Would you support an Iceman ongoing series?

[mattbib]

All this Iceman talk, especially the threads focused on his friends and relationships, got me thinking. These topics just never seem to get much on-panel focus. In addition to Bobby's laid-back personality makes it seem that he'd be much more likely to have solo adventures, even if they only arise out of every-day situations. I'd definitely think he'd try to get away from the mansion as often as he could.

On the other hand...he is an accountant.

What do you think?

[Kaos]

If it involved the human torch DOUBLE YES, Iceman by himself still YES..it'd be something cool to see. Would have to have a humorous writer though.

[Godlike]

NO! Drake is redundant as a character: BO-RING!! :D

[Effect]

Gotta say no. While I think the character is interesting and really cool powers I have no interest at all in reading just about him. That's really the same for a LOT if not ALL of the X-men. I like reading about them as members of a team and even the occasional focus issue or two but but by themselves all the time. I don't even read Wolverine's title and I think the character is pretty cool. Try to stay away from minis of characters as well. Something is really lost I feel when you take primary team based characters and make them solo characters. That team element is that makes them interesting in the first place.

[xakko]

I just don't think most of the X-men are versatile enough to carry a solo series, and include Bobby amongst them. Limited series, certainly, but not ongoing.

[The Fury]

I would support but feel like most X-men solo books, it would probably fail. Sadly, there probably isn;t enough to do with the character that cannot be done in the X-men comics.

[Atom_basher]

no, no i wouldnt

[Canemacar]

I don't think he has that much of a story to tell outside of the X-men.

[DDM]

Iceman is strong enough for a possible limited series, but he can't support an ongoing series. I would like to see Iceman outside of the X-Men in either The Champions or Defenders soon.

[Faded]

Iceman is one of my favorite characters, but alone I'm not sure. I generally don't support solos nor think they are necessary.

[Darkwave]

I would support an ongoing focused on Bobby, Hank, and Warren. Each arc could focus on one, two, or all three of them.

I don't think any of them could support a series by themselves (though I'd certainly buy an Iceman series). But the three of them together could.

[Hi-Fi]

Sure, I'd support it. I don't know if it would be enough, though.

[Cayman]

I don't think so. I don't find him interesting enough on his own.

Perhaps in a buddy book.

[streator]

i would.

i think it would need a good creative team and hook to make it, though.

[Frodo-X]

I'd give it a shot. Maybe 10 issues to impress me, like I've given Wolverine: Origins.


Which has failed to thus far, by the way.

[caney]

YES!!!!!! He's my favorite, so I would love an Iceman ongoing, but I doubt I could buy enough copies to keep it going.

A buddy book would be cool too. But who should he be paired up with? The Human Torch is a good suggestion and could be fun. How about an Iceman and Nightcrawler book? They could, you know, have adventures and stuff, where things happen. It would be great!!! :D

[Young Avenger]

I'll support an Iceman ongoing if he's part of a duo like Cable & Deadpool. He has to wear the outfit he had in the Icons series. That costume was awesome.

[The Grand Beef]

I've always liked Iceman. He's very likeable in general. But, in the X-Men, he isn't big, so he gets shuffled around the backround for the most part, throwing up ice shields and stuff when the need arrises.

Honestly, I think he'd be a cool superhero on his own. Do you think he'd work going solo? Breaking away from the X-Men in a team sense and dash off on his own?

Do you think he could be recognizable on his own? Still have ties to the mutant community of course, but for the most part, focusing on his own story, his own supporting cast, his own rogues gallery, ect.

I think he could. He's likable, has a unique look and instantly recognizable powers. I think he could set off on his own, away from the X-mythology and be his own superhero, like Spiderman or Hulk or something. That'd be rad.

Payce!

~Richie

[ProfeZZor X]

I think us fans should get a redo, from that debochery of an Iceman mini series they did a few years ago... The artist sucked, and so did the story.

[Omega Alpha]

I think most X-men characters wouldn't work in a ongoing, they are better in limited series.


I'll support an Iceman ongoing if he's part of a duo like Cable & Deadpool. He has to wear the outfit he had in the Icons series. That costume was awesome.

Who do you suggest to be his Cable? Beast? Cyclops? Archangel? Wolverine? Deadpool?:confused: I still don't see in a ongoing, but i would like a LS like that, Iceman makes jokes, kicking ass and annoying someone trying to be serious:)

[Dizzy D]

I think most X-men characters wouldn't work in a ongoing, they are better in limited series.



Who do you suggest to be his Cable? Beast? Cyclops? Archangel? Wolverine? Deadpool?:confused: I still don't see in a ongoing, but i would like a LS like that, Iceman makes jokes, kicking ass and annoying someone trying to be serious:)

Firestar.

Seriously, I wouldn't buy an Iceman book unless the creative team was very good. But a good creative team usually can sell me on any character.

[kel25]

I'd support an Iceman series for the short time it would last. :)

[Madrox84]

I voted no.

I don't think an Iceman ongoing series would last, just like most solo x-titles.

[superbatman86]

Hell yeah I would.Seeing as that's the only way his real power and charater can be shown properly.Don't get me wrong I'm loving Carey's run so far but my only complaint is not enough Iceman!There was a poll in wizard a few years back about what X-men fans would like to see get their own solo-title and Iceman won easily so the fan support is there they just need good production team.Carey or Lobdell would be good writers and whoever drew him in OZT would be great.

[Michael P]

Nope. Bobby works best in an ensemble.

[The Shadow]

Nah.

I get too much already and Iceman is nowhere near me liking him enough to get my support.

[TinMan]

I think your poll is missing an option or two, fellow Mattio.

I would choose, "It depends on the creative team". Bobby isn't one of my favorite X-Men, but I really do like him. So, if there was a solid creative team involved with a good angle on his character and story, I would definitely buy it.

[rilokyle]

While I do love Iceman, in all honesty a solo series isn't going to make it past 12 issues. It would have to have an amazing creative team for the book to sell. Otherwise it will become just a little footnote in history.

[Mister Mets]

I voted yes, because Iceman is a good character, and has enough backstory/ potential to support something like this. He's also one of the best known X-men, from the movies and "Amazing Friends."

Despite this, he hasn't appeared in the best X-Men tales (Byrne/ Claremont's run, Morrison's run, Whedon's run, Claremont/ Smith/Cockrum, God Loves-Man Kills, etc.) The best stories starring Iceman may just be in the Ultimate/ X-men movie universes, which is not a fantastic sign. This is still something Carey/ the Iceman writer could correct.

Don't get me wrong. This could be a horrible flop, but it could also be a critical/sales success. I'm not sure if I want to see any more X books, but I'd never mind another good one.

The book would probably need a supporting cast to make Iceman into a compelling solo character.

As for writer, I can think of no one better than Sean McKeever, fan of Iceman from "Amazing Friends." He's a man who has written young heroes very well (Gravity) and this could be his breakout book.

[dellicious]

no he works best as a supporting character

[Pro]

I generally don't read solo series for the simple reason that solo characters are effectively immortal. They can't die or the series will end. Spidey clone and immortal wolverine are examples of what you end up with when writers try to maintain the illusion of potential death. "Oh no logan died again ... oh wait his regeneration is even better than the last dozen times he almost died!!!"

[Christopher O]

I really don't care much for Iceman, so I probably wouldn't. It'd take a creative team of massive proportions to get me reading. Of course, I can't imagine a creative team of massive proportions wasting time on an Iceman series, when they could just do the X-Men instead.

[Canemacar]

I generally don't read solo series for the simple reason that solo characters are effectively immortal. They can't die or the series will end. Spidey clone and immortal wolverine are examples of what you end up with when writers try to maintain the illusion of potential death. "Oh no logan died again ... oh wait his regeneration is even better than the last dozen times he almost died!!!"

Don't you think there's more to reading a story than to just see if the character dies? I personally read comics, not because I worry for the safety of the characters, but because I want to read stories about them.

[Pro]

Don't you think there's more to reading a story than to just see if the character dies? I personally read comics, not because I worry for the safety of the characters, but because I want to read stories about them.

sure there is, but when i read stories about characters that put their life on the line on a daily basis part of the tension is whether they'll make it this time. I did say in general rather than never. It's one of the story elements that might get me hooked. However at some point in reading spiderman or wolverine for example it was:superhero fights supervillain, almost dies but doesn't because next month he needs to fight the next superbaddie. It got me rather bored with solo stories. Of course it's only one storyelement but if i have to choose what to spend my money on i prefer to read team-based comics rather than solo series partly for the added riisk factor. It's not so much the death element but rather that death adds a surprise element to the overall story. I'm hardly reading the stories to see who might die but the fact that a team member could potentially die without killing the series adds just a touch of tension to it that i generally find lacking in solobooks.

[Crimson]

I'd try it... but it doesn't mean I'd stick around for more then a few issues.

I love the character but it would take a great creative team with the right pitch to make it a sucess.

[Mister Mets]

Here's a question.

If Marvel's able to get a creative team good enough to get you to pick up the series, do you think that creative team would be better on another book?

This might be especially true of the artist. A good writer (BKV, David, McKeever, Carey) could usually write several books a month in addition to Iceman, so the loss wouldn't be that noticeable. But an Iceman book with a great artist (ie- Alan Davis) would tie up that artist, and prevent him from working on other books, which may lead to his/her being upset at Marvel/ losing on great opportunities (witness Darick Robertson on Nightcrawler). Meanwhile, putting a less respected artist on the book will prevent it from standing out.

Still, the more I think about it, the more I think it could work. With the right creative team, which would include an artist people wouldn't expect to handle this kind of project.

And maybe Charles Vess covers.

[drwho]

No way never. Iceman is not an interesting solo character. He only works well in a cast.

[Flameworthy]

I like Bobby when he's not written as whiny or incompetent, but I just don't like him enough to support him in his own title. I also learned my lesson about buying solo titles for X-characters.

[Novaya Havoc]

No. You need a character who can have an independent objective that is not "X-Men Vol. 16."

The only X-Men "characters" who I think could have solo-appeal (possibly under MAX) with the right creative teams are:
Wolverine
Gambit
Dazzler
Wisdom (Pete)

and MAYBE:
Bishop
Psylocke
Storm

I honestly think that character names have something to do with it as well. A title called "Psylocke" doesn't strike me as a solo book. Same with "Bishop," or "Shadowcat." Marketing is half the battle, after all.

Iceman, I think loses out on that battle. It sounds so retro 1960's and just feels "X-Men spinoff" rather than "solo book."

Anyway, just my two cents.

[That JonoGuy]

I put my vote in for no. I tend to think solo X-Men books generally take away from the core books on the whole. Unless of course the star isn't a character on the team. I am however for a possible mini series.

[streator]

i think it's kind of funny that people are quick to write off iceman as a solo character, using the logic of the character not having enough to do outside of the x-men/working best as a cast member/etc.

characters get individual personalities and backstories by... people writing individual stories about them.

iceman has the same potential to be a successful solo character that any x-man has, in theory. it just takes a good story to make it happen.

for example, look at bishop. he doesn't strike most as a great solo character. i however really enjoyed bishop: the last x-man, which was completely removed from the core books and really created a great story for and around bishop.

a solo title could work for iceman given a good story and good creative team. whether or not it sells also depends on the creative team and pitch.

[Brian M.]

I think Iceman works better in a cast. Mainly a cast made up of Cyclops, Jean, Angel and Beast.

[Novaya Havoc]

i think it's kind of funny that people are quick to write off iceman as a solo character, using the logic of the character not having enough to do outside of the x-men/working best as a cast member/etc.

characters get individual personalities and backstories by... people writing individual stories about them.

iceman has the same potential to be a successful solo character that any x-man has, in theory. it just takes a good story to make it happen.

for example, look at bishop. he doesn't strike most as a great solo character. i however really enjoyed bishop: the last x-man, which was completely removed from the core books and really created a great story for and around bishop.

a solo title could work for iceman given a good story and good creative team. whether or not it sells also depends on the creative team and pitch.

Regardless. It's harder to launch a solo title for a character associated with a team book. It's those relationships within the team that compile the character; rarely is it the character him/herself.

Not impossible, but still unlikely. Emma Frost tried to spin an ongoing in a different direction (retrospective). Still failed. Rogue and Gambit tried to flirt similar angles as Wolverine. Jubilee tried to launch into a "my life" story ala Dazzler. And don't even get me started on Nightcrawler.

Just how it goes.

[Christopher O]

And don't even get me started on Nightcrawler.
What's your beef with Nightcrawler? I thought that series was the best of that bunch of launches, which, admittedly, isn't saying much.

[UniqueFrequency]

i'd buy it. admittedly, as some of posted, for however long it lasts.

i think most of what you guys say is right, he probably needs another character to bounce off and/or a real good creative team

i'd just as readily buy an original x-men ongoing =)

[Brian M.]

i'd buy it. admittedly, as some of posted, for however long it lasts.

i think most of what you guys say is right, he probably needs another character to bounce off and/or a real good creative team

i'd just as readily buy an original x-men ongoing =)

You sir are a cut above the rest.

[Jmacq1]

Wouldn't buy it. Bobby is probably my least-favorite X-Person overall. He's just never been presented in a way that was interesting to me, and unless that changed, I doubt an ongoing would appeal to me.

As far as an "original five" series goes, I -might- buy it, but I only actually like 3/5s of the original five (Cyclops, Marvel Girl, and Beast). Angel and Iceman have never really appealed...even when they did try radically different things with Warren.

[ProfeZZor X]

I would support the series, only if there was a learning experience for him along the way. Kind of like that TV show The Incredible Hulk... with Bill Bixby.