The official SHE'S (BLEEP)IN' DEAD! Thread

[Sean Whitmore]

This is it. This is where you talk about it.

Should she die? Will she die? How will she die? When will she die? Is she dead NOW?

Discuss.


SEAN

[Geardaddy]

Okay, taking out the debate as to whether or not Marvel should kill of Mary Jane, let's just say that you're assigned to write the death of MJ and it's intended to be final. How would you do it?

I, myslef, just came up with the question so I don't know for sure how I'd do it. I'd probably take the opportunity to bring one of Spidey's "B" villians into the elite badass catagory by having them do the deed. Maybe have Electro, or Hobgoblin take her out....

[Deepex]

I suspose we would also have to do it in a way that Spidey feels responsible for her death etc

[brundlefly]

Bah. Hobby's no "B-villain" just because he's retired. Now, the Macendale Hobgoblin was definitely a C-list loser, but thankfully he's six feet under now.

I suggest a resurrected Harry to do the deed in order "to keep it in the family" (Osborn) without letting Norman hog the spotlight again. MJ's death could be the pinnacle of a Harry's return to villainous prominence, with a motivation something along the lines of "If I can't have a normal life with my family (Liz and Normie), then you don't get to have one either, Peter." Let Harry take the Main Spidey Villain role over while papa Norman has his fun over in Ellis' Thunderbolts.

[rwe1138]

If I had to kill MJ (which I'm not in favor of, btw) I would have her get sick and die of natural causes. That would give Peter some interesting pathos to work through. Nobody actually murdered her, so he wouldn't have anyone to run out and punch. He would have to deal with it like a normal, nonpowered person. For reference, I direct you to the Buffy, the Vampire Slayer Season 5 episode, The Body, in which her mother dies of a brain aneurysm. It's one of the most moving, powerful hour of TV I've ever seen.

[Sonicjuce]

Man the repetition on this board is amazing. We just had this conversation (more like 5) and it was a huge thread. I said it then and I will say it now, stop discussing this.
What if MJ dies instead of Gwen http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=4071083
What if MJ was killed http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=142110
Peter and MJ Marriage (not dirrectly discussed but mentionedhttp://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=143895
This one was kinda a joke (which I didn't catch onto and got pissed we were disscussing it again)http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=145946
I think there is a couple more but I am sick of looking for them

[Geardaddy]

Man the repetition on this board is amazing. We just had this conversation (more like 5) and it was a huge thread. I said it then and I will say it now, stop discussing this.
What if MJ dies instead of Gwen http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=4071083
What if MJ was killed http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=142110
Peter and MJ Marriage (not dirrectly discussed but mentionedhttp://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=143895
This one was kinda a joke (which I didn't catch onto and got pissed we were disscussing it again)http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=145946
I think there is a couple more but I am sick of looking for them

First off, get a grip will ya?! Some of us don't hang here 24/7 so there's a chance we might miss a discussion every once in a while. Secondly, all those threads you're saying are redundant are different. Not to mention this thread is a HOW would you do it, not a what IF she died, etc.

And I'll say this again, you're not obligated to answer every thread on the forums, so if you find this repetitive IGNORE it. It's not that difficult.

:rolleyes:


Anyway, back to my original question...HOW would you kill MJ?

[Jack]

First off, get a grip will ya?! Some of us don't hang here 24/7 so there's a chance we might miss a discussion every once in a while. Secondly, all those threads you're saying are redundant are different. Not to mention this thread is a HOW would you do it, not a what IF she died, etc.

And I'll say this again, you're not obligated to answer every thread on the forums, so if you find this repetitive IGNORE it. It's not that difficult.

:rolleyes:


Anyway, back to my original question...HOW would you kill MJ?
As vaguely as possible.

[Dark Soul # 7]

If I had to kill MJ (which I'm not in favor of, btw) I would have her get sick and die of natural causes. That would give Peter some interesting pathos to work through. Nobody actually murdered her, so he wouldn't have anyone to run out and punch. He would have to deal with it like a normal, nonpowered person. For reference, I direct you to the Buffy, the Vampire Slayer Season 5 episode, The Body, in which her mother dies of a brain aneurysm. It's one of the most moving, powerful hour of TV I've ever seen.Agreed. I'd hate to be the one to have to kill MJ but this would be the best option.

This way MJ's death wouldn't just be a re-harsh of Gwen's but soemthing more special that Peter doesn't face enough.

[Dj0rel]

I'd kill MJ off by writing a story that would be so bad that they would beg me to retcon it. :evilsmile

[Soundrave]

Colonel Mustard, in the Library, with the candlestick

[Eternal Torment]

Aunt May goes insane and tries to kill Peter. He shoots a web and wrenches the gun out of her hands, but a shot is fired when it is pulled away. It strikes MJ in the head as she enters the living room and kills her instantly.

[desanth]

Aunt May goes insane and tries to kill Peter. He shoots a web and wrenches the gun out of her hands, but a shot is fired when it is pulled away. It strikes MJ in the head as she enters the living room and kills her instantly.

This is great, I truly did a lol.

I'd kill MJ the best way possible, bringing life into the new world. Make it the cliche of 'MJ dies, or the baby dies'. I think this might be trashed by the idea that there'd be some super science to save them both so I'll pose another...

Commits suicide: it all finally got to her, goes insane and dies taking a bunch of people with her. After all, violence sells and who expected her to take this shit for umpteen years.

Aunt May needs to die too, so maybe she should be retconned so that it turns out that the original Aunt May did die way back when, and this one is a clone or actress. Or maybe she should be the chameleon or Green Goblin in disguise, something outrageous.

[mattx110]

i'd go with the random mugging. or she blows herself up with norman osborn (who dies again, for longer this time) who had her stuck in some crazy deathtrap to kill spiderman with.

[Reptisaurus!]

Man the repetition on this board is amazing.

Wow! I was just thinking the same thing! I come on this board and all I find are posts like this.


I swear all these questions were answered in the previous thread we had. There were even some great lists of issues u should read, and the discussion of trades.


And This!!!

Not comparable.

You should look through old posts we had this discussion not all of a month ago I believe. Its funny how every month people ask the same questions.

[Reptisaurus!]

Not as an innocent bystander. She'd die saving either Peter or MJ, and go out heroically. Have her dragging their unconcious body through miles of hostile terrain 'till she gets them to safety, and then have her give up the ghost. Total contrast to the way that Gwen died.

[alovelyfeeling]

I would do this way: Somone Kidnaps MJ to lure Spiderman (kinda like green goblin does in Spider man "The movie") but When Spiderman comes he fails and Mj dies. Cause then Peter is stuck with even more guilt and sadness! I would like to see the turn of the peter Parker Character.

or i just let Venom kill her :evilsmile

[mattx110]

Wow! I was just thinking the same thing! I come on this board and all I find are posts like this.



And This!!!

in response to this i'd like to add that people like human contact. even over the internet, and they like the feeling of asking a question and getting 20 people to respond. reading a dead thread just doesn't have the same zing to it, even if they get their answer.
in real life, we don't record our every conversation so we can share it with other people saving time that would be used re-explaining things. in the internet forum world, that attitude carries over.

anyway, i'd have bullseye kill her. now instead of just spidey feeling guilty as all hell, daredevil gets in on the action. plus, spidey and daredevil will go around NY looking for bullseye taking turns wanting to kill bullseye and then calming the other one down so he doesn't kill him.

[Ullar]

make a villain named Qoey J that has the power to kill MJ and then put peter in a love trinagle! seriously i'd have her die of cancer

[Lord_Archive]

I'd have Carrion kill her with his rotting touch while Spidey is busy saving Aunt May from Carnage. And when Spidey gets to Mary Jane too late, the spider-dopplegange pops up and snaps Aunt May's neck.

[666andahalf]

Colonel Mustard, in the Library, with the candlestick

lol...nice.

Now that Spidey's identity is in the open, I would probably have the Hobgoblin get MJ because she worked for Kingsley back in the '80s. He would capture her and take her to the bridge and toss her to the street below. But before Spidey can save her, Hobby would BLOW up the entire bridge killing MJ and every single person that was on the bridge as well!!! :evilsmile Hobgoblin is that kind of dick.

[The Shadow]

How would you kill off MJ?

I wouldn't.

She's more essential to the Spider-Man mythos than Gwen Stacey was alive.

She's also among my favorite non-superheroes and I own all her early appearances (from hiding behind the flower in Amazing #25 to the "Face it Tiger..." panel in Amazing #42.

[666andahalf]

I wouldn't.

She's more essential to the Spider-Man mythos than Gwen Stacey was alive.


I agree fully. But that's not the point of this thread. It's what you would do if you had to kill off MJ. I seriously doubt any of us here actually want MJ to die.

[The Shadow]

I agree fully. But that's not the point of this thread. It's what you would do if you had to kill off MJ. I seriously doubt any of us here actually want MJ to die.

I would FAKE her "death" and then bring her back later... thus not REALLY killing her :)

[BloodRedSandman]

Okay, taking out the debate as to whether or not Marvel should kill of Mary Jane, let's just say that you're assigned to write the death of MJ and it's intended to be final. How would you do it?

Sorry, but No.

Like it took me YEARS to forgive marvel for killing off Aunt May is Amazing #400
(clone or no clone)

[Venom]

I'd have Carrion kill her with his rotting touch while Spidey is busy saving Aunt May from Carnage. And when Spidey gets to Mary Jane too late, the spider-dopplegange pops up and snaps Aunt May's neck.

MAXIMUM CARNAGE 2: GET THE PARKERS

[Mikl C]

Aunt May should kill her. :D

[brundlefly]

I would FAKE her "death" and then bring her back later... thus not REALLY killing her :)

Didn't they do that once already? I recall a kidnapping and plane explosion and MJ being presumed dead, but don't remember the details of the reveal and who was behind it.

Fakeout "deaths" with the intention all along of bringing the character back, like you're talking about, can be cool when done coherently by one writer from start to finish as part of an ongoing story/subplot. It's the other way that it's handled, when one writer gives a character a well-written & dignified death, but then later a different writer, bereft of any original ideas of his own, cobbles together a piece of hackwork that nullifies the original death scene with a lame cop-out like "that wasn't her," that seriously annoys me and is one of the worst cliches of comics writing.

Gee, wonder who that example could be referring to....

[phantom1592]

It's the other way that it's handled, when one writer gives a character a well-written & dignified death, but then later a different writer, bereft of any original ideas of his own, cobbles together a piece of hackwork that nullifies the original death scene with a lame cop-out like "that wasn't her," that seriously annoys me and is one of the worst cliches of comics writing.

Gee, wonder who that example could be referring to....

Ummmm..... I'm actually not sure.


As you said its the worst cliche, so the possibilities are endless.....;)

[Chris Lang]

Didn't they do that once already? I recall a kidnapping and plane explosion and MJ being presumed dead, but don't remember the details of the reveal and who was behind it.

Fakeout "deaths" with the intention all along of bringing the character back, like you're talking about, can be cool when done coherently by one writer from start to finish as part of an ongoing story/subplot. It's the other way that it's handled, when one writer gives a character a well-written & dignified death, but then later a different writer, bereft of any original ideas of his own, cobbles together a piece of hackwork that nullifies the original death scene with a lame cop-out like "that wasn't her," that seriously annoys me and is one of the worst cliches of comics writing.

Gee, wonder who that example could be referring to....

Hmm...I have a good idea. It's a relative of Peter's whose initials are MP (and I'm not talking about his daughter over in the MC-2 Universe). :)

And yes, I agree with you completely. So completely that I have nothing more to add.

Chris Lang

[brundlefly]

It's a relative of Peter's whose initials are MP (and I'm not talking about his daughter over in the MC-2 Universe). :)


Right the first time.

"Fooled you, Peter! It was just an actress all along, who pretended to die. And you couldn't even tell the difference!" :rolleyes:

(Simpsons' Comic Book Guy voice): Dumbest. Retcon. Ever.

[90'sCartoonMan]

I'd do some kind of huge cross-over with all the Spider-Man titles called "The Death of Mary Jane" where all of Spider-Man's villains are in a race to take the person who matters the most from him. Peter and MJ would constantly be on the run, and eventually they'd get separated and Spider-Man would fight through many of his villains to get her back.

At the end of the event, Spider-Man does get Mary Jane back and all his enemies who've sworn revenge are locked up. At the very end, Peter and MJ are about to finally relax with a quiet evening at home when Mary Jane falls down the stairs and busts her head open.

[Hi-Fi]

I think Mary Jane should fake her own death. It's her only way of escaping from Joe Quesada.

[IRONY...]

I imagine her walking into the office of JQ tied with dynamites and exploding...:mad:

if she dies IT HAS TO BE A DRAW

Really I like JQ very much and i think that he is one of the greatest editors marvel ever had and i also love his art but for a guy knowing so many things about marvel comics its totallly bizarre too say that MJ stops Peter for being the cool guy he used to be at his school years...

Spider-man and the Fantastic Four are the two marvel icons that have evolved through the years...Peter cant be the highschool geek he used to be forever...Huge events made him grow up and evolve...MJ is a part of Peter's mature life...Do not kill her just make her interesting again...

Just make marvel characters grow up... :eek:

[-S-Man-]

Not that I'm a fan of killing MJ right now (Peter's only grip on reality). But I don't get the point of having her killed off i.e. murdered...its a bit cliche.

If I had to write her of, then I'd give here a long running illness and she dies on her death bed and utter something that only Peter half hear's and it drives him insane like that time that she was abducted from the aeroplane. Long enough for Pete to go on a mission of no mercy on his past villians. They must all be locked up or die.
One more thing that I liked was Scott (Summers) vow of celibacy. If Peter went on this now that his secrat identity is out and he's saving live all over the place then it gonna be a really good story for a year or two.

[DBZ MAN]

Breast Cancer.
The one enemy that Spidey can't fight off with his fists.

[IRONY...]

this could be more tragic and down to earth

[gorthon616]

MJ gets bitten by a radioactive spider but curiously enough dies of a combination of radiation poisoning and spider poison.

[Jadeskies]

This is how I would do it:

I would decide in a board meeting that we could get more teen readers if we kill MJ because teens can't associate themselves with spiderman if he's middleaged and married! :D

What!? Its the truth! :eek:

Personally I am surprised they havent had an event happen where Peter was returned to the age of a 14 year old boy and had to suffer the intolerance of going back to highschool and being married to a hotty like MJ and she's unwilling to even make out with you because a late 20's woman making out with a 14 year old boy with zits is kinda pushing 'Icky'. :evilsmile

[Evil-Spidey]

i would have harry toss her down that bridge where gwen died.

[MrPunch0]

Venom would eat her brain.

It should be a 12 part crossover with chromium chase sketch variant covers by a bunch of artists who were hot 15 years ago.

Oh - and it needs a pop-up centerspread.

And a 1-900 number to call to determine if MJ actually dies or just becomes a vegetable.

And it must be ploybagged.

With a cherry on top.

[Cody H]

i would have harry toss her down that bridge where gwen died.But Harry's dead.

[Cody H]

Venom would eat her brain.

It should be a 12 part crossover with chromium chase sketch variant covers by a bunch of artists who were hot 15 years ago.

Oh - and it needs a pop-up centerspread.

And a 1-900 number to call to determine if MJ actually dies or just becomes a vegetable.

And it must be ploybagged.

With a cherry on top.I'd buy 70!

[IRONY...]

Why Dont They Just Kill Spider-man??????????

[The New Fate]

It's just to much...

[The New Fate]

Dont get mad... Just kill her already please....zzzzz

[Alan2099]

Elf with a gun.

[jpk]

Martyr scenario - she dies attempting to save Peter/SM from an attack by one of the icons, Goblin, Doc Ock, Venom, etc.

[Siddon]

I think that if MJ should die it should be a huge event that takes out many people and she is just one of many to die.

[Sir Tim Drake]

The Green Goblin kidnaps MJ and throws her off the George Washington Bridge. Spidey catches her with a webline but she dies anyway, prompting years of speculation among fans as to whether she was killed by the fall or by the webline breaking her spine.

No, wait, that one sounds sort of familiar.

[LordEd1976]

I'm in "keep MJ alive" camp but for the sake of the game I'll toss my idea out there.

First of all, no Bridge. The Bridge was how Gwen Stacy died. MJ deserves better than a rehash of the &%$#ing Bridge.

My idea is that Spidey would be fighting a B-Lister (like say Scorcher, Looter, Scream, White Rabbit, Fusion, Grizzly, Gibbon, or Armada) and something goes wrong thus causing the fight to take longer than usual. Meanhwile MJ gets worried that Peter isn't home yet and gets into a cab to look for him. Traffic gets bad and the cab driver has to swerve to avoid hitting another car, He misjudges and the car crashes into a wall. MJ and the driver die. Spider-Man finishes his fight and gets to the sight of the accident in time to see the rescue crews pulling out MJ's body.

[Birdcat]

I'd say it should go something like this......

MJ goes to a doctor appointment and finds out shes pregnant. Shes excited and calls Peter, telling him to meet her for dinner, so she can tell him the news. Peter gets distracted by an old villian (I dunno just pick someone), and the fight between the two carries on delaying him from dinner with MJ. Now while he's getting the crap beat out of him, MJ decides to head home. Outside the restuarant, she gets mugged and shot, just like his Uncle.

When Peter finally gets away, Aunt May informs him about MJ, who he races to the hospital to see. However she's not doing good, and dies soon after he gets there, never having said another word to him. After her death he finds out she was pregnant, and that he lost his child as well.

And the killer? Never found. Which just adds to Pete's torment.

[Evil-Spidey]

But Harry's dead.
no he's not he just hides somewhere.

[IRONY...]

kill all spider-man's supporting cast to make him interesting again...

[the4thpip]

I'd have her transform into Red Sonja again, but this time with Mary Jane's personality in control. Have Kulan Gath appear to have killed Spider-Man, and then she snaps and destroys Gath, ending a major threat to the Marvel Universe but sacrificing her own life.







...however, her soul remains connected to the sword that originally turned her into Red Sonja, and we see Nikki of the Guardians of the Galaxy find it in the far future and transforming into Mary Jane!

[IRONY...]

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh>????????????

[Tater]

I'd have it happen in Civil War or a tie in to it. Maybe she tries to reason with Cap and Tony as they fight. Somehow she gets accidently killed, maybe she's knocked off a building. To make it better, we don't know which hero is responsible. Honestly though, I hope they stay together.

[Evil-Spidey]

iron man should kill her in civil war and then have peter killing tony and then peter becomes the new iron man.

[wingsofdamnation]

she should get bit by a poisenous spider

[the4thpip]

:confused: :confused: ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh>????????????

MJ turned into Red Sonja after touching Sonja's sword in this issue:

http://www.samruby.com/MtuB/MarvelTeam-Up079_small.jpg

[Gavin Higginbotham, BotF]

I'd have a random street tough do the deed, similar to Uncle Ben's death. It wouldn't be Spidey's fault but he'd still blame himself for her murder.

[DBZ MAN]

MJ turned into Red Sonja after touching Sonja's sword in this issue:

http://www.samruby.com/MtuB/MarvelTeam-Up079_small.jpg

No more rehashes of horrificly appauling stories please.

[Siddon]

Year 2009

Spider-man: Carnage

Synopsis - Best way to kill MJ is to not make it a death based on a random rogue or a baddie finally getting a shot. MJ's death should be based on spider-man failing to keep her safe, of Peter taking to much responsibility and being unable to protect the ones he loves the most. As for the best way to do this..... I would destroy New York...... Well not really.

Part 1 Hydra unleashes a new threat sleeper soldiers who release radioactive blasts destroying parts of the city. Hydra anouces that it has taken over New York and will slowly destroy the city if the Government does release all Hydra prisoners. Spider-man battles Hydra forces with a rag-tag team of heros in the city.

Part 2 Spider-man loses the battle and his forces most of New York is in the center including several villians, Doc Ock, Vermin, Mysterio, etc. Mary Jane is killed in the process

Part 3 Peter loses his mind and starts killing villians

Part 4 Peter is brought in by the government

The rest of the year its a who-dunit

[mattx110]

i gots it.
MJ is sick for a while, and reveals she was a clone the whole time and finally turns to dust. spidey travels the world looking for kaine, the jackal and any clue as to what happened to the real MJ.

and yes, they did do something very similar with aunt may.
and yes, they did do something very similar in the animated series clone saga.
and yes... etcetcetc, but i think this is a good way to keep the MJ door open and have some spidey in japan/australia/india issues.
let him enjoy coming back to NY if he finds mj or not.

[Tre Styles]

It would be an elaborate trap, set by one of Peter's enemies(not sure who yet...maybe Goblin, Trapster), and Peter's in the middle of it, unconscious, and MJ is the only one who can save him. Problem is, in order to save Peter, the intricate nature of the trap means that she'd die. Out of love, she'd do it, and Peter has a whole new guilt trip. That's just one way to do it. I would add details if this didn't just come of the top.:cool:

[the4thpip]

No more rehashes of horrifically appalling stories please.

What???
That issue is considered one of the best Marvel Team-Up issues ever. It was by the team of Claremont and Byrne when they were both on top of their games. It also introduced a Robert E. Howard villain into Marvel continuity who later fought the X-Men and the Avengers.

[Sparvid]

I'd do some kind of huge cross-over with all the Spider-Man titles called "The Death of Mary Jane" where all of Spider-Man's villains are in a race to take the person who matters the most from him. Peter and MJ would constantly be on the run, and eventually they'd get separated and Spider-Man would fight through many of his villains to get her back.

At the end of the event, Spider-Man does get Mary Jane back and all his enemies who've sworn revenge are locked up. At the very end, Peter and MJ are about to finally relax with a quiet evening at home when Mary Jane falls down the stairs and busts her head open.Oooh, and every issue of the cross-over should end with MJ apparently dying.

Ending of part 1:
*MJ's car explodes*
Spider-Man: "MARY JAAAANE!"

Beginning of part 2:
MJ: "Wow, lucky that I ran back into the apartment in the last second to pick up the bag i forgot"

Ending of part 2:
*Norman shoots MJ*
Spider-Man: "MARY JAAAANE!"

Beginning of part 3:
Doctor: "The bullet somehow missed every major organ and artery. You're going to be just fine"

Ending of part 3:
*Elector zaps MJ*
Spider-Man: "MARY JAAAANE!"

[Reptisaurus!]

What???
It was by the team of Claremont and Byrne when they were both on top of their games.

Yes.

It also introduced a Robert E. Howard villain into Marvel continuity who later fought the X-Men and the Avengers.


Yes.

That issue is considered one of the best Marvel Team-Up issues ever.


Yee..NO! By who?!?! I thought it was by far the worst of the Byrne and Claremont (Or Claremont solo) issues. Just too damn serious for such a goofy subject. Probably make my ten worst list for the whole series.

[Agentum]

SNAP!

just kidding, i don't know if she needs to die, but they can get a divorce to free up some storylines that is not possible now.

Give SM back some more of his old problems.

But kill of that Aunt May, i got tired of her 20 years ago or something even if she was better when she was described as senile.
They often tries to make her intelligent in recent years and that just don't suit the character at all :D

[the4thpip]

Yes.


Yes.


Yee..NO! By who?!?! I thought it was by far the worst of the Byrne and Claremont (Or Claremont solo) issues. Just too damn serious for such a goofy subject. Probably make my ten worst list for the whole series.

Like, this guy:

An excellent story with an excellent and interesting villain in Kulan Gath. Spider-Man has yet to meet Red Sonja again and I certainly wouldn't plan on it either! As for Kulan Gath, he appears next in Uncanny X-Men #190 & #191 in which Spider-Man also makes an appearance. This issue is definitely in the Marvel Team-Up "Top-10" list of stories and is highly recommended.
http://www.samruby.com/MtuB/marvelteamup079.htm

[twilight]

The new grim and gritty post Civil War Speedball kills her to prove how badass he is.

[MrPunch0]

Yes.


Yes.


Yee..NO! By who?!?! I thought it was by far the worst of the Byrne and Claremont (Or Claremont solo) issues. Just too damn serious for such a goofy subject. Probably make my ten worst list for the whole series.

God I hate to admit this – but by me. This was a part of a MTU TPB I got for Christmas one year. This was one of my favorite stories.

It's total crap – but it's good crap. Ya'know, like Star Wars. :D

[brundlefly]

What???
That issue is considered one of the best Marvel Team-Up issues ever. It was by the team of Claremont and Byrne when they were both on top of their games. It also introduced a Robert E. Howard villain into Marvel continuity who later fought the X-Men and the Avengers.

True. It layed the groundwork for Uncanny X-Men #190 & #191, one of my favorite X-Men storyarcs. A great adventure with Kulan Gath as the villain and appearances by Doc Strange, The Avengers, and Spidey (who Gath wants revenge on for the events of that MTU issue). That aspect alone gives the issue merit, imo. Being by Claremont/Byrne doesn't hurt either. :D

[Mikl C]

I'd do some kind of huge cross-over with all the Spider-Man titles called "The Death of Mary Jane" where all of Spider-Man's villains are in a race to take the person who matters the most from him. Peter and MJ would constantly be on the run, and eventually they'd get separated and Spider-Man would fight through many of his villains to get her back.

At the end of the event, Spider-Man does get Mary Jane back and all his enemies who've sworn revenge are locked up. At the very end, Peter and MJ are about to finally relax with a quiet evening at home when Mary Jane falls down the stairs and busts her head open.

GENIUS!!!!!!!!

[-S-Man-]

Would getting super powers and going across the galaxy qualify as "killing off"?

:confused: What was I thinking

[DWEarhart]

I think MJ's death would be most significant if it were something simple, and by simple I mean by super-hero standards - just a mugging gone wrong, a stalker. Peter would go insane, thinking it wasn't any of his deadliest enemies, no one did it to get to him. It was something so natural, and could have been easily avoidable had he been with her.

Really though, it's time for Aunt May to join Uncle Ben in the dirt floor hotel.
Enough already.

[Spidey-kid1]

I would have her thrown off a brigde by Goblin seeing as to the fact that its never been done before.:D

But for real, I would make some article that says
50 years later.....

and she dies of old age. There. MJ dead. Problem solved.

Or, like like he said...
If I had to kill MJ (which I'm not in favor of, btw) I would have her get sick and die of natural causes. That would give Peter some interesting pathos to work through. Nobody actually murdered her, so he wouldn't have anyone to run out and punch. He would have to deal with it like a normal, nonpowered person. For reference, I direct you to the Buffy, the Vampire Slayer Season 5 episode, The Body, in which her mother dies of a brain aneurysm. It's one of the most moving, powerful hour of TV I've ever seen.

[TheLazy]

Okay, taking out the debate as to whether or not Marvel should kill of Mary Jane, let's just say that you're assigned to write the death of MJ and it's intended to be final. How would you do it?

I, myslef, just came up with the question so I don't know for sure how I'd do it. I'd probably take the opportunity to bring one of Spidey's "B" villians into the elite badass catagory by having them do the deed. Maybe have Electro, or Hobgoblin take her out....

She OD's off of herion, or spidey gets high and slaps her around a bit too much. Have a good social message in there somewhere.

:)

[Venom]

She OD's off of herion, or spidey gets high and slaps her around a bit too much. Have a good social message in there somewhere.

:)

Indeed. Don't do drugs kids! It can mess with your mind and make you do unthinkable things. Just look at me. I'm now spending the next 20 years in prison for spider-slapping my wife to death. :D

[Haunt]

aren't they planning on breaking Peter and MJ apart because it's harder for people to relate to him?

[XPac]

aren't they planning on breaking Peter and MJ apart because it's harder for people to relate to him?

Possibly... you'd have to ask marvel.

That said, I still think having a fleshed out supporting case is a good sign for a character and their longevity in the MU. He's a higher profile character that will likely be used a lot more because of it.

[drwho]

What i dont get is why is it okay for Storm and Tchalla as well as Luke and Jessica to marry, but it isnt right for Peter and MJ. :rolleyes:

[Christopher O]

What i dont get is why is it okay for Storm and Tchalla as well as Luke and Jessica to marry, but it isnt right for Peter and MJ. :rolleyes:

Spider-Man, at his essence, is an everyman and a perennial underdog. Being married to a supermodel isn't exactly reflective of those traits, and it makes him less relatable. Storm and Black Panther are none of those, and while Luke and Jessica arguably are, those qualities haven't made them enduring icons, whereas they very much have for Spider-Man. Plus, he's Spider-Man. He just isn't supposed to be happy. ;)

[Omega Alpha]

Spider-Man, at his essence, is an everyman and a perennial underdog. Being married to a supermodel isn't exactly reflective of those traits, and it makes him less relatable. Storm and Black Panther are none of those, and while Luke and Jessica arguably are, those qualities haven't made them enduring icons, whereas they very much have for Spider-Man. Plus, he's Spider-Man. He just isn't supposed to be happy. ;)

But being married adds a lot to Spidey's character, makes sense that the everyman who can't have money to buy stable molecules suits and have problems at paying the bills also has a wife waiting for him until late of night desperate thinking he's dead, helping him with his injuries, and offering him support, as well as having a mother figure like Aunt May to help him.

Besides, if he wasn't with MJ, who would he be? Black Cat? She's even hotter than MJ and a hero too, it makes him even less relatable. Gwen? She's dead for decades. A Mary Sue created to be Spidey's perfect and 100% normal wife? :rolleyes:

And i can't think of a superhero who doesn't or never had a very hot or at least attractive girlfriend, everyone knows that nearly all girls in the MU are hot anyway.

[bulbasteve]

Spider-Man, at his essence, is an everyman and a perennial underdog. Being married to a supermodel isn't exactly reflective of those traits, and it makes him less relatable. Storm and Black Panther are none of those, and while Luke and Jessica arguably are, those qualities haven't made them enduring icons, whereas they very much have for Spider-Man. Plus, he's Spider-Man. He just isn't supposed to be happy. ;)

Wait a minute, even I wasn't as nerdy as puny parker, he is hardly the everyman! And wouldn't the everyman get married and have kids by his age? A husband and father is about the definition of the everyman, not some swinging single guy (stupid pun...).

And geez isn't the dude emo enough without having to suffer through some stupid "my girlfriend is cheating on me!" stories?

[Sean Whitmore]

Spider-Man, at his essence, is an everyman and a perennial underdog. Being married to a supermodel isn't exactly reflective of those traits, and it makes him less relatable.

Not that I don't get your point, I just feel obligated to keep pointing this out. Mary Jane wasn't a supermodel when they met, I'm fairly certain she wasn't one when they married, and she currently isn't one now. ;)


SEAN

[Christopher O]

And wouldn't the everyman get married and have kids by his age?
Not to supermodels! Also, how old is Spider-Man supposed to be at this point? Twenty-something, right? I don't think he necessarily has to be married at this point to continue being an everyman.

[Christopher O]

Not that I don't get your point, I just feel obligated to keep pointing this out. Mary Jane wasn't a supermodel when they met, I'm fairly certain she wasn't one when they married, and she currently isn't one now. ;)


SEAN
She wasn't a supermodel when they met, but she was always portrayed as a knockout with movie star looks. Also, I think she did start modeling before they were married, and at one point during the marriage, she was a soap opera actress. In my opinion, it totally goes against what Spider-Man is at his core--not only as a character but as an icon and a concept.

[Sean Whitmore]

She wasn't a supermodel when they met, but she was always portrayed as a knockout with movie star looks.

But that can be said about every woman he ever meets. Gwen Stacy and Felicia Hardy are at least as good-looking as MJ. What's so "everyman" about him dating all these fine-looking women that goes away once he proposes?


SEAN

[Jmacq1]

Furthermore, what's so "everyman" about him being a swingin' single as Quesada seems to so desperately want?

I could easily argue that marriage is just as much a "norm" as bachelorhood.

Heck, I find it a wee bit silly that Quesada talks about the marriage like it's something that just cropped up yesterday. He's been married for almost 20 years now! There are more than a few fans that have known Spider-Man THEIR ENTIRE LIVES as being a married man (Heck, he's been that way for nearly 2/3ds of my own). Almost half his existence he's been married (give or take five or six years).

But whatever. It seems a forgone conclusion that Joe's going to find a way to do away with it.

[Christopher O]

But that can be said about every woman he ever meets. Gwen Stacy and Felicia Hardy are at least as good-looking as MJ. What's so "everyman" about him dating all these fine-looking women that goes away once he proposes?


SEAN
It has more to do with the underdog aspect than the everyman aspect, I think. When he's only dating these beautiful women, there's still a chance that he won't actually get the girl, bringing that aspect of the perennial underdog to the fore. Being married to the supermodel, means he got the girl and is no longer the perennial underdog.

Furthermore, what's so "everyman" about him being a swingin' single as Quesada seems to so desperately want?

I could easily argue that marriage is just as much a "norm" as bachelorhood.

My guess would be that it has quite a bit to do with the target demographic, which, for the most part, is unmarried.

[Sean Whitmore]

It has more to do with the underdog aspect than the everyman aspect, I think.

I can see that as being a reason for not liking it. I guess I just don't begrudge an underdog the occasional win. Just a little something in his long, painful existence that keeps him from sticking his head in the oven. :)


SEAN

[Christopher O]

I can see that as being a reason for not liking it. I guess I just don't begrudge an underdog the occasional win. Just a little something in his long, painful existence that keeps him from sticking his head in the oven. :)
LOL, understandable. Call me evil, but I love Spider-Man the most when his life goes to hell. I loved what happened to him in House of M, and I love that he killed Gwen. I just think he's one of the characters that are at their best when they're at their worst.

[Lurch]

Yeah, angst is at the core of the character, and having him happily married to a hot model goes against that fundamentally. That can be pulled of with a character like Wally West, because he's a big boy scout who isn't motivated by tragedy. (And it's not like he blames himself for Barry's death.)

[bulbasteve]

Furthermore, what's so "everyman" about him being a swingin' single as Quesada seems to so desperately want?

I could easily argue that marriage is just as much a "norm" as bachelorhood.

It's certainly the norm for a goody goody like Pete.

Heck, I find it a wee bit silly that Quesada talks about the marriage like it's something that just cropped up yesterday. He's been married for almost 20 years now! There are more than a few fans that have known Spider-Man THEIR ENTIRE LIVES as being a married man (Heck, he's been that way for nearly 2/3ds of my own). Almost half his existence he's been married (give or take five or six years).

*raises hand*. And really, what demographic is he looking at here? As a 9 year old kid my thoughts on the marriage were basically "girls are yucky" and "come on, get to fighting doc ock already!". Having him single isn't going to change that.

Yeah, angst is at the core of the character, and having him happily married to a hot model goes against that fundamentally. That can be pulled of with a character like Wally West, because he's a big boy scout who isn't motivated by tragedy. (And it's not like he blames himself for Barry's death.)

Well I wouldn't call him happily married, there was that whole "I am the spider and I'm going to smash up our apartment" phase and the whole miscarriage thing, and that time when they split up. Oh and of course the fact that he must be racked with guilt every day of his misarable life wondering if he really loves her or if she is just a replacement for Gwen (even more so after House of M)

[Shyft]

lets just hope its Aunt May who cops it, and then MJ and pete go on a break. that way everybody wins.

[Xanrn]

Quesada wants to make Spidey a playa, so he has to get rid of MJ.

He'll become the Arsenal of 616 sleeping with all the hot female super heroes.

New Avengers 34 "Spidey most make the most important decision of his life, Spiderwoman or Echo...."

Amazing Spider-man 543 "3 Days, 3 Dates, 3 Nights, 3 Women, Spiderwoman, White Tiger, Black Cat."

[Sonicjuce]

On the issue of the marriage and the creation of peter and the manner it takes away from his "everyman aspect". Well, come on lets be serious peter is not an "everyman". He's a god damn super hero for crying out loud. Yes, Peter may be the most "everyman" character in the Marvel U, or heck the entire comic U, but he is still a super hero.

I also don't think it is ridiculous for him to be married to a super model. The fact is that women like strong men, and who is stronger then a man that has saved the earth numerous times? No one if you ask me, and thus even if peter is a nerd he is still a "strong man".

Also in the defense of MJ she has always been there. I have read spidey pretty much since he has been married so I am not an expert on readings prior to the marriage. However, I do have a pretty extensive back issue collection. As you read those issues you can see that through it all MJ has always been in Peter's life. She was there when Gwen died, and was one of peters best friends for a long time. The fact is that a great relationship grows out of an even better friendship and I really don't find it the slightest bit ridiculous that they are married. Heck I would find it a bit ridiculous if peter was with another women.

[Will.S]

I fully stand behind the marriage, it just takes a good writer to make it interesting such as the way JMS and Peter David have done.

[Strannik]

*raises hand*. And really, what demographic is he looking at here? As a 9 year old kid my thoughts on the marriage were basically "girls are yucky" and "come on, get to fighting doc ock already!". Having him single isn't going to change that.

Well, when I was nine-ten, I first caught the Spider-Man cartoon (back when it was first dubbed in Russian). While I wasn't interested in girls back then, I was definitely rooting for Peter and Felicia to get together (I didn't like Mary-Jane much until I got into comics and read JMS' run).

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Well, I was about to read Sensational Spider-Man #34, and well it just hit me...what if the person that dies in civil war from the sniper shot is actually balck cat, like she accidentally walks in front of it? I mean it dose explain why he goes to his black costume...etc..

What do you think?

[Gene M.]

Probably not too likely. Black Cat's got her own thing going over in Heroes For Hire. Besides, what's the chance that Black Cat would just happen to be swinging through the neighborhood and past that specific window the exact moment the shot is fired?

My possibilities are:
1)MJ or May are shot and killed.
2)MJ or May are shot and permanantly crippled.

[Joe-Dono]

Flash or Betty are my bets, how responsable would he feel if his friends got killed.

On second thoughts how about a child / young hero dies, how messed up would that make him?

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Well, I was thinking black cat because she is apearing a lot in the Sensational Spider Man book this month, so i was thinking maby her...

[Cody H]

She's almost like a supporting cast member in Sensational and has been since the title came out. It's a good role for her, too.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Ya, but after I read sensational #34, I really do want MJ to get shot, cause i think black cat's and peters mariage would be so much cooler...what do you think?

[Cody H]

I'm hoping she doesn't get shot. I'm on the side of sticking with the MJ/Peter marriage, though I do think Cat and Spidey have chemistry. By the way, there was a What If comic from a few years back that had Pete and Felicia as a super-hero couple. Cool idea, but the comic wasn't as good as it should have been, in my opinion.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Well if the right people get this in the right time, it can be a masterpeace.

[Cody H]

Oh yeah, true enough. I'm sure the right creators could make it work.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Oh yeah, true enough. I'm sure the right creators could make it work.

Maybe make it even a MAX title ;)

[Cody H]

a MAX title? Why would that make it better?:confused:

;)

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Ohh, you know why ;)

[Brand]

If Peter loses Mary Jane in any way (death or any other means), there is no way--none--that Marvel can convince me he would ever risk dating a non-powered woman again. By dating a superheroine, he loses that precious 'everyman' status. Marvel's logic eats itself here, if they truly go this route.

Personally, I'm a big fan of the marriage. I read Spidey as much for the interaction with the supporting cast as I do for the fight scenes, and MJ is an integral part of that. Even if they change it somehow so that she is still part of the book, but she and Peter aren't married, it still only presents us with the story we read 20-30 years ago! What's the point?!

I agree somewhat that Spidey is at his best when he's at his worst, but I have no interest in reading a Spider-Man with no light at the end of the tunnel. MJ is Peter's light (well, along with May). I like to see Peter suffer setbacks as much as the next person, but at the end of the day I want him to come out on top. I don't want him to do it alone.

Quesada wants to make Spidey a playa, so he has to get rid of MJ.

He'll become the Arsenal of 616 sleeping with all the hot female super heroes.

New Avengers 34 "Spidey most make the most important decision of his life, Spiderwoman or Echo...."

Amazing Spider-man 543 "3 Days, 3 Dates, 3 Nights, 3 Women, Spiderwoman, White Tiger, Black Cat."

Sadly, I'm afraid it might come to this (well, maybe not the sleeping part). Bendis could have him show interest in Jessica in NA, Felicia has been prominent in SSM lately, etc. Each writer could have his own superpowered female to push as Peter's love interest. If that's the case, let me get in the game early with my own vote: Sue Storm! Yes, let's get her divorced from Reed so she and Peter can hook up. They've worked together in the past, she can certainly take care of herself, and Peter is certainly liked by her brother. Heck, he could join her, Johnny, and Ben to make the new FF! Doesn't that sound like a great idea?:rolleyes:

[the Dagman]

I am quite a bit older than the bulk of the other posters here from the looks of things. My introduction to Spider-Man came with the purchase of Amazing #100 off the newsstand rack in Los Angeles train station during a trip with my mother. I was there for Gwen's death, Pete's "Cracker Jack proposal" to MJ and her subsequent departure. I watched as writers tried to give Pete new "love interests" over the next few years, most notable was the she-nerd Deb Whitman. And none of them seemed to fit. He did not fit with Deb bacause she was too close to what Pete would be had he never been bitten by that spider. She is like a magnet of the same polarity as Pete.

MJ is different. She has a real relationship with Pete. She does for Pete in his civilian life what the Spider-Man suit does for him as he swings around the city. She is extroverted to Pete's natural introverted tendencies. The two of them getting married was anything but "rushed" as Quesada claims. True, they had a short engagement but come on. It certainly did not feel rushed. And it did not feel like a mistake a few years into it from the reader's standpoint. The way I see it, it is the writers and editors lack of ability to write well that is the problem here and they use MJ as an excuse. It is a lame excuse as well as a lie for what is really wrong. Most of these people cannot write women worth a damn.

[MAK15]

Ya, but after I read sensational #34, I really do want MJ to get shot, cause i think black cat's and peters mariage would be so much cooler...what do you think?

what, like in that what if story way back when...?
I dunnno, I think that if MJ dies Peter's gonna take it reeeeaaal personally and not be in the mood to be hittin' the kitten.

[MAK15]

Maybe make it even a MAX title ;)

with frank cho as the artist!

[SnakeEater]

Let me just mention one guys name - Evan Seinfeld. He is probably the ugliest guy i can think of who is married to the uber hot Tera Patrick, IT CAN HAPPEN.

Now, i just want to say that i hate these topics because it fuels to many arguments on both the Pro and Anti MJ groups. I wish they would get rid of Mary Jane not because i believe she hurts the titles or the character, not because she is one dimensional or useless at all but because people forget about the Character(s) of Peter and Spider-man. We are too busy worrying about what Mary Jane was, or what she will be, or whatever but we dont see that she really loves Peter. We have people who are 18 years old and are married to hotties. Do they make it with the same person like MJ and Peter, not all of them but some do. We have Hot girls with ugly guys, we have ugly girls with hot guys, this can happen.
If Stan Lee didnt intend on making MJ a staying character he wouldnt have brought her up in the story to begin with. Also if i recall Gwen Stacy was a snob and a Witch when she first appeared and they all of a sudden she is a straight edge girl? That didnt last long with the recent retcon but things change.
Im still very Pro Mary Jane because i believe that there are writers out there who know how to write her - JM DeMatties is one of them. It all depends on the writer, and quiet frankly i believe that deep inside some of these writers are a bit jealous of of Peter and thats why they wriet her like dog poo. Thats is just my opinion.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

with frank cho as the artist!

Hells YA!!!

[Spider-Man]

Ya, but after I read sensational #34, I really do want MJ to get shot, cause i think black cat's and peters mariage would be so much cooler...what do you think?

Wow.

Cheering for the death of a fictional comic book character.

A new Internet low.

Spidey

[BigBoss]

what if its just a fatal injury like mj are may moved at the last second.

[Red Lotus]

Well, I was about to read Sensational Spider-Man #34, and well it just hit me...what if the person that dies in civil war from the sniper shot is actually balck cat, like she accidentally walks in front of it? I mean it dose explain why he goes to his black costume...etc..

What do you think?


Doubt it. The Black Cat plays a big part in the next arc of Sensational. I still think its May. I just have a hard time seeing them killing MJ. Joe Q likes to fake people out and to kill MJ here would be to easy.

[MAK15]

Doubt it. The Black Cat plays a big part in the next arc of Sensational. I still think its May. I just have a hard time seeing them killing MJ. Joe Q likes to fake people out and to kill MJ here would be to easy.

I do believe Joey Q once siad on New Joe Fridays "I distract people with my right hand, and then I pick pocket with my left."
or something like that.
maybe the "IMa gonna kill MJ thing" is another example?

[ultimatespyder20]

Black Cat dieing won't happen. I'm going to say May dieing in the next issue. It's about time for her to go, but I don't know why they ever messed with issue #400. I think this is where dear, old Aunt May will leave ASM.

Alec

[Web_Spinner]

Black Cat dieing won't happen. I'm going to say May dieing in the next issue. It's about time for her to go, but I don't know why they ever messed with issue #400. I think this is where dear, old Aunt May will leave ASM.

Alec

Nooooo!

I have really liked aunt may since JMS, PAD, and RAS started writing the 3 core Spidey titles. She has finally been displayed with some brains, humor, and relevance.

Removing aunt May (or MJ) would really rip Pete's heart out! Civil War resulted in spidey already losing his anonimity, does he really have to lose a loved one too???

:(

[Jadeskies]

They have been sporting thier MJ hatred (or rather they hate that peter cant associate himself with teenagers now that he's married.) in wizard mags a lot lately, I expect MJ to bite the bullet.

I expect this to go much the same way as when flagsmasher revealed the identity of the Captain America (Alpha flights Captain) of that time and his whole family was murdered. Course no one cared because no one ever got to know who his family was, but everyone knows who MJ is. They have to kill someone important if they want a shot of out doing DC's big stories.

[Cody H]

Wow.

Cheering for the death of a fictional comic book character.

A new Internet low.

SpideyThat's not a new low for the Internet at all, Spidey.

[PunisherFan]

I'm gonna go with nobody dies

[Ullar]

Godamint Y Kill Mj????!?!?!?!? Teenagers Don"t Read Comcis I Know I Am One!!!!!!!!!!! All We Care About Is Drugs And Sex Jesus!

[Lurch]

Well I wouldn't call him happily married, there was that whole "I am the spider and I'm going to smash up our apartment" phase and the whole miscarriage thing, and that time when they split up. Oh and of course the fact that he must be racked with guilt every day of his misarable life wondering if he really loves her or if she is just a replacement for Gwen (even more so after House of M)

I disagree. l think his marriage is happy, even if the circumstances aren't ideal. I don't hate the whole idea of a major character being married, because it can be done well. In my opinion, Peter's love life is one of the character elements that should be a mess. That's Peter Parker. He's a schlub with super powers. He's not rich, he can't decide on a career, he worries abut his Aunt May's health, and if by some miracle he does get the girl, tragedy will inevitably strike.

Has Quesada actually said that he wants Peter Parker to be a player? Because that would be a pretty ridiculous direction to go with the character if he somehow becomes "unmarried".

[Morw]

Well if MJ dies then having Peter go dating for the next 10 years would be stupid. he would be to afraid to get close to anybody in fear of accidently having them killed.

So what do they want? make him a loner? becouse that would be the logical result of loosing MJ now.

[becominAfanAgain]

You know what . I love the fact that he is married. That is his biggest strength. And to say there is no hardship as a married man is crazy. He is still an underdog and still endures hardship. Now the whole living in Avenger's tower thing was a little out of his realm. But Spidey been married through some of the hardest times of his life. So I don't see how that is messing with his character. He still goes through hell. I also agree with what the Dagman say piont blank.

[FrogMan]

Let me just mention one guys name - Evan Seinfeld. He is probably the ugliest guy i can think of who is married to the uber hot Tera Patrick, IT CAN HAPPEN.

Are you soooo into porn that you know who the hot female porn stars are married to? I mean, I've heard of Tera Patrick, but couldn't tell you if she was married or not, let alone the guy's name.

LOL

[Jesse Custard]

I don't see why there can't be drama and heartache even if he is married. Most married (or engaged) couples have problems and I think that can sometimes be a little more interesting than just a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. At least the stakes are higher.

[gorthon616]

It has more to do with the underdog aspect than the everyman aspect, I think. When he's only dating these beautiful women, there's still a chance that he won't actually get the girl, bringing that aspect of the perennial underdog to the fore. Being married to the supermodel, means he got the girl and is no longer the perennial underdog.

My guess would be that it has quite a bit to do with the target demographic, which, for the most part, is unmarried.

I think it silly to decry Peter for being less of an everyman because he dates beautiful women. This is the comicverse! :D

But regardless, sure the target demographic is unmarried. The target demographic also is un-bitten-by-radioactive-spider-matured-by-tragic-event and so on and so on. I don't think its right to frame him being an everyman because of his condition. It's not that the everyman is puny Parker. Or that the everyman's uncle was killed and they feel responsible for it. It's about him as a person and his character, that you read about his troubles or his super-hero trouble, which may or may not be exactly yours, and you feel a connection with him as a person, not as a condition. The fact that they are approaching him as a condition (i.e. the everyman = unmarried), I think is very telling of how things go nowadays. For a society that harps so much on seeing people as people, we disturbingly are only capable of seeing kinship when shown how we are in the same conditions.

Peter is with the woman he loves who loves him back. So why wouldn't they be married? Wouldn't the everyman marry that person? Does the fact that you are or are not in the same position as he is in help or hinder your ability to feel a connection with him as a person?

Marrying him/unmarrying him doesn't (well wouldn't necessarily) affect anything with how Peter is seen as the everyman. And if that's the reason they are making the change, then it is wholly and entirely silly.

[Jack]

I demand that Peter Parker conform more to my own personal existence! And if he loses the wife, he'll be perfect. I know that I, personally, invent anti-magnetic inverters and revolutionary adhesives every night! Who doesn't?

[Capt Hunter]

I see Marvel breaking up Peter and MJ... they are want to restore the status quo of the classic marvel....

Very Few Mutants--- Check
Angst amoung Characters--- Check
Pushing Street Level Characters that haven't moved an inch since the 70's--- Check
Captain Marvel--- Check
Single Peter Parker---

[SnakeEater]

Are you soooo into porn that you know who the hot female porn stars are married to? I mean, I've heard of Tera Patrick, but couldn't tell you if she was married or not, let alone the guy's name.

LOL
Haha, no i personally dont think she is "hot", not to my standards at least but i used to watch OZ on hbo and i saw him on a video they showed on Beacis and butthead once and checked it out. I didnt know he was a musician with Biohazard before OZ. I read he was married to her and was all "WHATTHE HELL?"

I think he is pretty friggin ugly for her, but who knows.

[ultimatespyder20]

Godamint Y Kill Mj????!?!?!?!? Teenagers Don"t Read Comcis I Know I Am One!!!!!!!!!!! All We Care About Is Drugs And Sex Jesus!

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with this guy, but minus the drugs and throw in music. Most teenagers don't read comics, it's just not the thing ppl are age think to do anymore. The thought of actually reading something can mess with a teenager's mind, at least most of the ppl at my school.

Alec

[FrogMan]

Haha, no i personally dont think she is "hot", not to my standards at least but i used to watch OZ on hbo and i saw him on a video they showed on Beacis and butthead once and checked it out. I didnt know he was a musician with Biohazard before OZ. I read he was married to her and was all "WHATTHE HELL?"

I think he is pretty friggin ugly for her, but who knows.


Maybe he's paying her. ;) I mean that's her job, right? Getting it on with ugly guys.

[Chinofish]

Maybe it's because i grew up reading spidey comics with them as a couple but i also fall into the pool of it could def happen. I mean seriously whose going to buy issues of peter kicking it to a triple divorced, overweight (name your ethnicity here), woman with a third nipple?

Its not like MJ doesnt know shes better looking than peter she even tells him he hit the jackpot, but regardless she loves him. Thanks Joe Q! hey why stop there why dont you rename it "The Everyman Spider-man" or have peter stand in line at best buy 3 weeks in advance to get a PS3 to make some cash on the side while Jonah f*cks him in the @ss with crap pay! YAY "Peter Parker Average Joe Superhero!"

Not that it matters though because you know they're gonna get back together in the end.

[Scott Iskow]

If they do break up Peter and MJ (I'd rather they didn't), I hope they skip ahead a year or so, so we don't have to see Peter moping.

It would be ashame to get rid of MJ before they really fleshed her out. I don't think she's had any decent development in the past few years, except in "The Other," which people prefer to ignore.

[mystique9999]

Well in a recent interview in Wizard magazine, (Joe Quesada & J. Straczynski were being interviewed), Joe Quesada stated that his marriage to Mary Jane was a mistake in terms of writing and the old supporting cast is gone....He really digged the idea of Spidey being a single guy and commented that readers would dig that...As of the latest issues of Spiderman, his identity being revealed has resulted in his family going on the run...In fact, an issue actually ended with Mary Jane between crosshairs....They can't kill of Aunty May (again) because of Jarvis and the alternate reality Uncle Ben for now...So I think Mary Jane is toast... The "Back in Black"is probably Spidey's mourning outfit since Marvel staff commented that it reflects how "he feels" post-Civil War...

Not to mention that Spidey's old flame has made a comeback after the 80"s: Deborah Whitman!!! Are the writers going to make her comfort Spidey after his loss?

Man, I really hate these guys...I remained a faithful reader despite the clone saga trash but if Mary Jane is killed off, IM QUITTING!!!

[Affinity]

There's probably a couple of threads on this, buddy.

I think Aunt May is just as capable of dying as is MJ, though didn't Joe Q say something about deaths?

And...AU Uncle Ben? Where's this?!

Interesting about Deborah Whitman, though. Spidey did have a huge cast that belonged to Peter moreso than Spider-Man.

[mattx110]

she's gonna sleep with norman too? jeeze.

[Cody H]

Not to mention that Spidey's old flame has made a comeback after the 80"s: Deborah Whitman!!! Are the writers going to make her comfort Spidey after his loss?I wouldn't be worrying about Deb Whitman being any sort of love interest for Peter even if MJ were to die, she's got lots of problems of her own.

[Len Ikari145]

Well in a recent interview in Wizard magazine, (Joe Quesada & J. Straczynski were being interviewed), Joe Quesada stated that his marriage to Mary Jane was a mistake in terms of writing and the old supporting cast is gone....He really digged the idea of Spidey being a single guy and commented that readers would dig that...As of the latest issues of Spiderman, his identity being revealed has resulted in his family going on the run...In fact, an issue actually ended with Mary Jane between crosshairs....They can't kill of Aunty May (again) because of Jarvis and the alternate reality Uncle Ben for now...So I think Mary Jane is toast... The "Back in Black"is probably Spidey's mourning outfit since Marvel staff commented that it reflects how "he feels" post-Civil War...

Not to mention that Spidey's old flame has made a comeback after the 80"s: Deborah Whitman!!! Are the writers going to make her comfort Spidey after his loss?

Man, I really hate these guys...I remained a faithful reader despite the clone saga trash but if Mary Jane is killed off, IM QUITTING!!!

Wow, so he's really THAT anxious to screw over Spidey fans? Destroy what one the key elements that made Spidey so relatable and human among fans? Not to mention having one of the most enduring and admired relationships in comic history? Is Joe Q truly *that* naive and stupid? If he goes through with this asinine course of action, he's practically inviting the wrath of many pissed-off Pete/MJ fans (who make more than half of the fanbase).

[Capt Hunter]

Is the final story arc being written by J. Michael Straczynski. With Jose Quesada pencilling the book, I think that Mary Jane and Peter are going to go their own ways again. Not a divorce, a seperation. Peter is gonna start a new journey and he can't take her with him.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

she's gonna sleep with norman too? jeeze.

Only if he looks sad. Actually i theorize that happened when she went in to slap Norman after all that sin's past retconning. She learned about the pregnancy and was mad, but...gee whiz, norman was just so down. She had to make him feel better.

Quite honestly i dont think fans of Mary Jane could handle a Gwen Stacy fate to their character.


I would be interested in a divorce more than a death though. A really well told divorce story isnt something one sees in comics, like, at all.

[Spiderboy-Prime]

get mary jane out of the picture and then i would love to see Spidey hook up with Balck Cat, in Sensational its showed she still has feelings for him( even tho its been obvious before in previous stories) Anyway im more interested in two super heroes hooking up than a hero and a reular person

[KrymynalChylde]

Has anyone else not thought about the fact the sniper crosshairs could be a red herring. After Civil War (as it's been hinted in other solicits) Captain America could be dead or MIA etc... What if Spidey is wearing black to mourn his POST-CW death?

[kal_el21]

Joe Q has been publicly ripping Peter and MJ's marriage for a while now, whether in mags or over at newsarama before his answers started being a myster wrapped in a riddle wrapped in an enigma. Being EIC he sure has the power to do it. I'm surprised he hasn't done it yet. He will find a way to split them up somehow. If he does I just may drop all Spidey titles as a boycott. All the years on these boards and I've never seen readers complain about his relationship with MJ to the point where it needs to be changed. To do something like this would almost be a complete power trip. Like me saying "I hate Johnny Storm!", then becoming Marvel EIC and killing off the Human Torch simply because I have the powers.

Spider-Man was relatable in the early years because he was teenager and close to the readers. He's grown up and should be able to be written like any normal adult (I know! He's not normal. He's the Amazing Spider-Man!), but you get my drift. If a writer has a problem with his marriage, and I'm not insinuating that JMS does, then get a writer who can handle it. Don't eliminate the problem.

[LabRat]

Peter is gonna start a new journey and he can't take her with him.

I think this is more the case. I don't see JQ killing off MJ, unless he's willing to have a few crosshairs aimed at himself right after :p Seriously though, I think it's going to be similar to Luke and Jessica's separation...

[mystique9999]

Has anyone else not thought about the fact the sniper crosshairs could be a red herring. After Civil War (as it's been hinted in other solicits) Captain America could be dead or MIA etc... What if Spidey is wearing black to mourn his POST-CW death?
Captain America dying? Dude, that would be suicide for Marvel...The New Avengers title(s) would be dropped like a hot rock!!!

[xarathos]

I agree with a lot of people here. I stopped reading Spider-man some months ago after the Unmasking. I realized they weren't going to do anything with it. It's like he never unmasked in the first place, so what's the point. I look at the quality of writing back around Amazing 300 and look at the stuff they put out now and it's presently appalling. JMS doesn't seem to know how to write Spider-man without changing him, he's changed him four times last year and non of them were done well. Peter David gets to write the unimportant book and loses sales because of all the stupid things going on in Civil War. If it's not Civil War, it's not important. Marvel Knights Sensational seems to have turned all of Spideys villians into generic hacks. Spidey himself is less important because it doesn't seem like Spider-man at all. I don't see myself picking up a Spider-man comic for a long time, if ever.

[mattx110]

Captain America dying? Dude, that would be suicide for Marvel...The New Avengers title(s) would be dropped like a hot rock!!!

only until it's revealed that the last 50 years of cap continuity was a shield LMD and the real cap is still frozen in ice and defrosted for his new series.

[Sean Whitmore]

Captain America dying? Dude, that would be suicide for Marvel...The New Avengers title(s) would be dropped like a hot rock!!!

Actually...(NA spoiler): Cap's not even a member of the New Avengers come next issue, unless he's secretly the new Ronin


SEAN

[stealthwise]

I'd have Spider-Man duking it out with the newly reformed Sinister Six, one of which is Dr. Octopus, who's totally lost it and is screwing around with some inventions that he's had the other villains steal from Reed Richards' old warehouse of tech goodies.

MJ and May are kidnapped by Carnage, and MJ manages to keep May from getting in harm's way, while Spidey takes care of the rest of the threats. Eventually it turns into a big brouhaha, and MJ gets caught in the crossfire by Ock using one of Reed's old inventions. She appears to be instantly incinerated and immediately after, May suffers a massive stroke.

Hence the several months of typical modern superhero angst and woe for Peter.

Meanwhile...

In a dark alley, young Peter Parker is changing from his Spidey garb into his normal street clothes when his spider-sense goes nuts. He finds himself unable to leap to cover when a portal opens right up and out emerges MJ.

In the Ultimate universe.

Hey, they're running out of crossovers and events to milk.

[Venom]

I think this is more the case. I don't see JQ killing off MJ, unless he's willing to have a few crosshairs aimed at himself right after :p Seriously though, I think it's going to be similar to Luke and Jessica's separation...

Luke and Jessica are separated? :eek: They only got married last year. When did this happen?

[Sentinel K]

Luke and Jessica are separated? :eek: They only got married last year. When did this happen?

They're not seperated by choice.

Luke sent Jessica and the baby to Canada so they'd be safe and would avoide registration.

Luke refused to go with them and decided to stay and stand his ground.

After all, problems don't get solved by running away...

[PunisherFan]

I would have one of Spidey's classic villains do the deed... not some no-name loser sniper. I would have Mary Jane hanging out with Peter and hse tells him that she doesn't like running and being scared for her life, never knowing which villain will come to get her when all of a sudden Peter snaps her neck and the issue ends with half of Peter's face turning into the Chameleon. Then Peter comes in and beats Chameleon to within an inch of his life. While in the hospital Normal Osborne kills Chameleon so as no one sees him do it, driving Peter mad thinking that he killed someone and donning a black costume. Then Norman can reveal he did it and Peter beats the tar out of him and starts to come out of his rage.

[Sean Walsh]

I can't believe they killed Glory Grant.





Y'never know.....

[supremecomicgeek]

Aunt May needs to die too, so maybe she should be retconned so that it turns out that the original Aunt May did die way back when, and this one is a clone or actress. Or maybe she should be the chameleon or Green Goblin in disguise, something outrageous.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! NO CLONES, PLEEEEEEAAAASE!!! :evilangry
Altho i could possibly tolerate ben reilly, but that is the absolute limit for clones XD

[riotgear]

I can't believe they killed Glory Grant.





Y'never know.....

Did Glory Grant die? I can't believe I missed that?!

[Black Atom]

If she had to go, I'd have her die in childbirth. Although this is probably counterproductive to what they're trying to accomplish.

[wingsofdamnation]

i dont understand why everyone seems to think MJ is a problum. everywhere i look its either Should they kill MJ, or How to fix the marriage problem. what exactly is the problum? why so much hate on MJ?

[MakeshiftHero]

Actually...(NA spoiler): Cap's not even a member of the New Avengers come next issue, unless he's secretly the new Ronin


SEAN

I'm going to say that Cap gets CAPtured after before the end of CW7. The preview art at newsarama during the Dr. Strange reveal had what resembled an exact look alike of Caps boots on a body in what appears to be some kind of ICU/opperating table, and Dr. Stange in astral form looking depressed while floating over the body. And the NA goes to rescue him sometime later on.

As for killing off MJ....

MJ reveals that she cheated on Peter with Harry a long time ago and had twins which were sent off to grow up in Tokyo. Due to the goblin enhancers in Harrys blood the twins grow faster and have powers and come back to kill MJ for letting such a horrible idea for a story take place.

[PatchMadripoor]

Something utterly tacky.

Spidey is once again chasing some mugger/street thief, being snarky and snide and utterly sure of himself, talking trash to the scared thief. The thief is lucky slipping through traffic trying to find some wheels that will help him outrun spidey.
The thief carjacks a taxi that just happens to have MJ in the back seat. The thief shoots and kills the driver and holds MJ hostage (not realizing who she is) in the back, and drives off.

Cops pursue, spidey is enraged and he pursues, and they get in each other's way. Ugly car crash blocks away, taxi is turned over. Thief comes out holding gun to MJ. Spidey gets into the line of fire and shoots two webs, one to clog the gun, the other to cover MJ. He yanks MJ out of the way, but the webbing on the gun isn't enough. Spidey hesitates once he realizes who the thief is, one of his old students from the high school.

The kid shoots anyway, scared crapless as back-in-black Spidey menaces over him. MJ says something meant to be disarming, but it sets the kid off into his nihilistic street mentallity, and he aims for Spidey, but turns to MJ. Bullet goes through the webbing (webbing is never bullet proof) past spidey and into MJ. Spidey snaps out of it and kneels before the bleeding MJ, the webbing he has over her to yank her aware is now drenched in her blood. Spidey unmasks and looks around for help, gathers MJ up in his arms and the cops swarm in, some to assist with MJ the others to pounce on the thief. Insert medical drama moment and final good bye before the ambulance shows up blah blah blah Mj proud of peter of trying to do the right thing. The thief talks trash as he is shoved into the back of the squad car, turning Peter's own words on him.

Ghostly white and swollen with tears, Peter let's the paramedics move her away. Some of the superhero community show up neat he ambulance, offering support. As he rides on top of the ambulance as they make their way to the hospital, Mary Jane looses the battle inside. The furious Spidey moves like nothing we have seen before, straight through offices and solid walls and pounces on the squad car, not one of his super-hero friends being able to slow him down. Rips open the roof and brings the car to a stop. He holds the thief aloft, the 2nd time he has failed a loved one and he is angry. The thief is initially scared again, but he talks the more trash, knowing Spidey will do him in.

Spidey's face morphs slighty to man-spider as the cops draw on him, but he doesn't strike the thief, just covers his mouth with his hand as says "say no more". He sets the thief down and springs away. Everyone is looking to see where spidey went that they don't notice the thief falls down and begins to convulse. Too late, they realize spidey filled the kids mouth and lungs with fluid from the web shooters. Cops and heroes look around now, trying to figure out what kind of Spiderman they are dealing with now.

[Michael P]

i dont understand why everyone seems to think MJ is a problum. everywhere i look its either Should they kill MJ, or How to fix the marriage problem. what exactly is the problum? why so much hate on MJ?

Old nerds, unable to deal with the fact that they are old, and nerds.

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Daredevil discovers that The Kingpin's next big hit is mary Jane. He leave to warn Peter.

Mary Jane holds off the attackers, but is killed.

May is in a Coma.


Spiderman and Daredevil arrive, but it's too late.

"Mary Jane" dissolves in Peter's arms.

She's been a clone for how long? Was the marriage ever real?

[Alan2099]

Now that Peter's identity is public, it might be a intresting idea to have MJ attacked by somebody that think she's Spider-Woman. maybe bring up an old villian with a grudge against Julia Carpenter.

[Joe Acro]

...(webbing is never bullet proof)...

Too late, they realize spidey filled the kids mouth and lungs with fluid from the web shooters.
Webbing used to be bullet proof, assuming Spider-Man could make it thick enough. It could support buildings. It could hold the Thing.

Spider-Man no longer uses web-shooters.

[stillanerd]

Okay, here’s a wild idea for what might happen involving “Back in Black” and “One More Day.” Bear with me, because it sounds really stupid and it’s something I hope doesn’t happen:

Mary Jane is shot by the sniper, and she’s critically wounded and is sent to the hospital for immediate medical attention. Peter, dressed in his black costume because his red and blues were torn and tattered from the big brawl in Civil War #7, goes after the Kingpin et al to get revenge. He does so, but he comes back to find that Mary Jane has died from internal injuries. Peter is in serious mourning, and who should appear but Loki to “return his favor,” saying he can help him save Mary Jane’s life by sending him back in time, giving Peter “one more day” to make things right.

Spidey agrees, but instead of going back to where the sniper shoots Mary Jane, he, without Spidey ever realizing it, is sent back to the “day” Gwen Stacy Died in which Spidey runs into the Green Goblin BEFORE he abducts Gwen. And before you can say, “House of M all over again,” this sends Peter back into an altered timeline a la “Back to the Future” and “The Butterfly Effect,” in which because Gwen never died, Peter and Mary Jane never had a chance to ever really fall in love and get married. Everything in Spidey’s history up to the present is relatively the same except, in this reality: 1. Gwen Stacy is alive, a police detective, Peter’s ex-girlfriend...and the single mom of younger, depowered versions of Gabriel and Sarah Stacy (Peter, upon learning Gwen had Norman’s children in this reality, was supportive of her, but their relationship dwindled because Peter was too young to be a surrogate father, plus he couldn’t get over the fact that Gwen slept with Norman); 2. The clone saga (both Conway’s and the one from the 90s) never took place; 3. Harry Osborn is alive and the head of Oscorp; and 4. Mary Jane is a famous actress and currently dating Tony Stark. Peter is frantic because he remembers everything from the old time line and no one else does...except for Ms. Arrow because she’s Peter’s “Other.”

Mary Jane is astounded because Peter remembers intamate and privare details about her that she hasn’t shared with anyone; plus, just as before, she has always loved Peter but because he was Spider-Man, she was afraid to ever get close to him. They fall in love all over again. However, Mr. Fantasitc discovers time anomalies are popping up, threatening to tear-apart the fabric of the universe which is confirmed by Dr. Strange. They have “24 hours” to fix it before the universe ends. This gives Peter and Mary Jane “one more day” together.

It is revealed that Loki was part of a plot to tear down the web of the Great Weaver, which would result in chaos by disrupting Spider-Man’s “six junction points” (from FNSM) or event in which Spider-Man’s life can go either way. Mary Jane’s death, however, was not a junction point because she was supposed to die all along. Gwen’s death, because that was a junction point, could’ve gone either way but because the Green Goblin and Gwen were supposed to be at the bridge and Spidey going back to prevent that from ever taking place never happened, it has altered the other junction points and thus is causing the universe to unravel due to the space-time paradoxes involved. Ms. Arrow, in fact, is the servant of the Great Weaver or the spider-totem, who not only is supposed to be a perfected “spider-totem” (hence why Peter really went through all that “Other” nonsense) but to “maintain the balance.” which means she tries to kill Mary Jane, citing she has to die in order to “repair the web.” But Loki tries to stop this with an agent of his own...the future Spider-Man from ASM #500, who does not want Mary Jane to die and thus cause the future as depicted in ASM #500 to come to pass.

Anyway, Dr. Strange figures out a way to send Peter through a time portal for him to prevent himself from altering reality, thus fixing the time stream. Reed also has a hypo which will knock Spidey out. Only one person can go in. Peter doesn’t want to go in because it would mean allowing not just MJ to die but Gwen as well. A fight between Spidey, Future Spidey, and Ms. Arrow ensues, maybe Loki, and Mary Jane decides to go back in time herself. When Future Spidey and Ms. Arrow try to follow her, they disintegrate. The time stream is fixed. Turns out that MJ found Peter and tranqed him, then, after buying some make-up and using her "superior" acting skills, disguised herself as Gwen Stacy, so when the Green Goblin comes after Gwen, he, in reality really abducts MJ. Everything that happened with regards to “The Night Gwen Stacy Died” took place, thus restoring the junction point even though the timeline remains altered, except it was MJ who fell off the bridge. In the present, Peter is saddened that he has lost MJ again, but Strange makes it so, just as he did for Peter with Uncle Ben, allows Peter “one more day” with MJ before she moves on. Cue the violins, Joe Q proudly proclaiming his last genie is back in the bottle, and JMS lauded as the greatest Spider-Man scribe ever despite the fact that continuity is completely shot to hell.

[Kevinroc]

From the upcoming Sensational Annual.

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays34.html

Here’s some gorgeous art from the annual, which is on-sale in May, along with some art from a flashback scene.

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF34art/SENSMANN001001_col2.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF34art/SENSMANN001002_col2.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF34art/SENSMANN001005_col.jpg

(The last one is definitely flashback.)

[Cody H]

Ok, clearly not dead yet.

[Sean Whitmore]

Ok, clearly not dead yet.

Don't be too sure. When Peter married MJ, he was still wearing the black costume fulltime.

And doesn't MJ's reaction to seeing the city from a rooftop make it seem like it's her first time? :)


SEAN

[Kevinroc]

Don't be too sure. When Peter married MJ, he was still wearing the black costume fulltime.

And doesn't MJ's reaction to seeing the city from a rooftop make it seem like it's her first time? :)


SEAN

So you think there are more than just flashbacks to the Gwen days?

[Sean Whitmore]

So you think there are more than just flashbacks to the Gwen days?

I'm thinking maybe a retrospective of Peter's MJ memories. What makes me think it's not present-day is MJ's reaction to a sight she must have seen many times by now, and the fact that she's totally cool with the black costume.

But for what it's worth, this late in the game, there's no way I think MJ is dying. Certainly not in the upcoming ASM, anyway.


SEAN

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Considering the ridges of his hair, Mrs. Osborne must have had an orgasm or two when she gave birth to norman.

[Spider-Sense]

Beautiful art,btw.

[Will.S]

From the upcoming Sensational Annual.

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays34.html



http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF34art/SENSMANN001001_col2.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF34art/SENSMANN001002_col2.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF34art/SENSMANN001005_col.jpg

(The last one is definitely flashback.)
That art looks incredible, I especially like the way the flashback scene was drawn and colored.

Very Romita'esque.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

From the Joe Friday's it seems that MJ doesnt get iced, even though i want her to

I mean the three images are given, along with this from Joey Q

"Here’s some gorgeous art from the annual, which is on-sale in May, along with some art from a flashback scene."

That implies some of it isnt a flashback sequence

Lamerz

[Sean Whitmore]

I mean the three images are given, along with this from Joey Q

"Here’s some gorgeous art from the annual, which is on-sale in May, along with some art from a flashback scene."

That implies some of it isnt a flashback sequence

Yeah, but he likes to play around with his teases. It's like that old riddle, "Two coins make 15 cents. One of them's not a dime."


SEAN

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

You give me hope for murder dear sir. Bravo

[Cody H]

Don't be too sure. When Peter married MJ, he was still wearing the black costume fulltime.

And doesn't MJ's reaction to seeing the city from a rooftop make it seem like it's her first time? :)


SEANHmmm, good point. I guess that boads the question as to why he's reminiscing. My bet is that he's on the run and May and MJ are in hiding. I'm not convinced May isn't dying very soon, but I also doubt it'll be in the next issue Amazing.

[stillanerd]

From the upcoming Sensational Annual.

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays34.html



http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF34art/SENSMANN001001_col2.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF34art/SENSMANN001002_col2.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF34art/SENSMANN001005_col.jpg

(The last one is definitely flashback.)

Seems that way, and if that's the case, then I'm glad, because I was hoping that very speculative--and very long--post I did was wrong. Then again, as other's have said, those two images could be a flashback back to when Peter took MJ up on the Empire State Building, a flashback to Amazing Spider-Man Annual from 1987 where he was still wearing the black costume (it is the 20th anniversary of the Spider-Marriage after all) and the other with Peter, Gwen, MJ, and Gwen could be more of an "Untold Tales of Spider-Man" and maybe a promotion for the mini-series Jeph Loeb has planned. It IS an Annual after all which would contain multiple stories and lead-ins to upcoming story arcs. Still, considering this week's FNSM, it's probably more likely that Aunt May is the one who has been hospitalized and lies in a coma due to the sniper and, in order to protect MJ from further attacks, she's forced to go into hiding, and the Annual takes place, ironically, on their wedding anniversary and Peter is remembering a moment when all seemed right with the world because they were in love.