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megabyte01
12-05-2006, 02:20 PM
Man, i hate this clone saga! There are so many characters and plot twists inside it, it's been driving me nuts. I am optimistic that it will all be explained and justified before the end. For those interested in posting their theories about who clone saga's mastermind is, placing bets on which characters will survive and/or become regular members of the continuity, or complaining loudly (with good reasoning skills) about the state of Ultimate Spider-Man, you've come to the right place.
kel25
12-05-2006, 07:21 PM
Several threads that already discuss this.

General opinions seem to say that overall the Clone Saga is the best USM has been for sometime. The names that seem to get dropped the most for a potential mastermind are Fury, Doctor Octavious, Green Goblin, and Richard Parker.
MaxofSteel
12-05-2006, 07:44 PM
The names that seem to get dropped the most for a potential mastermind are Fury, Doctor Octavious, Green Goblin, and Richard Parker.

Definitely leaning more towards Ult Doc Ock at this point imo. Especially after seeing him at the end of #102, and on the cover for #104.
Keehar
12-05-2006, 08:36 PM
Definitely leaning more towards Ult Doc Ock at this point imo. Especially after seeing him at the end of #102, and on the cover for #104.

Agreed.

Personally, I'm loving Ultimate Clone saga. I think Bendis is doing a fantastic job with it. I haven't enjoyed a USM arc this much since the Hollywood one.
Messiah Complex
12-06-2006, 10:33 AM
This is really Bendis getting back on the stick with this book. It sort of meandered for awhile since the Hobgoblin arc. But this arc just brings everything except the organized crime angle together. It solidifies the series as one long story and not just a string of arcs. The revelation of Peter's dad is the first real break with continuity (revealing his ID to MJ doesn't count as she new right from the start in 616,too.) Really, if you've been reading the book, I don't understand the confusion. Fury, the FF, Ben Reilly- their appearances have all been self-explanatory. Pete's Dad and Gwen got a whole issue to explain what they were doing there. And everyone else is a Spider-clone of varying degrees of success. And MJ is big and hairy and Aunt May had a heart attack.

Tangentially, I thought May had been recast as much younger so the heart attack seemed like a bit of a reach, but she's probably a clone anyway, so...

And I don't think there's a mastermind per se. Its the remnants of Trask industries working with the remnants of Oscorp under the auspices of SHIELD. So if you need a villian, Fury is standing right there.

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SATAN SAYS: C'mon, Bendis, give the ladies a break.
Jason_Bourne
12-27-2006, 12:35 PM
Im not liking it so as much as everyone else. I can't believe that all these things would happen like this.

1.) Nick Fury was supposed to be keeping Doc Ock in custody. If someone came to take him out to 'make clones', shouldn't that tip Nick Fury off as to something being wrong?

2.) Doc Ock can makes clones? So he can do everything,...work on Oz, work on technology, work on cybernetic implants.

3.) Oh wait,...he "never" did cybernetic implants,..of course not,...cuz hes really magneto's twin brother.

4.) Why clone Peter Parker? Because his genetics are of a perfect human and so more preferable? Oh, why didn't they clone some mutant instead, or captain america? or one of the countless other superhumans out there?
its just a stupid excuse to introduce a stupid clone saga story.

5.) why would Doc Ock clone Peter Parker. He hates him. Why would he want to make MORE of him?!! It can't be just to annoy PP seeing as the whole thing was kept secret from him!

6.) why would you clone gwen stacy?
why does gwen stacy's clone have carnage properties?

7.) why does Clone Saga have to happen at all? In ANY continuity?!!
arghhhhh!!!! <head explode>

Its ridiculous. In creating the ultimate universe, they've managed to update every aspect of so many characters lives and avoid some shabby tales and poor continuity from 616. Clone Saga is taking things back to how 616 is.
Keehar
12-27-2006, 02:53 PM
1.) Nick Fury was supposed to be keeping Doc Ock in custody.

Since when??

Ock was in Rykers last time we saw him escape. And since Fury destroyed his tentacles at the end of the Hollywood arc, then it's safe to assume that's where he was sent back to.


2.) Doc Ock can makes clones? So he can do everything,...work on Oz, work on technology, work on cybernetic implants.

In case you didn't know, OZ is all about genetics. Which means you have to specialize in DNA study.


3.) Oh wait,...he "never" did cybernetic implants,..of course not,...cuz hes really magneto's twin brother.

:rolleyes:

How about you wait until issue #104 to see the full extent of his powers, before dubbing him Magneto's brother.


4.) Why clone Peter Parker? Because his genetics are of a perfect human and so more preferable? Oh, why didn't they clone some mutant instead, or captain america? or one of the countless other superhumans out there?
its just a stupid excuse to introduce a stupid clone saga story.

Why clone Peter Parker??

Why NOT clone Peter Parker is the real question. Peter is the perfect speciman of super human agility and strength. Not to mention, Ock has an intimate knowledge of Peter's genetics.


5.) why would Doc Ock clone Peter Parker. He hates him. Why would he want to make MORE of him?!! It can't be just to annoy PP seeing as the whole thing was kept secret from him!

Have you not been reading the story??

Ock cloned Peter because he wants recognition for his work, and as an added bonus it perverts every part of Peter's life.

Fame, glory, and a dash of revenge.


6.) why would you clone gwen stacy?
why does gwen stacy's clone have carnage properties?

Since the arc is not over, wait and see for the answer to that.
Evil-Spidey
12-27-2006, 03:59 PM
3.) Oh wait,...he "never" did cybernetic implants,..of course not,...cuz hes really magneto's twin brother.

yes and thor, sentry, captain marvel, namor and a few dozen other superheroes are all supermans twin brothers cause they all can fly and have superstrenght.
Sparda
12-27-2006, 05:50 PM
As the above poster has said, Peter has a great amount of agility. Think about it, with powers of super strength and agility, combine it with martial arts training, not to mention sticking to walls to avoid enemies while infilterating facilities and such and to boot, you have spidey sense to warn you of incoming enemies, help dodge bullets or just plain warn you of traps.

These qualities if you think about it, can make a perfect super soldier that can take on most foes in the world. Hell a clone specialize in training can even take on captain america if he/she is prepared along with those powers to dodge his punches. Moving from building to building with speed/agility to escape enemies, that would be dream qualites for an assasin/or spy.
Dj0rel
12-28-2006, 05:35 AM
My theory? Doc Ock dies in USM 104.
xarathos
12-28-2006, 06:29 AM
I've only read one issue of it, but as much as I can deduce is that the whole thing is a conspiracy to sell more issues.

Keep that under your hat.
Keehar
12-28-2006, 06:42 AM
My theory? Doc Ock dies in USM 104.

Never going to happen.
Evil-Spidey
12-28-2006, 09:20 AM
Never going to happen.

no really it's never going to happen.
http://www.comicsvf.com/scans/vocanc/spectacularspiderman/221.jpg
Dj0rel
12-28-2006, 09:53 AM
Never going to happen.

I don't like it any more than you do, but that is my theory and it's based on facts.
Keehar
12-28-2006, 12:36 PM
no really it's never going to happen.
http://www.comicsvf.com/scans/vocanc/spectacularspiderman/221.jpg

That's right. It's not.

That's 616, not Ultimate. And second, his death in that was retconned in less than 2 years. Shortest death ever :)


I don't like it any more than you do, but that is my theory and it's based on facts.

What facts?? Bendis LOVES Doc Ock. He'll kill off MJ before he kills Ock.

There is a death of a Goblin arc coming up. I hope it's Norman that bites the dust. Not a fan of the Hulk like Goblin look at all.
cyclops2500
12-28-2006, 07:14 PM
4.) Why clone Peter Parker? Because his genetics are of a perfect human and so more preferable? Oh, why didn't they clone some mutant instead, or captain america? or one of the countless other superhumans out there?
its just a stupid excuse to introduce a stupid clone saga story.


Peter is the perfect specimen to clone. He's the only human whose genetics have been altered that isn't A) Captain America or B) Seriously unbalanced as a result of the changes. As an added bonus, Peter gets hurt more than Cap, and bleeds much more, making his blood easy to come by.
SensorBoy
12-30-2006, 10:32 PM
If they don't kill off the Clones, you know Iceman will eventually start dating the Female-Peter Clone....

Yet another reason for Peter to avoid the X-Mansion.

Logan:"Y'know Pete, you look pretty good as a girl."
Peter: "Stop!"
Colossus:"He's right. You should try on a sun dress at the picnic. Maybe some eyeshadow..."
Peter: "STOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOP!!!!!"
Evil-Spidey
12-31-2006, 04:08 AM
If they don't kill off the Clones, you know Iceman will eventually start dating the Female-Peter Clone....

the female clone has peters memories and thoughts and i doubt peter is gay.if peter stays with kitty, it could be interesting to see jessica start dating mary.
Zentarien
12-31-2006, 09:20 AM
the female clone has peters memories and thoughts and i doubt peter is gay.if peter stays with kitty, it could be interesting to see jessica start dating mary.


Yea since Mary loves Liz Allen, she did mentioned to Peter she was seeing her. :D
shadow of a madman
12-31-2006, 01:50 PM
My theory is that it turns out EVERYONE is a clone and the whole thing is just something an eccentric billionaire put together to watch for giggles.
It ends with all the clones being killed,the billionaire considering this money well spent,and it has NO EFFECT AT ALL on the real Peter Parker's life.
Evil-Spidey
12-31-2006, 04:39 PM
no it's all just a dream!peter will wake up at the end of issue 105 and everything will be back to narmal.
wingsofdamnation
01-10-2007, 04:07 PM
There is a death of a Goblin arc coming up. I hope it's Norman that bites the dust. Not a fan of the Hulk like Goblin look at all.

he looks alot better then his armadillo son
deldboy9
01-11-2007, 03:44 PM
Anything they do HAS to be better than the original !!
Keehar
01-11-2007, 04:01 PM
he looks alot better then his armadillo son

LOL! True.


Anything they do HAS to be better than the original !!

It is. It's been an awesome read so far.
megabyte01
01-11-2007, 10:50 PM
when it comes to jessica, i don't see how bendis - or any writer for that matter - could write a female clone of a male protagonist into the main continuity and do a good job of it for a long time. can you really imagine that peter and jessica will be sitting at the breafast table eating waffles and not feel the slightest bit awkard? i place my bet on jessica getting badly hurt in 104, then dying in peter's arms in 105 - but not before giving him some dime store wisdom about making the most of life while you have it.