Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[Charles RB]

The reason I have a hard time giving Geoff the benefit of the doubt is this.
http://www.indiespotlightnews.com/series-2/indie-spotlight-series-2-2/

He waited a whole week or so to announce Indie Spotlight 2 and begin taking pre-orders.

It's clearly obvious that once again, we have less than 5K pieces produced only to keep up the illusion that production is happening and keep the pre-orders coming in.

Now that is dodgy. Either he's deliberately doing what you say or he's overestimating what he can do, which would also mean taking money for products that'll never arrive.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Heres whats messed up about that. Isn't the Dick Tracy rights screwed up right now ? How could Geoff get the right to do toys based on them with them being so fucked up at the moment ?

And didn't the creator of Jack Staff say that Shocker didn't have the right to make toys ? Or am I thinkin of someone else ?

[EdContradictory]

And didn't the creator of Jack Staff say that Shocker didn't have the right to make toys ? Or am I thinkin of someone else ?

You're thinking of Invincible.

[Alt-World]

Now that is dodgy. Either he's deliberately doing what you say or he's overestimating what he can do, which would also mean taking money for products that'll never arrive.

Well it took Shocker just over three years to get enough money raised to pay for a limited run to fufull their preorders for IS1, so they need to get off to an early start to get IS2 preorders fufilled in by 2012, right? :rolleyes:

[Stressfactor]

Heres whats messed up about that. Isn't the Dick Tracy rights screwed up right now ? How could Geoff get the right to do toys based on them with them being so fucked up at the moment ?

And didn't the creator of Jack Staff say that Shocker didn't have the right to make toys ? Or am I thinkin of someone else ?
Movie rights are hung up. I don't know about figure rights. Warren Beatty apparently still holds the movie rights but Tribune Media want them back and are filing lawsuits claiming that since Beatty hasn't done anything with the character in so long they should get the movie rights back.

Tribune has made a deal with IDW for the reprints of the Dick Tracy comic strips.

I don't *know* if the action figure rights are tangled up with the movie rights BUT since there were some action figures created to go with Beatty's movie I would imagine that the rights ARE tangled up with the movie.

Still, I find it hard to believe that an outfit as big and media savvy as the Tribune Media Services is going to sell the action figure rights to a company as small as Shocker Toys. Also, that Shocker Toys would be able to afford the license seems a bit hard to believe as well.

[KJ_81]

http://www.oafe.net/yo/is1_kab.php

[doom saber]

Geez, I now know I wasn't crazy when I said a few ppl here are taking this way to far since apparently, my favorite toy forums is now a bash fest in regards to Shocker toys. You guys (yes, I am using the term since I am referring to everyone here,) may be able recognize the posters who are takin it a bit too far over on TNI:

http://forums.toynewsi.com/index.php?showtopic=2056074&st=325

[SWH]

Doom Saber, why are you still going on about Domu supposedly calling you Geoff Becket? He NEVER did that. A few pages back you already accepted that you had totally misinterpreted what he had said. So why are you playing the victim and bringing that up again?

And if anyone really gives a crap, yes, go read that forum, and look at the lovely message posted by WWH after I told people to go look at pictures of the figures.

Also read how I proved Geoff was lying once again about not "hiding" negative posts about broken toys on his forum, claiming that "everyone" likes them, hence why there were no negative posts about them.

Then also laugh your head off as WWH claims that the photo of the broken Scud, posted by SOMEONE ELSE on the Shocker forum, must have been a photoshopped image, made by me. Yes, that is the excuse being given for all the breakage issues that Geoff himself has said he is going to "fix" for the June shipment; I personally photoshopped them to look broken.

Call it "bashing" Shocker if you want to feel like Shocker are the victims here. But once again, if Geoff had not lied about hiding posts, if WWH had not lied about the hidden posts, if WWH had not felt the need to make ridiculous allegations... what would we have been "bashing" them about? Don't lie, and nobody will have anything to complain about. How hard is that concept to understand?

[MbedIt]

http://www.oafe.net/yo/is1_kab.php

That seems like a pretty even handed review.

The Shadowhawk review seemed a bit on fluff side for me.

I'd like to see a review on the rest. Did someone say there was a Katchoo review out there?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I wonder how pointing something out about the Dick Tracy toy rights is somehow bashing Shocker. :tongue:

[Pariah74]

The only thing I find funny is that IS News has not posted the Kabuki review...which I doubt they will. And I didn't even realize that they didn't sculpt her with her missing finger. Jeez...Maybe Geoff should have taken the time to read the character bio.

Does Geoff even read comics?

[friginator]

I just ordered some of the other figures, so I'll definitely let you know if Katchoo is missing a finger or something.

[Toygeek]

I wonder how pointing something out about the Dick Tracy toy rights is somehow bashing Shocker. :tongue:

You know this just makes you sound petty, right? We get it, you don't ALWAYS bash EVERYTHING they may do. You're SO much better than everybody else here.

It's old. Seriously. Man was trying to make a point, and one that he knew wouldn't be popular. He's still entitled to his opinion of the situation, and there's really no need to string him up. Especially since now you really are doing to him more or less exactly what he said you were doing to Geoff. You're not a martyr, so climb off the cross already.

Also, it looks to me that in that Orion/Lightray pic posted earlier, that Lightray actually has an upper LEFT thigh in the place where his upper RIGHT thigh ought to be. I have a "Black Costume" Superman that had the same issue.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

You know this just makes you sound petty, right? We get it, you don't ALWAYS bash EVERYTHING they may do. You're SO much better than everybody else here.

It's old. Seriously. Man was trying to make a point, and one that he knew wouldn't be popular. He's still entitled to his opinion of the situation, and there's really no need to string him up. Especially since now you really are doing to him more or less exactly what he said you were doing to Geoff. You're not a martyr, so climb off the cross already.


Yes by asking if he has rights to make these toys , I am petty , bashing and vindictive. Next time I'll just take my martyr ass away and let someone else ask it.

[MacQuarrie]

here's an interesting article. It's about producing a low-budget film, but the principles apply equally to publishing a comic or manufacturing action figures on a budget.

http://www.moviemaker.com/producing/article/how_to_make_a_20000_indie_film_no_budget_moviemaki ng_20090415/

[MacQuarrie]

That seems like a pretty even handed review.

The Shadowhawk review seemed a bit on fluff side for me.

I'd like to see a review on the rest. Did someone say there was a Katchoo review out there?

The guy who wrote that review is one of the founding members of the CBR forums, and an online acquaintance of mine for over 13 years. You can't get more fair than him. He also created the "Sean Connery Sings the Hits" page at MonkeySpit.

[SWH]

The guy who wrote that review is one of the founding members of the CBR forums, and an online acquaintance of mine for over 13 years. You can't get more fair than him. He also created the "Sean Connery Sings the Hits" page at MonkeySpit.

It was a very well written review, he covered everything in a very fair manner. And you know I'm more inclined to believe him about the positives he's mentioned, because it doesn't come off as just a fluff piece.

Also, it's interesting to note that the paint on his Kabuki seems much sharper than the one pictured in the other review. If all the figures were consistently painted that sharply, it would increase the quality of the line. However inconsistency is still a big roblem when you can only buy online and can't inspect the figures before buying.

[Pariah74]

Indie Spotlight News (http://www.indiespotlightnews.com/)is my daily comedy. First of all days before IS1 shipped comments were disabled. Then the site went through some sort of change and all comments were deleted and not reposted.

Now, once again they have insider knowledge! They are telling people to hurry up and order because IS1 is almost sold out! :eek:

But may favorite tidbit today was...

[Shadow Hawk...] was also reportedly going to be used as a frame for the Mr Gone mail away figure.

Whoah, what?! Does Geoff even know what Mr. Gone looks like? Is this why we have only seen his head? Shadow Hawk's body with Gone's head?! :eek: This has to be a joke.

[reideen]

Double post. Sorry

[reideen]

That answers my question then about where's Mr Gone. He hasn't been manufactured yet. Gwarff is selling - like others have said - a limited run in an attempt to generate enough interest to complete a full run of IS 1 and as bait on the hook for IS 2.

Also from the indie spotlight news page:

For those of us that didn’t get the complete set in wave one the second wave will be a welcome treat but with Indie spotlight series 2 getting closer it would be hard to say yet if series one will get a re release.

How much more proof do we need? IS 1 was a small run and won't be at any major retail. It won't even be available through your LCS because Gwarff pissed off Diamond. IS 1 won't be re-released.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no one ordered a complete run of series 1, so Gwarff doesn't have to produce Mr. Gone.

I don't believe Gwarff has the Dick Tracy rights.

I also don't believe Gwarff has rights to Mad Balls for his Mallow line. I subscribe to an industry licensing mag. This month the cover story was the top 100 licensors. American Greetings was obviously one of the top 100 (#48 to be exact) and Shocker was not mentioned at all in the piece. Basic fun was. New products being brought to market were discussed. New licencees (is that even a word? maybe it should be licensors?) were discussed. Again - no mention of Gwarff or Shocker anywhere.

Another example of Beckett talking about products and licenses he hasn't got the ability to produce.

[Toygeek]

Yes by asking if he has rights to make these toys , I am petty , bashing and vindictive.

Never said that.

I'm talking about THIS comment:


I wonder how pointing something out about the Dick Tracy toy rights is somehow bashing Shocker.

Hell, I'm glad there are people out there that try to call attention to the bullcrap Geoff is constantly trying to pull, but there's a tendency, and it's not just you, but there is a tendency to take it too far.

That's what I was trying to say in my post from a few days ago. By dropping to the level of personal insults and raging against anyone who points out that you might just be a little too worked up, you're damaging your credibility to the very people who desperately need to hear what it is you actually have to say.

Let me put it this way, have you ever worked in customer service? I know I have, and I'm sure many of the other folks here around the board have as well. If you're working in customer service, and someone comes up to you and tells you that they had a bad experience with someone else at the store, what do you do? You don't tell them you don't believe them, or that they're wrong. You don't even agree with them because you know the guy they dealt with before is a moron. You apologize for their previous problem and attest to the fact that this experience will be better because now they're dealing with you.

This is very much like that. People need the information that this place has to offer. What they don't need to see is the overzealous nature with which some people go about it. Sure, it's by no means everybody, but there's enough of it that it taints the whole thread. So get the information out there, don't editorialize. And certainly don't shout down differing viewpoints...because then you're just as bad as Geoff.

[MbedIt]

That [The Kabuki Review] seems like a pretty even handed review.

The Shadowhawk review seemed a bit on fluff side for me.

I'd like to see a review on the rest. Did someone say there was a Katchoo review out there?


The guy who wrote that review is one of the founding members of the CBR forums, and an online acquaintance of mine for over 13 years. You can't get more fair than him. He also created the "Sean Connery Sings the Hits" page at MonkeySpit.

Which review are we talking about? I liked the Kabuki review, but I was also saying that I didn't care for the ShadowHawk review.

The Kabuki review I thought was a fair and good review.

The ShadowHawk was a bit on the "Fluff" side. More selling then reviewing IMO. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I took a look at previous reviews that the ShadowHawk reviewer had done (and I did the same for the Kabuki Review) to try and get a "gauge" as to how his reviews generally lined up with my opinion of figures I actually own. I found them to be a bit scattered in that regards.

I'm not saying anything bad about the figures or reviewer. He just isn't a good fit for the way I look things. That's exactly what MWC was saying above... you need to find reviewers that you generally feel capture your sentiments and thoughts on items you DO own so that you can use the review to gauge things you don't!

[domu]

Toygeek, here is an example of why people don't want a lecture from Doom Saber on being nice.

For months he has written about posts on the Shocker forum by a Gen Officious Suxorz. Gen Officious Suxorz would hide insults of Geoff in his posts. Doom Saber thought this was very funny and would comment on them here.

Then Doom Saber wrote this:

I like bashing him every now and then, hell, who do you think Gen officious suxorz at the ST forum is? Hmmmmm....From here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=156451&page=3294)
Post # 49405
There were earlier clues that Doom Saber was Gen Officious Suxorz. This certainly confirms it.

It's hard to take advice on civil behavior from someone who behaves like that.
When Doom Saber wrote a post telling everyone not to attack Geoff for everything he does, myself not having been doing that, I responded. I wrote a post suggesting to him that he should address what people were saying individually, not as the product of a group of "haters" or "trolls." I explained that this was a tactic that Geoff uses to dismiss all criticism as invalid.
Doom Saber misunderstood what I wrote. He became offended. SWH pointed out that I did not attack him. Doom Saber then agreed with him.
Then he decided to be offended again for what I didn't say. Who knows why. It seems to me that Doom Saber feels guilty for how he behaved and has decided to project that onto others.

No one attacked him. Certainly not SuperECWFan1. Do you have a reason for going after SuperECWFan1? Because from what you're quoting, I'm not picking up on it.

Who do you feel has been "raging" against anything here?
Who are these "some" people you are talking about?
I think you are trying to be polite by not singling people out, but you are not helping the discussion by being deliberately vague. I realize it takes more time and effort to address individual posts and posters, but it's far better than offending everyone with broad, sweeping generalities about what "some people" are posting.



And now for some happier news... Indie Spotlight has SOLD OUT!
http://www.indiespotlightnews.com/series1/indie-spotlight-sold-out/

Well, not sold out in the, you know, meaning of the phrase.
Maybe it just felt like something that should be announced at this point.

(And no, I don't consider this "bashing Geoff for everything he does." When his phony fan page has a deliberately misleading headline that creates a false sense of hype, like something Fox News would do to promote tea-bagging, it's worth making fun of. Disagree with me? Then disagree with me, please. SWH, SuperECWFan1, KJ_81, reideen, Pariah74, mbedIt, MacQuarrie, etc., etc., have not participated in any way in the creation of this post. Please don't blame them for something I have written.)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Never said that.

I'm talking about THIS comment:



Hell, I'm glad there are people out there that try to call attention to the bullcrap Geoff is constantly trying to pull, but there's a tendency, and it's not just you, but there is a tendency to take it too far.

That's what I was trying to say in my post from a few days ago. By dropping to the level of personal insults and raging against anyone who points out that you might just be a little too worked up, you're damaging your credibility to the very people who desperately need to hear what it is you actually have to say.

Beyond silly jokes about Shocker and Geoff's , I really am not a "Toy Guy". I don't hunt down Geoff on various boards or go on the Shocker website. For me this thread was my only exposure to Geoff Beckett. Hell ...before he showed up , I never knew what a Shocker Toys was. Its nothing more than a silly guy to laugh about like J-Bolt really.

And pages back someone mentioned Shocker making a Dick Tracy figure with links to him and we had discussed the toy rights being tied up. And it made me ask it again ...since Geoff annouced the figure.




Let me put it this way, have you ever worked in customer service? I know I have, and I'm sure many of the other folks here around the board have as well. If you're working in customer service, and someone comes up to you and tells you that they had a bad experience with someone else at the store, what do you do? You don't tell them you don't believe them, or that they're wrong. You don't even agree with them because you know the guy they dealt with before is a moron. You apologize for their previous problem and attest to the fact that this experience will be better because now they're dealing with you.

This is very much like that. People need the information that this place has to offer. What they don't need to see is the overzealous nature with which some people go about it. Sure, it's by no means everybody, but there's enough of it that it taints the whole thread. So get the information out there, don't editorialize. And certainly don't shout down differing viewpoints...because then you're just as bad as Geoff.

Except I don't see anyone "shouting" down someones opinion. I didn't ...I just found it funny that a lot of us all posting seemed very calm and reasonable. With us joking around. And someone claims were bashing and shit...it seemed weird to see that .

I think many will tell ya on YABS....I'm not really the type who will shout down someones view point.

[EdContradictory]

Whoah, what?! Does Geoff even know what Mr. Gone looks like? Is this why we have only seen his head? Shadow Hawk's body with Gone's head?! :eek: This has to be a joke.
It's probably that body in black, with a cloak over it, and a new head.

[Charles RB]

#26254 – JTPencils confirms his and Cesar’s art is being used without permission (#26245)

#26255 – Sarah Beach points out that in paying Jason Dube, Olney is outright ignoring the court orders to pay two other people; notes this can be used as court evidence that Olney was able and willing to pay some people but not others

#26256, 26257 – Olney sends a message to Sarah on MySpace: message is the lyrics of Home on the Range, in reference to Sarah’s MySpace identifier tag being “free range writer”; Danny Donovan wonders what the point was

#26262, 26263 – Jeff Austin states Olney is using his work without permission too (#26245), and notes Olney’s used Monster Squad model sheets with JT’s name on the copyright

#26267 – Olney has a private article [titles are still visible] titled “When real people lose track of reality”

#26270 – Olney tells Jeff Austin that he deliberately posted the art without permission so Jeff and others would “take the bait”, claims they had no authorisation to put names on the character sheets and he can prove it; Jeff replies that Olney did give authorisation

#26279 – Kurt Busiek hopes the above is copyrighted as it would work against Olney in court, due to him admitting his actions

#26281 – Olney claims an unspecified “we” have gone over his emails re copyright (refers to it as “that “offer” I made”, implying not a proper offer) and the last one told Jeff not to do the copyrights until Olney had a proper legal form from his attorney; Olney states his intentions of “destroying, damaging and making right on” everyone he has disputes with, “you’ll only be compensated when you’ve been adjudicated”; Jeff restates Olney has no right to the artwork as he hasn’t paid for it, openly challenges Olney to take him to court [Olney hasn’t yet]

#26283 – Olney claims decisions have been made that take court matters out of his hands; “now it is about accessing responsibility for damages, my paying for
the intended action, and the court 'battles' themselves”; claims he never wanted it to be like this, implies Jeff is being manipulated by the “larger talent names”; Jeff is unimpressed

#26287 – Danny believes Olney is scared and trying to frighten Jeff into backing down

#26290 – Olney has removed the “Real people lose track of reality” post, but is advertising his next post will be about “Hate Propaganda and Hate Crime”

#26293 – Nat Gertler notes Olney claims he can’t control the court cases but does have to pay for them, a contradiction

#26295 – after another email exchange, Jeff tells Olney not to continue the conversation until after he pays him

#26296 – Olney replies to Jeff with “You have a better chance of meeting God first, dummy. Lol”

#26308 – Olney has also contacted Joshua Pantalleresco, calling him an asshole

#26315 – JTPencils asks for help filing a DMCA against Olney

[doom saber]

Your point? l allude to it on purpose even when I was using the handle. However, I stopped after two times, after realizing it was a mistake. Of course, Geoff found out I was Gen officious as well, why else would he banned it and later unbanned it after I said it was banned on this thread?

Of course, after I was unbanned, I stopped using the handle since there was no point to it.

Plese, dragging it out has no other purpose then start something.



Toygeek, here is an example of why people don't want a lecture from Doom Saber on being nice.

For months he has written about posts on the Shocker forum by a Gen Officious Suxorz. Gen Officious Suxorz would hide insults of Geoff in his posts. Doom Saber thought this was very funny and would comment on them here.

Then Doom Saber wrote this:
From here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=156451&page=3294)
Post # 49405
There were earlier clues that Doom Saber was Gen Officious Suxorz. This certainly confirms it.

It's hard to take advice on civil behavior from someone who behaves like that.
When Doom Saber wrote a post telling everyone not to attack Geoff for everything he does, myself not having been doing that, I responded. I wrote a post suggesting to him that he should address what people were saying individually, not as the product of a group of "haters" or "trolls." I explained that this was a tactic that Geoff uses to dismiss all criticism as invalid.
Doom Saber misunderstood what I wrote. He became offended. SWH pointed out that I did not attack him. Doom Saber then agreed with him.
Then he decided to be offended again for what I didn't say. Who knows why. It seems to me that Doom Saber feels guilty for how he behaved and has decided to project that onto others.

No one attacked him. Certainly not SuperECWFan1. Do you have a reason for going after SuperECWFan1? Because from what you're quoting, I'm not picking up on it.

Who do you feel has been "raging" against anything here?
Who are these "some" people you are talking about?
I think you are trying to be polite by not singling people out, but you are not helping the discussion by being deliberately vague. I realize it takes more time and effort to address individual posts and posters, but it's far better than offending everyone with broad, sweeping generalities about what "some people" are posting.



And now for some happier news... Indie Spotlight has SOLD OUT!
http://www.indiespotlightnews.com/series1/indie-spotlight-sold-out/

Well, not sold out in the, you know, meaning of the phrase.
Maybe it just felt like something that should be announced at this point.

(And no, I don't consider this "bashing Geoff for everything he does." When his phony fan page has a deliberately misleading headline that creates a false sense of hype, like something Fox News would do to promote tea-bagging, it's worth making fun of. Disagree with me? Then disagree with me, please. SWH, SuperECWFan1, KJ_81, reideen, Pariah74, mbedIt, MacQuarrie, etc., etc., have not participated in any way in the creation of this post. Please don't blame them for something I have written.)

[domu]

Your point? l allude to it on purpose even when I was using the handle. However, I stopped after two times, after realizing it was a mistake. Of course, Geoff found out I was Gen officious as well, why else would he banned it and later unbanned it after I said it was banned on this thread?

Of course, after I was unbanned, I stopped using the handle since there was no point to it.

Plese, dragging it out has no other purpose then start something.

Can someone translate this into English for me, please? Or maybe French or Japanese? Something I'd have a chance at deciphering.

[KJ_81]

http://www.thefwoosh.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=58667&p=1577217#p1577217

Analog Jote's post is probably the most honest review I've read so far. It covers both the good and the bad.

[MacQuarrie]

Which review are we talking about? I liked the Kabuki review, but I was also saying that I didn't care for the ShadowHawk review.

The Kabuki review I thought was a fair and good review.

The ShadowHawk was a bit on the "Fluff" side. More selling then reviewing IMO. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I took a look at previous reviews that the ShadowHawk reviewer had done (and I did the same for the Kabuki Review) to try and get a "gauge" as to how his reviews generally lined up with my opinion of figures I actually own. I found them to be a bit scattered in that regards.

I'm not saying anything bad about the figures or reviewer. He just isn't a good fit for the way I look things. That's exactly what MWC was saying above... you need to find reviewers that you generally feel capture your sentiments and thoughts on items you DO own so that you can use the review to gauge things you don't!
I was talking about the Kabuki review. I don't know who wrote the other one.

[CoffeeStained]

Can someone translate this into English for me, please? Or maybe French or Japanese? Something I'd have a chance at deciphering.
あなたのポイント？わざとリットルをほのめかす場合でも私は、ハンドルを使用していた。
しかし、私は2回の後、それは間違いであったことを実現して停止し た。
を私世代にも、なぜ他の彼とそれを禁止とした後、このスレッドで禁止されたと述べた後に投稿禁止を解除おせ っかいだったもちろん、ジェフが見つかりま したか？

もちろん、私の投稿禁止を解除された後、私はそれをしても無意味だったので、ハンドルを使用し て停止した。

以下、それをして、他の目的は何かを開始しているドラッグ。

There ya go.

And now for some happier news... Indie Spotlight has SOLD OUT!
http://www.indiespotlightnews.com/series1/indie-spotlight-sold-out/
That toy actually looks really good, the only thing that would make it better is an even lower resolution image.

[friginator]

Diamond comics made huge mistakes on our listing(s) including leaving out Katchoo, SH variant and SOL. It was later learned by someone who overheard Diamond staff that our listing were messed up as a joke (Not Funny and hurts everyone).


We are here to put out a great Indy comic toy line and every comic shop who supports indy comics should support this line and if they do not then they are not true indy comic supporters

I'm not even going to try to come up with a comment for this.

[Czarcasm]

Posted at Rob Schrab's website: (/www.robschrab.com/new-scud-action-figure-pix/)

ShockerToys Apr 20th, 2009 at 9:43 am

The toys shipped out to all customers, thanks for your concern though and are in stock at a few stores.Is this an outright lie? Are they available at any stores, and if so, which ones?

[ComicbookJeff]

An apology from Geoff would go a very long way.
A sincere and honest apology that owned up to the e-mails to comic shops, and an admission of being less than honest with shipping dates.

The figures aren't bad looking, and my vast appreciation for Strangers in Paradise and the like, would have had me ordering them.

I know how hard it is to start an independent business, so I could probably get past shipping delays and missed deadlines.

I just cannot justify carrying these figures in my store based solely on the douchy behavior of Geoff Beckett.
It really is the nail in the coffin for me.

I don't want to see anyone fail at business, and I certainly sympathize with the difficulty of ventures in the comics industry.
I just cannot overlook how the Shocker Toys president has acted through this whole thing.

[Pariah74]

Geoff interviews himself and claims to not be the PR dept. (http://www.indiespotlightnews.com/series1/geoff-beckett-talks-with-indie-spotlight-news/)


Scud the Disposable Assassin appears to be quite a hit with the fans. The same could be said for Maxx and Kabuki as well. For all those people who have missed out on round 1 for these figures, is there still hope to obtain a Scud, Maxx or Kabuki action figure in the near future?
GB: Yes there is a huge 2nd order which was just increased again due to demand on the way and will be here before SDCC.



Indie Spotlight wave 1 appears to be doing well. And we are already looking forward to wave 2… and wave 3 to be honest. After walking the bumpy road of IS1 I’m sure that you guys have learned some things along the way. Fans are hoping that IS2 and IS3 will be a smoother ride for you guys. Now you’ve worked out the kinks in the process of creating these highly articulated figures, and you’ve resolved all of the distribution issues. What can you tell the fans about the production of IS2 and IS3 that will ensure a quick and speedy release for these upcoming waves?
GB: Series2 is already in pre-production and we are working a schedule of August for that which is what we suggested at Toy Fair 2009. Series3 will begin tooling directly after SDCC as we have a contest we will be working into the series. We sacrificed our company, brought in investors, gave volume discounts to stores all so we could get Indie Spotlight finished and in the fan’s hands and Series2 and well beyond that is now taken care of for a much smoother schedule.



In order to give fans a rough idea about where you’re at with the creation process of IS2, could you give us a run down about what’s currently going on behind the scenes for Indie Spotlight wave 2?
GB: It is in pre-production final paints being worked out along side our SDCC exclusive Dick Tracy 2 versions. More details of that will be hitting the site soon as well as pre-orders so fans don’t miss out on the 1st shipment like what happened for Series1.



Summer is quickly approaching. And for comic/toy fans everywhere, we know what that means… San Diego Comic Con! You mentioned a moment ago that there will be a Dick Tracy SDCC Exclusive figure for 2009. And if memory serves, I believe that you guys were also talking about doing a Black & White version of your upcoming Dick Tracy figure as which won’t be limited to SDCC. Is all of this true? Will there be an Indie Spotlight SDCC Exclusive as well as another Dick Tracy exclusive?
GB: Yes There will be a few exclusives planned and news will be announced when it is all solid.



Will Shocker Toys be making the SDCC Exclusive available on their website for those fans who are unable to attend the show?
GB: One version of Dick Tracy will be show attendees only the rest will be available online and at the show.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm not even going to try to come up with a comment for this.

Yes .... now Diamond purposely tried to kill his Toy company. It gets even more silly as you can tell by this statement sales are in the shitter so since many LCS aren't ordering , they don't support indie comics.

[MbedIt]

Hi Geoff. First off, all the fans over here at ISN would like to congratulate you and Shocker Toys on the launch of your much anticipated toy line Indie Spotlight wave 1. As you know, all of us fans over at Indie Spotlight News are really excited about these figures.

GB: Thank you we were just as excited to see our toyline become a reality through all the hardships and hurtles.

He he! It's "Hurdle" when your overcoming an obstacle!

"Hurtle" means...

hur·tle (hûrtl)
v. hur·tled, hur·tling, hur·tles
v.intr.
To move with or as if with great speed and a rushing noise: an express train that hurtled past.
v.tr.
To fling with great force; hurl.

[NatGertler]

We are here to put out a great Indy comic toy line and every comic shop who supports indy comics should support this line and if they do not then they are not true indy comic supporters.Ah, the campaign to tell retailers "I don't understand your business, and I want your custom without actually earning it!" continues.

[Pariah74]

Well just to be clear, because maybe it's me...

IS1 sales slagged because of the haterz and trollzez and all the peepz here at CBR restricting the tradeszes? Correct?
However, IS1 was a huge success because it sold out in a matter of days and is almost gone? Correct?

But there won't be a second run to local comic books shops despite the fact that the second order, which has just been increased to HUGE proportions, isn't going to be done because IS2 is on its way? Wait what? :confused:

Is this making sense to anyone? Maybe I need one of Gooff's drones to explain it to me? Where is World War Hulk when you need him?


See? This is why I said, don't get too bent out of shape over "IS1's release"! Hell, I'm a noobie and I saw this coming. He did another small time release and there is no second order coming. It's just a ploy to fire pre-orders on IS2.

[SWH]

God, what a load of utter bullshit that interview with himself was.


Lets speak about “The Trolls” for a quick moment. There’s a handful of people out there who doubted Shocker Toys and the Indie Spotlight toy line. Some of them have even gone out of their way numerous times to try and slow down this line from getting released. They’ve said a lot of negative things in the past, a lot of which are flat out lies. But in the end it is Shocker Toys and Indie Spotlight who have prevailed. Even through all the garbage that they threw your way, you guys still got the figures made. You never let it slow you down, and you released Indie Spotlight as planned.

You’ve always said that you’re a fan of toys, who is just trying to make good toys for others to enjoy. Through all of their negative comments you have simply stated, “We’ll let the toys speak for themselves.” Well now the toys are speaking for themselves. Now that the toys are completed and they’re being shipped out to all of the fans who admire them so much, is there anything that you’d like to say to the non-believers out there?

GB: We learned from our mistakes and we let the toys be all they can be. Spreading lies and telling comic shops and customers we are scamming them will only hurt the fans who want the toys. We never dismissed the facts that we were not perfect or mistakes were made but we have moved towards a new future and making toys in a timely manner that are great for the fans.

Here is a perfect example of Geoff Beckett using the tactic of simply grouping together anyone who has said anything negative about him, regardless of what it is, into a single group.

"Some of them have even gone out of their way numerous times to try and slow down this line from getting released"?? So now all of the delays are the fault of people like myself, the "Trolls"? Geoff, you are an absolute low-life scumbag. What has ANYONE ever done which has even been an ATTEMPT to stop you from making these figures? Name one thing that was ever done by someone to cause a delay with this line? Every single delay was a direct result of your own incompetence.

"They’ve said a lot of negative things in the past, a lot of which are flat out lies"?? Sorry, but it has been well documented and proven time after time that GEOFF BECKET is a liar. I challenge you Geoff, to show actual PROOF of a lie that I have ever told about you or your scummy company. I have proven you to be a liar on numerous occasions. So how about you prove your allegations for a change? Because you can't. Because nobody has ever NEEDED to lie, your actions and lies are all the proof we need. What use would it be to make up more on top of that?

"You never let it slow you down, and you released Indie Spotlight as planned."... No he didn't. "As planned" would mean they were released almost 2 years ago, on the initial release date.

"Through all of their negative comments you have simply stated, “We’ll let the toys speak for themselves.”". Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. Christ, barely any of the problems that have arisen for Shocker would have occurred if he took that approach. Does anyone else here recall Geoff never saying anything but “We’ll let the toys speak for themselves”? No, didn't think so.

God, the reason I first got attacked by Geoff was because I gave him "feedback" (none of which was used, despite all being very valid criticisms that would have actually made the toys better) and instead of "letting the toys speak", Geoff proceeded to abuse me, insult me, and cyber-stalk me, on behalf of the toys.

"We never dismissed the facts that we were not perfect or mistakes were made but we have moved towards a new future and making toys in a timely manner that are great for the fans." Actually Geoff, by claiming that everything "the trolls" said was a lie, you are dismissing the facts. You couldn't be more blatantly dismissing them than by simply claiming they're not true. And how exactly have you "moved towards" making toys "in a timely manner"? Where is an example of that? You mean the toy line you just released 3 weeks over it's latest deadline, which took 3 years to get released? Because while you may have finally made something, you certainly can't be claiming that this is proof of you doing anything in a timely manner.

"Spreading lies and telling comic shops and customers we are scamming them will only hurt the fans who want the toys". Instead of congratulating Geoff for finally releasing his toys, the folks here should be appalled that he's making comments like this. This is the kind of comment that totally undermines the efforts of people who try to bring to light scammers and con-artists like Olney and Beckett. Nobody spread lies about Shocker. The scams he pulled were proven to be just that, scams. And with revisionist statements like this, I have no doubt in my mind that the reason he FINALLY made a limited number of IS1 figures, was so that he could try to prove the 'trolls' wrong in some regards and then wipe the slate clean to continue his scams with IS2.

[Charles RB]

Well just to be clear, because maybe it's me...

IS1 sales slagged because of the haterz and trollzez and all the peepz here at CBR restricting the tradeszes? Correct?
However, IS1 was a huge success because it sold out in a matter of days and is almost gone? Correct?

But there won't be a second run to local comic books shops despite the fact that the second order, which has just been increased to HUGE proportions, isn't going to be done because IS2 is on its way? Wait what? :confused:

Yes, he can't keep his story straight here. It's like when Olney tried blaming Gail for using her fame and influence against him after claiming for months she had none and HE was damaging HER career.

[ComicbookJeff]

"Spreading lies and telling comic shops and customers we are scamming them will only hurt the fans who want the toys". Instead of congratulating Geoff for finally releasing his toys, the folks here should be appalled that he's making comments like this. This is the kind of comment that totally undermines the efforts of people who try to bring to light scammers and con-artists like Olney and Beckett. Nobody spread lies about Shocker. The scams he pulled were proven to be just that, scams. And with revisionist statements like this, I have no doubt in my mind that the reason he FINALLY made a limited number of IS1 figures, was so that he could try to prove the 'trolls' wrong in some regards and then wipe the slate clean to continue his scams with IS2.

Well said sir.

[Charles RB]

#26340 – Joshua Pantalleresco posts his email exchange with Olney: Olney contacted Joshua to call him an asshole

#26342 – Olney’s name is automatically “bleeped” at Comicon because Olney once trolled it so badly, the webmaster got angry and put the word “Olney” in the swear filter

#26349 – Olney has a post up offering free advertising of comics in MVCN, both online and in print

26353 – former Comicon poster IvanJim claims Olney regularly attacked and insulted people on the site, as well as spamming, turning threads into “cheerlead[ing] for himself”, had meltdowns, threats of lawsuits, threats of physical violence against poster Jack Venooker, and allegedly claimed he’d been diagnosed with terminal cancer

#26354 – Nat Gertler links to proof Olney would never prove ORCA had 501 (c) status [it didn’t] ; [the page Nat links to was on Comicon but no longer exists]

#26359 – Matt Doc claims he’s going to send copies of Olney and Dennis’s posts claiming ORCA had tax deductible status to the IRS

#26363 – James Owen remembers Olney’s presence drove away paying members of Comicon; claims his friend Carlos has been informed by a NY attorney that he knows of no legal action being taken on behalf of Olney or Tightlip

#26370 – Nat Gertler claims Olney told him elsewhere “that he thinks I should consider his personal privileges as important as his debts to others”

#26382 – Tightlip’s website no longer has copies of JT’s and Cesar’s art (#26245, #26270)

#26384 – James Owen claims the same attorney is willing to have Carlos his services for a dollar, just so there’d be a conflict of interest if Olney tried to hire them

[Alt-World]

God, what a load of utter bullshit that interview with himself was.



Here is a perfect example of Geoff Beckett using the tactic of simply grouping together anyone who has said anything negative about him, regardless of what it is, into a single group.

"Some of them have even gone out of their way numerous times to try and slow down this line from getting released"?? So now all of the delays are the fault of people like myself, the "Trolls"? Geoff, you are an absolute low-life scumbag. What has ANYONE ever done which has even been an ATTEMPT to stop you from making these figures? Name one thing that was ever done by someone to cause a delay with this line? Every single delay was a direct result of your own incompetence.

"They’ve said a lot of negative things in the past, a lot of which are flat out lies"?? Sorry, but it has been well documented and proven time after time that GEOFF BECKET is a liar. I challenge you Geoff, to show actual PROOF of a lie that I have ever told about you or your scummy company. I have proven you to be a liar on numerous occasions. So how about you prove your allegations for a change? Because you can't. Because nobody has ever NEEDED to lie, your actions and lies are all the proof we need. What use would it be to make up more on top of that?

"You never let it slow you down, and you released Indie Spotlight as planned."... No he didn't. "As planned" would mean they were released almost 2 years ago, on the initial release date.

"Through all of their negative comments you have simply stated, “We’ll let the toys speak for themselves.”". Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. Christ, barely any of the problems that have arisen for Shocker would have occurred if he took that approach. Does anyone else here recall Geoff never saying anything but “We’ll let the toys speak for themselves”? No, didn't think so.

God, the reason I first got attacked by Geoff was because I gave him "feedback" (none of which was used, despite all being very valid criticisms that would have actually made the toys better) and instead of "letting the toys speak", Geoff proceeded to abuse me, insult me, and cyber-stalk me, on behalf of the toys.

"We never dismissed the facts that we were not perfect or mistakes were made but we have moved towards a new future and making toys in a timely manner that are great for the fans." Actually Geoff, by claiming that everything "the trolls" said was a lie, you are dismissing the facts. You couldn't be more blatantly dismissing them than by simply claiming they're not true. And how exactly have you "moved towards" making toys "in a timely manner"? Where is an example of that? You mean the toy line you just released 3 weeks over it's latest deadline, which took 3 years to get released? Because while you may have finally made something, you certainly can't be claiming that this is proof of you doing anything in a timely manner.

"Spreading lies and telling comic shops and customers we are scamming them will only hurt the fans who want the toys". Instead of congratulating Geoff for finally releasing his toys, the folks here should be appalled that he's making comments like this. This is the kind of comment that totally undermines the efforts of people who try to bring to light scammers and con-artists like Olney and Beckett. Nobody spread lies about Shocker. The scams he pulled were proven to be just that, scams. And with revisionist statements like this, I have no doubt in my mind that the reason he FINALLY made a limited number of IS1 figures, was so that he could try to prove the 'trolls' wrong in some regards and then wipe the slate clean to continue his scams with IS2.

I can only agree with you on all of this.

[Comcman]

Well said sir.

It does make me laugh that even if the mass e-mail had had the desired effect of increasing retailer orders through Diamond, they were canceled anyway because he failed to produce the product in the required time-frame to Diamond. Most retailers had probably not heard of Shocker Toys at the time of the initial order and ordered based on the product. The mass e-mail simply made a large percentage aware that Shocker Toys was attempting to pull a scam by implying a false demand. And they compared notes.

Now hundreds of retailers, probably a large percentage of HavenDistribution's customers, know about Shocker Toys and not in a good way. I wonder how many orders Haven got and if any of them were filled?

[Verminous]

He he! It's "Hurdle" when your overcoming an obstacle!

"Hurtle" means...

hur·tle (hûrtl)
v. hur·tled, hur·tling, hur·tles
v.intr.
To move with or as if with great speed and a rushing noise: an express train that hurtled past.
v.tr.
To fling with great force; hurl.

You've gone to a lot of trouble over a typo.

[SWH]

You've gone to a lot of trouble over a typo.

He hasn't really. Ever looked something up in a dictionary? A full 2 seconds worth of effort.

[MbedIt]

He hasn't really. Ever looked something up in a dictionary? A full 2 seconds worth of effort.


Yes. Cutting and pasting is your friend (I'm doing it now!)

[Verminous]

He hasn't really. Ever looked something up in a dictionary? A full 2 seconds worth of effort.

Okay I wasn't being literal enough.

That's petty.

How's that?

[ComicbookJeff]

Okay I wasn't being literal enough.

That's petty.

How's that?

I don't know dude.
You seem to be the pettiest person in this thread.
I can think of nothing that you have said here that is of substance at all.

[mrpoizun]

He he! It's "Hurdle" when your overcoming an obstacle!

"Hurtle" means...

hur·tle (hûrtl)
v. hur·tled, hur·tling, hur·tles
v.intr.
To move with or as if with great speed and a rushing noise: an express train that hurtled past.
v.tr.
To fling with great force; hurl.

And "your" is a possessive, as in, "your car", "your book". "You are" is commonly shortened to "you're".
And by "he he" (she she?), I assume you mean "hee hee".
Glass houses and all that?

[MbedIt]

And "your" is a possessive, as in, "your car", "your book". "You are" is commonly shortened to "you're".
And by "he he" (she she?), I assume you mean "hee hee".
Glass houses and all that?

You got me!

Shocker toys has a history of grammar issues! I read that and got chuckle! No more no less. Laugh with me, laugh at me. Ignore me! It's all good! It is what it is!

[CoffeeStained]

And by "he he" (she she?), I assume you mean "hee hee".
You should not start a sentance with a conjunction. Try 'furthermore' or 'in addition' in place of 'and' for a grammatically delicious sentence.

Spot my spelling mistake to continue derailing this thread.

[SWH]

For a good laugh, anyone familiar with the Shocker scam can read Becket's latest retelling of the story here...
http://www.shockertoys.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3044
If anyone thought Shocker had changed their ways because they finally released some toys, here is definitive proof they have not. He's now claiming that there NEVER was a scam, it was someone who "did nothing wrong but raise awareness with the Local Comic Shops". Raise awareness? By trying to con stores into making orders they had no intention of paying for?

And the hilarious line: "every comic shop who supports indy comics should support this line and if they do not then they are not true indy comic supporters". Or maybe they just don't support lying scumbags who try to con them? Maybe?

And if you ever wondered how inept Becket is at running a company, look no further than this; "We had to wait to put a production order in until we knew what the total was for Diamond and the second listing took longer to get a final count from them. As a smaller company we can't guess on how many peices to make our first time out.". No Geoff, you shouldn't "guess" how many to make. You should be making an educated decision based on market research. Instead of trying to scam comic stores into buying your stuff by posing as a customer, you should have called them as a SALES REP for your company, and inquired about potential interest in the line. Hell, the time spent bickering back and forth with me alone could have been spent much more productively by building a positive rapport with the businesses you want to deal with, instead of pissing off potential customers those businesses then have to try selling your crap to.

And if your plan all along was to "wait to put a production order in until we knew what the total was for Diamond", then there was never any way you would have met your deadline. Because once you got all the numbers from Diamond, it would have been at least another 3 months for manufacture, (and 6 months for delivery on the Shocker Toys 'Slowest Boat In The World'). So you were planning to put in the order WHEN STORES EXPECTED THE PRODUCT! That's not how you do business. Also, you claimed to have all the figures manufactured and ready to go in December, which was also meant to be the date the Diamond orders were due. So how did you have them made before you had the numbers you needed from Diamond? Which of your stories is bullshit Geoff? Because they can't all be true, they're contradicting each other.

And our good pal WorldWarHulk chimes in with this in response to the fact the "trolls" had apparently told lies about this scam;


But I feel bad that anyone should have to put up with the crap that these guys put Shocker Toys through. It's totally uncalled for and completely unjustified. And I think that someone should point out their lies. Obviously it won't ever stop them, but at least some potential new fans will know that these guys are lying in almost every single post that they make concerning Shocker Toys.

If some of these guys want to make it their personal goal to spread lies about Shocker Toys or to try to bury their company (as they have stated before), then I will be there to point out their lies and BS that they talk. Obviously they haven't stopped Shocker Toys, but why sit back and allow them to lie, and try ruin business deals, and attempt to destroy Shocker Toys all together? Fans should stick up for Shocker Toys, and let the toys themselves take care of the rest.

WWH, why not do just that then? Why not point out the "lies"? Instead of just saying people have told "lies", why don't you ever actually say just what these alleged "lies" actually are? Every allegation of dishonesty and scamming from Shocker has been backed up by people posting here. Never once has the Shocker camp come forward with proof that any of the allegations against them are "lies". Just once I'd like to see you try to prove what "lies" have been told.

I've made it my goal to spread the TRUTH about Shocker Toys. With all of the scams and lies coming out of Shocker, I've never once needed to make up extra stories.

Nobody has tried to ruin any "business deals" for Shocker. They did that themselves, by burning bridges with Diamond, by trying to con every comic store in America, and by failing to meet their own deadlines. What "business deals" have been ruined by anyone other than Geoff Beckett?

[Toygeek]

And if you ever wondered how inept Becket is at running a company, look no further than this; "We had to wait to put a production order in until we knew what the total was for Diamond and the second listing took longer to get a final count from them. As a smaller company we can't guess on how many peices to make our first time out.".


I really hate to say this, but as far as this part of things go...it's poorly worded, but actually pretty much the standard operating procedure for smaller toy companies. That's why toys and statues are in Previews so far ahead of time. Comics have a 2 month window in Previews, give or take. Toys and statues tend to average 4-6 months ahead. This is because the toy company is question has to wait until they get final orders before they pull the final trigger. Now having said that, production on a line needs to be pretty far along before it actually shows up in Previews, but development time on an action figure is lengthy. That's why the ads tend to show early paint masters and aren't always the same as what finally comes out. Hell, a lot of the time, a company will even use pics of previous series if they can.

It is, unfortunately, common practice. Palisades used to do it. NECA and SOTA still do it...I've even heard stories of Mattel doing it this way. It's the way of the small-market action-figure world.

Geoff's still a douche, but he's not wrong on THAT particular statement.

[MacQuarrie]

You should not start a sentance with a conjunction. Try 'furthermore' or 'in addition' in place of 'and' for a grammatically delicious sentence.

Spot my spelling mistake to continue derailing this thread.

"Sentance"

The lesson we've learned is, if you're going to take pokes at other people's grammatical incompetence, you'd better make damn sure your own postings are bulletproof.

Now back to business....

I posted this link a couple of days ago, but it seems to have been ignored:

http://www.moviemaker.com/producing/article/how_to_make_a_20000_indie_film_no_budget_moviemaki ng_20090415/

It's about producing a low-budget movie, but the principles apply to what Shocker is trying to do, and he could learn from it, as could Olney, J-Bolt, Platinum Studios, Atlantis Studios, and a number of other small outfits that have struggled with their business ethics over the couple of years since we founded Unscrewed.

I'll summarize. The author gives a list of bullet points, "Dos and Don'ts" of producing, along with explanations as to why. Paraphrasing for the comics/toy industries, here are some key points:

DO:
DO Write a realistic budget. Keep expenses under control from the start. Understand that you probably can’t pay anyone, and make sure that the people you’re working with understand that.

DO Make commitments. Let the rest of the team see that you’re serious about finishing the project, even when it seems impossible. Know your limits but continue to push them. Do what you say you will.

DO Get it done quickly. Take time to plan, but implement your plan quickly. The bulk of your free help will disappear after two or three months.

DON’T:
DON'T Make promises. Notice, these are different than commitments. At the outset, it’s easy to promise free stuff, but remember, that stuff all comes out of the same budget.

DON'T Mortgage the house. Taking risks is inherent in any independent project and financial failure isn’t just possible, it’s likely. Spend less than you can afford to lose, and if you’re spending someone else’s money, continue to reassure them that they will probably never see it again.

DON'T Overhype everything. Most people will know when you’re full of it. Just be honest about what they can expect, and be sure to let them know if this is your first project.

[THEDOC]

"Sentance"

The lesson we've learned is, if you're going to take pokes at other people's grammatical incompetence, you'd better make damn sure your own postings are bulletproof.

Now back to business....

I posted this link a couple of days ago, but it seems to have been ignored:

http://www.moviemaker.com/producing/article/how_to_make_a_20000_indie_film_no_budget_moviemaki ng_20090415/

It's about producing a low-budget movie, but the principles apply to what Shocker is trying to do, and he could learn from it, as could Olney, J-Bolt, Platinum Studios, Atlantis Studios, and a number of other small outfits that have struggled with their business ethics over the couple of years since we founded Unscrewed.

I'll summarize. The author gives a list of bullet points, "Dos and Don'ts" of producing, along with explanations as to why. Paraphrasing for the comics/toy industries, here are some key points:

DO:
DO Write a realistic budget. Keep expenses under control from the start. Understand that you probably can’t pay anyone, and make sure that the people you’re working with understand that.

DO Make commitments. Let the rest of the team see that you’re serious about finishing the project, even when it seems impossible. Know your limits but continue to push them. Do what you say you will.

DO Get it done quickly. Take time to plan, but implement your plan quickly. The bulk of your free help will disappear after two or three months.

DON’T:
DON'T Make promises. Notice, these are different than commitments. At the outset, it’s easy to promise free stuff, but remember, that stuff all comes out of the same budget.

DON'T Mortgage the house. Taking risks is inherent in any independent project and financial failure isn’t just possible, it’s likely. Spend less than you can afford to lose, and if you’re spending someone else’s money, continue to reassure them that they will probably never see it again.

DON'T Overhype everything. Most people will know when you’re full of it. Just be honest about what they can expect, and be sure to let them know if this is your first project.



So RO was just the same just the word Don't and Do were left out (depending on sentence). (I think he probably mortgaged other people's houses).

[Pariah74]

Hooray! The first push back on IS2 is here! Albeit unofficial (I think.)

Wasn't IS2 scheduled to land in June? Well now it's September. (http://www.indiespotlightnews.com/series-2/indie-spotlight-series-2-pre-order/) :rolleyes:

What fun, what fun.

I think just the fact that IS2 pre-order is now being pushed, with hints that IS1's second wave will be canceled should be raising eyebrows.

I promise if I can walk into Toys R Us and buy a Scud figure, I will.


Oh and somebody explain this to me:

There may also be a limited edition black and white comic accurate Dick Tracy.

I thought Dick Tracy was a color comic? When was it black and white...in the daily strip or something? WTF? That just doesn't even make sense except to be a lame copy of the amazing TMNT figs.

[NatGertler]

Dick Tracy started in the newspapers, and while the very first strip was a Sunday strip and thus in color, most of the strips have been weekdays and thus in black-and-white.

[THEDOC]

Pinto
I only new of a August release from what I have seen. These were announced as a August/Sept release according to interviews recently. Just like last time people bought into the BS on the net and now are sitting there without a Maxx and Scud because they didn’t pre-order. I think it is Ironic and that won’t happen to me I have my order in for Series2 and I am getting me an Arthur and I have to have an extra Tick!

Geoff perhaps???

[SWH]

Yup, Pinto is Geoff without a doubt. The only 2 people I've seen anywhere else ever be so nonsensical and over the top in their defence of Shocker are either Geoff or WWH. Since WWH also posts on IndieSpotlightNews.com under his usual handle, I believe Pinto is Geoff. Also, for such an obsessed fan, you'd expect him to also post on the Shocker forum, but there's nobody under that name on their board.

[KJ_81]

http://www.shockertoys.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3044

WWH and Geoff Beckett call me out, after answering a Fwoosh member honestly, and without prejudice.

My post on the Fwoosh, with the post I'm answering preceding it:

'' StrangePlanet wrote:Anyone seen these at their local comic book shop yet?

I always thought the Kabuki looked to be pretty sweet, and the most promising of their offerings.
Thanks for the review bubbashelby.
She doesn't look quite as good as the MAC one from, oh what? 10 years ago?
But she CAN move, and looks pretty darn good as well.
I was hoping she would turn out well.


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You probably won't see them at your comic book store. There was a big scandal a few months ago, after Shocker Toys attempted to swindle LCS's all over America. Because of that, Diamond cancelled their arrangement with them, and many LCS's joined together and boycotted Shocker Toys.

Some may still order them via alternate arrangements, but I wouldn't bet on it.

It'd be well worth checking either way, if you really want the figures.''

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I really thought that post was quite fair, I even recommended he check if he really wanted the damned things. But no, I was spreaing lies. Oh well, I blame all the LCS owners who forwarded me the exact same email, they're obviously a pack of liars. :rolleyes:

[MacQuarrie]

http://www.shockertoys.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3044

WWH and Geoff Beckett call me out, after answering a Fwoosh member honestly, and without prejudice.

My post on the Fwoosh, with the post I'm answering preceding it:

'' StrangePlanet wrote:Anyone seen these at their local comic book shop yet?

I always thought the Kabuki looked to be pretty sweet, and the most promising of their offerings.
Thanks for the review bubbashelby.
She doesn't look quite as good as the MAC one from, oh what? 10 years ago?
But she CAN move, and looks pretty darn good as well.
I was hoping she would turn out well.


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You probably won't see them at your comic book store. There was a big scandal a few months ago, after Shocker Toys attempted to swindle LCS's all over America. Because of that, Diamond cancelled their arrangement with them, and many LCS's joined together and boycotted Shocker Toys.

Some may still order them via alternate arrangements, but I wouldn't bet on it.

It'd be well worth checking either way, if you really want the figures.''

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I really thought that post was quite fair, I even recommended he check if he really wanted the damned things. But no, I was spreaing lies. Oh well, I blame all the LCS owners who forwarded me the exact same email, they're obviously a pack of liars. :rolleyes:

Truthfully, "attempted to swindle" is not exactly neutral terminology. It may not even be accurate; I was under the impression that Diamond dropped Shocker for failing to deliver product on time, not because of the dubious emails/phone calls.

[THEDOC]

I know Haven had orders for them so they COULD still show up at some stores down the road. Yeah, Diamond dropped them due to the canceling issues.

[Pariah74]

From Indie Spotlight News:

"I’m pleased to hear about the second run. However, it seems Haven has removed the line from their online catalog - hopefully this is just a temporary glitch while they adjust the release date (as they had the old one, not the new June release), and won’t affect the distribution plans." (http://www.indiespotlightnews.com/series-2/indie-spotlight-series-2-2/#comment-271)


Discuss. :rolleyes:

[DedFive]

BBTS has Scud back in stock, but there is a caveat:

Please Note: Substandard orders may have loose pieces in package.

Does this mean broken in packaging?

Nicely done, G-off.

[Pariah74]

Well BBTS is still taking pre-orders on GWAR. WTF is up with that?
Oh and I see they wany 32.99 for that Maxx figure...seriously? That's an insane amount of money for one fig.

Oh and I found this:
http://www.titantoys.com/popup_image.php?pID=1604&image=0&osCsid=d7171244f6051614ef294723de7243e5
I don't know if anyone pointed this out yet, but this fig is a "doppelganger" version of Kabuki. It has no scars and no lost fingers. It also looks quite a bit like another figure I know. <snicker> Being lazy always hurts you in the end.
Watch soon for Geoff to switch his fig to the "doppelganger" version too.

[reideen]

Well BBTS is still taking pre-orders on GWAR. WTF is up with that?
Oh and I see they wany 32.99 for that Maxx figure...seriously? That's an insane amount of money for one fig.

BBTS still had the Maxi Mate Wolverine and Spidey up for order last I checked too. Doesn't mean they're going to be brought to retail. BBTS is pretty lax IMO in removing items that have been canceled.

[Pariah74]

I'm having a ton of fun over there at IS1. (For Geoff: that is sarcasm buddy).

I decided to give Shocker Toys a second chance...not Geoff, but Shocker Toys. I figured, hey I like the look of that Scud toy. If I can get it at Toys R Us or a LCBS and it looks like a decent fig I want to buy it.

So I have asked some pertinent questions over there. These are legit questions that I think any customer would have...because I am a potential customer, after all!

And Geoff has gone bug fuck crazy over there. I have had to read my replies very carefully before going on (and somehow I still make typos :rolleyes: ) because it's really not my intention to rile him up. Somebody needs to take his keyboard away. How many times does he have to create a new handle before he realizes that it doesn't disguise him? It makes you wonder if this is how he treats his employees...I mean generally customers are treated better than employees!

That huge thread has gone on and on simply because I asked for clarification on why the date for the second release was listed as September, June and maybe not at all.

Seriously, to answer this question all one had to do was say something along the lines of, "Well we first anticipated a June release, but with IS2 so close to that time we thought it better to hold it back, or maybe not release it at all in the foreseeable future. One reason would be because manufacturing that much product would be expensive, and two- flooding the market with 2 waves of our toys might make demand go down."

Doesn't have to be exactly that, because I don't know the reason...which is why I asked in the first place. And as you can see, other people DID chime in and try to give some explanations about the mix up. They were cordial and polite...but Pinto/Geoff just goes bonkers and starts up with 'trolls' this and 'trolls' that and name calling and all the rest.

It's so hard to maintain an interest in this figure when getting information from the company is like getting spit on.

[Pariah74]

Since I copied the above post at Indie Spotlight News, I thought I would post what I wrote over there as well. I have zero belief that this will have anything but the predictable result.




2nd post in a row! OMG only Pinto is allowed to do this without being a troll. But for you Geoff, I thought I would post exactly what I wrote at CBR about this.

[The post is above here, I don't need to post it here...this is getting rather meta.] (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8868283&postcount=49569)

Pinto, I really honestly truly think that if you take a deep breath, reread my questions in this thread, and take time to think about what I am saying in that copied text above and elsewhere in this thread. You can see that I am here because I want to buy something from you.

By acting the way you are, you driving potential customers to those who want to see you fail. I don’t give a crap about you, or your company…that means for good or for bad. All I am interested in is some plastic figures that will sit on my desk for awhile before I give them to my nephews.

What do you expect to happen when you threaten legal action against people like me? Or when you send nasty emails? Or when you call us names because we don’t like one of your figures? How about when make promises you can’t keep?

You can’t shove people and expect them to not shove back. You can’t open up work to feedback and then threaten people with facetious legal action when they say, “Dick Tracy looks like a female.”

80% of the people who have a problem with Shocker Toys were potential customers. I know, I am one, and I have spoken to them. The only way you’re going to get people to want to be your customers again is to treat them like they deserve to be treated…like the people that can make or break your business because that is exactly what they are. If you want to complain about them, do it at a bar with your friends. Not to our faces. You have alienated your customer base and all because you want to give the appearance that you are bigger than you are.

Nobody expects perfection. They only expect you to meet the promises you make, and admit when you fail. There’s no shame in that.

So before you finish reading, remember to take a deep breath, get a cup of tea, and relax in a hot tub and think about what I said before you hit reply.

This is the last time I will say anything to help you. If you can’t take it as help and choose to spit at me again…I’ll simply walk away. That’s all, I’ll just walk away. I mean, it doesn’t cost me anything to walk and tell more people how Shocker Toys treated me, you on the other hand lose potential sales.

Thanks for listening. The ball is in your court.

[SWH]

I predict the following...
- Pinto will claim to not be Geoff.
- He will then abuse you and insult you, making the same spelling and grammatical errors Geoff always does. But he's not Geoff.
- Despite not being Geoff, he will answer on his behalf. Anything that a member of the public could not possibly know, will be prefixed with "I hear". Cos, y'know, he's not Geoff.
- He will call you a troll. Several times.
- Within hours all the posts will be deleted from that thread.

Also, has anyone ever wondered why such a defensive fan of Shocker has never posted on their own forum? Where's Pinto over there?

Notice how the latest tactic, instead of Geoff saying stuff (which can then be called out as lies) is to pretend that there's "rumors" and things fans have "heard".

And Geoff is now claiming that he is not the ForumAdmin account which used to be him, having set up a new username, GeoffB.

[Toygeek]

It makes you wonder if this is how he treats his employees...I mean generally customers are treated better than employees!

Geoff doesn't HAVE employees...he has "unpaid interns". This is apparently true even if he tells you that you're an employee.

[CoffeeStained]

Hey Gail, how did you like Happy Harbour Comics? (Yes, off-topic.)

[Flying Saucers Over Oz]

She posted about it earlier. It should be a little ways down.

[friginator]

Got the other figures yesterday, and they range from "awesome" to "kind of frustrating". The sculpting is pretty good, but the great painting makes it look a whole lot better.

The Maxx: The torso, head, and arms are all made from soft, light plastic, to cut costs and keep the figure from being top-heavy. And it's actually pretty well done. Definitely a good idea. It's still poseable in pretty much any position, even though the shoulder's only swivel, instead of being balljoints like most toys today. The only problem is the sloppy paint on the hands, which have a green AND orange wash for some reason. But still, It's an awesome toy. It's MUCH more poseable and durable than I expected, and even with its minor flaws I still love it.

Shadowhawk: GAAGHH!! This figure is impossible to pose. The legs slide apart and the feet are way too small to stand up, and they only have ball joints which limit the angle you can move. Plus, the shoulder armor isn't attached to the figure in any way, so it falls off immediately and again when you try to pose it. Huh? And finally, the torso/chest joint doesn't work much, but the waist has a balljoint (which helps). I'm not sure if I'd call the articulation "bad," as there's plenty of it, but it doesn't work. And I'm not sure if the face is perfectly symmetrical, but it's not noticeable like some reviewers have said.

Katchoo: The hip joints work better than on Shadowhawk, but the feet are still too small. The head sculpt barely looks anything like the comics, as has been brought up before but the paint actually meets it halfway. It's kind of weird--there's just something kind of droopy and pink about the eyes that the figure captures. Though since the comic is black and white, it looks more like the covers than the interiors, but Katchoo is there somewhat, even with the differently-styled hair. Plus, she has scars on her wrist, which was a surprise. Maybe if I was more into the comic I would feel differently about it, but I like this one just fine. Plus she has a gun. I don't know if Katchoo ever picked up a gun in SiP, but it looks cool to pose with, and there's a second hand without the gun anyway.

Kabuki: I admit I only read one comic several years ago, and was so confused I couldn't care less about it to be honest. Though the figure is good, and the mask stays on (sort of.) I didn't know anything about the scars or the missing finger before I saw the reviews of this toy, but it sounds like a couple of really dumb mistakes on Shocker's part.

Believe it or not, I actually kind of wish I had ordered them all together now, so I wouldn't have to mail away for Mr. Gone now. Though I hope it'll be worth it--wait--what's that? Freaking Shadowhawk?! What?! That cape damn well better awesome!!

[THEDOC]

So over all how would you rate them and were they worth the wait and price. at least you sound somewhat happy so that is good, more than RO ever got from anyone.

[friginator]

I'm not sure if I would say they were worth the wait or not. The Maxx and Scud were. The others were definitely worth some of it. Overall I'm happy with them, and the price seems about right to me, considering we get extra hands, accessories, and Isz. Shadowhawk and Maxx were both better than the ones we got from McFarlane Toys, even if Shadowhawk doesn't stand up. As for Kabuki, I would rate her better than the previous one, but it all depends on what you're looking for, and how much you like the comic.

[Charles RB]

#26401 – Olney is using someone’s art as a Myspace background without permission; Danny Donovan has informed them

#26437 – Olney joins John Bryne’s message board; noted that the board bans some of Olney’s common acts

#26456 – the MVCN blog has posted a copy of a copyrighted interview with Stan Lee from Changes Magazine in 1971; “Barry Pearl, F.F.F.” is credited as having “resurface[ed]” it – Sarah Beach raises that unless Barry Pearl had permission from Stan Lee or Mike Bourne of Changes Magazine, this is illegal

#26468 – Tony Isabella is friends with Barry Pearl, and is contacting him to see if Olney had permission to use the interview

[Pariah74]

I'm not sure if I would say they were worth the wait or not. The Maxx and Scud were. The others were definitely worth some of it. Overall I'm happy with them, and the price seems about right to me, considering we get extra hands, accessories, and Isz. Shadowhawk and Maxx were both better than the ones we got from McFarlane Toys, even if Shadowhawk doesn't stand up. As for Kabuki, I would rate her better than the previous one, but it all depends on what you're looking for, and how much you like the comic.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I find it hard to see how this Maxx is better than the old one. It's the wrong color, the body proportions are not right, the paint is sloppy and they didn't even paint the feathers on the head dress. Not to mention the way all the "articulation" is what is obvious instead of the figure itself. The crotch especially just looks awful.

And as far as Kabuki, you don't see it as a failing that the people who like the comic probably won't be happy with the figure?

And Shadowhawk...that figure looks bad for a $15. The McFarlane 10 year anniversary one kicks its ass. Articulation or no.

[friginator]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I find it hard to see how this Maxx is better than the old one. It's the wrong color, the body proportions are not right, the paint is sloppy and they didn't even paint the feathers on the head dress. Not to mention the way all the "articulation" is what is obvious instead of the figure itself. The crotch especially just looks awful.

The Maxx is the right color. It's not all blue, like in some pictures, like here (http://www.shockertoys.com/packaging/maxx.jpg) or here (http://www.shockertoys.com/images/IndieSpotlight/Maxxsmall.jpg). The lightness of the costume has varied, and this is a little bit darker than some images, but it's not the color, it's how dark it is. The feathers have a light white airbrushing effect, but they're at least partly the same color as the headdress. The proportions have never been specific or consistent, but the sculpt gets the basics right. My only problem with that is the biceps, which are oddly shaped and too small at one end.

And yes, the articulation is noticeable on ALL of the figures, simply because they're articulated. It's no more obvious than on ANY figure with this level of articulation.

[Charles RB]

#26494 – Gail’s photo is on the MMC MySpace blog

#26521 – Sarah Beach notices Olney’s taken down the Stan Lee interview (#26456)

#26528 – Olney makes an unprovoked post on CBR poster Typo Lad’s blog, telling him “You’ll have your job long enough to lose it”’; pattern of harassing Typo (#17532 , 17967, 17970) and continues to refer to Typo’s real name against his wishes

#26548 – Jeff Austin says that when he was with Tightlip, Olney never finished writing any of his scripts

#26550 – Tony Isabella asks for the url of the page where Olney posted the Stan Lee interview, as Barry Pearl (#26456, 26468) asked for it; Barry also wants the urls of several other Olney pages

[THEDOC]

Gee I can't wait till the part where RO calls IF a hate group.:smile:

[J.R. LeMar]

Coming up on 6 months since he's been "active." He was offline for over 7 months before, and then turned up again still threatening people with lawsuits. Wonder when he'll resurface again?

[Charles RB]

If he follows the same pattern, just over a month...

[Charles RB]

#26555 – Matt Doc says the page in question is now set to Friends Only

#26578 – Olney laughs about it being Friends Only; Doc Absurd points out this means he’s laughing in the face of the copyright holder, points out Olney has ruined the MVCN’s ability to bring in new readers in just a month

#26610 – Tony Isabella has forwarded information to Barry Pearl

#26616 – the text under Olney’s Myspace avatar: “Lil Danny touches himself a lot... please put a comic book in his hands instead”; probably a dig at Danny Donovan [which Olney MySpace page is unspecified, but is mentioned in the context of a MVCN discussion]

#26617 – Dennis Kininger just set Gail an angry letter

#26618 – Sarah Beach sees that Olney’s now changed his avatar text, within forty minutes of CBR noticing it

[Charles RB]

Two posts for the price of one!

#26629, 26630 – MVCN now has the listing “Long as you're coming here and commenting elsewhere, lil monkey... you're being fed by me!”; MacQuarrie notes this clashes with Olney’s pretence that MVCN is a group project and not him solo

#26631 – Tom Stillwell has been helping someone Olney owes, reports Olney owes the man so much that it is impossible for Tom to give him enough to cover it

#26640 – Val Staples has still not been sued by Olney

#26649 – Olney is quoted by Matt Doc [from the Noses Optional forum on Comics Genesis, #26655) as saying he’s going to attend Pittsburgh Comicon in 2008, and plans a “HUGE presence” [he didn’t attend]; Dennis is quoted as saying he’ll vouch for Olney

#26651, 26654, 26557 – Gail is surprised by Dennis’ quote, as in his new letter “he ADMITS that Rick is a scumbag about paying”; says Dennis aspires to writes comics with Olney’s help and plans to help at the next MMC, and that he told her he has nothing to do with Olney’s business practices; tells Dennis that by vouching for someone he admits elsewhere is a cheat, he is partially responsible for everyone Olney cheats

#276659 – Gail states she has a letter from Dennis about him staying with Noses Optional “that gave me the serious creeps”

#26660, 26669 – Olney makes status updates baiting Matt Doc

#26666 – Tom Stillwell reports Olney has been trolling DeviantArt for foreign artists

#26677 – Olney has removed the status updates and put up two new posts: Olney again claims he’s manipulating the CBR thread and will soon be responsible for destroying the careers of “several comic book writers” etc

#26699 – Gail has seen Olney twice blame all his unpaid debts on Dennis, and Dennis admit at least three times (“including today”) that Olney is a bad businessman who doesn’t pay debts & throws fits on the Internet; notes this contradicts their public claim to be great and trusted friends

#26700 – Lance Boucher is emailed by Olney: Olney says he “doesn’t want to ruin you”, gives him a last chance to walk away from the CBR thread, threatens to “dedicate the rest of my life to repaying you for every mean thing you've ever said about me” if Lance doesn’t; insinuates Ian Shires will be sued; outright states “I am never going to give money to [Doc Absurd]. Never.” – Lance declines the offer [he has not yet been sued]

[J.R. LeMar]

#26700 – Lance Boucher is emailed by Olney: Olney says he “doesn’t want to ruin you”, gives him a last chance to walk away from the CBR thread, threatens to “dedicate the rest of my life to repaying you for every mean thing you've ever said about me” if Lance doesn’t; insinuates Ian Shires will be sued; outright states “I am never going to give money to [Doc Absurd]. Never.” – Lance declines the offer [he has not yet been sued]

I'm not going to go look up the old post, but I think I recall most of that one. It was a funny example of how absolutely clueless he was/is. I guess that because he was able to scare people into silence for so many years, due to people being ignorant about the true extant of his lies, it was hard for him to accept that it just wasn't working anymore.

This thread, and the various LITG columns, as well as reports by Heidi McDonald and others, had exposed him completely. Long after it became obvious to everyone that he didn't have any lawyers, and no intentions or abilities to file any lawsuits against anyone (he couldn't even respond to small claim court cases filed against him), he still seemed to think that threatening to sue people would shut them up. And that exchange above was one of the most ridiculous. "I'm warning you, one last chance, stop saying mean things about me on the internet, or I will dedicate my life to destroying you!"

Ooh, scary.

[Charles RB]

I'm not going to go look up the old post

I am! :wink:


Hey look what I got:


Lance:

I am going to give you one last chance to divest yourself from the name calling and active libel that you've engaged against me on CBR. I realize that the bunch of you are not smart enough to figure that lawsuits are going to be initiated against individual websites besides CBR and the YABS forum specifically. And, well, I thought I'd give you one last chance to step back and mind your own business. I don't want to ruin you.

So take this last chance for what it is, or simply go on and I promise you that I will dedicate the rest of my life to repaying you for every mean thing you've ever said about me. Don't be stupid. Who do you know that would realistically put up with all that name calling abuse without taking legal action. Beyond that, get it into your head that I am never going to give money to Tim Tobolski. Never.

So, there it is.

Be like Shires and get treated like him. I do not care. Or you can walk away and watch from a distance to see who amongst the CBR YABS libel group will fall and either settle out of court or face off in court. Your last chance.
--
Sincerely,
--Rick

He must be bored. Sorry Ian that your name was mentioned.


As you say, he didn't seem to realise no one was scared anymore.

[TomStillwell]

I don't want to ruin you.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

[Charles RB]

#26701 – Tom Stillwell is going to turn his “very thick” Olney file over to Matt Doc

#26706 – Two people from the MVCN have sent Gail a transcript of a Dennis post: Dennis says he’s helping Olney in the MVCN venture by acting as moderator, says he is unbothered by the CBR “smear campaigns”, says Olney is a “basically decent guy” who he’s only had fair dealings with – Gail notes he wrote this on the same day as he emailed her (#26651, 26654)

#26707 – James Owen has emails of an exchange between Jason Dube and Finney Gage, where Jason discussed his Tightlip work and payment; James notes this should be a violation of Olney’s NDA, and that if Olney approved it he’s undercut his own NDA defence

#26714 – Danny Donovan says Dennis has a history of saying one thing about Olney in private and another thing elsewhere

#26716 – Glenn Barbis once sent books to Olney under Collect on Delivery; Olney never picked them up and spent almost two months trying to get Glenn to let him have them & pay later

#26738 – Tom Stillwell thinks it’s time for him to start a file on Dennis

#26745 – KJ_81 told Olney that she informed her local comic store about him, just in case he ever solicits anything; he threatened to contact her ISP and get her Internet banned

#26752 – Gail received a “nasty little note” from Dennis that uses her real name and threatens to reveal it publicly; Dennis got her name wrong

#26758 – Gail got another email from someone who Olney approached, is asking permission to post it on CBR

[THEDOC]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

My sentiment exactly Tom, wow he ruined me so much I published 3 book held two conventions and have found new artists, Thanks for ruining me Rick.
So another month before he might appear again? can't wait if it does happen.

Gail, would like to reimburse you if you could send me scans of the Fresh issues you've as for better or worse they are part of Fandom history.
I'd like anyone (Sam, Wade, Tim) to tell me how they got involved with RO and how was it like (before he showed his true colors).

[Charles RB]

"I don't want to ruin you. Now do this or I'll spend my whole life trying to ruin you!"

[FeminineMystique]

Good god. This asshole is like a walking collection of appaling American stereotypes. The obnoxious behaviour, sexism, homophobia and threatening to sue every five seconds. I'm curious, did he take the short bus to school?

And for all his bullshit about suing people did he EVER actually carry out legal action of any kind?

[Matt Algren]

::snif:: Olney's back!

http://betterlate.wordpress.com/files/2009/05/olney051109.png

[TomStillwell]

I notice that he no longer claims to do anything other than read comic books. Maybe he's finally taking his meds and reality (somewhat) has set in.

Clearly he's still reading this. Rick, you may have found some way to keep your trap shut these many months but keep in mind whether you're silent or not we are still watching.

[ArchetypeOne]

I'd like anyone (Sam,Wade, Tim) to tell me how they got involved with RO and how was it like (before he showed his true colors).
Thanks for dragging me back into this. lol

Early 2003 RO was already fully ensconced in Dimestore/SPA as a co-admin. I offered my services as book reviewer for the small press news/review zine that Ian was publishing at the time and so I became active in posting to the forum there and participating in chats.

There was one chat later in the year that RO was part of. Post-chat time after Ian left that night, RO started railing on about someone who he (misperceptually?) believed really treated him badly. Ian ultimately edited all of it out of the posted transcript.

Something started to seem a little bit off at that point.

I was interacting with Dennis a this point on the ORCA sub forum at D/SPA in posts and had no problem there.

The "bad printer" incident occurred in early 2004. Four publishers went through Ian to get their printing done. At least one of them I know personally. The four got their money back. Others went to the printer direct, not using Ian as the middleman.

Somewhere along the way Ian banned RO from D/SPA. Ian already explained the reason for that.

In 2005 RO wasn't answering Ian's emails regarding MMC reimbursement so Ian took it to the Small Press Palaver Yahoo group. RO responded with smoke and mirrors, misdirecting attention back on Ian, wrongfully claiming that he was responsible for repaying those who went around him being the middleman directly to the "bad printer". After the flame war there was a messy split in ranks. Many chose sides. I was among the few who remained neutral and even signed up at the MMC and the ICC because I wanted to stay in touch with a couple of them that sided with RO. It felt like a very uneasy truce with RO trying to find if I had any buttons to push. I was really waiting for the other shoe to drop and the truth to come out.

And here we are...!

[Charles RB]

::snif:: Olney's back!

http://betterlate.wordpress.com/files/2009/05/olney051109.png

Logged!
.

[J.R. LeMar]

Wow. He sure told all of us off, didn't he?

[JTPencils]

Hmmm.... so every 6 months he's allowed what... three minutes on a computer? Sounds like he's hard at work on getting his library card updated or something, and they have him on a timer for usage.

[J.R. LeMar]

He doesn't have time to post on his blog anymore because he's too busy consulting with his legal teams, preparing those massive multiple lawsuits that he's going to be filing against everyone on that lengthy list of his. It's only taking so long because he wants to make sure he has airtight cases for each charge (libel, cyberbulling, breach of contract, criminal fraud, etc.). Plus he still has to get the judgment against him by Scott Reed overturned, like he vowed to do. Yes, I know that the statute of limitations have long passed, but that's why his lawyers have spent the past couple of YEARS figuring out a way around that.

You'll see, the lawsuits are all just around the corner!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

::snif:: Olney's back!

http://betterlate.wordpress.com/files/2009/05/olney051109.png

It doesn't seem like he's back. It was just a quick drive by and then there he goes. He seems to have lost the will to post long rambling bullshit or proclaim that 2009 will have a Mighty Mini-Con again. Maybe he knows ...we all know he's a failure.

[OzBat!]

Hahahahahaaaa! Rick "you don't get paid without fulfilling your contract" Olney ??!!

BWAHHHH-HAHAHAAAAHAAAHAAAA!

Rick, Rick, Rick.. you've definitely been paid for stiffing everybody you've come in contact with. You've paid with a shredded, absolute non-trustworthy, deadbeat lying conniving illiterate reputation. Has the last twelve months hiding from everybody and the various court non-appearances and lack of MMC or newsletters or, well, anything else, been good for you?

[CutterMike]

It doesn't seem like he's back. It was just a quick drive by and then there he goes. He seems to have lost the will to post long rambling bullshit or proclaim that 2009 will have a Mighty Mini-Con again. Maybe he knows ...we all know he's a failure.

Oh, but he ALWAYS starts out light.

...a few lines here and there, a threat or two, a couple of sexist slurs, s-l-o-w-l-y building up a head of steam until, after a few weeks, he's in full Frothy Dog mode...

I mean, you don't just leap into the whole Exorcist-style head-spinning and pea-soup spewing right off the bat, for heaven's sake -- where's the art in THAT...? Where's the FINESSE...? Setting the stage is the most important part for a truly classic meltdown!

It takes TIME to create a "Goos night, Pukee!", you know... You've got to build up to it.

Right now is the time to get a drink and a big bowl of popcorn, settle into your chair, and watch the Master go to work.

[Charles RB]

Indeed.

Set Condition One throughout the board.

This is not a drill.

[Cam63]

Rick " I still spell my Christian name with a silent P " Olney.

[Gail Simone]

I'm so busy fighting the dozens of lawsuits he's initiated against me that I don't have time to post. Sorry!


Oh, wait, it was just more of him being a moronic, cowardly, empty gasbag, and the threats he's been making against people who have repeated his own words were all just toothless, juvenile pretending.

You still suck, Rick! Still a talentless, lying deadbeat bigot!

How are all those HUGE FAKE NEVER-GONNA-HAPPEN projects going?

WHAT?

None of them have happened?

But, man, you were so SURE!

Loser. ;)

[Gail Simone]

And once again may I add, Charles, you rock.

[Val]

#26640 – Val Staples has still not been sued by Olney


Oh yes... the good days. Olney's lawsuit threats.
*sniff*
:tongue:

[JTPencils]

I'm so busy fighting the dozens of lawsuits he's initiated against me that I don't have time to post. Sorry!


Oh, wait, it was just more of him being a moronic, cowardly, empty gasbag, and the threats he's been making against people who have repeated his own words were all just toothless, juvenile pretending.

You still suck, Rick! Still a talentless, lying deadbeat bigot!

How are all those HUGE FAKE NEVER-GONNA-HAPPEN projects going?

WHAT?

None of them have happened?

But, man, you were so SURE!

Loser. ;)

I heard he's got you so tied up with litigation, Gail, that you don't have time to write great comics... oh wait, you DO... guess he got that part of it wrong too!

I'm kinda looking forward to the eventual meltdown... it's like a train wreck... you can't help but watch.

[Gail Simone]

Oh yes... the good days. Olney's lawsuit threats.
*sniff*
:tongue:

Hey, how long after you worked for him was it that he first threatened to sue you, Val?

And isn't it weird that a lying deadbeat thinks courts would have a favorable opinion of him, considering that he's a lying deadbeat who lies and is a deadbeat, thus making him a lying deadbeat?

[J.R. LeMar]

Here's the earliest I could find (since, if y'all recall, he went back & deleted many of his first posts here) of him threatening Val Staples:


Well... I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all comes out then, right?

You'll hear from those involved soon enough. I'm taking action against you, remember? Wait until we get set and file before you file a countersuit.

"Soon enough." That was Jan. 6, 2007. Almost 2 1/2 years later, and still no lawsuit, against him or anyone.

Those are some bad-ass legal teams ya got there, Rick O.

[ArchetypeOne]

Oh, but he ALWAYS starts out light.

...a few lines here and there, a threat or two, a couple of sexist slurs, s-l-o-w-l-y building up a head of steam until, after a few weeks, he's in full Frothy Dog mode...

I had a Frothy Dog at Dairy Queen just the other day...

Mmm mmm.

I can't wait.

[CutterMike]

(...)
I'm kinda looking forward to the eventual meltdown... it's like a train wreck... you can't help but watch.

(Leans back in chair, stares at screen in anticipation and continues munching popcorn...)

[OzBat!]

I heard he's got you so tied up with litigation, Gail, that you don't have time to write great comics... oh wait, you DO... guess he got that part of it wrong too!Yeah, he sure ruined YOUR token comics career, gail!

[Coppervale Studio]

I'm actually impressed with you people - I go off to write some novels, and when I pop back in this thread is STILL on the first page.

As regards Rick: two lines on a blog in six months - that's so underwhelming it defies comment.

[Flying Saucers Over Oz]

Well, he wanted to make sure all the words were spelled correctly this time...

[J.R. LeMar]

I'm actually impressed with you people - I go off to write some novels, and when I pop back in this thread is STILL on the first page.

That was mostly due to a few months of thread-drift caused by Shocker Toys.
Personally, I'm glad to see this thread back on topic.

[Cam63]

Well, at least Shocker Toys delivered a product... of sorts.

[MacQuarrie]

That was mostly due to a few months of thread-drift caused by Shocker Toys.
Personally, I'm glad to see this thread back on topic.
It was still on-topic. Geoff Beckett is the Bizarro-Olney, an inferior duplicate. In this case, inferior means marginally more competent.

[friginator]

Well, at least Shocker Toys delivered a product... of sorts.

Pretty good product, actually.

Glad Olney's back. Guy should write a book.

[Cam63]

He needs to sell SOMETHING.

[JTPencils]

Pretty good product, actually.

Glad Olney's back. Guy should write a book.

He'd barely be able to write a pamphlet. And even that would be a failure.

[Cam63]

His wife writes their shopping list, otherwise he'd have starved yonks ago.

[Val]

Hey, how long after you worked for him was it that he first threatened to sue you, Val?

And isn't it weird that a lying deadbeat thinks courts would have a favorable opinion of him, considering that he's a lying deadbeat who lies and is a deadbeat, thus making him a lying deadbeat?

It was after I posted on here. Thus, when I spoke up about my experience.
So, whenever the heck that was. :D

He didn't do much threatening, though.
I never really engaged him over e-mail. I knew it would be useless to argue with him.

[DocAbsurd]

Glad Olney's back. Guy should write a book.

He'd have to read one first.

[Charles RB]

I wonder what he actually HAS been doing in the last six months? He's clearly not been trying any comics, fanzines, or conventions, and I doubt he got a 9-to-5 job.

[dragonbat]

Trying to write three consecutive coherent sentences?

[JTPencils]

I wonder what he actually HAS been doing in the last six months? He's clearly not been trying any comics, fanzines, or conventions, and I doubt he got a 9-to-5 job.

I'd laugh my butt off if he was actually "doing" six months... and is now being allowed to return home on a work release deal.

[Charles RB]

I'd laugh my butt off if he was actually "doing" six months... and is now being allowed to return home on a work release deal.

Don't taunt me with nice things. :frown:

[THEDOC]

Thanks for dragging me back into this. lol

Early 2003 RO was already fully ensconced in Dimestore/SPA as a co-admin. I offered my services as book reviewer for the small press news/review zine that Ian was publishing at the time and so I became active in posting to the forum there and participating in chats.

There was one chat later in the year that RO was part of. Post-chat time after Ian left that night, RO started railing on about someone who he (misperceptually?) believed really treated him badly. Ian ultimately edited all of it out of the posted transcript.

Something started to seem a little bit off at that point.

I was interacting with Dennis a this point on the ORCA sub forum at D/SPA in posts and had no problem there.

The "bad printer" incident occurred in early 2004. Four publishers went through Ian to get their printing done. At least one of them I know personally. The four got their money back. Others went to the printer direct, not using Ian as the middleman.

Somewhere along the way Ian banned RO from D/SPA. Ian already explained the reason for that.

In 2005 RO wasn't answering Ian's emails regarding MMC reimbursement so Ian took it to the Small Press Palaver Yahoo group. RO responded with smoke and mirrors, misdirecting attention back on Ian, wrongfully claiming that he was responsible for repaying those who went around him being the middleman directly to the "bad printer". After the flame war there was a messy split in ranks. Many chose sides. I was among the few who remained neutral and even signed up at the MMC and the ICC because I wanted to stay in touch with a couple of them that sided with RO. It felt like a very uneasy truce with RO trying to find if I had any buttons to push. I was really waiting for the other shoe to drop and the truth to come out.

And here we are...!

Oh Tim my old chum, I'd knew you'd come through. Gee RO really gave it to us AND degrade three special groups of people, nice going RO, taking your cue from Limbaugh?
I'll donate $500 to his favorite charity (St; Jude's?) and pay his way, if he comes to The 2009 Jam and answer some questions.

[ArchetypeOne]

That wasn't Tim, that was me. You and Tim were the one's, well, and Marty too, that offered to draw pinups for me and I felt compelled to try and stay in touch. RO kept trying to bait me by teasing that I was an Ian plebe and lacky. Just wouldn't stick. A seemingly innocent yet slightly creepazoid reply on the MMC forum about a link to a convention pic of me wouldn't fly either. I just kept quiet.

[Cam63]

I love how some arsehole claims others he tried to bully into submission, who are actually producing something they are not, are some kind of plebe, lackey or failure.

Rick, you should repent and apologize at the very least.

[Gail Simone]

Trying to write three consecutive coherent sentences?

Man, when you get a zinger in, it's always awesome. :)

[Charles RB]

I'm still scratching my head over that "fandumb" slur.

So, he's slagging fandom in-toto off?

[websbestcomics]

Well, you know Rick Olney is sick. He was probably Baker Acted. Sometimes I think the best medicine for him is to just shut down this thread and ignore him. And yet people need to know who this guy is so they aren't conned by him in the future, should he ever find the means to stalk the internet again, and ratchet down his batshit crazy behavior long enough to rip someone else off. Honestly, I think he's so far gone right now that no one could ever be caught up in one of his schemes again.

So it's a catch-22, because we know that he enjoys all of this attention, and if he's a sociopath then he probably can't distinguish between positive and negative attention. It's all the same to him. This was the guy who self-proclaimed he was 'the most hated man in comics', as some sort of catchy slogan. And yet he's not 'in' comics. He's a roving nuisance on the Internet, full of asinine posturing and 110% bullshit. Mostly, he's a proven liar and a thief, a loser who lives on gov't assistance and pretends to be the next Stan Lee. If it weren't so sad it would be hilarious.

Welcome back, Rick. You weren't missed!

[THEDOC]

That wasn't Tim, that was me. You and Tim were the one's, well, and Marty too, that offered to draw pinups for me and I felt compelled to try and stay in touch. RO kept trying to bait me by teasing that I was an Ian plebe and lacky. Just wouldn't stick. A seemingly innocent yet slightly creepazoid reply on the MMC forum about a link to a convention pic of me wouldn't fly either. I just kept quiet.

Sorry Wade ol buddy, I see Monty Python and think of Tim, put a Hayden photo up. The meds I am taking for my pain seems to be confusing me somewhat.
Don't remember that stuff about a con photo. RO is a idiot.

[Charles RB]

And yet people need to know who this guy is so they aren't conned by him in the future, should he ever find the means to stalk the internet again, and ratchet down his batshit crazy behavior long enough to rip someone else off.

As long as this thread's here, he can't ratchet down his behaviour. He's shown he keeps wrecking his new projects by his need to score points against us and get people to think we're the baddies.

And that's no bad thing.

[ArchetypeOne]

Sorry Wade ol buddy, I see Monty Python and think of Tim, put a Hayden photo up. The meds I am taking for my pain seems to be confusing me somewhat.
Don't remember that stuff about a con photo. RO is a idiot.
That's the brigadier from the original Doctor Who, but I can see how he looks a little like John Cleese/Basil Fawlty. Do you REALLY want me to put up that Hayden Panettiere avatar? I still have it. I may look for a more updated one as that was a promo pic before they started production of the show and she was still... um... 16.

If I remember right, I posted the link to the con pic on MMC about 2 months before the the forum went down but the front page of the site remained up. It would've been easy to miss in that little amount of time and I think back then you were on the outs with RO, so I wouldn't blame you for not seeing the link.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Ok this thread is a few months old. But so far a few customers of ComicSupply.com have had issues with late books , some not arriving at all and strings of promises/lies by the person in charge. Heres the link.


http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=232981

I don't know if Un-Screwed looks into bad online-retailers who promise to ship books or not. But I do feel for the customers involved in this.

[Samuel Catalino]

That's the brigadier from the original Doctor Who, but I can see how he looks a little like John Cleese/Basil Fawlty. Do you REALLY want me to put up that Hayden Panettiere avatar? I still have it. I may look for a more updated one as that was a promo pic before they started production of the show and she was still... um... 16.

If I remember right, I posted the link to the con pic on MMC about 2 months before the the forum went down but the front page of the site remained up. It would've been easy to miss in that little amount of time and I think back then you were on the outs with RO, so I wouldn't blame you for not seeing the link.

Nicholas Courtney (the Brigadier or Sir as he is now in the Doctor Who series) does not look like that any more, being that he is completely silver and now wears a beard. He did appear recently in an Sarah Jane adventure.

I got a chance to see him again this past March and he is not in the best of health. We chatted about the last time I saw him about twenty years ago when he was in Florida with Ian Marter. He remembered Ian fondly Ian having passed about 20 years ago.

He still has his voice, and it was good to see him again. I do have a photo of him in a group shot with me, Tom Baker, Mary Tamm, Louise Jameson, John Leeson, Stuart Fell, Gilly Brown and the rubber chicken.

[Charles RB]

I got a chance to see him again this past March and he is not in the best of health.

Sadly unsurprising - he's nearly 80. :frown:

[THEDOC]

Arghh, you're right Wade. Dang this headache and meds must be screwing up my memory.
Interesting thread ECW about that online supplier.

[Samuel Catalino]

Sadly unsurprising - he's nearly 80. :frown:

Yes, in December. For a 79 year old man he is doing okay though. He was lucid and stood in the group photos as did Tom Baker (who is not that well himself either).that day, although Tom was a bit more engaging.

Mr Courtney is always a gentleman, and was a bit misty eyed when I brought up Ian Marter.

[MacQuarrie]

Ok this thread is a few months old. But so far a few customers of ComicSupply.com have had issues with late books , some not arriving at all and strings of promises/lies by the person in charge. Heres the link.


http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=232981

I don't know if Un-Screwed looks into bad online-retailers who promise to ship books or not. But I do feel for the customers involved in this.

We'll look into it. Thanks.

[Charles RB]

#26781 – Olney insinuates Gail is threatening the Pittsburgh convention into turning Olney away in 2008; Olney also calls her “Tamryn”, which he believes is her real name - Gail states her name isn’t Tamryn, says that predicting he wouldn’t be at the convention isn’t the same as a threat

#26789 – Olney defends stealing the Stan Lee interview for the MVCN blog (#26456), with one defence appearing to be that it was only a Friends only post; he also accuses Barry Pearl of being at fault by not mentioning a copyright, and keeps referring to Barry Pearl as “Barry Pearl” (w/ quotes), saying he’s unsure if that’s Barry’s real name; he emailed Barry saying attention was drawn to his post “as if a copyright was broken”, asks if there’s a problem; Barry replies that there was, and he doesn’t want Olney copying without permission again
- Barry then posted to the Old School Marvel Fans mailing list saying he cannot place any more articles on the list because of the threat of them being copied without permission, which Olney dismisses as him causing “DRAMA” and making a private matter public; accuses Tony Isabella of deliberately causing conflict and drama

#26791, 26794 – poster Jared_Humpherys noted that Olney is insulting Tony for being correct that Olney is stealing copyrighted material; Sarah Beach notes Olney is saying Tony called attention to the article, when in fact she did it; Sarah raises that Olney could have just linked to the article if he wanted to show it to other people

#26799, 26800 – inker Jim Tournas won his suit against Olney over three covers and ten Monster Squad pages, as Olney did not turn up to court [this is the third or fourth time this has happened now]; Jim Tournas says will scan the disposition when he gets it

#26806 – Stressfactor notes that Olney claimed (#26789) that Barry Pearl didn’t state copyright, yet Barry had said in the original post that he was using the interview in a book; also notes copyright automatically goes to whoever wrote something unless they state otherwise

#26810 – Gail has received another letter from a pro artist who Olney approached (to draw Freedom 3); “he’s got some very interesting things to say”

-

Now brace yourselves people, there's one big Olney fit coming next...

[Charles RB]

Duck and cover!

#26813 – Olney has posted another rant, still referring to Gail as Tamryn and viewing her real name as a major secret (also uses variations and “Tamara”); Olney claims the MVCN has over forty members “on the local level” and that it’ll grow rapidly when a new website goes up “by late summer” [this did not happen]; continues to claim she was threatening him; mocks Gail for misspelling “cancelled”, even though she spelt it correctly [he appears to think it’s “canceled”]
- Olney claims he’s got “four stable artists” on comics who are being paid and are finishing books [which never appeared]; claims he never offered shot glasses at MMC but offered tumblers, and this is “revisionist history” (ignoring the real issue is that he couldn’t make them); claims ORCA’s “core is already being rebuilt”, and claims that soon “parents, teachers and librarians” will side against her, making her a liability for DC; randomly attacks Sarah Beach, claiming she’s “just another female writer craving attention” and claiming she has a mole
- Olney threatens Gail: “I'll be trotting out your full name and address, along with telephone number soon”

#26815 – Glenn Barbis notices Olney is complaining about threats while making an actionable threat

#26817 – Typo Lad notes the misogyny in “just another female writer”

#26819 – Olney post a cartoon of a gorilla throwing faeces on the MVCN page, under title “EVEN FEEDING MONKEY’S [sic] PRODUCES RESULTS!” [the image is no longer hosted, but described at the time in #26835]

#26835 – James Owen notes that Olney is throwing a fit on the same day he lost a court case by default

#26841 – Danny Donovan briefly sums up copyright, notes that posting copyrighted material on MVCN without linking to the original post would appear to be taking credit; wonders why Olney calls YABS an “east coast hate group” when the thread’s posters are scattered across the globe

[LomiMonet]

Just doing my quarterly check-in for any Olneyness. No? All quiet? hmmmm...

This thread is the online equivalent of a head on a pike for comic grifters everywhere, keep up the good work. :)

Lomi

[J.R. LeMar]

--Olney claims the MVCN has over forty members “on the local level” --

Must be those same 40 people who showed up (after paying for tickets in advance, which sold out) to his top secret 2007 MMC which he held in the woods somewhere, and they all sat around a campfire talking about comic-books.

[Charles RB]

I'm glad he confirmed that people joining the Hohawk Valley Comic Network were from the Valley.

[ArchetypeOne]

Nicholas Courtney (the Brigadier or Sir as he is now in the Doctor Who series) does not look like that any more, being that he is completely silver and now wears a beard. He did appear recently in an Sarah Jane adventure.

I got a chance to see him again this past March and he is not in the best of health. We chatted about the last time I saw him about twenty years ago when he was in Florida with Ian Marter. He remembered Ian fondly Ian having passed about 20 years ago.

He still has his voice, and it was good to see him again. I do have a photo of him in a group shot with me, Tom Baker, Mary Tamm, Louise Jameson, John Leeson, Stuart Fell, Gilly Brown and the rubber chicken.
Cool cool! I met him, got an autograph, and a pic with him 24 years ago at a rare one-off Doctor Who con at Western Washington University. I think we touched on this before earlier in this thread.

That's it. I just may change my avatar to Hayden Panettiere... or someone else...

I was baffled at the time of RO suggesting the idea of the ICC providing health insurance for small pressers. Either he was that wealthy or... obviously not.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Arghh, you're right Wade. Dang this headache and meds must be screwing up my memory.
Interesting thread ECW about that online supplier.


We'll look into it. Thanks.

Thanks guys....been meaning to post the link but my mind kept slippin and would forget. Finally I remembered it.

[Danny Donovan]

Wow, Charles sent me a link with his little missive on Friday, just got around to checking it out and came back to see if this thread is still here, and boy howdy is it!

Good to see everyone still trying to make the dirtbag honest.

I am curious to see what "see you in six months" is? That's October another Spooky scam? Like the "countdown to FRESH"?

I am sure it'll be an amusing meltdown.

[J.R. LeMar]

I am curious to see what "see you in six months" is?

I think he was just referring to the fact that we were pointing out that he had been "offline" for 6 months, so far, & were wondering when he'd show up again. Noting that his previous record of silence was 7 months. So, proving that he's monitoring this thread constantly, despite multiple denials in the past that he does so, he decided to pop up on his worthless blog that nobody but the folks here ever read, just to post that little idiot comment.

[Charles RB]

So, proving that he's monitoring this thread constantly, despite multiple denials in the past that he does so, he decided to pop up on his worthless blog that nobody but the folks here ever read, just to post that little idiot comment.

Yet he's not responding to all the stuff raised about what he did and how wrong he is. That's surprisingly restrained of him!

[FeminineMystique]

Yet he's not responding to all the stuff raised about what he did and how wrong he is. That's surprisingly restrained of him!

Maybe someones put him on medication that restrains his asshole tendencies?

[Charles RB]

#26852 – DocAbsurd notes the MVCN has been around for two months and not produced a single newsletter

#26876 – Tom Stillwell asks if the Olney warnings can be translated into Spanish and Portuguese, as Olney is approaching foreign artists who speak those languages

#26890 – Gail has contacted the local police over Olney’s threat (#26813)

#26894 – Matt Doc is going to call Salvation Army “on Monday” to verify Olney had no permission to use their name when promoting the MMC, and then contact the NY Attorney General’s office again

#26895 – Matt Doc has PDFs of Olney’s threats

[Czarcasm]

Maybe someones put him on medication that restrains his asshole tendencies?Preparation H?

[CoffeeStained]

Maybe someones put him on medication that restrains his asshole tendencies?Cyanide pills?

[Charles RB]

Wow, a whole week and no further update. He is restrained these days!

[Matt Algren]

Wow, a whole week and no further update. He is restrained these days!
I have a feeling he's busy under a pseudonym*. His blogger profile is now unaccessible, meaning he may be operating another blog with it.



*Irony, I know.

[Charles RB]

I have a feeling he's busy under a pseudonym*. His blogger profile is now unaccessible, meaning he may be operating another blog with it.

Hurm. I wonder how we'd track him?

[Matt Algren]

Hurm. I wonder how we'd track him?
Shit floats.

[Charles RB]

I was bored shitless and randomly Googled for a few minutes. No sign of Olney , though Dennis is doing small-press stuff. I've found Olney has a Facebook but no sign of any use - Dennis has one but Olney's not a Friend on it (ho ho ho).

[Cam63]

Aw, dat's sad.

[THEDOC]

Oh RO will trip himself up somewhere and reveal himself. Just give it time.

[Flying Saucers Over Oz]

He's out in the woods somewhere making a computer out of twigs and bark with his own two hands... :tongue:

[Flying Saucers Over Oz]

But, having built it, he has trouble getting to it because it's on a slight incline...

[Charles RB]

For Tamryn!

#26939 – Olney threatens Lance Boucher that he’ll “drag your broke ass to court” and that people have gone to court “and have lost” for acting like Lance has

#26945 – Olney takes Dash Martin’s Freedom 3 art of the MMC Myspace; Olney’s had redesigns of Freedom 3 done, Eagle’s is noted to be similar to DC’s Black Condor

#26961 – the MMC is not in any convention listings, despite it taking place in six weeks time

#26968 – Gail recounts Olney had a bad reputation even before he was exposed, and that he was disliked at the MMC she attended

#26981 – Howler is going to try and contact one of Olney’s new artists

#26982 – the Freedom 3 redesigns have “copyright and trademark 1999 Rick Olney and Tightlip Entertainment” at the bottom of each design, indicating Olney’s not promising co-ownership to the artists this time

#26986 – Colleen Doran explains how dodgy publishers attempt to steal trademarks

#26988 – Gail has talked to the police over Olney’s threat (#26813) and has been referred to someone she’ll talk to “on Monday”

[Cam63]

Charles... you do good work.

[THEDOC]

Yes Charles, my broke ass is still waiting to be dragged by RO, though kids, don't try that at home.

[Charles RB]

Yes Charles, my broke ass is still waiting to be dragged by RO

But we'll talk about Olney's lack-of sex life later. :wink:

[THEDOC]

But we'll talk about Olney's lack-of sex life later. :wink:

LOL. :rolleyes: Yeah, should have worded that better.

[Charles RB]

#27012 – James Owen has seen an email where Olney “basically tells someone (who is going through a bad patch) that he hopes they DIE”; is waiting for permission to name the man

#27025 – Matt Doc posts a transcript of an Olney post: continues to call Gail “Tamryn”, states she’s controlling people and that he knows her “fame is fleeting”, claims he’s in physically good condition and could beat people up, claims Matt Doc stole his name from an artist

#27027 – Magneto_X wonders how Olney can get Gail’s name wrong when, due to her being an MMC guest, he should know it

#27034 – James Owen reports that Olney “went postal” on one of his MVCN members and then banned her because he though she was Gail Simone (and because Tom Stillwell contacted her, #27036; Olney thinks the woman was Nat Gertler)

#27036 – James also reports that Olney has posted insults against Matt Doc, Nat Gertler, and Paul Smith in a new MVCN post (transcribed #27050), with an added comment “that’s basically a threat”

#27048 – Olney states he’s going on holiday for ten days; Bluecove notes he’s doing this when his convention is only six weeks away

#27051 – Gail believes Olney lost all his records of his dealings with her, and that’s why he can’t remember her name

#27062 – Bluecove says she joined the MVCN and was let in without any problems or accusations, even though she didn’t post

#27067 – James Owen reports that the banned woman had been asked to be on the new ORCA board “just a day or two earlier”; she’s said asking Olney about Tom Stillwell set him off

[Charles RB]

There is a photo out there with me in fishnet stockings, but to the best of my knowledge it's not on the Internet -- it's only in a book on folks who perform along with the Rocky Horror Picture Show.


Heh. I was Riff-Raff briefly at the Covina Cinema in 1981 or thereabouts.

I'm learning lots of stuff about people from this thread that I'd forgotten first time round...

[Charles RB]

Have some disgusting evil:

#27085 – Nat Gertler denies Olney’s accusation that he created a female sock puppet account to join the MVCN

#27089 – James Owen states the banned MVCN woman had wrote back to Tom Stillwell asking questions about Olney and the YABS thread, and went on to contact James asking questions; he’s recommended a local attorney to her [it turns out they knew each other]; Olney has posted her real name online in an attack on Nat, despite her requests for privacy

#27103 – Danny Donovan wonders if the ORCA Board of Directors is meant to be copying Unscrewed’s Board, as a “nyah nyah” gesture

#27120 – James Owen says the woman was a fan with no involvement in comics, the sort of person the MVCN is meant to be for; says she’s the only member on the group that wasn’t Olney, Dennis, or Jason Dube

#27123 – the woman is named as Susanna; James Owen says that Olney told her that ORCA was never registered as a non-profit charity but this time he was going to register; James and Tom are asking her if they can copy and post these emails

#27137 – Dave Rothe [who was earlier reported as ill] is confirmed as the man Olney emailed to say he hoped he died (#27012); Olney says: “Hope its over for you soon. Umm… life, that is.”
– the email also continued an older exchange between Dave and Olney, where Dave ended his job with Tightlip due to confusion over whether he was the letterer or not, being cut out of the loop, and Jeff Austin doing work he thought he was doing; Olney says Jeff was acting under his orders and that it’s neither Jeff nor Dave’s call as to how he uses them

#27147 – Sarah Beach says that older exchange looks like either Olney told Jeff to lie to Dave, or there was confusion that Olney made worse with “mealy-mouthed pussyfooting” and trying to claim he in charge & innocent at the same time

[J.R. LeMar]

#27036 – James also reports that Olney has posted insults against Matt Doc, Nat Gertler, and Paul Smith in a new MVCN post (transcribed #27050), with an added comment “that’s basically a threat”


Sometimes it's funny to reread these greatest hits from RickO.


May 12, 2007 - Saturday


Okay, so "Matt Martin" with or without is still...

A jerkoff.

Matthew, I have comic books that are older and smell better than you. I saw where you remarked, " I can do Pig Latin....." From what I heard went on at CAPE, you can do pigs too! But we won't go into that until your trial. Sorry that I'm not as politically correct as the rest of you are.

Nat's a crossdresser online! "Oh, Susanna! Won't you cry for me!? 'Cause I came from Alabama with a banjo on my kneeee!"

Who is Paul Smith? Not the Paul Smith, is it? 'Cause I thought that guy died from a drug overdose or fell down a manhole or somethingback in the early 80s... Sorry, Paul... I can re-invigorate your career. Talk to Tony, my brutha from anotha mutha.

Don't forget to hug your mothers tomorrow. I'm off on vacation for 10 days.


"But we won't go into that until your trial"

Did that trial ever get underway? It's been over 2 years, what's taking so long?

I recall that there were several times where RickO claimed that Matt was due to be arrested "soon," for various criminal & civil charges. My favorite was the time that RickO said that the local Postal Inspector had called him, about some letter that Matt sent RickO, without a forwarding address. That was, apparently, some kind of FEDERAL law that Matt broke, & they wanted RickO's help to track him down so they could arrest him on Federal charges.

And, as noted, taking 10 days off, 6 weeks before his planned convention (which totally DID happen....with about 40 people...out in the woods...around a campfire...), was probably not smart.

[Reverend Smooth]

Originally Posted by NatGertler
There is a photo out there with me in fishnet stockings, but to the best of my knowledge it's not on the Internet -- it's only in a book on folks who perform along with the Rocky Horror Picture Show.

Originally Posted by MacQuarrie
Heh. I was Riff-Raff briefly at the Covina Cinema in 1981 or thereabouts.

That's pretty hot. :O

[Charles RB]

I recall that there were several times where RickO claimed that Matt was due to be arrested "soon," for various criminal & civil charges. My favorite was the time that RickO said that the local Postal Inspector had called him, about some letter that Matt sent RickO, without a forwarding address. That was, apparently, some kind of FEDERAL law that Matt broke, & they wanted RickO's help to track him down so they could arrest him on Federal charges.

Presumably the Herkimer police as less competent than the Gotham PD...

[Charles RB]

One MASSIVE meltdown in 27211!

#27159 – Nat Gertler notes Olney referred to Dave Rothe as an employee, suggesting confusion about his business relations; raises that Olney was unlikely to treat Dave as an employee in regards to taxes

#27172 – Susanna’s attorney (#27089) told her nothing she said to Olney was actionable, and authorised her to pass on the email where he offered her a position on ORCA’s board - “we are planning to file for our full non-profit status this time”, meaning they didn’t before; Olney also told her legal action against people on YABS was upcoming; claimed the MVCN is already picking up readers and fans; lies that he’s only ever posted under orcafresh or his real name; again lies that ORCA was massively influential on the industry; asks for her home address and phone number (due to a “small degree of paranoia”), promises to send her child some comics once he gets her address

#27175 – in regards to #27137 and #27147, Jeff Austin does not recall Olney asking him to lie

#27187, 27190, 27194 – Howler, Danny Donovan, and Glenn Barbis list screen names and sock puppet accounts Olney has used; Glenn links to and quotes Olney on Comicon where he admits to sock puppet accounts [link is now dead]

#27211 – transcript of Olney’s email exchange with Susanna:
- Susanna brought up that Olney did not tell her he was being sued, said this info [sent by Tom Stillwell when she didn’t want him to contact her “again”] left her confused over who to trust; Olney immediately after accuses her of being Gail and says he and “several others” always suspected her of being a troll, tells her not to email him again, says he banned her on Yahoo, sent a formal complaint, and is tracking her ISP to use in legal proceedings; Olney also refers to “[Gail] play acting like she used to in the Comicon gutters as an old gutterslut personality known as "Ophelia".”
- Susanna points out he’s doing this shortly after courting her for the ORCA board, and is angry he’s threatening her with being tracked when she told him she was worried about being stalked; Olney refers to her response as “drama queen bullshit” and “sicko psycho personalities”, says she wouldn’t be concerned with his legal “ongoings” if she was sincere, tells her not to email him
- Susanna says he told her people were lying when they talked about his legal situation, even though it now turns out to be true; Olney replies “I have done NOTHING to you to warrant you questioning my honesty, trustworthiness, and integrity” [ignoring her point that he claimed people were lying when they weren’t], says if she’s not a sock puppet she’s “betrayed” him, says she got herself involved [her first email said Tom contacted her when she asked him not to]
- Olney views her treachery as being that she answered an email from Tom and questioned Olney about his legal situation

#27215 – Glenn Barbis links to [link now dead] a Comicon post where Olney used a sock puppet to reply to himself

#27216 – Danny Donovan says that when he was at the MMC board, Olney asked him to get the forum attention by asking his friends in the industry to join, but whenever they did Olney always acted hostile and aggressively asked why they’d joined; Danny also points out that Susanna did need to know about Olney’s legal situation if she was going to be on his Board of Directors, as she’d be guilty by association

[Charles RB]

In fact, let's SEE that meltdown! (emails are in last-to-first order)


So - if you're a comics fan, and you join one of Rick's forums, and you question him in the slightest way, here's the kind of treatment you can expect. Read from the bottom up - and remember, this is the person who, not twenty-four hours earlier, was offered a seat on ORCA's board of directors.

And for the record, Susanna says he asked for her address FOUR times - the last after dismissing Tom Stillwell as a lying crank.

*******************

Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 17:11:37 -0400
From: "Rick Olney" <tightlip.entertainment@gmail.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
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To: "susanna hill" <xx>
Subject: Re: Why are you so upset?
CC: "Dennis Kininger" <librarybastard@gmail.com>
Susanna:

One last time. You sent me the following email earlier:

Rick,

I received another letter from Tom Stillwell. And I responded to it. At first I was upset that he'd contacted me again - but he also sent information about a court case he said you lost just yesterday. You didn't say anything about being sued, Rick - but the fact it seems you WERE, and didn't even defend yourself, makes people like Tom Stillwell seem more credible. And he's part of that group on those message boards I wanted to avoid to begin with.

I'm very disappointed, and very sad.

I've enjoyed my interactions with you, and Dennis, and Jason, but I didn't expect to get drawn into something like this - and honestly, right now, I have no idea who to trust.

Sincerely,

Susanna

"You didn't say anything about being sued, Rick - but the fact it seems you WERE, and didn't even defend yourself, makes people like Tom Stillwell seem more credible"

That, in my opinion, is your betrayal. You are welcome to share email and answer whomever you please, obviously. But also obviously, I don't need to tell or explain to you anything about what is going on in my life, legally or otherwise, although I recognize that I did share some things with you in passing. And I did that because I thought you were real and genuine.

You answering an email from Tom Stillwell only proves to me that you're no different from anyone else that loves a train wreck or a fresh filled commode.

You trot your sadness out and tout over credibility because you read mis-truths and half baked lies. That is on you, Susanna. If my "credibility" was ever on the table in dealing with you ... I was not aware of it. And now, because you won't honor my request to stop emailing me I'm going to fix the matter myself. Good bye.



On 5/12/07, susanna hill <xx> wrote:

In what way did I betray you, Rick?

Point out the betrayal. Where is it? What did I say to warrant your attacks on me?

I should point out that you were the one who, believing I was "Tamryn", threatened to track my ISP and pursue me through legal channels. If you think this email warrants that, so be it. You don't have to read or respond to my emails; you COULD simply delete them. But you're the one who has chosen to continue threatening me, Rick.

And I am NOT Tamryn.


Rick Olney < tightlip.entertainment@gmail.com> wrote:

Susanna,

I have done NOTHING to you to warrant you questioning my honesty, trustworthiness, and integrity. It is as simple as that. You're not a friend. This is all another little sick drama played out by one of the trolls or by Tamryn herself. Fine. I expect to see it plastered all over that libel thread for entertainment purposes, and you'll no doubt parade in and play innocent and disillusioned, right? If you are indeed sincere and a real person then you've betrayed me. We spoke about you not wanting to get involved. And you're the one that involved yourself, so don't email me anymore. Ever.

I've asked you several times now to not email me. You're the person that began this. I frankly don't care one iota about your sick little drama escapades. Next email from you goes the official complaint route. I don't want to hear from you ever again.

On 5/12/07, susanna hill <xx> wrote:

Rick,

When you keep claiming to be honest and trustworthy - and kept asking for my personal contact information - all the while saying that those other people are lying about you, how else can I respond when something they say turns out to be the truth?

Then, when I address it (respectfully) with you, you become hostile, and threaten to have me tracked (and accuse me of being someone I am not).

I don't care about your legal issues. All I've done is talk about comics with you. Tom Stillwell brought up your legal issues. And for that, you take MY head off.

That's very, very pathetic, Rick.

Susanna

Rick Olney <tightlip.entertainment@gmail.com > wrote:

I have no time for sicko psycho personalities. Don't email me again. If you were sincere to begin with, my legal ongoings would not be a matter for you to even concern yourself with. So, please... take your drama queen bullshit someplace else. And STOP emailing me.

On 5/12/07, susanna hill < xx > wrote:

Dear Rick,

To move from telling me I could trust you, inviting me to be on your group's board of directors, (and asking for my personal information, several times), to threatening me with legal action, and to tell me I'm being TRACKED after I confided in you my fear of being stalked, and being banned from your group...

That's very sad, Rick. And you mention making a formal complaint - for what? All I've done is participate in your group and trade emails with you. I have no idea who Tammy is. Whatever it is you think you know is completely wrong. I was really beginning to empathize with you, Rick. And to have you respond to me this way, when I've been NOTHING but decent to you, is hurtful beyond belief.

Regretfully,

Susanna

Rick Olney <tightlip.entertainment@gmail.com > wrote:

And, just as I and several others suspected, you're nothing but a made up troll. Don't email me again. Each of these emails is ISP tracked and will be used in legal proceedings to take place. Let's see how you figure into all of this, troll. Sure glad you outed yourself before I mailed this package. lol

*Hey Dennis! We called this one right! LMAO I banned her on Yahoo and sent the formal complaint. They'll have a record of the ISP that my attorney will be able to have backtracked. Friggin' Tamryn play acting like she used to in the Comicon gutters as an old gutterslut personality known as "Ophelia".

Hilarious!

You're such a scumbag, Tammy.

On 5/12/07, susanna hill < xx> wrote:

Rick,

I received another letter from Tom Stillwell. And I responded to it. At first I was upset that he'd contacted me again - but he also sent information about a court case he said you lost just yesterday. You didn't say anything about being sued, Rick - but the fact it seems you WERE, and didn't even defend yourself, makes people like Tom Stillwell seem more credible. And he's part of that group on those message boards I wanted to avoid to begin with.

I'm very disappointed, and very sad.

I've enjoyed my interactions with you, and Dennis, and Jason, but I didn't expect to get drawn into something like this - and honestly, right now, I have no idea who to trust.

Sincerely,

Susanna

********************************

Rick. You moron. This is how you treat people who JOIN your little groups?

Dumb. As. Dirt.

And Colleen - yeah. His reasonable, conversational tone in other letters is disturbing.

But it doesn't last long.

EDIT: Susanna's email's been edited out by me, just in case You-Know-Who is watching and no longer has these emails.

[J.R. LeMar]

Man, you really couldn't make this shit up. Is there any bigger loser on than planet?

[Cam63]

The guy is all cl-arse.

[Charles RB]

Man, you really couldn't make this shit up.

You'd be told it was UNREALISTIC if you made this shit up.

[Cam63]

If a method actor tried preparing himself to play Olney, the poor bastard might be fucked up for life.

[TomStillwell]

official complaint route

That's just really a shoebox Rick keeps under his bed that he stuffs with the names of all the people who "wronged" him.

[Cam63]

It's more like a shoe crate.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

In fact, let's SEE that meltdown! (emails are in last-to-first order)



EDIT: Susanna's email's been edited out by me, just in case You-Know-Who is watching and no longer has these emails.

Thats gotta be the funniest e-mail exchange I've seen in a long time. I must have missed this back in 2007 when it happened. WOW.

[Cam63]

I almost miss him posting here for that reason alone.

[Charles RB]

Thats gotta be the funniest e-mail exchange I've seen in a long time. I must have missed this back in 2007 when it happened. WOW.

It's not humanly possible to have seen everything!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It's not humanly possible to have seen everything!

I know.... if someone was told to sit down and read this thread from start to stop....it would take them a few days to do it.

[J.R. LeMar]

You'd be told it was UNREALISTIC if you made this shit up.

I know! That's what's so crazy. Forgetting the wacky melt-downs (goos-night, pukee), hyped up claims of success (I inspired Comics In The Classroom! And Marvel's line of .99 cent comics! And I'm close personal friends with Stan Lee, see, I've got a picture with him!), and, off course, still my favorite, the bragging about his 2007 Mighty Mini-Con (40 people showed up! In the woods! We sat around a campfire!), let's just look @ the basics of his personality:

RO: I'm going to sue all of these people for libeling me!

How are they libeling you?

RO: They're online saying that I didn't pay them!

So...you did pay them, and they're lying about it?

RO: Well, no, I didn't pay them...but that's because they broke their NDA's!

How did they break their NDA's?

RO: By telling people that I didn't pay them! They're not allowed to do that!

Ooohkaaay...:confused:

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

That's just really a shoebox Rick keeps under his bed that he stuffs with the names of all the people who "wronged" him.

But do you think in Gail's case he's filing the complaint under Gail or Tamryn?

[TomStillwell]

But do you think in Gail's case he's filing the complaint under Gail or Tamryn?

Since he probably doesn't know the alphabet I'd say neither.

[Charles RB]

#27229 – James Owen posts an email from Jason Dube to Susanna: Jason claims to have been paid for half a year’s worth of work – Susanna has contacted James and Tom Stillwell saying they were right about Olney in every respect

#27230 – Gail is unaware of Ophelia and never knew about the Comicon “gutters” until after Olney had left them (#27211)

#27232 – Glenn Barbis links to the Comicon thread where Olney said ORCA was tax deductible, identifies sock puppets Olney used there [link is now dead]

#27237 – another Comicon link [now dead], where Olney admits to using a sock puppet; admin Rick Veitch is quoted as saying the thread is Olney’s fifth incident on Comicon; Dennis is said to have come in to defend Olney

[J.R. LeMar]

I love going back & reading some of these crazy posts. Man, can't believe how long this has gone on. Time flies.

These are all from March 4th, 2007:


My goodness! What happened to Matt!?

1.) Are you going to abide by the judgements in the court cases you have ALREADY LOST, and pay the people who won them?

2.) The clock's ticking! Are you going to pay JT before the time limit is up?

3.) Why didn't you show up for your court date last Wednesday, thereby ensuring that you lost it?

See? They're not terribly difficult to answer. Unless you've been hitting the bottle to drown your sorrows again.

Bev,

In answer to your questions, and please copy my answers for posterity...

1.) Any small claims cases will be challenged and overturned based on the introduction of credible evidence which the court(s) in question will want to be made aware of.

2.) No, Jim Taylor's timeline is moot. He is more than welcome to pursue his legal claims. I think it is great men like Mark Waid and now, Mr. Coppervale, have stepped forward to assist in your legal fees. I actually may have a bit of news to my closer friends regarding who has intimated recently at assisting me in this very clear case of online bullying.

3.) I didn't show up last Wednesdat because I was instructed otherwise. The court that riled on that matter will be very happy to hear the other side of what was actually alleged to be owed ... versus ... what was actually factually owed. Small Claims Courts don't get much of a pat on the back often publicly, but they do have a recourse for misjudged cases. Fraud is fraud. Having a contract versus only saying one has one are two different things. Just ask Mr. Dixon. He understands the 'game' of it all.



Love how in #2, in implies that he's getting some sort of extra assistance from somebody (in addition to his legal teams, I guess) in all of this. Could that have been Haley from Myspace?

And, of course, he dismisses the small court judgments against him, by pointing out that only one side got heard. Well, DUH, no kidding. That's why you're supposed to SHOW UP so that you can give your side.

Seriously, my legal experience consists of having watched most episodes of L.A. Law as a teenager, & even I know that no credible lawyer would advise you to just ignore a claim against you. Nor would any financial expert, since monetary judgments tend to not look to good on your credit reports.

It's even less plausible in this situation since, according to RickO, he had tons of evidence that could easily prove his case, and he already had his lawyers working on filing civil charges against these people.

"Hey, Mr. Lawyer, y'know that guy that I've had you working on building a civil suite against? Well, he's just filed a Small Claims Court suite against me. What are we going to do about?"

"Oh, just ignore it. Don't worry, after you lose by default for not showing up, we'll go back later & get the case reopened, then present our evidence, and get the judgment overturned."

"But...why don't we just go now, and present our evidence, so that I win in the first place?"

"It's better this way, trust me."

"Okay, that's what I pay you for."

Over 2 years later, and not a single case has even been challenged by RickO, let alone overturned.

Then there were these responses, when it was pointed out that this thread was #2 on the google search for Rick Olney, and some people suggested linking to it on other sites, so that it would bump up to #1.


And, while we're on the subject of Google -- It frowns on being being duped. So all this effort to make my name more famous than it is will likely fall apart after Google itself realizes that you've all got a more damaging action behind your efforts. Again, goes to show motive, Your Honor.



Thanks, we'll take that up directly with Google. ;)

That's right, he was going to have his lawyers contact GOOGLE.

Well, here we are, over 2 years later, and this thread is #1 AND #2 in the search on his name. In fact the first 5 links are all anti-Olney, with #6 being his sequential soul blog, which is obviously only because of folks linking to it here.

One again, that's one heck of a bad-ass legal team ya got there, RickO.

[Sarah Beach]

I'd forgotten just how badly he writes! That #3 response of his about contracts and Chuck Dixon knowing things.... what the heck is he saying? This whole public fracas began because Chuck damn sure DOES know about contracts - and the the Twit failed to honor his own ones.

*sigh*

Still, there is a satisfaction in knowing he's been halted. Last time I checked on him, the only "sign" I could find was that he'd registered on Facebook, and limited his network to family only. As long as it stays that way, I'm content to leave him alone.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg65/palmer11/88021_2.jpg

"I ROMAN T FLACKFIZER will make you all feel my clients wraith in court !"


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f159/RaulMonkey/laroq-774_a_normal.jpg

(checks out Gail like a hound on the prowl) "Hello.....I'm representing him over there. But I'll leave my number in these papers. Call me...."


http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o210/Strumminminister/jackiechiles.jpg

"As long as Rick Olney isn't related to Kramer in any way , I'll take his case !"

[Charles RB]

That's right, he was going to have his lawyers contact GOOGLE.

Well, here we are, over 2 years later, and this thread is #1 AND #2 in the search on his name. In fact the first 5 links are all anti-Olney

Granted, that could be cos he did contact Google and pissed them off. :wink:

[Charles RB]

The following log contains something that'll make you feel ill inside - you have been warned.

#27273 – Samuel Catalino confirms two other Olney sock puppets at Comicon

#27274 – Tony Isabella has been contacted by artists thanking him for the warnings about Olney, and by a 23-year-old woman who reports Olney was “cyber-hitting on her”

#27275 – Gail says this is not the first time she’s heard of Olney doing this to women [Olney is still married]

#27277 – Matt Doc Martin has made copies of the Comicon posts where Olney claims ORCA is non-profit, and says he’s sent them to the IRS

#27279 – link to an old Olney column (Ball of Fire #1) where he admits to stealing comics as a child; Olney then segued into saying if there’d been a group like ORCA at the time, “maybe I wouldn’t have needed to steal comics”

#27282 – when Tom Stillwell first contacted Susanna, Olney promised her he’d deal with Tom; Tom reports Olney never contacted him

#27294, 27295 – Matt Doc raises that Jason Dube has not been paid by Olney yet, just coached to tell others he has been; Colleen Doran believes Olney is paying Jason in order to “cultivate a champion”

[Gail Simone]

I was bored shitless and randomly Googled for a few minutes. No sign of Olney , though Dennis is doing small-press stuff. I've found Olney has a Facebook but no sign of any use - Dennis has one but Olney's not a Friend on it (ho ho ho).

Dennis is a completely shitty and untalented writer. Every single thing I've read of his was just one inane, trying-not-to-offend cliche after another.

This should be HILARIOUS.

[Gail Simone]

In fact, let's SEE that meltdown! (emails are in last-to-first order)



EDIT: Susanna's email's been edited out by me, just in case You-Know-Who is watching and no longer has these emails.

I wonder why the hell he thought I had anything to do with this? I never even HEARD of Susanna, to my knowledge, until all this stuff had gone down.

What a fucking moron that guy is. I love how his paranoia makes him the worst, dumbest detective on the planet.

[Charles RB]

Dennis is a completely shitty and untalented writer. Every single thing I've read of his was just one inane, trying-not-to-offend cliche after another.

This should be HILARIOUS.

None of it fiction, as far as I could tell, it's all articles.


I wonder why the hell he thought I had anything to do with this?

Because...........

....er...

...

BECAUSE. :mad:

[Gail Simone]

I predict right now, that not only will Rick never publish a comic, I predict Orca and the Mighty Mini Con are both dead and gone. He ruined his own reputation far, far too much for the community to ever support him.

Gail

Just noting that I called this in January of 2007 and of course, it's come completely true. :)

[Gail Simone]

None of it fiction, as far as I could tell, it's all articles.



Because...........

....er...

...

BECAUSE. :mad:

No, I understand, but a bad writer is a bad writer, and Dennis is a terrible writer. Not an original thought in his head, not a decent non-cliche sentence in his fingers.

Reading his baby spew editorials in the APA thing they did, you have to struggle to stay awake, it's that bad.

He's as talented as a writer as Rick is honest as a businessman.

[ArchetypeOne]

I don't check my main public email account all that often. I did on Saturday and happened upon a verrrrry cryptic "cold call" note that arrived on the 19th that ultimately didn't add up until I plugged RO into the equation. That's around the time I started posting here again.

The clues? Bad spelling and grammar.

I'm not ABOLUTELY certain, so I'll post it here later tonight to get anyone's opinion. It's really pretty funny and was quite fun puzzling it all out.

[THEDOC]

Can't wait to see it Arch, gee he don't write to me anymore. :-(

[Charles RB]

I don't check my main public email account all that often. I did on Saturday and happened upon a verrrrry cryptic "cold call" note that arrived on the 19th that ultimately didn't add up until I plugged RO into the equation. That's around the time I started posting here again.

The clues? Bad spelling and grammar.

I'm not ABOLUTELY certain, so I'll post it here later tonight to get anyone's opinion. It's really pretty funny and was quite fun puzzling it all out.

THIS is getting logged...!

[ArchetypeOne]

Real or not?



Wade, I just recently arrived in Seattle .....‏
From: Janie (janiei@nicerphones.com)

You may not know this sender.Mark as safe|Mark as junk

Sent: Tue 5/19/09 2:58 AM
To: archetype14@hotmail.com
Hi Wade
Did you get my last email?
I'm new in town. want to make some friends and check out the area. I just moved near Seattle from Aspen, Colorado about a month ago andI must say I really like it here.
It would be nice to find more friends, i haven't really met anyone so far, except for my roomate who moved here a while back. She's made some friends through the internet and she says there's a lot of nice people I might like here.
I am new to this computers, pretty confusing, so we will see if it works! I am generally a happy person. I love looking at art and think it's the closest we can ever come to experiencing how someone else sees the world.
My roomate Christine have me your email address. She got it from your profile and thought I should email you and she showed me how to send it but nowI can't figure out how to attach my picture here. My friend and my picture are at friends 4 two. com where she put them. You can locate my number _______. If it interests you, you can call me on my cell phone tomorrow at _______1I am really laid back and easy to get along with person. I am looking for someone who is honest. And someone can let loose and at the same time spend a quiet evening at home.
Any way we can talk and see what we have in common and maybe get together if you would like to. Bye,
Janie

P.S.
So,I hope we'll get in touch soon
I don't know if we'll be using this address anymore so call me and let's see where it goes.



Lotta holes in this story... the only public profile I've ever kept open is on dimestoreproductions.com. I keep it that way in case someone wants my contact info for snail mailing review copies without having to bother with emailing me. My hotmail addy is open to everyone. RO is, of course, banned from D/SPA. He still has all my contact info anyway, what with my mailing a copy of MR. EMERGENCY #1 to him back when I figured he was perceived by a few as being benign and misunderstood.

One has to be a registered member of D/SPA to view the profile and to non-co-admins (guilty... co admin here) it costs what are called Bits. The more one participates on the forum, the more Bits one gets.

Christine, albeit a common name, is unfamiliar to me. I know no Christine in Seattle or on D/SPA.

I did go to friends4two.com. Janie seems to be real. She's originally from Colorado Springs, but there's no indication of her living in Seattle at all. It lists her current location as "new in town".

I'll just wait this one out. I'm not gonna email back or call the cell #. No disrespect but Janie's got 3 strikes against her already...
1) She's divorced.
2) She's from Colorado.
3) She doesn't drink.

Again, when I plug RO into the equation, it all makes sense.

If this was you, RO, please don't try anything like this again. It was fun and funny, but 9 times out of 10 when I play Clue, I WIN.

[J.R. LeMar]

Just noting that I called this in January of 2007 and of course, it's come completely true. :)

No, you were WRONG about one thing: He DID have a 2007 Mighty Mini-Con. And it was VERY SUCCESSFUL. Around 40 people showed up (including 2 retailers, who don't want to be revealed, because they're scared that Tony Isabella will say mean things about them online), and they sat around a campfire, talking about comic-books. So there!




Real or not?


Looks like just plain old spam to me. I got a few messages like that on Myspace back in the day.

[ArchetypeOne]

Um... nevermind... pay attention to the next post.

[ArchetypeOne]

Looks like just plain old spam to me. I got a few messages like that on Myspace back in the day.

I'm not on MySpace, Facebook, Comicspace, or anything like that. I've sold and traded hundreds... yes hundreds! of copies of MR. EMERGENCY to many people with my email and snail mail addies in them. Who knows? Just count this as borderline. It was fun and I enjoyed it.

[CutterMike]

Does the SPA board exclude bots? Could've been asounds like a web-crawler snagged the contact info...

Just out of curiosity, what was the area code and the exchange prefix on the phone?

Huh -- quick searches on a couple of phrases from the email brings:

http://blahblah.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=19&p=163110

http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts1797998.aspx
Read the second post down from "jjinexile" and Message #11 from "statc212" -- there are others, too.

[Comcman]

I'm glad to see RO got one last mention in the last Lying in the Gutters.

[ArchetypeOne]

Does the SPA board exclude bots? Could've been asounds like a web-crawler snagged the contact info...

Just out of curiosity, what was the area code and the exchange prefix on the phone?

Huh -- quick searches on a couple of phrases from the email brings:

http://blahblah.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=19&p=163110

http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts1797998.aspx
Read the second post down from "jjinexile" and Message #11 from "statc212" -- there are others, too.

The SPA board includes bots. Ian assured me that it would be no big deal, but I can see how this could be a source of the problem. I'll have to consider switching all the info to private.

I know someone who has dabbled on plentyoffish, but he hasn't been online on the SPA chats for well over a month.

Actually there was no area code and those seem to be the exact phone and entry code numbers.

That's it. Janie and I are through...!

Carry on with the RO discussion. Thanks for the info.

[J.R. LeMar]

I'm glad to see RO got one last mention in the last Lying in the Gutters.

It all started here (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=15439) for me, in the Dec. 11 2006 column. I'd always read Rich's columns, but I guess I just glossed over the previous Olney reports, because it didn't interest me, until this one where Ronee was mentioned. Since I happen to know her (from other message boards & Myspace), when her name popped up in connection, I was curious to see how she was involved in all of this.

The highlights:


When asked for comment on the earlier people to go public, Rick told me, "I am sitting here laughing my ass off at the phony attention seekers crawling out of the wood work, as they say, in getting on this imaginary hayride of yours. THESE are the people you claimed you had. I suggest that you ask each of them to provide you with signed copies of contracts and non disclosure agreement from my company before you place Jonah and his company is possible legal harms way.

I bolded the last sentence, because you have to love the way he tries to imply that there could be lawsuits because of this column.


"I seriously suggest that you investigate your sources. Of the people you mention, Scott Reed is the only person that worked on the 'Tales of The Spooky' #1. And he's recently been rebuked for fraud regarding his attempts to swindle TightLip Entertainment on a separate matter involving an upgrade to the www.mightyminicon.com website.

Is that the same Scott Reed who took Olney to court, and won by default when Olney didn't bother showing up, because Olney said that his lawyer told him not to, and that they were going to file a claim to get that ruling overturned later, even though he never did? Thought so.


"When this matter gets introduced via the court system after the holidays, it won't take long to clear the lies. I'm surprised that such a non story has lasted in your columns coverage since October 21st, when you first contacted me.

Won't take long? Here we are, almost 3 1/2 years later, and Olney still hasn't taken ANYONE to court, or initiated a single legal preceding. When he said this would happen "after the holidays" I assumed he meant the holiday season of that year. Perhaps the holiday he's waiting for is 12/12/2012? Because Olney actually getting a lawyer & taking someone to court really would signify the end of the world as we know it.

[AIPman1]

Does the SPA board exclude bots? Could've been asounds like a web-crawler snagged the contact info...

Just out of curiosity, what was the area code and the exchange prefix on the phone?

Huh -- quick searches on a couple of phrases from the email brings:

http://blahblah.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=19&p=163110

http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts1797998.aspx
Read the second post down from "jjinexile" and Message #11 from "statc212" -- there are others, too.
we do have a bot/crawler exclusion file, up to date.

[CutterMike]

we do have a bot/crawler exclusion file, up to date.

Hmmmph... Stumps me, then... Not that I'm an expert, mind you, but a bot seemed the likeliest vector...

Could still be, I suppose, if there's some long-forgotten site that Wade had signed up at... Has anyone else on the SPA site mentioned getting one of these?

[AIPman1]

Hmmmph... Stumps me, then... Not that I'm an expert, mind you, but a bot seemed the likeliest vector...

Could still be, I suppose, if there's some long-forgotten site that Wade had signed up at... Has anyone else on the SPA site mentioned getting one of these?

No one has said anything to me...

[THEDOC]

The SPA board includes bots. Ian assured me that it would be no big deal, but I can see how this could be a source of the problem. I'll have to consider switching all the info to private.

I know someone who has dabbled on plentyoffish, but he hasn't been online on the SPA chats for well over a month.

Actually there was no area code and those seem to be the exact phone and entry code numbers.

That's it. Janie and I are through...!
Carry on with the RO discussion. Thanks for the info.

Thank God, Hayden would be so crushed.

[NatGertler]

Yeah, the Janie piece is a recurring spam from the folks running the "friends4___.com" addresses. You'll find you have to pay in order to get to Janie's info...

[ArchetypeOne]

Actually, I've been getting a HUGE amount of Security Alerts from THIS site tonight. Don't worry 'bout it, Ian.

Hmm...

[the4thpip]

Yeah, the Janie piece is a recurring spam from the folks running the "friends4___.com" addresses. You'll find you have to pay in order to get to Janie's info...

Are you saying Janie does it for money? :eek:

[ArchetypeOne]

I'm gonna write a hit song called "Janie Was a Spam Bot". Kind of an early 80s throw-back style song. In the meantime, I'm going dark as long as these 'Security Alerts' keep popping up here...

[Samuel Catalino]

Olney is nothing compared to this clown who IS facing criminal charges.

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090507/MILFORD01/305079949/0/news01

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090527/NEWS01/305279942/-1/news01


Yep, sad to say, I was a major league sucker to this major league scam.

If I was cynical about conventions and their practices, you can imagine where I am now with them.

As for Olney, has anyone had any criminal charges on him?

Has anyone collected any of the money due them?

If the answer is no, the good thing about this thread is that unsuspecting people can be warned.about him.

[Charles RB]

Ouch.

That said, looking at the guy's other scams? He's exactly like Olney. He even created a fake charity group!

And based on Olmos not working with the DA's office after all, people give up on nailing him, also like Olney. :sad:

[Samuel Catalino]

Ouch.

That said, looking at the guy's other scams? He's exactly like Olney. He even created a fake charity group!

And based on Olmos not working with the DA's office after all, people give up on nailing him, also like Olney. :sad:

Worse than Olney.

2 judgments against him (less than Olney), but bankruptcy protects him.

8 to 10 million dollars, which is much worse than Olney. Senter lost arbitration case with one hotel chain.

More on sad story:

http://www.airlockalpha.com/news426378.html

Olmos is among the creditors against Senter, but he ranted at Dragon Con against Senter, but NH DA said that he has not been in contact with DA's office. Olmos said he was going to make sure the fans got their refunds from Senter. You can see where that is going.

Oh, I filed with DA's office and you can see where that got me. I even followed up with a phone call with the NHDA office and read the story on the internet that Senter had been indicted.

Worst of all, I suspect he will get off scot free on the fraud charge, even as I predicted he would file for bankruptcy. Everyone will have to settle for pennies for the dollar. I am out of 600 bucks and money it took me to change my flight to go somewhere else.


Silver lining: People going up to Boston July of 2008 did have a con and Mark Goddard took time and visited with the defrauded fans. At least I cancelled my flight to Boston in time.

[Charles RB]

#27310 – Buckminster Futter quotes a Comicon post [link now broken]: a poster called Sean Osman recounts living near Olney and hearing about ORCA, which had meetings at local shop Toy Planet; Olney ended up owing hundreds of dollars to Toy Planet for comics sold to ORCA [at a high discount], and the meetings stopped being held there; Sean recounts being interested in ORCA until he saw Olney yelling at the store’s owner over the debt and then storming out – Buckminster believes Toy Planet may be the comic shop that won a judgement against Olney

#27356, 27357, 27359 – a new troll account (Pom_Girl93) begins posting, with extremely bad spelling

#27374, 27405 – troll is believed to be a sock puppet for either Olney or a “minion” of Olney; a line in the account’s profile reads “when I grow up I want to be a hair cutter”, which is taken as a sign it’s related to Olney [Gail having been a former hairdresser]; however, the IP numbers are found not to match [the troll is from Missouri], proving it’s not Olney

#27406 – on his MySpace, Olney is claiming his ten-day vacation (#27048) is in Florida

#27408 – Danny Donovan notes this means Olney can get to Florida, yet didn’t when he had a court case there

#27429 – Tony Isabella lists all the things that would need to be done in the last six weeks before a convention, which would rule out taking a ten-day vacation

And:


I could tell instantly how much he thrived on pretending to be THE MAN IN CHARGE. I mean, every tiny problem would be met with this long dramatic sigh like it was Klingons attacking and only Captain Rick could possibly deal with the threat.

[Charles RB]

More on sad story:

http://www.airlockalpha.com/news426378.html

Jesus SHIT, he owes HOW MUCH to con guests?!

If you're insinuating Olmos did contact the DA's office and they just didn't notice/didn't bother to follow up, that would make sense - no one's going to let off a guy who owes them 60 grand.

[Samuel Catalino]

Jesus SHIT, he owes HOW MUCH to con guests?!

If you're insinuating Olmos did contact the DA's office and they just didn't notice/didn't bother to follow up, that would make sense - no one's going to let off a guy who owes them 60 grand.


Con Guest are out of 542,000 dollars, something like that...sort of accounts payable. Yep, something was up when the guests never heard when they would be getting their plane tickets from Senter.

Spoke to Mary Tamm about it over in England, in her words: "she was banking on that money"

I don't recall bringing it up to Frazer Hines in Orlando, and probably just as well.

You would think that if Olmos did contact the DA's office, they would know about it. Of course, I am quite disappointed in the NH AG and their office and it would not surprise me that they "forgot" about any contact they may have received from him.

And from what I hear Senter's income is about 700 a month, which includes food stamps.

Such is life, and it just makes me more cynical.

[Charles RB]

Spoke to Mary Tamm about it over in England, in her words: "she was banking on that money"

That's depressing. :frown:

[Gail Simone]

Con Guest are out of 542,000 dollars, something like that...sort of accounts payable. Yep, something was up when the guests never heard when they would be getting their plane tickets from Senter.

Spoke to Mary Tamm about it over in England, in her words: "she was banking on that money"

I don't recall bringing it up to Frazer Hines in Orlando, and probably just as well.

You would think that if Olmos did contact the DA's office, they would know about it. Of course, I am quite disappointed in the NH AG and their office and it would not surprise me that they "forgot" about any contact they may have received from him.

And from what I hear Senter's income is about 700 a month, which includes food stamps.

Such is life, and it just makes me more cynical.

Same exact deal as Olney, just a loud-mouthed, deluded loser who desperately wants to be considered a big wheel in an industry that wants no part of them.

They get a few sycophant girly-men like Dennis to bolster their delusions, and don't listen to anyone who tries to tell them the truth, ie. anyone with a spine.

Grotesque.

[THEDOC]

Jesus SHIT, he owes HOW MUCH to con guests?!

If you're insinuating Olmos did contact the DA's office and they just didn't notice/didn't bother to follow up, that would make sense - no one's going to let off a guy who owes them 60 grand.

Yeah I love the list:

- Edward James Olmos of "Battlestar Galactica" for $60,000
- "Battlestar Galactica" actress Mary McDonnell for $40,000
- Highlander actor Adrian Paul for $22,500
- "Doctor Who" actor Frazer Hines for $22,000
- Popular Stargate recurring actor Cliff Simon for $21,000
- "Star Trek: Enterprise" actor John Billingsley and wife Bonita Fredericy of "Chuck" for $15,000
- "Andromeda" and "Hercules" star Kevin Sorbo for $15,000
- Claudia Christian of "Babylon 5" for $13,000
- "Star Trek: The Next Generation" actress Denise Crosby for $12,000
- Character actress Musetta Vander for $12,000
- Vanessa Angel of "Weird Science" for $12,000
- "Star Trek: Voyager" and "Stargate: Atlantis" actor Robert Picardo for $11,000
- Shannon Sylvia of "Ghost Hunters International" for $10,125
- Andrew Divoff from "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" for $10,000
- "Doctor Who" actress Daphne Ashbrook for $10,000
- "The X-Files" and "Lone Gunmen" actor Dean Haglund for $10,000
- "Red Dwarf" actress Hattie Hayridge for $10,000
- "Blake's 7" actress Jacqueline Pearce for $10,000
- "Babylon 5" and "Lost" actress Mira Furlan for $10,000
- "Babylon 5's" Peter Jurasik for $10,000
- "Doctor Who" guest actor Terry Molloy for $10,000
- "Masters of Horror" actor William Forsythe for $10,000
- "Battlestar Galactica: Razor" and "Andromeda" actor Steven Bacic for $9,500
- "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" recurring actress Louise Fletcher for $9,000
- "Stargate SG-1" actor Tony Amendola for $8,500
- "Stargate: Atlantis" actress Andee Frizzell for $8,000
- Star Wars game voice actor Cully Fredrickson for $8,000
- "Flash Gordon" actress Gina Holden for $8,000
- "24" actor Gregory Itzin for $8,000
- "Star Trek: Insurrection" actor Michael Welch for $8,000
- "Mighty Morphin Power Rangers" actor Richard Steven Horvitz for $8,000
- "Moonraker" actor Richard Kiel for $8,000
- Brian Harnois of "Ghost Hunters International" for $7,500
- "Andromeda" actor Gordon Michael Woolvett for $7,500
- J.R. Bourne of "The Dead Zone" for $7,500
- "Star Trek: Voyager" actor Tim Russ for $7,000
- "Doctor Who" actor John Levene for $7,000
- "Watchmen" actor Dan Payne for $6,500
- Eugene W. Roddenberry for $6,500
- "Stargate SG-1" actor Gary Jones for $6,500
- "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" actor Barry Jenner for $6,000
- "Doctor Who" actress Mary Tamm for $6,000
- "Lost" special guest Julie Adams for $5,500
- "Star Trek" guest star France Nuyen for $5,000
- "Killer Klowns From Outer Space" actor Grant Cramer for $5,000
- Recurring Star Trek franchise actor James Horan for $5,000
- "Frogs" actress Lynn Borden for $5,000
- Original "Mighty Joe Young" actress Terry Moore for $5,000
- Actor William Berlinger for $4,500
- Highlander actress Elizabeth Gracen for $4,000
- "Star Trek" guest actor Jack Donner for $4,000
- "Babylon 5" actor Jason Carter for $4,000
- "Earth: Final Conflict" actor Robert Leeshock for $4,000
- "Doctor Who" actress Deborah Watling for $3,500
- "Earth: Final Conflict's" Anita La Selva for $3,000
- Nell Wilson of "Who Wants To Be A Superhero" for $3,000
- Voice actor Vic Mignogna for $2,500
- "Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda" actor David Winning for $2,000
- Highlander actor F. Braun McAsh for $2,000
- Professional wrestler and Star Trek uncredited guest actor Scott L. Schwartz for $2,000
- "Star Wars: Return of the Jedi" actor Dermot Crowley for $1,500
- "Babylon 5" actor Stephen Furst for $1,500

Other actors, such as Bruce Boxleitner from "Babylon 5" and Connor Trinneer from "Star Trek: Enterprise," also are owed money, but the amount owed was not listed in bankruptcy filings.

[THEDOC]

Same exact deal as Olney, just a loud-mouthed, deluded loser who desperately wants to be considered a big wheel in an industry that wants no part of them.

They get a few sycophant girly-men like Dennis to bolster their delusions, and don't listen to anyone who tries to tell them the truth, ie. anyone with a spine.

Grotesque.

Hey now We girly men have our pride you know. And it's called "sensitive 90's guy"

[Samuel Catalino]

Same exact deal as Olney, just a loud-mouthed, deluded loser who desperately wants to be considered a big wheel in an industry that wants no part of them.

They get a few sycophant girly-men like Dennis to bolster their delusions, and don't listen to anyone who tries to tell them the truth, ie. anyone with a spine.

Grotesque.

Olney never did anything on the scale Senter did. Nor did he have someone following around defending him either. Some kind of emperor indeed.

What is frightening is the ease that Senter did what he did.

[Samuel Catalino]

That's depressing. :frown:

At least she did not lose any money, and she was sympathetic to the plight of us fools who sent this con man money for his con job.

She is a classy lady though, and was not dwelling on this nonsense.

I have already written off my money a long time ago.

[Samuel Catalino]

Yeah I love the list:

It is not a list; it is a compendium.

RO is nothing compared to this guy.

[KJ_81]

There's a guy listed from 'Ghost Hunters International.'


Is that the same people Olney screwed over with the con and comic?

I really hope not, poor guys :(

[Gail Simone]

It is not a list; it is a compendium.

RO is nothing compared to this guy.

I would say the only difference is scope. Rick would have been in this situation easily if anyone had ever taken him seriously. Whether he cheated BIG STARS like this guy did, or paycheck-to-paycheck-living non-celebrity creators like Rick and Dennis did, it's still the same m.o.

[Samuel Catalino]

I would say the only difference is scope. Rick would have been in this situation easily if anyone had ever taken him seriously. Whether he cheated BIG STARS like this guy did, or paycheck-to-paycheck-living non-celebrity creators like Rick and Dennis did, it's still the same m.o.

Fortunately, a lot of people did not take RO that seriously. He pretty much shot himself all over the place in the Gutters at Comicon years ago.

It is a magnitude of scope, RO never came close to what Senter accomplished in his con. My BS detector was going off about Senter, and I failed to listen to it.

The thing is no matter it is a dollar or a million dollars, the principle is the same.

[MacQuarrie]

Hey now We girly men have our pride you know. And it's called "sensitive 90's guy"

There is a difference between sensitive and spineless.

Dennis knows Olney is scum, admits Olney cheats people, and still toadies to him.

[the4thpip]

Same exact deal as Olney, just a loud-mouthed, deluded loser who desperately wants to be considered a big wheel in an industry that wants no part of them.

They get a few sycophant girly-men like Dennis to bolster their delusions, and don't listen to anyone who tries to tell them the truth, ie. anyone with a spine.

Grotesque.

Stop being mean to girly-men!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Olney is nothing compared to this clown who IS facing criminal charges.

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090507/MILFORD01/305079949/0/news01

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090527/NEWS01/305279942/-1/news01


Yep, sad to say, I was a major league sucker to this major league scam.

If I was cynical about conventions and their practices, you can imagine where I am now with them.

As for Olney, has anyone had any criminal charges on him?

Has anyone collected any of the money due them?

If the answer is no, the good thing about this thread is that unsuspecting people can be warned.about him.

Damn ! Thats unbelievable... holy fuck.


Ouch.

That said, looking at the guy's other scams? He's exactly like Olney. He even created a fake charity group!

And based on Olmos not working with the DA's office after all, people give up on nailing him, also like Olney. :sad:

Just freakin crazy to be honest . I wish Olmos had done that. But perhaps his rant sped up the process for the attorny general to step in.


Worse than Olney.

2 judgments against him (less than Olney), but bankruptcy protects him.

8 to 10 million dollars, which is much worse than Olney. Senter lost arbitration case with one hotel chain.

More on sad story:

http://www.airlockalpha.com/news426378.html

Olmos is among the creditors against Senter, but he ranted at Dragon Con against Senter, but NH DA said that he has not been in contact with DA's office. Olmos said he was going to make sure the fans got their refunds from Senter. You can see where that is going.

Oh, I filed with DA's office and you can see where that got me. I even followed up with a phone call with the NHDA office and read the story on the internet that Senter had been indicted.

Worst of all, I suspect he will get off scot free on the fraud charge, even as I predicted he would file for bankruptcy. Everyone will have to settle for pennies for the dollar. I am out of 600 bucks and money it took me to change my flight to go somewhere else.


Silver lining: People going up to Boston July of 2008 did have a con and Mark Goddard took time and visited with the defrauded fans. At least I cancelled my flight to Boston in time.


Thats a nice thing thing Goddard did there. Just disgusting to see someone do this type of con artist job and not expect to get caught.


Con Guest are out of 542,000 dollars, something like that...sort of accounts payable. Yep, something was up when the guests never heard when they would be getting their plane tickets from Senter.

Spoke to Mary Tamm about it over in England, in her words: "she was banking on that money"

I don't recall bringing it up to Frazer Hines in Orlando, and probably just as well.

You would think that if Olmos did contact the DA's office, they would know about it. Of course, I am quite disappointed in the NH AG and their office and it would not surprise me that they "forgot" about any contact they may have received from him.

And from what I hear Senter's income is about 700 a month, which includes food stamps.

Such is life, and it just makes me more cynical.

If there is justice they make him work a tough job in the blazing heat and strip him of his food stamps.

[Charles RB]

There's a guy listed from 'Ghost Hunters International.'


Is that the same people Olney screwed over with the con and comic?

I really hope not, poor guys :(

Not only are they the same guys, he had a woman listed for them as well. :frown:

[CoffeeStained]

Right now, Olney's probably thinking that he made the wrong non-career choice, he should have been not producing sci-fi cons instead. Just as dishonest, with just as little effort, bigger payoff.

[Samuel Catalino]

Damn ! Thats unbelievable... holy fuck.

I concur.


Just freakin crazy to be honest . I wish Olmos had done that. But perhaps his rant sped up the process for the attorny general to step in.

I suspect his comments did nothing for the process to be sped up. His comments took place on Labor Day 2008. It is good PR for him to side with the fans in a demonstrative manner, but I have seen no evidence of his speech being backed up by any action from him.



Thats a nice thing thing Goddard did there. Just disgusting to see someone do this type of con artist job and not expect to get caught.

Goddard is a first class human being for going out there on his own and speaking and chatting with victims of JumpCon who could not change their travel plans. Fans also got together on there own to have their own convention and people did end up meeting each other.
If I see Goddard again, I will buy several autographs and pictures on pure principle. People like him are first class IMHO and we should support those people.




If there is justice they make him work a tough job in the blazing heat and strip him of his food stamps.

I doubt in this political age that will happen. :(

[ComicbookJeff]

Don't kid yourselves folks.
If not for Gail starting this thread and Tony Isabella issuing the warnings, Rick Olney was on track to do exactly this.

Without a few brave souls stepping up and calling Rick out, he was directly on his way to this kid of clusterbang.

It is real frustrating to be a legit event organizer and watch guys like this discredit the entire convention industry.
These scoundrels are making it real hard for the rest of us.

[Charles RB]

#27456, 27457, 27462 – it’s suggested that Olney’s not going to Florida for his vacation but said he was as an attempted threat (as Olney said it was a hunting trip, #27406)

#27471 – Howler notes the MMC MySpace background image is a Freedom 3 picture by Sami Syed (from 1999, #27494); Howler has tried to contact Sami but the email he had “bounced”, says he heard Sami was battling cancer

#27490 – Sarah Beach suspects Olney plans to go print-on-demand

#27498 – Matt Doc takes the “hunting trip” as a threat, challenges Olney to contact him so they can meet up

#27499 – JTPencils believes Sami Syed was part of the first round of creators Tightlip screwed

#27500 – Joshua Pantelleresco raises that print-on-demand comics are more expensive than traditionally printed comics

#27514 – Tom Stillwell says he has personal info on Olney that “would make [him] implode” but he doesn’t intend to use it

[Samuel Catalino]

Don't kid yourselves folks.
If not for Gail starting this thread and Tony Isabella issuing the warnings, Rick Olney was on track to do exactly this.

Without a few brave souls stepping up and calling Rick out, he was directly on his way to this kid of clusterbang.

It is real frustrating to be a legit event organizer and watch guys like this discredit the entire convention industry.
These scoundrels are making it real hard for the rest of us.

Unlike Senter, RO managed actually have a convention. From what I have heard from many participants, he did not honor his agreements, but he did have one convention.

Senter cancelled them all, and pocketed all of the money.

No way RO could have done what Senter did. He did not have the computer skills and his erratic behavior had already made a number of people in the industry be very wary of him. Unfortunately, the word did not get out quick enough and to enough people. Some friends of mine asked me what I thought of him and I told them to be careful of him, that he made promises that there was no way I believed he could keep.

[Charles RB]

And too awesome NOT to remind people of:


I would in fact. Can you imagine how freakishly awesome a Lovecraftian Green Lantern would be?

*writes down a note to speak with someone at DC about that.*


Hey, if Marvel can do zombie versions, why not Lovecraft for DC?

I understand there are about 45 alternate Earths yet to be explored.....



Ohhh, here's another thought: a member of the Marvel family powered by the Lovecraft mythos!


The mutability of Shoggoth
The stealth of Hastur
The might of Azathoth
The telepathy of Zhar
The knowledge of Alhazred
The intelligence of Mi-Go

[Charles RB]

Months and months and months ago, I skipped ahead to log the posts where Olney screwed over and sleazed on a pro model. I am now a few pages away from running into the posts again.

Speaking of posts:

#27526 – Olney is still posting on his blogs, indicating he’s likely not gone on vacation

#27583 – James Owen gets confirmation that Olney has not left Herkimer

#27585 – Olney has created another MySpace page (for ORCA)

#27588 – Sarah Beach reminds us that Olney did say he’d be relaunching ORCA (though it’s a month later than promised); notes that it’s Private

#27601 – the ORCA MySpace is “actively seeking to reopen contact” with its old members; Matt Doc raises that Olney claimed he’d never lost contact with them

#27625 – Bluecove notes that by making ORCA a Private MySpace, Olney has again made sure new fans can’t join a group allegedly aimed at them; also notes Olney’s now got two fan groups, a convention, and a line of comics he claims to be doing all at the same time

#27626, 27630 – Tom Stillwell and Danny Donovan note Olney has violated the MySpace terms of service

#27652, 27679 – Danny says Olney is courting a female Canadian artist; Joanne Mutch says she’ll warn her if she’s given the name

#27693 – the MVCN MySpace page has put up a “Message from a fan”, putting out ways the MVCN could improve itself (including “put together a business and financial plan” and “watch your reputation”); Olney says the email has inspired “conversation” “around the office” and they’ll respond to it publicly “shortly”

#27695 – Tom Stillwell notes that Olney had to invent an office and staff in order to reply to this email rather than keeping things simple and honest

#27698 – there is another MVCN post, this one not by Olney, (who’s said to be “out of the office”) saying someone of them have not “fallen into this pit that Olney and those fine folk at CBR have dug”, refers to “Olney speak online” if you search for it, and that the negative links from CBR “haters talking their crap”; the poster mentions that in talking with Olney, “it was obvious he had a disability”, and they want to talk with Dennis about it

#27706 – Olney’s has repeatedly posted and logged in today, proving again that he’s not on vacation

#27707 – Sarah Beach says it’s not clear what the latest MVCN post is saying in parts, such as the “Olney speak” section

#27709 – Gail is suspicious that the non-Olney MVCN posters never leave a name or a online handle, believing this shows they either don’t exist or don’t want their names associated with Olney

#27743, 27749 – Mike Zarnock reiterates that he’s attending the MMC as a guest because he promised he would (before knowing about Olney) and is upholding his end of the deal; Matt Doc accuses him of taking money from those Olney owes by doing work for him, “ Why don't you ask Rick to pay the people he owes first?”