Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[Scott Shaw!]

Something kinda significant occurred to me today after I'd taken a meeting with a new client.

I've been involved in various Hollywood productions for about thirty years. I've worked for most of the animation studios as a producer, director, writer, designer, storyboard artist and development guy (among other functions). I've worked with quite a few live-action outfits as well. Plus, tons of "little guys" with projects in need of development. I even had to sue a major animation studio (now no longer in existence) over the rights to one of my characters, and they settled out of court with me at the last minute.

(I'm not bragging here; it's just the setup. Bear with me, please.)

Sooooo...when you consider how many human snakes are on the loose here in Tinseltown -- and you've gotta realize, Hollywood's reputation for being full of swindlers and con-men is, if anything, UNDERstated -- I've never met or worked with anyone here who even approaches the level of duplicity and sheer craziness that Rick Olney's displayed here.

Not. Even. CLOSE.

If that doesn't say something significant about Olney, I don't know what does!

Aloha,

Scott!

[Jared H.]

I'd just like to chime in and say that this is, bar none, the most fun I've ever had reading a thread. Hell, this puts the whole J-Bolt thing to shame.

It's also really, really cool to have so much talent in the same thread. Makes me all giddy.

Oh, and I found the following today, and it sums up precisely what I'd like to tell Mr. Olney:

http://reallylose.ytmnd.com/

[TCJohnson]

I can't believe Rick owes 60,000 for 1 book. He must be the Axl Rose of comics. ( considerin that Rose has racked up $ 13 million for one album !)

Where did you get $60,000 from? Did I miss something?

[TomStillwell]

But you run your own business, so you know the ins and outs.

Suppose you're an artist, you've never self-published. And you're talented but don't have much work. And someone comes along and quotes a great rate and you check him out and he seems to have hosted a Con, and he seems to have the Bridges to the Classroom program, and he's been involved in the indy publishing community.

If you have bills to pay, and someone's offering the job, a job you've had a lot of trouble finding...and the surface looks good....

I can see that but then an old addage would creep into my mind...

"If something is too good to be true it usually is."

[JTPencils]

Hm, I wonder just how impotent (speaking of shooting blanks) Olney is feeling right about now..?

He essentially has a horde of people gunning for him and he's little or no recourse but to run away & hide. And I have absolutely NO pity for the poor man.

Kevin, even Mr T wouldn't pity this fool.

[Wil Radcliffe]

Sue me.


I've got an attorney on retainer for small claims.

Yeah, well your attorney goes to the dentist tomorrow, so he'll lose his retainer.

That was a horrible joke. I apologize.




Fart.

[colleen]

Is that all there is to getting the tm? It is my art design and my logo.



The TM simbol declares INTENT to REGISTER a trademark, and declares in public commercial use that you are utilizing the trademark actively, which the trademark office needs to see if you decide to register with the federal trademark office.

There is a state trademark register and a federal trademark register. The federal register is very expensive but offers far more comprehensive protection.

Regardless, that is YOUR design and YOUR logo. You did NOT assign any rights to anyone else. It belongs to YOU. In the absence of an outstanding instance of trademark use, it's all yours, pal.

You do NOT have to register to declare trademark intent. A REGISTERED trademark is noted by a (R) instead of a TM. It can take a couple of years to get a registered trademark. It costs NOTHING to put a TM on your logo.

Then get over there to the copyright website, and look up the trademark and copyright information, and I will quiz you tomorrow...just kidding.

But please, do some research. You will find I have not lied to you, or steered you wrong. But you will need to start doing your own, professional groundwork from here.

Don't worry, it took me nearly ten years to get my A Distant Soil trademark registration and nothing went wrong in the interim.


c

[Sarah Beach]

Colleen, as an infojunkie, I now absolutely adore you!!! I've been scribbling down notes, because I was going to have to start looking up this information soon anyway. I shall now run off and slap trademark statments all over my website! (The copyright notices I got.)

And to follow up on what Corrina said about how one might get involved in such a project as Olney's:

(Hypothetically, mind you, because I do not know it as a fact) For a pro, it might not be just the offered page rate. It could be Creator-Ownership of material, in a genre the pro hasn't had an opportunity to work in for a while, but for which he's got a whole bunch of new ideas. Plus the opportunity to give artist-friends an opportunity to get in print, to help advance their careers.

Just a possibility, as an answer to the "How the heck did XX get involved in this?"

[CitC]

Thanks a lot Paul. It was very helpful.

The basic cost of trademark registration is $250 (if submitted on-line) or $300 if submitted in any other way for each trade-mark applied for, which is a non-refundable filing fee. If your trademark application is successful, you will also have to pay $200 for a certificate of registration. These are the basic federal government fees and do not take into account the fees of a trademark agent.

Yeah, gonna have to bank on this part: Trademark registration isn’t strictly necessary.Using a trademark for a certain period of time establishes your ownership of the trademark through common law and gives you certain trademark rights. However, these rights are quite limited compared to the rights of a registered trademark owner. If your trademark is not registered, your trademark rights are limited to the geographic area where the trademark has been used, and you will have to prove ownership of your trademark to the court.

[PatrickG]

40K? On one book? ONE book, maybe two at most?

How the hell was he ever going to break even on the project? Maybe I don't really know the logistics of an indy book, but if he somehow managed to clear $1-2 after printing and distributor discounts, he'd have to sell 20-40 thousand copies! There are Marvel and DC books that don't sell that well!

Did he EVER intend to pay anyone?

By the way, your friend rocks. Tell him to come onto the thread. There's safety in numbers. We got his back.

Wow. Just. Wow.

I can tell you right now, any plans I put together for indy projects were for less than 10% of that cost. That might exclude someone like Chuck Dixon being able to work you into his schedule. (I doubt this, however, as I seem to recall Chuck DONATING work to Shooting Star.)

Of course, cost is no issue to someone who has no plans of paying.

Had he been HONEST with people, he might have still secured help from SOME of the talent he was working with and he would have seen SOMETHING through to production.

As it stands, he's a huckster who will accomplish nothing because he tried to get everything for nothing.

[NatGertler]

Not old enough for you? Well, here's another book of the same name, from before Rick was born! (http://aaugh.com/to.htm?B0007JNEXE)And just to follow up on that -- that work, which appears to have been a study, was referenced in a US Senate document in 1950. That document also includes "A large majority of the teachers who participated in the experiment appraised their experience with the use of comics in the classroom favorably." (I'm just getting snippets here courtesy of Google book search.)

Oooh, the book search also finds a mention of an even earlier article with "Comics in the Classroom" as title -- 1943, in The School Executive.... I don't know Google Book Search well enough to know whether it's really claiming that the phrase is in an issue of Texas Outlook from 1916 and a Publishers Weekly in 1873, or if those dates were just the years those periodicals were founded.

[TCJohnson]

nevermind, dumb comment. and for me that is saying something.

[KevinTBrown]

Yeah, well your attorney goes to the dentist tomorrow, so he'll lose his retainer.

That was a horrible joke. I apologize.




Fart.


You get a cookie.

http://allamericanspeakers.com/sportspeakers/photos/1822Don_Rickles.jpg


Hockey puck.
:cool:

[sk716]

Ok...1 satisfied customer has a data CD on its way to him/her (air of MYSTERY!)


Anyone else?

Hang on to a copy. There was mention of filing it all on the Unscrewed site. I'm still working out the best way to file an entire thread.

[CitC]

Originally Posted by NatGertler View Post
Not old enough for you? Well, here's another book of the same name, from before Rick was born! But what if he has a published work with the same name. Is the difference between program and website (which offers no program) enough?

[colleen]

Ah, good work was done here today. Copyrights, trademarks, getting people together to talk useful talk.

'Night CitC! 'Night Sarah! Glad the info helped you, too!


I will go to sleep the sleep of the just.



c

[KevinTBrown]

Hang on to a copy. There was mention of filing it all on the Unscrewed site. I'm still working out the best way to file an entire thread.

Speaking of which, is there a link for the Unscrewed site....?? :)

[heystacy]

ORCA!


Gail

Ha. Would that not make him OrcaStank? I can't see how "fresh" and "orca" go together in any name. Also considering all the wronged people, fresh does not apply at all.

Again to all the people who were wronged by this guy, you have my sympathies. So many new names here.

Don't let him ruin your experience on the forum either.

[CitC]

Thanks Colleen.

[Sarah Beach]

I can tell you right now, any plans I put together for indy projects were for less than 10% of that cost. That might exclude someone like Chuck Dixon being able to work you into his schedule. (I doubt this, however, as I seem to recall Chuck DONATING work to Shooting Star.)


As the Editor of the first Shooting Star Anthology, I can tell you as a fact that it was run as a (limited) partnership. The writer/artist costs for each story contribution were covered by the creatives of that team (ie, it was a private matter between writer/artist as to if & how much anyone got paid initially). Chuck paid Enrique Villangran himself for his pages. I paid Gordon Purcell & Terry Pallot for mine. Most everyone else was doing their own writing & art. Beyond that, everyone chipped in equal shares on the physical production of the book. Chuck came in because... well, we were all from his site, and we asked; and it gave him the opportunity to do a western, which he'd been wanting to do for a while.

I don't want to think what could have happened to my friends if they'd fallen under the influence of someone like Olney. He is toxic.

[wishlish]

I just had a horrible thought.

That $40K number was for one book, right? Just Tales of the Spooky?

There's two other titles out there- Monster Squad and Freedom 3- that work was also done on.

Now, I get that Tales of the Spooky was in development a bit longer than the other two books. But if he was stupid enough to promise the same high page rates on those books as TotS...plus Ronee's debt and the webmaster's debt (I remember reading about that at the beginning on all this)...

How much DOES Olney owe? Is this a 6-figure debt?

[Gail Simone]

NO. That is NOT what the copyright notice means.

The copyright notice at the bottom of the newsarama site means that the CONTENT of the site is copyrighted. Get it? The interviews, articles, etc. THAT's what that means.

IT doesn't mean a FRICKING THING if he had a program to get comics into the classroom as if that hasn't been done a hundred times before. It doesn't mean he owns the idea. You CANNOT COPYRIGHT AN IDEA. You can only copyright THE EXECUTION OF THE IDEA!!!

ANYONE on the planet can run a comics in the classroom program and there isn't a damned thing stopping you!!!

For God's sake, what this thread needs is a legal primer in the classroom, and there isn't a single creator who has any business not getting to a library and checking out a book on basic art and entertainment law. This is beginner's stuff, folks. EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW THIS FOR THEIR OWN PROTECTION!!!

And ALL of this information is free and available ON THE INTERNET FOR YOUR EDIFICATION at the copyright office website at http://www.copyright.gov


What does copyright protect?
Copyright, a form of intellectual property law, protects original works of authorship including literary, dramatic, musical, and artistic works, such as poetry, novels, movies, songs, computer software, and architecture. Copyright does not protect facts, ideas, systems, or methods of operation, although it may protect the way these things are expressed. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section "What Works Are Protected."

Can I copyright my website?
The original authorship appearing on a website may be protected by copyright. This includes writings, artwork, photographs, and other forms of authorship protected by copyright. Procedures for registering the contents of a website may be found in Circular 66, Copyright Registration for Online Works.

Can I copyright my domain name?
Copyright law does not protect domain names. The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), a nonprofit organization that has assumed the responsibility for domain name system management, administers the assignation of domain names through accredited registers.

How do I protect my recipe?
A mere listing of ingredients is not protected under copyright law. However, where a recipe or formula is accompanied by substantial literary expression in the form of an explanation or directions, or when there is a collection of recipes as in a cookbook, there may be a basis for copyright protection. Note that if you have secret ingredients to a recipe that you do not wish to be revealed, you should not submit your recipe for registration, because applications and deposit copies are public records. See FL 122, Recipes.

Can I copyright the name of my band?
No. Names are not protected by copyright law. Some names may be protected under trademark law. Contact the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office, 800-786-9199, for further information.




I don't mean to shout, but by God, I now have a migraine.


c



Um.

I know how to make rice krispy treats.


Gail, hangs head in shame

[Papergirl]

Hey, Papergirl, long time no see!

As I recall, Rick Olney started to flip out when I asked a few too many questions of Gail and Heidi MacDonald about their disastrous experiences at the Mighty Mini Con here on the YABS board. When I saw that he was warming up his old flamewar routine, I backed off fast and made nice, rather than send him careening off into another take-on-everyone-here-at-CBR screed. Then I warned the other mods in the Back Room of his history of flipping out, but no one seemed to take my warning very seriously. Of course, you can't ban the guy for acting weird on OTHER sites. Too bad that all predated the concoction of his fictional publishing company/scam, Tightlip Entertainment.

I dunno if that thread still exists there, but I'd love to see it again, just to check how many aspects of his pattern of misbehavior I predicted. Not that I'm some sort of funnybook Nostradamus, but Olney is just so pathetically predictable. Sociopathetically, even.

Oh, and Olney's next phase will be frantic apologies and attempts at nice-making. Not that they'll be genuine, mind you, but when he gets hopelessly backed into a corner, he thinks he can charm his way out. At least, that's what he used to attempt at Comicon.com.

But what's going on here is much bigger than pissing off CBR. Between the threats and the Tightlip scam, he's FINALLY gonna have to face the music, thanks to the good work of many people here and elsewhere.

Aloha,

Scott!

Yep, that's pretty much what I remember. It spread over several sites and message boards.

Seems to me that, when it comes to giving people a second chance, CBR is tops. Sadly, this also means we'll occassionally be proven wrong. However, when we are proven wrong, we are VERY swift at doling out much deserved justice to the offender(s). Through legal means, of course! :)

I remember the threads at Comicon.com. I used to lurk there quite a bit back then. And, yes, he most likely WILL attempt to apologize and charm his way out of this mess. Luckily, the people who are affected this time are too damned smart to fall for it. (And if anyone DOES, they will get a personal ass-kicking from ME.)

I agree. This time, it's not just our little slice of the cyberspace pie that is affected. He's pissed on too many people from all over, and now they are finally banding together to put a stop to it. Good on all of ya!

While I'm at it, let me state for the record: I've never had any dealings with Rick Olney outside of the CBR forums (thankfully), and have no "personal" interest in this or "personal" vendetta against the man. HOWEVER. He has pissed on too many people I like and respect and many that I consider family. For this reason alone, if I can be of any help at all to ANY of you, drop me an e-mail or PM. I'll be more than happy to do whatever needs to be done to put this asshat out of business for good.

~Bev

[DocAbsurd]

But see, that would have sent up a huge warning flag to me as a creator.

Imagine, if you will, that I'm actually a gifted writer at the top of my craft. Please, I know it's hard but bear with me.

Joe Blow from Acme Publishing contacts me and agrees to pay my going rate, a rate that usually only decent sized labels can handle with relative easy.

Acme has never published anything. Joe Blow is no one of note and not known to be rolling in dough. His reputation is a bit suspect and it seems his organizational skills are horribly lacking.

At this point I'd be saying thanks but no thanks. Unless I'd be seeing some serious up front money and background checks looked good.

But here's how he does it, Tom:

He contacts all these hopefuls, all these small pressers looking for a break just as Corrina said. He offers them decent pages rates (in my case specifically, he offered me what most professional columnists get, but never a cent above the minimum 500 words). When said creators get in touch with others who just got offered the same thing, their stories match.

Bingo, instant confirmation.

Then he sends out NDAs and threatens them -- sorry, warns them with legal action if they speak about their rates to anyone outside their concentration camp of creativity. He effectively prevents them from finding anything about his past doings.

This time around, he was even smarter and had a creative director handle the initial contacts. That put him further away from the spotlight and suspicions. Like he did with the ICC; he begged me not to mention his name in connection with it. I staved off lots of questions from interested creators and calmed their fears that he might be involved. Then after the ideas are percolating and the interest starts in he begins bragging about how everything was his idea.

That's when he claims credit for it.

He's shrewd, y'gotta give him that much.




Doc 'Behind the Curtain' Absurd

[MacQuarrie]

5. when you go through and delete your posts and replace them with a nice big version of your avatar image, it makes it really, really, REALLY easy to see which posts you've deleted and which ones you haven't, yet.
You know what would be really funny? If somebody with moderator access were to go into the "edit post" function and put all Orca's original posts back they originally were.

If I were a mod, I'd be doing it right now.

[Gail Simone]

I have been reluctant to speak about him publically. But...

My name is Chuck Satterlee. I am currently a small press writer with a few series out there. I am also an employee of Markosia Enterprises.

My history goes back a couple years with Rick.

When I had two series at Speakeasy, one of those series...(Of Bitter Souls) was drawn by Norm Breyfogle. For those of you who remember, Norm is a legend (at least in my opinion) and had one of the greatest runs on Detective and Batman ever. Norm is also one of the nicest and most generous people in comics. Back then, Rick had contacted Norm and invited him to go to his Mighty Mini-Con. Rick was supposed to pay for the trip, hotel, and give him a $100 per diem. I remember that Norm and I had the opportunity to sign together at a bigger convention but Norm, who NEVER breaks his word, had already said yes to Rick. The days drew closer to the show...and no word about his plane ticket or accomidations. Then the day came...and no word and Norm was blown off. When Norm spoke about this on the Speakeasy boards, Rick went into what can only be described as the mother of all rants. He had a ton of excuses why his behavior was not unprofessional.

Then time passed.

Norm, being the forgiving guy he is, agreed the following year to try it again.

Same result.

Then, because I guess I am an idiot...I fell for it as well.

Rick invited a bunch of Markosia creators to the MIghty Mini-Con. Same promises...

The list included:

Freddie E. Williams II who is a very good friend of mine.
Tom Hall and Daniel Bradford who are doing a book for Markosia.
Me
Brian Augustyn
Chris Dibari
JOse Torres
Sal Cipriano

Freddie...who is exclusive at DC now, and my other friends waited and waited for the travel arrangements and such.

Nothing...

Repeated e-mails asking for clarification...

Nothing...

Then, he told us he had some family problems and deaths...

He siad that is why he did not contact anybody.

Poor Ronee kept trying to get word to us but she knew nothing during that time either.

Now, we're just small press, but we all scheduled that time and believe me, every show counts when you're small press. We all gave up other shows to do this.

Then...and it starts to get weird here...

He started contacting me and asking if I had been talking poorly of him. I really hadn;t. I had kept this to myself and so did ALL of my firends.

I am no angel. I have had my share of public internet fights. But man...this was crazy. He kept quizzing me on who might be talking about him. I tried just to forget the problems and he kept contacting me through myspace. I just don;t get him. Let sleeping dogs lie or some shit like that. Why keep dragging this on with people?

Apparently, Norm and my friends and I were lucky, we were only inconvienienced and not out the money.

This story keeps getting more and more odd. It seems like just about everyone has had a run-in with him at one time or another.

I am sure I am next to get sued now. But hey...if I only said it twenty times, I am small press, I could use a good court case to get some publicity. :)



Chuck, thank you, and thank you everyone who has come forward. It takes guts.

Like everyone, I'm sorry you ran into this guy.

Gail

[Paul Newell]

But what if he has a published work with the same name. Is the difference between program and website (which offers no program) enough?
Only if you infringed the copyright, if any, of the public work, such as publishing it on your website in full without any copyright notices. Or tried selling the published work without authorization.

The term itself shouldn't be a problem as it appears to quite common in use. Trademark infringement would only happen if you used the other trademark without permission or tried to associate your work with the other owners without permission.

[TCJohnson]

Um.

I know how to make rice krispy treats.


Gail, hangs head in shame

Better be bringing some to CAPE!

[Sean_Jackson]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/orcafresh/TLE/RickOlneyMHMiC.jpg

Dear 6 pound 3 ounce baby Jesus...

This is the saddest thing I've ever seen.

This is the saddest thing I've ever seen.

This is sadder than this being my first post on this thread, sadder than this being my first post on this board. Thinking that baby rick could hide his posts, thinking that they wouldn't be archived.

Yours in the baby Jesus, who is watching 'The Best of the Baby Einstein' videos.

Sean Jackson.

[OzBat!]

You know what would be really funny? If somebody with moderator access were to go into the "edit post" function and put all Orca's original posts back they originally were.

If I were a mod, I'd be doing it right now.Nah, 'cause then we'd leave ourselves open to claims of messing with his posts.

[Gail Simone]

Coleen. I feel like you're holding back. Let it all out. :)

I am feeling pretty stupid now, but remember what I said:

I had no reason not to trust him, and every reason to be thankful that I didn't have to shut down and rename and go through a title search and all that so it didn't happen again.

Listen, do NOT beat yourself up. Nearly everyone here fell for something dumb at some point, most of us with the same exact guy! :)

Gail

[Wil Radcliffe]

In the case of Tightlip, ol Rickster recruited one of the most honest and decent people I know as his Creative Director. That's why I signed on without any qualms. I absolutely do not blame the TLE Creative Director for any of this mess whatsoever. It's all on Rick. And Rick has no idea how lucky he was to have such a professional working for him. It's the only thing that kept me from speaking out sooner.

[Chris N]

Hey all!

The following is my work-in-progess.

http://www.math.ucsb.edu/~cnowlin/Olney (http://www.math.ucsb.edu/~cnowlin/Olney)

It is motivated by a desire to advertise this thread combined with the understanding that it was too much for anyone to read.

It includes a list of links to some of the most relevant posts, sorted by poster.

It unfortunately got hit hard by Olney's deletions today. So the section involving the bullshit spoken by Rick himself is under construction. I hastily copied half of what I wanted over, but much formatting and image adding is needed. I'll work on it tonight.

I know nothing about web page design, so anyone who can do better is welcome to steal any part it to do something of their own, of course.

I read the first 100 pages in detail, then started skimming, searching by poster, etc. So I'm open to suggestions about anything I'm missing.

Thanks!

Chris

[Kurt Busiek]

I'm dumbfounded by that kind of spending.

Spending?

kdb

[MacQuarrie]

I doubt that it would have happened already. More than likely if they decide to do anything, they would investigate more first, then do a story that would run to fill air time at some point. But I wonder just how "newsworthy" it would actually be outside of the comics community.

One of those "I'm on your side" consumer advocate reporters would eat it up. "Local slimebag rips off starving artists, then threatens to sue them to keep them quiet about it." Tabloid television at its finest!

[Matt Doc Martin]

Oh, do I want to hear from that stupid asshat...


I want to see him twisting in the wind.

Alas, poor Olney...we hardly knew ye, ye stupid sack of shit.

[Gail Simone]

You are not the only one understandy copyright law and you are not the only one to be conned by the lemming. Hell, I think even gail was taken in at first, and she had reason to not trust him.

Absolutely. The stupid thing is, I never believed his bullshit about how wonderful he was...I just felt he was a well-meaning goofus and I have a thing about supporting the underdog.

Mainly I just wanted to meet Tom Peyer in person.

Gail

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Where did you get $60,000 from? Did I miss something?

From this:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Holy Batshit.

Just got an email from someone who I'm keeping anonymous for the time being; all I can say is that he worked closely with Ronee on the botched TLE experiment.

I'm just gonna c-n-p a couple pertinent points from his email to the News10 crew:

'I have a contract with him . . . that . . . he terminated December 24th, 2006, blaming me for his own negligence. In the . . . months I worked for him, my invoices totalling $15,480 piled up, unpaid. He is further provoking me with legal threats to complete . . . a particular book titled TALES OF THE SPOOKY #1.'

Now we know where the 'legal wranglings' stem from.

'But, his promises to pay myself and the assembled 28 freelance contractors . . . dragged on a further 6 months since, and on one book alone, he amassed a debt of $25,000 more.'

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu udge.

On top of what's been stated here, that's another $40,480 he owes to creators. He owes more for work completed in the past 12 months than most people earn in a fiscal year.

'60 pages of comic book art and writing are assembled and unheard of by the world because he refuses to pay.'

And I was bitching and moaning about what he owes me for 9 measly columns? I'm ashamed of myself. I got another email this morning from a nearby creator who's gonna have to put off his marriage plans because Moby refuses to pay him and he had counted on that money to help finance their upcoming nuptials. Now that is fucking pond scum.

Note the date of my friend's contract with Olney being terminated: December 24th. That's the week after I spoke out, the very same day he deleted the ICC stuff. He set out to not only screw everyone, but to purposely kill our holidays with these actions.

After yesterday's riotous outbursts and your subsequent deletion of your posts today, I pretty much figured you couldn't possibly sink any lower in my opinion, Moby.

Once again you continue to amaze.




Doc 'Worthless in More Ways Than One' Absurd



At least estimate someone figured Olney owed $ 17,000 grand to creators. We knew there was more but now its hit near the $ 60,000 mark judging from the $ 40,840 total here and the money he owes the website/Ronee as well.

[sk716]

Speaking of which, is there a link for the Unscrewed site....?? :)

So far all that's live is the forums.

But you're welcome to visit them and check in occasionally to see how far along I've gotten.

http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/forums/index.php

[Matt Doc Martin]

Hey all!

The following is my work-in-progess.

http://www.math.ucsb.edu/~cnowlin/Olney

It is motivated by a desire to advertise this thread combined with the understanding that it was too much for anyone to read.

It includes a list of links to some of the most relevant posts, sorted by poster.

It unfortunately got hit hard by Olney's deletions today. So the section involving the bullshit spoken by Rick himself is under construction. I hastily copied half of what I wanted over, but much formatting and image adding is needed. I'll work on it tonight.

I know nothing about web page design, so anyone who can do better is welcome to steal any part it to do something of their own, of course.

I read the first 100 pages in detail, then started skimming, searching by poster, etc. So I'm open to suggestions about anything I'm missing.

Thanks!

Chris


what is your email? I will send you what I have.

[Gail Simone]

I'm dumbfounded by that kind of spending. I'm a self publishing small press dude myself. I'd be completely insane to create anything with that kind of price tag.

It's part of his pattern. He desperately needs to be loved and also to feel like a big deal. He can't go to a creator and offer a small press page rate, because that would fill neither need.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

I compressed the files I have collected...I can now email the package to anyone that needs it.

Well done, Matt. Thanks for saving us that hassle!

Gail

[sk716]

Yep, that's pretty much what I remember. It spread over several sites and message boards.

Seems to me that, when it comes to giving people a second chance, CBR is tops. Sadly, this also means we'll occassionally be proven wrong. However, when we are proven wrong, we are VERY swift at doling out much deserved justice to the offender(s). Through legal means, of course! :)

I remember the threads at Comicon.com. I used to lurk there quite a bit back then. And, yes, he most likely WILL attempt to apologize and charm his way out of this mess. Luckily, the people who are affected this time are too damned smart to fall for it. (And if anyone DOES, they will get a personal ass-kicking from ME.)

I agree. This time, it's not just our little slice of the cyberspace pie that is affected. He's pissed on too many people from all over, and now they are finally banding together to put a stop to it. Good on all of ya!

While I'm at it, let me state for the record: I've never had any dealings with Rick Olney outside of the CBR forums (thankfully), and have no "personal" interest in this or "personal" vendetta against the man. HOWEVER. He has pissed on too many people I like and respect and many that I consider family. For this reason alone, if I can be of any help at all to ANY of you, drop me an e-mail or PM. I'll be more than happy to do whatever needs to be done to put this asshat out of business for good.

~Bev

Did I mention it's good to have you back?

[TCJohnson]

Absolutely. The stupid thing is, I never believed his bullshit about how wonderful he was...I just felt he was a well-meaning goofus and I have a thing about supporting the underdog.

Mainly I just wanted to meet Tom Peyer in person.

Gail

Dear god, you understood what I wrote? That was barely comprehensible. I either really need sleep or my dyslexia is kicking up a storm.

[matterconsumer]

It's part of his pattern. He desperately needs to be loved and also to feel like a big deal. He can't go to a creator and offer a small press page rate, because that would fill neither need.

Gail

Bigger names attract sales (if the comic actually became available).

Big names also help to attract other big names.

[wishlish]

From this:


At least estimate someone figured Olney owed $ 17,000 grand to creators. We knew there was more but now its hit near the $ 60,000 mark judging from the $ 40,840 total here and the money he owes the website/Ronee as well.

Let's tally it up:

So far, we now know of the $40K number for Tales of the Spooky. There's also Ronee's money, the creative director's money, the web designer's money, and the moneys owed from Freedom 3 and Monster-something (I'm tired).

We don't know those other numbers, but we do know that at least one creator, Mike Bullock, claims to be out thousands of dollars. His company did coloring and lettering work, if I recall.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Well done, Matt. Thanks for saving us that hassle!

Gail

I just hate this "man" so fucking much. I am a bad person, but I want him to suffer.

(yes, I love the Punisher...and he'd be perfect for this)

[DocAbsurd]

The more I see that stupid image, the more I realize just how fucking delusional he is. He's really built himself up in his mind to be a martyr, the scapegoat of every conspiracy he's ever dreamed of. He has no credits to his name; in fact, he has nothing but discredits. Yet he claims we're so jealous of his raw talent -- talent he has to farm out and con others into and eventually take credit for -- that we're ready to nail him to a cross.

And he absolutely relishes that fact to the point where he has to commission someone to draw him a picture he can wear proudly when he pounds his chest in proclamation of how much we all hate him.

I'd truly love to know who drew it, and exactly how much they know about the 'Most Despicable Man Near Comics'.




Doc 'Olney Season' Absurd

[Thomas Mauer]

I have been reluctant to speak about him publically. But...

My name is Chuck Satterlee. I am currently a small press writer with a few series out there. I am also an employee of Markosia Enterprises.

My history goes back a couple years with Rick.

When I had two series at Speakeasy...

<slaps forehead>

So THAT's where I remembered him from.

[JTPencils]

I just had a horrible thought.

That $40K number was for one book, right? Just Tales of the Spooky?

There's two other titles out there- Monster Squad and Freedom 3- that work was also done on.

Now, I get that Tales of the Spooky was in development a bit longer than the other two books. But if he was stupid enough to promise the same high page rates on those books as TotS...plus Ronee's debt and the webmaster's debt (I remember reading about that at the beginning on all this)...

How much DOES Olney owe? Is this a 6-figure debt?

Astounding isn't it? For myself, I was involved with the Freedom 3 project. Thankfully, I only got three pages in before I started to smell the rotting fish. I also had some limited involvement with the Monster Squad title, but primarily only character design's. I think what really started to make me question, was that he provided me with a decent amount of artwork that had been done previously (to revamp characters), and yet, nothing of this had ever been put to print. I just couldn't understand it. Which mean's the folks who did THAT work, should also be included in this.

If you add it all up, the numbers are mind blowing.

[TCJohnson]

From this:


Ok, I did miss something. I really am tired.

[neko onna]

That number is OBSCENE!!! $40 or $60 grand...where is the lawyer from last night...can this be a class action suit yet?

[Gail Simone]

You know what would be really funny? If somebody with moderator access were to go into the "edit post" function and put all Orca's original posts back they originally were.

If I were a mod, I'd be doing it right now.

I don't know how!

Gail

[kingdom2000]

NM see the cic site has already been updated so my previous comment became pointless.

[DocAbsurd]

OMG, JT, I completely forgot about that!

Every time he had another falling out with another creator, he put a whole new team together to start from scratch. Like with the logo: I know the guy who did it originally, but when he jumped ship for paying gigs and started asking for credit for designing the logo especially for the title, Moby scrapped it and called for a new one. Without paying for the first one.

I figure each title had at least 2 complete false starts, if not more.

Let me say again:

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu udge.




Doc 'F Dash Dash Dash' Absurd

[Gail Simone]

Astounding isn't it? For myself, I was involved with the Freedom 3 project. Thankfully, I only got three pages in before I started to smell the rotting fish. I also had some limited involvement with the Monster Squad title, but primarily only character design's. I think what really started to make me question, was that he provided me with a decent amount of artwork that had been done previously (to revamp characters), and yet, nothing of this had ever been put to print. I just couldn't understand it. Which mean's the folks who did THAT work, should also be included in this.

If you add it all up, the numbers are mind blowing.


You did those? I thought the art was very nice.

Gail

[Papergirl]

Did I mention it's good to have you back?

It's great to be back! I love finally having the time to sit and read more than just my few non-spam e-mails. :D

~Bev
Who has missed you all so much!

[Crowley]

I don't know how!

Gail

OOOOOOH... Ozbat!

[Gail Simone]

OMG, JT, I completely forgot about that!

Every time he had another falling out with another creator, he put a whole new team together to start from scratch. Like with the logo: I know the guy who did it originally, but when he jumped ship for paying gigs and started asking for credit for designing the logo especially for the title, Moby scrapped it and called for a new one. Without paying for the first one.

I figure each title had at least 2 complete false starts, if not more.

Let me say again:

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu udge.




Doc 'F Dash Dash Dash' Absurd

That would explain why there are almost no credits anywhere on the TLE website.

Damn. This guy...urgh. He just plain makes me sick.

Gail

[OzBat!]

OOOOOOH... Ozbat!I repeat: NOT a good idea! 'cause then we'd leave ourselves open to claims of messing with his posts.

And he's quite capable of hanging himself without our help.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Ok, I did miss something. I really am tired.

Its pretty clear he owes a shitload of money. Not the small amount many figured...but a shitload. A shitload that could see him in massive trouble.

And me....I just like saying shitload. See...I said shitload again.














shitload.

[OzBat!]

That's a shitload of...


well!

[Matt Doc Martin]

I repeat: NOT a good idea! 'cause then we'd leave ourselves open to claims of messing with his posts.

And he's quite capable of hanging himself without our help.

I think that between the individuals who made copies AND the backups here, he is pretty much fucked, regardless of what posts he changes now.

[matterconsumer]

It's great to be back! I love finally having the time to sit and read more than just my few non-spam e-mails. :D

~Bev
Who has missed you all so much!

Welcome back!

[MacQuarrie]

Not to disagree with you, but you can copyright a phrase or a single word.
I'm pretty sure you can't.
Copyright FAQs (http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html#what_protect)

[TCJohnson]

No offense meant to CitC at all, but I think it is fairly funny that he is the one person who comes in here even close to defending the guy ("All my experiences with him have been positive.") and what happens? Another Olney victim. (Again, CitC, you are in very good company.)

[neko onna]

ok..forgive me here..but this may be a naive question...But waht happens to all the art/scripts/logos/columns etc..does he actually HAVE this stuff of do they still belong to the people who created them..I mean.. It seems to me that since he has not paid fo rthe "product" he can't own it? But I could just be totally off base.

[Gail Simone]

I say again.

Rick is not banned. We specifically left his ISP open. I do not want him to be able to retract all his posts as if they never happened, as he tried to do here and has done elsewhere repeatedly. He threatened, he uttered anti-gay and anti-female slurs, and he repeatedly lied himself into a deep, deep pit. He can take responsibility for his actions, for once.

He can come back here any time. I do not ban people.

But he's not going to be allowed to pretend he didn't write all those comments.

Gail

[DocAbsurd]

Oh, and please don't blame the Creative Director. He's no more at fault than Ronee or I. You honestly have no idea how shitty he feels over getting so many creators wrapped up in this.

To make matters worse, Moby pinned the blame on Chuck (hope he doesn't mind me calling him Chuck) not getting his payment or any warning of his non-payment solely on the CD. 'The CD dropped the ball on this one,' I was told. 'I was busy with funeral arrangements and feeling sorry for myself and plotting my next course of revenge on Chuck.'

. . .

Okay, I made up the part about revenge.

Something else I recalled while we were talking about the MMC horror-con:

Remember the auction that was supposed to happen during the show but got delayed until after the doors closed? Remember all those donated items? They all got locked up in Unca Scrooge's moneybin. And even though 2005's horror-con was canceled, donations for that auction were still being accepted.

And similarly locked up in an undisclosed location in Duckburg.




Doc 'Suspiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicious' Absurd

[MacQuarrie]

I would go ahead and remove the TightLip tagline from the bottom of your site. One, Rick lied to you, he doesn't own anything. Two, you really don't want anyone associating you with Olney at this point.
Three, you are publicly giving Olney legal ownership to everything you write on your site.

Change your footer if you haven't yet done so.

[Wil Radcliffe]

No offense meant to CitC at all, but I think it is fairly funny that he is the one person who comes in here even close to defending the guy ("All my experiences with him have been positive.") and what happens? Another Olney victim. (Again, CitC, you are in very good company.)

That's how Rick does it. He finds good, honest people and uses them. He exploits their talents, their connections, and their ideas for his own selfish gain.

He should probably run for office.

[matterconsumer]

The whole trademark issue is mostly about legal power. Whether right or wrong a company with enough legal power can take you to court and drain you.

Companies will trademark words or phrases or to be most accurate will simply take you to court to try and force you not to use those words or phrases.

[Papergirl]

Welcome back!

Thank you! :D

~Bev

[Wil Radcliffe]

ok..forgive me here..but this may be a naive question...But waht happens to all the art/scripts/logos/colums etc..does he actually HAVE this stuff of do they still belong to the people who created them..I mean.. It seems to me that since he has not paid fo rthe "product" he can't own it? But I could just be totally off base.

He claims up and down that the creators have no right to the work even though they haven't been paid, and in many cases where there was no contract. But I'm looking into that.

[CitC]

I'm pretty sure you can't.
Copyright FAQs

Can I copyright my domain name?
Copyright law does not protect domain names.This is the one I am glad to see, because even if all of you people involved in this as a living are wrong :) I can still keep the domain name to reroute everything with the original one to the right place.

[TCJohnson]

I say again.

Rick is not banned. We specifically left his ISP open. I do not want him to be able to retract all his posts as if they never happened, as he tried to do here and has done elsewhere repeatedly. He threatened, he uttered anti-gay and anti-female slurs, and he repeatedly lied himself into a deep, deep pit. He can take responsibility for his actions, for once.

He can come back here any time. I do not ban people.

But he's not going to be allowed to pretend he didn't write all those comments.

Gail

Can he use his old name or needs a new one? For clarification.

[Gail Simone]

One thing that really appalled me at the con. He was outside resting, and a couple girls who had made INCREDIBLE costumes for a costume show that was advertised but never held at the con, came up and asked him about it. He tried to brush them off, but my husband, who has an actual heart and not the sad lump of coal Olney has, made a big fuss about them showing off their costumes (since they'd obviously worked darn hard) so we clapped and complimented them mightily. One young lady made an unbelievably fun Jack Skellington outfit.

Apparently (and this part, honestly, is pure speculation based on what the girls said), there was supposed to be a prize for the winner. They asked about it, and Rick, who could not have been more dismissive, said, "I'll get you a gift certificate or something," without even looking at her.

Bleah. I'd forgotten about that.

Gail

[OzBat!]

Attention: Richard "orcafresh" Olney:

If you want to come on back to address any of these new allegations, it appears you have an old leftover sockpuppet account here: Magnus Grimoire (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/member.php?u=9930). Grab your password and come on back!

You might want to hold off on the sexual innuendo and trash talk this time around. My tolerance for it has gone, and so will you be if you cannot control yourself, especially since the allegations have gotten that much more serious.

[matterconsumer]

What would be ideal is if the bulletin board software would simply turn off the edit function for him.

I know of one board that only allows the edit function to work for 30 minutes but I don't know the capabilities of this board...

[Wil Radcliffe]

Oh, and please don't blame the Creative Director. He's no more at fault than Ronee or I. You honestly have no idea how shitty he feels over getting so many creators wrapped up in this.

Yeah. Like I said earlier, the creative director was the only reason I kept silent about this. But then ol' Rick canned him on Christmas Eve, without paying him to boot!

Disloyalty gets disloyalty, Ricky!

[TCJohnson]

Oh, and please don't blame the Creative Director. He's no more at fault than Ronee or I. You honestly have no idea how shitty he feels over getting so many creators wrapped up in this.


Just from reading his blog I always got the impression he was a really good guy and although he doesn't know it he did me a good turn once. I hope he ends up here, and I don't think at this point anybody would hold anything against him.

[JTPencils]

You did those? I thought the art was very nice.

Gail

Thanks Gail. I felt I was getting in on the ground floor of something... instead I was stepping into the bildge of a sinking ship!

[Matt Doc Martin]

I say again.

Rick is not banned. We specifically left his ISP open. I do not want him to be able to retract all his posts as if they never happened, as he tried to do here and has done elsewhere repeatedly. He threatened, he uttered anti-gay and anti-female slurs, and he repeatedly lied himself into a deep, deep pit. He can take responsibility for his actions, for once.

He can come back here any time. I do not ban people.

But he's not going to be allowed to pretend he didn't write all those comments.

Gail

Has anyone signed up with his ISP today?

[Jared H.]

So some folks are expecting exaggerated apologies from Olney at this point?

I understand that he's done so before, and that what is about to come down on him will be like unto the thumb of God, but it's my experience with taking crazies to Court is that they'll keep the threats going all the way to the bench(admittedly, I've only had to do so once, but there are similarities between my own experience and the current situation).

Besides, I figure at this point that he's scrambling so hard(and so amusingly ineffectually!) to cover up his previous remarks that to apologize would be to acknowledge wrongdoing that he's trying to pretend never happened.

In any case, I hope he understands one simple fact: the only apology that has any chance of working at this point is direct financial restitution to the injured parties. And even then, I think this train has built up too much steam to be slowed much.

I can't wait to read about his day(s) in court.

[Gail Simone]

Can he use his old name or needs a new one? For clarification.

For now, he needs a new one. He's reading every post, we all know it.

It was a choice of this, or letting him get away with removing all the vile things he said, quite possibly allowing some people to believe he didn't say them.

This works for me. It's not a banning at all. He can come in as himself or a sock puppet.

But he ain't gonna pretend he didn't say those things.

Gail

[TCJohnson]

Yeah. Like I said earlier, the creative director was the only reason I kept silent about this. But then ol' Rick canned him on Christmas Eve, without paying him to boot!

Disloyalty gets disloyalty, Ricky!

yikes...read he was fired on Dec. 24th but didn't make the connection....


What a freakin' scumbag.

[kmeyers]

Attention: Richard "orcafresh" Olney:

If you want to come on back to address any of these new allegations, it appears you have an old leftover sockpuppet account here: Magnus Grimoire (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/member.php?u=9930). Grab your password and come on back!

You might want to hold off on the sexual innuendo and trash talk this time around. My tolerance for it has gone, and so will you be if you cannot control yourself, especially since the allegations have gotten that much more serious.

orcafresh taught him that he is an idiot carpenter. Why would he screw himself further with his incompetence?

He's delete crazy, we'll not hear of his inadequacy again...except in re-runs.

[matterconsumer]

One thing that really appalled me at the con. He was outside resting, and a couple girls who had made INCREDIBLE costumes for a costume show that was advertised but never held at the con, came up and asked him about it. He tried to brush them off, but my husband, who has an actual heart and not the sad lump of coal Olney has, made a big fuss about them showing off their costumes (since they'd obviously worked darn hard) so we clapped and complimented them mightily. One young lady made an unbelievably fun Jack Skellington outfit.

Apparently (and this part, honestly, is pure speculation based on what the girls said), there was supposed to be a prize for the winner. They asked about it, and Rick, who could not have been more dismissive, said, "I'll get you a gift certificate or something," without even looking at her.

Bleah. I'd forgotten about that.

Gail

What human wouldn't appreciate a well done costume?

[Gail Simone]

Attention: Richard "orcafresh" Olney:

If you want to come on back to address any of these new allegations, it appears you have an old leftover sockpuppet account here: Magnus Grimoire (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/member.php?u=9930). Grab your password and come on back!

You might want to hold off on the sexual innuendo and trash talk this time around. My tolerance for it has gone, and so will you be if you cannot control yourself, especially since the allegations have gotten that much more serious.

You know, it's so funny, because Magnus Grimoire on his ridiculous Monster Squad proposal is so blatantly a Mary Sue to represent himself that it's ridiculous. I will guarantee at some point he told the artist to draw himself, but not so creepy.

And I can guarantee you, without reading the comic, that that is the respected, wise, mystical character.

Gail

[CitC]

Three, you are publicly giving Olney legal ownership to everything you write on your site.

Change your footer if you haven't yet done so.

I just finished. I'll have to go back and check everything though.

No offense meant to CitC at all, but I think it is fairly funny that he is the one person who comes in here even close to defending the guy ("All my experiences with him have been positive.") and what happens? Another Olney victim. (Again, CitC, you are in very good company.) Hey, I'm an elementary school teacher (on "new baby leave" for the week - which is fortunate for me tonight). I have to be diplomatic when talking to the parents of a kid that throws a chair at me.

I will say that no money was ever promissed by him, nor given by me. Any other conversations we had(apart fromthe ( C ) thing - thanks again everyone, and I think I am going to follow through with the message I left with my lawyers secretary yesterday just to be sure) will remain between he and I - since they do not deal with the issue of money owed - uness of course I am forced to be undiplomatic. Is that even a word?

[Gail Simone]

What human wouldn't appreciate a well done costume?

Actually, I have no doubt that he was tired. But these young ladies had worked so hard, and expected to be able to show their hard work and he couldn't even be bothered to pay attention.

BLEAH.

I get tired at cons. Very tired. But I would feel like a complete jackass if I couldn't muster up the courtesy to be NICE to people who mean me nothing but kindness and support.

Gail

[TCJohnson]

I just finished. I'll have to go back and check everything though.

Hey, I'm an elementary school teacher (on "new baby leave" for the week - which is fortunate for me tonight). I have to be diplomatic when talking to the parents of a kid that throws a chair at me.

Happy Birthday to your little one.

[JTPencils]

Oh, and please don't blame the Creative Director. He's no more at fault than Ronee or I. You honestly have no idea how shitty he feels over getting so many creators wrapped up in this.


Mind you, this was at least his second (or possibly third) CD. I'm well acquainted with, (and work well with) the first CD that Rick put the screws to. He's grown tired of even thinking about this whole fiasco.. but just wanted to point it out to show... Rick's gone thru more talented folks and abused them then a carnival barker!

[NatGertler]

But what if he has a published work with the same name. Is the difference between program and website (which offers no program) enough?Again, if he's claiming copyright, it doesn't matter. I presume you ran the planned copyright phrase past him and he said ok? Because then, even if he was claiming trademark in the phrase, he has chosen not to protect that trademark... and that right there can kill a trademark.

Get his name off of your site, and don't worry about it.

(Just went to www.uspto.gov and did a search on their registered trademark database for the phrase "comics in the classroom". Not a single registered trademark was found.)

[THEDOC]

Something kinda significant occurred to me today after I'd taken a meeting with a new client.

I've been involved in various Hollywood productions for about thirty years. I've worked for most of the animation studios as a producer, director, writer, designer, storyboard artist and development guy (among other functions). I've worked with quite a few live-action outfits as well. Plus, tons of "little guys" with projects in need of development. I even had to sue a major animation studio (now no longer in existence) over the rights to one of my characters, and they settled out of court with me at the last minute.

(I'm not bragging here; it's just the setup. Bear with me, please.)

Sooooo...when you consider how many human snakes are on the loose here in Tinseltown -- and you've gotta realize, Hollywood's reputation for being full of swindlers and con-men is, if anything, UNDERstated -- I've never met or worked with anyone here who even approaches the level of duplicity and sheer craziness that Rick Olney's displayed here.

Not. Even. CLOSE.

If that doesn't say something significant about Olney, I don't know what does!

Aloha,

Scott!

Hmm "Rick" reminds me of a Chicago Comic Publisher I worked with back in the mid 90's. I wonder if they are related..hmmm never saw them in the same place together...hmmmmmm

[TCJohnson]

I get tired at cons. Very tired. But I would feel like a complete jackass if I couldn't muster up the courtesy to be NICE to people who mean me nothing but kindness and support.

Just pointing out the opperative word. You actually feel.

[matterconsumer]

Actually, I have no doubt that he was tired. But these young ladies had worked so hard, and expected to be able to show their hard work and he couldn't even be bothered to pay attention.

BLEAH.

I get tired at cons. Very tired. But I would feel like a complete jackass if I couldn't muster up the courtesy to be NICE to people who mean me nothing but kindness and support.

Gail

We'll think kind thoughts for them and who knows maybe they'll get to read this.

[wishlish]

I just finished. I'll have to go back and check everything though.

Hey, I'm an elementary school teacher (on "new baby leave" for the week - which is fortunate for me tonight). I have to be diplomatic when talking to the parents of a kid that throws a chair at me.

Congrats on the kid.

I had one thought- don't trademark the "comics in the classroom" phrase. DO protect all of your content and design and logo work. But since there are other "comics in the classroom" programs, why trademark it? Let there be lots of programs that get good comics in the schools (and libraries).

But then again, I could be wrong, and if others want to correct me, please do so.

Good luck with the new baby! Got any photos? Boy or girl? How's the proud mother? You know, if it's a boy, "Ray" is a great name...;)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Attention: Richard "orcafresh" Olney:

If you want to come on back to address any of these new allegations, it appears you have an old leftover sockpuppet account here: Magnus Grimoire (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/member.php?u=9930). Grab your password and come on back!

You might want to hold off on the sexual innuendo and trash talk this time around. My tolerance for it has gone, and so will you be if you cannot control yourself, especially since the allegations have gotten that much more serious.

Someone to at least get it across that he isn't banned , should post this on his blog. Maybe you OzBat since he may listen to you.

[Paul Newell]

Hey, I'm an elementary school teacher (on "new baby leave" for the week - which is fortunate for me tonight). I have to be diplomatic when talking to the parents of a kid that throws a chair at me.
Congratulations Scott. :)

[Wil Radcliffe]

Well, it is late in Mohawk. He could be out... feeding on roadkill.

[Gail Simone]

As an example of the other kind...my son has become a big Stan Sakai fan, because of Scott Shaw's high praise. Now he loves Usagi Yojimbo.

Stan had just finished a long panel and looked exhausted. More than that, he had to go to the bathroom. My son, knowing he might not see Stan again, broke the protocol rules by asking for an autograph, but at least he said, "It's okay, I know you're in a hurry and can't do a sketch, but could I get your signature, please?"

And Stan, though CLEARLY in need of a bathroom break, drew a quick Usagi sketch for my son and couldn't have been nicer.

Yes, the sketch means a lot to my son. But more than that, he treasures having met a great artist he really respects who CARED enough to be nice to him. We have stories like that about Scott Shaw, Sergio Aragones, Terry Dodson, Alvin Lee, the Greg the Bunny guys, and dozens of others.

The lesson learned is that even though these guys are plenty big enough names that they COULD be dismissive jerks, they instead show nothing but class and kindness. And I've seen this several times, but it's often the no-talent bum who is unkind and arrogant and needlessly awful.

Stan taking the time to draw that sketch when he clearly had other important...uh...duties...well, that taught my son a lot. And as I say, we saw the greats in the industry behave that same way again and again. James Kolchaka, Kyle Baker...these guys we both saw at the end of the con when they were packing up and exhausted and BOTH insisted on doing sketches for Cody's book even when we told them it was okay, we understood.

Class. You can't buy it, and Rick?


You can't fake it.


Gail

[Momma Absurd]

Now not only do I have a pounding headache but I have carefully went through each and every post with all the figures listed and I have added this 4 times so I know I am correct...I will have my sister redo it tomorrow after shes had her pot of coffee for verification but.........

According to all the figures that have been turned in and that I have calculated MR. DICK is looking at $104,650 in monies owed to people that he has comissioned work from and has had the courage to post the amounts owed here on the board.......God only knows how many others have cut their losses and left it alone.......

Onley, I loathe and despise your reason for being, I swear if I die and go to hell I will look you up just so I can personally shove your head up the ass of Satan.....

Im grouchy and headachy and now Im going to go clean.....

Momma

[CitC]

I had one thought- don't trademark the "comics in the classroom" phrase. DO protect all of your content and design and logo work. But since there are other "comics in the classroom" programs, why trademark it? Let there be lots of programs that get good comics in the schools (and libraries).

I figured that the cost of trademarking anything is too cost prohibitive at the moment, I like my images, but not worth the grand or so it would cost to completely protect them.

Good luck with the new baby! Got any photos? Boy or girl? How's the proud mother? You know, if it's a boy, "Ray" is a great name... A pic of Jack is here: http://comicsintheclassroom.net/oo2007_jan05_jackand200000.htm I call him "Low Jack" or "Odd Job" (that reference is pretty obscure :) ) And mom is doing well - my 2 yr old girl is having a bit of trouble with it. I think she's wondering when he is going home.

[THEDOC]

Now not only do I have a pounding headache but I have carefully went through each and every post with all the figures listed and I have added this 4 times so I know I am correct...I will have my sister redo it tomorrow after shes had her pot of coffee for verification but.........

According to all the figures that have been turned in and that I have calculated MR. DICK is looking at $104,650 in monies owed to people that he has comissioned work from and has had the courage to post the amounts owed here on the board.......God only knows how many others have cut their losses and left it alone.......

Onley, I loathe and despise your reason for being, I swear if I die and go to hell I will look you up just so I can personally shove your head up the ass of Satan.....

Im grouchy and headachy and now Im going to go clean.....

Momma

Gee I don't think THAT is gonna happen it's heaven for the Momma. Hell for Olney will be to see ICC be the great company I know that you and Tim will make it.

[kingdom2000]

So what was it that set Olney on his whitewash attempt and what was the bad news he was supposed to have gotten today?

[Gail Simone]

Well, I don't know if it's today, but several people are serving him papers, and that's only going to get worse.

And the calls to local tv and police certainly would put a crimp in his day, I'm sure.

Just speculating.

Gail

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Now not only do I have a pounding headache but I have carefully went through each and every post with all the figures listed and I have added this 4 times so I know I am correct...I will have my sister redo it tomorrow after shes had her pot of coffee for verification but.........

According to all the figures that have been turned in and that I have calculated MR. DICK is looking at $104,650 in monies owed to people that he has comissioned work from and has had the courage to post the amounts owed here on the board.......God only knows how many others have cut their losses and left it alone.......

Onley, I loathe and despise your reason for being, I swear if I die and go to hell I will look you up just so I can personally shove your head up the ass of Satan.....

Im grouchy and headachy and now Im going to go clean.....

Momma

My god he is like Axl Rose. Tales of the Spookey is the Chinese Democracy of comics ! :eek:

[CitC]

one more copyright question (last one I promise - unless, of course, that I think of something else). Does a website administrator, or published person have to apply for a copyright for the uploaded, or published material?

[Sarah Beach]

$100,000 plus in moneys owed & promised??????

Good God!

And back in late November, all I was thinking was that the guy needed to be exposed for the lying idiot he is, on a big enough forum.

What an outcome! Makes me glad we didn't ban him and dismiss him right away. Even though it was a pain for me personally to deal with! A confluence of people deciding this was the time to stand up! I'm all..... inspired!

What I feel sorry about is that as this comes crashing down on him, and he is called into account, even if some of those debts are settled by release of ownership, he still owes waaaaaaaay too much. And boy! is his wife going to be pissed, because he's dropped her credit rating into the toilet along with his, simply because she's his next-of-kin. So... yeah, I feel a bit sorry for his wife.

[Papergirl]

I have my copy of the thread (thanks, again, Matt!) and will be busy tomorrow making sure some local small press creators (and quite possibly local media, too) here know allllllllll about Rick Olney and his fraud.

Wheeeee! :D

~Bev

[JTPencils]

I was just contacted by the original PR person (also a CBR member) Richard Sullivan about my short tenure at TLE... I hope Richard doesn't mind that I'm including the message here...

"I don't know if you remember me, but I was the PR person while you were with
TLE. And btween you and I. I remember Rick whining about you wanting to get
paid. Claiming you weren’t due payment until F3 was published and how you
couldn’t read your contract. But, I did tell him to pay you and continue with
the book. Well, you know where that got me.

Anyway, Rick once told me that the creators owned half the characters. (It was
in the contract, I believe). This was all fifty-fifty and even if you left TLE
you could still use the characters you created. I don’t know if this is true or
not, but you may own or half-own F3. You’d have to ask someone wiser than me.
Not sure if you'd want it, but that is what I was told.

I also urged him to pay Dash. Dash kept the faith for so long. And Rick kept
telling Dash he would send payment. I don’t think Rick ever did.

Oh, BTW, after you left, Rick claimed he was going to change the contracts where
everybody would get paid for every five pages completed. He can’t pay you
because he claimed you’re not due payment because of the contract, but after you
leave he changes it? This didn’t make sense to me. Well, enough of this
depressing diatribe.

Take care"

I just wanted to let Richard know personally, and here on the board, I hold no one (other then the slime in charge) responsible for the problems that TLE has, and will have, for it's mishandling of talent. I want to thank Richard publicly for contacting me.

If anyone could clarify on the whole creation ownership thing, I'd appreciate it. I don't know the legal in's and out's of it all. I'm asking because there could be some real fun using his own characters for some serious parody illo's in the future! Or even that "benefit" book that someone mentioned a few pages ago. I want to be sure though before I commit to anything.

[neko onna]

I was just contacted by the original PR person (also a CBR member) Richard Sullivan about my short tenure at TLE... I hope Richard doesn't mind that I'm including the message here...

"I don't know if you remember me, but I was the PR person while you were with
TLE. And btween you and I. I remember Rick whining about you wanting to get
paid. Claiming you weren’t due payment until F3 was published and how you
couldn’t read your contract. But, I did tell him to pay you and continue with
the book. Well, you know where that got me.

Anyway, Rick once told me that the creators owned half the characters. (It was
in the contract, I believe). This was all fifty-fifty and even if you left TLE
you could still use the characters you created. I don’t know if this is true or
not, but you may own or half-own F3. You’d have to ask someone wiser than me.
Not sure if you'd want it, but that is what I was told.

I also urged him to pay Dash. Dash kept the faith for so long. And Rick kept
telling Dash he would send payment. I don’t think Rick ever did.

Oh, BTW, after you left, Rick claimed he was going to change the contracts where
everybody would get paid for every five pages completed. He can’t pay you
because he claimed you’re not due payment because of the contract, but after you
leave he changes it? This didn’t make sense to me. Well, enough of this
depressing diatribe.

Take care"

I just wanted to let Richard know personally, and here on the board, I hold no one (other then the slime in charge) responsible for the problems that TLE has, and will have, for it's mishandling of talent. I want to thank Richard publicly for contacting me.

well that answered my last question a few pages back.

[Gail Simone]

We don't know for sure that it's THAT high.

But it's undoubtedly in the tens of thousands, more proof of his business 'genius.'

Gail

[Jack Zodiac]

Who is Jenna Jameson?

Just some lady who could suck a golfball through a garden hose.

An "adult actress".

Er, yeah... that, too.

Kurt Busiek, Duckburg's biggest name-dropper.

Kurt's from Duckberg? Is he the curiously Sean Connery-esque relative of Scrooge McDuck? The beard, man! The beard!

I just want to remind everyone that sitting between you and Kurt at the Portland convention while you guys talked about obscure comics was FREAKISH and CREEPY.

Ah, boo! If you aren't reading Uncle $crooge, you hate comics! :mad:

You're quite right, sir. If they were the good stuff, from Dunkin, they're Donuts.

These were just Krispy Kremes, the inferior Suth'n upstart.

The only thing Krispy Kreme has on Dunkin' Donuts is being available in grocery stores for two bucks a dozen. What Dunkin' Donuts' has going on is being twenty-four hour, for my three AM cravin'.

Krispy Kremes are just.. wrong. They don't dunk properly. A good doughnut should be slightly cakey and moist. Krispy's glazes have far too high a sugar content. The whole thing is like eating slightly heavy cotton candy.

I heard dunking Krispy Kremes is like mixing acids and bases. Just an all-around fuckin' bad idea.

Hey, this is totally unrelated, but I just read Marvels for the first time last week and wanted to say that it was thoroughly amazing. Yeah...I know I'm a little bit behind.

It's never too late for praise, good man.

Kurt, thank you very much for Marvels and your run on Avengers, which is still the best it's been in decades. And Mark, thank you for Kingdom Come and Empire, and your run on The Flash, which I've been rereading during the unfortunate current state of the title.

My Eye of Aggimoto (sp?) says "Nay."

By the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth, it's the Eye of Agamotto!

[Wil Radcliffe]

$100,000 plus in moneys owed & promised??????

Good God!

And back in late November, all I was thinking was that the guy needed to be exposed for the lying idiot he is, on a big enough forum.

What an outcome! Makes me glad we didn't ban him and dismiss him right away. Even though it was a pain for me personally to deal with! A confluence of people deciding this was the time to stand up! I'm all..... inspired!

What I feel sorry about is that as this comes crashing down on him, and he is called into account, even if some of those debts are settled by release of ownership, he still owes waaaaaaaay too much. And boy! is his wife going to be pissed, because he's dropped her credit rating into the toilet along with his, simply because she's his next-of-kin. So... yeah, I feel a bit sorry for his wife.

I actually pity him. I have no reason to, I suppose. It probably stems from empathy in being unemployed. I know how depressing and unsettling that can be for someone.

On the otherhand, your typical unemployed person doesn't contact a bunch of people, tell them he has work for them, hire them to do the work, then stiff them and threaten to sue them.

Anyway, yeah, I pity him.

[Gail Simone]

Just some lady who could suck a golfball through a garden hose.



Er, yeah... that, too.



Kurt's from Duckberg? Is he the curiously Sean Connery-esque relative of Scrooge McDuck? The beard, man! The beard!



Ah, boo! If you aren't reading Uncle $crooge, you hate comics! :mad:



The only thing Krispy Kreme has on Dunkin' Donuts is being available in grocery stores for two bucks a dozen. What Dunkin' Donuts' has going on is being twenty-four hour, for my three AM cravin'.



I heard dunking Krispy Kremes is like mixing acids and bases. Just an all-around fuckin' bad idea.



It's never too late for praise, good man.

Kurt, thank you very much for Marvels and your run on Avengers, which is still the best it's been in decades. And Mark, thank you for Kingdom Come and Empire, and your run on The Flash, which I've been rereading during the unfortunate current state of the title.



By the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth, it's the Eye of Agamotto!

I haven't said it, but I find your running commentary hilarious.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

I was just contacted by the original PR person (also a CBR member) Richard Sullivan about my short tenure at TLE... I hope Richard doesn't mind that I'm including the message here...

"I don't know if you remember me, but I was the PR person while you were with
TLE. And btween you and I. I remember Rick whining about you wanting to get
paid. Claiming you weren’t due payment until F3 was published and how you
couldn’t read your contract. But, I did tell him to pay you and continue with
the book. Well, you know where that got me.

Anyway, Rick once told me that the creators owned half the characters. (It was
in the contract, I believe). This was all fifty-fifty and even if you left TLE
you could still use the characters you created. I don’t know if this is true or
not, but you may own or half-own F3. You’d have to ask someone wiser than me.
Not sure if you'd want it, but that is what I was told.

I also urged him to pay Dash. Dash kept the faith for so long. And Rick kept
telling Dash he would send payment. I don’t think Rick ever did.

Oh, BTW, after you left, Rick claimed he was going to change the contracts where
everybody would get paid for every five pages completed. He can’t pay you
because he claimed you’re not due payment because of the contract, but after you
leave he changes it? This didn’t make sense to me. Well, enough of this
depressing diatribe.

Take care"

I just wanted to let Richard know personally, and here on the board, I hold no one (other then the slime in charge) responsible for the problems that TLE has, and will have, for it's mishandling of talent. I want to thank Richard publicly for contacting me.

If anyone could clarify on the whole creation ownership thing, I'd appreciate it. I don't know the legal in's and out's of it all. I'm asking because there could be some real fun using his own characters for some serious parody illo's in the future! Or even that "benefit" book that someone mentioned a few pages ago. I want to be sure though before I commit to anything.



Good lord.

Okay, at this point, every thought that he "is actually a nice guy, but in over his head" is BULLSHIT.

This guy betrayed EVERYONE. He cheated EVERYONE.

He lied about people who did nothing but their best for him and got NOTHING but lies and threats in return.

And we've seen what he does to people who attack his delusions of being a big important wheel.

Grotesque. Worst person I've met probably EVER.

Gail

[Howler]

I did a google search on Reek's sockpuppet screen name, Magnus Grimoire. It led me to www.unexplained-mysteries.com and his postings there under the name Daring Souls.

Besides confirming my assumption he isn't truly a Pagan, (he clearly switches his beliefs based on audience) I found this post where he once again tells of how misunderstood he really is.

"There is no easy way for me to share this. So I'm just going to put it out there.

In other certain Internet circles where I am known... people think I'm crude and anti-social. Hell, they even think I'm mentally ill. Yet when people meet and speak to me in person over via the telephone ... I'm nothing like their mind painted me for them. I'm a stable adult male with several quirky hobbies and a desire to know and feel as much of life as I can. I'm a father of 5 kids, with 2 boys (ages 16 & 12) still at home. I'm a one-time husband of 29 consecutive years, and a kind and caring grampa to a 3 year old girl and boy. I am a practicing solitary Wiccan...and pay careful heed to the elements and nature. I've seen both good and bad ghosts.

Despite all that good stuff, I'm still thought to be mentally ill by a host of people online...who none know me."

Ya know, if this was anyone else I'd wonder why I bothered searching for this information. Then I remember all he has done and I realize that the more people know about him, the better they can protect themselves.

[the heckler]

But see, that would have sent up a huge warning flag to me as a creator.

Imagine, if you will, that I'm actually a gifted writer at the top of my craft. Please, I know it's hard but bear with me.

Joe Blow from Acme Publishing contacts me and agrees to pay my going rate, a rate that usually only decent sized labels can handle with relative easy.

Acme has never published anything. Joe Blow is no one of note and not known to be rolling in dough. His reputation is a bit suspect and it seems his organizational skills are horribly lacking.

At this point I'd be saying thanks but no thanks. Unless I'd be seeing some serious up front money and background checks looked good.

ya but Joe Blow told me Chuck Dixon and some other well established guys and a creative director i like are working on the book and promises to pay promptly as well as promises me another book that will be published at borders and barnes and noble after this particular project is completed.. so this naive artist throws caution to the wind and is now paying for it (or not getting paid for it)..... im speaking hypothetically of course :)

[Chris N]

Grotesque. Worst person I've met probably EVER.

Gail

I'm still not convinced he's a worse human being than Fred Phelps.

In addition, he hasn't killed anyone that I know of. So he could be worse.

[wishlish]

As an example of the other kind...my son has become a big Stan Sakai fan, because of Scott Shaw's high praise. Now he loves Usagi Yojimbo.

Stan had just finished a long panel and looked exhausted. More than that, he had to go to the bathroom. My son, knowing he might not see Stan again, broke the protocol rules by asking for an autograph, but at least he said, "It's okay, I know you're in a hurry and can't do a sketch, but could I get your signature, please?"

And Stan, though CLEARLY in need of a bathroom break, drew a quick Usagi sketch for my son and couldn't have been nicer.

Yes, the sketch means a lot to my son. But more than that, he treasures having met a great artist he really respects who CARED enough to be nice to him. We have stories like that about Scott Shaw, Sergio Aragones, Terry Dodson, Alvin Lee, the Greg the Bunny guys, and dozens of others.

The lesson learned is that even though these guys are plenty big enough names that they COULD be dismissive jerks, they instead show nothing but class and kindness. And I've seen this several times, but it's often the no-talent bum who is unkind and arrogant and needlessly awful.

Stan taking the time to draw that sketch when he clearly had other important...uh...duties...well, that taught my son a lot. And as I say, we saw the greats in the industry behave that same way again and again. James Kolchaka, Kyle Baker...these guys we both saw at the end of the con when they were packing up and exhausted and BOTH insisted on doing sketches for Cody's book even when we told them it was okay, we understood.

Class. You can't buy it, and Rick?


You can't fake it.


Gail

Your son not only has good manners, he has great taste in comic artists. Sakai's one of my favorites; anyone who hasn't read Usagi is missing a real treat.

[MacQuarrie]

Nah, 'cause then we'd leave ourselves open to claims of messing with his posts.

Well, then they'll just have to be archived elsewhere.

[Matt Doc Martin]

I did a google search on Reek's sockpuppet screen name, Magnus Grimoire. It led me to www.unexplained-mysteries.com and his postings there under the name Daring Souls.

Besides confirming my assumption he isn't truly a Pagan, (he clearly switches his beliefs based on audience) I found this post where he once again tells of how misunderstood he really is.

"There is no easy way for me to share this. So I'm just going to put it out there.

In other certain Internet circles where I am known... people think I'm crude and anti-social. Hell, they even think I'm mentally ill. Yet when people meet and speak to me in person over via the telephone ... I'm nothing like their mind painted me for them. I'm a stable adult male with several quirky hobbies and a desire to know and feel as much of life as I can. I'm a father of 5 kids, with 2 boys (ages 16 & 12) still at home. I'm a one-time husband of 29 consecutive years, and a kind and caring grampa to a 3 year old girl and boy. I am a practicing solitary Wiccan...and pay careful heed to the elements and nature. I've seen both good and bad ghosts.

Despite all that good stuff, I'm still thought to be mentally ill by a host of people online...who none know me."

Ya know, if this was anyone else I'd wonder why I bothered searching for this information. Then I remember all he has done and I realize that the more people know about him, the better they can protect themselves.

Could you screenshot that for me, please?

[Matt Doc Martin]

I'm still not convinced he's a worse human being than Fred Phelps.

In addition, he hasn't killed anyone that I know of. So he could be worse.

She probably never met Phelps, or a murderer. So for now, pRick is in the lead.

[TCJohnson]

I did a google search on Reek's sockpuppet screen name, Magnus Grimoire. It led me to www.unexplained-mysteries.com and his postings there under the name Daring Souls.

Besides confirming my assumption he isn't truly a Pagan, (he clearly switches his beliefs based on audience) I found this post where he once again tells of how misunderstood he really is.

"There is no easy way for me to share this. So I'm just going to put it out there.

In other certain Internet circles where I am known... people think I'm crude and anti-social. Hell, they even think I'm mentally ill. Yet when people meet and speak to me in person over via the telephone ... I'm nothing like their mind painted me for them. I'm a stable adult male with several quirky hobbies and a desire to know and feel as much of life as I can. I'm a father of 5 kids, with 2 boys (ages 16 & 12) still at home. I'm a one-time husband of 29 consecutive years, and a kind and caring grampa to a 3 year old girl and boy. I am a practicing solitary Wiccan...and pay careful heed to the elements and nature. I've seen both good and bad ghosts.

Despite all that good stuff, I'm still thought to be mentally ill by a host of people online...who none know me."

Ya know, if this was anyone else I'd wonder why I bothered searching for this information. Then I remember all he has done and I realize that the more people know about him, the better they can protect themselves.

Ok, now I feel a little sorry for him.

Glad he is going to get such an important wakeup call soon.

[wishlish]

I figured that the cost of trademarking anything is too cost prohibitive at the moment, I like my images, but not worth the grand or so it would cost to completely protect them.

A pic of Jack is here: http://comicsintheclassroom.net/oo2007_jan05_jackand200000.htm I call him "Low Jack" or "Odd Job" (that reference is pretty obscure :) ) And mom is doing well - my 2 yr old girl is having a bit of trouble with it. I think she's wondering when he is going home.

Pic looks so darn precious. Congrats!

[Matt Doc Martin]

I figured that the cost of trademarking anything is too cost prohibitive at the moment, I like my images, but not worth the grand or so it would cost to completely protect them.

A pic of Jack is here: http://comicsintheclassroom.net/oo2007_jan05_jackand200000.htm I call him "Low Jack" or "Odd Job" (that reference is pretty obscure :) ) And mom is doing well - my 2 yr old girl is having a bit of trouble with it. I think she's wondering when he is going home.

Wasn't Odd Job a Bond villain?

[Jack Zodiac]

I love it. A Self-banning.

"I quit. I know when I'm beat. Plus, my lawyer slapped the shit out of me."

Someone needed to.

That's it! I know who is lawyer is!

Ever seen Fight Club?

Aw, c'mon... don't compare him to a great book like that.

Interesting story by the very sweet and talented Sean McKeever...

http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=2595609&posted=1#post2595609

Ha! I love Sean, and that threa'd hilarious. Especially his new Vertigo series, Spider-Guy Luvs Mary Jayne... In Da' Butt!

Wow. I can finally SEE his avatar now.

So.

Thor apparently thought he was a vampire being controlled by a creepy t-shirt and took him out?

Ah hahahaha! That's awesome, Patrick.

LOVE the Bendis Boarders, they're almost universally cool people.

Yeah, those guys are a fuckin' riot. I haven't been there in over a year, but they were fun to post with. Even Bendis, whenever he showed up. I gave him a raft of shit after "Disassembled" and he rolled with it until I started singing the lyrics to "Different Strokes."

1. when three or four people each individually quote your posts to take them apart, we have enough independant verification of what your original post was.

I did my best, boss!

[Howler]

Could you screenshot that for me, please?

Sure thing, will PM you in a second.

Here is a direct link that should list all his posts in that forum if you want anything else.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?act=Search&nav=au&CODE=show&searchid=8f724dc10d22070cb012ae82a5c9f0dc&search_in=posts&result_type=posts

[Jack Zodiac]

Wasn't Odd Job a Bond villain?

Yep, the Asian midget with a dangerous hat fetish.

[TCJohnson]

Yep, the Asian midget with a dangerous hat fetish.

Not exactly a midget. The actor was 5'8"

Nick Nack in "Man with the Golden Gun" was the asian midget.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Sure thing, will PM you in a second.

Here is a direct link that should list all his posts in that forum if you want anything else.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?act=Search&nav=au&CODE=show&searchid=8f724dc10d22070cb012ae82a5c9f0dc&search_in=posts&result_type=posts

Got it, made PDF's . Thank you!

[JTPencils]

Not exactly a midget. The actor was 5'8"

Nick Nack in "Man with the Golden Gun" was the asian midget.

Herve Villechaize (spelling could be incorrect) was hardly Asian. He was French I believe. Most non-Bond fans (hard to believe there might be some) may recognize him as "Tattoo" from Fantasy Island fame.

[MacQuarrie]

I just finished. I'll have to go back and check everything though.

Hey, I'm an elementary school teacher (on "new baby leave" for the week - which is fortunate for me tonight). I have to be diplomatic when talking to the parents of a kid that throws a chair at me.

I will say that no money was ever promissed by him, nor given by me. Any other conversations we had(apart fromthe ( C ) thing - thanks again everyone, and I think I am going to follow through with the message I left with my lawyers secretary yesterday just to be sure) will remain between he and I - since they do not deal with the issue of money owed - uness of course I am forced to be undiplomatic. Is that even a word?
It's a perfectly cromulent word.

Welcome to YABS. We're all crazy here, but mostly in a fun way, except when some slimeball shows up to steal from people and then try to bully them into silence. That we're not so fun about.

And don't feel bad about not knowing the ins and outs of copyright & trademark law. I only learned it the hard way myself. I won, but it was ugly and scary.

Colleen has done a great job of covering the basics of the law. I've sung that same song here at least five different times, but there's a constant influx of new people, so it bears constant repeating.

Oh, good on you for your work with kids. Teachers are godlings to me.

[TCJohnson]

Herve Villechaize (spelling could be incorrect) was hardly Asian. He was French I believe. Most non-Bond fans (hard to believe there might be some) may recognize him as "Tattoo" from Fantasy Island fame.

Hmmm, you are right, i knew he was french but he always looks asian to me.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Ok..I just realized amidst playing some football game, that it is past 2:00 a.m. in Florida. So I am off to bed.

If fucktard shows up, make sure you let him know I told him in no uncertain terms, to suck my ass.


Good night, all!

[TCJohnson]

Welcome to YABS. We're all crazy here,

I am not!...

[MacQuarrie]

Again, if he's claiming copyright, it doesn't matter. I presume you ran the planned copyright phrase past him and he said ok? Because then, even if he was claiming trademark in the phrase, he has chosen not to protect that trademark... and that right there can kill a trademark.

Get his name off of your site, and don't worry about it.

(Just went to www.uspto.gov and did a search on their registered trademark database for the phrase "comics in the classroom". Not a single registered trademark was found.)
CitC, trust Nat. He knows this stuff cold. He even publishes a comic about it, "Licensable Bear TM" (http://www.licensablebeartm.com/) which I love dearly.

Plus he's a good guy and a pretty successful publisher of comics and graphic novels.

[MacQuarrie]

I had one thought- don't trademark the "comics in the classroom" phrase. DO protect all of your content and design and logo work. But since there are other "comics in the classroom" programs, why trademark it? Let there be lots of programs that get good comics in the schools (and libraries).
One reason to trademark it: to prevent some olney from grabbing it and extorting money from good people like CitC here.

There's a scumbag out there who runs around trademarking common phrases and then threatening litigation against anyone he catches using them. they pay him a few hundred to shut him up. His income from this scam is staggering.

If it's at all possible to trademark the term, please do so. You can always grant permission for anyone else to use it.

[Jack Zodiac]

'But, his promises to pay myself and the assembled 28 freelance contractors he and I assembled dragged on a further 6 months since, and on one book alone, he amassed a debt of $25,000 more.'

Small claims court?

It is YABS tradition to make fun of all professionals who stay here more than a day.

Yeah, Cully! Quit bein' a bitch. ;)

Ah, I see. Carry on, then.

See? Now you're part of the family!

I haven't said it, but I find your running commentary hilarious.

I do my best!

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

That's for embiggening our vocabulary, Jim!

[MacQuarrie]

one more copyright question (last one I promise - unless, of course, that I think of something else). Does a website administrator, or published person have to apply for a copyright for the uploaded, or published material?
Okay, first, the standard disclaimer: I'm not an attorney. I just happen to have learned a lot about copyright and trademark in self-defense. Please check with a lawyer before taking any action based on my advice.

You're in Canada, right? I believe Canada follows the International Copyright laws, as the US has since 1978 (we were a little slow to adopt them).

Inder international copyright law, the copyright for a work is assumed to belong to the artist from the moment of creation until such time as the right is transferred, whether to another owner or into the public domain. Even if you don't put a (C) notice on your work, it is yours. That's what's alarming about Dick's scamming you; he conned you into appearing to have transferred the copyright to him. So in your case I would suggest registering the copyright to all your stuff ASAP. Especially given how desperately he's flailing around now for something to hang onto.

In answer to your question, the copyright should be filed by the person who owns the rights. If the web adminstrator has paid you for the rights to your work, he should file the copyright. If he is handling the tech stuff on your behalf and you retain the right to your work, you should file it.

From the sound of things, you should file your own copyright registrations. The forms should be pretty simple.

[MacQuarrie]

If anyone could clarify on the whole creation ownership thing, I'd appreciate it. I don't know the legal in's and out's of it all. I'm asking because there could be some real fun using his own characters for some serious parody illo's in the future! Or even that "benefit" book that someone mentioned a few pages ago. I want to be sure though before I commit to anything.

We'd need to see your contract to be sure, but I'd sure as hell look into it. I'd also make ownership of the characters a settlement issue. He ain't got no money, so take what you can, the intellectual property you helped to create.

[Sarah Beach]

Just went skimming through that old collection of his posts on that ... occult board (because he seems to be responding not just to Wiccans but Christians). My eyes rolled a bit at the idea that he was claiming a (small) degree of psychic ability. Eh.

And it appears that they have been in the funeral parlour as home since October 2003. Interesting.

But more to the point, regarding the military career, he mentions being in Okinawa in 1973. Well, it was about being drunk on a Saturday night, and walking off a coral reef, and waking up on the beach in the morning. But there's another piece to put in the (possible) military puzzle: Okinawa in 1973. (And it sounds to me like "stationed there", not "on R&R"). But no mention of which branch of the services, just "military service".

[OzBat!]

He even publishes a comic about it, "Licensable Bear TM" (http://www.licensablebeartm.com/) which I love dearly.This stuff is GOLD!! Nat, why didn't you say anything? Hiding your light under a bushel with this crowd just isn't the done thing!

[OzBat!]

My eyes rolled a bit at the idea that he was claiming a (small) degree of psychic ability. Eh.Then he really should have seen the landslide coming!

[MacQuarrie]

Good lord.

Okay, at this point, every thought that he "is actually a nice guy, but in over his head" is BULLSHIT.

This guy betrayed EVERYONE. He cheated EVERYONE.

He lied about people who did nothing but their best for him and got NOTHING but lies and threats in return.

And we've seen what he does to people who attack his delusions of being a big important wheel.

Grotesque. Worst person I've met probably EVER.

Gail
Funny thing... I have an acquaintance that I've known for over 30 years. In the time I knew him, he:

* cheated on his wife;
* wrote rubber checks to the father of the woman with whom he was cheating;
* borrowed a vintage car from a friend and then sold it in another state, telling the friend it was stolen;
* wrote bad checks to all of his friends;
* faked his death and went AWOL from the Air Force;
* got a 15-year-old girl pregnant;
* lied to the girl and told her the baby couldn't be his because he'd had a vasectomy, which he had not;
* cheated on his second wife;
and too many other acts of mendacity and theft to catalog. He ended up going to prison for 18 months.

And I still find him more respectable than Olney.

[titanfan]

I am not!...

As long as no one messes with JLI you're not! :)

[PatrickG]

Here's an easy reminder on Copyright, Trademark and Patent law.

A Patent is for a process.

A Copyright is about the right to copy something with content.

A Trademark is about the right to mark something for trade purposes.

You might patent a type of ink or an approach to art.

You might copyright the contents of a book and sue if something copies those contents directly or too closely.

You might trademark the cover design for a book or a logo for a book or the likeness of a character if thesewords are images are designed to MARK the item as your product.

The Superman logo and Superman as the name used to sell a comic book are trademarked.

The stories inside the comic are copyrighted.

The process used for coloring or lettering may be patented.

OR

Take the Star Registry racket.

- The name of the business and its logo are trademarks. Marks of trade used to identify a business.

- The book published with a list of purchased names for stars is copyrighted.

- The process by which a company gets people to pay money to get a star beside their name in a book that no Astronomer would ever reference is patented.

Likewise:

- Tightlip as a company name and its logo may be trademarks.

- The contents of the hypothetical comics published by TightLip are copyrighted.

- The process of making people sign an NDA which prevents them from complaining in the event of non-payment might be a patentable business practice if it wasn't fraud.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Funny thing... I have an acquaintance that I've known for over 30 years. In the time I knew him, he:

* cheated on his wife;
* wrote rubber checks to the father of the woman with whom he was cheating;
* borrowed a vintage car from a friend and then sold it in another state, telling the friend it was stolen;
* wrote bad checks to all of his friends;
* faked his death and went AWOL from the Air Force;
* got a 15-year-old girl pregnant;
* lied to the girl and told her the baby couldn't be his because he'd had a vasectomy, which he had not;
* cheated on his second wife;
and too many other acts of mendacity and theft to catalog. He ended up going to prison for 18 months.

And I still find him more respectable than Olney.

And ya know the sad thing MacQuarrie....if he wrote a book about all that , odds are it would outsell anything by Olney.

[Artmonkeys]

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/artmonkeys_studios/CSN708cartoon_small.jpg
Originally published in Comics Shop News 708.
A cartoon that still speaks to the heart of the Retailer/Reader and Publisher/Reader relationships.
Albeit, in an über-geeky voice (that COULD be Dustin Diamond (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dustin_Diamond) c. 2001)

Be the publisher who wants that reader, gang.

(yeah, yeah, yeah -- he's swearing on a Crossgen book; but at that point we'd published about 30 issues on time, and eventually many times more before we finally missed shipping...so cut me a break...)

Artmonkeys! (http://artmonkeys.blogspot.com/)

[Artmonkeys]

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/artmonkeys_studios/CSN686cartoon_small.jpg
This cartoon from CSN 686 tells the truth about Comics' influence in my world.
Aspiring to be a hero, not for glory, but to do what's right for the world.

Artmonkeys! (http://artmonkeys.blogspot.com/)

[Jack Zodiac]

KIRBY DOTS!

[MacQuarrie]

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/artmonkeys_studios/CSN686cartoon_small.jpg
This cartoon from CSN 686 tells the truth about Comics' influence in my world.
Aspiring to be a hero, not for glory, but to do what's right for the world.

Artmonkeys! (http://artmonkeys.blogspot.com/)
Love it. The words you speak are true.

Welcome to YABS.

Got an Olney story to share? I'll bet you do.

[MacQuarrie]

And ya know the sad thing MacQuarrie....if he wrote a book about all that , odds are it would outsell anything by Olney.
True, but that's just because it might actually get published, unlike Olney.

Today, my acquaintance is a responsible member of his community, a Boy Scout leader, doting father. He suffers from chronic back and neck problems, mostly the result of his youthful foolishness. His third wife has him on a very short leash, and he is as far from what he once was as it's possible to get without becoming a minister. Even so, the Law of Payback is kicking the crap out of him. Payback is most definitely a bitch.

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Holy Batshit.

Just got an email from someone who I'm keeping anonymous for the time being; all I can say is that he worked closely with Ronee on the botched TLE experiment last year.

I'm just gonna c-n-p a couple pertinent points from his email to the News10 crew:

'I have a contract with him to be his Creative Director for publishing that we began June 2006 and he terminated December 24th, 2006, blaming me for his own negligence. In the 6 months I worked for him, my invoices totalling $15,480 piled up, unpaid. He is further provoking me with legal threats to complete the lettering and pre-press of a particular book titled TALES OF THE SPOOKY #1.'

Now we know where the 'legal wranglings' stem from.

'But, his promises to pay myself and the assembled 28 freelance contractors he and I assembled dragged on a further 6 months since, and on one book alone, he amassed a debt of $25,000 more.'

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu udge.

On top of what's been stated here, that's another $40,480 he owes to creators. He owes more for work completed in the past 12 months than most people earn in a fiscal year.

'60 pages of comic book art and writing are assembled and unheard of by the world because he refuses to pay.'

And I was bitching and moaning about what he owes me for 9 measly columns? I'm ashamed of myself. I got another email this morning from a nearby creator who's gonna have to put off his marriage plans because Moby refuses to pay him and he had counted on that money to help finance their upcoming nuptials. Now that is fucking pond scum.

Note the date of my friend's contract with Olney being terminated: December 24th. That's the week after I spoke out, the very same day he deleted the ICC stuff. He set out to not only screw everyone, but to purposely kill our holidays with these actions.

After yesterday's riotous outbursts and your subsequent deletion of your posts today, I pretty much figured you couldn't possibly sink any lower in my opinion, Moby.

Once again you continue to amaze.




Doc 'Worthless in More Ways Than One' Absurd

:eek: Holy rusted metal batman...

JP

[Cam63]

We need Richard Harris in here!

Yeah ! Where has the ol' Paddy gone ?

He didn't finish his fookin' Guiness.

[Cam63]

Wow... Just... WOW. Leave for several months and I miss all the good stuff!

I vaguely recall several years ago, there was some big blow up between Olney and (I think) Scott Shaw. I don't recall the specifics, though. And I remember being surprised when he started posting here. There had been a LOT of accusations of him being a fraud then, too.

Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't melt down sooner.

And to all you who were screwed over by him, you have my sympathies. I will definitely be looking for work from all of you to buy and support.

And to you, Rick... You're a sick and twisted nut job. Seek help NOW.

Get the keelhaulin' rope, Skipp'.

...Yeah, the long one.

[Cam63]

peeeeeeeg!!

That's the second biggest " peeeeeeeg!! " I've ever seen.

[Cam63]

ozzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!

:D

That's the sound he makes when revving himself up.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

True, but that's just because it might actually get published, unlike Olney.

Today, my acquaintance is a responsible member of his community, a Boy Scout leader, doting father. He suffers from chronic back and neck problems, mostly the result of his youthful foolishness. His third wife has him on a very short leash, and he is as far from what he once was as it's possible to get without becoming a minister. Even so, the Law of Payback is kicking the crap out of him. Payback is most definitely a bitch.

It happens . But its nice to see he actually managed to straighten himself out. Least the story had a happy ending for him.

[Gail Simone]

I'm still not convinced he's a worse human being than Fred Phelps.

In addition, he hasn't killed anyone that I know of. So he could be worse.

I haven't met Fred Phelps.

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Love it. The words you speak are true.

Welcome to YABS.

Got an Olney story to share? I'll bet you do.



Welcome, Dave.

This must all seem like crazy times to you, I bet!

Gail

[Cam63]

I haven't met Fred Phelps.

Gail

Fred is also a delusional shitbag.

I dunno if he owes anyone money, though.

[singoalla]

Something else I recalled while we were talking about the MMC horror-con:

Remember the auction that was supposed to happen during the show but got delayed until after the doors closed? Remember all those donated items? They all got locked up in Unca Scrooge's moneybin. And even though 2005's horror-con was canceled, donations for that auction were still being accepted.

And similarly locked up in an undisclosed location in Duckburg.


Doc 'Suspiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicious' Absurd

If people gave stuff away, thinking it was for an auction, possibly for some sort of charity, wouldn't this be considered a kind of theft? And if he still does have those things, then couldn't the people who donated things demand them back?
Maybe you'd need to post about this as well, let people know of the possibility that he still has these things.
And in case R.O considers selling these things on ebay to pay off his own debts: I wouldn't. If someone claims you stole their stuff by tricking them it would be for charity, I'm going to assume selling it would be considered fencing... or something similar.

Have a nice day RO. :D

[singoalla]

...

My name is Chuck Satterlee. I am currently a small press writer with a few series out there. I am also an employee of Markosia Enterprises.
...

When I had two series at Speakeasy, one of those series...(Of Bitter Souls) was drawn by Norm Breyfogle. For those of you who remember, Norm is a legend (at least in my opinion) and had one of the greatest runs on Detective and Batman ever. Norm is also one of the nicest and most generous people in comics.

~fangirl moment~

SQUEEEEE!!!!!
Mr. Breyfogle's run on Batman is legendary. I have every single issue of his and Mr. Grant's run, and a few other comics with his art. I've never read Of Bitter Souls, but I will find it now. New years resolution.

Seems most comic creators are just great people. Everyone I've met has gone more than out of their way to answer questions, sign books, make little drawings or just shake hands, and making fans feel a little less like geeks, but just fans :)

even though i did score 92% on the geek scale test...

[Corrina]

I can see that but then an old addage would creep into my mind...

"If something is too good to be true it usually is."

Could be he also solicited the project multiple times. Solicit #1, get pages, accrue debt. Run away from that debt, solicit more pages...and so on.

[Cam63]

I say again.

Rick is not banned. We specifically left his ISP open. I do not want him to be able to retract all his posts as if they never happened, as he tried to do here and has done elsewhere repeatedly. He threatened, he uttered anti-gay and anti-female slurs, and he repeatedly lied himself into a deep, deep pit. He can take responsibility for his actions, for once.

He can come back here any time. I do not ban people.

But he's not going to be allowed to pretend he didn't write all those comments.

Gail

I hope the " I earned my stripes on my back too " was saved.

He deserves four knuckles to the jaw for that remark.

[the4thpip]

Demeaning and devaluing someone's upcoming comic book project isn't "legally actionable" (if it were I'd be on death row).

http://www.kinrealm.com/Denizens/Smileys/Denizens/24.gif













(Yes, I have over 100 pages to catch up on after my Paris vacation.)

[Cam63]

For now, he needs a new one. He's reading every post, we all know it.

In that case...

http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_SM/0001-0405-1623-3640_SM.jpg

Sit and rotate, Rick.

[JTPencils]

I hope the " I earned my stripes on my back too " was saved.

He deserves four knuckles to the jaw for that remark.

If you think about it Cam, he did mention Okinawa as well.. and there's LOT'S of people who earned their stripes on their back in that location. Usually they'd start their "earning" with "Hey Joe... what you know? Me love you long time!"

[Cam63]

What human wouldn't appreciate a well done costume?

An ego freak would, matt'.

[Cam63]

Good luck with the new baby! Got any photos? Boy or girl? How's the proud mother? You know, if it's a boy, "Ray" is a great name...;)

I missed that.

Congrats on the new critter from me too !

[Cam63]

Well, I don't know if it's today, but several people are serving him papers, and that's only going to get worse.

And the calls to local tv and police certainly would put a crimp in his day, I'm sure.

Just speculating.

Gail

I got a warm buzz... and it aint the beer. :)

[AIPman1]

I read the first 100 pages in detail, then started skimming, searching by poster, etc. So I'm open to suggestions about anything I'm missing.

Thanks!

Chris

can you add a part that Tony Isabella's call that the world needs a BBB for comics lead to this project:

http://www.dimestoreproductions.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,137/topic,2323.0/

[Dwight L. MacPherson]

Wow. What a thread.

In all honesty, you'd have to be mentally ill to get this far behind.

I have a couple buddies owed money by Rick--and I know that one of them has already filed paperwork.

This is a horror story that took guts to post about, Gail, so I tip my hat to you for doing so. :)

[Papergirl]

Get the keelhaulin' rope, Skipp'.

...Yeah, the long one.

What makes you think I ever put it away from the LAST time we needed it? I found keeping it out in plain sight discourages MOST morons from acting too stupid for their own good. Olney seems to be the exception to the rule here.

~Bev

[Papergirl]

That's the sound he makes when revving himself up.

Waaaaaaay too much info there...

:eek:

~Bev

[CitC]

Thanks for all the kind words about the new baby.

Wasn't Odd Job a Bond villain?

Yes he was, but that is not why "Odd Job" and "Jack" go together. - I've never seen the show and I don't even have the right channel for it anymore, but for a while the commercials for this show were on constantly, and I found myself calling my boy that :) http://www.oddjobjack.com/forum/index.php

Weird, I know.

[NatGertler]

CitC, trust Nat. He knows this stuff cold. He even publishes a comic about it, "Licensable Bear TM" (http://www.licensablebeartm.com/) which I love dearly.Thanks for the support, but I should note in situations like this: I am not a lawyer. I have a working-in-the-creative-and-publishing-field experience and interest in this stuff, of course, but I don't want anything I say here to be perceived as coming from an attorney. (Or a Marine, for that matter.)
But if you want advice from someone who has made money dressed in a giant leperchaun costume, then I'm your guy!

[Ronée]

Rick is not banned.

His username, 'orcafresh' is temporarily blocked to stop him from revising all his posts while we make sure it's all copied for those who wish to follow legal action.

He can still post under any different name, he just can delete his threats and gay-bashing and insults and lies.

So no, not banned at all. Just prevented from revisionism.

Gailhes freaking out because I got his local news involved I bet. Ha ha. The truth will come out Rick. I told you not to fuck with me.

*now back to the doughnut thread*

[Blake Petit]

There's donuts? I could use donuts -- class doesn't start for another ten minutes and my students are already giving me a headache...

[Papergirl]

hes freaking out because I got his local news involved I bet. Ha ha. The truth will come out Rick. I told you not to fuck with me.

*now back to the doughnut thread*

I <3 You! I bet he's messed his pants several times over in the past few days!


Mmmm... Doughnuts sound great right now.

*wanders off to the local Krispy Kreme to buy some!*

~Bev

[KevinTBrown]

She probably never met Phelps, or a murderer. So for now, pRick is in the lead.

Off topic just for a sec.....


Spring of '78, I and my best friend had a job interview with John Wayne Gacy. The only reason we never took the job is because my friend got sick and was hospitalized soon thereafter and I didn't think it was fair to accept the job without him. I truly believe in Guardian Angels.





But, yeah, I think Olney is still in the lead when compared.

[TCJohnson]

*wanders off to the local Krispy Kreme to buy some!*

~Bev

yuck yuck yuck


By the way, what is his local news?

[KevinTBrown]

Just went skimming through that old collection of his posts on that ... occult board (because he seems to be responding not just to Wiccans but Christians). My eyes rolled a bit at the idea that he was claiming a (small) degree of psychic ability. Eh.

And it appears that they have been in the funeral parlour as home since October 2003. Interesting.

But more to the point, regarding the military career, he mentions being in Okinawa in 1973. Well, it was about being drunk on a Saturday night, and walking off a coral reef, and waking up on the beach in the morning. But there's another piece to put in the (possible) military puzzle: Okinawa in 1973. (And it sounds to me like "stationed there", not "on R&R"). But no mention of which branch of the services, just "military service".

More like a large degree of psychotic behaviour..... :rolleyes:

[Typo Lad]

Ronee - no offence, but wasn't it Wishlist who called the local news people first?

[TonyIsabella]

Oh, and Tony, check your email in about 10 minutes.

Us old guys go to bed early. :)

Of course, we also get up early and frequently. I got your e-mail, responded, copied Gail, and am getting ready to get things started once I hear from you.

Courage, buddy!

Tony

[Papergirl]

yuck yuck yuck

You're saying yuck to Krispy Kreme doughnuts? :eek:

~Bev

[TCJohnson]

You're saying yuck to Krispy Kreme doughnuts? :eek:

~Bev

God yes, yuck. Cannot think of those without getting sick. Already explained why.

[KevinTBrown]

Krispy Kremes are a dessert donut; Dunkin Donuts are for breakfast and with coffee.


:)

[Karl J. Barnes]

God yes, yuck. Cannot think of those without getting sick. Already explained why.

If you are a donut/doughnut afficiando(sp?) then maybe you should take a gander at KC's renowned:http://www.lamars.com/

[kadymae]

one more copyright question (last one I promise - unless, of course, that I think of something else). Does a website administrator, or published person have to apply for a copyright for the uploaded, or published material?

You can if you so desire, but posting a copyright notice is sufficent to give you copyright protection.

[TCJohnson]

doughnuts are yucky!

[CitC]

By the way, now that I'm posting instead of lurking, harsh words were said a thousand or so posts ago about Tim Hortons! For the record, it is all about the coffee, not the doughnuts (which they don't even cook on site anymore. They are trucked in and are not nearly as good a they were - but the toasted coconut still rocks). I don't drink tea, but they have recently had big marketing campaigns pushing their tea.

I hear recently that they don't even make money off of their food (sandwiches, soup, etc), and they actually lose money off of it. Its all to sell more ceffee and tea. No idea if that is true or not though.

D.Doughnuts opened a few stores 12-15 years ago in this area (Moncton NB has more Tim's per capita than anywhere else. Seriously, I am not exagerating when I say that they are everywher, sometimes withing a 1/2 mile of ach other on the other side of the road so you can hit the drive through withought having to cross traffic),but they folded in a year. I had their doughnuts and they tasted no different than tim Horton's.

[OzBat!]

doughnuts are yucky!You are so dead to me now.

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

By the way, now that I'm posting instead of lurking, harsh words were said a thousand or so posts ago about Tim Hortons! For the record, it is all about the coffee, not the doughnuts (which they don't even cook on site anymore. They are trucked in and are not nearly as good a they were - but the toasted coconut still rocks). I don't drink tea, but they have recently had big marketing campaigns pushing their tea.

I hear recently that they don't even make money off of their food (sandwiches, soup, etc), and they actually lose money off of it. Its all to sell more ceffee and tea. No idea if that is true or not though.

D.Doughnuts opened a few stores 12-15 years ago in this area (Moncton NB has more Tim's per capita than anywhere else. Seriously, I am not exagerating when I say that they are everywher, sometimes withing a 1/2 mile of ach other on the other side of the road so you can hit the drive through withought having to cross traffic),but they folded in a year. I had their doughnuts and they tasted no different than tim Horton's.

Trust me, they make money off their food. None of it is that expensive to them. In fact, even their coffee is dirt cheap. If you knew how much they made just off one small coffee you'd freak. Their donuts are the same and so it is with most of their food. The only thing they may lose money with is their cakes. Anything like donuts, brownies and stuff like that they spend so little on it's a joke.

JP

[NatGertler]

Krispy Kremes are a dessert donut; Dunkin Donuts are for breakfast and with coffee.Exactly, and that's something that all the donut bigots here fail to realize. Krispy Kreme's are well-formulated for that a-few-times-a-year forbidden treat. Dunkins are the sort of thing you can have instead of breakfast a few times a week. And they do work okay without coffee, for us non-coffee-drinkers out there, although they somehow feel like they want something with them nonetheless.
My current favorite donut place? Well, I don't actually like the donuts themselves very much, but there is a shop near here with a sign "Almost Open 24 Hours". So it makes me smile without even going in.

--Nat (who used to live a couple blocks from an Entemann's thrift store, and killed a couple diets on excellent savings!)

[Typo Lad]

--Nat (who used to live a couple blocks from an Entemann's thrift store, and killed a couple diets on excellent savings!)

I live by the Freihoffer's outlet. Same effect on me.

[wishlish]

Ronee - no offence, but wasn't it Wishlist who called the local news people first?

But Ronee got the details for contacting the news director. And honestly, the news people need to hear from people that were hurt by Olney to make the story. I wasn't hurt by Olney. I might have made the first call, but it's calls from debtors that's going to make the story happen.

I have a small amount of hope that the fear of a TV story will shake loose some moneys from Olney. Otherwise, I'll settle for watching Olney run from the camera, 60 Minutes style.

[KevinTBrown]

But Ronee got the details for contacting the news director. And honestly, the news people need to hear from people that were hurt by Olney to make the story. I wasn't hurt by Olney. I might have made the first call, but it's calls from debtors that's going to make the story happen.

I have a small amount of hope that the fear of a TV story will shake loose some moneys from Olney. Otherwise, I'll settle for watching Olney run from the camera, 60 Minutes style.

If that TV station has a website, and I'm sure they do, make sure you post it. Especially if there's a way to see or read the news report on Olney's illegalities. :cool:

[chucksatterlee]

I say again.

Rick is not banned. We specifically left his ISP open. I do not want him to be able to retract all his posts as if they never happened, as he tried to do here and has done elsewhere repeatedly. He threatened, he uttered anti-gay and anti-female slurs, and he repeatedly lied himself into a deep, deep pit. He can take responsibility for his actions, for once.

He can come back here any time. I do not ban people.

But he's not going to be allowed to pretend he didn't write all those comments.

Gail


Gail,

Apart from all of this, may I take a moment and tell you how much I admire your work...

Great stuff.

Ok, back to the subject...

If Markosia was to EVER produce something that cost 40K for one issue of a series, we should close our doors immediately. The funny thing is...there are creators out there who, like me...very much want to create a body of work. For these creators, credit and copies suffice for payment at this point in their careers. And believe me...these creators are quality. I work with some even now. Had Rick been smart...and honest...he could have found creators like I am speaking of and brought the price down to almost nothing.

For Markosia, I am an employee. I work a job for them that does not include writing. I write the titles for them for back-end deals and that usually means very little to no money at all. I do it to build my "street-cred"...so to speak. I get to keep having books come out and I get to continually have something recent to show those of influence in the field.

So...Rick overspent (if you can even say the word spent since no money was exchanged) on small press books that very few people would buy anyway even if he had huge talents on them. Let us face facts. In PREVIEWS, it is very very hard to get great numbers without being in the first four companys' sections. People do not even take very much effort in checking the green section. Ads in PREVIEWS do not work. It is a rough game and one needs to be heavily financed in order to get to a point where one can survive or even begin to thrive in the small press world.

To even think that a book that cost a company 40K could even have a prayer is completely insane. I don't care who is the creator. That is not a slam at creators...it is just a simple fact. If it is not in the front of PREVIEWS, it has less of a chance of making it.

That pretty much sums up Rick's common sense for me.

It also sums up his intentions for me.

Let me explain.

Let's look at another failed attempt...Speakeasy Comics.

At Speakeasy, Adam Fortier went out of business owing people money. For instance, he owed Diamond money which meant that the creators could not get copies of their own books after Speakeasy went under. I truly believe in my heart of hearts that Adam was a good intentioned man who succombed to a tough industry.

Not so with Rick Olney based on this 40K for a book example.

He had to know it was a losing effort. He had to know that there was no chance of getting a winner out of this effort and therefore, he looks to have let all of the creators who worked on those titles work...knowing full well he did not have the money nor would he make it in such a tough industry. He let those people work with the thought that they were going to get paid. Just think of anybody who may have turned down something because they had this "paying" gig.

When you start to break it down and think like this, that is just cold. I mean Mr. Freeze cold. Captain Cold cold. Just freakin' cold.

There is no ethical dilema when one approaches a creator and says, "hey, I have no money and this book probably will not make any either...so you want to work on it?"

That is a true statement that leads nobody to any false ideas.

To let someone work when they think they are getting paid and you know for certain they are not...that is cold.

Many people have good inetentions and things go awry. That is not necessarily so bad. This...what he did...ugh.

I think I have to puke.

[Hybrid2]

Oh, and please don't blame the Creative Director. He's no more at fault than Ronee or I. You honestly have no idea how shitty he feels over getting so many creators wrapped up in this.

To make matters worse, Moby pinned the blame on Chuck (hope he doesn't mind me calling him Chuck) not getting his payment or any warning of his non-payment solely on the CD. 'The CD dropped the ball on this one,' I was told. 'I was busy with funeral arrangements and feeling sorry for myself and plotting my next course of revenge on Chuck.'

. . .

Okay, I made up the part about revenge.

Something else I recalled while we were talking about the MMC horror-con:

Remember the auction that was supposed to happen during the show but got delayed until after the doors closed? Remember all those donated items? They all got locked up in Unca Scrooge's moneybin. And even though 2005's horror-con was canceled, donations for that auction were still being accepted.

And similarly locked up in an undisclosed location in Duckburg.




Doc 'Suspiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicious' Absurd

:eek:
Good Lord!
I keep everything for himself?

How low can he go?

[TCJohnson]

Exactly, and that's something that all the donut bigots here fail to realize. Krispy Kreme's are well-formulated for that a-few-times-a-year forbidden treat.

Which is my problem. I lived across the street from a Krispy Kreme, and I couldn't leave the house or open a window without that sickly sweet smell. It really makes me nauseous even now.

[Hybrid2]

One thing that really appalled me at the con. He was outside resting, and a couple girls who had made INCREDIBLE costumes for a costume show that was advertised but never held at the con, came up and asked him about it. He tried to brush them off, but my husband, who has an actual heart and not the sad lump of coal Olney has, made a big fuss about them showing off their costumes (since they'd obviously worked darn hard) so we clapped and complimented them mightily. One young lady made an unbelievably fun Jack Skellington outfit.

Apparently (and this part, honestly, is pure speculation based on what the girls said), there was supposed to be a prize for the winner. They asked about it, and Rick, who could not have been more dismissive, said, "I'll get you a gift certificate or something," without even looking at her.

Bleah. I'd forgotten about that.
(i might have use the wrong expression.)bleh

Gail

I stand corected.(read my previous post)

[Mike Bullock]

So...Rick overspent...

Actually, money has to actually move from one party to another for the word "spent" to come into play...

Just sayin'.

[Ronée]

Ronee - no offence, but wasn't it Wishlist who called the local news people first?YES it was... but when i called the mohawk/utica branch brad said it was the first he heard about it. I give wishlish much credit for the great idea... I just ran with it thats all.

[chucksatterlee]

Actually, money has to actually move from one party to another for the word "spent" to come into play...

Just sayin'.

I understand, Mike. Just look further in my sentence. How ya been by the way?

[Dreadstar]

I'm still not convinced he's a worse human being than Fred Phelps.

In addition, he hasn't killed anyone that I know of. So he could be worse.

Killing people does not automatically make you a bad person.

Depending on the person.

[Matt Algren]

I say again.

Rick is not banned. We specifically left his ISP open. I do not want him to be able to retract all his posts as if they never happened, as he tried to do here and has done elsewhere repeatedly. He threatened, he uttered anti-gay and anti-female slurs, and he repeatedly lied himself into a deep, deep pit. He can take responsibility for his actions, for once.

He can come back here any time. I do not ban people.

But he's not going to be allowed to pretend he didn't write all those comments.

Gail
Just a thought, but another way to keep "Rick" from changing his posts would be to start a new thread, post a link to it here, lock this thread, and sticky it to the top of the board. That way the conversation continues, "Rick" can't make changes, and he isn't being encouraged to break Jonah's rules.

Again, just a thought.

I'm glad the thread has cooled down in the last 24 hours. Some real progress is being made. Plus, I heart copyright/trademark talk. It's almost sick how interesting I find it.

[Dreadstar]

By the way, now that I'm posting instead of lurking, harsh words were said a thousand or so posts ago about Tim Hortons! For the record, it is all about the coffee, not the doughnuts ...


dingidngidngidng Give that man a ceegar!

[wishlish]

YES it was... but when i called the mohawk/utica branch brad said it was the first he heard about it. I give wishlish much credit for the great idea... I just ran with it thats all.

Doesn't surprise me a bit. And to be honest, I *want* other people, especially someone like you to call. I'm a business analyst/consultant by day with little experience dealing with the media. This is something you're good at, and thus there's a better chance of a story happening with you making calls.

And thanks. I just want people to get paid, or to see Olney on TV if that can't happen.

[Mike Bullock]

How ya been by the way?

:: looks at hole in budget ::

I've been better, but not too bad, all things considered. You?

[JeffreyWKramer]

Grotesque. Worst person I've met probably EVER.

Thankfully, I've never met him. If I had, he'd probably rank about 9th on my "worst person" listing, only because I've also encountered - through my professional activities, which have included work in prison settings - a serial rapist, some child molesters, a cannibal and some Nazis.

[Momma Absurd]

Starting with the first thread on this forum and dissecting my way through it and the e-mails Doc has received from those wishing to remain unnamed at this time the total is $104,650 that ONERY owes.......not only did I do the adding several times, I made my sister go over all the figures as well. Since she is an accountant and numbers are her forte, I gave her the frigging pleasure of sharing half my headache......

I don't go into battle unarmed I make sure my guns are bigger than who I am taking on and right now I have a pretty big cannon compared to MR. ONERY ASSES water pistol....

Those who have emailed Doc_A and have asked to remain anon. their wishes will be respected and granted, by him and by me....

Integrity is one word whose meaning I preach on in my home, I live by it and I cherish the definition....I wish everyone did.....

Momma "is the bullshyte over yet" Absurd

[Typo Lad]

Hey Momma, Doc's not answering my PMs. I know he's busy.

Still, I can't send him the PDA without an address.

It wants a loving home, it does.

[KevinTBrown]

Starting with the first thread on this forum and dissecting my way through it and the e-mails Doc has received from those wishing to remain unnamed at this time the total is $104,650 that ONERY owes.......not only did I do the adding several times, I made my sister go over all the figures as well. Since she is an accountant and numbers are her forte, I gave her the frigging pleasure of sharing half my headache......

I don't go into battle unarmed I make sure my guns are bigger than who I am taking on and right now I have a pretty big cannon compared to MR. ONERY ASSES water pistol....

Those who have emailed Doc_A and have asked to remain anon. their wishes will be respected and granted, by him and by me....

Integrity is one word whose meaning I preach on in my home, I live by it and I cherish the definition....I wish everyone did.....

Momma "is the bullshyte over yet" Absurd

Momma, out of sheer curiosity, just how many people are were talking about here...?? :eek:

[Momma Absurd]

Typo, hes at work today sweetie and doing both jobs however I will call him for you later if you would like .,,,will that work for you? If you need an email addy for him try docabsurd@yahoo.com....I think that is the right one....thank you hun....

Momma

[Sarah Beach]

Momma, out of sheer curiosity, just how many people are were talking about here...?? :eek:

A good point that could be passed onward to the local news folks in Olney's area. Just the numbers (if not the names) would be impressive, I'd think.

[I_am_scifi]

I mean, what a gutless little coward.

First, he closes threads and requires memberships and disallows responses on his own boards, I mean, he's that cowardly, and then he can't even be responsible for his own words.

Rick, you're a disgrace. Most gutless guy I know.

Doesn't matter, pal. We got it all.

Why?

Because you're also predictable.

Dance, smellmonkey, dance!

Gail

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/ScaryMonkeyShow/dancingmonkey.gif

[Momma Absurd]

Kevin, I know of 22 that he owes money to. But Doc_A is being swamped with emails with others who are taking this to him in private, and I can't say as I blame them. It is a shame that we live in a free world but we have monsters like that roaming in it. terrorizing and taking advantage of decent hardworking people.. I have always been told to give the benefit of the doubt to others and help them when they stumble, pray for them when times were rough. At the beginning of all this I did, I truly wanted Onery to see what he was doing to hurt people, now I can't feel sorry for him, His owing people money is one thing, but slamming Scott Shaw, Gail, Ronee, Sarah and countless others over their looks, weight and gender to me is a very unforgivable hateful, spiteful deed to do. All they wanted was their pay, nothing more.

I seen 4 different posts on here where Gail and a few others told the viewers on this board TO NOT BRING HIS FAMILY into the slamming mess...and it was because they have integrity. To bad Onery didn't study under them they could have taught him alot about the right way to live life.

Momma

[Sparvid]

I was feeling bored.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/sparvid/cage.jpg

[JeffreyWKramer]

Sweet Christmas!

[KevinTBrown]

Kevin, I know of 22 that he owes money to. But Doc_A is being swamped with emails with others who are taking this to him in private, and I can't say as I blame them. It is a shame that we live in a free world but we have monsters like that roaming in it. terrorizing and taking advantage of decent hardworking people.. I have always been told to give the benefit of the doubt to others and help them when they stumble, pray for them when times were rough. At the beginning of all this I did, I truly wanted Onery to see what he was doing to hurt people, now I can't feel sorry for him, His owing people money is one thing, but slamming Scott Shaw, Gail, Ronee, Sarah and countless others over their looks, weight and gender to me is a very unforgivable hateful, spiteful deed to do. All they wanted was their pay, nothing more.

I seen 4 different posts on here where Gail and a few others told the viewers on this board TO NOT BRING HIS FAMILY into the slamming mess...and it was because they have integrity. To bad Onery didn't study under them they could have taught him alot about the right way to live life.

Momma

22? So that's 22 who are willing to fight and want their money that you know of. I would suspect that the 22 is probably about 10% of the people he owes money to.... If he's done this to people in the comics industry, you can bet he's "expanded" to include others that have no idea this message board or somone like Gail Simone even exists.

[Momma Absurd]

I was feeling bored.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/sparvid/cage.jpg



OMG!!! I love creative people, I only did a stick figure of Olney with a foot up its ass......until now that was ok with me, now I am jealous........beautiful work!!!!!!! May I may a copy for my office?

Momma

[neko onna]

I was feeling bored.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/sparvid/cage.jpg

That should be on a shirt! Nice Job!

[wishlish]

That should be on a shirt! Nice Job!

It's also one of the most hilarious Marvel stories ever; Doom tries to shirk paying for a job that Luke Cage does. So what does Cage do? He borrows a rocket from Reed Richards, goes to Latveria, stops a revolution trying to oust Doom, and demands (and gets) his money. Absolutely awesome.

[Wil Radcliffe]

It's also one of the most hilarious Marvel stories ever; Doom tries to shirk paying for a job that Luke Cage does. So what does Cage do? He borrows a rocket from Reed Richards, goes to Latveria, stops a revolution trying to oust Doom, and demands (and gets) his money. Absolutely awesome.

Sheesh! If I borrowed my buddy's rocket to go to Mohawk to collect my money and found a revolution forming against Olney, I'd forget about the money and join the revolution!

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

I don't think he's coming back. He can't delete his posts and with real life crashing down on him...Olney is done.

RIP

JP

[Momma Absurd]

good now maybe I can get back to being nice.......



Actually I come over here to look at Ronee's avatar, I love that baby!!!

Maybe Onery isn't here cause he had to go to the ER for having a fart crossways.....

Damn I knew my nice try would go blow............:evilsmile

[Gail Simone]

Wow.

Look up 'orcafresh' at Newsarama and there is some bizarre, bizarre stuff.

Here's one of his posts.

"I am also a person who grew up learning the importance of respect. We're each capable of extending respect based upon the level of respect we experience in differing facets of life and communication.




Yes, stick to your guns...but don't be afraid to use those guns should you wander into a scenario or meet a person that clearly has no intention of respecting you, simply because they can't respect themself.

Me... I'm a firm believer in the f*%# me, f*%# you ethic. You can take advantage of me and do all the goofin' you want at my expense. God help you if I ever find you out on it... 'Cause you'll be tired of me ... and I'll just be getting back on my feet all energized to ride you into your grave. Really. "


You're an empty threat, Rick, and always have been.

Gail

[Matt Doc Martin]

Wow.

Look up 'orcafresh' at Newsarama and there is some bizarre, bizarre stuff.

Here's one of his posts.


Me... I'm a firm believer in the f*%# me, f*%# you ethic. You can take advantage of me and do all the goofin' you want at my expense. God help you if I ever find you out on it... 'Cause you'll be tired of me ... and I'll just be getting back on my feet all energized to ride you into your grave. Really. "



Talk about words that came back to take a big ol' bite out of his ass!

[colleen]

Congrats on the kid.

I had one thought- don't trademark the "comics in the classroom" phrase. DO protect all of your content and design and logo work. But since there are other "comics in the classroom" programs, why trademark it? Let there be lots of programs that get good comics in the schools (and libraries).

But then again, I could be wrong, and if others want to correct me, please do so.

Good luck with the new baby! Got any photos? Boy or girl? How's the proud mother? You know, if it's a boy, "Ray" is a great name...;)

This continues the misunderstanding of the trademark laws.

When he trademarks the logo he has created for Comics in the Classroom, the phrase is a part of the logo. If someone else uses the phrase IN THE SAME CONTEXT, then it can be considered a trademark violation of the logo as registered, depending on design andhow it is used.

The logo can be registered in a limited way, such as for books, but it can also be registered in a more comprehensive way, such as for games, T-shirts, and other merchandise. This costs more money, every time it is registered for another use, and it must be used on the arena in which it is registered.

Look, a trademark is the mark of one's trade. It identifies the source of goods. If you want to have a trademarked logo saying Comics in the Classroom, then people know that is about you and your product. That's the way trademark works.

I certainly wouldn't appreciate it if people confused the issue by trying to produce books called A Distant Soil and then made a case as to why that would not confuse the marketplace. It would confuse the marketplace, and yes, I would sue.

You don't simply trademark a word or phrase to keep it from use by others. You can file an intent to register, and that has limited protection. If you do not then follow up with the commercial use of the registration, then you lose it. It's that simple. It is false to assert that companies simply file trademarks to keep other people from using them with impugnity. While mass registrations do occur, this practice has limited profitability. If the company does not actually use those trademarks, they lose them.

A trademark does not have absolute protection. You must be able to prove confusion in the marketplace between the two marks. If you can't prove it, that's that. In fact, two similar, or even the same names, can exist in one marketplace and there can be no problem, such as DC Comic's Sandman and Marvel Comic's Sandman. The character designs are radically different, and so are the logos.



c

[Kurt Busiek]

The whole trademark issue is mostly about legal power. Whether right or wrong a company with enough legal power can take you to court and drain you.

Companies will trademark words or phrases or to be most accurate will simply take you to court to try and force you not to use those words or phrases.

Companies will trademark words or phrases they use as marks in trade. Not just any old words. The idea of "marks in trade" is one people don't understand much, but it's very simple: A logo, for instance, is word used as an identifying mark on objects that gets sold -- marks used in trade.

Thus, if DC wants to trademark, say, "Up, Up and Away" (as they've done), it's not enouhg to have Superman say it in a comic book. It has to be used as an identifying mark on packaging -- a cover, a toy package, whatever.

If it's a mark used in service, rather than trade, it's a service mark, and gets a little SM next to it. Service marks are used in advertising, but not on products for sale. I think "Don't Leave Home Without It" is a service mark, for instance.

But they're all subject to the actual regulations of applicable law, not just who's got the most money.

Generally, people with more money are better at gaming the system -- making a trial cost enough to be forbidding for a less-wealthy opponent, for example -- but that's not unique to trademark law. It's also not consistent -- when the Houston Astros sent me a letter challenging my trademark on ASTRO CITY, we sent them back a letter politely inviting them to bite us, and they went away, because they knew they had no real grounds for the challenge, and weren't willing to try anything more than the letter.

kdb

[Cam63]

As an example of the other kind...my son has become a big Stan Sakai fan, because of Scott Shaw's high praise. Now he loves Usagi Yojimbo.

Stan had just finished a long panel and looked exhausted. More than that, he had to go to the bathroom. My son, knowing he might not see Stan again, broke the protocol rules by asking for an autograph, but at least he said, "It's okay, I know you're in a hurry and can't do a sketch, but could I get your signature, please?"

And Stan, though CLEARLY in need of a bathroom break, drew a quick Usagi sketch for my son and couldn't have been nicer.

Yes, the sketch means a lot to my son. But more than that, he treasures having met a great artist he really respects who CARED enough to be nice to him. We have stories like that about Scott Shaw, Sergio Aragones, Terry Dodson, Alvin Lee, the Greg the Bunny guys, and dozens of others.

The lesson learned is that even though these guys are plenty big enough names that they COULD be dismissive jerks, they instead show nothing but class and kindness. And I've seen this several times, but it's often the no-talent bum who is unkind and arrogant and needlessly awful.

Stan taking the time to draw that sketch when he clearly had other important...uh...duties...well, that taught my son a lot. And as I say, we saw the greats in the industry behave that same way again and again. James Kolchaka, Kyle Baker...these guys we both saw at the end of the con when they were packing up and exhausted and BOTH insisted on doing sketches for Cody's book even when we told them it was okay, we understood.

Class. You can't buy it, and Rick?


You can't fake it.


Gail

'Sound like Stan has a nurse's bladder capability as well as being a classy dude.

[Cam63]

Wasn't Odd Job a Bond villain?

A flea circus trainer and breeder is an odd job.

[Kurt Busiek]

I was just contacted by the original PR person (also a CBR member) Richard Sullivan about my short tenure at TLE... I hope Richard doesn't mind that I'm including the message here...

Just as a caution -- when someone says, in private e-mail:

"And btween you and I."

...I'd think you'd need express permission before making it public. He's identified it as something that's between the two of you, not for the world at large.

kdb

[Cam63]

'Morning, Kurt.

[TCJohnson]

I was just looking through the plots of some of his older projects:

Ever wonder what your life would be like if it
abruptly changed and you found a travel network that
cast you into different adventures withonly one
connecting thing that hadn't changed?


I can honestly say that I have never wondered that.

[EdContradictory]

I was just looking through the plots of some of his older projects:

Ever wonder what your life would be like if it
abruptly changed and you found a travel network that
cast you into different adventures withonly one
connecting thing that hadn't changed?

I can honestly say that I have never wondered that.
I'd wonder how I ended up in a plot stolen from Fantasy island.

[Cam63]

Off topic just for a sec.....


Spring of '78, I and my best friend had a job interview with John Wayne Gacy. The only reason we never took the job is because my friend got sick and was hospitalized soon thereafter and I didn't think it was fair to accept the job without him. I truly believe in Guardian Angels.

Holy shit. That was a close one, Kevin.

[Gail Simone]

I was just looking through the plots of some of his older projects:



I can honestly say that I have never wondered that.

Ever wonder what it would be like to have even basic writing skills so that you convey even a ridiculously hackneyed and simplistic idea effectively?

;)

Gail

[colleen]

CitC

Don't be hard on yourself for not knowing this stuff. No one is born knowing copyright and trademark law. Either you learn it in art school (and many art schools don't bother), you learn it in law school (and most lawyers don't specialize in it), or you learn it in the School of Hard Knocks.

For a pathetic look into my past, and just how I got my Hard Knock U. Masters Degree, you are more than welcome to come to my blog and read this:

http://adistantsoil.com/tag/very-bad-publishers/

Start with Part I.

This is a detailed, grim, and true story of one of the worst experiences I had early in my career, before there was an internet where people could warn each other about the crap that goes on at horrible publishers.

It gives details of landmines you may find in your contracts, and what effect it all had on me and my work for over a decade.

Moreover, I am sorry to say this is nowhere near the worst experience I had in comics. It is simply the only one I can write about. The other one had to be settled out of court, took nearly ten years of my life to deal with, and was so bad, I am actually glad not to be in a position to talk about it.

Read and heed.

Good luck.


c

Edited for typo.

[Cam63]

I'd wonder how I ended up in a plot stolen from Fantasy island.

I wonder how I ended up in a plot stolen from Charlie's Angels.

Mmmm.... Nice.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Companies will trademark words or phrases they use as marks in trade. Not just any old words. The idea of "marks in trade" is one people don't understand much, but it's very simple: A logo, for instance, is word used as an identifying mark on objects that gets sold -- marks used in trade.

Thus, if DC wants to trademark, say, "Up, Up and Away" (as they've done), it's not enouhg to have Superman say it in a comic book. It has to be used as an identifying mark on packaging -- a cover, a toy package, whatever.

If it's a mark used in service, rather than trade, it's a service mark, and gets a little SM next to it. Service marks are used in advertising, but not on products for sale. I think "Don't Leave Home Without It" is a service mark, for instance.

But they're all subject to the actual regulations of applicable law, not just who's got the most money.

Generally, people with more money are better at gaming the system -- making a trial cost enough to be forbidding for a less-wealthy opponent, for example -- but that's not unique to trademark law. It's also not consistent -- when the Houston Astros sent me a letter challenging my trademark on ASTRO CITY, we sent them back a letter politely inviting them to bite us, and they went away, because they knew they had no real grounds for the challenge, and weren't willing to try anything more than the letter.

kdb

On another thread we were discussing copyright and trademark. One ( wrestler) recieved word that due to another company buying an old company he worked years earlier for he can't use a moniker or phrase he used to do " The King of Old School ".

[Matt Doc Martin]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=399510#post399510

Hi, I'm Rick Olney (here standing to the side of Billy Tucci)

Who know probably would not get within arm's reach.

I'm presently the part owner of a small entertainment company name of TightLip Entertainment. I

Heh. I bet you wish you could deny that now!

host and own two yearly events, The Mighty Mini-Con (first weekend in June) www.mightyminicon.com and The Spooky (third weekend in October), www.thespookyny.com that take place in upstate New York in Syracuse.
Or you used to be....


I founded and direct the younger readers and hobbyists organization known as ORCA (Organized Readers of Comics Associated). ORCA is 11 years old, reaches across America and into 4 other countries presently membership wise. Maybe you've seen the now defunct www.orcafresh.net ?

YOU did that?

I'm the guy and originator of "Comics in the Classroom" that helped CrossGen Entertainment to explore and begin the BRIDGES program.

Read back a few pages here. Guess what? You again are a proven liar

I'm also the originator of the industry's attempts at .99 cent comics back when Marvel listened to my idea and raan with it. Only to later realize they hadn't supported it marketing wise and failed to bring the Retail community up to speed. "Bring them into your store with an more affordable alternative, then watch the natural exposure factor increase your sales!"

Yes. YOU did that. Uh-huh. Funny how Marvel has never listed you in editorial or management. Did you create the term "comic book" as well?

...course nobody banked on retailers failing to give the .99 cent line a chance because of not wanting to sacrifice shelf space for a cheaper comic. Spidey was HOT back then. They backed Spidey.
Spidey is still hot. You are not.

I'm sane.

*snork*

Ummm... let's see what else...

Oh, I have my own Episode One Star Wars character named after me. "Ric Olie" and you need to explore the symbolism behind George Lucas' choice on that Starship pilot having my derived namesake. First guy to give free comics to kids! First starship pilot to give young Anakin Skywalker free starship fying lessons. I'm sane.

First time I have seen such a tenuous grip on reality! Guess what? Doc Marten boots were not named after me. Springfield, MA was not named after Rick Springfield. And Ric Olie was not named after you. I DEFY you to provide a shred of proof. But much like your fabled "attorney" it does not exist.

ORCA's had several character representations in several mainstream and indy comics. Notably, SPAWN #46 and The ORCA female character, a jewel thief, in BATMAN DETECTIVE awhile back.

"Orca" is a creature. Because you use the name and someone else does, it does not make it an homage to YOU. I call bullshit!

I'm sane.

*bwahahahahaha*

I've known nearly all of the EIC's and a couple presidents of Marvel. Again, this is the 'geekiness' showing. I think I might even have the unofficial record for interviews with Stan Lee.

Probably the same way I know so many artists and writers. I met them at cons. Doesn't make them personal friends, nor me special.
I'm sane.

*wipes tear from eye*

I'm married 29 years to the same woman. I'm sane.
"I will hold on like grim death. She is the breadwinner."


We have 5 children, all grown and on their own with families or significant others except for our 13year old youngest son. I'm sane.

"They may even be mine."

I'm a honorable veteran of the military, served during Viet Nam,
That is not the same as serving IN Viet Nam, and I am guessing you washed out during your time stationed in Okinawa servicing lonely GI's.

and have been reading and collecting comic books for over 45years now. Believe me, I have comic books that look and smell better than any of us on our worst day.

That applies to you, most certainly. Of course, New Jersey smells better than you on IT'S worst day.

I'm sane. I also know a number of semi-famous people outside of the comic book industry. But you don't need to hear anything about that...

"(Please, please give me a chance to mention them...please? I once sold a hamburger to Milton Berle...Chevy Chase once wrinkled his nose and moved away from me....)"

Ummm... and did I tell you I'm sane? No, really I am! Don't believe the rumors.
"Don't believe my postings as Dark Gothic Poseur! Don't read any of my posts! Ignore all the astounding amounts of evidence I lay out! I am SANE! Booga booga!"
Ever have a question, ask the target... first.

Barring that, just shoot at the bastard.

Are you having a nice day yet, pRick?

[TCJohnson]

Ever wonder what it would be like to have even basic writing skills so that you convey even a ridiculously hackneyed and simplistic idea effectively?

;)

Gail

Now THAT I constantly wonder about.

[Cam63]

Killing people does not automatically make you a bad person.

Depending on the person.

It's more fun to give 'em a flesh wound.

[TCJohnson]

I founded and direct the younger readers and hobbyists organization known as ORCA (Organized Readers of Comics Associated). ORCA is 11 years old, reaches across America and into 4 other countries presently membership wise. Maybe you've seen the now defunct www.orcafresh.net ?

And a tribesman in the deep rainforest asks himself, "Why do they keep sending me this newsletter."

[Cam63]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/ScaryMonkeyShow/dancingmonkey.gif

Yeah, but that monkey looks vastly more likable.