Big X-over Summer Event coming...

[Teamballin]

Figure I'd start the ball, so there is a big x-over event coming in the summer. Can folks share some info, or they're feelings about this whole event that is planning to take place? What the plot? Potential outcome? etc

[Omega Alpha]

Seems that it's going to involve Sinister, who celebrates his 20th birthday next year. Cable has been rumored to have a big role in it, and Gambit and Sunfire to return, but so far there are no concrete informations or any defined plot.

[Hi-Fi]

All the X-Books will be involved, aparently, including X-Men, Uncanny X-Men and New X-Men.

[Frodo-X]

This is the first I'm hearing of this.

I hope it's good. I love the X-books more than any other, but their crossovers have been hit or miss in the past.

If this one turns out as good as the original AoA, I shall have a joygasm.

[Omega Alpha]

Speaking of AoA, i hope this is not one of the big 90's crossovers you had to buy more than 40 issues to read the whole story. One of the good things Quesada did as EIC is that now the big events are like House of M, Civil War or Avengers: Disassembled, with you having only to buy the main book, and the rest working as tie-ins, only complementing the story, but not indispensable for the understanding of the main book.

[Frodo-X]

Speaking of AoA, i hope this is not one of the big 90's crossovers you had to buy more than 40 issues to read the whole story. One of the good things Quesada did as EIC is that now the big events are like House of M, Civil War or Avengers: Disassembled, with you having only to buy the main book, and the rest working as tie-ins, only complementing the story, but not indispensable for the understanding of the main book.

I can agree with that. I just got to read AoA for the first time a couple weeks ago when I got the trades (AWESOME!). It certainly must have been difficult and expensive to try and follow the entire thing start to finish. I know that's one of the reasons I didn't get it when it actually happened.

The Civil War style is much better, in my opinion. By making the tie-ins non-essential it allows me to choose which ones I care about. If I don't give a crap about Ms. Marvel (just an example, I'm not saying I hate her), I don't need to read her tie-ins.

If this is Quesada's doing, then I applaud him for it.

[Hi-Fi]

I don't know. I kinda miss big crossovers like Inferno and X-Tinction Agenda, that actually bring all books together for a while. It's fun.

[Canemacar]

This crossover is also supposed to have an effect on the greater Marvel Universe according to Carey.

[Frodo-X]

There's no doubt it is, but it can get expensive.

Of course, the flip side is that it's probably easier to organize for MARVEL and easier to follow for us. If it's one story, straight through, and all they have to do is split it up, that's simple. The complication of Civil War is that you're never sure when each book is occuring. Is it during #4, between #2 and #3, between two panels on page 6.....it can be a headache.

I like them both, really, but I think the massive, straight through, AoA-style should only be done every few years to make it easier on the fans' wallets.

[Omega Alpha]

I don't know. I kinda miss big crossovers like Inferno and X-Tinction Agenda, that actually bring all books together for a while. It's fun.

You can bring the books together with a main event and them being tie-ins. And it's even disrespectful to have to buy or read 20, 30 or 40 issues for one story. Plus, of course, all of them telling the same story limits creativity. For example, Brubaker in Cap. America advanced his plot while still involved with Civil War, he would never be able to do that if he had just to continue the main one.

[Frodo-X]

This crossover is also supposed to have an effect on the greater Marvel Universe according to Carey.

Is he doing it, or did he just say that in an interview?


'Cause if Carey is writing it I might just start doing a happy dance today!

[Frodo-X]

Plus, of course, all of them telling the same story limits creativity. For example, Brubaker in Cap. America advanced his plot while still involved with Civil War, he would never be able to do that if he had just to continue the main one.

That's a very good point, and one I hadn't thought of. Marvel may reap many benefits from this, because they tell the current story alongside the crossover story. When the crossover ends, you may be convinced to keep getting the book to find out what happens with the rest of it, whereas the straight-through method eliminates this and when the crossover ends, you know nothing of what the book will be doing and can easily drop it.

This reason alone may convince Marvel to never do the old style again.

[xakko]

i think "smaller" cross-overs, like Mutant Massacre, Fall of the Mutants and even Inferno were reasonable. Something like Onslaught just got too bloated for the average comic buyer

[Hi-Fi]

You can bring the books together with a main event and them being tie-ins. And it's even disrespectful to have to buy or read 20, 30 or 40 issues for one story. Plus, of course, all of them telling the same story limits creativity. For example, Brubaker in Cap. America advanced his plot while still involved with Civil War, he would never be able to do that if he had just to continue the main one.

But it's fun to see the bunch of X-Men characters interacting. A crossover like Civil War make all the books have a common theme. I want to see the characters interacting, though.

I want to see The Conquistador visiting X-Factor Investigations. I wanna see Havok talking to Jamie, Dazzler renewing her friendship with Rogue, stuff like that.:cool:

[Hi-Fi]

i think "smaller" cross-overs, like Mutant Massacre, Fall of the Mutants and even Inferno were reasonable. Something like Onslaught just got too bloated for the average comic buyer

I agree here. I wanna see this crossover only between the X-Books, just like the old ones were.

[Canemacar]

Is he doing it, or did he just say that in an interview?


'Cause if Carey is writing it I might just start doing a happy dance today!

I'm pretty sure he is. The Sinister thing is supposed to be happening primarily in Adjectiveless.

[Tobias March]

This crossover is also supposed to have an effect on the greater Marvel Universe according to Carey.

Drawing all this together, might this be an attempt by Sinister to kickstart mutantcy again to further his own goals?

[Canemacar]

Drawing all this together, might this be an attempt by Sinister to kickstart mutantcy again to further his own goals?

House of E(ssex)? Carey HAS said that Gambit's relation to Sinister will be explored afterall.

[Hi-Fi]

I'm pretty sure he is. The Sinister thing is supposed to be happening primarily in Adjectiveless.

I don't think there'll be a core mini, written by a particular writer. I think that it will be someting going on in all X-Books, one of them written by Mike, of course. I'm pretty sure Ed Brubaker and the new Astonishing writer (whoever that is) will be ploting this thing as well.


Oh, and Chris Yost and Craig Kyle said that the New X-Men will be right in the middle of it and will play a big part.

[Nyssane]

Hopefully if it is about Mr. Sinister, they'll put some good use to all the Marauders (Scalphunter, Prism, Arclight, Scrambler) who kept their powers after Decimation.

[Faded]

I, too, would like to see more crossovers smaller and between the X-Books. The characters on each team have so much history that, like Hi-Fi said, would be interesting stories rather than something that will be some global scale catastrophe...yet again.

[Hi-Fi]

Hopefully if it is about Mr. Sinister, they'll put some good use to all the Marauders (Scalphunter, Prism, Arclight, Scrambler) who kept their powers after Decimation.

I asked Mike about the Marauders appearing in the event and he said he couldn't comment yet. :evilsmile

[Frodo-X]

I'm pretty sure he is. The Sinister thing is supposed to be happening primarily in Adjectiveless.

*joygasm*

I asked Mike about the Marauders appearing in the event and he said he couldn't comment yet.:evilsmile

*joygasm* again

If the Nasty Boys show up too, I shall faint.

[Faded]

I don't think there'll be a core mini, written by a particular writer. I think that it will be someting going on in all X-Books, one of them written by Mike, of course. I'm pretty sure Ed Brubaker and the new Astonishing writer (whoever that is) will be ploting this thing as well.


Oh, and Chris Yost and Craig Kyle said that the New X-Men will be right in the middle of it and will play a big part.

I can see someone like Sinister wanting someone like Elixir or Elixir's new lease on life leading to hook up with Quicksilver.

[Kaos]

Oh my god....crossover with sinister..sick sick sick

[Frodo-X]

Oh my god....crossover with sinister..sick sick sick

Before anyone asks, he means sick in a good way.

[xakko]

The other issue with mega-crossovers is that if there is a global threat, you have to explain why any excluded heroes aren't there.

With characters like the Sentry around, X-men level abilities are far overshadowed. Where was he in Blood of Apocalypse, anyway?

[Canemacar]

I wonder if BoA was so badly done because it was trying to set up things for the crossover instead of trying to tell a good story.

And I wonder if Sinister is going to get a new look for his comeback. The tattered cape thing is a bit dated.

[Nyssane]

If the Nasty Boys show up too, I shall faint.

Ditto. I think they should just assimilate the cool Nasty Boys (Ruckus, Gorgeous George) in with the Marauders. And obviously, Ruckus needs a new, cute homolicious outfit.

If anyone can do the Marauders some well-deserved justice, though, it'll be Carey. I cringe when I think about their appearances after Inferno.

[Kaos]

Before anyone asks, he means sick in a good way.

thank you translator

[Omega Alpha]

But it's fun to see the bunch of X-Men characters interacting. A crossover like Civil War make all the books have a common theme. I want to see the characters interacting, though.

I want to see The Conquistador visiting X-Factor Investigations. I wanna see Havok talking to Jamie, Dazzler renewing her friendship with Rogue, stuff like that.:cool:

You could do that without making any big crossover.

Plus, like i said, it makes it very hard for storylines. That was the reason why PAD left X-factor in 1993, and why many writers refused to work on X-titles. Morrison only accepted after Marvel promised not do it anymore. And some other writers, like Bendis, already said that they refuse to do this kind of thing, so you would drive away great writers. Just do a mini with tie-ins, it's better for everybody.

[streator]

any links?

i hadn't heard of this before.

[Omega Alpha]

any links?

i hadn't heard of this before.

To whom specifically? For PAD is even on his Wikipedia page. I read Bendis commenting that on the Powers #1 (or 2) letters page, i don't remember where i read about Morrison, but it's kind of obvious, since he did have close to zero editorial interference.

[jawbreaker]

any links?

i hadn't heard of this before.

yeah, I only heard about them doing something with Sinister but not this whole crossover stuff...

I wonder if it continues what happened at the end of BOA with Apocalypse & Sinister/Remy/Sunfire:confused:

and if Apoc is involved in anyway could they please tell us whats going on with Chamber..they still left his deal hanging from New Excal 9...:confused::confused:

[The Sword Is Drawn]

House of E(ssex)? Carey HAS said that Gambit's relation to Sinister will be explored afterall.

Maybe he'll go back to Claremont's original plan for the characters...? :) Now that really would piss off the Gambit fans! :D

Anyhow, when you say 'All' of the X-Titles I'm going to assume this will probably not include New Excalibur or Exiles.

[Leaper Queen]

Anyhow, when you say 'All' of the X-Titles I'm going to assume this will probably not include New Excalibur or Exiles.


I don't think it includes Exiles, but I think i might include X.F.I and New Excalibur.

Hopefully is will have some guest appearances of former X-Men like Husk, Archangel, T-Bird II and Lifeguard.

If it's all about Sinister I hope the Vertigo issue will be addressed. (being in Savage Land probably the originalversion). Same goes for Prism (Original in mental hostpital).

It also might get linked to what actually happened in Neverland and what happened to Cecilia Reyes, because he was the Doc. Mengele of Neverland.

[The Fury]

I prey it is all related to Toad, everything should relate to Toad.

[Sentinel K]

You could do that without making any big crossover.

Plus, like i said, it makes it very hard for storylines. That was the reason why PAD left X-factor in 1993, and why many writers refused to work on X-titles. Morrison only accepted after Marvel promised not do it anymore. And some other writers, like Bendis, already said that they refuse to do this kind of thing, so you would drive away great writers. Just do a mini with tie-ins, it's better for everybody.

Is that true?

I thought it was because Harras changed a chunk of dialogue at the end of #89 without David's knowledge.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Is that true?

I thought it was because Harras changed a chunk of dialogue at the end of #89 without David's knowledge.

Neither explanation would surprise me...

[Mariah]

Is that true?

I thought it was because Harras changed a chunk of dialogue at the end of #89 without David's knowledge.
I know Harras doing that was the reason Waid stopped doing Captain America.

[Hi-Fi]

Is that true?

I thought it was because Harras changed a chunk of dialogue at the end of #89 without David's knowledge.

He's right. PAD wasn't a fan of the big crossovers.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

The ONLY reasons I would want a crossover to involve Excalibur would be in order for a Wisdom>Pryde<Rasputin encounter. It has to happen, sooner or later.

I'd also be very interested to see how Cap and Wisdom would take to the news that they'd let Mystique into the X-Men. She killed Moira, for God's sake! Brian in particular would hold a grudge to that. And of course she's also kind of Nocturne's Grandma.

[The Fury]

I'd also be very interested to see how Cap and Wisdom would take to the news that they'd let Mystique into the X-Men. She killed Moira, for God's sake! Brian in particular would hold a grudge to that. And of course she's also kind of Nocturne's Grandma.
I'm surprised any of them let her in at all.

They have reasons and Milligans was not a good one, carey's has been though. But still, Xavier would not be happy, nor Jean.

[Hi-Fi]

I'm surprised any of them let her in at all.

They have reasons and Milligans was not a good one, carey's has been though. But still, Xavier would not be happy, nor Jean.

Xavier was the one that called Mystique to be his spy in her book. Right after she killed Moira. Jean is not around.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Xavier was the one that called Mystique to be his spy in her book. Right after she killed Moira.

Yeah, I never really bought into that. Trust the woman who killed somebody you loved? I wouldn't.

[The Fury]

Xavier was the one that called Mystique to be his spy in her book. Right after she killed Moira. Jean is not around.
Out of character in my view but if you remember, in said book, that Mystqiue denied killing Moira and harming Banshee.

Of course, you can't trust a woman such as Mystique so she obviously lied about that.


Back to the subject.

Toad...think about it.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Out of character in my view but if you remember, in said book, that Mystqiue denied killing Moira and harming Banshee.

Of course, you can't trust a woman such as Mystique so she obviously lied about that.


Back to the subject.

Toad...think about it.

I've been rooting for the reformed Toad to become a member of Excalibur, for a while. We've never seen him in his own country, to my knowledge...

[streator]

To whom specifically? For PAD is even on his Wikipedia page. I read Bendis commenting that on the Powers #1 (or 2) letters page, i don't remember where i read about Morrison, but it's kind of obvious, since he did have close to zero editorial interference.

sorry, i meant links to information pertaining to this supposed crossover, not your specific post.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Apocalypse had his 20th anniversity this year and next year will no doubt be "The Year of Sinister".

[Pro]

Apocalypse had his 20th anniversity this year

Blood of Apocalypse sucked as a birthday gift ...

[Cayman]

I hope it involves the return of Pyro.

[xakko]

Yeah, I never really bought into that. Trust the woman who killed somebody you loved? I wouldn't.

nor would i.

i still want to see an X-Factor/X-Men crossover, where Rahne guts Mystique.

she promised as such when she stopped Logan from doing it on the X-Jet returning from Muir.

[fishtaco]

i think "smaller" cross-overs, like Mutant Massacre, Fall of the Mutants and even Inferno were reasonable. Something like Onslaught just got too bloated for the average comic buyerHonestly, I'd rather not see any crossovers at all, even though Mutant Massacre and Fall of The Mutants were fantastic stories. If they do one with New Excalibur and/or Exiles involved, then I'd hope they'd just give a basic template of what's happening and let the books' creative teams do the rest, instead of the Bob Harras style where there's a straight forward, general story that continued from issue to issue to issue, like X-Cutioner's Song, X-Tinction Agenda (which I still liked), Fatal Attractions or The Twelve.

[xakko]

Honestly, I'd rather not see any crossovers at all, even though Mutant Massacre and Fall of The Mutants were fantastic stories. If they do one with New Excalibur and/or Exiles involved, then I'd hope they'd just give a basic template of what's happening and let the books' creative teams do the rest, instead of the Bob Harras style where there's a straight forward, general story that continued from issue to issue to issue, like X-Cutioner's Song, X-Tinction Agenda (which I still liked), Fatal Attractions or The Twelve.
I think "Mutant Massacre" is the ideal template. Each book had its own story, but there were cameos within the others.

And I agree that the writers should make their own story with guidelines. The sequential ordering is difficult to file away in my comic boxes- do I put the issue in with the regular title or in the crossover order?

Perhaps a mini could tie everything together?

While Astonishing is my favorite X-title (X-Factor is close), I do like them to acknowledge the presence of the other members. This relationships are very important to the characters.

[DDM]

I think "Mutant Massacre" is the ideal template. Each book had its own story, but there were cameos within the others.

And I agree that the writers should make their own story with guidelines. The sequential ordering is difficult to file away in my comic boxes- do I put the issue in with the regular title or in the crossover order?

Perhaps a mini could tie everything together?

While Astonishing is my favorite X-title (X-Factor is close), I do like them to acknowledge the presence of the other members. This relationships are very important to the characters.

The Mutant Massacre has an important purpose: The massacre of the Morlocks & the reprecussions it served in Uncanny X-Men, X-Factor & The New Mutants. Chris Claremont really did well in creating inventive villains such as the Marauders who really fif not give any reasons to kill the Marauders except they had to die on Mister Sinister's orders. The mystery made the massacre all the more mavolent.

However, a crossover for a crossover's sake is not substantial to sustain the crossover. House of M suffers from this idea.

[Omega Alpha]

I think "Mutant Massacre" is the ideal template. Each book had its own story, but there were cameos within the others.

And I agree that the writers should make their own story with guidelines. The sequential ordering is difficult to file away in my comic boxes- do I put the issue in with the regular title or in the crossover order?

Perhaps a mini could tie everything together?

While Astonishing is my favorite X-title (X-Factor is close), I do like them to acknowledge the presence of the other members. This relationships are very important to the characters.

But in Mutant Massacre, is maybe hard to understand all if you're not reading every issue. At best, i would rather see some like The Fall of the Mutants, with the same title and theme, but three different stories which can be read in any order and don't affect other titles. But, anyway, for me the standard is still one central story with tie-ins, you don't have to make crossover to bring the X-men or the MU together; see what Carey did in Supernovas, for example. Even Whedon had his team meeting the Fantastic Four.

[xgeek52]

summer events are expensive so i won't be doing them...

i did them all...some were good some were incrediable...

house of m really cured me of them...i'll wait for the trades...

[TimGunn]

I loved X-tinction agenda and X-cutioner's song, let's have more like that

[brundlefly]

Blood of Apocalypse sucked as a birthday gift ...

Heh, too right. He should ask for the receipt so that he can return it....

Frankly I hope they keep the 07 Sinister arc mainly under Carey's pen in X-MEN, with some cameos or ripple effects into the other books, kind of like Mutant Massacre. That way it will stay coherent and intelligent instead of it turning into an Onslaught-style debacle. I do like that the X-writers are all top-notch currently, with Carey, Brubaker, Whedon, and David, so there are no "weak links" like Austen or Milligan (whose other works I like, but his X-Men was really poor) in the event that it ends up being a 9 or 12 chapter affair that crosses over into each main book or even into X-Factor, like X-Cutioner's Song was structured. Essex is one of my favorite Marvel villains, so I really hope this turns out to be on par with his great role in Massacre and Inferno instead of being just another hyped-up but ultimately disappointing crossover event.

[Hi-Fi]

Wow, it's going to be HUGE!!!:eek:


From the latest Joe Friday's:

it's going to be pretty huge within the context of the X universe. The event will involve virtually everyone in the X-Men Universe. It will be structured as an old-school X-Men event, cutting across several titles over three months. The inciting incident will be huge, and its shock waves will be felt for years. Will it involve other Marvel characters, I can say for certain, but in it's early stages the answer is no.

[Canemacar]

Sinister is repowering mutants. I'm calling it.

[Hi-Fi]

Sinister is repowering mutants. I'm calling it.

Doh'. Not fair! Carey already said something about that. :p

[Canemacar]

I know, I read his blog. Nice guy.

[Hi-Fi]

So it will be three months (just like X-Tinction Agenda and X-Cutioner Song). It will involve for sure X-Men, New X-Men and probably Uncanny X-Men and X-Factor.

I wonder about Astonishing X-Men and Wolverine, though...

[Canemacar]

Doesn't Astonishing get a shake-up right before or during this crossover? That could mean the new team will tackle the crossover first thing, or sit it out and just start their run. Wolverine may depending on where Logan himself is at in the core books.

Apparently, Sinister is going to offer Cable his powers back as something of a "Deal with the Devil" and then Cable leaves Adjectiveless. This is also going to be the arc that Gambit returns and makes the appearance in Adjectiveless with a possibility of joining the cast after 203. His connection to Sinister will also be revealed according to Carey.

Question: Is Bru staying on Uncanny after this crossover? Or is he leaving at the end of the Shiar arc?

[Frodo-X]

Question: Is Bru staying on Uncanny after this crossover? Or is he leaving at the end of the Shiar arc?

I seem to recall reading that he'll be on for at least another year after the 12-parter is over. Might've been in Wizard....

[Hi-Fi]

Doesn't Astonishing get a shake-up right before or during this crossover? That could mean the new team will tackle the crossover first thing, or sit it out and just start their run. Wolverine may depending on where Logan himself is at in the core books.

I think you could be right about Astonishing. I think it will be on hiatus and the new creative team will begin just after the crossover, with Joss story ending before it.

Apparently, Sinister is going to offer Cable his powers back as something of a "Deal with the Devil" and then Cable leaves Adjectiveless. This is also going to be the arc that Gambit returns and makes the appearance in Adjectiveless with a possibility of joining the cast after 203. His connection to Sinister will also be revealed according to Carey.

That's all speculation, but I could see it. I think Sinister will offer to get the mutants their power back, and Cable will agree with him and maybe help him out. I also think #200-203 happens before the crossover, which means Gambit would only appear after #203. I'm not sure though.

Question: Is Bru staying on Uncanny after this crossover? Or is he leaving at the end of the Shiar arc?

Bru is staying.

[caney]

I think you could be right about Astonishing. I think it will be on hiatus and the new creative team will begin just after the crossover, with Joss story ending before it.

Maybe Carey can steal Scott, Hank, and Emma from the Astonishing squad during the X-over.

[Canemacar]

I think you could be right about Astonishing. I think it will be on hiatus and the new creative team will begin just after the crossover, with Joss story ending before it.

Makes sense that they would. A crossover is tough to do and for a team just starting out it can be crippling. I do expect the Astonishing cast themselves to make appearances though.

That's all speculation, but I could see it. I think Sinister will offer to get the mutants their power back, and Cable will agree with him and maybe help him out. I also think #200-203 happens before the crossover, which means Gambit would only appear after #203. I'm not sure though.

IIRC, Carey said that Gambit, when he reappears, it would be at the same time as Sinister and that the appearance would happen right after #200. He also said that Gambit was being considered for membership before the lineup becomes set after issue 203.

Bru is staying.

Great. :rolleyes:

[Hi-Fi]

Maybe Carey can steal Scott, Hank, and Emma from the Astonishing squad during the X-over.

Oh, he planned it very well.:cool:

Makes sense that they would. A crossover is tough to do and for a team just starting out it can be crippling. I do expect the Astonishing cast themselves to make appearances though.

For sure. There's no way a big X-Over wont have Cyclops, Emma and Wolverine.

IIRC, Carey said that Gambit, when he reappears, it would be at the same time as Sinister and that the appearance would happen right after #200. He also said that Gambit was being considered for membership before the lineup becomes set after issue 203.

So maybe the #200-203 arc is indeed the crossover arc. I'll ask him about it. He probably hate me already for asking absurd plot points questions. One more question wont make a diference. :o

Great. :rolleyes:

I like him. :)

[Canemacar]

The arc is supposed to be three issues according to the Joe Friday IIRC, and 200 is the start of something big according to Carey.

[Frodo-X]

I've been meaning to check out his blog.

What's the address again?

EDIT: Nevermind. I remembered.

[kate-pryde]

My guess is that this huge "inciting incident" will happen at the very end of Unstoppable in Astonishing.

The editors keep saying that Astonishing's Torn and Unstoppable arcs happen in a short period time sometime after Civil War and it will be clear when that is at the end of Unstoppable.

So, perhaps Cyclops' team returns from the Breakworld and BAM! something immediately happens when they get back. That provides a big opening for this crossover event, and Astonishing either goes on hiatus or a writer like Jeph Loeb comes in that's used to dealing with x-overs.

[Hi-Fi]

and Astonishing either goes on hiatus or a writer like Jeph Loeb comes in that's used to dealing with x-overs.

Good Lord, let's hope for the hiatus. ;)

[Omega Alpha]

Maybe Carey can steal Scott, Hank, and Emma from the Astonishing squad during the X-over.

If Sinister and Cable are involved heavily, Scott has to be too.

And i hope Loeb stays away from the X-books, Wolverine is good enough.

EDIT: I also hope that by "old-school summer crossover" he doesn't mean "you have to buy 300 books to read the whole story"

[Frodo-X]

My guess is that this huge "inciting incident" will happen at the very end of Unstoppable in Astonishing.

The editors keep saying that Astonishing's Torn and Unstoppable arcs happen in a short period time sometime after Civil War and it will be clear when that is at the end of Unstoppable.

So, perhaps Cyclops' team returns from the Breakworld and BAM! something immediately happens when they get back. That provides a big opening for this crossover event, and Astonishing either goes on hiatus or a writer like Jeph Loeb comes in that's used to dealing with x-overs.

The only problem I can see with this is that it would depend on Astonishing coming out on-schedule for the rest of the run; Something that has been quite difficult throughout, for one reason or another.

[Canemacar]

Ugh. Sinister needs to get awau from the Summers; they just drag him down when he gets pulled into their quagmire.

I can see Carey perhaps getting Beast, but the rest are too A-list for the new guy(who will definitely be a hotshot creator) to not use.

[MakeshiftHero]

Anyone think that maybe Chamber might appear, seeing that it has been revealed that he has strong ties to Apoc. and Sinister and him have usualy been paired up/worked together in the past. Hopefuly Sinister can fix Jono's stupid looking apoc. face and restore Jono's powers, psi speech, and give him that chest plate that he had in Weapon X, so he can go back to being how he was before M day.

[Frodo-X]

Ugh. Sinister needs to get awau from the Summers; they just drag him down when he gets pulled into their quagmire.

I can see Carey perhaps getting Beast, but the rest are too A-list for the new guy(who will definitely be a hotshot creator) to not use.

Works for me. Hank is the main one I want to see Carey get.

In part because Carey writes him so well, in part because Carey loves him, and in part because I want him to be on a team with Iceman.

[kate-pryde]

The only problem I can see with this is that it would depend on Astonishing coming out on-schedule for the rest of the run; Something that has been quite difficult throughout, for one reason or another.

Yes, but the latest delays to Astonishing have been due to editorial problems. Nick Lowe said that Marts leaving was to blame, and Whedon claimed it was due to "the marketplace" (whatever that is). Whedon seems more upset about the delays than anyone.

Whedon and Cassaday claim they're on schedule. If that's true, then there's no reason issues shouldn't come out on time and they should have books finished well in advance with the extra time.

If Axel Alonso came in and decided to do this big event, then that could have affected the scheduling for Astonishing and the plans for when Whedon/Cassaday's run was finished.

But if this event is scheduled for summer or fall, and Astonishing does get behind and is still out in space, it's going to make it next to impossible to follow the continuity. Astonishing has to be on schedule, and I highly doubt they could do this event without Cyclops' team.

The crossover probably has to happen after Astonishing, since high profile writers have complained about writing stories like that and I can't see them asking Whedon to do it. But Joss has said he wished he got to write other characters, so I could see him being given the opportunity to do something with the entire team, if he wanted to. But the last Whedon/Cassaday issue will be a huge event, and capitalizing on something like that to lead-in to this other event wouldn't be a bad marketing strategy.

[Canemacar]

Works for me. Hank is the main one I want to see Carey get.

In part because Carey writes him so well, in part because Carey loves him, and in part because I want him to be on a team with Iceman.



I'd like it too; Rogue's team is in real need of some solid allies and every ship needs a good Dr. McCoy on it.

I wonder if he'll let Rogue call him Bones?

[Frodo-X]

"Darn it, Rogue, I'm a Doctor, not a cat! Oh, wait...."

[Flameworthy]

Oh wow, this is the first I've heard of this. I'm guessing this will be when Sunfire returns. OMG, I getting excited for this already, and now I can't wait. I needs me some more Sunfire goodness.

[Canemacar]

"Darn it, Rogue, I'm a Doctor, not a cat! Oh, wait...."


Iceman: Beam me up Scotty!

Cable: .....I hate you.

[Canemacar]

Oh wow, this is the first I've heard of this. I'm guessing this will be when Sunfire returns. OMG, I getting excited for this already, and now I can't wait. I needs me some more Sunfire goodness.

Yes, I think Carey has said Sunfire is tagging along to. Don't think he mentioned anything significant happening with him though.

[Flameworthy]

Yes, I think Carey has said Sunfire is tagging along to. Don't think he mentioned anything significant happening with him though.

I'm sure Carey has something up his sleeve. I would hate to see Sunfire in the background the whole time. Damn, when is Sunfire going to get his time to shine?:(

[Frodo-X]

Iceman: Beam me up Scotty!

Cable: .....I hate you.

Rogue: I've......got to......find....a way....to....touch someone!

How else....can I seduce........every.....blue mutant I...come across?!

[Canemacar]

Iceman: Why am I wearing a red shirt?

[Faded]

I'm actually excited! :o

[Flameworthy]

I'm actually excited! :o

It better be because of Sunfire.*shakes fist* :p

[Hi-Fi]

OK, Let's gather some clues:

I can tell you that you will want to read X-Men Annual if you're interested in all things X-Men. [Laughs] And X-Men #200 is absolutely not to be missed. That will be the start of something that will change the X-Men line.

And then X-Men #200 is a whole new ballgame. It's a totally different sport. [Laughs] I think fans of the X-Men from long ago, when I was reading every single month, are really going to enjoy it.

Question:What X-Men (current or former) are in the plans to appear in X-Factor in the near future?
Andy Schmidt: Amost all of them. [Laughs] Pretty much. X-Factor will be more integrated into the X-universe as a whole, but not at the detriment of the film noir feel of the book. The X-Men will be popping up down the road. Quite a lot of them. [Laughs]

There’re rumblings of a big X-event coming in ’07. Will we see the New X-Men kids embroiled in that?
Kyle: You bet your ass they will.
Yost: They'll be right in the middle of it.
Kyle: They're not getting left home to wait for the adults to come back. They're gonna kick some ass on their own. To keep these kids out there and give them a fair chance, they've gotta be in the fight. They can't be waiting for their rides out into the middle of the battlefield.
We're thrilled to be a part of this and it's exciting. It's not like these kids don't screw up. We love that they're the unpolished heroes and do make a lot of mistakes, but they've gotta be in there swinging with the best of them. Otherwise, they're just sidekicks.
Yost: It's a huge story and the kids are gonna be in over their heads and that's just the way we like it.

Cable is going to have higher priorities soon. I think six months from now he’ll be having to review his loyalties and obligations very seriously.

the annual has one crucial reveal in it (related to M-day) that’s going to be very relevant for the arc that starts in #200. And that arc in turn sets up some stuff that will have a wider importance. We’re going to be looking at exactly to what extent Wanda’s edict changed the world, and what it means for the X-Men and the human race when the real consequences are finally recognised.

[Mariah]

I loved X-tinction agenda and X-cutioner's song, let's have more like that
Inferno and X-Tinction Agenda were the two best crossovers the mutant titles have ever done. With X-Cutioner's song, and Phalanx coming in a close third and fourth. Mutant Massacre was a really good read, but I wouldn't really consider it a crossover, as the main characters didn't really crossover into the other books.

[Mariah]

The only problem I can see with this is that it would depend on Astonishing coming out on-schedule for the rest of the run; Something that has been quite difficult throughout, for one reason or another.
Psst, I'll give you a little hint (Whedon and Cassaday's highly overrated run, and they are both slow as two old people humping.) Hope I didn't ruin it for you.

[Titan76]

Well this is the first time I have heard of an X-crossover happening again. I have to be honest even though I love Sinister I can't say I am too thrilled about him being in a huge crossover since I haven't like any Marvel crossover in a looonnnnngggg time. I was hoping he would make his return in one book and in a short story that would let it build up from there. This sort of smells like the Apocalypse event that happen this year only its bigger which means it can suck even more then Apocalypse's story.

I trying not to judge this before its out but I don't have any confidence in Carey since I don't care for his work and I haven't read Brubaker's run yet because I haven't had the time lately but will soon, so I will hold taking about him until I do.

By what I have read on this thread so far the crossover looks even more dumb to me. I could care less about the Gambit/Sinister connection. Fifteen years ago it seem like a cool idea but now to me its a fat dead horse that writers just need to leave it alone already. Fans got what they wanted out of that connection in Claremont's the End series and I say just keep it there.

And if Carey has Cable joining Sinister for whatever reason then the story is over for me. This is just like him having Mystique and Sabretooth joining the X-men for so and so reasons and the X-men letting them in, really stupid imo.

I am also saddened that Marvel still will not bring in the Fantastic Four into any of Sinister's plans. I don't understand why that don't have him go after Franklin or Val, hell Franklin was the first person on Onslaught's "MUST have lists" but not even consider for Sinister's?

Anyways I will wait for more info. on this before I make any more comments.

[Brian M.]

I miss those crossovers that gave the dramatic feel. I don't feel the urgency or anything when it comes to these Crossovers. Civil War is sorta giving that to me. But I miss stuff like X-Tinction Agenda, X-Cutioner's Song hell even Fatal Attractions was a good one. Legion Quest gave us that too and so did AOA. I want that feeling that not all the X-Men will make it out alive.

[drwho]

I really miss old school crossovers like Inferno and Acts of Vengeance where there didnt seem to be confusion and everything seemed a lot more organized. Even the marvel hero tie ins to Inferno I thought were pretty good and showed what was going on.

[streator]

OK, Let's gather some clues:

man, andy schmidt sure laughs a lot in interviews [laughs].

[Hi-Fi]

By what I have read on this thread so far the crossover looks even more dumb to me. I could care less about the Gambit/Sinister connection. Fifteen years ago it seem like a cool idea but now to me its a fat dead horse that writers just need to leave it alone already. Fans got what they wanted out of that connection in Claremont's the End series and I say just keep it there.

And if Carey has Cable joining Sinister for whatever reason then the story is over for me. This is just like him having Mystique and Sabretooth joining the X-men for so and so reasons and the X-men letting them in, really stupid imo.




All in read in this thread is pure fan speculation, so don't judge this yet.

[Omega Alpha]

Again, i really, really hope this is not like the 80's or 90's X-crossovers. I hope that there is a main series, with the X-books as tie-ins. The old model limits artistic freedom a lot, and is only a matter of time before PAD and other writers begin to leave the books.

[Tre Styles]

There was something in Bishop's future history books that he referred to as "The Summer's Rebellion" It was never very clear when this happened and with some of those clues Hi posted, makes me think that this might be the start of that event. But then again...

[Omega Alpha]

There was something in Bishop's future history books that he referred to as "The Summer's Rebellion" It was never very clear when this happened and with some of those clues Hi posted, makes me think that this might be the start of that event. But then again...

It was an idea of CC, which was dropped when Morrison took over New X-men, and had control of Scott and Jean. One of the few of his abandoned plots that are actually very good.

[Brian M.]

It was an idea of CC, which was dropped when Morrison took over New X-men, and had control of Scott and Jean. One of the few of his abandoned plots that are actually very good.

Yes this is actually a plot I wish would have happened. I still have hope it might some day.

[Omega Alpha]

Yes this is actually a plot I wish would have happened. I still have hope it might some day.

I don't think anyone wants to revive Stryfe, and with Nate Grey and Jean "dead", it's very unlikely.

[Brian M.]

I don't think anyone wants to revive Stryfe, and with Nate Grey and Jean "dead", it's very unlikely.

We could always adapt. Although I'd want Jean back...screw Emma.

[Beast]

We could always adapt. Although I'd want Jean back...screw Emma.
Scott does. Often times nightly. :D

[Omega Alpha]

Scott does. Often times nightly. :D

You stole my joke:mad:

Kidding, no one could resist it, i feel your pain:D

[Brian M.]

Scott does. Often times nightly. :D

Yea but they leave that blue cat outside, don't want him shedding on the bed.

[JoshuaB]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Carey
the annual has one crucial reveal in it (related to M-day) that’s going to be very relevant for the arc that starts in #200. And that arc in turn sets up some stuff that will have a wider importance. We’re going to be looking at exactly to what extent Wanda’s edict changed the world, and what it means for the X-Men and the human race when the real consequences are finally recognised.




Did the annual already come out? If so, does anyone know what the big reveal was about M-Day?

[Brian M.]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Carey
the annual has one crucial reveal in it (related to M-day) that’s going to be very relevant for the arc that starts in #200. And that arc in turn sets up some stuff that will have a wider importance. We’re going to be looking at exactly to what extent Wanda’s edict changed the world, and what it means for the X-Men and the human race when the real consequences are finally recognised.




Did the annual already come out? If so, does anyone know what the big reveal was about M-Day?

Not yet. Soon. Month or so I believe.

[caney]

Did the annual already come out?

No, the annual is due out on 1/31/07. You can read the solicitation here (http://www.marvel.com/catalog/X-men%20Annual).

Edit: I'm a litte slow...

[Beast]

Did the annual already come out? If so, does anyone know what the big reveal was about M-Day?
I assume it's the reveal about future mutant births, whether they're possible now after the wake of M-Day. Joe Quesada said back when M-Day happened that we'd find out about that aspect of things down the road. If they find out that there can't be any more mutants ever thanks to Wanda, that's going to be a major blow to the dwindling numbers. Especially if the only way of actually ensuring further mutant births is the breeding of two mutants. Either that or it relates to the truth coming out about what Wanda did.

Remember, from what we've seen... not all of the X-Men or related splinter teams are aware or have been told that it was Scarlet Witch that caused all this. And the general public doesn't know it either. This being the big reveal sorta makes sense with Maria Hill recently discovering that the X-Men and Avengers have been keeping it hush hush to protect mutants. And X-Factor finding out and blasting the X-Men for not telling them. And the Depowered Mutant Group that will be showing up in PAD's X-Factor.

[Titan76]

Again, i really, really hope this is not like the 80's or 90's X-crossovers. I hope that there is a main series, with the X-books as tie-ins. The old model limits artistic freedom a lot, and is only a matter of time before PAD and other writers begin to leave the books.
The old model and new one aren't that much different. When HoM was going on Peter David was doing the Hulk and didn't want to tie it into HoM but was told by the editors that if he didn't do it then they would get someone else that would. So Peter David chose instead to do it then rather then having another writer coming in and possibility doing a crappy job.

And Peter David left X-Factor for many reasons, the crossovers the X-universe had every year was kinda of one of them but not really the main one or the only one.

[Omega Alpha]

The old model and new one aren't that much different. When HoM was going on Peter David was doing the Hulk and didn't want to tie it into HoM but was told by the editors that if he didn't do it then they would get someone else that would. So Peter David chose instead to do it then rather then having another writer coming in and possibility doing a crappy job.

And Peter David left X-Factor for many reasons, the crossovers the X-universe had every year was kinda of one of them but not really the main one or the only one.

If i want to follow Civil War, i can buy only 7 issues. If i wanted to follow Onslaught, i had to buy 48. Not only that, this current model gives a chance for writers to advance their plots and develop their characters while still connected to the main story; Cap. America and X-factor, for example, did it.

[Titan76]

If i want to follow Civil War, i can buy only 7 issues. If i wanted to follow Onslaught, i had to buy 48. Not only that, this current model gives a chance for writers to advance their plots and develop their characters while still connected to the main story; Cap. America and X-factor, for example, did it.
Wrong. While Onslaught was a Universe wide crossover it only had 4 or 5 major tie-in books that you had to read and they were only a two issue story arc, totally a 8/10 issue crossover which is pretty much a series.

They were: Ucanny X-men, adj. X-men, Avengers, Fantastic Four, and I think Cable. The others books were stories that involved how the character in their book was reacting to the saga but was not important in the big picture.

Example: Spider-Man. While his book was part of the Onslaught saga you didn't need to read it in order to understand everything that was going on. This example could go with your Cap. America one.

[Faded]

I miss those crossovers that gave the dramatic feel. I don't feel the urgency or anything when it comes to these Crossovers. Civil War is sorta giving that to me. But I miss stuff like X-Tinction Agenda, X-Cutioner's Song hell even Fatal Attractions was a good one. Legion Quest gave us that too and so did AOA. I want that feeling that not all the X-Men will make it out alive.

You really should start liking lower tier characters. They'll probably not make stuff out alive. Trust me, I know. :(

[Mariah]

Again, i really, really hope this is not like the 80's or 90's X-crossovers. I hope that there is a main series, with the X-books as tie-ins. The old model limits artistic freedom a lot, and is only a matter of time before PAD and other writers begin to leave the books.
I'm of the mind that it should be in the main titles, because then it at least shows impact on the characters while such things are happening. A good writer can pull it off, and still not have it affect their plans too much, ala Brubaker doing a civil war tie in in Cap while still moving the plot of his own story as well.

[Flameworthy]

I'm of the mind that it should be in the main titles, because then it at least shows impact on the characters while such things are happening. A good writer can pull it off, and still not have it affect their plans too much, ala Brubaker doing a civil war tie in in Cap while still moving the plot of his own story as well.

I love your multicolored text.:o

[Mariah]

I love your multicolored text.:o
Thanks, papi! I'm doing it in the same color scheme as Pixie's wings.

[Canemacar]

Must be a pain in the ass though.

[Brian M.]

You really should start liking lower tier characters. They'll probably not make stuff out alive. Trust me, I know. :(

But you see that's why I don't. I mean look how I am w/ Jean. I started to like say all the ones ya'll did and they died I'd probably walk into traffic.

[Brian M.]

I love your multicolored text.:o

After the first couple of seizures you learn to love it too.

[Flameworthy]

Thanks, papi! I'm doing it in the same color scheme as Pixie's wings.

You know what I love even more? Being your Papi chulo, mi amore.:D

After the first couple of seizures you learn to love it too.

lol I can see how that can happen if you stare at it for too long.:p

[d newton]

Although I'd want Jean back.
Ever heard of "dead means dead"? *sigh*

[Canemacar]

Ever heard of "dead means dead"? *sigh*

Which lasted all of what? Three months?

[BloodRedSandman]

I hope it's good. I love the X-books more than any other, but their crossovers have been hit or miss in the past.
Ditto. Like I can not say that I have been rather impressed with the cross over since AoA. And even AoA could of been a lot better.

[Omega Alpha]

Ever heard of "dead means dead"? *sigh*

Have you ever heard of "White Hot Room means White Hot Room"?:D

[cable guy]

I miss those crossovers that gave the dramatic feel. I don't feel the urgency or anything when it comes to these Crossovers. Civil War is sorta giving that to me. But I miss stuff like X-Tinction Agenda, X-Cutioner's Song hell even Fatal Attractions was a good one. Legion Quest gave us that too and so did AOA. I want that feeling that not all the X-Men will make it out alive.

I hope Civil War will start to have an epic feel to it... because right now it doesn't. And that's scary, because this is kinda a big event.

[Mariah]

Must be a pain in the ass though.
A little bit, but I don't mind. I don't spend much time on here anymore, so it's not like it's taking a huge chunk of my time away. And back on topic...More mutant crossovers ala X-Tinction Agenda. It's been, what? 8-9 years where you had to get books you didn't already get just to understand the whole story? I think the last one was The Twelve, and even then, it could be argued it didn't run through all of the books. There's nothing wrong with a little more cohesion in the X-Books, or Marvel books at all.

[Hi-Fi]

I'm personally really looking foward to this. Like Mariah said, it's been a while since we had a crossover where the story continues from book to book. I think the last one we had like that was X-Cutioner Song (with X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, X-Factor and X-Force involved).

Here's why I'm antecipating this: it will bring more cohesion to the X-Universe, and provide interactions between characters that wouldn't interact normally or that should be interacting more (ex-New Mutants, Rahne/Mystique, etc...)

It will also bring all X-Books to the same place in continuity, making it much more easier to place the stories before in continuity and follow the stories that'll start from this.

Also, it will only be three months, the perfect duration, if you ask me. It wont have the risk of dragging too much (like some would say about Civil War), but it will have the suficient ammount to make a memorable little saga.

Plus, with writers like Carey, PAD, Bry and C&C...

Yeah, I'm definetly looking foward to this.

[Sentinel K]

Yeah sounds good. There hasn't been an old-school crossover while I've been reading singles so I'm looking forward to it a lot.

[Omega Alpha]

I'm personally really looking foward to this. Like Mariah said, it's been a while since we had a crossover where the story continues from book to book. I think the last one we had like that was X-Cutioner Song (with X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, X-Factor and X-Force involved).

Here's why I'm antecipating this: it will bring more cohesion to the X-Universe, and provide interactions between characters that wouldn't interact normally or that should be interacting more (ex-New Mutants, Rahne/Mystique, etc...)

It will also bring all X-Books to the same place in continuity, making it much more easier to place the stories before in continuity and follow the stories that'll start from this.

Also, it will only be three months, the perfect duration, if you ask me. It wont have the risk of dragging too much (like some would say about Civil War), but it will have the suficient ammount to make a memorable little saga.

Plus, with writers like Carey, PAD, Bry and C&C...

Yeah, I'm definetly looking foward to this.

So, that means that all the writers will have to drop completely their plots in benefit of one big story and the books will lose their identity, becoming just "the one which you have to read after the other"? Great:rolleyes:

If Marvel really does that, it's a shot in the foot, will be throwing away one of the best things that Quesada did at Marvel, and will be return to the 90's; i'm pretty sure it's only a matter of time before we have one every year, and writers begin to jump ship.

[Sentinel K]

So, that means that all the writers will have to drop completely their plots in benefit of one big story and the books will lose their identity, becoming just "the one which you have to read after the other"? Great:rolleyes:

If Marvel really does that, it's a shot in the foot, will be throwing away one of the best things that Quesada did at Marvel, and will be return to the 90's; i'm pretty sure it's only a matter of time before we have one every year, and writers begin to jump ship.

Worked fine for the Inferno and X-Tinction Agenda.

[Canemacar]

So, that means that all the writers will have to drop completely their plots in benefit of one big story and the books will lose their identity, becoming just "the one which you have to read after the other"? Great:rolleyes:

If Marvel really does that, it's a shot in the foot, will be throwing away one of the best things that Quesada did at Marvel, and will be return to the 90's; i'm pretty sure it's only a matter of time before we have one every year, and writers begin to jump ship.

Actually, the thing is scheduled to happen right after most of the core books(I'm not sure about the fringe ones) finish an arc. Astonishing will either wrap up it's Unstoppable thing or sit it out due to delays, UNcanny will end the Shi'ar story, and Carey wraps up his Condition Critical(IIRC) arc.

[Flameworthy]

I wasn't into comics, or old enough to read any of the previous crossovers when they came. I've collected the The Twelve, and most of AoA, but that's about it. I have some issues of the the other crossovers, but I never went out of my way to collect all the issues. Aside from the obvious (Sunfire) I think this is another reason why I'm so excited for this crossover. It'll be my first X-Over, and I'm might even be willing to shell out the money to get all the issues if it's hyped up enough and the storyline looks good.

[Frodo-X]

At this point, I'm pretty much guaranteed to be buying the whole thing (barring lack of money). Sinister, Gambit, Sunfire (assumed), all the X-characters getting involved, written by Carey (among others)....

I'M IN!!!:D

[Hi-Fi]

So, that means that all the writers will have to drop completely their plots in benefit of one big story and the books will lose their identity, becoming just "the one which you have to read after the other"? Great:rolleyes:


That's a problem for the writers to deal. As a reader, I'll be sure to have some fun while reading it.

Also Mike Carey, Chris Yost and Craig Kyle all said they are pretty excited with this event.

[CE_Rap]

I'm too much of a Gambit fan not to check it out. ANd Sinister is my next favorite villian after Magneto (though I don't like considering Magneto a *villian*)

This shit with Gambit needs to be resolved and I hope this is where it happens.

[Canemacar]

According to Carey, this is where we get closure from BoA and Gambit's relation to Sinister will be pinned down for good. Theres also a possibility of Gambit playing a large role in the events and maybe joining Carey's team.

[Omega Alpha]

That's a problem for the writers to deal. As a reader, I'll be sure to have some fun while reading it.

Also Mike Carey, Chris Yost and Craig Kyle all said they are pretty excited with this event.

So, compromise quality and identity of the books is OK to you?

And, if you were in their place, would you say you're not excited about the event? After all, if they said they don't, Joe Q could easily put them out of the job.

Worked fine for the Inferno and X-Tinction Agenda.

When we had two writers in control of all X-books, which were only three. Now, we have 4 only with X-men on the title, plus X-factor, and not to mention Cable & Deadpool and the two solo titles of Wolverine (if they are involved), all by different writers, with very different feels, very different storylnes, etc. Imagine if Civil War was a 300 part story which went from book to book. I don't see how can a story fron New X-men continue in X-factor and then move to Cable & Deadpool and from there to Astonishing, etc, without compromise all the books.

Plus, you know, only one main book with tie ins make everything better to follow and easier on the pockets.

[Faded]

I hope Pulse will be featured in X-Men during this time. :o

[CaptainCanada]

I wasn't into comics, or old enough to read any of the previous crossovers when they came.
Me neither.

I get all of the core X-titles (except Adjectiveless) anyway (although if NEX is included, I'll have to pick up that too), so it won't be a significant financial drain.

[Frodo-X]

When we had two writers in control of all X-books, which were only three. Now, we have 4 only with X-men on the title, plus X-factor, and not to mention Cable & Deadpool and the two solo titles of Wolverine (if they are involved), all by different writers, with very different feels, very different storylnes, etc. Imagine if Civil War was a 300 part story which went from book to book. I don't see how can a story fron New X-men continue in X-factor and then move to Cable & Deadpool and from there to Astonishing, etc, without compromise all the books.


I'm guessing Wolverine might be involved, but Origins shouldn't. There's no reason that Origins should ever tie into anything going on in seperate books. It's completely unrelated.

My guess for involved titles:
X-men
New X-men
Uncanny X-men
Cable & Deadpool
X-Factor

Maybe:
Wolverine
Astonishing X-men (depends on if Whedon's done yet)
New Excalibur

Not:
Origins
eXiles

[Beast]

At this point, I'm pretty much guaranteed to be buying the whole thing (barring lack of money). Sinister, Gambit, Sunfire (assumed), all the X-characters getting involved, written by Carey (among others)....

I'M IN!!!:D
Word. Looking forward to it as well. And if they do as Mike Marts once said and tie-in the Gambit/Sinister connection, I'll be really really pleased. After the hints in BoA that it was 616 fact, it's about time. :)

[Canemacar]

Word. Looking forward to it as well. And if they do as Mike Marts once said and tie-in the Gambit/Sinister connection, I'll be really really pleased. After the hints in BoA that it was 616 fact, it's about time. :)

Gambit isn't a clone if thats what you're thinking. Claremont and Marvel have both said that everything in The End is non-canon and "heritage" doesn't really apply so much to one's clone(or siblings/people of the same generation) as it does to one's ancestors. If anything, we can expect Sinister to be his father.

[Hi-Fi]

So, compromise quality and identity of the books is OK to you?

Oh, so you have read it already? I think judging quality so soon is a little radical. And if you re-read PAD's X-Factor suring X-Cutioner Song, you'll see that it didn't lose any of its identity. Plus I trust the writers involved.

When we had two writers in control of all X-books, which were only three. Now, we have 4 only with X-men on the title, plus X-factor, and not to mention Cable & Deadpool and the two solo titles of Wolverine (if they are involved), all by different writers, with very different feels, very different storylnes, etc. Imagine if Civil War was a 300 part story which went from book to book. I don't see how can a story fron New X-men continue in X-factor and then move to Cable & Deadpool and from there to Astonishing, etc, without compromise all the books.

But we don't know wich books will be involved yet. You're making assumptions just for the sake of proving your point. If the crossover sucks and fails as a entertaining story, I'll be the first to bow my head. Until that, though, I'm excited and antecipating it.

[caney]

I'M EXCITED FOR THIS. Yay!!!! :D

If this whole event kicks off with X-Men #200 that would put it's start around the end of June. BRING IT ON!!!!!!! :)

[Beast]

Gambit isn't a clone if thats what you're thinking. Claremont and Marvel have both said that everything in The End is non-canon and "heritage" doesn't really apply so much to one's clone(or siblings/people of the same generation) as it does to one's ancestors. If anything, we can expect Sinister to be his father.
Actually, you're wrong. The Head Editor at the time said that any of the flashback stuff is canon. Just like they did with Weapon X: Days of Future Now. And that the development would be addressed in the X-Books at some point. Anything set in the past in both books is canon unless a future retcon states otherwise.

[Canemacar]

Actually, you're wrong. Marvel said that any of the flashback stuff is canon. Just like they did with Weapon X: Days of Future Now. Anything set in the past in both books is supposedly canon unless a future retcon states otherwise.

Claremont has specificly said that anything in The End is strictly non-canon. Thats why he went ahead and linked Gambit to Sinister like that; as a homage to his original design. We can expect something similar to what we got in The End to leak over of course, but its not canon.

[Beast]

Claremont has specificly said that anything in The End is strictly non-canon. Thats why he went ahead and linked Gambit to Sinister like that; as a homage to his original design. We can expect something similar to what we got in The End to leak over of course, but its not canon.
Find a quote. Because he's never said that anywhere as a strict rule. And Marvel has already said that the plot development from The End will be dealt with in the X-Books at some point. It was even noted in the Blood of Apocalypse storyline. So we'll see which way it goes when Marvel addresses it.

[Frodo-X]

That is so unbelievably stupid!! Not the retcon about Gambit, that's kinda interesting, but the policy.

"Here's a completely hypothetical book on what could possibly be the end of the X-men. But the stuff it flashes back to that never happened; That all happened. It's true."

W.....T.....F?!

[Beast]

That is so unbelievably stupid!! Not the retcon about Gambit, that's kinda interesting, but the policy.

"Here's a completely hypothetical book on what could possibly be the end of the X-men. But the stuff it flashes back to that never happened; That all happened. It's true."

W.....T.....F?!
It's just how Marvel operates. If a storyline is based on current canon and set in the future, if they do flashback aspects of the story, they can be set in the actual 616 canon. :)

[Canemacar]

Find a quote. Because he's never said that anywhere as a strict rule. And Marvel has already said that the plot development from The End will be dealt with in the X-Books at some point. It was even noted in the Blood of Apocalypse storyline. So we'll see which way it goes when Marvel addresses it.

I don't have the quote, but I will point out that "heritage" refers to one's ancestors, not one's genetic "brother". That points towards the 'Sinister as Gambit's father' angel. And theres the fact that neither Gambit, nor Sinister's official bio pages at Marvel.com say ANYTHING about The End. Now I'd like to do the same and ask for YOUR quote.

[Frodo-X]

That's just psychotic! Are they deliberately trying to confuse people?!

Is it that hard to say "These books actually happened, these ones didn't"?

Certainly seems simpler than saying, "These books happened, these books mostly didn't happen, except for the parts that happened in the past, which is still the future, those happened just as much as the other books happened. But the rest didn't happen."





If it weren't for my horse.....

[Beast]

I don't have the quote, but I will point out that "heritage" refers to one's ancestors, not one's genetic "brother". That points towards the 'Sinister as Gambit's father' angel. And theres the fact that neither Gambit, nor Sinister's official bio pages at Marvel.com say ANYTHING about The End. Now I'd like to do the same and ask for YOUR quote.
Those bios are written by fans. Neither Mr. Sinister or Gambit have recieved and updated official Marvel Handbook bio in ages. But I have proof of one example of my argument. Sublime's recent bio in the handbooks included information from the Weapon X: Days of Future Now book, which takes place all in the future of an alternate reality... but the end does take place in the past of the 616 Universe. After Rachel sends Sublime back into the past of the 616. The same is supposed to be true of the flashback stuff from XMN: The End. :)

[Canemacar]

A few things:

1: While written by fans, those bios are checked and have to be approved before they're put up.

2: The site's bios are said to be "definitive" by Marvel themselves on thier site.

3: Both bios have had changes and correctons made only just today.

4: Sublime area is a messy retcon to begin with and it is likely a mistake was made all things considered.

5: Do you have an actual quote from Marvel?

[d newton]

Have you ever heard of "White Hot Room means White Hot Room"?
White Hot Room = Plot Induced Stupidity. :D

[Blackcat]

So what do we actually know for sure about the X-crossover so far?

[Titan76]

White Hot Room = Plot Induced Stupidity. :D
So does "Dead means Dead".:p

[Mariah]

So does "Dead means Dead".:p
Dead means "I'm taking a nap right now, see ya in a little while"

[Brian M.]

Dead means "I'm taking a nap right now, see ya in a little while"

She's not dead and she's still married to Cyclops. So says Marvel Bio's.

[Beast]

And everyone always beats the "Dead is Dead" into the ground. When it was never meant to be taken as firm as some people have. It's honestly a bit tiring to hear it come up.

[Canemacar]

And everyone always beats the "Dead is Dead" into the ground. When it was never meant to be taken as firm as some people have. It's honestly a bit tiring to hear it come up.

I agree and would go as far to say that if you really believed it in the first place, you're pretty damn naive.

[Red Lotus]

I don't have the quote, but I will point out that "heritage" refers to one's ancestors, not one's genetic "brother". That points towards the 'Sinister as Gambit's father' angel. And theres the fact that neither Gambit, nor Sinister's official bio pages at Marvel.com say ANYTHING about The End. Now I'd like to do the same and ask for YOUR quote.

The whole heritage thing can be very loosely interpreted. Even if I did think about Sinister, but that is just so easy that I also thought maybe Xavier or even Apocalypse himself. Maybe Sinister and Nova got it on and he's Xavier nephew.

[Mariah]

She's not dead and she's still married to Cyclops. So says Marvel Bio's.
I consider the White Hot Room a spa, and Cyke is being a evil bastard sleeping with the slutty teacher while she's on vacation. Of course, I can relate to the slutty teacher.:p

[Mikl C]

I hope it's something completely x-book wide, like AoA was. With a few minis thrown in :D
I'd buy them ALL.

[Mister Mets]

It's been a while, but this could be done well.

Some rules I'd have the X-offices follow.
1. No Astonishing X-Men tie-ins. That's a book that was always meant to be standalone, and should remain so.
2. No more than 4 books will be involved, and the creators should want to be involved. X-Men, Uncanny X-men, and New X-men is a good call.

[Faded]

I agree and would go as far to say that if you really believed it in the first place, you're pretty damn naive.

Then color me naive.

While I'm not one of them, many writers and fans alike don't like seeing resurrections of characters at all.

[Frodo-X]

Well, I like them. Not to excess, but I think they're necessary. Without them, you're left with two options:

1) Nobody dies. Ever. Any sort of threat is easily dismissed as there is no real danger to the characters.

2) Everybody dies. If you kill a character and they can't come back, you've lost that character. But you still need to get danger across in another arc, so you kill another character. Eventually, you run out of characters. Even if you create new ones to replace them, there's no guarantee anyone will care for them at all. Plus, every time you kill off a character, you lose that character's fans. Look at how many people on this board alone refuse to buy Marvel books because Jean is dead (yes, I know, White Hot Room, not dead, whatever).

The occasional death and resurrection plan is really the only feasible one. The trick is finding the right balance, which is something Marvel has admittedly had trouble with.

[Canemacar]

Then color me naive.

While I'm not one of them, many writers and fans alike don't like seeing resurrections of characters at all.

But characters being ressurected = money. Expecting a company to not try and capitalize on a character's popularity is naive.

[Omega Alpha]

Look at how many people on this board alone refuse to buy Marvel books because Jean is dead (yes, I know, White Hot Room, not dead, whatever).

Well, considering that sales have gone up, maybe they are not much, and Jean can stay in the Shining White Smoking Hot Danger Room forever and ever:D


1) Nobody dies. Ever. Any sort of threat is easily dismissed as there is no real danger to the characters.

The occasional death and resurrection plan is really the only feasible one. The trick is finding the right balance, which is something Marvel has admittedly had trouble with.

The characters can have danger without dying. I mean, no one doubts that Spidey is going to live, but there's still plenty of sense of danger to the character.

[Frodo-X]

I mean, no one doubts that Spidey is going to live, but there's still plenty of sense of danger to the character.

The characters around him can die, and have. Obviously I don't expect the lead character of a book to die unless the book is ending, but in a team book, the occasional death is, in my opinion, warranted.

[Faded]

But characters being ressurected = money. Expecting a company to not try and capitalize on a character's popularity is naive.

Does it? Marvel has new tricks up their sleeves to raise sales all the time. I thought it was entirely possible that they had found something new to cause the occasional raise on the charts.

Or that Marvel was actually going to discontinue gratuitous deaths where resurrections weren't going to be as necessary.

I thought that kind of change was possible.

[Brian M.]

It's been a while, but this could be done well.

Some rules I'd have the X-offices follow.
1. No Astonishing X-Men tie-ins. That's a book that was always meant to be standalone, and should remain so.
2. No more than 4 books will be involved, and the creators should want to be involved. X-Men, Uncanny X-men, and New X-men is a good call.

1) Yes that's good business, leave out the flagship top selling title in the big summer crossover. You do know Marvel is a business and these are their properties...right?

2) Uh-huh...but than there is Cable and Deadpool b/c you know Cable and X-Men are now joined. Wolverine...b/c well he's Wolverine...Lets not forget New Exaclibur and maybe Exiles...although I doubt Exiles will be a part of it.

[Brian M.]

Then color me naive.

While I'm not one of them, many writers and fans alike don't like seeing resurrections of characters at all.

Jean Grey is coming back...and she's bringing Preview with her.

[Frodo-X]

New Excalibur and eXiles are the only ones I can see not being involved. eXiles has no reason to be, and New Excalibur shouldn't either, unless it's some sort of global story that requires their attention.

[Brian M.]

I agree and would go as far to say that if you really believed it in the first place, you're pretty damn naive.

Now where's the fun in name calling? I mean really...I expected more from a Gambit fan...nm.

[Omega Alpha]

New Excalibur and eXiles are the only ones I can see not being involved. eXiles has no reason to be, and New Excalibur shouldn't either, unless it's some sort of global story that requires their attention.

Wolverine: Origins will not be involved either, or it shouldn't. Actually, the title shouldn't really exist.

[Frodo-X]

Wolverine: Origins will not be involved either, or it shouldn't. Actually, the title shouldn't really exist.

Oh, yeah, forgot to mention that one.

Can't blame me, though. The book itself is quite forgettable.

[Canemacar]

Now where's the fun in name calling? I mean really...I expected more from a Gambit fan...nm.

Who's name calling? I'm pointing out the obvious and using "you" in a non-specific way. But since you're obviously trying to start something, just read my sig, I haven't the time to bother with you.

[Frodo-X]

Who's name calling?

I think he's referring to you saying that people who believed 'dead means dead' were naive.

[Faded]

OMG you guys need to stop.

I accept being naive. I can make naive cute. ;)

[Canemacar]

I think he's referring to you saying that people who believed 'dead means dead' were naive.

I wasn't calling anyone names or insulting anyone. I was making an observation about people in general.

[Frodo-X]

OMG you guys need to stop.

I accept being naive. I can make naive cute. ;)

You GO girl!!

Yep. I'm officially too white and male to pull that off.:o

[Tinmansstory]

So is it safe to say we're assuming this X-over includes Cable, Apocolypse, Sinister, and Gambit? I think Marvel needs to decide what they want to do with Gambit, as they seemingly didn't when he became X-men Angel of death #3 (or is it 4?).


I started reading X-men at Fatal Attractions, and loved the Phalanx Covenant. Honestly? When the writing is done well, it's done well. AoA will remain one of my favorite stories of all time, including the X-Chronicles and the X-Universe mini, focusing on non-mutants like Gwen Stacy, Donald Blake, Ben Grimm and so forth versus the horseman Mihail Rasputin. X-overs need to be spaced out for reader's relief, but unifying the books has always been fun in the past.

[Frodo-X]

So is it safe to say we're assuming this X-over includes Cable, Apocolypse, Sinister, and Gambit? I think Marvel needs to decide what they want to do with Gambit, as they seemingly didn't when he became X-men Angel of death #3 (or is it 4?).

It's been confirmed that it will involve Sinister and Cable. I believe Gambit is confirmed as well. I've heard no mention of Apocalypse, though.


I started reading X-men at Fatal Attractions, and loved the Phalanx Covenant. Honestly? When the writing is done well, it's done well. AoA will remain one of my favorite stories of all time, including the X-Chronicles and the X-Universe mini, focusing on non-mutants like Gwen Stacy, Donald Blake, Ben Grimm and so forth versus the horseman Mihail Rasputin. X-overs need to be spaced out for reader's relief, but unifying the books has always been fun in the past.

AoA is indeed awesome, and if this new X-over is that good, I shall burst with glee!

[Canemacar]

Yes; Sinister and Cable have been confirmed by Carey to be in the crossover, and he's hinted that Gambit is going to play a rather sizeable role in it too. Apocalypse was last seen with the Celestials on some errand or something, so he won't be appearing this time.

[Blackcat]

Are all X-books meaning The 3 core titles, X-Factor, New X-Men, Excalibur and Exiles included in this crossover?

[Beast]

Are all X-books meaning The 3 core titles, X-Factor, New X-Men, Excalibur and Exiles included in this crossover?
We don't know yet what books will be included. Probably most of them. :)

[Polarity]

We don't know yet what books will be included. Probably most of them. :)

You think? Maybe you will feel a bit of the aftershocks in it. But not a full fledged cross over. Remember that the team featured in X-men will be leaving the Xavier Institute after X-men #194. And i don't know how connected X-factor could be in a story involving Sinister.

[Zombienorthstar]

I wish dead is dead woulda stuck.

[Pro]

And i don't know how connected X-factor could be in a story involving Sinister.

X-factor is trying to repower mutants, Quicksilver can repower mutants, sinister is a genetic scientist tinkering with mutant DNA, easy enough to see possible storyconnections.

[Mariah]

You GO girl!!

Yep. I'm officially too white and male to pull that off.:o
Snap your fingers and have your head weave. It'll push to being believeable, and make sure when you say girl, it sounds more like GIRRRL! and add a Please believe! at the end of it.

[Beast]

X-factor is trying to repower mutants, Quicksilver can repower mutants, sinister is a genetic scientist tinkering with mutant DNA, easy enough to see possible storyconnections.
Exactly. And we're also going to see the Ex-Mutants team show up, which could possibly be involved in the big crossover as well. Still hoping to see Dani Moonstar and Jubilee on that team. :)

[Titan76]

Well, considering that sales have gone up, maybe they are not much, and Jean can stay in the Shining White Smoking Hot Danger Room forever and ever:D
Well considering though too, sells were better when she was alive compare to now, so it could very well be true. But who knows.

Has Marvel said yet who will be the artist on Carey's book when this crossover happens or is Bachalo staying? I don't like Carey's writing that much but if there is new and good artist on the book I could then give it a chance.

[Zombienorthstar]

I don't like Carey's writing that much .

Blasphemous Kidding

[Titan76]

Blasphemous Kidding
:confused:

[Omega Alpha]

X-factor is trying to repower mutants, Quicksilver can repower mutants, sinister is a genetic scientist tinkering with mutant DNA, easy enough to see possible storyconnections.

Quicksilver and Sinister team-up? Cool!:cool:

[Beast]

Quicksilver and Sinister team-up? Cool!:cool:
Why not. Quicksilver couldn't get more villainous if he tried.

[Zombienorthstar]

Why not. Quicksilver couldn't get more villainous if he tried.

Im salivating for the moment he pops on Mags helmet ala Ultimate X-Men.

[Mariah]

Why not. Quicksilver couldn't get more villainous if he tried.
Sure he could. But I dont' find his actions villainous, I just find them to be selfish, and self serving, but he's convinced himself that he's doing them for the right reasons.

[Beast]

Sure he could. But I dont' find his actions villainous, I just find them to be selfish, and self serving, but he's convinced himself that he's doing them for the right reasons.
Isn't that pretty much the definition of most good villains? ;)

[Brian M.]

Who's name calling? I'm pointing out the obvious and using "you" in a non-specific way. But since you're obviously trying to start something, just read my sig, I haven't the time to bother with you.

Your pretty defensive while tossing out little snide comments. Don't get up in arms b/c your favorite character is as significant as the clapper is to modern day households.

[Zombienorthstar]

Why not. Quicksilver couldn't get more villainous if he tried.

How about axe murdering a bunch of orphaned puppies and kittens while a bunch of maladjusted, malnourished eight year olds are forced to watch?

...

Just keeping things in perspective.

[Beast]

How about axe murdering a bunch of orphaned puppies and kittens while a bunch of maladjusted, malnourished eight year olds are forced to watch?

...

Just keeping things in perspective.
That isn't really villainous, that's just psychotic. ;)

[Zombienorthstar]

That isn't really villainous, that's just psychotic. ;)

vil·lain·y (vĭl'ə-nē)
n. pl. vil·lain·ies

1) Baseness of mind or character.
2) Viciousness of conduct or action.
3) A treacherous or vicious act.

[Beast]

vil·lain·y (vĭl'ə-nē)
n. pl. vil·lain·ies

1) Baseness of mind or character.
2) Viciousness of conduct or action.
3) A treacherous or vicious act.
We're talking about Comic Book villains you realize.

[Mariah]

Isn't that pretty much the definition of most good villains? ;)
No, I'd say misunderstood characters, noble causes, and all.

[Polarity]

Exactly. And we're also going to see the Ex-Mutants team show up, which could possibly be involved in the big crossover as well. Still hoping to see Dani Moonstar and Jubilee on that team. :)

Jubilee will be in New Warriors with Speedball and who knows who else.

[The Purple Skull]

So if you were put in charge of putting the crossover together, how would you do it? What books would you use? And how many issues of each book?

Here's the format I would use

Double-Sized One-Shot Prologue Issue

2 issues each from:
Uncanny X-Men
X-Men
New X-Men
X-Factor
New Excalibur
Cable/Deadpool

Double-Sized One-Shot Finale Issue

I took a Seven Soliders/Annihilation approach to it. I decided to leave Wolverine out because he'd probably appear in most of the other books. So his book would make it redundant. And I left Astonishing X-Men out for obvious reasons.

[Canemacar]

Your pretty defensive while tossing out little snide comments. Don't get up in arms b/c your favorite character is as significant as the clapper is to modern day households.

And that defensiveness wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with how you were(and are) acting like a complete jackass both here and in X-Cres, now would it? :rolleyes:

And I find it funny that you're giving me crap about insults I haven't even made all the while trying to insult my favorite character. Get over yourself.

[Omega Alpha]

So if you were put in charge of putting the crossover together, how would you do it? What books would you use? And how many issues of each book?

Here's the format I would use

Double-Sized One-Shot Prologue Issue

2 issues each from:
Uncanny X-Men
X-Men
New X-Men
X-Factor
New Excalibur
Cable/Deadpool

Double-Sized One-Shot Finale Issue

I took a Seven Soliders/Annihilation approach to it. I decided to leave Wolverine out because he'd probably appear in most of the other books. So his book would make it redundant. And I left Astonishing X-Men out for obvious reasons.

I would simply had them being completely independent or almost of each other, like "The Fall of the Mutants".

[blackphoenix]

This crossover is also supposed to have an effect on the greater Marvel Universe according to Carey.


Gosh, where have I heard that one before? :evilsmile

PLEASE, no more events! I am so tired of this crap.

[Beast]

Jubilee will be in New Warriors with Speedball and who knows who else.
That's not been confirmed anywhere. Especially since Speedball is in New Thunderbolts.

[xgeek52]

i second that motion black phoenix...

by the by where did you get the avatar i want it...if you can send it to the xcress thread i'd appreciate it...

[Hi-Fi]

Road To The Crossover

march:
Astonishing X-Men #21: Unstoppable Part 3
Uncanny X-Men #484: The Rise and Fall of The Sh'iar Empire Part 10
X-Men #197: Condition Critical Part 1
Cable & Deadpool #38: Cable Vs The Mummudrai. Tie-in with X-Men
New X-Men #36: Mercury Rising Part 4
X-Factor #17: MAD Part 1
New Excalibur #18: Battle For Eternity Part 1

april
Astonishing X-Men #22: Unstoppable Part 4
Uncanny X-Men #485: The Rise and Fall of the Sh'iar Empire Part 11
X-Men #198: Condition Critical Part 2
Cable & Deadpool #39: Cable status. Tie-in with X-Men
New X-Men #37: Top-Secret arc Part 1
X-Factor #18: MAD Part 2 (??)
New Excalibur #19: Battle For Eternity Part 2

may:
Astonishing X-Men #23: Unstoppable Part 5
Uncanny X-Men #486: The Rise and Fall of the Sh'iar Empire Part 12
X-Men #199: Condition Critical Part 3
Cable & Deadpool #40: Unfinished Business. New Deadpool Status
New X-Men #38: Top-Secret arc Part 2
X-Factor #19: ?????
New Excalibur #20: Battle For Eternity Part 3

june:
Astonishing X-Men #24: Unstoppable Part 6
Uncanny X-Men #487: X-Men back to Earth?
X-Men #200: Double-Sized Issue. Shake-up Arc Part 1
Cable & Deadpool #41: Unfinished Business. New Deadpool Status
New X-Men #39: Top-Secret arc Part 3
X-Factor #20: ?????
New Excalibur #21: Battle For Eternity Part 4

july:
Astonishing X-Men #25: Joss Farewell Issue.
Uncanny X-Men #488: X-Men back to Earth? Dealing with Post-CW World?
X-Men #201: Shake-up Arc Part 2
Cable & Deadpool #42: ????
New X-Men #40: Top-Secret arc Part 4
X-Factor #21: ?????
New Excalibur #22: Battle For Eternity Part 5

august:
Uncanny X-Men #489: ?????
X-Men #202: Shake-up Arc Part 3
Cable & Deadpool #43: ????
New X-Men #41: Top-Secret arc Part 5 (last part acording to Chris Yost)
X-Factor #21: ?????
New Excalibur #23: Battle For Eternity Part 6

september:
Uncanny X-Men #489: ?????
X-Men #203: ?????
Cable & Deadpool #44: ????
New X-Men #42: Big X-Over
X-Factor #21: ?????
New Excalibur #24: Battle For Eternity Part 7


So if I did that right, the big X-Crossover should start only in sepetmber.

[Beast]

Road To The Crossover

march:
Astonishing X-Men #21: Unstoppable Part 3
Uncanny X-Men #484: The Rise and Fall of The Sh'iar Empire Part 10
X-Men #197: Condition Critical Part 1
Cable & Deadpool #38: Cable Vs The Mummudrai. Tie-in with X-Men
New X-Men #36: Mercury Rising Part 4
X-Factor #17: MAD Part 1
New Excalibur #18: Battle For Eternity Part 1

april
Astonishing X-Men #22: Unstoppable Part 4
Uncanny X-Men #485: The Rise and Fall of the Sh'iar Empire Part 11
X-Men #198: Condition Critical Part 2
Cable & Deadpool #39: Cable status. Tie-in with X-Men
New X-Men #37: Top-Secret arc Part 1
X-Factor #18: MAD Part 2 (??)
New Excalibur #19: Battle For Eternity Part 2

may:
Astonishing X-Men #23: Unstoppable Part 5
Uncanny X-Men #486: The Rise and Fall of the Sh'iar Empire Part 12
X-Men #199: Condition Critical Part 3
Cable & Deadpool #40: Unfinished Business. New Deadpool Status
New X-Men #38: Top-Secret arc Part 2
X-Factor #19: ?????
New Excalibur #20: Battle For Eternity Part 3

june:
Astonishing X-Men #24: Unstoppable Part 6
Uncanny X-Men #487: X-Men back to Earth?
X-Men #200: Double-Sized Issue. Shake-up Arc Part 1
Cable & Deadpool #41: Unfinished Business. New Deadpool Status
New X-Men #39: Top-Secret arc Part 3
X-Factor #20: ?????
New Excalibur #21: Battle For Eternity Part 4

july:
Astonishing X-Men #25: Joss Farewell Issue.
Uncanny X-Men #488: X-Men back to Earth? Dealing with Post-CW World?
X-Men #201: Shake-up Arc Part 2
Cable & Deadpool #42: ????
New X-Men #40: Top-Secret arc Part 4
X-Factor #21: ?????
New Excalibur #22: Battle For Eternity Part 5

august:
Uncanny X-Men #489: ?????
X-Men #202: Shake-up Arc Part 3
Cable & Deadpool #43: ????
New X-Men #41: Top-Secret arc Part 5 (last part acording to Chris Yost)
X-Factor #21: ?????
New Excalibur #23: Battle For Eternity Part 6

september:
Uncanny X-Men #489: ?????
X-Men #203: ?????
Cable & Deadpool #44: ????
New X-Men #42: Big X-Over
X-Factor #21: ?????
New Excalibur #24: Battle For Eternity Part 7


So if I did that right, the big X-Crossover should start only in sepetmber.
I think it's amusing you expect Astonishing to be on time for the next few months. :D

Also there won't be an issue #25 persay. Whedon's hinted that it's going to be an Annual that wraps up his run.

[Hi-Fi]

I think it's amusing you expect Astonishing to be on time for the next few months. :D

Also there won't be an issue #25 persay. Whedon's hinted that it's going to be an Annual that wraps up his run.

Well, Astonishing has at least 2 months before the crossover to be late.:D

And I read in some interview that #25 would be the last issue, not #24. Can't remember where, though.

Also, isn't Summer during june, july and august up there on the north?

[caney]

For some reason, I thought the arc starting at X-men #200 was going to start up the whole crossover.

[Beast]

Well, Astonishing has at least 2 months before the crossover to be late.:D

And I read in some interview that #25 would be the last issue, not #24. Can't remember where, though.

Also, isn't Summer during june, july and august up there on the north?
Well, what he said is that he's doing 25 issues total. And he also talked about an Annual. So I'm assuming that it's 24 regular issues and then the Annual as a wrap-up to his run.

[Hi-Fi]

For some reason, I thought the arc starting at X-men #200 was going to start up the whole crossover.

I thought so too. But then I realize it didn't marry with the New X-Men info we've got.

So I looked around and found this Carey quote:

the annual has one crucial reveal in it (related to M-day) that’s going to be very relevant for the arc that starts in #200. And that arc in turn sets up some stuff that will have a wider importance.

[caney]

I thought so too. But then I realize it didn't marry with the New X-Men info we've got.

So I looked around and found this Carey quote:

Ok, cool. So maybe the arc starting up at X-men #200 is more of a prologue for the big X-over.

[Joe Zool]

Gah, I can't stand all this teasing and suspense! I wish we knew more about this X-over; hopefully X-Men 200 will provide some solid clues.

In any event, I've waited a looong time for this, so I'm very happy right now. :)

[Beast]

If the reveal in the Annual is what everyone has been wondering, I definatly can see it being very important. Remember, it was said way back when House of M/Decimation happened that we'd eventually get the answer if this would also spell the end of mutant births. Since the X-Gene has been utterly removed in those who have been depowered, perhaps it's been removed from humanity as well. So the only way to ensure mutant births is between two X-Gene positive individuals. Even a mutant/baseline couple might not even pass on an X-Gene.

Either that or they'll deal with and explain the massive boom in mutant births that occured over the run of the X-Books, especially leading upto and including Morrison's run. If it was someone tampering like High Evolutionary, Mr. Sinister, or Dark Beast... that could explain why the X-Men for the most part weren't depowered but others were. Who knows. Either way, it's something that is going to cause some major shake-ups. Can't wait. :)

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

I'm just starting to get back into X-Men and this has excited me. And according to Wikipedia, the final issue of Whedon & Cassaday's run will not be Astonishing X-Men #25 nor an Annual (sorta), it will be Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men #1. Link....... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astonishing_X-Men)

[edit] "Giant Size Astonishing X-Men"
According to Marvel's Daily Bugle, Whedon and Cassaday will conclude their run on Astonishing X-Men with Giant Size Astonishing X-Men #1, however it has yet to be revealed whether the story will be connected to the Unstoppable storyline or be a stand alone story.

[ToxicTeen]

I'm really curious on the whole "X-Crossover" event. I'm hoping it will involve:


The Decimation being undone
An all out X-Men brawl against new and/or old baddies
Conflicts within the X-men teams(And this goes for the New X-men after what's been going down for them)

[Hi-Fi]

The Decimation being undone
I think some mutants will be repowered. Not everybody, though.

An all out X-Men brawl against new and/or old baddies
Here's hoping!

Conflicts within the X-men teams(And this goes for the New X-men after what's been going down for them)
I'd love that.

[Faded]

I'm really curious on the whole "X-Crossover" event. I'm hoping it will involve:


The Decimation being undone
An all out X-Men brawl against new and/or old baddies
Conflicts within the X-men teams(And this goes for the New X-men after what's been going down for them)


Good stuff! And down with the faux-mutants!

[Mikl C]

Decimation can't be undone! X-factor says the world will go boom!

[Wild Card13]

I would love to see the "mutant energies" return to earth-but I would like to see them empower the wrong people. Not only do people switch powers, but some poor saps that've been sapiens their whole lives end up empowered.

[Tobias March]

Faded cool Bachalo avatar! :D

Ugh - no more Collective stories please, the last one barely made any sense.

[Brett P]

I would love to see the "mutant energies" return to earth-but I would like to see them empower the wrong people. Not only do people switch powers, but some poor saps that've been sapiens their whole lives end up empowered.


They already returned to earth months ago in New Avengers, after somehow being harnessed by an anergy absorbing mutant, led by the dominant personality of "Xorn" to Genosha where the energies were bestowed upon Magneto. (And oh yeh weren't half of Alpha Flight killed along the way?)

Really.

[Wild Card13]

I know that they did, but then Sentry went and threw them into the sun. So they're not on Earth at the moment.

[Beast]

I know that they did, but then Sentry went and threw them into the sun. So they're not on Earth at the moment.
If and when the collective arc is picked up, it will likely involve the Void. Who was also thrown into the sun sometime before this point. I doubt it will focus on mutants at all.

[Zombienorthstar]

God, the Sentry is fond of the sun ain't he? Do you think he zips up there to throw the Avenger's rubbish in every week...?

[Hi-Fi]

Mike Carey says:

yeah, X-Factor are going to be part of the crossover and there will be interaction between the teams - or at least between some members of the teams.

Story structure will run across all four of the books that are involved in the story - Uncanny, X-Men, New X-Men and X-Factor.

The #200-#204 arc is part of the lead-in rather than part of the crossover itself.

I can't fricking wait!

[Brett P]

God, the Sentry is fond of the sun ain't he? Do you think he zips up there to throw the Avenger's rubbish in every week...?

LMAO!

Mike Carey says:



I can't fricking wait!

I'm most excited that New X-Men is playing a big part. I wonder if this means Astonishing will be ending or going on hiatus?

I personally think Astonishing should end and the characters should be spread between X-Men and Uncanny.

[Red Lotus]

Sinister as the bad guy.
Gambit returned to normal.
Collective the guy was a mutant right.
the death of Vulcan.
Professor Xavier to stay depowered and to leave the team.(hopefully in a casket)
The return of Marrow, Red Lotus, the Dark Beast, and Petra.
And finally the reintroducing(can you be reintroduce if you only had one appearance) of Siphon.

[rwsmith]

Mike Carey says:

So if this crossover starts with X-men #205, then that won't be until next November. I thought this thing was happening in the summer?

[Blackcat]

So it will not include the Astonishing series and New Excalibur, huh?

I hope some old faces like Sunspot, T-Bird III, Lifeguard, Cecilia Reyes and Red Lotus will show up as well.

[Joe Zool]

Mike Carey says:



I can't fricking wait!


That sounds good!


It makes sense to take Astonishing out of the equation, with its "schedule."

[rwsmith]

That sounds good!


It makes sense to take Astonishing out of the equation, with its "schedule."

I wonder if Wolverine or the Astonishing team will be a part of it at all? Seems like with Cable and Sinister playing big roles you'd have to have Cyclops in there, right?

[kate-pryde]

It would make sense if the last Whedon/Cassaday Astonishing served as the lead-in to the crossover. The beginning of this crisis could be introduced in Astonishing 24 and then go into the crossover. You'd assume Marvel would want to including the top selling X-book and trying to get readers who only pick-up Astonishing to start reading other X-books.

Astonishing could even be part of the crossover, especially if a writer like Jeph Loeb could took over, and an artist who can work faster than Cassaday. Loeb might be a little too busy right now, since he's writing quite a few comics and working on a tv show, but he does have experience with these type of X-events.

[Red Lotus]

I wonder if Wolverine or the Astonishing team will be a part of it at all? Seems like with Cable and Sinister playing big roles you'd have to have Cyclops in there, right?

Will there still be an Astonishing.

I think Cyclops and most of the team will be in the big X-over. They really dont need to use AXM book if there still is one to have that team play a big role.

[Beast]

Will there still be an Astonishing.

I think Cyclops and most of the team will be in the big X-over. They really dont need to use AXM book if there still is one to have that team play a big role.
Yes. We just don't know the creative team yet. It's probably going to work like Astonishing did for Whedon. Ignore pretty much everything but what is going on in your own book. But I agree, we'll see the Astonishing cast in the other X-Books. Somewhat like Beast's regular cameos in Adjectiveless. :)

[Flameworthy]

Mike Carey says:



I can't fricking wait!

So New Excalibur's not going to be part of it at all then?

I was really wanting to see Dazzler meet up with her old teammates (well at least the ones that are still on the team.)

[tetragene]

So New Excalibur's not going to be part of it at all then?

I was really wanting to see Dazzler meet up with her old teammates (well at least the ones that are still on the team.)

Same here--but we haven't gotten any interaction like that since she emerged from the Seige Perilous :/ I mean--Psylocke's gotten a new body and died and been revived, Colossus has died and been revived, Rogue "lost" her powers then regained them and is now leading an x-team, Storm has gotten married, Havok was lost in an alternate world. There's a lot of ground to cover with some of these people she formed friendships with that hasn't even been touched on. Which her former good friendship with Storm from her solo series was completely neglected in Uncanny X-Men, so I guess this shouldn't be surprising. I would LOVE to see Rogue and Dazzler interact again--it's been a long time. I'd also like to see how Dazz feels about the fact that her so called friends stopped searching for her until she popped back up again in X-Men #10, and then after that they pretty much left her to rot in Mojoworld and never offered any help until after EoD...

[Brett P]

Hey Tetragene, didn't you used to be at Raven/Haven of Apocalypse?

I can see New Excalibur ending after Claremonts upcoming 7 part arc...

[Hi-Fi]

I can see New Excalibur ending after Claremonts upcoming 7 part arc...

I get that impression as well.

[Blackcat]

I still fell they should have kept the Genosha Excalibur series instead of this 'New' version. The characters of Genoshas Excalibur were very interesting.

Now the only one left of that team is Karima. All others like Hub, Wicket, Freakshow, Book, Callisto and Dark Beast are now depowered or in Limbo

[Beast]

I still fell they should have kept the Genosha Excalibur series instead of this 'New' version. The characters of Genoshas Excalibur were very interesting.

Now the only one left of that team is Karima. All others like Hub, Wicket, Freakshow, Book, Callisto and Dark Beast are now depowered or in Limbo
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