What's your favorite Storyline with Ice-man in it?

[Jack Flash]

Mine has got to be Operation Zero Tolerance.

Bobby is without the other Originals. he's on his own with a reluctant newbie and Bastion placing smack downs left and right. He showed the potential for leadership for the first time ever. He was a bad ass. It was a great way to show that he'd studied with the best and actually for once showed that some of it had rubbed off.

What about ya'll?

[streator]

Mine has got to be Operation Zero Tolerance.

Bobby is without the other Originals. he's on his own with a reluctant newbie and Bastion placing smack downs left and right. He showed the potential for leadership for the first time ever. He was a bad ass. It was a great way to show that he'd studied with the best and actually for once showed that some of it had rubbed off.

What about ya'll?

operation: zero tolerance for me as well.

i really enjoyed seeing him take charge and wouldn't mind it happening again.

[ProfeZZor X]

All time favorite....

LEGION QUEST...

That's gotta be the only time Storm took a step back, and really recognized his skillz on the battlefield.

[DDM]

Classic X-Men #1 (Bobby throws a tantrum since he believes the new X-Men don't belong at Xavier's school.)

Uncanny X-Men #145-147 (Iceman with Polaris, Havok, & Sean Cassidy rescue the other X-Men from Arcade's Murderworld.)

X-Factor #17 (Iceman gives a good speech on national television about mutants after the team saves Rictor from the Right. Bobby also has a difficult time controlling his incresed mutant powers after being Loki's pawn from his adventure in The Mighty Thor.)

X-Factor #19 (Iceman freezes the 3 Horsemen of Apocalypse, but Apocalypse teleports them to safety.)

X-Factor #25 (Iceman shocks Warren out of Apocalypse's brainwashing after he believes he killed Bobby when it is an ice sculpture of Bobby.)

Uncanny X-Men #242 (Iceman--with Storm's help--freezes the entire enchanted Empire State Building which is a catalyst for Storm to use her electricity to kill the demon, N'Astrigh.)

[YoungG03]

he wasnt really in it but i like that issue where his father is in the hospitol . Its right after Creed sents people to whup on him after Creed finds out Bobby is a mutant. It also has Logan, Remy and Storm in the issue

[We R. Venom]

OZT is my favorite to date i guess but we will see what hapens in the future, hopefully a storyline with iceman one day carey ill do.

[fishtaco]

These are just the stories where I think Iceman was at his best.

Inferno (Uncanny X-Men #'s 240-243, X-Factor #'s 36-39, New Mutants #'s 71-73, Excalibur #'s 6-7, X-Terminators #'s 1-4).

X-Tinction Agenda (Uncanny X-Men #'s 270-272, X-Factor #'s 60-62, New Mutants #'s 95-97).

Among Us Walk The Sentinels (Uncanny X-Men #'s 14-16)

The City Of Mutants (Uncanny X-Men #'s 49-52).

The Iceman Cometh (Uncanny X-Men #'s 44-46).

Phoenix Rising (Fantastic Four #286, Avengers #263, X-Factor #1).

X-Factor (1st Series) #17.

Endgame (X-Factor #'s 65-68).

The End (Dreamers and Demons #'s 1-6, Heroes and Martyrs #'s 1-6, Men and X-Men #'s 1-6).

[Jack Flash]

These are just the stories where I think Iceman was at his best.

Inferno (Uncanny X-Men #'s 240-243, X-Factor #'s 36-39, New Mutants #'s 71-73, Excalibur #'s 6-7, X-Terminators #'s 1-4).

X-Tinction Agenda (Uncanny X-Men #'s 270-272, X-Factor #'s 60-62, New Mutants #'s 95-97).

Among Us Walk The Sentinels (Uncanny X-Men #'s 14-16)

The City Of Mutants (Uncanny X-Men #'s 49-52).

The Iceman Cometh (Uncanny X-Men #'s 44-46).

Phoenix Rising (Fantastic Four #286, Avengers #263, X-Factor #1).

X-Factor (1st Series) #17.

Endgame (X-Factor #'s 65-68).

The End (Dreamers and Demons #'s 1-6, Heroes and Martyrs #'s 1-6, Men and X-Men #'s 1-6).

tell us why!?!?! I wanna know. What you're thinking. tell me what's on your mind.....

[Tre Styles]

OZT is my favorite to date i guess but we will see what hapens in the future, hopefully a storyline with iceman one day carey ill do.


Bobby really did take charge in OZT didn't he?:cool: I also like the one where he and Rogue go road trippin.

[Kaos]

OZT - it has him bringing the A game, you gotta love that.

[Brian M.]

Endgame - For me it was a personal favorite b/c it showcased each Original at their best. Iceman was at his most mature, he was using his powers in creative ways and he was fighting for something he cared about.

[wilsonRfrost]

i thought the whole emma was part of him and then still in his head thing was cool. though i thought it could be longer' her stay in his body... the end to 313 was so good!!! and the first time i fell in love with emma.

[rilokyle]

Operation Zero Tolerance.

That was my first introduction into Iceman, and I loved it! He really proved himself during this arc, taking down Bastian by himself, and I feel like this was the high-point of his career as an X-Man thus far. He's always written as really laid-back and goofy, and sometimes bitchy and whiney too (Chuck Austen.... :evilangry ), but this storyline showed how courageous and brave, and powerful he really is. Bravo!

[Mister Mets]

Two which come to mind....

X-Men Volume 1 #17-18: Iceman fights alone.

Ultimate War #1-4: Iceman's big heroic moment in the series after roughly two years of build-up.

I'd also add X-Men 2: X-Men United, and X-men 3: The Last stand

My exposure to the X-men is limited to the first six Essential X-men volumes, the first Essential Uncanny X-Men volumes, Morrison's run, and Whedon's run, so all I've read are some silver age stories.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Endgame - For me it was a personal favorite b/c it showcased each Original at their best. Iceman was at his most mature, he was using his powers in creative ways and he was fighting for something he cared about.

Is EndGame the last Simonson written issues of X-Factor, where they travel to Japan to rescue Opal? I love that storyline because of the interaction between the cyborgs and Drake. Simonson contrasted the different cultures beautifully, and our beloved Iceman was the westerner embodying our cultural values. It was exciting to see him in such a role.

Outside of the comics, he's my favorite character in the movies.

[ProfeZZor X]

Although it was a very brief, one issue story... I liked "Colossus Unleashed". It was Uncanny #302, and it also marked the rebirth of my respect for Iceman and love of comics. Since then, Scott Lobdell never wrote Iceman again.

[fishtaco]

Is EndGame the last Simonson written issues of X-Factor, where they travel to Japan to rescue Opal? I love that storyline because of the interaction between the cyborgs and Drake. Simonson contrasted the different cultures beautifully, and our beloved Iceman was the westerner embodying our cultural values. It was exciting to see him in such a role.That was in X-Factor (1st Series) #'s 63-64. Endgame is X-Factor (1st Series) #'s 65-68. X-Factor fights Apocalypse and his newfound Riders of The Storm. Cyclops's son is kidnapped. It's a great story that, in my opinion, leads down a not-so-great road for Cable, who didn't even appear in Endgame. Endgame was plotted by Jim Lee and Whilce Portacio, drawn by Whilce Portacio, and scripted (sorta) by Chris Claremont. The one with Opal is Simonson's last story on the book, if I recall correctly. :)

[tunasammiches]

Definitely Operation Zero Tolerance. He's whole "I'm the class clown" skit is so over. It's nice to see him mature. Thank you Mr. Carey.

[Alex A Sanchez]

That was in X-Factor (1st Series) #'s 63-64. Endgame is X-Factor (1st Series) #'s 65-68. X-Factor fights Apocalypse and his newfound Riders of The Storm. Cyclops's son is kidnapped. It's a great story that, in my opinion, leads down a not-so-great road for Cable, who didn't even appear in Endgame. Endgame was plotted by Jim Lee and Whilce Portacio, drawn by Whilce Portacio, and scripted (sorta) by Chris Claremont. The one with Opal is Simonson's last story on the book, if I recall correctly. :)

Yes, Simonson's last story was the one in Japan. That being said, I thought Endgame was terrible. It was the first time the editors let the artists do the writing instead of the writers, and the editors themselves tried to be the writers. Cable was supposed to be a future version of Cannonball. X-Factor #68 was when they sent Nathan Christopher Summers into the future with that techno-virus, making Cable Cyclops's son instead. The pacing in the story was way off, and the progression didn't really make sense, with important characters being introduced late into the story.

As far as being an Iceman story, I thought he played a much larger, important role in the Opal/Japan tale. He was the star. His character was actually developed. I was too young at the time to realize that Simonson was kicked off the book, but it upsets me now.

[fishtaco]

Yes, Simonson's last story was the one in Japan. That being said, I thought Endgame was terrible. It was the first time the editors let the artists do the writing instead of the writers, and the editors themselves tried to be the writers. Cable was supposed to be a future version of Cannonball. X-Factor #68 was when they sent Nathan Christopher Summers into the future with that techno-virus, making Cable Cyclops's son instead. The pacing in the story was way off, and the progression didn't really make sense, with important characters being introduced late into the story. I liked Endgame. But I did not like the idea of the artists writing the story in general (overall, it was horrible), and I didn't like where Endgame was heading, although I liked the story by itself. I thought making Cable the son of Cyclops was a crap idea. Just awful. I always liked Cable when he was in New Mutants. After that, bleh. Oh, and Cable was not meant to be an aged Cannonball. This is a common misconception. Walter Simonson (married to Louise Simonson) came on this very board and said that it isn't true. I still liked what Simonson and Liefeld were doing with Cable and Stryfe, though. Harras, Lee and Portacio botched it up.

Oh, and Chuck Norris's tears cure cancer. Too bad he doesn't cry.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Oh, and Cable was not meant to be an aged Cannonball. This is a common misconception. Walter Simonson (married to Louise Simonson) came on this very board and said that it isn't true.
Wow. I did not know this. I could have sworn I read from a reliable source that when Liefeld created the guy, he intended for him to be an aged Sam. As a matter of fact, as the story goes, he begged editorial not to change Cable into a Summers, and that one of the first of many events that set him off on the road to forming Image.

But if Walt himself (who used to draw either X-Factor or New Mutants, I can't remember) said so on this board, I'll believe it. Of course, a link would be helpful.

[UniqueFrequency]

OZT for me definitely! i wish they had kept up the momentum since then though

[The M.E.]

Definitely Operation Zero Tolerance.

Hear, hear. He was so well-written with Marrow and Dr. Reyes and really came into his own during that run. :)

[ProfeZZor X]

OZT was really written to accomodate a storyline including him.

I liked the fact that he cloned himself at the end in order to do a sneak attack on Bastion. Still, Iceman really didn't seem like a match for Bastion and his army of Sentinels.

.. By the way, why did Bastion surrender anyway? Because it's not like his Sentinels couldn't have ganged up on Iceman, while he pinned down Bastion.

[fishtaco]

Wow. I did not know this. I could have sworn I read from a reliable source that when Liefeld created the guy, he intended for him to be an aged Sam. As a matter of fact, as the story goes, he begged editorial not to change Cable into a Summers, and that one of the first of many events that set him off on the road to forming Image. Liefeld was ticked about it. The dialogue between him and Bob Harras was something like,

Bob: Whilce, Jim and I just came up with a story that would reveal Cable to be Nathan. You know, the son of Cyclops and Madelyne Pryor. Is this okay with you?
Liefeld: Oh, please don't.
Bob: Hmmm, yeah, I think we're going to do it anyway.

And so they did. X-Factor (1st Series) #'s 65-68 is where it all began. Great story in my opinion, except for the last page which is where the first actual hint was dropped.

But if Walt himself (who used to draw either X-Factor or New Mutants, I can't remember) said so on this board, I'll believe it. Of course, a link would be helpful.Walter drew X-Factor while Louise wrote it. Bret Blevins drew New Mutants when Louise wrote it. Blevins left, Liefeld replaced him. Rob and Louise introduced Cable. Louise was fired because Liefeld is such a great artist that he deserves to write the story as well (:rolleyes: ). Here's what Walter had to say.
Cable is that Weezie never had any intention of linking Cable and Cannonball as being the same character. At the very least, as Weezie said when I told her about this thread, is that Cannonball had powers that Cable never demonstrated. Honestly, I don't know where posters get this stuff. I know it's not from Weezie. But it is kind of mind boggling to those of us who actually watched Cable being developed about, what, 20 years ago?



Best/Walter

Back to Iceman...

[Affinity]

Uncanny X-Men #242 (Iceman--with Storm's help--freezes the entire enchanted Empire State Building which is a catalyst for Storm to use her electricity to kill the demon, N'Astrigh.)

Oh definitely. That was amazing.

[Tinmansstory]

I started reading X-men comics around the Fatal Attractions period, so my favorite stories tend to be later stories, though I have readthe entire X-Factor series. I think my favorite stories were

a) Uncanny X-men #313? Where he was inhabited by Emma and she kinda inadvertantly shamed him into realizing he was probably one of the most powerful mutants there is, if he actually used his full abilities. The look Madureira came up with was awesome too.

b) X-men #50, where he, Storm, Cyclops and Wolverine have to fight Post. He woke up to find he had a friggin' hole in his chest, while in ice form. I remember that issue, thinking "damn, he's tough."

c) Astonishing X-Men #1-4, AOA Iceman. I also remember him being very badass in that timeline too.

[UniqueFrequency]

c) Astonishing X-Men #1-4, AOA Iceman. I also remember him being very badass in that timeline too.

oh yeah he was. why won't they make 616 Iceman like that too!!

[DDM]

Wow. I did not know this. I could have sworn I read from a reliable source that when Liefeld created the guy, he intended for him to be an aged Sam. As a matter of fact, as the story goes, he begged editorial not to change Cable into a Summers, and that one of the first of many events that set him off on the road to forming Image.

But if Walt himself (who used to draw either X-Factor or New Mutants, I can't remember) said so on this board, I'll believe it. Of course, a link would be helpful.

Walter Simonson penciled X-Factor while his wife, Louise Simonson provided the stories. Walter Simonson still was writing The Mighty Thor at this point too, but had stopped penciling the book. It's one of the reasons Loki abducted Iceman in one story. Walter Simonson inked John Byrne's pencils for X-Factor Annual #3.