Rick Olney--Fibber or Mega-Giganta-Fibber?

[Matt Doc Martin]

Who said anything about Rick Olney? I was simply relaying my own experiences with nonpayment.

Oh..I am sorry. I thought you were talking about an experience with him. I mean, surely you see similarities.

I apologize for my confusion.

[Wil Radcliffe]

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/theearthtoys_1930_56578198

Nope. "Ric Olié", according to this thread: http://www.grantbond.com/bulletin/viewtopic.php?t=29&sid=276a6b11bf971c4bbdf6aecbcbf63d0d

There are many more to be found, just google for "olney ric olie"... he likes to spread the word.

I think it's more likely George Lucas was giving a shout out to Ricola (http://www.ricola.com/) for giving him soothing relief during a particularly nasty cold.

[Alan Lynch]

Ignore this. Me am stupid.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Of course you know that when Olney replies to this he'll put your real name in quote marks in an effort to show how much he knows.

Like how he knows about the real owner of the message boards here? And how he knows lemmings? And military ranks?

That kind of knowledge?

[amboy00]

We won't get a "straight" answer from him, Ed.Please do not refer to Rick Olney as gay.

We wouldn't take him.

[EraserX]

Ignore this. Me am stupid.

Doesn't matter. It only takes 30 seconds for anyone here to find my real name anyway and I have no intention of wasting my day calling names. It's off my chest and I feel better.

[AIPman1]

Seriously though, it sounds like a comic version of the BBB.

Yes, married to a touch of CBLDF if at all possible to build or connect with other groups.

So come to the SPA and help build it: http://www.dimestoreproductions.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,137/topic,2323.0/

[KevinTBrown]

Like how he knows about the real owner of the message boards here? And how he knows lemmings? And military ranks?

That kind of knowledge?

Or lack thereof.....

[EdContradictory]

Please do not refer to Rick Olney as gay.

We wouldn't take him.
Just because Rick Olney enjoys throbbing engorged male sex organs... that doesn't make him a homosexual. That's what his male prostitutes tell him, anyway.

Let's not jump to any conclusions here.

[KevinTBrown]

Just because Rick Olney enjoys throbbing engorged male sex organs... that doesn't make him a homosexual. That's what his male prostitutes tell him, anyway.

Let's not jump to any conclusions here.

Please, don't disrespect the male prostitutes by lumping Olney in with them....

[EdContradictory]

Please, don't disrespect the male prostitutes by lumping Olney in with them....

They're still waiting to be paid by him too...

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Please, don't disrespect the male prostitutes by lumping Olney in with them....

He's not worth the effort Kev...You'll just damage your knuckles. You have to hit guys like this where it really hurts...his wallet.

JP

[AIPman1]

Gotcha.

I'd swap out "In God We Trust" on the dime with your url.

if you see it blown up, it says "in SPA we trust"

[KevinTBrown]

They're still waiting to be paid by him too...

Hmm, I thought he already accepted a deposit from them....

[Matt Doc Martin]

He's not worth the effort Kev...You'll just damage your knuckles. You have to hit guys like this where it really hurts...his wallet.

JP

There is nothing in his wallet. Save for what his wife allows him to have for an allowance.

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

There is nothing in his wallet. Save for what his wife allows him to have for an allowance.
lmao...touche

JP

[KevinTBrown]

There is nothing in his wallet. Save for what his wife allows him to have for an allowance.

His wife? Or do you mean the plastic looking female thing with the perpetual surprised look on her face?

[Gail Simone]

Well...I think I've been blown off enough at this point. I'm not going to join in on the suckpit of name-calling or restating what has become very, very, obvious by now, but I will say this. I stressed on multiple occasions that even though we could really use the money owed to me for services rendered, the most important thing was being kept up to date. Nearly two weeks ago I was told that I would be given information about payment in the next 24-48 hours. So, I started waiting again. Sunday of this week, I wrote asking for an update after no response for two weeks. And I waited...and waited. I watched pages upon pages of name calling and childish internet banter. But for all the time spent calling names on message boards, there was no time to write me back. This morning, I finally found a note in my inbox reassuiring me that the importance of the situation was understood. Yet, still no comment whatsoever regarding payment for services rendered nearly five months ago.

Now I will say this...I have worked off and on in mainstream comics for a decade now. Comic books have been my primary income for the last three years. During this time, I've had hardships. I've had people break their word and contracts with me. I've had deaths in my family. And, like most everyone else I know, there have been times where I was not able to pay the people who had worked for me on time. I'm not proud of that fact and I can't even blame every instance on something or someone else. Sometimes, it was just mismanagement on my own part. I've been on both sides of the coin. Having been there and feeling like complete garbage knowing that someone was depending on the money I didn't have to give them. it's very easy to see when someone considers it a priority to pay. When I've owed others money, I answer their questions to the best of my ability. I kept them informed if things happened to change. And lastly, as soon as I was able, I paid them for the services rendered without making personal attacks on them and never once had had to deal with being insulted, outted, or shamed online. It's a simple formula really. You deal with people honestly and sincerely and you get to keep your reputation in tact, even if you trip up now and then. That's all I ask of anyone I work with. Why is that so difficult?


I'm sorry to hear of your misadventures with someone like Rick, or possibly Rick, nudge nudge.

He sounds like a complete j-hole.

Gail

[Solaris]

Hmm, I thought he already accepted a deposit from them....

...and their drycleaners just simply CAN'T get the stains out.

*ba-dum-bum, ching!*

All right, seriously, I don't have any clue to the man's sexual habits (nor would I want to). All I know is that scads of people have gotten nothing from him but trouble, hardship, and apparently, lies.

That's enough to hear, to know that I'm really glad I never have to deal with him.

Honestly, if you work your heart out to produce something, by gods you ought to get paid as you were promised. And if the payer is truly having problems, they OUGHT to be honest with you, keep up with you, and pay you asap. It's the fact that he refuses to do BOTH these things (not to mention slandering anyone who contradicts him on what happened, and also making up stuff to puff his own importance with a lot of hot air) that makes him despicable.

[Gail Simone]

Please, don't disrespect the male prostitutes by lumping Olney in with them....

HA!

:)


Gail

[EdContradictory]

Hmm, I thought he already accepted a deposit from them....
That... that was brilliant.

[Solaris]

His wife? Or do you mean the plastic looking female thing with the perpetual surprised look on her face?

Okay, while one might question the sanity and/or character of someone who would be married to a person like Rick, let's not make assumptions here or stoop to his level of insults. She might honestly know nothing of his nefarious practices, might be a person who believes every word he says, etc. Unless someone actually knows the lady and knows enough about her to insult her, let's leave her out of it, okay? His kids, ditto.

I know, I know... but there really are cases out there where close family members had absolutely no clue what their loved one was up to. IIRC, Ted Bundy's mother had NO idea he was a psychopathic killer of young women, case in point.

Anyway, until someone who knows the woman steps forth to speak, let's not stoop to his level of insult... because it's really stinky down there. Okay?

[singoalla]

Please do not refer to Rick Olney as gay.

We wouldn't take him.

The Christians won't take him. The Wiccans don't want him. The gays won't have him either. Jews don't want him, and with all his "patriotic" ramblings I doubt the muslims will have him. The Hindus believe in karma, as do the buddhists, so no luck there. Someone mentioned prostitutes don't want him, and pimps actually get paid (mostly).
Heck, you know you're bad off when not even us atheists will have you!

[KevinTBrown]

Okay, while one might question the sanity and/or character of someone who would be married to a person like Rick, let's not make assumptions here or stoop to his level of insults. She might honestly know nothing of his nefarious practices, might be a person who believes every word he says, etc. Unless someone actually knows the lady and knows enough about her to insult her, let's leave her out of it, okay? His kids, ditto.

I know, I know... but there really are cases out there where close family members had absolutely no clue what their loved one was up to. IIRC, Ted Bundy's mother had NO idea he was a psychopathic killer of young women, case in point.

Anyway, until someone who knows the woman steps forth to speak, let's not stoop to his level of insult... because it's really stinky down there. Okay?

Hence the reason for the "or do you mean" line that followed. ;)

Seriously, I'm fairly certain his wife has no idea. And I truly and sincerely have sympathy for her.






On the other hand, I'm also certain Olney did indeed make a trip to the bank recently for a major withdrawl.

Unfortunately, it was the sperm bank, so people still aren't getting paid. Though he feels quite fulfilled now.

[neko onna]

~spittake~

Well, I just emailed George Lucas Education foundation about this, and we shall soon see if this is indeed true. Not to mention that any googling of Skywalker Ranch Children's Cancer Benefit, turns up exactly zero results.
You'd think something like that would be touted far and wide. It's good for business to be involved in sick children's benefits.

Gonna go see if there's any possibility of contacting even a janitor at Skywalker Ranch for help on this matter.

I have put an email in to one of the charcters creators that I know..Hopefully he can help.

[Solaris]

Hence the reason for the "or do you mean" line that followed. ;)

Seriously, I'm fairly certain his wife has no idea. And I truly and sincerely have sympathy for her.






On the other hand, I'm also certain Olney did indeed make a trip to the bank recently for a major withdrawl.

Unfortunately, it was the sperm bank, so people still aren't getting paid. Though he feels quite fulfilled now.

Argh, didn't mean to seem accusing or anything. I was just afraid we were verging toward that territory, perhaps with posts that might follow yours, so I said something. :)

And... are you saying he has to make a withdrawal because he keeps coming up dry?

(You get a gold star for every pun you catch that I included in the above statement.) :D

[Solaris]

I have put an email in to one of the charcters creators that I know..Hopefully he can help.

Oooo! I hope you guys are able to find out something. I'm betting that either Lucas has either never heard of Olney, or that the character was a deliberate poke at him. (Probably the former.)

[Typo Lad]

I'd just like to point out that immature, nasty jokes don't help anyone get their monies back.

[singoalla]

Originally Posted by AIPman1
There are a number of things that the SPA has built over the years that have made a difference for publishers, but one thing has become painfully obvious: The Self Publishing Network needs a way to know who are honest, decent people, and a way for helping stop those that aren't from preying upon the newbies that haven't been around the block enough yet.

I dunno if this is a good idea, but in Sweden we've got this so-called Black List of retailers/producers/stores etc who have practiced bad business ethics, and have not followed the rules put down by the Consumers Association.
The Consumers Association is a non-profit government department that oversees laws and regulations concerning consumer's rights. Obviously, you're not associated with the government though, but it has the same general idea.

The list has banks, insurance companies, stores, rental agencies, you name it.
You can search by town, and then the kind of business you're interested in. For example: New York, New York, Printing Business.

Then you'll find, NYC, NYC Printers Business, and the reason they're on that list.
For example: New York City, New York, NYC Printer Business - Failed to deliver 1000 books for the amount of 2000 USD, and has not repaid the amount.

No one has to have gone to court for this. All it takes to be on the list is a complaint and verification of the truth, and possibly, if someone does go to court over it the result.

[KevinTBrown]

Argh, didn't mean to seem accusing or anything. I was just afraid we were verging toward that territory, perhaps with posts that might follow yours, so I said something. :)

And... are you saying he has to make a withdrawal because he keeps coming up dry?

(You get a gold star for every pun you catch that I included in the above statement.) :D

More like...


You get a cookie.

http://allamericanspeakers.com/sportspeakers/photos/1822Don_Rickles.jpg


:D

[KevinTBrown]

I'd just like to point out that immature, nasty jokes don't help anyone get their monies back.

Perhaps not, but at this point in time, neither does being nice about it.

The fact of the matter is, Olney is not going to pay one red cent. Period. He may think he has everyone over a barrel, whereas he's the one who should be scared shitless right now. He was already kneedeep in it long before he posted the "iKill" image, now he's nothing but carrion for those who wish to pick off the body.....

The jokes are what they are, jokes. :) And Olney has proven himself to be the biggest joke of all by his actions, or rather non-action vs. reaction.

[Solaris]

I'd just like to point out that immature, nasty jokes don't help anyone get their monies back.

Yes you're right Morts, they don't.

On the other hand, it's a natural human feeling to want to *make* them---especially if the butt of the jokes has been publically nasty to you or others.

It's the war of our two natures, and sometimes folks just need to let the "nasty joke" one out a bit. Maybe not so nice, but certainly understandable. I think for a lot of people it serves as a pressure valve, helping them to let off a little steam from the very real anger they feel. Thing is, it can also be hard at times, once you've let it out, to keep a decent rein on it---but most folks do try to do so, sometimes with a little help from gentle, sensible reminders like the one you just gave. :)

[Gail Simone]

I'd just like to point out that immature, nasty jokes don't help anyone get their monies back.

Neither does sitting by quietly, nor does keeping your mouth shut, nor does pleading, nor does repeated emails.

Gail

[Solaris]

Perhaps not, but at this point in time, neither does being nice about it.

The fact of the matter is, Olney is not going to pay one red cent. Period. He may think he has everyone over a barrel, whereas he's the one who should be scared shitless right now. He was already kneedeep in it long before he posted the "iKill" image, now he's nothing but carion for those who wish to pick off the body.....

The jokes are what they are, jokes. :) And Olney has proven himself to be the biggest joke of all by his actions, or rather non-action vs. reaction.

I haven't seen the image, because he took it down. Is it anywhere else in the thread?

[Typo Lad]

Neither does sitting by quietly, nor does keeping your mouth shut, nor does pleading, nor does repeated emails.

Gail
I don't believe I am saying anyone should keep their mouths shut Ms. Simone. In fact, when others have said the same thing, saying we should focus on bigger issues, I used the term "douchebag" to describe them.

I think publicizing Onley's lies is a wonderful thing.

However, that's what this thread should be for. A place to warn others.

There are now multiple threads mocking this "man". Can't this one be professional?

[MacQuarrie]

What the hell is this?

Sorry, my fault. I said "Would somebody please go punch this idiot in the mouth?" and somebody else replied that you live closest to him. Dick ran with it.

Didn't mean to drag you into that.

[Solaris]

Neither does sitting by quietly, nor does keeping your mouth shut, nor does pleading, nor does repeated emails.

Gail

To be honest, I don't think a lawsuit will either... because I think some kind of bankruptcy will come into play, and those to whom he owes money will never see any of it.

HOWEVER... a lawsuit MIGHT result in either the man doing jail time, or his business being shut down with some kind of order that he get out of the industry, or both---and THAT is well worth the efforts.

Granted, I'm no legal expert, and will gladly take correction on any of those counts from someone who IS... but that's just the way I see it playing out. But again, a suit (or multiple suits) will be worth it, if they manage to get him out of the industry and stop him from cheating people.

[Typo Lad]

Yes you're right Morts, they don't.

Make a note of this, assistant! On this day someone actually said I was right.

On the other hand, it's a natural human feeling to want to *make* them---especially if the butt of the jokes has been publically nasty to you or others.

Can't it be done in one of the other Onley-mocking threads? Can't this one be "This is Rick Onley. he is a liar. Do not do business with him. Here is why."?

It's the war of our two natures, and sometimes folks just need to let the "nasty joke" one out a bit. Maybe not so nice, but certainly understandable. I think for a lot of people it serves as a pressure valve, helping them to let off a little steam from the very real anger they feel. Thing is, it can also be hard at times, once you've let it out, to keep a decent rein on it---but most folks do try to do so, sometimes with a little help from gentle, sensible reminders like the one you just gave. :)

All I know is that when Jim MacQuarrie is threatening physical violence, things have gone too far.

[KevinTBrown]

IF Olney has any property or insurance whatsoever, there's money to be had in some way.

[NatGertler]

Okay. This, to me, is priceless. RG says, yes, she'll sign the NDA, just send all the paper work and your lawyer's contact infoTo be fair, RG didn't actually say she'd sign the papers. She's likely too smart to agree to sign papers sight unseen. Likely, she's smart enough to be wary of signing anything that does not have, in writing, that it's contingent on Rick paying the money. I think it should be clear that Rick's word that he will pay the money is not something one should have pure faith in.

Not, mind you, that I've yet to see any reason why she should have to sign anything to get money which she is already owed.

[KevinTBrown]

I haven't seen the image, because he took it down. Is it anywhere else in the thread?

Here it is:

My favorite image:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/orcafresh/Smilies/USMCikill.jpg

[Daneault]

Thank you, sir (or madam, as the case may be). Very helpful and very informative.

Going by what I have heard from various pending-action litigants, most of the amounts owed are certainly worth suing for. Some creators are owed well into the four-figure range. That said, I don't give a tinker's damn what the payout is. I don't care if it costs someone a thousand bucks to sue Olney for a parking receipt, I'll pay it gladly so long as process is followed, and litigation is followed through, to the fullest extent of the law. I will (and have already) paid for filing fees and process servers, and I will furthermore overnight-FedEx a reimbursement check to the first legitimate obligee who will perform the suggested "corporate search" and share it with others owed.

Guys, help me spread the word far and wide on every message board you can find, because it's important that everyone Olney owes can hear it whether they visit here or not: I understand that it's exhausting and draining and, depending on your size, sometimes a little scary to face down a bully. That's why I have your back.

If you're involved in this medium at all at this level, it's very likely--at least in part--because, at some point in your young life, you were inspired by heroes who taught you that right makes might, or that doing good is its own reward. Those are very simplistic messages designed for children, yes. And, yes, adult life eventually beats those expectations out of us; I understand that more than you will ever know. I acknowledge that life surrounds us, tests us, with people who were blessed by the same teachings we were but who--because the world is a harsh place--have had to forget those lessons because it hurts too much to remember how much we once invested in them.

But we don't have to be that way. We're better than that, all of us, any of us born with the simple capacity for reason. And we get up in the morning, and we follow our conscience above all other considerations, and sometimes we stumble and sometimes we lose our way and sometimes we screw up and sometimes we are smacked down, but we get up and we stay true to our conscience as best as we possibly can. We do it to honor those who showed us how. We do it to teach those who have yet to learn. And most of all, we do it because there is absolutely no question in any good man's heart that doing right by others makes the world a better place for us all.

This isn't about monies owed. It's about doing right not only by others but by yourself. It's about having enough self-respect...which I know you all do, I know it...to stand up and teach a bully or a cheat that actions have consequences. Don't be afraid, and don't throw the opportunity away. Follow your conscience, and go to bed knowing that for all you may have bungled or blundered that day, you at least did something to improve your life and the lives of others less fortunate.
You, sir are my new favoritest person. If we ever get you down to Phoenix, the first round is on me.

[Gail Simone]

I don't believe I am saying anyone should keep their mouths shut Ms. Simone. In fact, when others have said the same thing, saying we should focus on bigger issues, I used the term "douchebag" to describe them.

I think publicizing Onley's lies is a wonderful thing.

However, that's what this thread should be for. A place to warn others.

There are now multiple threads mocking this "man". Can't this one be professional?

Yes, sir, Mr. Lad.

Gail

[AIPman1]

I dunno if this is a good idea, but in Sweden we've got this so-called Black List of retailers/producers/stores etc who have practiced bad business ethics, and have not followed the rules put down by the Consumers Association.
The Consumers Association is a non-profit government department that oversees laws and regulations concerning consumer's rights. Obviously, you're not associated with the government though, but it has the same general idea.

The list has banks, insurance companies, stores, rental agencies, you name it.
You can search by town, and then the kind of business you're interested in. For example: New York, New York, Printing Business.

Then you'll find, NYC, NYC Printers Business, and the reason they're on that list.
For example: New York City, New York, NYC Printer Business - Failed to deliver 1000 books for the amount of 2000 USD, and has not repaid the amount.

No one has to have gone to court for this. All it takes to be on the list is a complaint and verification of the truth, and possibly, if someone does go to court over it the result.
As I'm not not so thrilled by the name calling going on in this thread, can I ask you to bring serious discussion to this thread: http://www.dimestoreproductions.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,137/topic,2323.0/

It's one thing to let the guy hang himself, people, and another to hang yourself in the process.

[Gail Simone]

We've saved the threats and the gay-bashing.

He's screwed. No lawyer in the world is going to want to explain that iKill thing.

Gail

[Solaris]

Here it is:


And the point of it was supposed to be...???

I mean, in looking at it, I would take the whole picture to be from a "Peace" site that is condemning the military and war.

Which I seriously doubt was Olney's intent in posting it, heh. :D

[Typo Lad]

Yes, sir, Mr. Lad.

Gail
Sarcasm sense, tingling...

AIP, that link isn't loading for me.

[Gail Simone]

While we're at it, I'm putting my foot down about two of the three previous rules.


1) No physical threats, period. I know you're speaking metaphorically. But we are above that. Let the weasel be the weasel. He is not worth going to jail, and money isn't worth soiling your hands on this guy. Neither are insults.

2) I still say, and I don't care that he's insulted everyone else's families, I do not want to see his family brought into this. Not his mother, his wife, not his daughter. Again, we know he's disgusting. We know there's no repulsive thing he won't say. The difference is, we DO have limits, and they should include not causing potential hurt to people who have nothing to do with this, and are stuck with this weirdo in the first place.

The military service, he brought it up many times, and used it as part of his physical threats. If you doubt he was a Marine, or doubt his word or record, that's more than fair game, I say.


Fair enough?

If you can't make yourself follow these rules, I would ask that you please not post in this thread.

Best wishes and much gratitude,

Gail

[MacQuarrie]

Certainly, you do not believe that. I mean, truly. It has nothing to do with having anything to hide. I have nothing to hide. But nor do I answer questions like the friggin' Shell answer man. lol

You better hide the deed to your house. When all the people suing you win their judgments, they can all slap liens on your property.

You are completely screwed. Jenna Jameson was never screwed as much as you are now.

[KevinTBrown]

Not a problem, Gail. :)

[Gail Simone]

Holy mackerel...!

Just waiting for some confirmation for something I think you guys will find hilarious.

;)

Gail

[KevinTBrown]

You better hide the deed to your house. When all the people suing you win their judgments, they can all slap liens on your property.

You are completely screwed. Jenna Jameson was never screwed as much as you are now.

Jenna Jameson is now suing you for including her name in a post that also referred to the defendant.

[Corrina]

Okay, while one might question the sanity and/or character of someone who would be married to a person like Rick, let's not make assumptions here or stoop to his level of insults. She might honestly know nothing of his nefarious practices, might be a person who believes every word he says, etc. Unless someone actually knows the lady and knows enough about her to insult her, let's leave her out of it, okay? His kids, ditto.


In the spirit of this, I wonder if it's a good idea to get the local news involved. Sure, getting Olney for his non-payment is a great idea and I support all the legal action and getting the word out in the comics community but the local news team is just going to make him a local celebrity of sorts and the negative stuff is going to backlash on his family.

Of course, the flip side is that he may have scammed someone local, which I suppose is also a consideration.

[Gail Simone]

Jenna Jameson is now suing you for including her name in a post that also referred to the defendant.

Who is Jenna Jameson?

Gail

[Ronée]

I called the 10 news team myself and got the number to his local one. (315) 225-9054 and spoke to a man named Brad. He says that anyone who is owed money by this man send emails to him directly at brad.vivacqua@10newsnow.com

THIS was a damn good idea, I am working on my statement now. So this won't get lost I am also posting the info on my site.

[Typo Lad]

Who is Jenna Jameson?

Gail
An "adult actress".

[neko onna]

she is a famous porn star

[Typo Lad]

In the spirit of this, I wonder if it's a good idea to get the local news involved. Sure, getting Olney for his non-payment is a great idea and I support all the legal action and getting the word out in the comics community but the local news team is just going to make him a local celebrity of sorts and the negative stuff is going to backlash on his family.

Of course, the flip side is that he may have scammed someone local, which I suppose is also a consideration.

I would argue that it is better than making random threats.

I know that reporters have had an impact on people, forcing them to move. Most communities won't support people once stuff like that comes out.

[Coppervale Studio]

Crossposted from KadyMae's livejournal:

Larry Dixon and Mercedes Lackey are visiting me. We had dinner, hung out at the Studio, had a great time.

And other than checking the postcount (to gasp in shock and awe), we didn't spend ten minutes discussing Mr. President of the There But For The Grace Of God Society.


(Although he may have broken me of EVER,EVER, EVER wanting to use smileys again.)

[KevinTBrown]

I called the 10 news team myself and got the number to his local one. (315) 225-9054 and spoke to a man named Brad. He says that anyone who is owed money by this man send emails to him directly at brad.vivacqua@news10now.com

THIS was a damn good idea, I am working on my statement now. So this won't get lost I am also posting the info on my site.

Ronée = All class and brass. ;)

Go git 'em.

[Gail Simone]

I called the 10 news team myself and got the number to his local one. (315) 225-9054 and spoke to a man named Brad. He says that anyone who is owed money by this man send emails to him directly at brad.vivacqua@news10now.com

THIS was a damn good idea, I am working on my statement now. So this won't get lost I am also posting the info on my site.

Ronee, I have a straight up question for you, if you don't mind.

Are you aware of ANY creators who were paid fully as promised during your time at Tightlip?

Thank you, and again, your column kicked ass.

Gail

[Scott Shaw!]

[I]All I know is that when Jim MacQuarrie is threatening physical violence, things have gone too far.

Well, to be fair, Jim didn't do that because he somehow thought he could get away with it here because everyone is piling on Rick Olney. We know that Jim is possibly the sweetest gentleman that anyone could ever want to know. Jim is such a decent guy that it WAS surprising...but when Olney's tossing irrelavant insult-grenades in every direction, it's kinda understandable. At his core, everything about Olney is offensive to a normal person, and I'd venture to say that, even taking his sociopathy into account, most of us have never dealt with someone who's achieved such a level of repulsiveness. As I've mentioned elsewhere, it's like lifting a rock and seeing something writhing underneath it that you feel so sick to behold that you can't help but smash it with the rock it once lived beneath.

The fact that Olney could push Jim's buttons to get him into such a froth speaks much more about how Olney may be a sociopath, but in a schoolyard bully sorta way, he really knows how to manipulate people. In fact, that seems to be his specialty.

That's why I'd like to see Olney banned; it would allow the tone of this thread to soften and for everyone to address the issue of how to either get his contributors paid and/or see Rick Olney legally punished, rather than reacting to his unbelievably hostile outbursts.

Although...if Gail has the sort of surprise in store for Olney that she's alluded to, it'd be rather compelling to witness his mega-meltdown. After what we've already seen, it'll be like a scene outta CARRIE, or maybe SCANNERS.

Aloha,

Scott!

[Gail Simone]

Crossposted from KadyMae's livejournal:

Larry Dixon and Mercedes Lackey are visiting me. We had dinner, hung out at the Studio, had a great time.

And other than checking the postcount (to gasp in shock and awe), we didn't spend ten minutes discussing Mr. President of the There But For The Grace Of God Society.


(Although he may have broken me of EVER,EVER, EVER wanting to use smileys again.)

Wow, Misty and Larry And Kadymae and Ralph.

Dang, wish I was in Vegas.

Gail

[Ronée]

no. not that I know of has ANYONE employed by him been paid. NONE

[Typo Lad]

no. not that I know of has ANYONE employed by him been paid. NONE
I thought he pays the alleged lawyer?

or are you speaking or people you actually met and can confirm the existence of?

[Ronée]

exactly.

and I need to say more for that damn 10 character rule....

[Corrina]

On forming an organization to make self-publishers aware of scammers...

About twenty years ago, a group of women in Texas formed the Romance Writers of America. What they wanted was a group for support, to exchange writing tips, but also to keep everyone up on the publishing industry.

Hungry creators, comic or novel, tend to make good targets for con men.

Today, RWA has over 9,000 members and a list of approved publishers. They also have numerous email loops to provide information on agents and publishers, and sometimes will go to bat when agents or publishing companies start changing contracts for their benefit, such as asking for lifetime copyright.

Couple of recent examples:

1. The William Morris Agency, among others, wanted full lifetime rights to a piece of work, even if that book eventually went out of print and was resold to get back into print by another agent.)

2. Harlequin/Silhouette has boiler-plate contracts that usually can't be altered. Until recently, they also retained the right to a pen name they insisted be used for books published by them. This meant a writer could become known by one name but when they left HQ for another publisher, they had to start over again with no name recognition. Largely because of pressure from RWA, this is no longer the norm.

The catch to this is that it requires a TON of volunteer time and effort, and funds. (My RWA dues are $75 per year.) And, of course, it didn't happen overnight. And there's the backroom infighting that tends to characterize larger organization, though it doesn't usually affect individual members.

My advice (which people are free to discard <g>) would be to come out with small, relatively easy to achieve goals at first for this new organization, like the suggested web page that lists publishers known to have trouble paying their bills. A second thing might be a list of indie -friendly direct market stores, with store owners willing to work with self-publishers. And then there's the getting together to pool funds to have tables at cons....

Some of which might already be done. If so, then you need someone to maintain the sites, and someone to publicize that they're there. And that might be a big time committment there too.

[Wil Radcliffe]

As I've mentioned elsewhere, it's like lifting a rock and seeing something writhing underneath it that you feel so sick to behold that you can't help but smash it with the rock it once lived beneath.


Man, that line is just... PERFECT!

[EdContradictory]

I thought he pays the alleged lawyer?

or are you speaking or people you actually met and can confirm the existence of?

Given that no one has been contacted, particularly Ronee after the publication of her column, I think it's safe to assume there is no lawyer.

Besides, only important people have lawyers.

[KevinTBrown]

exactly.

and I need to say more for that damn 10 character rule....

A way around the "10 character" rule:

Exactly...
:)

[Kurt Busiek]

I think the main thing that Tony, Kurt, Mark and I have in common is that we all know the original source of my earlier "Baldo Smudge" reference...

Plus, we know who Cornelius Coot is, to boot.

kdb

[Typo Lad]

Thank you for that clarification.

Corrina - fascinating info.

[Gail Simone]

Plus, we know who Cornelius Coot is, to boot.

kdb

I don't.

Gail

[Mark Waid]

Kurt Busiek, Duckburg's biggest name-dropper.

[AIPman1]

AIP, that link isn't loading for me.

Try again, we've started having that "hanging" problem they're having here on and off...not accusing, but CURIOUS...might have to look into it further if it keeps up.

http://www.dimestoreproductions.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,137/topic,2323.0/

[TCJohnson]

I thought he pays the alleged lawyer?

or are you speaking or people you actually met and can confirm the existence of?

You are assuming this lawyer actually exists.

[Coppervale Studio]

Wow, Misty and Larry And Kadymae and Ralph.

Dang, wish I was in Vegas.

Gail

Naw, Eastern Arizona. But Kath had posted a link to this thread, and she and I frequently comment on each other's journals. And she and Ralph are both excellent Human Beings.

Larry and Misty had nothing but sugar to say about you, Gail.

[TomStillwell]

I don't.

Gail

Tsk tsk. Token.

[MacQuarrie]

Nope. Nice try though. Have a nice life. :rolleyes:

How do you expect her to sign the papers if you refuse to send them to her?

[Typo Lad]

Plus, we know who Cornelius Coot is, to boot.

People don't know who that is?

You are assuming this lawyer actually exists.

I did say "alleged".

[Gail Simone]

no. not that I know of has ANYONE employed by him been paid. NONE

Figures.

Gail

[SUPERECWFAN1]

How do you expect her to sign the papers if you refuse to send them to her?

Maybe he wants her to beg for them ? BEG FOR THE NDA...BEG DAMN IT!! ;)

[TCJohnson]

How do you expect her to sign the papers if you refuse to send them to her?

Even if she did sign the papers he was not going to pay her, and now he can use the highly successful "nanna nanna poo-poo" defense in couer.

[Ronée]

How do you expect her to sign the papers if you refuse to send them to her?he doesnt want to give this "lawyer"'s name. No matter, I have a listing of every newspaper and television station in his area.. if enough creditors speak up fireworks will ensue. :D

(now it is my turn to use the creepy smiley trick):rolleyes:

[Gail Simone]

Kurt Busiek, Duckburg's biggest name-dropper.

I just want to remind everyone that sitting between you and Kurt at the Portland convention while you guys talked about obscure comics was FREAKISH and CREEPY.

:)

Gail, token

[KevinTBrown]

no. not that I know of has ANYONE employed by him been paid. NONE

Hmmmm, perhaps in his mind (and yes I am being serious) they weren't employed by him, just merely working for him. Hence the reason he feels he owes them nothing.

[Matt Algren]

. . . it would allow the tone of this thread to soften and for everyone to address the issue of how to either get his contributors paid and/or see Rick Olney legally punished, rather than reacting to his unbelievably hostile outbursts.
Which brings up an interesting question. How many of the aggrieved have actually done what Mr. Busiek suggested a couple hundred pages ago and sent "Mr. Olney" a letter notifying him of reclamation of their work due to nonpayment?

[Solaris]

In the spirit of this, I wonder if it's a good idea to get the local news involved. Sure, getting Olney for his non-payment is a great idea and I support all the legal action and getting the word out in the comics community but the local news team is just going to make him a local celebrity of sorts and the negative stuff is going to backlash on his family.

Of course, the flip side is that he may have scammed someone local, which I suppose is also a consideration.

That's a legitimate concern... but honestly, I think it IS a case of honesty. If my spouse or relative were involved in stealing from people via their business, I'd want to know. I myself would be repulsed to learn that his part of our income derives from this kind of stuff... though if I was really in love with him, I might support him in the face of it all until I saw enough evidence with my own eyes to believe it. That's normal and natural.

There's the consideration that the locals may try to tar his family with the same brush... but there are ways that the other family members can counter that if they choose to do so.

As to the potential that locals may well have been taken by him, I think it's quite possible, and certainly a good reason to pursue contacting local news business reporters. Another is that it's just the right thing to do---provide information to other sources for outside investigations to occur.

Bottom line is, it ought to be done. I know it may cause some trouble for his family members... but that's true of every lawbreaker out there. No one wants to find out that their relative has done bad things and broken the law... but in order to stop it from happening, the truth has to come out.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Even if she did sign the papers he was not going to pay her, and now he can use the highly successful "nanna nanna poo-poo" defense in couer.

I believe you asked him way...way...way back in this thread that if he intended to pay Ronee if she signed the NDA. His words was if the Lawyer agreed to it.

[PatrickG]

Kurt Busiek, Duckburg's biggest name-dropper.

Ha! As soon as I leave the thread, you guys break out the Uncle Scrooge references. No fair.

This whole affair does remind me of the time Scrooge McDuck found the deed that enabled him to declare his money bin a sovereign nation in order to avoid paying taxes.

The difference being, Scrooge McDuck wasn't an asshat on a message board.

[MacQuarrie]

Well, to be fair, Jim didn't do that because he somehow thought he could get away with it here because everyone is piling on Rick Olney. We know that Jim is possibly the sweetest gentleman that anyone could ever want to know. Jim is such a decent guy that it WAS surprising...but when Olney's tossing irrelavant insult-grenades in every direction, it's kinda understandable. At his core, everything about Olney is offensive to a normal person, and I'd venture to say that, even taking his sociopathy into account, most of us have never dealt with someone who's achieved such a level of repulsiveness. As I've mentioned elsewhere, it's like lifting a rock and seeing something writhing underneath it that you feel so sick to behold that you can't help but smash it with the rock it once lived beneath.

The fact that Olney could push Jim's buttons to get him into such a froth speaks much more about how Olney may be a sociopath, but in a schoolyard bully sorta way, he really knows how to manipulate people. In fact, that seems to be his specialty.

That's why I'd like to see Olney banned; it would allow the tone of this thread to soften and for everyone to address the issue of how to either get his contributors paid and/or see Rick Olney legally punished, rather than reacting to his unbelievably hostile outbursts.

Although...if Gail has the sort of surprise in store for Olney that she's alluded to, it'd be rather compelling to witness his mega-meltdown. After what we've already seen, it'll be like a scene outta CARRIE, or maybe SCANNERS.

Aloha,

Scott!
Seriously, I haven't had a physical altercation since my brother moved out when I was in high school, and I haven't ever had the desire for one until now. I never understood people who enjoy fighting, never got the appeal of it. I can't even process the idea of wanting to watch boxing or football. Seeing people hurt each other makes me a little queasy. I cringe at cartoon violence.

And yet.

I found myself sitting here thinking how satisfying it would be to feel Olney's teeth breaking loose from his jaw under my knuckles, imagining the pleasure I'd feel at kicking him in the groin and then stomping on his hands as he laid whimpering on the floor, the sheer joy of answering "no" as he begged for mercy. I really wanted to beat him half to death just so I could say it was me that did it.

I've never encountered anyone more deserving of it.

Perhaps the worst thing about Dickless is that he has the capacity to turn people like me into monsters like the one I just described.

One day he'll meet somebody who lacks self-restraint.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

That's a legitimate concern... but honestly, I think it IS a case of honesty. If my spouse or relative were involved in stealing from people via their business, I'd want to know. I myself would be repulsed to learn that his part of our income derives from this kind of stuff... though if I was really in love with him, I might support him in the face of it all until I saw enough evidence with my own eyes to believe it. That's normal and natural.

There's the consideration that the locals may try to tar his family with the same brush... but there are ways that the other family members can counter that if they choose to do so.

As to the potential that locals may well have been taken by him, I think it's quite possible, and certainly a good reason to pursue contacting local news business reporters. Another is that it's just the right thing to do---provide information to other sources for outside investigations to occur.

Bottom line is, it ought to be done. I know it may cause some trouble for his family members... but that's true of every lawbreaker out there. No one wants to find out that their relative has done bad things and broken the law... but in order to stop it from happening, the truth has to come out.


If they need a newscaster or TV Reporter , get that guy who investigated claims a guy was , slappin the monkey in the library. He even went to the guys home and asked the parents why his kid would do that in a public library. ( we had it on the community board )

That guy would be all over this.

[Typo Lad]

ECW - Carl Monday is local, and not in that area.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Seriously, I haven't had a physical altercation since my brother moved out when I was in high school, and I haven't ever had the desire for one until now. I never understood people who enjoy fighting, never got the appeal of it. I can't even process the idea of wanting to watch boxing or football. Seeing people hurt each other makes me a little queasy. I cringe at cartoon violence.

Its a rush. I've had few fights myself but you feel this adrieline rush hit you. I'm not a big guy and pretty easy going but man...if my buttons get pushed I can go off. My close friends have really never seen me fight except once or twice and they got a kick out of it.

But if you do plan to go wild on someone MacQuarrie watch the following clips. Tables , Ladders and Chairs ....Ohh My !! : Mick Foley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6JrwpSLxtw

And yet.

I found myself sitting here thinking how satisfying it would be to feel Olney's teeth breaking loose from his jaw under my knuckles, imagining the pleasure I'd feel at kicking him in the groin and then stomping on his hands as he laid whimpering on the floor, the sheer joy of answering "no" as he begged for mercy. I really wanted to beat him half to death just so I could say it was me that did it.

I've never encountered anyone more deserving of it.

Your human...at some point , someone , somewhere will push the buttons on us. You can't stop it. I can't stop it. He was good at pushing buttons as 20+ pages of insults show.

Perhaps the worst thing about Dickless is that he has the capacity to turn people like me into monsters like the one I just described.

One day he'll meet somebody who lacks self-restraint.

Which sadly will and could happen. But again your human , I'm human ; I've done things I ain't proud of online and off. But ya gotta learn from it and move on.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

ECW - Carl Monday is local, and not in that area.

DDDaaaaaammmnnnn..


Thats the guy ? I wish he was in that area. Imagine the expose he could do and how funny it will be. Its a darn shame he isn't in Mohawk .

[Kurt Busiek]

I don't.

That's because you're one of those young creators we're keeping out of the business.

kdb

[Kurt Busiek]

Kurt Busiek, Duckburg's biggest name-dropper.

Quackmore Duck! Hortense McDuck! 176-716!

kdb

[KevinTBrown]

Sheesh, now this thread is really turning fowl.....

[Kurt Busiek]

I just want to remind everyone that sitting between you and Kurt at the Portland convention while you guys talked about obscure comics was FREAKISH and CREEPY.

But -- but -- Donuts!

kdb

PS: Plus, you mean "EERIE," not FREAKISH. Unless you're referring to the short-lived M.F. Enterprises anthology FREAKISH FABLES, that is...

[Typo Lad]

No.

"doughnuts".

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Seriously, I haven't had a physical altercation since my brother moved out when I was in high school, and I haven't ever had the desire for one until now. I never understood people who enjoy fighting, never got the appeal of it. I can't even process the idea of wanting to watch boxing or football. Seeing people hurt each other makes me a little queasy. I cringe at cartoon violence.

And yet.

I found myself sitting here thinking how satisfying it would be to feel Olney's teeth breaking loose from his jaw under my knuckles, imagining the pleasure I'd feel at kicking him in the groin and then stomping on his hands as he laid whimpering on the floor, the sheer joy of answering "no" as he begged for mercy. I really wanted to beat him half to death just so I could say it was me that did it.

I've never encountered anyone more deserving of it.

Perhaps the worst thing about Dickless is that he has the capacity to turn people like me into monsters like the one I just described.

One day he'll meet somebody who lacks self-restraint.

Unfortunately that is his game. Guys like him have enough charisma and just enough ability to get under your skin to make those thoughts feel satisfying. Guys like Rick are control freaks. They are megalomaniacs who take pleasure in destroying and shaping lives in some kind of twisted ideal they've concocted in their heads. They are the horseleeches who always cry give give and ignore what damage and harm they do in the name of whatever good or justification they can find. They revel in attention and their own self importance. That is their real goal. And they succeed if you let them.

My own experience has taught me that reason doesn't work. Nor will insults or anything along those lines. The truth and constant confrontation with it will be the only way to make this guy run and hide. And when legal papers are served...that's the best course of action. You know he's full of shit and no matter what you point out to him he will not change his tune.

Serve him his papers and walk away. Confront him with the truth and some action. That is honestly the most damaging thing you can do to this guy. The zingers are cute, but it's better to actually make him pay where it hurts. If he has no money, then he'll in all likelihood end up in jail or bankruptcy and you've done all you can. Finally, blacklist him from as many places.

I'm asking my admin at comicbloc to run a story on this. Because I hate the thought of this guy preying on someone else. Someone like me who wants to get into the business in some form or fashion. And I can't stand the thought of it.

But remember Proverbs 26:4 and 5. They both fit this guy to a T.

JP

[KevinTBrown]

But -- but -- Donuts!

kdb

http://www.lifeisajoke.com/simpsons/magnets/donuts.bmp

[Wil Radcliffe]

DDDaaaaaammmnnnn..


Thats the guy ? I wish he was in that area. Imagine the expose he could do and how funny it will be. Its a darn shame he isn't in Mohawk .

If only Steve Carell was still with The Daily Show!

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

http://www.lifeisajoke.com/simpsons/magnets/donuts.bmp

Donuts are like duct tape, only sweet and tasty.

JP

[Kurt Busiek]

No.

"doughnuts".

You're quite right, sir. If they were the good stuff, from Dunkin, they're Donuts.

These were just Krispy Kremes, the inferior Suth'n upstart.

[heystacy]

You're quite right, sir. If they were the good stuff, from Dunkin, they're Donuts.

These were just Krispy Kremes, the inferior Suth'n upstart.

Sir, that remark hurts. :(

There's no Dunkin near me. I miss them.

[Typo Lad]

You're quite right, sir. If they were the good stuff, from Dunkin, they're Donuts.

These were just Krispy Kremes, the inferior Suth'n upstart.
You like Dunkin' better?

I knew there was a reason I liked you.

If I make it to NYCC and you're there, I'm bringing Kosher Dunkin.

[Solaris]

You're quite right, sir. If they were the good stuff, from Dunkin, they're Donuts.

These were just Krispy Kremes, the inferior Suth'n upstart.

Hey, Yankee---'em air's FIGHTIN' words!

:D

Obviously, you've never had Krispy Kreme glazed donuts fresh off the conveyer rack, still hot and steaming and sticky sweet. I have yet to see Dunkin' Donuts offer a hot ANYTHING.

Argh. Now I'm hungry, having skipped breakfast in the interest of my current diet.

You FIEND!

;)

[Kurt Busiek]

Sir, that remark hurts. :(

There's no Dunkin near me. I miss them.

Same here. All I get are the ads, when I watch Red Sox games on the out-of-town-game cable package thingie.

kdb

[Typo Lad]

Solaris,

Krispy Kremes are just.. wrong. They don't dunk properly. A good doughnut should be slightly cakey and moist. Krispy's glazes have far too high a sugar content. The whole thing is like eating slightly heavy cotton candy.

[KevinTBrown]

Same here. All I get are the ads, when I watch Red Sox games on the out-of-town-game cable package thingie.

kdb

If you come to Chicago Con, I'll get you a dozen or so.... I promise.

[Kurt Busiek]

Obviously, you've never had Krispy Kreme glazed donuts fresh off the conveyer rack, still hot and steaming and sticky sweet.

I have, in fact. My kids like to watch the conveyor belt.

Fresh, hot Krispy Kremes aren't bad. But by the time you get the box home, they've cooled down and that weird chemical undertaste is more pronounced.

While a glazed chocolate cake-style Dunkin is great at any temperature.

kdb

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Hey, Yankee---'em air's FIGHTIN' words!

:D

Obviously, you've never had Krispy Kreme glazed donuts fresh off the conveyer rack, still hot and steaming and sticky sweet. I have yet to see Dunkin' Donuts offer a hot ANYTHING.

Argh. Now I'm hungry, having skipped breakfast in the interest of my current diet.

You FIEND!

;)


SHE SPEAKETH THY TRUTH ! Krispy Kremes THEN , Krispy Kremes NOW , Krispy Kremes FOREVER !! :D

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Solaris,

Krispy Kremes are just.. wrong. They don't dunk properly. A good doughnut should be slightly cakey and moist. Krispy's glazes have far too high a sugar content. The whole thing is like eating slightly heavy cotton candy.

Now I agree with you...they've cheapened their recipe with cheap byproducts. The originals are THE BEST DOUGHNUTS EVER. Although I'll never eat a half dozen in a sitting again.

JP

[EraserX]

I have, in fact. My kids like to watch the conveyor belt.

Fresh, hot Krispy Kremes aren't bad. But by the time you get the box home, they've cooled down and that weird chemical undertaste is more pronounced.

While a glazed chocolate cake-style Dunkin is great at any temperature.

kdb

Hey, this is totally unrelated, but I just read Marvels for the first time last week and wanted to say that it was thoroughly amazing. Yeah...I know I'm a little bit behind.

[Typo Lad]

Now I agree with you...they've cheapened their recipe with cheap byproducts. The originals are THE BEST DOUGHNUTS EVER. Although I'll never eat a half dozen in a sitting again.

JP
The best doughnuts are the ones you make at home.

Ah the memories.

Failing that, Dunkin.

Krispy isn't even in third palce. I'd rather eat Entements.

[Kurt Busiek]

If I make it to NYCC and you're there, I'm bringing Kosher Dunkin.

If you come to Chicago Con, I'll get you a dozen or so.... I promise.

Alas, I won't be at either place -- and rarely eat donuts any more anyway...

But thanks for the thought. Have a butternut in my name!

kdb

[Typo Lad]

While a glazed chocolate cake-style Dunkin is great at any temperature.


I'm partial to the Boston Creme Dunkins, myself.

As opposed to Krispy's, where it tastes like... vileness.

[kadymae]

I'd like to take a moment to get everyone's attention. Tony and others made mention of a need for creators yesterday, a CBLDF/BBB as a protective layer, or place to focus to provide info and checking on other companies. I expressed that the SPA would be interested in helping there.



Colleen Doran has also repeatedly mentioned (and linked) that Artists Guild. There might not be a need to re-invent the wheel. Or perhaps you can form an organization that's a formal affliate of them.

[jesshickman]

While a glazed chocolate cake-style Dunkin is great at any temperature.

kdb

Sir, not only are you a great writer, but you also have great taste, too!
:)
Too bad you won't be at Chicago Con this year. Would have loved to have met you.

[heystacy]

Same here. All I get are the ads, when I watch Red Sox games on the out-of-town-game cable package thingie.

kdb

That's a mean tease. I miss them. At least in Charleton, SC there is a Dunkin. I hadn't had their donuts in a long time. I nearly forgotten the taste.

[TomStillwell]

I'm partial to the Boston Creme Dunkins, myself.

As opposed to Krispy's, where it tastes like... vileness.

Another reason to like you, sir.

I'm also fond of the blueberry glazed cake donut. It's like the buttermilk but with blueberries.

[Kurt Busiek]

Hey, this is totally unrelated, but I just read Marvels for the first time last week and wanted to say that it was thoroughly amazing.

Thanks!

I'm partial to the Boston Creme Dunkins, myself.

I'm not a Boston Creme anything fan. Custards in general, naah.

kdb

[TonyIsabella]

New TONY POLLS questions have been posted...and they might be of inetrest to readers of this thread!

This week, we ask you to vote on the CCLOF (What's that? Go to the polls page to find out!)...a comics industry version of the Better Business Bureau...supporting crooked publishers...and, once again, which comics or comics-related company entertained you the most in 2006 (with the winner of last week's vote removed from the list of choices).

You can cast your votes here:

http://www.worldfamouscomics.com/tony/poll

[Typo Lad]

I'm torn.

Tom likes Boston Cremes, but Mr. Busiek doesn't.

Oh well. I;m going to go drool over Apple's iPhone.

I wish Steve'd tell us the PRICE.

[TCJohnson]

Obviously, you've never had Krispy Kreme glazed donuts fresh off the conveyer rack, still hot and steaming and sticky sweet. I have yet to see Dunkin' Donuts offer a hot ANYTHING.


God, the thought of that makes me feel sick.

There is a krispy kreme across from my old apartment building, and you couldn't open a window or walk outside without smelling it all the time. Just way way too much of a good thing.

I have sworn off doughnuts forever and the smell of a krispy kreme makes me sick now.

[Matt Algren]

. . . far too high a sugar content.I know those words are English, but that doesn't make any sense.

[Art Grafunkel]

Sir, not only are you a great writer, but you also have great taste, too!
:)

Ladies and gentlemen: the dee-lovelee MISS JESSICA HICKMAN!!! :D




(Pssst... Buy the excellent Four Stories now -> http://www.chrisarrant.com/ Quint'll thank you for it!)

[Gail Simone]

Hey, this is totally unrelated, but I just read Marvels for the first time last week and wanted to say that it was thoroughly amazing. Yeah...I know I'm a little bit behind.

I've lost the plot here...did Krispy Kremes betray all its close friends and cheat them and then threaten to sue the donut holes?

Or did I dream it?

Gail

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm torn.

Tom likes Boston Cremes, but Mr. Busiek doesn't.

Oh well. I;m going to go drool over Apple's iPhone.

I wish Steve'd tell us the PRICE.

The iPhone ? God I'd hate to imagine the price on that. I saw one of those iPod thingies in the Mall during X-Mas and I couldn't believe that it cost $ 300 bucks.

[KevinTBrown]

Alas, I won't be at either place -- and rarely eat donuts any more anyway...

But thanks for the thought. Have a butternut in my name!

kdb

Then you suck. I'm going to sue you.

:p






Ok, seriously, damn shame you can't show.... :(

[kadymae]

[QUOTE=Puma;4215654]

I know Puma and she really knows what she's talking about. Her speaker, ATLANTIS FANTASYWORLD's Joe Ferrara, is like the Bizarro-Olney, squared.

Aloha,

Scott!

You are incorrect, Scott. Joe Ferrara is not Bizarro-Olney squared. He's Bizarro-Olney cubed.

[KevinTBrown]

I found a place we can go to get rid of Olney. Check out the fourth panel:

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ink/2007/ink070109.gif

[Typo Lad]

The iPhone ? God I'd hate to imagine the price on that. I saw one of those iPod thingies in the Mall during X-Mas and I couldn't believe that it cost $ 300 bucks.

it's worth it.

I've lost the plot here...did Krispy Kremes betray all its close friends and cheat them and then threaten to sue the donut holes?

Or did I dream it?

I hang my head in shame.

And everyone one knows Krispie never had any friends to start with

[EraserX]

I've lost the plot here...did Krispy Kremes betray all its close friends and cheat them and then threaten to sue the donut holes?

Or did I dream it?

Gail

LOL...I lost track of the plot when I start fanboying out.

[Daneault]

I've lost the plot here...did Krispy Kremes betray all its close friends and cheat them and then threaten to sue the donut holes?

Or did I dream it?

Gail

actually, sorta....
http://www.cfo.com/printable/article.cfm/4007436?f=options;)

[neko onna]

The iPhone ? God I'd hate to imagine the price on that. I saw one of those iPod thingies in the Mall during X-Mas and I couldn't believe that it cost $ 300 bucks.

I just saw it on the news..it looks pretty sweet..the screen fills the whole face of the gadget...they think Cincular is the partner in it.

oh and the donut talk is really making me hungry..and I have no car to go and get them..SO STOP IT!!!

[Gail Simone]

Man, is this story spreading. It's all over. If you google 'Rick Olney,' the vast majority of stuff that comes up is about what a deadbeat he is.

Colleen Doran, brilliant as ever, has a nice piece about it:

http://adistantsoil.com/blog/?p=967

Hope it's okay to link, Colleen.

Gail

[TomWaltz]

Thanks, Tom.

But what fight?

It's the whole world against one idiot saying, "Nuh uh! I am TOO an awesome dood!" over and over.

Gail

'Tis true, 'tis true about the "dood" thing.

But the fight I mean is the one where established professionals such as yourself, Busiek, Waid, et al, kindly use your celebrity to draw attention to this situation and, in the process, empower the lesser-established creators who have also been shafted by this guy to stand up for themselves. That, to me, is a good fight, even if the enemy is sorely outnumbered.

And, speaking of the enemy, I'm an old Marine, so I'm saddened to see another old Marine behaving the way he has been. Not making good on his financial obligations is one thing, but some of the personal attacks he's engaged in are just downright dispicable, most notably those against the women on this board, including yourself. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I hate to see that kind of abusive conduct by men against women. I know the ladies on this site are more than capable of standing up for themselves, but that doesn't change the fact that it truly bothers me. Real Marines are tough bastards, yeah, but they are gentlemen, too.

So, yeah, there's a good fight going on here, even if there is no doubt about who will ultimately win. My main hope, however, is that good side will strive, whenever possible, to take the high road and not stoop to the bad side's lowliness. Angry reactions to his personal attacks are exactly what he is hoping for -- it's a twisted form of attention he is seeking. Ignoring him is our best weapon. I say take him to court, sue his hiney, then forget about him.

Again, just my two cents. As for me, I just dig hanging out with the awesome Gail Simone, even if it is only electronically. :)

Best to you all,

Tom Waltz

[AIPman1]

Colleen Doran has also repeatedly mentioned (and linked) that Artists Guild. There might not be a need to re-invent the wheel. Or perhaps you can form an organization that's a formal affliate of them.

Finally, someone not talking about doughnuts.

Anyway, Well, as I stated, we would integrate services with other organizations that perform parts of the overall need as much as possible. We specifically DON'T want to re-invent the wheel. The SPA has been around since 2001, and we've worked hard to build it as a learning/teaching organization, and a one-stop how-to. So our action would be building on resources we already have, and integrating with others to get information more easily at everyone's fingertips.

I invite you to: http://www.dimestoreproductions.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,137/topic,2323.0/

to post on this topic further, away from the hoopla of this thread, where we can calmly get things in place that need to be in place.

We are in-progress launching the new version of Self Publisher! Magazine, and this year's Small Press Idol contest, so we beleive we will be able to present the information in a way that people will want to know more about it, and away from any mention of Rick Olney, so we can do real good with it.

[KevinTBrown]

Man, is this story spreading. It's all over. If you google 'Rick Olney,' the vast majority of stuff that comes up is about what a deadbeat he is.

Colleen Doran, brilliant as ever, has a nice piece about it:

http://adistantsoil.com/blog/?p=967

Hope it's okay to link, Colleen.

Gail

Heh.

How frikkin' funny is it that the women in this thread (Gail, Colleen, Momma Absurd, Ronee et al) have much bigger "brass ones" than Olney. :D

[neko onna]

double post..sorry

[Ronée]

Heh.

How frikkin' funny is it that the women in this thread (Gail, Colleen, Momma Absurd, Ronee et al) have much bigger "brass ones" than Olney. :D

Explains why he hates us chicks... lol

[Gail Simone]

Explains why he hates us chicks... lol

He's had a woman-hating pattern for a long time. When Johanna and Heidi talked about his propensity to cancel conventions, his response was very rich with anti-female sentiment. But as bad as what he's said to the rest of us is, his bile-stained comments to Joanne, one of the sweetest and nicest people I've ever met (and a huge talent, as well), shows clearly that the guy hates women.

More parts of his freakish lack of control, I'd say.

Gail

[Solaris]

Solaris,

Krispy Kremes are just.. wrong. They don't dunk properly. A good doughnut should be slightly cakey and moist. Krispy's glazes have far too high a sugar content. The whole thing is like eating slightly heavy cotton candy.

Well... yeah! I love cotton candy! :D ;)

[Wil Radcliffe]

He's had a woman-hating pattern for a long time. When Johanna and Heidi talked about his propensity to cancel conventions, his response was very rich with anti-female sentiment. But as bad as what he's said to the rest of us is, his bile-stained comments to Joanne, one of the sweetest and nicest people I've ever met (and a huge talent, as well), shows clearly that the guy hates women.

More parts of his freakish lack of control, I'd say.

Gail


Personally, I think it's not so much women that he hates as much as it is people who speak common sense. The women in this particular thread just happen to be doing that, thus they've experienced the brunt of his attacks.

[KevinTBrown]

Personally, I think it's not so much women that he hates as much as it is people who speak common sense. The women in this particular thread just happen to be doing that, thus they've experienced the brunt of his attacks.

Not just common sense, but they're HIGHLY intelligent and able to spell properly as well.

Hmmmm, he's 0 fer 3 there.... :o








Edited to add: Yes, I fully intended to write it as "fer"..... (because I know Olney will attempt some lame ass comment about it).

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Explains why he hates us chicks... lol

He just wants you , chicks , spots is all. Your holdin him back. :p

[Wil Radcliffe]

Not just common sense, but they're HIGHLY intelligent and able to spell properly as well.

Hmmmm, he's 0 fer 3 there.... :o



Yes, they are intelligent as well. And I wish I could spell. :(

[Smileybonex]

Alas, I won't be at either place -- and rarely eat donuts any more anyway...

But thanks for the thought. Have a butternut in my name!

kdb

Hopefully I will see you at the Bristol Expo in the UK in May...I know they arent as salubrious as the Krispy Kreme and Dunkin donuts, but the ones from our supermarket bakeries, out of the ovens and sugar coated with a generous dollop of jam in their centre are perfect with a hot coffee... I'll be stood behind the signing table organising the queues, so bellow at me if I forget them...

[Howler]

Reek has a very long history of non payment. In his own words.

"Well, back in 1971-73... I loved Asian women in Viet Nam, Japan, Korea, Okinawa, and the PI.

Didn't catch anything. Didn't want anything. Made lots of acquaintances...and only had to pay about 1/3rd of them."

Also for those looking into his alleged military background, he has stated he was stationed on several different bases in North Carolina in the early 70's and in Norfolk, Virginia in 1974. His stated birthdate is June 27, 1953 if that helps your searches.

Now I'm going to go buy the best doughnut ever made, a Dutchie from Tim Horton's and maybe a few double chocolate Timbits for later.

[TCJohnson]

Not just common sense, but they're HIGHLY intelligent and able to spell properly as well.[/I]

Yeah, well, he also goes after semi-intelligent people as well as complete morons with the IQ of a blunt knife. Basically, anybody smarter than him.

But he reminds me of myself when I got into name calling when I was 7. No seriously. I would call somebody gay, or with women I would make fun of the fact they were women and make gross comments...only because at that all I had is going for the cheap shot and I realy didn't understand how hurtful things like that could be.

[Blake Petit]

Heh.

How frikkin' funny is it that the women in this thread (Gail, Colleen, Momma Absurd, Ronee et al) have much bigger "brass ones" than Olney. :D

If you'd known Ronee as long as I have, you wouldn't be surprised by that one in the least. ;)

[MacQuarrie]

Thanks, Ray. I recall you from MegaCon and via Koop. Hmm... grumbling national comics dealers? Hmmm... curious. I'm only buying presently from two, and I didn't think they came here. lol
Only two will do business with you? What's the matter, did they want to be paid?

[Gail Simone]

Reek has a very long history of non payment. In his own words.

"Well, back in 1971-73... I loved Asian women in Viet Nam, Japan, Korea, Okinawa, and the PI.

Didn't catch anything. Didn't want anything. Made lots of acquaintances...and only had to pay about 1/3rd of them."

Also for those looking into his alleged military background, he has stated he was stationed on several different bases in North Carolina in the early 70's and in Norfolk, Virginia in 1974. His stated birthdate is June 27, 1953 if that helps your searches.

Now I'm going to go buy the best doughnut ever made, a Dutchie from Tim Horton's and maybe a few double chocolate Timbits for later.



First, ew. That's disgusting, but boy does that fit Reeky Rick's behavior.

Second, thanks for the info, and...

Third, Tim Horton's sucks. I'm sorry, but they are awful donuts and they can't even make a proper cup of tea.

I'm sorry. So very sorry. ;)

Gail

[Sarah Beach]

I've lost the plot here...did Krispy Kremes betray all its close friends and cheat them and then threaten to sue the donut holes?

Or did I dream it?

Gail

Yes. And it became a case of the Krispy Kremers support team taking up arms (or was that taking up donuts?) against the Dunkin' Donuters.

I think everyone is in a punch-drunk lull. Waiting. You promised us interesting information, we are waiting.

:) (Not afraid to use smilies. Loved them before Himself. Love them now.)

[MacQuarrie]

YThanks again for the advice, Mr. Rivard! I'll probably take it. This thread looks to be a record for CBR not to be soon broken. You kids play nice while my back is turned!

The record for "most spectacular mental breakdown by a lying deadbeat asshole with serious sexual-identity anxiety" goes to "Dick."

[Kozemp]

Solaris,

Krispy Kremes are just.. wrong. They don't dunk properly. A good doughnut should be slightly cakey and moist. Krispy's glazes have far too high a sugar content. The whole thing is like eating slightly heavy cotton candy.

You, sir, have finally summed up in a precise way why I hate Krispy Kreme, and why Dunkin Donuts have been, are now, and forever will be superior.

KK made an abortive attempt to enter the market here in Philly - suffice it to say DD gave them the donut-bitch-slapping they deserved and the glazed bastards ran with their tail between their glazed legs.

JLK
who could really go for a DD chocolate frosted right now

[Sarah Beach]

Oh, and I wanted to say, long ago.... This morning, when I checked in here before heading off to work, and read Mark Waid's lovely post on page 260, I wanted to stand up and cheer! It brought tears to my eyes.

Impressive humanity! I hope Mark gets standing ovations at every con he appears at this year. He is a credit to the profession. And an inspiration.

[I_am_scifi]

That article reminded me of the famous Bobby Knight line:

"When my time on Earth is gone, and my activities here have passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so the critics can kiss my ass!"

[TCJohnson]

He is a credit to the profession.


Forget being a credit to his profession (needs to bring back some characters to do that ;). He is a credit to the entire human race. You will always have people like Rick Olney showing how low people can go, but there will always be people to inspire us to go higher.


Which I know sounds increadibly lame, but had to say it.

[Daneault]

I agree. I was serious about that drink, Mark. Just come down to Phoenix, I'll even talk to the Comicon about bringing you out! :D

[Solaris]

I've lost the plot here...did Krispy Kremes betray all its close friends and cheat them and then threaten to sue the donut holes?

Or did I dream it?

Gail

Sorry for the derailment, Gail. I guess donuts are just sweeter and more interesting than Olney.

Then again, so are sharks.

:D ;)

[KevinTBrown]

Sorry for the derailment, Gail. I guess donuts are just sweeter and more interesting than Olney.

Then again, so are sharks.

:D ;)

Yeah, but donuts and Olney are quite a bit alike.

One is round, doughy and has a hole; the other you can dunk in coffee.

:D

[Gail Simone]

Sorry for the derailment, Gail. I guess donuts are just sweeter and more interesting than Olney.

Then again, so are sharks.

:D ;)

No, I was kidding. I'm happy to see normal people laughing about normal things here less than a day after the moral midget left.

Gail

[Solaris]

Yeah, but donuts and Olney are quite a bit alike.

One is round, doughy and has a hole; the other you can dunk in coffee.

:D

I am SO glad I didn't have a mouthful of coffee when I read that---I think I would've choked! :D

No, I was kidding. I'm happy to see normal people laughing about normal things here less than a day after the moral midget left.

Gail

Ohhhh, gotcha! :)

[Howler]

First, ew. That's disgusting, but boy does that fit Reeky Rick's behavior.

Second, thanks for the info, and...

Third, Tim Horton's sucks. I'm sorry, but they are awful donuts and they can't even make a proper cup of tea.

I'm sorry. So very sorry. ;)

Gail

Agreed to the first, no problem for the second.

As to the third, you can insult my mother, you can belittle my job but saying Tim Horton's sucks is fighting words! Though I will say a Tim Horton's doughnut more than an hour old makes my stomach as queazy as reading Reek's posts to get us back on topic :)

[Dreadstar]

A...Though I will say a Tim Horton's doughnut more than an hour old makes my stomach as queazy as reading Reek's posts to get us back on topic :)


It doesn't matter. The coffee fixes everything.

[MacQuarrie]

That guy right there?

That's my friend Mark Waid.

Goddamn, made of ROCK.

Gail

Seriously, Gail, you have to introduce me to Mark at San Diego. And Mark, when she does, you have to let me buy you lunch. Or drinks. Or at least let me go all fanboy and tell you how much I admire and respect you.

[Joshua Pantalleresco]

Agreed to the first, no problem for the second.

As to the third, you can insult my mother, you can belittle my job but saying Tim Horton's sucks is fighting words! Though I will say a Tim Horton's doughnut more than an hour old makes my stomach as queazy as reading Reek's posts to get us back on topic :)

Gail's Right. Tim Hortons does suck. I've worked there three times...I know.

JP

[Solaris]

Ronee, I just had the privilege of reading your open letter to Rick here (http://www.michaelnetzer.com/wagw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=1&show=1), and I hope you don't mind me posting the link (or reposting, if I missed it somewhere earlier in this massive thread).

I also did a bit of searching around elsewhere on the net, and found more of his mysogyinst comments directed toward females.

It's hard, when you finally realize that the person you've supported and gone to bat for doesn't really give a tinker's damn about you, that he was using you, and that all those people you were dealing with who complained about lack of payment weren't prima donnas, but simply folks telling the truth.

I wish you and everyone he's screwed all the best, and much success in pursuing Olney. Hopefully, you'll all either get him out of the industry, or will spread the word far and wide enough that no one will work for him, because they know they'll get "Olney'd." :D

By the way, this question is to anyone concerned: How is the project coming, in getting creators who've been Olney'd to send him the required legal notice, reclaim their work, and then publish it all in an anthology? I'm interested in picking up a copy, if/when it comes to fruition. One small way of supporting the masses who've been Olney'd... :D

[Erik Burnham]

You, sir, have finally summed up in a precise way why I hate Krispy Kreme, and why Dunkin Donuts have been, are now, and forever will be superior.

KK made an abortive attempt to enter the market here in Philly - suffice it to say DD gave them the donut-bitch-slapping they deserved and the glazed bastards ran with their tail between their glazed legs.

JLK
who could really go for a DD chocolate frosted right now

I don't hate Krispy Kreme. I don't hate Dunkin' Donuts.

They both, however, pale before the majesty of... mine!

Okay, okay. I love the homemade donuts. Sue me.

(Geez, I should be careful about saying those words in this thread of all places, shouldn't I?)

[JTPencils]

Ronee, I'll just ask you straight up.

Are you aware of ANY of the creators getting their full payment as promised during your time as Rick's PR person?

Gail

I know for certain that I was there long before Ronee was involved, and I for one, never got a dime, never mind "full payment".

I'm also familiar with someone else that was involved in this fiasco at the exact same time, and also received nothing in payment, but he's tired of wasting further energy on Olney, and would just like the whole thing to go away.

[EdContradictory]

Holy mackerel...!

Just waiting for some confirmation for something I think you guys will find hilarious.

;)

Gail
Did this get confirmed?

This thread is so crazy I'm afeared I missed something.

[Erik Burnham]

Did this get confirmed?

This thread is so crazy I'm afeared I missed something.

You ain't a kiddin'.

I went for a glass of water and the thread expanded by thirty pages.

I wept openly.

I can't keep up, folks, I'm on DIALUP!

[JTPencils]

I think right now "NDA" for Olney should stand for "No, dumbfuck, answer!"

Nah, for him it's "New Debt Accruing"

[EdContradictory]

You ain't a kiddin'.

I went for a glass of water and the thread expanded by thirty pages.

I wept openly.

I can't keep up, folks, I'm on DIALUP!

*Posts a bunch of pictures in the thread.*

[Solaris]

Oh, I forgot to say this before:

Ronee mentioned that Rick *says* he's Wiccan. I'd like to state, being a Pagan with Wiccan leanings, that his behavior is not only against commonly accepted forms such as the Wiccan Rede and Law of Three, but also in no way represents Wicca in general.

Definitions:

Wiccan Rede: An ye harm none, do as ye will. Clearly his behavior has harmed a lot of people.

Law of Three: Basically, the old "What goes around, comes around," but with the idea that whatever you put out there, good or bad, will eventually return to you in some form at thrice the strength you originated.

As to the latter... Olney is waaay in over his head on that one. Wow.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Holy mackerel...!

Just waiting for some confirmation for something I think you guys will find hilarious.

;)

Gail

Hours pass....what is the word on this?

Is it that pRick has been committed?

[Wil Radcliffe]

Oh, I forgot to say this before:

Ronee mentioned that Rick *says* he's Wiccan. I'd like to state, being a Pagan with Wiccan leanings, that his behavior is not only against commonly accepted forms such as the Wiccan Rede and Law of Three, but also in no way represents Wicca in general.

Definitions:

Wiccan Rede: An ye harm none, do as ye will. Clearly his behavior has harmed a lot of people.

Law of Three: Basically, the old "What goes around, comes around," but with the idea that whatever you put out there, good or bad, will eventually return to you in some form at thrice the strength you originated.

As to the latter... Olney is waaay in over his head on that one. Wow.

Without being flippant or insulting, I have to ask, do you suppose Rick became Wiccan because he thought he might get super powers like Doctor Strange?

By the Hoary Hosts of Hagar! Sign my NDA of Doom or suffer my wizardly wrath!

[Erik Burnham]

*Posts a bunch of pictures in the thread.*

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...
*computer freezes and crashes*

[Matt Algren]

Without being flippant or insulting, I have to ask, do you suppose Rick became Wiccan because he thought he might get super powers like Doctor Strange?

By the Hoary Hosts of Hagar! Sign my NDA of Doom or suffer my wizardly wrath!
The power of three will set us free. The power of three will set us free. The power of thr--um, I mean four--will set us free. . .

[TCJohnson]

Without being flippant or insulting, I have to ask, do you suppose Rick became Wiccan because he thought he might get super powers like Doctor Strange?

By the Hoary Hosts of Hagar! Sign my NDA of Doom or suffer my wizardly wrath!

Probably because there was no strict rules, like thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor.

[Wil Radcliffe]

Probably because there was no strict rules, like thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor.

Nah. Wiccans are cool. They have morals and ethics just like most religions.

Now, Scientology, that's the religion for Rick! Couch jumping and temper tantrums and law suits between meals!

"If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace."

— L. Ron Hubbard
HCOPL 15 Aug 1960
Dept of Govt Affairs

[Sarah Beach]

Oh, I forgot to say this before:

Ronee mentioned that Rick *says* he's Wiccan. I'd like to state, being a Pagan with Wiccan leanings, that his behavior is not only against commonly accepted forms such as the Wiccan Rede and Law of Three, but also in no way represents Wicca in general.

Definitions:

Wiccan Rede: An ye harm none, do as ye will. Clearly his behavior has harmed a lot of people.

Law of Three: Basically, the old "What goes around, comes around," but with the idea that whatever you put out there, good or bad, will eventually return to you in some form at thrice the strength you originated.

As to the latter... Olney is waaay in over his head on that one. Wow.

I'll open by saying I am not Wiccan myself, nor neo-Pagan. But I number such amongst my friends, and I respect the way the practice their beliefs. Hence, I was surprised at his claim.

But I've come to the conclusion that he loves to redefine things around him, to make himself look better. In particular, I don't think he sees failing to pay for anything as "harming" anyone. I think he has decided that "harm" is limited to actual physical distress caused by physical blows.

Thus, by his definition, what "harm" has he done? No one is in the hospital because he hit them!

Of course, his definition is so far from reality that it's about to come whacking at him. As you say, three-fold.

[TCJohnson]

Nah. Wiccans are cool. They have morals and ethics just like most religions.

Now, Scientology, that's the religion for Rick! Couch jumping and temper tantrums and law suits between meals!

"If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace."

— L. Ron Hubbard
HCOPL 15 Aug 1960
Dept of Govt Affairs

I am the same as Solaris, a pagan that took a lot of teachings from wicca. And nowhere is it spelled out that you should not lie specifically. It all comes down to not hurting anybody. Rick obviously does not understand how his actions hurts other, he is incapable of understanding that.

[Solaris]

Without being flippant or insulting, I have to ask, do you suppose Rick became Wiccan because he thought he might get super powers like Doctor Strange?

My Eye of Aggimoto (sp?) says "Nay."

No wait---that's my Magic 8-Ball.

;)

By the Hoary Hosts of Hagar! Sign my NDA of Doom or suffer my wizardly wrath!

Somehow the thought of Olney having Doc's powers reminds me of an episode of "Fairly Odd Parents" I saw the other day (my son was watching it, and I got sucked in), where the looney teacher who's always hunting for faeries actually captures one, and sets himself up as a world dictator. He can wish for anything in the world: Fame, Fortune, Happiness, to be Loved... and he chooses to have people grovel at his feet, and keeps turning them into things like shrimp canapes and ice statues.

There's a lesson in that somewhere.

[Gail Simone]

Hours pass....what is the word on this?

Is it that pRick has been committed?

We're waiting back on an email about something Rick has been saying for ages.

It may take a bit--be patient!

:)

Gail

[TCJohnson]

Thus, by his definition, what "harm" has he done? No one is in the hospital because he hit them!

Of course, his definition is so far from reality that it's about to come whacking at him. As you say, three-fold.


Whooops, beat me to it.

If I understand what a sociopath is, he is unable to emphasize with others. As long as other people's problems don't affect him, he is completely unfeeling towards them. THus his money problems should be everybody's problems, and other people's money problems are of no consequence.

[Wil Radcliffe]

Somehow the thought of Olney having Doc's powers reminds me of an episode of "Fairly Odd Parents" I saw the other day (my son was watching it, and I got sucked in), where the looney teacher who's always hunting for faeries actually captures one, and sets himself up as a world dictator. He can wish for anything in the world: Fame, Fortune, Happiness, to be Loved... and he chooses to have people grovel at his feet, and keeps turning them into things like shrimp canapes and ice statues.

There's a lesson in that somewhere.

*Contorts into bizarre positions as he screeches*

Fairy God Parents!!!

Ah! One of the great things about having kids... an excuse to watch cartoons!

Good ol' Mr. Crocker and his insane tirades! :p

[Jack Zodiac]

SPOON!


HAW HAW HAW

I loves you!

While Forefinger takes the direct approach! ;)

S'why I loves him!

Now Jack, you know I'm saving my man cherry for Didio in order to get a job at DC Comics.

Oh...the porn 'stache...the shaven head...the unlimited power <swoon>

Whore! :(

Gail doesn't drink but I seem to recall that she LOVES orange soda.

ORANGE SODA OR DEATH!

Mornin', everyone. I see that we've not had a drive-by from the Reek since I've been away...

Cully, do a search for your name on the forums. You won an award, sucka'!

I'd just like to point out that immature, nasty jokes don't help anyone get their monies back.

Point, but it helps pass the fifteen minutes between waking up and going to work.

And I'm off! Have fun, kids.

[Solaris]

We're waiting back on an email about something Rick has been saying for ages.

It may take a bit--be patient!

:)

Gail

Ooo ooo! *holds breath, tries not to turn blue*

:D

Still waiting on my reply too, as per the PM I sent you. Will let you know if I hear anything back.

[Howler]

I'll open by saying I am not Wiccan myself, nor neo-Pagan. But I number such amongst my friends, and I respect the way the practice their beliefs. Hence, I was surprised at his claim.
First, thank you for respecting our beliefs :)

I'm a Gardnerian Wiccan, so reading that he calls himself a Pagan gave me a shiver. I did some searching and I've found posts he's made within the last 2 years where he calls himself, "A good Christian" when talking to Christians.

I'm therefore doubtful in what he says and even if he does self identify as a Pagan, he's not a good representative of what we believe. To put it this way, Reek is as much a Pagan as Fred Phelps is a Christian.

[Wil Radcliffe]

I am the same as Solaris, a pagan that took a lot of teachings from wicca. And nowhere is it spelled out that you should not lie specifically. It all comes down to not hurting anybody. Rick obviously does not understand how his actions hurts other, he is incapable of understanding that.

I don't mean to offend, but I'm rather curious. What or whom do pagans actually worship? Is it the Celtic gods? I know the Goddess is mentioned often... like the Triune Goddess of Irish tradition. But isn't the Horned God also worshiped? Are other gods of Irish and Celtic tradition worshiped as well? Or does worship typically lean towards a more general Nature religion similar to the Native American traditions?

Just curious.

[Gail Simone]

I don't mean to offend, but I'm rather curious. What or whom do pagans actually worship? Is it the Celtic gods? I know the Goddess is mentioned often... like the Triune Goddess of Irish tradition. But isn't the Horned God also worshiped? Are other gods of Irish and Celtic tradition worshiped as well? Or does worship typically lean towards a more general Nature religion similar to the Native American traditions?

Just curious.

DONUTS!

Gail

[Solaris]

First, thank you for respecting our beliefs :)

I'm a Gardnerian Wiccan, so reading that he calls himself a Pagan gave me a shiver. I did some searching and I've found posts he's made within the last 2 years where he calls himself, "A good Christian" when talking to Christians.

I'm therefore doubtful in what he says and even if he does self identify as a Pagan, he's not a good representative of what we believe. To put it this way, Reek is as much a Pagan as Fred Phelps is a Christian.


Oooo! Well said! And how appropriate.

As to what he calls himself, as you pointed out with Phelps: it's not what a person calls themselves, it's what they reveal themselves to be. Those who are Pagan, especially Wiccans, may well shudder at the idea of someone dirtying the name of the religion by acting as anything BUT a decent representative of it... but the bottom line is, people of good faith and understanding won't try to tar all with the brush of one, whether we're talking Christians, Pagans, or Mookie-Mookie followers. Instead, they'll see what the religion itself has to say, and go from there. :)

[Wil Radcliffe]

DONUTS!

Gail

Well, that theory has too many holes in it.

[Erik Burnham]

Well, that theory has too many holes in it.

And it's complicated.

...I started getting that glazed over look in my eye.

[Daneault]

Well, that theory has too many holes in it.
boo!! http://forum.gateworld.net/images/gw_smilies/tomato.gif :D

[Wil Radcliffe]

And it's complicated.

...I started getting that glazed over look in my eye.

I understand the Bavarians are working on a cream for that.

[Gail Simone]

You know, the 'no physical violence' rule does not apply in the case of punsters, right?

Gail

[TomStillwell]

Mookie-Mookie followers.

All hail Mookie-Mookie!!! God of Donuts!!! Holy are your glazed and powdered ways!!!

[Wil Radcliffe]

You know, the 'no physical violence' rule does not apply in the case of punsters, right?

Gail

I donut know what you're talking about.

[TomStillwell]

You know, the 'no physical violence' rule does not apply in the case of punsters, right?

Gail

Cruller words were never said!

[Matt Doc Martin]

I donut know what you're talking about.

IS that because you are danish?

[Gail Simone]

Cruller words were never said!

That's it. I sentence you to being forced to read Reeky Rick's writing forever!

hahahahahha!

Gail

[Wil Radcliffe]

IS that because you are danish?

More likely because my computer is on the fritz. We had a powder outage recently.

[Sarah Beach]

You know, the 'no physical violence' rule does not apply in the case of punsters, right?

Gail

Don't believe her! It's a bun rap!

Remember! This is the woman who in one of her books has a microscopic society worshipping the All-Providing Dog!

Pun-ishments will be distributed soon, I'm sure. :D

[TCJohnson]

I don't mean to offend, but I'm rather curious. What or whom do pagans actually worship? Is it the Celtic gods? I know the Goddess is mentioned often... like the Triune Goddess of Irish tradition. But isn't the Horned God also worshiped? Are other gods of Irish and Celtic tradition worshipped as well? Or does worship typically lean towards a more general Nature religion similar to the Native American traditions?

Just curious.


Well, when people say they are pagan what they are really saying is while they believe in a higher power, but their beliefs do not really fit into any one organized religion. Usually they are more nature worshippers, but that is not necessary.

Wiccan believe that the universe is powered by dual forces, a feminine force of creation and the masculine force of survival of the fittest, and all living things have a spark of both of these within them. They represent these forces with a God and a Goddess. Wiccans are encouraged to make the God and Goddess more personalized by finding figures from mythology to identify them with. If you feel the Goddess is wise you might picture her as Athena, goddess of wisdom. If you think of her as something more primal, then you might think of her as Artemis, goddess of the hunt. Or a femine figure from celtic mythology or whatever. The two forces are large they can wear many masks, and you need to figure out which one you most identify with.

Usually the Goddess is worshiped because she is more likely to help, it is her nurturing way. The God is more likely to say, "You're on your own, bud....RUN!"

[Eugene]

More gay-bashing.

I'm sure your fake imaginary lawyer will love this stuff, Rick.

Gail

The very fact that he continues to post in this thread in response to you and others is indicative of: (1) there is no lawyer; (2) if there is a lawyer, he's not paying attention at all; or (3) if there is a lawyer, he's just not a good one.

Anybody who follows scandals and lawsuits in the media knows that one of the first things that happens when lawyers become involved in a conflict is that the parties stop talking publicly. It's just basic litigation tactics.

[Josh Simon]

Hi,

I'm new to the boards but I've been following this story for about a month now. I just wanted to wish all the people who have been burned by this guy luck in getting restitution for the grief that's been caused.

OH and to any of you going to Megacon, I'll see you there.

[TCJohnson]

DONUTS!

Gail

Gail,

Sometimes you are berry sweet but other times your humor is plain.

Whatever, we really knead you and just roll with it.

[Wil Radcliffe]

Well, when people say they are pagan what they are really saying is while they believe in a higher power, but their beliefs do not really fit into any one organized religion. Usually they are more nature worshippers, but that is not necessary.

Wiccan believe that the universe is powered by dual forces, a feminine force of creation and the masculine force of survival of the fittest, and all living things have a spark of both of these within them. They represent these forces with a God and a Goddess. Wiccans are encouraged to make the God and Goddess more personalized by finding figures from mythology to identify them with. If you feel the Goddess is wise you might picture her as Athena, goddess of wisdom. If you think of her as something more primal, then you might think of her as Artemis, goddess of the hunt. Or a femine figure from celtic mythology or whatever. The two forces are large they can wear many masks, and you need to figure out which one you most identify with.

Usually the Goddess is worshiped because she is more likely to help, it is her nurturing way. The God is more likely to say, "You're on your own, bud....RUN!"

Cool! Thanks for the information. I didn't realize the belief system was so flexible.

[Gail Simone]

It's funny, but Rick seems to be erasing all his posts and replacing him with that picture of his smelly self.

Rick, dear...

We have it all copied.

You're fucked.

Gail

[TomStillwell]

That's it. I sentence you to being forced to read Reeky Rick's writing forever!

hahahahahha!

Gail

What a horrible way to fritter away the time!!!

[Wil Radcliffe]

It's funny, but Rick seems to be erasing all his posts and replacing him with that picture of his smelly self.

Rick, dear...

We have it all copied.

You're fucked.

Gail

Man, that's just sad. And weird.

[Erik Burnham]

It's funny, but Rick seems to be erasing all his posts and replacing him with that picture of his smelly self.

Rick, dear...

We have it all copied.

You're fucked.

Gail

And he gets no baked goods.

He doesn't provide any dough.

You'd think he'd have been bread with a little more class. Even a grain.

[Matt Doc Martin]

It's funny, but Rick seems to be erasing all his posts and replacing him with that picture of his smelly self.

Rick, dear...

We have it all copied.

You're fucked.

Gail

I let him know.

Oh noes!
Your posts are all changing to your icon!


But it's ok...We saved a copy of every page of what you originally posted.

Just thought you would like to know. Consider it a service. Won't charge you a dime.

[singoalla]

It's funny, but Rick seems to be erasing all his posts and replacing him with that picture of his smelly self.

Rick, dear...

We have it all copied.

You're fucked.

Gail


So... if we (who haven't seen this Chernobyl version of a male tantrum before) have understood other statements made, then all those whom he has insulted, and caused misery should expect apologies and grovelling soon?

hmmm

[TCJohnson]

Cool! Thanks for the information. I didn't realize the belief system was so flexible.

One more thing and I will be quiet.

But yeah, the two things that attract people to Wicca is that A) wiccans believe that man is a part of nature while Christians teach that man dominates it and B) where most other religions are very structured with a lot of rules, Wicca is very flexible and you are encouraged to do as you will as long as you don't hurt anybody...including yourself.

I suspect it is the lack of rules that caught Rick's interest.

[Matt Doc Martin]

So... if we (who haven't seen this Chernobyl version of a male tantrum before) have understood other statements made, then all those whom he has insulted, and caused misery should expect apologies and grovelling soon?

hmmm

And maybe more family deaths. Anything is possible.

[Josh Simon]

So... if we (who haven't seen this Chernobyl version of a male tantrum before) have understood other statements made, then all those whom he has insulted, and caused misery should expect apologies and grovelling soon?

hmmm


Public Grovelling. It should be taped and broadcast.

[Gail Simone]

I mean, what a gutless little coward.

First, he closes threads and requires memberships and disallows responses on his own boards, I mean, he's that cowardly, and then he can't even be responsible for his own words.

Rick, you're a disgrace. Most gutless guy I know.

Doesn't matter, pal. We got it all.

Why?

Because you're also predictable.

Dance, smellmonkey, dance!

Gail

[Gail Simone]

Public Grovelling. It should be taped and broadcast.

Welcome, Josh. Contrary to the responses to some of the stinky one's comments, we're a very nice group here and retailers are always welcome.

Where's your store, may I ask?

Gail

[Wil Radcliffe]

I mean, what a gutless little coward.

First, he closes threads and requires memberships and disallows responses on his own boards, I mean, he's that cowardly, and then he can't even be responsible for his own words.

Rick, you're a disgrace. Most gutless guy I know.

Doesn't matter, pal. We got it all.

Why?

Because you're also predictable.

Dance, smellmonkey, dance!

Gail

Now, now. No need for that. Watching him dance might prove rather... disturbing.

[Chris N]

It's funny, but Rick seems to be erasing all his posts and replacing him with that picture of his smelly self.

Rick, dear...

We have it all copied.

You're fucked.

Gail

That's kind of depressing. I'd made a list of links to some of the highlist to post on my website.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I mean, what a gutless little coward.

First, he closes threads and requires memberships and disallows responses on his own boards, I mean, he's that cowardly, and then he can't even be responsible for his own words.

Rick, you're a disgrace. Most gutless guy I know.

Doesn't matter, pal. We got it all.

Why?

Because you're also predictable.

Dance, smellmonkey, dance!

Gail

Remind me never to piss off the internet community. :p

[Wil Radcliffe]

Remind me never to piss off the internet community. :p

Careful! That smiley you just used is very similar to the Tightlip logo! It might put you in Trademark violation!

[Josh Simon]

Welcome, Josh. Contrary to the responses to some of the stinky one's comments, we're a very nice group here and retailers are always welcome.

Where's your store, may I ask?

Gail


Oh, we're a little shop in Boca Raton Florida. And I had no doubts that you guys were great. Almost everyone I've met in the industry is very nice.

[Cam63]

We've saved the threats and the gay-bashing.

He's screwed. No lawyer in the world is going to want to explain that iKill thing.

Gail

How about, " My client meant ' iKill at making salad dressing for the poor and homeless ' and the M-16 in the graphic is obviously a novelty stirring impliment " ?

[singoalla]

And maybe more family deaths. Anything is possible.

It's like an episode of Midsomer Murders. Soon there won't be anyone alive left in the village.

[TCJohnson]

I hope the entire thread is saved. This is one for the books.


For the funny books!! BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yeah, you're right, that was lame.

[GCom]

You're fucked.

Gail

Don't ask me to explain it, but that's the coolest thing to see Gail saying when returning to this thread.



With Tolerance For Simple And Direct...

GCom

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Careful! That smiley you just used is very similar to the Tightlip logo! It might put you in Trademark violation!

He could go ahead and take all my bills I owe if he seeks to sue. I don't own really anything unless Wrestling DVD's turn someone on. ;)

[Matt Doc Martin]

Anyone remember this little gem?:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/docmartin72/SP32-20070109-165623.jpg

[PatrickG]

The dude seriously needs medication.

If he paid his debts tomorrow and legally changed his name, he might have had a shot at being a letterer in three to five years.

However, I think the continued lunacy culminating in him trying to cram his words back into his mouth quietly like a ninja at a pastry buffet is the last straw. I have a feeling that he'll be featured on the nightly news and that this was a desparate attempt to save his ass, under the perverse assumption (held by too many) that the internet doesn't count and that wikiality rules supreme.

Somebody make sure the TV network gets the logs, especially the juicy bits, when they expose him.

[TCJohnson]

Anyone remember this little gem?:



I don't know. His clever plot has made me forget.

Who is Rick Olney again?

[Matt Doc Martin]

I don't know. His clever plot has made me forget.

Who is Rick Olney again?

Apparently he is "The Most Hated Man by anyone actually working In Comics"

[Solaris]

I don't mean to offend, but I'm rather curious. What or whom do pagans actually worship? Is it the Celtic gods? I know the Goddess is mentioned often... like the Triune Goddess of Irish tradition. But isn't the Horned God also worshiped? Are other gods of Irish and Celtic tradition worshiped as well? Or does worship typically lean towards a more general Nature religion similar to the Native American traditions?

Just curious.


Heh, you asked a mouthful!

Here's my version of the very barest bones of it:

There are as many (actually, probably times a hundred or more) variations of "Pagan" as there are of "Christian." Some are similar; others are wildly different. And IMO, we get our share of both fruity cake folks and fanatical folks and those who want to tell others how to worship and what is the *right* path, just as most religions tend to do. "Pagan" is a catch-all word that can cover everything from Wicca, Druids, Shamanistic (Native American or other), to Voudouin and individual faiths. It's better to think of "Pagan" as having worldwide origins, because many people in many cultures follow religions that would be considered "Pagan."

Many variants that are mostly based in European tradition (especially Celtic, Britanic, etc.) often stress a Goddess, or God and Goddess system... but that doesn't hold true for every Pagan faith. Further, some of these see God and Goddess as two faces of a singular creature which wears those faces in order for us to better understand It; some see them as truly separate creatures who co-rule, some see a Goddess alone, and some see a God and Goddess as either of the first two, but also further wearing more specific masks of specific names, depending on the nature of the deity one is working with. For instance, some people may invoke the Goddess by many different names: Isis, Gaea, Huntress, Lethe, Freya, whatever. In that respect, think of it like an actor---Hugh Jackman springs to mind (big surprise there! heh). Hugh's still Hugh, and has always *been* Hugh---but he's also played many different characters, ranging from Leopold to Wolverine to the guy in Swordfish to the magician in "The Prestige" to Thomas Creo in "The Fountain." People related differently to the different characters and their circumstances... but underneath, he's still Hugh.

One aspect that many Pagan religions have in common is some form of respect for nature, and in many, a belief that the Deity(ies) is/are a part of Nature. I try to explain it this way:

Every living creature on Earth breathes in one way or another. They are not the air, but the air is a part of them, and enables them to live and exist. One may respect the air for the qualities it endows, the life it brings, and how it is present in everything, as well as creating a certain kind of kinship among us. Everything *has* to breathe; it behooves us to take care of that which enables our lives as well as the life on this planet: our air.

By a similar extension, my personal belief is that the deity energy is in everything that exists, that nothing *could* exist without it, and I respect that. The deity doesn't control what we *do* with our lives... it just enables them, and gives us the freedom to live those lives as we choose.

I recognize other creatures as being part of that creation, and having a kind of kinship with humans. I respect the Deity's presence within everything, and give thanks for it.

I also believe that there may be different forms within one form. Think of the myths about dryads and their trees, spirits within springs, etc. In once sense I think this may be correct, in that there may be a form of spiritual entity that the tree or spring has, which some people can perceive... or, it may be a separate entity that's attached itself to the object in question.

Thinking of how the spiritual is all around us, and in us, for me engenders a greater respect for all things, and a greater desire to try to live in harmony (as best I can) with my surroundings... which includes everything from people to the piece of nature in my own back yard.

But you're likely to get a different answer on all that from many different Pagans. :)

The one thing I think it can be safely said of most Pagan religions is that they attract people who want a one-on-one, deeply personal relationship with, and understanding of, the spiritual side of life, whatever deities are involved in their specific belief. For most, that also carries with it a strong sense of personal responsibility for what we do in, and with, our lives.

That aspect is sorely lacking in Mr. Olney's actions and responses.

[Gail Simone]

Apparently he is "The Most Hated Man by anyone actually working In Comics"

hahahaha.

Man, I wouldn't want to tangle with this group, honest to god. There have been some fantastic zingers.

Too bad they're wasted on ol' Lunkhead Jones, here.

Gail

[Matt Doc Martin]

hahahaha.

Man, I wouldn't want to tangle with this group, honest to god. There have been some fantastic zingers.

Too bad they're wasted on ol' Lunkhead Jones, here.

Gail

It's like he walked into a bar in Harlem in a KKK outfit and asked which of you n*&^%#s wants to fetch me a beer.

Or he goes to Australia and tells Cam to blow him.

You are absolutely going to get your ass handed to you.

[Dreadstar]

I love it. A Self-banning.

"I quit. I know when I'm beat. Plus, my lawyer slapped the shit out of me."

[Gail Simone]

He's as much a Wiccan as he is a 'publisher,' 'businessman,' or 'writer.'

Which is to say, not even in that ballpark.

Gail

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Apparently he is "The Most Hated Man by anyone actually working In Comics"

But maybe he thought by starting wars with Busiek , Shaw , Waid , Gail and Isabella he could use that to sell himself and his company. Its twisted I know. But many believe that old adage " Controversy Creates $$$ " . Eric Bischoff wrote a book title with that.

That could have been his stunt to create some buzz but it backfired as many reatilers in this thread didn't like it. I remember him saying that negative PR is better than none. I'm sure he felt by drawing the Pro's into a war of words with him he would draw some heat to Tightlip.

[EdContradictory]

It's funny, but Rick seems to be erasing all his posts and replacing him with that picture of his smelly self.

Rick, dear...

We have it all copied.

You're fucked.

Gail
Even if we didn't save the thread pages. It's all been quoted.

What a pathetic display... of patheticness.

[Mike Bullock]

A really clever person might go here: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/search.php?searchid=2126691

and start saving posts like a madman or mad woman... ;)

[Wil Radcliffe]

I love it. A Self-banning.

"I quit. I know when I'm beat. Plus, my lawyer slapped the shit out of me."

That's it! I know who is lawyer is!

Ever seen Fight Club?

[neko onna]

but really..if he deletes his post wouldn't matter as anything he said that was quoted will STILL BE THERE..MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAaaaaa

[PatrickG]

But maybe he thought by starting wars with Busiek , Shaw , Waid , Gail and Isabella he could use that to sell himself and his company. Its twisted I know. But many believe that old adage " Controversy Creates $$$ " . Eric Bischoff wrote a book title with that.

That could have been his stunt to create some buzz but it backfired as many reatilers in this thread didn't like it. I remember him saying that negative PR is better than none. I'm sure he felt by drawing the Pro's into a war of words with him he would draw some heat to Tightlip.

Enh.

As much as I hate to admit it, it might have worked if he'd held his own and come across as some kind of intelligent maverick. Granted, if he his IQ and the waistline on his pants weren't in such fierce competition with one another, he would have started by paying people he owed BEFORE suing them for NDA breaches.

Which, y'know, that's still possible seeing as how he has yet to do either one.

[Sarah Beach]

Even if we didn't save the thread pages. It's all been quoted.

What a pathetic display... of patheticness.

But not only that, remember he's said that his lawyer has been copying everything as well. All you'd have to do is request his lawyer's own records as part of discovery. Heh.

Dunderhead, trying to un-make history. peanut