Rick will ever sell IN HIS LIFE.

Yeah, here's how my day breaks down:

Work at a job I love with gifted artists I adore
Work on new project with artistic genius I can't wait to talk about
Phone call with major Hollywood producer about one of my
favorite characters ever
Phone call with video game giant about writing for one of the
most successful game franchises of all time


Here's Rick's day:

Lie
Sit in dank, joyless squalid life thinking up new excuses for
non-payment of people who trusted him
Lie some more



I'd jump off a cliff if that was my life.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

The dude scammed Eli Weitzel. What kind of douche do you have to be to scam Eli Weitzel?

You mean Elie Weisel? I'm reading his book Twilight, right now. It's great--and not a blow-dried, sparking vampire to be found.

[Gail Simone]

Wow. It's been MONTHS since I checked this thread. It's hard to believe it's still going. I'm guessing it's the same old same old?

Dee

No, it's totally different.

[Typo Lad]

You mean Elie Weisel? I'm reading his book Twilight, right now. It's great--and not a blow-dried, sparking vampire to be found.
Sorry, I was spelling it with a Yiddish accent....

[colleen]

Good ol' weak, impotent Rick.

All he can do is put up posts of copies of a messageboard thread where an anonymous internet troll said mean things about Gail - while more books written by Gail Simone were sold THIS MORNING than Rick will ever sell IN HIS LIFE.

I think I've read more books than he will ever sell in his life.

[Matt Algren]

And another, with more copy/pasting of a message board exchange.

http://betterlate.wordpress.com/files/2009/09/olney-091709a.png

Note the comment he made after the post.


Reader, don't think that these little squabbles (and worse) have not been taking place between people working in the comic book entertainment industry. In this case, Gail Simone clearly oversteps her 'value' as a person that has a following of sycophants.

Big whoop... she writes comics.

We had her here in upstate New York back in 2003. She never forgot it either. Heh, heh...
September 17, 2009 2:27 PM

You wouldn't think he'd be bragging about how much the convention sucked in 2003, would you?

[Typo Lad]

"between people working in the comic book entertainment industry"?

Wait, I thought he was involved. Since when does he work in comics?

[Gail Simone]

I think I've read more books than he will ever sell in his life.

So, you've read a single book or more, eh?

[Gail Simone]

And another, with more copy/pasting of a message board exchange.

http://betterlate.wordpress.com/files/2009/09/olney-091709a.png

Note the comment he made after the post.



You wouldn't think he'd be bragging about how much the convention sucked in 2003, would you?

"We had her up here for the shittiest convention ever put on anywhere and no one showed up and no one was paid, and Rick wore a stained, smelly Thing t-shirt. Heh."

[Coppervale Studio]

I think I've read more books than he will ever sell in his life.

I've read more books TODAY than he will ever sell in his life.

[dragonbat]

You mean Elie Weisel? I'm reading his book Twilight, right now. It's great--and not a blow-dried, sparking vampire to be found.

I had to study l'Aube, i.e. Dawn in 9th grade. (I grew up in Montreal. We did literature in English and French.) Extremely haunting and compelling.

[Gail Simone]

The total number of comics Rick will sell in his life is defined by Y in this formula.

Y Multiplied by Z (where Z is defined as any number) = 0

[colleen]

I've read more books TODAY than he will ever sell in his life.

He could always cobble together some of his nonsense, put it up on the web as a POD book, and sucker a dozen or so folks into buying it.

Stranger things have happened.

Then again, that would take effort.

[Gail Simone]

I think the final tally is this.

We have Colleen and James. And Charles and Tom. And Mac and Crowley. And Dragonbat. And Tony. And Sarah. And so many others it's impossible to list them.

He has a poster who loathes him and thinks he's a deadbeat liar.

We win.

[Gail Simone]

He could always cobble together some of his nonsense, put it up on the web as a POD book, and sucker a dozen or so folks into buying it.

Stranger things have happened.

Then again, that would take effort.

If we know anything about Rick, it's that he never does any work that he can pass off to someone else. Everything he himself has attempted has failed. His few minor non-failures (and there are precious few) were put together almost entirely by others.

[Gail Simone]

HA!

Note the huge response from the thousands of happy former Orca members.

http://orcomx-apa.blogspot.com/

[Coppervale Studio]

Quoting Rick (you moron): "Big whoop... she writes comics."

So, just to take a swipe at Gail, he disses the entire hobby and business of comics, associated (association. associated. Hell, whichever one it is today.)

No wonder no one ever joined OKRA.

[Gail Simone]

Man, that orca page is a goddamned eyesore.

At least Rick had enough sense to let someone with talent in design OrcaFresh for the handful of issues that came out.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

In this case, Gail Simone clearly oversteps her 'value' as a person that has a following of sycophants.

First of all, I have no clue what this means. Does anybody speak Olneyese? I will struggle with a translation, but I could decipher Cuneiform more readily.

Secondly, I'm not sure if Rick 'understands' what sycophant means, or his own 'value' as a human being--the following and non-following sycophants both seem to like Gail, because she's not a fucking waste of space or ethically bankrupt, and can write.

In Tertiary, if he knew what it meant, it would be very telling that Ricky threatened to kick me off of MMC every other week for disagreeing with his crazy American Nazi politics--and it comes off as 'sour grapes' that most of the people on MMC who got tired of his bullshit ended up here. Where they can talk about the money Rick owes them, and/or what a complete asshole he is--he requires sycophancy as a condition of friendship.

[Gail Simone]

First of all, I have no clue what this means. Does anybody speak Olneyese? I will struggle with a translation, but I could decipher Cuneiform more readily.

Secondly, I'm not sure if Rick 'understands' what sycophant means, or his own 'value' as a human being--the following and non-following sycophants both seem to like Gail, because she's not a fucking waste of space or ethically bankrupt, and can write.

In Tertiary, if he knew what it meant, it would be very telling that Ricky threatened to kick me off of MMC every other week for disagreeing with his crazy American Nazi politics--and it comes off as 'sour grapes' that most of the people on MMC who got tired of his bullshit ended up here. Where they can talk about the money Rick owes them, and/or what a complete asshole he is--who requires sycophancy as a condition of friendship.


HA!

You tried to decode the deadbeat's tortured English. I'm sending someone by to scoop up your brains after your head explodes. ;)

[Gail Simone]

I got this gentleman's permission to share his emails.

"I will send you my story tonight. I too was ripped off by Rick.
I paid for a booth...the show was canceled...no refund to date.

Cheers,
Stephan Nilson
President/EIC
Across the Pond Studios L.L.C"

His second email explains a lot more...

[JamesRitcheyIII]

HA!

You tried to decode the deadbeat's tortured English. I'm sending someone by to scoop up your brains after your head explodes. ;)

It...





...HURTS...

[Matt Algren]

HA!

Note the huge response from the thousands of happy former Orca members.

http://orcomx-apa.blogspot.com/
Did you notice (on this post (http://orcomx-apa.blogspot.com/2009/09/orcomx-apa-founding-roster-members.html)) what he linked his name to (http://books.google.com/books?id=XLumYSrVuasC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=rick+olney+fanboys&source=bl&ots=p6igAiUHiG&sig=X89Q0UMLdttW8UaugaFZEA6BUcQ&hl=en&ei=HSOvSsbRIdXRlAfo7dTHBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=rick%20olney%20fanboys&f=false)?

Seriously. Come on.

[THEDOC]

ORCOMX-APA HALL OF FAME
This is to recognize those members that earned in some fashion, by accomplishment and dedication, a place in the ORComx-APA Hall of Fame.

Oh please, he calls THIS a Hall of Fame. Nothing against the inductees but where are the plaques?? I'm sure RO stole that from My IF Fandom Hall of Fame, which I gave out one plaque and will do another this October for Richard Grass Green at the Black Age Comic Convention.
http://www.inter-fan.org/history/halloffame.htm
http://dablackage.blogspot.com/2009/02/black-age-xii-will-take-place-weekend.html
He's a day late and a dollar short (well lots of dollars) as usual.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Did you notice (on this post (http://orcomx-apa.blogspot.com/2009/09/orcomx-apa-founding-roster-members.html)) what he linked his name to (http://books.google.com/books?id=XLumYSrVuasC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=rick+olney+fanboys&source=bl&ots=p6igAiUHiG&sig=X89Q0UMLdttW8UaugaFZEA6BUcQ&hl=en&ei=HSOvSsbRIdXRlAfo7dTHBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=rick%20olney%20fanboys&f=false)?

Seriously. Come on.

Well, the hilarious part is from a Neurolinguistic Programming POV--the retard just linked his name to two pages with 'Olney' and 'Fanboy' highlighted yellow, and repeated several times. Doesn't matter what the article says, those two words are forever unconsciously linked in the reader's mind.

[THEDOC]

http://isitfactorisitfiction.blogspot.com/2009/09/return-of-orcomx-apa.html

[THEDOC]

HMMMMM...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/orcafresh/MySpace/APA12F.jpg

[Charles RB]

I've read more books TODAY than he will ever sell in his life.

I read a chapter of a book yesterday, and that's more than he'll ever sell in his life.

[Charles RB]

For logging purposes, here's some transcripts of that ORCOMX blog:


Saturday, August 22, 2009
The Biggest Elephant in the Room



Why do some people stomp through life like they are the biggest and only 'elephant' in the room? They seemingly care more about communicating untruthful commentary about matters they know absolutely nothing about, trading on their small followings of fans and using the 'celebrity' they've gained to piss on your leg and try to make you believe that its raining?

Yeah, that is a bit harsh. Certainly you're adult enough to take the Internet for exactly what it is in cases like this, and judge for yourself.

The ORCOMX amateur press association is worthy of your time and interests. We have a rather fun loving, unique, group of pop culture followers that ... once you get to know them a little ... via their writing and art actually leave you feeling entertained, informed, and a tad warm and fuzzy. We don't make excuses for our present Central Mailer. He's actually a fabulous person that simply takes some getting used to. The ORCOMX roster has a spot for you when you're ready to be communicative, creative, sincere and friendly towards others.

There!

Now go read that very untruthful link above and begin to check things out for yourself.

Our APA is 'plugging' along since our start back in the summer of 1997. Our 80th (next) issue is due out October 15th. It is our horror filled Halloween issue so feel free to respond here or drop our CM a note of interest at: rick.olney@gmail.com

Note he's refering to himself in third person and refering to ORCOMX as "we", so it looks like it's a group and not just him.


Thursday, September 3, 2009
ORCOMX-APA Update #1

Hi there viewer!

I want to welcome you to the ORCOMX-APA blogspot. I've posted the first 66 covers that our 'nifty' little creative contingent has accomplished. There are another 14 covers to post. That will bring us to our present day 80th issue due out on October 15th.

I won't insult your intelligence by asking you what you know about APA's Amateur press associations can be pretty fun as far as being a comics reading fan and artist is concerned. In ORCOMX, we've been fortunate to have a number of decent writers and a handful of very talented artists. Of course, the 'magic' happens between the covers.

You'll also be treated to a few of the various fanzines created from #80 forward. We're a group, small as we are, of eclectic individuals bent on wringing all the fun we can possibly have from this hobby and business. Yes, we've had a few good stories about who on our roster accomplished some small feat of gain. You'll be able to read ou Constitution and the requirements (and responsibilities) of being an ORCOMX roster member in future blogs here.

I didn't officially introduce myself, as yet. I'm Rick Olney of Organized Readers of Comics Association. While ORCA doesn't presently have an online gathering place... it shall shortly. Where ORCOMX is concerned, I am one of its founding members. I'm a former past president and a present Central Mailer. If you are interested in learning more about how you can partake in our little APA feel encouraged to email me at: orcafresh@gmail.com

Best of All Worlds,
Rick

So he's trolling for victims again.

This one claims to be by a non-Olney:


Thursday, September 3, 2009
BACK TO BASICS by Franklin Cooper

A few things of interest:

•A friend recently sent me a copy of 'The Wrapper' magazine. I've wanted to subscribe to this mag for over twenty years. Why I never have is a mystery. Anyway, I finally got a hold of a copy and it was great. For those who don't know, 'The Wrapper' is a fanzine/adzine specializing in non-sport cards. There are a couple of interesting articles but I enjoyed the ads the most. Anyone looking for a PSA graded complete set of Leaf 'Star Trek' cards? They have it listed here for a mere $5,500.oo! There are ads for singles, sets, wrappers, emptyboxes, unopened packs... You name it, you'll find it here. Anyone who wants to know more can contact the publisher at: leswrap@comcast.net Happy hunting!
•Another friend...fella who goes by the name of Olney sent me an awesome color photo of Jack Kirby! You all know how I idolize 'The King' so of course this photo has an honored place amongst my things. Thanks again, Rick!
•A lot of good things are coming from DC at the moment: 'Green Lantern', 'Flash: Rebirth', 'Justice Society of America', and 'Warlord'. Couple the new with DC's excellent 'Showcase Presents' trade paperbacks and Marvel is creatively in the back seat again.

•Speaking of Marvel... remember when they used to call themselves 'The House of Ideas'? Well those days are apparently over. It seems like 'Merry' Marvel is stuck in a rut of endless 'epic' storylines and a hundred issues of 'Wolverine: Origins'. Am I the only guy who likes 'done in one' stories? Oh, and note to Joe Quesada: We really liked Wolverine better when he was shrouded in mystery. By the time 'Wolverine: Origins' wraps up we'll know what Logan had for breakfast on June 4th, 1902! Leave something for the imagination!
•I was asked recently what book I would want most to restart my collection with. The stipulation was that the book had to cost less than $2, 000.00 dollars. It could be from any era and in any condition. I chose 'Avengers' #4. 'Captain America Joins the Avengers' is my favorite and, in my opinion, the best story of the Silver Age. (Any arguments there, Rick?) Captain America is an icon. When Stan Lee and Jack Kirby decided to bring the character back as a member of The Avengers history was made. Now the REAL Captain America is back and this milestone issue is more desirable than ever. So what do you think
readers? You know the criteria. What would your choice be? (Slabbed books can be included but anyone who chooses a 'Spawn' #1 in CGC 10.0 will receive a thwap from me when I see you!)

•Only a week and a half until the new season of SMALLVILLE kicks off. All I know for sure is that Metallo is going to be one of the guest villains. Anyone with net access now anything else? Dish, people!
•My friend Don thinks the Fantastic Four have always been bland and flat. I've challenged him to read the John Byrne issues from the early 80s and then say that.

Well, that wraps this for now. Feel free to respond once you trip over the ORCOMX-APA on the Internet. I'll talk at you again soon.

It gets the comment:


thegoldenagelives said...
Is this Frank Cooper from Florida who use to post over at Newsarama? It's been a long time since I've heard from you if it is. Great to see you writing. Keep it up!

September 10, 2009 6:19 PM

with no response.

If Frankin's real and Olney did give him that, then I presume that means he DOES still have his collection?

[Charles RB]

Remember Olney's Free Comics Kids blog? (http://freecomicskids.blogspot.com/) It's no longer there.

[Charles RB]

ORCOMX-APA Constitution, posted on the 14th. (http://orcomx-apa.blogspot.com/2009/09/orcomx-apa-constitution-revised-and.html) Important bits:


Costs for U.S. Residents will be an initial fee of seven ($7.00) dollars to open a mailing account joining the roster. The required fee for NON-residents of the United States of America will be ten ($10.00) dollars in international money order payment. A mailing account allows each roster member to receive issues of the APA upon completion of each issue. Please note: Should a roster member be DROPPED to the wait list for non-participation - mailing monies are held by the CM. Should a member or perspective member change their mind and drop from the APA -- NO REFUNDS are given. Monies paid to the CM are not reimbursed. Monies (and any/all interest of the departing person) is considered abandoned and henceforth are used by the CM to cover incidental operational spending.

Only one (1) copy of the ORComx-APA per mail, per each period mailing. The CM shall have no control or be responsible for missing lost issues. Although members may purchase an extra copy by contacting the President. The CM is prohibited from processing such requests without permission from the President. Additionally, the member must have sufficient funds in their mailing account to afford the added costs. Prospective members may contact the President to request a free sample issue of ORComx. The sample issue will be whatever recent issue the President has in stock at the time of the request. Back issues of the APA may be purchased from the President at eight ($8.00) dollars each, which includes mailing costs.

All Matters Regarding Payment: All payments for mailing accounts, including renewal monies, must be in the payment form of United States Postal (USPS) Money Order or in International Postal Money Orders, if originating from a foreign country. All money orders are made payable to the name of the present Central Mailer as is founded listed on the roster along with his/her mailing address. Sending cash is not advised. No responsibility is assumed or implied in the mailing of actual money where an envelope is concerned.


Membership Requirements Include:

•Please maintain a minimum of four ($4.00) dollars in your mailing account. Members without sufficient funds will not receive a mailing. Once funds are replenished, members will receive a copy of the missed issue(s) if those issues are still available. Mailing account funds (again) are not refundable and are forfeit if a member opts to quit or allows their mailing monies account to fall below the minimum for several months consecutively.


re the President, the guy you go to if there's probs, the blog hasn't mentioned one. And:


ORComx-APA trio leadership shall consist of: President, Central Mailer, and Associate Central Mailer. A full leadership rung is not necessary to allow the APA to operate and conduct itself

Someone needs to screencap this whole thing. I can't screencap whole pages, but I have made sure to get the three paragraphs on member dues.

[Charles RB]

Passed the constitution stuff on.

The remaining posts are ORCOMX's founding roster (http://orcomx-apa.blogspot.com/2009/09/orcomx-apa-founding-roster-members.html), Hall of Fame (http://orcomx-apa.blogspot.com/2009/09/orcomx-apa-hall-of-fame.html), and former Central Mailers (http://orcomx-apa.blogspot.com/2009/09/orcomx-apa-former-central-mailers.html), just in case anyone recognises any names.

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Monday, September 14, 2009
ORCOMX-APA FOUNDING ROSTER MEMBERS

The ORComx-APA take this opportunity to list (and note in some cases) a number of individuals that brought their creative abilities to bear in this amateur press association. There are listed in alphabetical order:

•Kermit Franklin

•Daryl Holloman
•Dave Jacobs - Cofounder and 1st President of ORCOMX-APA
•Mike Malott
•Wilfredo Martinez - Banned/removed (Known as 'SiJo' online)

•Mike Noonan
•Rick Olney - ORComx-APA cofounder and founder of the Organized Readers of Comics Association
•Joe Price - 1st ORComx-APA webmaster
•Lino Raposo
•John Salvo - 1st ORComx-APA Central Mailer
•Mike Tirrell
•Alex Tullis - 2nd ORComx-APA Central Mailer
•Robert Upton
•Jeffrey Vavra
•Steve Wameling II - 1st and only Vice President of the ORComx-APA before the position was eliminated
•Deniz - Gencer Cadadag (Germany)



Tuesday, September 15, 2009
ORCOMX-APA HALL OF FAME

This is to recognize those members that earned in some fashion, by accomplishment and dedication, a place in the ORComx-APA Hall of Fame.

•John Simcoe (2000)
•Sara-Fred Rickert (2002)
•Rick Olney (2005)
•Dennis Kininger (2007)
•Benny G. Leal (2009)


Tuesday, September 15, 2009
ORCOMX-APA FORMER CENTRAL MAILERS

This is a list of the ORCOMX-APA members who have served in the position of Central Mailer:


•John Salvo (1998)
•Alex Tullis (1999)
•Rick Olney - Substitute CM for Issue #17
•Dennis Kininger (May 1999 until December 2008)
•Rick Olney (January 2009 until... )

Benny Leal is on the Hall of Fame?

[TonyIsabella]

Outside of Rick, his boy Dennis, and his future cellmate Benny, has anyone ever heard of any of these people he lists as members, CMs, etc?

Tony Isabella

[Gail Simone]

Benny Leal is on the Hall of Fame?

Well, to be fair, he really IS a truly awesome convicted murderer.


I think he's mostly in the Orca H.o.F. for doing some absolutely repulsive and sexually creepy art.

[TonyIsabella]

On another note...is anyone from the thread coming to Mid-Ohio-Con?

I'll be doing a panel on my new book, 1000 COMIC BOOKS YOU MUST READ, and another of my TONY'S TIPS LIVE panels.

Tony Isabella

[Charles RB]

Do we have to pay $7 in USPS Money Orders/$10 in International Money Orders to go to this panel?

Or is it one of those lame, Mickey Mouse ones where there actually IS a panel and nobody's screwed?

[JamesRitcheyIII]

My oldest friend, Dave Newton, has been involved with producing a serious APA for at least a decade--the CCFA-APA, involving classic masters of sequential art. I have two that he put together on his own, one on John Buscema, the other on Gil Kane. They are inexpensive, simply done, black and white, with full page masterpieces chocked through, and esoteric information that would put most historians to shame. They are so good in fact, Roy Thomas actually referenced whole sections of those two issues in Alter Ego.

When I think of what kind of misinformed, infantile, fanboyish crap Olney would put out on his own, while charging 4 to 8 bucks for them...I get nauseous.

[Gail Simone]

I have nothing against Apa's, but Dennis and Rick are such untalented, crappy writers that they make the whole thing look like it was put together by not very gifted ten year olds.

They're really quite awful.

[Coppervale Studio]

I have nothing against Apa's, but Dennis and Rick are such untalented, crappy writers that they make the whole thing look like it was put together by not very gifted ten year olds.

They're really quite awful.

When I was six, I illustrated my own versions of LITTLE RED RIDING HOOD and GOLDILOCKS AND THE THREE BEARS. I stapled copies together, then took them around the block in a red wagon selling them for fifteen cents a copy. I earned enough money to buy a Donald Duck book bag I wanted.

Thirty years later, a friend of mine from grade school found one in his mother's attic, and he put it on ebay as my first published work. Sucker sold for around seventy-two dollars.

Actually stapling together a newsletter shouldn't be that hard for a dude ten times older than I was.

[Charles RB]

Thirty years later, a friend of mine from grade school found one in his mother's attic, and he put it on ebay as my first published work. Sucker sold for around seventy-two dollars.

....

Dear lord. Now that's big time.

[rummblestrips]

So, here's what just went down on Facebook today..


Friend on facebook, who's well respected in our field, posts a new status.

GUESS who replies?

Rick Olney..... with a really, REALLY dumb joke, that of course, made no sense..

So, i decided that I should reply and warn my friend about Rick-

"He is using your friends lists to find more and more new comic creators to swindle. He owed 10s of thousands of dollars to comic creators including friends of both you and I, is a pathological liar, has threatened women, made very public degrading comments about women, minorities and gays...
Put him in the trash where he belongs."

HE then replied with this -

"Hi Joanne,
So you're aware, I've reported your above post. I don't believe it falls within the outlines of Facebook. I'm sorry that you think you have a right to smear me here. You don't"

So, then someone else made this comment -

"Just an observation here, because clearly I don't know any of you, but if it's public knowledge that this occurred, then it wouldn't be considered a smear."

THEN Rick posted THIS comment -

"it is public knowledge that things are 'alleged'. How many liars does it take to color the truth, is the question. Joanne Ellen Hansen is actually Joanne Ellen MUTCH, a woman that participated in smear, libel and slander against me elsewhere.

That is all I have to say on the matter. FB can deal with it as they see it fits their standards here or not."

So, then after my friend realized who Rick actually was.. he deleted the whole thread AND RICK!!!!!!

Oh, and yes, I have been masquerading as Joanne Ellen Hansen for one very devious and evil reason... I GOT DIVORCED AND WENT BACK TO MY MAIDEN NAME!!! mwahaha.... sheeesh.... what a tool...

[OzBat!]

You evil, devious, name-changing person you!

Go sit in the corner with "tamryn"! You deserve a TIME OUT!

[TomStillwell]

Outside of Rick, his boy Dennis, and his future cellmate Benny, has anyone ever heard of any of these people he lists as members, CMs, etc?

Tony Isabella

I know John Simcoe...guess who's getting an e-mail?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Hmm, sound like a couple of comic shop owners I worked for.

Yeah this couple weren't LCS owners but an old restraunt owner and his wife I believe. Pissed me off pretty big time. I can see why their outta business now. They likely ran business like Rick Olney.


"between people working in the comic book entertainment industry"?

Wait, I thought he was involved. Since when does he work in comics?

He dreamed he did. Its all good advertising and smoke & mirrors as he brings back Orca as usual.



Oh please, he calls THIS a Hall of Fame. Nothing against the inductees but where are the plaques?? I'm sure RO stole that from My IF Fandom Hall of Fame, which I gave out one plaque and will do another this October for Richard Grass Green at the Black Age Comic Convention.
http://www.inter-fan.org/history/halloffame.htm
http://dablackage.blogspot.com/2009/02/black-age-xii-will-take-place-weekend.html
He's a day late and a dollar short (well lots of dollars) as usual.

Benny Leal is in the Hall of Fame. The fact this joke is a Hall of Fame should really show us Hall of Fames are silly. If Rick Olney can claim a Hall of Fame for doing absouletly nothing ....wow. :tongue:


For logging purposes, here's some transcripts of that ORCOMX blog:



Note he's refering to himself in third person and refering to ORCOMX as "we", so it looks like it's a group and not just him.



So he's trolling for victims again.

This one claims to be by a non-Olney:



It gets the comment:



with no response.

If Frankin's real and Olney did give him that, then I presume that means he DOES still have his collection?


Passed the constitution stuff on.

The remaining posts are ORCOMX's founding roster (http://orcomx-apa.blogspot.com/2009/09/orcomx-apa-founding-roster-members.html), Hall of Fame (http://orcomx-apa.blogspot.com/2009/09/orcomx-apa-hall-of-fame.html), and former Central Mailers (http://orcomx-apa.blogspot.com/2009/09/orcomx-apa-former-central-mailers.html), just in case anyone recognises any names.

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Benny Leal is on the Hall of Fame?

I wonder if people should be warned again of yet another Rick Olney attempt at screwing people outta money ?

[G-Spot]

I've read more books TODAY than he will ever sell in his life.

What's funny is, my twelve year old daughter just put out her first book at Pitt-Con, got interviewed twice that weekend, and even has a review by Beau Smith (HERE) (http://www.comicsbulletin.com/busted/125316354385554.htm). And she's already working on the second one, and planning the third!

So here's a twelve year old girl, that has produced and promoted more goodwill in one weekend, then Rick has produced in 10 years!

And I'm damned proud of her, too!!!

[Sarah Beach]

The thing about him quoting those exchanges between Gail and OM on Bleeding Cool -- aren't they like two weeks old? Water waaaaaaaay under the bridge.

And of course, the point that Gail and OM were disagreeing about was the relative value of whether or not Rich should ever have launched his Olney thread. But he doesn't want anyone to remember that!

[THEDOC]

Benny Leal is in the Hall of Fame. The fact this joke is a Hall of Fame should really show us Hall of Fames are silly. If Rick Olney can claim a Hall of Fame for doing absouletly nothing ....wow. :tongue:

Now all Halls of Fame are not bad if done properly, mine is to recognize those who went before us. You'd be amazed how the family members reacted as they had no clue their father or husband were so well loved by the fans.
RO even has himself as an inductee..wtf???

[THEDOC]

My oldest friend, Dave Newton, has been involved with producing a serious APA for at least a decade--the CCFA-APA, involving classic masters of sequential art. I have two that he put together on his own, one on John Buscema, the other on Gil Kane. They are inexpensive, simply done, black and white, with full page masterpieces chocked through, and esoteric information that would put most historians to shame. They are so good in fact, Roy Thomas actually referenced whole sections of those two issues in Alter Ego.

When I think of what kind of misinformed, infantile, fanboyish crap Olney would put out on his own, while charging 4 to 8 bucks for them...I get nauseous.

Testify my brother..I have a few Xeros and CAPA-alpha's great stuff.

[Gail Simone]

So, here's what just went down on Facebook today..


Friend on facebook, who's well respected in our field, posts a new status.

GUESS who replies?

Rick Olney..... with a really, REALLY dumb joke, that of course, made no sense..

So, i decided that I should reply and warn my friend about Rick-

"He is using your friends lists to find more and more new comic creators to swindle. He owed 10s of thousands of dollars to comic creators including friends of both you and I, is a pathological liar, has threatened women, made very public degrading comments about women, minorities and gays...
Put him in the trash where he belongs."

HE then replied with this -

"Hi Joanne,
So you're aware, I've reported your above post. I don't believe it falls within the outlines of Facebook. I'm sorry that you think you have a right to smear me here. You don't"

So, then someone else made this comment -

"Just an observation here, because clearly I don't know any of you, but if it's public knowledge that this occurred, then it wouldn't be considered a smear."

THEN Rick posted THIS comment -

"it is public knowledge that things are 'alleged'. How many liars does it take to color the truth, is the question. Joanne Ellen Hansen is actually Joanne Ellen MUTCH, a woman that participated in smear, libel and slander against me elsewhere.

That is all I have to say on the matter. FB can deal with it as they see it fits their standards here or not."

So, then after my friend realized who Rick actually was.. he deleted the whole thread AND RICK!!!!!!

Oh, and yes, I have been masquerading as Joanne Ellen Hansen for one very devious and evil reason... I GOT DIVORCED AND WENT BACK TO MY MAIDEN NAME!!! mwahaha.... sheeesh.... what a tool...


hahahahaha!

More of his dipshit detective work!

I swear, that guy may be the stupidest thing ever to walk the Earth INCLUDING Pauly Shore. I love how he always thinks he's Sherlock Holmes and he is so goddamn stupid he's wrong EVERY TIME!

The genius still hasn't gotten my name right, he's accused everyone here of being Nick Chumbley, including people who haven't got a clue who that is, he insists I keep claiming he owes me money when I've told him repeatedly to shove it up his rear end...it's hysterical every time.

I'm sorry to hear of your divorce, Joanne. But it's lovely to hear from you!

[Gail Simone]

The thing about him quoting those exchanges between Gail and OM on Bleeding Cool -- aren't they like two weeks old? Water waaaaaaaay under the bridge.

And of course, the point that Gail and OM were disagreeing about was the relative value of whether or not Rich should ever have launched his Olney thread. But he doesn't want anyone to remember that!

That's what's so funny. Notice he doesn't quote the posts where this same guy calls Rick a liar and a deadbeat.


Wonder why? ;)

[Flamebird]

"Payment news"? Like what, I wonder?

"Gee, Rich. I really am a total flake. I told the representative of Scott Reed's collection agency that the payment schedule they presented was acceptible. I even told them that the first payment was in the mail the week before August 15. But I didn't really send a payment. And now I've missed the second payment deadline for them as well. Aren't I cool? I can sucker even a collection agency! Anyone who thinks they're going to get a drop of blood out of me, nevermind a single copper penny, is a hater and deluded!"

Except I expect he will sing some new (actually old) story about illnesses delaying him, unexpect family emergencies and expenditures, disastrous weather, or other things that kept him from paying the collection agency or the artists he meant to pay at PittCon (those he will have his third party contact directly next week -- if Rich could get him their contact information!).

Now, now, you know his religion( Pagan, Christian, Wiccan; whatever it is this week) strictly forbids his paying anyone on a day ending with a "y".

You want he should go to hell, just so he can pay off a bunch of schlubs?:eek:

[Flamebird]

I think I've read more books than he will ever sell in his life.

So has my 6 year old niece.

[TonyIsabella]

Busy day today. I'm writing copy for the 1000 COMIC BOOKS YOU MUST READ website and doing other promotional stuff for the book. Keep watching this thread for more OT posts about this book. :)

Tony

[Cam63]

Good luck with it, Tony.

[Cam63]

What's funny is, my twelve year old daughter just put out her first book at Pitt-Con, got interviewed twice that weekend, and even has a review by Beau Smith (HERE) (http://www.comicsbulletin.com/busted/125316354385554.htm). And she's already working on the second one, and planning the third!

So here's a twelve year old girl, that has produced and promoted more goodwill in one weekend, then Rick has produced in 10 years!

And I'm damned proud of her, too!!!

Cheers, Gee'.

[Matt Algren]

When I was six, I illustrated my own versions of LITTLE RED RIDING HOOD and GOLDILOCKS AND THE THREE BEARS. I stapled copies together, then took them around the block in a red wagon selling them for fifteen cents a copy. I earned enough money to buy a Donald Duck book bag I wanted.

Thirty years later, a friend of mine from grade school found one in his mother's attic, and he put it on ebay as my first published work. Sucker sold for around seventy-two dollars.

Actually stapling together a newsletter shouldn't be that hard for a dude ten times older than I was.
Tell me you have a copy to scan and put online. That would be great.

[Coppervale Studio]

Tell me you have a copy to scan and put online. That would be great.

LOL! Yeah, I may have to do that...

[Sarah Beach]

LOL! Yeah, I may have to do that...

It certainly would be fun to see!

[Charles RB]

So, then after my friend realized who Rick actually was.. he deleted the whole thread AND RICK!!!!!!

Ha.

Ha.

HA! :biggrin:


I wonder if people should be warned again of yet another Rick Olney attempt at screwing people outta money ?

Indeed - there's a chance people who don't know about Olney will get conned by the APA offer. It's not much money they'll be scammed out of, but it'll still be money and it could reflect badly on legit apa's.

[Charles RB]

Update on the Rojek thing, as he says: (http://www.bleedingcool.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5945)


We got my parole officer to approve it, and as Heidi's employee, a portion of every paycheck goes to my restitution.

The issue you bring up about the Tower distribution may not be easy to resolve. For a year I helped Tower add graphic novels and card games to their stores. Tower purchased those items through a distributor they owned called Bayside Distribution. I know bayside often didn't pay vendors until they needed to restock products from them. After that year, I started doing distribution directly to tower, buying books from publishers myself and extending credit to tower. It is quite possible I may owe people money from those days, but there are no surviving records from those days, so I don't know. Bayside may have been responsible for some of them, but as they are out of business as well, that's probably also impossible to straighten out. It's probably easy enough to hold me responsible for both anyway.

The Tower quote could be a dodge, but I assume the restitution bit means the money goes towards paying off debts?

[Charles RB]

#36792 – Jeff Austin posts an image that Olney “posted on the TLE forum after some of us sounded off about the situation”; the image is broken but from responses (#36793, 36795, 36797, 36798) it appears to have been an edited picture of the Pillsbury Dough Boy as a killer threatening people to get back to work

#36801 – Glenn Barbis quotes Olney on Comicon saying “I wouldn't think twice about engaging ANYONE physically or with words about calling me a certain name such as "motherfucker".”

#36805 – DocAbsurd says used similar “‘bust a cap’ methods” on the MMC boards when he thought people weren’t working; Doc says that if he wasn’t posting often enough for Olney, Olney would threaten to ban him from the board; when Doc didn’t sign an NDA, “I got knocked down from co-admin to moderator, just so I couldn't see the 'secret plans'”

#36806 – Samuel Catalino says Olney didn’t use threats on him on the MMC board, but did remove his moderator status and blamed it on someone else

#36810 – Nat Gertler deduces that Olney took the “Killsbury” image from somewhere else, cropped it, and added his own text

#36868 – Danny Donovan has “reason [to believe] (albeit mostly speculation) that [Olney’s] been removed from polite society”; he’s trying to get confirmation “but I've got an information stonewall by well, lets just say if THEY'RE stonewalling you, then there's something to be stonewalled about”

#36871, 36873 – Hybrid1 was told Olney had a visit from the police; Danny has heard “similar accounts”

#36877 – Melissa Reed asks if people are referring to the time Olney made threats against her (#34170), or if this is a new incident

#36878 – Tom Stillwell: “We know the authorities have an interest in [Olney] and have actively followed up on a couple different fronts. They wanted to talk to him. Beyond that the rest is speculation.”

#36885 – Danny confirms he’s talking about a different, more recent incident than the police responding to the threats against Melissa



I wasn't concerned with how quiet Rick has been until I saw this.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1508/milkrickat5.jpg

Come back Rick!

[MacQuarrie]

Another post, this time actually mentioning this whole mess. (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/memorable-quotes.html) AND claiming he's sending Rich Johnston "some payment news".
Here's my comment:

"I was trying to come back from financial loss, deaths in my family..."

What deaths in your family have occurred in the interval since Chuck Dixon first went public with your failure to pay him?

You've been playing the dead relative card forever, and it doesn't wash. You cheated people before anyone died, you've cheated them since, and no amount of funerals has ever had anything to do with your being a deadbeat.

[MacQuarrie]

Outside of Rick, his boy Dennis, and his future cellmate Benny, has anyone ever heard of any of these people he lists as members, CMs, etc?

Tony Isabella
Yes. Wilfredo Martinez ("Sijo") is a regular on the Oddball Comics forum, and a good, decent, honest, stand-up guy who loves comics. He's proud to have been banned by The Defendant for asking honest questions about how things are run at ORCA.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Now all Halls of Fame are not bad if done properly, mine is to recognize those who went before us. You'd be amazed how the family members reacted as they had no clue their father or husband were so well loved by the fans.
RO even has himself as an inductee..wtf???

Lets be honest , Rick knows that the only Hall of Fame he'll ever be a part of is one he creates for himself basically. Its pretty sad though. It shows that he really is an egomaniac and desperate to be reconized more than what he is. And thats just an old fanboy .





Indeed - there's a chance people who don't know about Olney will get conned by the APA offer. It's not much money they'll be scammed out of, but it'll still be money and it could reflect badly on legit apa's.

Exactly. I know many here do the Small Press and the fans if they get ripped off by Rick's nonsense , they won't take a chance on an honest one .


Yes. Wilfredo Martinez ("Sijo") is a regular on the Oddball Comics forum, and a good, decent, honest, stand-up guy who loves comics. He's proud to have been banned by The Defendant for asking honest questions about how things are run at ORCA.

Ha ha , silly man he should know Rick Olney answers no one. Even if pushed to prove it in front of his good buddy Rich Johnston ! :tongue:

[colleen]

Update on the Rojek thing, as he says: (http://www.bleedingcool.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5945)



The Tower quote could be a dodge, but I assume the restitution bit means the money goes towards paying off debts?

I would say it's very dodgy.

We got a large order from what we believed to be Tower. The invoice (or invoices, can't recall) were never paid. We got no answer to our inquiries. Tower Records was listed as the company ordering the books. I remember that very specifically, and celebrating with friends over the new business.

We contacted Tower about our unpaid bill, only to be informed that they had placed no orders with us, Rojek's company had.

I got the same story from a number of other self publishers.

I recall being very skeptical when Rojek contacted me about being employed by Tower, because we had previous problems with Rojek. No one I knew trusted him, but we all wanted Tower's business. We assumed that with Tower paying instead of Rojek, we'd be OK.

And in the end, it turns out Rojek was the client, not Tower, and he did not pay us. We never got any answer from him. Eventually, we gave up trying to collect the debt. I recall getting enthusiastic letters from friends and fans telling me they had seen my books in Tower Records, but we never got a dime from those sales.

Rojek was able to wine and dine people at the Four Seasons, but unable to pay self publishers like me money he owed from his dealings in comics.

He is not required to make restitution to anyone from his comics days because he was not convicted of any crimes in those matters.

His significant other is his current employer. Therefore, his significant other sets his salary. His court ordered restitution is paid out of that salary.

Think about that for a minute.

I know none of us from his comics days will ever be paid, but if any of the churches and individuals who invested their funds into his phony facial recognition scheme plans will get their money back, that is something.

After reading his typical equivocation, and of the restitution scheme, I am glad to hear he won't be having anything further to do with comics.

[Charles RB]

He is not required to make restitution to anyone from his comics days because he was not convicted of any crimes in those matters.

His significant other is his current employer. Therefore, his significant other sets his salary. His court ordered restitution is paid out of that salary.

Think about that for a minute.

Ah.

No remorse or reparations then.

[Gail Simone]

Busy day today. I'm writing copy for the 1000 COMIC BOOKS YOU MUST READ website and doing other promotional stuff for the book. Keep watching this thread for more OT posts about this book. :)

Tony

HEY!

How come I'm not in that book? I wrote WATCHMEN!

Well, I read Watchmen.

Well, I had it explained to me once.

[Cam63]

If he didn't rip people off and threaten them after, he'd be a funny bastard.

[Charles RB]

He's stopped posting on his main blog, at the same time we found his ORCOMX scam.

I wonder if the two are connected.

[Mike Bullock]

I have nothing against Apa's, but Dennis and Rick are such untalented, crappy writers that they make the whole thing look like it was put together by not very gifted ten year olds.

They're really quite awful.

Gail,
I can't believe you would vomit forth such an obvious, unmitigated, utter lie... Rick isn't a writer at all. He'd have to improve exponentially to be elevated to "untalented, crappy writer".

Get your facts straight next time.

:biggrin:

[Gail Simone]

I stand corrected, Mike. Rick is in fact an untalented, barely literate, self-absorbed and dull as dishwater fanboy wannabe with no more idea of how to put words together in a sentence than he has of how to wear an unstained, fresh-smelling shirt.

Better?

[Charles RB]

The REAL reason I keep trawling this thread:



We should all be proud... not a bewbie reference in sight for the whole day!


Yeah. Hooray for us. Now excuse me, I'm going to watch the BOOB tube.:eek:


Oh, please do keep us abreast of what you're watching.

:cool:


Well, to be honest, the programming sagged a little. :rolleyes:


And yet, you were so PERKY when you talked about the show last week.


Hmmmm, and here I was hoping you'd have an uplifting experience.





How much more can we milk this joke for....?




If mammary serves me, we can carry on like this for at least a day or so.




...so can we just nip this line of discussion, then? I don't think that this thread needs to be padded like this to stand out.




But I've got a chest full of jokes I've yet to use!!

Oh OK... killjoy!


Well, there's no need "bra-beat" us in order to make us stop.....

[Charles RB]

#37101, 37102 – by 23rd July 2007, Olney has been absent from the net for about a month; neither he nor Dennis Kininger are posting on the orcaboard, though Dennis has posted elsewhere; “Orka [sic] is deaaaaaaaad”

#37160, 37162 – Gail Simone states she’s going to “spread the word” about Olney at San Diego Comic Con


It's an established aspect of evolution that when you introduce a better fool-proof system, nature will introduce a better fool.

[CoffeeStained]

#37160, 37162 – Gail Simone states he’s going to “spread the word” about Olney at San Diego Comic ConLearn sumthin' new everyday.

[Charles RB]

Where's the facepalm pic...

And wahey, just 5000 more posts to log and EVERYTHING is logged!

[OzBat!]

Just for you!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ozbat/mainpic.jpg

[Charles RB]

#37225 – Gail, at San Diego, reports “quite a few” people have been talking about Olney, “Not in a good way”

#37299 – Sarah Beach was at San Diego and was pointed to yet another artist – she didn’t catch the name; “(Gary I believe, from Oregon)” – who was scammed by Olney; the artist tried to go after him in small claims court, “but the paperwork (in Oregon) is apparently labyrinthine”

#37304 – Melissa Reed restates that she’ll offer any advice to someone who wants to pursue Olney in small claims [she and Scott Reed having done it]

#37319, 37321 – in Olney’s absence, orcaboard has grown to ten members and one appears to be Matt Doc Martin (joining two days before these posts, 29th July 07)

37330 – Olney has made one post on orcaboard

#37333 – the4thpip raises that the “Matt Martin” account could be an Olney/Dennis sockpuppet, so they can fake Matt making threats



Is it possible to talk about Rick Olney is a good way?

"Well, Rick never tried to ignite me with a flame thrower. That I know of."



"Well, he never tried to cheat me personally just yet..."

Though that's probably just a matter of circumstance and geographical locale.


"At least Olney's not as bad as Hitler."







Hey, it was the best I could do... cut me some slack.


He made significantly less children go hungry than Chairman Mao!

[ComicbookJeff]

Where's the facepalm pic...

And wahey, just 5000 more posts to log and EVERYTHING is logged!

http://bum.net/pics/facepalm2.jpg

[Charles RB]

He's back on the blogs.

Sequential Soul: (http://sequentialsoul.blogspot.com/2009/09/today-is-gun-cleaning-day.html)



Today is Gun Cleaning Day!

[photo of deer]

Dwelling on facebook, I saw where one of my friends said that today was Pirate Day. Well, I'm not into pirates. Deer season will soon be here though...

This could be a threat or not, it's hard to tell with him.

ORCOMX: (http://orcomx-apa.blogspot.com/2009/09/remainder-of-covers-update.html)


Remainder of Covers Update

Yes, we have cover scans on ORCOMX-APA issues #67 thru #80 to be posted as soon as time allows. The cover art from #80 on will be pulled from the roster art cache. It will hold a variety of differing forms of art.

We're also going to delve into fanzine posting here. That opportunity is going to be made to the active roster members in the coming issues. Amateur Press Associations take a bit of a 'back seat' to other forms of creative expression in fandom. With Organized Readers of Comics Association's re-institution and membership slowly creeping forward we hope a portion of the new members will join and participate in our apa.

Finally, ARTISTS that have an interest in having their art on the ORCOMX covers are welcome to submit art for that use to us. When your art gets placed on an issue you'll get a complimentary copy.

#67-80 are the ones that may not exist (http://isitfactorisitfiction.blogspot.com/2009/09/return-of-orcomx-apa.html).

And oh wow, ORCA's been reborn! Again! (it sure gets reborn a lot)

And Olney's trolling for artists.