Batman Forever wasn't that bad.

[WoodenDummy]

It had 2 tough acts to follow and other than some bad moments I think it's a good film.

It started getting a little to close to camp Batman but it still has some great lines and a great soundtrack.

[Paul Dee]

It started getting a little to close to camp Batman but it still has some great lines and a great soundtrack.


If that's all you can say then I don't even think that you believe yourself. It's not a good film at all, it fails to understand the characters it presents, it's too over-the-top and completely betrays the style of the first movie (which, to be fair, had already been diluted in ...Returns). A few good lines and that U2 song don't change that much.

[Joe Acro]

"Batman's a terrible movie!"

"No, it's not!"

"It only has a few good spots."

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[Paul Dee]

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You could say that about most of the posts on this Batman forum at the minute though. Another 5 Hush threads? Sure? Jason Todd? Why not, lets have loads of threads on him too!

It is quite annoying

[WoodenDummy]

If that's all you can say then I don't even think that you believe yourself. It's not a good film at all, it fails to understand the characters it presents, it's too over-the-top and completely betrays the style of the first movie (which, to be fair, had already been diluted in ...Returns). A few good lines and that U2 song don't change that much.

No one makes films like Burton so I don't see how it could ever follow the style of the first two.

I was talking about the Seal song in fact, but I stand by what I said. It wasn't that bad I just watched it randomly and really didn't mind it.

I didn't say it was a underrated classic that should be praised. I said it wasn't that bad.

[Lorendiac]

If that's all you can say then I don't even think that you believe yourself. It's not a good film at all, it fails to understand the characters it presents, it's too over-the-top and completely betrays the style of the first movie (which, to be fair, had already been diluted in ...Returns). A few good lines and that U2 song don't change that much.

I liked it quite a bit. (Looking back on it, it may have been Jim Carrey as Edward Nigma that I particularly liked.) I don't think I ever expected it to follow the style of the first (or second) movies anyway, so what did I care if it went off in a different direction instead?

By the way, could you be a bit more specific on the part about "failing to understand" the characters? (I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm just saying that if you mention a particular case of how a character was mishandled, it will be a lot easier for us to understand what you're getting at with that comment!)

[Choppa]

^Well one big example IMO is when he lectures Dick on what happens to you when you kill someone. He basically says that his motivation for being Batman is because once he killed his parents' murderer, he couldn't fight the urge to continue seeking out someone else to get revenge on.

[stillanerd]

I liked it quite a bit. (Looking back on it, it may have been Jim Carrey as Edward Nigma that I particularly liked.) I don't think I ever expected it to follow the style of the first (or second) movies anyway, so what did I care if it went off in a different direction instead?

Well, Jim Carrey's version of the Riddler was basically was a very VERY hyperized version of Frank Gorshin's version of the Riddler from the campy 60s Batman TV series--which I liked BTW. And while it did actually try to focus more on the character of Bruce Wayne, it still, just like the other Batman films prior to Begins, allowed the villains to run the show. Jim Carrey wasn't bad but Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face? Talk about a bastarization of Batman's most psychologically complex villain.

[jaguarshark]

^Well one big example IMO is when he lectures Dick on what happens to you when you kill someone. He basically says that his motivation for being Batman is because once he killed his parents' murderer, he couldn't fight the urge to continue seeking out someone else to get revenge on.

That works for me. It's as good a reason as any for Batman's non-killing policy. Sure, simple human decency and morals enter into it too, but that particular aspect was more relevant to Dick at the time.

[Choppa]

That works for me. It's as good a reason as any for Batman's non-killing policy. Sure, simple human decency and morals enter into it too, but that particular aspect was more relevant to Dick at the time.

But you know that Batman doesn't kill right?

[TheLazy]

Batman Begins was the first bat movie, if I keep telling myself that it must be true.

[Chris N]

Batman Begins was the first bat movie, if I keep telling myself that it must be true.

Telling yourself won't make it true. Your beliefs don't affect reality.

The first Batman movie was entitled Mask of the Phantasm. Batman Begins was clearly the second. I look forward to the third.

[Chris N]

In response to the thread, if your argument is that Forever is a better movie than Batman & Robin, you may be onto something.

If your argument is it's better than watching static for 2 hours, I'm not convinced.

I will give you that, when it came out and I was young, I thought the opening credits were really exciting and energizing. It then proceeded downhill.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

I will give you that, when it came out and I was young, I thought the opening credits were really exciting and energizing. It then proceeded downhill.

That sounds like life to me. Exciting at first but then it just sort of goes down the s bend.

[Santanico]

Because there's no point whatsoever in getting embroiled once again in the great "such-and-such Batman movie really sucked" debate, I'll just say that the gif Joe Acro provided just might be my favorite thing ever.

[Stranger With Candy]

Batman Forever is my favorite Batman movie. the two first movies was to dark and i dont relly like Tim Burtons movies and batman & robin was just... well... aweful. and Batman Begins was boring. there i said it, boring!
and im also a relly big The Riddler fan. and i think Jim Carrey played him relly good. i also think Val Kilmer was the best Batman.
but i can agree that Two-Face was bad.

[Joe Acro]

But you know that Batman doesn't kill right?As much as I don't want to enter this conversation, I can't help but comment.

He did kill his parents' killer. The Joker died, remember?

[TheLazy]

Batman Forever is my favorite Batman movie. the two first movies was to dark and i dont relly like Tim Burtons movies and batman & robin was just... well... aweful. and Batman Begins was boring. there i said it, boring!
and im also a relly big The Riddler fan. and i think Jim Carrey played him relly good. i also think Val Kilmer was the best Batman.
but i can agree that Two-Face was bad.

Ah the miricle or representation. *snip snip*


...Batman Begins... is my favorite Batman movie. the two first movies was to dark and i dont relly like Tim Burtons movies and batman & robin was just... well... aweful. and ... Batman Forever... was boring. there i said it, boring!


:D

[DoctorDoom]

But ya gotta admit...Kiss From a Rose was awesome. la la la , dee dee dad da da da......

[Stranger With Candy]

Ah the miricle or representation. *snip snip*



:D
oh how funny you are

[Choppa]

As much as I don't want to enter this conversation, I can't help but comment.

He did kill his parents' killer. The Joker died, remember?

I'm refering to the character's representation in the film compared to in the comics. In the books he doesn't kill, but in the film he indirectly admits to being Batman so that he can continue to seek revenge. That's one area where the film is raelly off with the book.

[tonearcher]

As a young lad I enjoyed Batman Forever. That was when Jim Carrey was the man, and I'd go see anything with him in it, but even then it was rediculous. The part that bothered me the most was Two-Face's gang, and how they had the matching suits, and just seemed like goons. Tommy Lee Jones's overacting killed me as well. I'm a batman begins kind of guy, but I really enjoyed Burton's Batmans.

[Chubaka]

I LIKE BATMAN FOREVER!!!

I LOVE BATMAN BEGINS!!!

I LOVE BATMAN!!!

I LIKE BATMAN RETURNS!!!

The other one is just a piece of curiosity to me. Batman Forever portrayed Batman under a heroic light moreso than the first. Batman was embraced by the public moreso than the others. Batman Forever can be a good sequel to Batman Begins, even moreso than Batman. Although I love Batman and Michael Keaton's portrayal of the Dark Knight, it did not really show the Batman that all children know and love as well as Batman Forever.

And everything about Jim Carrey screamed "manial genius". Batman Forever also showed Bruce Wayne becoming more like Batman, but not as pronounced as Btman Begins. Consider the following line from Batman Forever;

"I had to save them both. You see I'm both Bruce Wayne and Batman. Not because I have to be, now, because I choose to be."

Beautiful line.

[Damo]

It gets a bad rap from some people, but honestly it really was superb overall, with some excellent scenes and great characterization.

Oh, hang on, Batman Forver? Shoot, sorry, I was thinking of Batman Beyond.

Yeah, um... Carrey could have been a good Riddler with a script... there was nice music... I liked Nigma's apartment...

um...

Did I say nice music?

[jaguarshark]

But you know that Batman doesn't kill right?
I think I may have misunderstood you, because I can't see what that's got to do with what I said, sorry.
I know Batman doesn't kill, and so did Kilmer and Schumacher... that was the point of that scene. To establish that killing isn't the answer.

[Frankie Dennis]

The way Two Face was portrayed in this film makes it completely unwatchable for me.

[CBright]

I think I may have misunderstood you, because I can't see what that's got to do with what I said, sorry.
I know Batman doesn't kill, and so did Kilmer and Schumacher... that was the point of that scene. To establish that killing isn't the answer.

Yet Batman blew up the ACPP with the Joker's goons in it. He also, of course, killed the Joker later in the movie. He also strapped that bomb to the Penguin' goon in BR.

[DLFerguson]

The best thing about BATMAN FOREVER was that with Val Kilmer we got a more physical Batman than Michael Keaton, who still is my favorite Batman/Bruce Wayne. But Keaton's Batman didn't have the acrobatics and sheer physical grace of Kilmer's.

Just the fight scene in the opening credits was better than any of the fight scenes in Burton's Batman films. Much as I love Tim Burton, he's not an action direction at all, as his "Planet Of The Apes" remake woefully proved.

[TheBatGotHim]

I liked it. Not better than BB, B89, or BReturns at all, but not the worst Bat-movie. The two things that bothered me were the nipples on the suits and Two-Face being portrayed like a laughing idiot instead of the cold person he is in comics.

[Kristofer]

I liked it to an extent...I still had a few major issues with it.
Two-Face DID NOT kill the Flying Graysons. I understand they added that for some kind of banckground vengence from Dick Grayson. Dick Grayson was also a boy when his parents (and, unbeknownst to me, brother) died, not an already college aged young man. Since when did Edward Nygma work for Wayne Industries ? The acting was way over the top. I hate how they decided to have Riddler destroy the batcave instead of Bane. (Im sure I'll leave the Bane issue for another post...) I did, however, like the "Holy Rusted Metal Batman" joke, found that rather humourous. I like Tommy Lee Jones and I like Two-Face....just not together. Im sure I had more, but, I cant seem to recall them as of now...

[Choppa]

I think I may have misunderstood you, because I can't see what that's got to do with what I said, sorry.
I know Batman doesn't kill, and so did Kilmer and Schumacher... that was the point of that scene. To establish that killing isn't the answer.

I interpreted that scene from Forever as Bruce admitting that he kills in the movies because he could never rid himself of the urge to get revenge for his parents' death, and after the Joker died he had to find a new person to "kill." I saw it as a desparate cry for help to Dick so that he wouldn't turn out like him.

[jaguarshark]

Yet Batman blew up the ACPP with the Joker's goons in it. He also, of course, killed the Joker later in the movie. He also strapped that bomb to the Penguin' goon in BR.

In fairness, though, none of that happened in Batman Forever.
What I always got out of the scene in question, and I may have misunderstood it, is that one of the reasons Batman doesn't go around killing people deliberately is that he might end up on a slippery slope, which makes sense to me.